169. Natalie Lefevre: How to Find the Toxins Blocking Your Body's Ability to Heal

You can do the supplements, the IVs, the sauna, the clean eating, and the wellness routine, but if your body is still being exposed to toxins every day, you may be cleaning up a mess while the tap is still running. That is what makes toxic load so frustrating. It can hide in your water, food, air, dental work, travel habits, mold exposure, heavy metals, PFAS, pesticides, microplastics, and even the products you use daily, while standard labs never show the full picture. In this episode of Extend, I sit down with Natalie Lefevre to talk about how to outsmart toxins by testing first, removing what is actually there, and choosing the right protocol instead of guessing your way through another cleanse. We get into the rare labs and diagnostics that can reveal hidden toxic load, why not all toxin tests or blood cleanse methods work the same way, how biological dentistry can uncover inflammation that regular dental X-rays miss, and why detox has to become a lifestyle if you want your body to actually heal instead of constantly cleaning up the same exposures. Natalie Lefevre is a Vitality Expert, Detox Architect, and the visionary behind Purify, the first next-generation full-body blood cleanse protocol focused on identifying and removing toxins at the root. After recovering from a near-fatal health crisis linked to environmental toxin exposure, she dedicated her work to advanced rare labs, heavy metals, blood filtration methods, inflammation pathways, cellular function, and precision-based detox strategies, making her one of the most forward-thinking voices in root-cause toxin testing and detoxification. What's Discussed: (01:59) How standard medicine missed Natalie's near-fatal toxic exposure. (05:02) Why we are living in the "red zone," not the blue zone. (06:30) The hidden toxins most people never test for. (11:58) How old dental work can quietly drive inflammation. (15:19) Why your genetics can change how your body handles toxins. (17:41) The detox mistake people make with saunas and binders. (30:43) Why not all blood cleanse protocols remove the same toxins. Thank You to Our Sponsors: IM8: Try IM8 today with a 30-day money back guarantee. You can get 10% off your first order with code DRSHAH at im8health.com/discount/DRSHAH https://im8health.com/discount/DRSHAH. Timeline: Timeline powered by Mitopure just dropped the price. Check it out at timeline.com/drshah http://timeline.com/drshah and get an additional 20% off your first month with code DRSHAH. Learn more about Dr. Darshan Shah: Website: drshah.com https://www.drshah.com/ Clinic: next-health.com https://www.next-health.com/ Instagram: darshanshahmd https://www.instagram.com/darshanshahmd Learn more about Natalie Lefevre: Instagram: @island_natalie https://www.instagram.com/island_natalie/ Website: natalielefevre.com/ https://natalielefevre.com/

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• 0:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Welcome to Extend with me, Dr. Darshan Shah, a podcast dedicated to cutting-edge science, research, tools, and protocols designed to help you extend your health span. Having become one of the youngest doctors in the country at the age of 21, and trained and board-certified at the Mayo Clinic, I've accumulated three decades of practice as a board-certified surgeon and longevity expert. Over that time, I've discovered that a mere 20% of health knowledge yields 80% of the results when it comes to your health span. We're living in a new era where we are creating a new healthcare system, no longer focused on disease management, but achieving optimal health and vitality. Join me as I interview world-renowned experts, offering you a step-by-step guide to proactively avoid disease, and most importantly, extend your health span.

• 0:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Today, we're joined by Natalie Lefevre, a health strategist and advocate for precision detection in health. Natalie shares her powerful personal journey of being misdiagnosed and discovering hidden toxins, which led her to search the world for cutting-edge labs and diagnostics. We're going to dive deep into the red zone we live in, exploring environmental toxins, the critical role of biological dentistry, and the often overlooked importance of genetic testing, like Intelex and other practical steps in becoming the CEO of your own health. Get ready to uncover the hidden dangers and proactive strategies for true wellbeing.

• 1:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Natalie, I'm so honored that you came here to be on my podcast. Thank you for doing this.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm so excited to be here because we've been friends for so long and got into all this kind of stuff together around the same time. And I'm so excited to see where our paths are heading and what we're all learning.

• 1:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right? I mean, it's such an incredible journey that we've both been on. And obviously, I've been following yours and all the things that you're talking about is such an important topic. It has been not talked about enough in medicine for decades. And thank you for bringing this to the forefront of people's attention. And hopefully, more and more people make this.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  A priority.

• 2:05Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Conversation, a priority, right? Exactly. Because this really, really is. So I'd love for the audience to hear a little bit about your journey and how you got to this place. You want to fill us in?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, of course. Well, I was misdiagnosed about 18 years ago, exposed to a lot of environmental toxins, which I didn't realize at the time. I was in the hospital, couple of rounds of antibiotics didn't work. I almost died. I mean, it was a serious, it just kept going to all the other organs. So it was basic, massive chronic inflammation. My bucket was full and that scared me. I was in the hospital six weeks, so I got serious about my health, became the CEO of my life, started reading, doing all the diets, made all the mistakes. So it's been an 18-year journey. And I was in Munich at the time with the best doctor. He's still my quarterback, but you know, he learned the traditional medicine system and he didn't find a lot of my toxins. So I started digging and I kept digging and that's how I got here.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  And I realized there are so many hidden toxins and there's the right labs and the wrong labs and not all labs are equal. And so many things, when you have that full bucket, can cause chaos and signaling to go off and pathways can get more technical, but basically just, you know, be the downturn of your life and your health and the quality of your life. I had no symptoms, by the way. I'm like a warrior that way. So it was really the labs that started waking me up and I just kept digging. And I've, since then, I've searched the world for rare, cutting-edge labs that can help me improve the quality of my life, as well as my audience, my clients.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  And I help these labs kind of come to fruition and cross the borders and boundaries of the globe so that we can help improve awareness on precision detection of different labs and diagnostics to help people heal.

• 3:55Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, no, that's fantastic. And I think, you know, just to double-click on what you're saying around labs, so the audience knows why this is such a struggle, is that traditional toxin testing is very hard to find, right? And we use a test right now called the Total Tox Test by Vibrant America. It's a urine test, right? And I really want to dive deeper so people understand, like, what's available, what you have to go looking for, and what does it really mean when you look at some of these labs? But I think this is a problem because in traditional medicine, you know, unless you like watch episodes of Doctor House, you never Really, really ever consider toxic exposure as the cause of symptoms or disease, right?

• 4:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It's just, there's other causes that we consider that we measure for very routinely.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But toxin labs, I mean, you know, I went to medical school, 25 years of working in the hospital.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  You even ask a test for a toxin, it's extremely hard to find the labs to do it, right? As traditional sources. And it's getting a little bit more in the forefront of people's attention, but you know, I think you and I probably live in an echo chamber where we hear this all the time.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And most people don't even know this exists, right?

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:05Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So I can't wait to dive in more about that, but I want to hear first from you, like, what are these hidden dangers? Why do you call them hidden dangers and what are they?

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Well, I believe that we live in a toxic soup. We live in the red zone. I, we both know Dan Buettner, he talks about the blue zone, but that's not where we live right now. So how do we be proactive about making sure that our bucket's not full? Where do we look? I agree with you, the Vibrant Labs Total Toxins Test, I think is one of the best. And what viewers need to understand is there's such a variety of toxins. So how do we really find them? There's mold, mycotoxins, which is kind of, I call it the poop of the mold. Environmental toxins, which is a lot more PFAS, forever chemicals, microplastics. So we are not growing up like our parents, grandparents did. There's a lot of pesticides. I, I learned over 50,000 different type of pesticides, heavy metals.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  And when you go to your regular doctor and they do these labs, they, they don't really see that.

• 6:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  No, never.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  So you've got to be proactive. I've searched the world and you know, biological dentistry, uh, doing a CD, uh, 3D cone beam scan versus an X-ray, which is what you do at your regular dentist, cannot find the same inflammation which you can get from, you know, having done your wisdom teeth and you think you're fine, or you did a root canal. Well, that's like a dead carcass in your mouth. And a lot of people who have disease or cancer can be related to, you know, which tooth, which meridian or organ it's connected to. And so this is a dirty place. Our skin is, you know, the number one way to, to enter as a toxin. And it's been a crazy ride. I did an amazing test called the Rantius,

• 6:50Speaker 01

  which looks for inflammation that can go into your bone, because if you have an infection here, it can leak into the bone, into the blood. So I've done, I've done that. I did the total toxins.

• 7:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. What was the test? A ran- what?

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Rant, yes. R A N T J E S. I did it with a really incredible doctor, Schick, in Munich, Germany. He's a biological dentist. And that was when I first realized, oh, my gosh, something's going on on the hidden layer that my regular doctor would never find. And so I dug in there and I did have a root canal and underneath the root canal, an infection was growing. I didn't even realize that was the thing.

• 7:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  You didn't feel that you had no symptoms, nothing?

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Nothing. I had no symptoms. I had nothing.

• 7:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And is this a blood test or is this an X-ray?

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Yes, it's a, it's a blood test.

• 7:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It's a blood test. And it specifically looks for inflammation?

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Near bones or in bones?

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Yes, correct. And, and not many people do it. I've, I've visited so many doctors globally and many incredible clinics. And so I love learning all these new technologies and labs that people do to run, kind of go deeper.

• 7:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  And for me, it, you know, really, I, I was elevated. I did need cavitations. So I did all four of my cavitations. And then there's really a great way to do biological dentistry where the person will prep you a day before with a great vitamin IV cocktail, vitamins, glutathione, high dose vitamin C. Be sure you don't have the G6 PD gene because then you can't have too much high dose vitamin C. So I think precision medicine is where we're going. Everybody's really unique. I do, you know, I do say detox is a lifestyle. I also think we're at a time where everything is in excess. So like, get this IV, do, do these supplements. I think it's a lot more about what are we taking out of the body versus what are we putting in?

• 8:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  And making sure that we don't over stimulate the body with peptides, with supplements we don't really need. So maybe, you know, coming back to letting our body naturally heal to be in that homeostasis, knowing your genetics.

• 8:57Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  The right kind of lab for your genetics. There's some with a hundred snips, some with 600 snips, some with 950. I love Intel X DNA. They really do a deep dive. You know, you do it once in your life. You guys invest in cars, vacations, that amazing birthday. This is, this is a test we all need to invest into because insurance doesn't cover it. And, uh, and, and having the mindset, oh, if it's not covered, I'm good. I think that's very dangerous, a dangerous choice. So, so doing a super high-end Intellex DNA or thousand SNPs, understanding your DNA, then your epigenetics, you know, your lifestyle, what's going on there, to get your baseline

• 9:41Speaker 01

  is very key in, in starting and understanding your blueprint. And people need to wake up and be the CEO of their life because it's more important than being a mom, being, being a doctor, being anything, you, you are the most important thing because your body is your temple. So that's, uh, that's where I started, probably at some point. I found a lot of my environmental toxins, super high heavy metals. I was a pescatarian. That was a mistake. Okay. I was a big, you know, loved salmon. Well, that's, you know, when we eat out at these restaurants, there's seed oils, a lot of the fish is full of toxins. I grew up in the Seychelles Islands, which is, you know, famous honeymoon destination

• 10:25Speaker 01

  in the Indian Ocean. And I remember my law, my stepdad's a lawyer and we got these classified documents where they checked the fish back then when I was 18. And I remember being just blown away that the tuna had super high heavy metal. So ever since I'm 18, I don't touch tuna. And I knew that. And I remember thinking to myself, wow, we're all the way in the middle of the Indian Ocean, seven degrees below the equator. How is the tuna here full of toxins? Right. But the ocean is connected through these pathways. So it all moves. Sure. And we have, you know, a bigger problem now in our oceans with microplastics. It's already being found in, in the brain, in the blood. Yeah.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  So this stuff travels and I must admit, I don't eat as much fish. I don't touch sushi because parasites, you know, so we all, you know, if you've got, if you've got a pulse, you got parasites. We all need to do a parasite cleanse once a year, be proactive. And as long as we know what we're doing to be proactive, we can live a great, healthy life. But we need, we need to be aware that we're living in the red zone, not the blue zone.

• 11:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, yeah, I like that red zone.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Definitely like it feels like that some days for sure.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  It is. We're traveling, we're flying, there's radiation in the planes. You know, the water that we're drinking, don't drink that coffee on the plane. Cause that water that they're using, it's not the best.

• 11:54Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh yeah, it's probably the worst water you can make coffee. Can we, can we talk about dentistry again, just real quick? So I just want to give people, you know, you said a lot of things, there's a lot to do.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  And I could tell you even more.

• 12:05Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, let's go through each one, one at a time, just so we can give people some actionable steps. So with the oral cavity, we know we have an oral microbiome. And the oral microbiome can be healthy or unhealthy. That's one piece of it. The second piece of it too, is that we have gums and the gums get gingivitis and inflammation. And then the bone of the teeth also get inflammation as well.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And the way dentistry has been practiced up till now is that they will do a root canal, for example, right? And like you said, like when you do a root canal, it does leave some dead bone in its place. And that causes inflammation and that chronic inflammation in your mouth is the root cause of, and not just in your mouth, anywhere in your body, chronic inflammation can be a root cause of many diseases.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Like Alzheimer's, cardiovascular disease.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Neurological issues.

• 12:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Cancer, neurological, yeah, all of it, right? And it all starts off with like symptoms of like brain fog and tiredness and weakness.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And so I think that's an often ignored piece of the puzzle is what's going on in your oral cavity, right?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 13:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. And so, you know, you mentioned biological dentistry. And so this is a new kind of specialized dentistry, right? When people are suffering with like. Symptoms that they don't know what it is.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 13:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Sometimes through a series of appointments, they finally meet someone functional. And the functional person says, go to the biologic dentist and try and see if that helps.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Is that kind of how you got found the biological dentist?

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, I mean, I just kept digging and I really tell all my clients and everyone, get a 3D cone beam scan. Go to your biological dentist. Don't trust the X-ray from the dentist. I met a lady, she has a book this full, she has cancer patients where she can relate it back to the exact tooth. I remember when I went to go fix my front tooth, I met this lady. She was 25 years old and she had massive problems under her eyes and had to take medication. She had a massive inflammation from her cavitation from an old root canal that was 10, 15 years earlier. But you don't feel it, but you may have sorts of, you know, symptoms or illness developing from it. And we shouldn't medicate it. Let's treat it from the root cause.

• 14:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right, right.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  So yes, I think biological dentistry is, is a must. I think that's where we're headed. I also, we should be aware of Spirochetes. There's something called Spirochetes.

• 14:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Tell us about that.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  In our mouth. Um, so you can take, like, sometimes I swish with an oregano oil to make sure that that is very clean. And Spirochetes can lead to neurological or cognitive decline over time. So, yeah, a lot of-

• 14:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Spirochetes are a different type of microorganism. I honestly don't know much about them. I learned about them in medical school, probably.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 14:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Microbiology years ago. So I, I have not heard about Spirochetes in the oral cavity.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So interesting.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  We're flushing, me and my sister got into that now. We're flushed, you know, you go through phases and you're like, huh, really? Oh, that too? So don't get overwhelmed.

• 15:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  I feel like everybody comes to me and says, Natalie, where do I start? Oh my God, it feels like so much. I think no matter what you do, just get started. Like, start somewhere.

• 15:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, exactly.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Start somewhere and then just go in phases. Like, go in phases. I think definitely your genetics, your microbiome-

• 15:19Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Genetics, again, real quick, like, you're very adamant that people should get their genetics done, right? And we are in a place now that we, you know, I think genetics was a way- Overblown concept for a long time, like, you know, the nineteen eighties, everyone was like, oh, this is the key. Like, we sequence the DNA and we will cure every disease. Turns out that didn't happen, right?

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And so I think some people are just very, um, number one, they're fearful of getting their genetics tested.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 15:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Find a risk factor for something.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Yes, they're like, I'd rather not do it because I don't know what I'll find. And I'm like, you should be scared about what you find when you're too late. Cause then you're too late. Now you can fix it. Cancer is only a disease when you find it too late. When you're ahead of the game, you could do so much.

• 16:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right, right. And so getting your DNA sequence can tell you, you said SNPs. SNPs are individual segments of DNA, single nucleotide polymorphisms that tell us what you're at risk for, right?

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And so like, you know, one common one is methylation SNPs.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:18Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And there's many in that kind of pathway of methylation. MTHFR is one of them. But if you have a methylation problem, you can't use vitamins effectively, can't activate them. That's just one example, but there's also examples of SNPs for different types of toxins, right?

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  If, like, for example, these are detoxed SNPs. Like, how well is your liver functioning?

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  To detoxify you, because you might be at risk. Like, a small dose of toxin can really cause you to get sick if your liver doesn't work right.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And there's so much we can do in prevention. Like, if you have the MTHFR, you have some of these things, just add a B, you know, a multivitamin B. If you've got an issue and you can't detox as well, which I have, I go to the sauna. I do that, I try to do that three to four times a week. Take a toxin binder, secret, you guys, take a toxin binder thirty to forty minutes before you go into the sauna. Because something has to catch that to move it out of your body. Eating healthy and just doing things right is not enough. You've got to take something that binds the toxin. And then there's different types of toxin binders for different types of toxins that we have to take that and flush it out of the body. Do that, take us, you know, do the sauna, sweating is great.

• 17:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Right? So there's simple solutions of maintenance if we just know where our weakness and imbalances lie.

• 17:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, I think, you know, diving a little bit into the physiology a little bit more will give people some context because when you go into a sauna, what's happening is the heat is causing the toxins that are accumulating in your organs to basically come out of the organs and go into the bloodstream, right? And so you're saying if you take a binder, that binder will catch these toxins in the bloodstream and cause you to eliminate them through your liver or your kidney, right?

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 18:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So what are these binders that people can take? What are they called?

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Well, there are so many different ones. So you've got EDTA, different type of clays. Then you've got the the classic stuff like the wormwood, oregano oil. You know, the in Seychelles, we have so many great plants, which I actually do and my father, you know, being an islander, we have so many secret plants that you can take, like even moringa.

• 18:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  I always get all these different plants, like mango leaves, all these different things. And what else? We've got the IVs, phosphatidylcholine, which is also great and supportive. Yeah, what else? I do so many different.

• 18:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Is there a particular brand or name of one that you take before you do a sauna particularly? What is that one?

• 18:47Speaker 01

  I love Quicksilver Scientific. They have liposomal, really great liquids or pills or powders. Then I take as well Global Healing Institute. I take from them, you know, I take up some of their bacteria in the morning probiotica. There's microbial detox, toxin binders that I love. And I try to be very proactive in what I'm doing to help support my gut and the pathways, especially when you're traveling, to help move and to flush things. Yeah, and a lot of water, a lot of water hydrate. So many of us are dehydrated. We need to add like a good kind of salt that doesn't have too many heavy metals in it,

• 19:31Speaker 01

  hydration to help flush that out of your body. And I love what you said and how you explained it as the amazing doctor you are. So saunas really work because it's a theme of hypothermia.

• 19:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  And in Europe, because I'm half German, I live in Germany, hypothermia has existed. As a solution to help detox or, I mean, think about it. The natural thing that happens when we get sick is our fever goes up. So our body goes into a natural state of a hypothermia to help us heal and flush things out of the body. And we're going to talk about the blood cleanse later. But there's a mechanism where they add the blood cleanse with a light hypothermia, bringing your body to a thirty nine degree temperature to help that stuff flush out of the tissues into the blood. And then you clean the blood and get more out through elevating your body temperature.

• 20:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Makes total sense, right?

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• 21:35Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And then, you know, let's go back down the rabbit hole of some of these toxins because, you know, I think it's overwhelming for people. And when I try to tell people like,

• 21:43Speaker 01

  It was for me too in the beginning.

• 21:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, it's not, it's not a simple topic.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  But the good thing is you and I've done this like, well, you've done it much longer than me and I've done it like ten years. And then we can dumb it down for them in two minutes.

• 21:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, yeah, I think there's different areas that you said, like you have the. Pesticides, PFOS, and forever chemicals. You have all these different kind of like categorization of toxins. What I try to tell people is that even though there's a bunch of different categories of toxins, the idea here is the same things kind of help you detox from all of them, right?

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:16Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So, and I, sometimes I'm hesitant to use the word detox because it's been used so, I would say irresponsibly with like these detox cleanse juices and things like that.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 22:27Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And really, like, if you bring it to the medical aspect of detoxification, using therapies like plasma freezers or filtration, like that's a real detox. But the key is to avoid toxins in the first place, right?

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 22:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right? It's all about avoidance because it doesn't matter how much you detox. If you keep filling your bucket, like you say.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  You're never gonna catch up, right?

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Detox is a lifestyle. I've, I've done it. I did a blood cleanse. I think the first one I did was a plasma aphorisis in Munich. And then, you know, five, six months later, I had a bunch of stuff back up there. And I was like, oh dang, but I like chocolate, so my cadmium was back up. And arsenic is hidden in rice or, you know, now I saw Fiji water also has arsenic.

• 23:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, it does.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  So it's hidden in all these different things. We don't think about it and you're retoxin.

• 23:16Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Retoxin for sure. Exactly. And that's the big problem, right? Is, is you have to stop the ingestion of toxins so you don't have to keep detoxing afterwards, right?

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So, you know, the way I like to always talk about it is try to make it more simple for people by, what are the biggest categories of toxic exposure that people are blind to that are hidden? Like, can you give people some advice around that?

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Of course. I mean, of course, it's in the air, in the water. So number one, check your water. I think right now what, what most clean is probably, you know, Icelandic is the best. Voss, and then there's another great company that's from Aquifer in Austria. It's expensive, but they send you wherever you are. It's like a membership. It's called Hallesstein Water or Spring Mountain Valley. But they're really, they're okay, but you know, it's all right.

• 24:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But don't they come in plastic bottles or does that come in glass?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Glass, all of them in glass. You gotta do glass if you can.

• 24:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But I read a study that the glass bottle water, because of the cap has plastic in it. That has a lot of microplastics. Yeah, yeah. I'm a big, what do you think about reverse osmosis water that's re-mineralized and just drinking out of a glass bottle?

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I think that's, that is one of the best things. You need, you need a water filter, reverse osmosis. Some people say, though, it's dead water.

• 24:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Re-re-mineralized. So, you know, there's also the energy. And I believe that a lot also that people don't talk about is the signaling, the energy.

• 24:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  You know, I think a lot of, a lot of healthy stuff in life is free. The most important things are sleep, light, that first light that into your eyes. Not having too much SPF, not wearing the sunglasses, having that light. We are electromagnetic beings.

• 24:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  We need that light. But yeah, I think, you know, I think water, water is one of the big ones. How do we keep our body in the natural energy state? So bringing that energetic water back to us. But if you can't, this is the best way.

• 25:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  For me now, I also, you know, I, I sometimes do need a Starbucks. I know Starbucks is not ideal. But I'll, I'll, I travel with my own container.

• 25:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  So that I don't have them put it hot into that paper slash plastic cup that I'm ingesting. And it's hard when you're traveling to bring your water. So just try to drink as much water as you can before you get on the plane. Drink out of glass bottles. You know, just do your best and, and, and have a detox protocol. Travel with your toxin binders. Make sure you do your sauna and, you know, I.

• 25:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Get it all out?

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Go all out and, and, and, and also, one thing I say is, don't worry. Stop worrying because emotional toxins are real. If we are constantly in this mindset of, oh, my God, oh, my God, is that, what am I eating? And feeling guilty and all these things are emotions.

• 26:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  I just got back from a, I call it my brain, brain training. I did bio-syber not for a week and we went 12 hours all in every day for seven days. So tapping into the subconscious versus the conscious, because thoughts matter. Thoughts can make you sick, but they can also heal you.

• 26:19Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  So that whole concept of Joe Dispenza is real.

• 26:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  And if you, if you're worrying, your organs, you know, your liver is anger, your spleen is worry. Your lungs are grief and sadness. You were able to be aware of the fact that my father passed away almost two years ago. He had, surprise, stage four cancer. He was very proactive. He had his doctors on WhatsApp. He went every four to five months and did his regular labs. And they didn't find his cancer. Hmm. And so I had to let him go and it was a big, big change in my life. Most difficult thing I've had to face. And, and then I learned how to turn the grief into gratitude. Yeah. I learned what to be, what to focus on, because where focus goes, energy flows.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  So being thankful and grateful versus what was taken from me, what I lost and how unfair it was. And, you know, and how do we get these emotional toxins out? Mm-hmm. So I did a lot of screaming. I did a lot of crying and it's okay. Because think about it, when you're a baby, it's safe to do these things and express yourself. And I think nowadays, we're just holding so much in. Yeah. And trying to keep it together and be so strong and be that mom and be that amazing, you know, business person. And, and we go through a lot of stuff and we need to get those emotional toxins out too. And I know I was that person that worried a lot.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  And, and ever since my daddy passed away, I just, I've chosen not to worry so much. And it's changed. Fun fact, so I also think some people should do a full body MRI. Mm-hmm. Because blood labs won't tell you if you've got cancer growing or tumor. I think, you know, there's not accurate, there's no accurate lab yet that we can trust to do a check for cancer at stage zero, one, two, three. The Grail is outdated. It's based on a CTC concept. Mm-hmm. Um, I recently found an incredible lab that has a four-year successful clinical trial. They're going to be coming out soon. I'd love to share it with you. You should have Next Health carry it. Hmm. It's a pathways test.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  So it'll show you where you're dysregulated, which happens over time based on the inflammation or the toxins. And it'll show you, am I a candidate for stage zero or one or two cancer to develop in the future? Hmm. So this guy, this company is incredible. And I went and did the test and, and so I'm helping them scale. And I wish we'd

• 28:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So it's like a cancer risk test?

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Based on genetics or?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Based on your pathways.

• 28:55Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, okay. Your genetic pathways or?

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:57Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. Oh, okay. Interesting.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Correct. And they look at your stem cell in the V cell.

• 29:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Because they've realized that things start coming, they start growing earlier in the stem cell. And that's when the miscommunication starts happening.

• 29:13Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  So if we are aware of our pathway that's dysregulated in five to 10 years, then you can be proactive. And cancer is really only a dangerous disease when you find it too late.

• 29:24Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  But if you find it early, you're good to go. You know, there's things you can do and change and detox. So I'm really excited about that test.

• 29:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I also believe a lot of us have, you know, dysregulated mitochondria. It's all in the blood. It's all in the mitochondria. So there's a great test called MeScreen. If you don't yet have it, actually, I should introduce you to the

• 29:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  We have it.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  You probably have it.

• 29:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, the founder's a great friend of mine. I was like, I've been waiting for a mitochondrial

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  test forever. And I think they have the best science behind it. So it's exciting to have that one. Yes.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Yes. So you're, you're always at the cutting edge, which is, which is why I really love you.

• 29:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Well, I think that, you know, like, like, like you said at the beginning, like these tests are, they're so in the background and people don't know about them. And they're not accessible to people. And one of the biggest reasons we started Nexel was to make this accessible for people, you know?

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:13Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And look, like, right now, all these things are a little bit on the expensive side. But I think with time, the prices keep going down. We've seen it in every aspect of medicine. More and more people will be able to access these

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:24Dr. Darshan Shah?

  these tests.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  But we can also change the narrative on that. That, that MeScreen test is only like five, 600 bucks, I think. You're happy to spend that money to go out and buy champagne for your birthday. You're happy to spend that money on a vacation. Let's reframe the mindset, like, choose you first. Choose your priorities in the right order because it's about your quality of life. Do you want to suffer later on in life? Do you want to go earlier? There's other options and we can be, we can make those decisions.

• 30:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, the suffering costs a lot more money, especially if you're having to have medical bills and not being productive, all of those things for sure.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hi, Dr. Shaw here. I want to take a minute to talk to you about cellular health. So in my clinics, I've actually seen 30-year-old people with cells that look like they're pushing retirement. And I've also seen 60-year-olds with cells that look like they're 40 years old. So what's the difference? It's really about how fast their telomeres are breaking down. Your cells, you see, are like phones, and they have limited cellphone battery. Poor sleep, stress, processed foods, all of these things can drain that battery way faster than it should. So this is the reason why I partnered with IM-8. IM-8 powers that cellular battery. It's not just another multivitamin. It's a comprehensive 92-ingredient formula designed specifically for cellular health and longevity.

• 31:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I'm talking 900mg of vitamin C. That's like 20 oranges worth of DNA protection. The clinical dose of CoQ10 that you need to power your cellular engine. You also get zinc, selenium, vitamin E, alpha lipoic acid. All of these work synergistically for cellular repair and protecting your telomeres. So instead of taking a handful of pills every day and all these supplements, IM-8 actually gives you everything that you need in one scientifically formulated system. And this isn't just a theory anymore. IM-8 had partnered with Oxford University, the International Space Station, San Francisco Research Institute, and they've done studies, and they've gotten this NSF certified to truly power your health.

• 32:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Most people are aging twice as fast as they should, unfortunately. You don't have to be one of them. Try IM-8. I actually have a discount secured for you if you go to drshah.com/Im8 or go to im8health.com/discount/drschah and you can get 20% off with my discount code, DrShah. You can also find the link below.

• 32:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And you travel the world, like you're seeking out not just testing, but also therapies out there, right? And so I'm curious, you know, you, you, you've talked a lot about some of the therapies that you've done.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Can you tell us more about these, specifically around detoxification?

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Yes, of course. So I think when I first started out, you know, you, you could do so many daily detox liquids, but you can't really move the needle if you have a very full bucket and so many different things.

• 33:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  So I went into the blood cleanse. Some people call me now the blood cleanse lady because I've focused on different variety of blood cleanse. I've done them all. I haven't done the TPE yet, and I don't think I want to yet. I know that the therapeutic plasma exchange is super hype, and I know that's what you support, and a lot of the big biohackers in the industry have done it. And I think it's great if you have a super high toxic load and you just don't have that year to two years to invest on a daily detox to get there. You need a quicker solution. You need to bring that inflammation down. So that one is great for people who, you know, are really also on the verge of, of transforming into disease and have like super high toxic loads.

• 34:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep. And it's also useful for other things too. Like it brings down very high LPLA levels, very high familial hypercholesterolemia levels. It also can help with autoimmune diseases as well because it removes immune globulin complexes as well. So I, I think plasma exchange is one of those treatments that is very applicable to many different things, including toxins. But I think there's different versions now just for toxin removal as well.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Such as of these filtration devices that you've, and none of these are approved in the United States yet. So I know you travel the world doing these things, right? So maybe you can give people some of the things you've tried.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  What are some of the filters you've worked with?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  So I've tried the plasma apheresis, which is where you take your plasma out, but your own plasma comes back in. Then you've got the enospheresis, which is a slightly different, but similar mechanism out of Switzerland. They are in, in Europe and in UAE. And what I've gone all in on, which really changed my labs is the hemoperfusion, which is a full body blood cleanse. So they don't go in through the arm, which cleans your plasma. It goes in through your femoral vein, which we were talking about doing with Next Health with you guys in Dubai. And and that one has a resin absorber. So it works with more microbeads, which can take out smaller nanoparticles of toxins because each toxin has a certain size.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  So some are larger, some are smaller, and the filtration or the filter is more the plasma apheresis kind of version. So this one with the resin takes out PFAS, forever chemicals. It got rid of my Epstein-Barr virus, so autoimmune, helps with long COVID. I had my sister do it. Her brain fog cleared during the session. All these apheresis are usually two to three hours. Hours does two rounds of cleaning based on your body weight. So it flushes your whole body in two rounds. And then again, if you're super toxic, you may still have stuff in the tissues. So you may need to come back for a round two and clean another another load. Also, very important, you guys make sure that you get an IV replenish afterwards

• 36:14Speaker 01

  because some people I see are making that mistake. And they're not they're not proactive about putting the good minerals and metals back into your body. So yeah, we've we've we've got the Purify. We're opening in Cancun. And in Dubai and Abu Dhabi in a hospital setting because it goes in through the femoral vein. It just, you know, it's just a little peaks in that vein with an anesthesiologist. It's quite easy. I've done two rounds. It completely changed my labs and what my issues were. I have PCV, which is polycytemia vera, which is a JAK2, which I overproduce, you know, blood in the bone marrow. And sometimes it gets sticky and clotting. So it gets rid of that stickiness and I

• 36:56Speaker 01

  can replenish and reflush. It gets rid of like cholesterol, different stuff that's attached to your proteins. And yeah, cytokines, inflammation markers also gets rid of barbiturates. So anybody who's actually, you know, had drug issues in the past, it gets rid of it. I know a gentleman. Man who put his wife in it and she had chemo for a year. She did the hemoperfusion, purify, full body cleanse afterwards. She kept all her hair. So this got rid of the chemo toxins, which is also great. So it's for, we need to distinguish what these are all for to really get rid of. And like we were talking earlier, you know, some people say, especially certain influencers. Oh, it's a blood cleanse. It gets rid of everything.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  It doesn't get rid of everything. Each blood cleanse, each filter, each filtration, each absorber technology.

• 37:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  Gets rid of different, unique things.

• 37:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  It doesn't get rid of, it's not a one fits all. And like mold still sticks around. You've got to do a daily detox with some liquids to be proactive about getting rid of your mold. Cause as you said, it hangs out in the, in the organs. And so there's, there's a lot of deep dive protocols into where do we start? In what order do we detox? What can we do with daily detox? And then where and what filter do we start with? With the filtration, blood cleanse systems? And how many do we do in what order? And then don't retox.

• 38:24Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  So you do need someone directing you and guiding you to do it right.

• 38:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, I, I fully agree with that. I think, you know, sequencing it that way is also really important. Where you find the source of the toxins with some advanced testing. So you at least know what to avoid, right?

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Avoiding is step one. Step two then is doing these daily activities. Some of them are lifestyles, some of them maybe some supplements. Sauna therapy, as, as we all know and talk a lot about. And then thirdly, if all that is not working, then you start looking into some of these more advanced therapies. Like filtration technologies or plasma exchange. And then lastly, it's, there's never like a one time intervention. This is a constant, this is a lifestyle, right?

• 39:09Speaker 01

  It's a lifestyle.

• 39:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  To consider. You know, you, you mentioned earlier about Parkinson's, right? And there's a big study that came out about Parkinson's and golf courses. Do you want to talk about that?

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I saw that. I, I send that to all my. My friends who are big golfers and they don't want to listen to me. But hey, you know, the best thing I can do is do my part and help them wake up. A lot of the lawn is sprayed and it's very, very toxic. And as I shared with you, my mother was misdiagnosed, so she has Alzheimer. And I realized she has Parkinson's, she's shaking. And it's research proven, it's environmental toxins. And the good news is that there are things we can do. You know, I think about so many people ask me, Natalie, how did you get into this? And I'm like, I just didn't give up. And I kept believing that there are solutions out there. I just need to find that needle in the haystack. And I have, my mom, um, my mom has environmental toxins.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  I dug deeper when I saw the research, it was true. She had mold mycotoxins. I can't give her the blood cleanse because she's, you know, she, her disease is a little progressed. So she's not going to sit through a three hour procedure. But there are people that are healing people with, with Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. And you can, you just need to do a couple of flushes and replenish and flush. Another amazing thing I did is I got her stem cells. There's also the right and the wrong kind of stem cells, the right and the wrong kind of muse. Or exosomes and muse cells, right? So I got her muse stem cells. I did the nebulizer, which can cross the brain barrier. That didn't really work. But I was like, hmm, I'm going to still go deeper.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  So I got seven vials of muse exosomes, took them to the Seychelles where she lives. Prepared it with the liquid, took the needle off. And I took like a chunk in the syringe. And I said, Mama, this is a nasal spray, come on, sniff it up. And she did it. And she goes, two in this nostril, two in that nostril. I did it one day on, one day off over a period of 14 days. And my mom is back. So this thing that we believe in the old, in the old days, that we can't heal certain cancers or Parkinson's or Alzheimer's, no, we can. And if you have that attitude, you can attract that to you. So my mom now can express her feelings. She can tell me this is too hot.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  This is too cold. Where is my sweater? She picked up a candle the other day, read it and said geranium, that's not mine. And I literally just looked at her and the carer was there and I'm like, I haven't seen her read something in a year. So her cognitive improvement is up. She's back to telling me how to drive. Don't let that guy cut in line, you know? So I'm like, I'll take all the, I'll take all the, the, she's, she's got a strong German Bavarian character. And, and I'm like, I'll take it. So I'm really excited. I'm gonna continue on what I can do to improve her inflammation in the brain. I've also ordered her a Weber laser. So putting that Weber laser in the right kinda rays and laser, um, you know, certain

• 42:17Speaker 01

  wavelengths have been shown and tested to prove inflammation in the brain. So, um, you know, laser technol, red laser, red bed, med bed, all that stuff is also real. Just make sure you get the right quality.

• 42:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  But it's very exciting. So I'll, I'm, I'm happy to share more with you as, as her journey progresses and she improves, but I'm, I'm, I'm, it's a miracle.

• 42:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Uh, I love it.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  It's a miracle.

• 42:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I love it. Natalie, this is so informative. Um, thank you so much for sharing your stories.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 42:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And like living on the cutting edge of what's out there.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And actually trying it and telling people about it.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I want to add in there for Next Health. Not all IVs are the same and you guys do it really well.

• 42:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, thank you.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  That, that lady that I, I, I know my stuff and I questioned her and she knew her stuff. Not all IVs are the same, not all the quality of IVs that we put drips in, in not the right vitamin C, all that.

• 43:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  You guys do it right. So also pay attention to the quality of the IVs that you let people put in your body.

• 43:15Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, and also the tubing they use, you know, people are getting microplastics in the tubing and we use only D E T P free tubing. And, you know, you have to have people that are really, um, making sure all the Ts are crossed and Is are dotted on, on these treatments for sure.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  Quality, quality is key.

• 43:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Quality is key. Thank you so much.

• 43:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you Natalie. Yes. Where can people learn more from you?

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Well, they, they can find me on Instagram on Island Natalie. And then I also have a podcast there on Instagram, Only Legacy Life, L Y F E. The website is Natalie Lefevre, L E F E V R E dot com. And I always personally reply and yeah, would love to talk and help you find those hidden toxins.

• 43:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you so much.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 44:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Here are my top five learnings with Natalie Lefevre. Number one, seek deep dive diagnostics beyond conventional tests. Traditional labs often miss hidden toxins and inflammation. Invest in advanced tests. For example, the 3D cone beam scan for your dental health, genetic sequencing, and specialized total toxin panels to uncover your unique health blueprint. Number two, address dental health as a root cause for other systemic issues. Chronic inflammation from old root canals or cavitations lead to systemic diseases, even like Alzheimer's. Consult a biologic dentist and get what's called a 3D cone beam scan to identify and address these often symptomless oral infections.

• 44:47Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Number three, implement proactive detox and toxin binders in saunas. Living in a red zone of toxins requires active detoxification. Taking a toxin binder 30 to 40 minutes before a sauna session can help flush out mobilized toxins and support your liver and kidneys. Number four, understand your genetic predispositions so you can target prevention. Genetic tests like MTHFR that are SNPs indicate how well your body detoxifies. Knowing these allows for personalized preventative measures, such as specific supplements or lifestyle changes, before issues arise. Number five, prioritize emotional detoxification for holistic well-being.

• 45:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Emotional toxins like worry, grief, and anger significantly impact physical health. Actively processing these emotions through practices like screaming, or crying, or gratitude prevent them from manifesting as physical illness.

• 45:47Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you so much for listening to the podcast today. Please remember to subscribe if you liked this episode, and give us a good review and share a link with your friends. It really helps to support all of our efforts. I also want to remind you that the information shared on this podcast is for educational purposes only and is not intended to replace professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Please consult with your Your healthcare provider or physician before making any decisions or taking any action based on what you hear today, especially if you have any underlying health conditions or on any medications. Your doctor knows your personal health situation the best, and it's always important to seek their guidance.