369. Answering your biggest 20s dilemmas ft. the listeners

In our final guest episode for the year, we're hearing from the listeners! I asked you all to call in with the biggest dilemmas you've had in your 20s; questions you want answered, or just situations where you may have been desperate for advice and you answered the call! We answer 7 of your most burning questions, including: How do I end a friendship in my 20s How do I get my life back after an ex How do I deal with disappointing my family How do I feel at home in a new city How do I deal with someone who doesn't like me? Listen now for all the psychological advice and wisdom you need during this decade. ORDER MY BOOK https://www.psychologyofyour20s.com/copy-of-book Follow Jemma on Instagram: @jemmasbeg https://www.instagram.com/jemmasbeg/?hl=en# Follow the podcast on Instagram: @thatpsychologypodcast https://www.instagram.com/thatpsychologypodcast/?hl=en# For business: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] The Psychology of your 20s is not a substitute for professional mental health help. If you are struggling, distressed or require personalised advice, please reach out to your doctor or a licensed psychologist. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:08Jemma Sbeg?

  Hello, everybody. I'm Jen Misspeak and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties, the podcast where we talk through the biggest changes, moments and transitions of our twenties and what they mean for our psychology.

• 3:28Jemma Sbeg?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the podcast, new listeners, old listeners, wherever you are in the world. It is so great to have you here back for another episode as we, of course, break down the psychology of our twenties. It is that time of year again. If you have been listening all of December, you'll know it is guest month, where I just bring on interesting, cool, exciting people, experts. Yeah, whoever I really feel interested in talking to, to, yeah, talk about their lives and talk about what they're passionate about and their interests. And so far, it's been going amazing. And I feel like we've had some really cool conversations, but

• 4:10Jemma Sbeg?

  our most precious, amazing guest is coming on today, and that is you guys, that is you all, the listeners of the podcast. Every year I do one episode like this where I call out for you guys to send in your questions and your queries and your dilemmas as voice notes so that you can be featured on the podcast. And today is that day. We had over

• 4:37Jemma Sbeg?

  I don't know, I think like a hundred of you, yeah, voicemail me, call in to the podcast, uh, to be included, but I chose just seven questions today to really deep dive into. So I hope you enjoy and thank you to all of you who contributed. Whether you're featured or not, it was great, honestly, just getting to hear your voices and being like, wow, look at all these cool people that are like, that are listening to my podcast and that wanna be involved. And that's just like exciting and all your different accents and like, yeah, just different voices. It was like the coolest thing ever. So without further ado, let's get into it, starting with this first question.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  Hi Gemma. So I just moved back to my hometown in the north of Spain. I've been living the past nine years in Madrid. I studied there, worked there, have all my friends there. And now I have encountered the situation that I moved back to my hometown. And I actually have to create a social life for myself there. And honestly, I don't really know how to do it. I have a couple of friends. They don't really seem to be that close anymore. I feel like I have to reveal social connections, but in a way and in a place where I should have them. So it's very confusing, let alone the fact of moving back home with your parents after being

• 6:04Speaker 03

  uh, on your own for nine years. That's definitely taken it to all of my mental health. Thank you. I love your podcast.

• 6:11Jemma Sbeg?

  Thank you for your question. This is a much more common experience than I think people realize. Moving back home to the places of our childhood to live with our parents after college or after a breakup or just, you know, when things go wrong and when, when things go right is actually something that I'm hearing about and seeing a lot of my friends more and more. It does put us in a really weird position though, and I feel like this listener described it perfectly, where you come back to this environment where you assume that things might be the same, where you assume you'll have friends and you don't, and you have to rebuild what was once there and what you had previously. And the thing is, there's no guidebook, no one teaches us this, there's no like intro to friendship course.

• 6:55Jemma Sbeg?

  There's just this assumption that you meet people and they like you and you like them and it works out well and you have enough contact that you develop a friendship. We all know there are less opportunities for that anyways. Meeting people through convenient means like school and like classes and like hobbies and work are like some of the only ways to do that. And when you don't have school anymore, when it's kind of harder to fit in your hobbies with work, when you work remotely, like it becomes a lot more difficult. So my advice to you would be this, it's so great you already have friends there, probably I'm assuming, like you said, from childhood, don't rely on them too heavily.

• 7:37Jemma Sbeg?

  Obviously, stay in contact, but consider them to just be like this amazing social safety net that you can go and talk to about this, but also that you need to expand out beyond. Get as in person as possible, do things that you feel almost embarrassed about or that are gonna be a little bit weird and do them alone as a way to meet new people. And sometimes to have that desperation, like really force you to interact with people you might not otherwise have. So what I mean by that is I need you to be going to pub nights, choir nights, pottery

• 8:18Jemma Sbeg?

  classes, I need you to be going to lecture nights, especially if they're free, like events at the local library, bars, trivia nights, like things like that by yourself or by inviting people that you might not know that well, with like just giving them the invitation and being like, hey, would you wanna do this? Yes or no? Being the instigator, I talk about this so much on my episodes about friendship, but being the instigator like is a role that isn't filled in our society as much anymore, but everybody is craving somebody who will do it. Everybody wants the friend who's gonna plan the group trips, who is going to make sure you have Wednesday night plans, make sure

• 9:02Jemma Sbeg?

  you have Friday night plans. If you do not have that, be that, be the one who like puts their heart on the line to make community for others. And people will just flock to you. Like it's seriously, it's magnetic. How many people are looking for somebody like that in their life? The other thing I would say that you should do is, I think I talked about this in like an episode I did on moving to London. Another thing I think you should do, and I said this, and I talked about this on my episode about moving to London. Um, ask to be set up with friends of friends. Ask if there are people that you know who know people in that area, who they think you would like. And just do so like unabashedly and unashamedly, be like, hey, I like your friend Mark.

• 9:47Jemma Sbeg?

  Like, do you think he'd ever wanna hang out with me, like platonically? Hey, I like your friend Rebecca, like, can we do something all together? Making those connections through other connections, like seeing humanity and friendship, like the chain link that it is, is, is so valuable. And also, this is unrelated, but entirely related. Know that time is sometimes the most significant factor. When we look at what makes people friends, yes, similarity is important. Convenience is important, trust is important, time is the biggest factor. You know, Dunbar's number dictates the amount of hours you have to put into a friend or into an acquaintance for them to become a friend.

• 10:32Jemma Sbeg?

  It's, it's somewhere like two hundred hours. And you can look at that mountain in front of you and be like, how am I possibly gonna do this, especially with multiple people? And then one day you'll be at the top of the mountain being like, wow, we did that and we are so close and we have a great relationship. Because we prioritize each other and because we took the small moments that we had and just like ran with them. And because we compounded um our friendship and our interest in each other over time, so. Good luck. I'm sure it's gonna be amazing and hopefully I get an update from you in a couple of months' time. Being like, hey, I'm feeling a lot better about this, so, yeah. Okay, who are we gonna hear from next? Let's listen to this one here.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  Hi Gemma, um, so I just got out of a three year relationship. And I'm realizing that I centered my entire identity around him and his parents. And um all my time and energy kind of went into his goals for our life. So I guess my question is, how do I go back to my own roots? And figure out what I want from this life and from my twenties. Um, and I just wanted to say thank you Gemma on behalf of all of your listeners. Um, I think I re-listened to the.

• 11:54Speaker 04

  Episode where you talked about when you know it's time to walk away or when to know, how to know when it's time to walk away about ten times. Before I did walk away, but um.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  You have changed my life and we just wanna encourage you and please keep doing what you're doing.

• 12:13Jemma Sbeg?

  Oh, that's so sweet. They always make me, I always feel so embarrassed, but I appreciate, I appreciate the love. And I'm just gonna say, I am so excited for you. And maybe that's not what you wanna hear, but oh my god, I am so excited for you. And for this next chapter and how fricking amazing it's gonna end up being. One of my best friends is going through a breakup right now. I gave her that same advice. Breakups, especially with someone you've been with for a while, are chaotic and deeply painful and. Sometimes the, the grief and the guilt and all of that tangles up together and feels inescapable. It's also just like such fertile ground for growth.

• 12:56Jemma Sbeg?

  You've already lost this relationship. Sometimes it feels like what else do I have to lose? So you're just like so much more. Exper- uh, you have so much more room for experimentation with your life. And because you're just so in touch with who you are because you're not distracted by having this partner. You're not distracted by dating, you're so in your own head and you're in your own thoughts about your feelings. What is gonna come next often appears to you very rapidly. And in like great moments of inspiration, like genuinely that is how this podcast started, was after a breakup because.

• 13:32Jemma Sbeg?

  It's just like every emotion is on the surface. You're able to intuitively feel them better. And you're also keen to do something with your energy and with your time. So I am super excited for you. I honestly think it's gonna be great. My advice for reclaiming your life back now that you've dissented this, this man or this person and, and his family, and it sounds like all of his friends as well, is to just firstly, reconnect with your old friends, be completely honest and say, hey, I'm sorry, like, that relationship took a lot from me and I, you know, wanna say I'm not the person, or didn't think I was gonna be the person that that happened to, but it did. And if you have me back in your life, um,

• 14:15Jemma Sbeg?

  I'd be very grateful. Be very earnest with your feelings towards old friendships. And then similar to the advice I gave to the last listener, just hobby your life to the max. I wanna see a full calendar. Some people say like distraction after a breakup is just avoidance. No, it's not. It's completely not. It's a healthy coping mechanism. You are taking your pain and I want you to be putting it into all different avenues. Anything that you've ever thought you might like or that you wanted to explore, now is your chance because you just have so much free time. You're just such an, an open soul and, and an open wound. There's so much gushing out that like,

• 14:58Jemma Sbeg?

  it's just gonna ignite so many fires and it's just gonna be honestly pretty wonderful and spectacular what you end up discovering about yourself. I will also say, read, read, read, or listen to podcasts, listen to audiobooks. But some of the times, like the best way to find yourself is by discovering how other people did it and hearing their stories of how they became passionate about something and how they discovered the narrative of their life and how they, you know, came back from hard circumstances, like, taking yourself out of your mind and out of your circumstances and seeing other people's lives and what they've done with them can be deeply inspirational and I think also gives you some of that

• 15:43Jemma Sbeg?

  emotional distance. From the breakup that we need when we're in those like early days of healing. So we don't feel like this is all that life is. So I keep saying this, best of luck, like I'm rooting for you. We have so many episodes on this, by the way. We just did one recently on de-centering romance in your twenties that I think you personally would really enjoy. So yeah, there's so much, so much advice I could give. I'm gonna keep it small and simple. Hobby your life up, earnestly re-approach friends, read, engage with material beyond your circumstances. And beyond your breakup and just know that you freaking got this and it's gonna be amazing, even if it's not great right now.

• 16:26Jemma Sbeg?

  All right, let's move on to our next question.

• 16:29Speaker 05

  Hi there. I wanted to ask your opinion on navigating people not liking you in your twenties. Whether it's jealousy or your personalities clash, I think this is an experience many people go through. But when it is happening to you, you feel really alone and like it's only ever happened to you. I know you've made past episodes about the fear of being perceived and how friendships can change or end. But I'm talking about specifically when people are purposely mean and hateful towards you. What skills you can use to process those emotions and move forward from it? The feeling of being misunderstood by others and judged by others and how not to let that shake your core

• 17:11Speaker 05

  or kind of send you into this very, very big spiral. I just find that a lot of episodes are very, very good to relate to. But when people are purposely mean in life, it's not perceiving them to be like that. It's a real experience. So I, I would just ask your opinion on how to navigate that, how not to become consumed by people's negativity towards you or being misunderstood. And how to just move forward from it all and not be held down by the weight of it. Thank you.

• 17:49Jemma Sbeg?

  Oh, I love this question. I love this question because it's been something I've been thinking about a lot. And I love that you made that distinction. It's not perception, this is actually happening. I've had this happen a bit recently with just like some online hate that I've been getting, which I have this theory that if like you reach a certain level of followers or a certain level of listeners, like there's, that's when like people just come and they find you and they wanna bring you down. And they wanna be not just critical, cause criticism is actually something I enjoy and that I do respond, respond to. I was gonna say respond well to, I don't, but I do try and respond better to.

• 18:32Jemma Sbeg?

  But this kind, it's this kind of person that just like maliciously gets something out of making your day worse and hating on you and ruining your reputation and being hurtful and spiteful. And when I encounter these people, I do this thought exercise that really helps me have not just neutrality, but kindness towards these people. Because really my ambition and my goal is when this happens is to have forgiveness and love towards these people, because I find that that's like the strongest, deepest antidote to them being able to hurt you.

• 19:13Jemma Sbeg?

  And how I do it is I think about the times when I've been in that mindset. When I have been maybe not hateful, I don't think that, I actually really don't think I ever have been hateful. But when I've been angered at somebody, when I've been judgmental of somebody, when I've perhaps gossiped about somebody, when I've been furious at somebody who cut me off. And I think about how the reaction that left on my body and on my heart and on my mind, and it's never been good. It's never been good. It's always left me exhausted, kinda terrified, tired.

• 19:55Jemma Sbeg?

  I, I feel the ugliness in me, right? It's that Roald Dahl quote from the twits, like if you are. You could be the most beautiful person in the world, but if you think terrible, ugly thoughts about others, you'll never be truly beautiful. Meanwhile, like you could be objectively unattractive, but if you think good, positive thoughts, beauty will always like shine out of your face like a million flowers. I'm obviously butchering that quote, but I think about that and I think about how this cruelty and meanness must be manifesting in them to such an intensity that it's able to be projected onto you. And having that empathy also makes me realise this has nothing to do with me.

• 20:38Jemma Sbeg?

  Ninety percent of people's opinions, criticisms, perceptions of you, cruelty towards you is just a real deep reflection of something within them. And I know that's probably advice or things that you hear. You hear that a lot. And then when you really sink into that, like sometimes it just hits when you're like, oh gosh, yeah. Like, they wanna pull me down because to see me succeed would prove everything about them that they don't like. They want to criticize me because I'm friends with somebody else because deeply, they are deeply jealous because they don't feel worthy of friendship in the first place. There's all these like deep psychological cognitive explanations for why people behave like this.

• 21:24Jemma Sbeg?

  Understanding that more is the first step. And the second step is not just to ignore it, is to appreciate it. Take what you can from it and then just let it go. Take what you can from it because sometimes like there is genuine criticism in someone's words, sometimes there's not, but if there is even a nugget of it, that's great. They've given you a gift. The rest of it, you can literally just throw away. Sometimes getting existential and realising how short life is is also really valuable to me. Not just how short life is, but how small each of us is and how small our circumstances are in the broad scheme of things is really valuable to me. And it's not, I don't do it to make myself.

• 22:10Jemma Sbeg?

  Feel bad or feel like I'm overreacting, not at all. I just do it because it gives me perspective. And it allows my center, my emotional orbit, to not be this other person because neither of us really matter that much. Their opinion doesn't really matter about me. Like their opinion of me doesn't really matter. My opinion of them doesn't really matter. And having that kind of detachment almost, and that big picture out of earth experience or perspective, lets you just roll with the punches a little bit more. My final piece of advice on this is like, if you can, I know it's hard if you work with somebody or their family. I'm a big fan of the block button.

• 22:55Jemma Sbeg?

  You know what, like, you just block them. Just don't be part of their life as much as you possibly can. And I know that you're going to think that's going to change how your friends maybe perceive you, especially if you're in a friendship group together or anything like that. But, you know, people make up their own minds about people and they see a lot more than you think they do. And they can tell a lot more than you need to tell them. So let people make their own opinions and own judgments about these people. I'm sure they will definitely come around to the right opinion and see what is happening. Don't try and force them and just do whatever it takes to, yeah, I guess, protect your peace. I hope that's the advice that you were looking for and best of luck.

• 23:40Jemma Sbeg?

  Okay, we're going to take a short break here, but when we return, we have some more listener questions, so stay tuned.

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• 26:56Jemma Sbeg?

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• 28:25Jemma Sbeg?

  Okay, welcome back. Let's listen to some further questions from you guys, the listeners, starting with this next one.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  Hey Gemma, this is a note from London, England. Very excited to have you in the city soon.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  Just really love your podcast and it really, really resonates with so many of my friends and me, especially when we've hit this weird late twenties era, struggling post-COVID and trying to navigate our way through this strange time. One dilemma I had that I'm really struggling with is every year I think that I'm going to get closer to figuring it all out, quote unquote, with my career, with relationships, with money, with what I want to do. And the older I get, the more and more I'm actually feeling like I know less and less. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm struggling to save money because I'm torn between living in a city that's cool versus saving for a house. I don't know whether to travel. I don't

• 29:26Speaker 03

  like my job. I feel so confused and lost. And I'd just like to ask, do you think we ever figure it all out? And what is the best course of action when you genuinely don't know which path in front of you is the right one to take? Thank you.

• 29:45Jemma Sbeg?

  Whoa, big questions. Quite simply, no, I don't think we figure it all out. I also have this deep philosophy that we're not meant to. That when we stop striving, like, what's the point of being here? You know, what's the point of like inhabiting this world and like, and learning more? Like to have all the solutions and to know why it all happens and to have it all figured out and to have the perfect plan and for that plan to be executed, kind of takes all of the fun out of it. Obviously, life's peaks and troughs can be really, really tough sometimes and like a real frickin' struggle. And I'm sure this advice or this perspective is maybe not the

• 30:30Jemma Sbeg?

  one some of you want to hear, but. Really like this is, this is life. Life is actually not the times when it's all going well. It's the times that you struggle and you push through and you have to just trust your instinct and, and trust your desires and just kind of get some battle scars from it all. Like, that's really the proof that you are living. It's definitely difficult when you're like, there's a million fires going right now. Which one do I, which one do I address first? I think you just have to ride the wave and just break it down one at a time. You hate your job. Like, you know what? That can be your focus for six months. Let's get this part of, of life

• 31:13Jemma Sbeg?

  feeling good for now. And maybe that will change, but just making sure that you are taking deliberate actions towards the areas where you feel dissatisfaction is really important so that you don't just feel at the behest of your circumstances. What was the second part of that question as well? Like, how do you know when to make the, what decision to make? What I always go with, cause again, there's no right answer, is I just think about which one I'm gonna regret not doing the most. You know, what is the thing that I'm maybe gonna turn around at seventy, eighty, God willing, and be like, God, I wish I had done that. Can I see myself talking about this opportunity I have now like that?

• 31:58Jemma Sbeg?

  Can I see myself, you know, not traveling and having that thought? Can I see myself, you know, not staying in the city a little bit longer and, and having that thought? Whichever one I have the most like kind of gut reaction of, of, of maybe future regret towards is the one I know that I should do. And you can do pro-cons lists with that as well, but part of like figuring life out as much as you can or making right decisions, it's just getting really clear on what your gut is telling you and really clear on what your values are, what you really wanna, what you really wanna see happen in your li- life in the next five years and what is gonna be aligned with that versus what

• 32:43Jemma Sbeg?

  is gonna detract from that. One more exercise I do that I find really helpful is, my friends actually told me about this and I, I even put it in my book, which is, don't imagine

• 32:55Jemma Sbeg?

  Everything going right. Don't imagine your dream life. Imagine a day in your life in ten, fifteen years. It's a really happy day. And what are you doing? Who are you seeing? Who are you around? Who do you have dinner with? What kind of bed sheets do you wake up on? In what neighbourhood? What about that makes you so happy? What about that future life makes you happy? How can you bring that into your life now? Not just in terms of decisions to get you to that future, but in terms of just like daily feelings of joy. What can you do right now to make this a great moment? That you'll appreciate even if it's not exactly where you wanna be yet. So yeah, that is my advice for that lovely listener.

• 33:39Jemma Sbeg?

  And also thank you for welcoming me to London. I should have addressed that. I really appreciate that. Hopefully I get to meet you at an event soon and we can, we can talk more about it. I feel like I can, I can say a lot more. All right, our next question, here we go.

• 33:55Speaker 06

  Hi Gemma. So my dilemma is how do you deal with evolving friendships? And um, how do you end a friendship in your twenties? So I have a friend that I've known for many, many years. And we were very, very close for a very long time. But over the past couple of years, um, there's been a buildup of some things that have made me think that this is a friendship that no longer serves me. And it's kind of been a combination of the way I've been treated in a few different situations and also the fact that we are leading very different lives from each other. And a lot of the decisions she makes um, go against

• 34:37Speaker 06

  my values and things that I really believe in as a person. And so for that reason, I've been finding it hard to still be friends with her and.

• 34:49Speaker 06

  Anyway, without going to too much detail, this is a friendship that I no longer want in my life. And I'm not really sure how to end it. I have brought up with her a little bit about how I don't agree with some of the things that she's done. And I've asked her not to speak to me about some of the stuff that she's doing because it makes me uncomfortable. And she's been fine about that, but she's also been quite resistant to any suggestion that, hey, maybe we're very different people than we were when we became friends. So how do I kind of move forward?

• 35:23Jemma Sbeg?

  Okay, this is a common dilemma. And I'm gonna be completely honest, it is one that I have definitely had before. And I think I've done the wrong thing. So knowing that, I'm gonna hopefully give you some advice on how to do the right thing. Firstly, the care that you have for your friend despite the fact that you don't wanna be friends with her anymore is really beautiful and shows that you actually probably deserve much better friends. The fact that you're wanting to do this with kindness and with love is just a really big, huge testament to your character. So I want you to know that, just to get that clear off the bat. Um, I'm hearing that you've like tried to have these conversations before.

• 36:05Jemma Sbeg?

  I think that if you are truly committed and truly in your mind, like we are not gonna be friends anymore, you need to sit this friend down and have a huge heart to heart. I have had friendships in the past, not to go into too much detail, because I still have a lot of respect for these people, but that just haven't worked because we were different people. And because we, our characters just weren't aligned, our values weren't aligned, doesn't mean they were bad, doesn't mean they were awful. There were things they did that hurt me that I didn't agree with and probably things that I did as well. The biggest regret I have is that I didn't have the I don't know, courage, grace, knowledge, foresight, to have a sit down conversation with that person and say,

• 36:49Jemma Sbeg?

  "Our friendship has meant so much to me and I really do love you and I care about you." Almost like a breakup, but like, you know, our time has come, our time has come to move on and "I hope you can understand and here are my reasons." And here's your space to talk about maybe probably some of your grievances or some of your reasons. But here is my love on a platter, take it with you, you'll always have it, it's yours to keep. But we need to find a new direction. So I think writing down what's really driving this feeling, being, having the courage to have a sit down chat with her, knowing that you might get a terrible, bad reaction.

• 37:31Jemma Sbeg?

  But also knowing that later down the line, I think she'll, she'll probably appreciate the closure is super important, I think. And if that's not what you want to do, and if there's something else, another different way you want to approach it. Just think, if I was in her shoes, how would I want this situation to be approached? If I, because it sounds like she probably doesn't know that this is coming, but like, if I had this huge character flaw or this part about me that, you know, I wasn't really ready to address and it was going to cost me a friendship. How would I want somebody to approach that in the most honest, kind, gentle way? And that's a, that's a question you have to answer for yourself, but that is the way that you should do it.

• 38:15Jemma Sbeg?

  Good luck. You sound like, you sound like a genuinely lovely person and I'm really sorry that the friendship has ended up this way, but it is unfortunately a part of life and you're handling it with grace. So that's the best we can do. Okay, next question.

• 38:33Speaker 07

  Hi Gemma. So in order for me to ask my question, I just wanna give a little bit of background information and context. Um, I am twenty five, I am married, I'm in my final year of pursuing a di- degree in psychology, I want to pursue a masters. I am very fulfilled in my hobbies and my friendships and the plans that I have for my life. However, my husband and I live in a different country in a different time zone than our family and majority of our friends. And even with all of this and the separation and distance, I still have tremendous eldest daughter guilt. A lot of times, it still feels feels like some comments or some jabs about being far away, not being present for certain things.

• 39:18Speaker 07

  Um, not completely pursuing the ideas that my parents had for me in my life. It it I still feel pressured even though I'm so far away. And I was just hoping that you have any advice that you can give me on this. I loved your episode about how to feel like yourself again and how um to stop seeking external validation. But I was just wondering if you have any practical advice for me. I love your podcast. Um, sincerely a South African that just wants to be a dang psychology psychologist one day.

• 39:54Jemma Sbeg?

  Oh my gosh, I love, firstly, I love your accent. Anytime I hear a South African accent, it always like is so interesting and like crispy to me, like, I don't know, I. Love a South African accent. So what a joy to listen to your question. Elder's daughter guilt.

• 40:12Jemma Sbeg?

  Is real and I have experienced it and so have many of my eldest daughter friends. This is actually a really important stage in life that you would know as somebody studying psychology, that everybody has to go through of like. That what's the priority?

• 40:29Jemma Sbeg?

  Me or the family, individual preferences or obligation, the collective or my own personal kind of ambitions and goals. And based on our conditioning, especially as women and eldest daughters, can feel like choosing any of the left hand options, any of the individual preference, passion, like personal ambition options, like means that you're selfish and means that you are a bad daughter and a bad sister and a bad friend and whatever. And that is just like complete bull crap. Like it's just not true.

• 41:12Jemma Sbeg?

  Life is something that, yes, you need to live within community and you want to be close to your family and friends, but is actually in completely about you and completely about what you are really striving to do and what you really want to do. You, I think, also need to do this for the younger you and also the future you, who is really betting on you having the courage to just stick with what you want to do and just deal with maybe some of the criticism and some of the disappointment a little bit longer to realise a dream and also to realise a future way of living where there will be less guilt about this. You will be more discerning and more able to make the decisions that are best for you and

• 41:55Jemma Sbeg?

  hopefully your family will understand. You know, families always say like, we just want you to be happy. Sometimes it can feel like they don't really, but I think that they do. And just being able to have that conversation with your friends and with your family, just being like, I love you guys. I miss you, but I have to, I have to do this for me and finding ways to stay in touch with them so they still feel a part of your life and not neglected is super, super important. Also, it sounds like the time will come when you can move back closer to your family and when you will be neighborly and you will be close to them and perhaps you're gonna miss this time quite a lot and you're gonna wish that you had seen it out to its full potential. I definitely know like when the time is right, the time is right and you will sense it and you will feel it.

• 42:41Jemma Sbeg?

  And cutting any chapter short early for expectations or what other, you think other people want for you, from you or for factors beyond your own deep desire, um, might leave you with a little bit of regret and wishing that you. Had lived out the rest of that, that period and feeling like the door kind of closed a little bit too early and you're a little bit discombobulated. So I think you're making a great choice by just finishing out, closing out this chapter. Um, make sure that you just like, keep the communication lines open with family that like you love them and you care about them and maybe this is in your future plans, but like right now you need to do this for you and

• 43:21Jemma Sbeg?

  recognize that it's, it's not selfish. It's actually incredibly unselfish for yourself and for future generations. And if you ever want to have kids to really learn and reinforce, and especially you as a psychologist as well, to know that making decisions that are best for you is actually entirely part of life's plan and entirely normal and a really important part of the developmental process that you learn how to, how to do this and how to live beyond the expectations that others have for you. So I hope that advice is helpful and yeah, I could listen to your South African accent all day. It's, there's something about it. I can't, I can't describe it, describe it. It just does something like crunchy and fun

• 44:05Jemma Sbeg?

  to my mind. So best of luck. Okay. We have time for one final question for our listener episode. Here it is.

• 44:15Speaker 07

  Hi. So excited um that you're doing this segment again. So I am a twenty-six-year-old female living in the United States. Um, I don't know if you need that information. But my dilemma is that I'm looking at moving in with my partner and something that scares me so much is like finally moving away from home. And I know not every twenty-something-year-old has that fear. A lot of people just kind of jump and go. But I'm wondering what the psychology or if there's any psychology behind that, like why certain people are scared to move away from home and why certain

• 45:01Speaker 04

  People just can't wait to move away from home. Um, curious to hear your thoughts and hope this helps other people that might be feeling the same way.

• 45:11Jemma Sbeg?

  I actually think this is the best question to end on. Like, I love that we had that parallel of somebody who's like, oh, I'm living away and I, and I feel kind of guilty. And then somebody being like, oh, I really want to move, but I don't know how to process that. Like, and then somebody who has moved back, like, I, that's kind of a coincidence that that happened. I didn't realize that I like chose this theme of like, I, I guess, moving and family, which is something that's heavy on my mind. But anyways, um, thank you for dialing in. Thank you for leaving a call. Another beautiful voice. There is an explanation for this and it's, it's rather complex, but also simple. And I think it really comes down to how we view risk. Um, and our tolerance for uncertainty and our tolerance for new novel experiences. So

• 45:57Jemma Sbeg?

  each of us basically has a risk profile of how tolerant, how comfortable we feel with things that are scary and things that are new. We have risk-loving, risk averse, risk neutral. Risk-loving, that describes the kind of person you talked about who was like, cool, I turned seventeen, I'm, I'm turned eighteen, I'm out of here. I'm not, I don't have a plan. I don't even have a plane ticket. I don't even have a suitcase, but I know I want to go somewhere. These are the people who are like, like you just, I admire them so much. Like they're always on the road. They're always ready to make new choices. One of my friends, Gracie, is like that, and I just think she's so cool. Uh, it's not who I am. I think I'm more risk neutral. I can kind of take it or leave it.

• 46:39Jemma Sbeg?

  Um, and it sounds like you might be a little bit risk averse in this situation. The, the fear factor and, you know, some of the discomfort of change just weighs on you a little bit more heavy. There's nothing wrong with that. It's actually completely normal. That's just how you are. And you're probably trying to be a bit more conscious and think about this a little bit more and make sure that's the right decision. And I think that that's actually a sign that it is. The fact that you are thinking about it so deeply, the fact that you are so in, invested in ensuring that, you know, this is going to work out with your partner is beautiful. I'm not going to lie and say that moving away from your family

• 47:18Jemma Sbeg?

  is going to be necessarily the easiest thing in the world, especially since you've been there for so long, like twenty something years. It might not be better, it's just gonna be different and it's just going to be an incredible time. Don't focus so much on the downsides, really keep your vision on the positives. Stocking your pantry, getting to decorate your home with the person that you love. Getting to be naked on your couch whenever you wanna be, getting to just make it your own and make it like, you know how your parents created a great home for you and one that you love and

• 48:02Jemma Sbeg?

  being able to create that for yourself and for you and your partner's little family and if you get pets and when friends come over, like, it's just such a beautiful young adult feeling that I'm so excited for you to have. When there are har- hard times, just make sure you have rituals that maybe tie you back to the comforts that you really enjoyed about living with your family and that were really amazing about being close to them. Make sure you've got those recipes for those home-cooked meals so that you can make that for you even, you know, miles away, make that for yourself even miles away. Bring something special from home, maybe it's like a duvet, maybe it's like a blanket, a rug, a couple photos.

• 48:45Jemma Sbeg?

  Integrate like this old life with this new life that you're entering into because it is all interconnected and this is just the next iteration and evolution of you as a person and so much growth is gonna happen, it's gonna be amazing. Also, living with your partner is a blast, like, it's like having a sleepover every night and I feel like in the first three months you're gonna be just like so excited and over the moon that you're not gonna realize that you're missing anybody or that you're missing anything. So, I just keep saying good luck, but I really mean it to all of you, like, good luck, you guys are just so wonderful and beautiful and just ask such beautiful, emotionally intelligent, earnest, fabulous questions, so I appreciate you guys.

• 49:28Jemma Sbeg?

  Going to the effort to wanna be a part of the show and for being the best guest that I ever get the chance to have. You guys are such good guests. All, I don't know how many questions we are answered, all eight, nine of you and all the others, all the others of you who, who also submitted questions. Thank you so much. If you have any advice for any of these people, drop it in the comments below. If you've listened this far, if you have a further question, maybe I'll spend some time answering questions in the comments, but also keep the advice going. If you have experience with any of these things, what tips would you give these people? Make sure as well that you are following us on Instagram at that psychology podcast. If you wanna see more behind the scenes stuff, if you wanna be able to

• 50:09Jemma Sbeg?

  contribute to future episodes like this, that is where you are going to find out about it. But until next time, stay safe, be kind, be gentle to yourself and thank you for listening. We will talk very, very soon.

• 50:25Jemma Sbeg?

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