118: Always Find A Mission. And Win. With Dan Crenshaw

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is Jocko Podcast number 118 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening.

• 0:12Jocko Willink?

  I need a mission.

• 0:16Jocko Willink?

  We all need a mission.

• 0:20Jocko Willink?

  That's what life should be is a mission.

• 0:26Jocko Willink?

  That's what gives your life purpose and focus and drive and ultimately satisfaction.

• 0:37Jocko Willink?

  Now that mission can be the job you work at. It can be providing for your family or it can be getting better at jujitsu or stronger at Olympic lifting or starting a business that you want to grow and build and take over the world.

• 0:57Jocko Willink?

  And sometimes people ask me what to do if they don't know what their mission is or what their mission should be.

• 1:07Jocko Willink?

  And I tell them if they're in that situation, go help someone.

• 1:14Jocko Willink?

  Go help someone else make that your mission. Because that will make you better.

• 1:21Jocko Willink?

  And it'll make the world better. And eventually from that you'll see what your mission is.

• 1:29Jocko Willink?

  Now, I was lucky. Because from a young age, I had a mission.

• 1:41Jocko Willink?

  I wanted to be some kind of commando.

• 1:46Jocko Willink?

  And eventually, I ended up hearing about the SEAL teams and decided that that was the best place for me.

• 1:57Jocko Willink?

  And that's where I went. And once I got to the SEAL teams, I had a new mission.

• 2:05Jocko Willink?

  Which was to prepare for war and that's what we did.

• 2:11Jocko Willink?

  And then eventually,

• 2:15Jocko Willink?

  war came.

• 2:18Jocko Willink?

  And then that was the mission.

• 2:21Jocko Willink?

  To take the fight to the enemy, to close with and destroy them through close combat. And that's what we did.

• 2:33Jocko Willink?

  But eventually, for me, and for everyone in the military,

• 2:42Jocko Willink?

  it ends.

• 2:45Jocko Willink?

  Maybe because of retirement, or maybe because of family obligations, or maybe for medical reasons. But for every warrior, eventually,

• 2:56Jocko Willink?

  the war ends.

• 2:59Jocko Willink?

  And that career ends, and that mission ends.

• 3:06Jocko Willink?

  And I've talked a lot on this podcast about how important it is to find a new mission.

• 3:15Jocko Willink?

  Once the war is over for you, and you've done your part, you have to find a new mission.

• 3:26Jocko Willink?

  Well,

• 3:28Jocko Willink?

  tonight, we have a guest on, who pursued much the same mission as me, for as long as he could, and who has now found a new mission that he is on.

• 3:45Jocko Willink?

  So, Dan Crenshaw, welcome to the podcast.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Thanks, Jocko. It's a pleasure to be here with you. Real honor.

• 3:53Jocko Willink?

  Thanks for coming on. And

• 3:57Jocko Willink?

  let's just start at the beginning, a little bit, for people that don't know who you are, let's talk a little bit about, I guess we'll talk about Katy, Texas, and at the same time, also include Ecuador and Colombia, about your childhood.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Well, like you said, I grew up in Katy, Texas. Um, I'm, had six generations of Texan flowing through me, my dad's side of the family. And, uh, my dad was in the oil and gas industry our whole lives, so. When you hear the things about Ecuador and Colombia and even Egypt and Scotland, that's those are all the places we lived over the years because of his, because of his career. Everybody, anybody in the oil and gas industry in Texas knows that. It's a pretty common theme. You know, I like to talk about some of the challenges that I went through from an early age and what kind of what drove me, or maybe, maybe drove my, that, that capacity,

• 4:54Speaker 01

  that mental capacity that you need to become a SEAL. And, you know, that started with my mother. And my, my mother got diagnosed with breast cancer when I was five years old. And she fought it hard for five years. And she never quit. She never complained. I, I never saw it. And if she did, I never saw it. And, um, and she just took care of me and my brother every day, um, right up until the end. And she eventually lost that battle when I was 10 years old, uh, 1994. But she instilled in me, you know, what I, what I think are American and Texas values of integrity, uh, respect, and, and just never quit. Never

• 5:36Speaker 01

  quit no matter what. And don't feel sorry for yourself. Um, cause she never did. She truly never did. And she asked, or she told me before she died that I would soar to great heights. And I don't know what that meant at the time. But I think we know now. And, um, not long after that, you know, when I could start reading books and, um, and, uh, grabbed the first Navy SEAL, Dick Marcinko novel, Rogue Warrior. I could, your book wasn't out yet, Jocko, otherwise maybe I would.

• 6:08Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. Rogue Warrior, that, that, that came out when I was already in.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:12Jocko Willink?

  As a matter of fact, it came out right as I showed up at the teams. It, I'm, I'm pretty sure that's right when it came out. And obviously it created some turmoil in the teams, but it was pretty interesting, especially because I knew guys that had worked for, for Dick Marcinko.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Really?

• 6:27Jocko Willink?

  And that was pretty interesting to talk to them. And, and to be totally frank with you, most of the guys that worked for Dick Marcinko, loved him. And, and as a matter of fact, one of the, a couple of the guys that I respect, I mean, there's one guy as a matter of fact that. That I work for and this was a couple of years later. As a matter of fact, it was around 1994. Cause I was in a SEAL platoon and, and I was talking to this guy that had worked for, for Dick Marcinco. And I said, hey, you know, how was Dick Marcinco? How, how was it to work for him? And he looked at me and said, best CO ever.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Jocko Willink?

  And, and this was from a guy that I have utmost respect for. So I thought that was pretty cool. Even though, you know, his book, you know, the book is, it's, I'd say it's a Hollywood-ish book.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:11Jocko Willink?

  And, and you know, the, the statement in there that everyone always laughs about in the teams is the statement that every SEAL on his team could bench press 500 pounds.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Right, right. The, the number keeps growing.

• 7:23Jocko Willink?

  We're, we're not going, we're not even gonna make it realistic. We're not gonna make it realistic. We're just going straight to 500 pound everyone on the team.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:30Jocko Willink?

  And that's just patently untrue. And what sucks is when you do that with that thing, well then you, then people start looking at the book and going, well, what is true and what is not.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:40Jocko Willink?

  So, and although from the way it's been described to me, the events in that book, a lot of them are compiled. So like this little thing happened on a training event and this thing happened on a training event and this thing happened on a training event. But they'd all be compiled into one big story and yeah. So it's kinda like a Hollywood.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:57Jocko Willink?

  It's a.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Book. It's a, it's a nonfiction-ish.

• 8:00Jocko Willink?

  But 10-year-old Dan Crenshaw didn't know that. He was like, I'm gonna bench 500 pounds.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  No problem.

• 8:05Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be here without, uh, that series of books, frankly. You know, I'd probably still have two eyes, but no, nobody needs two eyes. That's, that's a luxury.

• 8:17Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Uh, we'll get to that in a little, in a little bit. Um, so yeah, I mean, that, you know, once, once you've, once that, and you know this, most SEALs operate this way, or, or at least they have the same story of, yeah, it was just from a young age. I, I had a mission. Uh, I knew what it was and every decision I made from, from then until the moment I, I got into BUDs was, was, was just to prepare for that.

• 8:42Jocko Willink?

  Now, when you, did you, I know you lived overseas. Wh- where'd you go to high school?

• 8:48Speaker 01

  So, most of high school in Columbia.

• 8:49Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and uh.

• 8:51Jocko Willink?

  So what, did you play sports down there?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  I played soccer.

• 8:53Jocko Willink?

  Okay, because you were in Columbia, so you're gonna play soccer.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  It's kinda like what they had.

• 8:57Jocko Willink?

  You're gonna play soccer or soccer?

• 8:59Speaker 01

  It was that or volleyball.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  I could play volleyball.

• 9:03Jocko Willink?

  And then, you applied from college from Columbia?

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:07Jocko Willink?

  And, okay, this is, this is kind of an important question, because a lot of people ask me this question all the time. You were definitely wanted to be a SEAL. What made you make the decision between going to college and you ended up going to Tufts?

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, ended up in Tufts.

• 9:19Jocko Willink?

  In Mass- in Massachusetts. So, at some point, you said to yourself, okay, I could enlist tomorrow and go to boot camp and, you know, be a SEAL within the year. Or I can go to college for four years and, you know, then apply and I'll be in an, an officer in a leadership position. I get asked that question all the time. For me, when I was eighteen years old, the answer was real easy. Like, oh, I can be a SEAL within a year, uh, sign me up.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:49Jocko Willink?

  And, and that's what I did. And for you, you obviously took a different approach. And people ask me all the time, which one is better, and I, I tell them that there's advantages and disadvantages to both of them. Uh, but what made you decide you're gonna go officer style from the get-go?

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Um, maybe, you know, along with my mission of being a SEAL my whole life, the, the, a similar mission of I wanted a college degree as well. I wanted to knock that out. And, um, and then, you know, I wasn't well-informed enough to, to really speak about the difference between officer and enlisted back then like I am now. Um, but I did want a leadership role. It was important to me, based on what I'd read and based on the movies I'd seen, that I was in a leadership role.

• 10:31Jocko Willink?

  Did you see Navy SEALs? Was that it?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Obviously.

• 10:34Jocko Willink?

  That's like, that's Leif Babbel's answer to why he became a SEAL, straight up. He's like, oh yeah, Navy SEALs, Charlie Sheen gets them.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  I didn't just see it, you know, we had it on all the time. Greatest movie ever.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  You know, so a combination of wanting a leadership role, maybe knowing too, you know, was I really ready at age 18? You know, I knew I wanted it, but I have also, I also wanted to be prepared.

• 11:01Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  And I was able to think ahead enough to know that maybe I can't swim all that great just yet. We might need some more practice.

• 11:09Jocko Willink?

  Got it.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  But, but, but it was mostly like, it was mostly, I'm gonna go to college first. That's, that's been my life path. That's what I'm gonna do. And so that's what I did. And I ended up at Tufts University, mostly because of its international relations program. I was, that, that was my focus. It was foreign affairs, international relations, politics. And, and I did a minor in physics, just because, like, why not?

• 11:34Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, because that sounds like fun.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's quantum mechanics.

• 11:38Jocko Willink?

  You, you speak Spanish, obviously, from, from growing up in Colombia too. So are you fluent in Spanish?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Pretty fluent, yeah. It's kind of a little rusty, but we.

• 11:46Jocko Willink?

  And you did ROTC at?

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:49Jocko Willink?

  Was there any SEALs there? Like, prior SEALs that were instructors or anything like that?

• 11:53Speaker 01

  No, I, I, well, no, there, there was at Harvard. So a lot of these guys doing masters programs while we're doing ROTC, they're not attached to the unit. But I did have the opportunity to work with some guys and, you know, just get that mentorship. You just, this is the kind of workouts you might want to be doing. I mean, just the basics, because you just have no idea coming into it.

• 12:14Jocko Willink?

  Do you think kids over-prepare for BUDs now?

• 12:18Speaker 01

  Um, I think it depends on the kid. I, I often mentor guys who want to go through. And, you know, that sometimes they do focus a little bit too much on, especially things they're good at. Like, I'm running 10 miles a day, it's kind of like a five-minute pace. I'm like, stop running, never run again. You're good at that. Move on to the next thing.

• 12:38Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Uh, you know, focus on your weaknesses. Guys just don't understand the little, little basics. I don't know if they overtrain. I haven't worked with enough to really know.

• 12:46Jocko Willink?

  I, I talk to people and they send me messages all the time and they're on this two-year training program to get ready for BUDS. And I'm like, hey, train for two months and then go. Don't, it's not that hard. If you played a sport in college or you played a sport in high school and you can run, like you'll get in good shape there and it's going to be a challenge, but waiting around, especially when there's a war going on that you don't really want to miss.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:12Jocko Willink?

  Like, that's a big deal to me, you know, and I tell these guys, this war's not going to last forever. And, you know, I showed up at the team in 1991, just missed the first Gulf War and it's, you know, we, I didn't shoot my weapon at the enemy for 13 years. And that's a long, dry, hard 13 years. And so.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:33Jocko Willink?

  You don't want to miss out on that stuff.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  No, you don't.

• 13:35Jocko Willink?

  One of my old team guy buddies, it was like 1971 and, and he, he thought the Vietnam War was going to end and he's down at the Marine Corps recruiter saying, I want to be a door gunner in Huey. It's, it's interesting that there's, you know, you always hear about the protesters and whatnot.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:54Jocko Willink?

  But there's kids that want to fight.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  We do have a, there's a warrior class in, in America that I think we should be proud of and be proud to be a part of because it's a, they're good people with good values and they want to do the right thing for their country.

• 14:11Jocko Willink?

  So you show up at BUDS. So you get, we get done with college. College is college, right? Is there anything particular you want to say about college?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 14:19Jocko Willink?

  Okay. Well, cool. Cause I don't particularly want to hear about it.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  College happened.

• 14:25Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, college happened. And so you show up at BUDS and any issues at BUDS?

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, you know, I started my, I started with class 261, um, about Tuesday afternoon of my first hell week, my, a stress fracture developed into a pretty noticeable fracture.

• 14:43Jocko Willink?

  Oh.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  And, uh, I got the old question, are you hurt or are you injured, Mr. Crenshaw? And you really want to be injured because you better not just be hurt because then you're just quitting. And I was injured, pretty substantially. I mean, you know, I mean, stress fractures are pretty normal injury in BUDs.

• 15:03Jocko Willink?

  Okay, so you, so when I'm sitting here talking about people don't prep enough, you're like, actually, you should prep more. Do you think you could have run more preparing for BUDs?

• 15:10Speaker 01

  I would have, I ran plenty. I would have, I would have focused a little bit more on strength and conditioning, you know, something I just didn't know how to do back then. Because what happens in BUDs is, I mean, you're gonna go to failure. You're gonna go to failure no matter what. It's gonna happen on the hour, every hour, maybe every 10 minutes, all the time. So guys who over-prepare, they can't understand why they're failing so much, right? And that messes with their head. So maybe that's what you mean by over-preparing. Because that's what I mean by, like, I think, I think guys get too confident in their abilities, and they just don't understand why they're hitting a wall all the time. Whereas, like, guys like me are just like, I just, I just, I expected to suck. So it's really not a

• 15:54Speaker 01

  surprise. But we're just gonna keep trying, no matter what, and just never quit. And quitting is never an option. The other problem is if you over-prepare, maybe it becomes an option. This isn't the case for everybody, but I've seen some of the best in shape guys quit because it was just, they were like, maybe it was an option for them. Like, maybe I'll make it, maybe I won't. But if you, you should never go into BUDs thinking that way. And that's why a lot of guys who make it through, I think, have this story that, well, I wanted to do it since I was 10 years old. So it was just never an option for me to ever quit. So, yeah, you do need to prepare enough to make sure your muscles, when they do fail, aren't putting all the strain on your joints and your knees. And that's what happened to me. Because it just happened over time and over time. You're limping a certain way, and

• 16:38Speaker 01

  that just, that causes a fracture eventually because there's too much pressure being put on your bones. So, you know, or I just had weak genetics.

• 16:45Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, likely story.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  More likely answer. So I got rolled back. I came back again with 264. And, you know, you know, you know, there's that, that two mile run you do in Hell Week. It's like Tuesday or so of Hell Week, and it's a time, you went through a long time. Well, it's like a Tuesday or something. It's a timed run and if you, and if you get in the top five, you don't have to do it again. And then everybody else has to do it all over again and you get to rest under a boat and, you know, eat sand or whatever they let you do.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Munch on that sand over there. And, uh, you know, my first hell week, I was dead last. I mean, just way be like, not even close, right? Cause I was limping the whole time. In my second hell week, I was, I was first place by maybe five minutes, you know, and maybe because I knew what the game was, but everybody does actually, because the word gets around. Um, you know, that it's, but it was, it was, it was a message maybe to myself of like, we're gonna, we're gonna not only do this, but we're gonna crush it. And I'm gonna feel good about it. And I'm gonna rest under that boat and eat my sand while everybody else is running. Frankly, it was really cold. So I kind of wish I'd been running at the time, but whatever, I won.

• 17:58Jocko Willink?

  The closest story I have to that is we got done with a four mile timed run. And when we got done, the people that failed, and I didn't fail, but there was a bunch of people that failed. And the instructor, who is a really, a perfect instructor, meaning that his attitude and the way he carried himself was epic for BUDs. And he was the senior chief of the phase. It was dive phase. And the guys come across and he's collecting the guys that fail, which was probably at least half the class. And then, you know, he says, because I'm fair, I'm gonna go ahead and let you do this timed run again. Get on the line, ready, go. And everyone had to run another four mile timed run, right? Well, not us, but the people that, the people that passed got to not do it.

• 18:41Jocko Willink?

  But the people that didn't pass, which was half the class, had to go and just run another four mile timed run right then to see if they could then pass it.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it's much easier to pass after you, on the eighth mile, you're definitely doing a lot better.

• 18:54Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, especially after you've put out as hard as you possibly could for a four mile timed run, which I actually had to do every time. I failed a run and I failed one run in BUDs. I paced myself. I said, oh, you know what? I'll just pace myself. I'm not gonna put out as hard as I, as a guy. I'll, I'll save a little bit for later. And that didn't work. I, I failed because I'm not a fast runner. And so from then on, it was just a sprint as hard as I could go for the whole damn time. And unlike you, I didn't win any races in BUDs.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Literally none.

• 19:23Jocko Willink?

  So you get done with, and you show up. So now it's 2000 and what, what year is it?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Uh, this is 2007.

• 19:30Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, 2007, yeah, finishing BUDS 2007 and then moving to NSQT.

• 19:34Jocko Willink?

  Oh, that's right.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  Leif Babin putting me through JOTSI.

• 19:38Jocko Willink?

  Nice.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  You know, I was indoctrinated early on with T U bruiser stories.

• 19:45Jocko Willink?

  Check, check. Yeah, that's awesome. And then from there, you rolled to Team Three?

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Team Three. Yeah, I was Team Three with Fallujah in 2008 and then back in Ramadi in 2010 with try the platoon, you know?

• 19:59Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  Your little troop.

• 20:00Jocko Willink?

  You know, going back to Leif running that course, it was interesting because what that course used to be was almost like an administrator course. Hey, here's how you write evals. And they had a little tiny bit of dashings of tactics in it, but it was here's how you write evals. Here's how you write Navy messages and just that kind of stuff.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:20Jocko Willink?

  And, you know, we knew that these kids needed to train because in Ramadi, I had guys that were first platoon guys, out ground force commanders.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:28Jocko Willink?

  And we wanted to make sure these guys knew what to do on the battlefield. And it was awesome that Leif went there and started rehashing that program and did a great job.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  I think it was very valuable.

• 20:38Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, so then you got done with that, then you showed up at Team Three and you went right on deployment?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Right. I mean, Team Three was already on deployment. So they had just deployed, you know, and you know how that goes. Um, it's the cycle of graduates. So we met up with Team Three. I was in Fallujah for a little while. Uh, I was down in Basra for a few months and actually stayed on deployment to meet up with Team Five and, and, um, and help them transition, you know, as we were setting up another debt out there in Basra. Great first deployment and learned a lot, got to work a little bit and then came back to Iraq in 2010. And another great deployment for me because I was able to take over as platoon commander when my platoon OIC had to go to relieve another platoon OIC.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  So, you know, we were going through the entire targeting cycle, working with multiple Iraqi partners throughout Ramadi and throughout all of Al Ambar. We got to operate throughout the entire province and even a little bit in Baghdad. So, just an amazing experience for a young JO who wouldn't normally be put in that position. And working with some of the best people I've ever met, you know, we talked about before. I won't name names on the podcast, but you know.

• 21:54Jocko Willink?

  Well, your OIC was a great guy that got moved. That's why he got moved and obviously they had confidence in you to, to move you up into the platoon commander position, which is an interesting thing. I had a group of business people and they, they, there was a guy that kept saying, well, no one can take my place, you know, and then he was surprised that he wasn't getting promoted. And, you know, explain to people, if you don't have a person below you in the chain of command or two or three people below you in the chain of command that can take your job, well then you're going to have to stay in your job and you're not going to get promoted. So, that, that's, that's proof that your OIC, like I said, who's a great guy, actually he's supposed to come on the podcast at some point, but he's a great guy and he had groomed

• 22:39Jocko Willink?

  you and taught you everything you could do and, and made you ready and trusted you to say when the, when the boss came to him and said, hey, I gotta fire a guy, I'm gonna move you over to Afghanistan, is your, is your AOC ready to take over? And he could confidently say, yes, he is. And that's, that's awesome. And that shows that he was a great leader to, to kind of prepare you properly for that situation.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  That's a good point. I mean, that is, that is part of leadership and management. It's making sure that below you and above you is, is squared away, as they would put it.

• 23:10Jocko Willink?

  And I would do that when I was running training, I would always kill, you know, theoretically, or what is it? Virtually kill the platoon commanders.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  All of us.

• 23:19Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and sometimes I'd kill all of you.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  I remember.

• 23:22Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, there'd be some, some, some buddy carries happening for extended distances. Uh, yeah, I was a little bit. I was a little bit crazy at that point and you know I was

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Good training.

• 23:37Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah. You know, it's, I was coming home from Ramadi and I wanted to make sure you guys were ready to, ready for the worst possible case scenarios, you know.

• 23:48Jocko Willink?

  So then you get, so you, you do that, you finish out that deployment and that was a solid deployment. You were, you were running a bunch of stuff. That, that sounds like a, a good deal. And then what'd you do when you came back?

• 23:57Speaker 01

  So we came back, moved over to support activity one and as you know, they, they run intelligence support operations for the SEAL teams. It's, it's a fairly normal transition to make as an officer and for a lot of listed guys too. But what that ended, what really, what that translated into is back on deployment 2012 with my platoon again, SEAL Team Three, Charlie Platoon in Kandahar Province. So on that deployment, this was one of our more kinetic deployments. I mean, it's Afghanistan, it's Kandahar, there's IEDs everywhere. I mean, everywhere. I mean, to the point where, you know, our, our TTPs or our, you know, our SOPs, our standard operating procedures were, hey, we're on patrol, we're getting shot at,

• 24:42Speaker 01

  don't even move. Don't even go look for cover. Because as soon as you move, you hit an IED. I mean, they're, they're, they're just, they're that prevalent throughout the entire ground, not just on pathways, not just in doorways, in the most random of places. These guys are just burying these things at a whim, you know, and then it's, and it's chaos out there. And we know they're not that great at shooting at us, so would rather just take it.

• 25:06Jocko Willink?

  So I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a moment just to emphasize what you just said, because it's really important and not everyone will understand it the way you, the way you went over it quickly, almost from a tactical mindset. So I just want everyone to understand. What he's, what he's saying is, when at this point the IEDs were so bad. That if you started getting shot at by the enemy, the obvious and common and practice that everyone in the world instinctively and by training has is you immediately hit the ground and seek cover. And you get behind a log, you get behind a piece of terrain, you find somewhere to hide from the bullets that are coming at you. And what Dan's saying is during

• 25:47Jocko Willink?

  this deployment, the IED threat was so high that when the enemy started shooting at them, instead of finding cover to hide from the bullets, they would rather just stay put, probably take a knee, but not dive behind something because the likely, there was a likely chance that there was an IED there. That's, that's crazy.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  It is. It is. Um, you know, we've, I've seen multiple guys get, get blown up and um, usually our partners, our Afghan partners who were patrolling with us, uh, because you know, maybe they're, they're just not as careful or maybe they're, they're, the, the equipment they're using to detect IEDs in the ground, they weren't using it properly, whatever the case may, or maybe just because it's bad luck and, and they're just everywhere. Um, you know, it's

• 26:32Jocko Willink?

  And there's more, you had more Afghan partners than Americans?

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Oh, by far. We, we would sometimes go on operations with about a hundred Afghans and maybe 12, 15 SEALs. Um, because we're, we're doing entire clearance operations through villages. You know, we're, we're going house to house. We're shaking hands, a little bit of shaking hands, a little bit of on security, you know, either defending ourselves or going on the offensive. It, it depends on the situation. But, um, you know, we round everybody up, we talk to them. Um, you know, we have, we meet with village elders. So it's, it's, it's, it's a little bit of your, your, your, I guess your more typical unconventional warfare tactics of we're trying to meet and greet the population, um, while also, you know, being prepared for

• 27:15Speaker 01

  battle. And, uh, and, and, but the hardest part of that was certainly the IED threat, you know, only single file lines, everything we ever learned in training of different formations and, you know,

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Staggered echelon, whatever it is, it doesn't apply. It all, it all gets thrown out the window because it's, it's only about single file. What has been cleared, what hasn't been cleared? And you could, you could veer from that a little bit depending on what area you're in in Kandahar. More mountainous areas, less IDs. But even then, I've got a story. You know, these guys, uh, some of our guys take a, take a point, take it on the high ground and a little hilltop. I mean, just in the middle of nowhere. I mean, middle of no, I can't emphasize this enough. It is the middle of nowhere. Right? And they sit down and this pop goes off. It was a blasting cap that went low order, which means it didn't blow up the main charge, like a 15, 20 pound charge. It would have killed all three of them right then and there.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  And, uh, I mean, I want to say that again, middle of nowhere. There was no reason for there to be IED right there, but there was. And this was, this was out in the mountains and this wasn't even in the, the pan, you know, the southern Kandahar district, which is, which is truly just a minefield everywhere. You know, so, you know, the, I can't emphasize how bad the threat is there. And even, even, even taking, even taking a small, high ground position behind a rock. Like, you know, this is what, the kind of things we ran into. And, um, so that was that deployment. It was a lot of fun. And, um, but it was, it was a hard one for us. Uh, you know, on month six, about six months in, this is June 15th, 2012.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Um, I was hit by an IED blast by one of these, you know, again, they're everywhere. Uh, and it was, it was the one day we spent in Helmand province. So we, we went to Helmand on a, on a last minute mission, uh, to support some marine special operations forces out there. And, uh, as, as the early, you know, we, we always fly in about the middle of the night. We do that so that the enemy can't arm the IED. See, the IEDs are everywhere, but they're not always armed. And if they, if they keep them armed, they run out of batteries and they don't work anymore. So they, so there's, there's a little bit of tactical consideration there. But, um,

• 29:32Speaker 01

  You know, as the early morning hours come and the daylight starts to hit, we start to move around and we start to clear out this one compound. And hadn't been totally cleared yet and one of my Afghan interpreters was responding to a call, runs in front of me and completely gets dismembered by about fifteen pounds of explosives underneath him. And all I know is I got hit with something. Kind of feels like you're getting hit by a truck while a bunch of guys in the truck are shooting you with a shotgun. That's sort of what it feels like. And, you know, my immediate reaction was feel my legs, right? So I feel my legs and everything's still there. You know, I know something is wrong.

• 30:14Jocko Willink?

  What was your distance from the IED?

• 30:16Speaker 01

  A couple of feet. I mean, it's so, I mean, because I would, yeah, a few feet. Where you and me are probably is about, you know, just across the table. And, you know, lots of pain, pain everywhere, but not in my eyes. So I was completely blinded, but, you know, totally under the assumption that I just had dirt in my eyes. And I remained under this assumption that there was really nothing wrong with my eyes for, frankly, for weeks to come. And we'll talk about that, but, you know, I was, I didn't lose consciousness. I knew what was happening. I could hear the moans. Everybody thinks that when somebody gets their legs blown off, they're screaming like in the movies. It's just never the case. It's a very different, like visceral sound of pain.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  And it's, and I've heard it many times now because this happened to us a couple of times. And so I heard that. I knew, I knew that Rachman had been hit because I could hear him. And, you know, one of our, one of my teammates tells a story where he got hit with a foot in a building next door. I mean, and it was, and that's how they knew something had gone terribly wrong. And, you know, the medics come to me. There's nothing they can do for me. They sort of just wrap up my eyes. They know something's wrong. I really don't, frankly. I just, I keep assuming there's just dirt in my eyes and that it'll be fine. And eventually we get taken out of there.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  I was able to get up and walk to the helo because, you know, you don't let somebody carry you when they've got a firefight to finish. And We get on and as soon as the medics on the helicopter see me, they they put me out right away and I don't wake up for days. So when I do wake up, I'm in Germany, they they told me my right eye had been removed and I'd probably never see again out of my left eye, but there's a chance. And again, kind of self deception kicks in. I'm like, so you're saying there's a chance we'll be fine. Just get the surgery done, get me on a plane to to back to Maryland to the Walter Reed Hospital where these surgeons are and let's do this. And they're like, it's going to be a day or two. I argue, we argue, you know, that's how it goes for the next couple of days. I can't really move. I can't get

• 32:26Speaker 01

  up to use the bathroom. My body is completely swollen and shredded, really. I mean, there's no real permanent injuries to the rest of my body, but it's it's in such a state that like Is that just shock wave from the blast? I think shock and I was I had a ton of shrapnel just throughout. I think I was swollen, might have been muscle atrophy from being in a medically induced coma for so long, because I'd been there, been that way for five or six days, but really couldn't move. And just wrapped up really tight because I mean, there's you can see the scarring a little bit. I was just it was kind of been through a meat grinder a little bit. And

• 33:07Speaker 01

  I was also I was hallucinating wildly. So I everything I saw was Afghanistan. I was lucid. I understood what was around me, but all I could see was an Afghan guy sitting next to me or an Afghan village. It was it's it's almost like phantom pain, but with your eyes. And there's a medical term for it that I can't remember. But it was it's just an odd and terrifying experience because it wasn't I knew it wasn't real, but it's just everything I saw. And eventually got back to Maryland on one of our medical flights and you know, my wife was there waiting for me. And you know, we began to have that conversation about, okay, what's the next surgery? Because I had to remove the cataract. I mean, that

• 33:52Speaker 01

  was that was the issue. There was a lot of shrapnel in my left eye, the eye that was still there. And, you know, the issue was, could we can we safely remove the cataract? And will he ever see again? And if we do do that, what's what are his chances really of having decent vision? And, um, you know, we, we prayed and we, I, I look back on it and, and again, that, you know, we call it self deception, but it was really the strength to stay sane and, and believe that I was actually going to see again. And, and I truly believe that was God's strength is working through me, is allowing me to, to believe in something impossible. Um, because otherwise I would've gone nuts. Cause people sometimes ask me, what's it like not knowing

• 34:35Speaker 01

  if you're ever gonna see again? And I always answer, I, I don't know. I don't know what that's like, because it was never, that was never my mental state. My mental state was always, it'll happen. It's just a matter of time and then I can finally get back to my platoon. You know, the, the, the issue for me was like, when are we gonna do this? You guys told me six weeks. All right, let's schedule it. It was insanity.

• 34:57Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. I mean, that's obviously when I hear this story, I think of Ryan Jobe, who was with me and Ramadi and he, and he got shot in the face. And, you know, it was a similar situation where, you know, clearly his, his eye, one eye was gone, but his other eye appeared to be intact and he could actually see after he got wounded. Then he got put into a, a, you know, he could see what was happening and, and walked into the Kazevac vehicle. Uh, but, you know, they put him into a medically induced coma. And when he woke up, he couldn't see. And then it was the same type of thing that they were telling

• 35:37Jocko Willink?

  you, they were telling him, which is, look, there was some nerve damage. We're not sure. And his attitude was very similar of like, well, it'll be okay. And, uh, you know, it'll come back. Um, but, uh, you know, what didn't take very long before the doctors were like, no, um, it's, it's, it's not coming back. And I forget the timeline, you know, I forget the timeline, cause it's, it's kind of a. Kind of a blur together. But yeah, for him it was, he had a great attitude, but you know, at the end, it didn't happen.

• 36:16Jocko Willink?

  And you know, and that's a guy that was still like, and he also still wanted to come back and get back with his platoon. And was telling me, you know, don't worry, I can smell the enemy and I'll know where to shoot. Let me back, sir. So yeah, the, the fact that you were able to recover is awesome, awesome. And you know, it's a, it, it shows, it should show people that, you know, even though you had a great attitude. The threat of, of never being able to see again was very, very real, very, very real.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. And it truly was. I mean, we had miracles occur in the operating room, multiple occasions. And doctors were just amazed that not only could I see again, but see well again. It was, because they're, in their minds, they're like, well, if we do this surgery and his retina doesn't detach like we think it might. He'll still have, you know, crappy vision, you know, because his cornea is all destroyed. I mean, everything's a mess in this eye. And you know, we'll get him some decent glasses so he can kind of live his life, but he's, he's pretty much permanently disabled. And I just didn't listen. I don't even remember these conversations. Like, I think I blocked them out. And it was because the first surgery was, we've got to remove the cataract. Okay, that went well. All right, we removed the cataract, great.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  You know, and the next step is to put a lens implant in your eye, like, like anybody normally would when they have cataract surgery. That's just the normal thing to do. We ended up never doing that because it's kind of like replacing a window pane on a normal eye. But if the frame of the window is completely destroyed, then you have to sew the window pane to curtains and that's never a good policy. So they, they eventually refused to do that on me, even though I was demanding it constantly. But because I wanted to see again, I wanted to get back and I didn't want big, thick glasses, which is what I have to wear now, or, or this specialized contact. But then another problem occurred, which is a hole in my retina that was expanding. And this is, again, it's kind of a normal.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  You know, if you're over 50, this might be a normal thing that occurs and then you have a pretty routine surgery to get rid of it and to stop it. But for me, it was incredibly fragile. But we had to do it. So I went blind again for six weeks recovering from this surgery. So, and I was, I was, I was truly living in darkness for a long time. You know, and not always, thank God, I wasn't hallucinating the entire time. That stopped after about week one. You know, just, or just after my major surgery, my first major surgery. But I went blind again. And another miracle happened because they truly thought I wasn't going to make it through that surgery either.

• 38:52Jocko Willink?

  So after, when they, when you were blind again for six weeks, going into that, did they tell you, okay, you're going to be blind for a period of time and it's going to take time to heal?

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Just, yeah, because of the recovery process, you, they, they put a gas bubble in your eye so that it puts pressure on the back of your retina and you have to be face down for six weeks. It's just the weirdest.

• 39:11Jocko Willink?

  What the hell did you do for six weeks, face down in bed?

• 39:15Speaker 01

  I got one of those massage chairs.

• 39:17Jocko Willink?

  Uh huh.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Where, you know, you plant your face down and I had audiobooks going all day long. And it was great. Yeah. And by great, I mean, not great at all.

• 39:26Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. By great, you mean awesome.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, Starbucks and audiobooks.

• 39:36Jocko Willink?

  You, you had to stay face down all the time? Are you, and that six weeks goes by and then they eventually remove the gas bubble and?

• 39:43Speaker 01

  It dissipates. Yeah. So there's eventually a point where you're like, okay, it's gone now. I can, I'm allowed, I'm allowed to look straight again. And then, and then it's just, you know, refitting your eye with a bright eyewear, you know, like glasses and contacts so I can actually get back to a normal life. And frankly, that took years. It, you know, it's, eventually, I'll just, I'll skip to the end. About two and a half years in, I finally got, got a, referred by the Navy to an outside clinic that does these, these amazing contacts. There's only one company in the world that does it. And I can see 2020 with it. Now, not up close, you know, my vision's complicated because I have a cataract, but, but I actually see 2020 vision at distance, which is, I mean, just not even

• 40:27Speaker 01

  close to what they thought was possible. So, and But despite all that, I mean, before that two and a half year mark, I still had decent enough contacts to survive. I mean, they just weren't comfortable. They kind of drove me crazy. And, you know, all I cared about was getting back to the team. I was almost going back to Team Three. The Command wouldn't let that happen in the end, just because I couldn't get the medical waiver to do it. So I stayed at what was now called Special Reconnaissance Team One. Again, we do intel support for the SEAL teams. And I did a troop commander there. So in charge of about 50 personnel, a mix of SEALs, intelligence specialists, all sorts of really great people that, as you know, support the teams and intelligence

• 41:09Speaker 01

  matters. And deployed to Bahrain, worked with Joint Special Operations Task Force out there. Working, you know, all throughout the Persian Gulf, working on classified programs there, working in Lebanon as well. And coming back from that, told I had to eventually get out. I mean, I had to start the medical retirement process. But before I did, I truly, I wanted to serve again. I mean, it was extremely important to me. So this deployment to Bahrain was about 2014. By the time I was really told I had to medically retire was around 2016. But, you know, this process takes up to a year. And I asked that I, you know,

• 41:50Speaker 01

  be able to serve again in some capacity, let my, let my specialties that I'd acquired over the years at SRT One be put to use in the Pacific. So they deployed me to Korea for my last deployment in the end of 2016. And as soon as I got home from that, I was, I was medically retired. And had to find my next mission. You know, like you talked about, the, earlier on in the podcast, I mean, it's, life truly is about mission. And, you know, I'm getting into politics now, running for Congress in Houston, Texas, for the second district. And I talk about this a lot, and from a, from a political philosophy standpoint, if you don't give people a mission, or you don't encourage people to find their

• 42:33Speaker 01

  purpose and their dignity, you have a failing society. It's so important and you're not, you know, even, even think tanks talk about this like American Enterprise Institute, like our policies need to promote a sense of mission for people and help people understand that they have value in this world. They're here on this earth for a reason. And if you're not constantly seeking out what that value is that you contribute to society, you're not doing your job. And we need to help you do your job if, if, if need be, but you, but you do have value and you, and you must find that purpose in life. And, and guys like us, I think, can't survive without that constant mission. And

• 43:14Jocko Willink?

  Well, we see it all the time with, with all vets and when they, and I, I talk about this all the time. The vets that get out that have another mission, they focus on that mission and they go kick ass. The vets that get out and don't know what they're gonna do, that flounder around without a direction, those are the guys that end up in trouble because they don't have a mission. So they go and drink a beer, then they have another beer, and then the, they get prescribed pain medicine for their back, which hurts, which sucks. And, and they go down this bad road. And I believe a lot of it is because, you know, they just need that next mission. But you got done with, so 2016, you didn't roll right into politics. You rolled to, you, you went back to college.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Right. I had no intention of politics in 2016.

• 44:00Jocko Willink?

  Did that become, you, you, you looked at what you're gonna do next and you said, okay, well, how else can I serve? How else can I move forward? What's my next mission gonna be? And you decided you're gonna go back to school?

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Back to school for, I knew I was gonna stay in public service. So I knew my next mission was gonna still be government. I wasn't exactly sure what. I knew I wanted to do, I wanted to be able to implement policy and strategy and, and take that tactical experience. Um, cause I, you know, cause I, I'd built an understanding of what policy in DC looks like on the ground. Um, and actually because the reason I was hurt that day in 2012 was because of an Obama administration's, um, you know, policy of always wanting boots on the ground battle of damage assessments for any, any close air support. So, cause earlier in that day Marines had called in close air support on a compound they were taking fire

• 44:51Speaker 01

  from. For some reason, they wanted guys to walk across minefields and go take pictures of it. Right, that's not good policy. Now, it's not a victimhood story, don't get me wrong. I mean, there was a battle going on, we wanted to go. I don't care really what the reason is. But from a policy perspective, that's concerning, that that kind of pressure is being put on our two star and our and that's what drove that mission. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Um, so it's great to see somebody like General Madison, right now, who says the opposite. I will not waste my troops' time with these kind of things. And he's on record, um, you know, after we dropped the mother of all bombs while back. He's on record saying, I will not waste my troops' time going to count the dead bodies out there. That's just good policy.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  So, you know, I wanted to take that experience to Washington. Um, the natural, the natural next step was to get the right education. So the Harvard Kennedy School, uh, of government is where I went. Got a master's degree in public administration, focusing more on national security issues, economic issues. Um, and, and, and a little bit of political, US politics.

• 45:54Jocko Willink?

  How long was that school?

• 45:55Speaker 01

  I just did a year, one year program. And, um, you know, it's kind of the accelerated executive style program that you can apply to if you're, if you're older and you actually have some, some life experience.

• 46:06Jocko Willink?

  What's the intensity level of that?

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Uh, it's tense as you make it. I took, I took about four extra credits, more than I needed to. Uh, so I was busy, uh, cause I, you know, it's, it's not like going to college where you're just getting through it. I think, uh, I would highly recommend to anybody, you know, you do a master's degree later on in life, you're really going to get the most you can out of it. Cause you care about learning, you're there for a reason, because you have purpose. And, and you know why you're there. So I got a lot out of it, honestly. And it was, it was quite, it was really an amazing year. I mean, you hear from the greatest people. I had, you know, Bush's deputy national security advisor, teaching us. Um, I had, uh, you know, the, the premier experts on counter proliferation policy, uh, teaching us in class.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  I had Reagan's chief economic advisor as my economics professor. I mean, you just can't, you know, the, the, these people don't speak in terms of like, this is what we think happens in the White House. Or no, they're like, when I was in the White House, this is how it got done. I mean, that's the kind of. The level of instruction that you're getting. So I was really happy to get that education and it truly applies to as in my current role is running for office. I'm glad I was there, but I hadn't necessarily thought about running for office even after I graduated. I was looking at more policy jobs, you know, because I didn't, I don't have the political connections. I don't have the background and money and the donor networks to really, to jump off on a campaign right away.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  I've thought about it in the long-term sense, for sure, but not in the short-term. And I was working with Pete Sessions, Congressman Pete Sessions on Capitol Hill for a little while, getting legislative experience there and working, doing some consulting and eventually came to a head where I was about to take a job either doing counter weapons and mass destruction policy for the Department of Defense or go run for office because my congressman, Ted Poe, had just announced retirement. And we prayed about it, we thought about it, we had the right backing from, you know, some well-connected people that I think God just put in front of us at the right time and my wife and I went for it.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  You know, she was, she was all in, was all in and that was it. I mean, I'd already come back to Texas by this point to help with Hurricane Harvey reconstruction, was out volunteering where in my old hometown of Katy. My parents didn't flood, they were, they've been living in Spring, which is just north of Katy for the past 13, 14 years. But, you know, neighbors needed help, neighbors still need help. It's still pretty devastated in Houston and, you know, I think the decision became easy that we knew this was the right choice. Like this was the right mission. If I cared about nuclear proliferation policy, what better place to affect it than from Congress? If you care about helping flood victims, no better place than elected office.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  If you care about border security, you know, which Texans do, no better place than public office. You know, if we care about protecting Americans and protecting the sanctity of the SEAL teams and pushing the right policies from the defense level, then, you know, elected politics is where I can do it from. And so the decision was easy. It was, it was the right choice for us. We knew we were doing it for the right reasons. We know we are still doing it for the right reasons and we're not going to quit.

• 49:24Jocko Willink?

  So with all those things that you said that are are real positive about having a political career.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:33Jocko Willink?

  You must have also been looking at the the nightmare gut check, just mud slinging that you're gonna have to go or that's gonna be thrown at you and all that and and your family getting the microscope on them and watched all the time and no privacy and all that. How did you weigh those things out? And did you think about those things as well?

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Uh, and it's it's by far the most concerning thing about politics. I mean, if anything drives drives you out, it's it's that, you know, and frankly, the experience hasn't been too bad yet. I mean, I get attacked for silly things uh here and there. I've got a, you know, one of my opponents, what I would call one of his cronies, uh, there's these there's these corrupt, um, they call them the slates in Harris County, which is Harris County is Houston.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  And these three slates are essentially three political mailers that go out and they they make they they target senior citizens especially. And they make it sound like there's these these um, these conservative review type of magazines, you know, these something with authority behind it, but really they're not. Really, they're pay to play and it's just one author and they pick who they like based on what kind of money they were able to get out of the deal. And then they trash everybody else. So, you know, they put mine, they put my bio on there. It doesn't say anything about who I actually am. It just says I'm homeless and don't have a job and would like to be, I mean, it's it's absurd, right? And most people read it and they think this is this this can't be serious. So and actually it got me a lot of votes because people would look me up after that.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  It's like, oh, well, this is this is who this guy is. Maybe I will vote for him after all. Um, but but unfortunately, that's politics and that's that's the world we live in. Um, even though the, you know, the Harris County Republican Party has publicly denounced these so-called slates, um, because they send out these voter guides and, you know, they've denounced them, but people don't always know. People aren't, you know, sometimes a lot of folks still rely on those. So you're battling this kind of corruption. You're battling this establishment. I mean, you know, we always talk about the establishment in politics and I never really knew what that meant, I think, until I saw behind the curtain and now I truly understand. Um, and it's this class of politically connected. People in the donor class that really just stick together. And it has nothing to do with policy or doing the right thing for the American people.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  It's just how much money do you have? That's all that matters. And it's not, it's not all that matters. We made it into the runoff after last week's election, which was March 6. There was nine candidates in my primary. And on an election day, I came out far and away first place.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  We beat out, overall in the election, I was second place, but we beat out.

• 52:13Jocko Willink?

  So just to again, explain that a little bit for people that aren't paying attention to the election. You were in the, in the fight, you're going against nine other candidates. Going into the election, obviously, there's some people that vote early through mail voting, and they just vote early. And you were behind there. But then as your campaign picked up and people started to actually see who you are, when people came to vote on election day, you, you won election day, but you didn't win all the votes combined because of people that had voted early and whatnot.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Right, and that's correct.

• 52:48Jocko Willink?

  But it shows the trajectory and the momentum of what you're doing.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  Right, we've got some great momentum that we're excited about. And even put in, even paint a broader picture, you know, we started this late November, and the election was March 6. That's, that's a very little time for anybody to get a campaign together. So, and we're going up against, one of my opponents had, probably will have ended up spending, when the numbers come in, between six and seven million dollars, which is a record for self-funding for a campaign like this. Another opponent, you know, similar, similar, very high spending, very much self-funded, and was already a state representative, so had, had some kind of campaign machine in place. You're trying to catch up, you're trying to build a, a campaign team and a, and a message within almost no time at all and no money whatsoever.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  It's, it's not an easy task in only a couple of months. Usually you start like a year out if you're going to run for Congress. But, but this, that just wasn't the case here because Ted Poe announced retirement about mid-November. So, we had a lot to overcome. We built that momentum quickly. We worked hard, worked hard, got the message out, met as many people as we could, and, you know, and it worked. We snuck by, uh, snuck out of that third place spot because as you said, so we were behind during early voting and mail-in voting because that, that stuff happens so early. There was just no way for my momentum to catch up in time. But by election day, we were far and away first place and were able to sneak into the runoff. So now we're in the runoff and that's May 22nd.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  So we got another, you know, two months to, uh, to really prepare and, and get our message out there. And I think we're, we're excited about it and I think it's going to go well.

• 54:28Jocko Willink?

  So you talked about this a little bit. You talked about money, right? Money. And as disturbing as it is, what's driving so much of who wins these elections is, is who has the most money? Cause that's how you get the advertising. That's how you get the mailers. That's how you get the word out there. I mean, if you don't have the money to pay for advertising, then no one knows who you are and you don't get any votes. So as disturbing as that is, you, without money, you, you, you, you have a real hard time. I mean, you've done an amazing job with the limited amount. How, I mean, how much money did you go into that last election?

• 55:04Speaker 01

  We ended up spending total about $200,000. So we were outspent, you know, 30, over, over 30 to one, uh, easily. And I would, you could say more if, if you count what everybody else, you know, what the first and second place also spent against me. I mean, you know, something to be proud of, but, uh, so I think.

• 55:24Jocko Willink?

  So you would raise $200,000 and you went up against somebody that spent $6 million?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:30Jocko Willink?

  And yeah, like I said, unfortunately, money drives so much of these elections and that's why you end up with those, uh, people that, I mean, I know you can't, well technically or possibly, but you're not supposed to be able to buy an election, right?

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:47Jocko Willink?

  But I mean, the, the person that you talk about that spent $6 million. Without that money, I mean, where would, is a female, right? Where would she have been without spending that money? I'm assuming she wouldn't have been anywhere.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:00Jocko Willink?

  So she was able to buy herself at least third place.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:03Jocko Willink?

  And maybe if she had another, more money, she would have been able to buy herself first place. That's a scary thought.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  It is. I mean, you know, I, I don't like the way campaign finance works. I don't think you should be able to self-fund that much for a race. And, you know, I understand that there's some good arguments to make that you can self-fund, you know, over what the individual limit is. But, but to that extent, I mean, it's, you know, it truly creates a, a donor class of politicians. And like, that's just, I don't think that's what we want as American people. And, and it's, it's up, but it's up to voters in the end to decide. It's up to voters to see through that. And, you know, I always encourage, go out and do your research. You know, just, just do enough to go on the websites of each candidate and get a feel for who they are. Watch them, watch their videos, see how they speak, see how they would represent you, see how they would articulate your values.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  You know, we put up YouTube videos all the time. You can always watch me in interviews. You know, we're coming or listen to podcasts, listen to Jocko's podcast. And, you know, because, because you want people to get to know you. And you need to be out there with folks. You need to be meeting people everywhere you go. And that's how we won. You know, that's how we built that connection with the voter. That's how we built momentum, just getting out and meeting people and inspiring them and connecting with them. That's, that's, that's still works and we proved that.

• 57:23Jocko Willink?

  That's one of the things that you did while your opponents were spending a bunch of money. You put on your, uh, running shoes.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:29Jocko Willink?

  And ran through your entire district.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Right. I did. I limped a lot of the way too. Cause, uh, we talked about over-preparing. Well, sometimes you can under-prepare. And, uh, when you're running a campaign, there's not a lot of time to get your running in. And so I started that 100 mile run and, um, it was going well. You know, so, and I want to back up a little bit. We, we planned this a while out and it was going to be five days, run across the whole district, really show that dedication. I want to, I want to get on the ground. I want to show the dedication to every inch of this district. And, um, with, with whatever publicity. We get out of it, we're gonna use it for a good cause. And we set up a GoFundMe account, it's still active if you want to donate to it. It's GoFundMe.com/rebuildhoustonwithdancrenschaw. And that money goes to three particular volunteer groups that I was able to identify and vet

• 58:17Speaker 01

  that are still out there every day rebuilding people's homes. Because that, I mean, that is still going on. I always try to let everybody know, if you're a contractor, if you've got any expertise, please come volunteer in Houston. We are backed up. And to, you know, it is, it is tough to find a contractor these days, even if people have the money to pay for it, they still can't get any availability. The demand is so high that the prices have gone way through the roof. We need more people there, nationwide. So, you know, please come to Houston, there's work for you, and there's good work. And there's a lot left to do and people need it. So, and these volunteer groups are out doing it. You know, for five, $7,000, between five and $7,000, they can rebuild a whole home, because all their labor's free, right? It's volunteers, and they, they do a great job, and they're working in a lot of these neighborhoods where, where individuals just can't do it themselves.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  And it was, it was, it was just great to see that. A lot of church affiliated groups, always out there helping. And, um, you know, it makes you proud to be a Texan, it makes you proud to be an American. So, we finished that run, you know, by, by day three, I was certainly limping through most of it. Changed out my shoes, day five, we're, we're running pretty well again, but, um, it was tough, and it was, but it was, it was fun, it was great, it was a great experience. See people honking at you, maybe because you're in their way, maybe because, maybe because they're supporting you, I don't know. But, uh, I mean, it was just, it was, it was a pretty incredible experience, uh, to see the supporters out there, to see, just, you know, it was, it was great. We went, and that was, that was when early voting started.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  It was, uh, we voted on day one of that run. And, uh, and, and, and, you know, two weeks later on election day, we, we wrapped it up, and it was, it was a good night, it was a, we're on pins and needles, it wasn't until 2:00 AM that we knew that we'd actually come, that come into second place by 155 votes. So if you think anybody says their vote doesn't count, doesn't matter, that's wrong. It truly matters. I mean, every single vote mattered. I can't thank every volunteer enough. Can't thank every supporter enough because a lot of people went out and they maybe got 10 votes here and there, or maybe 100 votes here and there. You know, individuals were able to do that and put us over the top because they believed in the message, they believed in our candidacy, and it was just, you know, it's humbling. And it's almost, you feel

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  a weight of responsibility when people put their trust in you like that, as you should feel it, because you don't want to disappoint them. You know, you can't let your supporters down. And I truly feel that way about every vote.

• 1:00:41Jocko Willink?

  So what's, so what's next right now?

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Well...

• 1:00:45Jocko Willink?

  It's the runoff.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  It's the runoff. It's just me and Kevin Roberts. And, um, just, you know, it's May 22nd, early voting starts again a couple of weeks before that, and it's a lot of the same. You know, we, we, we stick to the basics, we professionalize our organization, uh, we ask for more money. Please donate at CrenshawforCongress.com. And, and we, and we, we move ahead.

• 1:01:07Jocko Willink?

  That's actually real, though. Like, you, you kind of, you kind of joke about it, and I know you're like, like most good human beings, you feel uncomfortable saying, hey, give me some money. But the reality is, for you to take this to the next level, that you need, you need money. And, and so when you say that kind of jokingly, that the reality is, if you don't get that money, it's going to be really hard to swing an upset.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:31Jocko Willink?

  And so, so that's, what's the, what's the website?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  It's CrenshawforCongress.com. C-R-E-N-S-H-A-W-F-O-R-Congress.com. You can donate there, you can check out the candidacy there, you know, see our interviews, see our YouTube videos, our commercials, my bio, everything. It's all in one spot. Follow us on Facebook. Uh, we've got a pretty exciting social media presence. That's how we get a lot of our word out, because, you know, it's cheap and it hits the right people. So, CrenshawforCongress.com. And, you know, that money, we spend it wisely. It, it doesn't go to anything silly. It's, you know, we, we need it to, to send mail to, to voters, you know, to get our message out. We need it to put out radio ads. We need it to buy t-shirts for volunteers and to buy yard signs, so that people can put them in their yards and create that upwelling of support, uh, where everybody's got a Dan Crenshaw sign. Now, that's, that's how we

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  do it. And, um, it's, it's, but it's, we work our butts off, I promise you that. We work for... We work for every vote out there and I truly believe that's how it should be. And that's how it'd be in Congress.

• 1:02:33Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, that's awesome. And I know you're on a kind of a time schedule today and I know you've got some other things that you want to do here while you're out here in sunny.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Sunny.

• 1:02:45Jocko Willink?

  San Diego, which isn't too sunny today. But I think we just hit everything of how people can best support your cause and obviously I'm in Crenshaw for Congress. On Twitter, you're Dan Crenshaw, Texas, T-X.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:03:04Jocko Willink?

  So, at Dan Crenshaw, T-X. And then on Facebook, it's pretty easy to find you. It's just Dan Crenshaw.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, Dan Crenshaw for Congress, at Crenshaw for Congress. It's pretty easy.

• 1:03:14Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I just searched Dan Crenshaw and you pop right up. So, that's, uh, that's it. Well, you know, obviously, I just want to say before you take off, thanks for your service. Thanks for your sacrifice for this great country. Thanks for what you've done, for what you're doing, and thank you for what you are going to do. And appreciate everything.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Appreciate that, Jocko. You know, the service isn't over. You know, we find our purpose, we find our new mission, and this is it for me. You know, it's helping Texans. It's giving Texans a representative I think they can be proud of. We are so often just disgruntled and ashamed of our politicians and we don't really think they're working on our behalf because we don't always elect people who truly put service before self. And, you know, part of this campaign is convincing those that we do have a future. And we do have a future of leaders that will attract people to conservative values and keep those values alive. And again, give us a leader that we can be proud of.

• 1:04:21Jocko Willink?

  Awesome. Well, I think they'll definitely find that with you. Thanks for coming on and

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  It's an honor to be here.

• 1:04:27Jocko Willink?

  Until you come back on, once you get the W, once you get the win, come back on and you can explain to us where you're going from there.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Tell you how we did it. Get out and vote, May 22nd, everybody.

• 1:04:39Jocko Willink?

  Thanks, Dan. Thanks for coming on.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:04:42Jocko Willink?

  So, Dan has left the studio. But he's also left some very good ways to support him and what he's doing. And

• 1:04:56Jocko Willink?

  Echo Charles?

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:57Jocko Willink?

  Speaking of support.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:00Jocko Willink?

  Maybe you could tell the troops

• 1:05:05Jocko Willink?

  how they can support this cause.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Sure, if they want.

• 1:05:09Jocko Willink?

  If, of course, if they want. And, and while they're supporting this cause, also support themselves.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Support themselves, yeah.

• 1:05:15Jocko Willink?

  Which is important.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  If, if they want, you know?

• 1:05:17Jocko Willink?

  Did you hear what I just said?

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, very important.

• 1:05:19Jocko Willink?

  I said important.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you said it correct.

• 1:05:21Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Two Ts in that one, for sure.

• 1:05:23Jocko Willink?

  Normally, there's no Ts in it for me.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:26Jocko Willink?

  Important.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Kind of like the British accent, sometimes they don't say the Ts too, and sometimes they say them really solid. You know? Like they say, snap back to reality. They don't say the T. Reality. Or reality. When they say it. Nonetheless, back to support. Yeah, if you want to support, support your joints.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  This is how you support your joints, if you don't know already. Jocko's supplements, good supplements. Krill oil, super krill, Jocko's super krill oil and joint warfare. Supplements for your joints, maintain them. Also, discipline. Pre-workout, pre-mission cognitive enhancer plus physical

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  enhancer.

• 1:06:16Jocko Willink?

  Force multiplier.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Force multiplier.

• 1:06:20Jocko Willink?

  There's layers.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, fully. Yeah, you know, it's like a blend, it's a good blend.

• 1:06:25Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  Um, I am running low on the krill oil. I did not take my own advice for the re-subscription. Yeah, so I had to manually get some more, but hey, man. That's life sometimes. Uh, if you want to get on the subscription thing, re-up every, what is it, month, right? Cause it's a month's supply.

• 1:06:44Jocko Willink?

  You can pick.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, however much you take, and that's the smart way to do it. Totally is.

• 1:06:49Jocko Willink?

  Joint Warfare too. Did you mention Joint Warfare?

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, fully. It's the one. I think the combo is the best way to go, for sure.

• 1:06:55Jocko Willink?

  Recommend the combo.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Nonetheless, you get them at originmaine.com. Good way to support and support yourself, that's a big one. Also at originmaine.com, there are geez and rash guards for your jujitsu journey. If you have chosen. Or will choose to go on that jujitsu journey. There's no reason why not.

• 1:07:14Jocko Willink?

  You should go on the jujitsu journey. And if you're gonna ask, what if I'm small, big, large, overweight, underweight, old, young, the answer is, start jujitsu.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Jocko Willink?

  How do you get in shape for jujitsu? Jujitsu.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:29Jocko Willink?

  That's what you do.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, Tim, Tim always says like, oh, you know, he's been out of the jujitsu for a long time, Tim Ford.

• 1:07:35Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  And he'll be like, well, okay, yeah, I gotta get back in shape to go.

• 1:07:41Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  You're looking at the wrong way, man.

• 1:07:42Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, you go back to jujitsu. The jujitsu gets you in shape. You'll be, you'll be fine.

• 1:07:47Jocko Willink?

  You're gonna suffer.

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  You can suffer a little bit, but.

• 1:07:50Jocko Willink?

  Might even suffer a lot.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Eh, probably a lot, yeah.

• 1:07:52Jocko Willink?

  It's hard, gotta be hard mentally for a guy like Timbo because he's a purple belt.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:58Jocko Willink?

  And so he's gonna come and get beat by some white belts. I mean, not white belts, by some blue belts.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Jocko Willink?

  Some blue belts, because you know, some blue belts, they bring it.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they can, and they can keep bringing it, especially if they've been in there.

• 1:08:08Jocko Willink?

  Because they got the kaddish.

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes. So Tim would be like, come back and then, and it adds that level of anxiety because you know, when you feel yourself well, you probably don't know this, but if you feel yourself gassing and you're like, shoot, I knew I was gonna gas, now you're really gassing, now the anxiety goes up and you gas some more.

• 1:08:23Jocko Willink?

  Is that how it is?

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  He'd want to avoid all that stuff. That's what I think. But, you know, that's when you put all these weird expectations on yourself. That's my opinion in the jujitsu. So just go into jujitsu and learn jujitsu. And when you do, you're gonna want a gi, if you do gi, because you can do no gi as well. But when you choose a gi, I recommend. You recommend?

• 1:08:45Jocko Willink?

  I think there's only one recommendation.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:08:48Jocko Willink?

  In all seriousness, there's only one recommendation.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I've been through a lot of geese. I have a lot of gi experience. We'll say a significant amount of gi experience. And the origin gi has proven legitimately to be the best one, kind of by far too.

• 1:09:03Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  There's this one that I used to use. It's, that was good, was fine. And it was like, good.

• 1:09:09Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, there's a difference though. There's a difference between, oh, this gi's good.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Jocko Willink?

  And then you get an origin gi.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Jocko Willink?

  Right?

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, it's funny, like, you know how like when you get a new gi in Rashgar or whatever? And you're kind of fired up to go train because you got your new gi.

• 1:09:21Jocko Willink?

  Oh, like the new kid with the new shoes?

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  You know, it's that. It's that.

• 1:09:24Jocko Willink?

  Faster.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  That feeling didn't wear off like for a while.

• 1:09:28Jocko Willink?

  Did you feel that? Like when we rolled, when we were both wearing new origin geese?

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  I did.

• 1:09:33Jocko Willink?

  Were you fired up?

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like, yeah.

• 1:09:35Jocko Willink?

  Did you think maybe it was gonna be the day?

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  For the record, I always think.

• 1:09:42Jocko Willink?

  Do you always think it's gonna be the day?

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Always, yeah.

• 1:09:44Jocko Willink?

  Dang.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Because maybe one day there will be.

• 1:09:47Jocko Willink?

  You know what, I always think it's gonna be the day too.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Maybe it's not though, maybe it will, I don't know.

• 1:09:50Jocko Willink?

  Could be the day.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  Anyway. OriginMaine.com, get your gi there, when you choose to get a gi. There's compression gear too, rash guards, if you do no gi, there's rash guards there too, all made in America.

• 1:10:03Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, I was gonna say, all made in America.

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:05Jocko Willink?

  Which, like it's no big deal, no, it's a huge deal.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Jocko Willink?

  It's a huge deal, made in America, in Maine, in our factory, by awesome workers.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  And it's not the kind where.

• 1:10:16Jocko Willink?

  By crafts.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Craftspeople.

• 1:10:18Jocko Willink?

  Crafts, craftsmen.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Crafts person.

• 1:10:20Jocko Willink?

  Craftspeople.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  People, man, they're.

• 1:10:22Jocko Willink?

  Some of them are females.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Jocko Willink?

  But they're craftsmen.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Jocko Willink?

  Men doesn't mean you're a man, it means you're a human.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:30Jocko Willink?

  As far as I know.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  Like, modern man, like mankind?

• 1:10:34Jocko Willink?

  Mankind.

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, there you go, so craftsmankind, craftsmankind. Nonetheless, all made in America, yes, and that is a big deal, and it's not the kind where it's like, yeah, let's import all our things, or whatever, and then we'll quote unquote make it in America, where you tick the one checkbox that it's like, yeah, technically it's made in, it's not that kind. It's the kind where they grow the cotton in America. They, what do they do after they grow the cotton, they harvest?

• 1:11:00Jocko Willink?

  They harvest the cotton, they, they, well, they dye the cotton, then they weave the cotton, yeah, there's a whole bunch of steps, all done in America.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Jocko Willink?

  Blend the cotton, because it's not just cotton, it's an athletic, that's one of the problems with the old gi's. They're all made just with, with cotton, they're like, like crap.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Jocko Willink?

  And then, why would you not get modern technology? Well, why? Because they don't have, they don't do jujitsu, where they're making the gi's.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Jocko Willink?

  Now.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  So like little issues that come up in jujitsu, just little ones? Or big ones, or whatever, when they come up in jujitsu?

• 1:11:34Jocko Willink?

  You put a, you put a Origin Gi in the dryer, it's dry like quick.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:40Jocko Willink?

  And, because it's not all cotton.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:44Jocko Willink?

  Because if you remember in the teams, cotton kills.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:11:48Jocko Willink?

  Cotton kills, because it gets wet, and then it's heavy, and makes you cold.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Jams you up.

• 1:11:53Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, it doesn't dry quick enough.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Jocko Willink?

  Get the blend going.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:57Jocko Willink?

  Then you're good to go.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  There's all kinds of different weaves too, which is cool. Nonetheless, go to OriginMaine.com, you can check out whichever one you want, hey, if you want something, get something. Also.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  What you wanna do is go to the immersion camp if you want. So Jiu Jitsu immersion camp, it's not like a training camp for ADCC.

• 1:12:18Jocko Willink?

  No, it's an educational experience.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like you immerse yourself in.

• 1:12:23Jocko Willink?

  That you can modulate to the level of your personal commitment to getting after it.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:12:33Jocko Willink?

  So some people will be there and they're gonna be really sore every day. Cause they're gonna be getting after it hard. Some people are gonna be brain, their brain's gonna be more sore than their body because they're gonna be more looking at it from the education that they're gonna have of learning new moves and techniques.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:49Jocko Willink?

  So that's what's cool about the immersion camp.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Or some of us, nothing's gonna be sore because maybe it'll be sore for a little while and then we're just gonna cruise a little bit, exercise the brain more and then the butt.

• 1:13:00Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, go back and forth.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Do whatever you like. Yeah, and there's a lot to go on and it's kinda fun too, that's the thing.

• 1:13:05Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, it's cool to hang out with just a bunch of people that are gonna do Jiu Jitsu for seven days.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then they get like five tons of lobster.

• 1:13:13Jocko Willink?

  And you don't have to stay there the whole time. Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a first part and a second part. You know, it's like the first few days and then you can do the second few days and then you can do all of them if you want. So August 26th through September 2nd.

• 1:13:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:27Jocko Willink?

  We're gonna be there. You know who else is going? No big deal, Dave Burke.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:32Jocko Willink?

  Dave Burke's got the bug. Do you know that?

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:35Jocko Willink?

  Oh, he's got the bug.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, he'll call me for just like verbal advice.

• 1:13:38Jocko Willink?

  Oh, he'd be texting me about, uh, about like guard passing.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, like positions.

• 1:13:43Jocko Willink?

  I'm like, oh, really?

• 1:13:46Jocko Willink?

  Hey, let's do it. Let's communicate about guard passing via text.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, amen.

• 1:13:51Jocko Willink?

  You know what he's catching people with? Americana.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:55Jocko Willink?

  And it's an interesting conversation because, you know, he says, oh, well, the Americana is like what I use the most right now. And, and I told him like the Americana is actually not a really effective move, right? Against anyone that has trained for a little bit.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:14:11Jocko Willink?

  Purple belt, you're not gonna, you might catch a blue belt in an Americana. Purple belt, probably not gonna happen. I did catch a black belt in Americana the other day and, and it was like shame.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Right, like, ah, I gotta cut with Americana.

• 1:14:24Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and this, this particular black belt was like shame. He hung his head in shame. He was like, he goes Americana.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:32Jocko Willink?

  But I explained to Dave.

• 1:14:35Jocko Willink?

  The reason that the Americana is effective for him right now, the most effective, I'm like, is it the first submission that you learned? Yes, it is. So he's practiced it the most and he's figured out all the little nuanced things that you have to do right in order to make the move, a move work and the Americana work.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:14:54Jocko Willink?

  So he's figured out some of those things because he's tried it a bunch. Even when he missed it, he learned something. He didn't even know he learned something, but he learned something. So he keeps trying and he got good with it. So he's good at the Americana.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:15:07Jocko Willink?

  He's not going against people that know how to defend it yet, which is going to be problematic. So you got it, you got to, that's what happens.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  But isn't that part of the whole learning process though? Because the same thing, I mean, remember when, I mean, I'm assuming you had similar experience where, yeah, you do Americana's and you'd get them.

• 1:15:24Jocko Willink?

  Oh, I did certain moves for years, like, like, like for, when I first started, my first good move was the Ezekiel. In fact, I used to call it the easy kill.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  The easy kill, yeah. That's what I thought it was.

• 1:15:38Jocko Willink?

  That was one of, but it was, I learned it like one of the first submissions I learned, and then I just tried it all the time and I got pretty good at it. Then you realize that it's not that hard to defend the Ezekiel. Eventually, when you start going against better guys, so then you got to move to the, I think the next move that I actually started doing a lot of was the Kimura. And I spent a couple of years at Kimura. And then I spent a couple of years at Crucifix. Then I spent a couple of years at the straight foot lock, then, you know, so, and you're just getting good at those positions.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's how.

• 1:16:04Jocko Willink?

  But Dave Burke, back to my point, he's coming, he's coming to the camp.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:09Jocko Willink?

  And you know who else is, oh, we'll see who else is going to come. We'll see if, we'll see if Leif.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:14Jocko Willink?

  I don't know if, you know, we all have to work.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:16:17Jocko Willink?

  I blocked this off though.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:19Jocko Willink?

  Which is sweet.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really good fun. So yeah.

• 1:16:22Jocko Willink?

  Cool.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  Go man. If you can make that, make that. Uh, what's the date on them again?

• 1:16:27Jocko Willink?

  August 26th through September 2nd. Oh yeah, and if you want to, if you do want to come, you can go to originmaine.com and you go to Emergent Camp and you can sign up. You can come and hang out. Eat lobster if you like lobster.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you like lobster.

• 1:16:39Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. Hang out in Maine. Visit our factory.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:16:44Jocko Willink?

  Which is awesome.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  I think you can go like paddling, stand up paddling.

• 1:16:48Jocko Willink?

  Stand up paddle boarding and stuff.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, all kinds of stuff.

• 1:16:52Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  Also, good way to support yourself if you choose to vary up your workout. Make it a little less boring.

• 1:17:01Jocko Willink?

  You always make it sound like I do these boring workouts and I just realized I've been taking that abuse for for quite some time. My workouts are not boring, in fact.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  They're boring and and hard, so.

• 1:17:12Jocko Willink?

  They're hard, yeah.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  So here's the thing, where boring is like just a complete matter of opinion, you know? So to me, if you're gonna do twenty rep squats.

• 1:17:25Jocko Willink?

  Bruh.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  Rest, twenty reps, rest, twenty reps until you're like, that's kinda boring and.

• 1:17:33Jocko Willink?

  Have you ever done it before?

• 1:17:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:36Jocko Willink?

  You've done that workout?

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Not your exact one, but yeah, I did do twenty rep squats some, in fact.

• 1:17:42Jocko Willink?

  Have you ever done twenty rep squats that you can only squat ten times?

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Well, that's physically impossible, but.

• 1:17:48Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Yes, it is. If you can only do it ten times, you can only do it ten times. If you can do it twenty times, you can do it twenty times.

• 1:17:54Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  That's it. That's not how it works.

• 1:17:56Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  Alright, Brad, hey, look, take my word for it.

• 1:17:58Jocko Willink?

  You can physically do it ten times, mentally you do it twenty times.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:18:02Jocko Willink?

  And you do it twenty times.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  So you imagine you do it twenty times. Okay, so look, if you can physically do it ten times, that, I guess technically you're right. And I don't wanna, no, no, listen, I don't wanna split hairs, but you're still not right. If you can do it ten times, but you can do it twenty times, because look, if you can do something twenty times, you can do it ten times. So yes, but what you're saying is something that you, you know, max out at ten times. The weight you use to max out at ten times, you do it twenty times, physically impossible.

• 1:18:32Jocko Willink?

  Mentally impossible, apparently for Echo.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Oh, man, see, anyway, back to the workout.

• 1:18:37Jocko Willink?

  Maybe that's where them skinny knees come from.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  No, Brad.

• 1:18:44Jocko Willink?

  Maybe, maybe. Maybe.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Anyway, if you wanna vary up the workout, go to onnit.com slash Jocko. Get some cool kettlebells.

• 1:18:53Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Get some battle ropes. Get a mace. Get two maces, a heavier one and a lighter one. Boom.

• 1:19:00Jocko Willink?

  See, I have these things and I use them. So my, my workouts are interesting.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  Alright, well, there you go. You have an interesting workout. Well, do it that way. That's what I, that's what I would, would, what do you say? Suggest.

• 1:19:12Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  Anyway, go there, onnit.com. Good stuff on there. Don't get addicted to the website, cuz there's a lot of good information too on there. Cuz you could. Nonetheless, also, good way to support. When you get the books that Jocko sometimes reviews on this podcast, I organize, or we organize them on jacopodcast.com. Click on the top to the books from the, from the episode. I got all the books listed there. Including little articles that, you know how sometimes you'll cover an article?

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  I'll list those on there too.

• 1:19:43Jocko Willink?

  How much research would you have to do if you knew nothing about this podcast? Or me? How much research would you have to do to figure out that

• 1:19:54Jocko Willink?

  we read books on the podcast? And that they're all on jacopodcast.com? The reason I ask this is because I've had, I've had people ask me on social media like a week ago. Like on Twitter, like, "Do you like to read?"

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Jocko Willink?

  Right? Like, that's a cra- you don't have to dig very deep.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:20:16Jocko Willink?

  To, to know that answer.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:18Jocko Willink?

  Right? "Do you like to read?" Right? That this is a really low-level question. That doesn't take a whole lot of research to figure out.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Jocko Willink?

  Right?

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:30Jocko Willink?

  I guess, is that laziness?

• 1:20:33Jocko Willink?

  Or is it like, hey, this guy seems pretty accessible. I'm just gonna ask him. There he is. I wonder if this guy likes to read.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  I don't think, the likelihood of it being laziness, because obviously it's gonna be different for different people. But the likelihood of it being laziness is pretty low, I think. I don't think it's laziness at all. I think it would be a mix or one of these things. Yeah, they just wanna ask you a question that, that, you know, that you're gonna have an answer to.

• 1:20:59Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Or, or maybe they're just new. Or maybe they know you from Extreme Ownership. And, you know, I know you wrote this cool book. Hey, do you like to read in general, kinda thing? Maybe they don't listen to your, you know, the podcast.

• 1:21:12Jocko Willink?

  Being too judgmental on my part.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  If you're, if you're jumping to that conclusion that it's laziness, or dumb question.

• 1:21:18Jocko Willink?

  Do you like to read?

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:20Jocko Willink?

  Like, we literally have a podcast about books that we read.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:24Jocko Willink?

  And, and then people say, do you have a list of books? Do you rec, do you have any books you recommend?

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:31Jocko Willink?

  Do you have a book list? Do you have a reading list? These are all things I get asked on a regular basis.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  Is, is this kinda like the time I ask you, hey, do you know of any gun ranges? And you said, yeah, Google, go on Google and search gun rages, kinda like that?

• 1:21:45Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel the same tone. Here's the thing, you never really know when people are coming in the game. You don't know what, you know, what their deal is, or where they're coming from. So, yeah, like, maybe, or maybe, maybe they just heard you on Tim Ferriss or Joe Rogan. And was like, boom, this guy's super interesting. Let me go straight to him and start talking to him, kinda thing, or start asking questions. Rather than going on the internet, let me research who this guy is and what he likes and doesn't like to do, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

• 1:22:14Jocko Willink?

  Am I lazy in the fact that when I wanna know something, I'll Google it?

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  No, that's not lazy.

• 1:22:20Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  I don't, yeah, no, that's not, I don't think so.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  As opposed to what?

• 1:22:27Jocko Willink?

  I don't know, saying...

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Going to school and studying at first?

• 1:22:30Jocko Willink?

  Well, no, I guess that's another thing.

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  I guess that would be the, you know, alternative. Nonetheless, if you are feeling not lazy, actually, this has nothing to do with laziness, because this is more a convenience that I think would be benefi- or I thought would be beneficial for people who are looking for the books that you cover. And ways to get them. That's why I organize these books on TalkAboutGass.com.

• 1:22:53Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  The website.

• 1:22:54Jocko Willink?

  They're all there.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  They're all there by episode.

• 1:22:56Jocko Willink?

  And by chance, they're kind of in order of preference, in order of the way you, almost the way you should read them. Maybe I'd have to shift some of them now.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:05Jocko Willink?

  I should put them in a different order, because there's some books that I read again, I was like, man, this should be, this should be near the top. I mean, About Face is the number, is the number one.

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:12Jocko Willink?

  Right, you should read that book first.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Jocko Willink?

  People ask me that all the time.

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  Well, what, what's your favorite?

• 1:23:17Jocko Willink?

  I've already read Extreme Ownership. Is there another book you recommend I read? Well, and I've read all your books.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:23Jocko Willink?

  What book should I read next? About Face by Colonel David Hackworth.

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's like your main one?

• 1:23:28Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. So anyways.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, makes sense. I mean, I organize them by episode.

• 1:23:33Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  So the most recent episode.

• 1:23:34Jocko Willink?

  Right.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  With book.

• 1:23:35Jocko Willink?

  But if you go back to episode one, which there's no book, but two, there's a book. And if you go in that order of reading, that's a good progression to get through the books properly.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  I understand, I'm just saying. Gotcha. So if you, if you, if you want to read your book, Jocko's book list.

• 1:23:49Jocko Willink?

  In order of importance.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  In order of importance, you go in chronological order per podcast.

• 1:23:54Jocko Willink?

  Yes.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  With books.

• 1:23:56Jocko Willink?

  That's recommended.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Because not all podcasts have books.

• 1:23:58Jocko Willink?

  That's recommended.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  Cool, well, there it is. Again, just click on the books and boom, takes you there, boom. Click through there, get your book. Easy way, good way to support, takes you to Amazon, all good. Continue shopping if you feel the need to, like if you're shopping for Valentine's Day. No, that already passed. What's the next one? Easter.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Carry on.

• 1:24:18Jocko Willink?

  Easter gifts.

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:24:20Jocko Willink?

  Good.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Those chocolate Easter bunnies and the, and the eggs, you know, you, you go Easter egg hunting, right?

• 1:24:27Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Jocko Willink?

  Well, my kids do.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:24:30Jocko Willink?

  Well, my youngest kid does.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:24:33Jocko Willink?

  My other kids don't care.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, makes sense.

• 1:24:36Jocko Willink?

  You know, they're older.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  After a while, you kind of figure it out, kind of. Still fun though, can be. Nonetheless, click through, that's a good way to support. Also, subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already. Uh, leave a review. If you're in the mood, leave a review. Here's the thing, I'm not saying, hey, leave a review. I'm not saying to leave a review. But I think sometimes people, they want to leave a review, but they don't like, think about it, you know? And then, one, let's say I get reminded, like, oh shoot, I want to leave a review. And I get reminded, like, boom, then I'm gonna go leave a review. That's a good one.

• 1:25:07Jocko Willink?

  I read all the reviews.

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Jocko Willink?

  And I've read them on the podcast before when they're really funny, or I've quoted them on social media.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:16Jocko Willink?

  So, there's that too.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:18Jocko Willink?

  If you write an awesome review, well, it doesn't have to be awesome, but if it's funny, or it's good, or it's, uh, creative. What's the, that's what I should have said. If it's a creative, uh, review. There's been some really good ones. Same thing with, uh, Amazon reviews for tea and books and whatnot. There's a lot of people that get after it.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  They get colorful, for sure. I wouldn't say colorful.

• 1:25:40Jocko Willink?

  They put la, the main thing is, layers. They put a lot of layers in there, so, yeah.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Some people are real good at the layers. Very impressed with that, on many levels.

• 1:25:50Jocko Willink?

  I see what you did.

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  Nonetheless, subscribe if you, uh, you know, if you want to support that way, that's a good way. Thanks for the people who have subscribed. That's, that's, that's a good, good deal.

• 1:25:59Jocko Willink?

  It's much appreciated.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  Big deal. Also on YouTube, subscribe to that if you want. If you like the video version of this podcast, or if you want to watch and/or share excerpts of this podcast. Three minutes, one minute sometimes.

• 1:26:12Jocko Willink?

  You haven't made any one minute ones.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Six minutes sometime.

• 1:26:15Jocko Willink?

  You should make some one minute ones.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:26:17Jocko Willink?

  That'd be good. The one you just made is good.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 1:26:20Jocko Willink?

  The.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  Time is running out. Yeah, that's like a what do you call it? Did we settle on a name?

• 1:26:26Jocko Willink?

  Enhanced.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  I think it's called Enhanced. Excerpt.

• 1:26:30Jocko Willink?

  Enhanced excerpts, which means that Echo has gone and put his cinematic flair.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  No, I would say I put some music on it and I put some text on it. There it is, boom, just enhance, it's enhanced a little bit, that's all.

• 1:26:43Jocko Willink?

  Cinematic flair there.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, alright, well, there it is, there's some of those on there.

• 1:26:47Jocko Willink?

  That video, by the way, no big deal. I, I, when I got to the gym today. Carl. He's like, hey.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  Carl Santiago.

• 1:26:55Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, Carl. He says, hey, I saw you on World Star.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  World, that's when you knew you made it.

• 1:27:03Jocko Willink?

  We made it.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Straight up, popular culture, yeah.

• 1:27:05Jocko Willink?

  Popular culture, we're on World Star. World Star. If you don't know what World Star is, it originally was for fights. That's what I knew it for.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's how, I think that's how it gained.

• 1:27:17Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  I think it was for like.

• 1:27:19Jocko Willink?

  Scraps.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  It was for, it was for like music videos, I think. Hip hop, music videos and stuff like that, then you get, you know, all this stuff.

• 1:27:26Jocko Willink?

  I would watch it because they, because people would film street fights. And I like to watch street fights. You can learn a lot from street fights. And what's funny is it became such a popular culture thing that when people would be recording the fights that they're gonna then put on World Star, they would be saying World Star.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Star, yeah.

• 1:27:41Jocko Willink?

  During the fight, someone would be filming and saying, World Star, this is going on World Star.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:45Jocko Willink?

  Well, now guess what's on World Star? Echo's video. We made it.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Jocko's on World Star, World Star, dang, that's good, nonetheless.

• 1:27:55Jocko Willink?

  Cross cultural boundaries.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:59Jocko Willink?

  Hey, World Star.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  World Star.

• 1:28:00Jocko Willink?

  Make it happen.

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did, hundred percent. Uh, but yeah, YouTube, you know, subscribe to that.

• 1:28:06Jocko Willink?

  Tell my people at World Star, thanks for putting me on there.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was good, that is good.

• 1:28:11Jocko Willink?

  Awesome.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  So, yeah, YouTube, good one, good way to support. Also, Jocko has a store, it's called Jocko Store, obviously. jockostore.com, obviously. That's where you can get shirts, t-shirts, some travel mugs on there, some rash guards, more rash guards. This is like Jocko gear rash guards. So, compared to, how would you compare them to the origin? Cause actually.

• 1:28:34Jocko Willink?

  They're made by Origin.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're similar. They're, you know, it's kinda, they're more like geared toward like, toward like Jocko.

• 1:28:40Jocko Willink?

  Well, let's, yeah, let's say this, that from a, from a visual perspective, there's a way that Jocko gear looks, and there's a way that Origin gear looks. There's some areas that overlap. There's some areas that don't overlap. Some of the, let's call them color combinations that my brother, Pete Roberts puts together, they wouldn't be allowed in the Jocko store. They wouldn't be Jocko gear. And there's some things that Jocko gear does that wouldn't be appropriate for Origin, because Origin is a little bit in the other direction. The overlapping areas, all good.

• 1:29:22Jocko Willink?

  But if you want your gear made in America, there's one place to get it done right. That's our factory up in Maine.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  True story. So yeah, boom, you can get rash guards there as well, uh, some patches. Those are restocked. A lot of people were hitting me up, that's why, for patches.

• 1:29:38Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. It's weird that people have to hit you up that you just don't pay attention to the stock and say, well, running low, I should order more.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:46Jocko Willink?

  Maybe it's not that important to you.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  No, no, no, it's important. So, I got a handle on it, and I think I have a solid system where, you know, we're gonna run into way less of that, if any, of that type of situation. Some women's stuff on there, some hats.

• 1:29:59Jocko Willink?

  Cause it does mean a lot to me. Just, I'm saying. So maybe I should be more, I should do a better job of expressing how important it is to me for people if they want patches, to be able to get one.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Jocko Willink?

  Maybe I haven't, I, I obviously haven't done a good job.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's your fault. It's your fault.

• 1:30:14Jocko Willink?

  It is.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  So yeah, jockostore.com, that's a good, good, good way to support. Also, Psychological Warfare. If you don't know what that is, that's an album. An album. Not a music album, it's a, it's a.

• 1:30:27Jocko Willink?

  Spoken word.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  Spoken word. With tracks, Jocko tracks, and each track is designated, formulated, engineered. It's engineered is what it is. To help you through little points of weakness that you might run into on your campaign against weakness. Like if you wanna skip, I, I always say, if you wanna skip the workout, if you're like, hey, I'm too tired, I don't feel like it, I don't feel like it.

• 1:30:56Speaker 02

  I start with that one because that's essentially why this whole thing exists. Because that, that was the issue.

• 1:31:02Jocko Willink?

  That was the genesis of this album.

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:05Jocko Willink?

  Was Echo questioning how he could overcome these moments of weakness, or how I do. And then I just kind of answered one of them and he said, "Did we record those things?"

• 1:31:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what's funny is that I asked you that before and it wasn't that specific question, but it was essentially that question and be like, "Hey, what do you do?" And then you, you kind of gave me a look and more like as if your feelings don't matter kind of thing. You basically pulled the jock and it was like, "Does it matter if you feel like it or not?"

• 1:31:32Jocko Willink?

  I got asked this the other day. I got asked this similar. You know, someone said, "Hey, can you tell us a little bit more about your morning routine? Like what you, like, so you know, you got, I know you got up early, but can you tell us more about your morning routine?" I was like, "Yeah, listen, my morning routine is extremely, extremely important. So here's, here's the steps of the Jocko morning routine. First of all, you set your alarm clock. You set all your alarm clocks. You set the first one at 4:30, you set the next one at 4:35, you set the next one at 4:40, and you have your backups. By the way, you don't set your backups at the same time because you don't want to be fumbling around with three alarm clocks in the morning.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  It's a good tip.

• 1:32:10Jocko Willink?

  Then you get done with that. Then when the alarm clock goes off, you get up, you get out of bed, then you go. And it's important that you get your toothbrush out. And then I brush, and then I use 46 brush strokes on each side of my mouth. And no more, no less. And then I spit three times into this, so yeah. I'm like, "Oh, here's the morning routine, dude. You get up and you go."

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, then again.

• 1:32:36Jocko Willink?

  No, I know, I know.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:39Jocko Willink?

  I know, but it's like, the reality is, is someone gonna write down my morning routine and then follow the exact same thing? And would that be good for him?

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:32:46Jocko Willink?

  I don't know. Well, he hears into their morning routine then. Get up. And go.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  Get up and get after it. Yeah, but here's like some people they they they focus on and this can be beneficial from from what I hear. They focus on or they identify certain things they do in a morning routine that helps them that like sets them up mentally or whatever.

• 1:33:06Jocko Willink?

  Morning routine and I've I actually wrote about in the in the in the field manual. It's like the the morning routine starts the night before.

• 1:33:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:14Jocko Willink?

  The morning routine starts when you get your gear ready because you don't want to be fumbling around in the morning. Don't wake, don't set yourself up to fumble around with things in the morning, right? That's just a bad thing. Don't do that. So you you have your gear ready. You know, for me, I'm I'm very systematic in pretty much.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, see what I'm saying?

• 1:33:32Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, exactly. And. But you you know, I have like all my workout gear is in the bathroom on hangers. You know, pair of shorts shirt on each hanger. There's like six of them. They're all the same. There's no thought process that's needed. They're all matching. And I have the same kind of socks. All my socks are the same. I do have black socks and white socks, but the one drawer is just completely white socks, all the same. You you grab those, you put those on, boom, you brush your teeth, boom, you take, I take my supplements in the morning and and at night, but I take my my krill oil and my my joint warfare, boom. And then I go hit it.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  How much water do you drink?

• 1:34:11Jocko Willink?

  It's it's I drink when I'm thirsty, I drink and then if I'm I don't measure it.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  So you don't be like, okay.

• 1:34:16Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  Mix it. Yeah, I dig it.

• 1:34:18Jocko Willink?

  I drink when I'm thirsty, eat when I'm hungry.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  But if you drink water when you're thirsty, you're already two percent dehydrated.

• 1:34:25Jocko Willink?

  Okay, well, I drink a little bit more. I drink about three percent more than.

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  All right, there you go. So you're one percent uh over over hydrated or hydrated within. Nonetheless, uh but well, you know how like I'll drink a whole thing like you know, the mugs that we have to travel that they're thirty ounces, by the way. I'll drink a whole thing of that. Just routine. That's kind of the routine, but.

• 1:34:47Jocko Willink?

  But like in the morning?

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:48Jocko Willink?

  You like you pound it?

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Sure, if you wanna call it pounding.

• 1:34:53Jocko Willink?

  Why do you do that? Cause you wanna stay hydrated?

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, but get the water back in there, man. Get, get it.

• 1:34:57Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  It's good for you. Water is good for you, by the way.

• 1:35:01Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  Better than soda in the morning. You ever drink a Coke in the morning?

• 1:35:04Jocko Willink?

  No.

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  Bro, it's like, it's the worst.

• 1:35:06Jocko Willink?

  We did these monster mashes in, back in the derbs. And so my son was doing a monster mash with us when he was like six or seven years old. A monster mash is like, you know, you do rope climbs, then you do a sprint.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, workout.

• 1:35:19Jocko Willink?

  Swim, and then you do pull-ups, and then you, and they put little, little things in there sometimes. So one of the things that they, they had to do was, uh, drink a Coke through a straw. So you're like doing pull-ups and a rope climb, and then they got a Coke.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  You told me this.

• 1:35:32Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and so he, uh, he, he, I think that was the first time he ever tried soda.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Jocko Willink?

  And he's like, "Buh, buh."

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can't do that.

• 1:35:38Jocko Willink?

  It was nasty.

• 1:35:39Speaker 02

  It's, well, there's, it's nasty.

• 1:35:41Jocko Willink?

  Cured him of wanting soda, though.

• 1:35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, the way, the, there's two elements to drinking a soda, especially for the first time, is, okay, it tastes weird.

• 1:35:49Jocko Willink?

  Sweet, sugary, and carbonated.

• 1:35:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, the carbonated will burn your mind. It feels like it's burning your mouth.

• 1:35:54Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  So, yeah, you can't do that, you kid. It's messed up right in the middle of the workout, too.

• 1:35:58Jocko Willink?

  Check.

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  Don't do that. But you, keep in mind, you just described your morning routine. You answered the question that they were asking. You just answered it.

• 1:36:05Jocko Willink?

  And that's why I said, look, I'm not trying to be negative against morning routines.

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:09Jocko Willink?

  And there's pretty much what I do, but the, the reason is, I think people think, oh, if I have, if I knew your morning routine, then I'd know what the secret is.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:19Jocko Willink?

  It's like, hey, man, the secret is get up and go do something. That's the secret.

• 1:36:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:23Jocko Willink?

  I'm not gonna, here's the deal. Here's the deal. I'm not gonna sell you my morning routine as the solution to your problems. Now, I will say that if you fumble around in the morning, it's gonna cause you problems throughout the day, so don't fumble around in the morning. Set your, set your life up correctly, so that you're not fumbling around.

• 1:36:39Speaker 02

  That's good. I'm not gonna sell you my morning routine as the solution to your problems.

• 1:36:44Jocko Willink?

  Yes, I'm not gonna do that, but I will say that if you do have a good... System that you go through in the morning, it will set up your day correctly.

• 1:36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's why I think people ask.

• 1:36:57Jocko Willink?

  That's why people want it and I get it. Okay, so I'm not trying to be like a jerk, right? I'm not trying to be that negative. I guess I'm kind of making fun of morning.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're making fun.

• 1:37:04Jocko Willink?

  I'm making fun of morning routines a little bit, but at the same time, I have one and I, and I stick to it.

• 1:37:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think what you said makes sense.

• 1:37:10Jocko Willink?

  That's the thing. I don't, I don't actually have something and I stick to it. Like, I do, this is what it is. I follow the functional thing that works.

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  And you stick to it.

• 1:37:18Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and I stick to it. So that's, that, but I do, I didn't like design my morning routine, right? I didn't say, oh, I'm gonna design this perfectly. No, it's like, I know what works. It's functional and that's what I do. I do things that work.

• 1:37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, and everyone else wants to know what works.

• 1:37:33Jocko Willink?

  Okay, well, there you have it.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  Cause not everyone figured out on their own what works. So here's the thing. Your morning routine, you're, you're ultimately right, and I think this is the, it's super important not to forget or not to like misinterpret where, you know, you just, uh, the quote you just said, like, your morning routine's not gonna be the solution to your problems kind of thing. I think that's what people do think. I think that, that here, someone with a level head, in my opinion, I don't, I don't know, but this is what it seems like, where someone with a level head and they wanna look for just that, just, just that one, um, thing that's gonna help them just a little bit, you know? So they're gonna be like, hey, let me, let me formulate a good morning routine. I don't know that much about effective routines, so let me look into that, just as a little helper. Not the solution to my problems, which I think some people may kind of miss.

• 1:38:18Jocko Willink?

  No, you're right. And that's why, like I said, I'm not belittling the idea that a morning routine is helpful because it certainly is.

• 1:38:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:26Jocko Willink?

  It might add some, some tiny bit of help to your day.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, some benefits.

• 1:38:34Jocko Willink?

  If you're doing the right thing. Some benefits, thank you. It might benefit your day, which is positive. Will it cure your overall problems of life? No, but you know what? It's a good place to start. That's why we say wake up early, right?

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's part of the

• 1:38:48Jocko Willink?

  Part of the, part of the routine, so.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but even how you.

• 1:38:51Jocko Willink?

  I guess I am being a jerk.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, but here's the thing.

• 1:38:56Jocko Willink?

  Let me just like, like, yeah, get on a good morning routine. That's a good idea. I like it.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:01Jocko Willink?

  I'm not trying to make fun of it. I, I was, but I'm not anymore.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  It seems like you're making fun of it for people, cause this is what it maybe sounded like when someone asks you, what's your morning routine? It sounds like you, you're kinda with this presumption, like you're presuming or assuming that they think it's gonna solve all their problems. That's kinda what it sounded like. Yes, but in that very specific direction. Like if someone says, hey, look, I'm always looking for things to benefit my day, my effectiveness, you know, I've, you know, I do this and do that. And I found that this even helps a little bit here and there. Hey, what's your morning routine? Maybe I can incorporate one or more things of your routine maybe into mine. That'll give me a little bit of help too. I don't think you would've came off like that.

• 1:39:40Jocko Willink?

  Definitely, definitely. That would've been a very good question. I would've said, oh yeah, here's what I do. So there you go.

• 1:39:44Speaker 02

  So even how you said the question, like you were kinda impersonating the hypothetical person, you're like, what's your morning routine? Like making them sound all darky.

• 1:39:53Jocko Willink?

  Yes, sorry, sorry, sorry, everyone.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  No, no, it's all good. It's all good. We got to the bottom of it.

• 1:39:59Jocko Willink?

  Speaking of you drinking water, another drink you can drink is you can drink something called Jocko White Tea.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:40:05Jocko Willink?

  It's available on Amazon. Now, this is the only tea available, not only in America, but in the world that comes within eight thousand pound deadlift guarantee. So, there's no other tea. There's some out there that are, that are, they, they say six thousand. They say they can get you a six thousand pound deadlift. There's, I've seen, I've seen seventy two hundred, right? Seventy two, you see this, seventy two, some teas, some, some white teas say they'll get you seventy two hundred. There's only one white tea that'll get you the guaranteed eight thousand pound deadlift.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  Good. There's some layers on the tea, which I kinda remembered last time, but I didn't wanna interrupt, interrupt your, you, um, you talking. Is first episode of this podcast, absolute first one.

• 1:40:51Jocko Willink?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  I think the only one that doesn't start with, this is Jocko Podcast.

• 1:40:57Jocko Willink?

  That's cause you had a different vision of the podcast.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  At the time with, no, we, yeah. Nonetheless, it started with.

• 1:41:04Jocko Willink?

  You were thinking, you were thinking this podcast is gonna be a hundred percent cruising.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  That's what it felt like. That first one, that's what it felt like.

• 1:41:12Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, no, in your mind, in my mind, if you listen, you could see I was not, I was not ready to cruise. I came in there with a game plan.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:21Jocko Willink?

  And the game plan did not say cruise on it. The game plan said get after it.

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  What was funny is you shut it down so quick, right when you heard it. You were like, eh, you know. You wanna cut it at this point, not the, not the, the little comment, like, we just rolled into a conversation. But here's the thing with that conversation, as far as the layers go, we talk about white tea.

• 1:41:40Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, you called it chai.

• 1:41:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, cuz I was trying to remember what kinda tea that was. I don't know about the tea, especially back then. Nonetheless, you were always on the pomegranate.

• 1:41:48Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, that started when I was in the dirt. So, anyways, you can get that, you can get it on Amazon, and then you can start deadlifting.

• 1:42:00Jocko Willink?

  Properly. Uh, there's some books that you can get. Way of the Warrior Kid. I get questions all the time about how you should raise your kids. And, and, and, and not just how to raise them, cuz even people know how to raise them, but they, but they, not how to raise them, but how to raise them. Like, they know what they want the kids to, they know the values that they want the kids to have, but they're not sure how to give them the values, right? They don't know how to do that. So, it, real simple, get him this book, Way of the Warrior Kid. That, that's, you know, discipline, eating habits, working out, dealing with bullies, how to study, all those things are in there. These are the things you want, not just your kid, but the children of the world

• 1:42:40Jocko Willink?

  to have these type of qualities. And now, on top of that, we have Way of the Warrior Kid Two, which is called Mark's Mission. It talks about some important lessons, controlling your temper, overcoming fear of failure, working hard, saving money, being frugal, dealing with verbal abuse, helping other people, starting businesses, yeah, I said that. And becoming a leader. Again, all the, there's no human being that would look at the lessons from Way of the Warrior Kid and say, would say, I don't want my kid to have that quality. No, the qualities are in there.

• 1:43:24Jocko Willink?

  So there's that. And if you want a good example of a warrior kid, check out Irishoaksranch.com where you can get soap that's handmade by young Aiden, who's 12 years old, but he has a business, no big deal. He's making soap.

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  Well, it's interesting.

• 1:43:41Jocko Willink?

  Goat milk soap.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that soap's actually good, like to use.

• 1:43:46Jocko Willink?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  Let's face it, you know how you have your friend and you know, his wife makes soap on the weekend.

• 1:43:53Jocko Willink?

  Sympathy purchase scenario.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, and you so you got some and it's beautiful. It has the little packaging and then you say, all right, it's soap. Um, let me go ahead and use some soap. And you're like, brother, this isn't like usable soap. This is a novelty decorative item.

• 1:44:07Jocko Willink?

  It was a cool little educational experience because he asked me, you know, he was making soap and he's, and he reached out to me. His dad is a farmer, also a firefighter, but he's a farmer. Anyways, his dad and I were connected. I buy meat from his dad. And, you know, he said, oh, my son wants to get in touch with you. But so as we're going through the process, he sends me like his label for the soap.

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:31Jocko Willink?

  And, you know, it looked nice, but I'm, went back with, you know, this needs to be in OCR standard.

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:38Jocko Willink?

  So anyways, yeah, it's a cool little learning process. And yeah, you can get that soap. You can support a kid that's a warrior kid. And the Jocko soap motto, which I give Aiden no credit for. Sorry, Aiden. You're a good kid, but you didn't think of this. It took the, it took the masterful marketing mind of Jocko to come up with the motto for Jocko soap, which is stay clean.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  It's good.

• 1:45:04Jocko Willink?

  And you know, there's some layers on that too, right?

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess. What's the layers?

• 1:45:08Jocko Willink?

  Motorhead song.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  Oh, all right. There you go. And you like Motorhead?

• 1:45:11Jocko Willink?

  And I am a huge fan of Motorhead.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  And you don't do any drugs. So there's the kind of there's that.

• 1:45:17Jocko Willink?

  The reason that whenever I talk to people or people talk to me on the, uh, through social media or email, and they've had a drug problem or an alcohol problem, and I always kind of sign off like, hey, stay clean.

• 1:45:30Jocko Willink?

  Stay clean. So, cause that's also what Lemmy from Motorhead was saying. Stay clean. Like, don't let this kill you. Now Lemmy from Motorhead was a rare dude who did a lot of drugs and alcohol and somehow was able to survive very well up to, up to when he died. Drinking incredible amounts of Jack Daniels.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was some legit layers.

• 1:45:51Jocko Willink?

  But he always would say, "Don't do it." He's a guy that would say, "Don't do it. It's, don't do it. Don't do what people do. Don't do drugs."

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Stay clean.

• 1:46:02Jocko Willink?

  Stay clean. There you go.

• 1:46:05Jocko Willink?

  In addition to that, got another book called The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual. And if, this is, this is a good point. If you know someone that's off the path, right? Like, people go off the path in life. And it doesn't take, we talked about this last time, it doesn't take but one step off the path when you're on a slippery slope.

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:46:23Jocko Willink?

  It's a slippery slope when you step off the path. So if you know someone that has taken a step off the path and they're starting to slide down, get them this book to get them on the path, the right path. And there's also a chance

• 1:46:39Jocko Willink?

  that the person that stepped off the path is you. So, get the field manual. It's got the thoughts and actions that are required to be on the right path. Make yourself better, faster, stronger, smarter.

• 1:47:00Jocko Willink?

  Anything else?

• 1:47:02Jocko Willink?

  More physically fit and healthier.

• 1:47:06Jocko Willink?

  The audio version of that is on iTunes, Amazon Music, Google Play, other MP3 platforms. It's not on Audible because then you can't have it as an album with tracks, which we obviously support. Extreme Ownership, first book I wrote with my brother Leif Babin. Over a million copies sold.

• 1:47:24Jocko Willink?

  That's a lot of copies sold.

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 1:47:25Jocko Willink?

  That's a lot of copies sold. You know how many copies they told us would be successful? Cause we didn't know any, Leif and I didn't know anything about the publishing world.

• 1:47:33Speaker 02

  Wait, what do you mean?

• 1:47:34Jocko Willink?

  When we were getting, when the book was getting ready to come out. And I would talk to the, we were talking to the publisher, Leif and I were talking to the publisher. And he says, you know, if this is a successful book, then you know, it'll, it'll really be, it'll be good to see blah, blah, blah.

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  Oh, that's like the standard, like a mid, like a certain amount, that's officially when you consider successful.

• 1:47:51Jocko Willink?

  So I said, hey, what? Hey, I don't know anything about this. What is considered to be a successful book? You know what the number was? 20,000 books.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  Dang.

• 1:48:02Jocko Willink?

  He goes, hey, you know, he goes, hey, you know, we're, we're printing 12,000 on this first run. And if you sell, if you, you know, we'll print some more, but if you can sell 20,000 books, that's, that's gonna be, that's a huge success and we'll be, we'll be proud. So here we are, we're one million deep. It's pretty cool.

• 1:48:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:18Jocko Willink?

  Good job, Leif Babin.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  Good job. Good job, both of you guys.

• 1:48:21Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. Leif, Leif tells a story that we got home from Ramadi and the only time I ever told him anything positive was when we got home and we'd been home for like two weeks. And I told him and the Delta Platoon Commander, hey, good job over there.

• 1:48:38Jocko Willink?

  So yeah, we're keep, we, I likes to keep it real.

• 1:48:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. And actually, you know what though? Good job over there seems real simple, but I'm sure in that context, it was probably the most loaded.

• 1:48:47Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:48Speaker 02

  Good job. Anyone's ever heard.

• 1:48:50Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. Yeah. I believe you're correct. Beyond the books and beyond the podcast. Also, Echelon Front, speaking of Leif and me, this is our leadership and management consulting company. This is the thing, every, this is a bold statement, right? Every problem in every organization is leadership problem.

• 1:49:11Jocko Willink?

  That's a bold statement to make.

• 1:49:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:14Jocko Willink?

  And I'll say it again, every problem in every organization is a leadership problem. So if there's a problem in an organization, the problem, it boils down to leadership on some level. So what we do is we fix the leadership and thereby we fix your problems. It's me, it's Leif Babin, it's JP Donnell, it's Dave Burke. Good deal, Dave Burke.

• 1:49:39Jocko Willink?

  If you want to get in touch with us to have us come out and work with your company, get your leadership aligned, go to [email protected]. Or you email [email protected], or you can go to the website echelonfront.com. And of course, we are approaching the muster. The Leadership Seminar. Learn, you learn tactics of leadership, you learn strategies of leadership, you learn pragmatic techniques you can execute as a leader.

• 1:50:13Jocko Willink?

  That will make you and your team win. We already expanded the floor, so we expanded the floor as much as we could already because the ticket sales are going quickly. And so we've got both places that we're doing the muster. We've got them expanded as much as we can. Doesn't matter. They're both, both of them are going to sell out. Doing two this year only. Washington DC, May 17th and 18th, and San Francisco, October 17th and 18th. The whole team will be there and we will be with you if you come. We'll be hanging out, we'll be answering questions, we'll be talking, we'll be eating lunch, we'll be, we'll be hanging out, working out with all of you that come. There's no green room.

• 1:50:59Jocko Willink?

  There's no backstage where, where Leif is sitting back there in the backstage with cucumbers on his eyes to relax. That's not happening. No, we're hanging out, all of us. So you can register for that at extremeownership.com. We'll see you there. And until the muster, you can find us by interacting and conversing and cruising with us on the interwebs, on Twitter, on Instagram. And on that facey boy. Echo is at Echo Charles. And I am at Jocko Willinkin. Once again.

• 1:51:42Jocko Willink?

  Dan Crenshaw is at CrenshawforCongress.com. His Twitter's at Dan Crenshaw TX. And his Facebook is Dan Crenshaw.

• 1:51:55Jocko Willink?

  And.

• 1:51:58Jocko Willink?

  I'd like to thank everyone for listening. Thanks to all the men and women in uniform across the globe with sword in hand and heart at the ready.

• 1:52:10Jocko Willink?

  To fight and die for what we hold sacred and to police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, and all first responders. Thanks for being prepared.

• 1:52:21Jocko Willink?

  And thanks for being there when we call you in our time of need. And to everyone else out there, thank you for listening and thank you for sharing and thank you for supporting. But more important, thanks for finding your mission and executing your mission. Whether it's your job, or your business, or a charity, or your family, or whatever your mission is, thanks for getting out there.

• 1:52:49Jocko Willink?

  And getting after it. So, until next time, this is Dan Crenshaw, and Echo, and Jocko.

• 1:52:59Jocko Willink?

  Out.