Colman Domingo

This week, we’re thrilled to welcome our new best friend, the incredible Colman Domingo! One of the best-dressed men in Hollywood (with a velvet voice that could melt butter), Colman joined us for a Goat’s Cheese tart from mum’s latest cookbook obsession, Sunlight & Breadcrumbs, beetroot salad, Nigella’s moon-blushed tomatoes, followed by a meringue- like cookie! We talked about everything; his film Sing Sing, based on the transformative real-life Rehabilitation Through the Arts program at Sing Sing Maximum Security Prison, his secrets for perfect fried chicken (buttermilk and peanut oil!), his passion for condiments (he even carries peach barbecue sauce in his bag when he travels) and why his mum, Edith, remains a guiding force in his life. Sing Sing is a powerful and deeply moving film, led by a stunning performance from Colman. It’s out now—don’t miss it! And keep an eye out for him in the next season of Euphoria and an exciting upcoming project with Steven Spielberg. Thank you, Colman, for sharing your stories and your heart with us. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 2:34Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're at Lenny's house.

• 2:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:39Jessie Ware?

  For the, well, the final recording that we're doing of 2024. But this is greeting you in January. And Mum, you've made something really delicious today.

• 2:49Speaker 06

  Well, I hope it is. It's from my new favourite cookbook, Sunlight and Bread Crumbs. And it's a funny time of day and I don't know how much she's going to eat. So I've made a tart with chèvre, which is goat's cheese, dill and spring onions, which I griddled first. I don't know what it would be like.

• 3:09Jessie Ware?

  You're good at quiches, Mum.

• 3:11Speaker 06

  Am I?

• 3:12Jessie Ware?

  You are.

• 3:12Speaker 06

  And then.

• 3:13Jessie Ware?

  Carly Rae Jackson can confirm.

• 3:15Speaker 06

  I wanted to call it a tart really, because I think it sounds a bit more classy than a quiche. And then I've done a beetroot salad, because I love beetroot and it will lower my blood pressure before Christmas.

• 3:24Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:25Speaker 06

  And then I've just a green salad and I did those moon blush tomatoes.

• 3:29Jessie Ware?

  Moon blush.

• 3:30Speaker 06

  That's what she calls them.

• 3:32Jessie Ware?

  Whilst you were cleansing your crystals outside, you blushed some tomatoes by the moon.

• 3:36Speaker 06

  That's what Nigella calls them.

• 3:38Jessie Ware?

  What did you do?

• 3:40Speaker 06

  All you do is cut them in half, put some olive oil, a bit of salt, a bit of sugar and thyme. You put them in a hot oven at 225 and as soon as they go in, you turn the oven off and leave them overnight.

• 3:52Jessie Ware?

  They look very pretty.

• 3:53Speaker 06

  And then I've made some, well, they're ground walnuts with cocoa and meringue, basically, and a bit of sugar. Not a lot of sugar and there's lemon juice in the meringue, which I've never put in before. And you just bake them in the oven and they're essentially a bit like a macaron.

• 4:10Jessie Ware?

  Yum.

• 4:10Speaker 06

  So anyway.

• 4:11Jessie Ware?

  So last week we gave you Jessie Eisenberg, probably going to be up for an Oscar. Um. Now we've got another, probably gonna be up for an Oscar.

• 4:21Speaker 06

  When did they announce? It must be next week.

• 4:24Jessie Ware?

  We have the fantastic Coleman Domingo coming in. His film Sing Sing has been out for a while and he's been talking about it, but we got to watch it. And it was so fantastic and moving and important and I can't wait to meet him. You would have seen Coleman Domingo in many things, uh, the remake of Color Purple. You probably have seen him on the stage. He's done The West End, he's done Broadway, he's done everything. But now he's really like becoming a proper screen, well, not becoming, he has, he is a screen star. He's got his own TV show called The Madness, which he's like the star in on Netflix. He was up for an Oscar last year for his role in Rustin.

• 5:05Jessie Ware?

  And Sing Sing is really wonderful and he plays Divine Eye in it and it's just a absolutely moving story. So I'm really excited to meet him. He's also probably one of the most well dressed men in Hollywood. Um, I'm interested to see what he's gonna be wearing today. And he also has the most delicious voice. It's like velvet.

• 5:24Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:25Jessie Ware?

  It's, I, I.

• 5:26Speaker 06

  It's like Baileys.

• 5:28Jessie Ware?

  I, I'm sure he's probably played King Lear before, but I kind of feel like that voice with King Lear could be really good. Anyway, um, Coleman Domingo is coming to club.

• 5:55Jessie Ware?

  Coleman Domingo, welcome. Thank you, Jessie. It's good to be here. You are, well, it's, everyone talks about your fashion and you're fabulous. I mean, we're gonna talk about Sing Sing and we're gonna talk about you and everything about you.

• 6:07Speaker 06

  You look just gorgeous. First of all, I was worried you wouldn't be able to fit through the door.

• 6:11Jessie Ware?

  Right, because I'm.

• 6:12Speaker 06

  Because you are so tall. You are quite tall.

• 6:14Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I'm six, I'm six foot.

• 6:16Speaker 07

  Too. It's not super tall, but I feel.

• 6:19Speaker 06

  Have you got high heels on?

• 6:20Jessie Ware?

  You're even, oh, he's got a Cuban heel on.

• 6:22Speaker 07

  I have a Cuban heel.

• 6:22Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 6:23Speaker 07

  I wanted to come in and little chop chop for you.

• 6:27Speaker 07

  I thought never, you never know, we may dance, you know.

• 6:29Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, sure, you never know.

• 6:30Speaker 07

  I'll shake it to the pearls.

• 6:32Jessie Ware?

  Oh, God, don't you like that one?

• 6:34Speaker 07

  Oh, my God, it really, I will play it over and over again, especially at the gym, because it's just such a.

• 6:41Jessie Ware?

  Oh, thank you.

• 6:42Speaker 07

  You're fun and effervescent and just like, really, I love, no, really, I couldn't get here soon enough when I found out. Because, you know, I told you, I was, I was like, you're kind of in a fog when you're on a press tour and you're coming in, you're like, you have no idea who you're going to meet with, you don't know until minutes before and then they're like. Oh, well, we were adding this podcast and I was like, oh, okay, who is it? I'm tired, it's right for the holidays. They're like Jesse Ware and her mother, Lennie Ware. I was like, wait, what? We have to do it. We have to do it. I'm such fans of yours.

• 7:09Jessie Ware?

  That's so sweet.

• 7:09Speaker 07

  No, you're just very warm and kind and open and I don't know, just I love, and you love to cook and feed people.

• 7:15Jessie Ware?

  We, we do.

• 7:16Speaker 07

  And I like a meal.

• 7:17Jessie Ware?

  And well, so we're recording this before Christmas time. We're recording, this is coming out next year.

• 7:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 7:24Jessie Ware?

  But we're recording this like it's the twentieth of December. Is it twentieth or twenty first? It's twentieth. You're still here.

• 7:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 7:33Jessie Ware?

  Promoting.

• 7:33Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 7:34Jessie Ware?

  You must be the most hardworking guy in showbiz.

• 7:37Speaker 07

  I am the James Brown of modern day times, it seems, yeah. But, but I love what I do and I love, I love getting out and really, I love, this is the part where I like, you know, I'm from the theater originally.

• 7:48Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 7:48Speaker 07

  I started in small professional theaters and I love getting out and talking to people and sometimes we're just doing film and TV. You don't get this.

• 7:55Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 7:55Speaker 07

  For me, it's that, there's a cat.

• 7:57Jessie Ware?

  Are you allergic?

• 7:58Speaker 07

  I'm allergic, but it's good.

• 7:59Jessie Ware?

  No, we can get rid of.

• 8:00Speaker 07

  No, no, no, no. Unless you have, no, no, unless you have a Claritin or something.

• 8:03Jessie Ware?

  No, no, no, no. Have you got Claritin? Have you got hay fever, ma?

• 8:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, but, yeah, but maybe just put him outside.

• 8:09Jessie Ware?

  Do you have any, do you have any animals?

• 8:11Speaker 07

  I have no animals at all.

• 8:12Jessie Ware?

  I mean, it must be quite hard if you're traveling all the time.

• 8:14Speaker 06

  He's got an allergy as well.

• 8:16Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yes, yes.

• 8:17Speaker 07

  But the thing is, I love animals, but I, I think I just. I just, I wouldn't know where to keep them. I'm not somebody who will wanna keep an animal going on a plane with me or something. But I love animals so much.

• 8:26Jessie Ware?

  Where do you live exactly?

• 8:27Speaker 07

  I live in a little town called Malibu, California.

• 8:31Jessie Ware?

  Oh, it's my favorite.

• 8:33Speaker 07

  It's good, right?

• 8:34Jessie Ware?

  I love it.

• 8:35Speaker 07

  It's perfect, right? My shoulders drop when I drop, when I drive out of Santa Monica. I just moved there in February, because I used to live in a small, little suburban town in southeast L.A. And I just moved over there.

• 8:45Jessie Ware?

  Which one did you live?

• 8:46Speaker 07

  It was a little town called Downey. I've never even heard of it. Let me tell you why you may have heard of it, though. Downey is where the Carpenters are from.

• 8:54Jessie Ware?

  Oh, wow.

• 8:55Speaker 07

  Karen Carpenter grew up in Downey.

• 8:56Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 8:56Speaker 07

  So everything about Karen Carpenter and the Carpenters is just from this little town.

• 9:01Jessie Ware?

  So is it quite kind of quaint and everyone's, it's like they're on psychedelics and they're kind of smiley and...

• 9:05Speaker 07

  Absolutely, absolutely. It still has that feel because the houses are very sort of old school, traditional, mid-century houses. There's a lot of, there's a few faux Italian places that, you know, they tore down and built up. But it does, it's a very suburban community and it was really beautiful and I was there for eight years. And then I bought this home by circumstance. I wasn't even in the market for buying a house. But this beautiful home that's really embedded in nature came up. And I have a view of the ocean and it's peace. And I didn't know that I needed, listen, people who are on the road all the time, you know that like, I need a place where it's just really, a place I can just be and just be a person.

• 9:46Speaker 07

  And not, it can't be about art or art making or anything. It really is just like, oh, it's nature and it's me being dirty and putting on my galoshes and getting out to garden and, and just, I don't know.

• 9:57Jessie Ware?

  So your partner, Raul, works in fashion, doesn't he? Do you feel like you've learned a lot from him with style or were you already, you were born stylish?

• 10:05Speaker 07

  It's funny, I think that we both have learned a lot from each other. I think I've always had a sense of style, even as a kid. There's a, there's a picture that has gone around every so often that I'll post from Easter Sunday, nineteen seventy-six. And I remember that day in particular because there was a navy blue suit that my mother wanted me to wear, but of course I was a kid and I grew out of the sleeves. And I said, oh, it's okay, I wanna wear that jacket anyway. And the jacket was red, white and blue stripes. And my mother was just like, oh, no, no, because my mother was very sort of conservative, like, oh, no, no, no, no, she's gonna change me into a brown suit or something like that, very monochromatic. Which is something I actually love to wear now, monochromatic, because that's something about power with that. But I was like, no, no, no, I wanna wear...

• 10:49Speaker 07

  The jacket, I like it. And I put it on and she says, and she says, oh, and she's, I said, it makes me feel good. And then she says, she looked at me and I never forget this moment, she says, okay, it's good, wear what makes you feel good. And so I have this picture at Easter Sunday, which is kind of cool, me sitting in the middle of my siblings. And I'm wearing this suit that was like a little, you know, forward, you know, for a kid. But it made me feel good. I'm sitting there with the biggest smile. And so I know that that was already impressing me to say, wear what makes you feel good.

• 11:21Jessie Ware?

  I love that. And I want to go back to Raoul. Is it Raoul?

• 11:24Speaker 07

  Raoul, yeah.

• 11:25Jessie Ware?

  So I, I know lots of people, well, I, I, I learnt this story of how they met. And I know you've probably said this so many times, but I feel like you need to tell my mom.

• 11:34Speaker 07

  I'll tell your mom.

• 11:35Jessie Ware?

  How you met because it's heaven.

• 11:37Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 11:37Jessie Ware?

  It should be on like this modern, modern love. Should it be, it's like, well, it's a meet cute.

• 11:42Speaker 07

  It's funny, well, it's funny because I told this story once in GQ magazine for their love issue a few years ago. And then Graham Norton invited me on and he got wind of the story and I told him last year. And I think I know why people love this story and I'll tell you. The story goes like this. Twenty years, almost twenty years ago, we met March twenty fifth, um, twenty years ago. Now remember.

• 12:09Jessie Ware?

  Twenty years ago.

• 12:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 12:10Jessie Ware?

  When you were about ten.

• 12:12Speaker 07

  But get this, get this, twenty years ago, as we know, there was no real social media. It was the beginnings of it in many ways. And I'm just putting it in the back of your mind, more of an analog world. We, we know it. I was in Berkeley, California, just there to do a show at a theater, Berkeley Rep. And I used to live in San Francisco and it was my first time coming back in a long time. And I went to, I knew the whole neighborhood. So I was like, oh, on a Sunday night, I'm going to go treat myself to a facial mask. So I wanted to go get a mask at the neighborhood Walgreens or Boots. So I go there and literally I walk in the door and walking out is a face. And I'll, I'll say it, but I'll give you more detail of the story now because I don't usually get to.

• 12:56Speaker 07

  I saw a face that I didn't know was beautiful or interesting. Interesting or what, but it was a face that was like a left a deep impression on me. And I thought I'd never saw a face like that in my life. And he had hair down here and he was just open. He looked at me with this beautiful stare. He had a lip piercing. And I was like, oh, who is that? I was literally on the phone, which I'm doing this. I I was on the phone and I was talking to someone and I was like, oh, oh, my God. And I walk into Walgreens and I'm like, I my instinct was that I have to walk back out. Now, preface, I was really not in a mood for anyone's relationship. I just got out of one. So I wasn't even on the prowl. I was just like, really being myself. I had a faux hawk. I I was dressing like myself. I was fun. I was relaxed.

• 13:37Speaker 07

  And so this, I was stunned and I was like, I literally turned back around and walked back outside. And I see him look over in the corner, talking to a young woman who was angry about something. She was, you could tell she was frustrated. She was very animated. And he was trying to focus on her, but he was distracted, looking at me. And I'm on the phone. I'm like, oh, I I I need to get off the phone. I want to talk to this person, but he's distracted. I'm distracted. And eventually I get off the phone and then he's already walked away with this young woman walking down the street. She's still very animated. He keeps looking back. And my hand literally reached up and did this and said, come back. And he just, she's dragging him off. They go off.

• 14:14Jessie Ware?

  Did he see you go like that?

• 14:15Speaker 07

  He did, and but he didn't come back because he was being dragged off. And I just stood there outside with this interaction, literally watching him walk away. And I felt like, what was that? So I get distracted. I remember, I think I, I don't know if I actually ended up going back in the Walgreens. I ended up at a Blockbuster video across the street, looking through the videos. And then I looked at my watch and it was eight oh three. I'll never forget that. And I went back outside and I thought, well, maybe he's out there. If he felt what I felt, he wasn't out there. And I thought, the Walgreens had closed down because they closed down at eight. And I was like. Maybe perhaps I'll come back again. I'm a romantic. Maybe I'll come back again next week at this time and maybe he will be here too.

• 15:00Speaker 07

  I don't know. I've always been that hopeful person believing that things like that will, magic will happen. So now we're gonna cut like a film and go three days later. I couldn't stop thinking about this interaction. And I had received a grant from um uh the Bay Area, Bay Area Cash Fund to help me with my writing, because I was, you know, I just didn't have a lot of money. And um I was like, oh, with this money, I can get a new computer to help support my writing. And maybe I can buy something used and I can get an iPod Touch. Because I need music too. So I'm online on Craigslist. And I'm going through and just looking, looking, looking. And then after maybe about an hour, I just sit there. Now, I'm staying in theater housing, which is not really great or glamorous, at this little computer.

• 15:46Speaker 07

  And I can't, I keep thinking about this interaction and I thought, how can I find this person? And I thought, what if I posted one of those Miss Connections ads? Hmm, because I read them, I, you know, saw you on.

• 15:58Jessie Ware?

  Where do they put?

• 15:59Speaker 07

  They would, there would be sections on this Craigslist.

• 16:02Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 16:02Speaker 07

  A website that would say Miss Connections, Casual Encounters, whatever. You can find anything. You can buy a.

• 16:08Jessie Ware?

  We, we have, we have, well.

• 16:10Speaker 07

  What do you call it here?

• 16:11Jessie Ware?

  Well, what did we have? We had it in the London Light. What was it called? Um? Love Shop, was it called? I think it was called Love Shop.

• 16:17Speaker 07

  Yes, yes. But just, just imagine a whole page where you can buy, get, find a housekeeper. You can find a used appliance or something like that and find love apparently. So I go to this website and I thought about writing a profile like, oh, I saw you, missed you, want to talk to you. And where our location was. So I'm scrolling down, reading them, thinking about this. I get to the second page on the website, three down. And it says, saw you outside of Walgreens, Berkeley. I literally jumped up. I said, oh my God.

• 16:53Speaker 07

  That's me.

• 16:55Speaker 06

  Oh my goodness.

• 16:55Jessie Ware?

  How good is the story?

• 16:57Speaker 07

  And literally, I, I touch it as if I was almost afraid to say, I tapped the screen. And I, and I start reading it and he said, I saw you outside of Walgreens Berkeley. I was with a friend. We were lost. She was upset. Um, I hope this finds you.

• 17:13Speaker 07

  I respond to it.

• 17:14Speaker 06

  About to cry.

• 17:15Speaker 07

  I respond to it. This is me, et cetera, et cetera. My name is this. I'm so glad that I found you. Uh, can we meet up? And we met up three days later. We had our first date. I was trying to be a good boy and try not to be naughty. After this date, which was so beautiful.

• 17:33Speaker 07

  And I have to tell you.

• 17:34Speaker 06

  Where did you go?

• 17:35Speaker 07

  I have to tell, we went to this bar called Dalva in San Francisco in the Mission District. And I walked in and we just had a couple of drinks and then we went for a walk and then we kissed on the street. And then he asked me to come back home with him. And I thought, I'm trying to be a good boy. I was like, no, no, no, because I actually really liked him. I thought, I want to take my time with this. And he said, really? And he felt like, and from his perspective, he said, I didn't know if this was, was gonna, if you would want to see me again. So I really wanted to hang on to every moment possible. So I said, okay, I will come over, but let's just cuddle.

• 18:07Jessie Ware?

  Yep.

• 18:07Speaker 07

  So we cuddled. And about four o'clock in the morning, I couldn't sleep. And I said to him,

• 18:14Speaker 07

  I thought he was asleep. I said, I think I love you and you're about to change my life.

• 18:19Speaker 07

  I knew it. Now I have to let, also let you know this. He tried to post this ad three times and it didn't go through until an hour before I found it.

• 18:29Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 18:30Speaker 07

  So.

• 18:30Jessie Ware?

  Kismet.

• 18:31Speaker 07

  If that isn't kismet, if that isn't destiny and that isn't magic, I don't know what is. That's what makes me believe in magic. I'm like, oh no, there is love available. You just gotta put your head up.

• 18:41Speaker 06

  You were just meant for each other.

• 18:42Speaker 07

  We were. And, and he's, he's my best friend. He's a good human and I feel extremely lucky. Twenty years.

• 18:49Speaker 06

  Are you married?

• 18:50Speaker 07

  We're married. We got married 10 years ago.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  Fabulous.

• 18:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:53Jessie Ware?

  I guess we should probably get to some food. But what was the food at the wedding?

• 18:56Speaker 07

  The food was, oh, the wedding happened like this. Very easy because I always have a busy schedule. And he wanted to get married. I wanted to get married, but we didn't never know when we could schedule. Suddenly it was the week before the anniversary of my mother's passing, which was seven years prior. Thank you. And I thought.

• 19:14Speaker 07

  My mother was such love. I said, let's, let's transform mom's day into a day of love. So let's organize a wedding. And we did it very quickly. We didn't tell anyone we were getting married until they came to our apartment that day. Where we had fried chicken, great champagne, I made some salads. And when people came in, I said, welcome to our wedding. They were like, what? When? I said, now. It was a surprise because we don't want to put anyone out.

• 19:38Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:38Speaker 07

  Everyone came in, we created the wedding in a moment. My friend Ari sang a beautiful song called Bershard about meant to be. And, yeah, exactly. And then, it's Bershard. And then we just, we just ate, drank and laughed until five o'clock in the morning. Beautiful. So that's what we ate. We ate fried chicken and some really good salads that I made. And we, I'm such a, I don't like to be fussy at all in any way. So I'm very relaxed and that's the way I wanted it and that's the way he wanted it.

• 20:05Jessie Ware?

  I'm gonna get back to you being obviously quite a good cook, but let's start at the beginning. Where you grew up, it was in Philly.

• 20:11Speaker 07

  Philly.

• 20:12Jessie Ware?

  Who was around the dinner table and what was being served?

• 20:15Speaker 07

  The wildest thing is, um, my whole family, we sat down like we were in a fifties family or something. We sat at the table with my mother, my stepfather at the other head of the table. And kids all around, my brother, my younger brother Philip next to me over here. Wow, we sat, I can remember the table setting. My younger brother right here, my mom's here, dad's here, my brother Rick here, my sister Avery here. Uh, four kids. And we would sit down and usually we had something like, gosh, the one thing we would, because we didn't have a lot of money, we would have something called Salisbury steak.

• 20:51Jessie Ware?

  What's that?

• 20:51Speaker 07

  Which is like a patty of meat that's like, it's a little better than hamburger. Yet it's usually have a gravy over it or something. There was always a gravy and I hated gravy. Right? And I hope, what if you have gravy?

• 21:03Jessie Ware?

  No, we don't have gravy. You're safe.

• 21:05Speaker 07

  But we always had like good soul food. You know, my, my mother, it's a tradition coming from the south. Eventually her families and all. We had fried chicken, we would have real rich food, actually like, you know, collard greens, candied yams, you know, but pretty much traditional soul food.

• 21:20Jessie Ware?

  How do you come to a yam?

• 21:22Speaker 07

  You're candied yam, brown sugar.

• 21:24Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 21:25Speaker 07

  Maple syrup.

• 21:26Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 21:27Speaker 07

  Uh cinnamon, uh low clove nutmeg.

• 21:30Speaker 06

  Fry it.

• 21:30Speaker 07

  You you fry it, you can fry, or you can bake it as well.

• 21:33Speaker 06

  You can bake it.

• 21:33Speaker 07

  Butter.

• 21:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:35Speaker 07

  A little orange juice or an orange rind, just imagine it's just rich, it probably will kill you. Usually, I don't eat so much like that all the time, but it's real fatty sort of soul food, like, you know, African American.

• 21:46Speaker 06

  Do you think yam holds it's better than um sweet potato?

• 21:51Speaker 07

  No, uh hmm, it's kind of the same.

• 21:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, but it's not as sweet, is it?

• 21:55Speaker 07

  It's not as sweet.

• 21:55Speaker 06

  So it's more like a potato.

• 21:57Speaker 07

  Yes, exactly.

• 21:58Speaker 06

  Starchy.

• 21:59Speaker 07

  It's starchy, yes, exactly. You can't eat it every day.

• 22:01Speaker 06

  And it's a different, it's white, isn't it?

• 22:03Speaker 07

  It's white.

• 22:03Speaker 06

  Creamy color.

• 22:04Speaker 07

  Actually, no, yam is, it's funny, because I feel like I've seen them both. I've seen yam that's like creamy colored.

• 22:09Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 22:10Speaker 07

  And sweet potato that is more orange.

• 22:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 07

  You, yeah, but sometimes it depends on the um the variety.

• 22:17Speaker 06

  Yeah. How how long would you bake it for?

• 22:19Speaker 07

  I would say you want it to get a little soft, I would say forty five minutes.

• 22:22Speaker 06

  Oh, that, yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 07

  You want it, you want it mushy.

• 22:24Speaker 06

  In rounds?

• 22:25Speaker 07

  In rounds, cut it in rounds.

• 22:26Jessie Ware?

  That, okay, you're a good cook, I can tell now.

• 22:29Speaker 07

  Oh, I love cooking.

• 22:30Jessie Ware?

  Straight away. So if we were coming round to yours.

• 22:32Speaker 06

  Which we probably will.

• 22:37Speaker 07

  I would love that.

• 22:38Jessie Ware?

  What are you gonna cook for us?

• 22:40Speaker 07

  It all depends on the season.

• 22:41Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 22:42Speaker 07

  I love to do a good roast, like a roast chicken. I I love a good roast chicken with root vegetables and things like that. Very, I like to cook sort of like in an effortless manner that's just fresh farm to table. I would make something very healthy that I think that everyone would like. I would get a little fancy, I would make some French food sometimes, like I'll make um. I don't know, I might do a trout almondine.

• 23:04Speaker 06

  Lovely.

• 23:04Speaker 07

  You know, I like, I like lighter foods that are like, you know, really, I don't know, to make you feel like you're somewhere else. I I I can experiment with like. Japanese food and different flavors. I also love, I love forward seasonings in many ways, just things that have like. That are complicated, like I will make a good fried chicken that has like, yeah, you have all these different spices, garlic and cumin. Maybe even a little cinnamon to make a little sweet.

• 23:30Speaker 06

  So what's the secret to the batter on a fried chick, on fried chicken?

• 23:33Jessie Ware?

  What's your batter?

• 23:34Speaker 07

  Buttermilk.

• 23:35Jessie Ware?

  Uh huh.

• 23:36Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 23:36Speaker 07

  Must do buttermilk.

• 23:37Speaker 06

  So buttermilk made into a batter.

• 23:40Speaker 07

  Into a batter, instead of.

• 23:41Jessie Ware?

  And, oh, so buttermilk's.

• 23:42Speaker 06

  Instead of milk.

• 23:43Jessie Ware?

  I also saw something where instead of using like um the egg to to be the glue.

• 23:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 23:49Jessie Ware?

  You would use buttermilk instead. That's the, so that's your glue.

• 23:52Speaker 07

  Everything sticks to it and the and all the that, all the seasoning will stick to it as well. And you wanna get, and the thing is about frying it though, because you wanna get it to a real, you need it at a very high, high heat.

• 24:03Speaker 06

  Have you got a deep fryer?

• 24:05Speaker 07

  I don't have a deep fryer. I still go very old school.

• 24:07Speaker 06

  And what do you fry it in? Oil?

• 24:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, fry it in, you fry it in oil.

• 24:10Speaker 06

  Which oil do you use? Because you have a funny one there, canola.

• 24:13Jessie Ware?

  Everyone's using, everyone's using avocado oil.

• 24:16Speaker 07

  Everyone's using avocado oil, but you know, I, but I like, you know, like peanut oil, peanut oil to fry something in.

• 24:22Jessie Ware?

  Five guys, Five Guys use peanut oil.

• 24:25Speaker 06

  But we don't get peanut oil here.

• 24:27Jessie Ware?

  Well, Five Guys have got it, so I don't know where they're getting it from.

• 24:29Speaker 07

  Five, Five, you know where I learned how to use peanut oil? When I worked at McDonald's.

• 24:33Speaker 06

  Ah, is that what they do?

• 24:34Speaker 07

  That's why the fries are so good. Because it's a, it gets, it gets a good high heat. You know what? Also, I don't mind frying things in like a little beef fat, you know, exactly. Or duck fat, duck fat.

• 24:47Jessie Ware?

  So, okay, we're gonna get on to Sing Sing.

• 24:50Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 24:50Jessie Ware?

  But you're in full, like, it's campaign mode, because you, and and I'm sure it's your team, I mean, quite rightly, you are no doubt gonna be up for the Oscar. You're already up for the Golden Globes. You've won the Gotham. Like, it's looking pretty bloody good.

• 25:05Speaker 06

  So you're up for a Golden Globe. Have you been nominated for anything else?

• 25:09Jessie Ware?

  He was up for an Oscar last year, Mum.

• 25:10Speaker 06

  No, I know that. For this, this, this.

• 25:12Jessie Ware?

  They haven't come out yet, have they?

• 25:14Speaker 07

  Yes, I've been nominated, but there's been a lot of like this, my film has been out since like um last September.

• 25:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 07

  So there's been a nice, long runway. We've been playing regional festivals around the country, around the world. And we've, we've stacked up a lot of honours, which has been great. Not only for myself, with my, my castmates and the ensemble and the film. That's been beautiful, because I feel like, it does feel like it's been a grassroots way of getting the film out.

• 25:37Jessie Ware?

  Has Divine G got a nom?

• 25:40Speaker 07

  Yes, he actually, he actually, he actually won, um, he actually won the um, uh, supporting uh for the Gotham as well, which has been great.

• 25:48Jessie Ware?

  I mean, that, I've got goosebumps thinking about you two together, because.

• 25:52Speaker 07

  He's a beautiful performer.

• 25:53Jessie Ware?

  But you, there was this tension.

• 25:56Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:56Jessie Ware?

  Where I was like. I didn't know what was gonna happen in this film, but I was like, I'm worried he's gonna fucking kill him or something. And there was that tension when you, when he goes and reads for Hamlet, I'm not gonna give anything away. And your character is just kind of like, hang on, like, and, and, and there's just like this, and then this beautiful tenderness and friendship and brotherhood that happens, well, with all the cast, but that's the one that you're like, which way is it gonna go, right?

• 26:24Speaker 07

  And doesn't that say something about like the, the possibility of someone that you felt like you have nothing in common with? Both of these characters felt like, even in the confines of a prison, felt like they had nothing to do with each other. And then you find out that you're probably more alike than unalike. You just have different ways of approaching something. So for me, that's what it's about. And that, yeah, there's a tension throughout the film. And there's, it's constantly shifting perceptions of people.

• 26:50Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 26:50Speaker 07

  And what the possibility is. Like, my favorite moment, and this won't give too much away, but there's a word, maybe I won't say what the word is. There's a word that is used in the film that is an offering of grace. When someone says, oh, we don't use that word in prison, we use, we use the word this when it comes to brotherhood. And for me, that was a gift that Clarence actually gave me when we were trying to figure out the script. He said, oh, it was an offering of a word. And we're like, wow, that's what a transformative word. I would never imagine these hyper masculine men in this environment to use this word. It's a word of transformation. It's a word I think the more men need to invite into their whole DNA, which will change them and shift them.

• 27:32Jessie Ware?

  So Clarence is also a writer, he, he was involved in this. Yeah, but also in the RTA program, which for people, I mean, you're gonna explain this much better, but for people that haven't seen Sing Sing, can you describe the program that this all centers around?

• 27:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, our film Sing Sing is centered on this program and that was started at Sing Sing Prison, which is the maximum security prison in upstate New York. And there's a beautiful gem of a program that was founded by a lot of the members there, who just wanted to do something different. They wanted to, let's put on a play. Let's get, let's see if we, the volunteers will come in, teach them acting skills. And they started by just playing. And you know, oh, this is good, this is fun, this is interesting. But then these real. Things start to happen as we know anyone who loves theater is like, what does it develop?

• 28:31Speaker 07

  You develop more empathy, you start to break down your own barriers and things that you have you have trial and trauma with, you can name a feeling and you can do some process work to become a bit more evolved. And they start to realize it was having a profound effect on these inmates. So much so that, this is a number that I love to put out in the world. So much so that there's a three percent recidivism rate, meaning that once they're out of prison, they don't come back in, compared to sixty percent, six zero nationwide.

• 29:04Speaker 06

  Of people involved in the program.

• 29:06Speaker 07

  Exactly, so that shows that programs like this work. You're like, oh, we have to give people tools to be different, you know, to actually do some real rehabilitation.

• 29:15Speaker 06

  Or is the RTA in all prisons?

• 29:18Speaker 07

  No.

• 29:19Speaker 06

  But the other thing about your prisons is they're not nationally owned, they're some of them are private, a lot of private prisons.

• 29:25Speaker 07

  That is the problem, because there is money to be made off of these prisons. So I think it almost doesn't benefit those prisons, which is why we have to sort of do something about that.

• 29:33Speaker 06

  I mean, it is very brutalizing, as I understand the American prison system, that it's not rehabilitative.

• 29:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's more punitive in the United States.

• 29:43Speaker 06

  It's much more punitive than rehabilitative, yeah.

• 29:46Speaker 07

  But also, don't you think that's something, maybe that's what I love our film. Our film has so much light and joy and humor in it. And it's really showing us another path of like, how do we think about these people?

• 29:57Speaker 06

  One of the saddest bits I found, I mean, obviously, all the relationships were so touching. But you were this man who's kind of quiet man, an intellectual in many respects. And that bit where your, your, your room, your cell is searched and you.

• 30:18Speaker 07

  So dehumanizing.

• 30:19Speaker 06

  It's so dehumanizing and the man comes out and he just taps you on the shoulder as if I'm sorry, I've had to do that, but that's how it is. And he taps you and you go back in and all your papers, everything is in disarray and just thrown on the floor. Made me so sad, because why wouldn't you respect someone's?

• 30:40Jessie Ware?

  Belongings or it's not like you were, it was just so sad for me, that particular one.

• 30:46Speaker 07

  But I thank you for mentioning that moment, because I feel like there's all those key moments that we just show, that really shows the dehumanization of it, of people. And also because I feel like a- as we, I think, are understanding more and more, we're like, you know, I think a lot of people in prison are seen sort of monolithic, like we don't, they're locked away, we don't think about them, and not think about their individual stories of how they got there. And as we know that, like, yes, some people have created, have done some heinous crimes, yes, I won't deny that, but some people are imprisoned that should not be imprisoned. Some people are wrongfully accused, like my character. And then trying to find ways to hold on to their humanity, and then these, it's just set up to be so inhumane to just...

• 31:29Speaker 07

  Maybe that's it, even a moment of like knowing that person didn't even think to be careful what the person thinks. You know, of that what little they have to hold on to their humanity, their pictures, their words, their books, their space. There's none of that in prison. You're just treated inhumane, so you're like, how can a person possibly be rehabilitated when the system's not set up for them to, to do some deep work, you know what I mean? So for me, it's like, I, I think maybe that's been the gift for me, being a part of this film, is to really examine this and think about, because I don't know if I've really thought about that. Like, what society do we want to live in and be a part of?

• 32:08Jessie Ware?

  Was it ninety-five percent of the actors in the film were formerly incarcerated?

• 32:14Speaker 07

  Yes, and went through that program.

• 32:16Jessie Ware?

  And playing themselves and went through the program?

• 32:18Speaker 07

  The only professional actors are myself, Paul Racy, who was in Sound the Metal, Sean St. Jose, who is actually, who plays Mike Mike, he's actually my best friend.

• 32:26Jessie Ware?

  Was he Mike?

• 32:27Speaker 07

  Mike Mike.

• 32:28Jessie Ware?

  He's your best friend?

• 32:29Speaker 07

  He's my best friend on the planet.

• 32:30Jessie Ware?

  Oh, wow.

• 32:31Speaker 07

  We've known each other for over thirty years.

• 32:32Jessie Ware?

  I loved his part, he, he was wonderful.

• 32:34Speaker 07

  Isn't he a special actor?

• 32:35Jessie Ware?

  That the conversation of you back to back and the, he, that was beautiful, all of it was, I mean, yeah.

• 32:42Speaker 07

  Thank you, I'm so glad, my, I love that people love Mike Mike, because I was like, because I knew, I knew that I needed, um...

• 32:48Jessie Ware?

  Do you want to tweet something? Yeah, I do.

• 32:50Speaker 07

  I knew by going into this, um, this uncharted territory equating this film, I needed a friend. Like little, you know, literally sometimes you're like, I need a friend with me.

• 32:59Jessie Ware?

  Were you quite nervous going into it? But you did a lot of prep, didn't you?

• 33:03Speaker 07

  I didn't do a lot of prep. I didn't have a lot of time.

• 33:05Jessie Ware?

  Of course.

• 33:05Speaker 07

  I was actually shooting The Color Purple right before I went into this.

• 33:08Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 33:09Speaker 07

  And I only had eighteen days in between Color Purple and going back for, uh, pickups for Rustin, another film I did.

• 33:15Jessie Ware?

  Yes. Oscar nominated Rustin. No big deal.

• 33:21Speaker 07

  But literally, that's all I had. So, you know, sometimes you, I feel like I'm a person who likes to prep a lot.

• 33:27Jessie Ware?

  Uh huh.

• 33:27Speaker 07

  But this didn't allow me to, so I had to lean into a different way of being.

• 33:31Jessie Ware?

  So how did you create this, um, brotherhood with your actors, fellow actors and formerly incarcerated, um, men? How did you get to know each other?

• 33:41Speaker 07

  Are those beats?

• 33:43Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 07

  Good lord.

• 33:44Jessie Ware?

  Did you do the, did you do the Moroccan?

• 33:47Speaker 06

  It's Moroccan, it's with cumin and orange juice and something.

• 33:50Speaker 07

  Literally, didn't I mention cumin and orange juice earlier?

• 33:53Jessie Ware?

  Gorgeous. It could be in like Cafe Mogadore. Have you ever been to Cafe Mogadore in New York? It's like a really good spot that's like, does Moroccan, uh, breakfast really well. So anyway.

• 34:03Speaker 07

  This is beautiful.

• 34:04Jessie Ware?

  Please start helping yourself, but tell me the story too.

• 34:06Speaker 07

  No, we created this bond together by, was on Zoom.

• 34:10Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 34:10Speaker 07

  And then by the time we got to, like, again, I didn't have a lot of time to prep.

• 34:14Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 07

  So we really went in very quickly. Which was beautiful because they were very open in that way. And most of them, well, none of them have ever been on a professional set. So they were just open, like, I would say like how children are. They were like, I don't know what this is. Let's figure it out together. And so they were, I think also because of their life experience, there was no guard up at all. They had, they were very open. So that's how we created that. This is beautiful. Can I, can I serve you?

• 34:40Jessie Ware?

  You can. Thank you.

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• 37:28Speaker 07

  Oh, first of all, wait a minute. I just have to.

• 37:32Jessie Ware?

  He enjoyed that tomato.

• 37:34Speaker 07

  I eat like, I savor, like it's sex. I think we should, we should never just wash food. We have to just like, get in there.

• 37:42Jessie Ware?

  Oh, don't look at me then.

• 37:45Speaker 07

  You're, you're.

• 37:46Jessie Ware?

  Shove it in. One bam, thank you ma.

• 37:49Speaker 07

  What to say about you.

• 37:50Jessie Ware?

  Just get it done.

• 37:51Speaker 07

  Get it done, get out.

• 37:54Speaker 07

  But I think.

• 37:54Speaker 06

  What's it taste like?

• 37:55Jessie Ware?

  Delicious ma.

• 37:56Speaker 06

  Honestly?

• 37:57Jessie Ware?

  Very delicious.

• 37:58Speaker 07

  It's beautiful.

• 37:59Jessie Ware?

  Good.

• 37:59Speaker 07

  And I'm hacking into it.

• 38:01Jessie Ware?

  Good, good. Where do you like, do you like London? Do you like coming here?

• 38:04Speaker 07

  I love London.

• 38:05Jessie Ware?

  Where do you hit up as soon as you get here?

• 38:07Speaker 07

  Soon as I get here. It's funny, I feel like I'm always pretty open. Usually at the Hawksmore, I like, since I, I was living here in 2013 for like a good year and a half. And at first I stayed in Kilburn.

• 38:21Jessie Ware?

  Oh my god.

• 38:24Speaker 07

  And I, that's when I would really just go into pubs and get most of my meals. I'm like, oh, this pub culture here. And then I moved to Borough.

• 38:31Jessie Ware?

  Gorgeous.

• 38:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, which is beautiful. I always go to Borough Market, which is great. And then I lived in Holborn. Nobody lives in Holborn.

• 38:38Jessie Ware?

  No. Did you go to Lamb's Quandary Street a lot?

• 38:41Speaker 07

  I did.

• 38:42Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's great, because it's so good.

• 38:44Speaker 07

  Yeah, I would eat at, um, the Hoxton Holborn usually for breakfast.

• 38:49Jessie Ware?

  Okay, yeah.

• 38:50Speaker 07

  There was made a great, that's where the first time I really discovered like sort of avocado toast. Again, this is like 2013 and avocado toast was not a thing in the States.

• 39:01Jessie Ware?

  Oh, because it came from Australia, didn't it?

• 39:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:03Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Bill, um, Bill Granger, who's passed away, yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, so the moment I was over here, I was like, oh, avocado toast. And my friends would be like, is that guacamole and bread? I'm like, no, it's avocado toast.

• 39:16Jessie Ware?

  Oh, so you know London really well.

• 39:17Speaker 07

  Mm hmm. And and and I, you know, it's funny, I love, um, I guess usually when I'm here for press or something, I would stay in Soho. But I love East London. I love like Dulston, I love Hackney. I love the real neighborhoods. That's why I was very excited to come down here because I'd never been down here. I've been as far as Brixton. And then I'm like, what, I love, I don't know, I just love these, um, these neighborhoods because they always have a good center.

• 39:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 07

  And it's very, lots of green spaces, which is what I love. You can always go to a park. What is that?

• 39:48Jessie Ware?

  What is it?

• 39:49Speaker 06

  I'll tell you what they are. These are cookies, but they're more like marans made with walnuts and cocoa.

• 39:56Speaker 07

  I don't ever want to leave. I don't think I'm ever gonna leave.

• 39:59Speaker 06

  Have some cream as well.

• 40:00Speaker 07

  This is just, no, literally.

• 40:02Speaker 06

  We'll see what you, whether, what you think. They might not be as great as you think.

• 40:06Speaker 07

  What else is in there?

• 40:07Speaker 06

  Just almonds, cocoa and egg white.

• 40:09Speaker 07

  That's it?

• 40:10Speaker 06

  Sugar.

• 40:10Speaker 07

  That's why I took a, yeah.

• 40:12Jessie Ware?

  Well, they're quite, they're fun, Mum. I like them. Can I have some, can I have some of these, please, Mum?

• 40:16Speaker 07

  What made you think of these?

• 40:17Speaker 06

  They were in that cookbook and I just thought, they're called puana naughty biscuits or something, so.

• 40:24Jessie Ware?

  They're light and, yeah, they're really nice, Mum. Do you have a sweet tooth?

• 40:28Speaker 07

  I don't.

• 40:29Speaker 06

  Neither do I.

• 40:29Speaker 07

  I used to do it as a kid, but now I.

• 40:31Jessie Ware?

  We all say with a cookie in our hand, but sure.

• 40:34Speaker 07

  You know, I don't, I feel like I, the, the one thing with my vice is, um, gummy bears. I love gummy bears. Yeah, whenever I'm on a set, all the PAs, they know, they're like, oh, Coleman's working really hard, put some gummy bears there.

• 40:48Jessie Ware?

  So it's like, is it strictly gummy bears or will it be like Harry Bow?

• 40:52Speaker 07

  Love Harry Bow. Yeah. The thing that I love the most.

• 40:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 07

  Is when I come here and I go to M and S.

• 40:58Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Percy Pig.

• 40:59Speaker 07

  Percy Pig. I love Percy Pig. I'm literally, my plan before I go on my flight tomorrow is to go by M and S and get some Percy Pig.

• 41:06Jessie Ware?

  I love that.

• 41:07Speaker 07

  Because we don't sell that there.

• 41:08Jessie Ware?

  And when, when I, as your new friend, come and visit you, she'll bring, I'll bring some Percy.

• 41:13Speaker 07

  Oh, I love that. I love, I've had friends bring me boxes of Percy Pig because I, I love it. I love just keeping it.

• 41:18Jessie Ware?

  I'll bring you a suitcase.

• 41:19Speaker 07

  I appreciate, oh, that's good. Wish she's double, I love it.

• 41:22Jessie Ware?

  Coleman, what would be your last supper? Appetizer, main, dessert, drink of choice?

• 41:29Speaker 07

  My appetizer, because I'm, this is something I've done ever since I was twenty one years old. Every birthday, I go sit somewhere and have by myself a glass of champagne and a dozen oysters. I love oysters. My appetizer would be oysters.

• 41:42Jessie Ware?

  Oh, God. Can I ask why you do that on your own?

• 41:46Speaker 07

  I think it's a day of reflection. Something about fish, I think it's connected to my mom, who always said, you know, fish is, it's abundance as well. And I feel like the idea of having, you need a moment by yourself. I'll take myself somewhere really good. This one, since I was twenty one, I was like, I didn't have a lot of money, but I was like, this is my own treat. It's for me. It's for me to sit, not on a phone, not reading a book, and just reflect. And have a simple glass of champagne, toast the past and where I'm moving to the future. But it really is just a little moment for me. And I'm always telling people, Mike, you need that moment for yourself. And so I've always done that. So it'll be oysters and usually it'll be.

• 42:19Jessie Ware?

  What do you put in the oyster?

• 42:20Speaker 07

  I love, I love.

• 42:21Jessie Ware?

  Sauce or?

• 42:22Speaker 07

  I love a mignonette.

• 42:23Jessie Ware?

  Oh, me too. That's sad. It's like shallot, vinegar.

• 42:27Speaker 07

  Shallot, vinegar or champagne vinegar. And I love, I mean, they're always doing different things with it. What else? I also love it with horseradish as well. The spicier the better. Yeah, I like a little, you need a little kick to open up your nose.

• 42:40Jessie Ware?

  Horts more do good oysters.

• 42:41Speaker 07

  They do great oysters. Yeah, they do. They did some.

• 42:43Jessie Ware?

  Are you a hot sauce guy?

• 42:44Speaker 07

  I am a hot sauce. I love, I love sauces, period. I love condiments. I some, so much so, I, I, I pack little bits of condiments with me on a flight. Cause you never know what food you want to get. And you're like, I need to spice it up. I need to.

• 42:56Jessie Ware?

  So what are your, what are your sauces that you're definitely traveling?

• 42:58Speaker 07

  Barbecue sauce.

• 42:59Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I love. I'm McDonald's barbecue sauce.

• 43:02Speaker 07

  No, not McDonald's barbecue sauce.

• 43:04Jessie Ware?

  I do like that.

• 43:05Speaker 07

  Although I do like it.

• 43:06Jessie Ware?

  I like it.

• 43:07Speaker 07

  I do like it. But you know, it can be any kind of specialty barbecue sauce that has a little kick to it. It could be a peach barbecue sauce.

• 43:13Jessie Ware?

  Peach barbecue? Where are you getting that from?

• 43:15Speaker 07

  You can get it from like these fancy little, you know, places, you know. I'll take you to it in Malibu. Exactly, right? So things like that. I love hot sauces. I have, literally I have a shelf. Thank God this lovely woman came in to organize my sauces in my new house.

• 43:30Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my God. There's a woman that does that?

• 43:32Speaker 07

  There's a woman who comes and organizes your stuff.

• 43:34Jessie Ware?

  She's not the one that did Chrissy Teigen's?

• 43:36Speaker 07

  No, but there's, there's many people.

• 43:37Jessie Ware?

  And she did halada. And it was like, oh my god.

• 43:40Speaker 07

  Put uh uh lazy Susan's that I'd know, I'm in my cabinet that has all my sauces.

• 43:46Jessie Ware?

  Oh, so you can spin it, right? You can find everything.

• 43:49Speaker 07

  And so it's not just rooting through, you know, I didn't even know you can organize that way. My my spices are organized in the drawer, see.

• 43:55Jessie Ware?

  Stunning.

• 43:56Speaker 07

  Instead of, you know, I'm just just reaching in and you're always searching and don't know what you have, but this is, everything's very open. I I love organizers. I I've just gotten into that. Cause I need that.

• 44:05Jessie Ware?

  I need that.

• 44:06Speaker 07

  Saves time.

• 44:07Jessie Ware?

  That's your um, your, your next meal.

• 44:09Speaker 06

  Entree, yeah.

• 44:10Speaker 07

  My entree. My entree, I would say.

• 44:13Speaker 06

  Steak.

• 44:14Jessie Ware?

  No, we don't know yet.

• 44:17Speaker 06

  Okay, I'm guessing now.

• 44:19Speaker 07

  I think it's something that I know I can't live without. This is my last supper, right?

• 44:23Speaker 06

  Yeah. But you're not going to hea- you're not going to heaven or you're not going to be executed.

• 44:28Jessie Ware?

  I don't know, it can be interrupted, which have a, we're definitely not doing death row.

• 44:32Speaker 06

  Give them that you're, we're not, no. Do they have a death row at Sing Sing?

• 44:35Speaker 07

  I I don't know. I'm sure they do. Yeah.

• 44:38Speaker 06

  Did you actually go in the prison? I meant to ask you.

• 44:40Speaker 07

  We didn't go in that we actually shot the exteriors there, but we shot uh the interiors at a decommissioned prison.

• 44:46Speaker 06

  Okay, okay, okay. So they never let you inside?

• 44:49Speaker 07

  No, no, no. I'm sure I don't want to go on either.

• 44:52Speaker 06

  So your main?

• 44:53Speaker 07

  My main, I think, is it main with sides or?

• 44:56Speaker 06

  Whatever you want.

• 44:57Speaker 07

  Okay, my main is probably, it's a thing that I do very well, which is in the summer, for six hours. I smoke ribs. I smoke pork ribs and I do it really beautifully with um, you know, brown sugar. And and a little uh apple, um, apple cider vinegar, um, maybe a little pineapple juice. And I, it it takes its time. You you start with, you know, with, you know, putting it in foil, put it in roast for two, for um. Uh this uh smoker for two hours, pull it back out, then the butter goes on, all the, it's all this nurturing.

• 45:33Speaker 06

  So you've got your own smoker?

• 45:35Speaker 07

  I have my own smoker.

• 45:35Speaker 06

  Is it a green egg?

• 45:37Speaker 07

  It's not a green egg.

• 45:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 45:38Speaker 07

  I I don't know, I I I have an electric one, one of those master built electric.

• 45:42Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 45:43Speaker 07

  With a timer and it but it's fantastic and you put wood chips in there and everything, but I can smoke them for six to seven hours. It would be smoked barbecue pork ribs.

• 45:51Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 45:52Jessie Ware?

  What the sides?

• 45:53Speaker 07

  Sides, you gotta go with collard greens.

• 45:55Speaker 06

  Mmm.

• 45:56Speaker 07

  Not.

• 45:56Speaker 06

  What's a collard green?

• 45:57Jessie Ware?

  They're like this stewed, like they're they're like, they're gorgeous.

• 46:00Speaker 06

  You mean like spring greens?

• 46:02Speaker 07

  They're like kale, they're more, they're closer to kale.

• 46:04Speaker 06

  Kale or chard?

• 46:06Jessie Ware?

  They're a bit more like chard, no?

• 46:08Speaker 07

  I get, no, it's more like kale, but they, you know, they they take the flavor in a great way. Usually you put them in a pot and you start with like some chicken stock and maybe and you always gotta have a piece of smoked meat.

• 46:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 07

  Usually.

• 46:19Jessie Ware?

  It's like ham or something.

• 46:21Speaker 06

  But then it's like a cabbage.

• 46:22Speaker 07

  Like a ham hock or something, you put it in there as well, let it all stew in there with garlic and your whatever seasonings you want. A little sugar is the secret, that's what my mother used to always do. And also, um, you, yeah, something about the smoked meat all of it and you just let it simmer and boil down till it gets a little soft. And it's really, really beautiful. So I will have that as well. Usually gotta have some uh some choices of hot sauce there, you gotta put a little vinegar in there as well.

• 46:45Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 46:46Speaker 07

  Have that on the side.

• 46:48Speaker 06

  What's your carb?

• 46:49Speaker 07

  My carb, the funny thing is I'm not a carb heavy person, yet I would go for some, like a seven cheese mac and cheese.

• 46:57Speaker 06

  Oh, what do you mean seven cheese?

• 47:00Speaker 07

  Let me tell you something, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, you have some macaroni noodles.

• 47:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 07

  Whatever that is with butter and you just, you may get some cheddar and some colby and some all these different cheese mountains, some muenster, whatever.

• 47:14Speaker 06

  So whatever you've got in your fridge.

• 47:15Speaker 07

  Layer it with some cheeses, it's the best thing in the world.

• 47:17Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 47:18Speaker 07

  And don't pan.

• 47:19Speaker 06

  So you don't make it into.

• 47:20Speaker 07

  Put it in a skillet, put it in a.

• 47:21Speaker 06

  Okay, so but don't, so you just grate the cheese in rather than make a cheese sauce?

• 47:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, grate the cheese in.

• 47:27Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 47:28Speaker 07

  So it all bakes together.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, so it just mushes.

• 47:32Speaker 07

  On top because you want a little crust as well.

• 47:34Speaker 06

  Goodness.

• 47:34Speaker 07

  Think about seven cheeses at least, no less than seven. And you put that baby in there and you bake it and it's all oozing and melting together and you take it out. When I say it's the best thing in the world, that's what you will have.

• 47:45Speaker 06

  Seven cheese mac, I'm just thinking maybe.

• 47:47Jessie Ware?

  You should be the new voiceover for M and S.

• 47:49Speaker 07

  There we go.

• 47:50Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 47:50Speaker 06

  You do have the greatest voice in the world. I feel like you'd be like.

• 47:53Jessie Ware?

  This is not just.

• 47:54Speaker 07

  This is not just mac and cheese.

• 47:57Jessie Ware?

  This is seven cheese.

• 47:58Speaker 07

  Seven cheeses at M and S, also an individual singleton.

• 48:04Speaker 07

  That's the thing that I love the most about M and S is when I lived here, I can always just get like half a sandwich or just a little.

• 48:09Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah, you can, yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 07

  You can get that in America. You can buy the whole goddamn thing.

• 48:13Jessie Ware?

  Sandwich, though.

• 48:15Speaker 07

  You know when you don't want the full sandwich, you like.

• 48:18Jessie Ware?

  I want the fucking full sandwich.

• 48:20Speaker 06

  I know.

• 48:21Speaker 07

  Now, my do I have dessert?

• 48:22Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 48:23Speaker 07

  Dessert would have to be, I'm not a huge chocolate fan. I'm very traditional when it comes to desserts. I like a very simple, I think it would be a very simple apple pie. I love an apple.

• 48:37Speaker 06

  Alamo.

• 48:38Speaker 07

  Alamo, absolutely. With like French vanilla or something like that. And even maybe like a piece of cheddar cheese on the side, because I don't know what it might, I'm not sure.

• 48:48Speaker 06

  Goes well.

• 48:48Speaker 07

  Exactly as well, it's good. So I feel like it would be apple pie. That's my favorite.

• 48:51Speaker 06

  Did your mom make?

• 48:52Speaker 07

  My mother, my mother made sweet potato pies, never pumpkin. Something about, it's something about like, it seems like an African American culture, sweet potato was more the standard for pies.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  Did she put marshmallow?

• 49:04Speaker 07

  On top, yeah, she put the little, the little baby marshmallows on top, yeah, exactly.

• 49:07Speaker 06

  And cinnamon?

• 49:07Speaker 07

  Absolutely. It's enough to give you a heart attack. Absolutely, yeah. So, yeah.

• 49:11Speaker 06

  I was gonna do it for Christmas Day.

• 49:12Speaker 07

  Do it. Sweet potato pie?

• 49:14Speaker 06

  I just thought it would be nice.

• 49:15Speaker 07

  Well, I guess I'm coming back. Sweet potato pie, do it.

• 49:19Jessie Ware?

  Before we let you go, and I don't really want you to go.

• 49:22Speaker 06

  Can you stay for a while?

• 49:23Jessie Ware?

  Can you, can you please give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere, because happy or sad?

• 49:33Speaker 07

  A nostalgic taste.

• 49:36Speaker 07

  Here's the nostalgic taste. I have a picture of my mother, who was truly my best friend. And it's her in the kitchen and she, I remember this image too, because she's wearing sort of like a.

• 49:52Speaker 07

  A tank top. I remember she got up, we went to church or something, came home. And she would usually strip down to her slip, you know, back when women wore slips. And then she was like, it was really hot. Cause it was hot, yeah. Yeah, and then she got out of it. And literally, my mother is in her bra and shorts because it was so hot. But I grew, you know, so she's wearing like, you know, one of those cross your heart bras. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing sexual about it whatsoever, but she's standing in the kitchen. And she is with a fork frying chicken. And I remember her sitting, she, she told me, come, come, come in, I wanna, I wanna show you something. And she was showing the kid with care how you fry chicken. Because it was very important for her, for her kids to learn how to cook and take care of themselves.

• 50:37Speaker 07

  And I remember just sitting there and I was like, it's such a happy memory of just watching the grease pop a little bit and just my mother with the, the rack over her shoulder and, and turn the, the fried chicken and, and take it out when it's hot and put it on, um, some paper towels. And she, you remember you have to, you have to make sure the grease all runs off there or whatever. And then she would, um, she says, you wanna taste? Cause you know, it was a thing like, you didn't eat until you were at the table, but say you want a little taste. And so she would give me a little chicken wing, a little, a little chick, she would give me the wing. Which is why I naturally gravitate toward the wing at all times. I love wings. They're sweet. They're sweet and it holds all the flavors. So she would give me the wing and I sat there and I just felt like I was getting a little treat.

• 51:21Speaker 07

  Because I was the first person to get a little, a little bit of the chicken. So it's always fried chicken. So I think that's why I even love, when I usually go home and I have, I've been working for a long time and more than likely, I probably, maybe that's what I'll do this Christmas. I'll go into the kitchen.

• 51:39Speaker 07

  And I'll fry some chicken so I'll feel close to her.

• 51:42Speaker 06

  When did she pass away?

• 51:44Speaker 07

  In two thousand and six.

• 51:46Speaker 06

  Oh, Colin, I'm sorry. That's such a beautiful memory. Thank you for sharing that with us.

• 51:49Speaker 07

  Oh, of course, of course. I mean, I think, and I think maybe that's also the draw of me wanting to come here. I see how close you are and how you cook together. And it's inspiring for people and especially for people who have had losses and they they long for that sometimes.

• 52:04Speaker 06

  I think that's true.

• 52:05Speaker 07

  And you and you find ways, I'm sure, as we, you know, we we won't all be here forever. But you find ways to, I have my mother's name tattooed on my arm.

• 52:15Speaker 06

  What was her name?

• 52:16Speaker 07

  Her name was Edith.

• 52:17Speaker 06

  Edith.

• 52:17Speaker 07

  Oh, Edith. And my production company is called Edith, so I like to say her name all the time. It's because I know she still lives and by having a practice, especially when it comes to food. I I have these little moments, even mentioning ribs. My mother made the best ribs. And she taught me how to make all the things that I love to cook for people. And for me, that memory is fried chicken and watching her in a in a hot summer afternoon in a bra and shorts. And she took her her wig off as well and her hair is just natural and she looked her most beautiful. I always thought she looked her most beautiful when she wasn't in a wig and makeup, you know, and I think that's.

• 52:57Speaker 06

  Did she always wear a wig?

• 52:58Speaker 07

  She only wore a wig when she went out because she just wanted to, she was such a lady and she just wanted everything sexy. Everything was very sexy. My mother was a a a pure lady in many ways.

• 53:08Speaker 06

  Were you were you a churchy family?

• 53:10Speaker 07

  We were not a churchy family. She came from a churchy family, but she she inspired us to find our own path when it comes to uh religion or anything like that. So she she encouraged us, you know, do what makes you feel good.

• 53:24Speaker 06

  Was she in just incredibly proud of you? I mean, did she see you?

• 53:29Speaker 07

  Everything everything about my this whole journey has been because of her. And it's funny, I think, I'm not a person that likes to sort of angelicize people or say, oh, that they were this, but she really was my greatest influence. She taught me how to be curious. She taught me how to try new things. And she wanted me to dream and just like, you know, hey, do whatever, do do what makes you feel good, as long as you're being a good person. You know, so I feel like everything that I have is because of what she. Ported into me and believed in in me.

• 53:59Jessie Ware?

  But she's still there.

• 54:00Speaker 07

  Always.

• 54:01Jessie Ware?

  Always in your heart.

• 54:02Speaker 07

  She's so close to me.

• 54:03Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 54:03Speaker 07

  So close that I know that she's with me. I do believe that. I do believe she's with me. Um, and I feel it. And that's why I feel it feel it so strongly sometimes.

• 54:11Jessie Ware?

  In the new year, what will everything be focused on the award season now?

• 54:16Speaker 07

  You have. No, because I also have to go to work too. It's like award season. It's funny. It takes up a lot of your life, but you also. I I also work in between, like even last year when I was um. On this awards campaign, I was I also had to go back to finish the madness. And I started a movie about Michael Jackson at the same playing Joe Jackson. So I was doing that.

• 54:35Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 07

  And then going to award shows and and doing press. So it's kind of. I I wish I had the luxury to just do one, but it doesn't seem to be my makeup and I I know how to manage it. And at some point, you're going to be exhausted. That's just the truth. But next year I start a few films. I'm doing one with Mr. Steven Spielberg.

• 54:53Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 54:54Speaker 07

  Which is great. He's a beautiful human being and we're going to do a film. I I start that. At the top of the year.

• 55:00Jessie Ware?

  Great.

• 55:00Speaker 07

  I go back to my show Euphoria.

• 55:02Jessie Ware?

  Well, I wanted to ask, so it is coming back?

• 55:05Speaker 07

  Yes, it's coming back. It's coming.

• 55:06Jessie Ware?

  Have you read any of the?

• 55:07Speaker 07

  I haven't read, but he's told me about some of it and it's really.

• 55:10Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I haven't really.

• 55:12Speaker 07

  It's gonna be groundbreaking.

• 55:12Jessie Ware?

  Mom, it's, I mean, you haven't watched it.

• 55:14Speaker 07

  Oh, it it might be triggering for the first episode, but you gotta keep going.

• 55:17Jessie Ware?

  It's like when I watch it, I was like, oh, my God, I have a daughter. And I have two sons. This is really, is this how it's gonna go?

• 55:24Speaker 07

  It's about young people in high school and.

• 55:26Jessie Ware?

  Oh, no, I'd love it. But but you.

• 55:28Speaker 07

  It's a little racy. It's a little racy. It's about a young addict. Played by Zendaya.

• 55:33Jessie Ware?

  Who you have a direct relationship with.

• 55:35Speaker 07

  And I play and I play her as sponsor.

• 55:38Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 07

  And um.

• 55:39Jessie Ware?

  Okay, I must watch it.

• 55:41Speaker 07

  Now, you gotta watch it.

• 55:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I definitely will.

• 55:42Speaker 07

  Binge that next. Binge that.

• 55:43Jessie Ware?

  Which one is it on, Jess?

• 55:44Speaker 06

  Oh, God, it's it's it's quite.

• 55:46Jessie Ware?

  Will I not will not like it? I think you may just be like.

• 55:48Speaker 06

  Too much sex.

• 55:49Jessie Ware?

  Upset at the world.

• 55:50Speaker 06

  Too too much sex?

• 55:52Jessie Ware?

  I I it's. Or is it a lot of sex? It's beyond. It's quite. There's like brutal.

• 55:57Speaker 06

  Brutalizing.

• 55:58Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 07

  But but but you but you'll there's a reason for it. You'll get to it. And then you'll get to some special episodes in the center where it's just like me and Zendaya. Sitting at a dining and a diner talking.

• 56:08Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 56:08Speaker 07

  And that won't be triggering at all. You can even watch that out of context and you want to get some contextualization of the show. Watch the special episode with just me and Zendaya in a diner. It's called. Trouble Don't Last Always, the episode.

• 56:19Speaker 06

  Okay, and is this on Netflix?

• 56:22Speaker 07

  It's on, it's on HBO in the States, so what is that here?

• 56:24Jessie Ware?

  I think I watched it on Sky, I think it's Sky Atlantic, it's Sky Atlantic.

• 56:28Speaker 06

  Oh, I'll watch it then.

• 56:29Jessie Ware?

  He, you are fantastic in it.

• 56:31Speaker 06

  You're fantastic in everything.

• 56:33Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 56:33Speaker 06

  And do you think the film will be nominated for the, an award?

• 56:37Speaker 07

  You know what?

• 56:38Speaker 06

  When do you find out?

• 56:39Speaker 07

  You know, you, you find out, you know, it's funny, I keep dates out of my head because I just try to deal with what's in front of me.

• 56:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:45Speaker 07

  But I know, I think in January, the beautiful thing is I, I, I have hopes for the film because I think of the messages of the film. I don't feel this way about everything, but I feel like if this film gets a nomination or even a win, it's incredible for everything about it, the way we've made the film, when it comes to the financial parody, because everyone in the film owns the film. Equal pay. Equal pay.

• 57:06Speaker 06

  Fantastic.

• 57:07Speaker 07

  I feel good, it'll tell, it'll tell the, the universe and the industry about what we want to amplify and stories about people like this, hanging on to hope in a place like prison. For me, it's like, it all goes towards all the messages of the film. If my work's honoured, Clarence's work, our ensemble, you name it. So I, I'm one of those people, I will, I will never be an actor who, who said, you know, I think a lot of people will sit here and say, oh, they don't matter. I'm like, it does matter because it matters for more amplification of more stories like this. You know, so, so you know, it's recognition, so you can keep singing songs and playing music and you're like, there's analytics in, in acknowledgement that means something to systems.

• 57:46Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 57:47Speaker 07

  And if, and if it helps amplify and push it forward, I say, why not? I, I'm, I'm, I'm very proud of the work.

• 57:53Speaker 06

  I just didn't even know about the RTA till I saw the first, did you know about it?

• 57:57Jessie Ware?

  Um, no, I didn't, but I know that it, there was a, was it a Rolling Stone article or something?

• 58:01Speaker 07

  Esquire, I remember.

• 58:02Jessie Ware?

  Esquire, like years ago about it. But I mean, you know, it's important stories like that that need to be told. And it's, it's such an honour to meet you, but also just, I'm thrilled for you that everything, it feels like it's your world and we're all gonna be a part of it and we can't wait to see everything else that you're in and you're just a superstar. So thank you for taking the time when it's so close to Christmas and you have much better things to do.

• 58:25Speaker 06

  You're slept over here and you're going home tomorrow.

• 58:26Speaker 07

  Thank you, but this is, this is a perfect send off and a perfect way to go into the new year. Deal with you and break bread. Thank you so much.

• 58:33Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 58:49Jessie Ware?

  Well Mum, are you in love?

• 58:50Speaker 06

  Completely besottedly in love. I feel, I kind of feel I've adopted him as my son. I'll be rooting for him now for every award. And if he doesn't win, I'll have the disappointed face.

• 59:03Jessie Ware?

  Coleman Domingo is, that is generosity with the answers and just the way that he came in. He's at the end of a mad, gruelling press tour and he's made time to come over here so close to Christmas.

• 59:17Speaker 06

  He's just completely adorable.

• 59:19Jessie Ware?

  I absolutely loved it. I love him. I think that, you know, the work he's put in. At the end, he told us he was 55 and we were like, sorry, what?

• 59:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:28Jessie Ware?

  He's been...

• 59:29Speaker 06

  He looks, he's timeless.

• 59:31Jessie Ware?

  He's a working actor that is now finally getting his flowers. I mean, he's been getting them for a while, but it's just, it's, and it's so deserved. And it's really exciting to see where he goes next. But Sing Sing, please go and watch it. It's incredibly tender, beautiful, powerful film.

• 59:49Speaker 06

  And it's an important film.

• 59:51Jessie Ware?

  It's really important and you know how...

• 59:53Speaker 06

  What are you doing with your phone?

• 59:54Jessie Ware?

  Coleman's like, text me, but I've just looked at the picture of him for his text message. How cute. Him as a little kid, looking pretty dandy and stylish then.

• 1:00:04Speaker 06

  The smile!

• 1:00:06Jessie Ware?

  So cute. Coleman Domingo, you're my new best friend. You can watch Coleman Domingo in Sing Sing or The Madness on Netflix or Rustin or Euphoria.

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