Matt Smith, Tom Glynn-Carney, & Fabien Frankel (HOUSE OF THE DRAGON)

Three of the key actors leading HOUSE OF THE DRAGON assemble for this fun live chat taped at New York Comic Con. Matt Smith, Tom Glynn-Carney, and Fabien Frankel chat with Josh about their HOUSE OF THE DRAGON origin stories, the fandom, the future, and who hasn't seen STAR WARS and LORD OR THE RINGS! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Uncommon Goods – Visit UncommonGoods.com/podcast/HappySad for 15% off BetterHelp -- Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BetterHelp.com/HSC ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠for 10% off UPCOMING LIVE EVENTS 12/1 -- Natasha Lyonne at 92Y in NY -- Tickets here 12/3 -- John David Washington at 92Y in NY -- ⁠Tickets here⁠ 12/18 – Billy Eichner at 92Y in NY – Tickets here 12/19 -- Ben Schwartz at 92Y in NY -- ⁠Tickets here Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Josh's youtube channel here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Josh Horowitz?

  What's a movie you're embarrassed to admit you've never seen?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  You're gonna hate me for this. I've never watched Star Wars the whole way through.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  I've never seen... I didn't. Well, I've never seen Return of the Jedi the whole way through, yeah. Don't hate me, don't hate me.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins now.

• 0:26Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, Josh here with a very quick note before this episode of Happy Sad Confused. It's a special one taped live at New York Comic Con just a few weeks back with three of the stars of House of the Dragon. That's right, in front of 4,000 very enthusiastic fans. I had a great chat with Matt Smith, with Tom Glynn Carney, and Fabian Frankel. You're gonna hear all the laughter, all the love in the air in front of 4,000 strong at Jacob Javits Center. I hope you guys enjoy this, and without any further ado, let's go right to the live event. Me and the cast of House of the Dragon. Hi guys, how's it going? Welcome, Happy Sunday. Welcome to the Empire Stage. I feel like I live here, I never want to leave.

• 1:10Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you for being here, guys. You ready for this? This is a big one.

• 1:16Josh Horowitz?

  A lot of love in the room, and I know why. Because we are gonna celebrate three amazing actors from an extraordinary show, House of the Dragon.

• 1:26Josh Horowitz?

  By the way, whether you know it or not, you're in the middle of my podcast right now. This is a live taping of Happy Sad Confused, so welcome, 4,000 of you.

• 1:34Josh Horowitz?

  We are closing out Comic Con in style, but again, celebrating this beloved show. I'm just gonna bring them out, because I have 1,000 questions, and you want to hear from them, not me. So give a warm New York Comic Con welcome to Fabian Frankel, to Tom Glynn Carney, and to the nerd god himself, Matt Smith, everybody. Come on, everybody. Fabian, Fabian! Come on out!

• 1:59Josh Horowitz?

  Tom!

• 2:03Josh Horowitz?

  And some Matt Smith, there he is.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  We're like, all three of us were not expecting so many people, to be honest. In fact, it's like, dang, there's a lot of people out there.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  It was like 200 people, there's about 3,000 people in here.

• 2:31Josh Horowitz?

  That'll wake you up, that's a good, nice little ego boost for the day. Welcome, guys, I thought you all got the memo, I thought you were gonna be in character, in costume today, but no, civilian clothes.

• 2:40Speaker 03

  It takes too long to get the wig on, so...

• 2:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I get it, I get it. I have to say, by the way, whenever I watch the after shows that you guys do, when you do the interviews in wardrobe, is that odd? When you're like, having a deep conversation about the arc of the character, etc.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  You kind of forget you've got it on, at that point.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  Speak for yourself, mate.

• 3:03Josh Horowitz?

  Fabian's always aware. Matt, you've been coming to these for many years. But it's never old hat, is it? Do you remember, do you remember the first ones you went to and what it felt like to kind of receive that love?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  I do, yeah. The first Con I went to was in New Orleans, and I brought my best mate, actually Bondi, who's at the back. And now, he works and looks after actors who come to the Cons. And, yeah, I was sort of overwhelmed, really, with the energy of a proper Comic-Con like this. It's cool, isn't it?

• 3:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a good vibe.

• 3:38Josh Horowitz?

  Do you guys think about when you sign on to something like this? You probably put it out of your mind, I would imagine, this side of it. But you're aware, obviously, there's gonna be a fandom and you're gonna be exposed to the craziness.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I feel like, this isn't, this isn't our everyday life. There's so many people right now, so many phones, so scared, terrified.

• 4:05Josh Horowitz?

  You're in a safe space, 4,000 people love you, this is good.

• 4:13Josh Horowitz?

  Have you seen, you must by now have seen folks cosplay as your characters. Have you seen cosplay, tattoos, everything under the sun?

• 4:22Speaker 03

  I saw one of Matt yesterday. I saw one of you, your face on a lady's leg.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  I actually know her. I actually know her. Yeah.

• 4:31Josh Horowitz?

  You know her?

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I met her a few years ago. And she's got like all the different kind of signatures from people in Doctor Who. I mean, I've seen things that my eyes can never take back.

• 4:41Josh Horowitz?

  But Matt encourages it. Matt wants you to tattoo your bodies forever.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Oh, god, yeah. Get it done. No, no, no.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Definitely don't.

• 4:49Josh Horowitz?

  If you could tattoo any fictional character on your body, would you consider?

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a cracking question. Um, ooh.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  From our show or any show?

• 5:03Josh Horowitz?

  Any show. It could be your show, though.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Jack Jack from The Incredibles, I think.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  Oh, who? Yeah, that's a good one.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Who, who, who?

• 5:11Speaker 04

  Jack Jack.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Jack Jack.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  In what?

• 5:13Speaker 03

  The Incredibles.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  The kid, right?

• 5:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:17Josh Horowitz?

  Anything, Matt?

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's a reference that no one will get, but...

• 5:21Josh Horowitz?

  It's okay.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Alan Partridge.

• 5:22Josh Horowitz?

  Sure, yeah.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 5:25Josh Horowitz?

  Ah ha!

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Back of the net.

• 5:30Josh Horowitz?

  Tom, you'll go with Alan Partridge too, matching tattoos with Matt, so you guys can walk around celebrating Alan?

• 5:35Speaker 04

  I'd probably get Danny DeVito from Only Son.

• 5:39Speaker 03

  My man, my man.

• 5:42Josh Horowitz?

  Are all fandoms created equal? Matt, can you clock a Doctor Who fan from a House of the Dragon fan at this point in your life as they approach?

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a very good question. Yeah, I mean, often by their attire, but no, I think, I think, I think there's, um... I also, there seems to be quite a lot of kind of crossover, cross pollination between fans, doesn't there?

• 6:03Speaker 01

  It's all, you know, we're all here for the same purpose.

• 6:06Josh Horowitz?

  That's right, celebrating nerd-dom. Talk to me a little bit about your origin story with this show. Had any of you been up for Game of Thrones? Or was House of the Dragon the first time you encountered this world?

• 6:18Speaker 04

  No, I'd never seen Game of Thrones before. I didn't even...

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Never seen it?

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Never seen it, no.

• 6:24Josh Horowitz?

  Good show, you should check it out.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  It's good, yeah. I've heard of it.

• 6:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  I've heard of it.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  But to be fair, when we got the sides through and the for the tape and the audition, there was nothing to indicate that it was the show that we were gonna do. At least for me it wasn't. It was dummy sides, so we weren't told, you know, it was gonna be House of the Dragon.

• 6:46Josh Horowitz?

  So it was like a similar character traits, but not the specific?

• 6:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, there was a similar sort of tone to the language. It felt medieval, it felt sort of semi-classical, which was a massive draw to me. I thought it was theatre before people told me what it was. Yeah, and then it became evident after that when we got on the Zoom call with Ryan and Miguel and the team and stuff, and they were telling you what it was all about. But other than that, I didn't know. So then I went and watched Game of Thrones. I think I did the whole eight seasons in about four weeks.

• 7:18Josh Horowitz?

  A day.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, just blasted through it.

• 7:21Josh Horowitz?

  And how did that feel then, having now seen what they were capable of doing, the kind of extraordinary storytelling, now knowing, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be continuing this story?

• 7:29Speaker 04

  Great, great. I mean, it's an amazing opportunity as an actor to be part of a show like this that has such a following, but also is you're given so much time to be creative and be collaborative in the process as well, you know? It's a gift, yeah, it really is.

• 7:46Josh Horowitz?

  Fabian, was your audition process somewhat similar?

• 7:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I read for a character called Sir Clint. And I thought it was a western thing, but, no. Yeah, it was like an audition for this guy called Sir Clint. He sort of like seemed pretty bitter about some things. Nothing like the character, obviously.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  And so, yeah, and then I didn't hear anything for about a year. They told me they were looking for more of a Jason Momoa type. Which of course is me. And, uh, no, no. Jason was busy. Yeah, Jason was busy, uh, doing Aquaman. And, um, and then I, and then I finally heard back that they'd, they'd, they'd taken back their offer of a more, uh, memorial type guy. They wanted a sort of, someone who, I don't know, smaller than Jason. And, um.

• 8:41Josh Horowitz?

  Well, like the rest of us, like every other human being on the planet.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then I rocked up and made this western show called House of the Dragon.

• 8:47Josh Horowitz?

  There you go. The rest is history. Matt, how did you encounter this at first? And was it a, was it an easy yes? Or is it, there's some soul searching of this kind of commitment?

• 8:56Speaker 01

  I always procrastinate over everything, everything. What eggs to have, you know, it's like, like, let alone a big, long job. So there was a lot of procrastination, but yeah, it was kind of similar to the boys, really. You get a script, you go in, you're like, ah, what is this? And I was, I always knew the character was quite cool. You know, I thought there was a sort of gray edge to him that was really interesting. And I thought, oh, that might be quite nice to explore. And, um, and just nice to, to make a show that has sort of the scale and ambition of the show that we're, we're trying to make. You know, it's good. I'd, I'd never done that, really. Show with loads of money.

• 9:28Josh Horowitz?

  Is there anything in retrospect you wish you'd known on day one that they had told you about?

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 9:35Josh Horowitz?

  How much time do we have?

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, how long you got? The wigs are hard.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  The wigs, the bald caps, the pins.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Listen, I've been talking, cause I'm, I'm here working on a different job and I've been talking to the makeup people there going, is there, is there a way around it? And they're like, there is.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  No.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 9:51Speaker 01

  What, the wig, the ball cap thing? I'm going back armed, man, I tell you. I'm going back armed.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  But you're halfway there, you're halfway there now.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm just gonna shave my hair.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I did.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  I can't go through it again, man, I can't, it kills me. Sorry, these are champagne problems, aren't they? This is.

• 10:06Josh Horowitz?

  No. You, Matt, you are on a hair journey throughout your career. You really are.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Also, just to, to be clear about this, it feels like we're about to be abducted by aliens.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Like, this isn't Comic Con, this, I'm in some sort of science fiction movie. And we're all about to be abducted, cause whatever's going up, uh, on here.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  That's unnecessarily intense, lads. It feels like the end of the world is starting right now.

• 10:28Josh Horowitz?

  Not a conversation.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  It's not bloody candlelight, is it?

• 10:34Josh Horowitz?

  So wigs versus prosthetics versus uncomfortable armour. Who's got it worse?

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Well, one mate, these two got it bad, mate.

• 10:42Josh Horowitz?

  Make your case.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  No, no, Tom doesn't have it bad. I have it bad.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:47Josh Horowitz?

  Let's hear your sad story. How does it feel?

• 10:49Speaker 01

  How do I not have it bad? I'm sat in the chair for seven hours.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  That is actually, sorry, I actually take that. But Tom had it easier last year. Tom has it terrible now. He lost half his face.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  And my cock.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  But, yeah.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Thank you so much for having us.

• 11:12Josh Horowitz?

  But on the plus side, you get to sit down a lot. You get to lie down a lot, so that evened out.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he hasn't got a cock. I mean, what?

• 11:20Josh Horowitz?

  I'm trying to look at the bright side.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Sorry, if there's any kids in the audience. Don't let your parents bring you to Comic Con, for god's sake.

• 11:31Josh Horowitz?

  Do you encounter children, like, that are far too young? That's, yeah, you're not allowed. That are far too young to watch this show? That say, "I'm a big fan"? And what do you think?

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, my, my, my best friend's nephew is 10. And he watched the whole show. Everything. Tom losing his cock, all of it. And, um, and he's only 10. So it feels like he's probably too young. I, I would say. But, but, you know, I'm not his father, so, so, you know.

• 12:05Josh Horowitz?

  Someone else's problem.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Somebody else's, somebody else's problem. And if he becomes a bit maniacal when he's older, you know, we'll know why.

• 12:19Josh Horowitz?

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• 13:02Josh Horowitz?

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• 15:46Josh Horowitz?

  When you see, when you see the sides for the day and you know you're playing a scene with one of your, your friends up here, what are you in for? What's unique about playing a scene with Matt, with Tom, with Fabian? What do you know?

• 15:58Speaker 04

  Well, unfortunately, we don't get any scenes with Matt. We're kept very separate, which is a shame, and I hope that at some point we get to go toe to toe, because that'd be fun. Love that. Yeah, it'd be great, wouldn't it? But I think, you know, we're all, we're all like-minded people when it comes to what excites us as actors. And I think that it's only when it becomes electric and when you've got the potential to bounce off each other in a scene. Fabian and I had a great scene in season two with Reese, who plays Otto, where we really felt like animals in the space and we were able to inhabit that and, and, and change it every time we, we did a new take. And that for us is, well, that for me is exciting as an actor to be able to do that

• 16:43Speaker 04

  and to do it differently each time.

• 16:45Josh Horowitz?

  And probably surprising, given like how big the show is, I think the preconception would be like you're locked in.

• 16:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:51Josh Horowitz?

  But I guess they create such an amazing environment. You walk onto set, that does 25% of the work. The prosthetics do a little bit of the work and then you're off to the races with some good, some good actors to work with. Um, yeah, go ahead, Fabian.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no. It was a thought and then I, it's gone.

• 17:08Josh Horowitz?

  It's okay. It's all good.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 17:11Josh Horowitz?

  Biggest change between season one and season two for you guys? I mean, obviously by the time you get on set, season two, you know what you're in for. You know how the sausage is made. So is there just more of a comfort level by the time you got back on season two, or what?

• 17:26Josh Horowitz?

  Or not, apparently?

• 17:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I had a haircut.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  I don't know, did it feel different? I mean, I think it feels like, it feels a lot like when you're, you leave, you leave school for the summer and then you come back and you're like a bit nervous to see everyone. There's like, you know, you might be in trouble with some teachers. You feel like you've probably done a bit of homework, but maybe not as much as you should have done. And then you kind of get there and then it's all, it's all the same as it was the year before, I feel. But yeah, I don't know. It was exciting, this, the second season was exciting to come, come back to, I thought. Because it felt, I think we were less nervous. I think it was very nerve wracking, the first season, especially for like, us who were just like, right at the beginning of our careers. We just felt very, a big imposter syndrome, I think. And I think the second season around, there were so many new other actors that were coming

• 18:20Speaker 03

  in, that it was their first, you know, like, big foray into like a big job. And so I think weirdly, like, it felt maybe it's slightly less stressful, if that makes sense.

• 18:30Josh Horowitz?

  How would you assess your abilities as Hand of the King? Would you say? Are you, on a scale of one to 10?

• 18:37Speaker 03

  What do you guys think?

• 18:43Speaker 03

  So one person claps.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Yes, how would I assess my abilities as Hand of the King? You know, I made some choices, definitely, you know? And how would you assess my abilities as your Hand?

• 19:03Speaker 04

  Not my question, mate, that's your question.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Tommy did, Tommy did choose. I think Tom, you should ask Tom about it, just because it was his choice, I think.

• 19:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, actually, great points. What are you thinking, man?

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Egon is good at making rash decisions.

• 19:18Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Being very impulsive and, yeah, but also, you know, Kristen had proved himself to be somebody who

• 19:28Speaker 04

  made, took action, you know?

• 19:30Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  And then didn't just talk about things, he did things. And you could see the proof of that. And I think Egon needed somebody in his, in his space that behaved in that way and didn't just discuss things and send ravens and write letters and all that shit. He needed somebody to, needed somebody to actually do something.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  He's gonna get shit done. He's gonna do something.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  He wanted to spill blood, not ink, you know, so, there you go. Kristen Cole, everybody.

• 19:59Josh Horowitz?

  There you go.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  I've, I've also always been convinced that Damon and Kristen have had some sort of homoerotic twist in the evening.

• 20:11Josh Horowitz?

  And now we're getting somewhere.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  There was like, they, they kind of hate each other, but they love each other, but they hate each other, but they love each other, like.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  If you watch closely, there's a lot of tension where it isn't written in the show.

• 20:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Has this actually been discussed on set before a scene, like, let's add this layer? What do you think?

• 20:29Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  No, it just sort of happens, it's sort of like magic, isn't it?

• 20:32Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you can't deny it. It's just what it is.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  What are you gonna do?

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're both in our armor.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Things happen.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  He likes one queen, I like another queen.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Then I like one queen, then I like another queen.

• 20:49Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you mentioned the shades of gray in all these characters and throughout the story. I mean, do you all view your own character, in a sense, no matter how dark or horrible their decisions might be, as somewhat of a hero of their own story, or no?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  I, I always feel that with any character I play, that you like, because you sort of, instinctually, you kind of protect them, even if they're the worst of the worst of the absolute worst. And you're like, yeah, I mean, it's his niece.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  But...

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Hmm, and then you're like, yeah, but it's his niece. You're like, but...

• 21:29Josh Horowitz?

  That butt is doing a lot of work for you as an actor.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Well, exactly. And then you're like, so, but, but, you know, you, you do sort of.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  You need to.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  You, you, you back them. Because if you don't, then how do you, I suppose?

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah, you need to find a justification for their actions and, um, you can't come to them with any judgment at all. Because as soon as that happens, everybody else turns them, turns their back on, on your character as well.

• 21:52Josh Horowitz?

  So what are the mental gymnastics in your head, the justifications you've made for your character as a?

• 21:56Speaker 04

  Just, you, you have to dig into the reasons that person behaves the way they behave. There's, there's always a reason for it. Um, and, you know, you can kind of, you can blame it on previous trauma. You can blame it on the current situation they're in. You can blame it on their personality type or whatever, but any of those are valid, uh, explanations for, you know,

• 22:20Speaker 04

  why they do the things they do. It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. It's a different thing.

• 22:25Josh Horowitz?

  You went on quite the journey this past season. Met lots of visions, lots of amazing looks into the future. How do you think Damon's changed from the beginning of season two to the end?

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Don't ask me. I mean, um, oh, no, I look, I don't know. Look, I, I think, I think fundamentally, the death of his brother was the big, you know, I think he loved his brother. One of the only few people he did love. His brother is Dragon and, you know, his wife.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  And, um, I, yeah, so I think, I think that sort of obviously instilled an odd level of psychosis in him on some level. The grief that he just couldn't really deal with and cope with and, and, um, you know, he took himself for a wet holiday, as it were.

• 23:10Josh Horowitz?

  When you have to deliver like a hugely dramatic scene in High Valerian, is that like, oh, can't we just do it in English today? Can't we just like, like?

• 23:19Speaker 01

  I actually find it quite liberating.

• 23:20Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I thought I'd hate it, but I kind of, I mean, I, I don't know how you feel about the Valerian. I, I quite like it.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Very good at it, though.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Am I?

• 23:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, very good at it.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks, mate. Well, actually, do you know who was best at it was, um, uh, uh, uh, no, no, no. Emma's amazing at it. I've gone blank.

• 23:40Josh Horowitz?

  Millie.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, Mills. Mills is brilliant at it. Yeah, no, I'm just proud.

• 23:44Josh Horowitz?

  Now we just call her Supergirl, right?

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Mills was absolutely amazing at it. Yeah, it's cool though, it's quite liberating because you can, I mean, I didn't speak a different language, but Fabstars, and there's something, I don't know, you can access a different part of their personality in a way, which, yeah, he's quite, he's sort of more relaxed in High Valerian.

• 24:02Josh Horowitz?

  You, you, you mentioned, Emma, the scenes between you two are electric, always. Talk to me about the evolution of that relationship on and off screen, as actors and as characters, what's it been like?

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've actually become really close off screen. I love them. I, I'm full of the deepest admiration for them as an actor and a person, actually. And to see them from, you know, I mean, to see all of the actors really through, through the process has been amazing. And we're so blessed with, with this amazing young cast of actors who are gonna leave us, leave us all behind and go and do amazing things. What, Emma's, Emma's extraordinary.

• 24:41Josh Horowitz?

  Extraordinary, yeah.

• 24:45Josh Horowitz?

  What, what's the most common conversation topic on set, totally unrelated to How's the Dragon?

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Oh god, it's hot, I don't want to be here.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Oh god, when you, when you...

• 24:56Speaker 04

  I've got such a massive headache from this fucking wig.

• 25:01Josh Horowitz?

  Who could possibly say that, though?

• 25:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. Or where's Reese Fenn?

• 25:08Josh Horowitz?

  Has, has dragon riding technique evolved? Has, has the technology evolved at all from season one to season two?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, actually, it did evolve a bit. I think, I think the, the buck got, could have, you know, more technology put on it, basically.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  But there are still two guys at the front with leaf blowers.

• 25:27Josh Horowitz?

  Which must make you feel super cool.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  They always look exhausted.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  I'm the real star of the show. Those poor guys there all day.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  Meanwhile, all the actors are like, oh, man, my fucking head hurts from this wig. Fucking guy leaf blowing for like two and a half hours.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Absolutely exhausted.

• 25:49Josh Horowitz?

  How are you guys generally with keeping the secrets of the show? Like, how much do you keep it to yourself, tell friends and family?

• 25:58Speaker 04

  I think, yeah, we get away, I just forget everything, so.

• 26:01Josh Horowitz?

  That's good, that works.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  I'm in no danger of giving any secrets away. Forget everything, yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  You know.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  Fabian's not so good at it.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  No, I, no, I haven't, no.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  You've never given anything away.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  No, I don't know, I don't know, sometimes, when Paddy died, when Viserys died, I feel like that's like, that was kind of happening. And I just remember going home and being like, it's crazy, Paddy's dead. And like, that was just like a huge, like, you can't say that. But not real, not real time, but then someone was like, Paddy constantly died? And I was like, no, no, sorry, no, not Paddy, Paddy's alive, but Viserys.

• 26:34Josh Horowitz?

  We all got worried for a second, yeah. What about you? I mean, because you obviously played some scenes with Paddy, Millie, Millie's Return. Pretty good at bottling it up by now.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  I am actually, yeah, I got good at that when I did Doctor Who. I was, I was always quite good at like. Whoop. And, um, yeah, so I got pretty well sort of trained in that, in that department.

• 26:55Josh Horowitz?

  So, speaking of spoilers, has anybody seen a script, anything, season three?

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Nothing, not a jot.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Not a letter.

• 27:03Josh Horowitz?

  Does it make you anxious? Are you like pestering the writers, the showrunners, anything? Or are you just like, when it comes, it comes?

• 27:09Speaker 04

  No, the longer they take, the longer, you know, we don't have to read anything for a while.

• 27:14Josh Horowitz?

  Right, less work, yeah, yeah. If you want to just give it to me as I step on set, better, yeah, yeah.

• 27:21Josh Horowitz?

  Have, but they have, in just conversation, have they given you an inkling of what's in store?

• 27:25Speaker 01

  I mean, I've not, I've not heard hide nor hair. I, I don't know about you guys, why, why is that funny?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  I've not heard hide nor bloody hair. Um, no, yeah, no, I, I've not heard a thing of you.

• 27:38Speaker 03

  I've, I've heard some.

• 27:40Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, Fabian, someone's heard.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  See, yeah, Fabian's always got his finger on the pulse.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  I've, I've heard some things that I couldn't possibly share here.

• 27:48Josh Horowitz?

  What do you selfishly or not so selfishly want for your character next season? Have you made any requests of the writers, an interaction, anything?

• 27:57Speaker 01

  But it makes me think that I should.

• 28:02Josh Horowitz?

  You're Matt Smith, you can make some requests by now.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Bloody might, actually.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  I don't know, yeah, I don't know. I mean, there are people that you don't get the chance to work with. Like, Matt and I worked quite a lot together in season one. I didn't get to work with them at all this season.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  How does that happen, though?

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, crazy.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  You're like fighting a war.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, crazy.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  God knows what I'm doing.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, you're at home with no cock. It's like...

• 28:33Speaker 03

  We must just give up now.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:35Josh Horowitz?

  Tom's hope is just to get that cock back next season, right?

• 28:38Speaker 04

  That'd be nice.

• 28:39Josh Horowitz?

  That'd be nice.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Age is imprecet. Sorry, this has taken a turn for the worse.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  That has taken a turn.

• 28:49Josh Horowitz?

  I'm just following your lead, yeah. We do know that there is an end point. Is it good to know that there is an end? Like, you know specifically that there's an end coming after four seasons? Is that helpful for you as an actor, as opposed to have it open-ended?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Otherwise, you know, you just don't know, do you? It's just shit.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Sorry, I got distracted. My water bottle went all over my trousers.

• 29:17Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, no.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Tommy.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  I've now, like, I've pissed myself.

• 29:22Josh Horowitz?

  So much crotch-related content to Tom today.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  Nightmare.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Comic Con 2024, Tom Glencamp pisses himself on stage.

• 29:32Josh Horowitz?

  Nobody take a photo out of context. This just happens.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Oh, my word.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  That's bad.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Go on, fat dude, show them.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  That's bad.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Do you want a cloth?

• 29:44Speaker 04

  I've been done dirty by my own water bottle.

• 29:51Josh Horowitz?

  You're not gonna tell me lying in bed all that time. That never happened.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  All right, has anyone got a hairdryer?

• 29:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  Oh, no. Any excuse to get close to Tom's bum.

• 30:02Josh Horowitz?

  Who's most likely to have the House of the Dragon? Dragon theme on there as a ringtone. Does anybody have it saved on their phone?

• 30:09Speaker 01

  None of us.

• 30:11Speaker 04

  No, none of us, I don't think.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  None of us. I mean, who?

• 30:13Speaker 04

  Freddie Fox.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  Can't imagine that.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  No, no, he's far too classy.

• 30:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's a good question.

• 30:22Josh Horowitz?

  Is that, that's not a motivational thing in the gym? I'm gonna listen to the theme on, on repeat.

• 30:27Speaker 04

  Do you know what? Maybe Ewan Mitchell.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Ewan, yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  Maybe Ewan Mitchell.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  But it'd be like, I'm really, really quiet, like, I'm so quiet. And you'd be like, Ewan, what's that? And he'd be like, nothing, nothing.

• 30:40Josh Horowitz?

  Who's most likely to have no idea what's actually happening in the scene? So it'd be totally confused and just sort of going through the motions.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  Reece if I'm.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  Reece if I'm. Like, he'd know exactly what's happening with his character, but he'd be like, I've no idea what's going on at this point. No idea what's going on today. Who am I?

• 30:57Josh Horowitz?

  He's a kind of a delicious enigma to me, Reece. Like, what's, what's, what's the?

• 31:01Speaker 01

  The funniest man on the planet.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Ever, ever. I've ever met, like, it's unbearable to work with him, actually. Like, it's, every day is an uphill struggle to try and do something professional. And I feel like, I literally can, can feel HBO behind the monitor going like, Jesus fucking Christ. Reece, Fabian and Olivia Cook in a fucking scene together. Good luck with this, mate. Tommy's actually quite good at keeping it together. You are, you're better than us, aren't you?

• 31:29Speaker 04

  I, I try and shut myself, because as soon as I go, I'm not coming back, you know?

• 31:33Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, you have to just sort of close it out.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  You're quite good, you're quite good at keeping it together. Although, there was one time on The Bridge where you did, you did lose it in season one.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  With you, yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  With Reece.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna keep it together with you and Reece, mate. I know, with the hats. Oh, man, Reece in that metal hat. He had this army behind him and you, I was like, mate, that army ain't getting through nowhere, bro.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  And he said, they showed him the helmet. They showed him the helmet, they were like, this is it. He was like, absolutely fucking not, no, it's not. I'm not wearing that, no way, no way. Get whoever you need to get down here now, I'm not fucking wearing that.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  It, hang on, that's been your screensaver for about a year, hasn't it?

• 32:12Speaker 03

  It is, it is on my phone. I'm not gonna get that, he would be so pissed.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  He's far too smart for his head. It's just like.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  And he looks so angry. He looks so miserable.

• 32:25Josh Horowitz?

  Wow.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  It was hard, that scene though, wasn't it? It was like four days on that imaginary bridge that wasn't a bridge.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  And then we had to like, they were like, yeah, there was like, there's a dragon going overhead. It was our second week and everyone had to like duck for the dragon. Oh my god, dragon dude. But it was actually like a guy holding a laser.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  And all the actors being like, I don't know dude, I can't even see the laser anymore. And Rees being like, I don't know what this laser is. Is it a dragon? What is it?

• 32:51Josh Horowitz?

  Who is best and worst at pretending there's a dragon that's not there at all?

• 32:56Speaker 01

  I think we're all pretty good at that one.

• 32:57Josh Horowitz?

  You nailed that? That's in the skill set now?

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all quite.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  It's like, yeah, it's part of the job description. So if you shit at that, then you.

• 33:04Josh Horowitz?

  Then get out of Game of Thrones universe. Yeah, exactly. Who's most likely to, you guys, generally speaking, this group is not so online. Who's most likely to be kind of aware of the fans online monitoring what people are saying?

• 33:20Josh Horowitz?

  Do you kind of make a point of not being online or?

• 33:21Speaker 04

  Probably younger members of the cast who are more involved with social media, maybe. I don't know.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're not such a social media centric kind of bunch, I think. But I'm sure some, I'm sure some of the like younger cast who came in this year probably would know what's going on.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Maybe like.

• 33:40Josh Horowitz?

  Are you lurking out there? Are you secretly on, on Twitter and Instagram watching?

• 33:44Speaker 01

  No, no, I just lead a very boring life.

• 33:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, a monastic life by yourself.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just read the news.

• 33:50Josh Horowitz?

  What?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Literally. It's, it's the same addiction, just to, to a different thing.

• 33:56Josh Horowitz?

  Fair enough. Uh, who's most likely to star in the House of the Dragon musical?

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Freddie.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  Freddie Fox, yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Freddie.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  Please, Wayne.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  God, I'd pay to see that.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Him and Simon Russell Beale.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Can imagine that.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Simon Russell Beale. I love Simon Russell Beale.

• 34:14Josh Horowitz?

  Epic actor on stage and screen.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  And just an epic man in life.

• 34:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Total dream.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Ran into him at a spa the other day. Did I tell you that?

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. That's my dream.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  It's the greatest thing ever. I was outside this, my mates opened up like a kind of wellness centre. The last place on earth I would have imagined. Sort of, I imagined Simon sort of reading in libraries or on like big stages. And he just walked past and I saw him and I was like, Simon. I can't believe it, Simon, what's going on, coming here? And he walked in, he said, I've wondered what this has been for such a long time. And he came in and then my mate runs the thing, kind of told him about these different therapies. Aroma therapies, massage therapies. And Simon kind of was, I guess, kind of into it, maybe he got one, I don't know.

• 34:54Josh Horowitz?

  Who's most likely to have an iron throne in their home? Installed in their home just for sentimentality and comfort and showing off to friends and family?

• 35:02Speaker 04

  Probably, probably Paddy Considine, because he got, he got a whole statue made of his face.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Oh, I've seen that, yeah, I think he should.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he asked if he could take it. Um, I don't know.

• 35:17Josh Horowitz?

  Have you guys kept stuff from set? That's probably foreboding, you're probably not allowed to take anything.

• 35:21Speaker 04

  Well, we're still involved in the show, so you can't steal things and then go back to work.

• 35:26Josh Horowitz?

  That's fair. Good point, yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  I actually stole a huge box of candles at the end of film. They have these like huge boxes of candles and I felt like, you know, you've been on the set for a long time, it'd be quite nice to recreate that kind of atmosphere at home. I've got the most amount of candles ever. They were in my car, but my car's been sold, anyway, it was by the government, anyway, I don't want to get into it.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  This is really, this is really, I'm sorry, I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna go.

• 35:51Josh Horowitz?

  It's okay, it's okay.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Let's start speaking now.

• 35:53Josh Horowitz?

  You can collect your wigs and burn them in effigy at the end.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  I know, yeah.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Although, but they're really, like, they're really expensive, the wigs.

• 36:01Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, they'd get crossed if I did that.

• 36:05Josh Horowitz?

  Who's got the best character name to name a child, you think? I'm sure they're out there.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Meet my child, Egon.

• 36:14Josh Horowitz?

  There we go.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Imagine, if anyone's got a child called Egon, I'm sorry.

• 36:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, there's someone crying out there with an Egon.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  Some weird names, aren't there?

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Heck, yeah.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Egon.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  Egon the king. Why is there Egon the king?

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Jesus.

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• 38:19Josh Horowitz?

  As you might imagine, when I solicited for some questions, I got a few. So Maria wants to know, if you could play any other character in House of the Dragon, who would you play?

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Laris Strong.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a good shout.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Definitely. Matthew Nieden. I mean, you wouldn't go near it because he's just so good.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's amazing.

• 38:35Speaker 04

  But yeah, great character.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Otto, probably.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Otto. Otto's great.

• 38:40Josh Horowitz?

  Abin?

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Um, I don't know. Uh, oh, fuck.

• 38:46Josh Horowitz?

  You just love your characters so much. Why improve?

• 38:49Speaker 03

  Don't put that out into the ether. Jesus Christ.

• 38:52Josh Horowitz?

  The greatest hand of the king ever.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, the greatest hand. I quite like to play like Pedro Pascal's part in the original Game of Thrones. That would have been cool.

• 39:03Josh Horowitz?

  You must have crossed paths with some of, or even know in real life, some of the actors in the original Game of Thrones. So now is there kind of like an unspoken like nod like, oh, I get it. I understand.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's not like, I mean, the ones that I've definitely come across have been very much like passing on the torch almost, even though we're doing a prequel. They are well aware of what this world is and sort of how exciting it is as an actor to inhabit this, this world that we get to inhabit. So, yeah, I mean, the ones I've met have all been very excited about the idea that, you know, we're continuing the legacy, if you like.

• 39:41Josh Horowitz?

  This question from Rowan is actually for you, Tom. They want to know how you feel about the Sunfire interactions thus far and going forward.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  I mean, I always saw Sunfire as my dog, you know. It's that kind of relationship, I think, that you have with, with a dragon. It's the same as like in the Philip, Philip Holman novels where, you know, you have a, you have a, you know, pantalame and.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  A demon.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  A demon, yeah, yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  So an extension of yourself, if you like, and yeah, like there was that one scene in season two where Sunfire comes in and nudges Egon in the chest and sort of tries to nestle into him. And there's just such a warmth there and such a sort of recognition with each other. So it just makes it all the more painful when something bad happens to them. The last thing you want to do with your own dog, you know this, is to put them into a dangerous situation where they potentially will get harmed, you know, and you want to protect them with your life. However, they also want to protect you with their life, so they'll do anything, yeah.

• 40:52Josh Horowitz?

  Do you, do you watch the finished episodes with all the effects, et cetera, put in? And because there's your performance, but there's so much else that's put in, obviously, with the effects and the music and everything. It must be a whole nother experience to see.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:03Josh Horowitz?

  The finished show.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I struggle to watch anything that I'm in, to be honest, but the, the whole thing around it, yeah, you do, you're focusing on those parts. And we're so lucky on this show that we're surrounded by people who are at the top of their game in every single department, you know, we get to benefit from all of that. So, yeah, you just sort of sit there and go, fucking hell, everybody's so good at what they do.

• 41:26Josh Horowitz?

  And care of, yeah, totally. Uh, Happy wants to know, Matt, uh, Tom Fabian as potential doctors in Doctor Who. How would they do?

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Oh, it'd be amazing. I'd love to see it. It's a coin toss.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  That'd be great, no, come on.

• 41:42Josh Horowitz?

  There are a lot of good candidates in your show, honestly.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  I'd love to see that. I mean, look, I, I also think if I was gonna, and no disrespect, boys, if I was gonna pick one for the show, I think Reese would be the most amazing doctor.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, it'd be amazing.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Like, like, Reese, can you imagine Reese Ifans being Doctor Who?

• 41:56Josh Horowitz?

  Epic, yeah.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Oi, babe.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Still have no idea what the hell's going on.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  He'd be amazing. He'd be, and he's Welsh and it films in Wales. I don't know, not the, and we, you know, I, I don't know. Not the, anyway, listen, I think, shoot, he's amazing, by the way, just to, just to applaud that. But, um, yeah, no, but these, um, yeah, I would, I would, I'd love to see one of my friends take on the mantle of that.

• 42:15Josh Horowitz?

  Line them up, one after another. Emma, Emma Doctor Who would be epic. Come on.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:21Josh Horowitz?

  So, uh, speaking of these kind of fandoms, what was like, did you have a fandom, like, growing up that would have drawn you to, like, a convention like this? Like, what were you into? What was your franchise, book series thing, obsession growing up?

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Question, I mean.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  I just used to eat twigs. That's all I did as a kid.

• 42:40Josh Horowitz?

  I don't think there's a convention devoted to that.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, climbing trees and breaking my bones when I fall out, yeah.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 42:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah?

• 42:49Speaker 03

  I think me and my brother loved this film, The Mask of Zorro. I don't know if that's a big comic.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  That was like our film, where we just like loved that film.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  The one with Hopkins and Antonio Banderas?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just like, I just feel like, I find it crazy that they haven't, I know that they did, I think they did like a French language one, like recently, but I'm always amazed that they haven't like brought that back, cause I just think that could be one of the great, it's such an amazing story about independence and like fatherhood and brotherhood and friendship and, um, I don't know, but yeah, I loved that film. So that was really our kind of, we watched that every year.

• 43:24Josh Horowitz?

  What was your bag?

• 43:25Speaker 01

  I don't know, really, I was obsessed with ninja films.

• 43:27Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. I used to go to my local video store and get the same ninja movie like over and over again and then, I don't know, I had, I had a big, when I was little, I had quite a big Disney phase as well.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Like the cartoons, I don't know, like, um, yeah, Ninja and Disney. I mean, I can't remember, I was just playing football all the time, to be honest.

• 43:45Josh Horowitz?

  It's a combined, the first Ninja Disney movie, and you could be the star.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:49Josh Horowitz?

  Let's make that happen.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  And then I started watching, like, I've told you this, like erotic thrillers way too young.

• 43:54Josh Horowitz?

  Right. One of my favorite topics to talk about with you, erotic thrillers.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Like disclosure and slither and like indecent proposal, and I was like, what is this?

• 44:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, bring that back.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:05Josh Horowitz?

  Bring that back.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  Maybe Harry Potter, actually.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah?

• 44:08Speaker 04

  I miss that. Yeah, yeah, maybe Harry Potter. In fact, definitely Harry Potter.

• 44:12Josh Horowitz?

  You're like, actually, now that I think about it, totally Harry Potter.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  The book.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, from reading the books and seeing the films as a kid, yeah.

• 44:19Josh Horowitz?

  Were you, uh, have you been sorted? Do you know what house you're in?

• 44:21Speaker 04

  Slytherin.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  How do you choose that?

• 44:26Josh Horowitz?

  It's a test, like a whole thing.

• 44:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, what, so you just?

• 44:30Speaker 04

  Personality test.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Oh, right, okay.

• 44:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Do you accept that? Do you feel that that job is your person?

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, chuffed to bits with that, great.

• 44:37Josh Horowitz?

  Hey, they're doing a Harry Potter show.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  I know, I know, I've heard about it.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  I think, I think maybe we might be a little old for the kids in that show.

• 44:44Josh Horowitz?

  I wasn't suggesting you as Harry Potter with all due respect.

• 44:49Josh Horowitz?

  Might be closer to Dumbledore at this point than Harry.

• 44:53Josh Horowitz?

  No. Um, Ellie wants to know, what would you say is your character's theme song?

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, Sean Paul, "Temperature."

• 45:05Speaker 03

  I said that in an interview, I don't know, I don't know why I said that. It just made me laugh, it made me laugh, the idea of him listening to Sean Paul, like in his room, like, someone give it to...

• 45:20Josh Horowitz?

  Any other answers, or do you use music to get in the zone for your respective characters at all?

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:25Josh Horowitz?

  What do you got?

• 45:25Speaker 01

  I do.

• 45:26Josh Horowitz?

  What's your playlist for?

• 45:27Speaker 01

  I don't know, really, I'd like, it sort of varies, it's always, it's quite eclectic. I don't, I haven't, I haven't thought of a theme song as such, although I do gravitate to different music to different parts.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too.

• 45:38Josh Horowitz?

  Speaking of music, uh, do you have your Oasis tickets sorted yet?

• 45:41Speaker 01

  I can write, I do.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  I'm on.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  That might I do.

• 45:45Speaker 03

  So excited.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  I'm going to Cardiff, baby. I do need to get it off work, but um.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  You're at a wedding.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, man, I can't wait.

• 45:53Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I would imagine.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  It was like finding out that Father Christmas is real.

• 45:57Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  You know, as an adult going, what, they're back?

• 46:00Josh Horowitz?

  You didn't get the tip off early? You didn't know?

• 46:02Speaker 01

  He didn't tip me off, no, I was a bit annoyed about it. No.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Didn't.

• 46:07Josh Horowitz?

  We alluded to Millie also being known as Supergirl. Did you, I can't remember the sequence of events. Was she already, like, did you know on set? No, probably not. She was cast afterwards, after the season.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know, did, did she tell you that she was gonna be Supergirl?

• 46:19Speaker 03

  She did, yeah. She, no, not when we were working, after we'd finished the job, she told me.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, she said, I've been casted.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  I think, I think that's really interesting casting.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  She's brilliant. She's brilliant.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  She's in New York, everyone. I actually, I actually told her to come. I was like, just come to Comic Con, like, just come. She was like, absolutely no fucking way.

• 46:40Josh Horowitz?

  I do also want to mention, Matt's been in town shooting a new Darren Aronofsky movie. I'm so damn excited about this. Uh, how's it going, man?

• 46:48Speaker 01

  It's good. Yeah, I love it. I love him. He's um, he's, you know, really pushes his actors and we were saying earlier, Austin Butler's just the most glorious man. Such a wonderful, nice, brilliant, and um, yeah, I mean, he's a great actor, but he's also a really, really wonderful guy. So it's good. It's been, it's been, it's been a really interesting, challenging job.

• 47:08Josh Horowitz?

  What have you bonded, what have you bonded over with Austin just?

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Lots. I mean, you know, because as you do, you're sort of, uh, what have I bonded? I mean, we, I mean, in fact, we've, we've, we've just talked in great depth about, it's a bit boring actually, about acting and movies. We've, we've just done a lot of that, but um, yeah, no, I've been, I've been really impressed by him.

• 47:27Josh Horowitz?

  Movie star or actor? Matt and I have played this game over the years.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Austin, movie star.

• 47:31Josh Horowitz?

  Movie star. And an actor.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:33Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, uh, we're gonna end with the happy, sad, confused, profoundly random questions. You ready, guys?

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:38Josh Horowitz?

  I know the answer, at least for you on this one. Dogs or cats?

• 47:41Speaker 03

  Dogs.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Dogs. Dogs. Although I had a cat, Timmy, God rest his soul, but yeah.

• 47:46Speaker 04

  Although...

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Cats are great.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's one cat I like, but mostly dogs.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  There's one cat you like?

• 47:52Josh Horowitz?

  It's a very specific story there.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Cats can be nice.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  What?

• 47:57Speaker 03

  They can be nice, a nice cat.

• 47:58Speaker 04

  Cool as fuck, yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  He's got a limp?

• 48:00Speaker 04

  No, no, no, he's not got a limp.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  He's called Rupert.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Who's got a limp? Who's got a limp? Sorry.

• 48:08Josh Horowitz?

  We're going deep on cats, okay. Uh, what do you collect, if anything? Any of you guys collect something?

• 48:13Speaker 01

  What do you collect? Oh, mm, no, I don't know.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  I've got a lot of DVDs. I don't know if I collect them, but I've got a lot of DVDs from when I was a kid.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you don't collect them now?

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Every now and then I see them.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, really?

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, just, you know, like I saw a kind of Fargo original.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Oh, nice.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Fargo DVD in like a, in like a Goodwill in Philadelphia and I bought that for about 50 cents.

• 48:35Josh Horowitz?

  There you go. Fiscal media's still out there, crack your in collection, you can do it, totally.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  Fridge magnets.

• 48:41Josh Horowitz?

  Fridge magnets?

• 48:43Speaker 01

  From like various cities across the world.

• 48:46Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you. Fridge magnet hive! Um, who's the last actor any of you were mistaken for?

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's a good question.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Gordon Ramsay.

• 49:05Josh Horowitz?

  That, that has not happened. That happened?

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Okay, are you looking at Gordon Ramsay?

• 49:13Speaker 01

  What?

• 49:14Speaker 04

  I didn't hear the question, so that was funny.

• 49:16Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, anyone else know? Okay. Um, what's a movie you're embarrassed to admit you've never seen?

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Um, Sophie's Choice.

• 49:26Josh Horowitz?

  What?

• 49:28Speaker 04

  I've also not seen that either.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Also, can I be, you're gonna hate me for this. I've never watched Star Wars the whole way through.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  I've never seen, well, I've never seen Return of the Jedi the whole way through, yeah, yeah. Don't hate me, don't hate me.

• 49:47Josh Horowitz?

  We might hate you, mate.

• 49:50Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, so, yeah. You ready to finally tell me who you were gonna play in Star Wars? Remember that conversation we had?

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no, I can't. What, um, what movie?

• 50:03Speaker 01

  There must have been loads.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Tons, yeah. Mortified that I haven't seen.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Oh, come on. Pick one. There's gotta be one.

• 50:09Josh Horowitz?

  He just outed himself as not seeing Return of the Jedi, guys. Come on. Solidarity.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  At Comic Con?

• 50:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, literally. Like, this is the end of Matt's career.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  That is scary. That is scary.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Well, you've seen all of the Star Wars. Have you seen every Star Wars?

• 50:20Speaker 03

  I don't know if I've seen all the ones in the last, sort of, three, four years.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  But like, all the kind of, like, all the Anakin ones and then all the OG ones.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  I hadn't seen Lord of the Rings.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  What?

• 50:32Josh Horowitz?

  No!

• 50:32Speaker 03

  Whoa!

• 50:33Speaker 01

  What?

• 50:34Speaker 03

  Oh, my God!

• 50:35Speaker 01

  What?

• 50:35Speaker 03

  That is crazy. That is the worst thing I've ever had.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  The three Lord of the Rings are amazing.

• 50:40Josh Horowitz?

  Really? Matt is so relieved. He's like, "I'm okay."

• 50:45Speaker 03

  I feel like something's up.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  And, um, we met, we met-

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Shooting with an arrow in a second.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  Andy Serkis is here yesterday.

• 50:51Speaker 03

  The nicest man as well.

• 50:52Speaker 04

  And he's the loveliest man in the world. And I was like, "Oh, my God, it's fucking Gollum."

• 50:57Josh Horowitz?

  You have no right-

• 50:58Speaker 03

  Never seen it. Oh, my God, it's Gollum.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  I have no right to be excited. Oh, well.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  No one's coming to our photo op now, are they?

• 51:08Josh Horowitz?

  New plans. What's the worst noted director has ever given you?

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Where do I begin?

• 51:16Josh Horowitz?

  Get it out.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  Everyone's going for you.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Oh, don't say that.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Why, why, go on, say it.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  I don't wanna say it. I don't wanna-

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I can say-

• 51:30Speaker 03

  In a few years, when House of Dragon is all over, I will tell you what this director once told me, but I can't say it now. I'm sorry.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Boo.

• 51:38Josh Horowitz?

  Boo.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  And he, okay.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  I have seen Lord of the Rings, though.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 51:44Josh Horowitz?

  So have I. What an emotional roller coaster. Anything, Matt? Come to mind?

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know. It's, um-

• 51:51Josh Horowitz?

  Or is there a kind of direction you hate?

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Well, I hate hearing directors go to people, "Be sexy."

• 51:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  "Just, just, just be sexy." Well, what the fuck does that mean?

• 52:02Josh Horowitz?

  How can I not be sexy? I'm Matt Smith.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Death.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  No, but like, you, that, like, those sort of, like, I don't know. But, like, I'm quite simple with notes. I like, like, be faster, be more this, do it a bit, you know what I mean? Yeah.

• 52:17Josh Horowitz?

  Practical, very simple.

• 52:18Speaker 04

  The ones that wind me up are where a director would go, more.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  What, what, what am I meant to do to that? I can't play that.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 52:30Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, in the spirit of Happy Second Fuse, who's an actor that always makes you happy. You see them on screen, you light up. I'm happy.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Jack Nicholson.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Yes. Mark Ruffalo.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  Steve Martin.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Oh. Roxanne, I love that film.

• 52:47Josh Horowitz?

  Which one?

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Roxanne.

• 52:49Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, so great.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Steve Martin in Roxanne's amazing.

• 52:50Josh Horowitz?

  So great. Uh, what's a movie that makes you sad?

• 52:54Speaker 03

  Uh, Big Fish. You ever seen that Tim Burton film? Oh my god, man, that, that is like my, like, my heart is ripped out of my chest when I watch Big Fish. It's so sad. It's like the most beautiful concept, like this, this like dad who tells his kid all these stories that his kid doesn't believe, and then like on the day of his death at the funeral, he finds out that all his dad's stories were real. It's like the most beautiful poetic kind of thing, I think.

• 53:19Josh Horowitz?

  Hmm, good one.

• 53:22Josh Horowitz?

  End of Lord of the Rings, no, never mind, never mind, that's awesome, no. Anything? No? Are you a crier at movies or no?

• 53:28Speaker 04

  I regret saying the Lord of the Rings thing.

• 53:32Josh Horowitz?

  So many regrets today.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I can't remember the last film that made me sad. Um, About Time makes me sad.

• 53:40Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, that's a great one. Uh, Donald Gleeson, yeah, yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 04

  Great movie, but, um.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  The Richard Curtis film, isn't it?

• 53:45Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:48Josh Horowitz?

  Anything for you, Matt?

• 53:49Speaker 01

  I, I don't know. What was that film, that Disney film about a chipmunk who like used to, was on a big adventure?

• 53:55Josh Horowitz?

  Oh. Sophie's Choice.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  King Kong.

• 53:58Josh Horowitz?

  Sophie's Choice, no.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 54:01Josh Horowitz?

  An American Tale? Oh, it's American Tale?

• 54:03Speaker 01

  The American Tale.

• 54:03Josh Horowitz?

  It's a mouse.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  It's a mouse?

• 54:05Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  It's all the same family.

• 54:10Josh Horowitz?

  And finally, most importantly, what's a food that makes you confused? You don't get it.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  Eggplant aubergine. Don't get it. It's like snot on a plate.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Mint, mint sauce on lamb. I'd rather pull my own eyes out.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  This might be quite controversial. I find, I don't really understand avocados as a sort of... That's the Lord of the Rings, then.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Avocado?

• 54:37Speaker 03

  I just, I'm just a bit like, is it, like, obviously if you add a bunch of lime, add a bunch of salt, bit of pepper, you know, some olive oil, mix it all together, it might taste nice. But it's also like, you know, so would anything when you add that many sort of things to make it taste good. Do you know what I mean? So you don't know what I mean?

• 54:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  So like, I mean, basically, between Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and avocado.

• 55:03Josh Horowitz?

  We've turned off everybody.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  And we'll never be welcomed back ever again.

• 55:09Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. You thought television shows could be divisive. No, these answers are divisive, guys. Congratulations on season two of House of the Dragon. We hope you get to work on season three soon. New York Comic Con, give it up one more time.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Thank you, Josh. Thank you, Josh. Josh, Josh, Josh.

• 55:29Speaker 02

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• 55:48Speaker 06

  Oh, please, not that music. That music gives me nightmares from my childhood.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Could we get something a little bit lighter? Some lighter music here.

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