Stylebender’s Fighting Future, Jon Jones Legacy, & Street Fighting

Yooo Schulz recording his special next week, so we banked this episode from a couple weeks ago with the OG Flagrant guest Stylebender. Izzy came through & explained what is going on with his fighting future, talked about his road rage incident, broke down some street-fighting, anime & much much more. INDULGE 00:00 Intro 1:10 Most Flagrant appearances + Mark's homebirth 4:24 Izzy was a wild boy 7:36 Costly mistake in the ring + Future's uncertain 10:37 Where does the motivation come from? 14:06 Izzy Road Rage incident 20:44 Gimme the money 23:17 Mark immediately changed 25:34 Israel wants to have kids + Dov's a p1mp 30:08 Being cool with Dricus + Finding the motivator 35:14 Hate being the favorite + Addicted to high stakes 39:47 Adjusting to the calm 41:34 Izzy's Prediction Jones v Stipe 44:04 Who would win between Jones v Aspinall? 45:32 Fun v risk + Knowing to walk away 49:10 When will Izzy break up with fighting? 1:04:11 Strickland style + Stretching out Pereira 1:09:40 Poatan's mutual respect + Tapping into spirituality 1:14:41 Spiritual stories from Nigeria & Pakistan 1:21:16 Zombie story + We want to believe in superstition 1:27:00 Shout-out to Jesus + God + Prasad 1:30:42 Gandhi's bars + Claiming Christianity 1:32:31 Naming Ceremonies + Throwing wealth 1:36:27 Funniest Jew Story + Jewish fighters 1:38:11 Anime hero for Izzy + Mark’s new show 1:47:47 Dov works HARD + You have to deliver 1:54:55 Breaking down street fights + Key & Peele sketch 2:00:27 Commentating + Fighters' wisdom 2:03:34 Everyone hears what you say + Zuckerberg's passion 2:10:22 Power of being uncomfortable 2:13:37 Izzy's Movie + Life events requires a reset 2:20:41 No rush to find the one + Dating app issues 2:23:30 Izzy's stalker + Elite Pull Out Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  The guy who's about to fight you right now is on the purest form of offense. Like, he's gotta know who you are.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  That's why he pulled up on me. I had a great morning. And then this guy, I think because he saw my car, so he doubled back and just like, "Is he? One outs." And then you're doing that side with you and me, one on one, let's go. And I started laughing and I was thinking like, "Bro, I fight for millions. I'm not gonna knock your ass out for free." And he goes, "Nah, I fight for free. I fight for the streets, for my pride." And I was thinking, "You're stupid. You're stupid." At the end, you see me spit at him and he just looks down like... And then I realized, "You're not gonna do shit." If he spat back at me, then it's on. But again, I'm glad I had a good day. I don't like street fights. I don't like confrontation, but if you bring the problem, then I'm gonna solve the problem. I realized this because it happened to Anderson, it's happened to Jones, it's happened to a lot of the greats. The longer you defend the belt, the less risk you take.

• 0:42Speaker 00

  Do you care about this Brooklyn fight?

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Come on, man.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't want that back.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Come on, man. I know me and I know where I was during that fight week and all that. And again, that was his time. It was his week. But the whole fight just felt like a weird dream. I know I'm gonna be a great dad, but... Because I've been from Alex about it before and...

• 0:56Speaker 00

  You're getting...

• 0:57Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Listen, listen, not with that. No, no, no. No, no, no, not Alex. No, no, no, not Alex. No, no, no.

• 1:09Speaker 00

  What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flavor. Yo, I'm saying this, I don't know if this is based on anything, but I think that you might be the most recurring guest that we've had on Flavor.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:19Speaker 00

  This is your fourth bit time?

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. We got Style Bender in the building.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  We need a orb. We need a trophy.

• 1:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, we need to give you something very special.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  Or maybe a BlueChew pill or something.

• 1:30Speaker 00

  Is there a BlueChew pill? Should you take it now?

• 1:34Speaker 01

  None of hell, no.

• 1:35Speaker 00

  And then we just see what happens?

• 1:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll pop it with you. I'll pop it with you. Let's go, Happy.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, guys.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Shit, this is popping off, man. You know, about this movie. Oh, yeah. Nah, we won't do that. We won't do that. We'll leave it.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Listen, bro, first of all, we missed you. It's great to see you again.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  I can see there's a lot of growth as well, even just as we've been here.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, shout out BlueChew.

• 1:57Speaker 00

  We gotta say something else. It's very important because, and Mark, you already spilled the beans, but we can say it. You know, we brought Israel to sign on the podcast to say, "Congratulations, Mark."

• 2:11Speaker 03

  Thank you guys.

• 2:12Speaker 00

  No, Mark got a baby. Mark had a little baby boy.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  My dude's here. Yeah, it's awesome.

• 2:16Speaker 00

  Do you have a name locked in yet?

• 2:17Speaker 03

  We have a name. We have a name locked in.

• 2:19Speaker 00

  You wanna reveal it now?

• 2:20Speaker 03

  No, but it's on now. People are gonna look him up, be able to steal his identity and shit. You know what I mean?

• 2:25Speaker 00

  Nobody give a...

• 2:26Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  Okay, so you wanna keep the name?

• 2:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:35Speaker 00

  Let's steal the feature of identity. Does it even have a birth certificate? Like, what did it get?

• 2:40Speaker 03

  That's the thing, no. He was born at home, so we had to forge it.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Oh, really? Water birth?

• 2:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, not even water, just air. Fire.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  So you just caught it like a football?

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, she pulled it out like...

• 2:52Speaker 00

  She was standing?

• 2:53Speaker 03

  She was like kneeling. She was kneeling. And I was behind her, and then she was just like...

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Were you guys ready for it?

• 3:01Speaker 00

  That's one of those things where you're just in the moment, and then you just hear dunk, and you're like, was I supposed to...

• 3:06Speaker 03

  For real?

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Was it like just happened randomly, or you were prepared, and that was how you guys were meant to do it?

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Nah, she's a midwife that does home births, so she was like, this is how I wanna do it. But I was afraid. I thought it was gonna be a butt fumble situation. I thought I was gonna like slip back, like, yeah, who's on first?

• 3:19Speaker 00

  Okay, wow. Okay, so you're a dad now.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was awesome. During the labor, the worst part.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  You're calling daddy now.

• 3:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, daddy. Daddy.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  I stubbed my toe during the labor.

• 3:27Speaker 00

  Oh, it must've been so heartbreaking. Oh, man.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  I swear to God, bro. Like, she's having a contraction, and she's like, yo, I gotta go pee, I gotta go to the bathroom. So I was like, alright. I'm like guiding her over, and then I hit my toe on the side of the bed, my pinky toe. Not like, that's the worst one to hit.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  And so I take her over. You've been hitting the pinky toe.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Oh, heaps. Connor pulled out the fight with Michael Chandler because of his...

• 3:52Speaker 00

  But now you get it.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Now you understand what it's like.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  Exactly, as a fighter.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Relatable.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so we went to the bathroom, and I'm like standing there like Winston, like standing on my toe like, fuck. And then she has a contraction.

• 4:04Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  And then she looks at me, and she's like, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I was like, nothing, you're doing great. And I had to push it down in that moment, but I told her after, once the baby came out.

• 4:12Speaker 00

  Once the baby was out.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, I really fucked my toe.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  She understand?

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She got me ice and made food and stuff.

• 4:19Speaker 00

  You gotta keep it working.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Real one, real one, yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  They get a little bored if they're not, you know, still working every second.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  Oh, when are you gonna have some babies already?

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Me? I don't know when, about, maybe I already have some.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  That was my first son.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  I don't know, man. China was wild, bro.

• 4:32Speaker 00

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Do you, when you're in China, do you just shoot them up?

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Nah, it's not even that, it's just, it was a different time, I was younger and

• 4:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  less responsible.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  But.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  I don't feel like you're a condom guy.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  I'm, I am now.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Nah, nah, nah, I love.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  Who laughed? Was that, did he, the ball laughing or was that ball laughing? I don't know why ball laughed.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Nah, I mean.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Ball was like, how does he milk?

• 5:05Speaker 00

  We had fun in this feeling.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  That's all. Nah, um, yeah, I'm, I'm responsible, I'm a responsible dog.

• 5:14Speaker 00

  You're responsible.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  But. But in China, you could go, I mean, but they'll

• 5:18Speaker 00

  They'll abort after birth in China.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Wait, they do what? They'll, I mean, they'll kill the baby. Yeah, oh, yeah, true, yeah.

• 5:24Speaker 00

  If they already have a kid, then, you know.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  You're only allowed one, and also.

• 5:26Speaker 00

  But they're also gonna know who the daddy is.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, all straight away, yeah, straight away. I mean, even if he knocks on my door, I was like, "Is there a, I just saw you?" I'm like, "Oh, no." It's in the eyes, you know straight away, but.

• 5:40Speaker 00

  I think it's where the skin comes.

• 5:43Speaker 00

  The eyes, he gets them off.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Nah, but me, nah, I'm waiting, I'm chilling.

• 5:50Speaker 00

  But now you're disciplined, you're responsible.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I am, I'm a.

• 5:51Speaker 00

  You have a chef.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  I met your chef yesterday.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's the man, he's the man. Good peoples, he's actually been a chef for like, what, almost seventeen years, but.

• 6:00Speaker 00

  But have you corrupted him yet?

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, he corrupted me.

• 6:04Speaker 00

  What do you mean? With good delicious food that's great for your body and health?

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Oh, no, oh, no. So he's my first friend when I lived in this town called Wanganui. I wanna know what type of corrupt.

• 6:11Speaker 00

  You was just talking about.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  When I moved my guy.

• 6:16Speaker 00

  You know chefs are crazy.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, cuz I moved to Wanganui as a kid. I was a virgin, good boy, no alcohol, didn't drink, nothing like that. But they're hanging out with him and our group of friends. I was, put it this way.

• 6:29Speaker 00

  Couple Diddy parties?

• 6:30Speaker 01

  No, no, no, hell no.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  I was the getaway driver for them doing like mailbox, you know, hitting cars, windows, that kinda stuff. Like, what was seventeen, eighteen? And I was always living vicariously through them as they did some.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  New Zealand is really progressive. That's what I was just thinking. You would choose the black guy to drive the car.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  They wouldn't let the black guy near the stairwell cuz you're getting pulled over immediately. We promise, we didn't rob anything, no, you were just driving.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Also, it was like a soccer mom van, so it was, you know, could fit a lot of people, but incognito. Like a fucking Subaru or anything like that. But nah, um, yeah, he's good people, so I like having people like that around me cuz, again, I've talked about this now. I got this far with just eating the dirty shit, Uber Eats. And then now I actually eat Whole Foods, Good Meals, like my last flight, I felt great.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  We saw you look shredded.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  I was, oh, lost some muscle, the Waco was easy. So, yeah, thanks to him, and now we're gonna just pick up where we left off cuz.

• 7:30Speaker 00

  You won it again, huh?

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 00

  You won it bad. You had it, I thought it was yours easy.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's the game, that's how it happens.

• 7:37Speaker 00

  You made a small, you like made a small mistake. You never spoke in a mistake, what was the, can you say that?

• 7:43Speaker 01

  So the mistake was, um, just a lapse in focus cuz I tripped, bad footwork and I tripped. And then that was when he was kinda throwing at me and people thought, oh, you hurt him. And I got up and I was like, the ground, and then DC was like, he's doing the Max Holloway. But I'll kinda just been like, nah, the ground, even that moment right there. I shouldn't have. Just stay focused on a task at hand because you need thirty minutes of focus while you're in there. So you can't even just have a lapse in judgment for a split second because if not, a song can jump on you and capitalize. And I've done that to people as well. But this guy maybe got done to me.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  So wait, what do you mean? You pointed the ground and that's when he lunged to you?

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, because again, I was just telling him like, it wasn't you, it was the ground.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  I tripped.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  I tripped.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  But he's saying even explaining himself, who gives a fuck?

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, just focus on the fight.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  You don't need to explain yourself.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  You never see me in a fight complain to the ref unless like when Brunson really grabbed my shorts for the second time. And I was like, ref, that's twice. But you never see me kind of like lose focus. I just focus on a task at hand.

• 8:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  But yeah, in that moment, I lost focus and that was it for me at the time.

• 8:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Outside of that, anything surprising, like?

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Nah, because I, you know, the strength was something that was always so much this, he's so much that. But I felt strong in there. Again, shout out Matt.

• 8:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  So I felt really strong. I felt fast. If you do the numbers, like my guy Bill Smart did the numbers. He said that was the most active I've ever been in any of my fights in the UFC.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, it felt like the pace was high.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I was putting the pace on him. So again, you know, took time off, came back, felt great. That's the main thing. I felt great when I was fighting. So now we're going to build. We did my testing about four weeks ago now, three weeks ago. So we, we've got the numbers. We're like, cool, we are where we were four weeks out from the fight. So it's like, cool, let's build off from that. So I'm going to build off.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  Okay. So what do you want? Like, what is your ideal next couple of years? If everything goes the way?

• 9:30Speaker 01

  I actually have no idea. That's the thing. And it's nice to know that. And I was even telling Rogues this. I've never felt that when people talk about, say, you know, I lost the belt. Like Matt Hughes was one of the first people I heard, who's my chef's name, by the way, Matt Hughes.

• 9:42Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. But Matt Hughes, the legend, UFC icon, was the first one I heard talk about when he lost the belt. He felt this pressure come off, like, ah, I'm not the champ anymore. But I'd never felt that because I was the champ for so long. And then when I lost it in MSG, it was kind of like, fuck, let's do it again. And then it wasn't until, even when I lost to Strickland, I still felt like, you know, that target on my back and it still is. But after this fight, I was kind of like, well. Like I wasn't attached to the result. I just wanted to show off. I wanted to fight and I did. So now I'm in a spot where it's like, who do I fight? When do I fight? Cause I'm only doing main events, five rounders and title fights. That's all I've done for the last how many years?

• 10:25Speaker 01

  But it's kind of nice to just not have that be the focus now, but now just fight, show off, make money. But we'll see. I'm excited.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  Where do you get like, where do you get the motivation now? Like you've beaten everybody. You've become the biggest star in the sport. You've made all the money. You've taken care of, I imagine your thing. You made, you know.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  We need more.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  See, that's the thing.

• 10:54Speaker 00

  Always gets bigger. Right? You buy one car, you're like, that other car is nice too. Every, you know, once the lifestyle steps up, there's other things you want. But you've made enough money where like you're good. Your family's good. Like everything is good. And you've achieved, I imagine, all the dreams you had when you were younger within UFC.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:14Speaker 00

  Is there this moment where, and I, I'm, I'm asking because there's like a thing that I kind of relate to in my, you know, sphere of work. But it's like, is there a moment where you have to decide to make new dreams? To get yourself up every day, to put in the work.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  To achieve what you achieved.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  I haven't said, um, even getting a submission right now would be meaningful to me more than getting a belt for the third time.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  So that's the thing. It's like, you have to find things you haven't done yet. Because you all always said from the beginning, the first time that we, that we had you on, you were like, I don't care about the belt.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 00

  The belt doesn't define me.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  Now, I'm sure it's nice to have the fucking.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Oh, it's nice. Yeah.

• 11:54Speaker 00

  To wear the crown. It's fucking whatever.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  I got a couple at home. They just sit there.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  They don't go away. But yeah, so that's why when you say right now, like, I didn't really care about the belt. Like I believe you.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause I said it from the jump and I'm glad you remember that.

• 12:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  But now it's just again, highlights, cool shit.

• 12:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Like again, when I was fighting, I realized this because it happened to Anderson, it's happened to Jones, it's happened to a lot of the greats. The longer you defend the belt, the.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  I'm not speaking for those guys.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  I'm saying the longer you defend the belt, the less risk you take. Cause you see the way I was fighting, like one of the examples I gave was um my Brad Tavor's fight. You know, end of round one. Cool. I hear the clapper, 10 seconds left. So I'm gonna try, I mean, Nari roll. I landed in training quite a lot, but I've never ever tried it in a fight. So I was like, let me try that shit. Did it, just missed, because my hips weren't high enough. And then I got up and I was like, back, come on. But again, shit like that, trying the.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  When you have the belt longer, you stop doing that.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  You start being like, I gotta defend the belt.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not just about me, it's about, you know, when I win and I have the belt, there's a lot of people that eat. So you know, it just slowly, and it's not, it's not on purpose, it's something that just happens. Like I said with Silva, I've seen it as a fan and with Jones as well, I've seen it. But then, now I'm kind of free of that, I'm just like, and I know I'm, I'm good and all that. So I just want to go back to just taking more risks, being, being fun, being a highlight dude like I was.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  Did it get less fun as you have the belt longer and longer?

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Certain fights, there was one, Marvin Vittori part two, when I was in there, maybe round three, and you hear, I don't know if it's on the fight, but I heard Twister, one of my coaches was like, don't get bored, Izzy, don't get bored. And I caught myself like, oh yeah, but again, I didn't realize it because I'm in the fight, but he saw it in my eyes and my demeanor like.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  It was a very dominant performance.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he could, he could see it though. And maybe round three or four, he could just see it, I was just like, this is boring for him.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  That seems like the beginning of, starting to like, not lose it, but starting to be like, oh shit, it's coming down the road, he might lose. This one, it's still easy, but that means you're probably not going to train quite as hard for the next fight. And then if you win that one, you're going to train even less hard for the next fight. And eventually, it will catch up to you.

• 14:06Speaker 00

  You never got a, a road rage knockout?

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Amen.

• 14:12Speaker 00

  You're talking about highlights? So when I saw you square up, I was like, this, the guy who's about to fight you right now is on the purest form of fentanyl. Because there's no way, like, he's gotta know who you are.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  I, that's why he pulled up on me. So I had a great morning training.

• 14:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, what's the story? You had a delicious breakfast, Matt just made a delicious breakfast.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Matt was, I think he was in Thailand at the time.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  So I had good morning training, vibes was on, went to K Road to get this pie, like a famous pie on there. And I was just like, vibes was on, just chilling. And then this guy, I think because he saw my car, so he doubled back and just like, look at him like, Izzy, one ounce. And in New Zealand, that's like, one ounce is like, you and me, one on one, let's go. What?

• 14:55Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  What? And I started laughing and I was thinking like, the fuck? And people who were taking photos of me and stuff were like, the fuck? And I just kept on walking. And then the bit where it pissed him off, because he was at the green light, everyone going around him, honking their horns like, this fucking guy. Yeah. And then I went, I just grabbed my car door and I went.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  And that pissed him off. So he just came in front of my car. And I said, bro, I'm not gonna fucking whip you out for free.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Why'd that piss him off? Just because you're flexing the golden door?

• 15:22Speaker 01

  My car door does the scissors.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  If a guy just walks up to you, he's like, yo, shoot the fair one. And you're like, bro, my car does this.

• 15:33Speaker 03

  That's what they call suicide doors.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  He was trying to fucking end it.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Yes, sir. No, but then he pulled up and then like, tried to like, talk all this rass to me. And at one point, I even tried to defuse it. So I was like, bro, I don't know you. What's the craziest thing he said? Uh, when I said, bro, I fight for millions. I don't fucking fight. I'm not gonna knock your ass, knock your ass out for free. And he goes, nah, I fight for free. I fight for the streets, for my pride. And I was thinking, you're fucking stupid. You're stupid. Was he a white guy? Was he like? Nah, Maori guy. So he was brown, yeah. See, that's the problem I had when I first moved to New Zealand. I couldn't tell the difference between all of them. Was it because of races? Yeah. So you went to China? Yeah, yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Hard mode.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Eventually I got there.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Nah, but then in the end, I just, as when I spat at him was when I was kind of like, hoping, try something. Oh, okay, that's. At the end, you see me spit at him. He just looks down like, and then I realized, you're not gonna do shit. But also, because of our boy, like, you remember the movie when our boy got knocked out, yeah? Street violence. And I just realized if I drop this guy right now. And he, he dies. Boom. They're gonna fucking put me through the ringer.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  These are weapons now.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. They've been weapons. So for me, I was just like, nah, just, and again, we started a charity, Walk Without Fear, to help with this kind of senseless street violence. Because a lot of these guys,

• 16:52Speaker 01

  the boy that, the boys that killed my boy, they did home detention for, I think, a year and a half. And during that year and a half, we all had lockdown for six months. In that time, so again, we all did it together. So what's the, and now they're around free.

• 17:05Speaker 00

  So basically, you're like, we also had home detention.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 17:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  So again, we're trying to change the laws with that charity. And this video, I believe, will help because it shows.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  The discipline.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  The discipline of someone like me.

• 17:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Cause do that to Dan Hooker.

• 17:18Speaker 00

  Dan is.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Like Danza is a beast and Dan would probably act differently and maybe, maybe not knock him out, but just put him to sleep, hang him out.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  But still.

• 17:27Mark Gagnon?

  So how does the video end? Cause it's like.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  It just cuts off.

• 17:30Mark Gagnon?

  It seems like it was still going on.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  If you go to the end, you'll see me just spit at him. And then when I slammed my car door down, then I was kind of just like.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  That, that's when you were, that's when you got pissed?

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, but when I was driving off, he had his shirt off and he was still flexing. And again, people, only one person, like when I said, can you call the cops? One person helped me. Everyone else just had their camera for this moment.

• 17:51Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  So you see me spit at him, then he looks down. And I got angry, but then.

• 17:55Mark Gagnon?

  And now what's happening right now?

• 17:56Speaker 01

  He just didn't do shit.

• 17:58Speaker 00

  But what are you thinking right now?

• 17:59Speaker 01

  I was like, spat at you on your leg. If someone, if he spat back at me, then it's on. But again, I, I'm glad I had a good day and I don't like, I don't like street fights. I don't like confrontation, but if you bring the problem, then I'm gonna solve the problem.

• 18:13Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  And.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Okay, real quick, so in this mo, in this moment, there's, you're thinking, all right, do I knock this guy out? If I knock him out, does he die? Is there ever a thought, like the average person would go, what if this guy knocks me out? Do you, okay. So that's not even.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  Most of us would be thinking, damn, I'm about to get knocked out.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  I just put my pies in the car, took my watch off and I was just like, look, if he breaches the, the range, cause I'm within my rights and he's within range. But I was just thinking it'll fall. I was just like, man, if he hits his head, cause it's downhill.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  It's more gravity, boom, and he's gonna bleed out. And I probably wouldn't be here right now.

• 18:57Speaker 00

  I want that type of confidence to be worried about killing the other person.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 19:01Mark Gagnon?

  Crazy, right?

• 19:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  I was just thinking it'll fall to charity and him dying.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  What if you just slapped him, got another Dana White contract? You slap him in the face, that's all that happened.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  You get what?

• 19:11Speaker 02

  You join a different Dana White League.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  See, I told him I was getting paid millions to fight. If you, you're not getting paid like that to fight.

• 19:18Speaker 00

  Why haven't any UFC guys, or boxing guys, entered that?

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Paige Van Zant did. She's doing her second fight soon, I think.

• 19:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, she has, but that's, she's crazy.

• 19:28Speaker 00

  I'm saying like guys that are no longer professional.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean.

• 19:34Speaker 00

  We need like some big Puerto Rican lesbian.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's, oh wow.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're close. Yeah, but these, yeah, you should go, pal slap too.

• 19:43Speaker 00

  I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  That's actually sore. Put your hands as well.

• 19:49Speaker 00

  I can't.

• 19:50Mark Gagnon?

  Do you think his motivation was just trying to get paid?

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Cause we, I don't, we don't have those laws in New Zealand. I think in his head, again, he's not caring about pay cause he fights for the streets, fights for his pride. But the guy filming kept on going.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  To you or to him?

• 20:05Speaker 01

  I don't know. So I don't know. It feels, it feels like it was a setup.

• 20:07Speaker 00

  The Life Tour, last show. We're wrapping up the Life Tour. Year and a half. We've went on tour, gone to almost every fucking continent on this planet. We are wrapping it up in Hawaii, Honolulu, Blighsdale, Bladesdale. I don't even know how to pronounce that arena. We'll see you guys all there, December 21st. Appreciate y'all so much. Peace.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Also, guys, dates. December 4th, Long Island, sold out. I told you it would. November 22nd and 23rd, Comedy at the Carlson, Rochester, New York. Still got tickets available for that. December 6th and 7th, still got tickets in Albany. See y'all soon.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  How much are taxes out there in New Zealand?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Not as much as New York.

• 20:46Speaker 00

  Really? Really?

• 20:47Speaker 01

  I don't think so. If I'm gonna, David Keats is like 40, for my, but my bracket is like, it goes up now.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  Oh wow. Now, question. Do you have to pay American taxes when you fight here?

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, thousand percent.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  But then you get like a, a rebate. Yeah, so you go back and be like, yeah, did it, which helps, but still.

• 21:07Speaker 00

  Cause America needs that. We need that pound of flesh.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  You can't make money out here without making money. You wanna know what's crazy? If you're an American citizen?

• 21:14Speaker 01

  I don't get that. What? Just give me the money.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  What, Italians?

• 21:18Speaker 01

  No, no, dude.

• 21:19Speaker 00

  What are you doing?

• 21:20Speaker 03

  You don't get it.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  I don't get it.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  That's what I realized.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  That's racist, bro.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  I couldn't do that.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  No, no, use a hole.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  I could be like, yo, boy.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  It's a meme right now. It's a meme right now. I just see the, I don't get it.

• 21:31Speaker 00

  You don't get the meme of give me the money?

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, have you seen it?

• 21:35Speaker 00

  No, show me the money.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  That one.

• 21:36Speaker 00

  No, give me.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Is this? You know what I'm talking about?

• 21:40Speaker 00

  Cuba Gooden, Cuba. Cuba Gooden Jr.?

• 21:42Speaker 01

  No, you're talking about something. Okay, okay.

• 21:44Speaker 00

  You're so wrong.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  We all. I'm getting it.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  You act like radio right now.

• 21:49Speaker 00

  Right?

• 21:50Speaker 01

  No, no. Oh, no, we all don't get it. So maybe I'm, yeah, I'm right.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  Give me the money.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  But in the third person. Give me the money.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  Now, that's dumb whenever he talks Sanders. But what is this about? Give me the money.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  You're asking the wrong guy. I just made a joke about it, but still, I've just seen it all over TikTok, all over the reels. Seen famous people do it on Shade Room and shit. I'm just like, it's all, I don't get the funny.

• 22:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  So I guess we're, we're over it.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  Mark, have you, uh?

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Explain it.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Okay, thank you.

• 22:20Speaker 03

  You, you tell everyone, okay, we're gonna say, give me the money, and then everyone cheers. And then the last person isn't in on the joke and they do it, each person does it more and more exaggerated. And the fourth person to do it, or the last person to do it, no one cheers and everyone laughs at them.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  It's kinda funny.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  It's kinda funny.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  Let me see it. I mean.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Maybe I had to be there.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  It's like bullying.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  What, what is this?

• 22:42Speaker 00

  Is this the one?

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, Mark.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Welcome to the club, y'all.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  Give me the money.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Did I do it?

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, close enough. Yeah, we all, we, we passed the, the trends, the gen, is it Gen Z?

• 22:58Speaker 03

  Mark's on Bing.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  Tomorrow.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  I'm on Ask Jeeves, and Jeeves doesn't know shit.

• 23:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, what, what was the, uh, okay, you have the baby, everything's done, like, what was the first time?

• 23:10Speaker 03

  He just nodded his head. He thought you were talking to him.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  No, I'm not. He had the baby.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  I'm engaged. I'm engaged.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  So, so you have the baby, okay, like, okay, what was the first time you picked up your phone and looked at Instagram or social media? While your kid was still in the room?

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Oh, it was like, it was probably like that next day.

• 23:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  And then some OnlyFans girl popped up and I was like, yo, I can't, I can't watch this with my child.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  But not yet. You gotta get him prepped.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  It's funny because you'll go through a day where you're like, I don't need any of that shit. And then like your phone's just sitting over there and the baby's kind of sleeping. You're just like, oh, let me look at this.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  That's what I felt when I posted, like the engagement was crazy. I was like, I gotta drop merch or something. There's a market with this. But yeah, no, you think you're like, yeah, I'm just gonna be a disciplined, good person forever now. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna be a great guy. And then just slowly wears away.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  Mark's wife wrote this beautiful thing. She'd be writing journal entries, right? And, uh, but it was like this beautiful thing and like, but he didn't say that. It was his wife who wrote it. So here's this picture of it. I'm scrolling the picture. I'm like, oh my God, this adorable pictures. And then it comes to like a note and I got through like three words and I was like, I can't read this shit. Before I go do shows, like I can, I cannot experience this level of homosexuality.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  I would have to call him getting emotional like, yo, brother, it's beautiful. He finally had feelings.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  It was in the description. It was in the description I said she wrote.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  It was just such a long description.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  I didn't read the description.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  I clicked see more and I was like, okay, Mark's emotional. I'll see more. That was like a quarter of the post. I was like, bro, we're not doing this. It's a word limit. It's like a newspaper article. I need a thousand words max. That's it.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  But this is good. You should share it. This is beautiful.

• 24:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, there's emotions online for sure.

• 24:59Speaker 00

  Also, like you going from like being addicted to zen for like two weeks and having no emotion at all, like being an actual robot to having every emotion in the world. That's the way to do it.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  Strip yourself of all emotion and then just.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Do you even know what my girl said when she was having a baby come out of her? And all of a sudden she saw me crack the can?

• 25:19Speaker 00

  And then you're like, it's for you.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  She goes, are you doing a zen right now? And I was like, yeah, I've been up for 24 hours. I would you pick up the pace and I don't need to do as many zens, okay?

• 25:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't have these contractions that keep me up.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Ugh.

• 25:33Speaker 00

  Damn, bro. You sure you don't want kids, dude?

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Nah, well, eventually. Nah, I can't wait. I know I'm gonna be a great dad, but.

• 25:40Speaker 00

  But.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  You can't go looking for this. Cause I've even told Alex about it before and we, you know, he's seen like this, yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 00

  You're getting, you're getting.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Wait, no, pause, pause. Listen, listen, not what, nah, nah, nah, nah.

• 25:57Speaker 00

  Parents fucking Alex.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Not Alex.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  It's Planned Parenthood.

• 26:04Speaker 00

  They call him the magician.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Or the oven cleaner, I heard.

• 26:10Speaker 00

  Who said that? That was you? Hasn't been, hasn't been. No, I'm not, I'm not.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Sorry, he was getting dating advice, we were talking about it before, and I said like-

• 26:21Mark Gagnon?

  These are jokes.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, jokes.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Anyway, yeah, just for me.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  I'm sure you've been there as well, you guys have been there, you're a little like, it's, you have to-

• 26:34Speaker 02

  I'm sure I have not.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Not, not, not look, because then you attract the wrong thing. Just chill and the right thing will come to you. So me, I just focus on myself, being the best version of myself.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  And then eventually you just attract-

• 26:44Speaker 02

  I was the best version of myself.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  And it worked, and it worked. Yeah, you can go get baptized.

• 26:50Speaker 00

  You can't just focus on yourself for too long, because Dove's been doing that, and he's nowhere even close to getting a girl. He, he wants to be married so bad. I know, he talks about it every single time. He just, "Oh, introduce me to a Jewish girl." "Give me the money, give me the money." And then it never fucking happens, okay?

• 27:09Speaker 01

  You want to tell him what you said to me, though? About? That, that you dated a Jewish girl? Oh, I didn't, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't say I dated a Jewish girl, I said I-

• 27:18Speaker 00

  His name's Israel.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  I said I had a Jewish friend that I can, yeah, I can hang out with, but then he, he said, "No, you're not allowed to do that." No, I'm not allowed to do that. But my name's Israel, so it's fine. That's what I said, so it's fine. And also I got approval now.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  So you're just knocking down some nice Jewish broad in a museum?

• 27:37Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no, this is here in New York.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Away game, my own friend, take him away.

• 27:49Mark Gagnon?

  If, if she's fucking Izzy, she doesn't want she-

• 27:56Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  It's not even that, it's the fact that, you know, Dove even knows, he's a low-key pimp. He's out here, he's got, I don't know.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  That's a boy.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  He's like, what do you need? He's like, what do you need? Let me know, what's your type? What's your type? So I'm like, I'll send you pictures.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  Oh, he's pimpin', he's pimpin'.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:10Speaker 00

  He's like, what you need? He is a pimp, he is a bad person. No, I'm trying to make sure. You do that.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Oh, you're trying to make sure?

• 28:16Speaker 03

  It's more like a match.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  I would say, yeah, you're a matchmaker.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I see, I see.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  You are a man.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  I heard that wrong. I thought you were trying to, like, hey.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, why do you think you could just, like, throw women's bodies around? That's disgusting. They have feelings, you know, they want to be spoken to and cared about, yeah.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  No, just saying.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, but no, Dove is like masterful with Brazilian girls with like a 72.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Brazilian?

• 28:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  I respect you.

• 28:41Speaker 00

  Any Brazilian that has that accent, because they're actually retarded.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Back to some cup of tea.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  That is fucking cup of tea.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Don't let him tear us apart.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  I'm just saying.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  They're not, they're not Brazilian, bro.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  No, they're not. They might actually, he says that, there are these girls, they always come on the front.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  How are you doing?

• 29:08Speaker 00

  And we're like, he's like, no, they're from Rio. And we're like, I think they're from Rio.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're from Rio, Rio.

• 29:16Speaker 00

  Dove, dude. Well, at least you're not racist like Miles.

• 29:22Speaker 03

  Why can't I stray? I'm not even in the.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  No, I'm just joking, but not at all. Listen. Miles went home, he had no electricity, he goes, I don't know how people live like this. We're like, who are you talking about, dude?

• 29:34Speaker 01

  Wait, what happened? When was this?

• 29:36Speaker 03

  I flew home to go see my parents and then hurricane, Florida. And then a hurricane hit.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  I was gonna say like fucking South Africa or something crazy.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Dude, that'd be so sick. Was it international? How cool?

• 29:44Speaker 00

  Why? Because they oppress black people?

• 29:48Speaker 00

  I just wanted to not. He can never not say a thing. It's actually a really funny character. Like a not racist person, but that just says something.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Accidentally most racist person.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, you would like that.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, sorry.

• 30:03Speaker 00

  Dude, way to bring up fucking South Africa, man. Come on, dude.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  That's my peoples, man.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's your peoples. Are you and him cool?

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're cool. After the fight, we had a nice discussion. It was cool, yeah.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  Was that a private thing? Or would you share that? You keep it private?

• 30:16Speaker 01

  It was cool, just like a moment. And at the end, he just said, if you're ever in South Africa, you know, tap in. I was like, yeah, sure. And I said, when we see again, I'll try and kill you. And he goes, I'll try and kill you too. And we just hugged. And I did this shit. And this is why I'm not beating those allegations. Cause I went, hey.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Well, he laughed and then just like, we just hugged and that was it.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  I thought it was a good moment between you guys.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  He seems like the textbook troll where he will talk all kinds of shit before the fight and then after the fight, the most humble, nice.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  That's how most fighters are. There's only some who take it to that place and then like, keep it like that after the fight. But nah, we're all on the same journey. And again, he's achieved his dream now.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  No matter what, even, um, what was the recent one I saw was, uh, Marab in Georgia, when they're hailing him.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  Oh, man, that was crazy.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  So whenever I see that, no matter what, it makes me feel aware. Cause I'm like, yo, I know that feeling. I've done that too.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  So it's, it's, yeah, you can, if I hate on that, what does that say about me?

• 31:12Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I always respect.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Sorry, do you find yourself, I know before the fight, you're saying like, this is real. Do you find yourself having to get to that place and like, build up to that place? Or is it, does it get harder as you get more successful to find that extra gear? Kind of what we talked about earlier, but to find that, you know what? I need to hate this guy, cause then I'm gonna lock in like I used to lock in.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Nah, it can, that was real, but it doesn't get harder unless say, like Jeff had, uh, my friend had this, uh, stat saying like, whenever you fight someone, you don't really have any static. You fight different, even if you beat them. But whatever I have beef with someone, I now, I now let them normally. So, yeah, uh, as I get older and I'm thinking about it, I'm like, I might have to tap into something else just to get that. Or not fight from that place.

• 32:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 32:02Speaker 02

  It seems like there's a ceiling on that, kind of like.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  There's only so much.

• 32:06Speaker 00

  But not everybody can fight from a different place.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:08Speaker 00

  Like, you fight from one place your entire life, that is your motivation. And then you get to, you get to a time in your life where like, you're, you feel really achieved? Like, that giant hole that you have that you're trying to fill? Yeah, but.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  But it's less big.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  Is he knowing you for the last however long we've known each other? Five years or something like that, like?

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Longer even.

• 32:28Speaker 00

  Your level of confidence in yourself, I think people always assumed you were the most confident person. And even now, seeing the way that you've handled that, like, this loss, like, to me, that's the demonstration of confidence.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  That's real confidence.

• 32:44Speaker 00

  Because if you lose and then you're completely wiped out, that means that your confidence and identity is wrapped in being the victor. And we will not always be the victor in life. So whatever that lady in the Winnebago is telling you.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes, you're right, Janet, yeah. So again, we talked about it as well, talk about, and I use the avatar Zuko, the firebender, when he became friends with Ang and then they had to, he had to find a new way to fireman because he didn't have that anger anymore. He met the original firebenders, the dragons, and they relearned firebending. So for me, that's one of the main reasons I haven't even been to the jungles yet. Because I just know that, it's not my whole fuel, but I like having that, you know? I'm gonna fucking show you.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Like that, you fucking kidding me?

• 33:28Speaker 00

  I like the chip, the chip is a great motivation.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  She always brings up Bernard Hopkins.

• 33:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, on who, Bernard Hopkins?

• 33:33Speaker 02

  He always brings up Bernard Hopkins.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Bernard was, was a perfect example of that, like, when he was the heel, he was unstoppable. And then sometimes a heel becomes a face.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  And I think that he was less effective as a face.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:44Speaker 00

  Like, when we were all rooting for him.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:46Speaker 00

  I think it was, he just didn't know what to do with it. When he was taking the Puerto Rican flag in Puerto Rico and ripping and stepping on it, he was unstoppable.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  I mean, he mauled Trinidad, like, he was, I, I just, it's a, yeah, it's a peculiar thing that only you guys really understand.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  I mean, we're all understanding in our own ways, but where we're fighting because of what we have to do, even, I won't say the name, but someone in the game who has done what I've done, even achieved greater heights, said, yeah, don't do it till after fighting.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  Don't, what's that?

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Go to the jungles or like tap into those plant medicines till after fighting.

• 34:20Speaker 00

  Ah, cuz it's gonna.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, he felt like it changed him a little way. Even like what Deontay Wilder was talking about, he went to Peru, I think.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  Ayahuasca?

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then allegedly, people have said, no, he hasn't fought, even he said it after his post-fight. Recently, he said, yeah, I found inner peace or something like that, rah rah rah rah. And then people said it's taking away that cuz, bro, he was the guy knocking out everybody, left, right and center, the highest KO ratio in boxing. But again, I think it's just finding a different place to fight for, even if you've done that cuz people have done it and been successful. But there's levels.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  This is.

• 34:54Mark Gagnon?

  Bernard Hutton did it.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:56Mark Gagnon?

  He ended up finding, being, he became champion like 50 or something.

• 35:00Speaker 00

  Well, I think what he did is, uh, he became the underdog again.

• 35:04Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, he did?

• 35:05Speaker 00

  When he was fighting as an old man.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  Right? So like, while he might have been the face, it was still like, nobody believes in me, nobody believes I can do it because I'm so old, then I'm gonna prove you wrong.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  I hated being the favorite at some points cuz some people, I'm like, why you still have me as the favorite? Even in the second Alex Panetta fight, I was like, I'm the favorite still?

• 35:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  I'm like, bro, I didn't like it. So I do like, I, I don't, it's not, it's not the whole feel.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Because again, I do tap in with like love, the people that really show me love, the people that are around me, the messages I get, I don't. Some of the messages I get, man, I'm just like, bro, you don't even know me, but you know me. And it fills me with joy and it fills me with pride and those are the people I fight for when I tap into that. But also, the ones that don't believe in me and say all this shit, I'm like, I'm gonna fucking show you cuz I like that. But I don't know how long that's gonna last for. So again, finding new spots to fight for them and, yeah, we'll see. Even train for them, I'm gonna try it out.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  We're transferring that to something else. I mean, it's, you know, it's, and on some level, probably an addiction. You see some people like they quit drinking, then become like workout a whole.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, you find something else.

• 36:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you can't just go, well, a lot of people just can't just go cold turkey in life. Like, you need to fill that, you know, sitting around.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  That's me after fighting, I was saying this to Joe as well, after fighting. And that's why I say now, who knows what's gonna happen after fighting, but I say, I would need something to do every few months that'll make me feel like I'm about to die. So one of the things is like, say, I'll train for three months or two months and then cool, let's go running with the bulls. But I'll train for two months on how to run with the bulls. Do it with maybe some sheep first. We've got heaps of sheep in New Zealand. Like fucking run with the sheep or whatever. And then eventually, because that would just get me up. That would make me feel like fuck. I, Joe said dumb ways to die. I agree. But what a rush.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  I would do that. I would do shark diving. I never thought I would because water, but you know.

• 37:04Speaker 00

  What do you mean because water?

• 37:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, what about the water?

• 37:06Speaker 01

  I mean, I surf once, twice, three times maybe, but I just, me and water don't mix. I don't, I'm a buoyant.

• 37:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  I can say if you put me in the middle of the ocean right now, I probably have like 20 minutes or 30 minutes before I'm like, I'm done. Because I can try and tread water, but I'm so dense. I'm skinny. Don't float. I'm so dense. So yeah, but shark diving, scuba tank, in a cage, reinforced, I'll try it just for fun.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Like with a great white, yeah, that'd be.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  Skydive, would you skydive?

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Done it twice. Did it once in Abu Dhabi. The first one, fucking amazing, life-changing experience. That was last year and the last year. And then I did a random one this year, just for fun. And the second time wasn't as thrilling, but it was, it was just cool to see.

• 37:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you're not focused on surviving.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. The first one, I was just like, ah, I wasn't even scared. So shit like that, skydive, still have the McLaren. I don't drive fast though, but I've taken it to the track a couple of times.

• 38:00Speaker 00

  Oh, really? So you just need to feel like you're gonna die.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  At the moment. So again, who knows? When I have a kid, I might be like, I need to live.

• 38:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, that does happen.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  You know, so again, that might.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  That really does happen.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  It's just freedom of thought. I'm saying that now because that's how I feel. I feel like I would need something that's gonna make me feel like I'm about to, because you know, I like that, I like that sauce.

• 38:19Mark Gagnon?

  Like a white boy.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  He's a Kiwi, bro.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  He's a different breed. If you grew up out there, trust me, you'd be, you'd be, you'd be, uh, you'd be different.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  But that's a fighter thing. Like fighters cannot let go, man. Like, because what is, could even come close to it? What could come close to it?

• 38:37Speaker 01

  That's why I say when I'm done, I'm done. And I know that feeling. I talked to, even with, um, Jason Miller about it as well. Cause we, the little thing in LA, but that feeling when you're backstage, you've done the last fucking warm up or whatever. And then it's, um, you know, yo, going on in five minutes, five minutes. And then, you know, two minutes and then they're counting down. Okay, it's rope, time to go. Cool. You walk out, stand here, wait at your mark. And then it's like, we're going on in 60 seconds. And then waiting there and then everyone's behind you, your coaches. And you turn around, you might give like a little fist bump, something. And then you get out there, you get through the tunnel, you get the fucking wave, you see everything. I wish I could actually describe this to people. Maybe I'll do a VR experience with it one time.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  And just, oh, this is an idea for the UFC. Do it. Honestly, it's fucking crazy. Cause you walk out, you see everything. Everything. People are yelling. You can see all the people in the rafters.

• 39:31Speaker 00

  Intense focus. You can probably highlight little things because your mind is.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. On my, um, Anson Silverfire, I saw one of my friends in the stand and I winked at him and he goes,

• 39:41Speaker 01

  and again, that's just the thing. You can just see everything. You're so focused, but yeah, that's nothing like it. Nothing like it.

• 39:47Speaker 00

  So what is life like when that's not happening?

• 39:50Speaker 01

  I have to let go. And that's why I've seen a lot of guys, like, what was that movie, The Wrestler?

• 39:53Speaker 00

  No, no, I mean now, like, like, or like in between fights, like is, are you craving it? Are you thinking about like, or can you adjust to that kind of normal level?

• 40:04Speaker 01

  I've learned how to, cause even, um, you know, shout out to Volkanovsky, he talked about it as well when, you know, he took the fight with Islam.

• 40:10Speaker 00

  It was like, it's hard, like.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  That's why they don't give me free time and a lot of money.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  So many fighters have said that. They're like, Tommy Morrison, remember that boxer? They're like, you gotta keep him in the gym.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, keep me busy.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  And he ended up getting AIDS.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  Wish Jim was here inside.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  But like, but it is true, like, there must be, it just must be an experience.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 00

  Like, don't get me wrong, like, being on stage, and I've felt certain things that are unbelievable, remarkable.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  I don't even think it scratches the surface of what it's like to be in that arena, knowing you could die.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  It's a danger, I was gonna say, you felt it, all of you have felt it. It's the same thing, it's relative, but the aspect of danger, danger is just that thing that's the sauce. And that makes it like, fuck, cause you're like, I'm about to go against this guy. And you're not thinking this, but you just know, this is a possibility that I could get in this.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  I could get sparked, but also, I could do that to this guy.

• 41:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  And that's the, that's the gamble, I'm a gambling man, but I like to calculate my risks.

• 41:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 00

  Steak boys in the building right now.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  So while we, while we're here, and we're having, this is like a supercharged steak segment, because we got, you know, Izzy in the motherfucking building. And you know that, that Jon Jones and Aspen are about to go, go at it.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Um, Stipe.

• 41:44Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that's the fight that we all want. Yeah.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  So yeah, what are we thinking about the Stipe fight?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  I think Stipe is, is, is a legend in the game, one of, if not the greatest heavyweight ever.

• 41:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  But Jon Jones is now a heavyweight, the heavyweight champion, and one of, if not the greatest fighter ever. But I just wanna see what Stipe looks like for, maybe in the coming weeks, so the fight's next month?

• 42:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanna see, but Jon Jones, I think the, the, what do you call it, um, Cyril Gansford, I was like, oh, that's gonna be hard.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Easy. So I think he might even make this one easier.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  I just feel like John is just a guy you can't, you can't doubt. Cause that one I thought like, oh, Sarah Gunn is new level heavyweight.

• 42:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Similar sized footwork.

• 42:31Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Can grapple. Nah, I was like, okay, yeah. Nah, John's that guy. He's that guy. So I think.

• 42:36Speaker 00

  Him and his bros were sitting next to us at the Sphere.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  And I'm glad that you guys patched things up.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 00

  You guys are, there's mutual respect.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  You know, that, when that happened, that was.

• 42:44Speaker 00

  It was at airport or something?

• 42:45Speaker 01

  No, no, at the bar. And then his manager just goes, you know, Izzy's behind you, right? And he turns around and goes, yo. And I'm like, yo. And we just dapped up.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  Oh, that's great.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  And that was just like a moment like, for me as a fan, cause I've always been a fan.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  And when we had beef, I was just like, well, fuck this guy. But then we still always respected each other.

• 43:03Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  So that was a, that was a cool moment for me.

• 43:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Cause you know, you my boy.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  So I'm glad that you guys are cool.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  He's cool as shit.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Nah, he's cool.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  Nah, he's cool.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  We hung out.

• 43:14Speaker 00

  He's like, he's like, oh, like, yeah. Like there's like, obviously you guys need to be like professional.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  But like when there's no cameras on, like, the jokes are flying, like.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Oh, that kind of stuff.

• 43:23Speaker 00

  His bros play football today, like, you know.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Oh, no, trust me. We were at the bar for about 40 minutes and we talked about everything.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  He was chopping it up.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, it's hard to bet against John in that one. I, I don't, yeah, I don't see.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Also, he's great. He's, like I said, the greatest.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Fighter we've ever seen.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I think that's gonna be, what else? What else coming up is interesting? I'm trying to think, like.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  I mean, do you think he fights Aspinall or do you think he does this and retires?

• 43:48Speaker 01

  I, who knows? He says he.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  He keeps saying he's gonna retire. I would love to see him in Aspinall.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  That, that could be a fucking play. That's his chestnut checkers, you know?

• 43:56Speaker 02

  I hope so.

• 43:56Speaker 00

  That is true. He says I'm not fighting again. And then when UFC goes, hey, we really want you to, that number might go up.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  So he could be working games for sure.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Who wins Aspinall, John?

• 44:06Speaker 00

  If that does happen.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's, they gotta.

• 44:09Speaker 00

  Cause Aspinall's good.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  I think. Fuck.

• 44:13Speaker 00

  It's hard to go against John, bro.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the thing. John finds a way, he finds a way. But Aspinall, so far, the way he dispatched of, um, Ser-.

• 44:22Speaker 00

  The Russian guy, yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 44:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  And he's fast. I met him.

• 44:25Speaker 00

  That's the thing, he's fast.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Sat next to him at 300, he and his dad, cool dudes. Loved the guys as well. But he's the same height as me, if not an inch taller, but thick.

• 44:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  And I was like, fuck, you're a lot thicker than I would expect. And, um, the speed.

• 44:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  That's the thing that I'm like, okay, that's the danger. But again, grappling, he's a black belt.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  But.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  John is fucking.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  It's different.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  But, I don't know, man, they gotta fight. But if they don't ever fight, we'll never know. Cause we had that with John and Silva, we had that with Silva and GSP. So all these fights, we will never see.

• 44:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  You know, so, we just have to have them in the ether, forever and ever.

• 45:01Speaker 00

  And we'll talk about it here. But if you do, you're gonna.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  You bet on these.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  You're gonna bet with steak.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Shout out steak, bro, they be taking care of you.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  Shout out steak, go, go to steak, go get your money up. Do we have a signup code or anything like that, Jamel? Flagrant, flagrant signup code to get your signup bonus. Go check, check out steak. I'm sure Izzy got one as well. You could probably use either, but use ours.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Use ours.

• 45:28Speaker 00

  Listen, this is Dub's deal. Let's get back to the show, man.

• 45:33Mark Gagnon?

  But you actually worded me something you said before.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:35Mark Gagnon?

  Cause you said like, some of the pressure is a bit lifted off of you because you're not defending the belt. So you're maybe, you're looking forward to trying more things in the ring and having fun.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:44Mark Gagnon?

  But, doesn't that come with heavy risk, like trying?

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Well, calculated risks.

• 45:49Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. So how do you find that bout?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  You just do it. So again, like when I fought, what's his name, um, like Tavarez, when I did that in the fight, or even the first Vittori fight, there was this move, spin move with the kick I did. I'd never tried it in the gym, but I was like, oh, I saw O'Malley do this. And it landed, and it's now always on my highlights.

• 46:07Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  So those kind of things, I just had the confidence to do them back then, cause I just do it.

• 46:11Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and if I, if I'm confident in myself, like my tornado kick in kickboxing, I'd never tried it on my training mates, cause it's really dangerous. But then I knocked down a heavyweight with it in the ring, live, first time ever trying it. I've tried it on pads, tried it on the bag, but I never tried it on a real person, inspiring. And I had him against the ropes, boom, hit him. So shit like that, I wanna try and just have fun. Cause I'm not really, again, my, my legacy is, I said this already, if, if what I've already done. In this game, a lot of people don't even get to the belt, a lot of people don't even get to the UFC. But I've done it twice, still the only two time middleweight champion. And if what I've already done in this game won't make me happy, then what will?

• 46:51Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  What's gonna make me happy? It's like, nah, I'm happy, but I'm not content. I still have a few things I wanna try, a few moves I wanna do, a few few sequences that I just feel, and some I don't even know about, that just gonna, when I see them on the highlights, I'd be like, ooh, that was tight. So they're yet to come, so I look forward to creating those.

• 47:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  That's the artist in me.

• 47:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Cause I just like, again, submission, I know I'm a choking motherfucker out. I'm definitely gonna get one of those.

• 47:18Speaker 00

  The tricky, yeah, the tricky thing is like,

• 47:22Speaker 00

  whenever you fight, there's gonna be demand and attention.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:25Speaker 00

  There are certain people that their career ends not because they want to tend.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  You gotta break up with fighting before fighting breakups with you.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  And sometimes it, it breaks up with them, and that's gotta be, think about how brutal that is, cause you're like, I still need this, I still.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  I mean, I've seen it, I've seen it, even in my own gym where some people, and I'm just like, bro, he should stop, cause he's older and this, and then you see the fight, he's just like,

• 47:51Speaker 01

  but you can't say anything, it's not my place.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  What is the conversation like?

• 47:54Speaker 01

  That's the coaches, so they have to have that conversation.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  And will they do it?

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh yeah, you, definitely.

• 48:00Speaker 00

  And how, how does that go? Like, will Eugene, like, sit somebody down and say?

• 48:03Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it, it hasn't happened to me.

• 48:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course not.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  But I don't, but I think probably, most coaches who care about you will let you know, like, bro, I think it's time, like, you just, and they'll see it and let you know, and if you don't wanna listen, you're still stubborn, then they'll support you, cause you're gonna do it anyway.

• 48:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  If you're gonna do it anyway, then they're like, okay, cool.

• 48:21Mark Gagnon?

  But aren't the coaches incentivized to having the fighters fight as long as possible? So then they continue getting.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  That's the coaches, if they don't care about their fighters, like these gyms who have fighters that just, like, cattle.

• 48:32Speaker 00

  It's a mill, it's a factory, yeah.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Exactly, or managers who have fucking 300 fighters on their roster, it's just, you know, they can't care about all of them. Some of them, it's just they're getting 10%, 20% here, it all adds up and they end up being rich, so it's about caring about someone and caring about their well-being. So yeah, you don't wanna put someone in there who just, on the world stage, and that's it, cause then. The stock of your gym, the stock of your, your fighters goes down. Yeah. Yeah, you wanna keep it up. So I know you just not that kinda guy like he'll, me and him, even before that, I think I'll know. Before him and probably even at the same time, we'll know, we'll just know and then it'd be like, yeah, I'll know when it's time. When do you wanna break up with fighting? Sorry. I'll break up with fighting.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  You know, when it, it would even like, it's not even, it's not, you can't say we're fighting. It's, it's not you, it's me. It is me, cause fighting is always gonna be there, but it's me, like it's father time. We'll catch up with all of us at some point. Like I said, now I have to have breakfast, cause I realize, okay, that actually helps you, fuel you before your first training, rather than just rolling out of bed and then cool, let's get to the gym. Do the damn thing, but um, yeah, when will I? I don't know, but I know, I said at twenty something, I say when I'm thirty four, I'm done with this game. I'm thirty five now. Yeah. But I know I still, I said I'm over the halfway point, then I'm definitely a few years away, maybe three years away, but who knows? I know I'm, I don't wanna be fighting at forty. Would you do an exhibition?

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Nah, hell no, hell no. Fun, make some money. Maybe some wrestling, maybe, but like after UFC, that's the, what, what the fuck else? Like, bro, all this shit, like, go box or go do this. I'm like nah. Yeah. I've been on the top, the baddest of the baddest, with the baddest of the baddest, like, what else compares? Like, the UFC, you know, they get a lot of flack, but still, it's the highest uh, combat sports league in the game right now. Yeah. So what else compares to that for me? And that was my dream to be in the UFC and then be a champion. And then, so I'm gonna go box some YouTuber for, I mean, fuck, twenty million, bro.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  But I'm saying, look, I'll, I'll prey on it.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Inshallah, I'll pray on it, but we'll see, we'll see. But, but like, I just don't think anything, because of my, my code and my morals as well. I'm like, again, I'm not desperate for it, so, yeah, I'm not desperate for that kind of money. Because again, shout out to my pops, he's looked after the family, the family seat. So, yeah, I think there's other ways to make money. Voiceover acting, fucking video game. The video game world is crazy.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  So much more money than Hollywood.

• 51:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  You know?

• 51:12Speaker 00

  Well, because people are actually playing video games.

• 51:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of people aren't watching movies that they used to.

• 51:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, like so many new games, I gotta go home and there's Wukong I'm playing. And then fucking Warhammer, I'm playing as well right now. I don't know if you guys, you guys don't game? No, not nerds? Yeah, but yeah, for me, those games right now keep me busy. And I can see myself doing motion capture for those kind of shit.

• 51:31Speaker 00

  That'd be sick.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm great at motion, I've never done motion capture, but I know for a fact, I'd be really good at creating certain things with motion capture. And the possibilities are endless.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Because I could be whatever.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So, yeah, that I'd love to get into.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  I think that a lot of people like outside of, of fighting can't fathom that anybody does it for another reason besides money.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 51:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, you know, and, and like, the more that you talk about it, the less I feel you've ever done it for money.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did it for free for years.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  Exactly. So it's like, so the idea, like the desire to keep fighting is to scratch the itch that is still there. Whereas everybody else goes, yeah, he's so fucking rich and he's got everything and he's got his health. He's got like, why would you even want to do it? And then you're like, well, the same reason I did it for free.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Because it is the thing in life that excites me the most, it motivates me the most. It's the reason I get up in the fucking morning. It's like, I imagine when you have a fight sign, like the three months before, it's like every single day has purpose. Every single day is meaningful.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 00

  And, yeah, I, I think that's the perspective you gotta look at it through.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  This camp was my best camp in the sense that I did everything. Because again, far the time, you realize the way your body operates. So I did, uh, the massages every week, what'd you call it? Ice baths every day, the breakfast and nutrition was on, the strength and conditioning like, and I, there was not one day this camp. Because again, other, other camps, some days I wake up, I'm like, fuck my body and just like, ah. But this last camp, one day, there's not one day where I woke up, I was just like. Ah, this is fucking a drag.

• 53:13Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  You know, so it was, and it's because I did all the things, all the little things.

• 53:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  See me at night with the fucking hyper ice boots on, you know, the ones that.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  Late, I think ballers use it as well.

• 53:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  So I, I was, I was on that and.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  Doug, Doug uses it too.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's a baller. But yeah, so for me, I'm always, I'm always, um, trying to find ways to, well, how can I make this better? How can I make the next camp better? How can I make myself better? And again, where we've done the testing now, I know where we're at and I look forward to the next one. And whenever that is, nah.

• 53:45Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  I don't know, but best believe you'll see the best version of me again.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  Well, the Strickland DDP is interesting because you probably want rematch. Do you care about the Strickland fight?

• 53:55Speaker 01

  I do, I, oh, yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Come on, man.

• 53:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, you want that back.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Come on, man. But again, I know me and I know where I was during that, that fight week and all that. And again, that was his time, it was his week.

• 54:04Speaker 00

  That's the only fight of yours I haven't watched live.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Ah, really?

• 54:08Speaker 00

  Since we've known each other.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 54:10Speaker 00

  So that's my fault.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry. I forgive you, I forgive you.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  You were on stage?

• 54:15Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 54:15Speaker 00

  But I remember that you came upstairs.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  It felt weird.

• 54:18Speaker 00

  It's the only fight.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it felt weird for me. And then like in the fight itself, like when he dropped me, I remember getting up and I'm like, oh, this nigga's hitting me. Oh shit, he's hitting me. And I looked at Mark Gutter and there's a picture of me, I'm like, I'm good.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  And he's still, he's probably like 18 punches deep.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Wasn't really hitting me, but it was like hitting the guard and I'm just like, cool. And I start fighting back.

• 54:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  But the whole fight just felt like a weird dream.

• 54:41Speaker 00

  Out of body dreams.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, like when you're trying to like really, and in a dream trying to hit the monster, you're like, what the fuck noodle arms?

• 54:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  Felt weird. And again, it was just his week. He has pressure, his game.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, the way he played.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Good pressure and like consistent pressure while closing distance.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Wait till I fight him again, like with DDP, I, I, I, I walked him back a few times.

• 55:03Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Cause I was.

• 55:04Speaker 00

  I feel like he was just, like, he was effective when he was doing that bum rush thing. It's such a weird, what are you, what are you thinking as a fighter? Like literally your entire life that your coaches are going, whatever you do, don't run straight and just throw big looping punches.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Put your head down, not even looking.

• 55:19Speaker 00

  But how, why is it effective, you think?

• 55:21Speaker 01

  I think just him as a fighter, the style, the cadence, even his question mark kick, it's so slow.

• 55:26Speaker 00

  It's peculiar though, right?

• 55:27Speaker 01

  By the time you block it and come back, now he didn't hit me with it, he had Strickland with it. But I've seen him when he did it, he'd question mark and catch him, but it's so slow. By the time you block and calm down, then it hits you.

• 55:37Speaker 00

  Weird.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  It's weird.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  It's like off speed.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Off speed, yeah, he's off speed.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  I remember when Manny Pacquiao fought Manuel, Manuel Marquez or whatever.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  One Manuel.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  One Manuel Marquez. His trainer, after the third fight or something, was like, now that Manny is a more orthodox fighter and more traditional, I think we're gonna have an easier time with him. Because before, we never knew what was coming, where it was coming from. It was so unorthodox, you couldn't figure it out.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, the freedom, the freedom to try whatever. You know, but I don't think that's him. I think he's just awkward. That's his style and also his will.

• 56:07Speaker 00

  And durability.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  His will, his willpower. Like, when he's tired, he'll still go, because there was a bit in the fourth round, I was lighting him up and he shot and I sprawled back of his head, my nuts hit him, boom, into the ground, and I thought I rocked him maybe. But then, I get up and I'm there, and then, what's his name, ref's like, get up. He didn't get up, gets on his knees and the ref's like, get up. And he finally gets up and I attack him, and he didn't even care about what he, he just, he just wanted to throw, so he threw. And I had, you have to address it because, you know, it's something coming at you, but he just throws just to stop you in your tracks. So, he's not trying to hit you, he's not doing a aiming fire, he's throwing and hoping. So, it just stops in your tracks, it stops your momentum, and then you have to go again, but, his will, he's a stubborn dude, stubborn dude, but you just have to outwill him.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  And again, I can't wait till I fight, you know, guys like Strickland or whoever, because now, Pereira, the second fight, I remember thinking, like, I told Eugene, I'm gonna stress you out this fight, you know that, right? And he's like, what? I'm like, I'm gonna strik-, because I know in the corner he's gonna be like, oh fuck, that was close, and in Miami, that was because I'm gonna be right there, and I was pushing him back, when he pushes me back, and I'm like, nah, it's, it's a, I know how to do it to people.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  So, when, when you go, when you went for Pereira too.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  I was like, yeah, let's go, like, I told Eugene, I'm gonna stress you out.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  Because you had a lot of confidence going into one, I feel like, and I feel like you were.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  I was beating him.

• 57:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  I mean, round one is 10 seconds longer, it's a first round knockout.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Three seconds longer, that's what I needed, that's, but again, that's, that's the life of it, eh? And then, go to the point. Where eventually I, you know, I lose to him, I say, all right, let's do it again, then uh, straight away, boom. And then in the part two fight, I'm just like, I'm coming at you. And even when I walk or watch the walkout now.

• 57:48Speaker 00

  Wait, no, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, stop, stop, stop. You decide to come at him. Is that strategy because you think he thinks that you're gonna be? Got it. Okay.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  So they think, oh, he's just gonna move back and leg kicks and paw paw paw. I'm like, nah, watch this. I told you, I'm gonna stress you the fuck out. This is like two weeks before the fight, oh, three weeks before the fight, two weeks before I hurt my knee. And then, um, yeah, so even going into that fight, fucked up me. I was just like, I'm gonna attack him and go forward.

• 58:11Speaker 00

  So first round, he, so first round, the first thing that he realizes, oh shit, he's not afraid.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:16Speaker 00

  So now his, his mental in that fight is gonna be completely flipped.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  They expected me to move back.

• 58:22Speaker 00

  And just kind of, oh, counter punch, ah.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  So for me, I'm just like, nah, I'm gonna attack him. Cause sometimes people forget I can do that. Until you show them, they're like, oh shit, he can.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  So you put pressure on.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. I can. And then eventually, he got me. Pereira, like certain people, just used to taking leg kicks.

• 58:39Speaker 00

  How does that affect?

• 58:41Speaker 01

  That's when I'm able to push Pereira backwards. So I go southpaw, cause I can just check the leg kick. From this stance, I can just turn the knee in, and then I was pushing him backwards, southpaw. So I'm like, okay.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  Wait, is he traditional?

• 58:51Speaker 01

  He's, uh, yeah, orthodox, yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 00

  So he's?

• 58:53Speaker 01

  He likes orthodox. He can fight both ways, but not as good as.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  He prefers, and then when he throws that quick little.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Leg kick, it's orthodox. And if you're orthodox, orthodox, that's when, so whenever for me.

• 59:02Speaker 00

  So he would have to throw it to the inside of your calf.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  And they could just, that's easier to check.

• 59:06Speaker 00

  And then you just leaning into it.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  Just turn the knee.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  So for me, when he hurt my leg, and then I went southpaw, and then this is by the cage, I was like, you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring him in. I just went, give him, so I went, you see me, I switched back to orthodox, so I was like, he's gonna take the leg.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  Does, seeing the tear that Alex is on right now, does that make the victory feel?

• 59:23Speaker 01

  I hope he never stops.

• 59:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, because it just makes your victory feel so much sweeter, right?

• 59:28Speaker 01

  David, what'd you say the other day? No one's ever gone past, uh, two rounds, a round and a half with him. And I never thought about that till he said it, and I was like. Oh yeah, only Yan I think was the only one maybe.

• 59:38Speaker 05

  That was wrestling.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, you are standing on the feet. Yeah, again, to stand on the feet with him. And even he said, you told me last night.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, I saw it on Instagram. Hopefully this is a real quote, but they were talking, he was talking about, they were asking about another guy that like, I guess was in kickboxing with you guys. I don't know if you had fought him, but I think Alex had fought him and they basically asked him, do you think he'll be successful at UFC? And he's like, he's not Izzy, he's not me. Like, he can't do it. And again, I don't know your guys' relationship and even if that's a real quote, because it's on fucking Instagram.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 00

  But if it is, I think it's a pretty cool admission of respect.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  Well, now we know, like me and him know every time to fight each other is not an easy fight.

• 1:00:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  And now we've had that rivalry. And again, I've said this, I'm like, people are like, oh, you scared, you scared. I'm like, then why did I fight him straight away after he knocked me out in the biggest fucking arena in the world? But it's not that, it's just for me, the story itself, the whole story, like even, what did Dana say? You could do a 30 for 30 or not?

• 1:00:34Speaker 00

  I mean, it's crazy.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  And you should.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  Honestly, like a 30 for 30 ESPN special on our fucking story from kickboxing and then him chasing me and then this. And then we should even do an interview afterwards, just fucking.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  Just the two of you.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, sit down and, I mean, just Shama.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  You know, and then I'll say whatever I was saying, and then Shama, and then bro it out.

• 1:00:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  It seems like he has a lot of love for you, which I like.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Or respect, if you.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Respect.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  There's something about like, you knocked someone down, even me, like, I let it go when he knocked me out. I never chased him.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  I'm always fine. Like, look, if the Shawn fight never happens again, I'm fine. If you've never been in that situation, you never understand how to let go. You have to be willing to let go. You can't keep chasing these things. So for me, I don't chase them. They always come back around. And that's how I know these moments come back around. But yeah. We've had that. If I fight him again and I knock him out, then oh no, it's three, two now. Best out of seven.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  Who am I fighting for? And again, I only have how much more left in the game. I'm not gonna try and, you know, just to entertain people. There's more fights I'd rather do. Couple more rematches I'd rather do.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  So, yeah. I don't want to keep chasing the same fucking, or beating a dead horse or whatever.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Now, you said that you believe he actually does use spells.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Look, we all have something. We all have some.

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  Now we're talking.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  A little.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  Now we're talking.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Like I said, before I fought him in Miami, there was nights I'd just be just in the house, shadow boxing, pacing up and down, microdosed up a little bit, or macrodosed, or I'd be in the shower. I've said that shower is the greatest place to create.

• 1:02:10Speaker 00

  Shower shrooms.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  That's what you're saying, bro.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Shower shrooms. And just like, there was one night, Chance is in bed sleeping and then I just go in his room like, tower on like, Chance, Chance. He's like, huh? What? Oh shit, huh? I'm like, I'm on. He's like, oh, oh, oh, okay. Like, he knew straight what I meant. Cause sometimes if he comes home and he hears the same track on a loop, and I'm in the shower, he just knows, ah, he's.

• 1:02:38Speaker 00

  He's in his own.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  He's in there, in that void he's creating. So again, I don't know if anyone else does this, but I just employ people to like, these techniques. But yeah, that's my way of like, now he has his ancestors, you know, he has his people from his tribe. And even when I fought Rob the first time in Melbourne, I felt something with him. I've never really spoken on this, but like, everyone has something. I have my parents fasting and praying. I have my uncle, who was a pastor, prayer warriors back in Nigeria, praying for me. So yeah, but also we all tap into, cause we're indigenous people. We know how to tap into the spirituality of things. So he definitely has an energy behind him that just props him up, gets him going. And it's hard to explain unless you've been in there with someone.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  And if, like, if you have, you'll know. It's in the eyes, it's in the energies, the spirit, so. You can clown me and say, oh, it's fucking woo woo, whatever. But again, in the Western world, no one really fucks with that. It's all about science and energies and crystals and all that. But you felt it with Rob? Cause Rob's what, Maori? Maori, yeah. But it was something different. And also, I maybe my thing with the Death Note, I don't know. But yeah, also he's the Grim Reaper, apparently. So, but I felt it with Rob. There was something, but you know, this is things I don't like to. Cause I grew up in Nigeria. I've seen people get possessed. Yeah. I've seen, David, remember at the house in Shangi Sha when that lady, do you remember? I was only five. Oh, yeah, now you remember. But then this, yeah, I've seen some shit. We'll see what happens. Now.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  Talking, go. Okay, this, okay, so. No, no, no, this, this, okay. Locked in over there right now.

• 1:04:18Speaker 06

  Okay, so.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  He's witnessed divine creation.

• 1:04:22Speaker 06

  Our, our, our other brother Sam, he lived in Nigeria longer than us. And then he came to join us in New Zealand.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Speaker 06

  And he came with so many stories.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Speaker 06

  Like, um, one time after school, one of the students picked up a rubber band and turned into a yam.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:04:37Speaker 06

  And then everyone said, oh, they've turned into a yam. And they cut the yam open and then there was blood. And I was like, you're cap or you're lying, you're lying. And then I went to my, I went to our dad and he, and I was like, is this true? And he's like, like, these things happen, like, like, no cap. And he's not gonna bullshit, like, he's not like a.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  He doesn't need it for clout.

• 1:04:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  I've seen some stuff in boarding school. Great boys. I've seen, yeah. You went to his life. When he laughs and he's fucking rolling, he's hilarious. It's a little discouraging, we haven't heard that in an hour and a half.

• 1:05:07Speaker 06

  I'm working on it, yeah. But it's true, it's true.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  It's true. I've seen some stuff, again, the one I was talking about in the house, after school, we used to just hear random noises from the house above us, constantly just. But, but, what the fuck, she's speaking in tongues? And then one night, I remember like, uh, maybe around two or three AM. The whole house, if there was commotion and then they took her to a church or something to go pray. And then I tried to see it. My parents were like, just go in your room, go in your room and lock the door. And then I tried to ask the, the housemaids the next day, what happened, but everyone just kept, you know, ah, just whatever, whatever. But I found out later on, it was, she passed the thing on, it was a housemaid from upstairs. She passed it to the mum and the mum passed it to the kids and then the dad was the only one who didn't get touched by it.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  But then they had to like do this whole exorcist shit. This sounds crazy, like some fucking holy shit. But this is, it, it happens. I've seen it and I, again, boarding school, I've seen it as well. It's real. I don't want to go too much into it because then I just sound like a fucking crazy person, but yeah, I already do, but still.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  You're experienced. What happened in boarding school? What happened allegedly?

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. Boarding school, we're playing tag and then this kid, whenever he got tagged, he'd just kind of switch. And then he'd catch someone and start trying to beat them. And what the fuck, yo, relax, chill. And later on, we couldn't find him for hours. And then at one point,

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  at one point, me and this kid who were looking for him, we see in the night, lightning strike, strikes again. And he's right there running, that's in slow motion. And I'll never forget this because there's moments in your life, you just, you just click.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  Let's get out.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  And then you just go.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  A guy running, get out.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  And then we ran. And then people were like, what the fuck? We're like, he's coming, he's coming, he's coming. But yeah, um.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  So did, what, did he come?

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know. Fuck, I didn't stay to find out.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  So you, okay.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, get the fuck out of there. Yeah. And eventually they found him. They found him later on eventually. And he was in a bush or somewhere. This is in open state, Bell's boarding school. They found him eventually in the bushes somewhere. And yeah, I think after the next day, we never saw him at school for a while.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, Val's got a story. There were some knives that flew off the shelf in Pakistan. Remember that?

• 1:07:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  Wait, what, wait, what do you mean?

• 1:07:16Speaker 07

  Yeah. So I was at my grandma's house, whose house was like super haunted. It was on a burial site. And it was me, my cousins, my aunt who's deaf. And all of a sudden, uh, these like steak knives like just flew like across the room and stabbed my, uh, my aunt's shirt through the couch.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:07:41Speaker 07

  And we're all just like, it was my aunt and us. And we're just like screaming, like screaming for help and nobody was there. And so my aunt had to like take the knife out and just grab all the kids and run out of the house.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  Or just the shirt?

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  No, just the shirt.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:07:57Mark Gagnon?

  That was your uncle trying to get a dope.

• 1:08:03Speaker 06

  Going to a witch doctor, if you've got problems, your husband's cheating on you or something, it's like part of a way of life in some parts of Nigeria. You go, they'll do a little sacrifice, they'll kill the chicken, they'll give you something, they'll be like, go put it under your, under your doormat.

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  And then your husband will just stop cheating?

• 1:08:20Speaker 06

  If there's one, trust me, bro, that you should take as, as a fact, this is it.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:24Speaker 06

  Like, this is it.

• 1:08:25Speaker 03

  Have you ever used a witch doctor?

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Hell no. Nah, we don't like, we grew up in a Christian household, so we stayed away from that, but, you know, we call them Babalawa. I think in South Africa, they call them Sangoma. So everyone, or different tribes in Africa have different names for them, but. Before Christianity, before that, these guys were, and it's not, because you know, the Western world would say this is bad, this is juju, this is that, but then. It was African spirituality before, and Christianity or whatever came through, even. Yeah, yeah, white people. But still, we, um, yeah, people tap into it, but I just stay away from it. And I do it in my own way with certain things. So look, when you, the spectrum of light is so different.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Like when, even when I'm on shrooms, the way I feel, the way I see things, the way I perceive the world, I know there's more. There's way more. The way, I've seen, my cat, rest in peace, Nderu, I used to see her at nighttime, I'm like, what is she chasing? I'm watching TV, I would just see her like, da, da, da, da, da, da, and just.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  And I'm like, what is she actually chasing? Because they can see far more than us in the spectrum of light. So it'd be egotistical of us to think like, we know as humans, we know what the fucking realm is like. Anyway, that's my.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  You see those cats that go and sit on the hospital bed when someone's dying?

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  There's been, yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  Like they can smell something and there's, like, have you heard this?

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  Mark always tries to make us like cats.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  No, this is how, why you shouldn't like them, bro. They're going on the bed and shit. They might be killing the people.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Nah, there was one, I think it was in England, at a, at a retirement home, don't quote me on this, but then whenever the cat spends time with someone who never. Spends time with anyone and then, oh, he about to die. And it became a thing and they put on the news and whatnot. It's on YouTube somewhere.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it turns out all those people were allergic to cats.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  He's quick with it, bro. He's on.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  Which is crazy, right?

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  It's like dad jokes now, man.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Wait, y'all bury your dead? You don't cremate?

• 1:10:16Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  That's weird. Y'all wild white, but that shit, that's.

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  Nah, the Ganges is haunted, bro. The Ganges is haunted as fuck. You gotta be careful with that.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  I've been there, dude.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  That's the big river in India.

• 1:10:27Speaker 00

  Oh, I see, I see, yeah.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, they do.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  Pour it out for the dead.

• 1:10:32Speaker 07

  Shit water.

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  Talking about your great grandnie.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  It's fucked up when Volis says it. Because there's a war.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  My grandmother's ashes in there. Can you imagine if I went to nine eleven and started shitting on your ancestors? Went to the World Trade Center and started going to your people?

• 1:10:49Speaker 07

  You're talking to me or a dub?

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  That was good.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  Bro, you ever heard of the serpent in the rainbow, this book?

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  This is a book, ugh, this is great, by this guy Wade Davis, alright?

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  Serpent in the Rainbow.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  He went to, he went to Haiti, I E T. He's a Harvard psychologist.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  He hears a story about this guy.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Let's go, Mark, dude. Let's go, Professor Gagnon.

• 1:11:12Speaker 00

  Someone give me a zen or a call.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  Glad Mark cooked, dude, bro.

• 1:11:16Speaker 00

  You got a zen? You got a zen?

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't. I'm off it, I'm off it.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  I still, you know that one I took back, allegedly? Still haven't tried it. I probably, it's probably expired now, but I saw Rogan even taking them. I've seen other people take them and ever since you told me, if you wanna feel nauseous and disoriented, take them. So I was like, ah, I don't know about that. But I think maybe I'll try like a small one. I just wanna feel it. Cause I know tobacco is a nootropic, right?

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  Nicotine's a nootropic.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, bet.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  And it's good to small dose. You do too much, then your nervousness is gonna be on fire.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  Okay. Tell us about your gay life.

• 1:11:48Speaker 03

  No, it's not gay. It's not gay. The serpent in the rainbow, it sounds gay, I know that. He's a Harvard psychologist, right? He goes down to Haiti because he hears a story about this guy.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  I catch.

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  Clair, Clairvius Narcis, alright? Haitian dude. That was a zombie for twenty years.

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, of course. Everybody knows about him.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  Basically, this guy claims that he was poisoned by a witch doctor, by a bokaru in Haiti. Gets. Good catch. I didn't even mean to do that. Cat like, ready? Watch out. He finds out that, basically, he gets poisoned by a witch doctor, he gets buried, the witch doctor exhumes his body, takes him to a different part of Haiti that makes him work as like a slave on Datura, like different drugs, for like 20 years. Eventually, he's able to escape after his witch doctor guy dies. And then he goes back to his family and he's like, you know, this is what happened to me. I wasn't able to like escape, he like put a spell on me or some shit. And this psychologist went down there like documented it.

• 1:12:50Speaker 03

  And it was kind of like, yeah, it's possible that some of the drugs, he basically like gave some validity to it, that it's possible that he was using pufferfish. And this specific thing that would basically put someone into a coma for a short period of time. And so he's basically trying to find like scientific validity to this idea. To justify what happened. Haitian zombie, which is like crazy. But, hey, I don't know, the book, I've never read it, but it seems like there's some, there's criticism both ways.

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  Why do we want to believe all this shit?

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  Because it's.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  It's like conspiracies.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Why are we still like. I've seen some shit, that's the thing, I've seen some shit.

• 1:13:25Speaker 00

  No, I'm not questioning if you see or not, I'm saying, why do I want to believe, like, you start the story? I want it to be true.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Same.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Show them that it's more, there's more.

• 1:13:35Speaker 00

  Maybe that's it.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Speaker 00

  Maybe we want to believe.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  You have a god shank hole in your heart.

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  When you told me.

• 1:13:41Speaker 00

  No, but when you told me the shit about the cats.

• 1:13:44Speaker 03

  I need to accept Jesus.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  I have accepted Jesus.

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  You're feeling empty, huh?

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  That's why you have so many.

• 1:13:54Speaker 00

  No, there's a, but like I even see like my dog hanging around my child, right? And I'm like, well, they have a protective instinct and she just knows or whatever. Or maybe it's because the people that give her the food are around the child. You know what I mean? But like, I want to believe this dog sees something pure in this kid. And then, then my, my, my baby tried to like take a toy my dog was playing with and I just saw my dog go.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  Oh, nah.

• 1:14:18Speaker 00

  And I was like, oh, they ain't shit. These dogs ain't shit at all.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  Do you reprimand them straight away?

• 1:14:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to.

• 1:14:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just reprimanded by throwing the thing continuously for it.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Don't reward him.

• 1:14:32Speaker 00

  No, no, no, you're right. I have to make sure that that behavior is not tolerant.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  Letting out the babies.

• 1:14:36Speaker 00

  Is above them, yeah. That's a good point.

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Cause that's how kids get.

• 1:14:40Speaker 00

  But why are we so compelled to want to believe in? Is it the supernatural?

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  I think there's so much we don't know. Having some explanation for some supernatural phenomenon is like, okay, there are things that are beyond our comprehension that are happening out there.

• 1:14:53Speaker 00

  Oh, that's interesting. So it it justifies all the things that we can't explain. Yeah. So so believing in these little things can justify the greater things that we don't understand.

• 1:15:03Speaker 03

  Okay. The inability to explain things is anxiety inducing. It's like, oh, I say something that can jinx something, but if I knock on wood, I have some control over my, you know, my future destiny. Yeah. Like those types of like superstitions.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  And I'm surprised you actually have seen it and you haven't looked into it more. Nah, I don't want to. I've never fucked with a Ouija board, nothing like that, because I just know as Nigerians, this is why on these movies, there's always white kids, because they're, oh, yeah, let's go talk to the fucking. You don't see no black kids fuck with that, because I know it's it's real. And then it can it can enter you. You know, it can like become a thing. So I'm just like, nah, I'm good. So, yeah.

• 1:15:42Mark Gagnon?

  Well, you need to holler at some of the witch doctors for your opponents in the future.

• 1:15:46Speaker 00

  Throw some shit in the locker room.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  I'd rather do it myself. I'd rather do it myself. That's the thing. Skills, skills.

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  Gotta get the edge on them.

• 1:15:53Speaker 01

  So that's, bro, even in Nigeria, they do it with football. They put something at someone's goalpost just to try and like.

• 1:15:59Speaker 03

  Did you remember that in the World Cup?

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Nah. Was it a thing?

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  There was a whole thing in the World Cup. This is like 2012. Like Nigeria was like winning games. They got like a call and there was like a crow that was on the goalpost or some shit like it got spun.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  There's always something.

• 1:16:11Speaker 00

  Do that shit.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  They will try.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  Nah, but nothing's free, bro. Nothing's free.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:15Speaker 03

  You can't ask for dark favors without taking on a debt.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  Oh, if they do it.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 1:16:20Speaker 00

  You can't ask for dark favors without taking on a debt.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  Nothing's for free. I like that.

• 1:16:30Mark Gagnon?

  What movie you got that from?

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  Nah, everything needs a sacrifice. Christians, we have the one sacrifice.

• 1:16:35Speaker 00

  How convenient, huh?

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Speaker 00

  How convenient.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Cause he died for the sins.

• 1:16:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yo, but shout out Jesus, bro. I don't think Jesus gets enough credit.

• 1:16:45Speaker 00

  Don't you think he doesn't?

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  None in the moment, but again, I claim back the word God.

• 1:16:51Speaker 00

  One day?

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  No, no, I keep saying it now because at first it felt so triggering and I'd be like, the universe, but my God is the one, no matter what that forces, it's what we all tap into.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  Call the universe, this is just a euphemism for God.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, like even my boy, Sha Ike, when we were in Abu Dhabi recently, you know, I went to the mosque with him. I put the whole thing on and then I went to pray at the mosque with him and he was really touched. He's like, man, none of my friends have ever come to the mosque to pray with me, but I was like, of course I'm gonna tap in. It's a place and I just went there, followed what he was doing, but I was just meditating. I didn't really know the Quran or speak the, you know, Arabic or whatever, but it's just my way of tapping in with cultures. No matter what, you still feel the same energy. We're all still trying to connect to the same oneness. If I ever go to a Hindi temple, I do the same thing.

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  We did that, remember? We hit the track?

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, in Singapore, yeah.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Where?

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  In Singapore, the Hindu temple.

• 1:17:43Speaker 00

  The track, you just run circles around it.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  You walk mad laps.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:47Speaker 00

  It just get you dizzy.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:17:49Speaker 00

  And then you walk out and they're like, oh, that was spiritual.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  The Indian 500.

• 1:17:59Speaker 00

  Mark gotta take two weeks off the pod every single week.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  That joke's the Lord.

• 1:18:07Speaker 00

  No, no, we went and we did it and it was cool. They were moving, they were moving.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love the mustard too.

• 1:18:13Speaker 00

  But do you always, is that part of the culture? Is it you go around every single time? Like when you would go to temple as a kid?

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  Usually there's like certain, like a Ganesh statue, whatever, and you'll do the circle around the Ganesh. Odd number of times, one, three, five, seven, whatever.

• 1:18:25Speaker 00

  Even at your wedding, I know it was the sick wedding, but there was also doing the circle.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did, I think five.

• 1:18:31Speaker 00

  Seven, no?

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, seven, maybe.

• 1:18:32Speaker 00

  We did five, you guys had to do two extras or something like that?

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, fair enough. I don't even remember to be honest with you. I know a Hindu ceremony is seven. I know my shit.

• 1:18:40Speaker 00

  That's all you need now. And then remember when y'all tried to feed us mud?

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  The best.

• 1:18:45Speaker 00

  I remember that. They tried to feed us mud. And they thought that we wouldn't know it was mud, but we ate it. We did eat it.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  It tasted good.

• 1:18:51Speaker 00

  It was delicious.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  It was delicious.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  I think by that dude's toenail to this day. Specifically, his toenail. The guy that was scooping, the scooper.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. He leaves a knife to...

• 1:19:01Speaker 00

  I don't know how they used it.

• 1:19:03Speaker 03

  The dude that was scooping, he had a toenail, and there's nothing against him. We all, some dove his toenail, but he had a toenail specifically, if shoes off and then also scooping. And I've just never forgotten the toenail.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  With the foot or?

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  No, he wasn't scooping with his foot.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  He had a long toenail.

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  It just, you saw it.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I see, so it just grossed you out.

• 1:19:21Speaker 03

  He was feeding you, but he also had a barnacle.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  And you're like, ugh.

• 1:19:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  I went back for seconds, by the way.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  I had multiple, I had multiple. Shout out to that, what would you call it, temple?

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  Gudwara.

• 1:19:30Speaker 00

  Gudwara. Shout out to that gudwara, they had the best, what do you call it?

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  Prashad.

• 1:19:35Speaker 00

  What is it?

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Prashad.

• 1:19:36Speaker 00

  They got the best prashad in Jersey.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:38Speaker 00

  So if y'all want to fire prashad, you gotta pull up to that gudwara. That shit was, you remember that?

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:46Speaker 00

  That shit hit the hand and I was like, mm.

• 1:19:50Speaker 00

  Boom, I ate it. And then after eating it, I didn't even know if we were supposed to.

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:54Speaker 00

  Like, cause I was so hungry, we were, I was starving, dude.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:58Speaker 00

  And I ate that shit and I was like, ooh, they on to this mud shit.

• 1:20:03Speaker 00

  We gotta look at mud different. I didn't feel that way. That shit was delicious. And I said, yo, run that back toe.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  You did a lot.

• 1:20:12Speaker 00

  I said, toenail, run that back.

• 1:20:15Speaker 03

  You weren't supposed to eat it, I don't think.

• 1:20:16Speaker 00

  I don't, what?

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  You turned into a sculpture.

• 1:20:20Speaker 03

  You're supposed to paint it, make something. But you know Gani used to read the New Testament? I read that today, apparently read the New Testament all the time.

• 1:20:25Speaker 00

  Of course he did, all the boys do.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  King James Version.

• 1:20:28Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 1:20:29Speaker 00

  Everybody does.

• 1:20:30Speaker 03

  Someone said, why wouldn't you become a Christian? And he said, if I ever met a true one, then I would.

• 1:20:35Speaker 00

  Which I was like, yo, this guy.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  Gandhi had bars.

• 1:20:39Speaker 00

  Gandhi had bars.

• 1:20:39Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:20:40Speaker 00

  I love your Christ, it's your Christians have a problem with.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Speaker 00

  I was like, anybody be saying that?

• 1:20:44Speaker 03

  Gandhi has a bar.

• 1:20:45Speaker 00

  So what? Same.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, but that's you. You, you who they talking about?

• 1:20:48Speaker 00

  Me?

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. You who they talking about?

• 1:20:51Speaker 00

  I'm modern orthodox.

• 1:20:52Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  Gandhi made you can go back to violence.

• 1:20:55Speaker 00

  I made a new one. I made a new one. No, no, no, you're right. But listen, we have to aspire to be the only perfect one is Jesus. Go meet him then.

• 1:21:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  Pull up.

• 1:21:03Speaker 00

  He probably did already.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  What'd you grow up, Andrew? As Christian?

• 1:21:07Speaker 00

  Nah, we weren't religious. My parents weren't religious.

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  He's still not, to be honest.

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  Yo, I, so what?

• 1:21:14Speaker 00

  So it's so funny, like everybody, like now that everybody hates Jews on the internet, they hate me for being Jewish. Before that, they do.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  Well, you're not Jewish.

• 1:21:21Speaker 00

  I know, but they think I am.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Ah, the name.

• 1:21:24Speaker 00

  But like, like.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  Which is really a sign of success, if you think about it.

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:27Speaker 00

  Well, that is also, yeah. Well, I was gonna say like, people just hate you and then attach whatever. This is what it's like. This is the quick, the best example I can have for it is like, whoever cuts you over, cuts you over, cuts you off in like a car.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:39Speaker 00

  It's just the first thing that you think you know about them.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  You attach to your anger.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  And they're like, oh.

• 1:21:44Speaker 00

  If it's a woman, you bitch can't fucking drive, whatever. And so they just think that I'm Jewish.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:50Speaker 00

  And I just be letting them.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  They don't even care to check. They're just like, yeah, it must be, and just, ah, on you.

• 1:21:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. But you're not throwing them off the trail, though.

• 1:21:57Speaker 00

  You're right, dude.

• 1:22:00Speaker 00

  I gotta let them think, bro. And then when they see me in heaven, they're like, what are you doing?

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  Someone's got some forgiving to do. Someone's got some forgiving. Why'd your mom name you Israel? Was that a?

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  Nah, so, actually, I was gonna mention this while you were talking about naming your baby. So in Nigerian or Yoruba culture, when you have a baby,

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  you meet the baby for about a week first. So you're in the house with the baby for about a week, get to know the baby a bit. And then.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  Indians do that.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  And you have a naming ceremony, right?

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, naming ceremony. Oh, no way, you went to one? Yeah, so we don't do baby showers. That's a new thing now in Nigeria, but we used to have, we still have naming ceremonies. And then, like I say, people from my mom's side and my dad's side, important people, like my mom and dad's parents gave me. A different name. My dad's parents gave me a different name. My mom's big sister or favorite, you know, sister or something. So Israel was the name from the past or from God that was ordained by me. So then Mobology was a second name that my parents, they gave me that name.

• 1:22:57Speaker 00

  Mobology.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Mobology.

• 1:22:59Speaker 00

  Mobology. That's fire.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it means born with wealth, born with riches. So each of my names have meanings.

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  Mobology. Do you still have that?

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  That's what Israel means, actually.

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  I don't like the people of God.

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  Mobology. Mobology.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  Israel, Mobology, Temitayo, Odunayo, Olua Femi, Olabi, Adesonya. So that's all my names. But then again, as a pastor's doing all the religious leaders doing it.

• 1:23:26Speaker 00

  What poor girl got it when you're saying my name?

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  As a religious leaders doing it, and then they have like, um, sugar, salt, water, honey, and then we dip the finger in the water, say, this is the essence of life. And you'll have a proverb about it. And then, I don't know, like some type of shit like that. But then, yeah, I think it's beautiful. I think it's, it's a cool thing to do. They have like the throwing of money too? That's normal. We do. Bro, we went to church. I just came back from Nigeria. Man. This is why, this is why I love.

• 1:24:12Speaker 00

  People making it rain.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Jesus up there in his underwear.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  We're back in Nigeria at church and then the offerings, we did the tithing and whatnot. But then we, um, went back from my dad being ordained as a minister in this church. And then, yeah, to celebrate, we just, and that's more money for Jesus, you know? So, and it just looks cool. Cause you know, naira and dollars don't compare. So when you take, you know, five hundred dollars over there, it's like. You let it rip. Let's get the staff. And it's cool, man. Even in the clubs, we were at the club there and the vibe was so cool, man. Saxophonist playing as they're playing real like, you know, hip hop, R and B music in the club and the drummers and then you're just there like this, this, this. And then, man, I just, I like that about our culture. We're not scared to flex. Like Nigerians in Africa, we're the biggest flexers.

• 1:25:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:00Speaker 01

  We taught all Africans or everyone else how to flex, you know? Washing your hands with champagne, that shit. We started that. Yeah. I didn't even know.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  You just say washing your hands.

• 1:25:19Speaker 00

  You have seen that one, where the African dude's flexing in the water?

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, where the we have. Yeah, what's up, bitch?

• 1:25:27Speaker 06

  No, but the name Israel means like, uh, it was given to Jacob.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  I wanna hear it. Tell me.

• 1:25:33Speaker 06

  I wanna know what his name means.

• 1:25:36Speaker 00

  I'm joking, I'm joking.

• 1:25:38Speaker 06

  Jacob was named Israel. It's one who struggles with God. So it's like that, uh, entangled with an angel or something.

• 1:25:44Speaker 00

  Jacob wrestled God.

• 1:25:45Speaker 06

  Wrestled God, came out strong, and that was the name given to him.

• 1:25:50Speaker 00

  Which is crazy, right?

• 1:25:51Speaker 06

  It's like there's a connection between the divine and the human, and then he came out strong.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  I forgot about that Bible story. When he said it now, I'm like, boom.

• 1:25:59Speaker 00

  Us Christians wrestle with God every single day.

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  The funniest Jew story that y'all got in the Torah?

• 1:26:09Speaker 00

  I like when he pointed him and said, "That was fire, dude."

• 1:26:12Speaker 07

  Let him know! Let him know!

• 1:26:16Speaker 07

  Yes! Let him know who the boys are!

• 1:26:19Speaker 03

  Gimme garlic. No, the funniest Jew story is when, uh, Abraham, and God's about to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, and then he tells Abraham, "Y'all, I'm gonna destroy Sodom and Gomorrah."

• 1:26:28Speaker 00

  And then they tried to make a deal.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  Exactly, bro. Abraham's nephew was living in, in Sodom, and they were like...

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Let me buy up that land.

• 1:26:35Speaker 07

  What if I give you all the girls in town? What if I give you my daughters?

• 1:26:40Speaker 03

  God, God goes, "If there's, if there's fifty righteous people, I won't destroy it." And Abraham's like, "All right, bet." And then he's like, "Oh, fuck, there's not fifty." So then he goes, "What about, like, forty-five? You won't destroy it." And he was like, "All right, I won't." And he gets them down to ten.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:26:53Speaker 03

  And literally negotiates with God. They are good. And God's like, "Oh, yeah."

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  That's the wrestling. That's how you wrestle.

• 1:27:00Speaker 00

  Jewish wrestling. It's called negotiating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jujitsu.

• 1:27:05Speaker 06

  On him, on him, on him, on him. Yeah. We have t-shirts called Jujitsu.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  New merch.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:11Speaker 00

  The Bar Mitzvah.

• 1:27:14Speaker 00

  Okay, so...

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  The gefilte fist.

• 1:27:17Speaker 00

  I was thinking, I was thinking.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  I don't know what that is.

• 1:27:22Speaker 00

  A sexual move.

• 1:27:23Speaker 06

  It's like some fish that they eat.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  Oh, real?

• 1:27:26Speaker 00

  But gefilte fist is what you said, right? Yeah, yeah. That's what it smells like afterwards.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  Are there any Jewish UFC fighters? There's a couple, right?

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  Uh, must be. I can't think. Think of any right now, but back in the day, a lot of boxers were Jewish. Back in the day, years ago, I think UFC fighters.

• 1:27:43Speaker 00

  They're popular like judo fighters. They do well in the Olympics.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 1:27:48Speaker 06

  I have a question.

• 1:27:49Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:27:50Speaker 06

  Izzy, I know you're a big fan of anime and the video games and all of that. Is when you were a kid, I don't know if you had the same thing. When I was a kid, I watched a lot of Dragon Ball Z and I would just imagine I'm whoever it was at the time.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:03Speaker 06

  You sort of got to grow up and be them. You got to be Goku or Gohan or Trunks or whoever your guy was. Um, if, who was your guy when you were a kid? And also if you were in that world now, if you were in their universe, who would you want to fight the most?

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a good one. Okay, so.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  Good question.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't know where you're going.

• 1:28:23Speaker 00

  I was ready for that to sound. Cause you were sworn to a good fucking question, dude.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  Took a long time to get there, but it didn't end up good.

• 1:28:29Speaker 00

  That was a good Miles.

• 1:28:31Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  So for me, whenever I do fights now, like example, the Ansu Soma fight, I had Rock Lee in my mind. So when I was getting introduced, I took the weights off. Bam. Rottweiler, Death Note. Um, depends. I always have a character I like to embody or a moment. Even when I fought Pereira, the second time I was Jet Li and unleashed, like it doesn't have to be anime, but like a character I relate to. Um, as a kid, Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, Action Man. It was a lot. Like we used to just pretend to fight in the fields as a kid. Um, if I would go back now, Power Rangers was like one of the top at the time.

• 1:29:10Speaker 06

  Which one?

• 1:29:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, which Ranger?

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  Black Ranger.

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  Either him or the Red Ranger. But the Black Ranger, cause it was relatable, but the Red Ranger, he was cool too. Um, but if I was gonna, let me see, damn.

• 1:29:25Speaker 06

  Didn't one of them kill somebody with a sword?

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  Oh, for real?

• 1:29:28Speaker 00

  The, the green.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  Or the yellow?

• 1:29:31Speaker 00

  Was the yellow Asian?

• 1:29:32Speaker 06

  The yellow was Asian.

• 1:29:33Speaker 00

  That's kind of wild, huh?

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, black was black, yellow was Asian.

• 1:29:37Speaker 00

  The white one went to my elementary school. He was the coolest kid ever.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  He's an MMA fighter now, I think. The White Ranger.

• 1:29:43Speaker 06

  He was an MMA fighter.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  He was an MMA fighter.

• 1:29:46Speaker 00

  And then the same guy, he died.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Zack was black, that's what I remember.

• 1:29:49Speaker 00

  He died.

• 1:29:50Speaker 06

  But there was the Green Ranger, I think, killed someone with a sword.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Damn, that's on bar. That's like, what are you supposed to do?

• 1:29:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:58Speaker 00

  Method act, too.

• 1:29:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  Man.

• 1:30:01Speaker 06

  Oh, wow, yeah.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  He did, right?

• 1:30:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, Power Rangers.

• 1:30:04Speaker 03

  I admit to killing roommate with a sword.

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  Oh, I admit to it. Oh, shit.

• 1:30:08Speaker 00

  Wow, crazy.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  He or she?

• 1:30:10Speaker 00

  He had a roommate. That's sad.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  That's the saddest part of the whole thing. Fucking Power Ranger had a roommate, dude. He was in a flex three bedroom.

• 1:30:20Speaker 06

  Crazy Power Rangers stories.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:21Speaker 06

  The first cast of Power Rangers were really popular and they were like, yo, we want more money. Uh, and it was a non-union set. They just fired all of them and brought new kids in.

• 1:30:30Speaker 00

  And nobody gave a fuck.

• 1:30:32Speaker 06

  Yeah. Thing keeps moving.

• 1:30:34Speaker 00

  They thought they were bigger than the brand then. Yo, Mark and Joey had a great comedy show. They put on their comedy show at Mary Lou's.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:41Speaker 00

  Thank you for doing it, buddy.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Of course, of course.

• 1:30:43Speaker 00

  It was very fun. And, uh, it's this spot that is on, uh, was it St. Mark's between second and first?

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:30:50Speaker 00

  And how often are you guys gonna do it?

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  Right now, once a month.

• 1:30:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  And then hopefully more.

• 1:30:54Speaker 00

  We'll see what happens.

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  People come out.

• 1:30:55Speaker 00

  I think it's a great, it's a great, it remind me a little bit, there was this spot Cabin. Do you remind me Cabin?

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:01Speaker 00

  The place is much cooler than Cabin, but the vibe of Cabin was there was like a bar area where people could hang out and chill. And then there was like a room for the show. And, uh, so I think that it could build into something like that. So if you're in the city, man, go check out the show.

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  I thank you for saying that.

• 1:31:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was fun.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  Well, who's doing sets tonight?

• 1:31:17Speaker 00

  Um, I'm, I'm, I don't know if I was gonna, but then.

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  I'm on, baby.

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Last night was fun.

• 1:31:23Speaker 00

  You guys had fun?

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was good. Uh, just, the host was funny. Uh, some of the guys that came up and girls. Yeah, it was a good show. I liked the vibe. Yeah.

• 1:31:30Speaker 00

  I feel like you thought the show was alright last night.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, come on, it could have been.

• 1:31:34Speaker 00

  I, I'm, I'm, I wanted to stay, bro. I was exhausted. I'm a baby, bro.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  I understand.

• 1:31:40Speaker 00

  That baby's up at six every morning, no matter what. They don't care about my show. But, uh, yeah, I wanted you to, I want you to come out. How was Austin, bro? I saw you living it up in Austin. Did you do Kill Tony?

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:31:51Speaker 00

  I thought you were gonna do it, man.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Nah, cause they film on Mondays, but I just wanted to be at the comedy mothership and just see, cause again, and I said this, for me, I, I was a fan of these guys and even us, like, we're friends now, but meeting these guys for the first time, like Hans Kim.

• 1:32:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  Uh, Ari and them.

• 1:32:06Speaker 00

  You've probably watched them so much online. It's a cool moment to see them.

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  This is cool. And again, I know for them, they feel the same way, but I'm a fan. So I'm always a fan.

• 1:32:15Speaker 00

  They're way more excited.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, but I'm, I'm excited.

• 1:32:17Speaker 00

  Way more excited.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  I kept on telling Tony, I was like, I'm so proud of you seeing this apartment. I was like, man, this is fucking cool. I told him probably like seven times.

• 1:32:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  And he, I like the way he just takes pride in himself, just walking around and showing us like, yeah. I dig this shit. Cause he's such a, cause he's so little, but he's such a boss. He's just like, I dig this shit.

• 1:32:36Speaker 00

  It's amazing what they've built that show to be, like Kill Tony.

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 1:32:41Speaker 00

  And they built it, man.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  And he's thoughtful about every aspect of it.

• 1:32:43Speaker 00

  They got it out the mud.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  Cause it was, uh, the one at MSG, I told him though at the end, I didn't like the fact that they rushed the, the second show at the end. I was like, what the, that was my complaint.

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  Yo, Dove can speak on this, Dove can speak.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  But he said, he said it was cause Madison Square Garden had a fine for a hundred K if they went overtime.

• 1:33:00Speaker 00

  It might even be more.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:33:02Speaker 00

  Like you, you gotta get out that venue, bro.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:05Speaker 00

  You gotta get out that venue.

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause they were just like, the next people, they didn't even have the buckets. They were just like, cool, boom. This guy comes up, like all the, the comedians that had it said, they were like, thirty second sets, quiet, cool. Thank you. We gotta keep moving.

• 1:33:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  And I was just like, hmm.

• 1:33:18Speaker 00

  Nah, it's a.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  But that's just me as a Karen.

• 1:33:21Speaker 00

  Because it, now you know what it probably is? There was probably an event the next day and they started loading in that night before.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:33:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause to you, you're selling at MSG, but to the venue, they're like, that's Tuesday.

• 1:33:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, we got other shit.

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, do you guys have like a production trailer whenever you go around the world? Do you have like a, a, what do you call it? Like a set or something that you have to say lighting or that's supplied by the venue?

• 1:33:44Speaker 00

  Crazy shit?

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  Tell me.

• 1:33:46Speaker 00

  We were on this tour for months.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Speaker 00

  And I never really like inquired on how like we got all the lights and shit.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  I'm like, wow, I was about to say.

• 1:33:57Speaker 00

  I was like, I'm like, I knew.

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  You're a fucking mensch.

• 1:33:59Speaker 00

  Every time I would show up, the lights would be there and I'd be like, ah, that's fire.

• 1:34:03Speaker 02

  Like, it is astounding how much Dove does and you have no fucking clue.

• 1:34:06Speaker 00

  Yo, yo, yo, shut up, shut up.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  He was sitting, no, no, he was sitting.

• 1:34:11Speaker 00

  I showed up, I showed up to the fucking venue once. I forget where we were and there was like two eighteen wheel trucks outside.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  So you guys have that?

• 1:34:21Speaker 02

  Fucking friend.

• 1:34:22Speaker 00

  MSG. I showed up, no, no, no. It wasn't MSG, it was somewhere else. It was showed up and I walked out and I was like, damn, who's here tomorrow? Cause I thought it was like Guns N' Roses or something. I was like, who the fuck is performing here? And then I remember Dove and, Dove and Sher were like, this is our stuff. And I go, we got two trucks worth of shit on a big show?

• 1:34:41Speaker 06

  We have, we have four, but it was crazy.

• 1:34:43Speaker 00

  You see how much money they're wasting?

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  No, no, no, he's definitely on it. He's definitely.

• 1:34:49Speaker 06

  No, but he didn't even know until, for, for MSG as an example, like Drake or Travis Scott for an MSG show, that's 25, 35 trucks that are out there.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 1:35:00Speaker 00

  And we're talking about the 18 wheel huh huh trucks.

• 1:35:03Speaker 06

  And he's talking at MSG, everything needs to be unloaded by forklifts. So you've got dozens. They're just all lined up.

• 1:35:11Speaker 00

  It's pretty awesome when you see everybody put it together, but also when they take it apart.

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:16Speaker 00

  Like, and they are.

• 1:35:17Speaker 06

  On the UFC, they've got the timing. A few days ago, from, from Jelly Roll telling you how many trucks he had, and I'm like sitting there saying, what time was your load in to get this all up? And he's like, walk and chalk it 3 o'clock in the morning. And Andrew's like, yeah, what's, what, what time you doing that? I was like, yours was at 6 a.m. He says, I didn't see that. I was like, we saw it. You walk into an empty shell and there's forklifts outside. And it's in, and there's a whistle that blows and then now the rigging crew comes in and now this, and then.

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  So even if you have to go say Abu Dhabi, when you do that, do you have to transfer all your stuff over there?

• 1:35:50Speaker 06

  You get local vendor.

• 1:35:51Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. I see. I see. Okay.

• 1:35:52Speaker 00

  But like, but like, I would say our show is probably has a lot more elements than the average standup show. But totally, I would say that Kill Tony is a production too. So they'll have multiple trucks. Yeah. But I think the average standup show doesn't do it like that. I think a lot of guys just show up and like whatever's here, they do it. And we did that for years, but.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  Y'all have flames.

• 1:36:13Speaker 00

  We just, yeah, we wanted to see what we could do. And also like, there's a part of you that is, there's a part of you selfishly, you want to put on the best show. There's also a part of you that like, at least my relationship with the people who come out to the shows is like, they've built this with me. Like I have like this insane gratitude. I feel so guilty. Like if they'll come to me and they'll ask me like, oh, this thing is fucking to, to put a screen, it's another 10 grand. And it's like, but what if the people can't see? Like those people probably came to five shows like and now they're gonna be at MSG and that's yeah, we have to spend.

• 1:36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, they gotta share.

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  So you feel, you do feel this like immense gratitude. I don't know if, I'd have to ask a comic that like, they were in movies first and then they, they did comedy. I wonder if they feel that same.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Like responsibility like.

• 1:36:59Speaker 00

  I don't know if they do and they might, but I feel like it is, it has to be the best show they've ever seen.

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  Here's a question for you guys, both of you. I remember when I filmed my special, I put this, all this money into it and I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I'm spending all this money on. Then you walk in and you see, I don't know, 50 people, 100 people working on this thing. And then you, I remember thinking to myself, and y'all are doing it on a much larger scale. I remember thinking, oh, all of this is for me. And you feel, I had to block it out pretty quickly because it's like a lot, but you're like, when you walk in MSG, you walk in MSG, you see all these people working 6 a.m. How much pressure do you feel where it's like, oh, all of this is for me? I gotta fucking deliver. Like not just the fans that are coming, these people whose jobs are building this stage for me, putting this screen up for me, building this ring for me. Do you feel that? Because I felt that for a second and I was like, that will swallow me.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  Not really like, exactly. It's not my money, it's Dana's money. So, I don't mind, I'm all right. You know, that's cool. But again, I've heard from behind the scenes, there's only been ever two fighters that, that do, uh, like a ring walk beforehand, like go to the venue the night before. That's me and Jon Jones, the only two that go there and prep and just kind of have a little look see. So when I did the one in Melbourne, where I danced, I told everyone on the mic, please, I know if you're in the working, just don't film, nothing like that, rah rah rah rah. Then I did it, but then I felt like, I'm gonna fucking kill this shit. I just felt like, I just knew, I didn't really feel pressure because I went to bed that night. Watching the rehearsal and just, that's how I fell asleep with my phone in my hand, just like,

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  again, this is gonna fucking, this is gonna fucking blow. So it took my mind off the fight, and I was able to just be like, fuck. And then, yeah, so it wasn't pressure, it was just like, I was just like, I'm gonna fucking kill this shit. That's how I felt.

• 1:38:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't feel the pressure of that, but I do feel the gratitude of it at the end. Like, well, a lot of times go back to the venue and like, maybe we'll be, we'll go to a seat where people are watching. And because it's weird, being a human is weird. You get used to unbelievable shit. Like, I'm sure that's what happens with you. You get used to going in there, like, fighting a guy who's trying to kill you. People get used to war. Like, there's just part of being a human being. We can get used to these, like, wild circumstances. So you can get used to performing in an arena, but you, since you don't do that often, I've been back at MSG since I've performed there, and I, and I'm like, we performed here twice. Like, your fucking brain explodes when you're looking at another place, and that's where the gratitude sets in.

• 1:39:30Speaker 00

  When you see all the people working to, like, remove the floor, you start going, whoa, how fucking lucky am I? But it does, it's not daunting beforehand. Like, there's like one objective.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, the first time I ever felt it, I remember when I was on Wild N Out, and I wasn't even big on Wild N Out. But we go to the premiere party, I bring my friend who's not in the business, and he's like, dog, so many people's livelihoods depends on you doing well on this show. And not me specifically, but in general. And that was the first time it ever occurred to me. And now, again, if I think about it too much, I get overwhelmed, but I'm like, fuck, that's always.

• 1:39:57Speaker 01

  You can't think about it too much. You just have to just accept it for it, like, peek at it, like, understand, okay, this is what it is. And the one you talked about was after I fought, first time in MSG with Brunson, the next night I went to watch the Knicks play, and that's when I was kinda like.

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  What the? I remember you going, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh shit, this, like, this was, I fought there last night, and now it's a fucking, the basketball is a playing.

• 1:40:18Speaker 02

  There's a logo there.

• 1:40:19Speaker 00

  Derek, Derek always says this to us, whenever we're doing an arena, Derek opens the show, Derek posts.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Posting, yeah, I saw him in Austin.

• 1:40:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, and he always says this, he's like, like, if we're doing an arena or something, he goes, you know, it takes two basketball teams to sell this out.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  That's a bar.

• 1:40:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  That's fire.

• 1:40:36Speaker 00

  Like, if the Knicks just show up.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  No one's gonna sell it out. I heard, I mean, I love the Knicks, and I don't really follow basketball, but.

• 1:40:44Speaker 00

  No, we winning it all this year.

• 1:40:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:47Speaker 00

  Shout out Kat, welcome to the city, big purr.

• 1:40:51Mark Gagnon?

  Can we go through a couple of fight videos?

• 1:40:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:53Mark Gagnon?

  And then you just break down kind of what we got going on?

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Ah, that's a great idea.

• 1:40:57Speaker 00

  Street fight video?

• 1:40:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a great idea.

• 1:40:59Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, you have some hits?

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  Street fight companion?

• 1:41:02Speaker 00

  Trying to think.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  That's fire.

• 1:41:03Speaker 00

  What's a good one?

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  That's fire.

• 1:41:06Speaker 00

  Street fights.

• 1:41:07Mark Gagnon?

  What we got?

• 1:41:08Speaker 00

  Okay. Oh, got popped. Nice recovery. The hair helped him.

• 1:41:14Speaker 00

  They called him a nigga too. Nice.

• 1:41:19Speaker 00

  Let's go. I cannot square up. He's gonna put his hair away because his hair's gonna be a hindrance maybe, but he's gonna hide on him.

• 1:41:27Speaker 00

  Other guys go back by the wall.

• 1:41:30Speaker 00

  Square it up.

• 1:41:31Mark Gagnon?

  He's got it, he's got it.

• 1:41:32Speaker 00

  Asian guy calling the white guy a nigga. That's fucking...

• 1:41:34Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, no!

• 1:41:37Speaker 00

  See, I don't support that. No! That's bad. They not taking off his belt. I know they're not doing that.

• 1:41:44Mark Gagnon?

  Damn!

• 1:41:45Speaker 00

  Why they took off his belt? That wasn't even a fight. That was just a guy getting cheap shoted. Why'd they take his belt off?

• 1:41:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:51Speaker 00

  Nobody else focusing on that one. That is crazy.

• 1:41:55Mark Gagnon?

  Lock the doors.

• 1:41:56Speaker 00

  Yo, they cut the video right after they took his belt off. Fine, no, find a fair one. It's not even a nice belt. Like, street fight video. See, that was... What is going on? Yeah, who knows what happened after. I'm glad it cut off. Mark, that made me feel uncomfortable that you brought that up.

• 1:42:10Mark Gagnon?

  Boy, I didn't know what it was, bro. I didn't know.

• 1:42:12Speaker 00

  Next one, that's a better one. Oh, nice. I like this one. Leg kick. Oh, I've seen this one. Yeah, cool. Establish range. Not swinging. Oh, took the shoes off. Shoes are on. Oh! Put the shoes back on. Asian guy's on.

• 1:42:26Mark Gagnon?

  Son, Asian guy got a nice right.

• 1:42:27Speaker 00

  Boom, nice!

• 1:42:28Mark Gagnon?

  Oh!

• 1:42:28Speaker 00

  He got a nice right. You know, the other guy shouldn't have just kept on walking in. He did the same thing. Oh, that's nice of him, though. Put him down and then try and help him back up.

• 1:42:37Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, that's disrespect.

• 1:42:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:39Mark Gagnon?

  Don't knock me out and then get back.

• 1:42:40Speaker 00

  Try and help him. Nah, I think... Don't do that. White guy, his problem was he was just rushing back in after getting clipped and like, cool, let's do it again. That's ego. You have to just pull back and reassess and do something different.

• 1:42:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  Spit at him.

• 1:42:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, do that. Spit in his eyes. Ah! And then you do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was that guy who would prank the dudes? He'd talk shit then get naked? Oh, you see that?

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  That's so good.

• 1:43:06Speaker 00

  But again, that's the way to do it though. Bro, have you really? Have you seen that Keon Peele sketch, man? Where it's Mike Tyson and he's a Jordan Peele is Mike Tyson. And he's going up against another boxer, I think he's but and he starts saying what he's gonna do. This boxer's like, I'm gonna beat him up.

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, the fight promo thing.

• 1:43:25Speaker 00

  The fight promo and then Mike Tyson goes, I'm gonna fuck you in the ass. And then he keeps on going.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  Eagle kept saying that was Drake and Kendrick. And Drake was the guy that was like, kind of being playful with it. Kendrick is the guy that was like, I'm gonna take his soul from his body.

• 1:43:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna fuck you ass and I'm gonna kiss you and then we're gonna date. And I'm gonna tell you certain things about you that I'm not comfortable sharing, but I'm gonna share anyway. Bro, that shit was diabolical. This is gonna be, oh, yo. So this video, this video has everything, I think. First of all.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  Okay, I see you.

• 1:43:56Speaker 00

  You're gonna Brazilian in there, see dumb looking, I like it.

• 1:44:00Speaker 00

  I see you. All right, you ready?

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  Go.

• 1:44:02Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  This Austin has gotta be Austin.

• 1:44:04Speaker 00

  This is Austin, Texas, for sure. Sixth Street. A 5v1, 5v1. Oh, no way. Oh, for real. 5v1. Nah, that's dumb. I don't like street fights, eh? Yeah, it gives me anxiety. Yeah, I just think it's not worth it. And my ego's in check. See all this? Cause you can get cheap shot from the back. Like this guy about to get cheap shot at the guy in the black.

• 1:44:27Speaker 00

  Oh, he just didn't, again, lost focus. Took his eyes off the target. 5v1, boom, everyone slinging. That's dumb. Run. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, Austin will be wild. Oh, he's just swinging. He got, he dropped two so far. He dropped two. So I have to keep moving. I like what he's doing. Keep moving and keep hitting. Never stay in one place. He's moving and hitting. I'm clapping.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  That's what's up.

• 1:44:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. Cause he won. Oh, that's it?

• 1:44:58Speaker 07

  Mark, find the video of the skater fighting with the-

• 1:45:01Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a classic. Yeah.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  This video ended rollerblading.

• 1:45:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:09Speaker 03

  Wait, skater fights seventeen dudes?

• 1:45:11Speaker 00

  Five guys, yeah.

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  Skateboarder fights four skaters, I think.

• 1:45:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was a good one again. Good strategy, right there. This is like an iconic- Classic. Yeah, it's original. Takes his shirt off. This guy's a legend. Yeah, man. Mike Valle, yeah. I think I've seen him talk about it as well. They called him a skater ****. Yeah. Again, I like that.

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:45:31Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, true. No, it was written right there. I'm just quoting. Oh, that's it. Boom. Again, strike hard, strike first. In a situation like this, you can't wait for them to, I'm gonna be the right one, let them hit me first.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  Ain't that Karate Kid, strike hard, strike first?

• 1:45:46Speaker 00

  They was right. Oh. Oh, oh, oh. Take down. And you going down, my boy. Boom, boom, boom. Turn around straight away. I like it. Oh, he been in some tussles before. Yeah.

• 1:45:54Speaker 03

  Mike Valle is like a street kid.

• 1:45:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  What's his name?

• 1:45:58Speaker 03

  Mike Valle.

• 1:45:59Speaker 00

  I like that market.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  We gotta just look it up, bro. Yeah, appreciate it.

• 1:46:04Speaker 03

  Wow. I mean, this is, there's a whole YouTube page with millions of views.

• 1:46:08Speaker 00

  I like that with Street Fight Companion.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, Big Cat loves this page.

• 1:46:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, but David, uh, Street Fight, uh, he's the, he's the producer of Street, Freestyle Bandit, so he kind of lets us know if it's kosher, if you will, on brand. Street Fight Companion.

• 1:46:23Speaker 03

  Would you do any, um, like commentating?

• 1:46:26Speaker 00

  Not now. Like even the breakdowns that I do, I give really basic insights into things. I don't try and give the sauce. Yeah. I don't want people to know how I think. I did a little bit for, during COVID, when I did the breakdowns early on of my old fights. Yeah. And they usually was kind of like, stop that shit. You giving away the juice, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:45Speaker 03

  But like, let's say one day in the future, twenty years from now, something like that, would that be something?

• 1:46:49Speaker 00

  That'd be fun. That'd be fun.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  You and Volk dude together, just commentating after you both retire would be so good.

• 1:46:55Speaker 00

  I mean, I do some for the UFC, just for fun, for the lols, but uh.

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  So you know how the NFL, I don't know if you watch NFL football, but they do a Manning cast on Monday nights where both Manning brothers. They have the regular commentary, but you can also go to ESPN two or whatever.

• 1:47:07Speaker 00

  Payne and Eli Manning.

• 1:47:10Speaker 02

  Just talking during a game.

• 1:47:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  You and Volk doing that, you, you, Volk and Hook are doing that could be just so good.

• 1:47:16Speaker 00

  Just viewing and just kind of like what we're gonna do tonight, just watch party type shit. It's also fun because, and like, that's why I think having a guy like DC in there is so valuable. It's like a guy who. Michael Bisping. Bisping. Fighter, former champions. Like having people who have been in there and they may or may not know what the fighter is feeling. Sometimes they be saying some shit and I'm like. No, they get it wrong. Yeah, no, not even that. It's like their, their emotions. Get the best of them. Yeah, and like I'm like, be neutral. You can see it. Oh, really? Yeah, you can see it. But again, that's why you have professionals like John Anik and Rogan as well, who can just try and be, even if Rogan is a friend with someone or John Anik, they can kind of like separate themselves. But fighters, we are emotional beings. So we sometimes like Michael Bisping, shout out to him because

• 1:47:58Speaker 00

  one time in Vegas, uh, my second or first year in the UFC, no, first year in the UFC, after I fought Brad Tavares. Yeah. He comes, I'm at a pool party, I'm shirtless, and then he comes up, sees me, gets on the fucking bar. There's the fucking guy, takes his shirt off and all this, but then we have a real D N M and he tells me like, you know, I probably, probably said a lot of things about you out of jealousy. Oh, that was cool. I appreciated that. And then he gave me some game and then at the end of the night he goes, check this. He shows his eye. I'm drunk, he's drunk and I'm like, what the fuck? He's like, hold it. And then he's telling me, like, yo, this, this is the sacrifice you have to make. So I'm like, you have to be careful who you fight, this and that, make sure you get

• 1:48:38Speaker 00

  in here, do your thing, get your money and get out, cause this and this and that. And I'm like, cool. He's like, yeah, careful, careful, cool. Give it back to him.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  And then that was it. So again, that's one of those moments.

• 1:48:49Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 1:48:50Speaker 01

  I don't know if we took that. I took a photo with Jorge that night, but I don't think I took a photo with Bisping. But that was a moment for about forty minutes. We hung out, drank, and then we had that moment where we just talked for about

• 1:49:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  twenty minutes after and just like, oh shit, and he put his eye on my hand to let me know this is some real shit. This is what could happen to you if you don't, you know, play the game right. So, yeah, I appreciate those moments. Even with GSP, he always pops in into my life, kind of like Avatar Roku in a way.

• 1:49:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:49:18Speaker 01

  He'll just pop into my life like in Austin, he was, he just showed up and again, dropping wisdom, boom, boom. And I'm like, yes, I need this. Thank you, master.

• 1:49:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, it's, yeah. Like having those people who've had that experience, like going from nowhere to the top.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:49:36Speaker 00

  And you're now one of these people. It's interesting because like the behavior of most, I'm not saying this is you, but the behavior of most when like they're at the bottom and nobody notices them, there's like a freedom to that because you say wild shit about the people at the top because they're these mythical figures. They're not real. You've never met them. They're, so they don't have families, they don't have emotions or whatever. And like, I've even noticed that like in our businesses, like you start to get a little bit higher and then you start meeting these people. And then you realize everything you say on a podcast, everybody hears about it.

• 1:50:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:08Speaker 00

  Like Kamala watched us do the, the rants of the roast, one hundred percent, or at least someone on her, like, you know, and you start going, oh, wow, like these people are, these people are human beings. And then you start going like, you gotta really believe what you say or really believe in the jokes of it. We're at a point now where like everybody hears.

• 1:50:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:27Speaker 00

  And it's something you think about like when you start meeting them and you meet a lot of people that you think might suck, that end up not sucking.

• 1:50:33Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:50:34Speaker 00

  And they end up being kind of like good people who are a little bit misunderstood, or they really want to be famous. So maybe they do something that, once you meet them, you're like, oh, you don't even really believe that, but you wanted to have success for whatever reason. You start to have like a lot more empathy for them.

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  You humanize them.

• 1:50:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, a hundred percent. And, uh, yeah, that's just like. It is just a wild experience.

• 1:50:54Speaker 03

  Speaking of which, you trained with Zuck, right?

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  Zuck? Yeah, that was fun.

• 1:50:57Speaker 00

  Like, Zuck to me is not like a human being, so I can say whatever I want about him. And then you meet him, he's a fucking, he is a human being.

• 1:51:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:04Speaker 00

  He's got a wife and some kids.

• 1:51:05Speaker 01

  Bro, I love his setup. Again, I love who he is as a person. And when I went to spar him, I let him know. I was like, okay, because he invited us to his house.

• 1:51:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:17Speaker 01

  And what a privilege.

• 1:51:18Speaker 03

  The house with the bunker?

• 1:51:19Speaker 00

  No, not the one where you went.

• 1:51:21Speaker 01

  We were in Tahoe. And again, he's got a great setup. I love his setup. It's similar to what I have in mind for myself. But, yeah. And then when we went to the gym to train and it was time to spar, I was like, right, too close, pop. Cool, okay. You're too close, pop. And then he was, he was learning. He was learning on the fly. And then he'd throw a leg kick. And again, hard leg kick, but I can take it. And then we were just going at it. But I didn't try to hurt him. I was just letting him know, like, if you really want to be about this, you have to be about this. And I respect the guy. He's game, bro. He is game. Like, he, his technique's a lot better now. He had ACL surgery, I think, so he's getting better. But, um, he's just passionate about the game. This is, you wouldn't expect from a guy like that who's accomplished. And this is the guy that fucking owns Facebook and Instagram and, you know.

• 1:52:06Speaker 01

  So for me, just to hang out with him and, again, humanize him. At the end, I was like, when I was like, man, you're a lot cooler than I expected. I fucking, I appreciate it just hanging out with him.

• 1:52:16Speaker 00

  I feel like his rebrand has gone really well.

• 1:52:17Speaker 02

  Insane.

• 1:52:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Speaker 00

  There was an idea of him, and now that idea has changed completely.

• 1:52:23Speaker 01

  But that's because it was through either the movie and people just, their own perception, till he decides to start being more active on social media and let people know who he is.

• 1:52:31Speaker 00

  People only know what you share.

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:32Speaker 00

  And if you share a certain thing that people tend to judge, like, there is a little reflection on that where you go, oh, wait a minute.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:38Speaker 00

  Maybe I'm partially responsible for this.

• 1:52:40Speaker 01

  But nah, most people don't think that unless collectively it happens. It's individuals, they don't. Then they follow the crowd and like, oh, I guess he's cool now. I'm gonna jump on the trend.

• 1:52:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  So, yeah. Uh, but he's a cool dude. I always have respect for that guy. You never met him?

• 1:52:53Speaker 00

  I've never met him.

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  Nah, you and him get along. He's, he's like, at first when you meet him, he's a little awkward. Not standoffish, just awkward, but then... Once you get to know him, he's cool that he's just, just a regular dude.

• 1:53:04Speaker 02

  You think some of it is getting humbled through, like, fighting, essentially? I would imagine that.

• 1:53:10Speaker 01

  Maybe training would be, training, because definitely every day you get humbled. Every day. There's no fake humility in fighting. It's not this like, oh, I wanna act like I'm not. You get your ass kicked, you know you suck, and you get bitter, and then you do it to someone else, and then you suck again. So, yeah, I think so. I think definitely fighting would have helped him, because, and again, like, for someone to actually wanna do that, crazy, and I respect that. Someone who actually wants to get in there professionally, even if it's against Elon or whoever else, but he still will fight. I don't think Elon would fight him, but I think he will, he'll definitely fight.

• 1:53:41Speaker 00

  I think it's a good exercise, though, for powerful people.

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:45Speaker 00

  Because when you're as powerful as he is, right, and we're not talking about just like regular power, like, every country, if he wants to call up a prime minister, he can.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  Boom, easy.

• 1:53:54Speaker 00

  Because think about the influence that Facebook has in that country.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  Worldwide.

• 1:53:59Speaker 00

  Like, I mean, I imagine like a part of Elon buying Twitter.

• 1:54:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:02Speaker 00

  Is his ability to access every single leader in the world. Hey, I own this platform that really.

• 1:54:09Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:54:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, was that it? Was that it? Okay, yeah, so it was like, I didn't know if it was an off-camera thing, or?

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  No, he's on camera.

• 1:54:14Speaker 00

  Okay, so, okay, so, but the, so Mark Cuban was on, and he was saying that, like, what an influence you have on the world, so. So Zuckerberg has it, and, uh, once you have that kind of power, people are, they might not be real with you.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:28Speaker 00

  And.

• 1:54:28Speaker 01

  You're not a real person to them.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  And he's getting intoxicated by that.

• 1:54:31Speaker 00

  Of course, so like, once you start doing something that is humbling, it could be a sport, it could be playing basketball, and just getting fucking dunked on, but fighting is probably the ultimate humbling, because you have to realize in that moment while you're being choked out.

• 1:54:41Speaker 01

  Suck.

• 1:54:41Speaker 00

  This person is choosing to not kill me.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:43Speaker 02

  All the money in the world can't save you from death.

• 1:54:45Speaker 00

  Nothing can stop that. And, uh, maybe he's, I mean, he's clearly a smart guy, but maybe he's smart enough to realize that, like, his psyche needs that.

• 1:54:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:52Speaker 00

  His psyche needs to be reminded, you're just a dude.

• 1:54:56Speaker 01

  I think men are starting to understand, like, it's not just about, it's brain and bronze, and you can be the richest, this and that, but then that, we talk about that power dynamic. That's why all this fucking Wall Street guys go pay hookers to, like, lash them and shit on their chest or whatever.

• 1:55:09Speaker 00

  There's this thing called, uh, uh, white-collar boxing. In New York, where they all, there would be these like.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  We have that in New Zealand. Uh, yeah, like all these guys, not Wall Street, but like businessmen, they do the charity boxing thing. So they train for maybe eight, nine weeks and then.

• 1:55:22Speaker 00

  And then they do their smokers and we call them smokers here, like a non sanctioned like amateur fight, but like, I think a part of it is like, hey, I need. One to get out the energy, but also there's like a nice humbling.

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  They need it.

• 1:55:34Speaker 00

  You need it to like learn and. Fight Club.

• 1:55:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, Fight Club, yeah.

• 1:55:38Speaker 00

  Hundred percent. No, it's good. It is.

• 1:55:40Speaker 01

  Bring that back.

• 1:55:42Mark Gagnon?

  Did Zuck say he actually wants to compete?

• 1:55:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:44Mark Gagnon?

  Like professionally?

• 1:55:45Speaker 01

  Even without the, cause the Elon fight was like the thing that made it really popular between them two, but even he said.

• 1:55:52Speaker 00

  Not professionally, but like to do, enter a tournament.

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a smoker, but he will fights on that's equally, cause he did the jujitsu comp. And again, shout to him, he did it under a different name till he walked on the mat and the people were like, oh shit, and that was smart. So that way if people don't know, I'm fighting Zuck. So then he did it under a different name, put up on the mat. And those who saw it, saw it and he did well. He won the fight. So, yeah, um, I think he will at that level. Not like again professionally, just someone who can hang with him.

• 1:56:18Speaker 00

  It's very easy to, when you get successful, to stop doing hard things. You have to do hard thing. I always say this to Joe, but it's like doing, he's addicted to making himself uncomfortable. And it's why he's so great is he's not afraid to constantly make himself uncomfortable. And once you get money, it's very easy to be comfortable and you see like the kids of wealthy people, oftentimes they. They shy away from, yeah, but like they shy away from discomfort because they don't ever have to be.

• 1:56:46Speaker 01

  They never had to be.

• 1:56:47Speaker 00

  Think of the level of discomfort you had to go through to get where you are.

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:50Speaker 00

  You had to go live in China, fuck Chinese women.

• 1:56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh no, that was in.

• 1:56:54Speaker 00

  Oh no, sorry, that was really good. They're good at that. There's a billion of them.

• 1:56:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:00Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, but like, like the amount, the amount of fucked up shit you had to go through, right? And it's like, if you just stop making yourself uncomfortable, what would happen up here? Something, there's going to be a change.

• 1:57:10Speaker 01

  I've been there. You know, there's ways I felt when I'm like, I could feel it like, you're like, okay, I gotta find a way to just.

• 1:57:15Speaker 00

  You get empty.

• 1:57:16Speaker 01

  The, the last, bro, every time I'm about to, every night before I hop into the, the cold pool. My brain would always try and stop me, so I'd override that by just like, nope, I'm the master of my own body and I just boom, straight away dive in there. Feel the thing, be in there for two minutes, go in the spa, then again, but the first one, it's always just that, your brain's like, no, no, and you're just like walking through and I just boom, dive in. So again, you do that reps, you kind of calcify your mind. You make yourself the master of your own destiny and it transfers into other bits of your life where you just, I have to go. So this camp, I'm gonna find other ways to make myself uncomfortable. Might start going yoga, cause I don't really have a camp yet, so I'm just, I have some free time, so I'll maybe do something different,

• 1:57:58Speaker 01

  like yoga is nice. Uh, what else? I can't stretch like, you know, these Lululemon chicks.

• 1:58:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:05Speaker 01

  You know, so I want to get to that level.

• 1:58:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:08Speaker 00

  You want to be able to stretch like them.

• 1:58:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:10Speaker 01

  Get some fucking.

• 1:58:11Speaker 00

  I feel like you're flexible, you could do all the kicking and everything?

• 1:58:13Speaker 01

  I'm flexible, but again, I'm thirty five.

• 1:58:17Speaker 00

  It's different, bro.

• 1:58:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm not the same, like sometimes if, if I, I'm not striking as often as I, as I should be,

• 1:58:26Speaker 01

  takes me about a week and a half maybe to get my back snapped.

• 1:58:31Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but when I was younger, bro, I'd be out all night.

• 1:58:35Speaker 00

  Get out of bed, fuck somebody.

• 1:58:36Speaker 01

  Bro, not even sleep, go to sparring and yeah, but I can't do that anymore, cause I'm older and I'm smarter now.

• 1:58:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  So I'm not as wild as I used to be, but still, time and place.

• 1:58:45Speaker 00

  Yes, there's a time and place. Guys, anything else for the one, the only, the last Dell vendor?

• 1:58:51Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know if you can talk about this, but uh, the UFC recently settled the class action lawsuit with like a bunch of fighters.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:59Mark Gagnon?

  Does, are all the fighters included in that class action?

• 1:59:03Speaker 01

  I think it's from a certain period, so I don't really know too much about it, but I think it's from a certain period. And I don't even know if it's still going on, I think maybe he's rejected it, so it's gonna, yeah, they're gonna do a miss, uh, like a mistrial, I think.

• 1:59:16Speaker 05

  They're gonna do an actual trial, it's not a settlement.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  I see. Okay, so the judge did reject that, but again, it's not, doesn't include me, includes some fighters from a certain time period. So yeah, that'll be interesting, we'll see what happens. Yeah.

• 1:59:28Speaker 00

  Hmm, anything else?

• 1:59:30Speaker 01

  That's a good answer.

• 1:59:32Speaker 00

  Media train, yo, you're media trained, bro.

• 1:59:34Speaker 03

  It's a film.

• 1:59:36Speaker 00

  Oh, we're gonna talk about the film, bro?

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  You saw the film.

• 1:59:38Speaker 00

  This is so crazy. We saw it over a year ago.

• 1:59:41Speaker 01

  So I'll say this, it was just sometimes some people can't see the forest for the trees. And I've always said, I'm not local, I'm global. And at least now the movie can globally be filmed, be seen. And I'm happy about that because you've seen it, you saw it. It wasn't really a fight documentary. It was a fight documentary, but it's more about, say, me dealing with this lifestyle, the spotlight. And for me, the best picture I saw was a lady on a plane knitting, an old lady on a plane knitting, watching it. And someone sent me that and I thought that was cool. So that way it shows that it's not just a film about a fighter, it's a film, you know, it's a.

• 2:00:19Speaker 00

  I mean, there's a few storylines, but like, what a, what a magical one that like, when they're making it, you, they didn't know that you're gonna beat Padilla the second time.

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, again, they hurried it up because again, sometimes some people.

• 2:00:32Speaker 00

  But that is included, that is included.

• 2:00:34Speaker 01

  At the end, but that's, they rushed that bit because they, I think they, they stopped filming before, before the Pereira, New York fight. So then the film was then imposed while that was happening. So they kind of put that bit at the end. But again, the story's still being written, but right now this film.

• 2:00:51Speaker 00

  It's about you and your fights with your own life and like how you're coping with these things. Yeah, I think that is, but there'll be another thing, I think, about that saga with you and Alex.

• 2:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:02Speaker 00

  And I think that that would be.

• 2:01:03Speaker 01

  Thirty for thirty.

• 2:01:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think you gotta get Bill Simmons or something like that to do it, like, he was the guy who started the thirty for thirty, so if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah, it's like, I think it's gotta be that caliber and it's, but this is great because this is, if you're like a real fan of you, you get to explore like an emotional side of you that you'll share on pods and that kind of stuff. But like, you're like, crying in it, you're like, really talking about what makes you insecure, what makes you uncomfortable.

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  This is the most exposed I've ever felt.

• 2:01:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:32Speaker 01

  On TV. So even the first time I got on a plane and I realized, oh shit, my film's on the plane.

• 2:01:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  I, I shut down. So I got into my seat, there was a whole family and I just like, I was really awkward. And now, in my head, I just assumed like, people will be watching it and then, or maybe seeing it and then like. And I just felt so insecure about it. I'm fine now, but that was the first time in I read. I might have had an edible or something, so maybe you get more sensitive, but then I was just very like, oh shit, I didn't want to be seen. So I just shut down for the rest of the flight, but I'm fine with it now exposing myself. And now it's gonna, it's gonna be seen in North America. I think it's on Prime and Apple TV.

• 2:02:12Speaker 00

  And Apple TV.

• 2:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, globally. Even YouTube, you can rent it. Oh, yeah. So, but again, I'm, it's like, cool. This is me. I'm, I'm a human being. I'm a human animal. I have a range of emotions that can be seen in this film from when I was a kid to now. But again, if, if people are gonna take whatever they want to take from this, I'd say I practice what I preach. When I talk about people dealing with their mental health, because they don't want to get mentally ill, like physically. And I actually show them how to do it, because most people who don't, they think, oh, I'm not crazy. I need to go see some therapist or whatever, but then I'm showing you, this is, it's simple. Last time I went, I'll talk to Janet would have been a month ago. Before that, I didn't realize when she told me, Izzy, it's been three years. And I was like, really?

• 2:02:54Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, fuck.

• 2:02:56Speaker 01

  So I was like, holy shit. And I just thought maybe like a year. And she's like, no, Izzy, it's been three years. I was like, are you serious? So, yeah, but then life, the tools I got from her, right, helped me deal with a lot of things and I just, cool. But then there's the residuals you don't know about that just pile up. And then you just, ah, I'll deal with that later, but you don't know you're doing that. And it got piled up to a point that after that incident with the fucking dickhead, I was just like, nah, fuck this. So I kind of shut down and then I like, yo, Janet, can we talk? I got some stuff off. I didn't want to bombard her. So when I get back home now, I'll talk to her about some new stuff and be like, right. I got this to deal with now. I mean, pile up homework. So in that movie, when I show people how to do it,

• 2:03:39Speaker 01

  you know, I practice it as well. And like, yeah, I fall off. Like I said, it's been three years.

• 2:03:43Speaker 00

  Every life change requires a reset.

• 2:03:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:46Speaker 00

  Every single one.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  Like having a kid.

• 2:03:48Speaker 00

  Having a kid and like it throws, you think you have it all figured out and then you have a kid and you are back to zero.

• 2:03:54Speaker 01

  Square one.

• 2:03:55Speaker 00

  And you have to re-figure it all out. And that, I mean, that's the important of having like a partner that's down to figure it out with you. Because that shit is, that's why you gotta choose, you gotta choose that partner wisely. And, but I imagine in your life, every trying to become champion, becoming champion, like.

• 2:04:12Speaker 00

  Losing the belt, gaining the belt, like all these things. What is my new identity without the belt? Now I got it again. Oh, my God. Everybody loves me now that I have the belt again. Well, maybe they never stopped loving me. Maybe they, maybe they just like all these things. If you just ignore and put to the side.

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:30Speaker 00

  You're gonna deal with them through stress. And I thought that's what was cool about the film is you trying to fucking figure it out.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I still am constantly. Like even now in this new level, you know, this even in my personal life, I try to keep it as private as I can. But then in this film, I, there was one point the director was like, we need a love interest. I was like, hell, no. I knew straight away, I was just like, cause I knew at the time, I was like, this ain't it. This ain't the one.

• 2:04:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:54Speaker 01

  But.

• 2:04:58Speaker 00

  There was sort of a love interest.

• 2:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then, nah, she tried. I was like, nah, this ain't the one, like instinct.

• 2:05:03Speaker 00

  There was an interest.

• 2:05:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it wasn't for me anyway, so.

• 2:05:06Speaker 00

  Not the right casting. The casting wasn't right.

• 2:05:08Speaker 01

  But, but look, I do get like FOMO, you know? You just had a kid, you did, he just got engaged. And but thing is, I'm grateful for is.

• 2:05:17Speaker 00

  You engaged?

• 2:05:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, David just got engaged. And Tahiti did all that. Yeah.

• 2:05:22Speaker 00

  What's his name?

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  Nah, but she, she fucking changed him, bro. So he lives, they kicked me out.

• 2:05:35Speaker 01

  He did some gruffness, bro. But what's this, what's this? The house that my first house I ever bought, he lives in that. They kicked me out, right? And then now every time I go there, it's always clean. And I'm like, why the fuck was in this place spotless when we lived together? But again, that's.

• 2:05:49Speaker 00

  They bring out the best in you, these women, bro. You get a good one, they bring out the best in you, man.

• 2:05:53Speaker 01

  And I'm proud of him for that because of the growth he's had and I see that. And then I was, I was kind of getting to this point where I was just like, man, you know, I'm fine. Again, I'm a man, shout out, dick pride, but still.

• 2:06:05Speaker 01

  You know, it's like, ah, it'll happen, it'll happen. But then when I was golfing with Kelly early this year, he didn't tell me like, yeah, he's about to have a second one. I think it's public, not public news, but it's on a story on Instagram or something. So he's had a second kid at fifty-two.

• 2:06:18Speaker 00

  Who Slater?

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:19Speaker 00

  Oh, the legend.

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, the guy, yeah, my bad, Kelly Slater, yeah.

• 2:06:22Speaker 00

  That might have been the coolest thing about the sphere is I got to like.

• 2:06:24Speaker 01

  Oh, you met him? Yeah, he was there. He's the man. Such a cool dude. Doesn't know a little fifty-two at all, or fifty-three now, maybe. But just had a second kid.

• 2:06:32Speaker 00

  He's been about the health forever, though. He's been locked in.

• 2:06:33Speaker 01

  And the ocean, yeah, the ocean. Yeah, but yeah, he talked to me about that and kind of him and one thing Bill Burr said years ago, just kind of let me know like, it's fine. There's no rush because if you start rushing, because you know, a lot of these girls, they do that. They're trying like, oh, it's like thirty-five, but I need someone. And they find the wrong guy, settle down, have kid with the wrong guy. Now you got to deal with that guy for the rest of your life.

• 2:06:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:55Speaker 01

  That ain't me. I'm not trying to be that person. So, yeah, I'm just gonna chill and probably one day share this part of my life. But at the moment, I like peace. I like, and this is where I'm at with peace is just me, myself and I. And then doing all this to better myself will attract not just that, but the best thing. Because already it's attracting the best. Uh, like deals and positions for me. Like, look, we've got Broke Boy, we've got, um, you know, his company that's doing well. And all these other things that are happening, I can't really talk about right now, but it's because I'm just focused on me and being the best me. So, yeah, I feel like I'm in a good place. But again, still in the race.

• 2:07:35Speaker 00

  It's supposed to, my boy.

• 2:07:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm still in the race. Yeah, me too. Even when I was in the last, I said this, I tried to get on Riot for the last two years. They're still trying to process me and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna get on Hinge to see what's up. But then Hinge is not what I thought it was.

• 2:07:47Speaker 00

  Nah, wait, what was it?

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  And nah, it's just like the whole fucking questionnaire you have to fill.

• 2:07:51Speaker 02

  Riot didn't accept you? That's some racist shit. That's some racist shit.

• 2:07:55Speaker 00

  That makes me feel, wait, we'll figure out that Riot.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  Nah, Riot was more like, I'm just like, ah, let's see what's happening. But then it wasn't. I was like, still. But then Hinge, I was like, they're all looking for something different. Yeah.

• 2:08:08Speaker 00

  We're gonna make, you're gonna do some damage on Riot.

• 2:08:10Speaker 01

  That's what I'm trying to do, man. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I was trying, but.

• 2:08:13Speaker 00

  You can walk outside for five minutes, you'll be fine.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd rather, look, I'd rather, if I'm gonna get rejected, I'd rather it happen the old fashioned way, real life, face to face. You know what I mean? Rather than like swiping, swiping, swiping.

• 2:08:25Speaker 00

  Why do you need a dating app?

• 2:08:27Speaker 01

  I don't, but I just thought I'd try it just for the laws.

• 2:08:30Speaker 00

  You should see the girls in Auckland, they're not. Damn.

• 2:08:36Speaker 01

  Val would be there. That's what I'm saying, while we're out here, we shoot.

• 2:08:40Speaker 00

  What happened? Wait, why, why, what's the deal? They got too much sheep in them?

• 2:08:46Speaker 01

  Nah, so, look, there's some, there's some, there's some really nice girls out there, but if you talk about per capita, like in New York, in New York and LA.

• 2:08:54Speaker 00

  It's crazy, we're spoiled, we're spoiled, bro.

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  Bro, constantly, we're in the streets, just like me and Matt, it was like, oh fuck. Not even shy about it anymore. That's why in the airports, I just put shades on so I can perv in peace.

• 2:09:07Speaker 01

  You're a lot of look. You're a lot of look.

• 2:09:10Speaker 00

  They don't know.

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  You're a lot of look.

• 2:09:11Speaker 00

  They came outside.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm outside.

• 2:09:13Speaker 00

  Why they come outside?

• 2:09:15Speaker 01

  Why you looking at me too?

• 2:09:17Speaker 00

  You notice I'm looking at you, you looking at me.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm looking at me, looking at you, looking at me.

• 2:09:21Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  I like those, they're fun, and get some good interactions, but yeah, you get some weird ones.

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  I had a stalker.

• 2:09:28Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:09:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  That's my bad.

• 2:09:32Speaker 01

  All the women I found, but then.

• 2:09:33Speaker 00

  What happened, what happened? What she look like first?

• 2:09:36Speaker 01

  So I had to, this is just for, I'd send this to my lawyer, because I was like, okay, I need to get this on, on film, just so he knows, and then he's like, right, you need to send her a restraining order. So I got her on the cam, on the, on the camera, because she somehow found the ding dong, and when I asked her how, she goes, honestly, I don't.

• 2:09:57Speaker 02

  Whoa, that's wild.

• 2:09:59Speaker 00

  Hold on one second, that's not a stalker, bro, that's, that's just.

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  She found the ding dong?

• 2:10:03Speaker 01

  The, I mean, the, the number to, to get to my apartment, so yeah.

• 2:10:08Speaker 00

  Nah, you gotta let her in, man, she needs help.

• 2:10:10Speaker 01

  Well, let me tell you, oh, she needs help, for real.

• 2:10:15Speaker 00

  She needs help.

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  But when she, she turned around, I was like.

• 2:10:17Speaker 00

  No, no, it's crazy.

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  I think she's Colombian too, so you know they, they wild and.

• 2:10:22Speaker 00

  That was the road rage guy's sister.

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  Nah, but so for real.

• 2:10:25Speaker 00

  You could see from the front.

• 2:10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:27Speaker 02

  That's fire.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  But, but, so one time.

• 2:10:29Speaker 00

  What the hell, how you see from the front?

• 2:10:31Speaker 01

  Nah, nah, nah, so one time.

• 2:10:32Speaker 00

  Nah, he better than me, bro. Nah, I'm single and I got girls in the ding dong.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  Again, I'm glad I have a little bit of, you know.

• 2:10:40Speaker 00

  Discipline.

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  Discipline, a little bit, sometimes I don't. But that's what I'm glad I did, because if I did, then I'm pretty sure I'd have problems right now.

• 2:10:48Speaker 00

  You gotta jerk off to the security cam.

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:51Speaker 00

  You're still in turn, then you let her in.

• 2:10:53Speaker 02

  Why you think he took that video?

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  For the lawyer.

• 2:10:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. That's what I call my dick too.

• 2:11:00Speaker 01

  Lay down the law.

• 2:11:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:05Speaker 01

  No, but again, like shit like that doesn't happen all the time, but I'm sure, look, I'm sure people have stalkers that are really good that they don't know about.

• 2:11:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Trap them up, all these NBA players.

• 2:11:15Speaker 01

  Bro, the amount of older women that get with these young players.

• 2:11:20Speaker 00

  Oh, that's all game.

• 2:11:21Speaker 01

  That's sad. No, but again, look, if like you see someone, you're like, cool, that's it's legal.

• 2:11:27Speaker 00

  They just know the game, like they know, yeah.

• 2:11:29Speaker 01

  They're hot, they're 42, they're like, cool, I'mma get you, you're 21, bang.

• 2:11:33Speaker 00

  And also like the kids, I think this is a little bit different now, but like if you're a superstar athlete, you're famous at like probably around 14.

• 2:11:42Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:11:43Speaker 00

  In America, right?

• 2:11:44Speaker 01

  Ah, okay.

• 2:11:45Speaker 00

  Because they start recruiting you of all these things, like you're getting offers and like they don't really develop the skills to talk to girls because they're just a superstar athlete and they're just practicing.

• 2:11:55Speaker 01

  No game, no game.

• 2:11:56Speaker 00

  So they don't really, so they're like kind of awkward and uncomfortable and then there's older girl that knows how to make them comfy, they got that maternal instinct. They're also not really tripping when they're going out there like talking to other girls. They're not trying to lock them down like these young ones are there, yeah, go have some fun and like, oh my God, this girl's the coolest girl ever.

• 2:12:12Speaker 01

  She letting me do this.

• 2:12:12Speaker 00

  Gotcha. And these girls are technically also pedophiles. Yeah, also.

• 2:12:18Speaker 01

  The guys are 21, whatever, it's legal.

• 2:12:20Speaker 00

  They're groomers.

• 2:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, groomers, but again, if it was the other way, I mean, Leo gets away with it, so.

• 2:12:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, he'll impregnate him.

• 2:12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, he knows what he's doing.

• 2:12:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:29Speaker 00

  I wonder if he's.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  Catch and release, catch and release. That's the, yeah. That's the one, catch and release.

• 2:12:34Speaker 00

  Would you snip, if you're Leo or like if you're somebody, would you just freeze your sperm in a few different places?

• 2:12:40Speaker 01

  You can put it back, right?

• 2:12:41Speaker 00

  You can put it back.

• 2:12:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's gotta snip, you gotta.

• 2:12:44Speaker 01

  I'm just too scared, I just, yeah.

• 2:12:46Speaker 00

  No, don't snip.

• 2:12:47Speaker 01

  No, hell no. No, no, no, I'm, I'm good.

• 2:12:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:12:50Speaker 01

  Again, I, look, when I was wilder, I never had a baby because I never pulled out of a fight, but my pullout game is.

• 2:12:58Speaker 00

  Is elite?

• 2:12:59Speaker 01

  Elite.

• 2:13:00Speaker 00

  Elite?

• 2:13:00Speaker 01

  Elites, but then now again, I'm smart, I'm smart now and Auckland again, it's just the cesspool is just, everybody's fucked everybody.

• 2:13:09Speaker 00

  That's the other thing, like I imagine like.

• 2:13:10Speaker 01

  Small city, you know, Val.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  He was only there for a week, but.

• 2:13:15Speaker 00

  This guy, this guy is a bad guy.

• 2:13:20Speaker 01

  Oh, I love him. That's why we, hey.

• 2:13:21Speaker 00

  You know what he does? This is, he does this shit is so fucking bad.

• 2:13:25Speaker 01

  I love it though, I love it though.

• 2:13:25Speaker 00

  If there's a dude that like will be like, come hang for whatever reason, it don't matter who it is, they might be coming hanging and like they'll say, yeah, I just started dating this girl, right? And Val will do this shit all the time. They're like, oh, where, where from? He's like, oh, she lives in LA. And he'll be like, oh, oh, what's her name? And then he'll be like, he'll be like, oh, yeah, Megan. And he goes, oh, Megan.

• 2:13:47Speaker 00

  He does this every single time. He goes, oh, yeah, Megan. And then he don't follow up and the dude just sits there like, did this motherfucker dick down my girl? What exactly you mean by, oh, yeah, Megan?

• 2:13:59Speaker 01

  The whole rest of the night sits in his head like, the fuck did Val mean by that?

• 2:14:02Speaker 00

  That's an evil guy right there.

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  And Megan, do you know, you know, you know Val?

• 2:14:07Speaker 01

  It's like, this guy, oh, Val.

• 2:14:09Speaker 00

  Isn't that a horrible thing to say? Oh, yeah, Megan.

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  He's just letting them know.

• 2:14:13Speaker 03

  Bro, you're an animal. He does this a lot.

• 2:14:15Speaker 00

  He does this a lot. We need some innocent fun, do we not?

• 2:14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did. It was innocent and fun. Yeah. Nice.

• 2:14:22Speaker 03

  Val said you were crazy in bed.

• 2:14:27Speaker 03

  Val said it. When he came back, he said, you're like.

• 2:14:33Speaker 00

  Shannon Sharp put up like a shirtless pic and like Val was looking, he's like, yo, look at Shannon Sharp. And Shannon's just looking at Jack and Val, and we're all like, damn, that motherfucker's Jack. He's like 50 years old, how is he still Jack? And Val goes, yo, he must be crazy in bed.

• 2:14:46Speaker 07

  What? And was I right?

• 2:14:48Speaker 00

  You was right.

• 2:14:50Speaker 07

  Was I ridicaded?

• 2:14:52Speaker 01

  Shout out to Shell.

• 2:14:54Speaker 07

  Crazy.

• 2:14:56Speaker 00

  Anyway, listen, Izzy, we love you, bro. We are excited to be on this journey, man, and see what's next for you. And you know, we're there to support. Thank you so much, man.

• 2:15:04Speaker 01

  Always brothers, respect and love forever and ever. Flagrant Crew, gang. Love you.