Kylie & Caitlin Clark on WNBA Trash Talk, Playing for Philly in 2030 & Is Travis the Chiefs’ GOAT? | Ep. 86

Kylie’s back for a very special edition of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by Xfinity! She’s joined by the 3x WNBA All-Star, starting point guard for the Indiana Fever, friend of the family and now children’s book author…Caitlin Clark (7:30)! But before Caitlin joins the show, Kylie gives her honest thoughts on Jason’s newest adventure: sumo wrestling (3:10). She even reads some of the thirstiest comments on his Instagram post and gives the Real Ones her quarterly reminder: “He’s Mine!” Then, Caitlin joins the show to talk about her dedication to her Chiefs fandom, including Kylie’s love of the fact that she wouldn’t wear a Colts jersey she was gifted at their game (10:29). Caitlin also reviews Wyatt shooting a pop-a-shot on The Other Podcast, to really determine if one of the Kelce girls will be a professional baller someday (13:41). Caitlin also gives her best advice to parents on how to get young girls into sports! After that, Kylie gives her best shot at trying to recruit Caitlin to join the Philly 2030 WNBA team (18:50), and they break down the magnitude of the Valkyries winning the WNBA Finals (25:42). Kylie also gets Caitlin to admit who she trash-talks the most (27:43), who is the hardest player to gameplan for (32:40), and gives a tease at the next Caitlin 1 drop.. And maybe even the Caitlin 2s...(48:05) Lastly, she shares that her new kids' book, Extraordinary: A Little Extra to Reach Big Dreams, is meant to inspire kids to reach their fullest potential by being their best selves, just as her parents inspired her (39:19)! . . . NEW MERCH ALERT!!! Check out our new NGL fall merch collection right now: https://www.nglkylie.com Support the show: Xfinity: Xfinity's fiber-powered WiFi keeps all of us connected. Check it out at https://Xfinity.com Mars: For more on Mars and its family of brands, visit @MarsGlobal on Instagram or https://Mars.com BareMinerals: Take your vitamins. Wear your minerals. Shop Now at https://bareMinerals.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:43Kylie Kelce?

  I'm happy you're finally on the right podcast. That's good. Now, who would you say are the toughest players for you to game plan against now?

• 0:51Speaker 04

  Oh, gosh, in the W, definitely Asia.

• 0:53Kylie Kelce?

  Is Travis your favorite Chiefs player of all time?

• 0:56Speaker 04

  Come on, of course. The best part about this final series is that the Valkyries are in it because like they've been a franchise for two years.

• 1:05Kylie Kelce?

  I know you can't say like an enthusiastic yes, but like, wouldn't it be fun to come to Philadelphia?

• 1:14Speaker 04

  Be on the team or like as a visitor?

• 1:17Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. Not gonna lie, Halloween is over, but that does not mean that the holidays have started. Don't you dare put those trashy trees on. We will give a Thanksgiving feast the respect it deserves. I think maybe I don't like putting them out so early because I leave them up for so long. One year I didn't take the stockings off of the mantle until the following Christmas.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  That was a confession I didn't think was coming out in that grand.

• 1:46Kylie Kelce?

  Let's get this podcast started.

• 1:52Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to a very special, very athletic, very tall edition of Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original brought to you by Xfinity. Why is this one so special? Why are we dropping a bonus episode on a Tuesday? The answer is simple, real ones. When one of our top requested guests puts out something extraordinary, we must jump at the chance to discuss that with them.

• 2:22Kylie Kelce?

  That's right. Katelyn Clark is joining me. Yes, that's right. I am as shocked as you are.

• 2:30Kylie Kelce?

  Has she been on the other podcast twice? Yes. Have we finally got her? Also, yes. And why, you might ask?

• 2:43Kylie Kelce?

  Look at that. Stunning. Look at Caitlin Clark.

• 2:52Kylie Kelce?

  How do we keep falling face first into this? It's crazy. Now, Caitlin Clark will be joining me here in just a minute. That's bananas to say, but first I'll introduce the far less impressive person in this conversation. Exactly. You're right. Yes, it's me. I'm your host, Kylie Kelce. As of recently, a soccer mom. That's right. Wyatt and Ellie are playing soccer. Why? Because that's the sport you start with. Gives you good field awareness, gets you out in the grass, nice fall weather vibes. I got this real nice chair, the one of the little folding chairs. It can fit me and at least two other children, which is necessary because they never stop touching you.

• 3:36Kylie Kelce?

  Also, proud women's basketball fan. That's right. I'm really excited about the W bringing a team to Philadelphia in just a few years. It's going to be an opportunity for us to not only cheer on the team, but to be tough on them as well, because that's what we do as Philadelphia fans. And lastly, in response to all the comments left on Jason Sumo Wrestling video, I have no choice but to address this matter. Yes, I knew my husband was going to Sumo Wrestle, and yes, I figured that he would be committed to the bit.

• 4:12Kylie Kelce?

  But I didn't know that we would see quite so many bits. I enjoy that the other podcast got so many comments on the clip discussing this that Jets Jake, otherwise known as the voice of the other podcast's social media, actually had to tag me in a comment that said, please stop tagging at Kai Kelsey.

• 4:38Kylie Kelce?

  That's hilarious. But I will say, we did get, oh, oh, oh. See, this is how you know your algorithm is working over time, because I didn't see these comments. Apparently someone named Sloan said, why is Jason Sumo Wrestling so sexy? No, it's not Sloan, not to you. That's an inside thought that you let your fingers let out. Wrong. Someone else said, he's caked, not gonna lie. Hashtag wrestled at, first of all, including NGL and not gonna lie, in that statement, wrong.

• 5:22Kylie Kelce?

  Also, you are lying. My husband has a little chicken ass. That's what I call it. I will continue to call it that, even though he is completing squat tober as we speak. Someone else said, look at that jumper. Oh, you guys are confused. Let me explain to you what Wyatt has recently discovered after watching mom squat. She said, when you bend down, your butt spreads. So it's just that he's bent down and his butt spread. How about that? Oh, thank you, Queen Emma, for drawing attention. That person did have a drool emoji with their comment, so I'm gonna need you to wipe that off your face and whoop, keep it moving.

• 6:06Kylie Kelce?

  Let's see who else had something to say. Someone said, at Kai Kelsey, it's you versus one of us next. Oh.

• 6:18Kylie Kelce?

  Lacy, I don't know if you like pancakes, but you're about to be one.

• 6:28Kylie Kelce?

  You guys better get the fuck up out of this comment section. I mean, come on now. I don't know how many times I have to, I have to say this.

• 6:40Kylie Kelce?

  It tis mine, mine, M-I-N-E, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine. Look while you can, people. You know what? Marvel at the greatness that is my husband's physique.

• 7:02Kylie Kelce?

  And then move on. Okay?

• 7:07Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I like that most people thought of me when they saw this, and that's what I want. I want you to remember this face when you see that ass. Okay? Someone said, NGL with Kylie. I cannot wait for your commentary and, and also, please discuss the wax job. Give him hell, sis. I know nothing about a wax job this time around. There have been other times where I knew about the wax job, specifically because the last time my husband got a wax, it was for the Speedo last year at the OD.

• 7:48Kylie Kelce?

  I think that's the one and only time he's been waxed to that extent, but I could be wrong. I don't know. Ask him. Why are you asking me? I don't, I'm not responsible for the grooming of that man. Anyway, well, now that that's been addressed, let's shift gears completely to something and someone extraordinary. Today's very special guest and our main event. Queen Emma, bring her in. I'm happy you're finally on the right podcast. That's good.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  I've been on the other podcast twice now.

• 8:18Kylie Kelce?

  I know. It's seriously, it was like about time. I'm very, very grateful that you, first of all, made the time for us, but second, wrote this incredible book.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  Do you have one?

• 8:31Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, I do.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  Cool, cool. You can read it to the kids.

• 8:37Kylie Kelce?

  You're damn right I will. I'm really trying to talk them into be Hoopers.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:41Kylie Kelce?

  Um, because between my husband and I, they have to be big. Like, we're just like-

• 8:48Speaker 04

  Get them on the block, come on.

• 8:50Kylie Kelce?

  I would love them to, but I'm not the person to advocate for that because I opted out of basketball.

• 8:57Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 8:58Kylie Kelce?

  I did. My dad-

• 8:59Speaker 04

  Did you play at all?

• 9:00Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, well, I played like AAU when I was little, but my dad, he's six foot nine and so he was like- He submitted the hoop in the backyard and everything. He tried his damnedest and it didn't-

• 9:11Speaker 04

  So the girls can be tall. They could be really tall.

• 9:14Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, my husband, you've seen him, six three. I'm five eleven. So we might, we might, I mean, everybody jokes around, if we have one more, we'll have a starting five. And like, I wouldn't be mad about it.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  That's funny.

• 9:29Kylie Kelce?

  But I really hope they are basketball players because I feel like it's such a badass sport and I wish I had stuck with it. I went the wrong direction. I'm gonna read your intro and then we'll get into the thick of it. Let's see if I can read a sentence today. She's your 2024 number one overall pick in the WNBA draft, 2026 All WNBA First Team, three-time All-Star, NCAA Division One All-Time Scoring Leader, Time Athlete of the Year, WNBA Rookie of the Year, Starting Point Guard for the Indiana Fever, a friend of the family, Chief Super Fan. She's officially an author and now she's not gonna lie, Katelyn Clark, welcome to the show.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  Let's go.

• 10:10Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, God.

• 10:11Speaker 04

  You put some important stuff in there. I have Chief stuff in my office. I don't know if you can see, but-

• 10:15Kylie Kelce?

  Of course you do, because you're a real fan.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  I'm gonna die hard.

• 10:19Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, obviously have been a huge fan of watching you come up and really make a huge slash in college, but then also your transition to the W. It is such a pleasure to watch, really like the boom of women's sports right now, but you and your teammates leading that is so much fun to watch and then get to be like a part of that fandom right now.

• 10:48Kylie Kelce?

  What I will say, speaking of fandom, one of the things that really struck a chord with me, I believe you went to the Colts game?

• 10:56Speaker 04

  I did. I, I usually try to make it to like one Colts game a year. I have to support, obviously, like just the hometown team, but it's not, it's not the same level of fandom, okay?

• 11:09Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, so I, I actually, do we have, do we have a picture or a clip? This, this was the moment. I'm like, all of the other accolades, all the things we just listed, I'm like, you're incredible. The moment you wouldn't put on a Colts jersey, I was like, my girl.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  I have to be loyal to the red.

• 11:28Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, you do. Thank you for saying that. Um, did you catch a lot of shit for that?

• 11:35Speaker 04

  Honestly, like in real time, I wasn't like thinking like, oh, I'm not gonna put this on because I don't want like the Chiefs fans mad or Travis mad or whatever, but after the fact, I didn't realize all my teammates had it on. So that made me look worse, but whatever. I still have the jersey. It's cool. They put my name on it, you know?

• 11:54Kylie Kelce?

  Let me be clear, there is not a negative thought in my mind about that interaction and you not putting on that jersey. I, to be fair, I've caught a lot of shit for not putting the red on.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, and I, and I love the Colts, like, I love that. I think it's so cool that you're say daughters and what they do. Like, obviously, we talk about women's sports, like, they're just all kind of like badass and, um, you know, I know them pretty well. I know the youngest daughter pretty well. So I think they're, they're pretty awesome in the way, obviously, they get to run the team now. As somebody that, you know, I would love to own a team or be able to be like, if I didn't, if I wasn't a basketball player, I think I would still like work in sports and like, I think working in like a front office type of deal would be super fun. So I think they're super cool and they have young daughters as well that sometimes come to the Fever games and, and that's just been super cool. So getting to watch them from a distance has, has been awesome and, you know, I want the Chiefs, or I want the Chiefs to do well. I want the Colts to do well.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  It was tough when they played each other in week, they played each other in week two. In week two this year, so that made me a little anxious, obviously, you know, it was gonna, I was honestly thankful it wasn't in Indianapolis because I'm like, I feel like I can't go, like, I can't wear Chief stuff but be in Indianapolis. So it was in KC. I didn't go to it, but I was watching on TV. But no, I mean, I wish them the best, the Colts, but I am diehard Chiefs. I've been diehard since I was a young kid and it is what it is, okay?

• 13:16Kylie Kelce?

  Don't worry, our Real One listeners are well-versed in the idea of, I love supporting this team over here and they're amazing, but if it comes down to this or that, you know who it is every time.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 13:33Kylie Kelce?

  And that's okay, because honestly, like, speaking of the Ursay family, like, you're talking about, like, they have to have respect for the fact that you're that much of a diehard Chiefs fan.

• 13:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:44Kylie Kelce?

  There are Colts fans that do that.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  There's pictures of me like as a young kid, like in a full like pink Chiefs fit, bob cut, you know?

• 13:53Kylie Kelce?

  You were raised in it.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I mean, I like grew up two and a half hours from the stadium, so it was like always a once a year trip. I went with my cousins. We were probably in the nosebleeds and the Chiefs were not very good when I was a young kid, so it's been fun to like see all the success that they've had and it's made for a lot of like fun moments even for, you know, my family and I getting to watch them.

• 14:14Kylie Kelce?

  Now, we, um, we mentioned the other podcast, uh, when we first started chatting. And, um, on the other podcast, I think you got to meet our oldest daughter, um, because you sent a Papa shot.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:29Kylie Kelce?

  It's still in our living room.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  Are they working on their game? Come on.

• 14:34Kylie Kelce?

  As a great living room decor. Yes, they are working on their game. Uh, it, it's, um, here's the thing, we have the clip. We'll, we'll show it to you just because, well, she's adorable.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:47Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, in a princess dress. That's balance.

• 14:55Kylie Kelce?

  I love that the dog's also in the way, like, how chaotic could we make it? Nice job, Y.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  Three buckets in the dress. I love it. Do them both.

• 15:05Kylie Kelce?

  Do you think, based on this, this interaction and also how large her parents are, do you think we have a chance? Maybe she's a baller and maybe-

• 15:15Speaker 04

  WNBA bound, I think.

• 15:17Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much for saying that.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  All I needed to see.

• 15:20Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I, what would you, what advice would you give me in trying to encourage my girls to play basketball? Because I'm trying to be subtle about it.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  What sports do they like right now? Or like, they even into sports?

• 15:34Kylie Kelce?

  So our third, it's questionable whether she's gonna play sports. She wears a string of pearls.

• 15:40Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 15:40Kylie Kelce?

  She's like, she's an old soul.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:43Kylie Kelce?

  Our older two are playing soccer, just because I feel like that's really good.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  That was my first sport, too.

• 15:48Kylie Kelce?

  I feel like it's everyone's, field awareness, team sport.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Go run out around on the grass.

• 15:53Kylie Kelce?

  Exactly. Blow the stink off yourself. Go try and chase it down. Um, so they've started with that. We've done a little gymnastics, but that's gonna be short-lived because they're gonna be enormous. Um, and I say enormous in the most positive way.

• 16:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:08Kylie Kelce?

  Um, we have, my husband really wants them to try ice hockey. I would love selfishly for them to play some field hockey, but we haven't quite gotten there yet.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:18Kylie Kelce?

  Um, but they have gone to a basketball camp because our nanny played basketball. So she tries to help us in this sort of encouragement. Um, and they enjoy-

• 16:31Speaker 04

  Are they excited about it? They, they liked it?

• 16:33Kylie Kelce?

  They loved basketball.

• 16:34Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 16:35Kylie Kelce?

  I know, and I'm trying, I'm trying to be cool about it.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  You gotta bring them to a game. I feel like that's like what gets kids like excitement going is like when they like come to like a game and they're like, oh, I want to actually do that. I think sometimes it's hard like watching on TV when you're a younger kid, but,

• 16:53Speaker 04

  I definitely grew up playing soccer first and I honestly loved soccer. But more than anything, I would just say, make them like try as many things as they possibly can, because that's all I did growing up. Like I did like track, I did softball, I did soccer, I did basketball.

• 17:06Kylie Kelce?

  Yup.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  I wanted to try anything so I could like figure out what I really liked. And then I even played soccer through high school too as well, so. But I think it's, I don't know, basketball's probably like hard when you're like five.

• 17:19Kylie Kelce?

  And you can't reach the hoop.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, everybody's just like running with the ball, like it's hard to dribble, hand-eye's hard. That's the thing about like soccer, it's like, you just run and then you like try to kick it and it might go in and might not, but-

• 17:31Kylie Kelce?

  You might fall on your face.

• 17:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:33Kylie Kelce?

  But it's fun for the parents to watch.

• 17:35Speaker 04

  It is. And I think soccer like certainly helped me with basketball, like understanding angles and like, it's probably like the same with like you playing field hockey, like when you like pass and like different things like that, like just trying to like get open, like, it's understanding like all of that and then that plays into each other, so. But I know, I mean, they'll figure it out. As long as one of them, as long as one of them likes basketball, we'll call it a win.

• 17:58Kylie Kelce?

  See, I always tell people, I played the odds. We have four daughters. One of them's bound to play field hockey and at this point, one of them's bound to play basketball. I'm kind of-

• 18:07Speaker 04

  And then one will probably also hate sports. So that's just how-

• 18:10Kylie Kelce?

  Thousand percent.

• 18:10Speaker 04

  How it works out.

• 18:11Kylie Kelce?

  But she's already showed her card, so I'm not pushing that one.

• 18:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's funny.

• 18:17Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, in, in the idea of taking them to a game, recently, my own mother-in-law had the absolute pleasure of coming to watch you guys play.

• 18:28Speaker 04

  She did. And she came to a good one. She might be a good luck charm. Like she's, I told her afterwards, I'm like, Donna, you're invited back, like-

• 18:35Kylie Kelce?

  Do you know Donna's been told that so many times?

• 18:37Speaker 04

  I don't know, but no, she said she had a lot of fun. Uh, that was the game. I wore the friendship bracelet shoes too, so it worked out well, but she had a good spot. It was fun. It was, it was our last win before we played it. We had took a break for the FIBA World Cup, so, um, it was fun having her.

• 18:54Kylie Kelce?

  This makes me feel a little bit of pressure because my next question was, can I come to Indiana?

• 19:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. We got tickets waiting. We've been waiting.

• 19:03Kylie Kelce?

  My concern is, is that now that you've called Donna a good luck charm-

• 19:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, it might be like your one and only, if it doesn't go well.

• 19:11Kylie Kelce?

  And here's the deal, I'm superstitious enough that I will be the first person to be like, hey, actually, guys, it's time to go. I actually, I'm, I'll never see you here again. It's been great. Thanks for having me.

• 19:21Speaker 04

  Come to another game, you probably just can't come back.

• 19:24Kylie Kelce?

  Exactly, another city.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Find me on the road.

• 19:26Kylie Kelce?

  Another city.

• 19:27Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 19:28Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. The W is coming to Philadelphia in 2030. Now, we've got some time, not that much time, but we've got time.

• 19:37Kylie Kelce?

  Do you number one have any suggestions about a name? Cause this has been a hot topic in our house.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  A name?

• 19:43Kylie Kelce?

  A name. Have you heard any of the prospects?

• 19:47Speaker 04

  No.

• 19:47Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not gonna really put you on the spot here, cause.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  What are the ideas? What do we got?

• 19:51Kylie Kelce?

  Um, there's been like, I think the bells has been a big one, like the Liberty bells.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:58Kylie Kelce?

  But it's a little close to Liberty.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  When I was growing up.

• 20:02Kylie Kelce?

  There is. It still exists.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were like one of the first like really, really, really good women's AAU programs when I was growing up. I played them all the time. They're on the Nike circuit. They had, they've had a lot of really good players. I think that would, that would be a good one. I don't know if the AAU team would like that, but we'll see.

• 20:18Kylie Kelce?

  They'd be a little ticked.

• 20:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, they might be. They might be.

• 20:21Kylie Kelce?

  I'm advocating for Philadelphia broads.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 20:26Kylie Kelce?

  Broad Street is our main drag right through the middle of the city. It's like our parade route for any like championships, all that stuff. And I just think it's like, kind of rough around the edges, like Philadelphia.

• 20:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:38Kylie Kelce?

  You know what I mean?

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Philly has like such rich tradition in women's basketball too. Like, I'd imagine like these games are gonna be, what, it's 2030? Like, and the new arena will be done by then. Like, it's gonna be crazy. I think just the excitement level for, for that team.

• 20:55Kylie Kelce?

  I know you can't say, like, an enthusiastic yes. But like, wouldn't it be fun? To come to Philadelphia? And not just, not, no, no.

• 21:09Speaker 04

  Be on the team or like as a visitor?

• 21:11Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. Yes.

• 21:13Speaker 04

  I mean, I really, this is actually shocking. I've really never spent much time.

• 21:18Kylie Kelce?

  I knew you were gonna say that. I knew that in my heart.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've only been there one time and it was for a doctor's appointment at the Vincera Institute. So.

• 21:28Kylie Kelce?

  We love Dr. Myers.

• 21:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, Dr. Myers is great. Um, and then I got a Philly cheesesteak.

• 21:33Kylie Kelce?

  Have both been hit up by Dr. Myers.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  And then I got a cheesesteak and then I left. So, I mean, let me come experience the city first. You can sell it to me.

• 21:42Kylie Kelce?

  This is actually, honestly, Caitlin, this is great because there have been people who have asked this question too, and they have been to Philadelphia and they have been here slightly too long where it has tainted their vision of the city. And I think that I could skew you in the right direction.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  All right. I trust you.

• 22:01Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, perfect.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  And like, the thing about Philadelphia sports is like, I love how passionate the fans are. Like, they're crazy, but I think it's awesome. Like.

• 22:09Kylie Kelce?

  We're batshit.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Phillies fans and Eagles fans, Sixers fans, like, they all seem kind of nuts, but I love it. Like, I love that fandom. Like, they want to win just as much as the players do, possibly more, honestly.

• 22:22Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  Possibly more.

• 22:23Kylie Kelce?

  So, speaking of the Sixers, uh, I did see that you met up with LeBron.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:32Kylie Kelce?

  I'm assuming this isn't the first time you guys met?

• 22:34Speaker 04

  No, I've, I've met LeBron many times before, but he gave me his signed game worn Sixers jersey. So, I don't really like, want like that many people's like signed jerseys, but like, that's one where I'm like, that'll be, that'll be getting framed.

• 22:47Kylie Kelce?

  Send it to the framer.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Exactly, ASAP.

• 22:50Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  But no, that was, that was super cool. Um, and it's like, it's crazy. Like, I can't believe that bronze on the Sixers. Like, that's wild. And actually, the Sixers coach is from Iowa originally. So like, I've always kind of known who he is. Um, he grew up in Carroll, Iowa. Um, and actually, Des Moines, Iowa has a G League team. And he actually started the team. Like, he pitched it to all these like wealthy businessmen all around the Des Moines area. He's like, let's bring a G League team here. That's kind of how he became who he is and won a championship in Toronto with the Raptors. And now he's the coach of the Sixers. And he's from Iowa, so.

• 23:30Kylie Kelce?

  Even more reasons to come to Philadelphia.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:34Kylie Kelce?

  And to enjoy the city. Would you ever come and watch a Sixers game in Philly?

• 23:38Speaker 04

  I would love to, yeah. Maybe. I need to experience the fans up close, okay?

• 23:44Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, you do.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  See what they're all about.

• 23:47Kylie Kelce?

  The best part is, is I say that so confidently because I know for a fact, like, if they put your face on the Jumbotron at a Sixers game.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  Would they boo me or would they cheer?

• 23:57Kylie Kelce?

  We would bring the house down with cheers.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 24:00Kylie Kelce?

  Because, here's the thing, because we don't have a W team yet, and you have not declared yourself against us.

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I haven't.

• 24:07Kylie Kelce?

  We still get to say you're with us.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. You can claim me.

• 24:11Kylie Kelce?

  And that is.

• 24:12Speaker 04

  All of Philly.

• 24:13Kylie Kelce?

  That is the psychopath mentality of Philadelphia.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  I love it. I love it.

• 24:18Kylie Kelce?

  It's how we function. Um, now, back to the W for a minute. The finals just wrapped up by the end of this episode dropping. And all year, viewership records were broken again and again. What's it like to be part of the group of women that's moving the sport forward like this?

• 24:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I think it's just like, super cool. And even when I was in college, like, I think you don't always realize like, how many people like are actually watching and turning on the TV. And like, for me, like, when I kind of fully realized it was when I would see like the numbers up against like, you know, Masters Weekend or, uh, other college basketball games. Like, obviously, we can't really compete with the NFL. That's a different beast. But, uh, even like MLB games or other NBA games, like, the amount we're drawing on like a consistent basis is, is pretty incredible. And especially when we're on like, you know, NBC and ABC and ESPN, like, we have really, really great numbers. So, um, it's just been fun. Like, it's been consistent. There's been

• 25:21Speaker 04

  a consistent growth about it. And, um, people like always ask me like where I think it's gonna go. I'm like, I really think we're scratching the surface. And obviously, like we've talked about, like, we're only adding more teams and, you know, it's, it's becoming more and more fun. We'll play more games. Like, next year, we're going from 44 games to 50 games. I think like the next step after that, like, right now, the playoffs are like a three game series and a five game series and a seven game series. So like, that probably needs to change. Like, a three game series is a little bit silly, in my opinion. It could probably be five, five, seven, or five, seven, seven. Just so it feels like you're getting like a real like series and like a real battle between those two teams. So, um, but no, it's, it's been, it's been fun. And it's been, you know, cool just to see all the fandom and people love it. And it seems like when people

• 26:06Speaker 04

  like turn on the TV and watch once, they kind of get hooked and, you know, they want to watch more.

• 26:10Kylie Kelce?

  Game six is currently happening.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was looking at the score on my phone.

• 26:14Kylie Kelce?

  We're probably about to have our first ever game seven in the W history. How cool is it to see the competition reach this level?

• 26:24Speaker 04

  Man, it's, it's super cool. And I think like, the best part about this final series is that the Valkyries are in it because like, they've been a franchise for two years. Like, I don't think people realize how ridiculous that is, that they've been able to put together a roster and run an organization as well as they have. And for Natalie, their coach, to get everybody to buy in, to get everybody to believe. And, um, you know, they have really, really, really talented players. But at the same time, like, on any given night, any of them can have, you know, 20 points and be the star. And it seems like, nobody's bothered by that. Like, that's just how they are. They're a close knit team. So I think that's like the coolest storyline of this finals is just what Golden State's been able to, to do. And, you know, such a short

• 27:08Speaker 04

  period of time, like two years and to be playing in the finals, like, that's a win in itself. So, not many expansion teams can, can have those sort of expectations. But I remember their owner at like, when they were going through like, I don't know, like their announcement of becoming a team. Like, he literally said on stage, like, we're gonna win a championship in five years or less. And I was like, oh.

• 27:30Kylie Kelce?

  Manifesting at its finest.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  I was like, I love that. And here we are, like, two years later. I'm like, well, do I love that? Cause I'm not playing, but they are. But that's still awesome. Like, good for them. But no, it's been cool.

• 27:43Kylie Kelce?

  I do think it's really cool to see, like, the beginning of this boom right now, that people at the beginning, some would say the haters, were saying, like, this is bound to drop off. Like, this is just another, another surge. Like, it, it very much had this sense of, just wait a minute and it'll die back down. And you guys are basically telling it, those people to.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:11Kylie Kelce?

  Because it really, it, it just continues. Like I said, you're continuing to break record after record. Um, now, speaking of the competition on the court, I have to say, I do love trash talk. I love it. I never participated in it, but I like hearing it and I like enjoying other people doing it.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  You were a trash talker?

• 28:31Kylie Kelce?

  I was not. I was silent. I was silent. I would, I would smile or laugh. Those were my only two reactions.

• 28:38Speaker 04

  That's how you should be.

• 28:39Kylie Kelce?

  Um, now, you're underrated in your trash talk. Is this correct?

• 28:46Speaker 04

  See, people like always think that I'm like a trash talker. I don't even think I really am.

• 28:50Kylie Kelce?

  Do you, do you talk to people?

• 28:51Speaker 04

  I don't really like to talk trash. Like, it's, like, I don't really say anything to people. Like, I feel like I only get like, really hyped. Like, when like, say I make like three threes in a row, I'm like, oh yeah, like you can't guard that or like something like that. But like, in a fun way, like, there was a clip that went viral last year when we played the Liberty. And I made a three over Stewie. And like, me and Stewie just both started laughing. Like.

• 29:15Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  Cause it was funny. Like, those are the fun moments. But I don't like, really like trash talk like that, honestly. I mean, if somebody says something to me, like, I'll probably go back. Honestly, the people I talk to the most is the refs, which I need to do better at. So, maybe I should, I should chill on that a little bit, but, um, no, I love the competitive spirit of everybody in the league.

• 29:35Kylie Kelce?

  When you hear trash talkers, or someone that is someone that you do think of?

• 29:43Speaker 04

  People don't really talk trash to me.

• 29:48Kylie Kelce?

  What a flex.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  I don't think.

• 29:49Kylie Kelce?

  People don't talk trash to me. They know it's only gonna piss me off and make their day worse.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, like I, I like that. To be honest, like I want you to say something to me like, and I try to honestly like do my best to like just act like I can't hear. I love that. I think that's funny. Like, oh shoot, like I can't hear. I have really bad hearing to start with. So like I just like, I just act that way. No, I do. I promise. I promise. I like ruptured my eardrums multiple times. So like you get permanent hearing loss, but, um, no, I just try to act like I can't hear. And then like, they're like, that makes me more mad. So that's just what I try to do.

• 30:23Kylie Kelce?

  I think that's why I enjoyed like a good smile or a laugh. Because it only pissed him off more.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  That's what you should do.

• 30:29Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, it feels good that way.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  Keep it focused.

• 30:32Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. Um, I will say, I had, um, I went to the, the Sixers game and had the opportunity to sit courtside, which was a fascinating experience. Listening to the amount of shit that was said.

• 30:44Speaker 04

  It is an unreal experience, but it's also hilarious.

• 30:47Kylie Kelce?

  It was so funny. The amount of chatter that was happening on the court. I was like,

• 30:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:51Kylie Kelce?

  There was one moment, I don't even know what was said to make him say it, but LeBron was, was preparing for a free throw and literally went, I'm 42, man. And then like, like literally just put the ball up and I was like, what's happening out there? What's he doing?

• 31:06Speaker 04

  A lot, a lot.

• 31:07Kylie Kelce?

  A lot, a lot was happening. Now, I'm not sure if you saw this at the time, uh, I had Dawn Staley on, which was incredible. Much like all of my other guests, including you, no, no clue why she came here, but she came and it was lovely. She told me you were the toughest player to game plan for in the NCAA. Did you see that quote?

• 31:32Speaker 04

  I think I saw that.

• 31:32Kylie Kelce?

  What does that mean coming from someone like Dawn Staley?

• 31:36Speaker 04

  Man, well, I honestly just like, I didn't even know what I was gonna do half the time. So it kind of makes sense. I was just trying things. Um, but obviously it's super cool. I mean, what she's been able to do at South Carolina and you know, the amount of championships that they've won and the amount of really talented players that she's, you know, been able to bring there and then put into the league. And obviously like we talk about Philly and the rich tradition in women's basketball, like she's up there with the best of them. So, um, you know, it speaks to, to her and what she's been able to do. And honestly, her staff too. Like she has a great staff at South Carolina and, you know, we beat them my junior year and then obviously lost my senior year in the national championship. They got a little bit of revenge on us, but, um, no, those battles were always fun. Um,

• 32:20Speaker 04

  honestly, like the 40 point triple double, I think it was a triple double or maybe it was just 40 points. I don't remember. But, uh, my junior, it was probably one of the most fun games I've ever played in. And just the team and the amount of talent that they had was, I remember, uh, so this was in Dallas, my junior year. I remember they ran out on the court and I like, looked at them and I was like, turned to one of my teammates and I was like, I was like, they're enormous. I'm like, this is gonna be a long night. And we somehow like managed to like find a way to win. I think we were like a 10 and a half point underdog. It was, it was kind of crazy, but I think in college, like in college, like, and it's even this kind, basically the same professionally, like,

• 32:59Speaker 04

  we didn't like run like plays, like we kind of just like played off of each other and we cut and we screened. So like, it's not like something you can like almost prepare for in a way. Cause you don't know what we're gonna do. And then on top of that, I kind of just did whatever. So, and it would usually work out pretty well. Um, but no, it's, it's super cool. And I obviously respect Coach Staley a lot. So, uh, it was cool that she said that.

• 33:23Kylie Kelce?

  Now, who would you say are the toughest players for you to game plan against now?

• 33:29Speaker 04

  Oh gosh, in the W definitely Asia. I think that would probably be everybody's answer. Like just like so difficult. Um, just her size, her physicality, her athleticism. She can make a mid-range jump shot super consistently. She can stretch the floor when she wants to, and she can finish around the rim really well. Um, so probably that. And like, she's one of those players, like, I think especially because that's what we lost to this year in the first round. It's like one of those where like, when you let a player like that see the first couple of baskets go in, like, it's like, ah, like it's gonna be a long night. Like you, you're gonna have 30, like it is what it is. So, that's like, well, we did well in game two, the game that we won, like we made it difficult on her from the start.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  Um, and then in game one, game three is like, she kind of just had her way and it was what it was. Uh, you know, it's usually she's gonna get what she, she gets and you kind of have to try to limit everybody else, but I would say probably her. And then, I honestly see this answer a lot from a lot of other players in the league. Like people think that my teammate, Kelsey Mitchell is one of the hardest players in the league to guard just because of her speed. Um, and the way she finishes around the rim and shoots the ball. So, but I would say for us, like our team, like definitely Asia.

• 34:38Kylie Kelce?

  Now, expanding the league obviously is one way to grow the game. I think fans are also loving the Team USA content. Uh, you guys just won gold at the FIBA World Cup. Does that get you even more excited for LA 2028?

• 34:52Speaker 04

  Oh yeah. Like that's obviously the goal to play in the Olympics in 2028. And I think for also it to be on like our home soil, like that's a once and, and not many people ever get that chance. First of all, not many people get to play in the Olympics. And then for the Olympics to be, you know, on home soil is, is pretty ridiculous. And I told, I've been telling a lot of people like, I feel like women's basketball has a chance to like really be like the premier sport of that Olympics. Like obviously all the sports are great and everybody gets excited about it. And men's basketball always, but like, I think women's basketball, like it will, it will probably be one of the hardest tickets of that Olympics. Just because I think the excitement and the growth of the game and even the growth of the game internationally, like,

• 35:36Speaker 04

  it's not like, it's not a cupcake. It's not like a walk to the finals for the United States anymore. Like, these games are really hard. Like you see it in the NBA with the amount of international talent, like really great European players coming over and it's the same in our game. Like it's only expanding more and more great German players, great Spanish players. Um, France is obviously really, really good. Um, there's just so many great teams now. Like it's, it's tough to win and yeah, the international game is so different than what the game we play in the WNBA. So, you know, it's, it's super exciting. Obviously I hope I'm there in 28 and, um, you know, I like, feel like the talent of, you know, the United States roster and the amount of great American players we have right now is

• 36:20Speaker 04

  maybe the best it's ever been. So we'll be a tough roster to make, but that's certainly the goal.

• 36:25Kylie Kelce?

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• 39:17Kylie Kelce?

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• 40:41Kylie Kelce?

  Now, uh, one of the things we mentioned at the top was, um, your book that you wrote.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:49Kylie Kelce?

  I know one way to my girls' hearts and really kids, like I always tell people, you don't need to, like you don't need to bring gifts when you come to our house. You really just like, if you come in, you sit down, you offer to like, read our girls a book. They will be like forever.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  All right, I'll come read them this book.

• 41:06Kylie Kelce?

  Like genuinely, we have like, obviously family will come and they'll bring this and they'll bring that. But like, when you come and you sit down, you read a book, I think it's like one of the best ways to connect with, to connect with kids. They have the opportunity to ask questions, learn. And your new children's book is like, the best example of that. It is called Extraordinary, A Little Extra to Reach Big Dreams. First of all, adorable.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, they did a great job with the illustrations.

• 41:36Kylie Kelce?

  It's officially out today, November 3rd, so you can get your copy now. Um, first of all, like what an incredible story. Um, I heard that you got this based on, uh, a mirror in your childhood bedroom?

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, and like this mirror that's on like the second page, or was it the third page? Like that photo, that's actually the mirror that's on my childhood bedroom back home. And it's still there, actually. My parents sold the house. Yeah. So it's still there. Um, my parents had this made before I actually was even born. So like, something that I feel like is super, like one of the best pieces of my childhood that I've like always had with me. And like, hopefully at one point, I'll be able to give that to my kids or, you know, whatever it is. But I feel like a lot of it is so true in my life. Like that was just like how I was raised, like to do a little extra, treat people with extra kindness, like do an extra rep when I was, you know, working on my, you know, game. When I got older and I was in college, like, that's always what it was. But I think at the same time,

• 42:37Speaker 04

  like, I had really great examples of that in my life, like my parents. And, um, you know, they were, you know, obviously you can like, tell your kids, do this, do that, do that. But like, when they actually see it every single day, and like, I saw it every single day by the way my parents lived. And they both worked really hard and they, they raised us in the right way. And I had two brothers that picked on me all the time. So, um, but no, it's, this was super fun to write and the illustrations are awesome. Like, I feel like a lot of the creativity and childlike spirit that I still have as I'm 24, like have come to life in this. So it's been a really fun project. And, um, you know, if I was gonna write a book, obviously I was gonna start with a children's book. Like, that's

• 43:18Speaker 04

  what I'm super passionate about is like, just inspiring the next generation. And, um, you know, as a young kid, I grew up always receiving a book on Christmas Eve from my mom. And like, that was always like, kind of started like, my, my joy of reading. I don't read quite as much as I probably should these days. Life gets busy. But, um, like, those are some of my favorite gifts over the holiday season that I've ever got. My mom would always write a note to me and my brothers on the inside of a book. And a lot of those books I still have on even my bookshelves that are under this mirror back home. So, um, I know this holiday season, I'll definitely probably like, be writing people notes on the inside of this book. Whether you're, whether you're 50 and you have young kids, I'll still give you one. Or to young individuals, like I have a lot of like,

• 44:01Speaker 04

  cousins that are now having children and things like that. And even like coaches that are having young children, like just to be able to give them this and something that they can hold on to, like, it's, it's just really fun. And obviously very different than basketball, but it's, it's been a really fun process.

• 44:16Kylie Kelce?

  I think it's, uh, it's funny, you say that you don't read as much as you probably should. I am not like, uh, I'm not a novel reader. I'm not like a long book reader. Occasionally I will listen to a book if it's something that I really like, someone I really, really want to hear from. I love children's books. Like, we have so many in our house. It's kind of embarrassing. But when you, when you find ones with a great storyline, something that like, specifically the rhyming from the parents, from all the parents, thank you. Because it does, it does make it easier. Um, and it makes it flow a little bit better. And you can be a little more playful with it. And there's a little more whimsy to it. And it's, I'm, I'm so excited to share this book with our

• 44:59Kylie Kelce?

  girls. Cause I'm absolutely certain, it's just, like you said, another way for you to be able to inspire the youth because you're already doing it on the court. And now you're able to show like, books, reading, literacy, you have it all right here. Um, now, I do have to ask, what other memorable things did you have in your bedroom growing up? Were you a posters girl? Did you have like, did you have like a heartthrob up? Like, what was, what was going on?

• 45:26Speaker 04

  My whole bedroom was North Carolina themed. I was a huge North Carolina fan. One, because I loved Mia Hamm. Like, I loved, I was a huge Mia Hamm fan. And then number two, I loved North Carolina basketball. Like, they were the best when I was growing up and playing. And Harrison Barnes, who still plays in the NBA today, he was from Iowa originally. And obviously, like Iowa only had so many like, good male hoopers come out of there. Like, you weren't like a McDonald's All-American, and you usually weren't making it to the NBA. Like, here and there, we just certainly had those players. But it was fun as a young kid getting to grow up. And he was like, the number one recruit coming out of high school. I remember my dad took me to watch him play in the state tournament. That was like, I got to go watch basically LeBron at that point. That's what I thought I was doing.

• 46:10Speaker 04

  And so my whole room was North Carolina growing up. And my mom has since painted it back neutral colors. But it was, it was baby blue and baby blue and navy for a really long time. And baby blue is still my favorite color. But, um, North Carolina women's basketball program was never like, huge. They were like, kind of getting rebuilt when I was getting recruited. They're, they're good now. So like, I never really looked there as a player. And I, even if I was looking there, I probably wouldn't have ended up going there just because I wanted to stay closer to home. Um, but yeah, that's why I didn't look there as a, as a, as a recruit coming out of college. So it was kind of funny. I looked at Duke more than I looked at North Carolina, which was like, wow.

• 46:51Kylie Kelce?

  Wow, sacrilegious.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, literally. It's crazy.

• 46:56Kylie Kelce?

  Now, you, you keep, like, you talking about individuals from Iowa, your love of Iowa. Um, it's reminding me that I'm pretty sure I signed someone's ass from Iowa. Do you remember this? At the, at Beer Bowl. Jason was someone's ass.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 47:16Kylie Kelce?

  But I remember it because they were, I'm pretty sure they were, I'm, I'm gonna mess this. If it's not Iowa, I'm gonna be really disappointed myself.

• 47:23Speaker 04

  Iowa has a really good field hockey program. Like, really good.

• 47:27Kylie Kelce?

  Which is, which is extremely rare for that far.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  I know, for that region of the United States. Cause I, like, field hockey was not a thing. Like, that was not an option. I didn't know anybody that played field hockey. And then I got to college and it was like, all these girls from out east would come.

• 47:44Kylie Kelce?

  Pennsylvania, New Jersey, yup.

• 47:46Speaker 04

  Exactly. And they were like, so good. And actually, my roommate, my freshman year, I was supposed to be with a field hockey player, but then COVID happened. So we got split up. But, um, yeah, field hockey was a huge deal. So I know a little bit. I went to quite a few games, actually. You coached high school, don't you?

• 48:02Kylie Kelce?

  I still coach high school.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  How does that go?

• 48:06Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I love it. I love it.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Time for that.

• 48:09Kylie Kelce?

  That's a great question. I'd love to tell you.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  Or do you, or is it so you can get away from like Jason and the kids? It's like your escape.

• 48:17Kylie Kelce?

  I'll tell you what it is. I haven't had a fall without field hockey, either playing or coaching, since I was in seventh grade. So I.

• 48:24Speaker 04

  You can't part with it.

• 48:24Kylie Kelce?

  I can't do, my fall would be like, I'd be like, I don't know what to do with myself.

• 48:29Speaker 04

  Do you yell at the girls or what? Like, what's your coaching mentality?

• 48:32Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I have very strong expectations. The good news is, I've been in the, I've been in the position that I'm in for quite some time. So they, we have a culture set. Like, there's expectations. My seniors passes down to my freshmen. And, um, we have a lot of interaction between the JV and varsity. Like, we function as one unit. So I know my girls from when they're freshmen to when they're seniors. And we're not like, out here winning championships. A lot of my girls come out because they want a sport on their resume to college. And, and I understand that. But I also recognize like, everything I got from team sports and how that's helped me in life. And so I want to help them have those skills of just like, learning how to play on a

• 49:15Kylie Kelce?

  team, working towards a common goal, being respectful of your teammates, even if you're not best friends. Like, all of those things will follow them through life. And I want to make sure they get that. It's, it's tough. Um, the thing I do want to ask you about is the shoes.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  How could we forget about those?

• 49:33Kylie Kelce?

  Well, I can't forget about them because ever since I received a pair, thank you for that.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  Do you have a pair? Let's go. What color do you have?

• 49:42Kylie Kelce?

  Were they blue?

• 49:44Speaker 04

  Blue, probably, yeah.

• 49:45Kylie Kelce?

  I'm gonna be honest with you.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  You probably have the first ones.

• 49:48Kylie Kelce?

  I, the texture on them, insane.

• 49:53Speaker 04

  It is insane, especially when you see it up close. Like, a picture is one thing, but like, actually seeing it up close is different.

• 50:00Kylie Kelce?

  Seeing it up close and also like getting to put your hands on it, insane.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, it's great. We need to get you like the pink ones, or the purple ones, like, a little bit more of like a girly color, but like,

• 50:12Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  Not to be girly, but like, to be kind of like, you know, a boss. Exactly.

• 50:17Kylie Kelce?

  For sure. Um, now, it was the largest signature shoe launch in Nike history. The Caitlin One was available in 5,000 retail stores, twice the average for a Nike basketball signature shoe, male or female. That's insane. The Caitlin Ones sold out everywhere within two hours, all of them.

• 50:42Kylie Kelce?

  That's insane.

• 50:44Speaker 04

  It's hard, like, I feel bad. People are like, I need some shoes. I'm like, so do I, guys, so do I.

• 50:52Kylie Kelce?

  You're like, I'd love to give you shoes.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  It's been fun. It's been really fun.

• 50:57Kylie Kelce?

  That is, okay, first of all, we're seeing so many people wearing them, including some NBA players now. How does it feel to have such strong support from everyone and also even like the men wearing them? Like, how cool is that?

• 51:11Speaker 04

  It's so cool. I mean, like, I don't think I've ever, like, dreamed of, like, having a signature shoe and, like, having your own basketball shoe, which is like, kind of crazy because, like, as a basketball player, like, that's the only thing you ever want, like, your own basketball shoe. But when I was growing up, it was like, only, only men had their own signature shoe. Like, that wasn't really a thing. Like, there were some, you know, women's basketball players here and there that had theirs, but, um, you know, not to the level that you're seeing now, between like me and, you know, Asia has her own shoe, and Sabrina has her own shoe. Um, and then there's quite a few others that are with different brands, but, you know, there's like, I, I always wanted to be with Nike. Like, Nike's marketing's the best, their, you know, their technology that they put in the shoe and, you know, making sure it's the best product

• 51:55Speaker 04

  so you can perform at the highest level. But I think where myself, like, what you get, like, the product you get, like, it's all, like, I'm behind it. Like, it is, like, I don't know if every signature athlete's that way, but for me, like, I wanted people to feel like, I put a lot of time and effort into this and, like, you know, what I wear and what I'm, you know, trying to get out of the shoe is what the consumer is gonna get at the same time. And I think it's like, honestly, kind of similar to like, how I feel about the book. Like, I feel like, like, my childlike creativity kind of comes through. Like, there's so many shoes that are just bright colors and very vibrant, and it's fun. And like, it's a little bit different than what you've seen before, but at the same time, it's like, oh, that's like, that's a, that's a basketball shoe.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  And it's a really great basketball shoe. And I think like, one of the biggest compliments I've got from like, people that don't play basketball, that are wearing it, like, dang, this is like a really comfy shoe. And I'm like, yeah, I know, I told you. So, um, it's just been super cool and super fun.

• 52:48Kylie Kelce?

  What were some of the non-negotiables for that design process? Like, what were things that you were like, this is something I feel really strongly about?

• 52:55Speaker 04

  I mean, the designers probably think I'm very hard to work with because I was always like,

• 53:00Kylie Kelce?

  Good.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  Like, no, I'm like, no, I want this. Or like, no, I don't like that. Like, sorry, like, try again, or whatever. But when we first like, because one side of the shoe is C's and the other side of the shoe is like twos of that, like, texture. And like, when we first like, came up with that idea, I think they were all like, well, we've never done something like that. Like, I don't know how we're gonna make that come to life. Because you need, like, we're producing so many shoes. Like, you gotta be able to make this and make it affordable to buy for the consumer, but also for the company to make, and also for it to look cool and for it to even be able to be made, and then also to be able to play in it. So like, there's so many boxes you have to check. But when we first came up with that idea, I was like, oh, like, this, we might be on the right track here. And then obviously, when I saw it, I was like, yeah, this is, this is the one.

• 53:45Kylie Kelce?

  That's it.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  And I think when the, the, because the blue photo was the first photo that came out, and I think people were like, really excited. And they were like, oh, my gosh, this is great. But then as I continued to wear more colorways through the season, a lot of which aren't even out yet, which will become, you know, as we go through December and then into the new year, a lot more will come to market. But I think now that people like, actually have it and have it up close, like you said, like, they're like, dang, like, this is cooler than a photo looks or a video looks. So, um, it's been, it's been really fun. And there's so many more colors coming to life that I didn't even know you could put on a shoe. And I said, I always told them stuff from like, even like, two years ago, when we started like, coming up with ideas, and they were like, just trying to understand like, my style and what I wanted. And, you know, you do like these,

• 54:30Speaker 04

  you make like boards of like, materials you like and colors you like. It's like, they were all insane. Like, I was like, I want to go insane. I want the colors insane. I want the material insane. I want reflective. I want metallic. I want glow in the dark. I want fuzzy laces, like, all this crazy stuff. So, um, yeah, it's been, it's been cool.

• 54:48Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I know you probably can't reveal this, but I'm gonna ask anyway. We can bleep it. Just know that. We love to bleep shit out here.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  I'll tell you. It might be fun to post this and then bleep it. Oh, next year, okay, so next year, I'll play the beginning of the season in the, in the Caitlin One, and then we'll work into the Caitlin Two. I'm already working on the Caitlin Two. And that one's, it's good, too. Um, I would not disappoint my fans, okay?

• 55:14Kylie Kelce?

  So what color is that?

• 55:15Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm trying to think about like, ones that are coming up. I think there's this one that's like, kind of a summer vibe. It's like, you know, like a Rocket Pop, like a Rocket Popsicle, like a mom pop? It's like, based off of that, and it's, it's really cool. I was about to wear it this year, but I didn't. I think I'm gonna save it for next summer, so.

• 55:38Kylie Kelce?

  That'd be, that'd be so badass. To roll out for summer months.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  It's cool. And like, the sock liner's cool. Like, there's little like, pieces on it that are, are different. I'm trying to think about like, other ones that we have. I mean, there's so-

• 55:51Kylie Kelce?

  I love how excited you are about that.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Possibly, maybe like a collab shoe with, um, another big Nike name. People can guess.

• 55:59Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, okay.

• 56:01Speaker 04

  A collab basketball shoe, that would be pretty cool. I'm sure that would be hard to get. Um, what else do we have? Oh, there's some fun ones actually coming up for NBA All-Star, which will be in Phoenix this year. They always do like a, an All-Star pack, which some of them are harder to get, some of them are easier to get. Um, but they have some really, really fun colors for those. Um, so people have to keep their eyes on those.

• 56:23Kylie Kelce?

  So everyone needs to keep their eyes peeled, because we got a lot coming.

• 56:26Speaker 04

  There's so many. And then there's one coming for the holiday season that I know people are really excited about, that I teased actually in an, when I first announced my shoe in an Instagram dump. I put a, a Santa emoji over the shoe, so you couldn't see the shoe, but you knew it was like a Christmas themed one.

• 56:42Kylie Kelce?

  Sure. So it's coming.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  It's, oh, it's month away. Come on.

• 56:47Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, I like this.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  That's the problem. The Chiefs ones come out December 21st, and then there's also the, the holiday special drop. So either save your money or pick one. I don't know. I think save your money and buy them both. Come on, guys.

• 57:02Kylie Kelce?

  Start saving now.

• 57:04Speaker 04

  Save now.

• 57:06Kylie Kelce?

  Um, now, we talked about my mother-in-law coming to a Fever game earlier.

• 57:11Kylie Kelce?

  I, the, the W experience that I have had was a little W-adjacent. I had the absolute pleasure of going to, uh, Unrivaled when it came to Philadelphia. And I actually had the absolute pleasure, when I had Paige Becker's on the show, I asked, we, we discussed our love of Shirley Temples. And so I told her that when she came to Philadelphia for Unrivaled, that I would deliver her a Shirley Temple courtside.

• 57:37Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 57:38Kylie Kelce?

  I did.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  You followed through. I love it.

• 57:41Kylie Kelce?

  I have to. I'm a woman of my word. Now, if I come to a Fever game, what can I deliver to you?

• 57:51Speaker 04

  A warm chocolate chip cookie, not a warm oatmeal raisin cookie?

• 57:55Kylie Kelce?

  Easy. Now-

• 57:56Speaker 04

  Warm chocolate chip cookie. Do you cook? Do you bake or not?

• 57:58Kylie Kelce?

  Good God, no. I leave that up to other people who are way better at it. Um, I, I will say-

• 58:05Speaker 04

  I will take a warm Toll House chocolate chip cookie either. I'll accept that. That's easy.

• 58:11Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, done. I can get you a better cookie than a Toll House cookie, but yeah, sure. Question for you, because I feel very strongly about this. Flaky salt or no flaky salt?

• 58:23Speaker 04

  Flaky salt.

• 58:24Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much for saying that. Someone recently-

• 58:28Speaker 04

  I'm gonna eat the cookie without any flaky salt.

• 58:30Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna eat it and I'm not gonna complain.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Next level, come on.

• 58:33Kylie Kelce?

  Right?

• 58:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:34Kylie Kelce?

  It adds something that I cannot explain. Okay, a warm chocolate chip cookie. I can't wait.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. Or bring me a Philly cheesesteak. I love Philly cheesesteaks.

• 58:44Kylie Kelce?

  That's also easy.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  But I think that would be better if we just, I come to Philly, we do a Philly cheesesteak.

• 58:49Kylie Kelce?

  I agree with you.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  Tour. We'll, we'll record it. We'll go to all the places. Every Philly cheesesteak shop can pitch us. They can tell us why it's the best. And we'll review them, honestly.

• 59:00Kylie Kelce?

  This is great. Um, we, uh, I will say, I am gonna ask you for some advice on my shot, though.

• 59:08Speaker 04

  All right.

• 59:08Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, because it's garbage.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll teach you. We'll work on it.

• 59:12Kylie Kelce?

  You have your work cut out for you. Um, the last thing I'm going to ask is, um, you've been to a lot of Chief games. And, uh, I won't tell Travis, either way. But is Travis your favorite Chiefs player of all time?

• 59:29Speaker 04

  Come on, of course. He is. I was like a Tony Gonzalez fan when I was growing up, too. But no, Trav is definitely my favorite Chiefs player of all time, and Patrick is right behind him. So, but it's been very fun to follow, kind of like-

• 59:44Kylie Kelce?

  Aren't they so much fun to watch?

• 59:46Speaker 04

  It's just like, they just make it look so easy. Obviously, this, the Seahawks game the other, other week wasn't great for us, but it's all right. The Seahawks are pretty good. But it's been fun to kind of see them, like, to have the bounce back year that they have had. Obviously, last year was tough with the injuries and everything, but I'm feeling good about it this year. Chiefs Super Bowl 2027, isn't it's played in the new year, so.

• 1:00:08Kylie Kelce?

  Well, I-

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Feel good about it.

• 1:00:10Kylie Kelce?

  I am so grateful to you. I will tell you, go Chiefs. Um, I cannot thank you enough for coming on today. And remember, Real Ones, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, make sure you go get Caitlin's brand new children's book, Extraordinary, out now.

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, go get it. I appreciate you. It was fun. Thanks for having me.

• 1:00:29Kylie Kelce?

  This was so much fun. I am, I, the girls are gonna love this. I can't wait. I do think it's crazy that we haven't actually met in person. Do you know the number of people who are like-

• 1:00:36Speaker 04

  I have met you in a way, though.

• 1:00:38Kylie Kelce?

  Well, the number of people who just say it to me, and they're like, yeah, Caitlin. And I'm like, you keep using only her first name. I haven't met her yet. But maybe we'll see each other in Philadelphia for some cheesesteak.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  Exactly. If I'm in Philly, we'll do the, we'll do the cheesesteak review.

• 1:00:52Kylie Kelce?

  Please tell me.

• 1:00:53Speaker 04

  It'll be good content.

• 1:00:54Kylie Kelce?

  It will be such good content. Um, this was such a pleasure. Thank you so much.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

• 1:01:00Kylie Kelce?

  And that's it for this special Caitlin Clark bonus episode of Not Gonna Lie. Follow us on social media, at NGLwithKylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Reminder, check out our brand new NGL Fall Merch Collection, available right now, Real Ones. Go to NGLKylie.com. Guys, we heard you and we did it. We got SMA merch. Get your hands on some. Wear it to a business meeting, out to dinner, around your house. Send us pics of you in it, though. We'd love to know where you're saying SMA in the wild. Seriously, just tell people to suck your ass. It's fun. The rest of the collection is also great, of course, but there's literally a sweatshirt that says SMA.

• 1:01:43Kylie Kelce?

  It's subtle enough to wear in front of kids and direct enough to get your point across. You know what I mean? That's how we like it. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original, brought to you by Xfinity. I'll be back with a brand new episode this Thursday. That's right, as in two days from now. So make sure you check that out. And thanks again to the Real Ones for tuning in.