Welcome to the New Phase of Global Power—Tariff Chaos, AI War Games & the Fight for Control | The Tom Bilyeu Show

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• 1:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Tariff hokey pokey continues. Trump offers a 90-day reprieve to everyone but China. Stock markets surge on the news. AOC points out blatant congressional insider trading. Mr. Wonderful demands more tariffs on China now. Victor Davis Hansen breaks down how AI automation and tariffs go hand in hand. And Elon prepares to launch Earth-to-Earth travel via rockets. Katy Perry gets ready to go to space. And Optimus Robots get ready for a trip to Mars. Drew, do you like dancing the hokey pokey?

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Um, do you, so was it, uh, put your left hand in, put your left hand out?

• 2:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Put your tariffs in and you shake them all about, Drew.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  So now Trump is turning himself around.

• 2:17Tom Bilyeu?

  This, oh, boy. Oh, boy.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  He recently announced the 90-day pause for the reciprocal tariffs. The blanket 10% is staying, and he's saying he's negotiating with up to 70 countries. China, though, as of today, because news is traveling fast, it's at 145% right now.

• 2:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Tariffs.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Tariffs on China specifically. Everybody else has gotten a 90-day pause outside of that blanket 10%. What's your initial read on his pause and the stock market reaction?

• 2:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, well, okay, so first, let's start with this is economic warfare. If you ever wondered what it looked like, it looks like this. This is what happens when great powers collide. Nobody wants to be the loser. Nobody wants to accept second place. People are not going to take a realistic assessment of where they are. They're going to do battle. We obviously always hope that this does not continue to escalate or to spill over. But it is happening right now. And so I don't know where this settles out, because now you're into the humanity of it all. You're into the cultural sense of, uh, does either side feel like they can back down? Both sides are going to be playing to their constituents. Both sides are playing to their own personalities. Both sides are playing to the cultural expectations.

• 3:26Tom Bilyeu?

  And that's just, it's too complicated of a game to know how this is going to play out. During the live, you pulled up a graph that I thought was really instructive. And so I bring that up now. This is exactly what Scott Besant was trying to warn people about. When he said, hey, they were obviously talking to China primarily. And I want everybody to be very clear. The reason that China doesn't get a reprieve here is this whole battle is about the US versus China. Who is going to be in economic first place? That is the game. And China's been playing a very slow burn game for a very long term with a long-term goal of being the world's dominant economic power. Cert, yes, the world's dominant economic power, full stop. It might be true that they are perfectly happy to just take their region of influence.

• 4:11Tom Bilyeu?

  But given how active they've been in South America, I don't know how much credence to put into that. But Scott Besant was trying to tell people.

• 4:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Dear China, by way of a comment to everybody, don't retaliate. And the reason you don't want to retaliate is the graph on your screen, which shows the amount of things that China imports or exports to us, and the amount that we export to China. And it is dramatically different. So China is exporting way more to us than we export to China. So when you go into a head-to-head economic battle, and the playground is who's going to get the higher tariff, meaning whose goods become more expensive in the other person's country, it will just do wildly disproportionate damage to China. China has something in their back pocket, which is we manufacture your stuff.

• 5:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So play with us at your peril. And this is where you just don't know where the upper bounds are of the escalation. Will China break first? Where they are tariffing our goods so heavily, or I should say, they are making us so angry, however they do it, they're making us so angry that we raise the prices of their goods so high that now they're forced to either dump them on their own country, neighboring countries, other countries that they already have relationships with. Because if that ends up being the case, you get into the deflationary spiral that we've talked about before. Longtime listeners of the show will understand, I try to be very careful to distinguish between a crisis-led deflationary event,

• 5:48Tom Bilyeu?

  bad, and innovation-led deflation, good. So this would very much fall into the crisis-led deflationary camp. This would not be good. And it won't be good on either side. We will both have a problem. But the US has a far smaller problem in that if we're able to isolate the goods that we must have versus the goods that we want, then we're going to be in a position where, sure, flat screens and technology and things that we've outsourced the manufacturing of to China, those are going to go up, way up, if we continue in this battle. But if the things that you really need, food being the most obvious...

• 6:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Energy prices, that is a huge one. If those remain low, but discretionary goods become expensive and flip that and China just has economic collapses and exaggeration, but extreme economic pain, then it's very possible, and again, this is what Besen was warning about, that we will be able to go much farther, much longer with less damage to our economy, less damage to our way of life than the Chinese will be able to do. And if the Trump administration, if, if they're able to relegate the damage to discretionary goods and the stock market, we'll probably be fine. And we'll play a clip later from Victor Davis Hansen.

• 7:14Tom Bilyeu?

  He does an incredible job of outlining how the people screaming about the stock market in the US are basically 10% of the population. 90% cares a lot less. 50% basically don't care at all. They have an intellectual understanding of why it matters, but it doesn't affect their lives because they don't own any stocks whatsoever. So if you're able, if we, America, are able to damage the overall Chinese economy and China is only able to damage our discretionary purchases and our stock market, we're probably in a pretty good place to be able to outlast them. It will suck, it will be bad, and the thing that you really risk is a global recession. Setting that aside for a second. So that's how I come into interpreting the things that Trump is doing.

• 7:58Tom Bilyeu?

  I am not saying this is wise. I am not saying this is the right way to handle it. We're going to play Victor Davis Hansen, who gives a really, I think, eloquent breakdown of how this plays out. But if you understand that that is the table as it is set in Trump's mind, Xi Jinping's mind, you understand that these are people that are arguing not just from an economic standpoint, but from an ego standpoint, you're going to have much higher predictive validity.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, and some people wanted to go even further with Mr. Wonderful going on CNN calling for a 400% tariff.

• 8:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this is interesting. So this reveals some of the underlying animosity that people will be wise to put into their interpretation engine or their prediction engine, better way of saying it, that, um, okay, Trump has an ego that causes him to act in a certain way. Xi Jinping has an ego that causes him to act in a certain way. Mr. Wonderful just wears it on his sleeve in this clip.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  104% tariffs in China are not enough. I'm advocating 400%. I do business in China. They don't play by the rules. They've been in the WTO for decades. They have never abided by any of the rules they agreed to when they came in for decades. They cheat, they steal, they steal IP. I can't litigate in their courts. They take product, technology, they steal it, they manufacture it, sell it back here. Never has an administration-

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Can America do 400% tariffs? What would that look like?

• 9:26Speaker 03

  I want Xi on an airplane to Washington to level the playing field. This is not about tariffs anymore. Nobody has taken on China yet, not the Europeans, no administration for decades. As someone who actually does business there, I've had enough. I speak for millions of Americans who have IP that have been stolen by the Chinese. I have nothing against the Chinese people. They brought great literacy, art, and tech to the world. The government cheats and steals and finally, an administration, you may not like Trump, you may not like his style or his rhetoric, finally, an administration that puts up and says enough.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  400% tariffs tomorrow morning. He'll tell you why. Xi can only stay the supreme leader if people are employed. If we wipe out any business there because we are still 39% of all consumables on earth and 25% of the world's GDP, America is the number one economy on earth with all the cards. We will not have that forever. It's time to squeeze Chinese heads into the wall now.

• 10:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Ah, so I don't think it will surprise anybody that I hate language like squeeze Chinese heads into a wall. Uh, but-

• 10:47Tom Bilyeu?

  The reason I wanted to play that clip is he's just wearing his emotion on his sleeve. So if you've ever gotten into a physical altercation, you know, there comes a moment where you're just like, I've had enough and I'm now going to throw the first punch and come what may. And the question with Trump is, is this a street yard brawl? Where he's not thinking farther down the road and it's literally, I can't take it anymore. I am punching you in the face and I'm punching you in the face right now. And all I've thought about is how hard I'm going to punch you in the face. And then, oh shit, the fact that you're a jujitsu practitioner and you take it to the ground, I didn't think that far. Or is this an MMA cage fight where he's been training for months?

• 11:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Or in his case, he's been talking about China for 40 years. He's been talking about tariffs, that's more accurate, for 40 years. And that he's watched the tape and thought about this and he's got a game plan like George St Pierre, where it's like, okay, if they take it to the ground, I'm going to do this. If they want to fight standing, I'm going to do this. And that is the debate. And my, like, if people want to know what my prediction is of how this plays out, I think Trump loses at the midterms and this just plays out like it traditionally does. But I think, meaning that if you look at the math, it's like, people almost always lose. If they have both the House and the Senate, they lose one of them at the midterms. It's like ridiculous, like 70% or 75%, whatever it's high.

• 12:14Tom Bilyeu?

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• 14:47Tom Bilyeu?

  I've talked endlessly about the things that we have to address. And certainly if you want to push me on the ought part, I'll happily talk about it. But with the is part, it goes something like this. I have thought about this. This is Trump. I've thought about this a lot. And I understand that graph that we put up and I understand that I've, we collectively have had a As Americans, we are not going to allow ourselves as we march forward to be put in a worse and worse position by the day. We probably should have taken the stand back in the 90s when they were far less economically powerful than they are now. They are becoming economically as powerful or maybe even more powerful than us. They are from a Navy perspective, they are outbuilding us something like 20 to one.

• 15:29Tom Bilyeu?

  It is not a small amount like they are absolutely slaughtering us. Historically, whoever controls the seas, controls the world. So there's no way I am aware of all this stuff and Trump isn't. So he is obviously operating inside of this. And whether his plans work or not, I think it is patently absurd to take a guy that's been beating the tariff drum for literally at least three decades. It might be more and say he hasn't thought about this. He could be wrong about how this will play out. But to say, no, this is just a schoolyard fight. He's just punched you in the nose and he hasn't thought about anything else. That that is a that has so little predictive validity.

• 16:13Tom Bilyeu?

  So I have a feeling that he's got a shot. If he can get a major partner to come into this and agree to the new world order, let's call it, that then people are going to fall like dominoes.

• 16:32Tom Bilyeu?

  But the first thing we're going to see is we just punch China. China has punched us back. We punched China again, we're now at 145% tariffs. How many more blows are thrown? But if you don't understand the Mr. Wonderful, I've had enough of it all. None of this is going to make sense. And the reason I have no idea if this is going to work is I know some portion of what's driving Trump isn't the game plan. It's the I've been punched in the face. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. And people tend to act crazy. And so the more China punches back, the less likely he is to stick with the game plan. And so a lot of times you'll see MMA fighters. This is why George St Pierre was so unbelievable in his prime. Like take the Matt Sarah fight, goes against Matt Sarah, gets.

• 17:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Beat crazy. No one expects it. Insane upset. Fights him again and just dismantles him. And he was like, oh, I had the wrong game plan the first time. And the second time I just wasn't sucked into any of the problems. I did my game plan and that was that. And he was so calculated. Trump isn't like that constitutionally. Like he's an emotional fighter. So I think he has a game plan. I think he's thought a lot about this. And I, and I think he's prone to getting mad and behaving emotionally. And so that feels like the right milieu of how this is gonna play out. That feels like it has high predictive validity. We'll see. Now we're all, again, I plan to flag as to where I think we are largely so I can find out if I'm thinking clearly because it will have so many benefits moving forward.

• 18:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, full stop. That's where I'm at. Any, any pushback you, you can feel coming from the community on that?

• 18:09Speaker 02

  It just seems like to have tariffs in place, let's call them roughly five days, four days. I'll give the announcement a couple of grace and then immediately pull them back. It does seem erratic. It doesn't seem like it's a calculated plan.

• 18:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Have you? Sorry.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, as you laid it out, it seems as if he was doing that in order to get those leaders' phone calls. It, it seems like a sledgehammer to, for a regular hammer job, like he's using a sledgehammer to hang up a pitcher, which I guess you can use. It just seemed a bit jarring.

• 18:41Tom Bilyeu?

  That, that's me.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  And the markets reacted and the markets reacted to it.

• 18:44Tom Bilyeu?

  That is the right way to think about this moment. This is why I think Victor Davis Hansen has the best take I've heard on this. We'll play that in a second.

• 18:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think that there is a lot of argumentation to say, is this the right game plan? So I agreed we need, if somebody is saying, I agree, we need to be in the fight. I agree, we need to cause enough pain to China that they no longer want to fight us. I disagree that you want to just straight jab to the nose. That's dumb. He should have done something far more sneaky. Okay, here's where I will say, here is a way to interpret Trump. I'm not saying this is exactly what's happening. In fact, the closest thing to my, my real naked belief about what I think is happening is what I was just saying. He's thought about it for a long time, but he's an emotional fighter. And so I don't know if he's already gotten sucked into the emotion, if this is still part of the plan. I don't know that it'll

• 19:35Tom Bilyeu?

  be entirely clear when it becomes pure emotion or not. We could already be there. But if I were writing him as a character and I wanted to say, okay, option number one, he's just purely in the emotion and so he's going to keep rationing out because he has painted himself into that corner constitutionally. That's how he's built. Another way would be to say, he's sitting in a room with Scott Besant, he's sitting in a room with Howard Letnick, he's sitting in a room with Elon Musk, he's getting a lot of voices that are giving him angles on how this could play out. And I guarantee Besant, because he said it to the public, is going to be something along the lines of, okay, Trump, if you insist, because I have a feeling Besant would have played this way more calmly, me mind reading,

• 20:19Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know that, but that's my gut instinct about him. Okay, Trump, understood, you want to go crazy. So we are going to go in and we are going to throw the first punch and that if I have to make that work, let me give you some predictions about what you're going to have to do. Destabilize the market. You're going to have to confuse people. Because the market that you're going to destabilize is only the stock market. The actual day to day prices, as long as we are very careful, and Howard Letnick talked openly about this, if you can't make a mango in America, don't fucking tariff a mango. So this is where the blanket tariff thing is like, hey, guys, remember when you talked

• 21:02Tom Bilyeu?

  about that? I really hope that you've got some caveats for that down the road. Now, we could already be in pure emotion. I want to be very clear about that. But I know Letnick's in his ear saying, don't tariff things that we can't do. So again, I'm a sci fi writer. I am talking to you about what could be true. Hey, Trump, create instability in the market because what that's really going to mess with in the short term is it's going to mess with two things discretionary spending and the stock market. Those don't really matter. As long as we've got like the core, core things, we're going to be fine because of the thing that we put on screen about how much more pain we can levy against China versus how much pain they can levy against us.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  500 billion versus 100 billion.

• 21:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Exactly. So this is just a very, very different game. So we will see. If it is that, then it's the tariff hokey pokey to confuse the market to let people know I'm serious. Because if you go back and listen to the things that I was saying in the beginning, and again, I do not prize myself on being right, but I do want to know what things I understood well at the time. And I said, Trump is going to be forced into a position where he's going to have to show I'm not bluffing.

• 22:10Tom Bilyeu?

  But I do think that most of these things are either based on discretionary spending, or they're going to be short term. If they are neither discretionary spending only, or they become long term, he's fucked up. And if people want to know where I'm like, uh, mistake catastrophic problem being created. My prediction is if you do those two things, they're forever and they're blanket. Regardless of whether this is a thing you have to have in your life. That's where I'm like, you, you push America for sure into a recession. You could cause a global recession. That would obviously have been moronic. And then it's just like, hey, what you did was stupid. You either had a dumb aim or you had a good aim and you executed poorly.

• 22:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, that's just, that's very simple and clean for me. Okay, so that is a potential read. And I do think if you're going to come back out to the highest level, it is either we're already in pure emotion or he's playing that game. He has to knock you off balance. He has to keep you guessing so that you know, I really will put these tariffs. And then everybody goes, will he leave him on? Because you've got to get a major player. It's clearly not trying to. He is not, he is not interested in easy reconciliation with China. I will say that. I think he will use far easier reconciliation with other countries that he knows he has in a far, he's in a much better position against them, or America's in a much better position against them.

• 23:39Tom Bilyeu?

  To show the world, see, look how well I'm treating, let's just say Japan. Look how well I'm treating Japan. Japan economy is loving the way that we are now. We've come to a balanced agreement. America feels good. Japan feels good. Don't you want to be like Japan? And then one by one, everybody goes, I don't know. Maybe we really are in a better position if we go with America. It's like, and some number of dominos will fall. I don't think the answer is zero. I don't think the answer is a hundred percent. I think some people will choose China and be like, no, I'm probably better off going with them. Some people will choose America. If you get enough of those dominos falling, you can continue to isolate China.

• 24:19Tom Bilyeu?

  If you can isolate China and they have but a small handful, like if this ends up being China, Russia, Iran, and a couple other small players like.

• 24:30Tom Bilyeu?

  They're gonna be in trouble.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. It seems with his responses, taking the 90 day pause with all our allied countries, Canada, Euro, things like that, and ramping them up against China, that this whole thing was never about America versus Canada, or America versus the EU. Yes, we want to fade a more fair agreement, but I think this was a US v China, and we just had to do these other things to get to that point. Yet, because I feel like if we would have went directly to negotiations with China, it wouldn't have been as good as if he didn't cause the global economy in the chaos, and then set that table to now let's negotiate. You see what I just did, things like that.

• 25:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. So I remember when I was a kid and I was being picked on, uh, my dad said, punch one kid in the nose, really hard. And if you do that, everybody looks and goes, oh, this isn't the kid you play with. And I wish I had a cool story where I go and punch somebody in the nose. I chose the path of comedy, which also works, by the way. Uh, and that is a read on what Trump is doing. Admittedly, this is one I think he actually is doing. I think he completely understands this. Uh, and you reel the biggest bully on the world stage, and you say, nope, America's the big boy. It's not China. And I think

• 25:51Tom Bilyeu?

  constitutionally, that matches what Trump is about. And you try to get everybody else to line up behind that. And now you can get, um, you can actually begin to put yourself in a stronger and stronger situation. But the goal is really a, a true new world order. So when you look at Canada and Mexico, it's part of the destabilization strategy. You've got to throw punches, freak everybody out, let them know that you're serious. Um, and if it's like, damn, they'll tariff China, or sorry, they'll tariff Canada, they'll tariff Mexico? Like, fuck, what are they gonna do to us? But honestly, if I'm being, and this is me being very generous, if I'm being generous, I go, you can't just block China. In fact,

• 26:33Tom Bilyeu?

  if you're trying to build a map of what has high predictive validity, a new idea that's really begun to take shape. For me is that understanding that Trump is trying to close off backdoor access to China as well as the front door, that the non tariff trade barriers are a huge part. Again, whether he's right or wrong, I'm not commenting on it. I'm just saying this is how I think he's thinking. This feels the most accurate. I can look backwards and go, oh, if he believes that there are all these backdoors that he's also got to close, all of a sudden going after especially Mexico, going after Mexico makes a lot of sense.

• 27:13Tom Bilyeu?

  You have to like, you can build it up based on his beliefs that they're using the southern border to send Mexican. They're using the southern border to send Chinese nationals into the country. They're using the southern border to bring in drugs into the country. They're using places like Singapore to get the chips that we have embargoed into China. That they're just a whole bunch of places are using these backdoors to China. And I've got to shut all that down and I've got to let people know that I'm fucking serious. All of the sudden it's like, okay, that tracks to that way of thinking. Again, whether it works or not is a totally different question.

• 27:49Tom Bilyeu?

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• 27:56Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, we're back. Let's get into it.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  All right, let's jump to Victor Davis Hansen's point. He was on Piers Morgan. Trump understands he's got to get along with him. So what I'm getting at is all these countries know what they're doing. And all the economists, the Wall Street Journal economists are saying, well, trade deficits don't matter and everything. But when you talk to these people, you say, well, all the economists, the United States say trade deficits are either good or irrelevant. Why don't you run one then? And we'll, we'll, we'll be the surplus, the stupid people, and you be the smart people and run trade deficit. Nobody thinks that's compelling. So we got all the economists up here saying trade deficits are irrelevant or they're going to hurt us. But we have all the other countries economists say, well, we don't want to do what you do.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  And then the second thing is, we've got, we've got 10% of the people in the country that own 93% of the market capitalization of the country and 50% have 1%. And they're looking at other indicators. They're looking at 93,000 jobs that we didn't expect over estimates in March. They're looking at the March inflation rate, which was annualized at 2.6. They're looking at lower, lower oil prices. And they don't, they, they're not in the same panic as the, they understand the stocks are absolutely important for the health of the country, but they're not as hysterical or frenzied as this 10% that, that have lost their minds.

• 29:21Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that is an absolutely incredible, very insightful take. Uh, Ed, I can't remember if it was right before this or after this, he, um, he gives a breakdown of a more sensible, let's say, way forward where you do things in tranches. You don't go all the way. So to your earlier point about, okay, bro, like this could have been done with a hammer. You didn't need a sledgehammer. This is crazy. There's going to be shrapnel. There's going to be unnecessary damage. What are you doing? I think there's a very reasonable argument to be made that, uh, yeah, this is right idea, shame about the execution. Uh, that, I think that that may have been far wiser,

• 30:03Tom Bilyeu?

  but we did not elect that man. That is not the person that we have in the Oval Office. The person that we have is the sledgehammer guy. And so would it have been better to roll this out in phases? Yeah, probably. And you basically boil the frog by first saying, uh, all we want are zero tariffs. Everybody's on board with Trump when he talks about, we want tariffs to be reciprocal. Like if they'll go to zero, we'll go to zero. We're, we're just matching. This is, this is about fairness. But he went all the way to, hey, there's all these non-tariff trade barriers. This is all a thing and these guys are just trying to screw us. And people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're tanking the market. You're going so hard. I get why people are freaking out. Like you can't do, it's like, you've got to take

• 30:47Tom Bilyeu?

  people one step at a time. And so I think that historians are going to look back on this moment and they're going to say, America had to act. America had to do something for all the things we talked about here. Debt, uh, Thucydides' trap. We're declining. China's rising. What do you do about that? Nobody's just going to accept defeat. So they had to act. They had to do something.

• 31:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Manufacturing, getting hollowed out from a "they can choke us out" perspective. Forget the even the emotional toll of there are so many people that just they're the the way that they interface with the world is to use their hands to do more physical things and forget that, just like you can get choked out from you can't make the things that you need to make in a war being the most obvious one. So you had to act, but was there a more sensible way where you could do this? Just start with reciprocal. Everybody gets that. Nobody thinks you're crazy. It doesn't sound unhinged. You can sell that from a PR perspective. Do that. Get people on your side. Get your big win with Japan or whatever and then move to the next one.

• 31:53Tom Bilyeu?

  So there's that, I think, is what historians are going to debate. David Sacks put out a tweet that's like, you really think we'd get this far if he had asked nice, if he had said please or pretty please? He's like, it's never going to happen. So that's going to be the historians debate. I don't think that we can see it clearly enough right now. I think that that one has to be done in retrospect. But hey, that's the internet and everybody's going to debate it and I'm here for it. I love it the most. Uh, that is the game that we're playing.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  You did talk about automation and bringing like jobs back in manufacturing. Victor Davis Hansen also had a good point on that I want to bring up.

• 32:24Speaker 05

  You know, it is the idea of humans in factories, manufacturing stuff for America first. Is that a fanciful notion, given the way the world is moving to a more automated place?

• 32:40Speaker 04

  No, I don't think so. I think actually counterintuitive. I think that's what he's counting on because he looks at, he's closed the border. There's not going to be 10,000 illegal aliens coming in again. Our fertility rate is not as bad as Europe. It's gone down to 1.65. So we're a static, if not declining, population. All these economists have these ratios for every billion dollars or so many million jobs, 10 billion, you know, a million jobs. But I don't believe we've got seven or eight trillion dollars in commitment, but maybe two or three already, and that would represent 10 or 15 million new jobs. So I think the idea is that if you train the workforce and you rely heavily on automation,

• 33:22Speaker 04

  even with the present diminished workforce, and now unemployment rate's only 4%, 4.5%, you can be as effective and high tech. I don't think he's calling for a bunch, uh, just to all line up and put things on an assembly, you know, just make get widgets and that's going to pay him thirty dollars an hour. I think he's thinking, we've got the best technology. I've got Silicon Valley. I've even got people like Bezos and Zuckerberg, David Sacks. These are like the war production board of World War Two, you know, Henry Kaiser, Henry Ford. They're really, I don't agree with them politically, but they're patriotic and they want to make America. And I think that's kind of a unique idea for somebody to enlist all these tech technocrats.

• 34:05Tom Bilyeu?

  We'll see. Again, I don't know that that is the idea that Trump is holding in his head, but that is a reality. So you've got AI, it's coming. You're going to bring all this manufacturing back, which you have to do, even if it does, I hope it does, but even if it doesn't help the person who was working in a Ford factory in Michigan, let's say, just sorry, the world's moved on, you're toast. Even if it doesn't help that person, you still need to bring the manufacturing back. Now, if, when you look backwards and you see a never ending string of everybody is convinced that the new technology is going to reduce jobs and then it creates more jobs, we just couldn't predict what they were going to be. If you will grant me as an act of faith, that it's going to create jobs that

• 34:50Tom Bilyeu?

  we can't yet predict, then it's like, cool. Yes, it's not, you're not back on the assembly line earning thirty dollars an hour, putting the widgets together. You still have to build widgets here, but it isn't going to be that. It's going to be something else that we can't understand, but you're certainly way more likely to create the jobs that we can't yet predict if you're doing it in-house, if you're bringing this stuff back into the country. So you have to do it anyway. History tells us that it will create jobs that we can't yet predict. Now, there's obviously the debate that we talked about many times, which is what does the world look like when AI is better than humans at everything? There's literally not a job that you wouldn't be better off putting AI into. That, that is a, that's beyond the event horizon.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, and markets definitely reacted when this the tear of hokey pokey was at full effect using your language. So when he announced the pause, markets jumped up 10%. And with it was a lot of call volume, meaning a lot of traders have heavily invested back into the market. AOC put out this tweet earlier today that said, "Any member of Congress who purchased stock in the last 48 hours should probably disclose that now. I've been hearing some interesting chatter on the floor. Disclosure deadline is May 15th. We're about to learn a few things. It's time to ban insider trading in Congress."

• 36:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  It's not, it's not a good look that insider conversations happening in the White House and now the numbers are popping. So that is a significant jump.

• 36:15Tom Bilyeu?

  For anybody that's not looking at the screen, the announcement comes quite a while after the spike starts to happen. I mean, how long is that? Like 20 minutes? Something like that? 15, 20 minutes? So it's like, somebody knew something and they moved as quick as they could. That is bananas. So yeah, shout out to our boy Chris Josephs, who does the Pelosi stock tracker, who was one of the early people to start banging the drum of like, what is going on? Like you would beat the market by a lot if you were just following the trades

• 36:55Tom Bilyeu?

  of Nancy Pelosi and a few other members of Congress. It is pretty crazy. So yeah, horrific look. Now we'll see, obviously, we don't have any information specifically, but I think AOC is right that we're, we're going to see as people start disclosing this stuff, what, what breadcrumb trails are there that when you look at, you're just like, obviously, they knew something and they moved on it. It's crazy.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Definitely want to bang that drum here. If you haven't seen that Chris Joseph episode, great episode, and you talk about your stance on insider trading, how we got here and some things that we can do to get out of it. As well as if you want to sign up for autopilot and follow and make a bunch of percent on your portfolio like they did. In other news, every kid in China will be required to learn AI starting September 1st, and it will be mandatory for six-year-olds. Six-year-olds.

• 37:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Why wait till they're six? Seriously, I don't understand the pushback on this one. Uh, so if, if I had a kid, oh, this is where the pushback will start. Uh, if I had a kid, a thousand percent, I'm going to be starting them on AI legitimately. Would I start them as an infant? Almost certainly, yes. Because one, I'm going to get an output of what the AI is saying to it. So I can make sure that the AI is not saying something I don't want it to say.

• 38:11Tom Bilyeu?

  And I just know how good AI is at feedback loops. So how quickly is this kid learning? What do I have to repeat with this kid that I would treat the other kid differently? Uh, I think parents will come to my aid when I say that from one child to the next, your kids are just wildly different. And so given how N of one every child is, like you need to train them differently. Uh, when a kid up to the age of seven, a child's brain spends some inordinate amount of time in what's called theta wave patterns. Theta waves are basically like hypnosis. Kids pre seven, they're building a map of the world. They are sponging up everything, which is why, uh, it has been said by the person

• 38:55Tom Bilyeu?

  whose name you're going to remind me of in seconds, uh, that it, you're better off having an amazing first three years and then the whole rest of your life being difficult, than the first three years being difficult and the whole rest of your life being easy. Uh, that you are far more likely to build like you're a broken attachment style, uh, weird relationship with yourself, like you just, you dysregulate in ways that are terrifying in those early years. And so if you can have AI that is giving you an output because you have to watch this, there's no way I would just blindly trust AI. But knowing that AI will be able to pick up on the feedback loops, train the kid way better than they would otherwise be in these critical years where they're really forming

• 39:36Tom Bilyeu?

  their sense of what the world is, whoo, it's going to be incredible.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Incredible.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  In other China news, uh, popular streamer, I show speed went on a trip to China.

• 39:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Speed?

• 39:51Speaker 02

  He's been everything from doing monuments, but this was pretty cool. He was actually testing out the new BYD cars that just shows that they really are living in the future.

• 40:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Not only the BYD car, but he does their, um, flying car. And so I don't, I didn't watch the, I've only seen the clips, but they're like, he would only allow it to take him straight up and straight back down. So clearly not a lot of trust in flying cars yet, but uh, yeah, it's uh, it is unnerving as somebody who recognizes that we are in an economic war with China. It is unnerving as somebody who understands like, uh, you need to be prepared for war, uh, kinetic war with China to look at some of the advancements that they have that we don't have. It is, uh, it's pretty fascinating. So yeah, America, we got to innovate. Now, just so that people know, I am aware of it.

• 40:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Tariffs reduce innovation. They don't increase innovation. And so the America I want to see, I want to see the American youth just be like, I'm going to make a way cooler car. Like I'm going to push this as hard and fast as I can. Like when I see what Elon is doing with the um, earth to earth transportation, that is so inspiring. Like this is the kind of thing that you want to see America do, man. For anybody uh, not watching, you're going to want to look at your screen. This is awesome.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  He's proposing rockets instead of traditional airplane, like airplanes. So they would replace airplanes with Starship, promising to get you from New York to Sydney in under a hour.

• 41:26Tom Bilyeu?

  New York to Sydney, dude, that's like a 19 hour flight or some absurd thing like that.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  So instead of layovers and jet lag, imagine stepping into a rocket, hitting suborbital space, and then landing across the planet before your playlist ends.

• 41:37Tom Bilyeu?

  This is so cool, man.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  That is wild to me.

• 41:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, uh, the, oh my God, this gets me so hyped up. This is the kind of thing that I want. Now I talk about all the tariffs and all that, and I know people get confused and they think that I want them. I'm in the camp of you have to do something. But the world I want to live in is this world. I want to live in a world where we're competing, where we're really going ham. The problem is I don't think starting.

• 42:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Back in the 90s is probably when this really started to get out of hand. I don't think we had a clear enough vision of where this all heads, what the second and third order consequences are of not manufacturing, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, all those things are real and they have to be addressed. But I love like really getting into a fair fight. Free market. Problem is, we didn't have a free market. We had a world where it was like, America was policing the seas. In fact, I'm preparing for a Douglas Murray episode right now. And he puts out a really interesting hypothesis about part of what you're seeing in the world right now is a world where after the Second World War, Europe could go, oh, cool, we'll let America police everything. And we can be in this sort of, um, not utopian, but we can be in this world where, hey,

• 42:48Tom Bilyeu?

  you're just magically protected and you don't have to spend any money on your defense. And we can all be friends over here and let America live in the Hobbesian nightmare of a power struggle with other people that are trying to claw their way to the top and they will happily take you down. And so that's really like changed the psyche of America. It changed the psyche of Europe for sure. And so in all of that, we allowed countries to have tariffs and non-trade barriers against us. And we're like, nah, it's all good. Like, we want these economies to rebuild. We want the cheap stuff from around the world. We want to eat cheap, flat screens. And so for a long time, it worked and it works until it doesn't. And then you find yourself in Thucydides' trap. So it is a complicated mess, but emotionally, if you want to know where I'm at,

• 43:33Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't want to be a China hawk. Like, I want to, I want to be in a battle where it's like, they're doing cool stuff, we're doing cool stuff, and everybody's winning. We're just not in that world right now.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  And we do it with other countries. Japan does a lot of cool things that we then, we capitalize on. And South Korea does it. So I have an optimistic hope that through this.

• 43:52Tom Bilyeu?

  You say optimistic cope?

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Hope.

• 43:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Hope, okay.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  That through all of this, China and the US realize we're better off teaming up and fighting this meteorite that is AI versus trying to have a dick measuring contest about who can have the biggest tariff.

• 44:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Not gonna happen.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  Not gonna happen.

• 44:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Not gonna happen. No, I mean, until we start augmenting the human mind.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  Human nature.

• 44:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Then maybe, but for now, yeah, 100%. And so it's like, nobody wants to be number two.

• 44:24Tom Bilyeu?

  China doesn't want to be number two. America doesn't want to be number two. And somebody else, if we win into like kumbaya mode, somebody else is going to use that opportunity. I mean, mind read Putin, what's he doing? Is it just fear of NATO or is it NATO as cover story for I want the territory back? I mean, dude,

• 44:46Tom Bilyeu?

  if you want a glimpse into human nature, one of the books you need to read is Mein Kampf. It is distressing. He, dude, Hitler was like, I'm looking at America. And I'm like, they just keep expanding into these new areas. But where are we going to expand? Russia. Russia's gonna be, I mean, specifically like the Ukraine, is gonna be our American dream. And we're gonna be like, hey, you want to farm? Move to the Ukraine. We want to settle it. Come on. It's gonna be great. If it had worked, okay, this is really gross. If it had worked, that would have been so

• 45:31Tom Bilyeu?

  powerful for Germany. Gross, icky, hate, disgusting, terrible. I want to be real fucking clear.

• 45:40Tom Bilyeu?

  But for Germany, you get the American dream.

• 45:46Tom Bilyeu?

  It's bananas. So, once you understand like, uh oh, this is a thing people do. They go, I want your shit. And they'll other you real fast and they will take your shit. And that's, that's the world, dude. Give me, what's the pushback on that? Are you just like, yeah, agreed? Or if, if you're agreed, what, what does the community say? Like, what is the takedown of that? Where, what am I blind to?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  I think that people want peace. They want a society where-

• 46:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Only if they're physically exhausted.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Only if they're physically exhausted.

• 46:23Tom Bilyeu?

  That's slightly true. Here, here's how it plays out. It starts as economic warfare. Had it not been for the Treaty of Versailles, you don't get World War II. But you put Germany in a position where it was like, well, we can't do this. Sound familiar? And so now, all of a sudden, Germany's like, yeah, we're not paying that debt. Fuck you. What are you gonna do about it? And, oh, by the way, you said that we had military caps. We've been lying to you the whole time. We've been amassing a mahusive army. What are you gonna do about it? Uh, you say that we can't invade Poland? What are you gonna do about it? And it just escalates, escalates until I'm mad as hell and I won't take it anymore. And you punch back and now you're in World War II.

• 47:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's like, if only, if only, Drew, I didn't look back in history and see a never-ending string of that. And hey, I'm perfectly happy to stare. And this, this is what I want to talk to Douglas Murray about. I guess you guys will all get to see if I'm able to pull this off.

• 47:27Tom Bilyeu?

  When I look at America, read about Polk, President Polk. Dear Mexico, I just took all the Native American shit and now I want your shit. And he took it. And our own generals were like, uh, this is a stain on America that will never be able to wash off. We washed it off. Most kids don't even know we did it.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 47:51Tom Bilyeu?

  So, um, it's like, yeah. But now, America exists and we built it and it's rad and I don't plan to give an inch of it back. And if Mexico invaded, I would fight as if they were China invading. Yeah, I'm not standing for that, but we fucking took it with might. Uh, Israel Gaza. Here's the really uncomfortable part. Drew, read about the formation, the formation of Israel. I get why they did it. I probably would have done the same thing. You just, you literally tried to exterminate us. Like, actual, let there be no more Jewish DNA on the planet.

• 48:31Tom Bilyeu?

  If you said, let there be no, I'm basically German and Dutch. If you said, let there be no more German and Dutch DNA, I'd be like, uh, nope, this is where we fight. And I get it. But at some point, you start going, hey, guys, if enough of us move here.

• 48:50Tom Bilyeu?

  We become far more politically powerful. We become far more economically powerful. So you're gonna have to listen to us because there's so many of us here. And then do we translate that into political power? There's so many of us here. Dear UK, look how many Muslims are moving to your country. It's a pretty good strat. It's what people do. If they want something, they can take it by force or they can just win culturally. That's what Israel did. So it's pretty impressive. You gotta be like, hey, kudos. That shit happened in the fucking 40s. Like this was not 700 years ago. This was, this is in the 40s, man. This is less than 100 years ago and they did it. They pulled it off.

• 49:35Tom Bilyeu?

  So what do you do with that? They built Israel's pretty rad. You try to invade them, they're gonna respond.

• 49:44Tom Bilyeu?

  But at the same time, they did a thing to get them. It's, I don't know to do that because Drew, if China tried to roll up, I'm gonna feel some kind of, I'm gonna respond violently. Okay, let's start with that. I have, I am on record. Countries need to protect their culture.

• 50:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So if Mexico is like, we're taking this shit back, one immigrant at a time. I'm like assimilate, assimilate. I feel strongly, you need to assimilate. What do you do with that? That is life. This is the fucking messiness of life.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  I don't even say of history because 85% of history is I want your shit. So I'm gonna come get it. That's how things used to be settled. All right.

• 50:27Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, everybody. If you're not joining us for the lives, you are going to want to. Here is a highlight from today's live. There's probably simpler explanations, but there was an island, I believe in Japan, where they were bringing this group of monkeys, sweet potatoes. And they were dropping them on the beach for the monkeys to grab and eat the sweet potatoes. And they get covered in sand and the monkeys hate the sand on them. They try to brush it off, all that. One of the monkeys realizes, oh, wait a second. You can wash this off in the water. So it starts washing it off and then eating the sweet potato. And then it goes and shows another one of the monkeys that you can do this. And then that monkey shows somebody else. And then other monkeys just notice that they're doing it. And once 100 monkeys are washing their sweet potatoes.

• 51:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Randomly, another island where they had never washed sweet potatoes, start washing sweet potatoes. And so the people looking at this, again, I don't know that I buy this, I'm just putting your, at least there's some people that would agree with you about the cultural subconscious. Uh, they were like, oh, there's you, I don't know if we're emitting some sort of frequency or what we're doing, but people that are, you know, they've had no contact whatsoever, suddenly start doing the same thing, once it hit a certain number of them doing the same thing. Uh, there's a very famous quote from Michael Jackson, who I think it was Beat It, uh, who was like, calls Quincy Jones up and is like, we have to record the song tonight.

• 51:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And it was like 2am, Quincy's like, why the fuck do we have to record it tonight? He's like, because if we don't, Prince is going to. And he's like, ideas just get out into the ether and once it happens, then people go with it. Now that one's easier for me to buy because it's just like, we're all influenced by the culture and so certain creative people are going to bounce off the ideas in very similar ways. Anyway, that one's easier for me to come up with an explanation for. The monkey thing just strikes me as either coincidence or somebody secretly is showing these monkeys, like, look, motherfucker, just wash it off. But they're dropping them off. Humans are on the fucking island.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  I went on a date one time with a girl and she was a flat earther.

• 52:34Tom Bilyeu?

  That's not possible.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  And I was like, shh. I was like, whoo. She was a flat earther? She was a flat earther and that was it for me. Did you ask her about any other conspiracies?

• 52:43Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 52:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was a rap. And then I seen her like three or four years later at a party with a buddy of mine. Three or four years? Yeah, so me and her started talking, she was like, oh, hey, how you been? I talked to her, she's like, yeah, you stopped talking to me since we got into that debate about the earth. And I was just like, Kai, you know. Did you say it?

• 52:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I'd be like, yes, that is correct. And I'm very impressed with your pattern recognition. Surprised you can't see it without fucking earth. Uh, but hey.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Like, you knew exactly why I stopped talking to her.

• 53:11Tom Bilyeu?

  That's awesome. I love that.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Good, she's self-aware at least.

• 53:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Humans became humans because we have a relentless drive for progress. It is an algorithm that is buried deep in our mind. You will never be able to turn it off. Don't even bother. Uh, also, these are the two characters I need to put on the table. Also, there is a religious impulse. And don't try to eradicate that religious impulse. It will manifest in a thousand ways. Uh, it won't necessarily be about God, but there's a push in that. Yeah, to the need to kneel before something to fight for something. Okay, so those are your two characters. Uh, you have this never-ending need for progress, uh, that's going to collide with.

• 53:51Tom Bilyeu?

  There's a really, a reason that conservatives tend to be hyper-religious. Because they feel they have identified the way forward, the way that people ought to live, that this is the word of God. Uh, and that when you get out of sync with God, you have a real problem. Okay. So those become the people that are going to be very unhappy with what I'm about to say. So we have this need for progress. Uh, we are not going to accept being defeated. We have clawed our way on evolutionary timelines to be the top of the food chain. We are not going to give that up easily. And so as AI comes on board, what you will see, you're already seeing it. Is people are going to say, I want to upgrade myself. I will point you to gene editing. I will point you to Neuralink technological upgrades.

• 54:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, it will all start with, um, we're just doing it to eradicate sickle cell anemia. We are just doing it to eradicate, um, Down syndrome. We're just doing it to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, this person's paralyzed, Tom. We need to, um, help them by inserting chips in their brain. So we'll do it. And you will master that technology. The things that you will use AI for in the beginning are help us master that technology. And as AI comes on board and gets better, smarter, faster, stronger, and you get people like that that are saying. Uh, hey, I'm being crowded out of my own life by my technology. I now feel like I work for the AI. I really don't like the way this feels.

• 55:21Tom Bilyeu?

  And somebody offers you a solution and that solution is, and I'm not joking, I'll turn you into a superhero. And you go, hold on, wait a second. That's real? Yes, that's real. You can be a hundred times smarter. You can have telepathic understanding with somebody. You can move objects with your mind. I for one, jump in line and go, yes, please. I would like to be a superhero. And by the way, I don't want to be, uh, bowled over by AI, which is running away from me super fast. And so, uh, given that that stuff, even if dire wolves, even if you will only grant me

• 56:03Tom Bilyeu?

  that all we will ever do at scale is gene edit, we will gene edit. We're already doing IVF. Everybody's totally cool with that. They used to be called test tube babies. I remember that. Yeah. Eunice doesn't because she's too young, but they used to be called test tube babies. Uh, we will make external wombs. They've already done it with sheep, if I'm not mistaken. Uh, so you will quite literally be able to grow humans in a vat. Oh God, people are not going to like this. Uh, and you're going to be able to genetically modify them. Now, I also think that we're going to merge with technology because people that are already born are going to be like, wait, I don't want to be left behind.

• 56:44Tom Bilyeu?

  And so we're running, scientists are running because of, remember character number one, this obsessive need to progress. Uh, they're already doing two strategies. Gene editing and integrating with technology. And is anybody really going to say, don't do cochlear implants? No, fuck you, go be deaf? No, they're going to be like, I get it. Is anybody really going to say, nope, you just have to be paralyzed? Of course not. They're going to say, let's do what we can to help you. Are people really going to say, oh, sorry, sickle cell anemia? Fuck you, you just get it. Um, no, they're going to say, oh, cool. We can fix those things? Yes. Then you're going to get somebody who's like, Um, I'm five two and I know that women, they really don't like guys that are short.

• 57:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So I'd like to just make a couple tweaks and make sure that my kids are six two. If you don't believe me, there are people right now that have devices on their legs that elongate their legs to make them taller. It breaks the bone and then it heals, breaks it again, heals, breaks it again, heals. And it really works. They get fucking taller. It's crazy. Uh, there are people right now taking a drug to make sure that their hair doesn't fall out. I don't advise it. Yikes. That one fucking worries me. Uh, trust me, you guys can see my receding hairline. If there is a non-injustible that would stop it, I will do it, but, uh, taking a drug, not gonna do it. Okay. So all of those things are running in the human mind.

• 58:12Tom Bilyeu?

  It is pushing us towards becoming a midwife species for something that is, I'm gonna use the word better Drew, but you would really have to go and define it because of the second character who's like, any of that stuff is an abomination. It goes against God. God doesn't make mistakes. Now you and I were having this debate and I would say then why the fuck did he plant something in our brains that makes us move towards progress so aggressively? There is no chill in the human species. So it's like, well, God doesn't make a mistake. We don't have any chill for a reason. So, okay, well, we're gonna see how that plays out. Now, the crazy thing is I'm totally on that team, but I get it.

• 58:56Tom Bilyeu?

  I am not asking everybody to believe in it. I love the tension between the sides. I don't want to see people die over it. They will. Uh, period. There you go. That's the whole shebang.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Nah, you muted it. You watered it down.

• 59:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Did I?

• 59:12Speaker 02

  That was a virgin pina colada.

• 59:14Tom Bilyeu?

  That's what I feel like. That really is the true version. What is the thing that you've heard me say?

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Cause the transhumanism, like us being a midwife to a new species. There is no longer going to be, let's give it a fancy name, Orgo humans. There's only going to be gene edited, mixed with Neuralink.

• 59:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Human classic.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Human classic.

• 59:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  So every human is gonna have some type of chip, power, alternative strain.

• 59:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  That's going to be naturally.

• 59:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Not every, you'll never get that.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Because those will be the revolt, the, the revolutionists who want to just be.

• 59:47Tom Bilyeu?

  But if they try and pick a fight with the augmented humans, they will lose. They will lose, Drew.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  Be bigger, stronger, faster.

• 59:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  All that.

• 59:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Not to spoiler alert Neon Future, because I never ended up writing this part of it. God, how much of this am I gonna give away? Uh, I'll just say this. If I were to write the next chapter of Neon Future, the punchline is even the Neo-Puritans, as I think of Human Classic, OG Human, uh, they realize we will lose unless we use this technology. And then Drew, what's gonna happen as soon as you use that technology? It's suddenly you don't control it anymore. And so now what the fuck happens? Uh, it's a one-way street, man. But just like they're still Plankton, there will be Human Classic. Because some people will move out into the woods and just be like, I'm.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  And then now we're the Amazon people.

• 1:00:42Tom Bilyeu?

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