‘Toy Story 5’ and the ‘Toy Story’ Movie Rankings. Plus: ‘The Death of Robin Hood’ and the Top Five Robin Hoods.

Sean and Amanda open today’s show with a long list of movie news headlines, including Luca Guadagnino’s Sam Altman movie ‘Artificial’ being dropped by Amazon following their OpenAI partnership, and Curry Barker inking a 10-figure deal with Universal and Blumhouse Atomic Monster for his next original project. Then, they cover a new release with Michael Sarnoski’s ‘The Death of Robin Hood’ starring Hugh Jackman. They highlight its impressively gnarly filmmaking, explain why its big flaw is in the concept of the film itself, and take a look at the history of ‘Robin Hood’ movies and discuss what makes them successful. Next, they discuss ‘Toy Story 5’, a film which Sean and Amanda had vastly different reactions to. After debating what did and didn’t work for them, they rank every film from the ‘Toy Story’ franchise. (0:00) Intro (0:36) Movie news (19:03) ‘The Death of Robin Hood’ (27:04) What makes a good ‘Robin Hood’ movie? (42:18) ‘Toy Story 5’ (1:15:19) What is Pixar now? (1:21:07) The ‘Toy Story’ movie rankings Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jack Sanders Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:15Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 0:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 0:17Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Pictureate Conversation Show about toys and friendship. On today's show, we are talking about two new releases, Toy Story 5 and The Death of Robin Hood, as well as ranking all five Toy Story movies. And we're recommending the best cinematic Robin Hoods. But first, let's talk about some movie news, right after this.

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• 2:00Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, Amanda. Disaster strikes Luca Guadagnino Island. This is, this is some fascinating news to take apart this morning.

• 2:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it? I mean, it's not good for those of us who are looking forward to this film.

• 2:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And/or have this in our movie auction for 2026.

• 2:20Sean Fennessey?

  You have it in your movie?

• 2:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course I have Artificial. Listen, I ride for my guy.

• 2:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so then-

• 2:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Even when he comes out and he's like, "Top Gun Maverick is terrible," you know?

• 2:29Sean Fennessey?

  I was hoping to address that here as well. So Luca Guadagnino's new film, Artificial, which is a sort of biopic, a social network-style biopic of Sam Altman, the co-founder of OpenAI, is no longer going to be released by Amazon MGM. They are offloading the movie to whom we do not know yet. This is a movie that was, we originally speculated would be a fall 2026 release. Couple of months ago, somebody was telling us that the movie's not coming out this year.

• 2:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, it wasn't in the CinemaCon Amazon presentation.

• 2:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:59Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's when I got a little nervous.

• 3:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. And so now it has been made clear that presumably in part because of an OpenAI partnership, though that's not been clarified, Amazon doesn't feel it's the right studio to release this movie, which stars Andrew Garfield as Sam Altman. Hmm. Certainly a sus corporate situation here.

• 3:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that, that is kind of my top-line reaction. This is also from the studio that, yes, brought you Project Hail Mary, but also brought you Melania. So, and it does seem like these decisions are being made at a, at a corporate partnership, synergistic Jeff Bezos and, and various other Silicon Valley people calling each other level, rather than at a creative level.

• 3:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 3:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So I don't worry about this as much in terms of the quality of the movie. I worry about this in terms of- Tech overlords who know nothing about art, once again, being in charge of creative decisions and not making good ones, or making ones that suit themselves rather than artistic or ideological integrity.

• 4:05Sean Fennessey?

  I agree with you about that. Matt Bellini broke this story in his reporting. He got a quote that noted that Amazon hopes to work with Luca Guadagnino again. I don't know if that's going to happen anytime soon, especially in the aftermath of After the Hunt, not performing very well. This is an interesting one because, you know, this does happen sometimes. I believe Focus previously had the rights to make Paper Tiger, James Gray's forthcoming new movie. I thought immediately of The Bike Riders, which was a film that was originally with Fox, and then they offloaded it to Focus. So this does happen. It's very rarely as politically charged as something like this. And so now I feel like it puts an interesting gloss on the film in general because now, does it create like a new expectation for what kind of movie we think this is going to be?

• 4:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, now you think it's going to be like a real truth to power, searing indictment of the evils of this AI chapter of Silicon Valley, a social network two situation. And we don't know if that's going to be true. Matt Bellini's reporting also said that the script, which is written by Simon Rich, got a little darker, or that the final product was maybe not as cheeky or whimsical as what Amazon thought that they were greenlighting.

• 5:21Sean Fennessey?

  And Simon's writing style is obviously very humorous, but you could see that even as the news has evolved in the 12 months since this film was greenlit, our relationship to AI and companies like OpenAI has changed a lot.

• 5:34Amanda Dobbins?

  And Sam Altman himself has become more of a character and a mouthpiece for a certain type of thinking about this technology and also about the way that Silicon Valley interacts with. Like our lives.

• 5:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 5:49Amanda Dobbins?

  And.

• 5:49Sean Fennessey?

  And also OpenAI and its relationship to the White House and the current presidential administration. So this is a really, I mean, it's a fascinating movie business story. I'm still looking forward to this film, of course, but I don't know. I mean, I think it's unlikely that we'll see it this year. It's going to take a little while. You know, Jack and I were just talking about the fact that you've got a whole new marketing campaign is going to have to be established. And you have a brand new company figuring out how to sell the movie. Now, do you sell against this?

• 6:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, I think so.

• 6:18Sean Fennessey?

  You to see?

• 6:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I do think that it opens up a possibility for the right distributor. Now, now, who is that? And who doesn't have somebody like pulling their pocket strings in a way that they are going to be able to take this on and market it as like the anti-OpenAI, anti-Sam Altman. I mean, let's go through it. It doesn't really seem like Paramount Warner Brothers.

• 6:40Sean Fennessey?

  Certainly not.

• 6:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Would be in that mix. Netflix, really doubt it.

• 6:44Sean Fennessey?

  I don't see that.

• 6:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's see. So Disney, no way.

• 6:49Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely not.

• 6:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Who, I mean, not that they would take this on anyway.

• 6:53Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, Sony already has the Social Reckoning, so that's already in a similar vein. I, I don't think it's an A24 movie. It seems a little bit more glossy than that.

• 7:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:03Sean Fennessey?

  I do think.

• 7:03Amanda Dobbins?

  They're, you know, widening a little bit.

• 7:05Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 7:06Amanda Dobbins?

  They have had recent successes now of both, you know, the hide the ball. This isn't what you think this is, but also the, you know, the, this is so taboo that we don't know if we can release it with the drama. And it paid out for them. So they can at least do it in terms of corporate structure for now.

• 7:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Now, if they're trying to get bought, then they don't want, you know, that, then that becomes a whole other issue.

• 7:28Sean Fennessey?

  The thing is, is that all of these companies in ways that are both big and small are, are if not fully invested, are keeping their, their eye on the AI evolution within this industry. And so whether or not. Infuriating one of these potential partners or potentially, I mean, it's possible that Sam Altman is just the Bill Gates of AI and that 30 years from now, he is going to be seen as one of the most important technological innovator entrepreneurs of in recent American history. It's also possible that he flames out dramatically and we never hear from him again and this becomes, you know, the first chapter in his downfall. Probably not. So I don't know. It's interesting. I mean, Neon also, I think is probably worth

• 8:09Sean Fennessey?

  considering. I guess Mubi is worth considering as well in terms, just in terms of companies that are capitalized, that could pay for a big movie like this. Cause that's the other thing is like Yur Borasov's in the film, Monica Barbaro is in the film. Like it's got a, it's got a solid cast. It's got a, you know, a young and interesting cast. It definitely seems like it could be marketable.

• 8:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, and you've got Andrew Garfield, king of the internet.

• 8:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 8:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, this is a quote unquote buzzy subject.

• 8:37Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 8:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And I think there's absolutely an audience, but and a, and a way to sell it. You just have to be able to, you have to have the independent money to be able to finance that. And I don't know who does.

• 8:50Sean Fennessey?

  What a strange five years for Luca, you know? You got the, you got the cannibal romance with Timmy.

• 8:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Which was good.

• 8:56Sean Fennessey?

  I enjoyed that movie, but did make a lot of noise because of COVID. You've got the success of challengers.

• 9:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 9:01Sean Fennessey?

  You've got the after the hunt fiasco.

• 9:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Didn't work.

• 9:05Sean Fennessey?

  And, and now this movie, it's been really interesting for one of our guys. Um, well, I hope to see the film.

• 9:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Me too.

• 9:11Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's possible that nobody buys it. And then what do you do?

• 9:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Can we buy it?

• 9:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, I think I have about 52 bucks.

• 9:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I was gonna say, let's talk through our finance structures and set of opportunities.

• 9:21Sean Fennessey?

  How will we distribute it? Via this channel?

• 9:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, just in my house, you know, pop up screenings.

• 9:27Sean Fennessey?

  Technically, it would be a Netflix release in that case. Spotify's first ever streaming film.

• 9:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, speaking of AI, uh, or not, let's keep moving.

• 9:35Sean Fennessey?

  Let's keep moving. Uh, Curry Barker's next film lands at Universal Blumhouse Atomic Monster. Would you look at that? Eight figure deal. Um, I don't know what the film is about. And maybe it's about Sam Altman. Maybe it's a prequel.

• 9:46Amanda Dobbins?

  That would be great. We didn't say universal in the, in the. And focus, but it doesn't really seem-

• 9:52Sean Fennessey?

  I guess I could see focus. That's not, that's not out of the realm of possibility.

• 9:56Amanda Dobbins?

  They don't really lean into controversy historically.

• 9:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. You know, the idea of, speaking of Curry Barker, being one of their Oscar campaigns this year is interesting. It actually makes the likelihood of focus swooping in and grabbing an artificial a lot less likely. Cause I was thinking about what are their Oscar prospects focused this year? And they've got the Sense and Sensibility reboot?

• 10:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 10:18Sean Fennessey?

  Is it a reboot? What's the word we're gonna use?

• 10:20Amanda Dobbins?

  The newest interpretation.

• 10:23Sean Fennessey?

  A new adaptation, yes.

• 10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, it's doing awesome. It's like, it's, it's like Shakespeare. It's, you know, there's, there's not as much catalog there, but-

• 10:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's a legacy sequel.

• 10:32Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's not, it's not a sequel. It's just the newest version.

• 10:37Sean Fennessey?

  It's a prequel.

• 10:37Amanda Dobbins?

  You know? No, it's not, because it's the same thing that's happening. Have you read this-

• 10:41Sean Fennessey?

  Is it a reimagining?

• 10:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you, have you read the Emma Thompson diaries yet?

• 10:44Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't read it.

• 10:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Will, will you read that?

• 10:46Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean yet?

• 10:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. There's literally, it's, it's right there on the-

• 10:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I'm happy to let it stay there.

• 10:53Sean Fennessey?

  So they've got the Sense and Sensibility film. They've got Robert Eggers as Werewolf, which, you know, obviously I'm looking forward to that film. Looking forward to a wolf just tearing flesh off of a human. Um, is that an Oscar movie? I don't know. Maybe.

• 11:06Amanda Dobbins?

  We say that every year and then, you know, it hits late December, box office is pretty big. You weirdos kinda get in the mix and you're just like, 14 Oscar nominations? Are we sure?

• 11:19Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I think what's possible is that they look at it, and even if it isn't quite what Nosferatu was, which is this like classical Gothic romance, they might make up for-

• 11:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it was, but-

• 11:31Sean Fennessey?

  It was. Come on. Think of the last shot of Nosferatu. Anyway, um, maybe they'll make up for it by not acknowledging that film in the best picture race, but that's not like a super strong slate of potential best picture nominees. So maybe they look at a movie like Artificial and say, hey, this could be an option. Or maybe they say, hey, we had the best year ever with Obsession. Why make trouble?

• 11:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 11:50Sean Fennessey?

  Why make trouble with Artificial?

• 11:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, but then also just-

• 11:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Does what Universal is pushing in a larger Academy sense affect what Focus says? Well, no, I know. That's what I'm saying. So like, are we? How's, how's the budgeting working?

• 12:04Sean Fennessey?

  Um, as far as I know, they're separate.

• 12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:06Sean Fennessey?

  Separate but related. Um, I do think that a lot of the weight will go towards The Odyssey.

• 12:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I do as well.

• 12:12Sean Fennessey?

  Um, anyway, looking forward to Curry's next film. So that sounds like he's got his next nine films planned.

• 12:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:17Sean Fennessey?

  It must be nice. I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow.

• 12:20Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really not true.

• 12:21Sean Fennessey?

  What am I doing tomorrow? Tomorrow, we have soccer practice?

• 12:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:24Sean Fennessey?

  Um, that's all I got on the slate, but it is Father's Day weekend, and so I'll do whatever I want.

• 12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  You'll be watching golf.

• 12:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yep. Uh, more news. Wagner Mora in talks to play the main villain in The Ocean's prequel, which is starring and directed by Bradley Cooper alongside Margot Robbie. This is a, this is, this is a tricky one.

• 12:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it?

• 12:46Sean Fennessey?

  Well, are you, are you fired up?

• 12:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I have, I feel no complications. I say, okay.

• 12:50Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 12:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I say, there's a lot of shenanigans going on

• 12:55Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:55Amanda Dobbins?

  in the world.

• 12:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 12:56Amanda Dobbins?

  And I generally like, if don't totally understand the choices of Bradley Cooper's directing career.

• 13:04Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And I like Ocean's movies.

• 13:07Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I like Margot Robbie. I like Wagner Mora. I'll watch it. I, I don't, I don't need to complicate this. It's not one of these, why is Bradley Cooper spending 20, 20 years of his career doing Blue Alien and stuff?

• 13:21Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:22Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, I don't, Wagner Mora can dip in, dip out, keep doing some artistic stuff on the side.

• 13:28Sean Fennessey?

  Crush Avatar four. If he wanted to step in on that, if he followed up Ocean's 10, or whatever it's going to be called, with, with Avatar four.

• 13:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:37Sean Fennessey?

  That would be fire.

• 13:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Is, I think this would be-

• 13:39Sean Fennessey?

  Start in it as well.

• 13:40Amanda Dobbins?

  This would be nine.

• 13:42Sean Fennessey?

  Ocean's nine?

• 13:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, they had Ocean's eight, because there were eight of them. But then I guess this would be Ocean's three? Ocean's two?

• 13:49Sean Fennessey?

  What about just the ocean?

• 13:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, beautiful. Okay.

• 13:52Sean Fennessey?

  Or oceans?

• 13:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oceans. I was gonna say, what about the oceans?

• 13:56Sean Fennessey?

  The oceans?

• 13:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. There we go. Okay.

• 13:59Sean Fennessey?

  That's it. I like it. Um, do you think that Margot Robbie and Bradley Cooper biochemically would create George Clooney?

• 14:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh.

• 14:10Sean Fennessey?

  Cause they're meant to be Danny Ocean's parents in the film.

• 14:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, right.

• 14:14Sean Fennessey?

  So just from a, cause you know, that's, that's a lot of Italian going on with Clooney, right? There's a lot of.

• 14:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but I'm thinking through, listen, they can.

• 14:22Sean Fennessey?

  Beautiful skin tone, that swoop of black hair.

• 14:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Do a lot with eyebrows right now, you know, so.

• 14:26Sean Fennessey?

  Eyebrows?

• 14:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, what can they do?

• 14:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my gosh, there's so much laminating, filling it, you know.

• 14:31Sean Fennessey?

  I've never touched my eyebrows.

• 14:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Then they look nice. Congratulations to you.

• 14:35Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you.

• 14:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, there's a, but in terms of, you know, cause that's one of Clooney's signatures, so.

• 14:41Sean Fennessey?

  His eyebrows?

• 14:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 14:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And you don't really see a genetic.

• 14:46Sean Fennessey?

  A link?

• 14:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Link between Margot Robbie and Bradley Cooper, but you could achieve the Clooney thing with, you know, with modern technology.

• 14:55Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think it's just that there's a kind of like a unified hotness amongst the three of them? That we're like, okay, sure, sure, they would make Clooney.

• 15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine. And also like the voice probably, cause Margot Robbie, you know, has the slightly lower voice.

• 15:08Sean Fennessey?

  A voice?

• 15:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't.

• 15:10Sean Fennessey?

  The, the vocal tone of a mother inform the vocal tone of a son?

• 15:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 15:14Sean Fennessey?

  Tell us as a mother of a, of a boy's.

• 15:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Not as best I can tell, there was just a lot of squeaking at my house this morning, which I guess many listeners of this podcast will say is right on, but um, and that's why you guys don't have podcasts and that's why you're getting blocked. But I just distinction, a distinctive voice.

• 15:31Sean Fennessey?

  I see. I'll tell you one thing, I love the sound of a woman's voice.

• 15:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, great, okay.

• 15:34Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay, more news. Daniel Kaluuya is re-teaming with Shaka King, who is the director of Judas and the Black Messiah for a film called The Parlay, which is a great name for a movie, I just wanna say. Uh, this is going to Amazon MGM, so apparently it's not about Sam Altman. Tiana Taylor circling to star as well. And I believe it was six months ago where we were wondering what the hell is going on with Shaka King? Why has he not been able to make a movie since Judas and the Black Messiah? Which is a movie that um, you and I and Chris Ryan all really, really, really, really loved on this show. Um, and that kind of came out in that sliding door period of COVID.

• 16:06Amanda Dobbins?

  It was a little lost.

• 16:07Sean Fennessey?

  And it did get a Best Picture nomination and it did win Kaluuya an Academy Award, but it was a, a kind of in an awkward period of time. Um, so I'm very excited about this and it sounds like it's a crime thriller. Um, it sounds like it's an original script and I'm pumped. Daniel Kaluuya actually has a bunch of stuff planned right now, like in the offing soon. I was reading about one movie that he has coming called Hotel, Hotel, Hotel, Hotel.

• 16:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 16:32Sean Fennessey?

  Which is written and directed by Michael Shanks, who made. Together Together, the Alison Brie and Dave Franco thriller from last year. That sounded kind of interesting, the hotel film. He had something else. He's producing an adaptation of Barney, Barney, the Purple Dinosaur.

• 16:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but that's been in the works for a while, right?

• 16:50Sean Fennessey?

  There's one other large, I can't, I don't know what the next, he's got one other big project coming. And Kaluia, he's pretty choosy. He takes his time with his projects. He's only made like five movies in the last 10 years. I guess he's also writing a spider punk movie. He plays the British punk Spider-Man in the Spider-Verse films.

• 17:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:09Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know what the other movie is. I wish I could remember his.

• 17:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I just Googled it, but it's not.

• 17:13Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 17:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Coming up.

• 17:15Sean Fennessey?

  Love Kaluia. Looking forward to seeing him more. Charles Melton is in talks to join Matt Damon in the Secret Daniels event pick from Universal. Charles Melton, did you watch Beef, season two?

• 17:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course not. Did you?

• 17:27Sean Fennessey?

  I'm in the middle of it.

• 17:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:28Sean Fennessey?

  I'm kind of enjoying it.

• 17:29Amanda Dobbins?

  So because Widows Bay is over and so now?

• 17:31Sean Fennessey?

  That's pretty much it. You nailed it.

• 17:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:33Sean Fennessey?

  We can kind of do one show at a time. Eileen and I.

• 17:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:36Sean Fennessey?

  We're on to Beef, season two. Terrific cast. Melton, Kaylee Spaney, Oscar Isaac, Carey Mulligan, a lot of your people.

• 17:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I enjoy these people. I don't know how to watch TV. It's done for me. Zach tried to watch a TV show while he was like on day two of surgery recovery. And then turned to me 40 minutes and it was just like, I just don't know how to watch TV.

• 17:56Sean Fennessey?

  Was it Matlock? What show was it?

• 17:56Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it was a spin off of For All Mankind that Chris and Andy were very.

• 18:02Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah. Star City.

• 18:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. No.

• 18:03Sean Fennessey?

  He didn't, couldn't get into it.

• 18:04Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's not that it was bad. It's just that it's TV. It's not our language.

• 18:07Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, Chris is very persuasive. I do want to watch Star City, but who can find the time?

• 18:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't have it.

• 18:14Sean Fennessey?

  I'm busy watching In Search of Darkness, 1990 to 1994, which is a six hour compilation of people talking about all of the horror films that were released in those four years. That's what I'm doing. I'm slowly chipping away at that.

• 18:25Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 18:26Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you. Last story.

• 18:29Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 18:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:30Sean Fennessey?

  Speaking of Bradley Cooper, so Sean Penn has written and plans to direct a film about January 6th.

• 18:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 18:37Sean Fennessey?

  The film, I guess, is seen through the eyes of a police officer who was there on the day of the insurrection at the Capitol.

• 18:46Sean Fennessey?

  Sean Penn wants Bradley Cooper to star in the film as the police officer. Warner Brothers is gonna make this movie.

• 18:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:52Sean Fennessey?

  You say what?

• 18:53Amanda Dobbins?

  American Sniper 2, The Plastic Baby Returns.

• 18:57Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow.

• 18:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you remember?

• 19:00Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe it's, maybe it's the Plastic Baby all grown up.

• 19:03Amanda Dobbins?

  So then it's a plastic, uh, Q Shaman or whatever that person was called?

• 19:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's like a Pinocchio situation where he's become a real boy.

• 19:11Amanda Dobbins?

  They just, they couldn't get her.

• 19:13Sean Fennessey?

  Q Shaman, damn, who's gonna play Q Shaman?

• 19:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I really had to like pull from the reaches of my brain to remember that.

• 19:19Sean Fennessey?

  On a text chain, Chris Ryan suggested that Tracy Lutz, to Tracy Lutz's face, play Q Shaman.

• 19:24Amanda Dobbins?

  That sounds wonderful. Why am I not on that text chain?

• 19:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's a lot of other things going on there that you don't want to be a part of, you know?

• 19:30Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, it's, it's the plastic text chain?

• 19:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes it sound insidious. It's not insidious, it's just dorky. Uh, this is, this sounds deranged.

• 19:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Sean Fennessey?

  It sounds like a real like, let's get this under the line before the Paramount merger closes. Like, this doesn't sound like a Paramount movie to me.

• 19:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it doesn't sound like, is anyone's paying attention?

• 19:47Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, no. Lot, lot of movie news, lot going on.

• 19:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Sean Fennessey?

  Why do you think that is? The business is booming, the business is hot.

• 19:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Everybody wants a piece of it. Everyone wants to put out their press releases. There's a lot of movie news and that like people had meetings and like issued press releases. So we'll see how much of this actually happens.

• 20:05Sean Fennessey?

  Should we start doing press releases based on conversations we have in a future episode?

• 20:09Amanda Dobbins?

  That is what this podcast is called.

• 20:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean and Amanda are strongly considering a Robin Williams Hall of Fame in July. Can we get that out? Can we alert our PR team? Um, okay, let's, let's talk about the death of Robin Hood first. We'll do Toy Story 5 second. So The Death of Robin Hood is the new movie, an original written by Michael Sarnoski. It is inspired by Robin Hood's death, which is an anonymous poem. Did you revisit this poem?

• 20:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 20:37Sean Fennessey?

  Have you ever read it?

• 20:38Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think I'm learning right now that Robin Hood, the whole legend? Oh, Robin Hood's death is a poem, not the legend of Robin Hood. No, because I have a book about the...

• 20:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, didn't you give Knox for Christmas?

• 20:51Sean Fennessey?

  I did.

• 20:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, which is very nice. So we have some original texts

• 20:55Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 20:55Amanda Dobbins?

  of the, of Robin Hood, the mythology. I'm not a scholar.

• 21:00Sean Fennessey?

  Nor am I. It's quite a, quite a, an odd folk tale.

• 21:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Sean Fennessey?

  The history of it, its origins. I tried to study up on it a little bit for this conversation to try to understand it a little bit better. This new film, which stars Hugh Jackman, Jodie Comer, Bill Skarsgård, Murray Bartlett, and Noah Jup, is set in 1247 and the story is as follows. Grappling with his violent past, Robin Hood finds himself gravely injured after a battle that he thought would be his last. He soon gets a chance at salvation when he meets a mysterious woman and a young girl. Now, Sarnoski, who is the director of Pig and A Quiet Place Day One, two movies I liked quite a bit.

• 21:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Same.

• 21:38Sean Fennessey?

  What did you think of the death of Robin Hood?

• 21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. At the potluck last night, I was talking to a friend who called A Quiet Place Day One Quiet Time 00, which is the funniest name I've ever heard.

• 21:48Sean Fennessey?

  That's what I say to my daughter when she's not behaving.

• 21:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Quiet Time 00. And then I immediately thought of the last shot of A Quiet Place Part One and the needle drop, which is really quite cringy, in my opinion.

• 22:00Sean Fennessey?

  What was it?

• 22:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you remember this?

• 22:01Sean Fennessey?

  I don't remember, no.

• 22:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It's Lupita, like, plugging her iPhone back in.

• 22:05Sean Fennessey?

  I remember that.

• 22:06Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's Nina Simone's feeling good.

• 22:08Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:09Amanda Dobbins?

  And then it cuts to black.

• 22:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, remember how they didn't have the fentanyl locked up, like, at all?

• 22:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that I, that I...

• 22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  That's kind of what stayed with me. It was thrilling.

• 22:18Sean Fennessey?

  I can roll with that.

• 22:18Amanda Dobbins?

  It was not, not moving. I saw this film last night with a large glass of Kim Crawford. I opted for the nine ounce. Uh, thank you to everyone at Regal Paseo.

• 22:28Amanda Dobbins?

  And it was okay. I like everybody involved. I think that this is a fine movie about having regrets at the end of your life and a, not really a Robin Hood movie at all.

• 22:41Sean Fennessey?

  Right. I agree with that.

• 22:42Amanda Dobbins?

  So that is sort of my, if you want to watch Hugh Jackman be violent and grapple with his choices in a medieval setting.

• 22:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Two thumbs up.

• 22:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think if you want to see that, you should just watch Logan.

• 22:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 22:57Sean Fennessey?

  That's my.

• 22:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, but that's not a medieval setting. So maybe, maybe you're really into, maybe you want Game of Thrones minus the magic and dragons.

• 23:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, I think, I think, well, Game of Thrones is not set in a real timeline on Earth.

• 23:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, Bill Simmons and I disagree.

• 23:14Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, you guys can hold that. I, I was not a big fan of this film. I was, I was a little disappointed by this one. I, I think I don't fully understand why it exists now.

• 23:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I agree with you completely.

• 23:28Sean Fennessey?

  I, I'm not, I'm not an expert on the Robin Hood tale, but I've seen almost all the iconic films. I've seen all the iconic films. I watched the 1922 version yesterday.

• 23:40Sean Fennessey?

  And, you know, Robin Hood is of course robbed from the rich and steal from the poor and is considered a sort of, you know, underdog bandit fighting on behalf of the Saxons against the evil Prince John and faithful to King Richard and, you know, battling the Sheriff of Nottingham. And this movie obviously dispenses with all of that. None of that is really a part of this story. This is very much about an older man who has done a lot of terrible things, as you said, feeling regret and feeling a kind of pain. You know, it seems like the overarching conceit of the story is maybe distrust the myth. You know, that there is something about stories that we tell each other and why we tell them and why we

• 24:21Sean Fennessey?

  kind of change details and redefine how people are remembered over time, which I, I understand as a conceit.

• 24:28Amanda Dobbins?

  1,000%, but the film does not engage with the myth in any way, shape or form. It starts at the very, very end. And I mean, it has some gnarly battle scenes, but it doesn't engage in the myth, the myth or the ideology of Robin Hood in any way. It doesn't give you any sense of his life and backstory beyond him just saying, actually, my name is Robin Hood a few times. You don't, to dispel the myth, you have to, if not portray it, then at least communicate it.

• 25:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And the film does not at all.

• 25:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, if, if it was, if the name of the movie was The Death of Steve McGillicuddy and Hugh Jackman said. Hello, young squire. My name is Steve McGillicuddy. We'd just be like, this is a weird movie about a really angry old man who keeps killing people and has some regrets at the end of his life. And you could have maybe swapped in any number of different, you could have said, this is about King Arthur, or Merlin, or any number of kind of sacred folkloric figures, and had a similar point, but I'm not sure if that point is super well told. The movie's very well made, and it gives a kind of like, in the mud, in the dirt vision of this time in history, which I think is probably more period accurate than,

• 25:48Sean Fennessey?

  say, the Michael Curtiz film from 1938, which is technicolor, and beautiful, and so colorful, and swashbuckling. Like, that isn't really probably what that period of time looked like. But I'm not sure if that necessarily makes it any more valuable. And I found the film to have a very odd shape, where it is extremely intense, and violent, and savage in the first 30 minutes, and then it really downshifts for the next hour, 15 minutes. And it's very slow, and methodical, and very contemplative. And so it just kind of feels a little lumpen to me. I don't know, I was surprised. I was hoping to love this, because I think Sarnoski's super talented, but this one was not really for me.

• 26:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, to me, it's all, the flaw is in the concept. Or, and then it just wasn't really pinned down what was happening here. Because I agree with you, the opening 30 minutes, the filmmaking is very gnarly. And I was kind of pissed at you when I was watching it, because I was like, oh, I don't really enjoy this. Is this what it's gonna be the whole time? Which is an achievement in its way, that you're grossed out, and freaked out by it. And then, you know, I like Jodie Comer very much. Hugh Jackman is fine. Listen, I thought all the scenery was very beautiful, you know?

• 27:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's well shot, it looks nice.

• 27:01Amanda Dobbins?

  So, it's not that it's bad?

• 27:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's Pat Scola, who did Sing Sing and Lurker, really good cinematographer.

• 27:06Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just a real why issue.

• 27:10Sean Fennessey?

  I feel very similarly. And it's kind of interesting that Jackman, who as you know I love,

• 27:18Sean Fennessey?

  He's really got two gears.

• 27:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 27:20Sean Fennessey?

  One gear is I'm putting on a show.

• 27:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:23Sean Fennessey?

  And the consummate, you know,

• 27:27Sean Fennessey?

  Talks With Tales handsome man of the stage, which he like kind of moves around that persona in different ways from hosting the Oscars to The Greatest Showman to even movies like Australia where he's kind of like an adventuring, smiling figure.

• 27:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 27:47Sean Fennessey?

  To Wolverine and this and Prisoners and the sort of like the anguished, angry, violent kind of id of the of the male. And I just feel like a lot of what he's doing here, he's just done before and done in better movies. I mean, Prisoners and Logan are just better movies. They're just more interesting movies. So I don't know, I was kind of like, why, man? Why'd you want this, Hugh?

• 28:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, maybe he wanted to be Robin Hood. I guess it is appealing to.

• 28:14Sean Fennessey?

  He didn't get to be Robin Hood?

• 28:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure, but he thought he was.

• 28:16Sean Fennessey?

  Saint Robin Hood?

• 28:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, he thought he was being, you know, the corrective Robin Hood.

• 28:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, what do you think makes a good Robin Hood?

• 28:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Charisma.

• 28:25Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 28:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, just being the myth. I mean, this is, this is the other thing about the, this project, which is to dismantle the idea of Robin Hood, which is nobody wants the real Robin Hood. I, or I don't anyway. You want just what's on the label, stealing from the rich, giving to the poor. You want the hot fox from Disney, which is how so many of us were introduced to it.

• 28:49Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's like, it's a concept. There's a reason that Robin Hood has become a shorthand for, it's just like an against, you know, authority.

• 29:02Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:04Amanda Dobbins?

  View of the world and or like a, a trading platform that I do not endorse, but.

• 29:09Sean Fennessey?

  That's right, I forgot about that.

• 29:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like it is, nobody really cares what's going on in the, in the.

• 29:16Sean Fennessey?

  What is your trading platform of choice?

• 29:18Amanda Dobbins?

  My trading platform, it's called the RealReal.

• 29:21Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 29:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, is so.

• 29:24Sean Fennessey?

  I'm still on eBay.

• 29:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you? Do you? How much time do you spend on eBay?

• 29:28Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks for asking. Uh, about once every other day.

• 29:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, but that's.

• 29:32Sean Fennessey?

  Checking out what's on there, what's on there.

• 29:33Amanda Dobbins?

  But is it? It's, yeah, it's only Blu-rays because that is, that, that's your marketplace.

• 29:38Sean Fennessey?

  Like the. Yeah, Blu-rays and, um, ancient artifacts, like the tesseract.

• 29:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 29:43Sean Fennessey?

  Looking for that. Check in to see if they have the tesseract there.

• 29:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I do do some vintage shopping on eBay and that's where the true heads go. But, you know, it's a, it's a person to person, like a vendor to consumer thing. So you can't do returns.

• 30:00Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 30:00Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, you can't, you have to be really sure.

• 30:03Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:03Amanda Dobbins?

  As opposed to something like the RealReal where.

• 30:05Sean Fennessey?

  This is also true of, of Robin Hood, the trading app, by the way.

• 30:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 30:09Sean Fennessey?

  Just so you know, you can't really do returns. You can be like, whoops, shouldn't have bought that.

• 30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  But you don't need to do a return on a Blu-ray usually.

• 30:15Sean Fennessey?

  How do you know?

• 30:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you? How often have you returned a Blu-ray? How often have you returned a Blu-ray?

• 30:20Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. This happened.

• 30:21Amanda Dobbins?

  What? Tell me about it.

• 30:23Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I buy a lot of Blu-rays.

• 30:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I will, sure.

• 30:24Sean Fennessey?

  One out of every 100, one out of every 1,000. I don't know.

• 30:27Amanda Dobbins?

  You get one and it's not functioning and so you say, send me another?

• 30:31Sean Fennessey?

  I start crying immediately. I start stamping my feet like a child. And then I, I, I can't drive because I'm so upset and I make my wife drive me to, to the post office.

• 30:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 30:42Sean Fennessey?

  And I say, fix this. And then they fix it.

• 30:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I just, okay. You don't want to have an honest conversation with me about the RealReal right now.

• 30:49Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, I don't.

• 30:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, um.

• 30:51Sean Fennessey?

  But I want you to have as many conversations about it with yourself as you possibly can.

• 30:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I do. Don't worry. So, no, but Robin Hood, you want the figurehead. You don't want, you want just the person who embodies the idea. You don't want a real man.

• 31:03Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I was.

• 31:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I don't. I don't, I don't care about his grandparents. I'm sorry.

• 31:07Sean Fennessey?

  Forgive me for making this so movie nerdy, but I, I think Batman is an interesting thing to compare him to.

• 31:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:13Sean Fennessey?

  Because filmmakers are famous for reinterpreting Batman, but there are certain things about Batman that you can't change. Right? You can't change the iconography of the costume. You can tweak it, but you can't change. You can't have a Batman who doesn't have the bat ears. If you do that.

• 31:29Sean Fennessey?

  The audience and the movie studio is gonna be like, this is not Batman.

• 31:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 31:32Sean Fennessey?

  You know, and so like Robin Hood doesn't wear the Robin Hood hat.

• 31:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Sean Fennessey?

  And with the, with the feather and you know, there's no, the bow and arrow is not used in quite the same way. Like, so once you strip the character of some of those core things that give us that emotional association with the character, I don't know, it just, it, it does lose something.

• 31:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it's, you know, it's non-licensed IP. It's right, there's.

• 31:55Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's in the public domain.

• 31:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, exactly, but so there is no one controlling the use of the name, the image, whether or not it has the bat ears, how many things you're allowed to sell.

• 32:06Sean Fennessey?

  Is Batman going in the public domain soon? I think he is.

• 32:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:09Sean Fennessey?

  You know, Mickey Mouse is in the public domain.

• 32:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And so what will you do?

• 32:11Sean Fennessey?

  Make my own Batman film.

• 32:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, beautiful.

• 32:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it will call, be called Batman.

• 32:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Will it be done before or after Batman 2? The Batman 2?

• 32:18Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's a really good, what if I just made the Batman 2? But I, I played Batman.

• 32:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:24Sean Fennessey?

  I'm playing Batman and the Joker.

• 32:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 32:26Sean Fennessey?

  And Bane.

• 32:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 32:28Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 32:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, no, Chris is playing Bane.

• 32:30Sean Fennessey?

  Right, Chris is playing Bane. I'm playing Ra's al Ghul and also Talia al Ghul.

• 32:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:34Sean Fennessey?

  And I'm, I'm playing Poison Ivy.

• 32:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 32:37Sean Fennessey?

  And Harley Quinn.

• 32:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Beautiful.

• 32:38Sean Fennessey?

  I'm playing Clayface.

• 32:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Wow, you got the rights to that. So is Clayface in the public domain though?

• 32:45Sean Fennessey?

  No, I don't believe so.

• 32:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, are any of the rest of these characters in that? So that's tricky.

• 32:48Sean Fennessey?

  It's gonna be a while for some of those villains.

• 32:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so you just, you just have Batman 2.

• 32:51Sean Fennessey?

  I'm also playing Commissioner Gordon.

• 32:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:53Sean Fennessey?

  I'm playing, playing Barbara Gordon, AKA Batgirl.

• 32:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I didn't know that.

• 32:57Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I'm playing, I'm playing Mr. Freeze.

• 32:59Amanda Dobbins?

  His daughter? Alicia Silverstone was his daughter?

• 33:03Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know if that's canon in the Schumacher film.

• 33:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 33:05Sean Fennessey?

  I can't remember. I can't even remember who plays Commissioner Gordon in the Schumacher film. Uh, I'm also playing the Penguin.

• 33:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Again, what is, what's the legal status of these characters?

• 33:16Sean Fennessey?

  Not sure.

• 33:16Amanda Dobbins?

  You only have Batman.

• 33:17Sean Fennessey?

  You know, you know, I'm playing the Riddler.

• 33:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 33:19Sean Fennessey?

  I got a riddle.

• 33:22Sean Fennessey?

  Who else am I playing? I'm trying to think of some other Batman characters.

• 33:24Amanda Dobbins?

  So in one man show, coming to the end.

• 33:28Sean Fennessey?

  That sounds good.

• 33:28Amanda Dobbins?

  That sounds great. I'd see it.

• 33:30Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you. Thanks for your support. Batman, I would like to see the death of Batman. Cause you know, they killed Batman or they broke Batman's back and Batman went away in the 90s. When I was collecting comic books. Spain broke his back. That inspired the film, The Dark Knight Rises.

• 33:45Amanda Dobbins?

  They killed James Bond.

• 33:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Spoiler alert. Well, what's that film called? No Time To Die?

• 33:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, which came out in 2022. And they're also going to bring him back to life. So it's fine.

• 33:55Sean Fennessey?

  It's too bad. Robin Hood. I don't know. I haven't read all the texts.

• 34:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Which texts have you read?

• 34:04Sean Fennessey?

  Well, none of them, I think. Have you read the text? I mean, I gave your son the book.

• 34:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we did. We did start it. I thank you for thinking that he's at a middle school reading level, which he's not quite.

• 34:14Sean Fennessey?

  Well, no, you are though.

• 34:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I am.

• 34:16Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. So you can read to him.

• 34:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I would, I did. We did actually start reading it and I wouldn't say that his attention held.

• 34:23Sean Fennessey?

  Got it.

• 34:23Amanda Dobbins?

  For that one yet. And there was also a lot of like Spoketh, you know, which.

• 34:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, some old English.

• 34:29Amanda Dobbins?

  He's not there yet. Well, I don't know if it's old English. Did you have to do Beowulf in old English?

• 34:34Sean Fennessey?

  I did.

• 34:34Amanda Dobbins?

  So did we.

• 34:35Sean Fennessey?

  I did.

• 34:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you guys have to, did you guys have to do that at school?

• 34:37Speaker 03

  I never did Beowulf.

• 34:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Lucas?

• 34:39Speaker 04

  I did not.

• 34:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Not at all. Not even in modern English.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Negative.

• 34:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about education and how it's declined in the following segment.

• 34:51Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, we certainly will. It sounds like the 1370s is when Robin Hood first kicked up.

• 34:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 34:57Sean Fennessey?

  In the alliterative poem, Piers Plowman. This is what I read. And there was a quotation that later became a common proverb that many men speak of Robin Hood and never shot his bow.

• 35:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 35:07Sean Fennessey?

  And then the earliest surviving text is 15th century, Robin Hood and the Monk. Which I assume is a reference to Friar Tuck or that's where sort of where the Friar Tuck figure came from.

• 35:19Sean Fennessey?

  Typically seen as a contemporary supporter of the late 12th century king, King Richard the Lionheart. You're a Lionheart gal, right?

• 35:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, who's going to be King John? What a herb.

• 35:28Sean Fennessey?

  He sucks. Yeah, fuck him. So tale's been told many times, you know, there's a lot of films, the films.

• 35:36Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, there's not a lot of great ones.

• 35:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 35:38Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I'd never seen the 1922 film until I looked at it yesterday. It's on Tubi.

• 35:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 35:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um, directed by Alan Dwan, one of the, um, early pioneers of filmmaking. Uh, it stars Douglas Fairbanks, one of the great silent screen stars. It's pretty interesting. It's over two hours silent film that features, I think, a lot of the like. It establishes the cinematic tropes of Robin Hood. So when you go back and if you look at the 1938 version starring Errol Flynn, directed by Michael Curtiz. I think it's one of the last movies he makes before Casablanca.

• 36:13Sean Fennessey?

  You can see that movie riffing on the 22 Robin Hood. You can see in the 73 animated Robin Hood.

• 36:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:19Sean Fennessey?

  That you were referencing, the Disney classic. That movie is pulling from the Curtiz version. If you look at Robin and Marion, which is a Richard Lester movie with Sean Connery that came out in 76. Sean Connery and Audrey Hepburn. That movie is kind of riffing on the Curtiz version as well. If you look at Robin Hood starring Patrick Bergen in 91, or Prince of Thieves, which also came out in 91 starring Kevin Costner. Those movies are trying to kind of keep the framework, right?

• 36:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:46Sean Fennessey?

  Green jumpsuit, rob from the rich.

• 36:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 36:49Sean Fennessey?

  Steal from, or steal from the rich, give to the poor. Bow and arrow, Maid Marian, battling the sheriff.

• 36:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Things are unsettled in the Middle Ages.

• 37:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, there's a lot of, the Saxons are feeling rebellious, but they don't have a leader to inspire them.

• 37:08Amanda Dobbins?

  This is the second time you've said Saxons.

• 37:10Sean Fennessey?

  It's a huge thing in The Adventures of Robin Hood.

• 37:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know, but I just like.

• 37:13Sean Fennessey?

  Like Errol Flynn says the word Saxon like 300 times. And you know, they deserve to be free.

• 37:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 37:19Sean Fennessey?

  In the face of Prince John. Prince John played magnificently by Claude Rains in that film, I must say. What a, what a shitheel he was. And we just talked about Robin Hood Men in Tights.

• 37:28Amanda Dobbins?

  We did.

• 37:29Sean Fennessey?

  The Mel Brooks film, which is clearly riffing on Prince of Thieves, among other things, including this, this ancient myth. And so I feel like this more or less 55 year history between the Curtiz film and Robin Hood Men in Tights.

• 37:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:41Sean Fennessey?

  This kind of forms for two or three movie going generations, our idea of what Robin Hood is. Not just what Robin Hood is on the page, but just generally Rob, what Robin Hood is.

• 37:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, the basic, yeah.

• 37:52Sean Fennessey?

  Our understanding. And I think you, you're right to point out that the Disney film kind of codifies it at a very young age. And, you know, it's, it's been thirty-three years since, since Men in Tights. It's been thirty-five years since the Kevin Costner film, which famously features the worst accent in the history of movies. But it was like, wasn't a huge hit and isn't entertaining enough blockbuster, though very flawed. And since then, we've had two major US releases. One, Ridley Scott did his version of it in 2010, where he tries to like, it's almost like Avengers-ifying Robin Hood, you know, where like, all the Avengers characters in the Avengers movies like, are not as bright and shiny, they're all wearing like, black leather.

• 38:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 38:36Sean Fennessey?

  And it has like, a more stripped down, more serious.

• 38:40Amanda Dobbins?

  We're getting down to business.

• 38:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yeah, and like a bare knuckle.

• 38:43Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not all fun and games and playing, what's the shuttlecock in the?

• 38:49Sean Fennessey?

  Badminton?

• 38:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Badminton.

• 38:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 38:50Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what they play in Robin Hood, the little kids, and then Maid Marian gets it back.

• 38:54Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. It's, it's, it's Robin Hood: Colin Gladiator. That's the idea of that movie. And then in 2018, Taron Egerton played Robin Hood in another adaptation, which I thought was very unsuccessful. And there have been a lot of other, you know, many countries around the world have done their adaptations of these movies, but I would argue this is actually not a very impressive history.

• 39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 39:15Sean Fennessey?

  Relative to Shakespearean adaptation, for example, or what's, what's, what's another story like this that you think of that feels in the same vein of like, a long time folk tale that we've seen a lot of different iterations of?

• 39:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, until you said a lot of different iterations of, which we have in its own way, but I've been thinking a lot about The Odyssey.

• 39:37Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 39:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Because I'm, I'm trying my best, I don't know if I'm gonna get through the whole text of The Odyssey, I'm reading the Emily Wilson translation before the Christopher Nolan adaptation.

• 39:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, it has a great introduction, which is just kind of like, putting me through the paces of college again. And there's a lot about how this is a, this was a comment, like an oral tradition, as we know, that was eventually written down in one way by, you know, there are lots of authorship questions, Homer, quote unquote, but was it many people, was it pulled together different excerpts, was it one person who speaks and another person who writes, anyway?

• 40:17Sean Fennessey?

  Was it Time Magazine's Joe Klein?

• 40:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was. It's good. That was a good one. I liked it. So, but anyway, like a story, a framework of a story that has been handed down for years and years and years and years and then reinterpreted, put in different situations. In the case of The Odyssey, you know, just like a man trying to get home becomes the backbone of many, many different types of stories. And in that case, you know, until we see Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey, which is, seems to be like incredibly faithful and is set in the time and is using the same names as the characters, it's not an inspiration, it is they are just making The Odyssey.

• 41:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, feels like a proper adaptation.

• 41:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, which is kind of what has the Robin Hood strategy has been. And I think that's a challenge. And I think if you're not someone at Christopher Nolan or, you know, Michael Curtiz's level, then you run into trouble. And using mythology as inspiration rather than literal text tends to work better with stories of this kind. I mean, Shakespeare is the same way, where there have been a lot of very bad literal adaptations of Shakespeare. And then, you know, many great, oh, it's, you know, the taming of the shrew, but actually, you know, in a, in a 90s workplace or whatever.

• 41:38Sean Fennessey?

  Right, right. Yeah. Like, oh.

• 41:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 41:42Sean Fennessey?

  Set in a contemporary high school.

• 41:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that was not good, but I remember that.

• 41:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. There are, there are a lot of versions of this. I'm forgetting the ones that were at the tip of my tongue, but you know, a lot of the Hans Christian Andersen stories are like this, where you see these reimaginings. Disney has done this for years and years of taking these kind of like sacred and ancient stories and Filing them down. I mean, horror does this all the time. This is Dracula. This is Frankenstein.

• 42:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 42:08Sean Fennessey?

  These like, they become these foundational ideas that you can iterate upon. But if you stray too far from what makes us feel safe about the concept.

• 42:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 42:19Sean Fennessey?

  You feel like a little, like you violated something.

• 42:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Well, I mean, it's, it's, how much are you using it as story guidance or inspiration? And how much are we using it as IP? Right? Because as soon as you, and all of these are, they're trying to use free IP and Robin Hood is in the title. And so when you hear Robin Hood, or you hear Batman, or you hear Dracula, you know, you expect to see certain things. But then that sets in a whole level of expectations that you have to execute against, and it gets trickier.

• 42:51Sean Fennessey?

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• 43:34Sean Fennessey?

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• 43:40Sean Fennessey?

  This one, this one is tough. Robin Hood, I don't, I feel like it's maybe just dead IP. You know, I think sometimes maybe it can come back in some way.

• 43:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I think he is dead, according to the latest text, the death of Robin Hood.

• 43:54Sean Fennessey?

  You think everyone will now like acknowledge his death?

• 43:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:57Sean Fennessey?

  He'll stay dead. You don't think they'll revive him like Tony Stark? Is Tony Stark gonna get revived, do you think?

• 44:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I, people were screaming too loud for me to really catch on to the, the granular details of what we saw at CinemaCon.

• 44:09Sean Fennessey?

  They still haven't released that trailer.

• 44:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 44:11Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think's going on there for Avengers: Doomsday?

• 44:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Your guess is as good as mine. I don't understand why it's going up against Dune 3. I don't understand the Infinity vision. I don't know what's going on. I'm confused, and I was not impressed by the presentation.

• 44:25Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, thanks for weighing in. Speaking of Disney, Toy Story 5.

• 44:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Sean Fennessey?

  This should be an interesting conversation. Directed by Andrew Stanton. It is co-written by Stanton and Kenna Harris. This is... Stan has been involved, as I understand it, in every single Toy Story film to one extent or another. He also famously worked on Finding Nemo and Wally and is one of the icons of Pixar history. Whole Gang is back for this movie, including Tom Hanks as Woody, Tim Allen as Buzz Lightyear, Joan Cusack's back as Jessie. It's sort of Jessie's movie, this film. Some new additions to the cast, including Greta Lee, who plays Lily or Lily Pad, a device. Conan O'Brien as Smarty Pants, which is a... Was a real toy?

• 45:15Sean Fennessey?

  The sort of like toilet paper roll toy, as I recall. I think it's inspired by a real toy. Craig Robinson is Atlas and Shelby Ribara is Snappy. These are three new toys that are introduced in another home that we visit. Here's the story. After Woody left Bonnie to stay with Bo Peep and help abandon toys find owners, this is at the end of Toy Story 4, Jessie becomes the leader of Bonnie's room with Buzz Lightyear as her second-in-command. And now eight-year-old Bonnie has become enamored with her new favorite plaything, a frog-like tablet named Lily Pad, causing a crisis among traditional toys and prompting Buzz to call on Woody to return. What did you think of Toy Story 5?

• 45:56Amanda Dobbins?

  You want me to go first?

• 45:58Sean Fennessey?

  You always go first.

• 45:59Amanda Dobbins?

  So, well, would you like to go first?

• 46:01Sean Fennessey?

  I'll go first.

• 46:01Amanda Dobbins?

  This is your time. Go ahead.

• 46:02Sean Fennessey?

  I thought this movie was beautiful. I loved it so much. I had the best time at this movie.

• 46:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That's nice.

• 46:06Sean Fennessey?

  Do I think it has flaws? Sure.

• 46:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:08Sean Fennessey?

  I don't give a fuck about the flaws. I was so happy to be back with my friends and I was so happy to watch my daughter watch this movie. And I thought this was a fascinating movie about female friendship, and I'm not afraid to say it.

• 46:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree with that.

• 46:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 46:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Here's what I say. For children, I think that this is a great and important movie with lessons about friendship and creativity and technology. And I also think, you know, the voice performances, the characterization, there are several kind of dream or imagination sequences in this movie. They're wonderful. Like, it is funny and creative and the Toy Story universe is A+. As a parent who saw this by herself at 2:00 PM... And as a thinking adult, there is some nonsensical and also some deeply craven stuff in the construction of the morals of this movie that I think will go over kids'

• 47:06Amanda Dobbins?

  heads and doesn't matter, but that I alone, watching, was a little irked by.

• 47:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's probably a good thing that you and I viewed this in different ways. I saw this with Eileen and Alice. Eileen and I, of course, love the Toy Story franchise, have grown up on the Toy Story franchise. We were 12 years old when the first film came out.

• 47:29Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I had a very fond place in my heart for this. In some ways, this is not a typical Toy Story movie because Woody and Buzz are, to some extent, more sidelined than they are in other films. It's sort of evolving past them in some ways. They're still important to the third act of the movie and being a part of the big save that always happens in one of these films. But like I said, this is really Jesse's movie. It's really, not to put too fine a point on it, but it's really a movie about girls. And even though Bonnie was in the last film, I wouldn't say that this is a movie franchise that has focused on the story of girls as much. It started with Andy, a lot of the heroes are male, even some of the female figures that are introduced into it, like Bo Peep or Mrs. Potato Head. Never really had a center on that.

• 48:12Sean Fennessey?

  And so for me to see it, and for me to also be in a period in my life where my daughter is figuring out how to make friends, and kind of like what that means to make friends, and what are going to be established in long-running friendships, and what are friendships that are more transient? And if you're a little bit eccentric, how do some people receive your eccentricity socially? Just something I think even adults still think about.

• 48:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course.

• 48:32Sean Fennessey?

  As someone who was just at a large gathering with our families yesterday, and I was like, which of these parents want to talk to me? And who do I want to talk to? I found the movie to be really warm and really thoughtful and considerate about all those things. I think I'll probably agree with a lot of the notes that you have about some of the plot. Complications and confusions and like this sort of like corner cutting. I think there's some corner cutting in the movie to get the story rolling in certain places. But and I'm also really glad that you circled that those moments of sort of imagination that the movie, which they've done versions of this before, but it does it really well in this movie, which is when kids are playing with toys, when Bonnie is playing with her toys,

• 49:16Sean Fennessey?

  and we see her vision of what's happening in the world of her mind with these characters. And it's much more elevated and gorgeous and it has a different animation style. That stuff to me is like top shelf animated movie storytelling. I loved two major sequences that did that. So yeah, I had a really, really great time with the movie. I really liked it. But I want, I want to hear some of your

• 49:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well,

• 49:42Sean Fennessey?

  Mom Alone viewing.

• 49:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, well, let's talk about the, the female friendship and the way it uses the Bonnie character. And then there's a new character Blaze. And they're positioned against kind of all the other kids in the universe, who both are glued to their screens, like, you know, the, the people in, you know, I thought of Wally, but, but there's also some Ready Player One to it.

• 50:12Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely.

• 50:13Amanda Dobbins?

  And then they're all real assholes.

• 50:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I think the insinuation there is if you're locked into your screen.

• 50:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And, and, and there's also a little bit of insinuation of that, like, because they are the screen and the social media, the lily pad in this case, is what is organizing their communication and their relationship, that that method of, or that vessel of friendship kind of sullies it and brings out the worst in people, which I think is very true.

• 50:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 50:43Amanda Dobbins?

  But I do think you're speaking of shortcuts, that there is sort of the, the bad tech equals bad people simplification is just a little lazy.

• 50:54Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 50:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're

• 50:55Sean Fennessey?

  These girls haven't found the real real yet, so they don't know. They don't know the wonders that can be discovered.

• 51:00Amanda Dobbins?

  There have been mean girls since the beginning of time.

• 51:02Sean Fennessey?

  True.

• 51:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And they organize in packs and they prey upon the, you know, the more creative or just the, the people who don't conform. And in this case, they're, she's not conforming to technology. But it almost like simplifies what I think is A complex thing between young people where they're just, and girls in particular are really mean.

• 51:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 51:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And they pick out the people who are quote unquote different.

• 51:29Sean Fennessey?

  No, I know. So the backbone of the story is, is that this young girl Bonnie has some struggles making friends. There's a very poignant moment early in the film where she is playing with her dolls and a group of neighbor kids see her.

• 51:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:44Sean Fennessey?

  And they see her playing with these analog toys. And she has a moment where she tries to engage them with one of the toys and they laugh at her.

• 51:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:51Sean Fennessey?

  And that sends her into a kind of an emotional tailspin about, well, I don't have friends. And she learns that, you know, some of her other friends from dance class all have these screens. And so her parents get her a screen, a device.

• 52:04Amanda Dobbins?

  She doesn't learn that. Her parents.

• 52:06Sean Fennessey?

  Her parents learn it.

• 52:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Respond to this. She goes in to her parents and she says, like, why don't I have any friends? And they, like, good engaged parents, you know, freak out, give her hugs, you're so special, et cetera, and then immediately panic by an iPad.

• 52:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 52:21Amanda Dobbins?

  This called a lily pad in this context.

• 52:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 52:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Which, who can blame them? It's 1,000% relatable.

• 52:26Sean Fennessey?

  It is. I know. I know. I want to have a screen time conversation with you eventually.

• 52:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:33Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe let's wait until we get through the movie. So this iPad is a portal to, to.

• 52:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 52:40Sean Fennessey?

  To community and then negativity, which is frankly what a lot of screens are in general, for us as well, for adults as well. And she connects with these girls from her dance class and she's invited over for a sleepover, but it becomes very clear early on that, one, these kids are only engaged in what's happening on their screens, even when they're together in person. And two, that there is a kind of like competitiveness to the experience where, one, they're always playing games.

• 53:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:06Sean Fennessey?

  And two, if you're not speaking on their level about living inside of this world, that you're going to feel alienated. And Bonnie is the least experienced in this space and quickly becomes alienated. And she's trapped between this feeling of wanting to play with her toys and wanting to have friends and be on her lily pad. You know, because it's a Toy Story movie, the lily pad, of course, has a mind of Its own and is its own character. I thought Gretel Lee's performance was very good.

• 53:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Very good.

• 53:32Sean Fennessey?

  Very funny.

• 53:33Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's written very well. The clip of, you know, Jesse saying, you weren't even listening. And the lily pad saying, I'm always listening and then playing it and translating it into Spanish. And I was very funny. You know, this movie understands all of its subjects very well. And in trying to simplify it for kids, I do think just kind of skips over some things or over, oversimplifies.

• 53:57Sean Fennessey?

  It does. The looming specter, the sort of Hal 9000 quality of Lily Pad is very, very funny in the movie and effective. It, it is a very powerful device, though, in the film. That's one thing is that it's capable of doing a lot of things.

• 54:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 54:11Sean Fennessey?

  I would imagine, were I to give my child an iPad.

• 54:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 54:14Sean Fennessey?

  Which is not something that I have done yet. It would certainly not be connected to the internet, at least not at first.

• 54:19Amanda Dobbins?

  So, I mean, there's just, the concept of parental controls or parental settings does not exist.

• 54:24Sean Fennessey?

  It doesn't come up.

• 54:25Amanda Dobbins?

  In this universe.

• 54:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 54:26Amanda Dobbins?

  And the kids are just doing whatever they want. And then the toys are also doing whatever they want. Because at some point, the toys, in an effort to help Bonnie make friends and to, you know, right wrongs and, you know, connect people who should be friends in real life, the toys jailbreak the lily pad and various other devices. And invite parents to random addresses. And there's just, and there's a level of scam and internet. Like not, what's the, internet danger?

• 54:59Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:01Amanda Dobbins?

  That is completely unexamined and unbelievable in this movie.

• 55:04Sean Fennessey?

  I can't argue with that point. There's definitely some stuff where you're like, I wouldn't go to that person's house if I got a message on my daughter's iPad that I should come to that house. That's not enough to go on a long drive to a stranger's home on a horse ranch. Now, I will say, one of the things I really like about the movie is that the iPad, the lily pad character is contrasted with another young girl, this Blaze character that you're talking about, who is a horse girl.

• 55:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:30Sean Fennessey?

  Who's living on a ranch. And who is really in the real world. She is really like, she is still a kid who plays with her toys. She's a little older than Bonnie, maybe a year or so older than Bonnie. And she, they're, they're kindred spirits. They're like-minded, they don't know each other, they haven't met. But they're, we're meant to see this connection. And Blaze is like also kind of longing for connection and friendship, but also feels like maybe a little more confidence in liking the things that she likes. She has this huge collection of horse dolls. And she kind of like, she had, she identifies as a person that is comfortable in this world. And she somehow comes upon ownership of Jessie and Bullseye.

• 56:09Amanda Dobbins?

  So Blaze lives at Jessie's first kid's old home, which we see in flashback.

• 56:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 56:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And Jessie has Blaze's address, the address of her first kid's home, the horse ranch, written on the inside of her boot. So she is returned by some really old people, along with the, forgive me, I've forgotten the horse's name.

• 56:34Sean Fennessey?

  Bullseye.

• 56:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Bullseye, along with Bullseye, to the original ranch, which is where Blaze lives in. Because Blaze is also, you know, understands the power of childhood. Immediately takes these friends in, plays with them, makes these toys her own. She's not above toys like the other mean girls. Blaze also does get dumped unceremoniously, unceremoniously via lily pad, by a friend who's just like, lol, I'm not coming over. And that's all you get. Again, some of the characterization here.

• 57:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's me canceling plans. Sorry, I can't come.

• 57:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Lol, haha, I mean, it is true.

• 57:13Amanda Dobbins?

  But, so then Blaze and Bonnie are connected via the toys and the internet,

• 57:22Amanda Dobbins?

  by their love of. Of playing?

• 57:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 57:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Their sense of wonder.

• 57:26Sean Fennessey?

  One of my favorite revelations in the movie is when Woody and Buzz, Woody eventually returns home.

• 57:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 57:31Sean Fennessey?

  He's called back.

• 57:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:32Sean Fennessey?

  By Buzz, because they need to team up, the old gang. And when they realize that the Siri-like apparatus within Lily Pad, in which Lily Pad has to do everything that they ask it, is if it uses direct address, is extremely funny. But using that tool that allows them to connect Bonnie and Blaze and allows for a friendship, allows for the potential of a friendship at least. I don't know, I thought the movie was really, really sensitive and thoughtful about this. And now, a couple of things about this. One, you know, my daughter's about to be five, yours turned four this year.

• 58:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:05Sean Fennessey?

  Your oldest. We haven't gotten to this point that these characters are in. So our relationship even with what we let our kids do with screens, or even kind of what the nature of friendship, and I'm obviously very attuned now to female friendship. And my daughter has this really like expanding world of friends. And every day I hear about a new person and I can't tell if this person is my daughter's favorite person on earth or somebody she started talking to yesterday.

• 58:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 58:32Sean Fennessey?

  But I feel like a real sensitivity towards it. My wife feels a real sensitivity towards it too. And we just, you just want your kid to be happy. You just want your kid to feel accepted and connected. And I think this is, I have not seen a lot of movies that do this this well. That like, that really allow Bonnie to be sad in the way that she's sad. That like, let you sit inside of Blaze's sadness when that friend breaks a plan. And so this is kind of like Disclosure Day for me, where I'm like, I'm willing to overlook some of the jankiness of the plotting.

• 59:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:04Sean Fennessey?

  Because I felt very moved by what the movie really has on its mind. And in an effort to get there, it kind of has to elide some natural logic.

• 59:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:12Sean Fennessey?

  But I'm also, I'm very open to the criticism as well.

• 59:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Did Alice respond to it? Did she understand like why those girls were being mean and?

• 59:21Sean Fennessey?

  Um, not really, because she doesn't have a screen. So she, I think she didn't really like see that that can like.

• 59:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But she didn't, but the, the basic mean girl stuff.

• 59:29Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no, she knows about that.

• 59:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, sure. Yeah, they all do. But like, did she, did she understand that those were the mean girls? And that it's more, like, did that connect with her?

• 59:38Sean Fennessey?

  I think she was touched by seeing Bonnie and Blaze eventually find a way to make a connection. You know, I think the, the film's final 30 minutes, as with all of these Toy Story movies, you know, whether it is a manipulative, manipulative formula, or a hard earned

• 59:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 59:54Sean Fennessey?

  slice of imaginative storytelling. You can say it's both, the Pixar brand at this point. But there's a moment where Jessie has a realization when she discovers something about.

• 1:00:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Sean Fennessey?

  The impact that she.

• 1:00:05Amanda Dobbins?

  That was silly, but yes.

• 1:00:06Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, my God, I was.

• 1:00:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You were crying?

• 1:00:08Sean Fennessey?

  Bawling. I was so moved by that. I loved that. Um, I know, I won't spoil it for listeners.

• 1:00:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought it was pretty unearned.

• 1:00:15Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:00:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Just because it was another character, it's, you know.

• 1:00:19Sean Fennessey?

  I know, but the whole point of these movies is like, these toys are having existential crises about their value in the world.

• 1:00:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:00:25Sean Fennessey?

  Because the kids discard them, right? So that's, that's like something we've seen happen to Woody. It's something we've seen happen to Buzz over the years. I think giving Jessie her chance to also be a character who is, has this existential doubt about her value.

• 1:00:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:00:37Sean Fennessey?

  Of being like passed down and discarded over time. So I really liked that. And then I think Alice got it. I think she understood. I mean, I think it's a little bit less psychological at four and five around like, am I valued? Am I accepted? What do I like and what do my friends like?

• 1:00:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Sean Fennessey?

  We have been talking with her a little bit about that recently about sort of like, what are the kinds of people that you're interested in and drawn to? And why do you like them? And that's like a very new concept for all of us.

• 1:01:06Sean Fennessey?

  But I, I thought the movie was pretty sophisticated about that.

• 1:01:10Sean Fennessey?

  But we also, Alice doesn't have an iPad. In fact, I don't know if she's ever held an iPad other than on a plane.

• 1:01:18Sean Fennessey?

  She's not allowed to watch TV during the week.

• 1:01:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:01:21Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, we're pretty stringent. Now, we may not be stringent like any year.

• 1:01:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:01:27Sean Fennessey?

  It was definitely a holdover of like, don't let your kids watch TV until they're three. And like, we've kind of tried to follow some of those guidelines.

• 1:01:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not saying we're right or wrong. Everybody's point of view on this is different. We also only have one kid. I think when you have two kids or five kids or whatever, it's like, it's a lot harder to manage these things. So I try to be not judgmental about this at all. But.

• 1:01:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, and also, the movie is also conflating a lot of screen things. It's not just that, like, there is a screen. It's not an iPad. It's not, you know, there's social media. There's the internet aspect of it. There's a lot of gaming. There's a lot of, we don't actually see her watching a TV show or a movie.

• 1:02:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 1:02:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 1:02:03Sean Fennessey?

  The irony while watching a movie.

• 1:02:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Um, so it's not just that it's like a literal technological screen. It's what's happening on it. And it, to me, was geared much more towards social media, like, and interactive behaviors and like, and like, life lived on a screen.

• 1:02:23Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 1:02:23Amanda Dobbins?

  As opposed to entertainment.

• 1:02:25Sean Fennessey?

  Which, you know, I heard, I heard Andy Greenwell talking about this with his daughters on The Watch recently because they went to go see The Last Digital Circus.

• 1:02:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:02:34Sean Fennessey?

  Because his younger daughter is really interested in that film, in that, that YouTube series. And his older daughter was not interested in it. But like, that's a thing where you reach a certain age and you, you are allowed access to a device.

• 1:02:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:02:47Sean Fennessey?

  And it can kind of change your world. I mean, it can, it can change how you want to spend all your time. And I, I think it's persuasive. I think it's the plotting is a little rickety of the story, but I think the idea is on point, which is.

• 1:03:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:03:02Sean Fennessey?

  If you let kids into this world, it can take over and it can make you a little meaner. It can make you a little bit more callous.

• 1:03:09Amanda Dobbins?

  1,000%. I think the overall message and moral, and also just the basic idea that the more a child, the more time a child spends on these, like, programs and then these types of screen life.

• 1:03:25Amanda Dobbins?

  That are as absorbing, that are meant to take you away from the actual world, that you lose the ability to connect in the real world.

• 1:03:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Amanda Dobbins?

  And to, whether it's playing with toys, or talking to someone, or like having a sense of imagination, you know, they, the animation style of Bonnie's eyes when she's looking at the screen is, is very smart and perceptive and communicates the, the way your brain and just like sense of focus.

• 1:03:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:03:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Adjust with these programs. So, or you know, the games or whatever. So, I think it's a hundred percent right. It is like, again, it's oversimplified and I think that it's not really, it's, you know, it's not all or nothing for anyone. And they, they do, there are many shots where toys are beholding the entire neighborhood and every window is lit up with a child staring at its screen all the time. And listen, like, kids are looking at screens. I left the house this morning and my, my two sons and husband were watching the US Open.

• 1:04:27Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Because our, our nanny is sick and he has one arm and like, what's life? So, if you looked inside through our window, it would also be lit up the same way.

• 1:04:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I do feel like there is, people may disagree with me, but I do feel like there is a delineation between watching television and watching a screen. Because that, even though they're watching, that's still a communal event. And the individualization of staring at a screen, I do see as different. Maybe, maybe it's a thin difference. Maybe it's not all that meaningful. But watching sports with people is social.

• 1:04:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I mean, I agree. I also think there's a major difference between watching movies and watching television, which, you know, she, the person who doesn't know how to watch television would say, but there's something about like the episodic watch, especially in the streaming era. And we know that everything is engineered to.

• 1:05:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, more, more, more.

• 1:05:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, here's another one. Watch another one. Watch another one. That's training to your brain in a different way as opposed to sitting down and watching a story. So, the movie doesn't get into all of that. Does it need to for a seven-year-old to understand that, you know, it's probably better to go outside and play with your toys or your friends than stare at a screen all the time? No. So, it does, it doesn't matter. I had some. I had some issues with the second and third act and the resolution and the way it incorporate, the way the film tries to have it both ways.

• 1:05:43Sean Fennessey?

  Say more.

• 1:05:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Specifically introduces three kinda mid-tier devices. The Conan toy is, it's a toilet paper toy. It's a battery-operated potty training toy. Did you use one of these?

• 1:05:58Sean Fennessey?

  I did not.

• 1:05:58Amanda Dobbins?

  We did not either. But it will be familiar to any parent or aunt or uncle or anyone of the, just a very loud toy that won't shut up.

• 1:06:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:08Amanda Dobbins?

  We've got a vacuum that I just, I don't know how you turn it off.

• 1:06:11Sean Fennessey?

  We don't have very many of those in our house.

• 1:06:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, we, and we have so many trucks and, you know, we've got a tractor. We've got a recycling truck.

• 1:06:20Sean Fennessey?

  We have a Barbie plane.

• 1:06:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, and my sons go to your house and immediately turn on the Barbie plane. We have, and there are some toys that don't turn on. And Si, who's not even two, will bring it over and hand it to you and just say, on, on, on, because he wants it to make noise like all the other toys.

• 1:06:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:37Amanda Dobbins?

  So, you know, but that's already, that's an example of that is a tiny child who doesn't have a full vocabulary, but understands that there are some toys that have lights and sound and they're more interesting to him than the other toys.

• 1:06:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:06:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Then there's a digital, a kid's digital camera.

• 1:06:54Sean Fennessey?

  This is something, by the way, that really started around our youth.

• 1:06:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Sean Fennessey?

  Where this kind of digitized toy was really first starting to hit. And it's obviously become now more derigger.

• 1:07:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And so there's a, a kid's digital camera, which is a thing.

• 1:07:08Sean Fennessey?

  Snappy.

• 1:07:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, snappy. And then what is the third one?

• 1:07:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's an atlas.

• 1:07:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:07:14Sean Fennessey?

  And it's, is it a hippo's mouth? I think it's a hippo's mouth that operates as an atlas and can tell you like locations.

• 1:07:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's creepy from a basic GPS location situation, which, you know, it's sort of bringing in internet danger, stranger danger, like a little bit, but then.

• 1:07:30Sean Fennessey?

  These devices are all also communicating in a, through, with lily pad. There is like.

• 1:07:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:07:34Sean Fennessey?

  There's some step skipping going on in terms of how these devices would be connected.

• 1:07:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you know, the fact that the toilet training paper, like toilet paper roll can communicate with lily pad makes no sense and is also an indictment of like, you know, the smart app. Home systems that we have, I don't need my air conditioner to talk to the internet. You know, I just don't. I know you have it and I disabled mine. I, no, thank you. But-

• 1:08:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's really more of a, just all of the climate stuff in our home is all connected? The house came that way. I don't, I didn't, I didn't install that.

• 1:08:10Amanda Dobbins?

  But you know, it's like the dishwasher is now also-

• 1:08:13Sean Fennessey?

  We don't have that, yeah.

• 1:08:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like our, our washer dryer, we got a new one a few years ago and you could hook it up to the internet. Why would I need to do that? But also presumably with my children and their toys with the right tools could hook it up to Lily Pad and then invite strangers over to our house to communicate with toys, which is a real thing that happens unexamined. Anyway. So these devices are lying forgotten in a hall drawer and they haven't been charged in a while, which is very apt and funny. And they get reanimated by Jessie in order to try-

• 1:08:49Sean Fennessey?

  She charges them.

• 1:08:50Amanda Dobbins?

  She charges them because she wants them to help her get home. And so then they become invested in this goal of reuniting Blaze and Bonnie and helping them a confined friendship. And so it's like, oh, actually the smart toys can be used for good. And then Lily Pad has like a real sudden, out of nowhere-

• 1:09:15Sean Fennessey?

  Existential nightmare.

• 1:09:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And just shuts herself down and tries to give herself away.

• 1:09:22Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I thought this was pure sci-fi. I enjoyed it. You know, it's like when the AI becomes conscious and realizes that it too is fallible and it kind of melts. That's, that is kind of in 2001. We talked about this with Spielberg.

• 1:09:31Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I know. But like, we all know that that's not actually what, that's-

• 1:09:35Sean Fennessey?

  No. Well, it's also toys are not real, Amanda. So this is a film.

• 1:09:39Amanda Dobbins?

  But this is, this is a movie made by an animation company that was founded by a tech company that is engineering all the plots so that the toys and the devices can team up together and act for good in support of this child. And so the devices help. And this leads to the, the final spoiler alert.

• 1:09:58Sean Fennessey?

  I knew you were not going to enjoy this part. Yeah.

• 1:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. First of all, there are like 45 Buzz Light Years. There's like, and that creeped me out. Just, there were a lot of them.

• 1:10:07Sean Fennessey?

  Series of Buzz Light Years clearly in a, in a shipping container, crash land somewhere. They all come online.

• 1:10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:10:15Sean Fennessey?

  And they all need to find Star Command.

• 1:10:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Sean Fennessey?

  And so they team up together and they travel and they find the mainland. They find themselves entrenched in this Bonnie Blaze

• 1:10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:10:24Sean Fennessey?

  Union effort.

• 1:10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  But it just, a lot of Buzz Lightyear's All at Once is like, pretty creepy to me.

• 1:10:29Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's on purpose.

• 1:10:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so, so, good job. And then they get Lily Pad back, everybody's syncing up, charging, sharing data, locations, you know, it's a, it's a free communication universe. And the final thing they have to do in order to get Bonnie and Blaze together is that they gotta scan a QR code so that Buzz can get a app update, an iOS update.

• 1:10:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And that is when I almost walked out of the theater.

• 1:11:00Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:11:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Because I just, hinging all of this around an iOS update, a software update, being essential to our human life, is both existentially depressing and also the most ridiculous propaganda from these fucking companies that just need to make us update less. Like, I can't, I can't be updating all the time. Fucking figure it out. Get stuff right at the beginning so I don't have to update every five minutes. You sloppy idiots. The end.

• 1:11:40Sean Fennessey?

  So, what I'm hearing here is you don't like updates.

• 1:11:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I hate updates.

• 1:11:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't understand, why is this, why is this controversial?

• 1:11:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Why, why are updates controversial?

• 1:11:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Why do we have to do it every five minutes? Sonos is asking me to update every single day. Spotify shuts down my laptop once a week to give engineering updates that I don't need. As I, what I need is an internet connection and my mind, okay?

• 1:12:08Sean Fennessey?

  We gotta, we gotta get you a Knicks championship in your life. You gotta let go of this.

• 1:12:13Amanda Dobbins?

  The updates, this doesn't drive you absolutely, how often are you updating all of your apps?

• 1:12:18Sean Fennessey?

  As soon as they pop up.

• 1:12:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you, you're opening App Store every day and being like, sure, update?

• 1:12:23Sean Fennessey?

  I think I have everything set on auto update.

• 1:12:24Amanda Dobbins?

  You're letting them control your phone?

• 1:12:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sure. They're controlling everything already.

• 1:12:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Why, this is, I mean, this is cookies all over.

• 1:12:31Sean Fennessey?

  What do you, what do you think you're, you think you're in charge of anything? Sure, surely you jest.

• 1:12:35Amanda Dobbins?

  You're, why are you letting them get into your phone and update everything?

• 1:12:39Sean Fennessey?

  You're buying clothes on the internet every day. They have everything they'll ever need. They have your face, they have your sizing, they have your credit card, they have your ID numbers.

• 1:12:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:51Sean Fennessey?

  You put your social security number in when you're flying on a plane, it's over. You're lost.

• 1:12:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Do the airlines have my social security?

• 1:12:57Sean Fennessey?

  Certain that they do.

• 1:12:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, I mean, I'm sure that they do, but not because of me.

• 1:13:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. You know who has all of your personal and private information? Donald Trump.

• 1:13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but still.

• 1:13:07Sean Fennessey?

  What are we fighting on here?

• 1:13:08Amanda Dobbins?

  It's on principle.

• 1:13:09Sean Fennessey?

  Updates from.

• 1:13:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, I just.

• 1:13:10Sean Fennessey?

  From the Buzz Lightyear app?

• 1:13:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It's honestly, it's not, it's not an idea, it's not, I know they have everything, that's fine. Um, and I know that AI is trained on us.

• 1:13:21Sean Fennessey?

  The CIA is listening to this episode.

• 1:13:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, and I wish them not very well. Um, I think you guys should reconsider some

• 1:13:29Sean Fennessey?

  They're using your tapes to overthrow a nation right now.

• 1:13:32Amanda Dobbins?

  We are accepting their texts. No, we're not. Um, so here's my thing, is that I just, it's so frequent, it's so annoying, I really just need them to handle their business. This is part of my like, I don't like, I don't like process, I don't like, why don't you figure it out and get it right? And then you can ask for my time and attention.

• 1:13:53Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:13:53Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what I have to say.

• 1:13:55Sean Fennessey?

  And so because of that Buzz Lightyear developing the ability to fly.

• 1:13:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Sean Fennessey?

  Due to an app update.

• 1:14:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I just.

• 1:14:02Sean Fennessey?

  Makes you want to leave the theater.

• 1:14:04Amanda Dobbins?

  It is, it's the justification of, it is centering your entire movie around the justification of fucking updates every five minutes. Also, you know what?

• 1:14:16Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not sure if I saw it that way, but I understand what you're saying.

• 1:14:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, this is a movie about playing with toys, so shouldn't the children be helping him fly?

• 1:14:24Sean Fennessey?

  Perhaps.

• 1:14:25Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go.

• 1:14:25Sean Fennessey?

  Perhaps. Um, I think we do eventually get there in the story. I do think we eventually see that the purpose of toys is to be a portal to imagination, is to be able to.

• 1:14:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It's true.

• 1:14:37Sean Fennessey?

  You know, access a part of your mind.

• 1:14:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Sean Fennessey?

  And a part of your true self. Listen, I was a toy kid. It will come as no surprise. I love toys. I try to give my daughter toys because I.

• 1:14:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Top five toys.

• 1:14:48Sean Fennessey?

  Top five toys, Jesus fucking Christ.

• 1:14:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, what's like, what speaks to you? And did you have, did you have like a special?

• 1:14:55Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I had a Batmobile. That was awesome.

• 1:14:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:14:58Sean Fennessey?

  That was truly awesome. I, here's what I collected. He-Man.

• 1:15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:15:02Sean Fennessey?

  Star Wars.

• 1:15:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:04Sean Fennessey?

  Figures from Kenner. Um, G.I. Joe, of course. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

• 1:15:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:10Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I had WWF wrestlers.

• 1:15:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:15:14Sean Fennessey?

  Opposable wrestlers. That's probably my core.

• 1:15:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. And did you have one special?

• 1:15:21Sean Fennessey?

  I was a He-Man kid. I was a He-Man kid.

• 1:15:23Amanda Dobbins?

  But did you have, I mean, like, not even like a lovey?

• 1:15:26Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't have like a stuffed animal or, I didn't, no, I didn't have that. I didn't have my one thing that I needed. No, did you?

• 1:15:31Amanda Dobbins?

  No, of course not.

• 1:15:32Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:15:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 1:15:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, my wife still has the, her teddy bear that she grew up with.

• 1:15:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And Knox has sort of like a blanket that is his thing. He's, he's Linus coated. But, but Si has Leo, you know, and Leo, like I had, I had to import more.

• 1:15:49Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's part of why this franchise is so good. It's like, this is real.

• 1:15:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I get it.

• 1:15:52Sean Fennessey?

  This is an actual thing that as now that we are child rears, like we know that this is something, this is a rite of passage.

• 1:15:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:58Sean Fennessey?

  You develop a relationship with a physical object and that thing gives you a sense of peace, grace, creativity. Um, you know, this franchise has also always been a little bit of trying to have it both ways where on the one hand, you've got Woody and Buzz, these created characters who are not based on anything real.

• 1:16:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:17Sean Fennessey?

  But then you also like Barbie has appeared in, in this franchise, you know, Mr. Potato Head is a real toy. Um, there, there are real toy, Etch A Sketch, for example, is a real toy that was part of this franchise. So it has always been trying to walk the line between the kind of branded content component of, of toy purchase and then also these original characters that they now own and can sell you over and over again.

• 1:16:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Branded, yes.

• 1:16:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Um, I really liked it. Sounds like you're a little bit more mixed. I understand your, your notes are fair.

• 1:16:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I also, I don't know that I'm going to take my son to see it.

• 1:16:52Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:16:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 1:16:53Sean Fennessey?

  Sheesh.

• 1:16:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Really just from a time perspective.

• 1:16:57Sean Fennessey?

  You think this is better than Minions of Mon, this isn't better than Minions of Monsters.

• 1:17:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess it is, but I had way more fun at Minions and Monsters.

• 1:17:08Sean Fennessey?

  That's like, that's like the two genders of movie taste right there.

• 1:17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It's my type of comedy. I mean, I thought this was charming and insightful.

• 1:17:16Sean Fennessey?

  Toy Story 5 is not that funny. It's very, very emotional.

• 1:17:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And...

• 1:17:21Sean Fennessey?

  It's not very funny, you're right.

• 1:17:23Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, do I prefer movie references to tech references? Yes, I do. That's just one woman's opinion.

• 1:17:28Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, well, we'll come back to Minions and Monsters when it's released.

• 1:17:32Sean Fennessey?

  Before we talk about the Toy Story franchise.

• 1:17:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Sean Fennessey?

  Pixar now.

• 1:17:40Sean Fennessey?

  So we spoke about Hoppers earlier this year. It's coming just under $400 million, which is low on the Pixar end, but for an original animated movie is pretty good. It's the highest grossing Pixar original since Coco, which is almost 10 years ago. Inside Out 2, Toy Story 4, and Incredibles 2 are the billion-dollar movies from the last 10 years. This movie is clearly going to be a billion-dollar movie.

• 1:18:05Sean Fennessey?

  It does feel like, my sense of things right now is that Pixar is kind of where Marvel was like five or six years ago. You know, where it was like, the big brands are still very big and will continue to be big. And if Marvel put out a Captain America movie starring Chris Evans, it would make $800 million.

• 1:18:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:18:24Sean Fennessey?

  But if they try to tweak it or change it or launch something new, there are much bigger challenges. Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts, Shang-Chi, Black Widow, those movies are not as big as what Avengers: Doomsday is going to be. Does that make sense? Or Guardians 3 is an example.

• 1:18:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you know, they have their established IP now, and they did manage to create real IP themselves.

• 1:18:46Sean Fennessey?

  A bunch of things. I mean, they've got a bunch of them they can go back to.

• 1:18:49Amanda Dobbins?

  But we're in the 3s and 4s and Toy Story 5s now, and that is what makes money, just as it does, you know, in superhero movies, really anywhere else at the box office.

• 1:19:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. There's not a lot of great movies that are the fifth installment of a franchise. I've always intended to do an episode, the best fours, fives and sixes.

• 1:19:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:19:14Sean Fennessey?

  I was just having a conversation yesterday with somebody about the Friday the 13th franchise.

• 1:19:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Got it.

• 1:19:17Sean Fennessey?

  And how I think four, four, five and six in that franchise is quite good.

• 1:19:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Does this-

• 1:19:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's very uncommon.

• 1:19:24Amanda Dobbins?

  If you're, if you're rebooting a franchise?

• 1:19:26Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think that counts.

• 1:19:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That counts, so like the X-Men wouldn't count, yeah, okay.

• 1:19:30Sean Fennessey?

  I think just the linear execution of a franchise, like even-

• 1:19:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Fast Five.

• 1:19:34Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that has been, that was cited actually when we were talking, that Fast Five would be one of the, you know, I'm not as big on the Fast Five as you.

• 1:19:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:40Sean Fennessey?

  But I acknowledge that it is like the best in that franchise and that's unusual for that to happen. It would just be a good episode one day, I think.

• 1:19:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:48Sean Fennessey?

  But this is pretty good. And then Gato, which has a teaser now, is coming in the spring and that's an original, that's more like Hoppers. And then Incredibles 3 is the film that follows that in 2028, which is not directed by Brad Bird, is directed by Peter Son, who directed Elemental and The Good Dinosaur.

• 1:20:07Sean Fennessey?

  Brad Bird's new movie is coming from Netflix later this year, which is called Raygun, which I believe is a film he started developing at Pixar and is like his, it's an animated noir film? It's like a detective movie?

• 1:20:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:20:22Sean Fennessey?

  That is supposed to be terrific. It's what, it was like one of the, consider one of the best unmade scripts in Hollywood for a really long time. But he's not directing Incredibles 3, which is quite fascinating.

• 1:20:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:34Sean Fennessey?

  So yeah, Pixar, I don't know, if they can make Hoppers and Gato, if they keep making those, if they don't stop.

• 1:20:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And also if they can reach like a middle tier of success.

• 1:20:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right?

• 1:20:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I think you'd probably want to be more like five, 600 million dollars for movies like that, but this, Hoppers did pretty good.

• 1:20:55Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's like, we do have a Hoppers-

• 1:21:00Sean Fennessey?

  Beaver?

• 1:21:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Beaver, thank you, sorry. I was walrus hedgehog. I was doing a lot of T-things. Yeah, beaver in our home that I think that my mom brought that I don't know if she knew that it was Hoppers related. It was just cute. So I, in terms of toys and franchisability, but I don't really know whether you're gonna get a Hoppers 2?

• 1:21:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the thing I was thinking about related to this is, um, we were at Disney in the spring, Disneyland, I should say, and we went on Radiator Springs for the first time, the Cars ride.

• 1:21:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:21:31Sean Fennessey?

  And, great ride. And, you know, there's a whole Cars land there. Like, they have developed out an entire area of the theme park that is dedicated to Cars, and Cars is one of the most successful franchises that they have. Will there ever be a Hoppers land? You know, will there ever be even a Coco land? Like, that's the thing that is related to all this is because synergizing-

• 1:21:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but they're not starting new universes, new IP.

• 1:21:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Amanda Dobbins?

  They don't have it yet.

• 1:21:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I don't know, maybe they will. We'll see. Maybe Gato will be the start of a massive Cat land, but probably not. Uh...

• 1:22:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, God.

• 1:22:04Sean Fennessey?

  Box office for this movie?

• 1:22:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Sean Fennessey?

  Looks like it's gonna do pretty darn good. It's $17.5 million in previews as we're recording on Friday morning.

• 1:22:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I was, I saw it yesterday and was with a bunch of families.

• 1:22:16Sean Fennessey?

  Big crowd?

• 1:22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it looks like it may make as much as $180 million this weekend, which is, makes it on track for being one of the biggest movies of the year.

• 1:22:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Well, Disney needs the money, as we know, so.

• 1:22:27Sean Fennessey?

  They're gonna be okay. I think they're gonna be just fine. Um, I feel like Oscars, it's in play.

• 1:22:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:22:36Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 1:22:37Amanda Dobbins?

  They like the, they like the Toy Story franchise. I mean, a lot, the performances are great, the animation itself is great. I'm open to it.

• 1:22:45Sean Fennessey?

  Best Picture?

• 1:22:46Amanda Dobbins?

  If you want. It's, I mean, you and I were doing our lists the other day, and it's a, it's an interesting year.

• 1:22:52Sean Fennessey?

  Funky year.

• 1:22:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. But we always, we always say that in June.

• 1:22:56Sean Fennessey?

  We do, we do.

• 1:22:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Because it's always lopsided, and there are always a couple things that we don't see coming, and there are also always a couple things that we've already seen that we don't expect to go as far as it did.

• 1:23:07Sean Fennessey?

  You're absolutely right.

• 1:23:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, is this your F1? You wanna do it right now?

• 1:23:11Sean Fennessey?

  Nope.

• 1:23:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:12Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think it is.

• 1:23:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:14Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know what, I don't know what this year's F1 is.

• 1:23:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, you didn't know what it was last year either, yeah.

• 1:23:19Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay, the Toy Story movie rankings. Tricky one here.

• 1:23:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Sean Fennessey?

  One of the complicated components of this is many people who love this franchise love Toy Story 2. Toy Story 2 has never been one of my number ones.

• 1:23:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:35Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 1:23:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Your number ones are 1 and 3.

• 1:23:39Sean Fennessey?

  1 and 3 I think are the best.

• 1:23:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. And then you were very moved by 5, but 5.

• 1:23:45Sean Fennessey?

  Can I give you my gut ranking right now?

• 1:23:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because that's what we'll go with. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna be a sidekick and a sounding board.

• 1:23:53Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, that's kind of you. But I want your input. I seek your input. I would go Toy Story, Toy Story 3.

• 1:24:01Amanda Dobbins?

  So you're going from 1 to 5 right now?

• 1:24:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, from 1 to 5. Toy Story from 1995, the original.

• 1:24:08Sean Fennessey?

  Toy Story 3 at number 2.

• 1:24:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:10Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a masterpiece.

• 1:24:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:13Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's Toy Story 2 here, followed by Toy Story 5, followed by Toy Story 4. Now, I was very high on Toy Story 4 when I saw it. I think it is among the more controversial.

• 1:24:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:24:24Sean Fennessey?

  It's not, it's not one that people love. I don't know what the vibe is gonna be on Toy Story 5. I know, like, I cherish what Griffin Newman thinks of the Toy Story franchise. This is his favorite franchise. And I know he liked this movie.

• 1:24:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:36Sean Fennessey?

  Which makes me think that the diehards will get and be on board with 5.

• 1:24:42Sean Fennessey?

  And even just seeing Duke Kaboom for like 1 minute, which is the Keanu Reeves motorcycle character in this movie, I was like, oh yeah, 4's cool. Maybe not as memorable as I thought it was going to be. Obviously Forky is an icon. We didn't really get enough Forky and knife-y in this movie, in my opinion, in the new one.

• 1:24:59Amanda Dobbins?

  They had a couple of good one-liners.

• 1:25:00Sean Fennessey?

  They did. I thought they might be a bigger part of this.

• 1:25:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, this is, this is the thing that pretty much everyone but Jesse and Lily Pat are sidelined.

• 1:25:08Sean Fennessey?

  You're right.

• 1:25:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Even Buzz and Woody, really Woody, who's just kinda out on the road saving people.

• 1:25:16Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of ball jokes at his, at his expense.

• 1:25:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, those are funny. Somebody needs a brown marker. And, you know, listen. It's hard for all of us.

• 1:25:24Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it had me thinking about how many people who had voiced characters from the 95 film had passed away. You know, Don Rickles, Jim Varney, Doris Roberts, like, is John Ratzenberger still with us? I don't, you know, Wallace Shawn is still alive mercifully to voice Rex, but, you know, a lot, this, that's 31 years ago when this movie came out, which is so crazy. But my instinct is to say Toy Story, Toy Story 3, Toy Story 2, Toy Story 5, Toy Story 4.

• 1:25:51Amanda Dobbins?

  If it was your personal ranking, would you flip 5 and 2?

• 1:25:56Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta re-watch 2.

• 1:25:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:25:58Sean Fennessey?

  The last time we did this, I was really, I was yelled at by the masses.

• 1:26:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:26:02Sean Fennessey?

  About my misunderstanding of 2. And I'm, I'm, I'm open to that.

• 1:26:06Amanda Dobbins?

  And now you didn't, but you didn't revisit it as a result of that?

• 1:26:09Sean Fennessey?

  And you know, a huge part of this, this is all very personal. I was still young enough to watch Toy Story when it came out, even though I was 12, and really get invested in it and love it. And being like blown away by the animation style, which was so different and new. In 99, I was watching The Matrix.

• 1:26:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:26:23Sean Fennessey?

  I was just in a different place in my life.

• 1:26:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:26:24Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I was just, I was very interested in a certain kind of movie. And it wasn't Toy Story 2. So I don't, I'm sure I saw it that year, but it didn't quite make the emotional connection.

• 1:26:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:26:33Sean Fennessey?

  Whereas if you were seven.

• 1:26:33Amanda Dobbins?

  You were more the mean girl on the lily pad than a Bonnie at that point?

• 1:26:37Sean Fennessey?

  No, I wasn't trying to take anything away.

• 1:26:38Amanda Dobbins?

  You still play with toys?

• 1:26:39Sean Fennessey?

  No, I would, I'm not that kind of person. I want people to be happy. Unless it's you. I forgot, we, there's one other thing we didn't mention.

• 1:26:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:48Sean Fennessey?

  Taylor Swift.

• 1:26:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. I left the theater.

• 1:26:52Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't stay for the song?

• 1:26:53Amanda Dobbins?

  No. Well, it's, I had to go. I had, we had the potluck.

• 1:26:57Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:26:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, I have a life.

• 1:26:58Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:26:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm a parent to kids and also it's tacked on, you know?

• 1:27:02Sean Fennessey?

  The song is tacked on. Can I be honest?

• 1:27:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:04Sean Fennessey?

  Thought it was good.

• 1:27:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Great. You're really soft.

• 1:27:09Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's, it's not about my moral opposition to Taylor Swift. It's about art.

• 1:27:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that what it is?

• 1:27:15Sean Fennessey?

  And if the art is good, and it's obviously, I think it's a collaboration with Randy Newman, who is of course, an icon to me.

• 1:27:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:20Sean Fennessey?

  And we're in a month, we're in a month.

• 1:27:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:25Sean Fennessey?

  In which both John Williams and Randy Newman have new musical scores. This is still happening.

• 1:27:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:31Sean Fennessey?

  These men. Now, if it were politics, I would say, get out of office. But if they're in the room conducting.

• 1:27:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:27:37Sean Fennessey?

  Musicians, I say, stay forever.

• 1:27:39Amanda Dobbins?

  It's the year of Sean, and you accept.

• 1:27:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's just wonderful to see. Yeah, Taylor Swift. Yeah, sure.

• 1:27:44Amanda Dobbins?

  The other day, there was a terrible playlist in our office that featured her song from Cats.

• 1:27:50Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:27:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you remember this?

• 1:27:52Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I do. Yeah.

• 1:27:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Not my favorite of her songs.

• 1:27:55Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's atrocious. The Toy Story 5 song is called, I Knew It, I Knew You.

• 1:28:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:28:01Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe I'll listen to it on the way home. Maybe I'll zag on Taylor. Maybe it's a Taylor era for me now.

• 1:28:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:06Sean Fennessey?

  The day she gets married.

• 1:28:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you're gonna be at MSG.

• 1:28:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, maybe I'll be the officiant. Should I marry Taylor?

• 1:28:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think that's, that's in line with.

• 1:28:15Sean Fennessey?

  Does that person get paid for that job?

• 1:28:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know how it works when you're a Taylor. So I don't believe that they're actually getting married at Madison Square Garden. That's my personal take.

• 1:28:23Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Where do you think they're getting married?

• 1:28:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I think, I don't know. I, but I do.

• 1:28:27Sean Fennessey?

  Lincoln Financial Field?

• 1:28:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Probably. Yeah, I think.

• 1:28:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Because she's been so good to the Philly community.

• 1:28:33Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. Well, I mean, home of Jason Kelsey.

• 1:28:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And.

• 1:28:36Sean Fennessey?

  He'll be the best man, presumably.

• 1:28:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so. But I, I, maybe they'll use MSG as a staging venue. That's something that Juliette Littman heard. Or it's like a.

• 1:28:43Sean Fennessey?

  As a staging venue?

• 1:28:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Or like a gathering point?

• 1:28:47Sean Fennessey?

  And then everyone will.

• 1:28:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And like everyone's asked.

• 1:28:49Sean Fennessey?

  Walk to the Canyon of Heroes?

• 1:28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I think everyone's.

• 1:28:50Sean Fennessey?

  In the aftermath of the New York Knicks?

• 1:28:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, everyone's asked. I think maybe everyone's asked to get their, make their way to Madison Square Garden because there's a lot of entrances, exits. There's a lot of privacy and then they'll be taken to the location from Madison Square Garden.

• 1:29:03Sean Fennessey?

  Via hovercraft? What are you talking about?

• 1:29:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I, listen, this is not what I do. First of all, I'm not a party planner, not a wedding planner. I am a party planner and I throw great parties that would never happen at Madison Square Garden because I believe in windows. Number two.

• 1:29:17Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:29:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I.

• 1:29:18Sean Fennessey?

  That's the Mecca, I'll have you know. And it is the home of the champion New York Knicks.

• 1:29:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's a wonderful place to win a championship.

• 1:29:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think.

• 1:29:26Sean Fennessey?

  We didn't win there. We won in San Antonio. Suck it.

• 1:29:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's, that's tough. Um, I don't think that I would not choose to get married in a place without windows. It's just, that's just me.

• 1:29:38Sean Fennessey?

  Ironic because there was not a single window at the venue where you got married.

• 1:29:42Amanda Dobbins?

  It was outside.

• 1:29:43Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. Not a single window to be seen. Uh, yeah, Taylor Swift. Yeah, maybe it's time.

• 1:29:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:29:50Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe it's time.

• 1:29:51Amanda Dobbins?

  This is a really exciting year for you.

• 1:29:53Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just, I feel great.

• 1:29:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:54Sean Fennessey?

  Everything is going great. Toy Story 5, crying like a baby. I saw it 12 hours after the Knicks won. That was the other thing to consider.

• 1:30:02Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:30:03Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it was Sunday morning.

• 1:30:06Sean Fennessey?

  I was in the best state I've ever been in in my life. So maybe you should consider that when you go see the film, listeners of this show. My bad if it's not good. I don't really know. I could have watched the worst slop of all time and been like, interesting ideas here. I really liked the thematic elements that they were after in this film. Uh, okay. I think we're done.

• 1:30:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:23Sean Fennessey?

  You feel done?

• 1:30:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:30:25Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Uh, USA, will they win today?

• 1:30:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. Our friend Connor was like, do you guys want to come watch it in an Australian bar? And I was like, I don't really think that that's

• 1:30:33Sean Fennessey?

  Risky.

• 1:30:34Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the energy I can bring my two sons into.

• 1:30:37Sean Fennessey?

  Risky. Although they kind of have Aussie Mad Men quality.

• 1:30:41Amanda Dobbins?

  But I just, you know, they're ready to fight at the drop of a hat. So we can't put them in a, in a situation like that.

• 1:30:48Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. Um, okay. Well, this was emotionally valuable. Thanks for making this time. Thanks to our producer, Jack Sanders, for his work on this episode. Thanks to Lucas Cavanagh for his production support. Next week, we're drafting again. It's been a minute since we've had a draft. We recorded the 1976 draft roughly three years ago. So, um, we're doing our first

• 1:31:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That was a long time ago.

• 1:31:07Sean Fennessey?

  We're doing our first ever redraft. We're redrafting from the year 2010, which was the very first movie draft that we ever did on this show. But this time we're doing it with the whole gang, the big team. It's every June, I know you don't know this, but I know this. Every June, we do a mega movie draft.

• 1:31:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I do know that.

• 1:31:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, you do know it.

• 1:31:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:28Sean Fennessey?

  And so

• 1:31:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Last year, I absolutely crushed with the perfect, was it 2000, right? And I had Bring It On, Virgin Suicides, Coyote Ugly, Center Stage, one more. I mean, it was legendary.

• 1:31:42Sean Fennessey?

  There are literally threes of women at home shaking their heads and saying, yes, Amanda, you did.

• 1:31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I heard, I heard from more than three people. So.

• 1:31:50Sean Fennessey?

  So Rob Mahoney.

• 1:31:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:52Sean Fennessey?

  Joanna Robinson, Mallory Rubin, Van Lathan, CR, me and you.

• 1:31:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:59Sean Fennessey?

  2010.

• 1:31:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Is there gonna be a table? Well, I meant to ask you this and we'll just do it live. So is it table? I just need to know what pants and shoes to wear.

• 1:32:05Speaker 03

  There's gonna be table. I believe you will be sitting directly in the middle of said table.

• 1:32:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, good. Like Jesus himself at the Last Supper.

• 1:32:12Sean Fennessey?

  I'll be off screen the whole time. Uh, thanks for listening. Enjoy Toy Story 5. We'll see you next week.