Keeping Football Outside, Travis' Hoop Dreams & Jayson Tatum Goes From Duke to NBA Champion | EP 131

92%ers we are back with another episode of New Heights presented by Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups! We’ve partnered exclusively with Reese’s Cups to bring you this episode with limited interruptions. On today’s episode, Jason and Travis discuss everything from which NFL staffers would make great guests on the show, Brandon Graham’s retirement, their thoughts on the new Browns stadium, why Jason might end up in a speedo, and we revisit a Hobby Horse clip you all sent us over the weekend. We also have an incredible conversation with NBA Champion Jayson Tatum! Jayson and the guys break down everything from the new Celtics ownership, Jayson’s thoughts on Duke’s title chances, why he’s so impressed with Cooper Flagg, what it was like playing for Coach K, how close he was to becoming a Laker, the NFL players in the NBA debate, if he could hoop in flip flops and so much more! Make sure to check out our New Heights YouTube Membership! As a member, you'll get access to full episodes, bonus videos, badges, and other stuff that will make you stand out. Check it out today on the New Heights YouTube channel. Subscribe now! You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow Check out all of our new merch’ at https://homage.com/newheights Support the Show: REESE’S: Buy Reese's Peanut Butter Cups now at a store near you. Found wherever candy is sold. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Do you think NFL player could play in the NBA?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  No. It does not work like that.

• 0:06Speaker 00

  Are there any NFL guys that could train for a year and go play in the NBA?

• 0:10Speaker 01

  So listen, I have so many.

• 0:15Travis Kelce?

  Don't crush my dreams. I'm 35 and I still got hoop dreams, man.

• 0:23Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen. The Wondery Show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. We partnered exclusively with Reese's Cups to bring you this episode with limited interruptions. That's right. This is all Reese's or Reese's, however you want to say it.

• 0:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, baby.

• 0:43Travis Kelce?

  Jason, I finally got my backpack because I'm back in Kansas City.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  Nice. Is it cool? It's like it's got a bite out of it.

• 0:50Travis Kelce?

  I could use a little Sugar Rush here.

• 0:53Speaker 00

  Get you some, brother.

• 0:54Travis Kelce?

  What I want to do, what I want to do. Ooh, I think you can get some Reese's sticks. I ain't had no Reese's sticks in a minute.

• 0:59Speaker 00

  I forgot about.

• 1:00Travis Kelce?

  Get a nice little crunch going.

• 1:02Speaker 00

  God, those are good.

• 1:03Travis Kelce?

  They are good. Listen to this crunch. It's almost.

• 1:08Speaker 00

  I forgot about the Reese's sticks. Gosh, I'm so.

• 1:11Travis Kelce?

  With a banger right there. A damn good. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Cousins. My big brother Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio.

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:19Travis Kelce?

  Cincinnati Bearcats alum. Shout out to the Cats. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media. At New Heights Show with one S. I always forget it and have to read it off to remind myself. New Heights Show with one S. Don't put two in there. Jason, let the people know what we got coming up.

• 1:37Speaker 00

  We got another incredible episode for you guys. We're gonna look at some of the latest NFL news as always. We're also got an update on our March Madness brackets. Not going so well. My strategy did not turn out good.

• 1:51Travis Kelce?

  And neither did mine.

• 1:52Speaker 00

  We have an incredible conversation with NBA champion Jason Tatum. That's right.

• 1:58Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 00

  Going to talk about his time at Duke, winning an NBA title, and he's going to answer some no dumb questions from all you guys.

• 2:05Travis Kelce?

  I thought you were going to bring up his narrow hips and you never did it. Not one time.

• 2:09Speaker 00

  I didn't. I was too much of a chicken shit.

• 2:11Travis Kelce?

  You always bring up someone's narrow hips and you just didn't do it.

• 2:15Speaker 00

  I know. We got sidetracked because the conversation was so great.

• 2:19Travis Kelce?

  He's awesome.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  I gotta remember to think about that stuff beforehand. Anyways, um, before we get to that, it's time for a little bit of that. News. That's right. NFL news first. Results of the cap expert poll. Travis, you said, uh, you weren't in on the cap expert poll. I said that maybe the fans would appreciate it. You said, let's put it to a vote and we did. That's right. New heights has voted.

• 2:47Travis Kelce?

  Man.

• 2:48Speaker 00

  Eighty one point five percent want the cap expert poll.

• 2:53Travis Kelce?

  Nice. All right. Well, get ready. Get ready to hear some numbers and hear some nerds. Here we go, boys.

• 3:02Speaker 00

  Who doesn't love nerds?

• 3:03Travis Kelce?

  I mean, I'm, I'm in on nerds. I just didn't know everybody else was.

• 3:07Speaker 00

  That's goes to show you, if you're in on it, usually most people, most of the people are in on it.

• 3:12Travis Kelce?

  Maybe not so much, but all right.

• 3:13Speaker 00

  Who should we have on? We have, uh, we have obviously the two big ones for both of us are Howie and Veach, the two general managers for our respective teams.

• 3:21Travis Kelce?

  I think that'd be fun. A Howie and Veach episode. We've already had Howie on though.

• 3:26Speaker 00

  We have had Howie out. Well, yes, you didn't talk to him, but we did have him on at a, uh, the combine one year. We could go outside of the organization to go to somebody who is just a, maybe used to work in the NFL or works in the media. Nick Wright threw his hat in the ring on Twitter.

• 3:44Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 3:45Speaker 00

  Known Kansas City chief Homer.

• 3:49Travis Kelce?

  Fucking love Nick, right?

• 3:51Speaker 00

  There's also a four, there, there is a guy that used to work with the Eagles that no longer works there. I feel very confident would be a very interesting interview. Nobody knows his name, but.

• 4:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. All right. Let's, uh, let's do it. See how many of you guys can follow along with the.

• 4:07Speaker 00

  Undergoing of the cap. It's inner workings, what these numbers mean. Contracts that are made to make it look like a guy's making something, but usually.

• 4:19Travis Kelce?

  Hate to see that.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Oh, they just wanted a press release. Got it. Okay.

• 4:23Travis Kelce?

  Yep. There we go.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  We've got a long off season. Might be fun to do like an NFL dirty jobs, like NFL staffers interviews. What other?

• 4:33Speaker 00

  People that work in the NFL would be interesting to talk to.

• 4:35Travis Kelce?

  I mean, I wouldn't say dirty jobs. We got some fucking, we got some top tier talent in terms of personalities in the Kansas City Chiefs. Organization. Um, yeah, my guy Alan Wright, who's been around for it's feels like a hundred years. I'm pretty sure he was. He's been the equipment manager since like the sixties, I think. I think he was.

• 4:56Speaker 00

  Talk to him about how equipment has changed.

• 4:59Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I would love to hear how, especially dealing with like sponsors, like he's been through it through like. Reebok and Nike and all these different like. Equipment and all the, how he's seen the helmets. Progress.

• 5:16Speaker 00

  That's what I'm saying, dude. If we could, we if somehow we could get like. Equipment from when he first got into the NFL. And like you could do with each piece, you could do with helmets when he first got into where they're at now. Shoulder pads to now, I mean, even knee pads. Well, knee pad is probably the one thing that hasn't changed much. Thigh pads though changed a lot. People used to wear hip pads and butt pads. Bring those back up.

• 5:39Travis Kelce?

  Hardest, that was the hardest thing to get ready. When you were a little kid.

• 5:44Speaker 00

  So much.

• 5:46Travis Kelce?

  Keeping those hip pads and tail pads in, man.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:49Travis Kelce?

  Man, they used to be the fucking worst. You had to fucking take the. Rinky dink belt that you had anyways.

• 5:55Speaker 00

  Didn't do a single freaking thing.

• 5:58Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Got my guy Pistol Pete. Making sure, making sure the place is spick and span and everybody's, everybody's happy with the vibes.

• 6:06Speaker 00

  Pistol Pete, what? Oh, he's a custodian? Janitor?

• 6:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 6:09Speaker 00

  What's the, what's the correct word?

• 6:10Travis Kelce?

  Jack of all trades, jack of all trades. He's doing everything he needs.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  Keeping everything running smoothly.

• 6:15Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 6:16Speaker 00

  Love it, love it.

• 6:17Travis Kelce?

  I think maybe even a trainer episode.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  I'm all in on the trainer episode. I think the trainers.

• 6:23Travis Kelce?

  Trainers over there and.

• 6:24Speaker 00

  We got, we got my man Joe Appel has been winning quite the awards.

• 6:27Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:29Speaker 00

  Shout out to Joe.

• 6:30Travis Kelce?

  Glove Julie. Let's start off with the, with the 92 percenters want, and it looks like they want to talk. Numbers.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  I'm sure we'll be able to find a way to make it interesting, Trav.

• 6:41Travis Kelce?

  We always do. Neck rolls. That's funny as hell. Yeah. Bring back the neck rolls. There's still guys, still guys out here that are rocking them for sure.

• 6:48Speaker 00

  I used to wear a neck roll. Looks way different, way less conspicuous, way more inconspicuous now.

• 6:55Travis Kelce?

  The pads used to be fucking the size of.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  I mean, it used to be comical.

• 6:58Travis Kelce?

  SUVs.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:03Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's keep it moving. Brandon Graham retires on top of the world.

• 7:09Speaker 00

  There we go BG.

• 7:10Travis Kelce?

  Congrats on a hell of a fucking career, big guy.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  Obviously retired on Tuesday and you know, the press conference, very emotional. Listen, I've been talking to BG for a long time and obviously he made it known before the season, it was going to be his final year. He was playing so good before his tricep injury. I was, I was like, man, is he going to do it again? And he still could, like he could definitely still play. He rushed it. He wanted to play in the Super Bowl really bad. Ended up re-tearing his tricep in the Super Bowl. And it just tells you the type of competitor and person he is and just what a pit bull he was for the Philadelphia Eagles for 15 years.

• 7:45Travis Kelce?

  You ain't lying.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Even though he announced before the season, he was going to retire, it's hard to make that announcement official. And I think that that's why you see such an emotional moment out of the guy. And as someone who's been there before, like, you know, you put so much into this game. The finality of it happening, no matter how much you thought about it or talked about it is, is intense. And I don't know that there's anybody in my tenure with the Philadelphia Eagles that put more into the game as a player, as a teammate. He loved football. He loved his teammates.

• 8:18Travis Kelce?

  You don't play it that long unless you love it, man.

• 8:20Speaker 00

  It's, it's going to be very, I mean, now Fletch, me, BG, Lane's the only one left. He had this tweet up there. Over the weekend.

• 8:31Travis Kelce?

  It's a classic.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, classic Lane. But you know, I think it's just, I don't know that anybody represented what it is to be a Philadelphia Eagle more than Brandon, like the, the genuine love to be on the field for your teammates, the energy he brought on a daily basis.

• 8:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 00

  I was fortunate to see him Monday that week and I saw him later that week after the announcement and just.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Very happy for him, very happy for his family and looking forward to what's next. So shout out to you BG, love you, man.

• 9:04Travis Kelce?

  I'm sure he'll stick around Philly, just like you did, man.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  I think that's the plan. I think there's obviously some opportunities in media. Wouldn't be surprised if, you know, like Selig and some of the other guys you stick in myself, he sticks around the team and tries to help out where he can. You know, it's just a guy that loves the game and the organization so much. So really happy for him.

• 9:28Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to BG.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  They got the billboards out.

• 9:31Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. You know, Philly's always gonna make sure that they get those billboards out.

• 9:36Speaker 00

  The most iconic Brandon Graham. Make sure I snag the picture of that.

• 9:41Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  That's not working.

• 9:44Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 9:47Travis Kelce?

  Philly does it right. They always support the most loyal to the, to the city and BG was one of them, baby, as he, as he always will be, as he always will be. He ain't going nowhere anytime fast. We know that. Yeah. The Browns tweeted out a look at a proposed new indoor stadium.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 10:05Travis Kelce?

  How about that, man? The Browns, everyone's going indoor because of the, what is this thing?

• 10:12Speaker 00

  Oh, it's something really stupid out in Brook Park that they're trying to get everybody excited about the stadium no longer being in downtown Cleveland.

• 10:20Travis Kelce?

  I just, I don't know why, what it is about me.

• 10:27Travis Kelce?

  I don't know what it is about us.

• 10:30Travis Kelce?

  We just, we.

• 10:32Speaker 00

  I know, listen, I know, I know Kansas City's stadium and everything is not in the city.

• 10:36Travis Kelce?

  Sports, like towns, it just, it feels better when it's downtown.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  It's way better. They just don't want to pay for it, Travis, or they don't want to cooperate with the city. That's the only reason this is not in downtown Cleveland and they can make it out about like space. There's plenty of space and buildings that they can overtake and like, I'm not trying to hear none of this. So, yeah, looks beautiful. Great rendering. It's gonna be fun driving out there.

• 10:59Travis Kelce?

  It does look real nice.

• 11:02Travis Kelce?

  What about driving downtown?

• 11:04Speaker 00

  Good for Brook Park. You're driving downtown. It's part of, whether you like it or not, downtown is an economic driver, even though the city of Cleveland is not quite the economic driver. You would like it to be. Listen, I like when stadiums and everything are downtown in the hearts of the cities. I think it's one of the beautiful things that Philly has and hopefully it remains that way. Yeah, I'm not a fan. I don't know what you want me to say. I don't like it.

• 11:27Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I'll tell you what, though.

• 11:28Speaker 00

  It doesn't matter how cool it is. I'm not gonna like it.

• 11:30Travis Kelce?

  This thing looks sweet.

• 11:32Speaker 00

  I like the old stadium because it's downtown. I'd rather play in a dilapidated stadium than this.

• 11:41Travis Kelce?

  This looks epic.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  Looks great.

• 11:45Travis Kelce?

  It looks like some shit out of like Star Wars.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  It does look pretty cool.

• 11:48Travis Kelce?

  Spaceship. That thing looks awesome. Just do it downtown, Cleveland. We love, uh, we love it being around, uh...

• 11:53Speaker 00

  It's already, I think it's already official. It's not gonna be downtown.

• 11:56Travis Kelce?

  Uh, it's unfortunate. It's a proposed $2.4 billion stadium in Brook Park. Do you, uh, do you at least agree that an indoor stadium is, is kinda going against, you know, the nature of living up there on the lake? Like, that's like...

• 12:11Speaker 00

  I don't like anything about this. I don't like that it's not downtown. I don't like that it's indoor. Like, I don't like anything about this. And I'm sorry if I'm in, maybe I'm so detached from Cleveland that I'm not in the majority here. I don't know what the majority of Clevelanders want, which is really what is most important.

• 12:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 12:27Speaker 00

  All I know is I like when the elements play a role in the game. I like when snow's involved. We had an awesome playoff game here at the link this year in the snow against the Rams. That wouldn't have happened with an indoor stadium. I don't like indoor stadiums. I don't care. I'll put a jacket on and go watch football.

• 12:44Travis Kelce?

  Do you think that outdoor stadiums should get more looks for Super Bowls?

• 12:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do. I, I think.

• 12:54Travis Kelce?

  Like, do you think, do you think a Lambeau should get a Super Bowl or like how they did it in New York?

• 12:59Speaker 00

  It'll never happen because it's not a big enough city to, uh, to handle the business and everything else that happens that week.

• 13:07Travis Kelce?

  They did it in Minnesota.

• 13:09Speaker 00

  Minnesota is a much bigger city than Green Bay, Wisconsin, Travis.

• 13:13Travis Kelce?

  Very true. I'll give you.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  We had a Super Bowl in Minneapolis. Did it suck that it was in the cold all week? Yeah, but it's cool going to every city that's around. Now that was an indoor.

• 13:24Travis Kelce?

  It was an experience, man. I like the, it was a fun experience. You're walking through the tunnels or the catwalks that connect all the buildings. It was fun.

• 13:33Speaker 00

  Listen, I'm on record. I like when the elements play a role. I like when the elements play a role in football. I like that. That's one of the unique things about the game. I've heard a lot of arguments that like it levels the playing field for worse teams. I don't care. I like that. It's a different element that you have to deal with.

• 13:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, everybody.

• 13:51Speaker 00

  I don't, you're, guess what? If the other team is worse than you, but they're better that day, that's what football is. I don't know what you want. The best team that is going to win a series doesn't always happen. That's one of the great things about football. Whoever's better on that day and the elements matter. I don't like indoor stadiums unless you play in the South because the heat fucking sucks. I like snow.

• 14:16Travis Kelce?

  I fucking hate the heat, man.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  The heat is miserable.

• 14:18Travis Kelce?

  It's the worst.

• 14:20Speaker 00

  I don't like the indoor stadiums and I don't like that it's going to be in Brook Park. There's zero percent that I like about what's happening in Cleveland right now.

• 14:28Travis Kelce?

  Just make it a retractable roof and keep the elements. And then when you want to fucking do a stadium for a, a live show in December, close the roof.

• 14:37Speaker 00

  I would be okay with that. If it's retractable, but it's open during games, no matter what.

• 14:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 00

  And then you can still, because that's a big reason why they make these in like, a big reason they do these, especially in colder climates, that you can do year round events in there.

• 14:51Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 14:51Speaker 00

  So the owners in the NFL make more money off the year round events.

• 14:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  Which I get, listen, it's a business. We gotta make money.

• 14:57Travis Kelce?

  All indoors regardless should have the situation that Vegas and Arizona have of the field going in and out. It, it just, it has to be grass. This turf stuff has to fucking kick rocks, man.

• 15:11Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm with you on that.

• 15:13Travis Kelce?

  All right. Well, at least we agreed on something.

• 15:14Speaker 00

  So you're a fan of this stuff? Do you like the stadium?

• 15:17Travis Kelce?

  No, I mean, I think the stadium looks fucking beautiful. I think it is, I think it's very cool. We were kids when they got a new stadium. I don't think that the stadium that they have is outdated. I mean, it's, I guess it's 20 years old.

• 15:33Speaker 00

  It is older than 20 years. It's almost, it's almost 30. Yeah, it was built in 90.

• 15:41Travis Kelce?

  97 to 99.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  97, 98, and then the team came back in 99.

• 15:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  So it's close to 30 years old. I mean, it's not like, I mean, I don't know what the average age of an NFL stadium is, but it ain't new. That's for sure. Not anymore. I don't know why. I like it when they're downtown. I don't like when the teams.

• 15:59Travis Kelce?

  I'm with you, man. I'm with you.

• 16:00Speaker 00

  Like, I think it's something that's so cool.

• 16:02Travis Kelce?

  It's just something about taking the Rapids all the way downtown, and I'm sure they'll have some sort of way that you could take the Rapids out to Brook Park from everywhere in Cleveland. But it's just, it's just such a unique feeling going downtown, feeling the excitement of everyone going down to the, to the busiest part of city. Um, and that atmosphere that it creates in Cleveland for sure.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, the entire metropolitan area is Cleveland, right? That's the way we associate it with, right? It's not Brook Park. So going out to play in Brook Park doesn't feel as cool to me. It doesn't feel like it's as much Cleveland.

• 16:35Travis Kelce?

  I'm pretty sure municipal, I'm not sure where Municipal Stadium was.

• 16:38Speaker 00

  Was it Cleveland?

• 16:39Travis Kelce?

  But it, I don't think it was downtown.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  Yes, it was. Municipal Stadium?

• 16:43Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was downtown.

• 16:45Speaker 00

  Pretty sure.

• 16:46Travis Kelce?

  All right. Well, you're better than me. I thought it was, oh, the NBA team used to play out in Richfield. That's what I'm thinking. The Cavs used to play out. And then they moved that downtown. They created the Gateway Sports District in, in the, in the 90s. And that brought both teams downtown. And that's when the baseball team was thriving. NBA was at its peak. I don't know.

• 17:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Cleveland Municipal Stadium was on the lake.

• 17:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 17:11Speaker 00

  I think it was like right by where the.

• 17:13Travis Kelce?

  First energy or Huntington Bank is.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:16Travis Kelce?

  All right. Well, let's keep it moving.

• 17:18Speaker 00

  Shout out to Cleveland and the new stadium. Well done, guys. Um.

• 17:20Travis Kelce?

  Jason's DEXA scan. What are you over there talking about? What do you got going?

• 17:25Speaker 00

  Bo Allen reached out and.

• 17:27Travis Kelce?

  Honey Bobo.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  He said, hey, do you want to do a competition and who can lose the most body fat percentage, but still gain muscle? I don't know. Bo wants to have some competition. So we agreed to get DEXA scans. So I got a DEXA scan for the first time.

• 17:43Travis Kelce?

  Ah, very fat, I see.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  It is a lot of fat in there.

• 17:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it is.

• 17:47Speaker 00

  It's kind of embarrassing seeing your body broken down like this. I'm not gonna lie, it's a good calf to hamstring ratio, I think. Trav, what do you think my total mass is?

• 17:58Travis Kelce?

  I'm not sure what that's even, what you're even asking me.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  Wait, what do you think my weight is?

• 18:03Travis Kelce?

  Your weight? Your weight is 283.

• 18:09Speaker 00

  Close, close. I'm 276.6 according to the scan. My lean mass.

• 18:15Travis Kelce?

  You've lost 30 pounds. That's crazy.

• 18:17Speaker 00

  I've lost 20 pounds. I was never heavier than 300. Well, I did maybe a couple of times. I tipped 300 in the NFL.

• 18:23Travis Kelce?

  It's all the same. Go ahead.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  Lean mass, 207 pounds of muscle. I feel like it's pretty good.

• 18:29Travis Kelce?

  Strong man. It's a strong man right there.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  58.7 pounds of fat.

• 18:38Travis Kelce?

  Ah.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  It's a lot of fat.

• 18:40Travis Kelce?

  We gotta get that down. We gotta get that down.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  According to this metric, it is exactly 21, 21% body fat. That's all I know.

• 18:49Travis Kelce?

  21% of your body is fat.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  21.2.

• 18:57Travis Kelce?

  All right. Yeah. I mean, 270 is your fucking hefty load, dude.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  Big man.

• 19:02Travis Kelce?

  So I get it. I get it, but that is a lot of, that's a lot of muscle as well. All right. So what's the point, what's the point of this, this, uh, you and Bo, you and Bo just wanted to have a.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  Dude, this is what you do. This is why you're still playing. This is why you're still playing football because when you retire, you have to do stupid competitions like this to keep your sanity. So Bo and I are going to try and lose as much body fat percentage as possible in three months. We have the Ocean Drive event that we do for the Eagles Autism Foundation every year.

• 19:27Travis Kelce?

  So what was, do we know Bo, what was Bo's DEXA scan? Where is he at?

• 19:30Speaker 00

  Bo's at 18 point something. So I'm actually slight advantage.

• 19:34Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 19:35Speaker 00

  Slight advantage for the competition.

• 19:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. He's more to cut.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  18% body fat and I think 280 something. So Bo's, Honey Bobo's doing all right.

• 19:44Travis Kelce?

  18 at fucking two. So he weighs more than you, but has less body fat.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  Well, have you ever seen Bo's ass? Bo's got a big old dunk on him.

• 19:53Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say, I think he, that's the disadvantage right there.

• 19:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. Bo, I think his lean mass is like 220. So he's got like roughly 15 pounds of muscle more than me too. Okay. So this is how the competition works. For every percentage lost, we get two points. Okay. So every percentage of body fat you lose, two points. For every lean mass pound gained, you get a point. So if you get muscle on, you get a point. And if you lose body fat percentage, you get two points. I don't know why we determine, determine this point system.

• 20:24Travis Kelce?

  You heard this competition before?

• 20:26Speaker 00

  Listen, Bo was really specific in the way he wanted this judged. Uh, and then he said, the loser has to wear a Speedo at the Ocean Drive event.

• 20:34Travis Kelce?

  Is this just a competition?

• 20:36Speaker 00

  That's what it feels like. It feels like Bo just wants to wear a Speedo. That's what it feels like. He just wants to wear a Speedo at the Ocean Drive.

• 20:44Travis Kelce?

  He has less fat to give up.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  He wants to be like, oh, I have to wear a Speedo. Twist my arm.

• 20:56Travis Kelce?

  Oh no, Jason won.

• 21:00Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 21:02Speaker 00

  I feel like we can't let that be the factor that happens if you lose.

• 21:08Travis Kelce?

  I think it is. I think it's motivation for you.

• 21:11Speaker 00

  We should, we should. We should. Oh, yeah. I definitely don't want to wear a Speedo. I'm definitely packing that thing if I have to. I'm packing it with the socks and anything I can fit in there. If we do lose, I think we should leave it up to the fans on Twitter.

• 21:27Travis Kelce?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 21:28Speaker 00

  Throw out different recommendations about what we should have to do if we lose.

• 21:32Travis Kelce?

  And then we'll take it to a poll.

• 21:33Speaker 00

  And then we'll take it to a poll.

• 21:35Travis Kelce?

  All right.

• 21:36Speaker 00

  If Bo's.

• 21:36Travis Kelce?

  To the 92 percenters.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  If you're open to that, Bo. Well, I don't want to say 92 percenters because green light's involved too. We're gonna have to find a way to involve.

• 21:44Travis Kelce?

  Centers and green light. Yeah.

• 21:46Speaker 00

  We're gonna have to find a way to involve both fanbases in choosing this.

• 21:49Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 21:50Speaker 00

  But I think that this could be a lot of fun.

• 21:52Travis Kelce?

  A lot of fun. There you go.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  The guy did say, apparently you can, you can see how like dense your bones are with this thing. He said my head was one of the thickest heads he's ever, you know, DEXA scanned.

• 22:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 22:05Speaker 00

  I don't know if that's the years of hitting it or if that's just like genetic or both.

• 22:08Travis Kelce?

  I think it's all, I might have, I got a fucking dome, but I don't think I'm dense.

• 22:13Speaker 00

  Oh, I think it's dense.

• 22:14Travis Kelce?

  Not much up there.

• 22:16Speaker 00

  Well, that's because it's packed so tightly.

• 22:20Speaker 00

  It's hard to get stuff out.

• 22:22Travis Kelce?

  All right. Biggest new news. 92 percenters. We're officially launching our new Heitz YouTube membership.

• 22:28Speaker 00

  Heyo.

• 22:29Travis Kelce?

  That's right. As a member, you'll get access to full episodes, video perks such as footage that never makes it to the feed, which is terrifying for me and Jason to have to hear. And all the bonus videos, badges and other stuff that will make you stand out. That's right. This Thursday, we're dropping an exclusive convo with Aspen.com's athlete of the week. That's right. Jake Chadzige.

• 22:56Speaker 00

  Jake, you're the athlete of the week. What did you do?

• 22:59Travis Kelce?

  Jake, that's right. Yeah. He's on the front of Sports Illustrated here. Guts in glory. Yep. As he's, Jake forgot to tell us that he played for the Oakland A's back in the day. And was the guts of the, the Bay area there.

• 23:16Travis Kelce?

  Jake, I didn't know you were a heavyweight when you were a kid.

• 23:19Speaker 00

  I was about to say.

• 23:21Travis Kelce?

  What's your DEXA scan lately?

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Andrew Gardner in that.

• 23:26Travis Kelce?

  Chipmunks.

• 23:28Travis Kelce?

  Un, what is it? Chipmunks?

• 23:31Speaker 00

  Unpack?

• 23:32Travis Kelce?

  Unpack, there it is. Um, check it out today on New Heights YouTube channel. Subscribe now, 92 percenters.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  Unload, Chipmunks unload.

• 23:41Travis Kelce?

  There it is, the unload. Unload Chipmunks on YouTube. Before we get to the Jason Tatum interview, we got some fan mentions we want to give a big shout out to. Thank you to all the 92 percenters who tag us with all of this beautiful hobby horsing. That's right. Abby Rad Milovich, I believe is how you say it. Um, not sure how this ended up on my algorithm, but it seems.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Check this out, look at this. This chick is, I mean, this is impressive Travis. She is straight jumping over hurdles that are taller than her.

• 24:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Makes you ask how much, how much higher she could jump if she didn't have that fucking silly ass. She could fucking be, you ever just tried high jumping? You can go represent your country and.

• 24:30Speaker 00

  But I think this might be more challenging than high jumping. If we're being honest, I mean.

• 24:34Travis Kelce?

  I'm over this, Jason. What? This is more challenging.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  She's got to do like a whole gate, look at the frolic and then she's frolicking into a high jump. There's a lot more form and technique involved in this.

• 24:48Travis Kelce?

  I cannot agree to that, but I do think this is the most impressive hobby horsing thing I've seen.

• 24:54Speaker 00

  The bar is at her neck and she's jumping over it straight.

• 24:59Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  Did she invent that technique or is this something that's like common in hobby horsing?

• 25:03Travis Kelce?

  Gosh, we're gonna need Judge Jake's sister to jump in on this one.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  Yep, we do. Should I try hobby horsing?

• 25:10Travis Kelce?

  I mean, only if like when you hit the bar, it doesn't just fall off of the thing. If the bar is there for good, meaning if you hit it, you will fuck your shit up.

• 25:22Speaker 00

  You want me to get hurt?

• 25:23Travis Kelce?

  Yes, but if it's just, I'm not, no. I want to see, I want to see a life or death situation. I don't want to see just.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  I'm itching into athletic things. I wanna, I wanna get into it. You know what I want to do?

• 25:35Travis Kelce?

  Jumping, you just popped your.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  I want to play all this stuff. I think, yeah, I know.

• 25:40Travis Kelce?

  I got on the ice, I finally got on the ice, dude.

• 25:42Speaker 00

  Nice, how was it?

• 25:44Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I literally look like Happy Gilmore. Trying out for a hockey team like it is so bad. It is a full send for me, but it is I you could tell I am off balance. You could tell every slap shot I end up on the ice.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  But how'd you how'd it make you feel?

• 26:01Travis Kelce?

  Like a little kid. I loved every fucking bit of it.

• 26:04Speaker 00

  The best.

• 26:04Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it was fucking epic. It was so much fucking fun.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  I just want to go around different beer leagues and freaking like just play.

• 26:16Travis Kelce?

  I'm with you, dude.

• 26:18Speaker 00

  Doesn't that sound fun?

• 26:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Is there a beer league that you could just every every league, every league in Philadelphia? Just tell them, just have you like, just sponsor, sponsor the league and be like, I can join any team.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  I got a kid coming. I can't be doing every beer league, but I even want to do like stuff that's like obscure, like hobby horse and or like darts or I guess darts isn't, I shouldn't throw that in with.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  Have you ever seen Gaelic football? There's a league around our block. Um, a bunch of like Irish people. There's a like large contingency in Haver Town.

• 26:49Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 26:50Speaker 00

  And a lot of them will play Gaelic football where you like, it's this weird sport where you have to dribble. You have to touch the ball with your foot, but they carry it with their hands. So like every two steps, they're kicking the ball back up to their hands like they're dribbling and then there's a.

• 27:04Travis Kelce?

  Okay, I think I've seen this. Yeah.

• 27:05Speaker 00

  And then there's also a goalie and a goal. So it's like soccer combined with like rugby and I, I, it's very hard to explain.

• 27:13Travis Kelce?

  I'm here. I love back backyard games. Those things are the fucking fun.

• 27:16Speaker 00

  It's not a backyard game. There's like, this is like in Ireland, there's a full on like league. It's kind of cool. You have to play for the county that you live in for Gaelic football. Like wherever you're from, you can't play for like another county. I don't think, I think you have to play for the county that you grew up in.

• 27:31Travis Kelce?

  But it's ba- it's baseball. It's, you're just combining different games.

• 27:37Speaker 00

  It does sound, it does feel like that, but I think it's an older, I think it's been around for a minute. Maybe not. It's also hurling. I could try hurling. Guess I'm just naming Irish games.

• 27:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 00

  It'd be fun though. This all sounds great. I'll probably get hurt.

• 27:50Travis Kelce?

  Jesus. Now that you unfatten yourself, Jason. Nice. Well, shout out to the, uh, the fan mentioner of the week there. Um, I say we toss it to the old, uh, Jason Tatum interview.

• 28:01Speaker 00

  Hey.

• 28:02Travis Kelce?

  Get to, uh, what all the 92% have been waiting for.

• 28:05Speaker 00

  I'm with that.

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• 29:51Travis Kelce?

  All right, Jason, you want to do the honors?

• 29:53Speaker 00

  Let's do it.

• 29:55Travis Kelce?

  Are you, uh, you ready?

• 29:56Speaker 00

  Who are you talking to? Are you talking to me or are you talking to Jason?

• 29:58Travis Kelce?

  God, this is so, this is gonna be tough, man. Is it JT? I guess I gotta go JT. Can I go JT? Nice, nice. I heard you took that nickname over anyways from, uh, from Jeff Teague back in, yeah. I heard that one. All right. So JT it is that'll help me at least differentiate it. Go ahead, Jay Sean.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  All righty, our guest today is former Mr. Show me basketball from St. Louis, Missouri. He's a McDonald's All American, six time NBA All Star from the reigning NBA Boston Celtics, Jason Tatum, everyone.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Appreciate that.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  NBA champion JT. How we doing, brother?

• 30:40Speaker 01

  I'm doing good. Thanks for having me.

• 30:41Speaker 00

  Well, thanks for coming on.

• 30:43Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we saw the ankle injury up there in Sacramento, man. Hopefully everything's good and you'll be, you'll be back on the court ASAP, brother. But um, how's, how's everything feeling?

• 30:52Speaker 01

  I'm feeling good, man. It's a, it's a few benefits to being 27. You know, you recover a little bit.

• 30:58Travis Kelce?

  Let him know, let him live.

• 31:00Speaker 00

  Man, what it was like.

• 31:02Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, I can remember the day.

• 31:04Speaker 00

  I sprayed my calf jumping rope the other day. That's what I did. Yeah, that's awesome, man. What's uh, dude, the Celtics were just sold, right?

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, recently.

• 31:12Travis Kelce?

  Six point one billion dollars. What was your cut?

• 31:16Speaker 01

  I won't disclose that on this.

• 31:20Travis Kelce?

  Well played. Smart man right there. It's a smart man. I don't know nothing. That had to be like interesting news though for you as a player. Like I've, I've never had my like organization sold before. It's always been the same ownership since the sixties, essentially the same family. Is it like, do you expect to have like a different feel in the, in the building or?

• 31:41Speaker 01

  A different feel? I don't think so. I think uh, the weirdest part was when I found out that it was, the process was going to start was like a few days after we won a championship. So that was a, that was a weird conversation. Um, but you know, after I used to start to understand the process and you know, the candidates and things like that. And I actually got to meet Bill last night. He came to Sacramento, him and his wife, uh, you know, seemed like great people and uh, we've had a few conversations. So just looking to add to, to what we have. Um, you know, obviously we have a really good thing going and like where our co-chair is at.

• 32:19Travis Kelce?

  Heck yeah. Well, Wikipedia's got you nicknamed the anomaly. Has anybody that is close to you ever actually called you the anomaly?

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Man, Twitter is not a real place. I'll say.

• 32:33Travis Kelce?

  I concur.

• 32:35Speaker 00

  I would run with that one. I like it. The anomaly is a good one. I don't know who came up with that.

• 32:39Travis Kelce?

  It is a banger. You are the anomaly, dog. What's like one of the most random nicknames that you've gotten? Maybe not even on Twitter, just like growing up or like in the park or wherever.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  A lot of my close friends, they call me Taco.

• 32:54Travis Kelce?

  Taco?

• 32:54Speaker 00

  Taco.

• 32:55Travis Kelce?

  I wasn't expecting that one.

• 32:57Speaker 00

  Is this because you like tacos? What is, what is the, why taco?

• 33:00Travis Kelce?

  What's the connection there?

• 33:02Speaker 01

  This, that's my favorite, my mom, my favorite thing that my mom used to make when I was growing up. I used to eat tacos all the time.

• 33:09Travis Kelce?

  Shout out mom for making some, some banging tacos.

• 33:11Speaker 00

  We going corn tortilla, flour tortilla? What we going with?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  I'm a real simple guy. Hard shell, ground.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  Hard shell. Nice.

• 33:19Travis Kelce?

  About, man.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  I'm a hard shell guy too, man. And some sausage. I don't eat much.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  Okay. All right.

• 33:25Travis Kelce?

  After one year at Duke, you were drafted just at 19 years old. I don't know what the fuck I would be doing if I was a professional at 19, let alone a professional NBA player. What was, you gotta tell us, what was the silliest thing you bought with your first like NBA check? Did you do anything crazy? Did you like go out and grab something insane like a fucking human sized hamster ball or some shit?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  To me, I would always tell people the best part or the, the best part of, I guess, experience in, you know, having money for the first time at such a young age. I could go to the grocery store and just buy whatever I wanted.

• 34:06Travis Kelce?

  Everything.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  I could go to CVS and I could get 10 bottles of soap.

• 34:12Speaker 00

  You get a lot of tacos.

• 34:14Travis Kelce?

  You get a whole lot of tacos with that. That's good shit right there.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  That was like, it wasn't anything crazy expensive. It was just like, I would remember going to the grocery store with my mom and, you know, having a budget to get one of each.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  And we go to grocery store, we get what we want.

• 34:29Travis Kelce?

  The pantry's full. You know it, man.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  I remember when I was 19, Xbox was like the big thing and Halo and all them games are still popular, but you couldn't really play online like they had just started to do that. So you have to do, they used to call it the LAN connection. Do you have to ever have to do LAN connection? Where you would link them with an ethernet cable? This might even be before. This is how old we are, Travis. People don't even know about the LAN, the LAN connection anymore.

• 34:53Travis Kelce?

  Jason, you're insane. This is all people talk about is ethernet cable. Go ahead, Jason.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  All right, whatever. Either way, we would rig them through the dorms up and through the ceilings. So you could play with each other in different dorm rooms. Anyways, that would have been what I would have done. I would have rigged up the most dope setup of Xboxes I could have figured out.

• 35:11Travis Kelce?

  Jason turned 19 and found out he was eligible to go and get a loan out. So then he could then buy a TV to play video games on. That was bigger than the TV he already had. So that's what we were doing when we were 19. But stuff in the pantry definitely does it, man. That had to be, that had to be fucking crazy. Are you a fan of the, um, the one and done rule? Like the year at Duke, did you think it like made you that much better and prepared for the NBA? Or do you think you might've been able to be one of those guys that went, that just jumped straight to the NBA?

• 35:41Speaker 00

  Good question, Trav.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Man, people ask me that all the time. I, I would like to think I would have, you know, still figured it out. But I benefited so much from going to college in the sense of like, uh, like when I got to college, that was my first time playing with, you know, other really good players, right? I went to Duke, I was, we the number one recruiting class and we had Grayson Allen and Luke Kennard. Like we had like seven pros on our team. So it was the first time learning to like play off the ball, play with other really good players.

• 36:12Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Being in those environments, um, lift weights, condition, learn about nutrition. I would do it all over again. Like I would go back knowing what I know now. Um, I learned a lot and it prepared me for when I got to the NBA.

• 36:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, for sure, man. It's, uh, it's cool to hear though, that it kind of like, it gets your professionalism. It, it makes you understand how to be a pro, especially at a. Program like Duke, yeah, with Coach K and everybody. I'm sure you, you, you saw the, the, what is it? The, the prestige of it and you were like, you bought in immediately. Let's talk a little March Madness. Jason, you want to hit it?

• 36:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's talk college. While we're on college, uh, we'll stay where we're at. Right now, we're in the best time of college basketball that there is. March Madness in full effect.

• 37:00Travis Kelce?

  Ah, God.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  Did you fill out a bracket?

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it was pretty easy for me.

• 37:06Speaker 00

  You knew it was just a straight line for Duke all the way to the championship.

• 37:09Travis Kelce?

  You knew McNeese was gonna be Clemson.

• 37:15Travis Kelce?

  Knew it.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  I mean, the final of my bracket every year is the same. Uh, this is the best I've felt about my bracket in a very, very long time.

• 37:25Speaker 00

  I'm sure. Yeah, I don't know. What do you think so far? Who's in your final four outside of Duke? Obviously, we're pulling Duke. Who else did you think was gonna, is gonna get there?

• 37:31Travis Kelce?

  Go all number ones or what?

• 37:33Speaker 00

  Two of my final fours are out. I'm screwed. I'm out of this thing.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  I got, uh, Houston, Florida and Michigan State. I got Michigan State and Duke in the.

• 37:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh, Jason went Michigan State.

• 37:45Speaker 00

  JT, it's all about physicality, toughness, good coaching. That's what it's about, Travis.

• 37:50Travis Kelce?

  You just hyped this man up more than you could ever imagine. You just did. He, this is coming from a guy that literally just looks at what school would beat up the other school in a fight. And that's who he picks.

• 38:03Speaker 00

  That's what a basketball game is. Fight to get the ball through the hoop.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  I'm into that team. I like them in a fight for sure.

• 38:11Travis Kelce?

  Detroit, or I should have said the Mid, not Detroit.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:14Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I got Duke going all the way, man. Cooper Flagg's been an unbelievable player. Um, he's, he's got a lot of hype. I know you were playing, uh, against him a little bit in the, uh, the USA practices.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  The first time I saw him play, um, live was, this was two summers ago. I, I hosted my first JT Elite Camp. So I had like the best. Twenty, twenty-five players in the country, you know, that were sophomores and juniors or whatever. Um, so it's been cool to see like hanging around those guys there for a weekend and a lot of them are in a tournament now. Heck yeah. And you know, the first impression I had of Coop was just how hard he played, how he competed. You know, in high school is, it's rare to see a guy that wants to guard the other best player. Um, trying to block every shot, rebounding, and he just plays the right way. He has a great feel for the game. Um, he knows how to set a screen, knows when to cut. He, he likes to get his teammates involved.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  Uh, and you know, it's been on full display all season and a big reason why, you know, they have a chance to, to win a championship. Heck yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 00

  I love it. Uh, one of the things I love doing now that I'm older player is watching young guys. Sometimes it's the way they move. Sometimes it's their mentality, but you pick up on things and it's, it's just fun seeing a young player. That man, I really think there's something in that kid. And then all of a sudden, you know, this kid's the best player in the country. And I'm sure that has to be awesome for you, especially playing for Duke.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  It's a brotherhood. It has to be, man. Yeah. Everybody who ever played for the program, whether they 10 years older than me or 10 years younger, like whenever we see each other, it's, it's always love. I, I always go back and, and work out with the, with the team and play pickup with them and stuff like that. Because that's what happened when I was there. Jabari Parker came back, Jaleel Okafor, um, all these guys. So it's just, it's a part of the program is the pride that comes with it. And you just, you, you want to help push it forward. Um, and you know, I'm always rooting for them and you know, I, I hope they cut the nets down this year.

• 40:06Speaker 00

  Not only is it a brotherhood, but it's also a sisterhood. You just donated shoes to the Deuce women.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  It's a whole family over there, man. I sent, actually I, I sent both the programs some shoes, but Carol Lawson, she was an assistant coach with the Celtics my third year. Um, the year the pandemic happened, we went to the bubble.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  A week into the bubble, she got the, uh, or it might've been like two days. She got the head coaching job, um, at Duke. So we spent, I spent like six months with her. Um, unbelievable person, unbelievable coach, um, love to the depth. So anytime that I. You know, support them and, and, and help that program out. Uh, I try.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

• 40:44Travis Kelce?

  Nice, man.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  They gave a walk on some minutes in the first two games. I mean, that's pretty good. When you're giving walk on minutes.

• 40:50Travis Kelce?

  Walk ons are getting in.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Like Duke's playing pretty good basketball.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Belt to ass.

• 40:56Speaker 00

  Belt to ass. I hear it. I hear it. Hell yeah.

• 40:59Travis Kelce?

  That shit's gotta be electric. Every time I used to go to the UC basketball games and, and the walk ons we get in, man, the crowd knows that which guys are in and it just gets fucking nuts in there if they can get a shot off or get a, or at least make a bucket.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's probably the same like with, with the guys on the practice squad. Like you guys, they.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 41:17Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Spending all this time with you as a, you know, in the practice squad and, and, and film and workouts every single day with you. And then, you know, they finally get opportunity, even if it's at the end of the game, right? You, you just, you're really happy for them because you understand, you know, they, they with you every step of the way, but they might not always get the, the opportunity or the, the recognition. Uh, but they're just as much as part of the team as, you know, the rest of the guys.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 41:41Travis Kelce?

  Was it always Duke? Was Duke like the top team for you? Did, did you always like love them growing up? And did you always like see yourself going there? Who was, who was on JT's, uh, leaderboard growing up? Or who were, what jerseys you have on growing up?

• 41:58Speaker 01

  I had a Evan Turner, Ohio State jersey.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 42:02Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Okay. Okay. I mean, dude grew up in St. Louis, so it's, there's a little bit of big 10 country Midwest.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Little bit.

• 42:11Travis Kelce?

  Area and Ohio State was at the top of the, top of the charts for, uh, for quite a while around those years.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  For sure. And football as well. So like I played football for like seven, eight years when I was younger.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  What? What position?

• 42:23Travis Kelce?

  What were you playing? You playing wide out? Where were you playing?

• 42:25Speaker 00

  Timeout. We're not, we're not getting off of this yet.

• 42:27Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we're not going off of it.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  I played quarterback for the first six years and then wide receiver my last two. So my last year I played was eighth grade. So I was going to play in high school, but then, you know, my parents was like, we're going.

• 42:43Speaker 00

  You might be drafted in only four more years, which probably. Stick to this, yeah.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  But we went to Florida twice. I won a JFL national championship in Florida. Lost one year. I never forget. We played this team called the Delaware Rocks. They was like green and white.

• 43:01Travis Kelce?

  What made them unforgettable?

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Belt to ass. They

• 43:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Fifty to zero.

• 43:07Travis Kelce?

  Looked like they had grown men on the field?

• 43:10Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 43:12Travis Kelce?

  Dallas Carter and what is it, Friday Night Lights?

• 43:15Speaker 01

  All those guys.

• 43:16Travis Kelce?

  That's too funny, man. We all played against a team like that, especially in middle school, man. We used to play a team down the hill called Kurt.

• 43:23Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 43:24Travis Kelce?

  And they were right there in East Cleveland, man. It felt like they had kids that were 18 years old. It, I mean, I had never been ran the fuck over like that at that age ever in my life. I was always one of the

• 43:34Speaker 00

  Shaw was the high school, Kirk was the middle school.

• 43:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  Kirk was bad too, because a lot of the kids were held back. I wrestled a kid with a beard in middle school. That was, talk about intimidating. You're an eighth grader? You just started to get pubes and all of a sudden this guy's got a full beard across from you? Like, I don't, I was like, what is going on right now?

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 43:53Speaker 00

  I won. I got him. I got him.

• 43:55Travis Kelce?

  So if it wasn't Duke, if it wasn't Duke, who were you thinking about going to? Ohio State was on the list or?

• 44:01Speaker 01

  So I was a big Ohio State fan, like growing up.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Even when they had Terrell Pryor, Teg and Junior.

• 44:07Travis Kelce?

  Me?

• 44:08Speaker 01

  I used to love the football team.

• 44:09Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Basketball team. You know, when I got older and I got to high school, it really came down to, so I only took one official visit. Like, I only took one official visit to Duke. And I, I knew right away when I was there, I was at junior high school and I was like, this is, this is where I want to be. A long shot, my second choice would have been St. Louis University just because.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  Hometown?

• 44:32Speaker 01

  I, I thought I might have been homesick if I left. So there was a part of me that like, man, I think I might want to stay close to my family.

• 44:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  You know, after I took my visit, it was really like, you know, this is, if I want to get to that next step, this is going to be the best place for me to go.

• 44:46Travis Kelce?

  Before we get out of this March Madness stuff, what's your first memory of March Madness? Like, what, can you take me back to being in St. Louis and, and having the, the love for basketball? Following the tournament, one of the biggest moments growing up?

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Honestly, I would have to say I vividly remember in 2010, Brad Stevens probably not gonna like this, but I remember Butler. I remember watching Butler play against Duke and Gordon Hayward shooting that half court shot.

• 45:17Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  And actually ironically, I was cheering for Butler at that point. I didn't hate Duke, but I didn't, I never envisioned myself, right? I never thought Coach K would come to my house and recruit me. So Duke just seemed kinda like out of the realm or the possibility. So that was my earliest memory is just watching Butler and Duke play in the national championship and just envisioning myself like, man, one day, you know, I'm gonna play in March Madness. And, uh, you know, it came true.

• 45:47Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  We can't talk about Duke without talking about Coach K. What was it like playing for Coach?

• 45:52Speaker 01

  It was quite the experience for sure.

• 45:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:55Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you gotta tell us, man.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  No, man, Coach, that's my guy. He's an unbelievable person, somebody that I still talk to, obviously, you know, pretty frequently to this day. He still always checks up on me.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  That's awesome.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  A leader amongst men, right? He's just, his ability to motivate guys, to get you to buy in, uh, to get you to run through a wall. And you guys know, being in college, like, been coaching 18 to 21 year olds and getting them to believe in something bigger than themselves. I think he was unbelievable at that. He was great at making you uncomfortable in ways that he knew that it would make you better.

• 46:36Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Being at Duke and playing for Coach K, uh, it definitely prepared me for the next level. And, uh, it wasn't always great moments. He cussed me out a lot and, and things like that, but, uh, it was well warranted, um, in those moments.

• 46:51Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm talking about. I love some good, tough love, man.

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Gotta have it sometimes.

• 46:55Travis Kelce?

  Made me criticize myself more and that's how, that's how I ended up getting better, to start criticizing myself on everything.

• 47:01Speaker 00

  Whenever you have a coach who's really trying to push you, you're gonna have those moments. I know I've had it with every great coach I've ever been with and every great teammate. Like, if you're always just comfortable around people, you're usually not testing those extremes to make each other better. That's just the reality of it. I've been cussed out by my dad in football. I've been, I mean, everybody's giving it to me, so. It's part of the territory.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 47:24Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man, that just reminded me one of dad's best, one of his best rules. He never was a basketball guy. And I ended up like gravitating towards basketball around like elementary school and middle school really took off for me. In high school, I took it serious and he always told me, he said, if you're, if you're not getting three, at least three fouls a game, you're not being aggressive enough. You get five. You get five.

• 47:48Speaker 00

  That's solid advice. If we're being honest, that's solid advice.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 47:53Travis Kelce?

  Until you get three in the first quarter.

• 47:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is bad.

• 47:56Travis Kelce?

  Alright, alright, I need to, I need to.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  I'm gonna go sit on the bench now.

• 48:01Travis Kelce?

  It really is. So he's like, you're gonna be an intimidator. Oh, I was gonna ask you, John Shire, man, Coach Shire, his, was he there when you were there?

• 48:10Speaker 01

  Yes, John is a, he's the guy that actually recruited me.

• 48:13Travis Kelce?

  Is that right? What? He was going door to door, trying to get guys to come to Duke?

• 48:18Speaker 01

  I joke with him all the time that, you know, he should thank me that he is the head coach.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  Let him know.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Let him know.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  But no, John, I, I talk to John every single day.

• 48:33Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  That is, that's my guy. He's done an unbelievable job. He was recruiting Luke Kennard out of Akron. We had a tournament, I think I was a sophomore, I might've been a freshman, freshman or sophomore. And we had a tournament in Milwaukee. Kennard was supposed to play on the court next to me, but I don't think his game started yet. So I think John was waiting on his game to start and he just happened to sit down and, and, and watch our game. And I, I tapped one of my teammates. I'm like, yo, he coached, he worked at Duke. And we had like 10 minutes left and I was like, I just got to it.

• 49:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. That just worked. He's like one of the greatest shooters ever at Duke.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  He is. He just came back to the next game and the next game and then, you know, eventually got a call that Duke had offered me a scholarship and, uh, you know, never looked back.

• 49:19Travis Kelce?

  So I remember Shire chucking threes during, uh, during his times at Duke. In his prime and your prime at Duke only, who was a better shooter?

• 49:29Speaker 01

  I mean, he gonna see this. I, at Duke.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  He gonna see it. I love the preface.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  I'll give it to John. When I was at Duke. I hear you. He was a better shooter at Duke, but.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  So you're in your eighth season. Do you finally feel like an NBA veteran? You know, I mean, obviously you came in at 19. Now you've championships. You've been in for a while now. Like, I mean, how's it feel differently than your rookie year? What, what's, what have you learned most from your rookie season?

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Oh man, I could write a book. Yeah, all right. Well, we'll be looking for it. Catch it on Audible.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Shout out.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Do I feel like a vet? No, like I just turned 27. Like I, you guys probably know, I feel like I got drafted yesterday. I remember what it felt like, but year after year, it's like when the rookies come in and you'll see their, their comments, their interviews at, at the draft and like, you know, who did you model your game after? And now I'm starting to be. Yep. One of the guys that they looked up to.

• 50:35Speaker 00

  That's when you know.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  More.

• 50:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  And that transition is like, whoa, like.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  You're still in your twenties, man.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  I remember looking up the KD.

• 50:46Speaker 00

  Looked up to me. I just got here. What do you?

• 50:49Speaker 01

  I, I guess I'm transitioning into an NBA veteran just because, you know, I've been in playoffs every year. I played over a hundred playoff games. So basketball terms, yes, but, you know, I just turned 27. So I still feel just as young.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  Well, speaking of other guys looking up to you, who are the vets that you looked up to? Who did you model your game after?

• 51:09Speaker 01

  Oh man, I mean, Kobe was my, my, my idol. That was my favorite player. You know, kind of like why I fell in love with the game. Yeah. Guys that I really studied, KD would be at the top of that list, Mello, Paul George. Then I get to the league. And you know, you, you guys probably understand this as good as anybody. Al Horford, from a professional standpoint, like somebody that came to work every day, had a routine, had a plan, whether it was a practice day, a game day, or off day. That was so beneficial to me of like, you know, when I was young, I just think I could show up, put my shoes on and get on the court.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  And Al really showed me, not even by telling me, just by like watching him go through his routine. And now he's in, Al's in year 18 and still a vital part of a championship team. I learned so much from him of, you know, what it is like to have a routine and create your own and what works best for you. Um, I think that's so important for, for any young guy coming into the league is like, you need a routine, you need a plan every day. And your plan is going to look different from other guys, but every single day you should know what you need to attack, what you need to do to get yourself ready for, you know, whatever it is to come up.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  I love what you just said, cause it, it's so true. Everybody has players you look to growing up and that's the end product that's on the field or on the court. And of course you want to do things that they're doing out there, but once you get there, whether, and you start learning really in college and then the NFL, you see guys that are getting an edge or preparing a way and you're like, hey, I like, I really like what he's doing there. I'm going to start doing that or, you know, I, I, this guy gets the most out of the meeting room because he's taking notes or, you know, how does he do that? And you're drawing from all these guys. So I think you're right a hundred percent. Like that's really what ends up making the biggest difference is how you prepare for game day.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  You ain't lying.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  Game day is a manifestation of all the preparation that went into it as well as all the God given talents.

• 53:08Travis Kelce?

  I'm telling you, keep having those conversations with the, the guys that are out of the league that, you know, I mean, are later in their career because I'm still learning from guys. I'm taking shit that my brothers told me, I'm taking stuff.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  You've never told, I've been telling you for, I told you last year, get out of them cleats and you didn't do it one time.

• 53:25Travis Kelce?

  You told me literally to wear the special gear ridiculous.

• 53:28Speaker 00

  It didn't work.

• 53:29Travis Kelce?

  No, but he, um, I still take notes from a guy like Tony Gonzalez or, or a guy like, uh, like Unc, Shannon Sharp. I'll hear what these guys, you know, say they did towards the end of their careers that helped them get the best out of their body, week in, week out. And it's like, it's just a non-stop like. Cycle of like trying to better yourself and I can I can see it right now. The way Al Horford plays the game, his alertness, his attention to detail. He's always in the right spot, always ready for the moment. Like I could see that definitely being somebody you could look up to, man, or at least take notes from like that. Your profile picture is actually you with uh, with Kobe Bryant. And we were talking about how he was the guy that kind of got you into,

• 54:11Travis Kelce?

  you know, loving the game of basketball a little bit, or at least, you know, you idolized and uh, we all idolize at some point our in our lives. Is it weird playing against the or playing for the Celtics against that guy who is literally at the top of the Lakers?

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 54:27Travis Kelce?

  Did you? Did you always kind of envision yourself maybe playing in a Laker uniform or?

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  We don't gotta answer it. We don't go.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  They had the second pick. So there was a part of me that's just like, man, my, my dream of being in NBA is about to come true. And then like my real dream of playing for the team that, you know, I grew up a fan of, you know, I was, it was so close, but

• 54:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  It made me appreciate it a lot more. Just like, I remember, I remember the first day I walked into Staples Center, like the first time we played the Lakers and I was in disbelief with just like, man, I I watched so many of his games in this building and now like I'm on the same floor. In that moment, it bridged the gap with like me and my favorite player. Like I got to share the floor, you know, of the place that he, you know, helped build.

• 55:16Travis Kelce?

  That's pretty fucking epic.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  And man, that's what sports is about. Like you guys understand our responsibility is to motivate and inspire the next generation. Somebody inspired you guys, he inspired me and you guys have inspired millions of kids to be the next Jason or or Trav. And it's cool about what we do is, you know, somebody watching us that's going to grow up like, man, they really helped me, you know, motivate me, even if we never met them before, right? They they they help motivate the next kid to chase their dream. And um, you know, that's one of the coolest things about, you know, what we do, in my opinion, for sure.

• 55:52Travis Kelce?

  Nah, hell yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 00

  Unbelievably well said. Hundred percent. I think everybody remembers when they were a kid looking up to somebody. When you see kids come up to you, that's one of the bright spots of being an athlete, right? You get to see that innocence and just like that genuine pleasure of like, interaction is just incredible. And Kobe even for, he came and talked to us. We were a full-on NFL team in 2017. He was from Philly. The year we won the shoot, but he came and talked to the team. And even then, like still motivating, there were guys that took more away from that conversation than they had taken away from anybody in the football world. And how he prepared, how he got ready, how he, his process in, in

• 56:36Speaker 00

  getting better. Like it was, it was phenomenal. So I'll never forget that. He was great. Probably one of the best people we've ever had to talk in, to the team since I was in the Eagles. It was great.

• 56:46Travis Kelce?

  What was your impression of Boston fans initially, but, or at least before you got to, to Boston?

• 56:52Speaker 01

  To be honest, like before I got to Boston, I didn't know much or really pay attention. I grew up a Laker fan, so I, I didn't really like the Celtics and I wasn't aware of, you know, the Boston sports culture.

• 57:05Travis Kelce?

  Uh huh. For sure. Yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Patriots beat the Rams. So just growing up from St. Louis, like the Red Sox beat the Cardinals, like St. Louis, you just don't really like Boston.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Whether it's a TNT game, it's a preseason game, or a league pass game on Mondays, we always sell out. Majority of the time when we go on the road, like every game is road trip. It's been three straight games. We hear let's go Celtics chants throughout the arena. Like our fans just travel so well. They show up early and often. It was a relief and it was a special moment to win the championship in front of them. And then, you know, you guys have been on a parade. It was the best two hours of my life. And having 2 million people in green and white outside, you know, cheering you on and expressing their joy for, you know, what we accomplished. It, it was special for sure.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  Of course. What's it like playing for Joe? You enjoy that?

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Joe is crazy.

• 58:04Travis Kelce?

  He seems, he seems like quite the character.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  We actually talked about you. We, we played Portland the other day and I got, I got a tech with like, we was, the game was basically over. I ended up getting a tech with like 30 seconds left.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  So.

• 58:20Travis Kelce?

  I'm always here for a good fourth quarter tech.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Right. So Joe, he comes up to me after the game. He like, so if you get, if you get like 16 or 17 texts, you get suspended for a game. So Joe like, he like, yo, can you just get four more so you can get suspended?

• 58:39Speaker 01

  I'm like, Joe, I think I'm done. He like, I would, I would much rather you just come punch me. I, I, I want to fight.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  He's like, you see, when, when Travis Kelce ran into Andy Reid, do that to me.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  I love it. Oh my gosh.

• 58:56Travis Kelce?

  Keep it in house, baby. Keep it.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's right.

• 59:00Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Coach Reed for being the man for not getting too riled up. But no, that's too funny, man. You could tell Joe does it the right way, man. He, he seems like he has you guys enjoying what you're doing. And, and that's always, I think the hardest part as a, as a coach in any of these professional leagues, is making it serious, intentional, but at the same time, so, so loose that everybody feels comfortable being themselves and making it, you know, a fun thing or an enjoyable process. You know what I mean? He seems like he's got that all figured out, man.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  I don't think coaches get enough credit for that because it's, I mean, you guys got 60 people on the team. I have no idea how you guys do that. Um, you know, there's only 15 or so of us, but Joe does an unbelievable job of, um, just managing all the personalities and the ups and downs throughout the season and, um, getting us to buy in.

• 59:53Travis Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  That's really important.

• 59:55Speaker 00

  It's a mark of a great coach.

• 59:57Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, man. You just mentioned there's like 60 guys on our team and you guys got just 12, but.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Do you know everybody on your team?

• 1:00:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, of course. I mean, there are, obviously there are like the handful of guys like on the practice squads and, and everything that come in and out per week. Like we'll, we'll have a like a, a transition and like a switch in and out every single week of like just God, developing guys, but for the most part, I know everybody. If I don't know you, I'll go up to you and say what's up. Like you, you want to be able to at least, you know what I mean? Keep it and make everybody feel like they're a part of it. You know what I mean?

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  What's the, he's on the D line, Ter, Terrence?

• 1:00:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he's a St. Louis guy.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I played football with him.

• 1:00:38Travis Kelce?

  No way. Turk just got a big contract. I think Carolina, I think he went to Carolina, just got a huge contract.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  We played on the same football team. We grew up in the same neighborhood for like five years. I just.

• 1:00:49Travis Kelce?

  Man, he's, he's a tough son of a gun too, man. That's one dude I am not fucking around with.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  And he's been like that too.

• 1:00:58Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he, he, he's a hell of a competitor, man. I've seen him actually hoop. He's a, he, at least he tried. I'm not gonna say he's a bad hooper or a great hooper. He's like, he's just, he's gonna compete his ass off though.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  He's playing good defense, basically is what you're saying.

• 1:01:11Travis Kelce?

  You ain't lying, yeah. If he's guarding me, I'm uncomfortable. If he's guarding me, I'm uncomfortable. He is the epitome of a, of an NFL guy playing defensive basketball.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  Dude, we gotta get on that. Do you think, do you think an NFL player could play in the NBA?

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Oh my God. So.

• 1:01:28Travis Kelce?

  You know, we had to ask.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  We gotta ask all of, every, come on.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  I would, I would venture to say no from both standpoints. Like I, the guys that get on TV and be like, you could just take this guy from the NBA and throw him in the game this Sunday. It's like, no, it does not work like that.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  I mean, it might.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  No. It does not.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  Well, you mean to tell me Russell Westbrook can't go out there and give you some points? Give me, give it, at least play special teams.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Not on a week's notice and I love Russell.

• 1:01:58Travis Kelce?

  I hear you on that. I hear you on this. I, do you actually, you're making a great point. I hear what you're saying.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  I think there are a handful of guys that played in the NBA that if they had an entire like summer or a year to train and prepare, could they make an impact? For sure, but like just drop a guy from the NBA and throw him in the game? No shot.

• 1:02:20Speaker 00

  Are there any NFL guys that could train for a year and go play in the NBA?

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  So listen, I have certain.

• 1:02:29Travis Kelce?

  Don't crush my dreams. Don't crush my dreams. I'm thirty five and I still got hoop dreams, man.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  I got so much respect for you guys and what you guys do.

• 1:02:41Speaker 00

  It's so true.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  It's just a different.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  We all know.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  It's nothing funnier than watching football guys play basketball.

• 1:02:46Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man.

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  And how funny is it when people like impressed with something that an NFL guy does on Twitter? And as a basketball player, he's gonna be like, come on, guys. Like, this is really what we're like, oh, wow, he can play in the NBA. He just dunked. Yeah, that's for sure. That's all it takes.

• 1:03:04Travis Kelce?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:03:05Speaker 00

  That's it.

• 1:03:05Travis Kelce?

  That is typically the.

• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, damn.

• 1:03:08Travis Kelce?

  He just did a windmill. He can do it.

• 1:03:09Speaker 00

  He can play in the NBA. What the fuck are we talking about?

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  There's always a video that comes up on Twitter of somebody in the NFL, their high school highlights and when they go windmill and stuff. And it's like, he could have been. It's like, no, I think they chose.

• 1:03:26Speaker 00

  No, I think it worked out all right.

• 1:03:27Travis Kelce?

  You were you were mentioning Terrell Pryor growing up. What I'm telling you right now, I think Terrell Pryor's best sport was basketball in high school. I played against him on the court and I always looked at him and other guys that were like in my grade, like all the camps that I went to and stuff. And I'm like, man, this dude, he just, he's a different type of athlete, man. And he definitely had, he had offers to go D1 in both sports and just decided he wanted to be a quarterback, but.

• 1:03:55Speaker 00

  It's an interesting name you brought up because Terrell was definitely athletically. He was, he was ridiculous.

• 1:04:00Travis Kelce?

  Man, when I tell you with the ball in his hands too, he was fucking special.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  So I think at that point, like in high school, if you.

• 1:04:07Speaker 00

  It's a different conversation.

• 1:04:09Travis Kelce?

  Depends on where you like.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  If you decide like, all right, instead of football, I'm gonna go give my all to basketball, then yes, then I definitely believe in that. But just like, oh, you've been focusing on football for the last 12 years and now. No, and I vice versa. I don't, I just don't think it works like that.

• 1:04:27Travis Kelce?

  I hear you on that. Well, glad we got that out the way. That was actually a pretty good. I mean, you're right. I feel, I feel everything you're saying.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  Kind of got sidetracked there.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Well, I got, I got one.

• 1:04:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, shoot. Hit us. What do you got?

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  So this is my first year playing fantasy football.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  Oh, gosh. Okay. All right. All right.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  So I was in two leagues and.

• 1:04:45Travis Kelce?

  Who'd you, who was your tight end?

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Mark Andrews.

• 1:04:50Travis Kelce?

  Oh, Mark was a good one though. Mark, he finished strong. He probably helped you out in the, in the, in the playoffs for sure. He finished strong with a bunch of touchdowns.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  I had two leagues. Uh, so in one league I had Pat. I didn't understand all about fantasy football. I'm just like, oh shit.

• 1:05:06Speaker 00

  Took a quarterback first?

• 1:05:07Travis Kelce?

  That's, there you go. Yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 00

  Got to go running back. Got to go running back.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I go running back and wide receiver.

• 1:05:12Speaker 00

  Should have gone Saquon. Should have gone Saquon.

• 1:05:16Travis Kelce?

  Man, anybody that's.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Let me go get the best player in the league. Let me go get Pat and nothing but respect for you and Pat. But it's like.

• 1:05:24Speaker 00

  It didn't work out. It didn't work out.

• 1:05:27Travis Kelce?

  It was a different year for us. Yeah, it was a different.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  Eighteen, eighteen to twelve. And it's like, ah, wasn't cutting it for me.

• 1:05:35Speaker 00

  You gotta, you gotta get the, you know, the running quarterbacks or the, uh, like you gotta get, uh, you know, Jalen's a great one because he's gonna get, he's gonna get you like 15 tush pushes into the end zone.

• 1:05:45Travis Kelce?

  Lamar, Josh.

• 1:05:46Speaker 00

  Great one.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  Lamar, I had Lamar in my other league. He's, Lamar is unbelievable, obviously in the real game, but in fantasy football too.

• 1:05:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. He's, he's perfect for fantasy. I mean, he's perfect. He's, he's pretty perfect for regular football as well, but fantasy.

• 1:05:59Travis Kelce?

  He's got it all covered.

• 1:06:01Speaker 00

  One of the most insane things, we were in a joint practice with the Ravens and I'm not going to say nobody's name, but he did a juke move in a tag off. Like you're not even supposed to tackle, right? You know how hard it is to juke somebody?

• 1:06:13Travis Kelce?

  Who's just trying to tag?

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  Is just supposed to like tag. You're playing tag essentially. This dude just has to like get within a seven foot wingspan to touch in this guy. Completely falls over. I mean, one of the, it was insane. The move he put on the, like to the point that both teams Eagles and Ravens just erupted in the middle of this practice. It was so, it was right there and there. I was like, oh, this guy's way different. This guy's way different.

• 1:06:38Travis Kelce?

  He's not fucking with.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  So he had one MVP or do you think they got it right?

• 1:06:42Travis Kelce?

  God damn.

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  They both had great. Cases for MVP. The only reason I tend to think they got it right with Josh is because I think Josh, a lot of the times the MVP comes down to expectations and I think the Ravens expectations were high from the get go. And I think Josh losing some of the guys that they lost, they didn't really have a lot of other star power. I think they overachieved and he had a season that was unexpected, which is why he got it. I think that narrative a lot of the times ends up being the one that wins, but both of them had merits of winning it. And that's the reality is like most years, multiple people are up for it. So they both could have got it. But I do think that right there was the reason why I think Josh did end up getting it. But if they would have given it to Lamar,

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  I wouldn't have been like, hey, he deserved it too.

• 1:07:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there's no wrong answer. I believe. Let's get to some no dumb questions. All right now. Hey, we always ask our fan base, the 92 percenters to send us their questions and there's no dumb questions, just two dummies answering it and then the anomaly. So would you still want to be six foot eight?

• 1:07:49Travis Kelce?

  If you were bad at sports?

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  It's a great question. It's a lot of inconveniences that come with that height.

• 1:07:59Travis Kelce?

  How like how bad?

• 1:08:02Travis Kelce?

  Like, like, like you're not even getting picked at the rec.

• 1:08:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Last pick in dodgeball.

• 1:08:07Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I, I love being six eight. I ain't even lying.

• 1:08:13Speaker 00

  Fair enough.

• 1:08:14Travis Kelce?

  I respect it.

• 1:08:15Speaker 00

  The not being able to find shoes that fit is, is, is an inconvenience I can deal with for being six eight. I love it.

• 1:08:22Travis Kelce?

  Pretty sure.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  If you had to play an entire game wearing flip flops, how many points are you realistically dropping?

• 1:08:29Travis Kelce?

  You're still finding a way to get some space? Flip flops?

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  You at least catching, you can sit in the corner and catch, you know.

• 1:08:37Travis Kelce?

  I just played my ankle last night wearing basketball.

• 1:08:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's a great question. Let's pass that one. Who's on your Mount Rushmore of basketball players?

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Oh, Mike, Bron, Kobe.

• 1:08:49Travis Kelce?

  This is where it gets tricky.

• 1:08:51Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  I would say Kareem.

• 1:08:53Travis Kelce?

  Kareem? You're going Kareem? The hook shot?

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  Kareem, okay.

• 1:08:57Travis Kelce?

  I respect it. I respect it. Listen, man, do you think his hook shot would still be as unstoppable in today's game?

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  I mean, like, the short answer would be no, but would he adapt and still be effective? Yes. The game is not played like that today, but he was so talented and skilled that he would have found other ways to score the basketball, for sure.

• 1:09:18Travis Kelce?

  That thing was unstoppable. I love watching highlights of that thing. Just woo.

• 1:09:25Speaker 00

  That was the last fist fight Travis and I got into. He just kept doing this dumbass hook shot in the backyard. I couldn't stop it.

• 1:09:32Travis Kelce?

  I was, JT, I was nice in the paint. I was only 6'5", but I was nice in the paint.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  I believe it.

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  I was utilizing all five of my fouls early. All right, what's, why is it called a field goal?

• 1:09:44Travis Kelce?

  In basketball, yeah, that's actually very interesting.

• 1:09:47Speaker 00

  It makes zero sense, right?

• 1:09:49Travis Kelce?

  I feel like back in the day, they might have called the basket a goal.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  I get, that part makes sense. The field part is, never really thought about that.

• 1:09:57Speaker 00

  It's on a court and it's not a goal, but it's still called a field goal. This is why I think it's called a field goal. This is why I think it's called a field goal.

• 1:10:03Travis Kelce?

  Here we go.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  I think they used to only have scoreboards made with the FG, like, field goals. So they just started calling them field goals because that's what the scoreboard had and they had to call it a field goal. No, doesn't make any sense?

• 1:10:20Travis Kelce?

  I'm not buying into any of this.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  I'm surprised nobody asked, growing up in St. Louis, was I a Kansas City fan?

• 1:10:30Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say, man, hold on, hold on. You already mentioned the Rams once. You already mentioned the Rams once.

• 1:10:37Travis Kelce?

  I'm trying to think of what eras those would have been for you. Like the Stephen Jackson era, like, yeah, who was, who was your team?

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Sam Bradford, Stephen Jackson.

• 1:10:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  So they won a Super Bowl 2001, they lost in 02 or 03, and then after that, they didn't make the playoffs. It was a little bit of a drought. For like 15 years, at least they didn't make the playoffs, the rest of the time they were in St. Louis. So I was a Peyton Manning fan. That was my favorite player.

• 1:11:02Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, you went north, you went north.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Sheriff.

• 1:11:05Travis Kelce?

  Right down the street, yep.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  But ironically, like when the Rams left, the older people in St. Louis just became Chiefs fans.

• 1:11:13Travis Kelce?

  They did 100%. We, we, we gathered everybody in Missouri.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  They pretty much, when they left, I wasn't like, all right, I'm a Chiefs fan now. Cause like, I don't know, St. Louis and Kansas City just kind of always had this like. A bit of a rivalry. Royals.

• 1:11:27Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  It was like a little rivalry.

• 1:11:29Travis Kelce?

  Cincinnati and Cleveland had a very similar thing, especially with the, with the two being sports rivals and the, in the AFC East or the AFC North, I mean. No, I, we definitely completely agree with that. We ended up going to Cincinnati. So we ended up getting kind of love from both cities and having that love for both cities. But, um, so when, when they moved to LA, did you go to LA with them?

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:58Travis Kelce?

  So you just, and this is why you play fantasy football. You're just a fan of the league now.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  I don't have a team. I appreciate players. I appreciate like, not to bring it up, but like when you guys played the Eagles this past, you know, Super Bowls, like, you know, Eagles, great team, great story, but me just went in the championship and like, damn, we trying to win our second one. You guys trying to make history and win your third. Like I appreciate it, you know,

• 1:12:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Potentially watching, you know, history being made. Um, so.

• 1:12:29Travis Kelce?

  I, I appreciate you jumping on and then being, and I'm sorry, um, that you had to endure that.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Nah, man, that's, I respect it for sure.

• 1:12:39Travis Kelce?

  How do you guys feel like? It's been trying to defend that championship. Like, how tough has it been throughout the year? And I mean, you guys are getting everybody's fucking best shot right now. And I'm sure it's a lot different playing 16 games than it is playing 82 regular season games, trying to like navigate week in, week out, different lineups, different, you know, you guys are gonna have to probably play a few games without you in it. Like, how difficult has it been?

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Joe talks about it all the time. He said, expected to be tougher than you think, right? None of us have been in this position. Besides Drew, Drew won a championship with Milwaukee, but the rest of us, like, we don't, we don't know what it's like, you know, coming back after you just won a title. You know, you think it can go one way and, you know, there's, there's good stretches and then there was a, there was a stretch where, you know, there was a 12 game stretch where we won one, lost one, won one, lost one. And we playing against teams and they have a guy that, you know, is a 30% three-point shooter. And that night he hit 11 threes.

• 1:13:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, everybody's getting hyped to play you guys.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  Everybody's excited to play you. You're getting everybody's best shot and then, you know, dealing with injuries and certain guys being out. It was tough and we had to, you know, come together and get closer. But I would say, you know, we 22 and four in our last 26 games, right? So we've definitely hidden our stride at the right time and, you know, with 10 or so games left and getting ready for the playoffs. You know, this is when you want to feel your healthiest, want to feel your best, want to be the most confident, understanding that, you know, what's ahead and, you know, how tough it was last year, expected to be tougher this year.

• 1:14:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Because what we trying to do.

• 1:14:30Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah.

• 1:14:32Travis Kelce?

  Well, nice, man. I think that does it for our No Dumb Questions. Get into our last segment, man. Get you out of here. We appreciate you having fun with it, JT, man.

• 1:14:40Speaker 00

  Yep, absolutely.

• 1:14:41Travis Kelce?

  This is our last segment. We, we close out all the convos with a segment called We Gotta Ask, But You Don't Have To Answer. You can tell us to fuck off and kick rocks. Or you can have fun answering some of these silly questions, man. What was your welcome to the NBA moment?

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  Oh, my first two games. So, man, we get Kyrie. Our first game of the season was back in Cleveland, so. Kyrie's first game back, we playing LeBron, it's on TNT, I'm still 19 years old. And this atmosphere is unlike anything I've ever been a part of. I can't even fathom this for you right now. Oh my God. I'm playing it cool, going through my routine, I go.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  Just play it cool, man, just play it cool.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  I remember I go for, I go for like individual warmups and I just look down the court and it's Dwyane Wade warming up. And I, it's just like, it was just like, wow, I'm really, I'm really here. Oh, yeah. Then I get, I put my uniform on, we go off for layup lines and I'm cool, I'm laying the ball up. Cleveland hasn't ran out yet. After like two minutes, they run out and I, and Bron runs out last. And I was like, oh shit, like.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  This is, this is real. First shot, first shot attempt I got, he blocked this shit to like the fifth row.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  And I was like, yeah, this is, this is what it's about. All right. Man, that's a great fucking story.

• 1:16:08Speaker 00

  Made it. I don't know if you saw, did you see George Niang talking a little bit of trash the other night with Quentin Grimes? Did you see that?

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Yo, I love, I love George Niang.

• 1:16:18Speaker 00

  Me and you both, me and you both.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  That's my dog.

• 1:16:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  And shot the three at home.

• 1:16:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Is the psych out still, like, did you ever watch baseball growing up?

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  I did. I haven't seen it in a long.

• 1:16:34Speaker 00

  Been a while. So what about the psych out? What's, what's the art to trying to psych somebody out who's about to shoot a ball? Like, what's the, what's the best strategy? Like whether you're playing horse with them, like what, what's the best thing that somebody said to you? Or something that you found that you can say to somebody else right away to get them off their game?

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  So like, say something to them or just all the antics that, that guys do.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  I would say either or, whichever one you want to go with. Are you an antics guy or are you a verbal?

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Different, yeah, there's different. I don't really talk much when I play, like, I really, like, we have to have a relationship, like Bam Adebayo, like, I've known Bam since eighth grade. Donovan Mitchell, like, guys in my draft class, like, if I know you, like, you know, we'll have friendly.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Trash talk or whatever, but like I'm not just like, I don't, if I score on you, like, I'm not gonna say that. I'm just gonna run back on defense, uh, but always having the other team's best defender guard you, um, throughout the years. Seeing the different things that guys like, you know, who do to try to get you off your game.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  Has, is, is, is funny. I remember, I remember one time playing against Patrick Beverley when he was with the Lakers.

• 1:17:44Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man, this is the, he is the king at this. Go ahead.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  I love Pat Bev. I love how he competes, talk trash with the best of them. Uh, but I don't, I don't say much. So I remember it was one game we spent with the Lakers and they was waiting to take the ball out of bounds. And he like, start like tickling me.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Like smacked his hand. He was like, you got, you got stronger. You got stronger.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  But just like as a defender, any little thing that they can try to do, pull your sock down, untuck your jersey at the free throw line. I wear an armband. People pull my armband down to my hand all the time.

• 1:18:26Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man. These are, these are all great moves. Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Back the back of your neck, just like all type of things that, you know, is, is, is part of it. And, and I'm pretty sure there's things like that in, in, in football.

• 1:18:37Speaker 00

  No, I love it. I love all that little stuff. Anything you can do.

• 1:18:40Travis Kelce?

  Get real cheeky. Your childhood friends with a beaut, as they call them in hockey, Matthew Kachuk.

• 1:18:46Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:18:47Travis Kelce?

  He's a beauty, man. Uh, him and his brother were a recent guest of the show as they represented USA in the, um, in the Four Nations Tournament. That was fun seeing them throw their hands and, and, and fight for the USA in that regard. Uh, you guys recreated this old photo of you both after, cause you guys grew up around each other, huh? In the St. Louis area.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  We went to school together from seventh grade to 10th grade. So yeah, two years of middle school, two years of high school. And then after our sophomore year, I, I think the rules are different for hockey. He, he ended up leaving and, uh, going off professional.

• 1:19:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  We, me and Matt, we had classes together. That, that picture that we took, I think we was going on a field trip at like Chicago or something.

• 1:19:30Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, we had projects together. So it it's just cool to, you know, see both of us. We won a championship in the in the same year.

• 1:19:39Travis Kelce?

  That was fucking awesome, man. Great dude, man.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Unbelievable person, um, a hockey player. His brother is amazing too. And it comes from a great family as well. So, uh, couldn't be happier for him and his family.

• 1:19:52Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah, man. Did you ever get on the ice?

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 1:19:56Travis Kelce?

  No, never got on the ice?

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  We would play. We would play hockey in gym class, but like in the gym.

• 1:20:02Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  I would try to be goalie because I was like the tallest kid, but that shit ain't.

• 1:20:08Travis Kelce?

  Goalie? Fuck, man. Jason used to force me to be the fucking goalie. Like, no, I'm taking shots on you. And he would just rip them from like 10 feet away. I'm like, come on, man. This is fucked up. We got two champions in their respective sports, but there's a third guy hanging out in the back of these, uh, this picture. I don't know if it's the same kid or is the third, is he the third? That's the homie? Is he? I was about to say, has he won any championships or?

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  I don't think so. He's another kid in our class named Jacob. He didn't. He wasn't a sports guy, but he was cool. And, uh, the Cardinals end up flying them in. I think he lived in like San Diego or something. Uh, they end up flying them in so we could recreate the picture. So.

• 1:20:54Travis Kelce?

  That's so funny, man. Shout out to Jacob.

• 1:20:57Speaker 00

  Here we go, Jacob.

• 1:20:58Travis Kelce?

  Your seven-year-old son Deuce is always courtside. Are you gonna be able to, you know, play in the NBA long enough to maybe, maybe play with your son? Get the Celtics to draft him?

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  A lot of things gotta go right for that.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Sounds cliche to say like, I never like forced him to play basketball. Obviously, he's always been around it. And, um, even like at home, I like, I would just want him to naturally, if he wanted to play basketball, then then we can. So I was saying the last, man, like the last like six to 10 months, he's really like fell in love with the game. And been more attentive at the games. He asked questions. He, he's, he plays basketball now every Saturday. And I can honestly say like, I haven't ever had more fun in a gym than going to his Pee Wee game Saturday mornings. Like, that's the most fun I've ever had in a basketball gym.

• 1:21:53Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man. You can see him go crazy. Is he chucking it?

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  He shoots every time.

• 1:21:59Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm talking about. Keep chucking it, Deuce.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  He like, huh?

• 1:22:05Travis Kelce?

  No, I'm, you never.

• 1:22:07Speaker 00

  Why would I do that? This is way more fun to shoot this thing.

• 1:22:10Travis Kelce?

  I'm watching you doing it there, exactly.

• 1:22:14Travis Kelce?

  Did you ever get a follow back from LeBron? Did he ever follow you back?

• 1:22:18Speaker 00

  Still waiting.

• 1:22:19Travis Kelce?

  We got the, we got the old tweet from back in April of 2012, man. King James follow back is Larry Hughes nephew from St. Louis. Shout out to Larry Hughes, man. Cavalier for a while. I definitely was rocking with him for a while. But that's pretty cool, man. Had one to have an uncle or someone like Larry in the league already. And yeah, did you ever get the follow back?

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, Bron ended up following me back. It was funny because they brought this tweet up when we played him in the conference finals my rookie year.

• 1:22:49Travis Kelce?

  Oh, shit. So he finally, he leaned in once, uh, once you guys were in the Eastern Conference Finals together?

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, he followed me back on Instagram after that, but.

• 1:23:00Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Many a battles against each other and been on Olympic team. And Bron is a great friend of mine and somebody that I got a really good relationship with. But I made that tweet. That was like when I first got Twitter and.

• 1:23:13Travis Kelce?

  Oh, listen, you already know, somebody like me, you bring out my 2012 tweets.

• 1:23:17Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:23:18Travis Kelce?

  I'm gonna have a fucking field day. I can't even spell shit. I would have spelled cousin with no O.

• 1:23:25Travis Kelce?

  There's no, there was no, there was no auto correct back then. Nice, man. Glad you got the follow from Bron and that, uh, man, you're, uh, you're chasing your second ring, big dog. And appreciate you coming on here and, uh, and chopping it up with us in the 92 percenters, man. Everybody, Jason Tatum.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:23:43Travis Kelce?

  Appreciate you, dog. Thanks for, uh, thanks for all the time too, man. Much love. Get that ankle right and, uh, yeah, I might, might have to catch you courtside at a Eastern Conference Finals game, man. Catch you against Cleveland again, man.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  What was their last?

• 1:23:58Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was just the end, uh, it was like the end of the season.

• 1:24:01Speaker 00

  That was last year. That was in the regular season. Yep, yep, yep.

• 1:24:05Travis Kelce?

  Wishing you nothing but the best, man. Go and get you another one, big dog.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

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• 1:24:10Travis Kelce?

  You know it.

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• 1:24:52Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 1:25:08Speaker 00

  That's right, this thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count.

• 1:25:15Speaker 00

  I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 1:25:16Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot, that's what makes it special.

• 1:25:24Speaker 00

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing, pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 1:25:33Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 1:25:36Speaker 00

  I love a water park.

• 1:25:37Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship, not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 1:25:45Speaker 00

  They've also got Playmaker, sports bar and arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 1:25:55Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in, get the family on the new Legend of the Seas sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 1:26:02Speaker 00

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• 1:26:06Travis Kelce?

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• 1:26:14Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 1:26:20Speaker 00

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• 1:26:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 1:26:26Speaker 00

  My mouth specifically?

• 1:26:28Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

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• 1:26:51Travis Kelce?

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• 1:27:06Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 1:27:08Speaker 00

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• 1:27:16Travis Kelce?

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• 1:27:20Travis Kelce?

  All right now, well, that does it for our interview with Jason Tatum, man. I just love talking to champions, man. The guy, you could tell why he is a champion, you know? The guy just has such a professionalism about him.

• 1:27:31Speaker 00

  It's a good time talking to highly successful people that have dedicated themselves to being the best in the world at something. Take a quick look at the leaderboard of the New Heights March Madness Challenge. We have zero perfect brackets left after the first weekend in both our men's and women's brackets. Current New Heights men's bracket rankings. Brandon,

• 1:27:54Speaker 00

  did you guys put this in there just because you want us to say that you guys are ranked above me and Travis right now?

• 1:27:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:28:00Travis Kelce?

  Is Jason, Jason's ranking is higher than mine?

• 1:28:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:28:04Speaker 00

  How is that possible?

• 1:28:05Speaker 06

  In terms of points, yes. Jason's, Jason's got you beat right now.

• 1:28:07Speaker 00

  How is that? I have two final four teams out. How is that possible?

• 1:28:11Speaker 06

  Sure. It just, your total score that you could end up with is much, much lower than Travis's. But currently, right now, you're in the lead. You got more in the first two rounds correct than he did. You just are dead in the water for the eight and the fours, basically.

• 1:28:23Speaker 00

  So I gotta really hope, Trav, who's your, you have, you have, who's your final four? Duke? St. John's, who's out of it? Michigan State?

• 1:28:31Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 1:28:32Speaker 00

  Auburn?

• 1:28:33Travis Kelce?

  Auburn and Florida.

• 1:28:34Speaker 00

  So I gotta hope Auburn and Florida takes some L's. Otherwise, I'm screwed.

• 1:28:40Travis Kelce?

  I'm not sure if that's how it works. But Jake and Brandon do, and Brandon and Jake are both at the-

• 1:28:45Speaker 00

  They're winning.

• 1:28:46Travis Kelce?

  They're in both brackets because they cheat and they just give themselves extra points, I'm sure.

• 1:28:53Speaker 00

  But what we do know is that Travis is in last place.

• 1:28:57Travis Kelce?

  Gosh, I just don't understand.

• 1:28:58Speaker 00

  Because he just doesn't know basketball. That's what I keep trying to tell him.

• 1:29:00Travis Kelce?

  I thought I did. I thought I did.

• 1:29:02Speaker 00

  You think it's about points and stuff, and dude, it comes down toughness.

• 1:29:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. I also took Akron over Arizona. I'm a dumbass.

• 1:29:14Speaker 00

  So did I.

• 1:29:16Travis Kelce?

  Jeez, go Mac.

• 1:29:18Speaker 00

  I don't know why I put Akron so high. It was the dumbest thing in the world. I just saw an Ohio team in there. I'm like, yeah, they're fucking doing it. Let's go Akron. They're tough. Rubber ball, you shitting me?

• 1:29:29Speaker 00

  I did the same thing. Fell right into that trap.

• 1:29:31Travis Kelce?

  We're idiots. You did call it with those silver spoons. Stop it.

• 1:29:36Speaker 00

  Sorry, yo. Sorry, yo.

• 1:29:37Travis Kelce?

  That's not, that was uncalled for.

• 1:29:39Speaker 00

  Dude, I did input all of my women's. So the way I did my women's bracket, I did UConn and South Carolina. I forgot about Dawn Staley. South Carolina is who I had winning it. Shout out to Dawn Staley, Philadelphia's own.

• 1:29:52Speaker 00

  But everybody else I just did based on roster, average roster height of the top five. It took me legit a full day to calculate the roster heights of every single women's team in the March Madness.

• 1:30:11Travis Kelce?

  Okay. All right. So this is proof. This is, he's citing his sources that he did it.

• 1:30:17Speaker 00

  Apparently it has not panned out. I am in third place.

• 1:30:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I'm glad you had it all documented to show us how bad you are.

• 1:30:26Speaker 00

  I tried, searched so long to try and find this information and I just gave up. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna do it myself.

• 1:30:33Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 1:30:33Speaker 00

  That was a good, uh, waste of time.

• 1:30:36Travis Kelce?

  Hopefully everybody's having some fun, uh, watching these games. I know I am. Jason, what's your favorite part of March Madness so far?

• 1:30:42Speaker 00

  My favorite part of March Madness is as much as it hurt, watching St. John's lose because I had them going all the way to the championship. Well, I didn't. I had them losing to Michigan State, but I had them going all the way to the final four. I was happy for Calipari. I think, I mean, listen, it's a, it's a matchup against two coaches that back when I used to watch college basketball a lot were two of the premier coaches in college basketball.

• 1:31:05Travis Kelce?

  Still premier.

• 1:31:06Speaker 00

  And obviously still are. So I think having that connection and watching those two guys go at it as well as those two teams and it was a great game. Yeah, that was probably the highlight. What do you got?

• 1:31:15Travis Kelce?

  Um, my highlight?

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  Calling Drake? Calling the Drake? I mean, that was dope.

• 1:31:21Travis Kelce?

  Unfortunately, they lost to, uh, Texas Tech.

• 1:31:24Speaker 00

  Did you have them beat Texas Tech?

• 1:31:25Travis Kelce?

  I did. I had them beating Tech. Um, and Pat made sure to let me know that I was an idiot for doing that, but, um, they're, they're obviously a fun team to watch. I have nothing but, uh, love for, uh, the, the Tech group and man, my favorite one so far, I don't know what it was, but I just love a buzzer beater, man. That Maryland game the other day and, and seeing, you know, Maryland, what I didn't realize is coming into it, they only have four losses and they were all at the buzzer. It was crazy how like they finally, and their next close game in, at March Madness, they, they went on a buzzer beater.

• 1:32:01Travis Kelce?

  That team right now is, they, their bigs are physical, you know, they control the game or they, they control the tempo of the game, uh, because they, they play inside out and I just, right now I love, I love that team, man. They, they kind of just like grabbed me and they're like, the Terps are, they're fun to watch, man.

• 1:32:21Speaker 00

  I think everybody's kind of on that bandwagon right now. And that's where I really screwed up. When trying to figure out this bracket, I should have leaned into one of my best resources.

• 1:32:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Don't even look at my bracket.

• 1:32:31Speaker 00

  Scott Van Pelt really could have just let me know all this stuff.

• 1:32:33Travis Kelce?

  The McNeese game I called and was telling everybody I'm a fucking genius. You even hit me and asked me how the fuck I knew that one. Yeah, no, I, um, I don't know much, but I, if you pick enough upsets, if you pick enough.

• 1:32:46Speaker 00

  Now I get it. This is how you play roulette. You just play enough numbers and then all of a sudden it hits and you're like, yeah, see, I told you it was going to be red seven. Yeah. We also said it was going to be. You know, all those other numbers too.

• 1:32:57Travis Kelce?

  Look where I had most of my chips.

• 1:33:02Travis Kelce?

  It's brilliant.

• 1:33:04Travis Kelce?

  Just play the neighbors. Just play the neighbors.

• 1:33:05Speaker 00

  That is a funny way to pick out brackets is to just pick all the underdogs. They get told you called it.

• 1:33:10Travis Kelce?

  Fucking every one of them. I could just be like, knew it. Drake knew it. McNeese knew it. What about Grand Canyon, Travis? I thought I knew it. They got fucking smoked by 40. Hopefully, you know, Duke finds a way to, to make it all the way and, uh, and take the case. So I look at least somewhat intelligent. Um, it's looking like they're going to, but I say we wrap this thing up, man. Shout out to Jason Tatum. Appreciate you, brother.

• 1:33:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, baby. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel. Follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:33:57Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's. Peanut butter cups. That's right. Fucking sweet ass jacket. Reese's got me. You, you.

• 1:34:11Speaker 00

  That is dope.

• 1:34:12Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. All right now. Shout out to Reese's, uh, peanut butter cups and, uh, follow the show on all social media. For fun clips throughout the week at New Heights Show with one S. And, uh, thanks to our production and crew for always making us look way better than what we are. 92% of us will see you guys next week. Good luck in your brackets.