#2285 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comic, actor, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Flagrant" podcast with Akaash Singh, and the "Brilliant Idiots" podcast with Charlamagne Tha God. Look for his new special "Life" on March 4 on Netflix. www.theandrewschulz.com https://www.netflix.com/title/81741999 Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at ziprecruiter.com/rogan Visit www.squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

• 0:03Speaker 01

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 00

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Oprah's doing an episode on psychedelics.

• 0:15Speaker 03

  God bless.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  How about that?

• 0:17Speaker 03

  God bless.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  That means she's definitely done it. Yeah, you don't do a fucking... Are we rolling yet? Are we rolling? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, you don't do an episode on psychedelics unless you fucking visited the Maya.

• 0:29Speaker 03

  Unless you dabbled.

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  Unless you got in there.

• 0:31Speaker 03

  You think it's ayahuasca or mushrooms?

• 0:33Joe Rogan?

  Most of those fancy people like to do the ayahuasca.

• 0:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, because then you can claim spirituality above all other people.

• 0:41Speaker 03

  Oh, you think there's like a pretentiousness?

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%. There's a, "I've done it. I've done it. I've experienced the mother god."

• 0:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  The god.

• 0:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  "I've experienced Gaia."

• 0:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  It's like, I think, I think people do, really do experience that, but also, there's a certain type of personality that wants to let you know that they're enlightened.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07Joe Rogan?

  They're further down the road than you, Andrew.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  And like, one way to get like instant street cred in the psychedelics world is say you do ayahuasca.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  And if you do mushrooms, you might just be some asshole at a party.

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  You and your friends are just fucking giggling nonstop on the couch. It could be that.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  There's no points in mushrooms.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  Right. You don't get points for that. You can say, you say you took a heroic dose, you'll get points amongst the learned.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, "Oh."

• 1:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the casuals don't give a fuck.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  The casuals don't give a fuck.

• 1:35Speaker 03

  You do ayahuasca, we're gonna pay attention a little bit.

• 1:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the casuals are gonna go, "Why'd you eat eight grams?"

• 1:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39Joe Rogan?

  "That seems crazy." But the other people are gonna go, "Whoa, what was that like?"

• 1:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, Oprah's out here.

• 1:46Speaker 03

  Oprah's out here pushing it. I wonder if it's like, uh...

• 1:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is on my friend Mark Bell's page, Mark Smelly Bell. And he said, "What fucking year are we living in? Like, what is happening here? What's going on?"

• 2:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. I wonder if the ayahuasca thing is, uh, for some, like, a quick fix. You know, they're looking for like immediate life change.

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. And also, sometimes your life has been such a colossal series of failures that you want like some symbolic reset.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  And probably there's a lot of value in like a real like a like set and setting like a ritual.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  Like I'm a merge, I'm a new person. At least maybe that bullshit will give you some momentum.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  For real.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  To kind of get on the right track.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  I was talking to Neil about this. Neil Brennan, you know, he, he, he did it.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  He's done a lot of different things.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz he was trying. You know, he was really battling this stuff.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  He needs to get off that vegan diet.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe that's it. What if it's just chicken is all he needs?

• 2:50Joe Rogan?

  Just needs a rib eye.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  He's down in Costa Rica licking toads and he really.

• 2:55Joe Rogan?

  For real. If I had that dude over my house and cooked him some elk steak, I'll change his fucking life. If you make an agreement, just eat this with me.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  He takes one bite and he's like, I am worthy.

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  But I think he was talking about it and then like, um, and he was, you know, you know, one of his like superpowers is his like cynicism, right? And it's really debilitating. And I tell him this all the time, but like, it's also amazing cuz he's like hyper aware of what the most negative thing could be.

• 3:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, so for joke writing, it's amazing.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  It's, it's like he's constantly wondering like, what would his biggest hater think? I actually think it was, it was one of the reasons why Chappelle's show was so successful because it's like, to create things, you need to be super confident. You need to not worry about who's gonna criticize you.

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  So if you can outsource your criticism. So if Dave can like think about these things and be like, okay, this is awesome. And then Neil can be like, yeah, yeah, but this would be said if we do this. And then together, you have this like perfect combination of like uber confidence and then this insecurity. And then you make these things that are just masterpieces.

• 3:59Joe Rogan?

  And hyper analytical insecurity.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, like intelligent.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you're smart and insecure, it's even worse. Dumb and insecure, you can manage. But then he said, he did the ayahuasca and he was like, um, he had gave me this like, uh, I don't know, feeling of connectedness or whatever people experienced through it. And he's like, it was really liberating. I think I did my best work afterwards. Cause I wasn't constantly beating myself up. Like I was able to create. So I think there is value in it. But I do think sometimes people are looking for like the, the quick. Okay, my life has changed now and now I, I connect with the world and I'm, we're perfect.

• 4:35Joe Rogan?

  You can always tell the guys who beat themselves up because they beat other people up too.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  What is it? Hurt people, hurt people.

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the guys, the guys who beat themselves up, they're always like super critical of other. But look at him. Look at his fucking bullshit.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  Did you ever go through a stage like that?

• 4:50Joe Rogan?

  Not really. No. No, I, I figured it out when I was 21. Real lucky. I talked about this the other day. There was one time, it was an open mic night. And, uh, the guy went on after me. I was hoping that he would bomb. And I remember thinking that like, what a bitch ass way to think that is.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  Ugh.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:07Joe Rogan?

  Like that's such a bitch ass way to think. And I completely shifted my perspective. Cause like, you don't think like that with martial arts. Like you can't think like that. You know, you can't think like that. You can't think like that ever. That's like a weak ass thought.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  And then I realized like, oh, this is like your brain trying to occupy itself. With, you know, this time that's gonna be between you and your goal of doing something in comedy. And it's so far away. You suck. You're 21 years old and you suck.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  So everybody else gotta suck.

• 5:39Joe Rogan?

  So you want people to fail and you wanna do better.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:42Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's just a total scrambly, I don't know what I'm doing with my life thought.

• 5:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:47Joe Rogan?

  And I realized, I was like, oh, that's a bitch ass thought.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  But that is very normal for human beings.

• 5:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. There's a lot of bitches out there.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, like we're kind of bitch made in general. Like it takes more effort to not be a bitch, actually.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you have a job. So if you have a regular job, job, like an office job. You will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours, a fucking day, every day of your life that you're there.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:13Joe Rogan?

  That is a lot of time bullshitting.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  And when you get out of all that bullshitting, there's not much you left. Whatever could have been you never grew. Because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights and a fucking monitor.

• 6:27Speaker 03

  You're watching Severance, right?

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  There, I mean, clearly it's a metaphor for, I don't know, there's a lot of things that go on to it.

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot going on with that show.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  And also shout out Ben Stiller. I didn't even know Ben had this, like, level to him.

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  I've always respected Ben. I thought he was hilarious, making great comedy movies. But I didn't know he was like an avant-garde storyteller, like...

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  I mean, this is...

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  It's also the way it's shot is brilliant.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  The first episode, every shot, I don't know who the DP is, like, we should find out who that guy is, but every shot has like perfect symmetry. Did you notice that?

• 6:58Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know, dude, but it's just...

• 6:59Speaker 03

  You could cut the screen in half, every single shot.

• 7:02Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 7:02Speaker 03

  It is, it is masterpiece. And, uh, but I, I think about that, like, this idea of like severing yourself, a lot of people are doing that at work anyway.

• 7:11Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  And that's what you were describing. They're this other person at work for eight hours a day.

• 7:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  They aren't their self. There's a different identity. They make up these little terms, like, oh, it's my work wife. It's like...

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why it's so easy to push like crazy woke nonsense into an office space, because people are already bullshitting.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Oh, so if we're already pretending here, what else are we gonna pretend about?

• 7:31Joe Rogan?

  What else do I have to do to keep this job?

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  What do I have to do to get a promotion? What do I have to do? Do I have to pretend that trans kids, what is it? Drag queen shows? Okay, I'm in. I'm in. Healthcare, yes, on my dick. Whatever you wanna call it. Gender-affirming, was that what we're calling it? Okay.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  And it's interesting, like, to see how little pushback there, there is about, like, from the workers now that all these, like, programs are being wiped away.

• 7:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, the people that are losing their job are complaining hard. And then the senators are complaining hard, but everybody else is happy.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, the people who've been faking it at work, that are still working there, are not like, damn it. You know what I mean? They're just going, alright, I get to be like a little closer version to myself.

• 8:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're probably gonna get fired.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  At Disney? You're saying at Disney?

• 8:14Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 8:16Speaker 03

  I'm saying all these programs, like, have come out, maybe not Disney, but it was like Zuckerberg comes out and goes, yeah, Meta, we're not gonna do the DEI shit.

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  I think Amazon even came out and said it.

• 8:24Joe Rogan?

  I thought you were meaning government jobs are cut by USAID.

• 8:26Speaker 03

  No, I'm talking about corporate jobs. People have a corporate jobs.

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• 9:55Joe Rogan?

  But there's like, there's a bunch of people that got jobs and their whole job was to make sure that the company was diverse. Right. And it's like, do you remember the Rainbow Coalition? You remember Jesse Jackson back in the day? Jesse Jackson used to... I mean, I know Jesse, but I was not familiar with him. He had this thing where he would go to businesses, like if they had some sort of a dispute. Like say if there's some sort of an issue, like maybe some black executive got fired and maybe shouldn't have, or someone put something on the wall in the bathroom, something. Jesse Jackson will come in and free a nominal fee. For a nominal fee. He will come in and straighten your business out. And so... What does straighten your business out mean? Well, make sure that you guys are on the right track. Give a little speech, collect a little check. And then what would happen?

• 10:40Joe Rogan?

  Basically say you're not racist. Absolutely. You're not racist. You can't be racist. You're hiring Jesse Jackson and we're on the right track. So he comes along, gives you the rubber stamp.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  Legend.

• 10:49Joe Rogan?

  And then, and he's like ballin', like ballin' out of control, just giving the rubber stamps to these companies. And then on top of that, what they do is then they would have jobs for people to oversee this activity in a large corporation. So it's basically like no show jobs the mob used to give out at the Javits Center.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 11:08Joe Rogan?

  I had a buddy of mine who had one of those.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  Do people know what the Javits Center is here?

• 11:12Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a big convention center in New York City.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  This is where like Comic Con would be and all these different things.

• 11:18Joe Rogan?

  Big stuff.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  And it was mobbed up, right?

• 11:20Joe Rogan?

  Mobbed up.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  So they would have all these fake jobs that you could give to the guys around the block.

• 11:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  Everybody's getting paid and is probably supported by the city in some way, right?

• 11:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't want to say his name because he's still around, but he was an actor. And I was working with him and he was explaining he's got a no show job. I knew he was.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Do I know who you're talking about?

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  Probably not, but I'll tell you afterwards, fucking great guy.

• 11:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 11:43Joe Rogan?

  But afterwards, everybody was like, that guy's like so mobbed up. He had a fucking no show job.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  You know what's funny about the?

• 11:50Joe Rogan?

  You can get like 200 grand a year, you don't even have to work.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  I mean, I mean, there's a lot of like construction jobs and stuff, but this is.

• 11:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is what USH is finding. USH found this place in San Antonio that.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  You thought it was only Ukraine getting money for nothing?

• 12:05Joe Rogan?

  Billions of dollars on, and it's fucking, no one was there, completely empty.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  To me, this is not like shocking, but.

• 12:11Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it's the numbers are shocking.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  No, the numbers can get shocking, but it's funny that Jesse Jackson thing is an actual job because I remember like, I had a joke that I could never work out, but the idea was, was based on, um. It was, it was Black Lives Matter when, when Ukraine started popping, right? So everybody had the Black Lives Matter posters in their windows in New York. And when Black Lives Matter kind of came down.

• 12:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's once those ladies got caught buying houses.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Of course, of course.

• 12:41Joe Rogan?

  That put a dent in it.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  It wasn't great. So, so now there's all these white people in New York that have Black Lives Matter in their window, but they're like, I gotta get this out of my window. So I had this idea for a joke where it's like, if I was a black dude, I would set up a business where we will take down your Black Lives Matter poster for you. And then replace with like a, a Ukraine flag. You know what I mean? So like, you're still a good person. Jesse was doing it in the fucking seven. I had no clue the Rainbow Coalition already worked.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that is what it's called, right? Yeah, it was the Rainbow Coalition. He had a bunch of other things he would call it under, but the whole idea was just to make sure that people weren't doing the wrong thing.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:17Joe Rogan?

  Do the right thing.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta do the right thing.

• 13:18Joe Rogan?

  You gotta do the right thing.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  You always gotta do the right thing.

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  But the problem with that is it gets hijacked. Obviously, there should be no racism. There should be zero racism.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:25Joe Rogan?

  There should be zero discrimination. Everything should be merit-based.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  But the problem with that is, and this is a real problem, the country's not merit-based in terms of like where you're born. Like, you didn't earn your birth spot.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  You didn't earn your family.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:40Joe Rogan?

  You just roll the dice.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:42Joe Rogan?

  And you get real lucky or really fucking unlucky.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  And as a community, as a country, we pay zero attention to the completely downtrodden.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  I think this is the biggest mistake that the Democrat Party has made is not making it a class issue. Like, the most successful people in the party, like Bernie, and you like her politics or not, but like AOC, they make it a class issue every single time. I think AOC polled the same as Trump in her district. Why is that? Because people think that she wants to help. And Bernie has just been taking shots the entire time. He's like, "Look at all these billionaires. They got a lot of money. You don't have enough money. Campaign finance is fucked up. We need to stop that. There's too much influence with people with money." And it resonates with people.

• 14:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  We feel like you want to help. I mean, you, I feel like you were like a big Bernie dude.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  Dude, that was the first time I really got canceled, was over Bernie. Because they didn't want Bernie to win. And so they started calling me racist and homophobic. And I was like, "Where is this coming from?"

• 14:42Speaker 03

  When Bernie started popping, what did they say, right? They had to, I don't know who "they" is. You could call whoever the fuck they want, but like, there was this idea that they had to like thwart his success. And these articles started coming out where it was like, "The Bernie bros."

• 14:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Bernie's got a problem. His fans or supporters are sexist, they're racist, and they're these bros that are fucked up and they're radioactive and they're bad people. And he's got a real problem. So they're trying to make him radioactive. And I remember seeing the reaction to Trump coming on the pods. And it was the exact same playbook. It was like, the manosphere pods.

• 15:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  They're sexist. They're racist. Look how fucked. It's like, you're doing the same thing.

• 15:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  You're making it about identity politics. I think Americans are kinda simple in that like, we want abundance, but we want access. So if eggs are expensive, I can't care about your bathrooms. Right? Like, and you need to tap into that feeling right there. So if I'm a Democrat, I'm just, this is a class issue. But I feel unfortunately, a lot of them are in the pockets of these wealthy people.

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, this is, it's all a, it's all a hustle. If we had, the entire time, if we had brilliant people working for the betterment of the United States, it'd be a far better place to live in. We've had a bunch of people that are capitalizing off of the fact they get in this position of extreme influence and wealth.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  And they make insane amounts of money for people with a hundred and seventy thousand dollar a year salary. And they keep it rolling.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  So how do you, how do you do that? Like, how do you find, okay, how do you, how do you find somebody who wants power, but is also benevolent?

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  Cause you gotta get rare human beings.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  That's the thing. Most people who want power, don't exactly wanna give back.

• 16:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  It's a bottomless pit.

• 16:21Joe Rogan?

  Bro, have you ever seen people get like a little bit of power and lose their fucking marbles?

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Like who?

• 16:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, I can't say. I can't tell the story. Cause it'd be like real obvious who I'm talking about. But it's not one of our friends. I just don't wanna say it publicly. It's not, you don't even know them.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  But I've seen people with just like, you get a job where you're the boss now and you just become a cunt and a half. Like, what happened?

• 16:42Speaker 03

  Do you think it, it exposes who they always were? Or do you think it actually changes their, their character?

• 16:49Joe Rogan?

  It's probably both. It's probably both. They probably had weak character to begin with, but they could get away with it if they were not in situations that, you know, caused a lot of anxiety or stress. But then as soon as they do get in a situation, like causing, like if you're the boss of some workplace somewhere.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:09Joe Rogan?

  I've just seen people just completely lose their shit when people rely on them and depend on them. They just become tyrants.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  Do you think that they resent the dependence?

• 17:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what it is, man. I don't know what it is.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  You have a lot of people that, depend is, yeah, I would say, depend is tricky because they have the autonomy to not do that. But there are a lot of people that definitely rely on you and.

• 17:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, do you feel pressure from that?

• 17:39Joe Rogan?

  Me?

• 17:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  Really?

• 17:42Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  But I feel like you took care, like, before you opened the comedy club, you were taking care of these people that you asked to come out here and work for you. So you must have felt this concern for them.

• 17:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:53Speaker 03

  Like, didn't you hire them and weren't you paying them even before the club was open?

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, they were all unemployed out of LA. So I said, "Listen, we're gonna open up a club, we're gonna find a spot, but you could start immediately." So, like, you just get paid, enjoy Austin, kick back, relax, we'll call you in about a year and a half.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  But you felt...

• 18:11Joe Rogan?

  It was around two years.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  But you felt the responsibility?

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes, but it didn't burden me.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 18:15Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't like, "Oh, this is a heavy responsibility." It was like, "This is smart, we could do this, this is the right thing to do. This way, we already have the best people that, you know, got fired from the Comedy Store because Comedy Store couldn't open, because LA's retarded."

• 18:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:30Joe Rogan?

  And so, we got them all to come out here and it's like, "Look, the right thing to do, so like, pay them now and we'll figure that out." We just had to figure out where the spot was and then, obviously, once we got the spots, like, this is gonna be a long, we're gonna have to put some construction in this bitch and do a lot of shit and it's gonna take some months.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  So you knew it was gonna take time, you're like, "Okay, I'm gonna take care of them in the interim." But again, it's, so you're not burdened by people feeling like they rely on you or anything like that?

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  No, it doesn't bother me, no. If it burdened me, like, if it was something where I was worried I was gonna run out of money, like, if I was, like, stretched real thin?

• 19:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  I'd be like, "Fuck, there's so many people working for me, this is a problem." Like, "I gotta, I gotta, like, figure something out."

• 19:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  But I'm not, so, it's okay. It's just, it's like, decide what you think about in this life.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  What do you mean by that?

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  Decide what you think about in this life. If you, are you gonna do something that's going to change the way you feel about having a bunch of employees or have people, or are you not? Or are you just gonna freak out about it? Like, decide what you think about things.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  What are those two philosophies, like, determinism and free will?

• 19:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Are you a huge free will guy? Do you believe in determinism at all?

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• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  Will is real, okay? I know it's real because it exists in me. The idea, though, is that it's fleeting and it's dependent upon a multitude of factors. Your will is really dependent upon your hormone levels, your genetics, how much sleep you've had, what positive or negative experiences have shaped you in your life. There's a lot going on that, like, forces you into this position where you have to decide whether or not will is real.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:55Joe Rogan?

  But will's real.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  I believe it's real.

• 22:57Joe Rogan?

  It's 100% real.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, I know, it's not determinism that makes David Goggins run harder than anybody else. It's will.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:09Joe Rogan?

  It's 100% will. His knees are destroyed.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:12Joe Rogan?

  It's only will that just gets you up off the couch if your knees are destroyed and you run a tidy 30 miles that day.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:20Joe Rogan?

  That's not, that's not determinism.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:23Joe Rogan?

  That's bullshit. If it was determinism, there'd be tons of those guys out there.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  There's only a small Cameron Haynes, small little fucking handful of these, like, psychotic people who have incredible will. World champion fighters, you know, Gordon Ryan in jiu-jitsu. Like, there's a, like, Gordon Ryan works out every fucking day of the week. 365 days a year.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  It's a huge sacrifice.

• 23:47Joe Rogan?

  If you want to be really great at something, you kind of have to be out of your fucking mind, but you also have to have an iron will.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:56Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to work out every day.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  There's going to be days you just want to eat cake and sleep.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  But if you want to get past the guy who eats cake and sleeps, you don't eat cake and you don't sleep.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  That's Will dude, that's Will. There's a, I don't, your determinism can suck my dick because it's never, there's no just like accidental amazing people. It's like, no, it's like a lot of similar stories. You know, single mom, you know, started doing this, started doing, invented something when he was 18.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Do they all come from trauma, you think?

• 24:29Joe Rogan?

  I think a lot of people that are hyper ambitious come from a shitty environment.

• 24:33Speaker 03

  And what is that connection?

• 24:35Joe Rogan?

  I think it's probably wanting something better than you're experiencing and knowing that it's possible, that it's out there. And knowing the pain of living in the ghetto, or the pain of being on food stamps, the pain of poverty. And then the fact that like, when you're poor and you're young, you wonder whether or not you're going to have food. You know, that's a scary thought for a child.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's motivating.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it puts a kind of fire in you, like, you don't get a Mike Tyson if he grows up in Brentwood.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:04Joe Rogan?

  You know, you get them when they grow up in Bedford-Stuyvesant, you know? You don't get them when they have an awesome dad and an awesome mom who was there for their baseball games, tells them what a great job they did and consoles them when they get hurt and like, no, no, no. You have like a life of pain and then you got some pain to dish out after that.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  I also, but I feel like it's not completely dependent on that. You know, like I wouldn't say that I had this like life of pain. Like I've, you know, dealt with my shit, you know, but I feel incredibly competitive and ambitious.

• 25:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're an artist. It's a different thing, right? The reason why it's a different thing is you're an artist in a very specific genre, which is talking shit. You're a shit talking artist, right? Like shit talking.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  I love to steal it to that. It is what it is.

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  It is what it is. It's beautiful. It's my favorite, my favorite art form.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:52Joe Rogan?

  And shit talking artists, they want to be around a bunch of people and have a good time.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  Right? So you don't need, need to come from trauma to be ambitious and be a shit talking artist.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  All you have to do is like be someone who admires success and who wants to progress. And keep getting better at this thing that they love that has given them so much.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you also, you also have to sacrifice and you have to commit to things.

• 26:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  You know, I do feel like it takes. Like I mean, I didn't, I mean, in the beginning, like, I don't think I celebrated a birthday for like a decade. Like, I don't think I ever considered, like, taking a vacation or anything. Like, I was just so hungry to get after it, to get good, to be like undeniable. That was like this goal. It's like, how can I be undeniable? I would see these guys go up, like fucking Greer Barnes or Mike DiStefano. And I'd just be like, they're just undeniable. And, yeah, I don't know, I just, I didn't even fucking drink, I think, for like a decade. I was like, I gotta get better at this. I gotta just kinda work. And maybe that comes from like watching my parents work hard or something.

• 26:59Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure that helps.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were really hard workers.

• 27:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  And that's like the expectation of work.

• 27:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, you have a lot of gratitude. And I think if you have gratitude, you realize how fortunate you are to have the ability to work hard.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's a real thing.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  Oh, dude.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  Especially working hard at something that you're actually successful at. Like, once you're actually successful, keep that foot on the gas, motherfucker.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  It is.

• 27:21Joe Rogan?

  Keep that foot on the gas, let's go.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  That, that's like the balance. Like, you just put something out, so I imagine you took a little time off afterwards.

• 27:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did. I got like 25 minutes right now.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Okay, so you're building back. And like, I, I find in order for the next thing I do to be different, I have to take time away.

• 27:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Cause I have to like reflect on the changes in my life. And if I keep going, like earlier in my career, I would just go, go, go, go. And I found I was writing different versions of the same jokes.

• 27:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Like, they were different jokes, but it was same topic, same kind of reaction. And I think it was, I just wasn't.

• 28:00Joe Rogan?

  You're trying to fill time.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm on the road. I'm like, I gotta go back to Albany next year.

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  You gotta do another hour.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  I'm making 1500 a weekend, I gotta go.

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  And then you get connected to that material because you've been doing it for a while.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  And then it doesn't really resonate with you, yeah.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  And then, yeah, so it's like.

• 28:13Joe Rogan?

  I think Louis took a whole year off.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  I think, I, I really, I really respect that.

• 28:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think, I think it's wise.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:21Joe Rogan?

  I think taking time and thinking about it is really wise. And thinking about like, what are the things that are, that are on your mind? Like, what is? What is, uh, how do you really feel about this world that we're living in? This, this world that seems more and more like it's not real. More and more like it's a fucking simulation.

• 28:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:39Joe Rogan?

  I'm, I'm kinda convinced now.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  What, it is a simulation?

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, something going on. There's something more to reality than what meets the eye. There's more to it than what you could put on a scale, or what you could put a rule or two. There's more to this thing. This thing's made out of like some very bizarre energy that's attached to consciousness. That's what I think.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  What do you mean by this?

• 29:03Joe Rogan?

  I think that, like, I think it's really possible. First of all, it's inevitable that one day they will achieve a simulation that is indiscernible from reality.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  And, and no doubt about it. They've gotten real close, you know, where you could put on haptic feedback suits. You can see things and you feel like you're in a room. They're, you know, it's crude, but it's like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years ago versus, you know, some modern warfare game now.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 29:35Joe Rogan?

  They're going to get to a point where it's indiscernible.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  So if it's, if it does happen, how do you know? How do you know when that takes place? Now, here's the question. Is that the ultimate progression of technology? Is the ultimate progression of technology transcending physical reality and becoming completely digital life? So if that is possible, how do we know?

• 30:03Speaker 03

  What's real?

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  If it hasn't already happened?

• 30:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  How can we know if it hasn't already happened?

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, one thing, I would say that if this world was scripted, it would be filled with a lot of shit that's exactly like what happened. Trump would get shot in the ear and say, "Fight, fight, fight."

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  You would have Elon Musk at the inauguration, looking like he's on another planet.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  Now, now Joe, I just wanna make the point here. You're making the argument for determinism.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm not. I'm making, I'm, I'm making the argument that there's a conscious interface.

• 30:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:36Joe Rogan?

  There's consciousness and it's interfacing with something that's not entirely real. And that is the life that we're living in.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  And we think it's way realer than it actually is.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, so is somebody in control of it? Or they're allowing us to have, uh, some semblance of control?

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  I feel like it might be controlled by the actual things that are inside of it. So I think our destiny is truly in our hands. I really believe that.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  I like that. And then if that is the case, how is that not real?

• 31:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is real.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:06Joe Rogan?

  In a sense, but I think that the, the actual way that things happen and work is dependent entirely on the level of consciousness that people have that are experiencing it. It sounds like very hippie dippy and wooey and it all comes, comes from a lot of different things, but one of it comes from Tom Campbell, who, who wrote this like very fucking bizarre book that I've listened to an audio book twice now.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 31:30Joe Rogan?

  Where he's talking about essentially what we think of as reality is just a simulation.

• 31:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 31:38Joe Rogan?

  The whole entire thing is our consciousness interpreting everything as we experience it throughout the day, but when we are not here.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:47Joe Rogan?

  That is not the same thing.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  What do you mean when we're not here, when we die, you're saying?

• 31:51Joe Rogan?

  Like when we're not, if you're not on Mars, is Mars real? Or is Mars something that we, we agree is real? We agree it's in a certain space and it'd only be there when we get there? Like if, if the universe is a true simulation.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:06Joe Rogan?

  Imagine what a mind fuck. You have a simulation where it's perfect in that it has all of these galaxies and supernovas. The moon aligns perfectly with the earth to cause eclipses.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:20Joe Rogan?

  And without the moon being there, our entire atmosphere would fall apart and we would never be able to survive.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:25Joe Rogan?

  So it's like this perfect little thing.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  That's set right there and we spin around and worry which bathroom should we let the guy in a dress go to?

• 32:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 32:39Joe Rogan?

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• 33:14Joe Rogan?

  But meanwhile, it's just a show that's being put on for our consciousness.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Okay, so it's a show being put on for our consciousness, right? And then somebody's put on the show. And then we get the ability to go to the moon? And then they gotta scramble and make a moon?

• 33:26Joe Rogan?

  No, there's a moon. I mean, it doesn't matter wherever you, wherever you go.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Cause that is kinda funny, it's like, if like, our technology gets so good and they're just going, "Fuck, we gotta make this thing real." Like, they're on the way.

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  I'm well aware, if you're, you're like criticizing me, this is a dopey way to describe it, but I, I, you know, if the tree falls in the forest and there's no one there, does it make a sound?

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  I don't even know if the tree falls if there's no one there.

• 33:52Joe Rogan?

  I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced.

• 33:57Joe Rogan?

  I'm not convinced.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  So the tree, okay, okay, so...

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if you take a trip to the Pacific Northwest, you will find trees.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  I just don't know if they're there all the time.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  So they're only there in reference to us looking at them. Oh, I get what you're saying.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  I think that's...

• 34:12Speaker 03

  Wait, wait, wait, so you're playing a video game?

• 34:14Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  And as you move throughout the map of the video game, it presents itself.

• 34:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  But you're saying without us accessing it, it isn't presenting itself?

• 34:23Joe Rogan?

  It might be the whole universe.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  They're saving on data.

• 34:25Joe Rogan?

  That might be the whole universe. The whole universe might be us interacting with something.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  But they exist.

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  But it doesn't exist without us.

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and this is one of those things, like, what does it matter either way?

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  But exists with us in this moment, like, if you jump off a cliff, you will die.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, gravity's real, you'll get pulverized.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:47Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no doubt, but...

• 34:50Speaker 03

  It's because you jumped.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  It, it's also like, your consciousness is, is the reason why all this is here.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:57Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're interacting with it.

• 34:58Speaker 03

  That's the manifestation of everything, though. So, I, I get what you're saying, like...

• 35:02Joe Rogan?

  The structure...

• 35:02Speaker 03

  Existentially, does it exist if we're not touching it, feeling it? It, it's, um, what'd they say about, like, the Native Americans when they first saw the ships? They didn't know what they were?

• 35:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's bullshit, that's not real.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  Exactly, but like, but, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, um... I wouldn't say that it's not real and that they didn't understand what it was. In the distance, they think they were like mountains moving closer.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  They probably just saw these giant pieces of wood and was trying to figure out. They had structures.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  They might not know it's wood.

• 35:29Joe Rogan?

  But didn't they have structures?

• 35:30Speaker 03

  I don't know if they're fishing at that time, I'm not sure. But if you see them in the distance, you see them moving forward.

• 35:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  I get the idea, like, your brain can't map what that is yet.

• 35:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, you'd be freaked out.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  So it's mapping to whatever you know. So it's like, oh shit, is it low tide? And there's some, like, sandbars out there that are slowly approaching? What the fuck is that? That's kind of what you're saying. We can't under, like, I can't understand, like, what a glacier is without knowing what it is. When I see a glacier for the first time, I can recognize glaciers everywhere. But if I take someone who's never seen a glacier to it.

• 35:56Joe Rogan?

  I think this guy's going further than that. I think he's saying the glaciers aren't real unless you're there.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  But if someone is there.

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  At every point in time, throughout the world, then everything is.

• 36:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  And we have enough people where, there's some people in Antarctica. Alright, so Antarctica's always there. There's some people in Alaska, okay, so that's always there. If we have enough people throughout the world, the world is this congealed substance that we can look at, feel, touch, and experience.

• 36:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it might be like the map of the game is like those NASA satellite photos of Earth. That's, that's the map of the game. Like, if you wanted to, like, go through a game, a video game, and, uh, before you go through the game, it shows you, like, these are the arenas in which you're playing.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  And you can choose one of them?

• 36:40Joe Rogan?

  If, yeah, yeah, you could choose one, or you know which level you're going to.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's those NASA 3D photos of the Earth. That's what the Earth is. Earth is like the place where we play this consciousness game.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  When you're sitting at home and you're, like, thinking about these things.

• 36:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 03

  Do you, like, talk to your kids about it?

• 36:55Joe Rogan?

  No, that's too weird to talk to kids about.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  What about your wife? Are you, like, just going, hey?

• 36:59Joe Rogan?

  She would go, what?

• 37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  You know my wife? She'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Okay, so you're walking. So you get out of the sauna, you have a nice sweat, you're walking around your house, you're looking at the stars, you see fucking Saturn or whatever in the sky.

• 37:18Joe Rogan?

  Like, if she wants to talk about something like that.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:20Joe Rogan?

  She'll bring it up. Like, if she wants to talk about something heavy, it's not like I wouldn't talk about something heavy with her.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:26Joe Rogan?

  But generally, like, I come home from work, she's been with the kids, she's doing this and that.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  She don't need all that.

• 37:32Joe Rogan?

  We eat dinner, we have fun, how was school? Have a good time, maybe we watch a little Severance together.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:38Joe Rogan?

  But if she's like, did you ever think that maybe this is all isn't real? I'd be like, I'm so glad you brought this up.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  Okay, so do you, do you struggle battling with the, because some people, when they think about this stuff, they feel their own insignificance, and it's very depressing for them.

• 37:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it doesn't matter. Like this-

• 37:58Speaker 03

  So you're unaffected entirely that like your existence in this lifetime, over the grand scheme of things, could not be important?

• 38:07Joe Rogan?

  It can be important.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  But it is.

• 38:09Joe Rogan?

  But it is to you, and it is to the people around you.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  And if that makes up our reality, then it's important.

• 38:14Joe Rogan?

  Sure. But why think about that? Why think about whether or not you're important? I just don't waste any time thinking about whether or not I'm important.

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Maybe important is, maybe important is like a pretentious word. Not, I'm not important. I mean like-

• 38:25Joe Rogan?

  Don't think about the end of the game. Play the game. Don't go, "Oh my god, it's gonna end."

• 38:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 38:29Joe Rogan?

  "My quarter's gonna run out." Just play the game.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  But some people won't play the game if they know it's, there's no game at all. Or they know it is completely a game. I think that there's this like urgency that is applied. Like, okay, I have to, I have to create the art that I want to create in this time of my life. Like, time is something I've been thinking about like nonstop since I had a kid. It's like, time, how do I spend time? It, it maybe is cliche, but it, it is the, the thing that I like value the most. And everything gets broken up into these little quadrants of time. Okay, I'm out here, I'm doing some pods, okay, I'm away from my daughter, I'm away from my wife. How do I get back that time? How can I like create these events? Like, I don't even buy expensive shit. I like to take a vacation with my friends. I want us all to stay in the villa together. Because when we're in different hotel rooms, we miss out on those little moments in between.

• 39:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  Like, time, time, time. And to me, it's like I'm putting an importance on this, I guess the game you say you're playing. I want to experience the most of this game as I possibly can while I'm here. And I have all these examples of people like finishing the game. You know, my dad, you know, he's a, he's got dementia and all this stuff. It's like you're seeing your ability to, I guess, manifest that reality. You're at the kind of end of your game, you know, knock on wood. But like- Yeah, the idea of like me being important, I don't care about like that in terms of how people see it. But in this time I have here, I want to believe it's really important. And I want to soak as much of it up as I can. You know, and I think sometimes when you're like, ah, it's pointless, it's nothing like.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  I felt like Jim Carrey was going through that moment, like there are these times where I'd see Jim talking about like the insignificance of the world. And I feel like that can kind of like lead people to sadness and depression. I feel like sometimes you need the battery in your back of of of importance. Not you being important to other people, but the time you spend here being valuable.

• 40:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's part of gratitude too. That's one of your best traits. Um, and having gratitude is you would recognize that you this time is precious. You know, and use it to the best of your ability and and really like you enjoy it like soak it up.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Did you see everything everywhere all at once?

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Like I thought that was a beautiful, uh, beautiful way of of showcasing how people look at like the nothingness of life.

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  This girl sees it as potentially nothing and falls into her own kind of. I guess you would call it this depression. Why is it worth it? What the fuck is going on?

• 40:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  And she kind of sees her father as this like weak guy that's getting like walked over. And then comes to realize that like he chooses to deal with the nothingness with kindness and love with everybody. And in reality, he's like a hero, like his perspective on the world is the best. When confronted with the nothingness of life, he chooses to like be compassionate and loving. And it's actually like the most heroic stand you can take. I think it's very easy to just submit to nothingness. You're determined is maybe the wrong word, but like you like hard shit. The day, the day you're no longer here is when you can no longer do hard shit. I feel like your day is full of it and it's just constant like wake up. I'm getting in the fucking ice bath, like everything I see you do is hard.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like you could shoot a fucking thing with a gun if you want, you could shoot animals with a gun. I'm surprised you don't run on them with a fucking knife like I like literally like. I feel like one day I'm gonna see you go, I'm going knife hunting, I'm going bear knife hunting, just because it's a difficult thing to do. And I don't know, maybe that's how you process the. Processed existence.

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think if you are a person who enjoys challenges and finds a reward in like working hard and overcoming that resistance inside of you, as Pressfield talks about, that thing that wants you to be lazy, if you have value in that, you find value in that and it helps you live like a more enriched, more fulfilling life, you tend to just keep doing that. Because this is like, if I know for a fact, me, as much as I work out and take care of myself, if I take like three days off.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  You'll start to get used to it?

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  I start getting depressed, I start getting anxious, I start feeling weird, like I don't feel level. Like a couple of days off, you're just like, ugh, I just feel gross. I was just like, why is the world so weird? And then I'll have one good, hard workout and then I'm like, oh, everything's fine. And I'm like, how many people need that and don't get it?

• 42:55Speaker 03

  So what is that?

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  It's just a human body has certain requirements because it's designed to run from tigers. Okay? The human body is designed to constantly be.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  So you have to feed it?

• 43:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  You have to feed it, you have to deal with these difficult things because for millions of years, that's how our brains and bodies have been processed to work efficiently. And if you don't put in those situations, what is the messaging like, you're wasting this time here? Like, what is that internal messaging?

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  You can have both, right? You can have people that have brilliant minds and shit bodies. They exist. There's people that don't take care of their body at all.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Stephen Hawking.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  And they're, yeah, Stephen Hawking. Uh, but he, you know, he had a disease, but.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  But he wasn't like an Adonis before.

• 43:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's true too.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  People act like it's a big difference.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the best way for your brain to work well is if your body is healthy and has energy. It doesn't mean you have to be a weightlifter. It doesn't mean you have to be, you don't have to do any specific thing. If you like running, run. If you like tennis, play tennis. If you like yoga, do yoga. But you should one hundred percent do something. Find a thing you enjoy doing. That's why golf or, uh, or rather, uh, tennis is such a great thing, because it's cardio and it's fun.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  Right? You're doing a fun thing. You're playing with your friends.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  Also, community.

• 44:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, community.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  Huge.

• 44:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you're, you're active. If you don't do that, I don't think your body is in sync. And I think there's a whole lot of people running out there, taking care of things with pills, that you could fix way better and what, and feel and look better, more importantly. You, it would help in every aspect of your life. It would help you think clearer. You'd have less stress. You'd be more reasonable. Like, go fucking do something with your goddamn body.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:45Joe Rogan?

  And if you, if you don't do that, I really believe if you don't do that, you have less potential. You could have a genius mind that allows you to overcome that potential, which is, just pure intelligence. Just a pure i- insight on the world that's extraordinary. You could overcome bullshit hormone levels and bullshit, you know, body fat levels. You could, but you shouldn't.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  You're so fucking smart and you got a terrible body. Like, what's wrong with you?

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:12Joe Rogan?

  You have one of these goddamn things.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  You can make that thing awesome. You don't even do anything.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:17Joe Rogan?

  You have one of these. You have one fucking body and yours is a dumpster.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  Yours is a dumpster for potato chips. That's crazy.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  What do you like, when you're talking to these high functioning dudes, you're talking to like an Elon, is there, did they value exercise and stuff like that at all? Like, can he even put that in his day?

• 45:36Joe Rogan?

  Um, Elon's a different animal. There's no other human I've ever met like him.

• 45:42Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think he exercises much. I think maybe a little bit. I know he was thinking about fighting Zuckerberg, so he did some training.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  He didn't want that smoke.

• 45:49Joe Rogan?

  He trained with Lex and who else? Was it George N. Pierre?

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  They put up a photo of it. It was George, right? So he trains with one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:59Joe Rogan?

  Lex Fridman, our boy, who is also a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:03Joe Rogan?

  And I think he just did a little bit of that. It was like, fuck this.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Shout out Lex, man.

• 46:07Joe Rogan?

  There it is. And John Donahue, the great John Donahue, the greatest Jiu-Jitsu coach of all time. So he was like learning some stuff.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  I'll never forget Lex coming to my wedding uninvited and blacking out. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that. Thank you, Lex. We really appreciate that.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  In all fairness, it was my fault that he blacked out.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  You forced him to drink.

• 46:26Joe Rogan?

  I kind of got him a drink and didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of its own.

• 46:35Joe Rogan?

  That Russian mixed with that fucking American bourbon, that motherfucker was off to the races.

• 46:40Speaker 03

  It was so funny. Whitney was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna take Lex." I was like, "Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, I like that guy." And then I remember seeing him on like a beach chair, just passed the fuck out.

• 46:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, we had an adventure.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. You guys went to Vegas later that night, right?

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  We go to Vegas that night, because Whitney had a wedding. She had a wedding. She had a wedding at someone's house. It was a corporate gig. But it was a wedding at someone's house.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:00Joe Rogan?

  I think it was a wedding, or a birthday, whatever it was.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  Party, private party at someone's house. Must have been a birthday. So we fly from your wedding, "Yay, congratulations, yeah." We hang out, and then hop on a jet, you know, it's only 30 minutes to Vegas. We get to Vegas, by the time we land, Lex is lit.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  I mean, Lex is lit.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  He was lit at the party.

• 47:20Joe Rogan?

  Lit, lit, lit.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  So Whitney performs at this lady's house.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  Didn't you go on?

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  I introduce her.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought you did like five minutes.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  No, I was drunk too. I went up and said, "Happy birthday," whatever, to the lady. I forget what it was. I'm pretty sure it was birthday. And then I bring up my good friend, one of the most hilarious comics in the world, Whitney Cummings. And then she, we get on the plane, or we get in the car to go to the plane to head back.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  And there's no plane. They never booked a return flight, so we tried.

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  So we tried to get a return flight, because they had her get her a little shitty private jet to get there. So then we tried to get a return flight, we cannot. I call my service, they can't, the quickest they could do is in the morning. Like, what do you guys want to do? So I, we decide that we're gonna get a limo. And so have a car service drive us back to LA.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  Love it.

• 48:13Joe Rogan?

  So it was a four hour drive, or whatever the fuck it is, with me, my wife, Whitney, and Lex.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  I remember you just sending me videos of Lex passed out at different parts of the casino.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  That's at the airport. That's, that's at the airport.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  But he's like that for the last 12 hours. He was like that at the wedding.

• 48:34Joe Rogan?

  He was obliterated. I mean, he went hard. That boy goes hard.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  He goes hard. It makes you want to not drink. There's certain people around, I'm like, I think I'm done.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:43Joe Rogan?

  I think I'm done.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  I feel like less people are drinking.

• 48:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's really a good idea.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  That might be your influence.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  It's a good idea to not drink so much.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  I wonder if the, uh, like, the alcohol companies are concerned, they're trying to find something.

• 48:53Joe Rogan?

  Ah, there's always gonna be drunks.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  I, I, I see it, I see it, uh, like beer consumption way down.

• 49:01Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, it's poison.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:03Joe Rogan?

  It's wonderful, lovely poison.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:06Joe Rogan?

  My favorite poison is wine. I love a great glass of wine.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  Do we have a little, like, a nice little red going on here?

• 49:12Joe Rogan?

  Uh, do we have any red wine here?

• 49:14Speaker 03

  I want to know what you're drinking.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  There's something. Yeah, there's at least some out there for sure.

• 49:18Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 49:19Speaker 05

  Can we get some?

• 49:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh, do you want some?

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I mean, if you're gonna have a glass, I'll have a glass.

• 49:22Joe Rogan?

  I'll have a sip with you.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  Just a little sip.

• 49:24Joe Rogan?

  Cut way back on my alcohol consumption.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 49:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, way, way back. I would go, every time I'd go out to dinner, I'd have a drink or two.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:32Joe Rogan?

  Every time I'd go to the club, I'd have a drink or two. And then one day I sat down, I was like, that's like four days a week, five days a week. That's like, a drink or two, five days a week. Like, how would you feel if you didn't have a drink or two, five days a week? So I didn't have any drinks for like, two weeks, and I feel a lot better.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  Really? So am I breaking your, like, streak right now?

• 49:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you would be breaking my streak.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  I don't want to fuck your streak up.

• 49:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, we don't have to drink it then, but I-

• 49:54Speaker 03

  Actually, let's break it, it'll be really fun.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't mind.

• 49:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:57Joe Rogan?

  I think the key is, like all things, it's all about moderation. But the reality of alcohol is, it's basically poison.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's got great social utility.

• 50:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  I feel like people undermine the value of alcohol, and how-

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  It ain't around for all these years, because it sucks.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  And like, if you travel- You don't get to experience certain cultures in their truest form without them consuming alcohol.

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  Like if you've gone to like Ireland, you go to Dublin, like during the day, there are very different people. And they seem kind of like tight and dour. And then at night at the pub after like a few Guinness, it seems almost cliche. But everybody's singing and dancing and there's so much like love and connectivity. And you see why all this great like literature, music and poetry just comes from this tiny little island. And you're like, oh, wow, you really need that. Like it is a tough place to live and you gotta stuff everything down and you need a release valve. Same thing with Russia, like when I was in Russia, seeing them on the drink, they're warm.

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  On the drink.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  On the drink, they're warmer, there's warmth in the culture.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  This explaining the on the drink.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  For real?

• 51:05Joe Rogan?

  We have fancy glasses.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  What do you think, Joe?

• 51:11Joe Rogan?

  Uh, which one was the one that you just touched? Grab that one, where your hand is. That's, that's who we're gonna decide. Ninety seven is a long time ago.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  How do you, how do you like, how do you find that balance where like you kind of need it?

• 51:25Joe Rogan?

  Old ass wine, huh?

• 51:28Joe Rogan?

  How do you find, um, what balance?

• 51:30Speaker 03

  Just like there, it allows people to access this part of themselves that they might feel is like a push down or.

• 51:37Joe Rogan?

  The problem is if you use it too much, right?

• 51:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:40Joe Rogan?

  And it's also the problem is like, I notice if I drink three or four nights in a week, I don't feel as good.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:46Joe Rogan?

  And when I don't drink at all for two weeks and I feel like really good all the time, like, what am I retarded?

• 51:50Speaker 03

  Why am I drinking?

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  Why would I drink?

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:52Joe Rogan?

  Like I don't need to drink to have a good time.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  But you know, when you're at the bar or at the club or other and everyone's being social and Tony's like, who wants a drink? Anybody wanna drink? And they're like, hey cheers.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:03Joe Rogan?

  It's just about discipline. It's just about like, if you feel like you're going off the rails, hit the brakes.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  Settle down.

• 52:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:10Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 52:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:12Joe Rogan?

  You gotta, but a lot of folks don't have any of that, unfortunately. And you know, they, they'll be sober for a long time and then one glass of Chardonnay later. They're doing cocaine and headed to Vegas. Lewis Friedman.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  Flying rails on a private jet.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  Who does coke and passes out?

• 52:42Joe Rogan?

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• 54:49Speaker 03

  They've become children, they're babies. They're like infants. You know, it's just completely out of control of their body.

• 54:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're not even there. Hello, look at you, out cold. It's just a weird aspect to people that we have to shut off.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:02Joe Rogan?

  That's so weird. I was just watching this video about this guy who uh he did a radio broadcast in Times Square where he stayed up for eight days.

• 55:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:15Joe Rogan?

  And this guy started having crazy hallucinations. He was having his REM sleep, his REM cycles in his brain were going off while he was awake. So he's living inside nightmares.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:28Joe Rogan?

  I'll send it to Jamie. It was crazy. I think Dunkin' sent it to me. It's really wild.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  They say that can induce insanity faster than anything, right?

• 55:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure, dude. I mean, that without a doubt.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  The sleep deprivation.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sleep deprivation is really bad for you.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  How many hours do you get a night?

• 55:46Joe Rogan?

  I try to get at least seven.

• 55:48Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 55:49Joe Rogan?

  But on good nights, I get more.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  But what if you come home late from the club? You're just...

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  When I do, if uh if it's school days especially, I get up in the morning, I say goodbye, and then I'll maybe go back to sleep for an hour.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 56:04Joe Rogan?

  So like, I'll get up with them, you know, see them off, and then I'll go back to sleep for like one more hour.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:11Joe Rogan?

  Cause I can sleep on the ground, dude. I can go to sleep on rocks. I could go to sleep. I just, I know how to pass out. So like, I could go right back to sleep and I'm good. But I like seven. But I can function on six. I had six last night.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  I had to get up in the morning for a dentist appointment. Uh but generally speaking, um

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm looking for eight.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:32Joe Rogan?

  I like eight.

• 56:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:34Joe Rogan?

  Eight's where it's at.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  I don't think I've had eight hours.

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  Salute, my brother.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  I don't think I've had eight hours since I had a kid.

• 56:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I didn't either for a while.

• 56:43Joe Rogan?

  It takes a long time. And it's also like

• 56:50Joe Rogan?

  your day is way more occupied.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  It's a completely different, like, you really realize how much your actual time working on something is precious. When you have children, because like they just go to bed, you're like, okay, I got an hour to get some shit done.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, you got one hour. You don't have an hour to flip through your phone, check out TikTok. Uh-uh. You got an hour to get something done. And then you gotta go to bed.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:15Joe Rogan?

  And then you gotta get up in the morning, you gotta get up early, you gotta help with this, help with that, we're doing this, we're doing that, we're packing our stuff in here and okay, let's go there and there's a thing after school. Remember it's at four thirty, don't be late, okay?

• 57:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:25Joe Rogan?

  Four thirty and then you gotta zoom over from here and go to the, it's like your day is so occupied, but it makes you more disciplined.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  It makes me more disciplined and it makes you feel more productive, like it's weird, like even going out and like say having some drinks or whatever and waking up and feeling kinda shitty.

• 57:40Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  Without like the kid, I kinda feel guilty by halfway through the day, I'm like, what was I doing? Ah, fuck that, I go out partying. But when I'm like up at seven and I'm fucking tired, I'm hungover and I'm with my wife and taking care of the baby, by twelve, I'm like. I'm a good fucking parent, like I, I feel like this, I feel like a positive sensation in the place of this like. Guilt ridden one that I would used to feel maybe. And I think it's that immediate productivity, that purpose, there's this human being that you love more than anything that is like deeply relying on you.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  And um, yeah, I feel, I don't know.

• 58:13Joe Rogan?

  It's also the kinda love you have with them is just. Indescribable.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  How old were you when you had your first?

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  Forty?

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm, I'm forty-one, so I was, yeah, it's the same thing, it's. It's, yeah, it's every cliche, it's amazing, you spend all this time as a, as a comedian, like thinking of unique or different angles.

• 58:32Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  And then you're presented with your child and like every feeling you have is the most cliched feeling. That everybody's ever described in having a child.

• 58:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then you don't mind when babies are crying on airplanes anymore.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  Dude, it completely.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  Changes everything.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  It is, it is adorable when they're crying on the airplane.

• 58:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  You wanna like, you almost wanna like help the mom.

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy how when you're a young man, you're like, oh my god, a baby's crying, you like look for something to cover your ears with.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  That's also a big city thing. I feel like, I feel like places that-

• 59:06Joe Rogan?

  Like country places where they're so used to-

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Where there's family dynamics and like, that's rewarded. And I grew up in the city where it just wasn't that rewarded. It's like a rare thing to even like be a kid in the city.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  Well especially, um, you be, you're a kid in the city and then you go from that to being a stand-up comedian. So you're a nighttime nightclub guy. Like the whole baby crying, like, oh, Jesus.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:31Joe Rogan?

  It's like, whoa, some bad decision making going on over there.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  But it is, I wish that, I would like us to change that a bit. I think that's the thing that's kind of missing in like this masculinity movement is fatherhood. Like I, I hear, I hear a lot of guys talking about-

• 59:45Joe Rogan?

  Is there a masculinity movement going on?

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Apparently on these pods that we do.

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is?

• 59:50Speaker 03

  We're the manosphere dude. This is where fucking men hang out.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they consider us the manosphere, honestly. I think the manosphere is like those pick-up artist type dudes.

• 59:58Speaker 03

  But that's the thing, none of those guys have kids or they talk about like what it is to be a man and it's like, buddy, like you're missing out on the most important part of the entire process.

• 1:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  Like I want to hear the guys who have a bunch of kids telling me what it is to be a man.

• 1:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Like to me, that's way more valuable and I feel like they're missing out on like the defining moment in a man's life.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Even bitches have alpha bitches. There's like a leader of the bitches.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  Oh, that's fire.

• 1:00:25Joe Rogan?

  You know, so like, they're, they're a leader of a movement, but what kind of movement you leading, bro?

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Joe Rogan?

  What kind of movement you leading?

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it is.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you go to an island full of bitches and you could become the king.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  There's gonna be somebody there.

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Just find out who that head bitch is and say, yeah, time's up.

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  And those bitches are probably easier to lead.

• 1:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, for sure. They've been, that bitch has been leading them.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, just-

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  It's like, I saw once CNN after the election, they were talking about us in specific. And they were talking about how there is this network of podcasts that are interconnected that has been financed. Like this, this huge corporate finance network of like-

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  It's called Black Rifle Coffee.

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid. No, it's it's actually just a bunch of friends, you fucking idiots. We just happen to do each other's podcast, but they're like trying to sort it out.

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  Bro, it's so funny when they try to solve the problem.

• 1:01:24Joe Rogan?

  They go on each other's shows and they're all in this together. Well, we need that on the left. Like, good luck.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  You guys cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Speaker 03

  Six by six.

• 1:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you fucking talk shit about each other for not having trans kids.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  You guys are out of your mind. You're not gonna you're not gonna sync up together. You're you're in a suicide cult.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that was the results of the election. I don't think that they would like to believe this, but it was a rejection of what was happening. I think the the assumption is everybody just loves Trump and he's just this populist and every person that voted for him is like, I just love everything about this guy. But I actually think that a lot of people were just like, I don't like what's happening now.

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  And this current administration is saying that they don't want to change much that's happening now.

• 1:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  So I'm voting against that lack of change.

• 1:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  And I think it's important for them to realize that. Like, I talk about this a lot, especially with Charlo on the pod, and it's just like, you have to be reflective, like, what the people are telling you. Like, when that the Mangione thing happened and the reaction by the people was to laugh at it.

• 1:02:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were kind of pumped.

• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  But you gotta look at that and you gotta pay very close attention to what people are feeling. Don't tell them what they should feel and you know better and, oh, we have to, you know, lead them to the water because they're too stupid to know how to find it. No, no, no. They are disillusioned by the medical system and if you don't meet them there, you're never gonna win. Ever.

• 1:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  And I feel like that's, at least from talking to Trump, that was something that I got from him is like, it doesn't seem like it when you see him on the news and shit, but he's like an acute listener. Like, he listens to what people are saying. And he listens, more importantly, what they're feeling. And he can tap into those feelings. And I think that that's what people who've had a lot of success in politics were able to do. Barack did it. Bill Clinton did it. Probably maybe the best. Bill might have been the best. His ability to communicate to people what they were feeling.

• 1:03:28Joe Rogan?

  I know you feel pain.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  I do feel pain, Bill.

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm here for you.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  You are?

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  I am.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  I would love that. You know, it was...

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna be your leader.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, uh...

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, um...

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  You need to listen.

• 1:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think what Trump's done that's really brilliant is bringing people like Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Cash Patel. Like, bringing those people and, like, you, you, you, you kind of really do get a chance to change things, like legitimately change things.

• 1:03:58Speaker 03

  But think about that decision, right? It's like, those people are all echoing sentiments that the majority of Americans feel. They're, "We do not trust the food." Here's the guy who says the food is bad.

• 1:04:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  "Maybe we should put him in control of the food."

• 1:04:14Joe Rogan?

  (laughing)

• 1:04:15Speaker 03

  Kind of like a simple thing.

• 1:04:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Instead of going, "Well, this guy is the food doctor and we're gonna hire the food doctor because he knows what food is good for you and you guys should just shut up and listen." And I feel like there's a lot of this, like, top-down on the left. And I'm not trying to just, like, bag on the left. I don't care really about that. Like, I don't even care about the politics. I care more about, like, what, where the, the cultural liquidity is. It's like, you can't talk down to people. There's this, like, Ivy League pretentiousness in the Democratic Party, I feel, where they're like, "We know better and just, you must be stupid if you don't agree with us." And it's like, "All right, well, I'm stupid. I'm dumb. I'm dumb then. So why doesn't somebody meet me where I'm stupid and start at least making me feel like

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  I'm not an asshole for the way that I, you know, for my, I guess, you could say, political leanings now?" Yeah, I feel like they need to meet. And it's a very simple thing. Make it a class issue and I think they win. And say what you want about America, but I think it's better if we have two president, or two people running for president that we're stoked about and it's a really hard decision.

• 1:05:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. That would be wonderful. Yeah, that's not what we had. We had one group of people that legitimately wanted to change things and then we're gonna see what happens if they do. But you're seeing weird stuff today that you never see before.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  What was?

• 1:05:30Joe Rogan?

  Which is like a real adjustment to the age of the internet. One of the things you're seeing is, I don't know if you saw the 22 different congresspeople who are all saying the exact same line with the word "shit" in it.

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  What was the line?

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, it's this speech. They're reading it verbatim. They're all reading it and doing it to a microphone as if it's a rant.

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 1:05:53Joe Rogan?

  But they're all doing, from the same script, and the shit ain't right.

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  So this is...

• 1:05:58Joe Rogan?

  "The shit ain't right" is the beginning of it. How mu... When, in the history of the United States?

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Politicians.

• 1:06:04Joe Rogan?

  Has a politician said shit.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  And not just one, but 22 of them in taper. Can you pull it up just so we could see it? Because it's so nuts.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  This is think tank politics.

• 1:06:14Joe Rogan?

  When you see them all together, it's just like they have it on screens as tiles and they're all saying the same words. They have their own little flair they put on it.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. Put, put your headphones on. This is fucking bananas.

• 1:06:28Joe Rogan?

  It's okay.

• 1:06:36Joe Rogan?

  You won't be able, you can't really tell. It's like a crowd. But when they had three of them, when it was the first, first three was like, it was Chuck Schumer and someone else.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47Joe Rogan?

  They, they're saying the exact, oh, Elizabeth Warren and someone else.

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:50Joe Rogan?

  They're all saying, they're saying the exact same words.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  In the exact same subjects, in the exact same order. You guys are all reading off a script and you're trying by putting the word shit in there to be authentic.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:07:02Joe Rogan?

  Shit ain't right.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  To be specifically authentic. They're like, we need to speak to working class people. To the kids.

• 1:07:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  And it, it, it is kind of like bigoted in a weird way where like, it feels like they're almost in a think tank like, hey, listen, these poor dummies, they like it when you curse.

• 1:07:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  So if you use a few curse words in your speech, they're gonna really relate to you.

• 1:07:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  And it's like, no, no, no, we actually need somebody disruptive. We need somebody on the left that is, that might speak like that, but authentically speaks like that. And is willing to disrupt even what's happening in the left. Because if you look at like what happened with the Trump and the movement, like he disrupted the right. The right looks very different now than it did five, 10 years ago, right?

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Definitely.

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  So I want like.

• 1:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Like a MAGA Democrat.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, like for real, like, and, and what is that? Like what do we at the, at our baseline want, right? We like abundance. Tell me how great America is going to be in your version of it.

• 1:07:54Joe Rogan?

  You want a Bill Clinton.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Talk that shit. Like come out talking shit. Bernie was talking shit and I want you to come out and if Trump can say, we're gonna take Greenland, there can be some den that goes, one dollar eggs. And straight up says, we're gonna subsidize it.

• 1:08:08Joe Rogan?

  How would you do that?

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  Subsidize it. Subsidize corn, you subsidize dairy, you subsidize everything. Like, why can we not subsidize it? But say something that's actually gonna impact people. Now, Trump's not gonna take Greenland. So maybe you don't get the one dollar eggs, but you get this messaging across that you're actually trying to help people. And you're gonna have to deal with those lobbies that are bankrolling you. And that might piss them the fuck off, but that's the disruption we need for you, for us to trust you.

• 1:08:31Joe Rogan?

  You know what they really should do?

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  They really should have a strategic plan. If we're spending, three, what is it, three hundred fifty billion dollars went to Ukraine? What was the number? What, what are they saying it was? I don't know what the number is. Some insane, let's say, just, let's just be conservative and say two hundred billion. Imagine if we spent two hundred billion dollars in the United States in all of the crime-ridden cities of the country. Just completely overhauling them.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  Alright, so here's my concern about that, is how much did they spend in California on homelessness?

• 1:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Twenty-four billion.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  And then like, nothing changed, right?

• 1:09:05Joe Rogan?

  No, they got worse. They did a good job.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Awesome.

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  They did a good job.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  So maybe we could, we could spend thirty-six billion, you know, like, so there's also this idea, like, the current administration in these places, even with an abundance of money is not gonna make change. So you need somebody from inside, from the left to go, hey, these people are corrupt on my team. We're gonna root out that corruption, but we are gonna take care of homelessness. We are gonna make eggs cheaper. We are gonna build fucking ten thousand affordable housing, housing units so that the price of, you know, your rent can go way down. There has to be something disruptive instead of, hey, let's just go back to normal, let's not ruffle any feathers, like.

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  I see what you're saying. I, I reject the idea, though, that, um, progress, uh, can't be had just because, uh, people have been corrupt and they've abused money before. I feel like you could farm it off to private corporations the same way we did with Halliburton during the Iraq war. What did they do with, Hall, Halliburton got no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq.

• 1:10:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  And they did it. They actually built, built all the, did the power plants they didn't need. There's like a lot of waste and weird shit that went on over there.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  You could do that with the inner cities.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  But you're.

• 1:10:13Joe Rogan?

  You could have.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  You're saying Halliburton did a good job?

• 1:10:15Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm just saying, like, they actually did get paid to rebuild cities so you can get a private sector that would, would actually make money. It would become an industry. Instead of it being bureaucracy?

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Joe Rogan?

  So you see what I'm saying? Like, instead of it being something where it's like California, they're, they're taking the homelessness. Where nothing gets done, but money keeps pumping into it.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:33Joe Rogan?

  No, the. Only way you get paid is based on results.

• 1:10:36Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:10:37Joe Rogan?

  So you have a contract with incentives based on results.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  Yes, and that is the problem. There is no-

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  You have to lower crime. You have to lower crime. You have to lower juvenile detention rates. You have to improve education scores. You have to make food, healthy food, far more accessible. It would be very easy to open up enormous food pantries in the inner city and finance it. In comparison, the amount of money we spend on other countries doing transgender monkey studies.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:08Joe Rogan?

  Or whatever the fuck we do. You know, the stuff they do is nuts, like 20 million dollars to sesame street in Iraq. Like, it's bananas.

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:15Joe Rogan?

  So, just, if you've got enough money for that, you've got enough money to set up food banks in every fucking city.

• 1:11:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:11:21Joe Rogan?

  Where poor people can get nutritious food.

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:11:23Joe Rogan?

  Just sign on, have a driver's license, whatever the fuck you need, you get your food.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  And what are the downstream effects of that? Like, you have way less health issues, which takes down the cost of healthcare.

• 1:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. Also, people aren't desperate, because you can actually always eat. You know, which is a real problem with some people in this country, right? What's this about, Jamie? What are you pulling this up for?

• 1:11:41Speaker 05

  They didn't do a very good job, apparently.

• 1:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, I'm sure they probably, well, I said they did do corruption, and there was some waste, right? Because I was talking about these power plants they built that didn't matter. But the point is, it was a business.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Joe Rogan?

  So you got businesses involved, and they, they went in and they got contracts to do things.

• 1:12:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Joe Rogan?

  If you got contracts to re-engineer these communities slowly over time.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to do it where it didn't shock the community, but slowly over time. Unfortunately, you would have to ramp up the law enforcement, because there's going to be resistance. If you're gonna go to the south side of Chicago and try to clean it up, you got gangs in there shooting each other every weekend. You got real fucking problems.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Have you, have you, um-

• 1:12:25Joe Rogan?

  But what's the alternative? Let that keep going on forever?

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  No, you can't.

• 1:12:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, so you have to rip the Band-Aid off.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Have you heard of the guy, he's the president, I think, of El Salvador?

• 1:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the guy who made all those, um, the camps?

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Joe Rogan?

  Those people?

• 1:12:38Speaker 03

  I'm sure there's tons of, I'm sure there's tons of criticism, right? 100%. But I think El Salvador has become like the safest country in Central and South America.

• 1:12:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's no criminals, we're all in jail.

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  They're all in jail, and, and I'm sure it's some like, there might even be like a little North Korea shit where it's like, "Yeah, you're not in the gang, but like your cousin is and you hang out with him and now you're in his prison."

• 1:12:56Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  Of course, but what they've done is completely like revolutionized the country. And if you ask the other people that are not gang affiliated at all, there's this like undying support, I think he has like a 91% support rating or whatever that is.

• 1:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  And it's like, these people feel like they got their lives back. Now, I'm sure as I'm saying, there's gonna be people going like, "Oh, it's, this is a civil rights violations." Yeah, yeah, you know what else is also a civil rights violation? When your like, city is completely run by a gang and you're terrified to let your kid leave the house.

• 1:13:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:24Speaker 03

  So like, there is a version where having more, uh, punitive measures for people that are breaking the law will increase safety and the prosperity of the people in that region. Like, in order to get investment into the South Side of Chicago, you need to make it safe first. Starbucks is an opening if it's getting broken into every fucking week. So, yeah, it's, um, yeah, I like that.

• 1:13:47Joe Rogan?

  I think one of the first things you would finance is community centers. You'd finance like a real great community rec center where kids, if their mom's working.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Joe Rogan?

  No one's there to take care of them. They got real good coaches there.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:01Joe Rogan?

  They got people that can set them up maybe for potential athletic scholarships. They're talented.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  Yes, it's great.

• 1:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you have people that teach you how to play music.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  That's where I went when I was a kid, you know, I went to the car.

• 1:14:11Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:50Speaker 03

  Country Recreation Center, that's where I played basketball and it was this beautiful place, this amazing oasis where like, not only you getting to play friends, you know, meet friends and stuff like that, but I'm getting to compete. I'm getting to play against guys way better than me.

• 1:16:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  And there are these, I mean, even as I say this right now, I'm like, I gotta like donate money to like, they've, they created this place where there was a lot of kids in those programs that they might've ended up doing some fucked up shit, man. And they had a place where they could go. There was like a safe haven.

• 1:16:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  And, uh, look at us talking like some libs on this pod, man.

• 1:16:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think we are liberal.

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  Of course we are. That's the biggest misconception of all of this is that we don't want this place to be better, but there have to be certain changes that we make.

• 1:16:29Joe Rogan?

  I'm socially about as liberal as it gets.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Joe Rogan?

  And I'm a firm believer in a social safety net too. I'm a firm believer in welfare and food stamps. I just think there's a way. There's a way to address the root of the problem, which is people with no hope. And you gotta, the way to do that is you gotta give them hope. You have to make it safer for them to live where they live.

• 1:16:50Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:16:50Joe Rogan?

  You have to make it healthier for them to live where they live. And then, I don't think it would cost that much to provide guidance for a bunch of kids that want guidance. And if you have good, solid role models that know how to do that kinda stuff.

• 1:17:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:02Joe Rogan?

  And they can all work together and build a program and then what if those kids wind up being like really talented musicians or really talented athletes or whatever the fuck it is?

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  What's happened at the mothership?

• 1:17:11Joe Rogan?

  How about jujitsu classes?

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  Like, like what's, what's happening there? Like, I feel like you, you've created an environment where it's like, these guys can make enough money to survive, which is a very hard thing to do as a fledgling comedian, right? And some of these guys who are door guys, they're starting to get spots around. Even, like, some of my guys, you know, like, obviously Derek Poston, is like, making real money, right? And learning how to flourish as a comedian instead of working 60 hours at a job and then doing comedy when he potentially can.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  And you hopefully get to see this artistry grow. Like, I've watched Derek explode as a fucking comedian. Like, this guy's so fucking funny.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's so lovable.

• 1:17:48Speaker 03

  It's

• 1:17:49Joe Rogan?

  He's so lovable.

• 1:17:50Speaker 03

  He's got a, he's got a Don't Tell coming out, April 16th.

• 1:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  He's a, and I've, I've watched it, it's fucking amazing, so everybody go check that out.

• 1:17:56Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  But that's the type of environment that I imagine that you can curate. Now, you're very benevolent, right? But you would hope that the government can create that same level of benevolence without leaking too much money?

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it just, it has to be done for the right reasons, the right way, with the right people. And that was what we pulled off at the mothership because I was able to get everybody from California. But also I knew that that was the formula, cuz it was kinda like the heart and soul of the store. It was like, the people that were the coolest people that were running things over there, bring them over here.

• 1:18:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Joe Rogan?

  And it was just, the whole thing was so nuts, dude. It was like the universe wanted it to happen. Every light turned green right when we got to it. Every light turned, it just, none of it makes sense on paper.

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Joe Rogan?

  If you thought about like, the idea behind dumping a ton of money in a club and your ultimate goal is to break even? Like, who the fuck, who the fuck it does that? And then, it also, you have to

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  But that's government, government shouldn't make money. So the ultimate goal should be to break even.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, you, your ultimate goal shouldn't be, everything is a money venture.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:18:59Joe Rogan?

  So the club is not a money venture.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:19:01Joe Rogan?

  The club is a artistic, it's like, I want it to be like a camp. Like camp for comics.

• 1:19:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Like you go there, you're, all your buddies are there, everybody's having a good time, we're all trading. We were all last night, me and Shane Gillis were breaking down, me and Shane Gillis did Bottom of the Barrel last night for an hour.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  Oh shit.

• 1:19:19Joe Rogan?

  We were on stage for an hour. It was the most fun I've ever had doing it. We were crying.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  Good.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Like tears rolling down my face, crying, laughing. And then we're hanging out in agreement, we're breaking down this bit. And we're coming up with new lines, this is like a laboratory, it's a hangout.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  We got, you know, fucking Gary Clark Jr.'s playing on the stereo.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's vibing, we're all laughing, Woody Harrelson's hanging out with us. We're all having such a good fucking time, man. It's like, that's what I wanted to build. I didn't want to build a business. I wasn't like, well, if I do, if I sell drinks for X amount of money and then I charge this amount for a ticket and fuck the comedians over. I do the opposite. I pay the comedians way more than everybody else pays.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  And look what happens.

• 1:20:01Joe Rogan?

  But that's, that's just to try to facilitate this artist colony. I just want it to be a place where, this is like, the mothership even has a name. Like, we came up with the mothership because the first one was the asylum. Because, uh,

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  uh, Mitzi Shore, God bless her, she, uh, always used to say, oh, the inmates are running the asylum. That was her thing. Whenever she would come to the store, she loved it that we were crazy. She loved like, you know, you know, Dom Barris, like, jumping around backstage and everybody's laughing and Joey Diaz is telling some crazy story and then Mitzi would pull up. And she'd get out of her car, oh, the inmates are running the asylum.

• 1:20:42Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, if we're gonna branch out, we should just call it the asylum, you know?

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  I like mothership.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  The mothership was better because first of all asylum was already taken. There's like a couple of different asylums, so we couldn't have asylum. And then it was like, I'm so fascinated with UFOs, I'm so obsessed with that shit anyway. Mothership is like the place where we all launch from. So when we go all throughout the rest of the country, you always come back to the mothership.

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a, like, creating environments where art flourishes is, uh... So I did Kill Tony the other day, and it's been a while since I've done like the whole show. I came out for MSG.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  That was fun.

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  That was incredible.

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  We had such a good time.

• 1:21:21Speaker 03

  Oh dude, it was great.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we had such a good time.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  Your stupid jacket, oh my god.

• 1:21:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that jacket, I had to have it.

• 1:21:25Speaker 03

  Oh, it was great.

• 1:21:26Joe Rogan?

  I knew I wanted to wear a fur jacket.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  I was like, um, I told Tony, I'm like, I'm getting a fur coat. I have to get a fur coat. I think I talked to you the day before, you're like, you getting a fur coat?

• 1:21:37Joe Rogan?

  I got it the day of the show!

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, you texted me something, you're like, yeah, I think I'll wear this.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my boy Phil found, there's this dude who's a private shopper, and he found the spot to go. He's like one of them celebrity shopper dudes.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Joe Rogan?

  And he found me the spot.

• 1:21:49Speaker 03

  So, and I was on it, and, uh, so, and I'm watching the, like, in the interviews. The interviews are really fun, like, a lot of these comics are really green, and they're going in there and trying to find something. But like, the interview portion, and I'm probably saying something that everybody already knows, but when I watch Kill Tony, I'm watching it in clip form, right, so I'm seeing like these like 60 second versions.

• 1:22:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  But, what I thought was really interesting about the interviews is, there's a real generosity with Tony, right? He's, I don't know if even the comics realize this, like, he's trying to get you to write your first good joke. He's asking you questions where you don't have to be funny, but they are funny because you're just speaking truthfully.

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:27Speaker 03

  And it is generous. It's easy to just like, you could bang on every single one of the people that go up there.

• 1:22:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:33Speaker 03

  But it's, that's not exactly what's happening. Sometimes, of course, people are gonna get jokes, but there's this moment where like, you get to watch some of these guys... Like, hopefully they're realizing, they're like, "Oh, I am, oh, that is a kind of funny thing about me." And that's like the first kernel of like where they'll write their first good joke.

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Speaker 03

  And it's a really cool thing to witness. And, uh, yeah, there's a couple of guys that went up and like, there's one guy, like, his jokes sucked, but he had something. Like, I just kept watching him.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:00Speaker 03

  And I was like, "You're gonna be good. Like, I hope you keep doing this, cuz you're gonna be good." And like, we started asking him the questions, and it was this Mexican guy from San Antonio, and he works at like Office Depot. And there was something funny about like, hold on, so like, there was like something about like, you know, he's selling like papers, and it was like, hold on, so there's like a Mexican guy, like, people are asking for paper, like, there's just like, there's all these like...

• 1:23:23Speaker 03

  Like, it seems like a setup, you know what I mean? So, but, it was just really cool to see it happen, and like, it reminded me of these early stages of comedy where you're putting together these things that you think are funny, and funny is kind of already existing in you, you know, and, um... Yeah, it was just like, it was a cool aspect of the show, and I'm sure the people that watch it, and this is massively successful show, so they're familiar. But maybe the people that don't watch it aren't, don't know about the show.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  They just think Tony's just roasting people.

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  And it's, he's, he's not, it's a very generous thing to do.

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is. Well, Tony loves comedy. And loves comedy to the point where he's always writing lines for people backstage. He's always like, giving people tags, and he's always talking about, "Did you do that bit?" Like, "Oh, I love that bit." Like, he's a super supportive

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Joe Rogan?

  with comedy. And he loves when the guys who do his show, like William Montgomery...

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  When they start to flourish.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  They start killing it on the road. He loves that. He fucking, he, he's actually put together a tour now, The Killers of Kill Tony.

• 1:24:23Speaker 03

  I've seen it, and they're doing like fucking theaters, man. They're crushing it.

• 1:24:26Joe Rogan?

  And they're killing, these guys are good, man. Ari Matty is fucking good, man. He's fucking smart, he's funny, he's super ambitious, he writes, he wants to be an American so bad.

• 1:24:36Speaker 03

  He's a fun hang. He's got great perspective on stuff also, like, yeah, he, he has some...

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  You know he's an MMA fighter.

• 1:24:43Speaker 03

  I, I remember seeing like...

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Fought three times.

• 1:24:45Speaker 03

  Wow, wow, wow. Yeah, he's a big guy, too.

• 1:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. But like, yeah, I remember, like, he even had a joke yesterday, I mean, whatever, it will come out, but like, it was funny, like, he tapped into something at the end of the bit that he did, when he does the minute, and then in the interview...

• 1:25:00Speaker 03

  It really became the thing.

• 1:25:02Joe Rogan?

  Ah, right, right, right.

• 1:25:04Speaker 03

  Because what you get to watch is like, he's like, he's a veteran comic. Like, he's probably been doing it 10 or 12 years, right? So like, you get into real comedian mode around 10, right?

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:13Speaker 03

  And you got to witness live what we do backstage. Which is like, yo, I like that idea. Why did you do this? And he said a line at the end of when we're just doing the interview that I think is gonna be what this joke builds out into. I don't wanna give it away.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:25:30Speaker 03

  But to me, like, that part of the process is so fun.

• 1:25:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  And it is, I don't know if people know this about us, like, it is really fun to like, work on someone else's bit. Like, there is, it's almost, there's almost like more freedom because you're less attached to it.

• 1:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  You know, like, if you have something and you're like, telling me the idea. Like, I'm not, you, you're attached like a direction for it. And I'm just coming from all these other places. And what if my tag bombs? It doesn't matter. It's, you're the one going to do it. But it is this exciting thing when you have a kernel. And, yeah, that, this, this moment happened with it. And you could even see him go, oh shit, that's...

• 1:26:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the next level of it, yeah.

• 1:26:04Speaker 03

  Anyway...

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they emerge, right? Those, the new chapters in your bits, your new paragraphs. They emerge. It's the best.

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  And, and for me, it's like, I need to talk to get it out. I'm not like a sit at home and like, I write the ideas. Like, I need to, I need to, yo, I got this idea, and what do you think about this? And then you have to like, give me pushback on it. And then confronting that pushback is like, where the bit develops for me.

• 1:26:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  And that, that's the beauty of like, the audience not laughing.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why you like New York City. When you moved to Miami, you were like, it's too nice down here.

• 1:26:37Speaker 03

  No, it was like, life was beautiful. Everybody was caring about family and everything. And it was just so comfortable. And I was like, I didn't have any like, resistance.

• 1:26:44Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  Like, I'm used to that chaos.

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  I, I need the opposite.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  What do you mean? Your whole life is resistance. You're in the sauna, the ice...

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  With people. People, I just, I don't, I don't wanna deal with people's bullshit. I got my own bullshit to deal with.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  That's my ice bath.

• 1:26:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  You just wanna get out there and grind it out.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  I do thirty minutes on the sixth train.

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, bro, we better have a bulletproof vest.

• 1:27:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, the, uh, anyway, to what you were saying about like, hope, that it is interesting, and I see like, I see that for comics, especially here, there's this idea of like, getting on the show and seeing a pathway to success.

• 1:27:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a real pathway. It's a real pathway to a career, and you've seen many, many, many people go through it, like Cam Patterson,

• 1:27:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:28Joe Rogan?

  David Lucas, these guys all have careers now.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, he had a funny bit too, like.

• 1:27:33Joe Rogan?

  Cam's funny, man. He's funny. I think there's a little bit of a hindrance in that one minute a week, because it's like, you spend so much time working on that one minute, that maybe you don't spend enough time tightening up

• 1:27:44Speaker 03

  So that's what I asked.

• 1:27:45Joe Rogan?

  whatever you have when you're on the road.

• 1:27:46Speaker 03

  I was like, what, you give this minute out, and it goes out to the whole comedy world?

• 1:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  And I, that's what I was asking Ari, I was like, can you still do those bits? Like, cause some of these aren't finished. They're just the fucking beginning of it.

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  Don't let those go, like.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, build on them. As long as you're building on them, as long as you got more to it, and it's better now, I think people will want it. The, I think it, also there's this understanding that those guys are on the come up, and they're, they're putting it all together. And I think there's a certain amount of times you do it where you gotta eventually leave. I say that, but then there's William Montgomery, who does it every fucking week. And William's got this style that even if his jokes suck.

• 1:28:26Speaker 03

  It's funny because they suck.

• 1:28:28Joe Rogan?

  Because he gets angry, he gets angry at himself, he gets angry at the crowd, and then he gets funny. Bro, have you been seeing Brian Holtzman lately?

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:28:38Speaker 03

  He's the sweetest guy, by the way. Shout out Brian, man.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  He is so different than his onstage monster, the onstage Brian Holtzman. He needs to name it a different thing. It's like, there's a different human that comes out when he's onstage. You would, you would think that he's a complete psychopath in real life.

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  And he's just the kindest, sweetest guy, like.

• 1:28:54Joe Rogan?

  Wonderful. I love him to death. He's all hugs and joy and smiles, and he's always helping people into a detriment. Like, one of the things about his shows, we've had to like, stop some of the people that he allows open for him.

• 1:29:07Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:29:07Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's people that haven't done comedy in forever and still know him, like, you think I could do a set? Sure. And then they eat dick for 10 minutes and the crowd gets tortured. So Adam had to put the brakes on that, but but he himself is on fire. On Shane and I were crying laughing watching his set last night. I mean crying laughing.

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  Shane's so funny. He had the he had the aux cord last night at at Mitzi's. And like, I didn't know who was putting on the music because it was just this like random collection of music. And then uh, he then this Fetty Wap song comes on, right? And I want you to be mine again, baby. And I look over at the bar and I just see him kind of mouthing it. I want you to be mine. This motherfucker got the aux.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's hilarious. He was locked in.

• 1:29:59Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we all have good green room soundtracks.

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we that's a big thing.

• 1:30:04Speaker 03

  I don't think anybody would guess your green room music. Like if they walked into your green room and they heard the music playing, there's nobody that would go, oh, yeah, Joe picked this song.

• 1:30:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  Nobody.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  It might be one or two songs that pop up.

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  90s like deep cut rap.

• 1:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  Like deep, like KRS-One or something like.

• 1:30:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Cool G rap and the brand new heavies. Yeah.

• 1:30:28Speaker 03

  I remember the first time I came down here and it was like blasting and I was like, yo, who the like, I'm looking around like, nobody's old enough to even know Cool G rap in this in this green room. And I just see you like bopping your head, getting ready to fucking go on to just.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. Death Threat with Brand New Heavies is my favorite before I go onstage song.

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  That's interesting. I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, man. You don't know? You don't know that song?

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:30:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. So the brand new heavies. And I found out about this song. I teared up when I was talking about Mitzi earlier. Still a little teary.

• 1:30:59Speaker 03

  What what were you thinking?

• 1:31:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, just just her.

• 1:31:02Speaker 03

  What was it?

• 1:31:02Joe Rogan?

  Just her saying, um, you know, all the inmates run the asylum. It just makes me cry.

• 1:31:09Speaker 03

  Why?

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Because that lady was. Like, all the shit that I do at the club, like, I learned how to do it from her.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, you learn how to, like, facilitate comedy, like, to help comedy grow. I learned it all from her.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:24Joe Rogan?

  All of it.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  It's kinda cool how people exist through us. You know, like, obviously she's passed, but...

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why the bar's named Mitzi.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the effects live on.

• 1:31:34Joe Rogan?

  I would've named the whole club Mitzies if I didn't wanna get sued by the family.

• 1:31:37Speaker 03

  They would've?

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they would've sued me. But, no, they let me actually use the name for the bar.

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh, but, and we have a picture, picture of Mitzi in the bar, too.

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  What was your guys' relationship like?

• 1:31:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, she was still lucid when I met her, you know? I met her in ninety-four, and she was, like, super supportive.

• 1:31:57Joe Rogan?

  She just, like, you know, she just knew what to do, man. Like, she knew how to set you up. And if she liked you, she would put you on after murderers.

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:07Joe Rogan?

  I had to follow Martin Lawrence in the main room for, like, fucking weeks and weeks at a time. If Martin Lawrence was gonna headline, I was gonna go on after him. So Martin Lawrence...

• 1:32:18Speaker 03

  What is the year?

• 1:32:18Joe Rogan?

  Ninety-four, ninety-five.

• 1:32:20Speaker 03

  Okay, so...

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  You gotta understand, Martin Lawrence, people forgot Martin Lawrence. Let me tell you right now, go watch You So Crazy. Martin Lawrence is...

• 1:32:28Speaker 03

  Go watch Def Comedy Jam. The greatest host of Def Comedy Jam ever.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  His timing, but his performance is when it's his hour. His timing, his energy.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  Infectious.

• 1:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he was so good. He was so good. And I used to eat shit going on after him every night. And Mitzi, no matter who was there, Dice Clay, Rogan, you're on after Dice. It's like, whoever the fuck it is, I'm going on after him. And she just knew how to throw you to the wolves, man. She knew how to, like, show you that your act is bullshit, you know?

• 1:32:59Speaker 03

  There's a couple guys, like, Etelle did that for me in, in New York. Like, I would close the Late Show at the Cellar, and Etelle would go up and then I would go up after him. And, like, that shit will turn you... Into a man.

• 1:33:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  It'll humble you.

• 1:33:14Joe Rogan?

  It'll humble you.

• 1:33:14Speaker 03

  You just realize when somebody's operating on like every single cylinder firing and you get up after it and you're like, oh wow, I'm missing something. He has something that I don't have and I need to find that shit. When you're going up in like the cushy spot, second or third and you're killing, you think you're the funniest in the world. And then when you follow somebody that like levels the room and the whole room is kind of unsure if he's just like inventing these things in the moment, if these are bits, like they just get caught up in this like tornado of creativity. And you gotta follow it. And that shit, following him, following Mike Britt, following Greer, like following these guys that are just, just like masters. Yeah, it just turns you into a man.

• 1:33:51Joe Rogan?

  That's why I started taking Joey on the road with me, because I couldn't follow him.

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, you love hard shit. You fucking love making your life difficult.

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  It's not even making your life difficult. It's realizing like you're trying to get, you're not as good as you're ever gonna get at this, right? You have to get better. How do you get better? You have to be challenged. How do you get challenged? Know that you're gonna follow Joey Diaz every night, three nights in a row, two shows on Friday, two shows on Saturdays.

• 1:34:13Speaker 03

  This is, this is, I feel like this is something that, uh,

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  there's a lot of importance to this. I don't know if comedians are doing this all the time, but like your openers that you take on the road with you, like they should really be pressing you. They should set the tone of the show and they're gonna set the expectation of the show. I think sometimes people wanna save the day.

• 1:34:34Joe Rogan?

  That's weak. That's that same bitch ass feeling, like I hope the guy after me bombs. It's the same bitch ass feeling.

• 1:34:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:41Joe Rogan?

  I want the audience to have a great fucking time.

• 1:34:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  So I want everybody to kill.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  I love when I get the message, like, or like tagged on a post on Instagram and it was like, all three of them were fucking great. And it's like, and also like, I understand what it means probably for them, because I've been in maybe that situation where you're like, holy shit, like, yeah, they're bringing me up with the show?

• 1:35:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:00Speaker 03

  And they're, they're in a tougher spot than me. You know, Derek going up hosting, people are walking into an arena.

• 1:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:35:06Speaker 03

  So to kill that, to like command attention while people are walking down an aisle.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  Derek's a perfect guy for something like that. He's got so much energy and he's so good at fucking around.

• 1:35:16Speaker 03

  And just creating an energy of fun. And Mark too is just fucking like crushing and like. Like seeing them go up there and like really lay in.

• 1:35:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:25Speaker 03

  Hearing it before I go up.

• 1:35:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  Like that's, that's the fun thing. Like I'll be locked in my room, but then when I come out like a few minutes before and just hearing them light up.

• 1:35:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. You gotta take strong eyes, man.

• 1:35:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And it's, the people have the weird fear of being eclipsed. That's the thing. It's fear of being eclipsed while you're opening act, but.

• 1:35:43Speaker 03

  You'll get better.

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Get better.

• 1:35:45Speaker 03

  You're good. Like you're headlining. Like you're clearly good at this and it's gonna make you better when these guys bust your fucking ass sometimes.

• 1:35:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe you're not working as hard as you should be working. Maybe you're not at your best.

• 1:35:56Speaker 03

  And nothing will make you work hard than being embarrassed.

• 1:35:58Joe Rogan?

  Right. Also, I don't know how you operate, but for me, I'm funnier if I'm having fun. So if I'm hanging out with, you know, Ari and Duncan and Joey and we're all doing a show together. We are laughing our fucking ass off.

• 1:36:13Speaker 03

  And that comes out on stage and you're loose and you're ready to get goofy.

• 1:36:16Joe Rogan?

  And I'm laughing at Joey before I even go on stage. I'm sitting there laughing at his act before I get up there. So I go up there, I'm already in a great fucking mood.

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Joe Rogan?

  And the audience feels like they didn't get robbed. You know, you didn't like throw some scrub up there for 20 minutes just to fill time. So you go look like a superhero.

• 1:36:33Speaker 03

  That's, yeah, it's like they're paying money, man. I.

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• 1:38:23Speaker 03

  I keep thinking about that. Like, all these people that come out to a show, it's not just the ticket price.

• 1:38:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:28Speaker 03

  It's the babysitter.

• 1:38:29Joe Rogan?

  It's everything.

• 1:38:30Speaker 03

  It's the Uber. It's the dinner. Like, this is an expensive fucking knife for them.

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  And they're looking forward to it. You might only get one date night a week, especially if you have family.

• 1:38:38Speaker 03

  Bro, I was in, uh, I was in, not Seattle, like, uh, what's the other one? In Washington, it's not Tacoma, something more inland. Forget there's a comedy club out there, Spokane, Spokane. This was years ago, and I did a show, and like, a couple came up afterwards, and they were like, uh, this is our first night out in eight years.

• 1:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:39:00Speaker 03

  And I think about that every single time before I'm on stage.

• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  That's a good thing to think about. That's a good thing to think about, yeah. Like, those people that are like, really, but you don't take things for granted, anyway. You know, some, some people get a little sloppy. You get a little loose, and you take things for granted.

• 1:39:18Speaker 03

  Uh, no, man.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  We were talking about that onstage, or in the green room the other night. Woody was backstage, like, you guys get nervous? I'm like, I get nervous for every show. If I don't get nervous, I don't do as good. I get nervous. I get nervous for everything important.

• 1:39:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Joe Rogan?

  And every show's important.

• 1:39:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's not important like my life depends on it, but it's important like, it's important to me.

• 1:39:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  It's important to the audience. Like, I wanna do it right.

• 1:39:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  So I wanna figure out what I'm working on. I wanna sit, I'm like, I gotta be loose with this, cuz this is, this thing's still in development.

• 1:39:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:46Joe Rogan?

  So let's fuck around with that a little bit, but we're gonna bring it back with this. And I'm going over my phone, I'm sitting back there before I go up there. I'm ready.

• 1:39:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, you care.

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  If you don't do that, I don't think you ever, you achieve what you're trying to achieve.

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like sometimes, uh, people be like, I don't know if they pretend to not care, or maybe like, they think not caring is cool.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what it is.

• 1:40:04Speaker 03

  Caring is, caring's cool. Like, I, I really care, I work really hard, and I, I think that you should work really hard. I wanna make really great stuff I'm proud of. And I don't wanna just be like, "Oh, it's fucking gay to care." It's like, no, it's not gay to care. It's gay, it's not gay to like, have people come out and spend a lot of money, and then you just fucking flop on stage and don't give a fuck.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  It's care to like, it's, it's cool to like, try to give them the best possible show.

• 1:40:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  That's cool. Yeah.

• 1:40:27Speaker 03

  That's cool. Yeah.

• 1:40:28Joe Rogan?

  It's just, this is a thing because you do care, so you try to pretend you don't, because the cooler people don't care. The cooler people just bomb. I remember I watched Bill Hicks bomb once, and I was so goddamn impressed. I was so, I was so impressed. First of all, he was very funny. But the stuff that he was talking about was so out there. He went on, there was this comedian, very nice guy. Um, who went on before Bill Hicks.

• 1:40:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Uh, his, his, his thing was Comic on a Harley. That was his name, like, his thing. I forget it. Larry something, Comic on a Harley. Nice guy, funny guy.

• 1:41:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  But he did like, a lot of stuff about like, Bugs Bunny smoking weed, like, real simple stuff, like, but it like, made people laugh. Cops and donuts, like, like, cliche shit.

• 1:41:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:11Joe Rogan?

  But good. Like, and, and killed. And like, just good enough for this blue collar crowd at Nick's Comedy Stop.

• 1:41:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:17Joe Rogan?

  And then Bill Hicks goes on stage, and, uh, he's smoking a cigarette, and he's, uh, talking about, uh, "I, I came here to, uh, "fill you up with ideas you couldn't possibly imagine on your own."

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  And then.

• 1:41:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, how did the Boston crowd take that?

• 1:41:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they didn't take it good at all. He, he didn't just bomb, he cleared the room. And he was doing this bit where Satan has sex with John Davidson, who was the host of That's Incredible. Like Satan is fucking John Davidson and then impregnates him. And then he shits out, I forget who he shits out, like different people at different times. But he's like, he's sitting on a toilet on stage, pretending he's sitting on a toilet, grunting. Like, ah, and then he looks up in the middle, like, people are getting up in droves, I was, nah. This generally clears the room. And it like gets right back to it. But, I mean, never lost his timing, never lost his composure.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  And it wasn't that it wasn't funny. It was, me and Fitzsimmons were in the back of the room. Me and Fitzsimmons were.

• 1:42:29Speaker 03

  You knew Greg from back in Boston?

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Greg and I started a week apart from each other.

• 1:42:33Speaker 03

  Get out of here.

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  We've been friends since we were like, I was 21, I think he was 22 or 23. Yeah. Yeah, we've been friends from the very, very beginning. Yeah. So Greg and I were both open micers at the time. And we just knew that Hicks was coming, we wanted to watch. And we sat in the back of the room, we were fucking crying, crying laughing. So there was like 50 people left, 10 comics, 40 savages, who just thought this guy was genius. And then the other 200 plus people, they all left, they all left.

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  200 is crazy to leave.

• 1:43:05Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it was a, it was a bloodbath. Like, half the crowd, more than half the crowd left. No, it was like three quarters of the crowd, probably.

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  That's a large percentage.

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  It was a large percentage, there wasn't much left, but Fitzsimmons and I fondly talk about that day, like, he never lost his cool. He almost like, he, I don't know when he knew he had pancreatic cancer, because he died a few years later. But he kind of seemed like a guy that, whatever the fear of bombing and whatever, this thing of failure, that wasn't on his mind. It didn't bother him.

• 1:43:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, but when you have limited time, that's not.

• 1:43:41Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if that's what it was? I don't know if he knew already, but he was so calm up there. You know?

• 1:43:49Speaker 03

  But funny.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Very funny. But just, he changed the way people wanted to do comedy. Cause everybody after that wanted to be profound.

• 1:43:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Nobody wanted to be profound before that.

• 1:43:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  They just wanted to get big laughs.

• 1:44:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:01Joe Rogan?

  Then all of a sudden, everybody wanted to be profound.

• 1:44:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, it was interesting. Like he became like this poet.

• 1:44:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:44:08Speaker 03

  You see trends like that pop up.

• 1:44:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:44:10Speaker 03

  Stylistically, people are so influential that like it changes the way people do their comedy. And it's tricky because like, you can only be great at the thing you do. That's how I feel at least about it.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:24Speaker 03

  If you are profound, then profound comedy is popular, then you will be really good at it. But if you're a silly goose.

• 1:44:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:30Speaker 03

  It's not worth trying to be profound.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  Because you being silly is gonna be the best version of you and the people will appreciate that the most.

• 1:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Also, you can't trick people.

• 1:44:40Speaker 03

  They know, even if they're not aware of it, they know.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  They know something's off.

• 1:44:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  Something's off.

• 1:44:45Speaker 03

  That's the honesty in it.

• 1:44:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:48Speaker 03

  There's brutal honesty in it. Like we could, and sometimes they'll even laugh, but they know that you're lying.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:55Speaker 03

  You know, like, they know that it's not real and like it exists for maybe 10, 15 minutes, but like I think it kinda gets exposed once you get into those hour long sets.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, it can for sure.

• 1:45:05Speaker 03

  You gotta be, you gotta be who you are.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah, and it has to, it has to gel together with you. You have to be into what you're doing. If you're not into what you're doing, you can't say the same words with the same inflection without the same mindset. Like if your mindset is off, they fucking know, man. It doesn't matter what your timing is. They know, they know you're not locked in, so they're not locked in. Like, how come you didn't bring me in? You know?

• 1:45:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:30Joe Rogan?

  Like when someone's killing, like last night when Holtzman was killing and me and Shane were laughing, we were locked into whatever this psychopath was talking about. He was talking about drowning people. I was like, he's so out of his fucking mind, it was so funny.

• 1:45:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:44Joe Rogan?

  It was so funny.

• 1:45:46Speaker 03

  But you give them that.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  You let them take your mind for a ride.

• 1:45:48Speaker 03

  If it's real to them. I think that's the thing about Joey that I've, I've always admired is like, it's, it's pure, it's authentic. Like you can kinda get away with whatever you want if it's pure.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:59Speaker 03

  And when we know you're faking and. And you're doing something that makes me feel uncomfortable, now I'm double uncomfortable.

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:06Speaker 03

  I can be uncomfortable if it's real to you.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:09Speaker 03

  Like, I can, I can sustain that. Like, you might be talking about some shit that makes me feel a little weird, but it's real to you, so I go, "Okay, I'm gonna rock with you on this."

• 1:46:15Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:16Speaker 03

  This is a pure version of, of your art. But yeah, you don't wanna lie to people, man.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, also, if you do it, then you're stuck. Now that's how you do art.

• 1:46:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  You lie to people.

• 1:46:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:29Joe Rogan?

  So you're always trying to, like, concoct some new fucking weird version of yourself. What's, what's, what's, what's gonna sell more? You're a pop music star now?

• 1:46:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, what he's, that's what you're like. You like doing pop music comedy.

• 1:46:46Speaker 03

  But there are, yeah, there are people that, like, get attached to what works.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:49Speaker 03

  And then they can't run away. They're, like, scared to run away from it. And I kind of have empathy for it, cuz it's like, you probably struggled for so long, you find something that works, and you're like, "Okay, finally, I'm able to make some money. Finally, I'm able to have some security." But you, you gotta keep growing past it.

• 1:47:03Joe Rogan?

  I think generally, those people are self-obsessed too, um, in a bad way. Where they're thinking about themselves and success, rather than the thing they're doing.

• 1:47:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, "What is the thing I'm doing?"

• 1:47:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  The thing I'm doing is I'm trying to create something that's good, that works. I'm trying to make it the best version of whatever fuck it is.

• 1:47:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  So, how do I do that? You can't be thinking about yourself and do that. That's why thieves can't write.

• 1:47:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Because the, the mentality of being a thief is, "I want that idea for myself."

• 1:47:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  It's not like, how does it-

• 1:47:30Speaker 03

  I wanna create. You're not addicted to creating.

• 1:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:47:33Speaker 03

  Which is, like, the coolest part about this.

• 1:47:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:47:35Speaker 03

  We get to create whatever the fuck we want. And if you get to a point, like luckily, where you get a couple bucks in the bank, those creations should be even more specific to you.

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:46Speaker 03

  Right? Cuz you're not doing it so you can buy another house, right?

• 1:47:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:47:49Speaker 03

  Like, you're doing it cuz you truly spent twenty years of your life trying to get good at something, and then you can create whatever the fuck you want.

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  And also, those, those new things, those new things that pop out, they feel like gifts from the universe. Like, a new bit that's a banger. It's like, where did this come from? This came from the universe.

• 1:48:05Speaker 03

  That shit exists before you. That's why I always try to say, like, comedy is there, and then we stumble in-

• 1:48:10Joe Rogan?

  You gotta find it.

• 1:48:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  You gotta find it.

• 1:48:11Speaker 03

  You're not, you're not making it. And when you're making it, it feels too contrived, but the comedy exists.

• 1:48:17Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I gotta pee so bad.

• 1:48:18Speaker 03

  Let's do a little pee.

• 1:48:18Joe Rogan?

  Let's pause. Pause real quick.

• 1:48:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Be right back and pee.

• 1:48:21Speaker 03

  Are we back in?

• 1:48:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're back, dog. We're back.

• 1:48:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Comedy's great.

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  Comedy's the best job on earth for us.

• 1:48:29Speaker 03

  It really is.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  For us, you know? I was trying to talk Woody into doing it last night.

• 1:48:33Speaker 03

  I mean...

• 1:48:34Joe Rogan?

  Cause he was thinking about it, cause apparently he had, I said, "I will 100% help you." He goes, "Would you really?" I go, "100%." I go, "If you wanna do comedy, I'll get you time, I'll work with you on material, I'll get guys to help you." "I'll work with you." "Look, you could totally do it." "You could do that monologue on SNL, you could do stand-up."

• 1:48:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  You could do stand-up.

• 1:48:53Speaker 03

  Brave for that monologue.

• 1:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:54Speaker 03

  He's a brave guy.

• 1:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:56Speaker 03

  Cause he has a lot to lose, perception-wise, like, maybe he doesn't care. But that's where bravery comes in, like, when you got nothing to lose, it's like, yeah, you can kinda say whatever the fuck you want, it doesn't really matter.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  He's kinda grandfathered in.

• 1:49:08Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  He's Woody Harrelson.

• 1:49:10Speaker 03

  But you don't think it could affect him at all?

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it could, but I don't think anymore. I think the world's kinda woken up, the fact that, first of all, he's accurate. Like, you really can't attack what he's saying.

• 1:49:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  You know, so like, you don't think he should be saying it? Okay, well, that's kind of debatable, and that's on you.

• 1:49:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:28Joe Rogan?

  I think you can say whatever the fuck he wants in that regard, you know?

• 1:49:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's like, at this point, it's like, who doesn't think he's accurate?

• 1:49:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're in denial if you don't think he's accurate. This is a problem that Democrats have right now.

• 1:49:41Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 1:49:41Joe Rogan?

  Is that the Trump administration, what they're uncovering with Doge, like, all this waste, fraud, and abuse, whatever, whatever you wanna categorize it as, and I'm sure there's a bunch of things that fall into different categories.

• 1:49:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:53Joe Rogan?

  But, um, the Democrats aren't acknowledging that it's a problem at all. They're not saying, "When you find this building in San Antonio that they spent $2 billion on, and it's completely empty, and it's getting, you know, a million dollars a month, or whatever the fuck it's getting, and where's that money going?"

• 1:50:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, the tricky thing about this, um, the Doge thing is like,

• 1:50:14Speaker 03

  like, I don't think there's any American out there that is supportive of waste, fraud, and corruption. It should be a bipartisan issue, right?

• 1:50:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:24Speaker 03

  Like, it's a very easy thing to get on board with.

• 1:50:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:27Speaker 03

  And this is where I feel like... I feel like Elon's being a little antagonistic. I have a lot of respect for Elon, don't get me wrong, but like, it's becoming easier to be a bipartisan issue in the way that it's communicated. Whereas like, having that like, political decorum, like, having that ability to pull everybody into this thing, might be a little bit more effective on an issue that we can all get behind. There's no American that wants waste, fraud, and corruption. I hate that this is becoming bipartisan. It drives me fucking crazy, because on the surface, nobody wants the waste.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:02Speaker 03

  Like, both, Democrats should be, this shouldn't be, they shouldn't be booing or whatever the fuck was happening at that like, uh, hearing last night, even hearing, he was like addressing the Senate. This shouldn't be, it should be everybody going, "Hey, we agree, this is fucked up. This is happening in some of our, um, regions or whatever it is, like, where you're responsible for those constituents, what's that called? Your, if you're a congressman, your, your district. We need to be better about this. We need to fix this. We gotta take this on the chin, and we agree. And it could be this great revolution in America that could really support everybody. And it's become this fucking bipartisan issue. I understand there's like a lot of currency and like, making the opposition look radioactive, I get that.

• 1:51:42Speaker 03

  But, this is where you wish that there was like, this, uh, some sort of masterful communication version of this, instead of a little bit more of like this, like, putting the knife in and twisting it a little.

• 1:51:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, I agree. I agree on both sides. I think, um, that people are really foolish, spending all their time just attacking the ideas of the other party, instead of promoting really good ideas of your own.

• 1:52:06Speaker 03

  Amen.

• 1:52:06Joe Rogan?

  And, um, the thing about this whole Doge thing is it's such a lightning rod, and one of the reasons why it's such a lightning rod is because these politicians are being pressured to try to keep a lot of this spending. Because a lot of the spending is, it's all shenanigans. It's moving around to thousands of different NGOs and you're talking about billions and billions and billions of dollars that were going somewhere, so people were profiting, people were, people had jobs, and they want to keep all those jobs, they want to keep that money flowing in, even the bullshit money as much as they can. So there's fucking court orders, and there's lawsuits, and there's, the Supreme Court just, uh, stopped a 1.9 billion dollar freeze on something, or something that just came up, it was today. So there's like, legal battles about all this stuff.

• 1:52:52Joe Rogan?

  You're going to have a lot of confusion in that regard. But I think it's important. One of the things they're doing is they're highlighting the ridiculous things. Like they're highlighting the 250 million dollars on transgender animal studies.

• 1:53:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  4.7 trillion that they can't account for.

• 1:53:09Speaker 03

  The way that he was saying it, did you watch it? I mean, it's hilarious. Oh, you gotta watch him talk about it.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it's amazing and I will. I will watch. I just didn't have, I was busy last night. But it's like, there's, there's also a way to, um, to really clearly express to people that there's legitimate use for aid. And this isn't really US aid. It's United States Agency for International Development. If you're worried about foreign aid, I fully, completely agree. We should spend money in third world countries, building wells. We should spend money trying to get food to poor people.

• 1:53:46Speaker 03

  And that's not what this program is designed to do.

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's not what this is about. And if it's about like.

• 1:53:50Speaker 03

  This is exercising soft power.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Healthcare for people and, and providing free clinics for people in impoverished areas. Yeah, we should spend on that. But also, that's not where this money's going. A lot of this is regime overthrowing money. This is regime change money. A lot of this is like money that's being propped up. They're sending money to the Taliban every fucking week.

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:54:09Joe Rogan?

  Like this is crazy. Like you have to understand what this really is. So what we have to do, I think, as Americans is, look, you got a president. He's your president, whether you like it or not, that's your president for four years. Let's hope he does a great job.

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't you want him to do the great job? He's the captain of the ship and I want to hit the rocks.

• 1:54:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Let's hope he gets us into a beautiful harbor.

• 1:54:29Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  So together, that doesn't mean the Democrats can't win in four years. But you can't win doing this. You can't win all saying, this shit ain't right. And then all of you say the exact same thing. Well, now I know who's on the take. Now I know who's got the script. Now I know who doesn't have a fucking mind of their own. You have to read the script that whatever corporate daddy filed onto your desk.

• 1:54:51Speaker 03

  It's think tank politics.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  They need a real leader and those real leaders are all pussy hounds and they're all gonna, that's the problem.

• 1:55:01Joe Rogan?

  They all got skeletons.

• 1:55:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's gotta come from outside. Yeah, I wonder like-

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  Or they gotta be a guy like Trump who could take the hits.

• 1:55:09Speaker 03

  That's and-

• 1:55:10Joe Rogan?

  And, and keep on truckin'.

• 1:55:11Speaker 03

  You need to have like a very strong constitution to do that.

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand his constitution.

• 1:55:16Speaker 03

  What do you mean? You go through the same shit.

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but his is beyond. They shot him, dude.

• 1:55:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, they haven't shot you yet.

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  Not only did they shoot him- Yet.

• 1:55:24Speaker 03

  You perform inside. That's the problem.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  That's part of the problem.

• 1:55:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:28Joe Rogan?

  Uh, but not only did they shoot him, but, um, people forgot about it in two weeks.

• 1:55:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  And to this day-

• 1:55:34Speaker 03

  Moving right along. He didn't get shot enough.

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  To this day-

• 1:55:37Speaker 03

  Like people were talking about his ear. They're like, "Oh, but it doesn't look that shot." And it's like-

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  There's so many people that think that he rigged it, that he did it on purpose. That he staged it.

• 1:55:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, he staged a bullet coming-

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  Nicking his ear. Like, they don't understand accuracy.

• 1:55:51Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 1:55:51Joe Rogan?

  Especially with iron sights. You know, he didn't even have a scope on the rifle.

• 1:55:56Speaker 03

  So-

• 1:55:57Joe Rogan?

  Iron, do you know what iron sights are?

• 1:55:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So like, say if you have a pistol.

• 1:56:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  And the back of the pistol, where the handle is-

• 1:56:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:03Joe Rogan?

  There's these-

• 1:56:03Speaker 03

  Oh, the little thing that you're supposed to look through, yeah.

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  And then there's a little post at the front, and you line the two of them up like that.

• 1:56:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  And he's shooting 140 yards with iron sights. Like, you can't just nick someone's ear.

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  You'll hit their fucking head. You'll blow their brains out accidentally.

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  How much do you have to account for gravity at that distance?

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  You don't. You don't. That's really short. It's a short distance. That's why you can like, put the post on it. If you wanted to go long distance, then you would want a scope. You want a high-powered scope, and you would also use ballistic software.

• 1:56:33Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  Ballistic software is like, you would apply, like, there, there's like a watch that has it built in, actually. The Garmin Tactics X.

• 1:56:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  Tactics 8, rather.

• 1:56:43Speaker 03

  Shout out Garmin.

• 1:56:43Joe Rogan?

  So you, um, you would take this ballistic software, you calculate the distance, so there's a, you would use a rangefinder, the ra, which he had, by the way. He had a fucking ra, he was walking around with a rangefinder before the, they saw him with a rangefinder. They didn't even arrest him. Somebody let him on that roof. They fucking gave him that gun, that's what I think. Um, the rangefinder would say, "Oh, 500 yards." So then you would set your sight for 500 yards.

• 1:57:09Speaker 03

  And then it adjusts accordingly when you're looking, yeah, yeah.

• 1:57:11Joe Rogan?

  So your, your, your, um, your application with some scopes, you can actually sync up your scope with your app, so it'll put the reticle, it'll put the crosshairs exactly where you need to aim.

• 1:57:25Speaker 03

  For the bullet to drop.

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:57:28Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  So the reticle, the X would move up and down.

• 1:57:33Speaker 03

  Accordingly, yeah.

• 1:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:57:34Speaker 03

  But at that distance, you're saying that there isn't too much.

• 1:57:36Joe Rogan?

  No, there's no, and he's also elevated. It's a straight shot. It's a pre, I mean, maybe a very slight drop because it's only like a millisecond before it hits him. It's a very slight drop at that. But when you get to like significant distances, like 400 yards, 500 yards, it's a factor.

• 1:57:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:53Joe Rogan?

  Like you hold high, like say if you have.

• 1:57:55Speaker 03

  What does that mean, hold high?

• 1:57:56Joe Rogan?

  So if you're zeroed, say if I'm shooting a deer and my rifle's zeroed at 100 yards, that means at 100 yards, it shoots exactly where that crosshairs is. But, but the deer is 300 yards, I'll hold at the top of his back.

• 1:58:09Speaker 03

  Because you know it's gonna come down.

• 1:58:10Joe Rogan?

  I know it's gonna drop.

• 1:58:11Speaker 03

  This is with bows or this is with bows?

• 1:58:13Joe Rogan?

  No, this is with a rifle.

• 1:58:13Speaker 03

  And then with bows, I'd imagine it's even more.

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  With bows, it's, you have to be very, very sure because there's so much drop. There's so much drop.

• 1:58:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's so much drop. Like I have, um, um, a rangefinder. It's not just a rangefinder. It's called a full draw, so loophole full draw five. And what it does is, it doesn't just put the reticle and tell me the exact distance. It says, I'm not aiming with this. This is just giving me the distance, but it also shows me a line where the peak of the arrow height is. Because the arrow arcs, right?

• 1:58:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:47Joe Rogan?

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• 2:00:15Joe Rogan?

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• 2:01:00Joe Rogan?

  was for under armor back when he was with under armor and I had to shoot this elk through trees I threw shot it through like it's a video you can see the arrow go right through this it's a month about probably the one of the beautiful shots I've ever made and I made it on camera because I was kind of freaking out I gotta have a hunt on camera like hunting is a big thing for a celebrity to be doing your hunting but you're also gonna hunt on camera and you're gonna hunt on camera with a bow and arrow so I was like super locked in and it was just it was perfect it was just magical how that arrow went right through this gap just thread the needle line right in the heart it was perfect it was perfect shot like exactly where you're wrong right behind the shoulder right up here it was like double lungs in the top of the heart

• 2:01:45Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:01:47Speaker 03

  And then you gotta carry that bitch.

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you gotta chop it up first. You're not carrying it.

• 2:01:51Speaker 03

  That's the thing, that's the thing that like I never accounted for. I was watching, I don't know if it was some video you posted, or maybe it was Cam. But like, I always thought about the hunting part. Like, okay, let's find it, let's track it, let's shoot it. But I never thought about getting home with all the meat.

• 2:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man.

• 2:02:07Speaker 03

  That seems so.

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  It's very hard.

• 2:02:10Speaker 03

  Brutal.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  And what, what we do is way easier than what some guys do. Some guys do public land, solo, backpack elk hunting.

• 2:02:21Speaker 03

  So they're throwing the shit in the backpack.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  They have a pack, so they'll take like a pack, like, uh, great pack is like Exo Mountain Gear, it's a great company that makes packs. And they have different frames based on your height. It's all made to, so you can carry a lot of weight on your body. A lot of it sits on your hips.

• 2:02:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:38Joe Rogan?

  And it's all like, like engineered.

• 2:02:40Speaker 03

  Oh, displaces the weight, so you're not just getting dragged down.

• 2:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's genius, and if you, pull up like Exo Mountain Gear, uh, backpacks. Like, they have specific packs that are designed so you can carry a hundred pounds on your back.

• 2:02:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, as comfortably as you can. But it's fucking brutal. So these guys might hike in. I'm not, no bullshit.

• 2:03:01Speaker 03

  Miles, right?

• 2:03:02Joe Rogan?

  So, so that's what it looks like. So see all these packs? So, get the picture of those guys when they have it on their back, Jamie, the one above that? Yeah, that one right there. So that's what it would look like for two dudes who are carrying their whole camp on their back. So they probably have their tent in there, they have their sleeping bag in there, they have food in there for a week. Like, you, you got freeze dried food, generally speaking. Guys bring like, mount, like,

• 2:03:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of different meals, like Mountain Ops, or not, not Mountain Ops. Like, there's a bunch of different companies that sell. So like, this is a guy like carrying an elk quarter on his back. That motherfucker probably has a hundred pounds on his back right now. Because he has his bag and his pack, which is probably fifty pounds, and then he has a giant ass elk leg on his back.

• 2:03:42Speaker 03

  Alright, so is there ever like a distance that they deem too far because walking back with the elk, it wouldn't be worth it? So like, I imagine you're tracking for a while. It's not like you just walk in and there are all the elks, right? You have to find them.

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you can get lucky and find them a couple of miles in and that's, that's pretty nice.

• 2:03:58Speaker 03

  But is there a point where you go, "I'm not going more than five because five back carrying the elk would be too difficult?"

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some guys do that, but some guys are hard fucking horrible. Like, they'll kill an elk 25 miles in and spend three days bringing it back.

• 2:04:11Speaker 03

  So, and now you have elk carcass.

• 2:04:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:15Speaker 03

  You have all the other animals that also like to dine on elk.

• 2:04:18Joe Rogan?

  You string it up in a tree.

• 2:04:19Speaker 03

  Got it. So getting it, it's like, oh, what is that, Old Man in the Sea? Is that the book? Where like he, he gets the, he finally hunts and gets this big fish, but he's gotta bring it back. And by the time he brings it back, it's just like a skeleton. Nobody believes he got this amazing big fish.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:04:33Speaker 03

  But like, I can't, like, you don't ever think about the journey back.

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:37Speaker 03

  That seems almost more stressful.

• 2:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, the, the right, the best way to do it, the back country, if you have the money, is horses. They, they have horses take you back there. And the, the horses will pat, or mules.

• 2:04:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, so you can pack them up with it.

• 2:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they, they'll keep your camp on their back.

• 2:04:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:54Joe Rogan?

  And you, you'll have like several, like a train of them.

• 2:04:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:57Joe Rogan?

  And then you could load them up with like elk quarters and, and then take them back. And for them, it ain't shit.

• 2:05:01Speaker 03

  It's thousands of pounds, right? Like?

• 2:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not really.

• 2:05:04Speaker 03

  How much is an elk?

• 2:05:05Joe Rogan?

  It's about 400 pounds of meat.

• 2:05:09Speaker 03

  Oh, because you're leaving the bones and everything. So you skin it, you cut it up, and then, yeah, yeah. But you gotta take some of the bones. Like, you want a rib, right? Like, there's, if you're cooking these things.

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  Most guys like, most guys cut the rib meat out, out of the ribs, and you grind it, make hamburger, or, you know, chili out of it, or things like that.

• 2:05:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Cam, he, he like makes strips and then chops those strips up. Like, you can, there's a lot of different things you could do with, uh, with rib meat. It's pretty tender. It's good. It's real good when you cook them like slow over a fire, though. It's like, it's not the most tender meat. Like, when, slow over, when you cook them over a fire, it can get pretty tough unless you do it like real low and slow, like smoking it almost, like they would do in barbecue.

• 2:05:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  But, um, it makes great hamburger. But like the real, the, the, the, what everybody really loves is like the backstrap. That's that, that's like essentially that'd be like the filet mignon, the tenderloin. And then, and then the quarters, you make great steaks and you can make.

• 2:06:09Speaker 03

  What do these guys do when they age out of this?

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Like hunting?

• 2:06:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  You try not to, keep working out.

• 2:06:17Speaker 03

  But like, like an NBA player eventually reaches the end of his professional playing ability. He might play in a gym, but like what, what does a cam do at like 75?

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  He'll still be bow hunting at 75, a hundred percent.

• 2:06:28Speaker 03

  But hunt a different thing?

• 2:06:29Joe Rogan?

  No. No, he'll be doing the same thing.

• 2:06:31Speaker 03

  There's physical limitations, I imagine.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  There are, but not as much anymore. Not, not with like hormone replacement and weightlifting and.

• 2:06:40Speaker 03

  Got it, got it.

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  You, you know, like guys like me didn't exist 30 years ago. Like 57 year old jack dudes.

• 2:06:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  They didn't exist.

• 2:06:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:49Joe Rogan?

  By the time you get 57, all that shit's gone.

• 2:06:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  And all that shit goes away. I still have 30 year old arms. They're still legit. They work, they work real good. Everything works real good. But you have to, you know, maintain yourself, take care of yourself. And if there's something like that that you care about, you know, like I have a friend, Brendan Burns. He runs Kuyu. It's like a huge outdoor clothing company. He's a hardcore bow hunter.

• 2:07:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:18Joe Rogan?

  One of the best bow hunters in the world. Was a big time college wrestler, like a great athlete.

• 2:07:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Won't even try jujitsu because he just want to hurt himself for hunting. Like hunting is so important to him. He's like, I'm not skiing, I'm not fucking around, fuck that.

• 2:07:31Speaker 03

  I feel like that's my whole workout regimen is just so I could play this sport called paddle. It's not pickleball, it's called paddle.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  What is this, what is this?

• 2:07:39Speaker 03

  It's a racket sport that I'm absolutely obsessed with, I swear to God. It started in Acapulco, Mexico, and then it goes to Spain and it gets blown, blown up there. And it's essentially like squash and tennis mixed together. So there's, there's, there's walls, there's like this glass wall in the back and these like fences on the side.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  Have you heard of this, Jamie?

• 2:07:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, we played. I dragged him out. Bro, it is, it is the most obsessed. It's the fastest growing sport in the world right now. It will take over tennis.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  Are you a spokesperson for paddle?

• 2:08:05Speaker 03

  I probably am the only person that is talking about it at this level. Look at you! Yeah, this is, this is, shout out Paddle House in New York. They got one in Williamsburg and one in Brooklyn.

• 2:08:14Joe Rogan?

  And this is the game?

• 2:08:15Speaker 03

  This is the game. I'm so bad. It's unbelievable. So you play with a deflated tennis ball. So, what, essentially what it is, you gotta show highlights because I'm so fucking horrible that it's not gonna do it justice. But, the idea behind it is, at least for me, is, there's always hope. So the ball gets past you in tennis, you're cooked. The ball gets past you in paddle, it bounces off that back wall and you're playing it off the back wall. So you're never fully out of the game.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 2:08:41Speaker 03

  And, you're constantly, it's, my, it is the only thing outside of like surfing and boxing and then comedy where I'm not, look at this.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:08:50Speaker 03

  It is...

• 2:08:51Joe Rogan?

  That guy went out the door.

• 2:08:52Speaker 03

  Oh, you're allowed to leave and go get it. Yeah, I mean, it's just, dude, I was down in Miami, there's a thing called the Reserve Cup. Shout out Reserve also.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  How do I not know about this?

• 2:09:01Speaker 03

  This is the, I'm telling you, this will extend my life by, God bless, 10, 20 years.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:09:06Speaker 03

  Also, you gotta watch the chicks play because they don't have the power to smack it out, so it's just pure skill and...

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  And cleverness?

• 2:09:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Everything is placement. It's delicate placement. So, what they're trying to do is, I'm telling you, it's unbelievable and everybody that's playing tennis and squash and all these other racket sports is starting to convert to this.

• 2:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:09:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:09:26Joe Rogan?

  Tennis?

• 2:09:27Speaker 03

  Everybody from tennis is coming over. Now, I'm talking about professionals, I'm talking about like people that played like in college or whatever.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:09:33Speaker 03

  And now they're starting to come over to this. Like Miami, they're obsessed. In Europe, they're completely obsessed. Like, you go to like Sweden, there's like thousands. Like all, like Cristiano Ronaldo and all the soccer guys are all playing it. They own the facilities.

• 2:09:44Joe Rogan?

  How the fuck am I just finding out about this for the first time?

• 2:09:47Speaker 03

  You guys got one here. What's it called? They just built one?

• 2:09:49Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, it's a paddle club, Austin or something.

• 2:09:52Speaker 03

  Something like that. But it's just, it is... I'm upset.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's just never ending.

• 2:09:57Speaker 03

  Dude, I take lessons.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  This guy just ran outside the arena.

• 2:10:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:00Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy.

• 2:10:02Speaker 03

  But the fact that there's hope, the fact is like, it's not just brute strength. There's that little guy that was playing on the right, right there, Chingotto, is this guy's like five foot three. And he's so skilled. And since it's not, uh, he's not in this court, but, uh, that, that guy Tapia is the best in the world.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  You know all the players?

• 2:10:19Speaker 03

  I'm obsessed with this in the way that you're obsessed with jujitsu.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  I can't believe I'm just finding out about this right now.

• 2:10:26Speaker 03

  I play with the, I got to play with some of these guys.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:10:28Speaker 03

  And they toy with me. Like they'll just bring me up to the net on drop shots and then bring me back to the end and I'm just running around like a little bitch. But it's like, these guys to me are like, uh, Michael Jordan or like LeBron James. Like I, I get like giddy around them. I'm so excited. And like, I'm telling you, I, I, I'm taking lessons once a week. Shout out my boy Lucho in New York, the best fucking instructor on the planet right now. He works at Paddle House, is incredible.

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow, you're taking lessons?

• 2:10:54Speaker 03

  I'm playing three or four times a week. It's like everything.

• 2:10:56Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:10:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is, my whole workout regimen is built around making sure that my shoulder is okay so I can play.

• 2:11:04Speaker 03

  Entire dedication to this. The only thing I've been obsessed like with this about is, is standup comedy.

• 2:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  It's the only thing. And I have no racket sport background. I never played tennis growing up. Like I grew up in the city, went to public school.

• 2:11:15Joe Rogan?

  It does look fun.

• 2:11:16Speaker 03

  Dude, it's, look at, and look at, it's still.

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  I can't believe you can run outside.

• 2:11:19Speaker 03

  It's just.

• 2:11:20Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy that you run outside.

• 2:11:23Speaker 03

  The point isn't over. You know what I mean? There's always hope. Like, and that's the beauty of like, you're like a really competitive person. When you play against someone who's got more strength than you, even like when I would like box and shit like that, like, somebody who was just bad, like he was, eventually if they can connect, it's over. And like even in this, in power, you can mitigate their power. You can move them around the court. There are guys that are way better than me at tennis squash and all these other things. But strategically in this game. If you don't hit it out, I got a chance.

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:11:52Speaker 03

  And it's just...

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  You should do commentary.

• 2:11:54Speaker 03

  Dude, I was telling the guys, I literally told the guys, dude, I was telling Wayne, who owns Reserve, man, shout out Wayne. And I was like, I know you have your guys doing it, but like, dude, I am obsessed with this like Joe is with, with, uh, with the UFC and MMA. Like, you don't need to pay me. Like, I just want to talk about the sport. Like, I want to build this fucking thing up. How do we build this thing up?

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:12:14Speaker 03

  And, um, I literally thought about you.

• 2:12:16Joe Rogan?

  I've never seen you like this before.

• 2:12:17Speaker 03

  Bro, I get excited. Dude, it drives my wife crazy. Like, I go to fucking brunch on a Sunday, and me and my boy Jason are just talking about our paddle games this week.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no!

• 2:12:25Speaker 03

  Dude, it's, my boy Jason just hit me up and he's like, "Listen, I know you got the special and everything going on, but my calf is feeling better, so we got a game Wednesday." And I'm like, "Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready." I'm, I...

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:12:37Speaker 03

  It's, it's just the coolest thing.

• 2:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:12:38Speaker 03

  I know you don't fuck with team sports, but this is...

• 2:12:41Joe Rogan?

  It looks fun. It definitely looks fun.

• 2:12:43Speaker 03

  It's great. It's great.

• 2:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:45Speaker 03

  Jamie's a little sneaky athlete.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jamie's a good basketball player. You see Jamie sink threes.

• 2:12:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, he's sneaky. We had a little fun.

• 2:12:53Joe Rogan?

  You see him play golf. He's a motherfucker with the drive. He's got that simulator in the back.

• 2:12:59Speaker 03

  Oh, in your house?

• 2:13:00Joe Rogan?

  What's the furthest...

• 2:13:01Speaker 03

  Right here. Right here. We have it in the garage. What's the furthest you ever whacked one of those on that?

• 2:13:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know. Far. 300 yards, whatever.

• 2:13:08Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. You're like a legit...

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Dude, his swing is legit. You should have seen Brian Callen trying to swing after Jamie. It was comical, because I'm behind him talking mad shit.

• 2:13:22Speaker 03

  I just, I just know how much...

• 2:13:24Joe Rogan?

  You ain't gonna beat Jamie, bitch.

• 2:13:25Speaker 03

  Bro, the, the joy that must have come to you watching Jamie smoke Callen.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was so much fun. It was so much fun.

• 2:13:33Speaker 03

  Anyway, yeah, it's just, I'm so obsessed with it, like...

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  That's incredible.

• 2:13:37Speaker 03

  Even now, like, just the idea that paddle is spoken about on the Rogan podcast is just crazy.

• 2:13:42Joe Rogan?

  How about you told me about it? I never even knew it was a thing. If someone brought it up to me, I'd be like, "That's bullshit. That's not real."

• 2:13:47Speaker 03

  Dude, it is real, and these guys are starting to make money now. Like, the pro, the top guys are starting to make, like, you know, decent amount of money.

• 2:13:53Joe Rogan?

  That looks like ESPN for sure. Like, that looks like something...

• 2:13:56Speaker 03

  Oh, look, I had Kamaru there.

• 2:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh! Doesn't Kamaru have really fucked up knees? Don't ruin his knees, bro.

• 2:14:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, but he played pickleball because he's down there in Miami.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  His knees are so fucked up.

• 2:14:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, uh.

• 2:14:09Joe Rogan?

  I hope that, um, if, if stem cell technology advances, if they, you know, the FDA finally allows people to have the same kind of stem cells in America that they do in Colombia and Mexico.

• 2:14:22Speaker 03

  Norway or Sweden? Where's like the, where's like the other place that they do it?

• 2:14:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:14:26Speaker 03

  If you want to get some bougie, if you want the white stem cells.

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Um, I mean.

• 2:14:32Speaker 03

  It's like Norway that they're harvesting them.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, the places that I know of are, the big one is the CPI in Tijuana. That's one of the best in the world.

• 2:14:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  And that place is, uh, they have a partnership with the UFC. They send a lot of the athletes down there. And there's another place in Colombia, Bio Accelerator.

• 2:14:46Speaker 03

  There's an island in the Caribbean that they do it too, that they're like, bring a, they bring the, they like fly in the medical office essentially for the week or two week periods.

• 2:14:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:14:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then they have like stem cells that have been harvested in someplace and my neighbor, my neighbor did that. So I forget which island it is, but.

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's Panama too. Neil Reardon, Dr. Neil Reardon, who's really, he's written so many books and papers on the benefits of stem cells. I've done a shitload of them, yeah.

• 2:15:14Speaker 03

  And, and what is the like immediate impact?

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it heals soft tissue way better than anything else that I've ever used before.

• 2:15:22Speaker 03

  So like what, for example, what injury did you have that you felt?

• 2:15:25Joe Rogan?

  The biggest one, I've talked about it before, I apologize if you've heard this before, people. I had a rotator cuff tear, a full length rotator cuff tear. And went to a doctor, went to, uh, the UFC's doctor. Uh, they sent me to orthopedic surgeon. He looks at my MRI. You can't believe I can do anything. He says, I can't believe you can do anything with this shoulder. Like this is, you, you have a full length rotator cuff tear. But he does all the stuff with me, like push down, push up. And he goes like, you're pretty functional. He, you know, he goes, I think it's probably because you have a lot of muscle around the joint, but he goes, but you're going to need surgery. He goes, you could try to rehab it, but you're going to need surgery. I go, really? Going to need surgery? He goes, yeah. I go, am I ruining my shoulder by not having surgery? He's like, potentially. He's like, you know, try your best rehab, put it off as much as you want, but you're gonna need surgery. So then I go to Dr.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  Roddy McGee in Vegas. And this was years ago. He's doing stem cells with the UFC athletes. He's a bunch of different people. He's like, well, we could try it. And I think the stem cells I got them actually aren't even available anymore because they were too good. So they injected in my shoulder and then after a couple of weeks, it feels pretty fucking good. And then I rehab it. I'm doing like bands and all sorts of different stuff. I get it to the point where it starts feeling good. I start light, like light kettlebells, feeling pretty good. I go back to him six months later, he does an MRI. He says, this is the most astounding thing I've ever seen in all my years of being an orthopedic surgeon. He goes, the tear is gone. Like you just wrote this full-length rotator cuff tear that was gonna need surgery, doesn't exist anymore.

• 2:16:55Joe Rogan?

  Like when I say like my shoulder is better, I mean, it doesn't bother me at all. Like at all. I do everything. I hit the bag. I do kettlebells with 70 pounds. I do swings and curls and cleans and presses. Zero pain. Not a, not a, not a one thing like, man, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. It like feels 100% normal.

• 2:17:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  And all stem cells. Like I should, I could've got cut with a sling.

• 2:17:25Speaker 03

  And then you're done.

• 2:17:26Joe Rogan?

  Didn't do any of that.

• 2:17:27Speaker 03

  There's a, I have a shoulder, a little bit of a shoulder issue, actually. I'm curious if the stem cells.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  100%. I'll bring you to Ways to Well, that's in Austin. Listen, man, they've, they've healed so many people that I'm friends with.

• 2:17:38Speaker 03

  I had a scapular, like minimal scapular movement. I think that was the issue. So I was making up for the fact that my scapula doesn't move that much with just stretching out the muscles around it. Does that make sense? So like you, I guess that, the scapula is this bone here?

• 2:17:53Joe Rogan?

  The scapula is that, the one that kinda like hangs off.

• 2:17:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. And like that's supposed to move up with your arm when you extend it. And it was staying there, but I was still moving my arm. So I'm stretching all, I guess, the muscles or tendons or whatever.

• 2:18:07Joe Rogan?

  What did happen to your scapula that made it freeze like that?

• 2:18:09Speaker 03

  I don't know. Like some, I was told that I might have like a small tear in the rotator cuff.

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  Do you hang? Do you ever? Hang from your hands?

• 2:18:15Speaker 03

  I mean, I would do, I do like pull-ups as part of like a, my, you know, exercise routine when I'm doing any upper body.

• 2:18:20Joe Rogan?

  Pull-ups are great exercise, but hanging is great for shoulder health. So what I do every day, uh, for at least a minute, um, usually more, I usually do like a couple of sets of hangs before I do anything. But I'll do my warm-ups with like push-ups and bodyweight squats. And then what I do is I chalk up my hands and I grab a hold of the bar and I just hang. And I just try, and I feel my back popping, like it decompresses your back. Because your spine, like the weight of your hips and your legs is pulling on your spine for the first time. Normally, life is pushing down on you.

• 2:18:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:18:56Joe Rogan?

  Weight of your body's pushing down.

• 2:18:57Speaker 03

  Wow, and now you're using gravity to pull it all out.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes, so I do that, I hang that way, and then I also do that Dex. We have a, a machine out there. Teeter, the company that makes those things where you hang by your ankles.

• 2:19:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've seen it.

• 2:19:09Joe Rogan?

  They have a, a great one where you, it's called the Dex. I like it better than the ankle one, where you, you hinge at the hips and you fall forward and then you just, it's basically like your lower body and your hips are carrying, um, like locking your weight in place. And you're leaning forward, so the full weight of your upper body is decompressing your back. And I'll feel it going like pop, pop, pop. I'll feel like little pops in my back and I stretch it and I move on that thing. And it's all just about keeping the, the spine pliable and keeping the range of motion in your spine, but also in your shoulder joints.

• 2:19:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the best things for shoulder joints is to just hang. And I'll hang with one arm sometimes, I'll hang with both arms.

• 2:19:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  But I'm just like letting it all stretch out. So it stretches all your, your, the mobility of your shoulders and creates space in there.

• 2:19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  Allows everything to move freer. And then I'll do my chin-ups. So I do my sets of chin-ups, dips, pull-ups.

• 2:20:05Speaker 03

  So that's your stretch essentially.

• 2:20:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:20:07Speaker 03

  Okay, maybe I have to add that in, yeah.

• 2:20:09Joe Rogan?

  I also stretch on a bar, where I grab the bar and I turn like this, and I get it like that, and I get like a deep stretch that way, and I get a deep stretch the other way.

• 2:20:17Speaker 03

  I'll do that on my back on the ground.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  You should also do these things called, it's called crossover symmetry. It's these bands, and they have varying resistance, like different colors, or different strength of resistance. You don't even need a lot of resistance. The whole idea is just, you're working the tendons, and all the connective tissue, and it's just doing all these like different shoulder exercises. And so they cross, like one is attached to a post over here, and the other one's here. So I'm doing these, and I'm doing these, and I'm doing, I'm pinning them against my arm, and I'm doing it like that, where I'm just working the rotator cuff muscles, and just, just to keep everything.

• 2:20:52Speaker 03

  You're creating the torque on the joint.

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:55Speaker 03

  Whereas like, when you're lifting weights, you can kind of manipulate what part of your body is lifting.

• 2:20:59Joe Rogan?

  You can, and that's how you get injured sometimes, too.

• 2:21:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, I gotta do the, cause that's my biggest concern right now, is, I mean, you know, to bring it back to your friend.

• 2:21:06Joe Rogan?

  It's paddle.

• 2:21:07Speaker 03

  How do I play?

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:21:09Speaker 03

  Like, everything I do, I like, I do PT twice a week, shout out my boy Mike Helgeson, he's fucking great.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  You do PT twice a week?

• 2:21:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like I'm lifting, but I'm with a guy who is a PT, so if there is an issue, we can...

• 2:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see, I see, I see.

• 2:21:20Speaker 03

  But he'll just take me through weightlifting if I'm feeling good, and if I'm not, then we're doing some work, and...

• 2:21:25Joe Rogan?

  Have you been able to increase the mobility of your scapula?

• 2:21:28Speaker 03

  My, my, yes, and my shoulder was fucked before, and he brought it back. Him and, him and this guy Kyle were like, "Don't do surgery." Like, they, they were like, "Once you do surgery, you're fucked." And, so, "Let's try to work this thing out by building muscle around it, getting mobility into the joint," and like, they brought the shoulder back, like this was before I ever played paddle.

• 2:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Let me say one thing, real clear, that's not always true. Um, I know a lot of people that have had successful shoulder surgery. And in some cases, that's the only thing you can do.

• 2:21:55Speaker 03

  To save yourself.

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's like Yuri Prochaska, UFC former light heavyweight champion, his, his shoulder was blown apart. They had to put it back together again, they had to.

• 2:22:03Speaker 03

  And incredibly effective.

• 2:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Damn, that Jamal Hill fight, holy shit.

• 2:22:07Speaker 03

  Unbelievable.

• 2:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:22:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:09Joe Rogan?

  So for a situation like that, shoulder surgery was necessary. His shit was torn apart.

• 2:22:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  You can't just heal that with stem cells. But there are things you can heal with stem cells.

• 2:22:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  And it it definitely helps soft tissue injuries in a way like nothing else I've ever used.

• 2:22:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's it's it's legit. And Brigham Buehler, who's the CEO of Waste Well, he's worked so hard on edge. He's been on this podcast a bunch of times and Tucker's podcast, a bunch of podcasts. Just talking about all these different methods that are available.

• 2:22:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Joe Rogan?

  That are being stifled by the FDA.

• 2:22:43Speaker 03

  And that's the thing is like, once you get something that you're addicted to, longevity, exercise or regimens or whatever it is, are very easy to do.

• 2:22:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:22:52Speaker 03

  Because you're not really doing them so you can live to a hundred. You're like, how do I play this thing next week?

• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:22:58Speaker 03

  And it all the motivation comes from it. It's really simple. Like, I actually can't wait to go do the PT, whatever it is. Because I'm like, okay, I have a game Wednesday and I want to be good to play. It sounds ridiculous. I'm 41. I'm not going pro at this thing. But I love it so much that I would literally, I'm looking up the fucking BPC 157. I'm like, do I need to?

• 2:23:17Joe Rogan?

  Peptides.

• 2:23:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Wolverine shit that they say, right? And it's like, do I get that so I can recover faster?

• 2:23:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, get that.

• 2:23:23Speaker 03

  Is it? Have you tried that?

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  It's legit, super legit.

• 2:23:25Speaker 03

  I recommended to a buddy with no research. I was like, you should do this. And then a couple of weeks later, he's like, I'm on it. And I was like, did you look up it? I'm not a doctor or anything.

• 2:23:36Speaker 03

  But uh, but he said he did it for his uh, he he got an ACL surgery.

• 2:23:40Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:23:40Speaker 03

  And his doctor, he asked about it and his doctor goes, I take it.

• 2:23:45Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, well, that's a good doctor because I've had friends where I tell them about their doctors is all you shouldn't do that. There's no studies or.

• 2:23:51Speaker 03

  That's the thing. I feel like there's like old guard guys. They're a little bit hesitant to use some of the maybe newer technology. And I'm sure they have their reasons. I'm not, I don't know more than them about the science, but there are these new technologies that can maybe extend our playing age. Again, I don't need to be a pro, but I love this thing and I want to do it as much as I can. I want to get as good as I possibly can.

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:13Speaker 03

  It feels good to be getting better at something at this age.

• 2:24:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, let me tell you something. There's a reason why USADA uh, didn't let people use in the UFC and now drug free sport also doesn't let people use in the UFC. It's because it works.

• 2:24:24Speaker 03

  Wait a minute. Why would they not? Wouldn't, wouldn't it be advantageous for the athletes?

• 2:24:28Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. It's really stupid. But the idea is that it's performance enhancing because it it lets you heal quicker. So heal from injuries quicker, potentially heal from recovering from training quicker.

• 2:24:40Speaker 03

  And what would their argument, I mean, the only argument I've heard is like it increases cell growth.

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, the idea is like, keep everybody on a completely level playing field. How do you do that? No one's able to take anything. You can't take any performance enhancing substances.

• 2:24:54Speaker 03

  Or make it accessible to all athletes.

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think that's the right way to do it. But the problem is that, okay, what peptides are we talking about? What about things like HCG, which radically increase testosterone production? Are you allowed to do that? Okay, because if you're allowed to do that, like, what level is that steroids?

• 2:25:10Speaker 03

  Only recovery, I think any recovery drug, like, obviously, there's risks to all this. Like, you increase cell growth, and if you have cancer, God forbid in your body, those cells are going to grow as well, right?

• 2:25:19Joe Rogan?

  There's an argument for that, but I think the real argument is like, what's causing cancer, right? The real argument is like, eliminating environmental toxins and the issues. Also, there's people that have genetic predispositions to cancer, unfortunately. But the real reality about cancer is, unfortunately, like, what you take into your body has a significant effect. Your diet has a significant effect, exercise has a significant effect, and also, do you participate in any recovery activities like sauna, which is huge. They did a study out of Finland, again, I apologize if you've heard this before. It was a 20-year study. They found people who used sauna for four days a week had a 40% decrease in all-cause

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  mortality. All-cause, meaning heart attack, stroke, cancer, you name it.

• 2:26:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:08Joe Rogan?

  40% decrease, just because of the effects of sauna.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  How do they, how do they test that? Like, where's the, what is the, what is the term? The something group? Like, the group that...

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is what they did. They did this study, randomized controlled trial, right? So, they did this study where they took these people, and sauna use in Finland is everywhere. Everybody uses a sauna. And so, they did it based on these questionnaires. Do you do the sauna once a week? Do you sauna twice a week? What temperature do you do the sauna? And how long do you do it for? And they determined that the people that did the sauna four times a week for 20 minutes at 175 degrees had a 40% decrease in... All cause mortality. Now, when you drop the number of sessions, you also drop the the all cause mortality survival.

• 2:26:58Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  So like, it's like 20% at once a week, you know, 30% of the, so it's like that. Like measurable differences in the amount of people that were healthy and robust who did it four times a week.

• 2:27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that's interesting because the easiest way to discredit would be like, well, yeah, the people that do saunas want to increase their life, but what you're saying is there's an increased amount of assistance. If you do it more.

• 2:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Right. The benefits are legitimate, real, measurable. It's hermetic stress. There's it's heat shock proteins that your body produces to deal with the fact that you're you're essentially dying. Like, you can't stay, like, I do it at 196. You can't stay there very long. I do 25 minutes at 196.

• 2:27:43Speaker 03

  Have you ever passed out in it?

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:27:45Speaker 03

  Okay. Is that a thing people do?

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  I don't pass out.

• 2:27:51Speaker 03

  Get out the smelling salts.

• 2:27:53Joe Rogan?

  I stay awake. Um, no, you could though. Yeah, I mean, if you are the type of person who passes out, if you've got issues.

• 2:28:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I I think.

• 2:28:02Joe Rogan?

  Some people pass out just from stress.

• 2:28:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  I watched a kid blackout the other night, one of these school things that my kid had to go to.

• 2:28:08Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Some boy fainted on stage.

• 2:28:10Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:28:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sometimes people just, sometimes they just, your your brain goes, too much, check please.

• 2:28:17Speaker 03

  I've I've seen like, I've I not passed out, but like, uh, I was having like breathing issues. I didn't understand what the fuck it was and like, uh, my wife and I were trying to get pregnant. It was like really difficult because my sperm sucks. And I would, I would have like, um, I guess it was stress related. I didn't know what the fuck it was. Like, I went to a doctor and I was like, I feel like I can't catch my breath. And I started doing these like, uh, it's like a Navy SEAL breathing technique or whatever.

• 2:28:42Joe Rogan?

  Box breathing?

• 2:28:43Speaker 03

  Box breathing, yeah. And I would try to do that. I mean, it was so weird. It wouldn't affect me on stage. Because once I'm on stage, I'm like locked into the performance. And that's how I knew it was all.

• 2:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Psychological.

• 2:28:53Speaker 03

  Psychological, but like when I was off stage, there were times where I'd be at the cellar and I'd have to leave the cellar and there's this little park on Sixth Avenue that's like not even really a park, but there's like benches and I would just sit there and I would just fucking box breathe by myself, trying to get a full breath. And I go to this doctor and I was like, what the fuck is it? And it's it's a stressed induced, uh, asphyxiation or something like that. And I was just so like.

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  What was so stressful to you at that moment?

• 2:29:18Speaker 03

  I could, we couldn't get pregnant, like I found out my sperm sucked.

• 2:29:21Joe Rogan?

  So was that?

• 2:29:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and like.

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  See, that's where HCG comes in, actually, because that's one of those peptides that actually increases your sperm production.

• 2:29:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, my, I, my sperm wasn't swimming. That was the issue.

• 2:29:35Joe Rogan?

  Gotta get those bitches in the pool.

• 2:29:37Speaker 03

  Cold plunge.

• 2:29:40Joe Rogan?

  That helps too. That's supposed to be good for your nuts.

• 2:29:42Speaker 03

  Bro, I hit up Huberman.

• 2:29:43Joe Rogan?

  Heats the worst, apparently.

• 2:29:44Speaker 03

  They said heat and cold. I like hit up Huberman. I was like, yeah, what should I do? And he's like, all right, take these pills. And then the doctors even tell me, they're like, um, they're like, take these pills and then also, uh.

• 2:29:55Joe Rogan?

  You got lazy jizz, bro.

• 2:29:56Speaker 03

  Dude, I got the laziest fucking jizz, bro. It's, no, you just wait for it. I, I gotta take the pills. They're like, don't drink. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna drink. They're like, don't smoke. Okay, I'm not gonna smoke. They go, uh, wear baggy underwear and they're like, ice your balls once a day.

• 2:30:08Joe Rogan?

  Holla.

• 2:30:09Speaker 03

  So I do that for a month. I go get, or two months, I go get my sperm tested again. It got worse.

• 2:30:14Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:30:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they're like, we haven't even fucking seen this. And, um, and yeah, so like, we had to do IVF and everything. That's what the special is about. Like, it's just the story of us trying to.

• 2:30:24Joe Rogan?

  There was a study, uh, I think it was out of Japan, and what they were doing was, uh, they're getting people to cold plunge before exercise. So you cold plunge for three minutes and then you exercise and you force your body to heat up while you're working out.

• 2:30:42Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:30:43Joe Rogan?

  Massive increase in testosterone. To the point where this one guy, he had, um, he got his, uh, prostate levels checked and his doctor was like, this is, this is concerning.

• 2:30:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, uh, we wanna do this, we wanna do that, we wanna put you on this and put you on that. And the guy says, you know, there's, this, this is an article that's available online. This one guy tried this. He goes, okay, well, let me find out what's available online.

• 2:31:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  So he, he finds out cold plunging, does it.

• 2:31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:10Joe Rogan?

  And then, so here, this is the thing, Japanese cold plunge study, often referenced, discussed about cold, immersing the wrist in cold water before exercise significantly increased testosterone levels in young Japanese men. Compared to immersing it after exercise, which suppressed testosterone. Testosterone levels, highlighting the importance of timing when using cold stimulation for potential hormonal benefits. So, um, what this guy did was he, he plunged, not just the wrist.

• 2:31:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  And then, um, went to the doctor months later and the doctor thought he was on hormones. The doctor's like, you have 1100 testosterone. This is crazy. Like what's going on? And he tells him, I've been cold plunging before I lift weights. And the doctor's like, well, keep fucking doing that.

• 2:31:51Speaker 03

  Doing that, yeah.

• 2:31:52Joe Rogan?

  And so I know a lot, I do that now.

• 2:31:54Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know a lot of people that do that now. They, this is how they start their workout. My workout starts with a cold plunge.

• 2:32:00Speaker 03

  So my issue wasn't even the tea. They were like, yeah, your tea levels are good.

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  It's just the swimmers.

• 2:32:05Speaker 03

  It was the swimmers. And then they were like shaped weird. Like, I mean, it's just like.

• 2:32:08Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:32:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, bro. No, dude, it was, I mean, it was too funny. I, I told the guy, I mean, this is, I, I don't even do this in the special, I think, but like I, I. They were like, the, the, the, the shape is a little off or whatever. And I was, because you're so defensive. I go, well, maybe when they hit the cup.

• 2:32:25Joe Rogan?

  So hard.

• 2:32:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm still trying to like, I got an ego about it. I'm like, bro, you should have seen the way they fucking. It's a car crash over here.

• 2:32:35Joe Rogan?

  It's coming in at 400 PSI.

• 2:32:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it was, it was crazy. Once, once we got pregnant, it went away. And it was like, immediately went away.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:32:44Speaker 03

  I could breathe again. And it wasn't this feeling that I couldn't breathe. It was about catching a full breath. You know, when you're like running and at the end of your, or doing like a hard cardio intensive exercise, this idea like, you can't get to a hundred percent in your lungs. And I never had experienced in my life, like, I can, I can work pretty hard. Like I, I feel like maybe that's a competitive advantage of mine. Like I might not be the most skilled in certain things, but like I can, I can go. Like I have a good motor. I can fucking push it. And it was the first time in my life where like, a psychological issue affected my body physically. I didn't even know that that was possible. And uh.

• 2:33:23Joe Rogan?

  I know that that's happened to a lot of people I know that got canceled. People that got canceled where they were just overwhelmed, where they didn't, couldn't breathe and they didn't think that they could make it. They were like, I can't do this.

• 2:33:33Speaker 03

  Oh, cause they were going through that.

• 2:33:35Joe Rogan?

  They were going through it like in the heart of it.

• 2:33:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Like you gotta call up, check up on them.

• 2:33:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Make sure they're okay. I remember Tony, when I, I remember the fork in the road. I remember the, the curve I was driving on when I was talking on the phone to Tony, when he was going through his first one.

• 2:33:51Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:33:51Joe Rogan?

  And um, he's like, I just said, this is not good, man. I'm not doing good. And I'm like, fuck, man. And it was like, that was the moment where I was like, please don't kill yourself.

• 2:34:01Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get better.

• 2:34:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be fine. Do not, I, I didn't say that.

• 2:34:06Speaker 03

  But that's what you're thinking.

• 2:34:06Joe Rogan?

  That's what I was thinking. I remember being in my car going, ooh, like hearing him on the phone. We were on speakerphone. I was like, fuck, man.

• 2:34:14Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, you dedicate your entire life to one thing.

• 2:34:16Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, it's just like feeling like it's over. Everything's over. Your career's over, your life is over, as you know. One stupid thing and now it's over forever and just the, huh, you can't breathe.

• 2:34:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  You can't breathe.

• 2:34:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:29Joe Rogan?

  And you know, Tony's tough. He, he's resilient.

• 2:34:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  He got through it pretty quick and he was back and then, you know, a couple of weeks later, he was laughing about it.

• 2:34:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:37Joe Rogan?

  But some people, it, you know, they get wrecked and they're not the same ever again.

• 2:34:42Speaker 03

  I think that does happen to people and then there's a different version of them afterwards.

• 2:34:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:46Speaker 03

  Because they don't want to experience that again. It is, it is weird. Like I'm not as affected by that kind of stuff. Now, maybe I haven't gone through on that level. But, and I also think there's something about having a kid, like I just care less about the, like I care very, the very few people I care what they think about me.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:04Speaker 03

  It's like really liberating in a lot of ways, you know?

• 2:35:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:07Speaker 03

  But um, but yeah, there was something about like, like, are we not gonna be able to get pregnant and then like feeling. You feel horrible. I also, you start like going, why would God not want me to have a kid? Like, did I do something bad? Like, you start thinking like if there's some sort of karmic reason for that shit. Also, before, I knew it was me. I don't want to share it with anybody. It's really isolating because I thought it was my wife. Like, everybody always thinks it's the woman who's got a fucking problem with her eggs or whatever. And...

• 2:35:34Joe Rogan?

  That's such a bitch-ass dude thing.

• 2:35:36Speaker 03

  No, that's what we think because we don't know. It could be us. When did you ever, like, every time I looked at my sperm, it was fire.

• 2:35:43Joe Rogan?

  It's an arrogant male thing. It couldn't be me.

• 2:35:44Speaker 03

  It can't be me.

• 2:35:45Joe Rogan?

  Look at the amount of fucking jizz I'm producing.

• 2:35:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm killing it, right? Like, literally. So, and then, and then you think about it, and I will say this, though, like, like, finding out that it was me and being able to, I felt more comfortable talking about it on stage because now I'm not talking about this incredibly embarrassing thing to this woman who does not want to be in entertainment at all, like, the most private person, not about me. I was like, oh, I can talk about this a little bit. And being able to talk about it on stage, and I would talk about it on stage, and like, there'd be these dudes that would come up to me after shows, and they wouldn't admit they were going through it, but they'd be like, yo, that was really funny, bro. Like, yeah, you should keep talking about that shit. And then, I, I would like, talk about it on tour, and I get these fucking DMs, and like, all these people would start telling me that they're going through IVF, and like, even close friends start to be

• 2:36:32Speaker 03

  like, yo, actually, that's how we got pregnant. And I didn't realize it was this, this like, almost like last taboo thing where there's this incredible isolation because you don't want to feel the judgment. There's all this pressure. And obviously, you have a family. You don't want to feel like you're the person that's like stopping that. But I didn't realize, and I'm 40, so a lot of older people are probably going through this, maybe young people are not, but like, everybody in my immediate circle going through this shit.

• 2:36:57Joe Rogan?

  Let me ask you this. Like, first of all, when did IVF become available to people? And how many people a year do you think use IVF? And if they didn't, how many less people would there be on Earth?

• 2:37:12Speaker 03

  Brother, brother, brother. This is, like, there were three things when I talked to Trump that I wanted to ask him about specifically. And one of them was securing IVF. Because I know a lot of people who are against abortion also look at IVF and like, okay, you're throwing out embryos, you're, you know, killing people or potential people, and they want to use the anti-abortion argument to get rid of IVF. And...

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  Really? Is that a thing?

• 2:37:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course. It's happening now. And what Trump said on the pod...

• 2:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Who's trying to ban that?

• 2:37:41Speaker 03

  Uh, I guess we could look that up. I think that it was in, uh, there's a few states that it was happening in.

• 2:37:46Joe Rogan?

  That seems insane.

• 2:37:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:47Joe Rogan?

  Why would you not want more people?

• 2:37:49Speaker 03

  Well, they look at it as killing people because life starts at conception and the embryo is essentially conception. Which like, I understand your logic. I don't, I don't disagree with the logic behind that, but at the same time,

• 2:38:02Speaker 03

  that is the way that, the only way some people can get pregnant and I will give it-

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Senate Republicans block IVF bills, Democrats elevate issue ahead of November election.

• 2:38:13Speaker 03

  But what I'll say is Trump said that they're gonna back it with the full power of the Republican Party and that anybody that goes against it, that they would campaign against. And then he even signed that executive order to expand it. He wants to expand access to it.

• 2:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 2:38:25Speaker 03

  Which is fucking, yeah, it's incredible.

• 2:38:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, for people that wanna be parents, man. I know quite a people, few people like yourself. They wanna be parents so bad and that gave them the ability and now they're so happy.

• 2:38:34Speaker 03

  And it's the most incredible thing in the world.

• 2:38:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if they don't do that, guess what? There's no babies.

• 2:38:38Speaker 03

  No babies.

• 2:38:39Joe Rogan?

  It's like more life will occur if you have, if you allow this.

• 2:38:42Speaker 03

  Also, we gotta deal with the downstream. Like, I'm sure some of this shit is probably, it might, me, it just might be genetic, I don't fucking know, but maybe it's microplastics all in my balls, maybe it's my phone, like, there's a lot of things that are not in our control that are negatively impacting us and then to restrict our ability to have a family.

• 2:38:57Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:38:58Speaker 03

  I feel like it's kind of unfair.

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:38:59Speaker 03

  You like bestowed this thing upon me that has affected our ability or some woman's ability to conceive.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if it's like more prevalent, the issue or the necessity of it with people that live in cities?

• 2:39:11Speaker 03

  Oh dude, every time a car breaks.

• 2:39:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:14Speaker 03

  The amount of microplastics that go into the world are way more than using like a plastic bottle to drink out of.

• 2:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, brake dust.

• 2:39:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's particulates.

• 2:39:22Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 2:39:23Joe Rogan?

  That's the shit that you wipe off your wheels when you clean your car?

• 2:39:25Speaker 03

  No, no, never done that.

• 2:39:26Joe Rogan?

  You never washed your car?

• 2:39:27Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 2:39:28Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:39:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I didn't have a car until like a year ago.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  What do you got now? Got anything good?

• 2:39:33Speaker 03

  No, nothing. Well, I got a fun one. I got a really, I got a Suzuki Samurai.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:39:37Speaker 03

  It's the coolest fucking car on the planet.

• 2:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Those are fun.

• 2:39:39Speaker 03

  They're so cool. It was, yeah, it was sick.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  That's a good car to park in the city too. You don't give a fuck what happens to that thing.

• 2:39:44Speaker 03

  Well, I got it out in the Hamptons, but yeah.

• 2:39:45Joe Rogan?

  What year is it?

• 2:39:46Speaker 03

  It's, uh, eighty-seven?

• 2:39:49Speaker 03

  Even such a piece of shit. Oh, it's a piece of shit, but it is like, it's also just so fun, like, I don't, I'm not trying to compete with you on like having like a fancy car, whatever like that. I just love how fucking rugged, I don't care.

• 2:39:59Joe Rogan?

  You gotta turn you on to some fucking fun rides.

• 2:40:01Speaker 03

  You, you know the good shit, like.

• 2:40:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta learn, you gotta learn the appreciation of cars.

• 2:40:06Speaker 03

  I got my, yeah, there it is. Oh, there are the boys.

• 2:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing. Yeah, that thing's fun.

• 2:40:12Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:40:12Joe Rogan?

  What a cute little car.

• 2:40:13Speaker 03

  Isn't it adorable?

• 2:40:14Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't take that thing around the block.

• 2:40:16Speaker 03

  But, wait, you're saying you wouldn't get in that car with?

• 2:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Trust it.

• 2:40:19Speaker 03

  With six?

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  I'd go with you guys.

• 2:40:20Speaker 03

  With six guys?

• 2:40:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'd go with you guys.

• 2:40:21Speaker 03

  Shouldn't that be on the cover of every gay magazine?

• 2:40:23Joe Rogan?

  It should be. Like, if you take this pill, this is what you'll have. You'll have fun with your friends on the beach with a Suzuki Samurai.

• 2:40:32Speaker 03

  It's so much fun. And they're reliable as fuck, that's the thing about them.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Every Japanese car's reliable.

• 2:40:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:40:36Joe Rogan?

  They're the best.

• 2:40:37Speaker 03

  That's the thing about Japanese culture, is that like, it's refinement culture. So like, I feel like there, any ti- I said, there's this Japanese DJ I saw, i- his name is a, Yosuke Yukimatsu. Okay? He had like, brain cancer, and then like, he thought he was gonna die, so he was like, fucking, I'm gonna be a DJ by the time I got left, and it went into remission, but he basically quit his construction job. He just did his Boiler Room set, and it is just like, I could be like, putting this energy on it, cause I wanna believe it or whatever. But, the intensity of it is, this is my shot, and I'm gonna be unrelenting, right? And, the second I saw that he's Japanese, maybe this is my like, this is the guy.

• 2:41:14Joe Rogan?

  Look at him go.

• 2:41:15Speaker 03

  But, can you, like, can you ima- look at this motherfucker. The, a Japanese person being a DJ, before I even listened to the set, I was like, oh, this is gonna be the best set I've ever heard. Because they would never put themselves out there, be- and do it half-assed. Like, every thirty-year-old model in America is like, I'll be a DJ now, but in Japan, the culture is so like, don't bring shame upon your family. Don't bring attention to yourself, unless you are the greatest.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the term kaizen? Do you know what that means?

• 2:41:44Speaker 03

  No, what is that?

• 2:41:45Joe Rogan?

  Kaizen is a Japanese term for taking a thing and continuing to refine it until it reaches perfection. So, Japanese, first of all, like...

• 2:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Supercars were always Italian, it was always, you know, German, Porsche, Ferrari, that kind of shit. And then Nissan created a car that destroyed everybody.

• 2:42:13Speaker 03

  What was it?

• 2:42:14Joe Rogan?

  The GTR. So Nissan GTR, they've essentially been making the same exact car, just refining it for like 20 years. I have a 2024 Nissan GTR Nismo, which is their race package one, which is the most refined version of the GTR they've ever, and it's a fucking marvel of engineering and refinement.

• 2:42:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  That fucking car is magical.

• 2:42:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:42:43Joe Rogan?

  It's just glued to the road. You ever seen one?

• 2:42:45Speaker 03

  No, show me.

• 2:42:46Joe Rogan?

  Pull up a black Nissan 2024 GTR Nismo.

• 2:42:52Speaker 03

  But culturally, they can't put out shit. It's shameful to put out shit.

• 2:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:57Speaker 03

  And I feel like they're almost like done refining their culture and now they're tapping into other things like.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  That's what it looks like.

• 2:43:03Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. Yeah.

• 2:43:03Joe Rogan?

  It's a spaceship.

• 2:43:04Speaker 03

  What's the?

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  That's not, that's a, that's a Nismo 300. That's mine. That's my car right there.

• 2:43:09Speaker 03

  What is that Nissan Z, was it Z300 or something like that?

• 2:43:13Joe Rogan?

  Um.

• 2:43:13Speaker 03

  This came out when I was in college.

• 2:43:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 340Z, there's a bunch of those. But that's the, that's the GTR.

• 2:43:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:43:19Joe Rogan?

  That thing is just, it's just, it's just, you're on a ride. You're riding a ride everywhere. Whirs and clinks and clunks and.

• 2:43:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:43:31Joe Rogan?

  It's so fun. That's a different one. That's a 300Z, a 370Z. That's pretty sick too, though. That looks good. But there's like a whole culture of taking these things, like there's guys that make these things, they jack them up to 2,000 horsepower and they spit fire out of the back of them.

• 2:43:46Speaker 03

  But they do it with pizza. Like the best pizza I've ever had, and I'm from New York City, is in Tokyo.

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Really? The best pizza you've ever had?

• 2:43:53Speaker 03

  That's the best pizza I've ever had is in Tokyo. I forget the name of the place. But it, uh, my wife and I were in Tokyo and, uh, but it's, it was the best steak I've ever had is in Tokyo.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:44:02Speaker 03

  And it, it's something about like doing something half-assed, I think is shameful. And there's this great honor in like this refinement process. Now, there is a social cost to that. There's a rigidity, meaning like, it's very, here's a perfect example, like the oldest hotel in the world, I think, is this hotel in Japan, it's like, started in 703, the year 703.

• 2:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:44:24Speaker 03

  And it's-

• 2:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've seen that.

• 2:44:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:26Speaker 03

  And it's been owned by the same family for 52 generations.

• 2:44:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:44:29Speaker 03

  Which is like, an unbelievable feat, when you think about like, American families or British families, that like, have gotten rich, and then three generations, they've squandered it all. Like, really successful families, it's all been destroyed. And there is this thing, and I think, Japanese culture, which is like, there's this great honor, in taking on the tradition of your family. The cost of that is, there was probably a comedian, or a chef, or somebody in that line, that didn't do the thing that they really were passionate about, to honor their family. But, the societal benefit is, probably the majority of people, don't have those dreams. And having purpose in this job, is probably better for them.

• 2:45:11Speaker 03

  And, I think there's a middle ground, where you can still go dream, and do these things, but also, we have some respect, for being a cobbler, when your dad was a cobbler, and his dad was a cobbler.

• 2:45:21Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:45:22Speaker 03

  I feel like we've lost that a little bit, in like, American dream culture, where it's like, if you don't go out and achieve your craziest dream, well, some people don't have that dream, but taking over their dad's business, is something that they can feel good about and honor, instead of like, oh yeah, so I just took over the family business.

• 2:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, doing a good job at anything, there's a lot of value in that for everybody. If you love making shoes, and you become a cobbler, and you make awesome shoes, and you got like, Andrew shows up, "Bro, those shoes are sick, I love them, I want another pair, but could you make them in Crocodile?"

• 2:45:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:51Joe Rogan?

  "Oh, let's go."

• 2:45:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's exciting. Like, making things, and having relationships with the people you sell them to, that's super rewarding. We, we do chase that big dream over in America, and, and make it seem like everybody has to have it, but, the dream of making cabinets that are awesome, is a pretty fucking cool dream. Yeah, the dream of being a painter, is a pretty cool dream. Like, there's, there's a lot of dreams that don't get the value added to them, because of fame. Like, we, we have this weird thing about fame above all, in this country.

• 2:46:22Speaker 03

  Fame above all, like moms, being a mom isn't really valued, like.

• 2:46:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:46:27Speaker 03

  It's a real, I think it's a real problem. I, I think that, uh, and it's not all places. Like, I'm sure there are places that are more like family oriented where like, like being a mom is an honored, respected thing.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  A lot out here, man.

• 2:46:38Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 2:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:39Speaker 03

  Like, I'm, in New York, it's not that.

• 2:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Right. Nor is it in LA. In LA, a lot of the moms have jobs too. They have careers. They don't want to abandon their career.

• 2:46:46Speaker 03

  They might shame those moms that decide to stay home and take care of their kids.

• 2:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:46:50Speaker 03

  When, yeah, I don't think that that's, it would be great if there was less rigidity and there was a lot of honor in that. And it was something we really respected. Cause I know in New York, even my wife, like my wife is like, you know, she got her fucking MBA. She was working for Apple on AI projects. And then she goes, I, that's my dream to be a mom. And I feel societal scrutiny about it. But I don't fucking care, cause I want to be a mom.

• 2:47:12Joe Rogan?

  You know who really gets the scrutiny? Stay at home dads.

• 2:47:15Speaker 03

  That shit is gay.

• 2:47:28Speaker 03

  You trying to lip pill me, Joe? What the fuck?

• 2:47:31Joe Rogan?

  I want to see where you would go with it. I fed you one of them little racquetball balls.

• 2:47:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, the paddle. It's paddle.

• 2:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Paddle ball.

• 2:47:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:47:40Joe Rogan?

  I fed you one of those half filled tennis balls and you fucking shoved it down my throat.

• 2:47:48Speaker 03

  But yeah, that is the weird thing. It's like.

• 2:47:51Joe Rogan?

  I know. It was, well, as a male, you feel a real strong pull to be a provider.

• 2:47:55Speaker 03

  We do.

• 2:47:56Joe Rogan?

  It feels very important.

• 2:47:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  It really, like, as you become a father and you raise children, it really gets instilled on you. Like, I always had a really good work ethic, but becoming a father made me have a much stronger work ethic. Like, uh, there's, I, if I was a single man with no responsibilities, who knows if I would work as hard? Who knows if I would take days off? Or I'd fuck off. I'd, if my friends are like, hey, you know, let's go bow hunting in Argentina. I'm like, yeah, I'll take the day off. Fuck it.

• 2:48:24Speaker 03

  The biggest lie about having kids is that you won't be able to provide for them. I think a lot of people go, oh, I just need to get my life ready to do. It's like, oh, no, no, no. That's gonna put a batter in your back like you wouldn't fucking believe.

• 2:48:37Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully. It's very sad when it doesn't. I've met men.

• 2:48:40Speaker 03

  Those people shouldn't have kids.

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I've met men where they, they just, they keep doing the same thing, even after they have children. And you're like, oh my God, dude, you can't do this.

• 2:48:48Speaker 03

  Did they want to have them?

• 2:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Who knows, you know, who knows what if people want or if they think they want and then they have and then they don't change. You know, Louis CK said something really cool once to me. He's like, when you have children, he's like, you just gotta let it change you. Just let it change you.

• 2:49:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't hold on to who you think you are and what you think your identity is. Just let it, let it transform you, adjust. Cause everybody adjusts. The mom adjusts, you, now it's not your girlfriend anymore, it's not your wife anymore. Now it's a mother. She has a child, she made a human being in her body and it's very vulnerable and she loves it more than anything in this world.

• 2:49:26Speaker 03

  Anything.

• 2:49:27Joe Rogan?

  And it's this crazy experience that if you don't have and you're on the outside, you look at it as like, oh, that responsibility, oh, fuck that, oh, you're tied down, oh, you got kids now. But it's a, it's another level of understanding what life really is. Cause it's this constant cycle of new people entering into the world and eventually you will leave this world.

• 2:49:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:49:50Joe Rogan?

  And hopefully you will leave this world better because you were here.

• 2:49:53Speaker 03

  Amen.

• 2:49:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:54Speaker 03

  That's true. Yeah, it's the, it's the coolest thing that's ever happened to me and absolutely has transformed me.

• 2:50:00Joe Rogan?

  I was just super excited when you become a dad.

• 2:50:02Speaker 03

  Man.

• 2:50:03Joe Rogan?

  Cause I knew you, you're all in on everything you do. You know, so you'd be all in on being a dad too, which is so important. It's just so important, like, it's so weird that you're making a life, a human being comes into this world that didn't exist before you and your wife had sex. And now there's a human being.

• 2:50:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:50:23Joe Rogan?

  That's talking to you and you're teaching them stuff, they learn things, you get to see them laugh and giggle and you get to see them open up Christmas presents and screech at excitement. Oh my God, it's, it's, all the happiness that you get from other things just doesn't compare.

• 2:50:38Speaker 03

  Pales in comparison.

• 2:50:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a different happiness. It's a totally different happiness. So, and it's also, it's like an understanding of life itself. I, I have talked about this before, but I changed the way I think about people.

• 2:50:51Speaker 03

  You told me this.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  I think about everybody as a baby now.

• 2:50:55Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's a baby that became a sixty year old man with big old wino nose, you know, when they get those big

• 2:51:00Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  crazy fucking gin blossom faces.

• 2:51:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  Like priests.

• 2:51:04Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:51:05Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, I realized like, oh, this is just, this is this entity at this stage of its journey. But he used to be a baby. They used to be someone's cute little baby boy with a little, little bow tie on. Everybody thought it was so cute. Took a picture of him. Now here he is, bad breath and farting.

• 2:51:23Joe Rogan?

  Big old pot belly, hating life, smoking Pall Malls.

• 2:51:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, he had a lot of hope at one point.

• 2:51:28Joe Rogan?

  That was a baby, yeah. And, you know, what, what, what is, you have a lot of hope, but like, what is the impediment to you achieving a fulfilled life? And so many people don't even know where to start or where to begin, or what, what to do, what, what, which way to go. And if you haven't been trusting your instincts in your life and you haven't been taking chances, then all of a sudden you have to take one at like thirty-five.

• 2:51:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:51:51Joe Rogan?

  It's hard, man. It's hard.

• 2:51:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:51:53Joe Rogan?

  That's a muscle you build like endurance, you know, you build the muscle of being able to take chances and, and do difficult things. You, you build that like all other muscles, all other strengths and virtues that you have.

• 2:52:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:52:06Joe Rogan?

  It's reinforced with use.

• 2:52:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, every risk you take that is successful, you get a little bit more confidence in taking those risks.

• 2:52:13Joe Rogan?

  Also, you understand what's required to make this venture successful.

• 2:52:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:52:18Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to do, look at it correctly. You can't be delusional. You have to be objective and you have to do what actually needs to be done.

• 2:52:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:52:25Joe Rogan?

  And some people don't like that responsibility, the responsibility of like.

• 2:52:28Speaker 03

  It's terrifying.

• 2:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And so they sabotage themselves. They sabotage their life because it's easier to fail because you're used to it.

• 2:52:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:52:35Joe Rogan?

  So you fall right back into it. I'll pick myself back up again, but right now I'm on the heroin again for a little bit.

• 2:52:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. That is the cool thing about, well, yeah, I mean, failure is not an option once you have a kid.

• 2:52:49Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:52:50Speaker 03

  You have to figure it out.

• 2:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to figure it out. Also, you want the world to be a safer place because you're very vulnerable little people.

• 2:52:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, you relate, it's a. You just become like a real human being. It's interesting when I hear people that don't have kids kind of complain about the world and I'm like, "Oh, you actually don't really understand how high the stakes get."

• 2:53:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:09Speaker 03

  Like, the way that I relate to every bit of stimulus has completely changed. It's heightened and reduced. The little frivolous shit, I do not give a flying fuck about.

• 2:53:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:20Speaker 03

  Like, I really don't care. And then the big-ticket things, I care deeply about. You know, how could they impact my kid? Like, it's very easy for people to, even with like the vaccine shit, it's very easy for people who don't have kids to tell you like, "Oh, just trust the doctors," whatever. The second you have a kid,

• 2:53:37Speaker 03

  it is probably the most terrifying thing you'll ever do in your entire life, is injecting something into the most perfect thing you've ever created. And then every single day, wondering and seeing if she's still smiling and seeing if she's still okay, like,

• 2:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:53:52Speaker 03

  And feeling responsible if anything negative happens.

• 2:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:55Speaker 03

  And then if you don't do it, feeling responsible if she got fucking the measles or mumps or whatever the fuck it is. I have so much more empathy. And it's something that people just can't understand because they're not put in that position.

• 2:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:54:09Speaker 03

  And every new parent that I talk to is concerned about this shit. Every single one. So it's like, you have to have a little empathy, like you've created the most perfect thing you've ever could ever imagine. Like, nothing comes as close to that. And every decision you make could greatly impact that person's life. So, yeah, we're gonna be scared if we watch a fucking video on the internet that says this thing is bad for them.

• 2:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:54:30Speaker 03

  And don't call us some fucking quacks. Just call us like, parents who care for our fucking kids.

• 2:54:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, the reason, there's a lot of people that want to cover up for their own actions, like what they've done. Or the people that want to say, like, "All this is exaggerated, there are no vaccine injuries, this could have happened to my child." It probably was, it was gonna happen anyway. It was gonna happen anyway. And you want to really believe that, too.

• 2:54:51Speaker 03

  Of course you do, because you don't want to feel like it's your responsibility.

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Also, you don't want to believe that pharmaceutical drug companies are willing to sell you things that are gonna harm your child. And they are. They are. They always have been, they always will be. They're publicly traded companies, have responsibility, their shareholders, to make as much money as possible. Possible and the money people are gonna push a bunch of shit through that probably shouldn't go through. And they'll tell you, you need to like, like when they were vaccinating kids with covid. There is no reason to do that. They knew there was no reason to do that, but they wanted everybody to take it because that's where the money is. And that's a scary thought that we live in a world that there's people out there that would literally sacrifice the health of children for profit. But ultimately, that's, that's what they do. That's, I mean, that's a thing that's been done. It will continue to be done unless something happens.

• 2:55:37Speaker 03

  Who are the people that do that? Why are they not named?

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  Look at the Sackler family. Look at those people.

• 2:55:41Speaker 03

  So it's like, we know one name. We know the Sacklers and we don't even know their first name. Well, you might, but like the average person doesn't like. I think that it'd be a lot different if these people's names were public record.

• 2:55:51Joe Rogan?

  It would be a lot different if they went to jail. That's the thing. They just get fined.

• 2:55:55Speaker 03

  They'll get mangionied.

• 2:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:57Speaker 03

  That would happen.

• 2:55:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:55:58Speaker 03

  That would happen immediately.

• 2:55:59Joe Rogan?

  That's a new thing. That's a verb.

• 2:56:00Speaker 03

  They're gonna get the, they're gonna get that Luigi treatment immediately. It, it will be that way. People don't fuck around with their kids, man. It's a different.

• 2:56:07Joe Rogan?

  Luigi was wearing loafers with his ankle handcuffs and he was like in a, in a trial and he, he looked so beautiful.

• 2:56:15Speaker 03

  He's a handsome guy.

• 2:56:16Joe Rogan?

  My wife and my daughters are like, he's adorable. Like, look at him here. He's so beautiful.

• 2:56:20Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:56:21Joe Rogan?

  He's so handsome. Like a supermodel.

• 2:56:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think he did porn or maybe that was just a headline that I saw. But whatever.

• 2:56:32Joe Rogan?

  But it's. Isn't it crazy though that the assassin is a good looking guy and becomes a hero? Like, if he was an ugly fat guy with a MAGA hat on, everybody would want him dead.

• 2:56:39Speaker 03

  Yo, that's.

• 2:56:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at him.

• 2:56:41Speaker 03

  Wow, look at those brows.

• 2:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful. Well, he's wearing a bulletproof vest too. Isn't that wild?

• 2:56:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:56:47Joe Rogan?

  But he's got like a mental health problem.

• 2:56:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Apparently, and someone said that he took acid and cracked.

• 2:56:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:56:54Joe Rogan?

  I, I heard that. But who knows how much of that? Well, we'll find out when the trial happens, what, what the lore is, but you know.

• 2:57:01Speaker 03

  A broken clock is right two times a day though.

• 2:57:04Joe Rogan?

  It was real weird when people were like, yeah, more of that, please.

• 2:57:08Speaker 03

  To me, that's just desperation and you get to see it manifested. It's like. If you're like a really, really, really, really, really rich person with power. You want to make sure the poorest people have enough to survive. The second they don't feel like they have hope and they don't feel like they have enough to survive, they start storming your estate.

• 2:57:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially when you talk about healthcare because there's people whose job is to deny people healthcare that deserve it.

• 2:57:37Speaker 03

  That's how.

• 2:57:38Joe Rogan?

  Because that's how they save money, which is, that's crazy to think of, but that's, I mean, what is the alternative, socialized medicine? The problem with that is it doesn't incentivize doctors to be the best. I want my doctor to drive a fucking Porsche. I want my doctor to have a 911 turbo and a nice watch.

• 2:57:54Speaker 03

  It's, it's, no, you're right, because you want the smartest people to be the doctors. You don't want them running hedge funds.

• 2:57:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:57:59Speaker 03

  Like, there's a lot of probably really smart people running hedge funds. I don't want them doing that shit.

• 2:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:58:02Speaker 03

  Like, I want them fixing diseases.

• 2:58:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:58:04Speaker 03

  You know, I want, and if there's not enough money in it, yeah, they're gonna go to the hedge fund shit, which is meaningless.

• 2:58:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:10Speaker 03

  So, it's like, I, it is a tricky problem. How do you create a, you know, a system that incentivizes the most brilliant people to be in positions where they help us all? But how do you make sure that the nefarious actors are not finding ways to squeeze probably the most vulnerable?

• 2:58:25Joe Rogan?

  How do we eliminate nefarious actors in the world? Or do we ever?

• 2:58:29Speaker 03

  You can't.

• 2:58:30Joe Rogan?

  You can't.

• 2:58:31Speaker 03

  They're there, and they will pop into these positions.

• 2:58:35Joe Rogan?

  And I think they're there also to help you appreciate non-nefarious people.

• 2:58:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, we wouldn't know good.

• 2:58:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:58:42Speaker 03

  Unless there is bad.

• 2:58:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's real.

• 2:58:44Speaker 03

  That's a good perspective to have on bad.

• 2:58:46Joe Rogan?

  That's a, that's the good and evil struggle forever. That's the yin and the yang. That's it all. It's like, that's how the world moves forward. That's how it advances. It protects itself against evil. And then evil tries to find ways through the fucking cracks. And they develop better antivirus software.

• 2:59:05Speaker 03

  It's a simulation.

• 2:59:07Joe Rogan?

  A little bit, man. It might be. It's gonna be, so maybe it already is. And maybe it always was. Maybe it always was.

• 2:59:14Speaker 03

  And if it's a simulation once, it can be a simulation twice. So, if we can create the simulation, and we were created as a simulation, that means that... We could be like the 20th version of it.

• 2:59:27Joe Rogan?

  And we're probably about to create a way better one with AI. That's probably what AI is. AI is probably the god of the simulation. We probably lock that motherfucker in, turn it on, then it figures out how to do everything.

• 2:59:40Speaker 03

  Do you have any concern about AI?

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:59:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:59:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Elon says there's a 20% chance everything goes sideways, but an 80% chance it's an overall net good for humanity. But 20% chance, like, we're fucked.

• 2:59:51Speaker 03

  That's a high number.

• 2:59:52Joe Rogan?

  That's not a good number. I don't like that if I'm playing Russian roulette and I got 10 chambers and I spin that bitch. I don't like there's two bullets in there.

• 3:00:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:00:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't like that. That makes me nervous. But I also think you've got a lot of really good, smart people trying to make sure that at the very least, the people here invented before the people in China, which I think is probably important. Like whoever, whoever launches the god first is gonna be in charge of a lot of stuff.

• 3:00:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:00:23Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna get fucking very strange, Andrew Schulz. It's already very strange, but it's gonna get even stranger.

• 3:00:30Speaker 03

  We'll be here to enjoy it.

• 3:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir.

• 3:00:32Speaker 03

  We'll be making fun of it.

• 3:00:33Joe Rogan?

  My brother, it's always a good time to sit with you.

• 3:00:35Speaker 03

  I love you, dog. Thank you.

• 3:00:36Joe Rogan?

  I love you to death. You're the best.

• 3:00:37Speaker 03

  You are.

• 3:00:38Joe Rogan?

  Tell everybody what's going on.

• 3:00:40Speaker 03

  Oh, Life is on Netflix right now. So go check it out, man. And, uh, yeah, go check it out. Also, go check out Derek Poston's, uh...

• 3:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Look at that stash, son.

• 3:00:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I think we're, I think we're, today we're number two. You know, maybe after this, we beat Kate Hudson. And we get, Kate Hudson got me, man.

• 3:00:59Joe Rogan?

  What day does, um, Derek's come out? April 19?

• 3:01:01Speaker 03

  Uh, April, I think 16th.

• 3:01:03Joe Rogan?

  16th.

• 3:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, so make sure you check that out.

• 3:01:05Joe Rogan?

  I gotta get him in here.

• 3:01:05Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, he's just the fuck. Bro, he was killing us last night. He said that, uh, the greatest art ever created is, uh, Harry Potter. And we go like, better than, he's like, he was, yes, if it's the most consumed, it's the best. And we're like, what about the Bible? He goes, ain't nobody read that shit.

• 3:01:26Speaker 03

  He goes, he goes, he goes, ain't nobody read that shit. He goes, he goes, he goes, you might have read like part of it, but you didn't read the whole Bible. He goes, nobody's stopping at book three.

• 3:01:36Speaker 03

  He was cooking last night. But yo, go check out his Don't Tell comedy.

• 3:01:40Joe Rogan?

  He's very funny and a great person.

• 3:01:42Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 3:01:42Joe Rogan?

  All right. I love you, brother.

• 3:01:43Speaker 03

  Love you, dog. Peace.

• 3:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.