Kylie & Michelle Obama on Prom at The White House, Destined Girl Dads & Roster Height Lies | Ep. 15

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Liquid Death and starts things off by reacting to the news of NGL winning its first-ever award for “Best Emerging Podcast” at the 2025 iHeartPodcast Awards (1:44). Then, Kylie gets into the realities of late pregnancy and the most popular at-home labor induction methods based on a TikTok she doomscrolled upon (2:45). Plus, it’s a doomscroll double feature because a photo of baby Kylie, all 12 lbs 1 oz of her, has resurfaced and Kylie shares her theory on second kids being built “sturdy” (5:35). After that, Kylie debuts a new segment tentatively called “Charity and Yap” until Queen Emma thinks of something better. Kylie shares that she and Jason have something very special up for auction at this year’s 2025 Night of Too Many Stars event benefiting the NEXT For Autism organization (8:45). Kylie’s then joined by the woman she claims she may have the “least business” talking to in the entire world, former First Lady, Michelle Obama (13:10). Kylie asks Mrs. Obama about her brand new podcast “IMO” that she hosts with her brother Craig Robinson and why they wanted to start the show together. Mrs. Obama and Kylie then get into the benefits of being a girl dad (19:52) and the realities of raising teenage daughters at The White House (21:20). Mrs. Obama talks about the importance of making sure her daughters were prepared for the world once they moved out and what it was like when they were doing regular teen things like learning to drive and going to parties. Kylie shares how much she appreciated Mrs. Obama’s “Let’s Move” campaign and asks her about partnering with the NFL on it, the changes to school lunches that resulted from it and why that cause was initially so important to her (28:47). Lastly, since they’re both exactly 5’11”, Kylie asks Michelle Obama about her feelings on growing up as a tall girl and the two of them bond over guys lying about their heights in their dating years and now being proud to wear heels (36:40). As always, make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Michelle Obama. . . . Support the Show: Liquid Death: Go to http://liquiddeath.com/kylie for $2 off any 2 six-packs! Liquid Death is available nationwide anywhere you shop for water or iced tea Michelle Obama’s new podcast “IMO” is available now on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts! Donate to NEXT For AUTISM: https://nextforautism.org/ ‘Night of Too Many Stars’ Tickets: https://www.ticketmaster.com/night-of-too-many-stars-benefits-new-york-new-york-03-31-2025/event/3B00616FE4A61D78? CAMEFROM=cfc_beacontheatre_EML_PRE_241209_3650239&utm_campaign=241210_BT_NOTMS_PRE&utm_medium=eml&utm_source=sfmc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Kylie Kelce?

  This episode is brought to you by Invisalign. Look at her. She did that. Ta-da. In college, I got Invisalign aligners because I wanted to actually look in the mirror and feel confident in my smile. I think that a smile is one of the best things that you can possibly have. I think one of the best things that you can put on is a smile. I'm not just saying that because it's like some old quote or something. I'm saying it because I truly believe that when you can smile and really mean it, like when it goes all the way up to your eyes because you're confident and you're happy and you're feeling joy, who doesn't want to see that? More importantly, who doesn't want to feel that? But let's talk about something beyond how your smile looks, taking care of it. And since we've already established that I take flossing very seriously, this part deserves a little attention. Invisalign aligners straighten teeth, making it easier to brush and floss,

• 0:45Kylie Kelce?

  reducing plaque and lowering the risk of cavities and gum disease. I have to be really careful to make sure that I'm keeping up with my oral hygiene because I have little muffins that watch me. And I need to make sure that they're modeling that same care for their own teeth. Back in college, I was thinking about how my smile would look. Now I appreciate that there's more to it than that. Look at her. Look at her. Ooh, she's cute. Look at her. Wow. And if you're thinking about starting your smile journey, make sure you're getting Invisalign aligners. Look for the star flower logo on every aligner so you know you're getting Invisalign, backed by experience and trusted by doctors. Find an Invisalign doctor near you today. This football season, whether you're buying tickets, booking travel,

• 1:28Kylie Kelce?

  or shopping for team gear, protect your pocket with Visa. Tapping to pay without checking which card? Not a pro move. Tapping to pay with Visa? That's a pro move. Visa runs more than 500 security checks to help identify fraud before transactions are approved. So you can focus your defensive energy on other things, like defending your nachos from your hungry, hungry husband. That might not be a pro move, but paying with Visa is. Visa, the most trusted way to pay for football fans everywhere. I'm not going to lie.

• 2:00Kylie Kelce?

  This sweatshirt is a 3X team issued to my husband. Why? Well, because nothing else fits. So.

• 2:16Kylie Kelce?

  Let's get this podcast started.

• 2:22Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original, brought to you by Liquid Death. Yep, sounds scary. It's not. It's just the most outstanding hydration in a crisp can. Nice and cool. They also have iced teas. Just saying. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I'm tall, I'm in Aries, I'm pretty sure, and I'm officially a minivan driver. Yep, it happened. Do I look pleased? It's actually a really smooth ride and the girls are so excited about the fact that the door's open without anyone touching them.

• 3:02Kylie Kelce?

  And they can climb in and out by themselves. And the positivity surrounding it is annoying, including my own. I don't want to talk about it. I'm not ready. Whatever. Coming up on today's episode, I was inspired by a TikTok that perfectly sums up being 38 weeks pregnant. So I'm going to share my personal late pregnancy challenges in doom scroll of the week. Then I'm going to be joined by someone I may just have the least business talking to in the entire world. The former first lady, Michelle Obama. We also have some NGL award news. Not Gonna Lie has officially won best emerging podcasts

• 3:45Kylie Kelce?

  at the iHeart Podcast Awards. See, I told you guys to vote for Caleb. But thank you so much. I am honored. I will say, as much as I was rooting for Caleb, the, our whole team at Not Gonna Lie and Wave, they deserve this recognition. So this is not, this is not a me thing. This is my team thing. Queen Emma, Queen Nicole, Greg, Brad, they're the people who won this award. So I really, um, yeah, it's, it's them. It's not me. I'm just...

• 4:28Kylie Kelce?

  The talking head. Moving on, this week, I doom scrolled my way to the perfect TikTok that sums up what it's really like to be 38 weeks pregnant. And as someone who is currently right in that area, let's just say this hits. From John Hartman 1 on TikTok. Queen Emma, roll the clip.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  I just cut my underwear off because I didn't want to take my pants off. And they are now in the trash.

• 4:55Kylie Kelce?

  That's perfectly logical. First of all, he thought he was doing something by trying to expose her and her really honestly smart and logical decision. Okay. He thought that he was going to be like, oh, people, this is absurd. And I haven't got, I didn't dive into those comments, but I'm going to let you know my own comments. Power to you, girl. You can always get another pair of underwear, but the idea of having to bend over to get it down past your knees, we're not doing some wiggle nonsense to get them down without really like, like getting them over your knees. Right?

• 5:37Kylie Kelce?

  There have been some ridiculous times that I've had during pregnancy that are similar to this. I can't say that I've ever cut off my underwear. But I have had times where I will disappear and come back in like a robe or a dress. And Jason will be like, why did you just change your clothes? And I have to explain to him that the feeling of anything touching my belly in a restrictive way, AKA a ban from pants or underwear is too much to bear. This is also right around the time as women that we start Googling ways to induce labor.

• 6:22Kylie Kelce?

  That's right. I've said it multiple times to anyone that I've spoken to. I'm doing sprints next week. You can't stop me. Fortunately for all the listeners, I have asked my OBs about the most common methods, stuff like drinking herbal teas, eating dates, acupuncture, spicy food. Oh, how I wish. I will say, my OBs have explicitly told me, no castor oil. So if that comes up on your induction suggestions, the ways to induce labor at home, opt out.

• 7:04Kylie Kelce?

  I'm going to tell you the reason I was told not to do that. Very simple, a simple explanation. I'm not going to get into it. You know what I mean. I was told it makes labor messy.

• 7:23Kylie Kelce?

  Ain't nobody got time for that. We're not doing that. Before I wrap up this segment, you're getting a doom scroll double feature because I doom scrolled my Instagram so hard, I landed on a photo of me. It seems to have resurfaced. I posted this years ago. But an Instagram account @kelseybrothers just reposted it with the caption, you think Travis and Jason are impressive? Meet baby Kylie. That's me. That's legitimately me. When I posted this photo, I posted it with the caption, a couple of weeks ago, my grandmother asked me, mind you, my grandmother, at this point in her life, had dementia. How big

• 8:06Kylie Kelce?

  were you when you came out? I told her that I was 12 pounds, one ounce, and showed her the picture, and she laughed and said, I knew you were huge. Thanks, meme. I weighed 12 pounds, one ounce when I came out, and this photo is not distorted. That is genuinely how round my face was and how little visibility I had. I have been told that at the time of my delivery, I, the doctor who delivered me, I was his largest baby he had ever delivered.

• 8:45Kylie Kelce?

  I have since been dethroned by a 14 pounder. I'm not bitter. I'm a little bitter. I want to talk to that mom. Really, I want to, I want to make sure she's okay.

• 8:58Kylie Kelce?

  My parents, I don't think were very surprised that I came out that large. My sister was nine, five and broke her collarbone on the way out. So the minute they told my mom that I was going to be bigger, my mom said, just, that's, that's a forward exit. That's an exit. You want you to just whoop, slice me open. I'm pretty sure that Jason, I don't know about Travis. I'm pretty sure that Jason was six pounds, some ounces. He was a little bit early. I want to say, I'm, I'm going to get this wrong, but I've heard conflicting stories from every, from Jason, Donna, and Ed.

• 9:41Kylie Kelce?

  So I'm just going to go with the, the, um, the average. I would say he was about two weeks early.

• 9:51Kylie Kelce?

  Don't quote me. I don't know about Travis either, but I do know that Travis was definitely like the chunk, in all their baby photos, was definitely like the chunkier kid, which clearly he stretched, he stretched out and same. So that second kid, uh, we're, we're built tough. Um, I, we had the same situation with Ellie. Wyatt was eight, seven. Ellie was eight, 13, and she was just built sturdy. And I swear that it was the universe trying to make sure that she could survive Wyatt. And I'm never gonna, I stand by that. And that does it for doom scroll of the week. You guys know that I'm

• 10:35Kylie Kelce?

  very passionate about charitable efforts. We've been trying to make sure that we can tie those in to, not gonna lie, and I'm not gonna lie, the best we could come up with for a segment name in a pinch, was charity and yap. That's right. I'm about to yap about a charity that I feel very strongly about, an event that is called the night of too many stars. And alongside that is an auction. Jason and I have, um, submitted an auction item. You can actually win.

• 11:08Kylie Kelce?

  I don't know if it's winning, but you can win an opportunity to go to dinner with Jason and I in Philadelphia. And if anyone knows about the food scene in Philadelphia, at the very least, it might be, you might be having dinner with two very dull individuals, but the food is guaranteed to be outstanding wherever we choose. The event night of Too Many Stars is a live comedy show benefiting autism programs all throughout the country. It benefits the foundation Next for Autism, started by the Smigel family in New York.

• 11:47Kylie Kelce?

  They have a personal connection to autism and the funds raised support Next for Autism's national grants programs focused on initiatives that support autistic adults in the areas of work, home, and social well-being. Anyone who works with the neurodiverse community knows that one of the most difficult transitions to make is from school age, which oftentimes will be until an individual is 21 years of age, and transitioning them out of school into the workforce or living independently. So Next for Autism makes it a point to support

• 12:28Kylie Kelce?

  that community. I have actually had the opportunity to attend the event last year. It was outstanding. The comedians that were there were so funny, and it was so encouraging to get into a room where so many people had dedicated their time and volunteered their humor for such an incredible cause, something that you guys know is very near and dear to my heart, and I am so happy to have another opportunity to support a foundation that is doing great work in the autism community. If you're in the New York area, the night of Too Many Stars is Monday, March 31st at the Beacon Theater. Tickets are still available.

• 13:12Kylie Kelce?

  We'll put the link in the description. And if you'd like to support a great cause, you can donate at nextforautism.org. Apart from their delicious, ice-cold, refreshing mountain water, the other thing I love the most about Liquid Death is how much they don't give a fuck if I swear during the ad. They don't care what I do. I'm chomping on gum like a cow. So Dad, Big Ed, plug your ears because I'm about to seize the fucking day and let the curse words fly. As I talked to you about, one of my favorite brands, Liquid Fucking Death. Damn, this feels good. They make funny ass commercials. The cans are cold as fucking

• 13:54Kylie Kelce?

  hell. The most badass way to drink water and stay hydrated is to drink Liquid Fucking Death. Liquid Death water doesn't fuck around. Liquid Death also doesn't fuck around when it comes to sugar. Their soda flavored sparkling water and iced teas have way less sugar than other brands and I shit you not. Their cans say, "Death to plastic" because Liquid Death cans are infinitely recyclable. Infinitely. Okay dad, you can come back. Liquid Death is available nationwide, literally fucking anywhere you shop for water or iced teas.

• 14:36Kylie Kelce?

  Sorry, I couldn't resist. Sorry again dad. And for all the not gonna lie listeners, they're giving $2 off any two six packs. Just go to liquiddeath.com/kylie for details. She's the former First Lady of the United States. She led public health and education initiatives like the Let's Move Campaign and Reach Higher. She's currently the founder of the Girls Opportunity Alliance. She's also an author, podcaster, wife, and a mother. I cannot believe I'm saying this right now. Michelle Obama, welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Kylie, look at you.

• 15:13Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not going to lie, Mrs. Obama, this is a pretty surreal moment for me. I feel like we manifested this a little bit.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  I think so. That's how it works, right?

• 15:24Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. But I have always been such a fan of just sort of the way that you carry yourself and it in sort of the election cycle and where it hit in my life.

• 15:42Kylie Kelce?

  It was like the first time I was able to register to vote at 18.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 15:47Kylie Kelce?

  Was the first election that I was able to vote for your husband, but then seeing you as a powerful figure alongside him as a partner was like such an outstanding image of like female empowerment. And I just remember that at like 18 years old, that it sits in my brain really heavily. So I'm so excited to get to talk to you. I want to start off by talking about something that you just announced and I'm so excited for you. You have a brand new podcast with your brother Craig called IMO.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Yes, I I'm following in your footsteps. I mean, you're killing the game out here.

• 16:25Kylie Kelce?

  I don't know about that, but we're just, we're winging it.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Well, that's the fun part of podcasting.

• 16:31Kylie Kelce?

  It is.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  It's, you know, this is the first time we've entered into the space in a major way. I did a podcast after my first book Becoming, which was really based more on

• 16:49Speaker 02

  the the sort of focus of the book, the story of of my life in the in the White House. But this is a bit different because it's a lot more free flowing. You know, IMO, it's it's in my opinion. So I mean, I think a lot like you, it's like folks have, you're finding they have a lot of questions. Times are uncertain. People are always looking for some kind of answers because I think we think someone's got wisdom out there.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  And it just, it's, it it eases our minds, I think, if we can just talk about this stuff.

• 17:28Kylie Kelce?

  Now, how far apart in age are you and your brother?

• 17:32Speaker 02

  We're about a year and a half, so we're really.

• 17:35Kylie Kelce?

  That's so awesome.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're we're we're close. We've been close from the very beginning and, you know, we also just lost our mom about a year ago. And so it's kind of strange that we are now the elders.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  You know, I mean, when you you lose both your parents and we were, we lost our dad earlier. We I we were both in our twenties when my dad died and my mom has held it down for us through all these crazy parts in our lives, you know, the White House years, um, you know, she got us through those years. Um, uh, but when you lose your your parent, you know, you're always kind of wondering what on earth do I know? My mom is not here anymore. And, you know, I don't know about you, but I I'm just now feeling kind of like an adult that knows something, you know, and I-

• 18:32Kylie Kelce?

  Does it not feel like it's all of the wisdom that she has imparted on you?

• 18:36Speaker 02

  It's there, but until you activate it, you don't realize that it's just been there brewing all along. Um, I find that I'm having that conversation with the girls now. I mean, my girls are, you know, they're adults, they're they're living on their own, if you can believe that, going from these little girls that people saw on the stage at the first inauguration. They're grown women in the world, but a lot of our conversation now is like, when do you feel like an adult? When does it happen? They think like, is there the magic switch that makes you say, yeah, I'm I'm adulting? And I was like, no.

• 19:14Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, I haven't. It's not there. I still I still, on my fourth child, I'm like, how am I old enough to have four kids?

• 19:23Speaker 02

  You know, and and when you leave the hospital with that baby, you think, are you guys for real? You're letting us?

• 19:31Kylie Kelce?

  No one's gonna monitor this?

• 19:32Speaker 02

  And you're gonna let us get in a car with this precious baby?

• 19:36Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  I I think the sadness or the postpartum that I felt with my kids really came from, like, you love these babies so much, you immediately you're connected. And you think, oh, my God, all you have is me.

• 19:51Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  I feel so bad for you. I wish you had a parent. You deserve more, because I don't know anything. And now I'm in charge.

• 20:03Kylie Kelce?

  This is like my inner dialogue.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  It is, you know, and you're doing it a fourth time. I just had to stop, you know, I was like, I think, you know, I think I've been lucky with these two, I, you know, Barack was like, we should have a third. And I was like, dude.

• 20:17Kylie Kelce?

  Well, two good sleepers, I'd call it too.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  You know, I'm thinking, we're gonna get a crazy one.

• 20:22Kylie Kelce?

  That's it.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  It's just the roll of the dice. So I, I, you know, I admire your courage. You're on number four, you know, and you know, you know, you know, you, you, you don't know what you're gonna get.

• 20:33Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, it's always a toss up. I call our first initiation because she didn't sleep for the first six months of her life unless she was touching another human being. I'm like, maybe that's why I keep going. I'm like, that was bad. I got through it.

• 20:49Kylie Kelce?

  It's, it's, that is, yeah, it is always a toss up. You're like, I don't know what this one's gonna be like.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:56Kylie Kelce?

  We're gonna, we're about to find out.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  And they show you pretty early and they're like, mm hmm.

• 21:01Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, right away.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  I have an attitude.

• 21:04Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. Our oldest, I still remember the second day in the hospital, we had all of our, all the grandparents were in the room and she just decided to let her rip. She was screaming at the top of her lungs and I was laying in the bed as a first time mom, like, uh, how do I stop it?

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Where's the off button here?

• 21:24Kylie Kelce?

  And all the grandparents were like, and no one knew what, they were like, do we intervene? What happens here? It was, and that was the moment I was like, oh, mm hmm. Yep.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  No one knows what they're doing.

• 21:37Kylie Kelce?

  No, but she's taught me a level of patience I didn't know I had. And she's like, she's gonna rule the world. She's, she's gonna, yeah, I'm excited to see what she does.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you have girls too, all girls.

• 21:50Kylie Kelce?

  All girls.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  That's because that's what your husband deserved.

• 21:54Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Something in his life. That's what I told Barack. It was like, you know, the karma was like, dude, you need a bunch of women in your life to take care of you.

• 22:03Kylie Kelce?

  Smack you around.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  That's it. No, to do a little smacking around.

• 22:06Kylie Kelce?

  When I say take care of you, I mean like handle you. Yes, like handle you. Um, people kept sending me a clip online. Someone, uh, there was a news outlet that did a report on girl dads and how they live longer.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:23Kylie Kelce?

  And I was like, of course they do.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  They, they.

• 22:25Kylie Kelce?

  They have women being like, are you serious right now?

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Are you going out like that?

• 22:31Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. What are you doing?

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Are you gonna say that?

• 22:32Kylie Kelce?

  Are you okay?

• 22:35Kylie Kelce?

  Get it together. Yep. That's, yeah. He now has five of us.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. That's right. He and Barack need to talk.

• 22:44Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. No, you of course raised your daughters in the White House.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:50Kylie Kelce?

  I don't know about you, but my kids draw on the couches, the walls, uh, the stairs, everywhere. Did you have any moments in the White House where like your girls were true kids? Um, and you were like, oh crap.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, but well, because you know, they spent, they've lived in the White House longer than they lived anywhere. I mean, you real, they grew up in the White House. All right. So you, you're thinking the little years, like when you have full control, the younger years, when you have control and the, the worst thing that they do is write on a wall.

• 23:29Kylie Kelce?

  Draw on surfaces.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. My, my kids were teenagers in the White House. I mean, those years were just like, okay.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  You want to go where and do what? And there's prom and you've got to learn how to drive and you have to be normal and you're going to a party and was there alcohol and you have agents? And now you have a boyfriend and, uh, and trying to do all that, right? And allow them to be normal kids, right? Just, you know, just, just the process of making sure they knew how to drive when they are, have been driven by men in armored cars with guns, you know, because they have full, they had full details.

• 24:14Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Their whole life. Um, and so I'm trying to make sure because at the end of this eight years, they don't, that, you know, they don't continue to live that life. So when we entered, I'm thinking, how do I make sure that they're normal and ready when this is all over?

• 24:34Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  And they have to get on a bus and make their own plane reservations and live in an apartment and have decent friends and be sane in the world. And you start realizing that in the teen years because I wanted to give my girls enough rope to live and be normal teenagers. But I was also worrying about them turning up on page six because they were doing what normal kids would do.

• 25:02Kylie Kelce?

  Without that many eyes on them.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  Without that many eyes on them and they grew up in with social media, which was different from any other of the younger kids who had grown up in the White House. When you think of Chelsea and Amy Carter and even the Bush daughters who were in college. But it was really Chelsea and Amy who were kids. But there wasn't social media, right? There weren't cameras everywhere, you know? Every party that they'd go to, you know? We'd have to build a real community of trust around them so that because I didn't want them sitting home on Saturday night, not understanding what it was like to be out and have a life before they went to college, right?

• 25:47Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  So it was really those years, you know?

• 25:51Kylie Kelce?

  That were the stressful ones.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  I mean, it was like.

• 25:53Kylie Kelce?

  Forget the crayon on the wall.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  I'll take some crayon on the wall, you know?

• 25:57Kylie Kelce?

  A magic eraser will handle that.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  And I think Sasha was driving one time because I, once they got their license, I told the agents, they have to drive, you know? I'm sorry, but you only learn to drive by driving.

• 26:14Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  You can't learn it through osmosis in the backseat of an armored car. So once they got their license, we, we, we got a car for them. And then the agents had to figure out they have to follow this teenager now to school, to parties, to, and it worked out, but one time Sasha got T-boned.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Literally, her car totaled, some lady T-boned her. And you get this call that Sasha was in an accident, the car was totaled. And then I thought, ooh, I hope the lady that hit her is okay. Because you imagine, right?

• 26:48Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Like, you T-bone, like Sasha Obama.

• 26:52Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  And then their agents. So I'm also like thinking about them in the world, right?

• 26:57Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  So, you know, the day to day kind of challenges that any parent has with teenagers. We had it on a hundred.

• 27:07Kylie Kelce?

  Amplified.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Right?

• 27:08Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So I longed for the days when, you know.

• 27:13Kylie Kelce?

  I do not envy that.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Just right on the wall, will you? We can wash that off, you know? I just, I just was, I was so glad when we got out of the White House, not, you know? It was just like, I wanted them to have the freedom of not having the, the eyes of the world on them. I mean, they still are dealing with paparazzi and being who they are and trying to, you know, cover up their own identity. But they got a lot of practice in those years in the White House. And so when people ask me, would I ever run? The answer is no. Uh, you know, I mean, you, you, then if you ask me that, then you have absolutely no idea the, the sacrifice that your kids make when your parents are in that role.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Not, not only am I not interested in politics in that way, but the thought of like putting my girls back into that, you know, that spotlight when they are just now establishing themselves. It's like, you know, okay, I think we've, we've done enough. Question asked and answered, never going to happen, right?

• 28:21Kylie Kelce?

  That's such a true mom answer that like, you're like, how will this impact the, really, your kids?

• 28:30Speaker 02

  And they've already been in, you know, they've already served their time, right?

• 28:35Kylie Kelce?

  In very formative years. And you were very tactical about how you approached that. And so to then do it again would be.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  You know?

• 28:45Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  It'd be, it would be unthinkable.

• 28:49Kylie Kelce?

  Nope. Nope.

• 28:54Kylie Kelce?

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• 28:59Kylie Kelce?

  It's because it's in a can, honestly. It's so refreshing and stays so much colder. I'm convinced. But Liquid Death has more than just water. They also have a ton of great soda flavored sparkling waters and low calorie iced teas. Speaking of which, another reason why I fucking love this brand. Their drinks have the best names. I have a list in front of me of every flavor, so I'm gonna do what any normal sports fan would do with a list and we're gonna rank them. Within the soda flavored sparkling water, Dr. Death. I mean, does it get more aggressive than that? Squeezed to Death also is a great one. And let's be real, Killer Cola. Get straight

• 29:42Kylie Kelce?

  for it. In terms of the teas, I personally really enjoy Reston Peach. I think it sounds dark and delightful all at the same time. And Slaughterberry, because if you can put the name Slaughter in anything, I feel like you've next leveled, like leveled up, achieved greatness. Slaughterberry. They actually printed that on a can. Just outstanding. Liquid Death is available nationwide, literally anywhere you shop for water or iced tea. And for all the Not Gonna Lie listeners, that's right, bargains. They're giving $2 off any two six

• 30:25Kylie Kelce?

  packs. Just go to liquiddeath.com/kylie for details. One of the reasons you're someone I look up to so much is because you're the perfect example of a woman making a name for herself beyond what her husband does for work. So,

• 30:41Kylie Kelce?

  I'm such a supporter of your Let's Move campaign and the work you did to promote healthy eating and exercise for kids because obviously, being someone who was physically active growing up, I really saw a point in eating healthy, fueling your body and focusing on just moving.

• 30:59Kylie Kelce?

  Why was that cause so important to you?

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I experienced the challenges in this environment of fast food and more sedentary lifestyles and all that my generation of parents were facing that was new, that was leading to a childhood obesity crisis. It was was real and I saw it early on as a as a working mom with my husband traveling. You know, he was a state senator when the kids were little, then he was a US senator.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  So he was, he would, like you, you know, I had a husband that had to travel a lot and I had a full-time job. So when you're a single, when, not a single parent, but when you're, you know,

• 31:53Kylie Kelce?

  We called football season, single parent season.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  You know, right, as a political season, single parent, right?

• 32:00Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  You know, you're you're relying on juice boxes, doing a lot of processed stuff, trying to get things quick and and easy. And I saw the effects on my daughter, primarily Malia at the time. Because her, you know, her, the doctors were saying, whoa, let's, let's make sure that we're thinking about her diet in a way that I hadn't, you know, I was buying what was being sold to me. Right? The conveniences of parenthood, right? And that had an effect. So we started making changes that were really simple, you know? No sugary drinks. We had the kids drinking milk and water. They were always active.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  We cut out all processed foods, you know? No more cheese dust in a box, you know? If if you were going to have macaroni and cheese, it would be real pasta, real cheese. You know, just small, common changes. And within months, her health numbers flipped.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  And I thought, oh, my God, here I am, this highly educated person out in the world with all these degrees, and I didn't realize that we were facing this kind of dilemma. And I thought, now, this would, this should be something that everyone should be able to get behind, creating a healthier generation. Because I was also thinking about my platform, and it's like, OK, I don't want to do something divisive. My husband's going to be pushing health care. I was trying to be strategic about aligning my agenda with something that was important to the West Wing. And I thought, there's no way that anyone is going to take issue with trying to make

• 33:49Speaker 02

  school lunches healthier, you know, getting kids more active, you know, really just trying to make the next generation healthier than ours. And, boy, was I wrong, which is really interesting in these times with the current, you know, Secretary of Health and Human Services, who is now saying some of the same things that I was saying. But it became a partisan issue. You know, people were telling me that, you know, I'm trying to be the nanny state, and I'm trying to control what our kids are eating, and telling them what's good for them and what's not good for them. Now, eventually, we got a lot done.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  You know, we were able to improve the nutrition standards, the labels, so that they were more readable, so that people, parents, could really understand the breakdown of fat and sugar. And it was clear, we got the school nutrition standards improved in our schools for the first time in like 50 years. There hadn't been any updates. And we were really focused on making it fun, getting kids active, reminding parents that, you know, we got to make exercise fun. So we had a lot of amazing partnerships with the NFL, and, you know, we broke the Guinness World Record.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  I planted a garden to, you know, try to get people more focused on making vegetables a little more fun and interesting for kids. So, but it was all about really dealing with a real health crisis that, at the time, a lot of people didn't take seriously.

• 35:29Kylie Kelce?

  I think it also is So important to take your own life experience to see that switch with Malia. And it makes that sort of messaging and effort more authentic. And I feel like people can tell when you authentically feel passionate about something.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 35:51Kylie Kelce?

  So that, I mean, I, I still remember the different initiatives you guys did and, and programs you put in place for specifically like movement and getting consecutive and definitely remember all of the school lunch changes.

• 36:07Kylie Kelce?

  Because they were obvious.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  I think your generation talks about nutrition and movement in a way that my generation didn't, especially as women, you know?

• 36:17Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  No one focused on us as real athletic beings when I was coming up.

• 36:23Kylie Kelce?

  Yep.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  And that has totally changed. And I'm so, so happy to see folks like you benefiting from Title IX and really embracing all of who you are, your power, your strength, you know?

• 36:37Kylie Kelce?

  It, it feeds into all of the things that are happening right now with women in sports. Specifically, you have, obviously, that, that women are more encouraged to participate in sports. But then on top of that, the way that we're able to talk about food in conjunction with that, the way it nourishes our bodies, the way it fuels you to be able to have the energy to play your sport. And then also the way it fuels your body in a way that we're not trying to be slender or slim or fit in a certain size, that we're trying to be strong, powerful, athletic, finessed individuals.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:12Kylie Kelce?

  To be able to perform our sport and do what we love. And so it's, I mean, these are, those let's move initiatives are directly impacting the way the conversation has been steered up to this point and the direction we're headed in. Raising four girls right now and knowing that those conversations are happening because you started those conversations then is such a beautiful thing. It really.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  We just have to make sure we don't backslide on this stuff, right? I mean, because. It can, it can happen in the blink of the, the eye, uh, where the, we turn back the clock on a lot of this stuff and we're really thinking about your girls, right?

• 37:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  You know, we, they should have more opportunity than we have. They should have more knowledge, more information. And this is something that I don't care what your political party is, but as women, as mothers, as parents, we've got to be mindful of what some of this rhetoric might do, um, to turn the clock back on a lot of really important, important progress, to give girls, you know, acknowledge the power and the leadership that are inherent in, in, in all of our kids, especially our girls.

• 38:32Kylie Kelce?

  Absolutely. Uh, this episode is brought to you by Invisalign. Look at her. She did that. Ta-da. In college, I got Invisalign aligners because I wanted to actually look in the mirror and feel confident in my smile. I think that a smile is one of the best things that you can possibly have. I think one of the best things that you can put on is a smile. I'm not just saying that because it's like some old quote or something. I'm saying it because I truly believe that when you can smile and really mean it, like when it goes all the way up to your eyes because you're confident and you're happy and you're feeling joy, who doesn't want to see that? More importantly, who doesn't want to feel that? But let's talk about something beyond how your smile looks, taking care of it. And since we've already established that I take flossing very seriously, this part

• 39:14Kylie Kelce?

  deserves a little attention. Invisalign aligners straighten teeth, making it easier to brush and floss, reducing plaque and lowering the risk of cavities and gum disease. I have to be really careful to make sure that I'm keeping up with my oral hygiene because I have little muffins that watch me and I need to make sure that they're modeling that same care for their own teeth. Back in college, I was thinking about how my smile would look. Now I appreciate that there's more to it than that. Look at her. Look at her. Ooh, she's cute. Look at her. Wow. And if you're thinking about starting your smile journey, make sure you're getting Invisalign aligners. Look for the star flower logo on every aligner. So you know you're getting Invisalign, backed by experience and trusted by doctors. Find an Invisalign doctor near you today.

• 39:59Kylie Kelce?

  Um, now I've been looking forward to talking to you about something we have in common. Uh, we are both 5' 11".

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  What I say, normal height.

• 40:11Kylie Kelce?

  Well, it's funny. I have a friend who's about five, four and she wears a size like six shoe or something. And whenever we would joke around about it, she's like, I'm average size. And I'm like, okay.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  You're, you're we.

• 40:23Kylie Kelce?

  You're tiny. My mom's only five foot two. My grandmother was like four, nine and even smaller. My dad is six, nine.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  Oh, whoa, whoa.

• 40:34Kylie Kelce?

  Hard over correct.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Oh, and you know, I'm not gonna lie. Doesn't it irritate you when the we people take the, the tall guys?

• 40:42Kylie Kelce?

  Do you know the number of conversations?

• 40:44Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 40:46Kylie Kelce?

  My sister's five, nine. I'm five, 11. When we were in high school, we would always complain about, well, this, this girl's like five feet tall and she's dating a guy who's six, five. You can't save that for us. And my mom would always be like, hello, excuse me.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  See, I don't know. I would have, I would have some issues with your mom. I'd be like.

• 41:06Kylie Kelce?

  We gave, we gave it to her. Let me tell you, she did not come out unscathed.

• 41:12Kylie Kelce?

  But she would always stand up for herself and it's, you know what? To be fair.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Self. She'd stand on her toes.

• 41:18Kylie Kelce?

  That's it.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Look up and say, hey.

• 41:20Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. Now, I always talk about how being tall shaped me growing up. But I'd love to hear more about your experience. Were you always comfortable with your height? And like, was that a, like, where did that start? Or was it something you had to learn and grow into?

• 41:37Speaker 02

  I, I think it's a little bit of both. Um, uh, I was always kind of a tomboy being the, having a big brother. I was always trying to keep up and I always found what the boys were doing were more interesting. Right? And we had cousins who were two boys that we were close with, some of our favorites. And so I'm the only girl and my father raised me. It's like, if Craig is learning how to do something, you're gonna learn it too. So my dad was a boxer. Um, so he got us both boxing gloves because he was like, you're gonna learn how to punch. And I had, he had, Craig had his larger sized boxing gloves

• 42:21Speaker 02

  and I had my little ones and we'd do these spars and I, you know. I could always hit him harder. Um, so, you know, I was fast. I love to run, you know, I just, I, so I was taught to embrace that part of me, you know, so in my home, I felt like I felt tall. I felt proud, but then you go out into the world, right? Um, and you know, before Title IX, being a sporty girl wasn't a thing, right? Like, what do you do? I don't think there was any place for my parents to put that gift, that interest, right? I took dance lessons. I was trying to be more girly and girly meant

• 43:04Speaker 02

  you were smaller than the guys. And then as you got older, you found that, you know, guys would be lying about their height, especially because I grew up in basketball culture, right?

• 43:15Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  My, my brother played everything, right? So, you know, and I dated a lot of guys on his team, you know, because those are the guys I were meeting. So I would meet some taller guys, but they were always lying about their height.

• 43:31Kylie Kelce?

  A roster height is at least two inches.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  For men, it's like six, two.

• 43:36Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  You are not six, two, not if I'm five, 11.

• 43:39Kylie Kelce?

  We're eye to eye, dude.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  We're eye to eye, you know, maybe, maybe you're six, but that's six, that roster height.

• 43:46Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Boy, you know, so I look at somebody's roster height and then, so they try to make us feel crazy. Like, oh, you, you're not five, 11. It's like, no, I'm exactly five, 11.

• 43:58Kylie Kelce?

  I have no reason to lie about my height.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  As an adult, I have now grown to, to love it, but I came up in a generation that like there weren't the, there wasn't the tall size, right? So the worst thing about being tall without the tall sizes is this, the pulling up your sleeve because your sleeves are too short.

• 44:19Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  You know, everything is just a little too short.

• 44:22Kylie Kelce?

  You always look like you're expecting a flood.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  You know, exactly. And I'm just sort of like, come on, people, a couple of more inches because the, the littler ones can hem their pants.

• 44:32Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. I always told people when they Told me they were envious of my height. I would always say, well, careful what you wish for, because I can't chop off my feet and make my pants fit, but you could wear heels and have your pants fit. Yes.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  And I love a heel, right?

• 44:49Kylie Kelce?

  I do not shy away, especially in my adult life. I do not shy away from a heel.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  My girls don't either. They're like, you, they've got to get over it, you know? So, oh, Sasha loves a big chunky heel. And, oh, Malia too. They love their big chunky boots.

• 45:05Kylie Kelce?

  Good. I do make it a point whenever I meet tall girls, especially younger girls, who, who you can tell are just sort of like, they have the slight roll to the shoulders. They're trying to look an inch or two shorter. I'm like, stand up straight.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Stand up straight. The other thing that's hard, like especially when I see myself in conversations with people, I still have that because I'm trying to hear them.

• 45:30Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yes.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Yep. So you're with, so you're, now you're tall and people are talking.

• 45:35Kylie Kelce?

  A mile away.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  There's a conversation going on down there.

• 45:38Kylie Kelce?

  Yep.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  And you're like, I'm sorry, I can't hear. It's not traveling up. So I find myself in pictures, I'm leaning over.

• 45:47Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  And I hate that, but I can't hear them down there.

• 45:50Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. I also find that oftentimes if I'm talking to someone shorter, I will physically take a step back so that it doesn't feel like I'm.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Like just hovering over like, I'm going to eat you alive.

• 46:01Kylie Kelce?

  Exactly. Fee fi fo fo. Yes. I cannot thank you enough for getting on today and chatting. It has been such a pleasure.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Oh, the pleasure is all mine.

• 46:13Kylie Kelce?

  I am so excited.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  You're doing this thing, really, truly. And, and I'm here for you. I think what you're doing and how you were showing up in the world is, is just what we need right now. So it is.

• 46:29Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  It is truly, truly a pleasure. We will do this again because we didn't even scratch the surface of all that we talk about and just keep being you.

• 46:40Kylie Kelce?

  Well, everyone can check you out, you and Craig out on IMO. It's available on YouTube or anywhere you get your podcasts. I cannot wait to tune in.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Give me some tips when you hear, you know, let me know.

• 46:54Kylie Kelce?

  I'll tell you, I think everybody knows the other podcasts in our household, I love a sibling podcast. Because there's nothing, there's nothing like that connection you have with your siblings.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, no one can give me shit like my brother.

• 47:08Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. That's it. That's, and that's what we need.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  That's right. That's what we need. Right.

• 47:13Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Thank you and good luck. Keep me posted.

• 47:17Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. I need it.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Number four, I want to know who she is. Right? Can't wait.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Take care.

• 47:24Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much again to Michelle Obama for joining me today. You can check out her new podcast, IMO, every week on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. And you can find even more clips on my YouTube channel on More Ship Monday. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe.

• 47:49Kylie Kelce?

  It's a miracle I can say any word. All of the blood in my body is going to my uterus and not my brain. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by Liquid Death. Thank you guys again for tuning in.

• 48:20Kylie Kelce?

  Today's episode is brought to you by Invisalign. Look at her. She did that. Ta-da. In college, I got Invisalign aligners because I wanted to actually look in the mirror and feel confident in my smile. I think that a smile is one of the best things that you can possibly have. I think one of the best things that you can put on is a smile. I'm not just saying that because it's like some old quote or something. I'm saying it because I truly believe that when you can smile and really mean it, like when it goes all the way up to your eyes because you're confident and you're happy and you're feeling joy, who doesn't want to see that? More importantly, who doesn't want to feel that? But let's talk about something beyond how your smile looks, taking care of it. And since we've already established that I take flossing very seriously, this part deserves a little attention.

• 49:02Kylie Kelce?

  Invisalign aligners, straighten teeth, making it easier to brush and floss, reducing Plaque and lowering the risk of cavities and gum disease. I have to be really careful to make sure that I'm keeping up with my oral hygiene because I have little muffins that watch me and I need to make sure that they're modeling that same care for their own teeth. Back in college, I was thinking about how my smile would look. Now I appreciate that there's more to it than that. Look at her. Look at her. Oh, she's cute. Look at her. Wow. And if you're thinking about starting your smile journey, make sure you're getting Invisalign aligners. Look for the star flower logo on every aligner so you know you're getting Invisalign, backed by experience and trusted by doctors. Find an Invisalign doctor near you today.