From Virgo Suns to Venus Vibes: Keke Gets Read by Chani Nicholas

You probably already know that Keke and Sharon share the same sun sign—MAJOR Virgo vibes between those two. And sure, you might know a bit about your own sun sign, but how can astrology reveal our purpose in life and the unique bonds we share with loved ones? Chani Nicholas joins us to get into all that and more celestial secrets from her book “You Were Born for This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance.” She doesn’t hold back as she breaks down Keke’s full birth chart—love life advice included. Then, just when you thought things couldn’t get any more cosmic, Sharon joins in for a special astrological reading that unpacks the one-of-a-kind connection she and Keke share that goes way beyond their shared sun sign. Let’s just say, the stars are definitely aligned for this conversation. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:05Keke Palmer?

  Hey listeners, I hope y'all are feeling fantastic. It's your girl, Keke Palmer, and you probably already know what's happening today. We're about to get deep and cosmic with it. Today's episode is all about astrology and how the stars can guide us through life's twists and turns. And who better to help us navigate all that than one of my favorite astrologers, Chani Nicholas? She's here to share her unique insight into how we can find radical self-acceptance through astrology and how astrology can help guide us through things like our careers, love, and motherhood. So let's get into it because, baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 1:10Keke Palmer?

  I am absolutely over the moon, the sun, and the stars for today's guest. You might follow her on TikTok or Instagram, or you might have seen her on the Netflix show Explained, or maybe you've read her work as the resident astrologer for Oprah Magazine. She also has a beautiful book out called You Were Born For This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance. Chani Nicholas, welcome to the show.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's so good to be here.

• 1:37Keke Palmer?

  It's so good to be here talking to you because we've spoken before about some astrology stuff on some other thing we did. And then I saw you at the LGBTQ+ Center for the gala that they had, but I never had you on Baby This is Keke Palmer. I'm so happy to have you and to really get into the nitty-gritty because anybody who knows me knows I love astrology.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  We love that.

• 1:59Keke Palmer?

  So have you been?

• 2:00Speaker 01

  I've been good, busy. You?

• 2:02Keke Palmer?

  I've been busy too, working. There's a lot that's been going on this year. You know, for me, this is my first year of almost completion into my 30s and this new decade and era for myself. And I feel so many exciting changes that I'm excited to hear if they have anything to do with my astrological stuff at the moment. Um, but first, I kind of want to talk to you about what astrology means to you, kind of what, what has driven you to have this be kind of your thing or your skill, right? Because I think I've been talking a lot about how we all show up in different ways. Like for me, it's entertainment, but ultimately I just want to connect to people. I want to share in the emotions that we all have that we sometimes can't get to. And I think storytelling is a way

• 2:44Keke Palmer?

  that I choose to do that. Um, and I think we all do that with our purpose. There's like something that we all are connecting to and we showcase it in different ways. So for you with astrology, what was the connection? What drew you to it?

• 2:56Speaker 01

  I love that you say that because it's so your chart. If you want to get into that later, we can, but.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  But.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  You know, for me, it was like, it was more that astrology chose me, I think.

• 3:09Keke Palmer?

  Ooh.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  I really tried to not do it for a long time. I really, I didn't want to do it. It felt like too niche. It felt like too on the margins. It was like, that's not a real career. Like what is this? And it was just like my constant friend. And as soon as I really fully turned to it, or every time I even sort of turned to it, things would start to come alive in my life and things would start to work out. So it just became this path that kept opening up for me and to me and helped me to open up, I think, more to life and all of the opportunities. So I finally stopped being so resistant to it and just like gave in to it.

• 3:48Keke Palmer?

  Well, that speaks to the title of your book. You Were Born For This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance. And in the book, you write, "The first time I encountered astrology was the first time I remember feeling seen." What was that experience? What happened that that finally resonated with you?

• 4:03Speaker 01

  You know, I grew up with a lot of adults that were very consumed in their own drama and their own stuff, like a lot of us do. And I grew up with a lot of addiction. And I grew up around a lot of people that were just like busy partying and having a good time. And so the first time I went to an astrologer was the first time I felt like someone actually was witnessing me and could actually see me. And it was such a riveting experience that I was like, what is this thing that this person is doing? And they also read everybody else in my family. Like, we all went for a big family reading. And they were able to articulate the differences between each of us. And it was really specific stuff.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  And it explained me to myself and explained my stepsister to me and my dad and my stepmom. And it helped me to parse it all out. So it just gave me like a framework for seeing myself and other people and my relationship to them and our relationships together in a whole different way.

• 5:01Keke Palmer?

  So what do you say to somebody that's listening to this and like, oh, it's all generalizations? And also even people with faithful backgrounds where there's this idea of, and not even this idea, but really, truly this belief that, well, how can this say, this is my destiny and this is what's designed for me? How do you kind of, and I don't even say combat that, but balance that with what astrology means? And the way that it kind of tells you who you are or who you're gonna be?

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, you know, if we think like religiously or spiritually, if some great creative force, some might call that God or the universe or what have you, brings everything into being, then everything in the natural world is actually connected to us. And astrology is a way of looking in a mirror. You don't have to use it. If you don't like it, you should move on and find something that works for you. Like, not everyone should believe in it. It's not something that is for everybody. I don't think anything should be. It would be weird if we all believed in the same thing. I don't want to live in that world. So I like people that don't like astrology. I think it's great. But it's just like, there's some things in life that if you pay attention to them,

• 6:11Speaker 01

  you start to see something that appears as if it is intelligent all on its own. And I think if you study nature, even if you just go into the pure, if you want to call it that, science of it, there's an intelligence that is manifest in every speck, every piece of DNA, every molecule of everything. And we know through, you know, whatever view you want to take scientifically, that the world is speaking to itself, that there is a orchestration of shapes and colors.

• 6:43Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  And everything is purposeful.

• 6:46Keke Palmer?

  And to me, it all ties in. Like, I don't think that there's one over there. I feel this way about physics, science, astrology, spirituality. As somebody growing up in the church, I feel that everything is like speaking the same thing, but just with different languages. And you're right, it don't have to be for you. That's why we have all these different things. But the cool part about it for me that I found, which maybe is what you're speaking to with that subtitle of astrology for the radical self-acceptance, because sometimes when you're reading all the stuff, it almost enhances your choice and your sense of options. Because you say, well, if naturally I might be a little bit this or a little bit that, that makes me more self-aware. So when I find myself in certain situations, I can kind of remember that and say, well, maybe I should make a different choice. That's how I often think of it.

• 7:31Keke Palmer?

  I don't think that astrology takes your choices away. Personally, I feel like it actually makes you a little bit more objective, if you look at it that way.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it should deepen your relationship to yourself and your life and what you need to do and how to be of service. And if it's not doing that, I think maybe it's being misinterpreted. If you feel like it's making you like less aware or more afraid, then perhaps it's not the astrology that's for you. You know, like perhaps it's not such a good fit, or the people you're getting it from are doing it a disservice.

• 8:05Keke Palmer?

  Yes. Now, before we get into my, you know, to, I want to hear what you've seen or you've found out about me these days. Uh, the last question I'll ask before we get into that is kind of how you would break down the sun, the moon and the rising, the kind of the big three or the, the usage of the totality of the chart? Because as we all know now, I think it's become more conversational that your sun sign isn't the only sign that represents the many different facets of you. So for the people that are listening that maybe don't, you know, know all that stuff and they're interested or just want to hear us talk about it, how would you describe that big three and its importance?

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the rising sign is the most personal part of your chart because it's literally what part of the sky was rising up over the eastern horizon, the moment you were pronounced born, in the exact location that you were in. So it's so specific to you because it changes every couple of hours. So the rising sign is always moving, but the sun doesn't change sign more than once every 30 days and the moon changes sign once every two and a half days. So your rising sign is the sign that tells us what you're motivated to do in this life. The sun tells us the style within which you shine and the moon tells us the ways in which you go about making your life purpose real and manifest

• 9:26Speaker 01

  on this earth. So can we take you as an example?

• 9:30Keke Palmer?

  Yes, yes, yes. I'm excited. My favorite thing talking about me.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  So you're born with a cancer rising?

• 9:39Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  So your motivation is to get people to feel your motive, which I think is something that you just said at the opening of the show. Your motivation is to initiate us into feeling something. It's not neutral. It's like, hey, I'm gonna hit you right here or right in the gut. Like, that's where I'm going. And it's not vindictive. It's very much like, I want you to feel this thing. And not only that, but you had Venus, the planet of love, relationship, but art and artistry and creating art and being creative. She's like the great lover goddess. She's right on your ascendant. She was, if we looked over to the eastern horizon, that's

• 10:25Speaker 01

  the planet that would be rising up and she would have been such a bright, gorgeous, spectacular, like diamond in the sky. So you have this mark of being super blessed by the goddess, by the planet, however you want to see it, by the planet of art and love and beauty. And so your thing is to come in and make connections by getting people to feel and mostly using art as your vehicle, or using the creation of beautiful things as your vehicle. And that is your motivation for a living. That is why you came here. That's what your chart says, like, just off the top. It's like, hey.

• 11:02Keke Palmer?

  That's insane.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  This is how you, so if you were born into a family that was like, only math, only science, not that you're not good at math and science, because all that Virgo is like, you're very good at being precise about a lot of things. You're great at being an orator, like, that's for sure. But your need to self-express and to create beauty and to be in the process of making art is like, it is so pronounced. It was so pronounced in the sky. Like, the ancient astrologers would have walked outside after you were born and been like, oh, Venus is rising. So this little one is gonna bring something beautiful and want to connect with a lot of people. It's like a deep desire to connect with the world. And then it gives

• 11:48Speaker 01

  us the planet that steers the direction of your life, which is your moon. So you have this, like, you know, Cancer rising can be almost kind of shy. You're almost, like, it's very sensitive.

• 11:58Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  This is a very deeply feeling human being who's motivated to feel really deeply. But the way you express that is through a optimistic, loud, gregarious.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Boisterous moon in Sagittarius that will not quit. And your moon is in the sixth house. So the ways in which you express all that beauty and art and wanting to like connect to people is through hard fucking work. Cause your moon is in the sixth house of work. And you were like, look, I have endless enthusiasm and endless energy to get this done.

• 12:34Keke Palmer?

  Yes. Because it must be done, Jenny. It must be done.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  But it's with so much enthusiasm. So it's very different than your Cancer rising, right? Like your Cancer rising feels everything. You're very values driven because that Venus on the ascendant is like, this is what I value. And this is how I'm going to connect to people. And then your moon in Sagittarius is like, okay, let's do it through all of these different work projects. I will have 754 because your moon is in what we call a mutable sign, which likes to do at least two things at once, if not 74.

• 13:09Keke Palmer?

  That's crazy.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  And then your sun is in Virgo and your Mercury is also in Virgo. So you're very analytical. You're very like, let me come correct. Let me get the data. Let me get the details.

• 13:22Keke Palmer?

  Live for data.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  It's in the third house of kikiing. It's in the third house of communications.

• 13:30Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  It's in the third house of podcasts. It's in the third house of, I got something to tell you and I'm going to tell it to you. And you're going to be like, wow, I didn't know that. And you're going to be like, I know, I, I know a lot of things because I'm really intelligent and very hardworking. And the thing I love about this setup for you, because I was reading like one of the first like breakthrough movies that you had was Aquila and the Bee, correct?

• 13:54Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Okay. So is Virgo a sign that especially in the third house of communication and possibly like spelling things, communicating things? A sign that would want to get things right?

• 14:07Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  Okay. The bee is actually.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  Associated with Venus because Venus is the planet associated with honey and flowers and roses and bees because that's part of the goddess's thing. So you literally have like the planet. So Beyonce has, you know, Venus in Libra in her first house and she's the queen bee. And so you have that planet that's its signature is honey and bees and flowers. It's on your ascendant. So it's like the mark of your life. So I just love that that first kind of like breakthrough role was literally, you could kind of spell it out with your astrology.

• 14:46Keke Palmer?

  That is so insane. And I don't believe things like that are coincidental. Like, I do feel like sometimes like the universe, God is being like wink, wink, or a little gag here and there.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, right? She's funny.

• 14:59Keke Palmer?

  That's how I choose to think of it.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:01Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 15:10Keke Palmer?

  So obviously with the astrology, there is a time and place for everything, like it continues to move, like different periods of your life are affected in different ways. So I'm curious of what it's saying now.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Okay, so there are some big things that, you know, just kind of ended, like you've finished up your Saturn return in like March of 2020. Yeah, so that was like a year and a bit ago. What is just leaving, like just, just, just, is Pluto opposing your Venus. So Pluto's, this will only happen once in a lifetime. It won't happen for everybody because Pluto is such a slow moving planet. It's a planet of transformation and letting things go and going through a whole kind of process. And Venus is a planet of relationships and again, of art. And so this would have been a time over the past, you know, like two years. Again, it's finishing for good. It's finishing for good.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  On November 19th, it's done, done, done, gone, gone, gone. But these past couple of years would have been like a kind of reckoning and a unveiling of the deeper lessons that

• 16:20Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  you were learning in terms of all kinds of partnerships, not just romantic. We're talking about artistic partnerships, platonic partnerships, business partnerships.

• 16:29Keke Palmer?

  The way I was seeing things.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Because you have such a prolific and easy time connecting to people. It is your mark. It is the way you're motivated. And so I would think that over the past couple of years, it's like, oh, I better not take this for granted.

• 16:48Keke Palmer?

  This is a gift that was bestowed upon me.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  If I take it for granted, I, the wrong people will get to it. Like, I need to, to not be like precious about this, but know how sacred this is. And not everyone's allowed in. And so it's like that process of elimination, we might say.

• 17:09Keke Palmer?

  Yes, boundaries, elimination. Yeah, understanding how to, you know, I talk about that a lot with my book in terms of reaching this point in my life where I have so much more clarity and intention about how I want to move forward and how that, how I show up for myself in order to be able to do that. And that does mean having clear boundaries. That does mean saying no to more things that don't really matter, don't make sense, or don't align with what I know I want to be. Because there was a time period in my life where I was, I don't want to say I was scared, but I was kind of like, I almost felt weighed down by this deep desire to connect because sometimes it was hard to feel the rejection of other people not wanting to connect. You know, and that was kind of like how I became an entertainer and why I, again, if

• 17:51Keke Palmer?

  we're talking about astrology, why my moon is so important for me in this regard, because humor, comedy, that was how in my household, growing up with my parents, having the stress of just living the lives you have to live in America, trying to make it. My dad had a factory job. My mom was from job to job. And I could feel their stress so often. I could feel that energy and I just started being like, Funny and silly and creating opportunity for them to reengage, for them to be present again. And I feel like that's like literally how I've always felt and how I've continued to understand and have the language to say, this is what I want to do. This is who I am. It's not so much that I

• 18:31Keke Palmer?

  want to be a entertainer. No, I cared about people. I wanted to connect to people. I wanted to be a social scientist. I wanted to experience and say, hey, it's okay, guys, if you want to experience, you know, that's what this is about. It might hurt. It might be fun. It might be confusing, but we have to engage with this. Otherwise, what are we here for? You know?

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so when we don't know that that's what we're doing, we can then fall into people pleasing, which is a mark of Venus, right? Like when we have Venus in a really powerful position like you do, one of the red flags is like, okay, because you're so good at facilitating connection and people are so lonely and disconnected. How does this get used? Or does it get used? Are you again valuing and honoring the medicine of it? And when we're young, we can't. It's just a thing we do unconsciously. And people will always have been magnetized to you. You just have like this natural power, this magnetism. It's just a thing. You just have it. And so as you get older, and especially around 30, after you go through your first sign of return, it's like, hold on.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  I'm not going to live forever. This thing, you know, this is like TikTok. I need to make the most out of these segments of time. So what is it that I want instead of what is it that everybody else wants from me because I make them feel better?

• 19:47Keke Palmer?

  Girl, 100% that has what I experienced and also how I experienced the reality of knowing I'm actually not do- like when I realized that not putting boundaries and not being clear with people was actually doing the opposite of what I wanted to do, which was help them, that made me get my stuff together faster because I said, well, I actually want to help this person. So if babying them and not being real with the issues is actually hurting them more and creating more of an opportunity for them to not grow, I've got to pull up my bootstraps and get it together and keep it real with people and stop lying to them, thinking that this is going to make them feel better, only for the moment when really it's not even going to support the direction they need to go in. It was really hard to do that.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. But your Virgo can always be relied on for doing the best thing, the right thing, and the most logical thing.

• 20:38Keke Palmer?

  Mm, mm, mm.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Because your Virgo is so high functioning because you have also mercury in Virgo, which rules it. And so we can always get to you through being like, look, this is the system. This is how things work. This is what messes up the system. This is what gets it not to work. So what's your choice? Because you've got a choice in this. And Virgo will always be like, well, we need functionality above all else.

• 20:59Keke Palmer?

  That's right. Because we can't have this shit fall apart. That don't make no sense.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  No, not on my watch.

• 21:06Keke Palmer?

  What did y'all in fans say? Not on my watch. Literally, girl, literally.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  I will not be seen as lazy or messing this up. Thank you very much.

• 21:16Keke Palmer?

  No, no, seriously. And that's very much so how I feel. That's literally what gets me moving the fastest. This is very interesting that I want to just quickly step away to ask, have you actually ever known someone and then found out their sign and been confused with how they're showing up?

• 21:34Speaker 01

  It's less about, I mean, if someone tells me their sign and it really doesn't match, then I just know that they've got a lot of planets and points in something very different. And that there's a struggle for them, or there's something that's conflicting. And listen, when we're conflicting, we're really interesting. Like, a friend of mine is an Aries sun. She's got like this amazing Aries signature. But it's hiding out. It's in a part of the chart that hides out. And so she hides her desire to win and competitiveness, but it's there. You just have to know it. It's like underneath the surface. But there's a lot in her chart that will tell you things are like underneath the surface. And then there's also these parts of her chart where she's just so giving and so sweet. And that's

• 22:16Speaker 01

  what people focus on. And so that's something that gets cultivated. So it's all like how these little pieces work together. Because if we just thought of you as a Virgo, we would miss this great desire to connect to people, to heal them through art and beauty, to let them know that they're not alone. We would miss out on this like really deep nurturing part of yourself, right? So we can't ever just silo ourselves and just our sun sign. It's so important to know how the whole chart, the whole sky was interacting when you were born.

• 22:46Keke Palmer?

  And then, like you say, even in just- The poetic sense of what you just explained with your friend, even if we break that down without astrology, it's really just the digging into knowing oneself deeper. Because there are so many deep parts of us that you won't see if you just look on the surface. So whether you're looking into your chart and digging back there, or you're spending time alone and having deep conversations with yourself, you're gonna find that maybe this is really what's motivating me. Or maybe this is what I really want. You know what I mean? Because it's truly just about figuring out you more, which I think sometimes is difficult to do. You know, people don't always know what are the first steps for me to be able to dig into myself a little deeper and have more conversations about me and not feel strange about it.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think for that, if someone's just starting out, I mean, you can always download our app and read about your sun sign.

• 23:34Keke Palmer?

  I love your app. I had your app before I met you.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 23:38Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  But I also think you should just go where the energy is. You know, like you should go where you feel comfortable and where you feel like you can kind of relax into something. So whether that's your church, or whether that's a therapist, or whether that's a yoga class, or whether that's an astrology app, it's like, go where you feel received and where you feel witnessed to some degree. And that'll at least be the beginning of a bigger journey.

• 24:02Keke Palmer?

  I love that, following the feeling. I always say that, following what comfort is, following what makes you feel excited. Even if you don't know exactly where you're going, it'll lead you to the place that's right for you.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:12Keke Palmer?

  So going back to what's going on in the planets right now, is there any astrological forces or planetary movements that are impacting me, or you, or everyone collectively?

• 24:24Keke Palmer?

  There must be, because this is getting kind of crazy out here in these streets, Jenny. There must be something going on in the moon.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  You know, we just came through eclipse season. So eclipse season is always a big moment of change and kind of everything speeding up. I will say that we're ending the year on a note of slowing down. We're ending the year with a Mars retrograde and a Mercury retrograde. So this is what I want everyone, yeah, I want everyone to remember that we really want to save some time at the end of the year. I don't want you all to like, like, I'll get it done in December. You're not going to. Just. Plan ahead, we're slowing down at the end of the year and we're actually starting 2025 on a kind of slower note as well. So we just wanna be a little bit more prepared.

• 25:11Keke Palmer?

  What does that mean?

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Well, it means that things like trying to get things done and move things forward really quickly will be a little bit more challenged because Mercury will be retrograde at the end of the year and because Mars will also be retrograde. It just signals a time where we're going to be going back and forth over something, probably multiple times.

• 25:33Keke Palmer?

  Interesting.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, we might be slow to get results at the end of the year.

• 25:39Keke Palmer?

  Hmm.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  And you can take that however.

• 25:41Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I'm like, slow with results, there's a couple of things I'm thinking about that we need results in.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:47Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, Chile. Okay, okay. Um, question about how people view astrology, because I think that's also the thing too. Again, I'm really so big on language and interpretation and how that can confuse us when we're all saying the same thing. And obviously with astrology, there's so many different ways you can look at it. There's eastern, there's western. Which one do you study and how do you kind of, you know, look at that in terms of like, again, delineating factors of which one you should believe or how you should interpret it?

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I do what we call like traditional western astrology, which is to say it's an amalgamation of a lot of teachings over a couple of thousand years in parts of the world that are now called Iraq, Iran, northern Africa, like Egypt and all over like southern Europe. And so it's a confluence of a lot of different teachers over again, a vast period of time. It's similar in some ways to what we would call Indian or Vedic astrology in its origins and in its outlook and in parts of its philosophical understandings. I think what's really important is to understand what philosophical branch of astrology you're looking at or reading about, or where the astrologer's coming from, if you're interested

• 27:03Speaker 01

  in that. Because all the astrologies, really if they're good, if they're really doing their due diligence, we should all come to the same conclusion. Just from different angles. And they all should have a similar philosophical structure at the base of it, which is about how the planets appear in the sky, how fast they're going, how slow they're going, what they're doing with each other, what signs they're in, what the condition of them is. Because that will signal the condition of somebody's life. Like I said, for you, you know, any astrologer in any tradition would have seen Venus rising up over the horizon and been like, oh, this little one is, it's got some blessings. And their blessing is going to be about how they can connect and how they can create beauty and art.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  That's, it would be true in any astrology, and there's many.

• 27:50Keke Palmer?

  And so what does it say about love for me?

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Well, it says you're a lover.

• 28:00Keke Palmer?

  All I heard when you said that was you'll be single for a lifetime.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Not true.

• 28:07Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, that is so funny.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  I mean, we can look at like committed partnerships. We can look at like, you know, romantic partnerships. We can look at it in a lot of different ways. But in your seventh house of committed partnerships, there's two planets there, Uranus and Neptune. And what that says to me is you need a very unique type of relationship. Or the relationship that you're going for will be a little less traditional than the ones that you come from, right? So I want you to be able to think expansively and broadly and creatively about what type of long-term committed partnership you actually want to be in. Because it shouldn't be from the template of society around you or what you've been handed. You're really in need of like 2.0ing it, right?

• 28:54Keke Palmer?

  Damn, that sounds unique.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  It's about your independence, it's about their independence, but also this deep connection, right? So like, how do we do commitment and freedom?

• 29:08Keke Palmer?

  I mean, I'm here for that.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Without losing one or the other.

• 29:11Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. I'm very, very here for that. And so when it comes to Obviously, work and love, and I'll say specifically for love because obviously that's such a delicate subject, is the perception, it's never gonna tell you exactly what it is, what you're gonna find, and you know, how to get it. But the perceptions, how do you kind of dig that up? How to perceive when they speak about your love life, when you're reading something or hearing something about astrology?

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Well, you can read about the planets that are in your seventh house, what we call the seventh house. So like if you look on the Chani app and you scroll down, you'll see where each of your planets are. And if you see any in the seventh house, they'll tell you something about what kind of relationship you want to be in. And then you also look at your Venus. So you would read the description of your Venus, the sign that it's in, the house that it's in, where it is and what it's doing. And that'll tell you a lot about your need. You can also look at your moon sign and see how you like create safety with another person, the kind of home you would want to create, the kind of like day-to-day connections and nurturing and nourishment that you need. So someone with a Sagman.

• 30:17Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and kind of use that as a guide. It's not gonna say it's John Jones who lives in 4555. Yeah, it's gonna be like, this is the vibe.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 30:34Keke Palmer?

  So, Chani, I'm very excited to have my mom here. My mom is a Virgo, but she and I, we relate on a lot of different things. We're different, but we're kind of the same. We work together, obviously, with my job. She's the one who helped start my career, my brand, and she's like my best friend. We've gone through ups and downs, but like she's really my girl, girl, girl to the girl Max. And yeah, so I want to, I'm very curious to hear about why that is, how that is, and how she was chosen for me.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Listen, welcome.

• 31:04Keke Palmer?

  Hi.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm so excited to talk about your chart and all of the ways in which the two of you are connected because it's kind of ridiculous.

• 31:12Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  You're, I'm hard pressed to say that I've seen something so connected as this. So, okay, I'm not sure if you heard, but Kiki has this planet called Venus coming up over the horizon the moment that she was born. And it means that she's marked with a blessing. So there's two planets in the sky that are said to bestow their blessings. They're called benefics. One is Venus, which is the planet of art and beauty and relationships and connecting. And that's what Kiki has. She has this planet of needing to create beauty and connect to people and be like, hey, let's be friends and I'm going to make you feel a lot of things. And the other planet is Jupiter.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  And Jupiter is the planet of wisdom and abundance. And also just like having a kind of optimistic point of view. It's also a planet of religion and spirituality. It's really the teacher planet. And that's the planet that you have coming up over the horizon. So the two of you, it's in very different signs. So yours is in Leo, Kiki's is in Cancer, very different. But the two of you have within a couple of degrees. So just exactly if we would have looked on the eastern horizon when you were born, we would have seen this beautiful Jupiter, which is both planets are really sparkly and really visually stunning, especially when they're in the position that they were in when you were born.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  And so you both have this mark of a blessing that comes with your birth. There's a mark of something special here. Now again, yours is like the, the great benefic. So it's like, it's this sense of being big. It's this sense of being wise. It's this sense of bringing some kind of expansion to whatever it is you go. And that Leo rising is really good at performing. It's really good at drama. It's really good.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  That's what I have. I'm Leo rising.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  That's right. That's you.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  And then she's the Venus, the love and all that stuff.

• 33:15Keke Palmer?

  Well, that's like where the planets are, but my rising is a Cancer.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  And what does that mean? What, what is that?

• 33:19Speaker 01

  It's the, it's the, she's sensitive.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, definitely. Well, but you know what? I'm not surprised about the love because I remember out of all my kids, she's the one who was just so concerned emotionally about me. Like she would come up to me and go, mommy, you don't look good. You look sad today. Smile. And then I would, you know, do a fake smile. She goes, that's not real.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  That's not, and she seemed to be, and then when she was little, like before she could even talk, she would just hug my neck so tight, like super, super love. And I said to myself, I was like, this kid here really loves me. She really, really loved me. My first daughter, you know, obviously I felt she loved me. But with Kiki, it was like she just hugged me so tight. You know what I mean? And then she tried to sleep with me until she was four. I would put, I would put her in the bed and put her in the bed and then I'd wake up and she'd be laying on top of me.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  And my, and my, my husband would say, make her get out of the bed and I just couldn't do it because she just loved me so. It's like she just could not let me go.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the signature of her birth.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And yours is to teach. Yours is to like bring opportunity. Yours is to bring light. Yours is to bring some kind of like optimism and glow.

• 34:46Keke Palmer?

  And it's interesting, it's interesting that you had said that about the teacher because my mom is someone that I also see as a mentor. And not only me, but I've seen her mentor everybody around me. Everybody, like, I mean, there are people that I've worked with that were on my street team when I was doing music and stuff at like 12 and 13. And now we're in our 30s and they're working with me still and they've been like motivated by sharing. So I'm very curious of like what that says about her. You know, she started out as a performer. She was a performer herself. But then obviously became this mentor and this teacher to me and to others. How does that play out with the moon sign for her?

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Okay, well, it actually plays out with her sun sign. So it makes the sun the ruler of her ascendance. So then we were like, okay, well, what is her son up to? Cause her son, wherever her son is, is in charge of where her life's direction needs to go. And you have the sun in Virgo and it's in the second house of work and livelihood and money and accounting and making sure.

• 35:45Keke Palmer?

  She always is doing the accounting.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Listen, I want her doing the accounting. Listen to me. She is the one who should be tracking the numbers because there is no number that can get away from her.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  But you know what is so, you know what though is so funny that you say that? Is because every job that I have ever excelled in revolved around money.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  It really did. And it's so weird to me. And I'm able to see the numbers and all this type of stuff. And then when I have business meetings, I'm always like, what happened to this money?

• 36:17Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  What happened to this job?

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  I was just on the accounting the other day.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  And I was like, hey, we did another deal. Where might that money be?

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. That is what you're so-

• 36:31Speaker 02

  But I don't know why I'm doing that.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Because I could tell you, you're Mercury, your sun and your Mercury. So you were born with this other really special thing, which is the sun and Mercury were at the exact same place in the sky, and they were in a sign that Mercury rules. So Mercury is literally the counter. If you think of like an abacus, that's Mercury. Mercury communicates, but it counts, it tallies, it makes sure that everything is there. And in Virgo, it is exceptionally good at accounting, counting, subtracting, adding, all the things.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  That makes sense. But the thing is, I'm very obsessed with no one taking advantage of Kiki.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  But I'm not so much obsessed with the money. Like, once I get it and it all comes, I'm not overly excited, or it's like the excitement comes from making sure I know it's going in the right place.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  That's right. It has to be correct.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  Now, you've got Jupiter on the ascendant, which means you come from a place of abundance. You come from a place of internal wealth. You come from a place of-

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Come on now, internal wealth. Yes.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Knowing that your cup is already full. Like-

• 37:41Speaker 02

  Amen.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  You come spiritually full, full. And so it's not about hoarding, but your Virgo is like, these are the numbers, and numbers don't lie. So where's the thing?

• 37:53Speaker 02

  She's very you. You are absolutely right.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  And then the other thing is that the planet that rules, that is in charge of your children, is in your first house, is Jupiter. So there's something that says like, your children are part of how you come into your own purpose, and they're also part of how you generate more abundance, and they're something really linked to your own identity. The blessing from the children is very much about- You and also your ability to be teacher and to be person who is creating opportunity and who is broadening the horizons is also related to your children's well-being.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:33Keke Palmer?

  No, because Sharon, that is what you did, Sharon. No, that is what you did, Sharon. You know, one time, my little brother, he's a Pisces. One day I'll get into his trouble.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  Poor brother. Two Virgos there.

• 38:47Keke Palmer?

  No, seriously. But he said that about me and you. He said, you don't understand. He was like, what you and mom have going on? Y'all did something special. Something special happened and y'all woke each other up. That's what he said. He said, because what you guys did, he said pretty much like what she said without the language, that there was something about your, who you are and everything you are and what you put into us and how when having us ignited you to really go expansive into it.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  But what she's saying makes sense in terms of you and I kind of understanding each other kind of because like I work with your brothers and sisters. I work with them in entertainment. You know, I tried to teach them and do stuff. But with Kiki, it was so different. It was, it was like, I would work with her. What were you gonna say?

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Well, you have the same, the exact same Mercuries. Exact. They're at the exact same place. So you, it's like you guys can read each other's minds. Like there is a communication that happens between you that is, it's like beyond time, you know, it just like kind of like lapses. And it's

• 39:54Speaker 02

  You know, it's funny you saying that because now this is true. I can always tell, and I never told anybody this, but I can always tell when something's wrong with her.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  So I feel weird. It's something wrong. And I tell her dad, I said, something's not right with Kiki.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  And then she'll call and like, see, she, see, I knew it, you know? And then sometimes I feel really at peace. And I say, Kiki's good. She's good. And, and the older she gets, I feel the more she's good.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 40:26Keke Palmer?

  Isn't that so, it's so strange that you said this thing about this mercury thing about a connection because my mom and I have always had this type of thing where we just got each other to the max. Like even when she's talking about me hugging her as a baby and stuff like that. Like there was something that I knew, it's something that I felt and the performance like She has truly been like a little master. You know what I mean? Of me. You know what I mean? And helping me. It was like, it was as if she sat down and she looked at me like, these words never were said. But this is how it feels to me on a spiritual level. If we want to do this and we're going to change everything, I need you to be serious. And then I said,

• 41:11Keke Palmer?

  yes, if you need me, I will. And it's like, we just started becoming like the damn movie with the, with, with the wax on, wax off.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, your Virgos came together. Because you both have Virgo's sun too. Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Wow, well, what motive? This is what, so it's funny to hear her say that. But people ask me this all the time. You know, how, how do you guys do what you do? How you, you know, how do you still keep working with your daughter? Because a lot of people can't even talk to their kids or whatever like that. But for me, it was her work, work ethic. It was her commitment to excellence. That kind of made me get my shit together. Because it was like, okay, if this little girl can do all of this and memorize and be happy, like she was happy. She would learn her little lines and she would be happy. And I was, I said to myself, I've never seen this before. Because I had taught drama to high school students.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  And she was little, like eight, nine years old. And I saw her at their level. And I said to myself, I said, I've never seen this before in a child so young.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  And I think the world should see this.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  And that was my only motivation. It wasn't money. It wasn't, it was college. I was like, we could save money for her to go to college. But my bigger thing, and I don't know if this was ego or not, but it was kind of like. This is brilliant. I want everybody to see this.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Because I've never met a kid that was eight years old that had the just, she was like, uh, maybe she was 18 or 19, because I had been working with, you know, uh, seniors in high school and at eight, she was at their level in acting, in, in, in comprehension and memorization.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it, I, I had never seen it.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  The two of you can go like toe to toe for your analytic abilities, your academic abilities, your abilities to like understand things, remember them, integrate them, make them your knowledge and go with them. And you both have, you know, Virgo sun and Virgo mercury, which just makes you exceptionally hardworking, but you have your sun in the second house of work. And then Kiki has her moon in the sixth house of another place of like daily work and the daily grind. And so you both have a luminary in a place where you're like, okay, let's get this done. Let's do this. Like you're both in already. And then you both have fire sign moons, which, you know, the earthiness of your suns

• 43:50Speaker 01

  gives you that ability to anchor your talent in the real world through real actions. And then your moons are able to just like go with the intuition. And I think Sharon, you've got incredible intuition. I think your ability to pick up on what the next thing to do is like bar none.

• 44:10Keke Palmer?

  Idiots. It really is.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  She has great instincts as well.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:14Speaker 02

  And then Kiki has more patience than me too. Like a lot of times where, you know, she sees bullshit, but she won't call it out.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  That's her Venus.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  That's her Venus. She's in recovery for that.

• 44:28Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I just love people too much.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Kiki, because you have Venus and Sharon, because you have Jupiter on the ascendant in such a potent way, you both move into the world with something to give instead of asking for the world to give you something or to get something. And so the, one of the biggest blessings that both of you bring all of us is that kind of generosity. So Kiki does it through connection. Sharon, you do it through like wisdom and mentoring and, and bringing a kind of spirituality and potency in that way. But in the, at the end of the day, it's like you're both moving into the world with this mark of generosity and giving. And that's what

• 45:11Speaker 02

  She's good.

• 45:11Keke Palmer?

  She is good. I have another question before I get to the game, which is, what does it say about, when I'm hearing her talk, it made me curious, what does it say about me as a mom? What does it say about motherhood in my chart or something like that?

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah. Well, the interesting thing is that both of you have this connection. Jupiter is around both situations when it comes to children. So there's this like really deep spiritual connection to your children and an expansiveness. And Kiki, you've got Pluto in the fifth house of children. So I just feel like your little one is like very powerful and

• 45:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:47Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:49Keke Palmer?

  What else does it say? Cause there's something there for sure.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like a very potent, powerful energy and he's probably like going to do a lot of, of transformation in the world, I think. And there's, there's something tied to also to like justice and really wanting to fight for what is right. So, you know, it's with kids-

• 46:09Keke Palmer?

  And that's why I named him Lee Otis Angleton Jackson, because he sounds like he was marching. He's a civil rights leader.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  That's true. That's right.

• 46:18Keke Palmer?

  Okay. Now let's get into the game. Um, I love talking about astrology and I love you. I think Sharon does too now.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:25Keke Palmer?

  This has been a lot of fun. Uh, but with all my guests, before we end the show, we play a little game and this one's called here for it or not. I'll read you a potential use for astrology and you tell me whether or not you're here for it.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Okay. Love this.

• 46:37Keke Palmer?

  Okay?

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:39Keke Palmer?

  Checking someone's birth chart on the first date.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Not.

• 46:42Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, why?

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Cause I want to get to know you without any bias. I just want to feel you. I want to see what you do and I want to understand your actions just from a person to person, human to human level.

• 46:55Keke Palmer?

  Okay. I think that, I mean, it makes sense. That's how I feel about not looking at their Instagram page.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 47:01Keke Palmer?

  Trying to control what sign your kid will be by conceiving at a specific time of year.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  I can't say that my wife isn't guilty of this. So I, you know, like, also, we're queer, so it's a little different. You know, we do have to come in and like, plan things. It's not the same, but, um, you know, to each their own. I think that if you don't like a sign and you're trying to avoid a sign, that that's weird.

• 47:31Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  And you'll probably get that sign.

• 47:32Keke Palmer?

  Maybe that sign is gonna teach you something.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 47:35Keke Palmer?

  Um, okay, deciding not to be friends with someone because of their sign. I know you're not gonna be here for this. Yeah, this is crazy.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  That's, that's not, that's not it.

• 47:42Keke Palmer?

  No, I'm kidding.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:45Keke Palmer?

  Consciously making an effort to live life contrary to expectations of your sign.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  That's also just a waste of time.

• 47:53Keke Palmer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  I think.

• 47:55Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, just be yourself.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:58Keke Palmer?

  Every sign has lots of flaws, believe that.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:01Keke Palmer?

  Okay, cutting your hair according to moon phases.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Now, if you, if you do wanna grow your hair, then it's good to cut it just after the new moon. And if you don't want it to grow that fast, it's good to cut it, you know, like, after the full moon. I do believe in that.

• 48:18Keke Palmer?

  So when do you know, like, when she, if you want it to grow, when should you cut it?

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Right after the new moon or on the new moon.

• 48:23Keke Palmer?

  When do we know when that's coming?

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Well, you can, I, we, you know, we can look in the Chani app or we've got an astro planner if you want.

• 48:30Keke Palmer?

  And it'll let me know after the new moon or on the new moon to get my haircut then.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Get your haircut, yeah.

• 48:35Keke Palmer?

  And the hair gonna grow?

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:38Keke Palmer?

  Really?

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:39Keke Palmer?

  Damn, I'm doing that soon. Okay, the idea of there being a 13th sign called officious?

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like astrologers have always known, but it's like a little bit of the constellation comes into the zodiacal wheel. But we've carved up the zodiacal wheel in a certain way on purpose. We've known about all of the different constellations. It's not a thing, it's just a, it's just a clickbait piece that comes up every year or so.

• 49:05Keke Palmer?

  Okay, come on, clickbait.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  We have an article about it on our site if you wanna read more.

• 49:10Keke Palmer?

  Okay, last question. People pronouncing their sun sign before you even know them with a T-shirt or tattoo.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  I mean, live your life. I don't know why you wanna be prejudged like that, but go ahead.

• 49:22Keke Palmer?

  Okay, and then this is my last, last, last question because I think when people hear this, and then also with entertainers, you know, people will read their charts and they'll say all this stuff about, you know, you're born for this and you were shining, you were starring, and I think sometimes that also can make people feel weird about astrology.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:38Keke Palmer?

  But the truth is, doesn't everybody have something so unique and special and amazing in their charts? Like in terms of like, you know, because I think so much emphasis is put on what it means to be a star in this lifetime, or what a star is and how you shine. But there are so many other ways to make a great impact that have nothing to do with being an entertainer in this way.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yes, every single moment of time is unique because of everything is like slightly different all the time. And so unless you're born at the exact same time in the exact same place as another human being, which does happen, and you will have this exact same chart as some people, but it's rare. So like every little moment is constellated, you know, in an exact kind of way. And there is a reflection there for you to, you know, gaze upon if you want and to glean some meaning from. And again, hopefully all of it encourages you to be a better person and to be of service in the world.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  And that's the be all, end all, I think, of all of this, of any spiritual tradition or religious one.

• 50:44Keke Palmer?

  I love that. You ate that, and I thank you so much for coming on the show.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. I can't wait to come back. It was so lovely to meet both of you.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 50:59Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so that was delightful.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Yes, she said all great things about Virgos, which we knew was, you know, it was just obvious, you know, but it was nice to hear from an expert that we're fabulous.

• 51:13Keke Palmer?

  Mom, that's hilarious. The part that I love so much, because me and you talk about Virgo all the time, but she really got into all of the details. And I think I had told you that you were Leo rising.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:23Keke Palmer?

  And I told you that you were Aries moon, but I think it was cool that she really got into the stuff.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you didn't tell me about Jupiter. That was really interesting about what she said. My planet or whatever was Jupiter and that's where all my wisdom comes from. And my mentoring and, and that your love and, and that I have to mentor over all this love.

• 51:43Keke Palmer?

  Okay, please Sharon. I'm gonna have to call Chani back because you was just getting too into all this adoration that was going on. The coolest thing that I love about it, which is something that people always comment on about me and you. And sometimes I'm like, well, I think everybody can have this with their mom. And I'm sure everybody can have a very close relationship with their mom. But it's very cool to hear that there are some things specifically that we share. Because it's like, it's one thing with family you have a connection to. Because they're your family. But then also when you think about the fact that we have shared interests or things that we love. And the way that we communicate, different styles that we just do similarly. It explains that different added layer that I've always felt that you and I have had. Where we just get each other in a way that I can't really explain.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Right, neither can I. But you know, the whole love for movies and, you know, just the history of things. And the way you're able to break things down though. We're similar in terms of us being able to see things simple. But you can break stuff down, the most complex things, you can break them down in layman's terms way better than me. But I do feel I can do a lot of that. But I, I, what I honestly feel is that you're the best of me. That's what I honestly feel. I feel that there's things that I try to do, or I've always wanted to do, that you can do them better than me. So, job well done as a mother.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  I've passed things on to you and you do them better than me.

• 53:12Keke Palmer?

  You said something earlier in this conversation where you said I was the quote-unquote best parts of you, whatever you have it. But Sharon, if that is any true, that's what I was displaying back at you. I was mirroring you. There were several scenarios where you displayed reframing, the process of reframing in a way that would empower me.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Girl, come on now, reframing.

• 53:32Keke Palmer?

  You would, you would. You would, I would go through a situation and you would say, well, Kiki, that's not. Well, this is the thing, a lot of these people, you don't know where they're coming from. They don't, they don't always make an indecision. You don't always know. What is it because you tall, short?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  So you was telling me back what I was telling you. That's right. Well, see, there you go. No, you're right.

• 53:48Keke Palmer?

  I was just reflecting everything about you.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Right. Well, one thing I could say to you about this business is that you've never, and I don't know what you go to your room and do. But I didn't, I mean, I mean, I don't know what.

• 54:03Keke Palmer?

  That reminds me of one time when we were in Berlin, shooting Berlin Station. And I got so embarrassed because I was watching Game of Thrones and there was a sex scene going on. And my door was open. I said, oh my gosh, I hope my mom don't think I'm in here watching porn. I was so scared.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  I probably was in my room watching porn, so it didn't matter.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  But the thing, the thing is with you, and this is something that I've always admired. I always admire you. And, and, and, you know, and, and why? People say, why do you admire her? Because even when you have problems or you have issues, you always work on yourself. You're the type of person that's up working on yourself. You're doing your reading. You're trying to figure things out. And I've always admired that. You've never been the type of person that wa- wallow around, oh, woe is me. You're always, oh, well, I gotta figure this out. I gotta do this. You're solution, you're very solution orientated. So if that, I gave that to you, then that's a great gift.

• 54:59Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I remember this one time that I was going through, I, I don't know what it was, a breakup or something. I was just like really just depressed down in the dumps. And I was laying in my bed and I was just sad. And you came into my room and we said, what's going on? I said, Mama, I'm just sad. You know, I just don't know how I'm gonna get through this. And you were like, you gonna get through it. You need to get out of this bed. I'm like, Mama, I just, I can't. So you, yes, you can. You gonna get out of this bed. You can do this. You know who you are. You gonna be sad. You move on, but you're not gonna do this.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  It's okay to cry.

• 55:28Keke Palmer?

  You need to get up and stop acting like that because you are better than this. And I was like, yeah. Right. Better than this.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  But you know, sometimes you need people to take that.

• 55:40Keke Palmer?

  Do you remember that?

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Yes, of course.

• 55:42Keke Palmer?

  Because you was like, you, I could see on your face.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:45Keke Palmer?

  This is what I felt you was doing. Hmm. Do I sit up in this bed and be sad with her?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:51Keke Palmer?

  Do I take it easy and I don't want her to be broken and fall apart?

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:55Keke Palmer?

  And then it slipped back and you say, oh, hell, no. I'm about to get it into her right now that she can't do this.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 56:01Keke Palmer?

  And I was like, I love that. I was like, she really snapped me out of that.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's the type of mother I had. So, and I told you, you know, the where you came from is important. Your family is important.

• 56:11Keke Palmer?

  I was like twenty, I think I was like twenty-one years old.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my mother. My mother used to tell me that even if I was in the bed sick, she'd go, "Get up." And I said, "Mom, I'm so sick. Get up. Take a shower, take your medicine, go back to bed. You will be clean in the bed. That'll make you feel better," you know?

• 56:25Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  So, that's the type of people that I came from. So, I just, in that moment, I turned into Mildred, and I said, "Get up." So, I'm glad that it helped you, because that's what my mother used to tell me. She'd say, you know, "You have to help yourself." Those are the things that she'd say. Have to help yourself, you know, keep living, and you know, and God give you five senses for a reason.

• 56:44Keke Palmer?

  Yep.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  I never did understand that one, though.

• 56:46Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  God give you.

• 56:49Keke Palmer?

  Thanks.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  You can smell. What are the five senses?

• 56:52Keke Palmer?

  Smell, hear, taste, see, and touch.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  So, he gave you five. So, what was she talking about?

• 56:59Keke Palmer?

  So, say the.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  God gave you five senses for, get up, hold up, da, da, da. God gave you five senses for a reason. Oh. Okay, that used to irritate me so that I never thought about what the hell she was talking about. So, now I get it. So, she was telling me God gave you five senses.

• 57:14Keke Palmer?

  Four reasons.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  So, use them.

• 57:16Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, don't just sit there and use. I guess what was you using with in the bed? Touch.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  I guess. I don't know. But now that makes sense. So, now I'm gonna tell your kids that, "Ugh, God gave you five senses, so use them."

• 57:27Keke Palmer?

  You're not gonna tell them, "I'll dance at your wedding with a cowbell on." I used to hate that one.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 57:33Keke Palmer?

  Chani is a unique voice and has such a sharp intuition about her. I'm blown away by the reading she gave me and my mom. I think she's showing us how astrology isn't just about predicting the future, but more about understanding ourselves and embracing who we truly are. My biggest takeaway is that when the world demands constant rationalization and justification for our behaviors, astrology might be one of the best tools we have to fill in the gaps and truly accept ourselves. So get out there and tap into the stars to love you a little more. And I'll see you next week because you know it's your girl.

• 58:17Keke Palmer?

  Enjoy Baby This is Keke Palmer on the Wondery app, wherever you get your podcasts, and now on YouTube where you can watch full episodes. Subscribe to the Wondery channel on YouTube and don't miss any episodes. You can listen to Baby This is Keke Palmer early and ad-free on Wondery Plus. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 58:41Keke Palmer?

  Baby This is Keke Palmer is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Segal is our post-producer. Music supervisor is Scott Valesquez. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer. For Team Kiki, my producer is Sharon Palmer. For Wondery, our managing producer is Olivia Fonte. Our producer is Tristan McNeil. Senior producers are Lizzie Bassett and Candace Manriquez-Britt. Our executive producers are Date Easton and Marshall Louie.

• 59:17Speaker 03

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