Trump & Bukele BLAST CNN's Kaitlan Collins w/ Eric Bolling & Chris Cuomo | PBD Podcast | Ep. 577

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, and Vincent Oshana are joined by Eric Bolling and Chris Cuomo as they dive into Donald Trump’s meeting with El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele, behind-the-scenes details of U. S.-Iran nuclear negotiations, Kristi Noem's push for Real ID compliance, and Bill Maher’s surprising revelations about his private conversation with Trump. ------ 🎙️ PBD LIVE - THURSDAY, APRIL 17th @ THE BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/3XWDYSD 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:08Speaker 02

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here.

• 1:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:17Speaker 02

  My son's right about that.

• 1:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, Rob, what are we? Episode 577. We have Eric Bowling and we have Chris Cuomo in the house today. How you guys doing? Good. Doing great, Patrick. Thanks for having me. Rebirth and renewal. Rebirth and renewal? That's right. Easter's coming. Did you get in the back or no? Good to see you. Yes, couple of days away. When's the last time you guys had something together? Has it been a minute? Long time. It's been a while. But a big, big fan. Really? Yeah. Good to see him. Do you guys, have you, well, you've done things together in the past? No, we were on competing places, different places, but I always watched what he was doing, trying to figure out why he was beating me.

• 2:00Speaker 04

  Well, I was at Fox. It was, you know, all things being equal, I, I mean, you're like the most rational lefty at the time, kind of centrist now, but we came a long way.

• 2:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I guess that's a compliment, most rational lefty.

• 2:14Speaker 04

  I take what I can get when I come here. I mean, there's not a lot of common sense on the left, and you had some, which is

• 2:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what, Rob? I say we make a shirt, say, I'm a rational, I'm an ex rational lefty, and we send a shirt to Chris. Please, I'm sure Chris will wear it. He's gonna replace that with a free agent.

• 2:30Speaker 04

  I think the shirt should say, left and right, you cross it out, and it says reasonable. I think that that's the shirt.

• 2:35Patrick Bet-David?

  That's modern day today.

• 2:36Speaker 04

  That's the shirt.

• 2:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so we got a lot of things to reason with, maybe a little bit of debate will happen today, but a, a, a lot of weird things are going on right now, a lot of stories going on right now. Obviously, Bukele was, uh, from El Salvador, was at the White House, and it was interesting when they were both talking to the media, and there was a lot of back and forth on what to do, uh, with the wrongly deported man who is alive in El Salvador prison, and he asks him, he says, what do you want me to do with this guy? You, you want me to, you want me to send him over here to you? No, we're not gonna be doing that. You have to see the exchange, it's very entertaining and interesting. At the same time, Iran says, any future US sanctions relief must be guaranteed. Iran and US envoys hold first negotiation over Tehran's nuclear program and talk face to face.

• 3:19Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a percentage of numbers they're looking at with the nuclear levels, where Iran's at, where they would like them to be at, the 3.67%. They haven't met that, and there's a lot of different speculation on what's going on there, we'll talk about that. Trump's, uh, exit promises, record $1 trillion Pentagon budget, and the market kind of liked that, okay, because it was $180 billion above what it was last year, what Tom just told me right now, and, uh, you know, in, in a strange way, market liked seeing that. Trump has answered nearly 20 times more press questions at three cabinet meetings than Biden ever did. A report comes out, Yellen says bringing manufacturing back is a pipe dream. I don't understand the rationale for the tariffs. And she said a few other things as well.

• 4:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump exempt, uh, phones, computers, chips from new tariffs, and Yellen says, treasuries show US confidence loss, not dysfunction.

• 4:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And when it comes down to Panama, Panama Opposition Party accuses US of camouflage invasion. An Italian tycoon emerged as a lead investor for CK Hutchinson's port. It's a kind of weird thing. Those are two ports we want over here to be in the States, but we'll see what happened there. We got a couple of stories I'll come to both of you guys with, having to do with CNN and Newsmax, but we'll cover that here in a few minutes. Kristi Noem urges people to get real IDs, keep our country safe. What is this real IDs? Are we going back to what we never thought we're gonna get to? And we'll talk about a special moment that we had yesterday in the podcast prep meeting. When Brandon's like, "I would never do something like this, Rob. Tell me that wasn't the best moment, right?"

• 4:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm sure he's watching this. Pennsylvania arson suspect planned to beat governor with hammer. And then Ray Dalio and Jamie Dimon both had something to say. Ray Dalio said, "I'm worried about something worse than a recession." Jamie Dimon makes apocalyptic prediction. And then Hesit says, "100% not expecting US recession." We'll see who's right. Fed prepares $2 trillion bailout as hedge fund trade implodes. And then crypto czar David Sacks gets into a catfight with Larry Summers. I don't know if it's a catfight or not. That's the word they use here, but you gotta see it's entertaining. And then Bill Maher goes and spends time with Trump after the conversation he had with you. That was very interesting to back him. It almost flipped. You started interviewing him.

• 5:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And Kid Rock himself, Dana White, Chuck Labella was also there at the meeting. And Bill Maher came out and gave a... Rob, see if you can get a shorter version of it, because it's 12 minutes. Maybe get a shorter version of what it is that we can cover. And then something happened with Netanyahu pushes back on anti-Israel trends in meetings with podcasters. Something happened with Tim Poole, that there's a lot of discussion with him having a meeting that maybe wasn't disclosed. I don't know what it's all about. Well, we'll discuss it here as well. And then we got a few other things. Trump administration freezes more than $2.2 billion after Harvard rejects its demand. And then the frisco stabbing suspect Carmelo Anthony released after bond lord to 250,000. Vinny's got some thoughts on that.

• 6:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And then Steve Bannon ignites new MAGA civil war as he turns on cabinet members. Maybe Eric's got an opinion on that, who knows, we'll see. Trump swipes at CNN's Kaitlan Collins in brutal exchange, and we got a few other things here. But let me give you guys some good news on what's going on. Here's the good news. A lot of you have been asking about the cigar lounge, you want to come to it. And we've been having back to back to back. This last Friday was the biggest event we ever had at the cigar lounge, which was fantastic. However, grand opening is this Thursday night, this Thursday night. And this is what we're doing. Thursday, we're not doing a podcast in the morning. Thursday, we're doing a live podcast at our comedy club, at Cigar Lounge, $59.90 live. Tickets are being sold, it'll be myself, Vinnie, Tom and Adam, live audience.

• 7:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Come on down, bar opens at 6. If you get there at 6pm, you buy tickets, no matter whether you buy the regular ticket, the general, the premium, or VIP. If you get the ticket and you're there early, we're going to give private tours of the cigar lounge and then bring you back in the room. And the podcast will start at 7pm. It's going to be a skept- I mean, it's going to be, if you've been to it before, it's a spectacle, it's incredible. The energy, the vibe, the announcements, different things that we do, and a lot of people networking together. But that's the QR code. The website, Rob, if we can give them the website, so some of the folks on Spotify can go to it as well. I believe it's Boardroom. CigarLounge.com. BoardroomCigarLounge.com. Go a little bit lower, so it gives the details. You'll get the tickets, so go lower, Rob, lower, lower for the tickets.

• 7:44Patrick Bet-David?

  There's general, premium, VIP, 100, 250, 500. VIP, get a chance to actually go afterwards to the cigar lounge, and we'll be with you guys. And we're doing it Thursday instead of Friday, because Friday is Good Friday, so Thursday we'll celebrate it together. Come on down, bring a friend, network, join the rest of us. We'll have a good time. If you've been to it before, typically the people that have been to it before, they know VIP sell out immediately. This year, we have fewer VIPs, because Platinum members get first on those seats. So if you want to have a VIP seat, hurry up and place your order, and we'll see you guys Thursday night. Okay, let's get right into it. Stories, tariffs, is the first one I want to get into.

• 8:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Eric, your background, for some of the audience that don't know. Your background is actually finance before you got into TV. If you don't mind, for some folks that don't know, maybe take a minute or two and give a little bit about your background in finance.

• 8:31Speaker 04

  Sure, I was a professional baseball player. I blew my rotator cuff out and had nowhere to go, nothing to do. I ended up in New York on Wall Street. And started on the New York Mercantile Exchange trading energy futures. And I spent 12 years there. I brought the, got to the board room. I became a board member, brought the exchange public. The first major financial, certainly exchange that went public. On, on my push. And I spent 15 years total on Wall Street and I've never left it. I've trade, I continue to trade oil. I trade gold, silver, agricultural commodities, but I'm an active stock trader as well. And so I'm in and out of this. And tariffs, honestly, Patrick is, I, I just don't get it.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm a, I'm an original MAGA. I'm an OG MAGA. Sorry, Chris. I know you're not gonna love this, but one of the original Trump supporters, one of the original Steve Bannon supporters, because when, back in the day when Bannon and Andrew Breitbart were developing America First, I followed them and they were, they were great. And I, we, they brought President Trump to the presidency the first time. So I, the MAGA, original MAGA supporter, I do not get this idea of, of applying tariffs on the whole world. We are the biggest consumer on the planet. We have a lot of ways of exerting pressure on China to lower their tariffs and, and others, Brazil. One of them would be use our massive oil infrastructure. I mean, Trump loves to drill oil.

• 10:01Speaker 04

  If we drilled a ton more oil, if we put liquefied natural gas, which we can now do, to the point where we satisfy all of our domestic demand, the excess demand, we could offer to China and say, look, you want to make a deal, lower your tariffs, we will sell you LNG at market price without a tariff. You want to keep your tariffs, we'll jack it up. China needs the oil. They need that. They're desperately seeking oil. That's why they have the, the partnership with, with Russia. Point is, I've done this for a really, really long time. It's the one area I just can't get behind. Free market here, here and, and anytime government gets involved in anything in the markets, they pretty much screw it up.

• 10:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's start off with the tariff topic. I like that. So Trump exempts phones, computers and chips from new tariffs. Rob, if you want to pull up the clip on that, here's President Trump talking about what they're doing with phones, computers and chips. Go for it.

• 10:55Speaker 05

  Short-lived product exemptions. Which specific products are you considering? And how long is short-lived? These months?

• 11:02Speaker 06

  I'm looking at something to help some of the car companies where they're switching to parts that were made in Canada, Mexico, and other places. And they need a little bit of time because they're going to make them here. But they need a little bit of time. So I'm talking about things like that.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  What about any Apple products and other cell phones?

• 11:22Speaker 06

  Look, I'm a very flexible person. I don't change my mind, but I'm flexible. And you have to be. You just can't have a wall and you'll only go. No, sometimes you have to go around it, under it, or above it. There'll be maybe things coming up. I speak to Tim Cook. I helped Tim Cook recently in that whole business. I'm not, I don't want to hurt anybody. But the end result is we're going to get to the position of greatness for our country. We're the greatest economic power in the world if we're smart. If we're not smart, we're going to hurt our country very badly.

• 11:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So the latest number, Robert, you can verify this. I think it's US 145% tariff on China. China's 125% tariff on US, okay? It doesn't look like it's slowing down. Xi just went to Vietnam. Vietnam was the first person that we said we're going to lift the tariff. So he's going to his neighbors to say, hey, don't forget, we have a great relationship together. The whole concept of we'll build this stuff here. We'll say made in China, but we'll put made in Vietnam. We're still going to keep that agreement. Let's not forget some of the stuff that we have going on here. But you're not liking the position they're taking with tariffs. Why is that?

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Because again, government getting involved in anything, they screw everything up. Price controls screw up supply and demand. You just let supply and demand find the right room. Originally, they launched it as we're going to put an equivocal tariff on any certain country. China, Brazil. Germany, whatever you're charging us.

• 12:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Reciprocal.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Reciprocal.

• 12:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  Problem is, they didn't do that, Patrick. What they did was they took the trade imbalance with the country. For example, China, $130 billion trade imbalance. That's what they sell us more than we sell them. And they divided that number by the total export China into America, which is fine, but it's an equation. It has nothing to do with their tariff structure at all. It's a trade imbalance number. And they came up with, like, I think 64%, and they said, oh, we're going to do 32. They did that with every single country in the world. Had nothing to do with the actual tariffs. So they sold it as, we're going to raise our tariffs reciprocally. And when you lower country A, B, or C, we will lower with you, which is great. That's fine. You want to play that game? Wonderful. Then it became something different.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  Then it became, we're doing this to everyone, and now we have 15 countries who want to negotiate. Now we have 150 countries that want to negotiate. And it became more about the world leaders coming to the Trump administration and, you know, begging for some relief, which isn't the real nature of it. You want to play the tariff game? Play it where the purpose is to lower tariffs completely, both directions. And I think they lost that script for a while. They're trying to get it back now. And then this whole idea of choosing certain industries to exempt from tariffs, not necessarily countries, but industries, chips, cell phones, computers. It just, I just don't like, I'm a free market person, Patrick.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  The free market is what made this country, number one, the greatest country on the planet, bar none, because we had the most free business environment markets. And the tariff disrupts that whole apple.

• 14:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom, your thoughts on this? Well, Trump said, I want to leverage, I want to leverage things to get the world to come to the table. And so, okay, we're using tariffs. And I'm on board with that. But then, the calculation of how you get them to the world, I thought that they, they kinda lost the headline there because it's like, wait a minute, how are, to your point, how are you

• 14:52Speaker 04

  The 32?

• 14:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, how are you calculating to get them to the table? You wanna get them to the table and say, hey, look, you got two things here. One of them is tariffs, and you know, you're not really bad on tariffs, Eric, but you know what? I know you're cheating, and I know you got intellectual property things going on, and I, and I know you've got some relabeling on country of origin, and that's annoying. So let's fix that. So maybe the tariff gets them to the table, maybe leverage gets them to the table, so you can talk about all these other things. You know, the, the biggest one to deal with is China. The biggest one to deal with.

• 15:22Speaker 04

  But, Tom, I don't mean to interrupt, but they didn't use a tariff and add on difficulty getting into your market, or back and forth. They didn't use that. They literally took the trade imbalance of country A, B, or C, and they divided it by the exports.

• 15:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree, that's why I said, I was confused by the calculation, but I understood the purpose.

• 15:40Speaker 04

  Which is a non-formula. It is a formula that does not exist. It's a formula, but they didn't, it's not what they sold us.

• 15:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Right.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  It's not what they said it was gonna be a tariff, uh, we'll raise to you, oh, and they said we're gonna be lenient and only do half.

• 15:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Right.

• 15:53Speaker 04

  But the number they are using is the tariff that, that we're being charged, had nothing to do with the tariff. And, and, and again, I'm putting this on Howard Lutnick, because this is Howard Lutnick's baby here, and, and I've known that guy for 30 years. I wouldn't trust him to, you know, park my car over there. Lutnick's a problem. Only the best. Tell me why. Only the best. Uh, you want me to tell you why? Yeah. Trump brings in only the best, though. What? Only the best. Again, so, I was out with O'Reilly, and he said, oh, Balling, you're, you're a MAGA psychopath, he can, he can do no wrong. Is there anyone in, in this administration, he made a, I think he made a mistake with Lutnick. I, I, I just, I believe he did. Chris, you, you and I were in New York when the World Trade Center came down, right? Oh, boy.

• 16:37Speaker 04

  Howard Lutnick was CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald. Howard was, um, wasn't at the World Trade Center the day it came down, because he was taking his kid to school. Right. His brother dies, 115 of his employees die. The families of his employees weren't, didn't have money. They didn't have healthcare. They had to sue Howard Lutnick to get healthcare. Correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, this is, this is out there.

• 17:06Speaker 08

  It's a bad history.

• 17:06Speaker 04

  But it's 25 years ago and people are like, oh, Howard Lutnik. They don't remember. Since then, my first experience with Howard Lutnik, because I was trading oil on the New York Mercantile Exchange. I was on the board. We were huge, we were growing. We were the premier oil trading platform in the world. For every single barrel of oil, it was, price was discovered on the New York Merc, and it still is. I was a board member there. Howard calls from, Howard, from, uh, Cantor before the World Trade Center comes on, he says, "I'm gonna put you guys out of business. I'm developing an oil contract that is going to bury the New York Mercantile Exchange." So I went over there with a couple of other board members to have a nice conversation with him to see if there's a, a way we could all work together to put, to discover prices for oil.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  The more price discovery, the more people involved, the better. He just literally looked at us and, "I'm, I'm developing a contract, putting you guys out of business." Make a long story short, exchange is still here, it's, you know, it's a $150 billion entity and, and Howard's making tariff.

• 18:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think he is though? Why do you think he is? So if for everybody, they have a, a sore to die on, right? If we're talking about, uh, specific to tariffs, why do you think that's, that's Lutnik's sore to die on?

• 18:18Speaker 04

  Well, I think it's his, he sold it as his expertise. I mean, he, he came in as the Commerce Secretary and he had an idea. And Trump liked the idea, but the problem is that the idea of raising your own tariffs to reduce global tariffs on incoming imports, their exports, our imports, is a, is a nice idea. It's, um, maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't, I don't know. Maybe it throws people, the, the world into a global recession. I'm not sure. But, but, but he sold it and Trump kinda liked the idea and then it got away. It became something different. I think it'll get back to, to what the original was.

• 18:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so by the way, I want to make sure we're fair here. Rob, can you pull up what happened with Lutnik? Because I don't know the whole.

• 19:00Speaker 08

  So, they got a chunk of money as a settlement, right? As a lot of the people who were affected did. The initial criticism was. That Lutnik had taken a lot of the money and it looked like it was gonna go his way, not the family's way. Over time, he did more and more for the families. They got insurance, they got settlements. Correct. But it was a bad look early on. Is this about him committing a crime? No. Is it about him screwing them? No, I'm not suggesting. No.

• 19:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to make sure, because I'm reading this here. He promised to give 25% of Cantor's future profits to the families, the 658 employees who died. And over the years, he gave more than $180 million distributed to those families. He's also created a relief fund offering healthcare and financial support to those left behind. And Fitzgerald was one of the few companies who stayed in business after losing 2/3 of his staff. So he ended up making it right afterwards with some of the stuff. So I want to make sure we put that.

• 19:54Speaker 08

  Depends who you ask, but I get that. It wound up better than it started, put it that way. But Eric is not wrong to say that the impression of him was very negative.

• 20:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Fair enough. I wasn't there, I'm not in the know of exactly what happened. If somebody is more interested in it, they can look into it and respond to it here. But let's go to tariffs. So Eric, Chris, it seems, are you guys both on the same page on the tariff position with what he's taking? Would you say you're relatively on the same page?

• 20:20Speaker 08

  I'll add, I'll add one piece.

• 20:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 20:22Speaker 08

  Okay. Which is first, you know, this is, this is as nice an assessment as Trump is gonna get of this, right? If this had been Biden who had done this, you know, everybody's head would be on fire in this room right now. The ambition is a good ambition. The mistake the left is making is hating the ambition, helping the American worker, having new economy jobs here that pay more, bringing things back that we need to make here so that people can't hold us hostage, like happened in the beginning of the pandemic, when we didn't have any of the PPE that we needed. I think that's all good, and I think it's wrong to criticize it just because Trump is doing it. That's why I talk about the president and the administration a lot. I try to keep Trump's name out of it so people on the left can keep their head straight about the idea.

• 21:06Speaker 08

  So I respect the ambition. You know the expression, we all know it. Failing to plan is planning to fail. And what they're doing here is a ready, shoot, aim situation. That's why he has to keep backing off. I have a little bit of a suspicion about why he's helping Cook. Cook gave him a ton of money. Why he's helping the car companies that he is, they gave him a ton of money. I don't think he should play favorites. How he wants to do this, Eric is right to question. And you're hearing it, it's not unusual criticism. But the ambition is a good one. I'm, I'm fine with what he wants to do. The question is, is this the way to get it done? It's very hard to find anybody who doesn't work for him who says yes.

• 21:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I, can I, can we have a friendly banter here on this topic? Let's just kind of go through some of the ideas here. So what is the alternative? If, if they don't do it this way, and we just sit there and you're like, look, just use the oil reserves. We have plenty of oil, we're gonna be okay. Use that as the, you know, method of getting back and, you know, China needs our oil, but don't take this approach. Fair. If we go with that approach, you're assuming a similar type of a leader is gonna get elected after him. What if he's not? What if it's gonna be a different kind of a president that takes a different approach that doesn't believe in drill, baby, drill? So, oh, okay, then let's go with tariffs. If we keep it the way it is, from, from 1971, where we kind of opened it up and they started doing business,

• 22:30Patrick Bet-David?

  to 2001, when World Trade Organization, they joined it and they kind of started doing more business, how much has China grown compared to us? What happened to us? How much, how many of jobs that we give away? It almost sounds like, Eric, what you're saying is similar to what Yellen is saying. Yellen said, bringing manufacturing back is a pipe dream. I don't understand the rationale for tariffs. You sound like Janet, if that's your position, and you can disagree with it. Rob, if you want to play this clip, this is Janet Yellen, former Treasury Secretary. Go ahead, Rob.

• 22:59Speaker 09

  Perhaps it's to bring back American manufacturing, but I really think that's a, that's a pipe dream and not something that is likely to be accomplished. And we could even raise questions about whether or not, in a broad-based way, that's a desirable goal.

• 23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this is traditional way of thinking establishment, saying this is a pipe dream. What are your thoughts on that?

• 23:24Speaker 08

  I think Janet Yellen should never have been Treasury Secretary. I think she's ridiculous. She's the one who said inflation was transitory when it was clearly not transitory for the better part of four years of Joe Biden's presidency. It was directly tied to their policy.

• 23:39Speaker 04

  I just happen to also question whether or not raising tariffs will actually create American jobs and what kind of American jobs are we going to create here if we do this and we're gonna clearly product prices are gonna go up by if if all things stay the same tariffs stay high with China and others product prices will go up globally hopefully there's enough demand to support the higher price maybe there is I believe there's a lot of demand in the US economy right now but you have to worry about China China right now is on that precipice of is there enough demand to keep them paying for their growth I'm not sure so that's the risk and the payoff would be Patrick is Tim Cook says I'll give a half a trillion dollars we're gonna build 500 billion dollars worth

• 24:24Speaker 04

  of manufacturing in America Lutnik said okay we're gonna have Americans screwing those little screws in iPhones now that's not how it happens they come back and if if they do spend money to build a manufacturing plant here which would be great economic activity is good they'll all be robotics every single iPhone will be built with robotics the only reason why it's not happening now is because it's too expensive to build a new manufacturing plant with the robotics but if you're gonna make it expensive to import then you'll do it here and there won't there won't be more Americans working in manufacturing there'll be more manufacturing but not more Americans manufacturing products and stuff everything's going robotic

• 25:02Patrick Bet-David?

  but that's gonna happen no matter what I mean that's not it's like saying hey when back in the days in the 1900s you know 41% of people worked in farms and then all of a sudden a tractor and fertilizer eliminated those jobs and they're like what the hell do I do and everybody was afraid but we adjusted we pivoted to a different place

• 25:19Speaker 04

  and that's the key yeah the key is the adjustment that's why Trump shouldn't liken this to the Gilded Age okay I'm sure we all saw what was in the Woodward book where Gary Cohn was trying to explain to the then president in the first term we don't want to go back to the Gilded Age Americans don't want that kind of job we can do better than that and Trump for whatever reason was fixated on that being America's best time which is hard to justify economically you are right to characterize what Lutnik said the way you are because his quote was taken out of context he gave a nod that we're not gonna be turning screws those will be robotic jobs but

• 25:56Speaker 08

  Why China underwrites the cost of those factories in their country? So you say you want to start one, we come in with value tainment, we want to do it as a consortium. China underwrites it. That's what the United States has to do. So it's not just starting with tariffs, it's not going to get you where you want to be. The ambition is fine, but what I don't like is China is outplaying us right now in this moment. They see an opportunity. We overreached, we pissed everybody off. Everybody wants to meet with China all of a sudden, which did not happen before.

• 26:30Speaker 04

  Who's everybody?

• 26:31Speaker 08

  Japan, South Korea, the EU, they're taking meetings. Vietnam didn't just talk to Xi, they signed over a dozen new trade deals in that meeting. So China isn't reciprocal tariffing us, what are they doing? Restricting, meaning what? They're not going to punish their consumers to the extent that they have a robust base there. They're just not allowing us access to these things. They are being very sad.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  They need us though.

• 26:58Speaker 08

  They're very, they definitely need us.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  They can play with Vietnam and whomever else they want to play with all they want, but...

• 27:04Speaker 08

  But what are we, maybe net-net 20% of their business? 20%? We're 14% of exports, maybe 16%?

• 27:11Speaker 04

  Probably higher than that number and probably higher on a profitability basis too. Because not only we, we don't just buy the little, you know, the Sharpies, we buy iPhones. And expensive, so there's a lot more profit margin in the stuff we buy. They can't live without, they can't, Chris, they are on, they're on a path to not be able to, to actually go into more than a recession, maybe even a depression, they can't keep up. I mean, they've grown, they had massive growth, their growth has almost stopped.

• 27:39Speaker 08

  But they have structural advantages that Trump doesn't have to worry about.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, in labor.

• 27:42Speaker 08

  The people don't matter.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  In labor.

• 27:44Speaker 08

  Politicians don't matter.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Labor costs.

• 27:46Speaker 08

  The currency doesn't matter, you know, they have control over everything.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  But let me ask you a question though, okay? Everything you're saying there, this is, this is kind of how I process it. The problem with the US politics, here's a problem that I see, is the leverage Xi has is what? When is his next election?

• 28:05Speaker 08

  Xi, never.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  That's the point.

• 28:07Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  So the problem we have with America is what? When is our next election?

• 28:11Speaker 08

  Really, like in 16 months?

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, midterms. Okay, so what happens if there's a bloodbath and then hey, look what's going on, so then they got to pivot and, oh my God. So, so the, the challenge I have is the following. If we don't do something now...

• 28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And the next president doesn't and the next everybody keeps what's the word?

• 28:29Speaker 08

  Kicking the can down the road.

• 28:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, you know, let's just let's just get. And then eventually, all of a sudden, you're gonna wake up one day and they're gonna be like, hey, guess what? We got you. Now we have you. So because we don't wanna deal with a little bit of pain today, we're like, no, no, no.

• 28:44Speaker 08

  How do they have us? And the portrayal is that because we have such a trade massive trade imbalance, there's there we're at some sort of.

• 28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Pull up numbers, Rob.

• 28:56Speaker 08

  They're there.

• 28:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Pull up numbers.

• 28:58Speaker 08

  We have a trillion dollar trade.

• 28:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But tariffs are the reason for the imbalance. Pull up the numbers. Where was China? Where did China rank in GDP in 1971? Go in 1971, where was China? Okay. So where do they have us? China was ranked what? China was ranked number eight. It comes out 2.7 degrees in 1970 suggesting a similar 71. Okay. Then go to where they were in 2001. Pre WTO. Okay. And WTO, they were ranked what? Third, they jumped up. Okay, go to go to 2000 instead of 2001. Go to 2000. 2000, they're still third? Sixth. Four, sixth. So they go from sixth. So boom. Top 10, sixth WTO, third, where are they today? Go to where they are today. Second. Okay.

• 29:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So what are the projection of where they're gonna be by 2030? First. 2035, 2040. So we're supposed to sit here and just kinda came and say a new a new regimes in town?

• 29:53Speaker 08

  It's not about the what? It's about the how. The the argument you're having is about it's not that we gotta do something about China. We have to figure out how to protect ourselves and advance ourselves. I think people can get on the same page with that, or they should. It's the how. The trade deficit is not because of tariffs. In fact, when they got into the WTO, what did they have to do to get into it? Lower their tariffs. So as the trade deficit was growing, they were actually lowering tariffs. So the point is, and what pisses off people like Eric, who understand tariffs is it's not the right mechanism.

• 30:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I have a hard time with that, Chris. Let me, let me put it to you how I look at it. So you said the, the way they could get on WTO was what? To lower their tariffs?

• 30:33Speaker 08

  They lowered their tariffs when they got in, and for years after that.

• 30:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question. How, how, how much has China shown a track record of following rules and guidelines and things that asked in agreements to do?

• 30:43Speaker 08

  They cheat, they steal our stuff.

• 30:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh.

• 30:45Speaker 08

  They, they may be helping right now in the Ukraine war by giving Russia manpower.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  I saw soldiers.

• 30:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so let me get this straight. They have a track record

• 30:53Speaker 08

  Bad.

• 30:54Patrick Bet-David?

  of agreeing on certain terms and not following through on the terms. And you want us to take the negotiation seriously and try to play nice with these guys? It's not like you're, you're dealing with somebody, when you deal with somebody who do business, you'll have a phone call. You, you guys been in the entertainment business for a while. You know who to call. That you know whatever they say, it's gonna get done. And I guarantee you, both of you guys have a name, that no matter what they say, you better verify it 17 times, because you know nothing that person ever said was real.

• 31:21Speaker 08

  I just don't know that tariffs is the right punch to throw to knock them out.

• 31:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the alternative, though? What's the alternative?

• 31:26Speaker 08

  That's the discussion to have.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  So, so I can give you an alternative.

• 31:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's hear it.

• 31:31Speaker 04

  Open up our markets. Open, Trump loves to, to drill for oil. If we became a global major exporter of oil, and then

• 31:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a term, though. You have, it's only a period.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  So China goes to number one, Patrick. Let's say they, they take over the United States in, in two, three, five years, whatever.

• 31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  Do it by per capita now.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  They have five times our population.

• 31:53Speaker 08

  But they also don't care about how

• 31:54Speaker 04

  They don't care about that.

• 31:56Speaker 08

  They don't care about that.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  From a, from a third world country to, to a developed nation.

• 32:01Patrick Bet-David?

  They're not wired like us.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  My point is, I, I, I, we get hung up, are we first or second? Are we the biggest military? Or the second biggest military? My point is, we're the most powerful country. Doesn't matter if China has a bigger GDP than the United States. We'll still be a heck of a lot more powerful than they will. They would love to have what we have.

• 32:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Based on what, though? Based on what?

• 32:20Speaker 04

  Our buying power. We have a consumer that is the strongest consumer on the planet. Our economy is the strongest economy.

• 32:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

• 32:28Speaker 04

  Per capita GDP.

• 32:29Patrick Bet-David?

  If this continues, if this continues, who's a slave to who?

• 32:34Speaker 04

  They can't, we can never be a slave to them. They buy, we buy their shit, we sell them stuff. We pay them, they can't stop. And, and they have a lot of our debt. If they put us into, into a depression and we default on the trillions of dollars of our debt that they hold, they don't want to do that either.

• 32:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but what's the, okay, so here's, the more, the more I'm listening to what we're saying, the more I'm processing it as, let's find a way to make it good now.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 33:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, it's kind of like.

• 33:04Speaker 04

  Although I don't believe anybody is going to run away from something that's working. You know, the Democrats criticized Trump's tariffs on China in the first term. Biden left them in. People don't run away from success.

• 33:14Patrick Bet-David?

  No, what I'm saying to you is, if, if we have a chance to have this tough conversation now, I have a feeling if we don't do it now, this may be the last chance ever to have it. And why, let me explain why. Here's what I mean by why. When's the last time we had a guy like Trump as a president?

• 33:31Speaker 04

  Never.

• 33:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Four years ago. Exactly, exactly, meaning himself, that's what he's saying. So when's the last, was Reagan like a Trump?

• 33:39Speaker 04

  No.

• 33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Was, was Reagan more willing? If you read the Jim Baker book, you know, and you read about Reagan, Reagan was actually willing to compromise, right? So Reagan had a different approach that he would still work with the establishment a little bit and kind of, you know, be able to make that stuff work. To me, if there is a wild card in this equation of a guy that can, like, I was talking to a couple NBA guys the other day, with Scottie Pippen, and we're talking about a guy named Zion Williamson, okay, who was.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  Fat is what Zion is.

• 34:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly, but you know what I said? I said, let me ask you a question. Earlier, when I asked him about the whole challenge with Miami, he says, everybody leaves Miami. Why is that? He says, because of Pat Riley. Really, why? Because Pat is known for that. He has a reputation. He drives people to heart. I said, great. Thirty minutes later, I say, let me ask you a question. Zion Williamson, if there's a coach or somebody in the NBA that could change him, who would it be? He said, Pat Riley. I said, wait a minute, you can't say this. He says, I can't. I said, what are you doing here? But the point is what? It takes an effing Pat Riley to change certain things. And I think the chances of getting another Trump in four, eight, twelve, six. I don't know if we're gonna see another guy like that.

• 34:47Speaker 08

  You need it. There's a plus minus on how he is. Aggression is good. Trump is aggressive. He is assertive. He sees everything as a nail and he's a hammer. Okay. But it's still about how good the strategy is and what the mechanism is for change.

• 35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Too early to tell.

• 35:02Speaker 08

  Our biggest advantage over China is our alliances. Okay? And that's why people were worried about the soft power. That's why people were worried about how you talk to your allies. When you see the EU saying, we're gonna take not just Spain, right? We're gonna take meetings with China. That's a middle finger to us. And the reason they're giving a middle finger to us is because they want to give it to Trump because of how he talks about them. Now, you can say, yeah, but he's strong. You need your friends to beat China, not just because of the number of human beings, but because of the concentration of power. That's the criticism, is the way you're going about this is not gonna get it done. But what you want to get done is the right thing to go after.

• 35:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, do you have final thoughts?

• 35:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I don't know, Chris, about that point on the EU. I mean, the EU paraded Ursula von der Leyen, who's president of the EU Commission, the Economic Commission, right? And they paraded her out for the last week. And she said, well, EU likes a good deal, would like a good deal. Number one. Number two, she was saying things about, hey, we want to come negotiate this. We believe more moderation. Because they send her out with the moderation message so that they can take these populist messages, except Italy, forward to their media about, oh, you know, we're not gonna be bullied by Trump. We're not gonna be like this and everything. Meanwhile, they're coming out being very open about it.

• 36:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Being open about what? I don't understand your point.

• 36:31Tom Ellsworth?

  No, she's talking about, we want to come negotiate this, this, and this.

• 36:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 36:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Right? And so they send out Ursula von der Leyen to make those statements. Meanwhile, you know, Macron says, oh, I don't know about this. This guy is such a bully. You see the difference?

• 36:45Speaker 08

  Yeah, but I'm saying, they say they're gonna meet with China, they shouldn't be saying that. Um, they are our friend, not China's friend. And what's happening right now is a realignment, because people are pissed at Trump, and that's not necessarily good.

• 36:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Look deeper into it, right? Huge, auto industry is big in Europe, okay? So what's happening, why is Renault-Nissan, like, going to EU Commission and saying, "We need to investigate what's going on in Hungary with BYD." They're building a factory there, they're gonna ship the cars over here, they're subsidizing it, and they're gonna screw all of us, on the equivalent of, you know, cost dumping, because they're gonna subsidize the whole thing. And so, I don't see a lot of love there, for all of what's going on in the auto industry in Europe. And that's one of the things Ursula von der Leyen was talking about, and I'm no fan of her. But my point was, I'm sitting there watching her, versus watching prime ministers and things, and presidents, and saying, you know, as much as they're pissed at Trump, they're

• 37:42Tom Ellsworth?

  scared to death of what China is doing. And so, they're not running over there with open arms. Uh, I was on record in the beginning, Chris, I said, "Look, these tariffs are gonna be tactics, not taxes." And I said that many, many times, and people clicked on it, and said, "I don't think you're, I think you're crazy." I don't think I'm crazy, I think that's what's happening now, but if you look at the tariff, like a medication, you're saying, "That's the wrong medication to be giving the patient." Okay, you can certainly say that, but you gotta do it, you still have to cure the patient now, and I believe these are tactics, not taxes. Do I think that the calculation was like, a wrong way to do it, and opened your flanked ups to all kinds of criticism? Yes, but is it still the right thing to do, to kind of, you know, "Hey, this is Holy

• 38:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Week," to flip over the tables and say, "We're gonna change this?" Yes.

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• 39:32Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 39:33Speaker 10

  I think it's too early. Like you said, but by the way, guys, this isn't my wheelhouse. It just has the average American looking out. I think it's way too early. China, I don't care. Listen, we're at war with China. We're not shooting guns. We're not dropping bombs. We're 100% at war with them. And by the way, they've gotten away for the past four years of what? Spying, flying spy balloons for what? Under, nobody give the A B damn. They bought land by all of our military bases. Now I'm from Air Force Base Newt. Nobody's saying anything. You need something drastic. I think it's a little bit early. Let him cook. Let him do his thing. And then at what point? Here's my question. At what point do we go, okay, did it work? And we have to shift gears? What? At what point? Because we're saying two years.

• 40:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't think it's two years. I think it's like, if, and by the way, if some people are saying as early as this summer. If the market by summer is choppy, this is not going to be pretty.

• 40:23Speaker 10

  Right.

• 40:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Some are saying midterms. Midterms, if it goes like this. I know it's too late.

• 40:28Speaker 10

  It'll get wiped out.

• 40:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Wiped out. So, so it could be summer is the latest. Summer, some, but again, this is the part about how things work in negotiation. If you read Trump's book of art of the deal. The amount of times he was willing to go past the level of pain.

• 40:46Speaker 10

  Yep.

• 40:47Patrick Bet-David?

  That the average negotiator couldn't handle. That's a skill set. I don't know if he's going to practice that here. Because in that sense, the pain is you.

• 40:57Speaker 10

  Us.

• 40:58Patrick Bet-David?

  In, no, no, him. Trump, when you're, because it's your deal. But in this sense, the pain is who? The people. So I don't know how he's going to manage that pain. Because maybe he can handle pain for himself and his employees. But maybe the pain when he sees around his people, what they're going to be saying, maybe it's going to be different.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  I, I don't think anyone saw a $10 trillion meltdown in the equity markets. I mean, the day before they announce, we knew the announcement was coming on April 2nd. We knew it was coming. April 1st, the market was up, uh, up, flat top a little bit. A 10 trillion, 1600 on a Friday, 2600 on the Monday, 1500 the next day, up a thou- When that happened, Trump's smart. He said, "Wait a minute, maybe this isn't the right- We thought it sounded great, and I agree with you that it should have been, "Let's use this to lower all tariffs," but they didn't realize how much the market anticipated the downdraft.

• 41:54Speaker 08

  But why do your guys feel that way in the markets? Okay, like I've done a really weird thing on my show since this happened.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Why, Chris?

• 42:01Speaker 08

  I have pros on the show.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  You risk a global recession, that's why.

• 42:03Speaker 08

  So guys who are like you, like you know, you guys, I'm having them come on my show now, not polished TV people to talk economics, these are guys, they're real institutional traders, they're real economics, working as analysts for big places. And they're saying, "Look, they needed to message this first. You had to tell us what your plan was, why you were doing it this way, and you had to hold to it because we're afraid with Trump of uncertainty, or what you know, we call chaos in the punditry business." And they didn't do that, and I think they didn't do it because he didn't have a plan. He had what Tom is talking about, which is a basic feel and a tactic to get it in. And now let's see what happens. And the markets don't like that. And the problem is, he's not she.

• 42:49Speaker 08

  He can't look at the people who don't like what he's doing and saying, "But you're gonna stay quiet, because I'll kill you." Trump can't do that.

• 42:55Speaker 04

  No, he can't.

• 42:55Speaker 08

  He's gotta be responsive to the criticism. And the problem is, when he's responsive to the criticism, it makes it even worse, because now it's feeding the sense of uncertainty. "Well, what's he gonna change next? Well, which is this gonna happen, are these gonna happen or not? How do I plan? Where do I put my money?" That's what you're seeing happen.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, I mean, this leads to story of Ray Dalio and Jamie Dimon. Ray Dalio says, "I'm worried about something worse than a recession." Okay, Rob, if you want to play this clip, and then we'll go to Jamie right afterwards. Here's Ray Dalio.

• 43:24Speaker 11

  I think that right now we are at a decision-making point and very close to recession. And I'm worried about something worse than a recession if this isn't handled well. A recession is two negative quarters of GDP and whether it goes slightly there, we always have those things. We have something that's much more profound. We have a breaking down of the monetary order. We are going to change the monetary order because we cannot spend the amounts of money. So we have that problem. And when we talk about the dollar and we talk about tariffs, we have that. We are having profound changes in our domestic order, how ruling is existing, and we're having

• 44:07Speaker 11

  profound changes in the world order. Such times are very much like the 1930s. I've studied history and this repeats over and over again. So if you take tariffs, if you take debt, if you take the rising power challenging the existing power, if you take those factors and look at the factors, that those changes in the orders, the systems are very, very disruptive.

• 44:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. How that's handled... So that's Ray Dalio. So he's saying something worse than a recession, which is what? Depression, right? Okay, so this is Jamie Dimon. Jamie Dimon is taking a different position. He's on Fox Business. Go ahead, Rob.

• 44:45Speaker 12

  My final question for you, after all of these incredible years of success and leadership in this great nation and the world, what tips do you want to give the younger generation who is coming up and watching you and wanting to learn how you achieved all of this? Give us some advice.

• 45:03Speaker 13

  So, work hard, learn, learn, learn, read everybody. Don't get into the ecosystem of Democrats, Republicans...

• 45:11Speaker 14

  He gets to the recession clip in this clip, but it's very brief.

• 45:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go ahead.

• 45:16Speaker 13

  Conservatives, progressives, read everybody, learn, learn, learn, get to know, learn from everybody else. You know, I learned a tremendous amount from talking to other people, not just from sitting by myself. So educate yourself, learn how to take care of yourself.

• 45:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Come on, Jamie.

• 45:30Speaker 13

  If you don't take care of your mind, your body, your spirit, your soul, your friends, your family, you're not going to have a great life. And enjoy it. Enjoy it every step of the way. And so have a little heart and humanity, treat people properly. You know, I grew up, you know, with the way you treat people is you treat everyone fair and honest and forthright, whether it's a cab driver or a waiter or a CEO. This guy bothers me, by the way. He does. You know, it's just...

• 45:53Speaker 08

  There's something about this guy that feels like he's always trying to say the right thing at the right time, you know, and always trying to seem like he's on the right side of whatever it is. And I feel like, you know, I covered the 2008 Tarpe and Tauf stuff for ABC News, okay? And I had worked in mezzanine finance before I got into this, and they didn't have a business correspondent at the time. And that guy was always saying what he needed to say for himself in that moment. But he always wanted to make it like he was there for the little guy and for the people and that's... And I, I think he's full of shit, that guy. There's something about him that really, I, I, like, I don't trust that he's coming from a good place, this guy, when he says things. Not that he's

• 46:36Speaker 08

  not smart, not that he doesn't get it. He just, he's too convenient with what he says. It makes me think that he's not anchored by anything.

• 46:43Speaker 04

  I, I actually think he's brilliant. I think he's the smartest man on Wall Street. I also think he hedges everything with, we're headed to a rec... He's been saying we're headed to a recession for the past 20 years.

• 46:54Speaker 08

  Yeah, and he's gonna be right at some point.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Right, but, but as, as the market goes up and J, and JP Morgan stock goes up and Jamie Dimon looks smarter and smarter, if it does turn negative, he looks like he called the recession, but I, yeah, but he is very, very smart.

• 47:12Speaker 08

  But even this, bringing our trading partners closer as we build our military. You're just checking boxes. Yes, of course you want your trading partners close. Churchill had a great reminder for FDR during World War II when FDR was vacillating. The only thing worse than fighting against your friends is fighting without them. That's what we're risking right now, is going alone. And when we're as a coalition with all these other countries, we're much more formidable, even if we are very strong in our own right. And I don't like two things that are coming our way right now. One, oh, turns out we have to spend a lot more money on military to compete with China. No, thanks. We did that with, uh, the Cold War. Uh, it doesn't work. We don't need to do that. And the other thing we're gonna hear is, you're right about all these concerns about the domestic market.

• 47:56Speaker 08

  We need those tax cuts right now. I don't wanna see another tax cut for me. It's not gonna help the same people who are gonna get hit by these tariffs if they're in place. And I feel like both of them are coming.

• 48:05Speaker 04

  See, now, I would think, say, we would agree on tariffs and we'll disagree on tax. That, that would be the one way to, to energize the US economy is allowing us to keep more of our money. It's always been a great driver of, um... Spending and saving, I think making them permanent.

• 48:23Speaker 08

  Yeah, but just target it right. Target it right. You called it a middle-class tax cut and they didn't get the money.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  Chris, I don't think there's a bad target to reduce a tax, whether it's corporate tax or individual personal income tax, lower level, high level, middle-class, lower taxes, you create economic activity.

• 48:38Speaker 08

  That's fine, as long as you cut the spending. Not like he did it last time. Eric, the way he did it last time was screwed up. And they just kept saying they paid for themselves. And the only way you can get to that, as you know, is if you include the pandemic money. And you want to cut taxes, fine, cut spending.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  I agree with that.

• 48:54Speaker 08

  Cut spending and go to the DOD and cut spending. We do not need to build up to compete with China. They're not our problem that way. It's not like we're gonna get a land war in Asia. It's not the Princess Bride.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  If you can become fully, listen, oil is the lifeblood of the global economy, period. Whoever has it does the best.

• 49:09Speaker 08

  Drill, drill, drill, knock yourself out.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  So drill, maybe drill, lower taxes, and you don't have to worry about paying more in your tariffs when you send stuff to China than they send it this way.

• 49:19Speaker 08

  Cut spending.

• 49:20Speaker 04

  The best, the best year of my life is the year I pay the most freaking taxes, okay? Because I made a lot of money.

• 49:25Speaker 08

  Right.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  And my point is if we are so strong, so powerful, our economy's pumping at thirty, forty trillion dollars a year GDP. Okay, so China's doing forty-two. We have a fifth of their population. It's all good. It's not bad. Lower our taxes, lower our fuel prices, and we will compete on a global stage for the rest of our lives.

• 49:46Speaker 08

  Now, but we're missing a piece. We're missing the most important piece. One of the things I love about Pat and what he's doing here is the culture that's an extension of family, okay? You go see Pat with his kids. You know, one, he's present, right? And his wife, obviously. They take education very seriously. Those kids have to nail it. They have to be STEM-sensitive. Yeah, you gotta be able to kick the ball and be a good team player. That's what China did. China invested. They are five to one STEM graduates over us. Okay, per capita, five to one. We're leaving that piece out. Okay? You want those jobs, who's gonna do those jobs? We're not STEM activated here in our education.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  See, Trump's trying to fix that.

• 50:30Speaker 08

  Well, is he?

• 50:31Speaker 04

  Get rid of the Department of Education.

• 50:33Speaker 08

  Yeah, that's how does that help?

• 50:33Speaker 04

  Chilly unions and all of a sudden, things get better.

• 50:36Speaker 08

  I look, I think a lot. How do you know that? That that's what's gonna make it better?

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Well, that's the theory. I mean, the theory is free them up, just like the free market. Free up education, allow, allow parents to take the money that the public school system is wasting on students and failing miserably at, and let them choose where the best schools are.

• 50:55Speaker 08

  I think you have to do what we don't want to do, which is what other cultures do, which is you have to pick winners and losers. You have to test kids at different points as they're coming up and figure out who has the aptitude, and then put them on different courses like you see in other places. And you pay for their education. If you're that smart, Vinnie, you're that good, I'll pay for your education. And you're gonna give it back to me with what you do. We'll figure it out. Um, we are not doing that in this country right now. We are a culture of accommodation right now. Everything's okay. Everything's okay. You be you. And it's as big a part as anything we've talked about in the podcast up to this point, as to what our concerns are with China.

• 51:33Speaker 10

  You misgendered me. I'm not you, I'm they/them. So, correct.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  You're, you're, you're.

• 51:37Speaker 08

  I thought you were macho much.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  You're making the case to eliminate teachers' unions, Department of Education.

• 51:43Speaker 08

  No, I'm not. I think that that's.

• 51:45Speaker 04

  You literally just said that.

• 51:46Speaker 08

  No, I didn't.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  Based on meritocracy rather than a, a union mandate.

• 51:51Speaker 08

  Collective bargaining matters. You know, you go back to the Gilded Age and you see how workers were doing and what the die rate was and child labor. Unions have a place.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  No one's dying in factories anymore.

• 52:01Speaker 08

  The president says that's what we should go back to.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  No, it's a new golden era. It's not the Gilded.

• 52:05Speaker 08

  The golden era was after World War II. The Gilded Age, which is fake gold, right? That's the one that he points to. Look, collective bargaining to me, I think, is a virtue. Can it go too far? Do you have to regulate it the right way? Of course. But what I'm saying is, I don't care about what the mechanism is. I'm talking about the goal. You don't have enough smart people with the right kinds of educations in this country. That's all I'm saying. You don't even have enough trade workers in this country.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  We agree.

• 52:29Speaker 08

  And we need to foster that.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  Is where we disagree.

• 52:31Speaker 08

  A hundred percent. I don't necessarily disagree. I'm open to it. I think the best idea should win. I don't know what they are. I mean, I ask questions for a reason. You know what I mean?

• 52:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, chances of recession?

• 52:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, I'm, well, a recession by definition, two quarters, um, I'm only at like 10, 20%. But you have to remember what a recession is. A recession is the consumer spending drops. GDP drops two quarters because people aren't spending. Why are they spending? Because their sentiment went down. Why their sentiment down now? Because everybody's telling them it's bad. Why is everybody telling me it's bad? Because they don't give enough time for these tactics to be, come to fruition, to get to the other side of where we're going to do. You know, a recession doesn't mean that the auto industry has been nuked. It just means that all the spending was down for two quarters. Now, I think there's a 20% chance that that could happen. That's what I think.

• 53:25Tom Ellsworth?

  But I'll tell you, I'm with Eric on the, on the tax thing. Right now, we're all, we're about to cross, if we haven't crossed already, 1.3 trillion on consumer credit card debt. Records are being set that the consumer shouldn't be setting. You know what I'm talking about? And so, and we have the cumulative effect of inflation. So a tax cut on those people helps moderate that. And so, and I think that helps them. And I also agree with drill, baby drill, because I would, I would go after Anwar, and I would pump the hell out of Anwar, and I would be selling it to people that own our T-bills, and I'd be taking down our long-term debt. And guess what happens? You do that. You, now you go watch what happens. But right now, I think there's a 20% chance of a recession by definition.

• 54:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Not by the, the redefinition they did under Biden, where they ignored the fact and, and worked around the fact.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  Well, they took out food and energy. Conveniently removed the two most volatile and spiking.

• 54:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, that's exactly. Without my wife and I, the average, hey, we have a very young, healthy household.

• 54:28Speaker 08

  Sneaky.

• 54:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Next story. El Salvador. Rob, if you can pull up the clip of El Salvador's Bukele visiting the White House and saying he will not return a man, the US mistakenly deported. This is from the Reuters. Go for it, Rob.

• 54:44Speaker 15

  Can President Bukele weigh in on this? Do you plan to return him?

• 54:50Speaker 16

  Well, I guess, I'm supposed to have suggested that I smuggle a terrorist into the United States, right? I mean, how can I smuggle, how can I return him to the United States? It's like, can I smuggle him into the United States? Or what would I do? Of course, I'm not gonna do it. It's like, I mean, the question is preposterous. How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I don't have the power to return him to the United States.

• 55:13Speaker 00

  But you could release some asylum fellow.

• 55:15Speaker 16

  Yeah, but I'm not releasing, I mean, we're not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country. We just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country of the western hemisphere, and you want us to go back into the, releasing criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world? No, that's not gonna happen.

• 55:30Speaker 06

  Well, they'd love to have a criminal, you know, released into our country.

• 55:33Speaker 16

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's, there's a passing issue.

• 55:35Speaker 06

  They would love it.

• 55:36Speaker 16

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 08

  Listen, though, they gave, they give the president that stick. You know, that's a stupid gotcha question that the media's gotta get out of the habit of asking, which is just trying to expose some kind of conflict. What's the right question? So, look. The right question is what? This is, this is a much simpler situation than the one we were just talking about. Okay. Now, I don't know why he calls the guy a terrorist. That's not what this is about with this guy. Okay?

• 55:59Speaker 10

  Well, Trump, Trump labeled anybody that's from a gang that's coming in here.

• 56:03Speaker 08

  A terrorist, right.

• 56:04Speaker 10

  Well, technically, I mean, if you think about it, Chris, technically, they are. They cause terror, they kill, they sell drugs, they freaking kill women, children, everything. They're technically, MS-13 is a terrorist organization.

• 56:12Speaker 08

  I'm not here to defend gang bangers. I'm with you. That's an easy argument to win.

• 56:16Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 08

  What I'm saying is, technically, that's not what a terrorist is under our law. You know that. They gotta be doing what they're doing to advance a political agenda. That's why people always get frustrated when we wait when a Muslim extremist does something violent here. But that's not my point. My point is this. This is simple, okay? It wasn't a mistake, all right? They didn't care about the hearing that he had coming up for his asylum claim. When this guy has his asylum claim, he is not going to get asylum. He has no legitimate basis for it. Well, I'm afraid they're gonna kill me there. No, no, no. It's gotta be a specific and articulate, articulated threat to you. He should be brought back, give him the hearing so you can prove that you respect due process, and he'll go right back. That's the end of this story.

• 57:01Speaker 08

  This is a non, what I call a non-traversy to go after Trump and he handed them the stick. And that's what's gonna happen. They're gonna get him, they're gonna bring him back. Don't ask El Salvador's president, it's embarrassing for us. He's got nothing to do with it.

• 57:14Speaker 10

  But apparently, so this guy that, mind you, CNN, oh no, I'm sorry, not CNN, the majority of mainstream media. So this guy, no matter, the government has found out that this guy has not only connections, he's probably in MS-13. And none of us know, but you know they labeled him, a hardworking father departed and the family torn apart.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Maryland man, they call him. Maryland man, born and raised in El Salvador and a MS-13 gang. Maryland.

• 57:42Speaker 10

  Yeah, and mind you, and listen, he goes in, I don't know if we're gonna show up, he goes in on Caitlin Collins and CNN, which I normally would be like, you know, I kinda, you know, take it easy. But enough is enough, and actually, I'm happy that he's doing it. Like, we're talking about, think about this, how many thousands of people have Homeland Security, Tom Homan, Kristi Noem, gotten the hell out of our country? I haven't heard of one illegal raping or murdering an American, okay, since Trump has been in. It's shocking, alright, it's amazing. So there's one guy, one guy, that everybody's up in arms with, and they're making him seem just like when Soleimani, when Trump in the first administration killed Soleimani, you know what they called him in the media? He was a freedom fighter and they killed him. It's absolute horseshit, and CNN should be embarrassed.

• 58:27Speaker 10

  How many more BS stories are we gonna have to hear? They're worried about one guy, one freaking guy who was in a gang. And then Miller over here even explains, the guy went to court twice, they said he had a deportation order. That means you don't belong in here, okay? And it's embarrassing, bro, in front of the freaking president who's saying, you want us to ship back a guy that's probably killed and murdered? Hell no, it's embarrassing.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  Rob, what clip do you have?

• 58:52Speaker 14

  So I have two of the clips that Vinnie had mentioned where Trump calls out Caitlin Collins, if you'd like that. Then I also have, uh, Bukele offers the US help to detain criminals, uh, another clip of Bukele praising Trump for the border crisis, and asks him why the media won't report on it. And then finally Stephen Miller, uh, debunking the narrative that the Maryland man should not have been deported to El Salvador.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  Why don't you start off with the Caitlin Collins?

• 59:15Speaker 10

  Cool.

• 59:16Speaker 06

  Do you have any questions, please? President Trump. Let's not start with CNN. They're just so, they're just so wrong.

• 59:23Speaker 14

  So that's the first one. Here's the second one. He goes back and does this again.

• 59:28Speaker 15

  Well, the President, Mr. President, you said that if the Supreme Court said someone needed to be returned, that you would abide by that. You said that on Air Force One just a few days ago. And they said that it must be facilitated.

• 59:38Speaker 06

  Why don't you just say, isn't it wonderful that we're keeping criminals out of our country? Why can't you just say that? What's a legal requirement? Why do you go over and over? And that's why nobody watches you anymore. You know, you have no credibility. Please, go ahead. President Trump.

• 59:53Speaker 10

  But can you, can you blame this guy? Like, could you just really fast? And I'm sorry to take more time. Can we just, like, he's fed up. How much more crap, especially from CNN? How many more mistakes? How many more lies? I had to make a list, Pat. Russia collusion, okay? This is all CNN. Nick Sandman case, lies. Jussie Smollet, hoax, lie. Hunter Biden laptop, COVID lab theory, Joe Rogan on horse dewarmer, Trump's fine people line, January 6th, Kyle Rittenhouse, they lied. Hands up, don't shoot, they lied. The crying border kids photo, lie. The horse whipping at the border, lie. The most peaceful riots, lie. Fake COVID hospitalization overload stories, you guys remember that? Brian Stelt's disinformation segments? How much more? Are they never going to shift gears?

• 1:00:37Speaker 10

  Like, are they never going to stop? I get reporting, hold people's foot to the fire. You are literally in the White House talking about one freaking guy who is an MS-13. Pat, you're, we lived in Cali for how long? How, to get into MS-13, is it just you sign up and you join in? How evil do you have to be to be in this freaking gang?

• 1:00:55Speaker 14

  Yeah, they have a form.

• 1:00:56Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. It just boggles my mind that you're in the White House, the guy from El Salvador who had the most dangerous country, now he has the most safest. And that's what she's worried about? This one freaking guy? Eric, it drives me bananas.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  You are 100% on it, which blows me away that she actually even asked that question, Chris. I mean, CNN management must have been like, what the hell is she? She's a double agent, because they love her in Trump land. They love, they love her. She's got friends in that administration. She gets access, she gets information.

• 1:01:24Speaker 10

  She walked CNN right into that.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  She does. to an ambush. I mean, it was, they got smoked. CNN got smoked because many points out all the things that CNN's lied about and gave Trump the platform to say, "Look at these assholes. These, we're deporting people who rape our women, kill our children, or vice versa." And CNN, you want them back.

• 1:01:43Speaker 08

  That exchange makes Caitlin Collins more popular with the media. Because she's the new Jim Acosta.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  At CNN, I gotta think they're gonna, they're saying, "What the hell did you do that?" Ask him a tough question he can't answer. Not something he's gonna absolutely lambast CNN and you.

• 1:01:57Speaker 10

  But Jim Acosta, dude, if you think about it, the fake news was birthed by Jim Acosta, who's not even there anymore.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Vinnie, I have a theory on that.

• 1:02:05Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  Trump's first term didn't have the mandate and the swell and the support he has right now. He's got the American people behind him. He's got people like, uh, me at least on MAGA. But the first time, they were skeptical. They called him the, you know, that he was delusional, he's racist, he's this. And now he's got the American people. First time, he gave Acosta a platform to, to raise his, raise his Q score, Acosta's Q score. He's not doing it anymore. He's smart. He's leg sweeping these people. I'm, I believe Caitlin Collins is probably on her last leg because of that. The, you know, the other, the three or four things she's done recently, but certainly, I, if I'm CNN management, I go, "She just walked us into a slam dunk."

• 1:02:47Speaker 08

  You can look at the ratings and you'll make your decision. That's what management does. Uh, but I'm telling you, within the media culture, going at Trump, uh, gets you dap and it's gonna help.

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  Going at him wisely, smartly. That was, that was, that was, they alley ooped. She gave him an alley oop to dunk.

• 1:03:04Speaker 08

  I'll give you the other side of it, okay? And then feel however you want to feel. He did say, "I respect court orders. Don't say that. I respect judges." Okay. Nine, nothing. You gotta bring the guy back and have that, uh, that hearing. Yeah, I'm not gonna do it. He put himself in the position to do that, okay? It's nine, nothing, you gotta bring him back and give him the hearing. That's due process, the two most important words in the rule, in the law. Do it, and then you have high ground. So, she's not wrong to say, you said you were gonna do that. It's nine, zero, it's your court, and you're not doing it. That's not unfair.

• 1:03:39Speaker 04

  That's not what she said, though, Chris.

• 1:03:40Speaker 08

  That's not unfair.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  You asked the question that way. Patrick, you asked Chris, what's the right question? Frame it that way, and then all of a sudden, you and CNN look, look smart. Look, uh, holding truth to power.

• 1:03:51Speaker 08

  Fair, you wanna be, just be fair.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  She says, are you gonna bring back the Maryland man? And she teed him up to hit it right over the left field.

• 1:03:59Speaker 08

  That's a bullshit way to ask it, and the media, especially in these settings, as we both know, that's a gotcha setting. Nobody's having a real conversation in one of these, uh, press scrums. You know, and that's why Trump thrives in them, because he's a one-line person.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  The only one who's done worse in the Oval Office in the last ninety, eighty days, whatever it's been, is Zelensky. Caitlin Collins is number two to Zelensky. Both got destroyed, absolutely destroyed.

• 1:04:24Speaker 08

  I, I think it, it helps her, Zelensky, that's apples to oranges, but the, um, look, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Why am I not covering this in a big way on my show? Because of Vinnie's point, okay? I'm not in the business of defending gang bangers, all right? And, uh, why they do that with him, I don't know. You know what the next one's gonna be? Is this Carmelo Anthony case. Uh, that is gonna blow up in this country because it plays on race and perception.

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:51Speaker 08

  And the media's gonna play it one way, the people are gonna scratch their heads. I don't believe that Trump has the country with him, and I don't think this period we're in right now has helped him. But, you know, this, we are very volatile right now, and people get angry real easy, and they get reasonable real slow.

• 1:05:06Speaker 10

  And you made a great point, Chris. Look at, look at who the Democrats' heroes are right now. An MS-13 gang member, Luigi Mangione, who shot and killed a father in the middle of the street, Mahmoud Khalil, who's a Palestinian Hamas propaganda freaking guy, and then, and then Carmelo Anthony, who stabbed Austin Metcalf, and now, not only did they take the bail from one million to two-hundred-and-fifty thousand, he's home, and he's chilling, and you nailed it, Chris. If that was the roles reversed, and there was a, a white kid stabbing a black kid at a track meet, forget it. That, we would, that, that would've been the talk right now, because there would've been riots in the streets. Thousand percent. So, it's funny who they're representing.

• 1:05:46Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't think it's a mistake by CNN. I think it's a playbook. Because when I was sitting there watching this and I had, I got my hackles up and I sat back and I thought for a second. And I said, wait a minute, this feels like Trayvon 2.0. They're trying to get me to believe that this person is who it isn't. And we all, and they paraded out the young picture of what looked like a nice kid. And it turns out that wasn't the kid that was in front of the cop. It was the one that was tatted, that had trouble with the law. And no one wanted to talk about, how did that kid get from that picture of that, what looked like it's such a sweet little boy, up to this, this, this guy who had been through all this stuff and was a much different guy, that ended up in a scuffle that got him killed. Yet, they want to gaslight me and get me to believe that the guy was there.

• 1:06:28Tom Ellsworth?

  And Obama, oh, I don't have any sons, but if I had a son, I'd probably look like Trayvon. What was that, dude? What was that?

• 1:06:34Speaker 08

  Mistake.

• 1:06:34Tom Ellsworth?

  And I feel like, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:37Speaker 08

  It was a mistake.

• 1:06:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Talk about walking into a fist. He walked into a fist.

• 1:06:40Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Tom Ellsworth?

  And so this gaslighting that's here, it's, and I'll tell you.

• 1:06:44Speaker 08

  I don't think it's gaslighting.

• 1:06:45Tom Ellsworth?

  When Zaz goes to the Allen Company conference, he's going to brag about her. Oh, she goes up against it. She goes really quick. You should buy CNN, and by the way, she's on a rookie contract, she's really inexpensive, and we got rid of all the other bigger contracts, right? That's how they're going to do it. And CNN is, is on, man, they have not only jumped the shark, they're for sale. And everybody knows they're for sale, which is the part that shocks me. They live in the echo chamber, they love her inside the echo chamber. Oh, you're our girl. You're a tough girl. Boy, look at you. Inside the echo chamber, they love it. But outside, you're right.

• 1:07:17Speaker 08

  And she plays MAGA, by the way. Because she used to work for the, what, the Daily?

• 1:07:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Tucker, yeah.

• 1:07:22Speaker 08

  Yeah, she used to work for Tucker. She's from Alabama. You know, and look, I worked with her. She was a good reporter. She had deep, deep.

• 1:07:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, she was a great reporter.

• 1:07:30Speaker 08

  Reach into Trump world, okay? I don't know who it is or why it is, but she gets a lot of access from them and a lot of information. And that was what made her appealing. I, I like her. I get what she's doing there. I get what the play is. The problem is the ratings. And at the end of the day, you're only as good as your number in that business. People liked me, people didn't like me. I was number one. I was number one at CNN. Every month, I was number one. Yeah, but it's Anderson Cooper's house? True. I'm number one. Yeah, but Jake Tapper is going to be that guy who does the debates. I'm number one. You know, you are your number in that business. And if the numbers stay down, you're going to be gone. It's just how it is.

• 1:08:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're saying she ain't going away anytime soon?

• 1:08:14Speaker 08

  Well, look, based on the numbers, she'd be gone yesterday. It's all about what management wants to do.

• 1:08:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Where does she rank right now on CNN?

• 1:08:21Speaker 08

  Uh, I don't know, behind Anderson. And sometimes behind Jake, who's on at four o'clock in the afternoon. Look, they gotta figure out their numbers there. They're not unique in that position, but they definitely have problems in their primetime lineup. And that's okay. Business, you know, people go up and down. They gotta figure it out. I think the bigger problem is...

• 1:08:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that really the amount of viewership she's got?

• 1:08:43Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:08:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Hundred and nineteen thousand, that's it?

• 1:08:44Speaker 08

  Yeah, I'm telling you.

• 1:08:45Patrick Bet-David?

  There's no way in the world that's it.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a demo.

• 1:08:48Speaker 08

  Yeah, but that's the one that they sell.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:08:49Speaker 08

  And look, I'd love to have that number.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  What was it, eighteen to fifty-four?

• 1:08:55Speaker 08

  Uh, twenty-five to fifty-four. Now they're selling more often thirty-five to fifty-four because the marketplace is being forced to accept... That it's really people, people our age who have most of their disposable income.

• 1:09:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Five, four thirty, bear three thirty.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  I was original gangster on the five, the center seat on the five for six years. We were two to O'Reilly, these numbers, the whole cable news world is shrinking. We, we, these numbers are way down.

• 1:09:20Speaker 08

  Yeah, there's stratification, and that's okay. Because at the end of the day, there's still gonna be a flight to value and curated audiences. My concern about the culture is we're just addicted to the division. You know, like you and I will both hear things like, oh, you seem like, you know, you're like buddies. Like it was bad enough with Pat and his guys. Now Eric Bowling, you, they, we are a culture of division. People don't want to reward cooperation, friendship, amity, disagreement without being disagreeable. They like the sides.

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Do that, do you want, this is interesting.

• 1:09:52Speaker 08

  They like the sides.

• 1:09:54Speaker 04

  Bring something up?

• 1:09:54Speaker 08

  Go ahead, what do you got?

• 1:09:56Speaker 04

  I think you're, you're clearly the best on News Nation, clearly.

• 1:10:01Speaker 08

  I'm the best sitting next to you right now.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  News Nation is cast to pick a side. They haven't picked a side. They're, we're news for everyone.

• 1:10:07Speaker 08

  I'll get fired if I pick a side.

• 1:10:09Speaker 04

  Right. I contend.

• 1:10:10Speaker 08

  I will. They'll fire me.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  That's why News Nation can't make ground on Fox because people want a side.

• 1:10:17Speaker 08

  That's right.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  And News Nation wants to be all the news for all the people, which is admirable, but we're, we're in a bifurcated world right now.

• 1:10:23Speaker 08

  Eric, where are you? You're now where? You're with the Red Sea Ventures?

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  Well, Red Sea was bought by Fox Corporation. The digital portion is with Fox now, and but, but my cable portion is on Real America's Voice and, and YouTube and Rumble. Um, we're live there as well. So I, I own the show, but I license it to RAV and also license it to Fox.

• 1:10:45Speaker 08

  He's in the right place entrepreneurially and the country, you gotta bet on the country getting past the parties. That's my bet.

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  I agree with that, yeah.

• 1:10:55Speaker 08

  And it's not opportunistic. I mean, this is where I am. I don't like the parties. I never have. I say the same thing on Pat's show all the time. If your name's Cuomo, I'll vote for you. If you run as a Democrat, I'll vote for you as a Democrat if you need me in the primary. But I hate the parties. They are the problem in our culture.

• 1:11:11Speaker 04

  Stephen A. Smith get the support of Democrats?

• 1:11:13Speaker 08

  Yes. I think he can.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Even with his?

• 1:11:16Speaker 08

  Now, he won't get it if I have anything to say about it because I care about him too much. And I don't want to see him get chewed up by that system because they'll start coming for him. Right now he's on the ascendant and I think with good reason. I love Stephen A. I love what he's about.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Smart guy.

• 1:11:33Speaker 08

  And, uh.

• 1:11:34Speaker 04

  But he's, he's, he's pick and choose the issue. He's not straight blue.

• 1:11:38Speaker 08

  Yeah, but that's the way you gotta be. That's the way we are everywhere else in our life.

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  Can you get elected like that? I think Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Should be the next president. I really do, but people on my side, MAGA, don't like that because he comes from a Democrat place. And we've become so bifurcated. The country's just going wider and wider apart. They don't want to just beat the other side. They want to destroy. They want to, they don't want to see a two, one baseball game. They want to see a 12 to nothing blowout, no hitter.

• 1:12:04Speaker 08

  But I believe that's, those are the fringes in our everyday life where you are.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  That's rating them. That's where the ratings are.

• 1:12:10Speaker 08

  No, no question. No, I'm not, I'm not arguing that point. You win. What I'm saying is I'm betting on something bigger than that. Um, that there are more independent, critical thinkers in this country, uh, than we let on. Look, uh.

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  I'm sorry.

• 1:12:26Speaker 08

  Go ahead.

• 1:12:27Speaker 04

  They voted for Trump though.

• 1:12:28Speaker 08

  Some did, yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  Well, most, more than half.

• 1:12:32Speaker 08

  Some, some did, why? Because he's a known quantity. And what was going on with the left, mostly from a cultural perspective, because I believe they got baited into a fight that they couldn't win, was more removed from normal than Trump.

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  The left.

• 1:12:49Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, the left became so crazy.

• 1:12:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you this question, let me ask both of you guys a question. So Stephen A. Smith, uh, say he ends up running, okay? Will he have more momentum, will he have more momentum running as a Democrat or as a Republican? Forget independent, I'm saying Democrat or Republican?

• 1:13:06Speaker 04

  Democrat. He can't run as a Republican. MAGA's gonna hold, yeah, I mean, who, who, who's the heir to Trump? Is it, is it J.D. Vance? Is it Don Jr.? Eric Trump? Or, or one of the other Trumps, who knows? Could be Ivanka Trump for that. Who knows? No idea, but the, the throne right now is in MAGA's hands. I'm not Republicans at all. Throw out Republicans. No one even cares about the Republican Party anymore. It's, the new conservative party is Trump's party. It's MAGA, it's what we are. Stephen A. Smith, great, he would be a better disruptor of the left for us than actually running on our side.

• 1:13:44Speaker 08

  Look, I, look, I just think that Eric's right, but the, the virtue of Stephen A., okay, and I don't mean, I don't, I don't mean to like, you know, canonize this guy. And I'm afraid, because I know what happens, when somebody's getting elevated, there's now a price on you to bring you down. And I don't want to see that for him. So that's why I'm shy on this. But he is also a reminder that reasonable should be a commodity. He, it should be a commodity. The fact that, you know, you gotta be full-on MAGA, or you gotta want to kill Trump. You know, last night, I said, uh, I want the president to be successful in making the economy stronger for as many workers as possible, and to set us up for a better national security perspective.

• 1:14:30Speaker 08

  And I didn't say President Trump for a reason because I wanted people to just grab the concept of the office. Nope, I got savaged. Okay, you say anything about Trump, you get savaged. That's the problem. Nobody is like that anywhere else in their life, except in our politics. And Stephen A. Smith is a reminder that you don't have to be a rabid form of one or the other. And that's why I love him.

• 1:14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  See, I think Democrats are gonna destroy him if he runs as a Democrat. I think they will destroy him. I think eventually they'll want to control what he has to say and they'll have that meeting to say it's you better do this or else we have this on you and they won't. It's what your brother wasn't willing to do.

• 1:15:12Speaker 08

  You can't do that with him. You know Stephen well enough.

• 1:15:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I know. What I'm saying, it's not about you can or you can't. If you can't, then you can't run. Because in Democratic Party, they believe in arranged marriage. They believe in arranged marriage. They tell you, hey, Democrats, this is your president.

• 1:15:30Speaker 08

  They lost, they're down, they've never seen numbers like this, their organization is screwed up, nobody wants to give them money. So, I don't know that they'll have as much control. But I will tell you this, you are right about one aspect of the dynamic. I would be very surprised if the next one, two, three Democrats that we start talking about are inside the system. On some level, they will be perceived as outsiders. Maybe they'll be an office holder, but they're not gonna be seen as part of the establishment. I'm just, that's what I'm gonna go.

• 1:16:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Establishment on both sides are cooked.

• 1:16:04Speaker 08

  Because they're kicking my ass so much, the establishment side, that I know they're afraid of that.

• 1:16:10Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna be an Oprah. It's gonna be someone from the entertainment world who's got the smarts and also the charisma and the it factor like Trump. They need a Democrat version of Trump. Right now, no one's...

• 1:16:20Speaker 10

  Because, well, they don't have a, and I keep saying, the face. Who's gonna be the face? You have AOC and Bernie Sanders out there, like, by the way, there's no...

• 1:16:28Speaker 08

  That's a gift to you guys.

• 1:16:29Speaker 10

  Every time they speak, every time both of them speak, but when it comes like a Stephen A., you made a great point about like, not only they're gonna go after him, it's like, if the Democrats, because he's saying this himself, he's saying, I'm getting... Approach by these politicians, I'm getting all these people, if they're gonna back you and give all that money. My only fear is, just like how you said it, when you go in, okay, God willing, if he wins, because I think he's a great guy, I'm saying, I don't want, I want our side to win. But if he comes in, the promises that were made to you that you're giving back to them, it's the policies, are the policies, are you gonna reverse everything that we've been trying to do for the past? Four years, because that's exactly what Biden did. They come in, everything reversed, and the country went downhill. That's my only fear is whoever they pick, whoever the new face is gonna be, I can care about the face. It's what are you gonna do? What are gonna be your policies? That's the.

• 1:17:13Speaker 08

  It would be great if that's what the debate is. If the debate is about whose ideas make the most sense, then we win. Then we win.

• 1:17:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's we?

• 1:17:23Speaker 08

  We, literally, everybody wins. If it's about the ideas of what the country needs in that moment, we win.

• 1:17:31Speaker 10

  Good.

• 1:17:32Speaker 08

  If it's about who, we lose. If it's about why one side, you must vote for it because the other is worse, if that's the analysis, we lose. That is the trend we're seeing, is that we've been going down a reductive path. Um, I do think you do have to build in one thing to your calculus, though. I don't know that post-Trump, you have a MAGA next. That can, you, depending on how it goes, you could be running back to what you guys used to be, which was the character.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  I don't think that's ever gonna happen, but it, it, it will depend a lot largely on how the economy, how, how, you know, the borders, whether we're not, we're involved in any foreign wars. And if, if he does, if he stays true to, you know, you, you drill, you bring the price of oil down, you bring taxes down, the economy, the demand in our economy is there. You don't screw that up, and in two, two years, you hold the House and Senate, it's yours to lose. I mean, it's literally theirs to lose.

• 1:18:32Speaker 10

  Or if you listen to Steve Bannon and J D Vance becomes the president and then J D steps down, then you have another term of, hold on, a legal loophole, that that's what Steve Bannon is just.

• 1:18:42Patrick Bet-David?

  We talked about it on News Nation.

• 1:18:44Speaker 08

  It's not a legal loophole.

• 1:18:45Speaker 10

  Is that legal?

• 1:18:46Speaker 08

  You can't do it. You can't have the VP who has been a two-term president. Step up. That's the 22nd Amendment and the 12th Amendment, working together. Uh, don't, don't allow it.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  You don't like Bannon?

• 1:19:00Speaker 08

  Oh, no, I don't dislike Bannon. I'm, I'm saying that I get what he's doing. It's a great political play because it's creating this aspirational idea of that's how good Trump is. That we gotta figure out how to break the system. And I saw this playbook work for Bloomberg. Bloomberg in New York City took the city through a really hard time. They didn't want him to leave. So they went to the city council and changed the city charter to allow him to have another term. Now, can you do that on the federal level? Can you? Yeah. But you're not going to get a constitutional amendment for anything. The only loophole wouldn't be that one, Vinnie. It would be that it's a national emergency, so he can't leave.

• 1:19:40Speaker 08

  But not martial law, because then that's military rule. And that's a very tricky space. I get why Bannon's doing it. I don't how it could, know how it could ever happen.

• 1:19:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Eric.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  I, why not? I mean, there was, you know, we were, we, at the end of Obama 2.0, we thought Michelle was going to win and he'd pick Barack as her vice president. And she was going to step down in his third term of Obama.

• 1:20:06Speaker 04

  We got, uh, Joe Biden's third term of Obama. But no, I, I, listen, Bannon is a provocateur. He's a good friend of mine. He's on my show every single day. The last seven minutes of my show, we're with Steve. We do the handoff the way Ewan Lemon used to do the handoff at CNN. I think he's brilliant. I think he is the, the, uh, the original thought. Mind behind the populist movement, which is now not only in, in America, it's sweeping the globe.

• 1:20:30Speaker 10

  Well, did you say he would do what with Don Lemon?

• 1:20:33Speaker 04

  My show ends at, at five and he, uh, he, he picks up at five and we do a seven minute.

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  That was, that was my.

• 1:20:47Speaker 10

  I heard hands, whatever.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  The two of you back.

• 1:20:51Speaker 08

  You know how that started? The handoff? The handoff started.

• 1:20:56Speaker 08

  Jeff Zucker telling me you've got to stay over onto his show to kind of help mitigate whatever was going to come out of his face. I believe it.

• 1:21:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it. Wait, wait, wait. Zucker said, you gotta help start the show because who knows what he's gonna be saying.

• 1:21:17Speaker 08

  Well, one, I was the number one show, right? So you wanted to carry over, but it was, his take may or may not have been something that they wanted the CNN logo underneath in that moment. So they would have me stay on just to kind of like, let's hear where he's coming from out of the box.

• 1:21:33Patrick Bet-David?

  If you don't want a take of a guy, how long was Lemon with CNN? Why would you keep him?

• 1:21:38Speaker 08

  Long time.

• 1:21:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Why would you keep him?

• 1:21:40Speaker 08

  Because in a polarized environment, in a divided environment, people who are provocative and coming from a definite point of view resonate. Yeah, I mean, he checks all the marks. And by the way, Zucker's best friend is Don Lemon's best friend, who's his agent. So they had a real bond. How long was he there? That's why I didn't go full ham on Don for choosing Zucker's bullshit about what my life was over my own, even though we were friends. Because he was very close with Jeff and he wanted to keep his job. I got it. I didn't respect it, but I understood it.

• 1:22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the story with, you think CNN right now, by the way, your lawsuit is still pending with them, right?

• 1:22:22Speaker 08

  Yes.

• 1:22:23Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not done yet?

• 1:22:24Speaker 08

  No. No. Arbitration is a nightmare.

• 1:22:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Close to getting done or no?

• 1:22:29Speaker 08

  Also, they switched out their GC. So when you do that. Never a good sign. It's, you know, it's not a good sign for having them. And again, I say this, and I know it's frustrating. I loved being at CNN. I miss the people there. I never got to say goodbye to most of them. And I wish them well. I do not have a problem with CNN. I have a problem with the two guys who decided to lie about me and let me go. Um, that's my beef. And I'm not even looking for a huge payday. I just need to have one comma removed from the description of me, which is fired from CNN. True. Comma, for lying about what he did. I know I didn't. And I need that away because people love.

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That's literally the only thing you want.

• 1:23:12Speaker 08

  Yeah, because that's what they use on me all the time is, well, you were fired for lying, right? No, I was not fired for lying. I was fired because the new members, the new owners didn't like what I was and my boss was being pinched. And they sacrificed me. And that's okay. The way they did it was not okay. And that's all I want is I don't want you to be able to say Chris Cuomo's coming on today, who was fired from CNN, of course, for lying about how he helped it. I don't want that. I don't want it. I don't want my kids to have to see it. I don't want it as part of my reputation because it's not true.

• 1:23:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you and Zucker spoken since then or no? Nothing at all?

• 1:23:47Speaker 08

  No.

• 1:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Is CNN worth buying today?

• 1:23:50Speaker 08

  Um, yeah, I think it's a very, very, uh, powerful.

• 1:23:54Patrick Bet-David?

  At what price?

• 1:23:55Speaker 08

  Oh, I don't know. That's your world.

• 1:23:57Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're saying CNN is worth buying today?

• 1:23:59Speaker 08

  Yeah, I think it's a really powerful brand.

• 1:24:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You think the CEO of the company, Scott Jennings, will sell?

• 1:24:04Speaker 08

  I, I have no idea. I have no idea.

• 1:24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, Scott Jennings owns CNN.

• 1:24:10Speaker 08

  Look, I, I always, I always got, uh, I always got along with him. Um, I think it's really important for them. I think they should have more than one of him. We used to have like six of him. Now they only have one. Um, and I, I, I frankly thought that they had, um, uh, other ones that were even more effective as arguers. But.

• 1:24:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Who, such as who?

• 1:24:33Speaker 08

  It's really important to have, um, guys, my favorite one is, and I tell you, age is a horrible thing, Pat. What was the name of the guy ran for president? He was Senator, um.

• 1:24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Huntsman?

• 1:24:46Speaker 08

  Big, no, big Christian. Uh, he's got like seven kids.

• 1:24:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, Santorum.

• 1:24:50Speaker 08

  Santorum. Rick Santorum was a great, uh, great presence. Uh, you know, we used to get sideways every once in a while, but disagree, but not be disagreeable. That said, what he had that I think Chris Sununu needs a little bit of to become a real thing. I think Chris Sununu's got real potential. If you poked him too much, you were gonna get smacked in the head. And that's an important thing to have in debate, which is, hey, we're being respectful. When you've decided now you're not gonna be respectful, you you just made a mistake. And I'm gonna make you very aware of it very fast. Rick had that. And I think that's an important part of the mix.

• 1:25:32Speaker 08

  But I'm happy for Jennings' success, and I'm happy for CNN to have balance. It's really, really important.

• 1:25:39Patrick Bet-David?

  When are we gonna see a podcast with you and Lemon?

• 1:25:42Speaker 08

  Oh, I don't know. Why would I do it? Seriously, like, why would I do it? You think he's gonna apologize to me? I should have called you?

• 1:25:50Patrick Bet-David?

  The song would like, "Reunited, and it feels so good." You don't think like it's a...

• 1:25:56Speaker 08

  I wish, you know, I mean, look, you know me. I have nothing but good stuff for him. I I hope good things. I am a loyalty guy, okay? That's the end of the analysis for me. Doesn't mean I hate you, doesn't mean I want bad things for you, doesn't mean I'm looking to do bad things to you. Um, but you're a ride or die or you're not. And it's a very simple analysis. Um, I am very lucky to have people like you in my life. I'm very lucky to call a guy, you, Tom, Vinnie, Eric, you know, to have guys who are my friends, who I know I'll call up, I'm gonna get a straight read, and you're with me. And if you're not, you're gonna tell me. That's what matters to me in life.

• 1:26:40Speaker 08

  Um, people have different value systems. I'm not judging anybody's. I don't have, I never say bad shit about Tom. And I I want him to be successful. Why? Why wouldn't I? But why would I do a podcast with him? Is he gonna apologize? Do it to me man to man. I should have asked you what was going on. I should have heard your side. I shouldn't have just defaulted, uh, to doing what was good for me in that moment.

• 1:27:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Did he call you at all?

• 1:27:03Speaker 08

  No. Uh, look, yes, but not when he needed to and how he needed to. And again, I'm not judging it. I get it. I get it. Would I have done the same thing?

• 1:27:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:13Speaker 08

  No, because I am reckless with my self-interest where loyalty is involved. If, if like, if Vinny's in a pinch, I'm there for Vinny. Yeah, but Vinny, he may have screwed up. Hey, I'll deal with that later. Vinny and I will figure that out later. Um, but this is my guy. So against anybody else, I'm with you. Then we'll figure it out. Vinny, why did you do this?

• 1:27:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. What the hell, what the hell were you thinking?

• 1:27:38Speaker 08

  Vinny, dinner's on you for a long F-ing time. Um, but you're my guy. So would I do a podcast with him? To what end? To what end? Um, I don't find what he's saying particularly interesting, you know? Um, I, I'm not interested in hearing people tell me what's wrong. I'm not interested in it. I'm not interested in people telling me why they think somebody's bad. I'm, I'm, I'm good on that. I get it. What's better? How do we get better? What's your better idea? That's, that's what I'm doing on a regular basis.

• 1:28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. So, you know, you were with Bill Maher. You and him are doing a show together.

• 1:28:13Speaker 08

  Speaking of guys who are doing it the right way. Top of class.

• 1:28:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You're with Bill Maher. You're doing a show. He had just had Kid Rock on. Kid, Kid Rock invites him over to the White House. You're asking him questions, going back and forth. And then he goes on. And then he says on April 11th, or whatever the date was, you know, I'm gonna share with you guys what it was like to be at the White House.

• 1:28:32Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:28:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Himself, Dana, Chuck, uh, uh, Kid Rock and the President have time together. This is his breakdown of what happened after the visit to the White House. Rob, if you gotta go in and play the clip.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Just for starters, he laughs. I'd never seen him laugh in public, but he does, including it himself. And it's not fake. Believe me, as a comedian of 40 years, I know a fake laugh when I hear it.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  And I thank you for that. Example, in the Oval Office, he was showing me the portraits of presidents, and he pointed to Reagan and said, "In all seriousness, you know the best thing about him? His hair."

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• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  I said, "Well, there was also that whole bringing down communism thing, waiting for the button next to the Diet Coke button to get pushed and I go through the trap door."

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  But no, he laughed, he got it. Look, I get it. It doesn't matter who he is at a private dinner with a comedian. It matters who he is on the world stage. I'm just taking it as a positive that this person exists. Because everything I've ever not liked about him was, I swear to God, absent, at least on this night, with this guy. I never felt I had to walk on eggshells around him. And honestly, I voted for Clinton and Obama, but I would never feel comfortable talking to them the way I was able to talk with Donald Trump. That's just how it went down, make of it what you will. Me, I feel it's emblematic of why the Democrats are so unpopular these days.

• 1:31:08Speaker 08

  Amen. Thoughts? Uh, truth bomb. One, Bill Maher, top of class. He did the right thing going, and I agree with his description of President Trump 100%. And people who say it was wrong for him to go see him, they're the problem. People who are saying he's been red-pilled are stupid.

• 1:31:33Speaker 08

  People who are saying he just wants to be seen a certain way, don't know him. The guy is 70 years old, he's a made man, he needs nothing. He did this because he thought it was the right thing to do, and I agree with him 100%. And tonight, I got Geraldo coming on, who is, uh, thinks he's a hypocrite. And, uh, and look, I love Geraldo, okay? So, that's, this is my guy. Tonight, we're gonna, we're gonna-

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  Speaking of hypocrites.

• 1:32:03Speaker 08

  We're gonna get a little spicy though, because I don't agree. I don't agree.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  Geraldo?

• 1:32:08Speaker 08

  Yeah, I don't agree with him. I, I think that what Bill did was right. I think, uh, what he did was right. And I think we gotta defend it, because we need so much more of it. You can say, "Trump, I don't like that you're doing this, I don't like you doing this, I don't really like doing this, I don't like how you talk to him, I don't like it," but I don't have to hate you. And Trump is like, I don't have to tell you guys, you know him.

• 1:32:30Speaker 04

  Well, you ask Geraldo how he went four years at Fox, loving Trump while he was there, and then he leaves, and now all of a sudden he hates Trump, since he's-

• 1:32:39Speaker 08

  He would say-

• 1:32:39Speaker 04

  He's changed his opinion, but he's known him since-

• 1:32:41Speaker 08

  Yes, he would say, "I don't hate Trump, I miss my friendship with him, I couldn't stay with him after January 6th."

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  Trump hasn't changed any of his policies, Chris. I mean, he's, he's literally been closed the border, build a wall, close the border, deport illegals, since he-

• 1:32:56Speaker 08

  January 6th, and how you talk about Latinos, is too much for Geraldo, who is a Latino. That's his answer. Especially with illegals-

• 1:33:05Speaker 04

  Very convenient.

• 1:33:06Speaker 08

  Oh, no, big time.

• 1:33:07Speaker 04

  Very convenient.

• 1:33:08Speaker 08

  That's the hill that he will die on.

• 1:33:09Speaker 04

  January 6th, because it happened after the first term of Trump, where he was all in, when he was at Fox. I will contend that Geraldo loves the little right, little red dot above a camera, when it's on him, and he'll pretty much deliver whatever the people who are watching on the other side of that camera are looking for. And in your case, they want more Trump-

• 1:33:28Speaker 08

  Bashing or Trump derangement. My audience does not want more Trump bashing. My audience at News Nation is ridiculously centrist and oversampled independent. And I see in the ratings that as soon as anything starts to sniff inauthentic or gratuitous, we tank. People want to see things tested and clarified and have, get a reset on the show of what would be better than this. Now, look, I love Geraldo, but tonight, I disagree with him. We need so much more of what Bill did. Now, what happens is somebody says to me, oh, so you'd go see Trump?

• 1:34:11Speaker 08

  Look, no, I wasn't gonna go to Mar-a-Lago when, when Morning Joe went down there for the same reason that I wasn't gonna go with Tom Homan after Dr. Phil went and became an extension of the operation. I kneel for no one, okay? I, I, I, I do that never for anybody in any situation. And would I go to the White House? Yeah, I'd go to the White House. Would I speak to the President? Yeah, I'd speak to the President. Did I call him when people tried to kill him? Yeah. Why? Because I don't wanna see anything bad happen to him. Cause he's a father and a grandfather and I care about his family. And I don't have to like what he's doing.

• 1:34:56Speaker 08

  So, I have no problem with what Bill did. It is part of the solution.

• 1:35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, what do you think about what Bill said after going to the White House?

• 1:35:04Speaker 10

  Well, I think it just shows that everything that people, cause I, mind you, I saw clips of him like taking Trump out of context multiple, multiple times, as if Trump wasn't gonna go back and the fighting's happening. I just, I, I'm stepping back as a comedian going, when in the history of America could a, a rock, rock and roll guy, Kid Rock, be having dinner with somebody go, you know what? I think you should meet the President of the United States. And it happens like that. And Bill Maher, who is quote unquote, a comedian, I mean, he has, God knows how many writers writing his stuff for his show, but I, I think it's amazing that Trump has that much Access, we're at freaking UFC this weekend and I look at Pat and I'm like, Pat, first of all, thank you.

• 1:35:44Speaker 10

  I'm standing there and Cash Patel comes in, Elon Musk with X, there's Donald Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, Ted Koo, everybody, the accessibility to this guy, to get close to a guy, to have like you said, you have a problem? He brought the guy into the White House and sat down and said, you know, talk to me, talk to me. For him to take somebody that's the most, one of the most far out Trump hating TDS guys. And now he's brought him to where he's like, oh, he's actually not what I really thought. He disagrees, which you have to do, like, that's, I want that all the time. If you don't like the policy, say. But I think it's amazing that that's gonna show, because you know, you know, Bill Maher is gonna lose like fans. He's, I'm pretty sure people are unsubscribing and not watching that anymore because said,

• 1:36:29Speaker 10

  you're a traitor and you're going to the opposite, opposite side. I think what he did was freaking amazing. I still have a lot of disagreements with Bill Maher, but I think it was great. I think it's, it's making the country, for all the people that were like hating, now understanding that he's a freaking human being.

• 1:36:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what my concern was when we went to the White House? Let me see if I have this or not. If I have it, you guys gotta see it.

• 1:36:50Speaker 10

  To the White House?

• 1:36:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, not to the White House. When we went to, what do you call it?

• 1:36:53Speaker 10

  UFC?

• 1:36:54Patrick Bet-David?

  UFC. So some, somebody sends a picture, Rob, I gotta send this to you. Can you pull this up? They sent a picture of, Rob, I don't know if you got it or not. I just got it.

• 1:37:03Speaker 10

  Us with Trump?

• 1:37:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so they send this, and I don't know why they, they did this to Tom.

• 1:37:08Speaker 10

  Okay.

• 1:37:09Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is like, uh, the design, the graphic design, creative, Rob, you gotta pull this up. I mean, that's a pretty impressive, you know, depiction of Tom L's war. Tom, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta send this to your, you gotta, Kemp. She's gotta watch this. Go ahead and put that picture up, Rob. Look at Tom to the left.

• 1:37:26Speaker 10

  Tom's over in the left.

• 1:37:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at Tom to the left.

• 1:37:29Speaker 10

  Wow.

• 1:37:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm like, I'm like, oh, juice.

• 1:37:31Speaker 08

  Why'd they change my shirt to Future looks grim?

• 1:37:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Sponsored by TRT.

• 1:37:35Speaker 08

  The only guy who's even close to accurate in that is Dylan.

• 1:37:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That's Patrick. That's Patrick. That's the oldest.

• 1:37:43Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:37:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that's Patrick.

• 1:37:44Speaker 10

  Trump looks like Guile from Street Fighter II.

• 1:37:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump does look like Guile.

• 1:37:47Speaker 10

  Look at Vinny.

• 1:37:48Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, you did not even have, Tico to me goes and says, the only question I got is, why do they have Vinny with a beard? He doesn't have a beard. He shaved.

• 1:37:56Speaker 10

  Yeah, that's weird.

• 1:37:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back to that one right there.

• 1:37:58Speaker 10

  Go back to the regular one, Rob. Vinny always has a beard. Yeah, I've been trying to be, because I, by the way, I was gonna be in front of the president. I don't, I heard, he's not a big beard guy. They made you very white in that picture, by the way.

• 1:38:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Apparently I'm from Mississippi.

• 1:38:07Speaker 10

  I know. They anglicized you. You're alive. You're an American now. Rob, can you go to the original one, Rob? Can you go to the, show them the original right there?

• 1:38:14Patrick Bet-David?

  No more H1B visas.

• 1:38:15Speaker 10

  Look at that.

• 1:38:17Speaker 10

  Dude, I've never smiled that hard in my life for no reason. The bartender in the back is looking at it.

• 1:38:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He's so funny. The president is just so funny. No matter when you're around him, naturally, he's always got a sense of humor with him. Okay, let me go with this one announcement that Chris is very excited about and supportive of. Hex said, "Promise record $1 trillion Pentagon budget." If you want to play this clip, Rob, if you want to pull this out, this is, the markets responded favorably on this one when this was shown. If you don't have the clip, I'll-

• 1:38:47Speaker 10

  I do. Just give me, I'll find it in one second.

• 1:38:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, your thoughts on the story here with Hex said, "Promise on the trillion," and how the market kind of had a little bit of a bounce?

• 1:38:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, so I, I kind of did a double blink when I was listening to it. I said, "Wait a minute." So you got Doge at the Defense Department, you're like, what, 880 or something like that right now, 880B, you know, that you're spending? And you got Doge in there, you're laying off civilians that are in supplemental administrative positions, as you defined it? And you're, you're trying not to just drop all these arms off at NATO that, that now you want them to pay for? So that wouldn't be your defense budget. That would be with their bang from Boeing and Raytheon. Okay, I get it. But how do you, how do you get to the trillion thing? It's like, I'm gonna save all this money in government, and then, for my enemies, I'm gonna scare the hell out of you, because I'm bringing it up to a trillion.

• 1:39:39Tom Ellsworth?

  This is gonna be like Star Wars and Reagan. I'm gonna have a, have a, you know, you know, an even bigger, you know, weapon system that I'm gonna be there and do. And then, but the market goes- Did I hear $240 billion in EBITDA? I think I did. And so all the indexes, all the defense indexes move and it moves the market a little bit. Because the market, market is right now, and Eric, this is all you, is sentiment driven. If the sentiment is a good mood or a bad mood, it moves around. I've never seen the VIX moving with this like volatility. And so I'm like, guess what? It's not the volatility index. It's the velocity index. It's just the velocity of dollars that are coming, you know, it's like waves, high tide, low tide. So the VIX I look at and say, you know what?

• 1:40:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I'll get back to you someday and I'll trust you, VIX. But right now, all you are is a, is a measure of velocity. And guess what? A trillion dollars of defense is a hell of a lot of velocity.

• 1:40:33Speaker 04

  Pull up VXX for a second, not VI X, VXX. There's the index, there's the VXX, just VXX, not VI X.

• 1:40:41Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm sorry.

• 1:40:42Speaker 04

  VXX, yeah. You're right. The volatility, give it six months or a year or whatever, even five years even.

• 1:40:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Look at that.

• 1:40:50Speaker 04

  Look at that spike.

• 1:40:51Tom Ellsworth?

  April 2nd.

• 1:40:52Speaker 04

  Wow! Those spikes there, right at the end. That was the day that they announced the tariff. And what that is, it's, they call it a fear index or a confusion index. And people, Wall Street was genuinely blown away by the tariff announcement, even though they knew it was coming. And look, the only other time it happened recently was a massive spike. I don't even know what that, the event was in August of 24. It rarely ever goes to above 80. And it went from the low 20s teens to 75, 80 and is making its way back down as people digesting this. But the general idea is it's still elevated, Tom. It's still high, meaning the market, the players, the bigger players in the market are still uncertain

• 1:41:37Speaker 04

  of the direction of the market. Is it going to tank? It could go down another... Four or 5,000 points, is it gonna make, you know, new record highs? Who know, they don't know right now. And when that confusion is in the market, the VIX spikes.

• 1:41:49Speaker 08

  Why spend more, why spend more on defense right now?

• 1:41:52Speaker 10

  That's what I, I was just gonna say.

• 1:41:54Speaker 04

  That's the question.

• 1:41:55Speaker 10

  I was gonna say, why number one? And number two, how many audits has the Pentagon failed, Tom?

• 1:42:00Speaker 04

  All of them.

• 1:42:01Speaker 10

  How?

• 1:42:01Speaker 04

  Every one of them, they have a perfect record.

• 1:42:03Speaker 10

  Every single one. And then, I'm just curious, Pat, what is in that bill? Are we, just for defense spending? Are we spending, are we giving it to other countries to protect themselves because they're gonna help us? I wanna know where that, the worst timing for something like that is right now. Because you're right, Chris, we own all the nukes. I'm just letting you know, I worked at a nuclear missile base. We had 200 ICBMs in the ground with up to three or four or five warheads in each cone. Like, this missile goes into outer space, the reentry system is here, this thing opens up, we have. And that was one base. 80% of our arsenal is swimming around in the ocean. Nobody's messing with us, nobody has the, is dumb enough to do it. Why all them, I'm so confused. Why? As if we need that right now.

• 1:42:45Speaker 08

  It's the establishment war pimps wanting their money. And this is the biggest test, in my opinion, for the president. You are a disruptor. You are the man who says, I do not have to bow to anyone. And things are going to change about who gets to stay at the trough for the longest. These are the biggest pigs at the trough.

• 1:43:12Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:43:13Speaker 08

  And I just don't get it. I just don't get it.

• 1:43:16Speaker 04

  That, I don't agree with the theory, but the theory is that they're spending, whatever, 12, 15% more than the record they spent last year. And it continues to go up, is that Trump wants to retool our military. He wants to update, um... Missiles, fighter jets, it costs a lot of money to do that and that's, that's his vision. I don't necessarily agree with Vinnie, I agree with you that mutual destruction is always there.

• 1:43:41Speaker 08

  Creates STEM academies.

• 1:43:42Speaker 04

  And we will always have that, the, the upper hand on mutual destruction with any country in the world, including Russia, China, whomever. Um, but to, to, to completely, you know, come back with every nuclear sub retooled. All our fighter, he's doing the F-47, which is going to cost, what, a trillion dollars? So that's, that's how they get to those numbers.

• 1:44:01Speaker 08

  After he bashed the F-35, the F-47 is now going to cost, you know, whatever X of what the F-35 did, which Trump campaigned on how wasteful it was. He is an anti-extension guy militarily, uh, which I think is a virtue of his in terms of lining up with the American people. And this is a boogeyman. This is what, this is what the Cold War was. Look at Russia. Look at, you know, to Vinnie's point, when I went to Russia, when they were doing the nuke cleanup and I was in outer Siberia where they kept them, it was in a barn that was sealed with a wax string on wine racks.

• 1:44:40Speaker 04

  Were you wearing that tight black t-shirt when you were reporting?

• 1:44:43Speaker 08

  Every t-shirt on me is tight because I'm 225 pounds of bad intentions. But, no, I was wearing, uh, BDUs when I was there.

• 1:44:52Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:44:52Speaker 08

  And the Russian guys had no weapons and they had mixed-matched uniforms. And I was like, I don't get it, are they a special force? He was like, no, the uniforms are hard to get here and they sell the weapons because they haven't been paid in a few weeks. We made a complete boogeyman out of them. Now they want to do it again about China. You want to cut money, the DOD is there, okay? You want to deal with Medicaid, you want to make it more efficient, you want waste, fraud and abuse? Fine, fine, fine. All of those boxes get checked in a big way there. And if that place wins again, then you are no better than who you replaced in terms of going after the powerful.

• 1:45:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's interesting because if I'm not mistaken, the F-47 Boeing makes, right? Mm-hmm. This morning, this news came out at 7:00 a.m. this morning, Rob, with China. Did you guys see the story about, uh, Rob, I send you the story of, uh, New York Post, China Halts Boeing Deliveries As Trade War With U.S. Intensifies. Did you see that?

• 1:45:44Speaker 04

  I saw Boeing jets.

• 1:45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, Boeing jets, we're not talking, so if you want to go a little bit lower. Uh, so China has ordered its airlines to halt all jet orders for American manufacturers Boeing in response to President Trump's tariffs hitting the country with tariffs as high as 145. Beijing has additionally told Chinese carriers to not purchase any aircraft-related equipment from American companies, Bloomberg News reported. The order comes, Rob, the order comes after China was under 25%. Okay, go a little bit lower. And Boeing shares dipped 3% in pre-market trading Tuesday over the pause in the shipments to China, which the company views as one of the biggest growth markets despite being dominated by rival Airbus. Can you go to Boeing's stock real quick, just to kind of see what it looks like?

• 1:46:29Speaker 04

  Down.

• 1:46:31Patrick Bet-David?

  What is it, 2%? Yeah, it's down 2% for the day. Interesting. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 1:46:38Tom Ellsworth?

  On Boeing?

• 1:46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Just the trillion Boeing, all of it combined.

• 1:46:41Tom Ellsworth?

  So, you know, sometimes those headlines I look at and I say, wait a minute, we were kind of expecting this because China's intra-country travel has been down. The people inside China have been traveling less because their economy has been, let me look, down. And so they've had these issues. And so Boeing, I think, was expecting a moderation in the, in the, the deliveries of the P O that they got there. And so this headline is kind of like, you know, we kind of saw it coming, but now they say, well, China is telling Boeing not to do it because they want to, you know, stab at the United States on this. Well, I think there's a lot of that there, too.

• 1:47:26Tom Ellsworth?

  But the, the point is, and Eric alluded to it, there's a lot of things going on in that economy over there that are not particularly up and to the right. And so there's a lot of industries over there that were moderating and for them to also come in, and by the way, I don't want you to buy Boeing planes. Well, I wasn't going to buy four, uh, three of them anyway. Well, don't buy the fourth. You know, it's, it, that's the way it felt to me. Kind of, kind of scammy.

• 1:47:48Speaker 04

  Put, hit that one month on that chart right there.

• 1:47:53Speaker 08

  April 2nd, see that day? That's the tariff announcement, boom. So it's making its way back. It's 157 ballpark and it was only in the 160s, 170s prior to that. So Boeing's still gonna make airplanes, sell them around the world. China's still gonna be a producer. This tariff game is, it's scary. And this is a rather flat trading window. This is not a disaster.

• 1:48:19Patrick Bet-David?

  When do we find out what's in that trillion dollars?

• 1:48:22Speaker 08

  If you do a two year, maybe even a five, watch how low Boeing gets. See, at some point, Boeing was down. They had those airplanes falling out of the sky. That was more detrimental than Boeing stopped than China making, yeah. Boeing jets were falling apart. The MAX, Boeing MAX, right? Not a good product launch. Never good. But look, I'm just saying that this is a no brainer. All right, you're in reduction mode right now, right? In terms of government spending. And of course, everybody supports the military and want a military. And you know, Vinnie, you know, Pat, you know, everybody knows this, whether you've served or not. You talk to those people, they'd be the first ones who tell you that there's a lot of money wasted in that place and it's not in the right things.

• 1:49:05Speaker 08

  And we have way, way too much infrastructure versus our warrior component. You know, it's just always benefited because there's an optic that if you put money into military, it means that you're strong. Yep.

• 1:49:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I just looked up what's in the budget for fiscal 2025. It says 850 billion, even though he's saying over a trillion. 4.5% raise for service members, 14.5% increase for junior enlisted troops. Which if you remember, Vinnie, during Obama, I think the military got a raise of 1% for like four, five, six years, that's it. They didn't get a big raise. So they're giving them a bigger raise to get people to want to join. 287 is going to operations and maintenance. 172 is going to procurement, including aircrafts like the F-35. R and D and test and evaluation, 142, 143 billion. They're testing funds for programs like the B-21 stealth bomber and a next generation air dominance.

• 1:50:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Military construction and family housing, 17.5 billion. Defense health program, 40 billion. Nuclear modernization is another 33.5 billion. International Security Assistant doesn't say the number. But I'd be curious to know where that money is going to be going. Let me get to the next story here. This one's kind of interesting, and I wonder what you guys will say about this, both of you. Kristi Noem urges people to get real IDs to keep our country safe. This is a Breitbart story. Department of Homeland Security, DHS, Kristi Noem encouraged Americans to get real IDs, stating in a video on X, which, here's the clip. Rob, if you want to play the clip first, and then I'll get into the rest of it.

• 1:50:39Speaker 17

  Hi, I'm Kristi Noem, the United States Secretary of Homeland Security. If you plan on traveling, we need your help to prevent delays and to prove your identity. Get a real ID. Starting May 7th, you will need a real ID to travel by air or to visit federal buildings in the United States. These IDs keep our country safe because they help prevent fraud and they enhance security. Please do your part to protect our country. Go today and don't delay. To learn more, go to DHS.gov/real-ID. Thank you.

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• 1:52:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Chris, what do we know about these real IDs so far?

• 1:52:19Speaker 08

  What, I don't know what there is to know that makes them suspicious. I have one.

• 1:52:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Eric?

• 1:52:23Speaker 04

  Same. It's a great idea. This is obviously the precursor to requiring an ID to vote, which is great.

• 1:52:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom?

• 1:52:31Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree. We've had real ID standards since Texas. We have one with the star in Texas. And when I came down here, I noticed my new driver's license here had the star, and I think it's a good thing. And by the way, I'll add something. When I went from California to Texas, and I surrendered my California driver's license, they say, I'm sorry, that's not an acceptable form of ID. Because it's been compromised, because you can get it as a general ID, and so we need a birth certificate or something. So I actually went and got my social security card, tattered it was, in this plastic envelope. I came back, is this good enough in this, in my passport? Yes. But it was so funny that you couldn't get a driver's license in Texas in 2015 by trading in a California license, because they said, that's not good.

• 1:53:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's funny, yesterday we're in a meeting, and one of our guys like, man, let me tell you, this real ID stuff's a bit concerned. You gotta be careful with it. They're doing this. He's kind of giving his own feel. And then Danny Canal, Danny's like, um, do you have a Florida ID? Yeah. He says, you know, if you have a Florida ID, it's a real ID. He says, really? Take out your ID. Says, yeah, that star is real. I said, oh, cool. I got a real ID. It was the funniest moment for a second, because at first it was like,

• 1:53:39Speaker 08

  Big Brother.

• 1:53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:53:41Speaker 08

  Skepticism is the lowest form of intelligence.

• 1:53:42Speaker 10

  And that's because that's us, because we have it, because, you know, they updated the system. But I think forcing everybody to do it, it isn't about security or stopping fraud. It's about control. The last time we saw it was with the Patriot Act, where they were locking down on everybody, and they, they, they're wrapping it in this polite language of we want to help you fly, but they're building a federal tracking system. That's what it, that's what it comes down to. And they're making people do it. You can't go into a, if you don't get it, Chris, you can't go into a VA, you can't do any federal building, any, any federal court system, anything, you can't go into the building. And I think it's, it's an excuse. Well, what I'm saying is they're forcing people to do it because they want to track everybody in this sense.

• 1:54:24Speaker 08

  You need to have an ID to vote, but you don't think the government has the right to know who's in the country?

• 1:54:27Speaker 10

  No, they know who's in the country, but a real ID, this is overstepping a little bit more. Because of all the, all the stuff that, you don't want it entails to get.

• 1:54:35Speaker 08

  Yeah, I actually have the form on my phone right now because I went for the enhanced one. It's, it's all regular bullshit information, Vinnie. There's nothing, there's nothing discreet in there.

• 1:54:44Speaker 10

  I, I just think, you know.

• 1:54:45Speaker 08

  Vinnie, I got the form on my phone.

• 1:54:47Speaker 10

  There's nothing different of it? So what's, so a regular ID, what's the upgrade to the real ID?

• 1:54:52Speaker 08

  You gotta show where you live, you gotta show a, a tax thing, a W two. And, uh, your registr- your car registration.

• 1:55:02Speaker 10

  So what, so what's the difference between just your regular identification? They have to know where you live, they have to know, you know what I mean?

• 1:55:08Speaker 08

  You, you, you submit, you submit a couple of more things that prove who you are. I mean, I think you got a little boogeyman.

• 1:55:15Speaker 10

  I don't, any, anytime that they're trying to say like, listen, this is the, we want this.

• 1:55:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask this question though. We had a podcast somewhere about a year ago. Rob, I don't know if you remember this, with this lady, her name is Candace, I believe. And this other guy, what's his name? Chris.

• 1:55:32Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:55:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you remember these, there was like this moment on this podcast where there was a conversation about IDs?

• 1:55:38Speaker 08

  About voter, voter ID.

• 1:55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you remember this, uh, I'm trying to remember this podcast.

• 1:55:43Speaker 08

  I do, I remember fine. Look, I get the policy arguments against wanting voter ID. I get it.

• 1:55:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you this, here's where I'm going. Here's where I'm going, Rob, if you wanna, uh, do you have it? Just press the clip, see if it gets to it or not. But, uh, I just hope we don't get a flag for playing a clip from another channel.

• 1:56:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that it, Rob? Is that the part?

• 1:56:04Speaker 08

  That's where it peaks, yeah.

• 1:56:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's see it, let's see if that.

• 1:56:06Speaker 12

  I was 16 years old because I wanted to drive and pick up my boyfriend.

• 1:56:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I get it, and.

• 1:56:10Speaker 12

  And those are the reasons people get IDs. That's simple. I love you too.

• 1:56:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I get it. What I'm saying is. Okay, you can stop. I don't know when we're gonna, it's a thirty, thirty minute clip if you guys want to see, go watch it.

• 1:56:21Speaker 08

  Look, I get, I get the arguments that they make against voter ID, that the people who won't have one, who wind up not voting are the same people Republicans don't want to vote.

• 1:56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  But this, this is about, this is about, it's funny because this kind of a, gets a conservative to be against it and gets a liberal to be for the ID.

• 1:56:39Speaker 08

  But I'm not a liberal.

• 1:56:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Just hear me out for a second, hear me a second. He's a, he's a, he's a, what, it was a, what was the word I used, it was a, a reasonable leftist? Or what was it, tolerable leftist, some word like that?

• 1:56:51Speaker 08

  Common sense leftist?

• 1:56:52Patrick Bet-David?

  But anyways, that's today, it's a free agent, it's a different story.

• 1:56:55Speaker 08

  You're both choochoos.

• 1:56:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But check, check this out, check this out. What if, Chris, they take the next step with these IDs?

• 1:57:01Speaker 08

  What's the next step?

• 1:57:02Patrick Bet-David?

  The next step is that a hundred percent of people in America need an ID to vote.

• 1:57:07Speaker 08

  Yeah, you're gonna have a big political fight. The left is going to say that you're disenfranchised, and now they may have allies with Vinnie.

• 1:57:13Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way.

• 1:57:16Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point. You understand what just happened? This was so funny what just happened right now because he's sitting here saying, what's wrong with it?

• 1:57:24Speaker 10

  I'm like, it's more control and more data basis.

• 1:57:27Speaker 08

  I was never against it.

• 1:57:27Speaker 10

  The government.

• 1:57:28Speaker 08

  I was never, I was never against it.

• 1:57:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You are funny.

• 1:57:31Speaker 08

  I'm ready.

• 1:57:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Hold on, there's so many conservatives with Vinnie on this libertarian say, don't get out, get out of my life. And then, but wait. Yeah. Let's talk about gun registries then. Well, now we don't want it.

• 1:57:44Speaker 08

  We have a gun registry.

• 1:57:46Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:57:46Speaker 08

  When you go, there's a federal registry. You and I both had to sign up. Like, I'm, wait a minute.

• 1:57:51Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not true.

• 1:57:51Speaker 08

  When you buy a weapon, you have to fill out paperwork for the federal government. They make a phone call and do a check on you.

• 1:57:59Speaker 10

  There's a waiting period.

• 1:58:00Speaker 08

  Depends, depends on what kind of weapon and where you are.

• 1:58:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You can purchase guns legally without having a, a background check.

• 1:58:07Speaker 08

  Where?

• 1:58:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Any, gun shows. Gun shows.

• 1:58:11Speaker 08

  Look, that's the loophole, right?

• 1:58:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, but, but my point is, I'm a conservative, I'm saying keep your registries off my Second Amendment.

• 1:58:20Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:58:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yet I also want a voter ID, a real ID to vote. I mean, there's a bit of a hypocrisy there.

• 1:58:27Speaker 08

  Well, I don't, I don't think it's hypocrisy, I think it's conditioning, okay? I think that we are a gotcha culture. That you have to line up with a side and if you're gonna go against the side, you gotta say something that kind of keeps your legitimacy with them, you know, yelling, "Oh, I agree with Yellen on this, but she's a terrible leftist who is whatever." You know, you gotta keep, you gotta keep your DAP with your side, which is part of the problem. I'm telling you, when you buy a weapon, you have to go through the, the federal register. Maybe not at a gun show, I don't know, I bought it, I bought it as, I bought my weapons at stores. But, you know, fine, you want a background check everywhere, I don't have a problem with that. Most responsible gun owners don't. Our beef is with how people keep their guns. And let people get access to them and don't store them safely and then you have bad things.

• 1:59:13Speaker 08

  The voter ID, I'm just laying out to you what the resistance is. The resistance is that you want voter ID because the people who don't have an ID are the people who don't vote for you. That's their argument against it.

• 1:59:26Speaker 04

  Or the people who don't have an ID aren't citizens.

• 1:59:28Speaker 08

  Don't belong in the country. Look, and, and that's the counter. And then you get into the-

• 1:59:32Speaker 04

  It's a big counter, Chris. It's not like a little, you know, caveat there, it's, it's-

• 1:59:35Speaker 08

  Well, except that every time they've looked-

• 1:59:37Speaker 04

  We just had, Elon Musk just discovered 2 million people, 2 million illegal- Doge, I'm sorry, Doge discovered 2 million people-

• 1:59:45Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:59:45Speaker 04

  With social security numbers and they were illegals. With US social security numbers.

• 1:59:50Speaker 08

  Now, first of all, why? Here's the answer. Because employers take illegal workers and get them into the system because they have to pay FICA for them. And that's why they do it. It's not a boogeyman, it's not a gotcha. You wanna say they vote. Every time they have looked at it, conservative organizations, they found 150 what they believed may be people who shouldn't have voted, voted out of 27 million ballots.

• 2:00:19Speaker 04

  Okay, well, maybe, I'm not sure that number's right, I'm not gonna agree with that.

• 2:00:23Speaker 08

  You got the guy right there.

• 2:00:24Speaker 04

  They have many millions, maybe, who are, who are receiving social security benefits. Who aren't even looking at legal citizens.

• 2:00:32Speaker 08

  They pay in, they don't necessarily receive benefits.

• 2:00:35Speaker 04

  Sure they do, you have to, when you hire them, you gotta pay the FICA.

• 2:00:38Speaker 08

  That, they- Chris.

• 2:00:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Google it.

• 2:00:41Speaker 08

  How many, how many people are here illegally doing landscaping jobs or cleaning hotel rooms or working in restaurants?

• 2:00:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Who aren't doing any of that.

• 2:00:49Speaker 08

  I don't think they get the benefits more than they pay in, to be honest. I don't think so. Now, look, I have no problem with the border policy. I was on this show and everywhere else saying that Biden handed the election to Trump. I don't believe that Trump won. I believe that Biden and the Democrats lost it. And that issue was a big part of it. And I think you gotta give him his props for doing what he said he was going to do. I have no problem with any of that. I'm saying there is no inconsistency for me in saying I have no problem with a real ID when the, I'm telling you, I'm trying to find the, the application.

• 2:01:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Why don't we get that for everybody? Let's get it for everybody.

• 2:01:24Speaker 08

  I'm telling you, I have no problem with it. I'm telling you politically what it'll be.

• 2:01:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I know what it'll be, but, but if we got everybody to get real IDs, everybody to get real IDs to vote, oof.

• 2:01:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you imagine 16 years, if, if they get real IDs for everybody?

• 2:01:44Speaker 08

  If everybody has them, you have no issue. It's that you won't give them to everybody. That will be the problem. Is that you have to go in or you have to fill out the form. It's like the thing with social security.

• 2:01:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You just said, why are you worried about a boogeyman, Chris? There is no boogeyman. It's just an ID. Why you look like you worried this? This is not one of those boogeyman stuff. You're overthinking this, Chris.

• 2:02:04Speaker 08

  I'm not worried. I'm saying if everybody gets one, you don't have a problem. The question is, who doesn't go and get it?

• 2:02:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Like you, then it's your job to sell them on going and getting the ID to get a vote. It's not that big of a deal. It's just a form. You know, they can do it. You just said it's easy. So I'm glad that from a year ago to today, Chris now believes everyone needs an ID to vote.

• 2:02:23Speaker 08

  I have not changed. I told you what the arguments were against it.

• 2:02:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I got two real IDs, one in Florida, one in Texas.

• 2:02:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Your fellow liberals are gonna be so pissed off that you're disenfranchising the illegal voters they work so hard to import.

• 2:02:36Speaker 08

  You, you guys call me.

• 2:02:38Patrick Bet-David?

  This bad influence gets Chris.

• 2:02:39Tom Ellsworth?

  You know how hard we work to get 20 million illegal people into this country and now they're being disenfranchised, damn it?

• 2:02:45Speaker 08

  You guys call me a liberal, the same reason liberals use conservative as a bad word, because it allows somebody to be your opponent. I'm not your opponent. I'm being reasonable.

• 2:02:54Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm completely messing with you on this one.

• 2:02:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he's not. Tom's not messing with you.

• 2:02:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Maybe, well, maybe.

• 2:02:58Speaker 10

  You saw that photo of him? He's serious all the time.

• 2:03:00Speaker 08

  I'm gonna put hands on Tom as soon as I see him.

• 2:03:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my gosh. You should, you should. It's like a handoff, you know, it would be a handoff with you and Tom.

• 2:03:06Speaker 04

  The way you put hands on Don Lemon?

• 2:03:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go to this next one here. Alright, I want to see what's gonna happen here.

• 2:03:11Speaker 04

  I don't want either way.

• 2:03:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran and US envoys hold first negotiation over Tehran's nuclear program and talk face to face, okay? Rob, if you got a clip on this.

• 2:03:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, US Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Arghchi, uh, uh, Arghchi held the first face-to-face talks since the Obama era with the White House stating, "Special Envoy Witkoff's direct communication today was a step forward in achieving mutual beneficial outcome." Trump's commented on Air Force One, is this the one that you have, Rob?

• 2:03:46Speaker 14

  Yes, I have too. I have, uh, President Trump and then I also have Pete Hegseth discussing what would happen if they don't come to a deal.

• 2:03:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to Trump first and then we'll go to Hegseth, go for it.

• 2:03:55Speaker 06

  Can't have nuclear weapons. And I think they're tapping us along because they, we're so used to dealing with stupid people in this country. And I had Iran, perfect, you had no attacks, you would have never had October 7th in Israel, the attack by Hamas, uh, because Iran was broke, they were stone cold broke when I was president. And I don't want to do, I want them to be a rich, great nation. The only thing is, one thing, simple, it's really simple, they can't have a nuclear weapon. And they gotta go fast, because they're fairly close to having one. And they're not gonna have one. And if we have to do something very harsh, we'll do it. And I'm not doing it for us, I'm doing it for the world.

• 2:04:39Speaker 06

  And these are radicalized people, and they cannot have a nuclear weapon.

• 2:04:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Eric, thoughts?

• 2:04:46Speaker 04

  I, I think he's being very nice. I, I think Iran is a state sponsor of terror, they've always been, they, they will never not be. I think, he's right, um, October 7th wouldn't have happened if Trump were president. I don't think Russia would have attacked Ukraine if Trump were president. I, I, I don't, y- yes. Try and prohibit them from getting a nuclear weapon at all costs, I'm not sure it's gonna happen. But I think the smarter thing to do is continue the, the massive sanctions on that country until they... I don't know, Patrick, they're run by religious fanatics and they hate the West and they hate everything we're about. I don't think there's any changing their mind and certainly not in our lifetime. I think a tough hand with Iran is better than trying

• 2:05:31Speaker 04

  to negotiate with them.

• 2:05:32Speaker 08

  Here's your exit and then Chris, I'll come to you. Go ahead, Rob.

• 2:05:34Speaker 12

  We've had direct talks yesterday. They began in the past. It's been indirect talks with a mediator, but there's Steve Witkoff meeting with the Foreign Minister of Iran. What can he tell us?

• 2:05:44Speaker 18

  Well, I can tell you that President Trump is dead serious on this issue. He's dead serious that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. He's said that for 20 years. He's been consistent. That is clear. He's dead serious that he wants it done at the negotiating table. He wants it done peacefully. And that's why he's going straight to these talks. He's set that deadline. These were productive talks yesterday. I don't want to get ahead of our skis. Steve Witkoff does a fantastic job, but it was a good step and they're going to go at it again on Saturday. But he's also dead serious that if we can't figure this out at the negotiating table, then there are other options to include my department to ensure that Iran never has a nuclear bomb. We hope we never get there. We really do, Maria. But what we're doing with the Houthis and what we're doing in the region, we've

• 2:06:28Speaker 18

  shown a capability to go far, to go deep, and to go big. And again, we don't want to do that, but if we have to, we will to prevent the nuclear bomb in Iran's hands.

• 2:06:37Speaker 08

  Chris.

• 2:06:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Amen, brother.

• 2:06:39Speaker 08

  Chris.

• 2:06:40Speaker 04

  One half thoughts on this, but.

• 2:06:42Speaker 08

  Well, let's do this. You have a different set of perspectives. I want to hear it first, then I'll tell you.

• 2:06:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:06:51Patrick Bet-David?

  For me with this, obviously, right now, everybody is thinking, remember how I said the whole thing with negotiating with China? Okay, here's the terms. This is how it's going to work. You're going to do this and we're going to agree to this. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. You're going to do this and we're going to do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And you're going to do this and we're going to do this. Oh, for sure. Absolutely. All right. Here is a deal. Let's sign and we leave. We hold our end of the bargain. You don't hold your... You think Iran doesn't already have one, if not close to it? If you don't think they have one, or they're not close to it, you're part of the naive community. Of course they have it. They're saying the number they were looking at was the what's...

• 2:07:31Patrick Bet-David?

  The limit said, Rob, if you can pull up the limit set for nuclear negotiation with Iran is at 3.67%. I think it's the number for enriching uranium. They're at 60%, okay? And the negotiation was at 3.67%. Over the last 15 years, Iran would reduce the stockpile of low enriched uranium by 97%. They haven't. They're not listening to you. So, well, maybe they're taking time because they really want to negotiate this. Khamenei said, "I'm neither overly optimistic, neither pessimistic." So here's the reality of it. Let's just say you do deal with them. How are you going to hold them accountable that they're not doing it? Let's actually find that part out, okay? Yeah, we're not building a nuclear weapon. How do you know? How do you audit them? How do you find out?

• 2:08:14Speaker 04

  Remember, we tried to do that with them once.

• 2:08:15Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you do it?

• 2:08:16Speaker 04

  They didn't let us... We had inspectors that were told to go in, and they shut the door.

• 2:08:19Patrick Bet-David?

  They shut the door. So, so how do we know anyways?

• 2:08:22Speaker 04

  They don't. This isn't about negotiating with Iran. This is about saying, "Cut the shit. We put a second nuclear strike force in the region, sitting there right now. We're going to show force and have them..." I don't know. I don't know, Pat. Maybe Israel goes in and does what they did in 19... What is it, 82? Where we were playing games with Iran and Israel in the middle of the night, when night wipes out their whole nuclear program.

• 2:08:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, here's what happened. A lot of people that have foreign nationals, a lot of people that have folks living in Iran right now for deals, they're moving their folks out. They're saying, "Come home." Whether it's Europe, Asia, Middle East, they're saying, "Come home." Tensions are too high. They may be attacking the nuclear facility that they have. That threat is there. The ships are already out there, close to Iran anyway. So it's like, they're close enough to be able to say, "We can do something." But it's one of two things.

• 2:09:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Either you know they got a nuclear weapon. And you're not negotiating. You just need this as an excuse to attack. Either that's one, okay? Or two, you are naive and you believe they have nuclear weapons or getting close to it. And you're trying to find a way to negotiate with them to get something done. I don't think that's the case. So which one is it? Is it, are we opening up for Israel to do what they want to do? Does Israel want to do something? Would Israel like to attack their nuclear facilities? Do you think Israel, as strong of an intelligence unit that they have, that they claim they have, that, you know, we've all seen it and read about it? Do you think they already have some insiders that know exactly where the...

• 2:09:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Like, what do you think are the chances of them knowing exactly where the, where the facilities are?

• 2:10:00Speaker 10

  Hundred percent.

• 2:10:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Very high.

• 2:10:01Speaker 10

  Perfect. I'm going a hundred percent. I know I'm not supposed to say it.

• 2:10:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll take the over. Yeah.

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• 2:11:08Patrick Bet-David?

  They know. Okay, so let's say we're sitting there saying they know. Alright. Do you think Israel is gonna wait on US's lead on how to negotiate this? Or do you think Israel's reputation is they may be saying, "Let's put this out there, give us the permission to go in and do the job."

• 2:11:29Speaker 04

  No, permission. Give us the support. Give us everything we need, just give us the wink. "We're not gonna put your fingerprints on it, we'll take care of it like we did in..."

• 2:11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Define support, define support.

• 2:11:39Speaker 04

  Oh, and assets, intel, everything. Whatever they need to get it done.

• 2:11:45Patrick Bet-David?

  They're gonna get the intel, they already have the intel.

• 2:11:47Speaker 04

  Okay, so yeah, so this is all, I would agree with, if your thesis is, or if your conclusion is, that this is doing all the diplomatic steps that they need to take, and then figure out the best, CIA can't do it. They're too exposed right now. If it happens, it would have to be through Israel.

• 2:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran needs somebody to get behind, because even with this, let's just say they do something. Something happens to Khamenei, who's gonna replace him? Somebody else from the same exact regime. So they need, like, someone within Iran needs to step up, or from the outside. Someone with a strong backbone, who wants the job, has to rally and win the people over, or someone needs to come to, a group of people need to come, like, who were we talking to the other day? Oh, JD Vance's brother was here yesterday. And we're having a great time, we're giving a tour of the property, he wanted to see the place. Cory, we're having a conversation together, and they said for many, many years, the family was saying, "JD, you ought to run." And JD didn't wanna run. But for many years, like, "Yeah, I'm just a business guy. No, you ought to run, you ought to run."

• 2:12:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Finally, it's like, "Listen, I'm getting so much support, that I'm running." You know, sometimes guys like, really, really wanna run, and you can feel the ambition? Then there's the guys that don't wanna run. "But you're the right guy for the job, right?" Okay. Iran needs to get behind somebody to rally, to change the flipping climate that's in Iran. FYI, if Iranians are watching this, you only have three and a half years left. That's it. You have three and a half years under him, Trump. He's not gonna do the job for you guys. He said it on the podcast. But the climate is ripe right now that if you guys do your part, and you get behind somebody, and somebody with courage that's willing to come and do something in Iran, you guys have a fighting chance right now.

• 2:13:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe you haven't had a chance like this. You had a couple in the last 15, 20 years. This is a chance for somebody in Iran to step up, a voice, or for you to rally behind, to say, "We want things to change." President's not gonna do it for you. Trump's not gonna do it for you. Nobody else is gonna do it for you. It has to be internal. If you get close to the finish line, then somebody can help you. But you have to show that you're getting close to the finish line. Nobody else is gonna do that part. You gotta go that close to it. Then if you do, then the other person's gonna be like, "Great." It shows that you're interested. It shows that you're committed to it. It shows you're willing to go through the pain. But I think if Iran, similar story for me with China. The reason why I'm supportive with the tariff stuff that we're doing right now is because I know

• 2:14:12Patrick Bet-David?

  somebody else has to deal with the tariffs with China in the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years. You're not gonna have another guy like Trump in a while. You're not. You got one right now. And it's not, "Hey, come cause a war." No. Why don't you guys do something there to wanna change the revolution? Get up there again, start making some noise. This is the time for Iranians to wanna do it. I don't say it's an easy thing. I'm not sitting here saying, "Hey, how come you're not thinking about the livelihood of our families and all this other stuff?" I don't say it's gonna be easy. All I'm saying to you is, if you want Iran to change. So, when we think about the Middle East pre-79, the Middle East was pretty peaceful. They didn't have a lot of issues in the Middle East pre-79, Khomeini coming in. Ever since 79, Khomeini came in, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard came in,

• 2:14:57Patrick Bet-David?

  the Middle East has been in shambles. Not Iran, the Middle East has been in shambles since 79. It's been 46 years now. What if some of the folks out there start rallying behind some names? We'd love to know some of these names. Right now, if I told you who's the voice, who would you say? We don't have a lot of names. Who is it? Who's going out there? Who's holding meetings? Who's going across out there at Dubai, holding meetings with a lot of different leaderships coming through? Who's doing that? I don't know. I don't think a lot of it's happening, or else the rest of the world will be talking about it. But I think Iran has a chance to do something with it right now. And this discussion, I think at any point, if the speculation is that these guys, Israel, is hoping to kind of like, set it up for us to attack, at any point, something can happen there.

• 2:15:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And I don't think it's gonna be, we're trying to negotiate a nuclear deal. I don't think so. That's my opinion. I may be wrong. That's where I'm at.

• 2:15:47Speaker 10

  It's just, I mean, great, it's just, and I, and again, we talked about it, what, two podcasts ago? It's about the people. And everybody's always talking about, we talk about, we criticize Israel, criticize Iran. It's not the people that are living there. It's the government. So for, when you're saying like, for people to step up, that's a really dangerous thing. Like, meaning, like, imagine going against that government, but I think it's a necessary thing. Easier said than done, because we're here and you guys are over there, but it has to happen. Okay, I feel, dude, my mom and dad are from Iran. Pat's from Iran. I love, like, you guys already know how we feel about you guys, but somebody, a movement, something has to spark, or else it's never gonna change. And what a great freaking point.

• 2:16:29Speaker 10

  This bull that's in, this matador Trump, he's, who knows what's after him? But right now, right now is the thing, and I just pray to God that, you know, you guys have the support and it'll come. But you guys have to step it up.

• 2:16:40Speaker 08

  It'll be nasty, though.

• 2:16:40Speaker 10

  Yeah, oh, it's gonna be ugly.

• 2:16:42Speaker 04

  You probably have to lose one or two or more people for it. I'm looking at the Volody and Russia, I mean, you go against.

• 2:16:48Speaker 08

  They lose them every day. Last night, I had Gisele Schamad on. Her father was stolen.

• 2:16:56Speaker 08

  Falsely convicted.

• 2:16:59Speaker 08

  Tortured. Executed. Biden couldn't get him back. Trump couldn't, wasn't, you know, wasn't here. And they then sent the body back. His tongue was cut out. Parts of him are missing. These are terrorists, okay? So, to Pat's point, can't be trusted. I will say that political payback is sometimes gratuitous. Leaving that deal was a mistake. It was all you had. And now, you'll be lucky to get a deal that looks like that. To your point, it probably won't be a deal at all. You don't know any names, because they'd be dead. That's why you don't know any names about who may be bubbling up

• 2:17:43Speaker 08

  to have a populist revolt, because this is an oppressive regime. I don't know what the answer is. Israel needs American support, because they don't have the munitions that we call those bunker busters to go deep enough to get where it has to go. America has them. So, we would be involved militarily on it. If you keep them from getting a nuke now, do you keep them from getting a nuke forever? No. There has to be regime change there. And I don't think we know what to do. I don't think Trump knows what to do. I think talking can't hurt, but to your point, they can't be trusted.

• 2:18:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No way. No way. No, I mean, look, I put Iran and China in the same place. I put Iran and China in the same place. We had Richard Warner the other day, and he's talking about the fact that, you know, Deng Xiaoping, who was a guy back in the day who was a pragmatist, he went to Japan and said, hey, I know we don't have the best relationship right now. How did you kind of fix your economy? And he says, hey, we got 5,000 banks, 5 million loan officers doing 35 loan applications per week. Xi, what do you call it? Deng comes back, starts working on the banks, the economy changes, everything changes. Xi is not Deng. Deng is willing to go talk. Xi is not that guy. If Xi wants to do something with US, Xi would have come to US and sit down and have a conversation with.

• 2:19:06Patrick Bet-David?

  If we get that meeting taking place, okay, then maybe sentiment changes. Situation changes. But hey, if I'm Trump, you know what else I'm doing? You want to kind of fix the tariff? Allow all our social media companies into China. Why are you worried about it? Allow our social media companies into China. Allow Facebook, Google, YouTube. Allow all of us in China. Why are you worried? Let's kind of make this thing work. It's not going to be happening. So the way they're negotiating, there's a lot that can be done, but we'll see what's going to happen.

• 2:19:33Speaker 08

  I'd rather deal with China than Iran.

• 2:19:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, me too.

• 2:19:35Speaker 08

  Iran has absolutely no upside to the world.

• 2:19:38Patrick Bet-David?

  No, China doesn't say death upon America. China, it just doesn't like the Western ideas that we have, and they're still clinging on to communism.

• 2:19:45Speaker 08

  And the sanctions squeeze the people. That's the one problem with the sanctions is you squeeze the people. Life becomes horrible for the people that you want to help.

• 2:19:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:19:55Speaker 08

  It's hard to do. It's hard to do the right way.

• 2:19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, great podcast. I'm glad we did this. This was actually fantastic. It was great to have both of you guys on as well. And we learned something today. I had no clue Chris was a big advocate of ideas. Honestly, I had no clue. I did not think he was going to become a spokesperson for real ideas. Kristi Noem, you have somebody here that you may want to reach out to.

• 2:20:18Speaker 10

  I bought Chris something. Oh, what's the T-shirt?

• 2:20:21Speaker 08

  Notice how he waited.

• 2:20:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:22Speaker 08

  At the end of the podcast.

• 2:20:23Patrick Bet-David?

  He flooded it.

• 2:20:24Speaker 08

  What's it say?

• 2:20:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Steve Bannon is my spirit animal.

• 2:20:27Speaker 08

  He's coming around. You're on your way. I'll tell you what, this is a trade up from, I took my family on safari and everybody picked a spirit animal. And there's this stupid little antelope called a dick dick. And I let my kids name my spirit animal and they said, you're the dick dick.

• 2:20:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That's so funny.

• 2:20:46Speaker 08

  A dick dick.

• 2:20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You're serious?

• 2:20:49Speaker 08

  Yeah, that was a rough day. So this is a big come up.

• 2:20:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, they run 26 miles an hour. That's pretty fast.

• 2:20:55Speaker 10

  That's a fast dick dick.

• 2:20:56Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what it reminded me of? The movie Couples Retreat where he's giving everybody the spirit animal and he says, for you. He says, tell me tiger, lion. What do you have? An ass. You are stubborn, but you're loyal. I'm going to be the best ass I can be. Vince wants the best. Anyways, it was great. Rob, gang, if you want to come to us Thursday night, remember, go to boardroomcigarlounge.com. We're gonna put the link below as well. We'll be there together Thursday night, 7 to 9 p.m. And then afterwards, VIPs, you'll come to the cigar lounge. For those of you guys that come at 6 o'clock, the bar will be open and you'll get tours at the cigar lounge. For some of you guys that want to become members, obviously, there's an application and background check process, and nobody can have a phone in the cigar lounge, but you get

• 2:21:41Patrick Bet-David?

  a private tour. And Rob, let's also put the link to Eric Bowling's show and Chris's show below for those that want to go check them out. Eric Bowling, we'll put the link to, uh, is this the one?

• 2:21:52Speaker 04

  Well, you can go to ericbowing.com or, you know.

• 2:21:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Why don't you just put Eric Bowling? We're also both on Manect.

• 2:21:57Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:21:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah, we're on Manect. Are you? Really? I know you. Okay, I know you are. You're on Manect now?

• 2:22:01Speaker 04

  Just signed up.

• 2:22:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Perfect. Ask Eric any questions you may have on Manect. Rob, if you got his QR code, do you have it? I don't have that. Okay, just go on Manect, search his name. Rob, put the link at the top for them to ask any questions. Look at those studs.

• 2:22:15Speaker 04

  Look at those handsome devils. By the way, 4/20 on Thursday, huh? You picked that day on purpose?

• 2:22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I wasn't gonna say it publicly. Yeah. But I admit- We're in a cigar lounge, Eric.

• 2:22:26Speaker 04

  What's in those cigars?

• 2:22:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we're in a cigar lounge. I'm willing to bet here, nobody knows more about 4/20 than Tom Els. Tom is a Rastafarian. Before he became a Christian man, Tom was, uh, the movie, uh, Cheech and Chong was based on Tom's, uh, it was a documentary on Tom. You can't be Christian and, uh, like, a little bit of the Yerba. But if it's like the organic stuff without anything being added to it, like, you know? Sort of the weed sommelier of the 80s.

• 2:22:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:22:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What was, what was Jesus doing those 40 days?

• 2:22:55Speaker 04

  There's Cheech, Chong, and Tom.

• 2:22:57Patrick Bet-David?

  How did he connect with God? And, and dictate. But anyways, take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye-bye.

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