Fraud Friday: The Flying Teenage Fraud with Tracy Clayton & Josh Gwynn

Laci welcomes Tracy Clayton and Josh Gywnn (Back Issue) to discuss a teenager who led authorities on a wild goose chase across the nation by stealing planes, all the while not wearing shoes. Plus, a 62-year-old artist turns being catfished into a friendship. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 10/11/2021) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Tracy Clayton: @brokeymcpoverty Josh Gwynn: @regardingjosh Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-life-and-escapades-of-colton-harris-moore/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/what-happened-to-barefoot-bandit-colton-harris-moore https://www.heraldnet.com/news/colton-harris-moore-asks-judge-to-shorten-supervised-release/ https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/waw/press/2010/nov/pdfs/10-CR-00336-INDI_31856.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20150509001325/http://www.katu.com/news/local/63636867.html Fly Colt Fly, a documentary by Adam Gray & Andrew Gray https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37632259

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• 1:53Speaker 00

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• 2:00Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:42Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and we're back with another installment of, yes, Scam Goddess, the podcast dedicated to robbery, fraud, and all those who practice it. I'm your host, Lacey Mosley. Did I say that? You know these intros getting sloppier and sloppier, child. But I am what's said with me? Yes, I'm excited, I'm very excited for today's guest. We have one returning guest and one new guest, so I'm really excited for you guys. Today, we have two guests on the show. They host the amazing podcast, Black Issue, which in each episode explores stories behind formative pop culture moments that changed us, honey. Check out season two now with new episodes every Monday. Congregation, please welcome Josh Gwynn and Tracy Clayton.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  Hi! Hi! It's great to be back, thanks for having me.

• 3:28Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we had such a fun time. I think we did this during the pandemic. Tracy, I don't think we've ever met in real life.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  We have not. We haven't met in real life, but you are in my heart as if we have.

• 3:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Oh, wait, did I say Black Issue and I should've said back issue?

• 3:46Laci Mosley?

  It's actually written correctly here. Josh is so professional, also a producer. He typed in the chat, he was like, "It's back issue." It's back issue. They just both black, and then my brain was like, "Black?" Sometimes it is black issue. Sometimes it is.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  I do it sometimes.

• 4:01Laci Mosley?

  Back issue, guys. Back issue. It's called, the podcast is called Back Issue, okay? But there are, there are some blacks on it. We'll be talking about issues. So, not, not too far off there. But, um, yes, but, oh goodness, and I'm reading the description of this. I have to listen to this podcast and not talk about Monica punching Brandy before they perform. Things people don't really be knowing, you know, other than the community.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 4:28Laci Mosley?

  But I have to ask, like, what is individually, we'll start with you, Josh, since you're new to the show. Like, what's your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? It could literally be anything.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  I'm fascinated by them. Like, I feel like a lot of times, well, recently, there's been all these, like, scam documentaries that have come out. Like, I just watched the Lula Rich one.

• 4:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, that was tasty. I'm actually probably gonna be in one of those.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  What?

• 4:53Laci Mosley?

  But, um, not that one, but I be doing documentaries. I was like, you got some Lula Ranch in your closet? Oh, no, I do not. Child and pumpkin spice leggings had a hold on the community.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  They were not even cute. And I was like, how are people getting scammed?

• 5:10Laci Mosley?

  Well, Josh, we're gonna get into that scam on a different episode, but I do have to ask you. What was your, have you finished that documentary?

• 5:15Speaker 04

  I did.

• 5:16Laci Mosley?

  Okay, what was your favorite part?

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Um, I think when, I mean, it's, it's, it's weird to say it's my favorite part because I felt like it ruined so many people's lives. But like, when they put all of the leggings outside and they started growing mold? And all the, the little workers were like, um, excuse me, why do these leggings smell? And the bosses were like, I don't know what you're talking about. They don't smell, they're fine.

• 5:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that was wild. Like, yes, they do smell. Y'all got a drop down comment section talking about stank ass leggings. If this happening so often that you're like, let's just put a drop down, because you can read every time they type in. It's happening a little too often. I think that means it's too bad.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  Google recent searches.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh man, that whole thing killed me. I think my favorite part was the black woman. Um, without spoiling any of it for you guys, but there's uh very few black people involved in this scam. But the ones that are, uh, one of the black women spoke up and it was so funny cause a part of the scam is like they rewarded you with like these cruises. And she said, you know, I had to respectfully decline cause I'm not getting on no boat in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of white people. I said, I know that's right.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  The only time anyone in that documentary made sense.

• 6:36Laci Mosley?

  I was like sis, I know that's right. And look, that's, that's no shade to the white community and our listeners, but have you ever seen a, a, a TV show or documentary or a true crime series where there was one black person at the party? They always die. They always die. It's never, it's, it's bad. It's always bad. I wouldn't take that risk either, sister. Okay, Tracy, what's your relationship with scams? Welcome back to the show. Good to have you.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  Thank you, thank you. Good to be here. I love a scam as long as I'm not the one being scammed. One of my favorite shows is American Greed. I will marathon that the way that people marathon like Friends or whatever it is they do. Um, one of my favorite things in the world right now is the, the relationship scam episodes of Dr. Phil.

• 7:21Laci Mosley?

  Oh lord. Well, Dr. Phil is a scammer himself.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Top scammer, top scammer. Um, but there was this one woman, she's like, I don't know, 64, 65 years old, thinking that she is engaged to the rapper Post Malone. And I'm like, sis.

• 7:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but have you seen Post Malone?

• 7:43Speaker 04

  Was it an email scam or something?

• 7:44Speaker 03

  She, I can't remember. Probably met him on like Facebook or just like a random email or something or some, um, one of the swipes, Tinder, who knows?

• 7:54Laci Mosley?

  But if there's a rapper that I think that as a 65 year old I could pull, it definitely is Post Malone.

• 8:02Laci Mosley?

  You know, it's always how you look at it. Like Jack Harlow, I'm like, yeah, I don't know, but Post Malone, I don't know who, how old is Post Malone? He's either 23 or 67, so.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  He looks on the 67 side. Absolutely.

• 8:13Laci Mosley?

  I feel like he's very gettable. I feel like.

• 8:17Laci Mosley?

  I would be like, yeah, this makes sense. Post Malone was like, congratulations. We in our relationship. And I was like, yeah.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  I would just like, well, Granny, if he ain't put you on the gram, then it's probably not real. You know?

• 8:29Laci Mosley?

  Listen, okay, the way these rappers be out here, don't nobody get on the gram. I don't know. Granny might have something popping. I think y'all doubting Granny too much. I love her self-esteem. I love her self-esteem. And she was like, absolutely, this is definitely Post Malone DMing me.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  Well, I will absolutely watch the full episode because I did not do that. And I will let y'all know. I will let y'all know if Post Malone is out here with your Mema in these streets.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  Post Malone dating everybody's Mema. How's your Mema, y'all? You heard it here first. All right, guys. Well, let's get into our first segment here. What's hot in fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about a poppin' scam and the zeitgeist. And more often than not these days, we take your listener letters. So you can snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. So Josh, Tracy, I need a fake name for our listener letter today. We don't care about gender. It can be anything.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Sharita.

• 9:26Laci Mosley?

  Sarita. Yes, Sarita. So Sarita says, oh, some nice things, Sarita. You know I'm a skip, but I do love reading them. So y'all keep writing them. But that's very sweet. So Sarita says, I'm writing in about a scam that happened to my parents a few months back that I thought was pretty clever, and I hope it doesn't happen to anybody else. Oh, that's nice. It probably will.

• 9:48Laci Mosley?

  But I appreciate you putting the blowout on the scam, Sarita.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  It's sweet. It's sweet.

• 9:52Laci Mosley?

  So during the pandemic, my parents started losing their minds with boredom, as did everyone else in January 2021, after being locked inside their house. You don't gotta give us all this. Like, everybody loves to, look, I know there's something very shameful. There's a stigma that we've attached to COVID in the latent stages where it's like, if you getting COVID now, we know you was out here sucking booty holes at the Applebee's because everybody else was inside.

• 10:15Laci Mosley?

  Shame on you. Like, that's how like, anybody who I know has gotten COVID, except for very close friends who feel comfortable being honest with me, they'll be like, I don't know how I got it. Like, everybody don't know. All y'all don't know. All I go to is the grocery store in a mask, and then sometimes I literally touch physical grass. And then I go home. I don't know how Ms. Rona snuck in my throat. I'm like, it's fine. You went to, you went to an indoor gathering with four friends you trusted and, you know, one of them had, you know, Ms. Delta was in the building doing her probate, hitting her steps.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  White people are out here coughing on folks, though. I am just saying.

• 10:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah. That is true. That is true. Which if you can catch them, that's a crime, young.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  Okay, it really is.

• 10:56Laci Mosley?

  People no more.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 10:58Laci Mosley?

  Like, it used to just be a rude thing that happened on like Flavor of Love, but now if you cough and spit on people, like, we're going to court.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  Bye, pumpkin.

• 11:07Laci Mosley?

  And I'mma show up in a neck brace.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Limpin'. With three crushes. Three of them.

• 11:12Laci Mosley?

  I'mma get all the money you got, okay? Forget a slip and fall, cough on me. So I can take you straight to the bank. No, but, yeah, that's like, you know, everybody's making their qualifiers and I get it, like, two years in the house, like, we're human beings, like, going on out there and get you a little rental or whatever, child. We not judging. Okay, I'd prefer you be vaccinated, but you know, other than that. So, you know, the parents were getting, uh, stirred crazy, says Sarita. So she says, "Normally, my parents are strictly hotel people, but in this instance, they wanted a change of scenery to spice it up a little bit." You are all up in your parents' business, talking about some spice it up.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  Get an Uncle Daryl in here, Ashley. Ay, that gives me hope. I don't know what that's talking about.

• 11:57Laci Mosley?

  Sarita, you are a little too involved in your parents' business, talking about spicing up. What, next you gonna tell me, you know, what kind of lube they like? Like, get out your parents' business.

• 12:10Laci Mosley?

  So, this was before the vaccines were readily available, so they knew they'd have to do a two-week quarantine. When they got to LA, they opted for an Airbnb. Okay, cool. Um, and this is different than their regular, cool, parents' lifestyle. Okay, you really all in your parents'. I can't even say nothing, because I be in my parents' business too, so, it's fine. So, upon booking a nice spot, the hotel reached out to my mom, suggesting an alternative payment plan, or the host, excuse me. I'm sure she saw my mom's nice, long-term booking and saw an opportunity to pocket a large lump sum. She said that she hates booking through Airbnb because they charge so many fees to the renter and take a percentage from the host. Now, she not wrong about that, and I don't fuck with Airbnb, and y'all know that about this podcast.

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  I will spend the rest of my life slandering Airbnb wherever I can, whenever I can.

• 13:00Laci Mosley?

  I chose this letter on purpose, because fuck them.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  Wait, what happened with Airbnb?

• 13:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, what happened?

• 13:07Laci Mosley?

  I have talked about it on a previous episode, but they just did some shady shit where like, they basically believed this super racist guy who lied about my rental. They kicked me off the app.

• 13:15Speaker 04

  They be doing that.

• 13:16Laci Mosley?

  When I had a rental for my birthday and I had to like scam and like do it through somebody else. But like, I talked about them on Twitter. And every time I talk about them on Twitter, they hopping in the comments, I'm like, hit our DMs. No bitch, I'm not coming to your DMs. We talked about this shit before. Y'all wanna act this way? Fine.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  You chose my violence on this day.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  You chose it for me.

• 13:36Laci Mosley?

  It's always violence with Airbnb. So, this host is like, I'm trying to help y'all out and I'm trying to help myself out. Sounds cute enough. So, she suggested that she and my mom booked the stay off-site where she would accept a Venmo payment for the price of the booking minus the fees and take the dates down on Airbnb to lock it in. My mom agreed and Venmoed her half of the money as a deposit. Again, this was a two-month stay at a nice home in LA, so even half of the money was like, you know, a few thousand dollars. So, two weeks before my parents were set to go out to LA, the host emailed my mom saying that she found a long-term renter to lease the home to and that my parents' stay would be canceled. She would Venmo the money back in the full amount that my mom had already paid. Of course, that never happened. My mom knew exactly what was happening. And immediately kicked into high gear.

• 14:21Laci Mosley?

  She started emailing the woman incessantly. I know, that's why she put her hair in with-

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Airbnb manager.

• 14:27Laci Mosley?

  She flipped them short bangs to the side and she said, "What she won't do, bitch."

• 14:33Speaker 03

  She threw a little Vidal Sassoon on it first.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  And I'm not mad at that. Not Vidal Sassoon.

• 14:44Laci Mosley?

  She hit it with a little bit. Just make sure it stays straight. You know she's gonna be sweating a little bit. Cause she mad. On the bangyang.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  On the bangyang.

• 14:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Uh-oh.

• 14:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that was beautiful. Y'all could say, see, black people gonna always sing.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Oh, shit, my girl. That was Josh Albright out.

• 15:04Laci Mosley?

  So when we found the woman on Instagram and tried to contact her there, we saw that she's an actress in L.A. and was living her best life in COVID, bopping around and running errands. My sister and I all DM'd her to no response. Who was this actress?

• 15:18Speaker 03

  You out here scamming and then just living life and just spreading COVID as well? Can you pick a crime?

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Can you call Venmo? Can Venmo help us in this situation?

• 15:27Laci Mosley?

  So I researched this, um, and what I found was is that if someone wrongfully sends you money, of course, you can just send it back. But if you send somebody money and it's a scam, all you can do is request on Venmo and then live on a prayer.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  That's it? Like, they're gonna be like, oh, damn, they didn't send me a Venmo request. The scam is over.

• 15:50Laci Mosley?

  My name is Bennett.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  Bennett and I'm not in it.

• 15:52Laci Mosley?

  I ain't in it.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  Oh, goodness.

• 15:55Laci Mosley?

  It's just a vehicle for your money, okay? This is like the bus for your money. The bus don't turn around. The bus don't stop if you leave something on the bus. You gotta meet us at the junction, bitch. Like, what we supposed to do? We gotta get to the next stop.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  What is so wrong with Venmo? Help somebody out.

• 16:09Laci Mosley?

  They're saying they're not gonna do it. They can't get their hands dirty.

• 16:14Laci Mosley?

  Any dirtier than they already are, okay? Scam!

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• 18:55Laci Mosley?

  So of course, the kicker of it all is that since they did the transaction offsite, Airbnb has no actual jurisdiction or power to help get the money back like they would want to. They were like, our coins aren't involved in this. Like, that's why we said, let us take a fee. Y'all don't even want to take the fee. So now you gotta take the L. Right. Don't know what you want. Now look at you, bitch. Should've stayed on Airbnb.

• 19:18Laci Mosley?

  So of course they don't get the money back. My mom was left completely in the lurch. All the while, we see this woman actively posting her LA life on Instagram, mocking us with her lack of response. My mom really lost her shit with the scam and it's still a sore subject. So I figured I'd have you put this woman on blast. I mean, you ain't give me her handle, so we can't. I mean, we wouldn't do that anyway. I just want to look for myself and see how good her life, like how much scamming is she doing on Airbnb?

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Right, and I feel like obviously the only answer is you gotta pull up on her, right?

• 19:45Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Right, what else, what else is there to do?

• 19:48Laci Mosley?

  And I was in a situation where I leased a, or rented a house out for my friends and family. And they were like, well, if we do it off this app, and I don't think it was Airbnb because I told you I don't fuck with them. But it was some other like home rental situation. And they're like, well, if we hop off the app, sis, like we can get it cute. And I was like, the only way we hopping off this app is if I know exactly where you live. I've visited the house several times before I sent any money. I was like, she was like, oh, we need your driver's license photo. I said, bet, send me yours too. And also send me a picture of you next to the driver's license photo. I was like, I want everything. If I need to pull up to your home.

• 20:22Laci Mosley?

  And pop the trunk.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  All the receipts.

• 20:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but you can't, even sending half, it's like you're sending half basically saying like, well, if I don't get this half back, like it's gravy.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  You're saying, I trust you. You're not supposed to do that to anybody.

• 20:35Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  Trust no bitch, as the Bible says.

• 20:40Laci Mosley?

  And she a actress, this is an actress in LA, like honey, especially during the pandemic, only a few of us were working like. You should have checked the backlog on that one.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  I can't imagine how pissed you would be though, like to lose your money. And then all of a sudden, she's got a trip to Ojai and she's got a trip to like.

• 20:59Laci Mosley?

  You know she burning sage in Joshua Tree.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 21:03Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, she up there with some Palo Santo.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  I just need to like refresh and, and, ooh, I would be so mad.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  I don't know, yeah, I think I would have to go and find this girl in Joshua Tree.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  I would go to each of the places that she went to and with her picture, like where did you see her?

• 21:19Laci Mosley?

  Right. Yeah, I know this bitch bought crystals in here and she charging them under the full moon. So you better tell me where, otherwise the crystals gonna get broke.

• 21:31Laci Mosley?

  Be a shame if all these rose quartz just fell to the ground.

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I would be up in there busting up the healing energy shop looking for this bitch. No, no, you can't.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  I know, you got receipts.

• 21:45Laci Mosley?

  No. Not you on, not you on the gram.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  It's just disrespectful, that's personal.

• 21:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, and y'all telling me, like Jordan, you took it personally. Y'all didn't comment on her post like, "You robbed us," or like, "Make some fake accounts so you could continue to comment after she blocked you."

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Or at least, I'm not advising this, you should not do this, but I do wonder if there was ever a Twitter do y'all thing post, you know what I'm saying? This hoe scammed me, here's the story.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Don't let it get to TikTok.

• 22:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the TikTok girls, now listen.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  FBI got nothing on them.

• 22:19Laci Mosley?

  And they know it, and now the FBI was like, "Let's just get a TikTok, I don't know why we keep asking them."

• 22:26Laci Mosley?

  It's an open platform, we could just scroll and figure out a lot of these crimes, like. For free. Right, like, the feds, I'm sure nothing has been better for the feds than social media. They said, "Bitch, we don't even gotta do nothing no more, this, he done did a robbery, look, he got a picture with the money up to his head in the gun." Right, let's just pull up.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  Just telling on yourself.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  And his location is on, right now.

• 22:45Laci Mosley?

  Right. God, y'all go home, go home, I got this one, yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  Right, right. I've been trying to think of the name of the rental company that you're probably referencing, because I had a run in with them too, once upon a time. Assuming that this is the same people, I can't think of their name, I'mma think of it.

• 23:01Laci Mosley?

  Airbnb?

• 23:02Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no. You was like, you booked a place that was not Airbnb, because you don't fuck with Airbnb, but it was some other place and you can't think of the name of the website.

• 23:14Laci Mosley?

  Well, I don't, they did have a website, but it was like a concierge, I ain't trying to put all my business out there, but it was a concierge of homes, and it was like, a few women that I was working with, and then they had homes. Yeah. So it felt a little safer, also it was like, I know where these women are at, like, I made it very clear that I'm petty and small. Uh, which I do, I do before everything, I go to the doctor's appointment as a black woman, like, "Hey, just let you know, I'm litigious, so if you think about doing racism to me, just let me know right now, because you really don't want me on your ass." Like, if you won't give me a test, I will make you sign and say that you didn't and why, so that when I need to get my files together and call my abugato.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Let's just put this whole doctor's appointment on live, let's just do that.

• 23:58Laci Mosley?

  No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just point the camera away from my coochie.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Right, right, right. Waist and above, but.

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  This could be an educational moment for everyone on Instagram. How about that? No, but guys, like, if you're gonna try, because, look, I love to save a coin and fuck Airbnb, so if you can't get your little size situation going on, I'm not mad. But the biggest things on those apps are, one, you need to read the reviews. Two, if it's a property that's new and it has no reviews, never book it, because it's probably just some photos that somebody found online. You can take photos to Google Images, see where the address is at, see if they lying. You know what I mean? Like, do your due diligence when it comes to that kind of stuff, because there's so many scammers on those websites.

• 24:37Speaker 04

  Hmm. I feel like that's like, that's like, good advice for anything that you're doing online, whether you're buying, you know, leggings that have been left out in the... Moldy. Listen to the, to the reviews. See what other people say.

• 24:51Laci Mosley?

  Moldy, uh, stolen pattern leggings.

• 24:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  But also, guys, if you're even just like, looking for a roommate, you know, sometimes you have to get on Mr. Shady Ass Craig's and look at his list. Or, you know, you have to get on a roommate finder app or whatever. Like, if it's a situation where they have the place and they're subletting it, you need to have bills in their name. You need to have stuff that if you need to pull up, you can, because that happened to me when I moved to LA. Uh, luckily, I had a friend from college here who let me crash for a night. And then I figured out another living situation. But I pulled up to the airport to LAX and was like, thinking I'm about to go, you know, get my keys and go to this house. And she was like, "Okay, so actually, the other person isn't moving out yet." Turns out, it was a one-bedroom. It was not a two-bedroom. She was calling the living room the bedroom.

• 25:40Laci Mosley?

  That's not a bedroom, sweetie. That's not where beds go. And she, the other person, was still staying there. So I was like, "Where am I supposed to?" And I was like, "Run me my money back." And she did, because I had her address, okay? So she didn't run it back. I was gonna run it up.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  I know, that's right.

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  So you gotta have that kinda leverage over people when you're doing this kinda stuff, you know?

• 26:04Speaker 03

  Seriously.

• 26:05Laci Mosley?

  Not just the address, get bills in their name too. Like get everything that the bank would get from you. Get everything that an apartment would get for you.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  Cause they want it all.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  The idea of roommates is too scary to me because I watch way too much true crime, so I just...

• 26:20Laci Mosley?

  Girl.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  I just assume that you're here to kill me, you know?

• 26:23Laci Mosley?

  One time I thought my roommate, her mom and her brother was gonna dig a me-sized hole in the backyard, child. I had to get out of that situation, okay?

• 26:29Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh, why did you think that?

• 26:31Laci Mosley?

  It just got a little wild.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 26:37Laci Mosley?

  Shit went left real quick, you know? It was my fault, I missed some signs. And it's time for my favorite segment of this show, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will regale Josh and Tracy with a famous con caper group of criminals. Maybe we fuck with them, maybe we don't, we don't know yet. Um, we'll just get their opinions all throughout. So today, guys, we're talking about nineteen-year-old Colton Harris Moore, who led police on a two-year-long chase as he stole plane after plane. And he committed most of his crimes barefoot.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  Hmm, I remember this man.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  I remember this.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  I remember. When you started, I was like, oh, is this the barefoot boy?

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it is. So Colton Harris Moore, born March twenty-second, nineteen ninety-one, what does that make him? Aquarius? What's that?

• 27:26Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm the wrong one.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Don't make me lie.

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  Right, oh, black folks, don't give me the lie.

• 27:33Laci Mosley?

  Somebody, somebody throw me his zodiac sign, but he had a pretty rough upbringing. I'm not gonna get into all of it, cause it's, it can get a little triggering. We try to keep it light over here, but let's just say, you know, he grew up in a dilapidated trailer with his mother. There was abuse, there was drugs, you know, he had a rough upbringing. So despite everything that was going on at home,

• 27:52Laci Mosley?

  Colton's classmates and teachers described him as a very sweet, intelligent boy with an avid interest in airplanes. By two thousand and six, Colton was fifteen and for years had been breaking into homes, stealing food and valuables and evading police by camping in the woods. Fun fact, he would occasionally perpetrate these crimes with his friend Harley Davidson Iron Wing.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Can we pause? What? What is this child's name?

• 28:18Speaker 03

  Harley, middle name Davidson, last name Iron Wing. Wow, wow, I, um.

• 28:29Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, if your parents named you Harley Davidson, you deserve to steal. Like.

• 28:36Laci Mosley?

  We don't know what they were on. Something clearly, one at least. So, you know, you go ahead and crime a little bit, Harley Davidson.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  If my name was Harley Davidson, I would feel so much pressure to be the coolest motherfucker on the planet. I would just.

• 28:53Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like I would.

• 28:55Laci Mosley?

  At least gotta ride a motorcycle.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  At the very least, but I'm gonna be like, I'm Harley Davidson, I like stamps.

• 29:03Laci Mosley?

  You know? No, no, yeah, you can't collect coins when your name is Harley Davidson. You gotta have at least one knife on you at all times.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  At least, or look like maybe I got a knife in my wig, maybe.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  Right, we gotta get you a leather jacket of some sort, even if it's hot.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 29:19Laci Mosley?

  You keep that shit on.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  We always sweating in that jacket.

• 29:24Speaker 03

  There go sweaty ass Harley again.

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  I know, it's eighty degrees, Harley damn, he gonna take it off.

• 29:33Laci Mosley?

  So, cops went to arrest him, this is Colton, at his mother's house, but only found a note that said, cops wanna play, huh? Well, it's not a little game, it's war. Tell them that.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  What?

• 29:47Speaker 03

  How old is this child again?

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  I mean, at this time, he was fifteen, but I'm like, what is this note? And I also love that I basically read it like I was a LA gang.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Cops wanna play, huh, cuz? This not a little game out here, fam. It's war. Tell them that.

• 30:06Laci Mosley?

  Like. Now it's not like E40, ooh.

• 30:10Laci Mosley?

  Who is this E40 ass child? So, E40's eventually caught up to Colton and arrested him in 2007 after he broke into his neighbor's home. Now, why you breaking into the, you can't break into the neighborhood, like.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  It's not smart.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  How you gonna wear your neighbor's drip? They gonna check they mail, they gonna see. Like, isn't that my sweater, Gertrude? Yeah, like, what? You gotta rob a little further. Right. You gotta rob a little further from home than that, okay?

• 30:34Speaker 03

  At least cross the street.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  You can't break into somebody's house and then cross the street back with a TV. Like, I just, that's too hot. You making it hot. So, he faced 23 felony charges for burglaries and possession of stolen property and was sentenced to three years in juvenile detention. His sentence didn't last long, though. One year later, in April 2008, he crawled out of the window of his group home and escaped, making the beginning of what would become an infamous two-year-long crime spree of the Barefoot Bandit.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  Should it be that easy to escape from a juvenile group home?

• 31:06Laci Mosley?

  I mean, they got lots of kids in there, you know what I mean? I'm sure the resources are limited and, you know, window locks probably not in the budget.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  Okay, all right.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  The media loves itself a caper that has alliteration.

• 31:21Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  Barefoot Bandit.

• 31:28Laci Mosley?

  Right, it loves to sensationalize. That's why people do this kind of stuff. Y'all making him famous or at least infamous. So, he never wears shoes again so he could get recognized. Yeah, that's me.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  Gotta say I'm brown.

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  My color is brown. His Wookiee feet is popping, okay? People love to get photos of the Barefoot Bandit. Okay, so, after his escape, Colton went on a one-man crime spree that blew all of his previous exploits out the water. He was first dubbed the Barefoot Bandit when, after his third time robbing Orcas Homegrown Market on Orcas Island, he left 39 large chalk footprints around the store and outside the door with a note that said, "See ya." Oh, so he was like...

• 32:09Speaker 04

  So, his are drawn? I love to see like he had... His feet on accident.

• 32:15Laci Mosley?

  Like he had chalk on his feet.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  He went out and got a logo.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  Oh, he's, he's serious about this.

• 32:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, branding.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  He said, "S.O.Y."

• 32:25Speaker 04

  It's gotta be a brand.

• 32:27Laci Mosley?

  Right, he said, "I'm Banksy, but, uh..."

• 32:34Laci Mosley?

  Come on, Bear. And that's smart, though, because he wasn't gonna give y'all his real footprint. Like, he said, trying to run that, trying to run that at the downtown, okay? Y'all ain't gonna come up with nothing. So, while staying on Orcas Island, Colton took advantage of another business, a restaurant called Vern's. Not Vern's. He first broke into Vern's. I don't know what Vern's is, but it just sounds very modern pop.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  I was like, aw, I said, good to see you.

• 32:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. So he first broke into Vern's to steal a credit card to order flight instruction manuals, which he had shipped to the restaurant. Several days later, he broke in to retrieve the manuals and steal fifteen thousand dollars in summer profits from the safe. Colton had, damn.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:12Laci Mosley?

  Who, who name you put on them packages?

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Just address it to Bedford Bandit.

• 33:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  I mean, uh, BB. Don't tell him what it is.

• 33:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, BB, yeah. Put Celia on it. Yeah, thank you. Um, also, I love that he was trying to get higher learning. Like, you know what I mean? That sounds like a scholarship to me from Amex, you know, like, from Amex.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Do you know the amount of confidence that you need in order to trust yourself to learn to fly by reading Flying for Dummies?

• 33:42Speaker 03

  That is an amazing point.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  Like, he was like, I could read a book, I'll be fine.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Man.

• 33:48Laci Mosley?

  There's gotta be something in there. Take the book with you on the plane.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  It's an open book test. Like, what's on page eight?

• 33:55Laci Mosley?

  We got a written driver's test. I had to pass a written driver's test.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Didn't you also have to drive too, as well?

• 34:03Laci Mosley?

  I actually didn't.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  What?

• 34:05Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  That sounds unsafe. Who do I complain to?

• 34:09Laci Mosley?

  Texas, baby. You know our laws are flimsy.

• 34:14Laci Mosley?

  That's what we're known for, okay? Constitutional. That's a vibe. It felt constitutional enough for me.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  No constitution, just vibes.

• 34:25Laci Mosley?

  Listen, we got that lady who holds the little justice things out there. Now she leaning.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  In a particular direction.

• 34:33Laci Mosley?

  It looks like she's like gathering a pail of water. She's fully bent over, but she's still there. You know what I mean? So technically, some justice going on. So he goes in there, he gets his manuals, and he also steals fifteen K. Damn, Vern, how you gonna steal all of Vern's haul for the summer? That ain't right. And if you're on an island, you know islands get that like vacation tourist, like this is when they get the bag of.

• 34:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 34:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's a seasonal coin. That ain't right.

• 34:58Speaker 03

  It's fucked up.

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  So in the fall of two thousand eight, despite never having been in a cockpit before, he stole his first plane. A single-engine aircraft from a hangar on Orcas Island belonging to a Seattle radio personality, Bob Rivers. So he can stole Bob's plane. So also, I have to point out that he's doing this in Seattle. Isn't it like hella overcast in Seattle a lot?

• 35:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 35:21Laci Mosley?

  This is like not the best place to like learn how to fly on the job.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  To practice flying.

• 35:27Laci Mosley?

  Like, it's hella clouds. Like, this is not the best place. So his flight took him over the Cascada Mountain Range through gusty winds and a total whiteout. Duh, because we were just talking about the weather. Miraculously, he flew two hundred fifty miles from Orcas Island to a field house in Yakima, Washington, where he crash-landed and walked away.

• 35:50Speaker 03

  What?

• 35:51Speaker 04

  My god.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  What? After leaving the plane in the field, Colton hopped on a freight train to Reno, where he lied about his age, still only being seventeen, and worked at a casino for six months. So.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  What? This sounds so fake. All this sounds completely made up.

• 36:11Laci Mosley?

  Colton, I feel like you're just trying to get a movie, because what?

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:15Laci Mosley?

  He crashed a plane, got out, dusted himself off, and was like, shish.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  He was like, yippee-dee.

• 36:21Laci Mosley?

  There's a train, let me go get one.

• 36:25Laci Mosley?

  And now he working in the casino. So y'all just saw a barefoot man show up?

• 36:30Speaker 04

  I hope he had wigs.

• 36:32Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 36:33Speaker 04

  Like, this is one sort of situation, you need different wigs and different.

• 36:37Laci Mosley?

  The biggest concern y'all had was, oh, so are you of legal age? Not that he's barefoot and smells like train and senders from a plane crash?

• 36:49Speaker 03

  So shirt all burnt up, holes everywhere, and y'all was just like, here's a vest?

• 36:55Laci Mosley?

  Right, so just put the vest over the burnt stuff. Do you know how to deal three-card monte?

• 37:03Laci Mosley?

  Maybe they really needed some employees because I'm like, bruh. So by this time, his story had gone viral on the internet and Facebook groups and websites with thousands of fans popping up. T-shirts with the slogan, "Fly, Colt Fly." And Mama Tried went viral. What does Mama Tried mean?

• 37:19Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 37:21Laci Mosley?

  So Colt's, well, I guess it's saying Colton's own mother maintained her support, saying, "I hope to hell he stole those airplanes. I would be so proud." But put in there that I want him to wear a parachute next time.

• 37:35Speaker 04

  Not shoes. Priorities.

• 37:37Laci Mosley?

  Not shoes.

• 37:38Speaker 04

  Choices.

• 37:43Laci Mosley?

  Look, that's good parenting. She's, my baby out here achieving his dreams, flying these planes. I just want to make sure you got a parachute also when he need to jump out that bitch because clearly he hasn't mastered landing.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 37:57Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like that's one of the fundamentals, Colt, and I feel like you can't be like, "Oh, we good for takeoff."

• 38:03Speaker 03

  I'll figure it out when I get there.

• 38:05Laci Mosley?

  I feel like landing is also, some would argue, like, the most important.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Colton, fine.

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• 41:02Laci Mosley?

  So after leaving Orcas Island, Colton hopped the border to Canada, stole two guns, and hopped back without being noticed.

• 41:08Speaker 04

  He left America to get guns?

• 41:10Speaker 03

  That's so fake.

• 41:11Laci Mosley?

  Which is wild. I'm like, it's a wild bar right there.

• 41:16Laci Mosley?

  The fuck is you... And they don't check. They don't care that you got shoes on. They really don't care about that.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  No shirt, no shoes? Alright, fine.

• 41:24Laci Mosley?

  No problem.

• 41:27Laci Mosley?

  Ain't no problem. Not a problem. Ain't no problem. Come on, they here. To Wally World. So I'm like, okay. So after scouting a small airplane hangar and airfield, he ended up in Idaho where he stole his third plane, for which he again crash landed in a field in Granite Falls, Washington. This time, police came in time to close in on the plane, but they were met by gunfire and again lost Colton.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  What?

• 41:51Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  They're so bad at being police. That just seems like it shouldn't have gone down that way.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  I wonder if he played Grand Theft Auto. This just sounds like Grand Theft Auto. He's giving his best Grand Theft Auto fantasy right now.

• 42:06Laci Mosley?

  Grand Theft Autopilot.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a good one.

• 42:12Laci Mosley?

  Cause Coco wasn't landing shit, okay? So he laid low for some time until he caught his biggest prize yet in February 2010 during the Olympics, a $650,000 Sirius. That's a plane. He was aloft for just 10 minutes before again crash landing at Orcas Airport, though this time the plane suffered minimal damage. Fun fact, the owner said the damage due to fingerprint dusting was more expensive to fit, and the plane is still flying today. So he was like, really? The police fucked my shit up?

• 42:43Speaker 04

  What book was this little boy reading? It must be real good.

• 42:47Laci Mosley?

  It must be real good.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  Freaking Mavis Beacon for flying.

• 42:51Laci Mosley?

  And he's getting better at the crashes.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:54Laci Mosley?

  He's getting better at the crashes. This one, just like a few scratches.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  This just sounds so fake. I had to take one of those flight simulator classes, like option 2000 in high school. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever got close to landing, ever. And there was somebody over my shoulder being like, move this, pull this up. It's impossible. And he's just out here, just with no shoes, hot wiring planes, landing planes.

• 43:17Laci Mosley?

  To be fair, he ain't never landed either. Like, that is, that's true.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  That's very true.

• 43:22Laci Mosley?

  To be quite fair, you know, so you might not have been that off. You, you might could do this, Tracy. Think about it.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  I appreciate that vote of confidence.

• 43:29Laci Mosley?

  Like, I don't think people are really locking their airplane hangars up like that anyway. Like, you just don't expect people to come steal your plane on a Tuesday, you know?

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Not on a Tuesday, especially.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  But this is also a white man, so I'm sure he could walk most places even without shoes. And they're like, I don't know, that shoeless fella, he owns a plane. Makes sense to me. So despite this, he continued to escape close calls and would disappear despite being surrounded on all sides. So somehow he's still getting out of here. Cleo couldn't even do this from setting it off. How is he doing?

• 44:02Laci Mosley?

  They haven't riddled this young man with bullets yet, which I'm happy about. This is how policing should be. You got, you know, cops and robbers. You gotta catch them. You shouldn't just be able to shoot them. Like, that's not fair.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  If he was black, though, I feel like this would have been a much shorter story.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:16Laci Mosley?

  Very short. Like, he wouldn't have made it past walking in the door of the airplane hangar before the police were there on suspicion.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  Right. They'd have seen him ordering a book, trying to learn how to fly. Trying to learn how to fly. Pretty.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:27Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  That's it. Just in case you're thinking about.

• 44:29Laci Mosley?

  I thought you had a read.

• 44:35Laci Mosley?

  So many questions. So he's on the run more urgently at this point than before, because now, you know, he's damaging like some big money shit. As Colton started to leave Orcas Island, he took the time to leave a note and $100 in cash at a veterinary clinic. The following day, a $450,000 fishing boat was reported missing from a nearby town. Eventually, Colton ended up in Bloomington, Indiana, where he stole his fifth and final plane. Now, my question is, like, we talked about the first one he stole, the third one, and the fifth. The fourth and the second ain't in here.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Wait a minute, wait a minute. Were those just like not exciting enough? I don't understand.

• 45:15Laci Mosley?

  I have to say, I have questions.

• 45:18Laci Mosley?

  So here's the note that he left at the vet. It says, drove by, had some extra cash. Please use this money for the care of animals. Colton Harris Moore, AKA The Barefoot Bandit. And then he put Kamono Islands, Washington. So also you can know where he's at currently.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  AKA, AKA The Barefoot Bandit. AKA The Plane Pitcher, like.

• 45:45Laci Mosley?

  The Plane Poacher.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Well, at least he likes animals. He's a nice guy, you guys.

• 45:52Laci Mosley?

  AKA FAA fraud.

• 45:58Laci Mosley?

  Like, are you a rapper? What's going on? Yo, we got Colton. We got Colton on the runway, okay?

• 46:09Laci Mosley?

  So I guess. And also he's trying to flex, being like, had a little hundred dollars, you know? I don't know, give this to Sarah McLachlan, see what she could do with it.

• 46:21Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Get money, get money like me.

• 46:24Laci Mosley?

  He didn't even have a plane. I mean, he didn't even have a pet. He was just like, I don't know, here's something for the girls. Just to let y'all know, I was here.

• 46:33Laci Mosley?

  I guess. So this is his fifth plane that he's stealing now, right? Colton's final flight took him 1,200 miles away from Indiana to Abaco Island in the Bahamas. While news outlets such as 48 Hours and the Royal Bahamian Police were hot on his trail, Colton managed to go inland and steal a yacht to escape to a nearby island of Elektra. For a week, he was able to evade capture in the Bahamas. Wow, this man, you're talking about planes, trains.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  And automobiles, okay?

• 47:02Laci Mosley?

  And boats.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Is there a vehicle that he has not stolen yet?

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Also, this white boy was able to hide in the Bahamas? How?

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Are there many white people there? Was he on like a resort? Like, how he did that?

• 47:16Laci Mosley?

  Maybe he put on a lei or something, you know, gave the girls tourists. You know, maybe he went and got his hair braided by the

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  He let him put some beads in it, some foil. They were like, I don't know, everyone who's white is barefoot here.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  Maybe it was the best place for him.

• 47:36Laci Mosley?

  Checks out.

• 47:36Speaker 03

  Fair.

• 47:37Laci Mosley?

  So. I can't believe he got to the Bahamas and he's flying over water. Mind you, this is the guy who does not know how to land.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  No. This is just so fake. I just, it's just, it's ridiculous.

• 47:51Laci Mosley?

  So, he made a mistake when he was chatting with some teenagers on shore. He was discovered to be the famed barefoot bandit with a $10,000 bounty. So, the teenagers gave chase. Okay, so they decided to follow him. Uh, and his stolen boat to nearby Harbor Island. From there, he stole another boat and made off into the open ocean, gun wielding police in a commandeered yacht. Wow, with two news, he had news crews behind him and the police. Eventually, he ran out around a sandbar and before he could get the boat going again, police shot out the engine, cornering Colton for the last time. Finally, in July 2010, after a two-year crime spree stealing 11 boats, 14 cars, three guns, and five planes, and breaking into countless buildings,

• 48:35Laci Mosley?

  Colton Harris Moore was arrested.

• 48:39Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like he should work in like all ties to security. Like, does Colton work for ADT now? Because.

• 48:47Laci Mosley?

  Colton knows how to steal it. You know, it could be a sweater, it could be a gun in Canada, it could be 11 boats.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  If it's stealable, I got you fam.

• 49:00Laci Mosley?

  We should be using his skills for the better good, the greater good. This man knows how to steal everything.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  It sounds like he needs to teach the police how he did, what he did, so that they can be better at their jobs, because they suck.

• 49:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't need to empower them.

• 49:17Laci Mosley?

  At least if you're a boat owner, you know, I want you to be able to keep your boat at the dock. Like Colton could really help y'all out with that, cuz he knows. Okay, so the aftermath and today, Colton pleaded guilty to seven felony charges, including stealing airplanes, breaking into a bank, and possessing an illegal firearm, and was sentenced to seven years in prison. At the time of the sentencing.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  That's it?

• 49:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 49:42Laci Mosley?

  I guess technically when he stole stuff, he did kind of run it back a little bit.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  Had a little wear and tear, but it was fine.

• 49:49Laci Mosley?

  Right, it was 250 miles away from where he got it, and you know, it's some pieces missing.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 49:55Laci Mosley?

  You know, it's like a little wing or whatever missing.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  But it's another one, it's fine.

• 50:02Laci Mosley?

  Right, you could find a part for that, they got wings out here.

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  So at the time of his sentencing, he owed 1.4 million dollars to his victims. He was released early in 2016 and began working part-time for his lawyer's law firm. Colton has since attempted to run a GoFundMe campaign for funds to cryogenically preserve his mother, who was ill with cancer, and one to fund flight school. The latter was shut down due to his still owing retribution to victims, so the flight school one was shut down. He now attempts to work as an entrepreneur and motivational speaker.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  He wanted to freeze his mom, did we, did I hear?

• 50:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, we kind of, we just kind of brushed over that.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, we did.

• 50:46Laci Mosley?

  And it doesn't say his late mother, so she might have still been up when they was gonna do the freezing.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, alright.

• 50:55Laci Mosley?

  Maybe they was just gonna, they was gonna nuke her a little bit, just like, put in a, put in a cryogenic. Do you need to GoFundMe for that?

• 51:04Speaker 03

  It sounds expensive. I don't know.

• 51:06Laci Mosley?

  No, you can get cryo done up the street.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  Oh, you're right. You're right.

• 51:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 51:15Laci Mosley?

  Get five of them things for a hundred dollars.

• 51:21Laci Mosley?

  But also, like, I feel like he should go to flight school. The boy loves flying. He clearly has no fear of it. I just think sometimes, like, this guy had a really rough childhood. You know, he didn't have resources and options, but clearly he had talent. This is raw talent.

• 51:34Speaker 03

  He's not a dumb child.

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  Like, we're letting this waste away in the penal system? Like, you know, let the boy go to flight school.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  And he didn't hurt anybody, right?

• 51:44Laci Mosley?

  No, just some property.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  He even gave money to the animals. Come on now.

• 51:49Laci Mosley?

  He did. I hope he wrote that off.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  It's 1.399900, okay? Because I gave 100 to the pets now. And I left a note.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  It's evidence. I proved it.

• 52:07Laci Mosley?

  You know it was me.

• 52:10Speaker 03

  I signed it. The Barefoot Bandit.

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  That's me. Give it back to the community. I don't, like, what are we talking about? It's time for Scammer of the Week. This is where we highlight one honorary charlatan who's worthy of our praise. Maybe, maybe not. Um, but this is going to hearken back to what we were talking about earlier, Tracy, when you talked about, uh, Post Malone and his new, um, elderly bae.

• 52:36Laci Mosley?

  So Maria Grett, a 62-year-old Swedish artist, was not expecting to be catfished when she first sent money overseas to her 58-year-old Danish boyfriend. Maria met Johnny when her friends teased her into creating a dating profile. So, okay, so Johnny is clearly black.

• 53:00Laci Mosley?

  And also Danish. Are there black Danes?

• 53:06Laci Mosley?

  I mean, with the, how the military setup, we gotta be over there a little bit. You know?

• 53:12Laci Mosley?

  You know, just the taste, right? Like, you know.

• 53:17Laci Mosley?

  It is, it is. And look at her cuddled up to him, you know, they must have been, he might have had some things thangin'. So. It's inappropriate.

• 53:30Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying, the way she hugged up next to him, like, he must have been doing something right. Couldn't have all been a scam. So, they began chatting and he eventually started calling her from a UK phone number. Maria said, "I wanted to meet him because I liked him. He had a way and a sweetness I had never known in a man before. And he was just innocent in a way that puzzled me." Men, innocent, two words, never been together.

• 53:58Laci Mosley?

  Never needed to be together.

• 54:02Laci Mosley?

  Imagine.

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  That's what she should have done, it was a scam. Right, like innocent. He didn't do nothing, he didn't do nothing that was like a red flag, that's when you guys started looking for the flags. Right, exactly. Like, look, I always say one red flag go, but if it's like light rose pink, you know, maybe we could, we could see what's going on. Nobody's perfect. Hear him out, just hear him out. So after chatting with him for three months, Johnny agreed to meet Maria in Sweden. But first, he and his son had to stop in Nigeria for a job interview. Okay. You know how, you know how you have to like, on the way to another country. You ought, you ought to stop at another country and just for a quick look. You know, we couldn't do a phone interview.

• 54:49Laci Mosley?

  No, we'll just, we'll just go over. Had to be impressive. Okay, got it. So the next call Maria received was from Johnny saying his son had been, oh no! Oh lord. Oh no! What is this? This is not funny, um. The next day Maria received a phone call from Johnny saying that his son had been shot in the head during the mugging and they were at the hospital without money or papers. Oh my gosh. That's intense. So Maria immediately sent money, but soon after, "medical complications" in quotes, developed, and she was told the doctors demanded more money.

• 55:34Laci Mosley?

  So y'all know how hospitals work, right? Like, you go in and they're like, "Okay, he's in critical condition. Well, okay, we gotta put an IV in him. Y'all got thirty-eight dollars for the IV?

• 55:48Speaker 03

  We're not gonna give him this IV without-

• 55:50Laci Mosley?

  Before I put the needle in the, in the, um, bag, cuz then it's ruined. If you only got a few hours after you put the needle in, do y'all have thirty-eight dollars for this IV?

• 56:01Speaker 03

  And can I have it right now? Like, right now?

• 56:03Laci Mosley?

  Right, I need to see it. Okay. Is it in euros? Okay, cuz I ain't got time to go to currency.

• 56:11Laci Mosley?

  Alright, we gonna get him out the ambulance now, alright. We got a stretcher, there is a fee, or do y'all wanna carry him?

• 56:18Speaker 04

  Can we put it on layaway?

• 56:20Laci Mosley?

  Right. Can we put it on Klarna? No, but you need to sign up now. Put your card in right now. Before we get this treatment proper. No, hey, don't say "clear yet," we not clear.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  Three more payments of forty-nine ninety-nine.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  He's not gonna last much longer, man. What do you wanna do?

• 56:39Laci Mosley?

  What do you wanna do? Before we get to reviving, okay? You gotta get on a payment plan. We don't, like, what? And also, doctors demanding, but that's not who demands the money.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  That's not-

• 56:53Speaker 04

  But the thing I think that is interesting is that these people actually met. There's photographic evidence of them meeting. Like, I feel like when I hear these scams, it's like, "Oh, I've never met this person a day in my life." But like, they, they knew each other.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  That's a good point. Do we know for sure that that's her boo in the picture?

• 57:10Laci Mosley?

  I believe so.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Hmm, that is very interesting.

• 57:14Laci Mosley?

  But I do think that, I've, I've seen a few cases where the people had met a few times before. I think it definitely adds legitimacy to the scam, because now it's not like you're, I, I have a name and a face, and you know, they sitting on the same side of the booth. So, you know, at least rubbed on her thigh a little bit, or her knee, or whatnot, you know? So, something done gone down. So, several thousand euros after, Maria realized something was amiss. Now, girl-

• 57:41Laci Mosley?

  I feel like several thousand is too long away.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  Maria has finally entered the chat.

• 57:46Laci Mosley?

  Wait a minute.

• 57:49Laci Mosley?

  Like we're a little too far away. So she stopped responding to Johnny's messages. Three weeks later, Johnny called Maria and confessed that he was a 24-year-old Nigerian internet scammer who had finished university but still had no job. Johnny and Maria continued to chat and the romantic feelings developed into a friendship. Maria flew herself out to Nigeria to finally meet Johnny. She said, "When I saw him at the airport in Abuja, tears fell over his face and I knew I had known him my whole life." Wow.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  So wait, that picture is from after the scam?

• 58:22Laci Mosley?

  That's after she got robbed.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  So happy to have just been robbed of several thousand dollars.

• 58:30Laci Mosley?

  See, sometimes scams aren't that bad. She had a good time.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  He must have been putting it down.

• 58:36Laci Mosley?

  Woo.

• 58:40Laci Mosley?

  She said, "And there's several thousand dollars of later again, I realize."

• 58:49Laci Mosley?

  So Maria had met Johnny's friends, many of whom were also scammers, and started thinking about how she could help. Since then, she's arranged for a number of African artists to visit Europe for arts exhibitions, workshops, conferences, and competitions. Maria has also assisted them to source international grants and other funding to advance their work. Now, was their work in the art of scams? Or they were like, "Yeah, I rob people, but I'm also an excellent sculptor."

• 59:16Speaker 03

  Or I scam people, it's going well, but I really just want to get out the game, you know?

• 59:21Speaker 04

  Right. Go legit.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  I really just want to learn it.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  I make clay figurines in between bank robberies. Is there something we can do? I'm saving up for a kiln. I gotta hit four more licks and I'm gonna have enough money for a kiln in my own home.

• 59:39Laci Mosley?

  She went full ghost. She's like, let me get behind you on that kiln.

• 59:45Laci Mosley?

  What is happening?

• 59:46Speaker 03

  This took a turn.

• 59:48Laci Mosley?

  After meeting him in Nigeria, Maria also helped Johnny move to America where she offered him financial assistance to complete his degree.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  Did she ever get her money back?

• 59:59Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  I mean.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  I don't know how this story ends, but no.

• 1:00:03Laci Mosley?

  Impossible. If she's providing financial assistance to the scammers, I don't think that that's like, oh, they paid you back and then now you paying them again.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:00:13Laci Mosley?

  I feel like.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:00:15Laci Mosley?

  I love how this ended. This was such a twist. She was like, oh, no, these are my friends now. Yeah, no, they used to rob me, but now they're the homies.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  Now it's cool. I, so he is definitely scammer of the year. Like he rode that mess all the way to America. To some tuition.

• 1:00:35Laci Mosley?

  Talk about coming to America, okay?

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I guess because he knew when to give up the grift. He was like, hey sis, yeah, it's me, Johnny. Yeah, I know, I don't have a brother. Um, and the hospital actually does not request payment during surgery.

• 1:00:55Laci Mosley?

  Uh, it was all a lie, but um, if you want to come to Nigeria and hang out.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  Well, I'm not doing nothing this Friday. I'll be there.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  Right. I wonder if she did it so she was like, okay, this story needs a better ending than I got stolen from and then I go home and be sad. I know. I'll continue to give them money. So that way it looks like it was all on purpose and it's all good.

• 1:01:20Laci Mosley?

  I'm just like, and not only did she give him money, she was helping out the homies. We saw a photo of her in a classroom where she was like, but girl, is this show Eat, Pray, Love? Like what?

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  Very bad, very bad.

• 1:01:31Laci Mosley?

  Come on, Eat, Pray, Scam.

• 1:01:36Laci Mosley?

  I, I, I don't know, I'm not mad at it because at least then like, I guess you're controlling the narrative and, and maybe

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:01:42Laci Mosley?

  new friends and you got a new friend in America now, like she, obviously the money didn't mean that much to her.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  Hmm, and obviously she had it to give and keep giving, I guess we're assuming. I mean, we all know her situation, but.

• 1:01:54Speaker 04

  I mean, it felt like she didn't really care that it was missing.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:01:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. She doesn't ever really seem to be too angry about that.

• 1:02:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:02:03Laci Mosley?

  Something's amiss, oh well, and then three weeks later she picks up the phone, hey Johnny. Long time, so, is your brother, what they do? Did they, did they have enough to get the bandages off?

• 1:02:18Laci Mosley?

  Wait, what? And then now he lives in America. I love this. I think, I mean, look, a lot of people like we saw with Colts and they come up in bad situations. And you know, this is the only way they knew out. Maybe Johnny was really just trying to better him cir- his circumstances.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, and maybe this lady is genuinely happy with the connections that she has, you know?

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Who are me to judge, I say?

• 1:02:41Laci Mosley?

  She seems to be, I mean, she pulled up to Nigeria, she flipped her chair backwards.

• 1:02:48Laci Mosley?

  And she said, I'm gonna educate the youth.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  She said, I'm gonna get my Michelle Pfeiffer on.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  It's my time.

• 1:02:57Laci Mosley?

  She brought a bullhorn, she was like, no, I'm gonna save these, save these beautiful Nigerian men from a life of crime. I can't be mad at that. I think we like the scam. What do you, what do you think?

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  I, I, I'm in favor of the scam.

• 1:03:12Speaker 04

  I feel like it's

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  I'm not mad at it.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  The best that a scam could probably go.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  That is a great way to put it.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  That the person who gets scammed buys in.

• 1:03:21Speaker 03

  Right, is she still scammed if she buys in at the end?

• 1:03:26Laci Mosley?

  No, because I guess because it's like if you were to donate to anything, like it's not a scam if you decided to participate.

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:34Laci Mosley?

  And I know some people will be like, oh, GoFundMe, but what if I read a story? And it's like, yeah, but we've talked about that. Like, you don't know where that money goes at the end of the day. You do not know. I've never once followed up on the GoFundMe and been like, okay, so did y'all get enough for the funeral? Like, I don't. I hope so. Sometimes I'll click on the link and be like, oh, they raised over the goal, good for them. But I'm not like, so how much did them programs run y'all? Because if it's anything extra, I don't know.

• 1:03:57Speaker 04

  I itemize it.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Well, in the name of reparations, this is definitely a win. Um, white lady.

• 1:04:04Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Lots of money directly to Africa. Put the homies on, you know?

• 1:04:10Laci Mosley?

  Activism.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Activism. Yes.

• 1:04:15Laci Mosley?

  Like, y'all wanna talk about activism? And, uh, to hearken back and just, I love to say hearken today. Uh, when we were asking what sign Colton was, Colton is an Aries, our, our plane thief. Um, it makes sense. They like a thrill. Um, they love chaos, which is why he's just crash landing planes and then like, bye.

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  And he ain't leave no notes on the planes he crashed.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  Sorry I dinged your plane.

• 1:04:44Laci Mosley?

  My bad. You know, you can rub that out. It's just a scratch.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  Use a hair dryer.

• 1:04:49Laci Mosley?

  I heard if you get a pot with boiling water and then you put it on one side and then you pull the other side out with a plunger.

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:04:57Laci Mosley?

  It's gonna be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  It's a YouTube tutorial about it. Look it up.

• 1:05:02Laci Mosley?

  I'll leave the link right here on the note.

• 1:05:06Laci Mosley?

  DIY plane fix.

• 1:05:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, guys, you guys have been lovely. This is such a fun episode.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  These stories are incredible.

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  This is wild.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  So much fun.

• 1:05:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Okay, we always ask on this podcast, where do you want to be found? Josh, we'll start with you. Any projects? I mean, obviously Back Issue, where do you want to be found?

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can follow Back Issue on Instagram at Back Issue Podcast. Um, we're in our second season right now. Super fun, lots of formative pop cultural moments, um, that we like jump back to and then think about what it can teach us about now. You can follow me at Regarding Josh on all the socia.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  And you can follow me on all the socia, at Broke McPoverty. And I do wanna say that there is an episode of Back Issue that features one of us doing the worst Miss Cleo impression you've ever had in your life.

• 1:05:59Laci Mosley?

  It's so good.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna tell you who it is.

• 1:06:02Laci Mosley?

  Call me now.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Gotta check it out.

• 1:06:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I gotta go see who this is now. I wanna know. As always, guys, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected] if you want to find us or look at the photos that we look at at that episode. ScamgoddessPod on all platforms. If you wanna follow me, D I V A L A C I D, Velaci, on all platforms. All episodes of I Carley are streaming on Paramount Plus and all episodes of A Black Lady Sketch Show are streaming on HBO Max. Stream my stuff, please. And all of our merch is available online. I'm about to switch it up and pull some things down. So if you want the things, go get the things while they're available on PodSwag.com/ScamGoddess. Guys, leave us a five-star review. If you wanna be like Maria, was that her name? Maria? Marie? Something like that.

• 1:06:47Laci Mosley?

  If you wanna save, if you wanna save a young Nigerian scammer, leave us five stars on whatever podcast app you listen to this show on and a nice review. Thank you so much. No, I am not actually Nigerian. Actually, I don't know. Could be. I haven't given the government my ancestry. Stay scheming.

• 1:07:11Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Fais, and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

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