From Special Forces to an Outlaw Motorcycle Club | Kenny Robertson

Kenny Robertson reflects on his career from the Marine Corps and 101st Airborne to 5th Special Forces Group, including deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, and Ukraine. He also discusses the toll of years in combat, his struggles after leaving the military, and how psychedelic medicine led him to create Waypoint 6 to help other veterans. https://www.waypoint6.com/ https://www.instagram.com/waypoint_six/ Today's Sponsors: Quince⬇️ go to: https://www.quince.com/house for free shipping and 365 day returns GhostBed ⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/house FOR 10% off! Blue Chew ⬇️ https://bluechew.com/ Get 1 month free when you buy 2 of BlueChew Gold with code "HOUSECALL" For ad free video and audio and access to live streams and Eyes On Geopolitics... JOIN OUR PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouse To help support the show and for all bonus content including: -live shows and asking guest questions -ad free audio and video -early access to shows -Access to ALL bonus segments with our guests Subscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Support the show here:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse ___________________________________________________ ORDER JACK'S NEW BOOK "THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN" ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/paperback/ Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured __________________________________ Jack Murphy's book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/ —————————————————————— Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️ https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouse Social Media: ⬇️ The Team House Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link The Team House Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod Jack’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link Jack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21 Team House Discord: ⬇️ https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6 "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 - Start 02:24 - Growing Up and Joining the Marine Corps 04:59 - Reenlisting After 9/11 07:38 - OIF 1 with the 101st Airborne 12:28 - Blackhawk Door Gunner and Two Hard Landings 18:48 - Discovering Special Forces 20:04 - Becoming an 18D Special Forces Medic 27:45 - Training Partner Forces in Lebanon 37:44 - Deploying to Afghanistan 40:52 - QRF Mission Turns Into a Major Firefight 44:06 - Performing Emergency Surgery Under Fire 50:13 - A Nine-Hour Firefight and the Reality of Combat 55:04 - Talking a Teammate Out of Suicide 57:39 - Drugs, Addiction and Special Operations 1:08:03 - Becoming an 18D Instructor 1:19:08 - Rebuilding the Special Operations Medic Course 1:29:38 - Leaving Special Forces After 22 Years 1:31:09 - Getting Deep Into the Outlaw Motorcycle Club World 1:43:07 - The Double Homicide That Changed Everything 1:50:48 - Going to Ukraine After the Russian Invasion 2:02:58 - Targeted by a Russian Tank 2:11:58 - Alcohol, Drugs and Hitting Bottom 2:18:01 - Discovering Psychedelic Medicine 2:24:43 - 5-MeO-DMT and Ego Death 2:37:59 - Creating Waypoint 6 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:00Jack Murphy?

  Hey guys, I'm Jack Murphy. This is the Team House and we're here in studio with our guest today, Kenny Robertson. He is a former Marine, served in Army 101st Airborne, and then had an extensive Special Forces career in 5th Group. And I mean, a whole bunch of different things that you got involved in, teaching the PJ course, going over to Ukraine, doing executive protection jobs. And today you're with Waypoint Six. Do you want to tell people, like just off the top of the interview, what Waypoint Six is?

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, so Jack, thanks for having me. What we're going to talk about a little bit is, you know, aside from military history, which a lot of the viewers are well aware of, but is veteran mental health, which can kind of be a boring topic for most guys, but starting to become a lot less taboo. So after my years of service and after a lot of things that I've found that shaped me to be a guy that I did not want to be, it took a little bit more than just a talk therapy or going to a VA. So sous laerte, I end up out of the country down in Central America and find myself in the middle of an ayahuasca ceremony. And Waypoint Six was derived from that.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  So I founded that based off of my experience working with the plant medicine. So now we're able to take veterans down to Central America and we even have a spot locally in Texas where we're able to operate out of and we're getting guys the mental health treatment that they need.

• 2:34Jack Murphy?

  That's awesome. And we'll get into that a little bit deeper later on in the interview, but to go more or less like in chronological order, tell us a little bit about, you know, how you grew up and how that took you towards the military.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Yes, so I grew up in Virginia and outside of Richmond, not a big city, kind of, I was more in the rural areas. And, you know, my dad had land and would take me out hunting and fishing. So I was working with guns from a small age and, you know, kind of learning a little bit about the land. And I found my way into, I was trying to play pro football, but it turns out, Jack, I'm not that, I'm not that big. I'm not that good at football. So I needed another option and driving race cars was out of my budget.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  So I had to pick something. And honestly, I was like, man, the Marine Corps, that looks cool. This is in the 90s. What was cool about it was the dress blues. Let's just be honest, like.

• 3:48Jack Murphy?

  They got snappy uniforms.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  They do look good. That pretty much is the defining factor of how good of a Marine you are. How high and tight is your hair? And how much starch is on your uniform? Now, not so much, but.

• 4:01Jack Murphy?

  I thought the only thing that matters is the guys that qualified on iron sights versus everyone who came.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  Iron sights, obviously, you know, in the 90s, that's all we had, right? So you had to be able to run fast and have a tight haircut. So yeah, that uniform was, it drew me in, I did that, but realizing that the head didn't fit in the jar. And this was before MARSOC, this was before anything that was.

• 4:25Jack Murphy?

  So what year is this that you went to boot camp?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  97.

• 4:28Jack Murphy?

  Okay. And what unit did you end up in, in the Marines?

• 4:33Speaker 02

  So I was over at Camp Lejeune, ended up on, I started out, I was with intelligence.

• 4:39Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it turns out I lost the security clearance.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Can't tell you that, that happened, but it did.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  So I ended up with a squadron across the, across the road over at New River. And so I was there, by the time you got out of all the training and stuff, almost the first year is gone. So after a few years, I decided that, nope, this isn't for me. There was no war happening, so I'm done. And then I got out and then there was a war. So I needed to make a move and I did that pretty quick.

• 5:14Jack Murphy?

  So you get out and after, it's after 9/11 that you see this opportunity?

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:20Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 5:22Jack Murphy?

  And so what year did you re-enlist in the Army?

• 5:25Speaker 02

  In 01.

• 5:26Jack Murphy?

  Oh, in 2000.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, went right back in. And when that happened, I could just jump into the 101st. Because when you were in the Army and you wanted to go be a Marine, and I had this in my Marine Corps, we call it boot camp, right? Army is basic training. I've never gone to Army basic training.

• 5:45Jack Murphy?

  Oh, really?

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. We had an E5 Sergeant in the Army in Marine Corps boot camp.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  I didn't have to do it. So they were just like, nope, you can just go right into the Army and you just, there you go. Sign here and here's a costume. Go. All right. And so I did, jumped, went over to the 101st and they're like, yep, we're going, we're going to do this thing over in Iraq. I'm like, yeah, that's why I'm here, let's go. So off we go.

• 6:16Jack Murphy?

  So now we're into like 2001, 2002 and like the buildup for Iraq is starting.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I didn't even really get a chance to get into a buildup. I just go right over, like, I don't know, two weeks after I'd gotten in.

• 6:33Jack Murphy?

  Holy shit.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm, and probably three weeks. It was a very, they were just, they're pumping guys out. You go through med pros and you go through a couple of things and they're like, there you go, man, here's your initial issue.

• 6:47Jack Murphy?

  You're green on.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Good luck.

• 6:48Jack Murphy?

  Here's some ammo.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got like three different color camo stuff, man. I got like, I don't know, I got something in desert, I got something green, I got, so it, it was, it was definitely Wild West, it was some weird times. And I was young, I didn't even know anything about the Army, right? So I'm still bringing Marine Corps, which they bring a lot of pride, morale, all kinds of stuff that in the Army they don't quite have.

• 7:14Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  The discipline isn't quite there.

• 7:18Jack Murphy?

  You're calling like the E7s gunny.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. For a few times, I would call it like Sergeant First Class and I'd just, just say Sergeant. I was like, I'm not programmed to do that. I can't, I can't do that. So, and I'd still wear a high and tight, like the first, I don't know, two years, I'd be out like in Iraq trying to like cut my hair all looking like I'll get a horseshoe, like I'm trying to keep people at work until nine o'clock.

• 7:45Jack Murphy?

  So you went and met your unit that was already forward deployed?

• 7:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:49Jack Murphy?

  What brigade did you go to?

• 7:51Speaker 02

  I was over with 3rd.

• 7:52Jack Murphy?

  Okay. So tell us a little bit about what that experience was like about OIF1.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  So OIF1 was not a lot of rules and regulations at the, at that time.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  And we also didn't know what the hell we were doing, except just go take everything, occupy land, go take, take real estate.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  So we would, we started, we pushed up to Mosul and then we pushed out west, out into Tal Afar and kind of owned that whole northern area. And it was just, kind of just chaos.

• 8:36Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, from Kuwait to Mosul?

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the fun thing about it was, you know, the former, the Vice President of the United States at the time, former, what, CEO of a company that built the entire cities that we then later on lived in. Before all that could happen, we didn't have anything, just what you brought.

• 9:01Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Right? And you're stringing up 550 cord to wash your clothes and dry them, sleeping under a truck when we still slept under trucks, but now, you know, the safety guy won't let you do that anymore. So, yeah, we just, it was, you ride around in your trucks, you lived in your truck, you lived with your platoon, and you would get resupplied with some food and you would just be out and about. We would take over wherever it might be a palace, we might take over any type of real estate and then that would kind of become where we lived. And you might stay there for a few months. And then just pushing out and going and finding bad guys. But of course, at that point, everybody was a bad guy.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  We just showed up into their neighborhood, they don't like that. I mean, you come to my house at 2:00 AM with big green eyes, you're going to be met, you know, with a field of fire. But I didn't expect that they felt that way, right? So I'm going to show up at their house at 2:00 in the morning and like, I just kicked down your door, why are you shooting at me? You're the bad guy.

• 10:10Jack Murphy?

  Did you guys have some pretty big dustups with the Iraqi Army at that time?

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, definitely a lot of conflict. Cause a lot, those guys didn't want us there either.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  At least from my perspective of it.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  Some of their.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Some of their, I guess, like their higher ranking officers understood the political portion of that and what we brought to the table by that, I mean, our weapons and our aircraft. Like, they knew that that was important, right? And that's what they were gonna be able to use to take back over their country. But a lot of the other, like, junior guys, the enlisted guys, they didn't really want to work with us. They didn't want us there at all.

• 10:58Jack Murphy?

  That's interesting. Because, I mean, I've had a lot of people tell me that, at the time, maybe like eighty percent of Iraq supported disposing of Saddam Hussein. But, you know, then the question becomes, well, why are you guys still here?

• 11:13Speaker 02

  Right. So I think the problem, and it was the same in Afghanistan. It was when I say that they don't want to work with us, because they're gonna, they sit down on the objective. We can't really push them to do but so much. Their work ethic is different.

• 11:29Jack Murphy?

  Yes.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Right? So if we're out on a hit, if we're out doing a raid, if we're halfway through it, we're still in a gunfight, they're just gonna go sit down. They're just not into it.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Now, the Kurds up north were a lot better than some of the other cats that we had to work with. Those dudes were pretty motivated to get the job done, but a lot of these units just didn't want to.

• 11:55Jack Murphy?

  It reminds me, you know, you talk about, like, doing CQB and, like, the priorities of work in the room and all that kind of stuff. I remember I had one of these guys walked right through the door, did not clear any corners at all, went right to the refrigerator, popped it open, shuffled around in there, shut it, sat down on the couch. Like, we're all there, like, doing this, trying to clear the structure, like, what the fuck?

• 12:19Speaker 02

  That is a priority of work.

• 12:21Jack Murphy?

  Screaming, I was screaming at this guy. But yeah, it is different.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  Dude, they'll take smoke breaks. Or after it, man, we're in a gunfight, I'm treating a patient, and they just come over, they just sit down, and they're just like, we're good, we're gonna take fifteen.

• 12:42Jack Murphy?

  What were some of the, like, memorable actions that, you know, you recall from the invasion?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Crashing.

• 12:53Jack Murphy?

  Oh, yeah?

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, no, I don't think I can call it a crash. I think I call it a hard landing twice. So, I actually, I was in a Blackhawk for, they needed some dudes to help with the air crew. So they were having guys fly the left seat behind the pilot on the Blackhawk. You got a left seat and a right seat where the crew chiefs would be. They would have one crew chief, because those birds are in the air, like, all day, all night, right? They're constantly working. So like, hey, man, we need dudes to help augment. And I was like, man, that sounds cool. I'll be a door gunner. So, yeah, man, I got to hang

• 13:36Speaker 02

  out. And we had the old M60s at the time. We were just starting to get some two 40s, like, in, oh, yeah, oh, four or five is when they first got fielded out there. But we had the M60s at that time. So I got to ride a lot of left seat. I think I got close, like, five hundred and some hours in that thing. Yeah, it was ridiculous, because you go out for twelve hours a day, they break, they're not supposed to break this, like, crew rest, they have to, they can only be out for a certain amount of time. But, you know, the rules were slightly, you know, they, they worked with them a little different.

• 14:07Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  Back then. So we had some, two hard landings, about six months apart. And I was on that aircraft both times. And I had the same crew chief with me. It messed him up. Like, he had, I mean, his head got scrambled. So he ended up having to get out, seek a lot of, he had a lot of TBI stuff going on, and a lot of VA appointments. I just kept driving on. And then the same pilot, both times, different copilot. Or maybe he, but it was the copilot, and it was a different pilot, but same dude. He ended up, when we got back

• 14:49Speaker 02

  to Fort Campbell, that dude, that pilot ended up, he died in a, another crash that was a training accident, yeah. So those were definitely some, we actually were flying the Speaker of the House at the time, Bill Hastert.

• 15:04Jack Murphy?

  Uh huh.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  And we crashed with him.

• 15:06Jack Murphy?

  He was on one of them?

• 15:07Speaker 02

  He was in the other aircraft. Like, we were, like, the gunship that was supporting him, and we crashed. So.

• 15:18Jack Murphy?

  Were, you one of the dudes that was there when they found you day in Qusay? Because I remember 101st was.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  101st was there, I was not there.

• 15:28Jack Murphy?

  Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  I was in the region, but not, unfortunately, I missed that one.

• 15:34Jack Murphy?

  So you were over there, sounds like you were pretty busy. No shortage of jobs to do.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, we had plenty of work.

• 15:40Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. How did kind of that, like, campaign wind down for you?

• 15:47Speaker 02

  That was it. When we just, we were done, came back home, and then it was just one day. We actually started building some pretty good fobs. And we were hiring some local forest dudes. I was paying them four dollars a day in cash. And they were, I'd line them up at the end of the day. They did work for eight, nine hours, digging ditches, building stuff with, you know, wood that we were, you know, accruing to build whatever kind of structures or places for guys to live and things like that. So it was kind of a

• 16:26Speaker 02

  fun transition when, you know, I got to see that we were doing, something was happening.

• 16:34Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  Right? It was like we were leaving some kind of infrastructure in place. So that was good. Now, we did have an interpreter that I worked with, I'm not gonna say daily, but definitely multiple times a week. And we would have to get money from accounting. And then we would use that cash, you know, we'd pay off our dudes, we'd have contractors to help moving heavy equipment, moving earth, whatever. So my interpreter was kind of also like the contract liaison. And a pile of money got him killed once he left outside of the fob. Yeah, so that, that happened. After, I'd go out to the edge of the fob

• 17:19Speaker 02

  that we were building every day, and I had this, like, big concertina wire fence. It was probably like, I don't know, eighty feet, about fifty feet or something. And there'd be a hundred and fifty dudes packing to this thing, trying to get them to do work for us, because they're getting that four dollars a day in cash.

• 17:34Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  So they would, they would be out there, and me and Chris would go out. And it was just chaos, man. They, you got all these dudes trying to, and most of them were good dudes, Iraqi citizens, that wanted to get some work. And so they're like, they're begging, you know, and they're gonna come up to you, and they're gonna be, man, you start touching us like that, we're freaking out. We're still, I mean, I don't know what the hell's going on at this point. You come up here, and you start touching me. Now I feel like you're reaching for my magazines or whatever. Now I'm screaming like a fool, everybody get down, like I'm Rambo, you know? Bring a 203 out one day, just to, I don't have any,

• 18:21Speaker 02

  no ammunition for it, but they don't know this, you know, just to make a sound like a rack and a shotgun. So it was, it was interesting, to say the least. Just trying to do, like, two dudes trying to do this crowd control. And then you grab ten, twelve, fifteen guys, and they throw them in the back, you know, I drove one truck, he drove another truck. I think it was just kind of all over the place.

• 18:45Jack Murphy?

  You're also a young guy, kind of, it sounds like in some ways, acting like the mayor of a little town.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  Early twenties. I did not have any business doing what I was doing, or doing what I thought that I was doing. Yeah.

• 18:59Jack Murphy?

  Sometimes it's better, you don't, you don't know any better than.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Right.

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• 23:47Jack Murphy?

  So when you get back to the United States, when does SF sort of come into the picture for you? How is that on your mind?

• 23:55Speaker 02

  So when I was deployed, I saw dudes that looked a lot cooler than me.

• 24:02Jack Murphy?

  They had pockets on their sleeves and Velcro.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  Remember, I was coming from the Marine Corps. I didn't know anything about the Army. So this guy Chris, I'm talking about, like, who are those cats? You're like, they're, those are special forces, man. They don't even exist. I see them. They're right there. He's like, no, man, you can't do that. It's like, okay, like, what do you got to do? He's like, oh, he advertised to Sears School, because that's all he knew about it. He's like, oh, man, you gotta like, you know, go live in the woods and survive. All right, let's try it. So yeah, man, you talk to a recruiter that tells you a little bit more about it, still slightly vague. I was like, yeah, let's give it a go.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  And I got in shape and I went to a selection. And yeah, that sucked. Yeah, that was, that was.

• 24:56Jack Murphy?

  What year was that, that you went to selection?

• 24:58Speaker 02

  What, eight? Seven?

• 25:01Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, so I was like, you know, you got to fill out a wish list. And I was like, I'm going to speak Arabic and be an 18 Delta.

• 25:13Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, and they were like sold.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  And I'm like, got it, man. Like, skip selection, just go right to the course and train this guy. Who wants that? So yeah, got what I wanted. And yeah, that was, that was super interesting.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  And I got through the medic course and made it out to fifth group.

• 25:43Jack Murphy?

  What was your, kind of your impression going through the Q course at that time? Was it sort of the, the experience that you were hoping for?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was professional.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  It was really professional because.

• 25:57Jack Murphy?

  Especially the 18 Delta course.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  That part was definitely, that was an experience that, because that's long, you know?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Going through that, it was a year long. And it was, it was run by civilians. I mean, there was definitely a lot of military cadre there, but it was a majority of it were civilians, PAs.

• 26:21Jack Murphy?

  Retired guys.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of retired 18 Deltas, dudes that have now gone on to nursing school, dudes that have gone on to become PAs, civilian PAs, dudes that have had a lot of experience. And these guys are super smart, like ridiculously intelligent and trying to teach me how to be a doctor and a surgeon in less than a year. And I was like, man, I, you know, I couldn't even put on a Band-Aid, you know, before going to this course. I had no idea about trauma medicine. Guys are teaching me how to do an IV, you know, back when I was in the regular Army. And I didn't understand the concept of like a needle in a catheter. It's foreign to me.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  I have no idea how I made it through that course. Zero social life, three hours of studying every night, and a lot of luck. Yeah. Because they ask you some really crazy questions on there, on these tests, and you're getting tested every, every few days.

• 27:24Jack Murphy?

  All right.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  So, and then they've got, so we had cadavers in this course, and we had this PIN test, which I went as a cadre.

• 27:34Jack Murphy?

  Like anatomy?

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was a cadre, I tried to help alleviate some of that struggle because it's, it's at a doctorate level, for sure. It's asking you about, you've got this cadaver that's broken down into all the nerves, vessels, veins, everything you can imagine. And it's asking you not specifically like, what muscle is this? Like, okay, cool. But what happens when you flex this muscle? What does this one do? And then the nerve that's attached to that and the innervation of that nerve? And it's like, what the?

• 28:11Speaker 02

  What do I need to know this for?

• 28:14Speaker 02

  So, yeah, and you forget it. So I don't, that was my point when I went back to, as a cadre, I was like, we don't need this, man, because we're not going to use it.

• 28:22Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  So, I don't know.

• 28:25Jack Murphy?

  And was there a final exercise in the course back when you went through?

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, not, it was, but it was, it was kind of watered down. It wasn't.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  It was very anticlimactic, uh, which is actually one of the things that I wanted to change during my tenure there. So I think we did a pretty good job of doing that. Uh, we actually brought in a whole different phase during my time. Uh, cause I went back as a cadre, uh, later on for that Delta course and we were able to include prolonged field care. Because that wasn't a part of the course at the time.

• 29:04Jack Murphy?

  It was all the golden hour was the thing.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Right. And then you realize that, okay, well, we're actually going to have to sit on this dude.

• 29:12Jack Murphy?

  For days.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  For days again, um, because Africa's going on and those dudes aren't getting a quick transport out of Africa. So when that happens, we're advertising that we can sit on a, a patient for 72 hours. But yet we don't push blood. We don't do a lot of ventilation. We don't do a lot of things that we're advertising. Um, you know, we might've practiced the skill one time, uh, you know, for like two days and then we moved past it. That's not proficiency, right? I'm not going to honestly expect myself to be able to go and handle that. Two years, three years from now. Uh, so a lot of that did get to change and we were able to bring in a really good final training exercise.

• 29:56Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we'll circle back around on that for sure. Um, but after you graduate the course, you get assigned to fifth group. Fort Campbell, Kentucky, and, uh, your first kind of spot that you leaned is in fourth battalion. So now what, what is this? 2008 maybe?

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:13Jack Murphy?

  So we were there at the same time, actually.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Uh, so what was your experience like?

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Um, on three, five, it was, it was awesome. One of my favorite teams that I was ever on.

• 30:28Jack Murphy?

  That's awesome.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  But actually when I got there, cause they weren't spinning up for deployments. So at that time, um, at least not all the teams were, I went and did a Caribbean dive recall. I didn't even go to dive school yet and I'm in the Caribbean for a month. So that was like, oh, this is a vacation. That was kind of one of the coolest training exercises that I'd gotten to go on.

• 30:58Jack Murphy?

  As I recall, they had some of the teams going out on J sets around that timeframe, right?

• 31:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:03Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Yep. We went, uh, we were doing dive recalls and, uh, just, just starting to spin up later on. Uh, and then I went over to third battalion.

• 31:17Jack Murphy?

  But I mean, they sent you to dive school while you were there?

• 31:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 31:20Jack Murphy?

  Oh, really?

• 31:21Speaker 02

  No. Nope.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  So there was a, I guess there was a school of thought at this point where sir major was like, look, uh, at that time, no, that was Ranger school. Cause I was trying to go to Ranger school at the time. He's like, man, I'm not going to lose you for 63 days. I'm not going to lose a delta for 63 days. This is just one, it's our major's mindset at the time. Maybe more feeling that way, but you know, being a delta, we weren't a lot of us, like not every team had two, right? So as you know, like a lot of teams had one, some teams didn't have any, you know, for periods of time. Uh, matter of fact, I had to jump to a couple of different teams to help make their missions. Uh, even deploy with other teams. Uh, and even while I was gone on a deployment,

• 32:10Speaker 02

  the team would lose a medic and I'd go over and augment over for another team for a little while. So I did not get to go to CDQC. I did not get to go to Ranger school.

• 32:22Jack Murphy?

  Well, where, where did you get sent?

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Uh, I went to dive teams as a, as a dry medic. I went to Halo teams. Never got to go to Halo school. I got sent to J sets and deployments. So no, I didn't get to go to any cool schools.

• 32:42Jack Murphy?

  So you're like a floating medic in some ways. Where, uh, what J sets did you get sent on at the time?

• 32:47Speaker 02

  I did a lot of Lebanon's.

• 32:48Jack Murphy?

  Oh, really?

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:49Jack Murphy?

  I didn't even really realize we were shooting people over there at that time.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did a lot of Lebanon's.

• 32:56Jack Murphy?

  Well, what was that one like?

• 32:58Speaker 02

  So Lebanon is actually a pretty cool country. Uh, well, it was, um, until recently, until it's now in shambles, but, uh,

• 33:09Speaker 02

  so the, in Beirut is where the embassy was. The marine barracks were there and that got blown up and that was what 83?

• 33:18Jack Murphy?

  Eighty-three.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Um, that's still there and all of its parts and pieces.

• 33:23Jack Murphy?

  Oh, no shit.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  There's still a 50 cal sitting up on the top, under a cover. I don't know if it's the one from 83, but it's been up there for a very, very, very long time. And the people that work at the embassy were like, yeah, man, that's, that's been here forever. So, um, Lebanon is kind of nice. You've got mountains, you've got beaches, all in the same day. They've got ski resorts there. They've got like terrific restaurants.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  So that's kind of fun, right? But then, you know, you get a couple of days of that, but then you're for another 20, 30 days up in the mountains, in the cold, training these dudes, uh, you know, walking through the, the mountains and put a POI together for, for a month or two, and then come back down, enjoy a couple of days. Uh, but it was overall a pretty good J set. Um, I mean, they had nightlife, they had, and we'd get escorts everywhere we go. But then later on, it became a lot more free.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  When I ended up going back in 2018 and we kind of just do whatever, just as long as you've got somebody with you. You know, we take a, we take a truck and Hilux and you can go out to eat restaurants or whatever.

• 34:53Jack Murphy?

  What was it like training the Lebanese partner force?

• 34:58Speaker 02

  So I have to, uh, you know, a lot of guys got foreign jump wings. Did you get any foreign jump wings?

• 35:04Jack Murphy?

  Chilean, I believe, weirdly enough.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  That's unique.

• 35:08Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  So a lot of guys get like Italian and all kinds of stuff, right? Unless somebody out there, somebody can, is going to search internet and prove me wrong or make a comment that they got them after we did. As far as I know, we were the first team and only team to ever get the Lebanese air assault wings.

• 35:32Jack Murphy?

  Interesting.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  Cause we trained their air assault unit. Um, and they had this air assault school tower. We weren't rappelling off their tower and then we got these Lebanese assault wings. There's only 10 of us got, that got awarded that. Cause not everybody went down on tower. Uh, captain was doing something or whatever that day, briefing another officer.

• 35:54Jack Murphy?

  We've had, sitting in that same chair, uh, Mike Taylor, who was a 10th group guy.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:00Jack Murphy?

  But back in the day, 10th group covered down on Lebanon.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:04Jack Murphy?

  And he was on the first MTT to Lebanon. I believe, I believe it was 83. Um, and then, uh, Gary Harrington, he was over there too, around, around that same timeframe. So yeah, it's just interesting to hear these different experiences, you know, and the more things change, the more they stay the same, I guess.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  One of the, I think I went back again in 15 or 14. And yeah, during a, a rotation in 14, I, we were working with the dive team. Uh, with the Navy SEALs. So I was on a dive team at the time. So we went down and we were training their, their Navy SEALs. And the irony is like, there was a lot of dudes, uh, that couldn't swim.

• 36:54Jack Murphy?

  Couldn't swim, yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  So I could say, yeah, man, I taught the Navy SEALs how to swim.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  I sound like a total ass by saying that unless I had, they were Lebanese.

• 37:06Jack Murphy?

  You're telling these stories. I knew a couple of National Guard guys who had a really cozy gig going, where every summer they'd go down to Jamaica and work with Jamaica. They have some sort of dive team, rescue dive team. I don't know what they are.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:20Jack Murphy?

  Work with them every summer for a J set. Like it's pretty cush.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, those were, those were pretty good times. Cause we'd do a lot of waterborne operations and, uh, the Mediterranean is really good swimming. That's, that's a great place to go dive, go swim. No sharks. That's a big worry. Now we'd go down in the Caribbean to do dive recall. We would, at a team sergeant, uh, that dude was awesome. Uh, he's still, still a good friend, but he would purposely find like these coordinates of where these, a bunch of sharks.

• 37:56Jack Murphy?

  Chum the waters before he puts you in there?

• 37:58Speaker 02

  So we'll get to that one. So we'd go dive down to where there's known to be little shark neighborhoods. And so, uh, it might be 60, 65 foot down. So going down in the bottom, now as a civilian diver. So when I'd go on dive recall, yeah, I hadn't gone to CDQC, but I was a civilian diver, um, from Nowie. And so I dove down and yeah, we'd be swimming around with those dudes. And so I got to swim with sharks, got to dive with sharks, which was terrifying, uh, for the first like five minutes. And once you kind of break that fear of it, and I'm not going to say you don't notice them anymore, but you, you pay them a little less attention.

• 38:38Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  And you recognize that you're in their, their area and they're just seeing what's going on and, uh, you know, I, I think I played, I tried to play chicken with one. Uh, it was like kind of coming towards me a little bit. So I planned out. I started swimming towards him a little bit. Like I, I thought I was a lot tougher than what I was. He didn't stop coming. So yeah, I bailed out and, uh, yeah, he won. I'll give it to him. But we did chum the water. We actually went out to this place called one, two buoy. One, two buoy. So take the boats out and we're just going to free dive out here. We're going to go spearfishing. Um, my one, two buoy, mind you, is 6,000 feet deep.

• 39:27Jack Murphy?

  Is like a collapsed volcano or something?

• 39:30Speaker 02

  I couldn't tell you. And I don't know. I mean, that is terrifying just psychologically.

• 39:36Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Maybe not for everybody. For me, it was absolutely like just knowing that it's 6,000 foot deep for whatever reason. Not gonna sink to the bottom. I got fins. I got a mask. It doesn't matter if it's 10 feet or 6,000. But the abyss just had me, right? So, okay, we splash in, we're swimming around, we're spearing some amberjack, you know, big amberjack, or probably only this big, but nonetheless. So we throw them onto, uh, we're chumming the water. Ultimately, because we throw them in a net that's hanging off the side of the boat. And keeping them fresh, but you know, there's blood in the water.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Now we got some big dudes coming along. I mean, I say big, they were probably seven, eight foot. And that was just, that was uncomfortable. The first dudes I ran into were like six foot. If you had that extra couple of feet on there, that made a huge difference. So yeah, we got chased out of the water and, but we go do the three K swim, you get dropped off three kilometers, you know, and you got, I had 90 minutes. And you're in your kit and, you know, you're out there, you know, I know the Navy does it out there in San Diego, but, uh, you know, we're doing the Caribbean, which is a lot nicer because you could see the visibility was a lot better. You could see pretty far away, those dudes are out there. Jeez.

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• 42:37Jack Murphy?

  I, and so you spent some time, how long were you at 4th Battalion?

• 42:41Speaker 02

  I was just there for a year.

• 42:43Jack Murphy?

  Oh, okay. So they kept you busy in that year?

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:45Jack Murphy?

  And then you, uh, how did you move over to 3rd Battalion?

• 42:49Speaker 02

  They needed some dudes over at 3rd Battalion.

• 42:51Jack Murphy?

  Need the medic?

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were rotating.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  So I ended up on, uh, on 36. And that was good. That was, uh, well, best team in 5th Group, actually. Had the trophy. So, uh, had that for, for a while. And then from 36, I went to 12. Um, and did some deployments out there, uh, in the northern region. Now then 12, we were attached to 95, uh, well, the old ODA 595.

• 43:37Jack Murphy?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  So, yeah, they did the initial invasion. So we went with them. And I got to work with 95 for quite a while for that,

• 43:47Speaker 02

  you know, a lot of that deployment. Um, and we got into some pretty good ticks.

• 43:52Jack Murphy?

  Where was that?

• 43:53Speaker 02

  That was in, outside of Mazaral Reef.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  It was in the north.

• 44:01Jack Murphy?

  So that's like, is that Harat out in that area?

• 44:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 44:05Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  It was outside of Mez.

• 44:07Jack Murphy?

  Okay, okay. Uh, so,

• 44:12Jack Murphy?

  well, first you were with 36. Did you get sent anywhere with that team?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Lebanon.

• 44:17Jack Murphy?

  Oh, okay. That was your Lebanon trip.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Lebanon.

• 44:21Jack Murphy?

  Okay. And then 12 to Afghanistan.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:26Jack Murphy?

  Um, and you were the delta on the team, I take it?

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:31Jack Murphy?

  Um, and so what kind of stands out in your memory from that time? And what year was it that you were there?

• 44:37Speaker 02

  I did that one in 12, 13.

• 44:42Jack Murphy?

  So Bin Laden has been taken out.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:46Jack Murphy?

  Um, like what was your conception of like what you were doing there? Why, why the team was there?

• 44:52Speaker 02

  You know, at the time,

• 44:55Speaker 02

  ever since like the initial invasion and the reason that we went over there.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  In my mind, it was just full send. We have to go and do this for America. We've got to do this to protect our freedom.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  And it didn't matter about, you know, whether or not the leader of the largest terrorist cell in the world was dead. Because all of them aren't dead.

• 45:32Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  So that's still the problem. We have to finish all of that. What does finish look like?

• 45:38Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  Right? But then what does finish look like when no one else is standing? Except, you know, the good guys.

• 45:45Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, which is kind of an insane objective when you think about it.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Right?

• 45:49Jack Murphy?

  Reflect back on that.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  And I've done a lot of reflecting since then. So, uh, yeah, we'll get to that, but that was kind of the objective is just keep going and keep trying to do what we thought, man, this is God's work. You know, they're all bad guys. And hell, we made them. We made a lot of those guys bad guys. Like I said, if you come to my house and you break in at, you know, whatever, 2 o'clock in the morning,

• 46:24Speaker 02

  I'm not going to be too happy about it. And

• 46:26Jack Murphy?

  It's like, if we weren't there, would that guy be trying to kill Americans? Al Qaeda guy maybe, but like Taliban dude? What the hell do they care?

• 46:36Speaker 02

  They, they know. But I'm over there and I'm in his house where his family sleeps.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:45Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, piss off the locals.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  He's got a problem with that.

• 46:48Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  And and I, and I don't understand that.

• 46:53Jack Murphy?

  At that time?

• 46:54Speaker 02

  At that time.

• 46:54Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. What were some of your more memorable experiences from that trip?

• 47:01Speaker 02

  Uh,

• 47:04Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's a good question. That's a very good question.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  I've got some.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Maybe they're not the, they're not good memories.

• 47:19Jack Murphy?

  They can be good, bad, funny, whatever you want.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  So

• 47:28Speaker 02

  we got, uh, so we were QRF one night. 95 was on a hit. And

• 47:36Speaker 02

  so we're sitting by the fire, aircraft is sitting there ready. And, uh, we've got a package for them. We're going to bring either ammo or like some med supplies, a couple of different packages. So they're going to go do this hit. We'll call it 2300. Cause I'm pretty sure that was the time the hit was. About 2315, the radio crackles. These dudes are like, we need some help, man. They're calling in the entire package.

• 48:06Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Like, bro, you guys just got onto the objective. Like, we're in route. We, everything is loaded up. We spin up and airborne we go. We're there in, I don't know, 30 minutes, maybe a little less, but

• 48:22Speaker 02

  hitting the ground. I know roughly where they are. We all do.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  So we've got, now we prepared with everything. We packed. We packed it all. It should have been in a truck, but we don't have a truck. We've got a UH 60. And so now it's like a selection event. Trying to carry all of this shit because we're on a ridge line. So we got to go down this ridge line like, because aircraft won't even get us super close. Cause it's going to drop us off, I don't know, 500, 600 meters away from the objective. So now we've got to try to haul all this stuff. Uh, and team starts like, can he go? Cause they're, they, they need medic support pretty bad.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  So me and a couple of guys, we haul ass. We're heading onto the X. Everybody else is like carrying equipment. Uh, so I get there and

• 49:24Speaker 02

  one of the, the Bravo on the other team,

• 49:29Speaker 02

  he's walking up this little ridge line where we're linking up and he's got a dude on his shoulder. And, uh, I was like, hey, he's like, oh, Kenny, you're here. Yeah, bud. He's like, hey, I got somebody for you. Okay, cool. Let's put him, put him over here on the flat ground. So he puts him on the flat ground. Now there's, we're still in this like pretty good firefight going on. And so, you know, there's three rules SF.

• 49:55Jack Murphy?

  Always look cool.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  That's rule number one, right? Always look cool. So when I heard that in selection, I was like, yeah.

• 50:04Jack Murphy?

  Sunglasses for sure.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Or Merrells or something, you know. Cool watch, gotta have it. And then rule number two is don't get lost.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  No problem. I got GPS. Stop and ask directions. Rule number three is if you get lost, so cool doing it.

• 50:21Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  I really didn't understand that concept either. Maybe I was like the slowest guy. I slipped through somehow, but I didn't understand really what all that meant. And it might mean different, different things to different guys. I'll tell you what it means for me. And it was there. When he gave me this guy that's missing a big chunk of his head. And he's got multiple gunshot wounds on him.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  And I'm like, oh, this dude is not in a good situation. He's not doing well.

• 50:56Jack Murphy?

  But you're the medic, so you gotta be cool.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  I'm the medic. And now he brings me another guy. So I'm putting this one dude's head back together. I'm running through my algorithm. I got in the bleeding stopped and putting his head back together. Dude brings me another guy. Now, you know, it's midnight-ish. I don't think we have a full moon out, so the loom is very low. And, you know, you can't white light anything. And just right there is the village that this gunfight's still happening. I got my Bravo's now showed up. And he's running his gun. It's kind of loud.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  And I got two patients putting one's head back together. And I'll get to the other one. I'm going through my march algorithm, massive hemorrhage, airway, respiration. So I get to airway and I was like, it's not doing good. So I'm going to intubate this guy. And I've done this plenty of times in the hospital. But never during a gunfight on a ridgeline at midnight, under nods. So I start to open up his mouth and it's not really opening. And I was like, you know what? I'm not even going to do this. We're going straight to the crack.

• 52:01Jack Murphy?

  Because of injuries.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, we're going straight to the crack.

• 52:05Speaker 02

  I pull out my knife. And then this, Jack, this is when it made sense. Cause inside, I mean, I'm kind of freaking out, but you wouldn't know it, right? Because I've done this a hundred times, thousand times in training. So I'm like, look cool, right? Just look calm and collected. And then, alright, so I grab this dude's neck. I can't really see super good. So I've got a palpate. I gotta feel the Adam's apple. I gotta feel where that cartilage is going to be. And I was like, don't get lost.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  So I start to make the cut. And I'm like, fuck, if you get lost, look cool doing it, you know? Success. Success. Drop the tube, bam. You know, now I'm feeling like, oh, man. I'm bad ass.

• 53:00Jack Murphy?

  Big deal. I planned it that way.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, definitely did not see. That wasn't on my bingo card, you know, got up this morning, but there it is. We did it. Uh, and so that's where those three rules SF came in. Uh, and that was kind of a memorable moment because then that carried with me for a lot of different things later. Yeah, we ended up, I had several patients. I had six patients. Medic on the, on the team on nine five ended up with shrapnel, uh, from a grenade through and through. He was medevac first thing as we came in. So like it was me out there.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  And I guess I got to learn a lot about,

• 53:40Speaker 02

  a lot about me and a lot about the training. It really validated

• 53:45Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Everything that the, that SOCOM course is teaching. I mean, through those halls make the greatest medics in the world. Uh, I'm the biggest believer in that. Like those guys are absolute studs. When you get out of that course, if you're able to make it through that course, uh, very difficult first time go rate, but if you're able to make it through the course, you are stellar. I would let any eighteen delta work on me. Before a lot of these, like, I don't know, some of these dudes out there in the civilian world. Uh, yeah, I trust eighteen deltas.

• 54:23Jack Murphy?

  And did that kind of, like you said, that kind of like stuck with you? Would, did you find that, you know, in, in times of high stress, you were able to remain calm?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  It certainly helped out.

• 54:35Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Even

• 54:40Speaker 02

  working with some of the local populace, we would do these little kind of like a medcap, right? So we'd do medical capabilities. I would show up as the, you know, Western doctor kind of guy, you know, and I would get all kinds of folks out there. Uh, kids. I had a kid and I was seeing this kid every, uh, every few days. I'd have him come back. He was burned. The story that I got was they kept changing. But nonetheless, you take off like from his feet to his head. Just his whole body was completely different.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Because of just the severity of the burns.

• 55:25Jack Murphy?

  Was this scarred over or is it still open?

• 55:28Speaker 02

  It was some still open and a lot of it was just scarred over. And he was just still trying to heal from this.

• 55:35Jack Murphy?

  This is not a sterile environment that, uh, he's healing.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  Not at all.

• 55:39Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  So, you know, I'm like, I, I, what I've got with me. Man, this guy needs a long-term burn unit. He needs skin grafts. He needs surgeries. And I can't do that, right? But I do have some things that I can do. I do have some pain medications to help him get through his day. Uh, and I can wrap him up. And that psychologically makes them feel better. So I spent a lot of Kurelex on this kid, but the family was very thankful and that showed gratitude enough. Even though I know that that's not what he needed. But I can't give him what he needed.

• 56:20Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  I'm going to do anything that I can. And I guess that made me feel that I was, I was doing something good, but then who did that to this kid?

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Did we do that to this kid? Accidentally?

• 56:35Jack Murphy?

  Right, right. In an airstrike or something.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Because

• 56:44Speaker 02

  we may have done that to not that kid, but somebody else.

• 56:48Jack Murphy?

  Sure.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  When we're, we were in,

• 56:52Speaker 02

  we were in a tick and we're, we're getting after it. Everything was, everything was going pretty smooth, more than I thought. But it just wasn't ending. Uh, we're about nine hours into this thing. We got some air support and so my Bravo is like, man, I got this three twenty. We got all these grenades. Let's go. Yep, let's do this. So we just, we're just firing for effect because we're this one, this one group of houses. These dudes are just all over the place.

• 57:28Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. Little ants in the anthill.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you're like, you know what? Cool. We're going to do it. So we just start lobbing grenades in there. And

• 57:39Speaker 02

  we get a call from C one thirty Spectre and it's like, hey, you guys got a dude running around on fire down there.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  I found this funny

• 57:52Speaker 02

  at the time.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Like maniacally evil.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  Funny.

• 58:01Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, nine hours into the firefight, you're not thinking totally clearly.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  You're

• 58:07Speaker 02

  but then like, fuck, man, you know, I, I, I feel like I, whenever I was running my gun, I, I felt like I wanted to, I don't know, at least be decent about it.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Even back then.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Cause I saw what happens with dudes who are really injured. And all that pain and all that, that I'm getting to witness as the medic. So I'm like, you know what? I'm, I'm not going to be that guy, right? At least I'm going to try to do my work to the fullest extent so that they don't have to, because they don't have me on that other side or a guy like me, you know, with, with fentanyl lollipops and pushing ketamine and, you know, this guy's going to suck for a couple of minutes, but then I'm going to take care of him. And, you know, snow him and he's going to be okay. Uh, pain wise, they don't have any of that. So I thought I was a good human.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  But, you know, having that mindset, but then catching this guy on fire, then I was like, I don't care. Like that's funny.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  That came back around years later.

• 59:23Jack Murphy?

  So it wasn't, at, at the time, it felt completely normal to you?

• 59:27Speaker 02

  A lot of stuff that we did.

• 59:29Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  That, looking back, it's like, that was not normal.

• 59:34Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  But we normalized that.

• 59:38Jack Murphy?

  Particularly, you know, when you're a special ops guy, like you deploying over and over and over again, having those like repeated exposures.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:46Jack Murphy?

  Like you can't help but feel like this is normal for you.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  You get numb to it.

• 59:50Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  You get numb. I, like I said, I tried to add the, keep the human factor involved in it. But there are definitely times where

• 59:59Jack Murphy?

  You felt it slip away.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  We just, we're just doing work and it doesn't matter. And you have to just cut that off. No emotion. You can't show emotion to everything.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Cause it's all going to come and catch up to you some point. But I tell you, it's not going to happen today. You know, during this, during, while we're out here on this mission, none of that's happening.

• 1:00:25Jack Murphy?

  I don't think, I think very few people even think that far ahead that, you know, what are, what are the long-term repercussions?

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  And I, I wasn't thinking that at that time either.

• 1:00:34Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  Like I, I don't think anybody was. Nobody really talked about that. And when you did have some kind of feelings, emotions, thoughts, mental health is what we're calling it now, right? Nobody wanted to talk about that.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Except one guy.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  And, uh,

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  It was.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  There was probably a little bit of alcohol that might have gotten, you know, moved around into the country that, you know, might not have, should have been there, but it was. Uh, and I think that that was a major contributing factor. But, uh, I did have a teammate, he was on the other team, uh, but we were co-located together and was going through some, some struggles.

• 1:01:29Jack Murphy?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  And, uh, I, I found him with his nine millimeter in his mouth.

• 1:01:41Jack Murphy?

  Oof.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  That was a difficult encounter on deployment. Um, because, oh shit, man, I gotta be super gentle with this, cause

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  I could say the wrong thing.

• 1:02:01Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Or make the wrong move or whatever, and fortunately, uh, I don't know, a good two hours, you know, we talked earlier about, you know, talk therapy, you can go to a VA. But if you talk to somebody that's, you know, you're, you're, have done similar things, right? You can probably get the point across a lot better and things can, you know, a brotherhood type of thing that you can work out instead of talking to somebody that graduated a psychology degree and has never been in the military, they're, might not shed the same insight. So I was able to work with him enough, uh, to get the gun out of his mouth in two hours of talking, a lot of hugging, a lot of crying, a lot of all kinds of stuff.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  That was very, very unusual for a situation like that at all.

• 1:02:52Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, unexpected.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Um, cause guys didn't really want to talk about mental health. You just, you go, you work, you, you do things and then you keep that buried. You, you keep it where, you know, it doesn't, doesn't need to come out, we don't talk about it, we don't, it's just.

• 1:03:10Jack Murphy?

  I've heard stories over the years that like, I, I really feel for some of these teams, um, and the story, it's always some variation of this, you know, my team sergeant got killed, my team leader got killed.

• 1:03:26Jack Murphy?

  The guys are hurting, but the mission continues. These teams are left out there on these little fobs to continue the mission and stuff starts disappearing from the med cabinet and that's kind of like what brings the whole, the whole shit show starts rolling downhill, you know, as the guys come unglued over time. You can see how it happens, you know?

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  That did happen, not to me, not to my team. Um, I was always very good on the accountability of our meds. I'm still yet, I've pushed a lot of ketamine, I've never experienced ketamine.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  A lot of other things, but ketamine, never. Uh, so maybe one day.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  But on another team, we're all going out on a deployment, you know, several teams are all flying out together. This dude shows up, he's a medic and he's just not looking good at all. And I can identify when a dude's been using, I don't know exactly what it is he's been using, but I know he's been using and he's got a problem. I didn't know the medic very well at all. Um, you know, you guys in the, down the hallway, this team's gone, this team's gone, back and forth, like, oh man, you're the new guy here, he's like, no, been here three years, like shit, I've never seen you, you know? Uh, so it's kind of one of those deals and I could tell that, I was like, you know what? This is actually good that he's gone on this deployment, cause whatever he was doing,

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  he needs to get away from that.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Um, now I've got no oversight of the dude, um, cause they go on wherever, uh, area that they're going to and turns out, he got into his med box. Um, so he went home.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Which also is not the answer, because when he got home, he OD'd on heroin and died.

• 1:05:30Jack Murphy?

  Jeez.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  So it's a slippery slope. Whether, you know, I don't know, the underlying circumstances, whether the guy just likes to get high, or whether it was a trauma related issue that he'd been experiencing through, you know, previous deployments that he's not been able to deal with.

• 1:05:50Jack Murphy?

  To throw away his special forces career and then to start injecting heroin, yeah, there's gotta be some.

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• 1:08:02Jack Murphy?

  Underlying issues, yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  Definitely a situation going on. But he's not the only case, you know?

• 1:08:09Jack Murphy?

  For sure.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  There's so many more.

• 1:08:11Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Not just with heroin, but with, one, all types of drugs.

• 1:08:15Jack Murphy?

  Opiates. Well, heroin's an opiate, but other opiates.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and other drugs.

• 1:08:22Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Um, I was not an exception to that rule.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:08:31Jack Murphy?

  And was that when you came back from some of these trips that you're kind of like self-medicating?

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, so during that time, it was alcohol.

• 1:08:43Jack Murphy?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  Uh, as we talked about, you know, alcohol is socially acceptable.

• 1:08:49Jack Murphy?

  Especially in the army.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Man, everybody's drinking in the, in the army and team parties, you know, alcohol's always a staple, it's kind of the, almost a focal point. Um, so you get used to that just being the way that things are and that's just life. What we know, but we don't really practice is the fact that we have to understand that that is a depressant. That will lower, get all hippy woo woo now, but that lowers our vibration.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Lowering that vibration allows some negative energy to come in. Now, when you go out and you spend your life doing some negative energy filled stuff, like going on raids and hits and, you know, un-aliving people, or at least being, being in that environment where that's the thing, like some negative spirits are gonna attach to you, cause now what's happening at home when you're out doing this, not for all guys, some guys have amazing, you know, support systems back at home, some guys don't, they come back, the support system's gone, right? This leads to a lot of divorce, this leads to a lot of, you know, problems now, guys don't have their kids, cause of these divorces. So now you, they're dealing with all this compound interest of garbage, right?

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  Of, of trauma, not just from what they did in, you know, Peshmerga, but what happened when they were gone and what they're dealing with now that they're getting home. And so you turn alcohol, you turn alcohol, you lower your vibrations, you allow some negative energy to get into you and then guys will blackout, right? They'll do stuff, say stuff, the next day they're like, you remember saying this? No, I don't. Yeah, it's some kind of dark spirit was in you, taking over, man, and living in your body. And we do that, we do that for years. And that one thing leads to another.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  You start with the alcohol, you move on to something else, some other kind of drugs, whatever those may be, prescription pills, tramadol was a big one that guys really liked, cause that was an opioid. And pain medication, just pop that pill, it's like a really good looking, the proxen, uh, that takes the pain away. But then you become addicted to that, like you just need that to just keep on.

• 1:11:23Jack Murphy?

  The function.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  And that's the same with most all of those types of opioids.

• 1:11:27Jack Murphy?

  And also the guys, you know, again, I can feel like sympathetic for it, as a guy goes through their career, starts racking up injuries, like there's a toll on the body as well, not just the mind. And some of these guys start using steroids because they want to stay on their team, they want to stay on the game, they, they worked very hard to get to that position, they, they don't want to leave because their vertebrae are fucked up.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  And they got injured, so they need to get something to help them get back.

• 1:11:55Jack Murphy?

  Right, right. And things just continue to kind of spiral.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  It does. And then.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  It happened to me. They go into these like subcultures and motorcycle brought me into a whole new subculture as I did with a lot of guys.

• 1:12:15Jack Murphy?

  When did that begin?

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  And I got my first bike when I was eight. So I've always been riding and I've had Harleys for 20 years, 25 years.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  And everybody knows about all these, you know, high and 1% clubs, you know, they're they got movies about them and TV shows and documentaries, Hells Angels, Outlaws, Mahagans and

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  those helped kind of spawn other clubs that a lot of veterans are involved in. And you go around to these military bases, there are a few other kind of big clubs

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  that will also feed into those big 1%er clubs. Now, a 1%er club is going to run the whole, like whatever territory. So if your club is in that territory, you answer to them.

• 1:13:14Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Like if you want to wear the three-piece set, you gotta be subservient to whoever the big daddy is in that region.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  And there are military veterans, active and retired, that will prospect, they will go through six months, a year, sometimes longer depending on the, the club, to earn that three-piece patch to go ride their motorcycle along with a bunch of other dudes wearing that patch.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not quite Sons of Anarchy, but

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  sometimes it's not too far off from that.

• 1:13:56Jack Murphy?

  Depending on how deep some of these guys get.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  And military organizations are involved in some of that, which then spawns into

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  a lot more alcohol use, drug use, which in the biker community, they like speed.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  Those dudes like methamphetamines, cocaine, not to say in all the veterans organizations that ride motorcycles are doing that. What I'm saying is that you get, you might get some exposure, a lot more exposure when you're around that type of culture than you would just being in the military. Uh, and a lot of guys do get get exposed to that and then end up going down some of those routes.

• 1:14:43Jack Murphy?

  And the MCs, I've been told, like, really love these guys because you've been trained to use weapons, explosives. You have all kinds of like counter-surveillance training, you know, how to like spot undercover cops and that kind of stuff. Um, so like military, or do you think military guys are like specifically sought after by some of these motorcycle clubs?

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  They're looked into and another one of the reasons is because they're also easily or more easy to be vetted.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  An example is if you're in one of these 1%er clubs, you're not gonna come from a law enforcement background. Like that's, you have to hang around these clubs just as like a random dude, a friend. It starts to get to know these guys and that might last for a year, two years.

• 1:15:34Jack Murphy?

  They call them like hangarounds or something?

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  Hangarounds. Yeah. And then from there, they might ask you, you know, if you wanted to step up and participate more, they might allow you to then be, become a prospect or a probate. And you might do that for a year, two years before you can become a full patch member. That's a whole vetting process. They're vetting you, you're vetting them. Uh, and yeah, they're not gonna, if you're a military, at least you're, they know a lot more about you. You're, you come in qualified. You come in with not just that background knowledge, but also it's easy to know that you're not a cop.

• 1:16:14Jack Murphy?

  Right. Yeah. Yeah. The police aren't going to put you in the military so you can infiltrate a biker gang.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16:19Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  And there was some guys that did go towards the 1% route from the military.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  In the Outlaws and in the Hells Angels.

• 1:16:37Jack Murphy?

  Uh, after some of those trips with nine five, I mean, were you still in fifth group after that or were you moving on to SWIC?

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Then I went over to SWIC.

• 1:16:46Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went to the Delta Committee.

• 1:16:48Jack Murphy?

  Gotcha. Um, so what was it like becoming a, an 18 Delta instructor?

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  I don't know, man. It's a pretty cool job, I guess. Because

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  you know, the first time you go through the medic course as a student, you're just trying to survive.

• 1:17:05Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Looking through a toilet paper tube.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  Forget it. You, you retain 30, 30% maybe, right? You learn something and you dump it because there's so much more. You've got to learn this next week. And then it's just over and over and over again. Now, once you get out to the later phases of the course, the trauma phases, the hands-on, actually doing, you know, life-saving skills on

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  on people and also on, well, we were using Caprines, goats.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  Those are the types of skills that stick with you and you know, those are, that's a lot of fun. To me, not working on the goats. I don't like that. I don't know. I like animals. I don't like people. I didn't, it wasn't my favorite part.

• 1:17:53Jack Murphy?

  I think every 18 Delta student hates goats by the time they get out of that course.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  If you try to feed it to me, man, I'm gonna throw up. I can't stand the smell.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  That, I don't know, PTSD in my olfactory nerve is gonna, that was awesome. But to answer your question, it actually started to get watered down

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  during my second half of the tenure.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  The reason being is because there's a standard with everything across the board, whether that was Ranger School, whether, and you know, whatever, we can have that conversation about what actually happened. You know, did the standards change or things just get looked at differently? We were getting looked at differently.

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  A guy, I'll give you an example. A guy came through the course that, uh, his faith was Muslim. And he was fasting

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  and we had the UBRR, upper body round robin.

• 1:18:58Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  So not familiar with that, you have to do like bench press. It's like your body weight or 80% of your body weight and how many times can you do it? You gotta do like a minimum of like four or five. It's super low standards. You have to be able to do like three pull-ups.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  You have to be able to like hang from the bar and then put your ankles up above your head and do like four of those. Like to get a basic score, you know, and then of course you have guys that get like 25 and then you go to the dip bar and you gotta get like eight dips. Dude's knockout 40 or whatever. We had this guy, he was, he was Muslim, he's fasting and he

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  couldn't even get the bare minimum of any of them. And then it ends with a five mile run in 40 minutes. He failed every single event.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  Not only that, he failed the PT test that was given like two weeks after that. He failed like three written tests. He failed like two or three of the hands-on versions. And it was, hey, you gotta recycle this guy. You gotta give him another chance. You gotta give him another chance because now we started shifting over to being a little bit more, I don't know if you want to use the word woke, but things were changing.

• 1:20:21Jack Murphy?

  I mean, this might be a little controversial, but it's been said that when there are people going through the Q course who have unique language abilities, that they get pushed through no matter how poorly they do on some of the tests.

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you know what? Maybe that was a portion of it. And I would have said, you know, I a hundred percent agree, but then he, it didn't stop there. That was just the catalyst to then every other dude that couldn't make it through.

• 1:20:50Jack Murphy?

  And it's dangerous.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  Was, oh no, we're giving him another chance, another shot. Give this guy another opportunity. And that just became the norm, almost to be like, you can't fail a guy. So

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  so what did that look like when we were getting briefed by this two-star that comes out? And he said, look, you guys are Green Berets. It's a small group of us, me and maybe four or five other cadre. And he had a captive audience. There we are. And he's like, you're here to train these guys because as a Green Beret, you go overseas and in their target language, you're going to train them to be just like you. And you're telling me you can't do that with Americans that are motivated, that want to do this?

• 1:21:34Speaker 02

  So, well, I mean, no, you got a point, but of course there's definitely two different standards of training. I'm not going to create an American Army Green Beret

• 1:21:44Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  with an Afghan National Army guy. But that's, you know, it's not going to happen, but that was kind of the message that was floated to all of SWIC for a period of time. Uh, and the Delta course, you know, medicine, it's not for everybody. Like just because you are not a good medic, doesn't mean you can't go be a Charlie Echo Bravo. Like there's other opportunities for you, but maybe medicine is not going to be it. If I don't want you working on my family, you know, if like, if you come to my house and like, you're the guy, I'm like, fuck, I don't want that.

• 1:22:17Jack Murphy?

  If you're looking a little iffy on the goat, maybe.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Then I'm like, I'm, I'm not going to pass you, right? Like there's a standard.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  You know, and I can be pretty lenient. Like I, I know we, you know, we need some guys out there. We're not producing these, you know, mass producing soft because we're not supposed to, but it did get a lot more lenient.

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  And, you know,

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  I can't say that that was like the worst thing because I feel like we learned from it. Uh, a lot of folks got slipped through the cracks. And I think now things are changing. I mean, we could see a lot of changes that are being made with this administration. Specifically speaking, on the ideology of military training and what our standard regulations are for the troops. Uh, I think that's gotten a lot better.

• 1:23:10Jack Murphy?

  What was kind of like your perception of like, why this was happening? Um, I, I mean, I, like when that general came and told you that, like, did he really have like an ideological belief? Or was this more like, um, like a mandate from DOD that like, you need to produce more green berets? I, I mean, I don't know what the, what the deal was, but yeah.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  What's being fed at the Pentagon and what we're getting fed is probably two different messages.

• 1:23:38Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  Um, most likely it is the, we're going to violate the rule that says, you know, soft is not going to be mass produced. Um, I think that one kind of, they wanted to put that one out the window. And the other part of it was that, uh, I don't know, who knows, maybe an OER bullet that they, they came with science and I say the OER bullet because somebody for their OER bullet.

• 1:24:09Jack Murphy?

  We should explain to people an officer evaluation report is how military officers are evaluated.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  They're going to get promoted based on how well it's like their, you know, their annual, uh, review. You know, you, you get your annual review and theirs is their officer evaluation is their annual review. What did you do over this last year? Did you increase safety by 22%? Did you, uh, you know, increase the readiness of this organization by 38%? And everything's got to have a quantitative value. Uh, and if so, if you look better than your peers, then you're going to get that next promotion. And those promotions end up into political promotions at a point.

• 1:24:54Jack Murphy?

  Sure.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  Um, you know, after around oh, four, oh, five.

• 1:24:57Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  Now it's all political. But with that, uh, somebody fed them all this science that

• 1:25:06Jack Murphy?

  in air quotes, yeah.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  So the science said that if they make it through the selection phase,

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  then they are going to move forward. But this is the training portion of this. They've already been selected.

• 1:25:20Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  This is the training portion.

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  Now I could say that, you know what? Uh, if they don't want to get rid of them, you know, out of the 18 Delta course, like that's a big problem because the medic piece of that is you're, we're training these dudes to be like amateur team move doctors and surgeons out in the field. Uh, so you really need to have your stuff squared away. But this spread to small unit tactics.

• 1:25:48Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  It's spread into the other committees and it's not just affecting the medics. It's affecting everything. Like these guys get selected, they're now going to get trained. So you go from, you know, selection is, I don't know, you throw the numbers around 30% maybe pass rate. You know, let's just say 30%. You go to the Q course, it's like, that's 50, 50%, 60%.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  They want that like, no, these guys are like 90, 95%. You're going to push these cats through.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  OER mass produced soft. I don't know, pick your poison, but by the time I wasn't a fan of it. Cause you know, I made it, so I got mine. So now I need to be this tab protector.

• 1:26:31Jack Murphy?

  How, uh, yeah, I was going to ask, you know, you became the NCOIC of the Delta course out there. How did you kind of deal with this situation?

• 1:26:41Speaker 02

  So that place is a, well, it's a museum for one. By that, I mean, we got politicians, every two star. Everybody that's gonna have anything, Congress, whatever. These folks are all going to come to the Delta course, right? So it's a dog and pony show. Maybe not every week, but at least three times a month. We're going to have distinguished guests and visitors. So we've got TVs up there playing our, our video on loop. We've got a

• 1:27:18Jack Murphy?

  a band.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  An instructor damn near that stands outside of each section of the classrooms with like a banner hanging up of his section and what he's doing to give his two minute brief as I walk them all down through each and every phase. Um, cause the first six months, five, six months, you're in classrooms and you're knocking out like just physician level, anatomy and physiology, just really getting, uh, into the weeds with diseases. And it is the second half of the course when things get, what students would consider a lot more interesting. That's when you're working with, um, you're working with moulages, you're working with trauma.

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  Um, you're working with mannequins, uh, a lot of it, and then you're working with live tissue. So you're outside doing a lot of work, um, and you know, wearing your kit and doing medicine that way. And, you know, sweating and be it out there 12, 13 hours, just doing all these repetitions over and over and over again. So guys really get a lot out of that. But then, uh, the very last phase, uh, the third phase of trauma three, that was, that was my favorite. That was the, that was my, my baby, if you will. Um, like I said, when I was a student, we really didn't have a final training exercise. It was kind of really watered down. It wasn't, I didn't feel like I got anything out of it.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Hell, I didn't even really wasn't even sure like, are we doing this right now? I was like, are we in the FTX? And all of a sudden it's done like 10 minutes later. So, uh, like, man, this needs to change. So we built a really good FTX, three days, 72 hours straight, no sleep, just go. We had a day crew, a night crew, a cadre, 12 hour shifts and just punishing these guys and still failing them.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  You get to the last thing, the FTX and a guy doesn't do the job. He fails, you know? Well, that one didn't fly. Uh, we got away with about six months, but after a while they're like, no more failing at the FTX. All right. So we built a hundred acre compound, like the contract was in order as I was showing up to be a cadre out there. And so we got the contract to go build this like hundred acre type of, I could build villages, classrooms. Um, I put Blackhawk helicopter frames out there, uh, some tank stuff.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  And there's a river, um, built little warehouses and really a great training area so that guys could do trauma medicine. Uh, we work with paintball guns, so we did have a little bit of kind of, you know, live fire stuff while you're doing medicine. And, you know, we have pneumatic machine guns. We have a lot of smoke, really try to generate a good type of experience where you're doing a lot of care under fire. Um, so it was a month long program out there and followed by that 72 hour FTX. Uh, and it was, it was great. It was super fun. Um, and, and guys just, they loved it because you're really out there just playing army.

• 1:30:34Jack Murphy?

  Doing the job, yeah.

• 1:30:35Speaker 02

  And we had side by sides and guys are out there just screaming around on these things and, and loading casualties in them. And practicing in the back of Humvees while we're driving around and doing medicine. So guys got so much out of this at the end. So I was like, for the instructors, like, man, we need to build you guys like a, a logo, a team shirt. We have a team shirt for this place. So everybody's like, yeah, logo, team shirt. I sit around and I'm building one. I'm not a graphic art kind of guy. I'm, I can't draw a stick figure. And I think I'm using PowerPoint is how I was assembling this thing. And I built this logo. It was a skull because everything's got to have a skull.

• 1:31:18Jack Murphy?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 02

  Come on. We had a Navy, we had SEALs and we had SOIDC, Special Operations Independent Duty Corps. And we had boat guys.

• 1:31:28Jack Murphy?

  Gotcha.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  And so the, the skull has got to have a paddle that runs through it. And then Green Beret, we got to have cross arrows.

• 1:31:38Jack Murphy?

  Yep.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  Okay, we're going to take one of those arrows out and put a trident because we got SEALs. Man, it's all coming together. And then we had a, it's trauma three because they're the ones building this logo. So we'll put a roman numeral three on the skull. And there was 13 active duty instructors that were teaching this course. So everybody gets a star. So there's 13 stars wrapped around this roman numeral three, which I guess mirrored some other type of logo. Um, not intended at the time, but that became like kind of viral at the schoolhouse. Shirts, hoodies, hats, uh, water bottles, all kinds of stuff where team fund was running rampant.

• 1:32:23Speaker 02

  Uh, it was, it was doing fantastic. There was even an online store set up for this.

• 1:32:30Jack Murphy?

  And then it became a little controversial.

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  Did become a little controversial. Uh, so then we'll fast forward, I don't know, seven, eight years, uh, January 6th, um, happened. Apparently a similar logo.

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  I don't think it was exactly this one, but I don't know, was seen in that area.

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  Ended up turning into a safety stand down for that schoolhouse and it ended up on the internet and websites, special operations school uses extremist logo and they had it so wrong. They had it incredibly wrong. But nonetheless, there we go. That logo became famous.

• 1:33:20Jack Murphy?

  But it was SWIC that shut you guys down?

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:24Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Did it have to be redesigned or what happened with that?

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  It just got, it got, you can't use it at all. It was, it's gone.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Or is it? Cause it's still out there.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, they fought back, actually. The guys at the schoolhouse fought back and they, they've kind of kept it in a lot of areas off that grid, but it still thrives.

• 1:33:53Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, they're wearing it on their t-shirts underneath their

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:33:58Jack Murphy?

  ACUs or whatever the hell they have now.

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  The fun thing about it is my son used to wear that, you know, as a kid growing up, he had the water bottle, you know, a hat. He didn't really know much about what it was. You know, it's like kind of the cool logo for the special operations combat medic school. So he grows up and goes to be an army ranger and goes to that school.

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  And yeah, I got to show up during the FTX and run that lane. That was probably one of my more proudest moments that I had was being able to, cause you know, you go through something, you know, like that school, anything, right?

• 1:34:43Jack Murphy?

  You have a little bit of home field advantage here too, having built the course.

• 1:34:47Speaker 02

  I think a lot of people gave him shit going through that course. He passed everything on his own. I had no influence on, not that I could, I mean, that's, you're either doing it or you're not and everybody's there witnessing. So, you know, I couldn't persuade anybody on anything if I wanted to, but you know, you go through any kind of, you know, the, the 18 Delta course, going through the Q course, you know, Navy SEALs going through BUDs, whatever, those things are, that's a significant time. That's a significant event. To be able to have your son, you know, go through that same thing, walking down those

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  same halls and doing everything that you got to do, you know, that is, that's cool.

• 1:35:37Jack Murphy?

  And after your SWIC time, you went on to be a team sergeant?

• 1:35:42Speaker 02

  So I went back to, I went back to group and immediately deployed again.

• 1:35:49Jack Murphy?

  Where to?

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  We went back to, that time I went to Ghosta, which was also in Lebanon.

• 1:35:58Jack Murphy?

  Oh, no kidding. Okay.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I lived there for a year and a half.

• 1:36:02Jack Murphy?

  No shit.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Off and on, just.

• 1:36:05Jack Murphy?

  So your team was really going back and forth to Lebanon?

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  I could love that in Syria.

• 1:36:10Jack Murphy?

  Oh, you did Syria too. What was your impression of Syria?

• 1:36:15Speaker 02

  That's a shithole.

• 1:36:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was a short stint of just training some dudes that, that was kind of,

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  it was anticlimactic.

• 1:36:33Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, you guys weren't like on the front lines fighting.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  No, we really didn't get to do anything cool, you know, what we consider cool. What we consider cool is what, you know, when you're, you know, call of duty, you know, like when we're living that, that's cool, right? And when you're just out there doing day-to-day JSAT stuff essentially.

• 1:36:55Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, right, right.

• 1:36:56Speaker 02

  That's not cool.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  So yeah, went and did, did some more training out there in, in Ghosta.

• 1:37:06Speaker 02

  And yeah, I did another five or six months out there. And then I was offered, hey, you want to be a team sergeant in Syria on another rotation? Now I'm at 22 years at this point.

• 1:37:21Speaker 02

  Like the war at this point is 2019.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  It's all done.

• 1:37:27Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  Starting to feel it, you know, had a couple of hard landings.

• 1:37:36Speaker 02

  Ate a charge. Had

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  had some other

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  underlying factors of some explosions that I won't really get into that. I got some, some hardware and, and the leg for, but

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  the, my body was just not really cooperating, you know, cause at this point I'm in my early 40s and yeah, guys on there are just still studs.

• 1:38:10Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  And I can hold my own, but I'm like, I think it's about that time.

• 1:38:16Speaker 02

  Because I thought that I was mentally ready.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I wasn't. And

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  all those years, like eventually just all hit me at once.

• 1:38:36Speaker 02

  And during the transition, that was the, that was a challenging time.

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  But it was one like, oh, I'm already committed to, to my ex-fil, so.

• 1:38:52Jack Murphy?

  What was your plan when you got out?

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:59Jack Murphy?

  There wasn't one.

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  Everybody says have a plan and

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  I, you know, the plan, the plan for a lot of guys that don't have a plan is go contract.

• 1:39:13Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  Cause well, that's still there. They're still paying good money.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  So yeah, it turns out that that also started to dry up and all that money started to kind of not be the big money that it was. And it became like, well, I don't think it's worth it to, to go over there anymore and, and do this for what you guys are offering. So it's time to change that plan.

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  I rode motorcycles a lot.

• 1:39:50Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, you were telling me that kind of like to keep that kind of adrenaline level.

• 1:39:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:55Jack Murphy?

  And it was starting to get a little out of control.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was riding with one of those, a club that.

• 1:40:05Jack Murphy?

  The FBI would be interested in?

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  They would be.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  They would be.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, in Tennessee, the Outlaws have that area and I was very tight with one of the members

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  that was, he was an enforcer in the region for them and that's where I started finding some adrenaline, feeling like I'd had something to do. Like I had a, a team again.

• 1:40:49Jack Murphy?

  Isn't it, wasn't the Hells Angels started by World War II veterans mostly?

• 1:40:54Speaker 02

  Fun fact.

• 1:40:55Jack Murphy?

  Interesting like connection there, isn't there?

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  So the, the Hells Angels, the Outlaws, Pegas, there's a bunch of those, four or five big ones, but they're a 1%er club. So after World War II, a bunch of dudes, cause you know that Allies sent a lot of Harley Davidsons over and so guys were riding those and oh, that was something that you got around on. Well, they also got good at fixing them, right? So then when the war was over with, there is a surplus of these motorcycles. You can get them relatively cheap. Everybody knows how to work on them, you know, throw

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  a gallon of gas in there and off you go. So a lot of guys got into that, you know, culture is just a way of riding their motorcycles around and then, well, you ride with your buddies. Well,

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  a bunch of guys were doing this together and you have in California, Hollister, California, the American Motorcycle Association would do this annual event.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  And all these people come from all over, you know, ride their motorcycles. It was a week-long deal. There might be some drag races and stuff like that.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Well then, you know, if me and you were riding together, you know, whatever, we're going to show up, we're going to wear the same like jacket, you know?

• 1:42:24Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Same color looking.

• 1:42:25Jack Murphy?

  We're going to have a uniform.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  We gotta look the same. Everybody same, same. Well, there was a bomber squadron called the Hells Angels.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  So they adopted their bomber squadron name and then used that. Now, they might not have followed all the rules that the American Motorcycle Association had in store for their week-long celebration for their bike week or whatever in Hollister.

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  Some people didn't care. They're like, fuck your rules, whatever. 99% of bikers are, you know, good dudes, follow the rules, whatever. There's 1% that don't care and we're that 1%. So they adopted that. They wear that as a diamond patch on their cut and

• 1:43:21Speaker 02

  they take this very seriously.

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  Now that you've got veterans motorcycle clubs, like motorcycle clubs that veterans belong to, that when it says MC Motorcycle Club, like they've prospected to get that, which means that they've been doing a lot of work

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  for, could be four or five months, could be over a year, to be able to earn the privilege to wear that entire three-piece patch. And

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  those clubs that they belong to.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  Say most, I don't want to lump everything in and speaking in absolutes, but are going to belong to an area, I guess, real estate and that a real estate isn't owned by that one percenter club. And that comes with responsibilities. Each organization has got different responsibilities to what that might be, but yeah. But it gives this, like I was saying earlier, gives guys an opportunity to get into things that they shouldn't get into. Whether that's more alcohol, drugs, or being involved in some type of, you know,

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  organized crime, whatever that might look like, and it happens.

• 1:44:47Jack Murphy?

  You mentioned earlier that, you know, it's a subculture and it is kind of interesting. I mean, special forces in of itself is sort of a subculture in the military, but then there's this parallel subculture where now that you're a different uniform and there's a different selection process and you belong to this other thing.

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  It gets better. You got special forces guys. We already said that, you know, we're kind of our own brotherhood, you know, SF guys, you know, they they're belonging to one club and you got another SF guy belonging to this club.

• 1:45:24Jack Murphy?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:45:25Speaker 02

  And now there's this, this riff, fistfight riff, even worse.

• 1:45:32Jack Murphy?

  Does that carry?

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Seeing SF guys wearing, oh, that's, they got a different color jacket. Jump dudes, SF dudes, because they're wearing that color jacket. It's like, oh, you're a third group? I'm seventh group. I'm, you know, we're going to fight. For what? And

• 1:45:59Jack Murphy?

  Does they do that? Does that stuff, that riff kind of carry into the workplace sometimes?

• 1:46:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does. Some of the committees that the qualification course has are good examples of this. I'm not going to dime any of these out at all.

• 1:46:20Jack Murphy?

  I, I, I mean, in a few cases, I know exactly what you're talking.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  There's a couple of committees where like, yeah, we work together and but you're wearing that color and I'm wearing this color. And that's a problem. And it bleeds over. Certainly bleeds over.

• 1:46:42Jack Murphy?

  Oh, man, that's wild.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  Isn't it?

• 1:46:44Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it's sub-subculture.

• 1:46:47Speaker 02

  I don't know, it's beyond me and I was involved in it for quite a while.

• 1:46:52Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, if you're willing to talk about, I mean, how deep did you go?

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Uh, so I, I was in a, a traditional MC. Um, by that, I mean, we followed all the protocols for a motorcycle club. We held what's called church, it's meetings, um, like it's gonna be like a skiff, phones outside, we're going to talk about some, some things. Uh, it's very organized, uh, just like any MC, there's a structure, you've got officer rankings, president, vice president type of thing. You pay dues. You have a clubhouse. Uh, and that clubhouse is, you know, going to have a bar, living room,

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  areas for guys to sleep in, so, uh, it's pretty cool. It's welcoming, welcoming, it's inviting to guys that have left the team life and it's like, all right, now what?

• 1:47:55Jack Murphy?

  It's a new team house.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  There's a whole new team house. And whether that's just for our club, it's like that for all clubs. It's, it's a team house, whether you've been a civilian or whatever, and you get involved in one of these things. That is what, that, that does provide that for you. And guys need that. Uh, guys like that and they're motorcycle enthusiasts, so it gives them something to, to go. They ride motorcycles, they plan poker runs, fundraisers, uh, different events to keep going. And that's how it all started. And then I started getting a little bit deeper into it and I started going, uh, because you meet with other clubs

• 1:48:41Speaker 02

  at events.

• 1:48:42Jack Murphy?

  Parlays.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  One club might have a hosting an event at their, at their house. All the other clubs in the area will go there. And support this club. Now, you've got dudes, whether they're Ranger regiment's got a club. You know, uh, SF's got a club. Just army veterans, military veterans in general have a club. Civilians are all mixed into, to some of these. Civilians in general have some of their clubs and then these one percenter clubs and you get them all in one area, just like anything, guys start talking.

• 1:49:29Speaker 02

  Now you have to do this sometimes weekly. So you're doing this every week on bike night. Where you're going to, and like a, a local bar, like the one percenter club's going to say, hey, this week's bike week, bike night is going to be at this specific bar. And if you fly your colors in this area, you're going to be there. Okay, so I got some other random grown man telling us where to be and

• 1:50:01Jack Murphy?

  You're prospecting at this point.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  Oh, even when you're a club.

• 1:50:05Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  If that one percenter club says, hey, your club is

• 1:50:07Jack Murphy?

  If they tell you to come be the doorman all night, like you have to do it.

• 1:50:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:11Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. They, they don't tell you to do it, you just do it. It's just kind of like being like the new guy on a team, like day one, it's just things that you do. So then I started with the, a one percenter club in Tennessee and I was, I got in pretty deep with those guys. I was at the clubhouse a lot. Till the sun came up. A lot. Yeah, it ended up on a bike night and so there was this one percenter club that was a different one percenter club that was moving into that, this area.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  Turf war. Can't have that. So riding motorcycles at a hundred miles an hour, because that's how you ride them when you're in this club. Up and down the streets, looking for these guys, going to these different bars, looking for these dudes that are encroaching on your territory. Then one specific bike night, I had to, let's just say I had to go out of town for something else. So I wasn't, I wasn't with them on bike night, I was doing something else. And

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  the dude that I spent all that time with, I lived at that clubhouse for so many times, he stayed at my house so many times. He gets involved in a double homicide.

• 1:51:57Jack Murphy?

  On the rival MC.

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  Rival MC. Because that's what you have to do.

• 1:52:04Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  That's what's ingrained as you're wearing that diamond, like that's, that's what you do. And now he ends up riding off, gets picked up. And this might have happened at eight o'clock at night ish. Mayor was inside eating dinner. The mayor of Clarksville. This happened in Clarksville, Tennessee.

• 1:52:34Jack Murphy?

  Holy shit.

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  He was inside that restaurant that it happened at, eating dinner. Not that that really made much more of a difference.

• 1:52:42Jack Murphy?

  Didn't help.

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  Did not help. We're not keeping that one quiet, not sweeping anything under that rug. I get a call. At I don't know. Eleven, twelve, one o'clock in the morning.

• 1:52:59Jack Murphy?

  Was this the, was this the steakhouse over by the mall?

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:53:02Jack Murphy?

  Okay. Yeah, I know that one.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  So I get a call late at night and it was a detective.

• 1:53:15Speaker 02

  The arresting team. So they didn't take this dude to the jail, like the Cumberland County jail. There was some weird

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  unmarked warehouse style holding place. That was

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  nowhere near the jail, like the other side of town.

• 1:53:37Jack Murphy?

  That's weird.

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  Super weird. And I get a call and they're like, hey, man, can you come and pick, pick up your boy? And I was like, I'm, I'm not a, I'm not wearing that color. Like that's not, so how would you guys associate me with that? So now I'm like, fuck, that's not a good situation.

• 1:53:55Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, man, I'm gonna come down and get him. So I go down and get him. He's in a Tyvek suit. So I'm like, this is getting even weirder.

• 1:54:04Jack Murphy?

  Hannibal Lecter.

• 1:54:05Speaker 02

  I don't know what's happening at this point. Detective was like, take care. This is interesting.

• 1:54:13Speaker 02

  Take him to his, his clubhouse. Like, hey dude, you're gonna need to go get a burner phone. And, you know, go chill out somewhere. So dude goes and he, I was like, man, you need to be in and out of this house. I think I told him seven minutes. I don't know why I just picked seven minutes like randomly. I was like, dude, you got like seven minutes to get your shit out of the house, man. Get out of here and then you're gonna go to this spot, get a burner phone. You're gonna go over to this area for the safe house. He's like, all right, cool. And then it's like, and I'm gonna meet you there. Take a different route. So he did that. About 20 minutes later, that house got raided and everybody that was in there is face down.

• 1:54:54Speaker 02

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• 1:57:03Speaker 02

  And it actually worked.

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  Whatever. They, they'd already let him go, so it didn't matter. But anyway, so off we go. He's in a, he's hanging out at some chick's house and then

• 1:57:16Speaker 02

  he calls me up a few days later. He's like, hey, man, I think, I don't know, I think I might need to go back in. And you tell me what you want to do, man. So I'll, whatever. If you need help.

• 1:57:28Speaker 02

  Deputy or sheriff, detective, whoever calls me like the next day after that, it was like, hey, I need you to bring your boy in. Okay, cool. So.

• 1:57:39Jack Murphy?

  I can't believe they just let him walk out after a double homicide.

• 1:57:42Speaker 02

  Let him walk out. Now, took him back in. He just did, how's it been? Six years?

• 1:57:51Jack Murphy?

  Oh, he just got out.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  He just got out. Yeah.

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  The dudes drew down on him first.

• 1:58:03Jack Murphy?

  Okay, so there's an argument of self-defense.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  We had talked about how some former military guys go as far as, you know, one percenter clubs. That was a former military guy that had gone.

• 1:58:17Speaker 02

  Matter of fact,

• 1:58:19Speaker 02

  a seventh group guy was, turns out to be the president of Los Angeles, uh, in Fayetteville.

• 1:58:25Speaker 02

  He died a few years ago. Turns out when that funeral happened, oh, you gotta know, cause it happened in Fayetteville. Every agency, the entire alphabet was out there. I mean, the Greek alphabet was out there. Everybody taking pictures of every dude.

• 1:58:44Jack Murphy?

  It's like a mafia funeral.

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  That showed up. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

• 1:58:48Jack Murphy?

  That's crazy. So what happened with your

• 1:58:53Jack Murphy?

  motorcycle buddy after you brought him back in to the sketchy warehouse?

• 1:58:57Speaker 02

  So I'm doing videos. I had asked him, I was like, hey, look, you know, can we have no press? Cause I'm involved in this thing now, right? I was like, I don't want any press being there. Can you guys at least try to? And they're like, yeah, no problem. We have a 30, 40 minute conversation with the dude standing outside my truck. As I'm dropping him off, he was complimenting on how good we made the double doors at the clubhouse. Cause I, we, we got doors from the post office, like these giant steel doors. And had a great security system on this thing. Had cameras all over and the bartender had all of his, cause bartender's gonna be a prospect.

• 1:59:39Speaker 02

  You've got all the cameras up there to look at. So you can see 360 around the house. And there'll be two or three guys just watching cameras at all times. And the, whether it's ATF, whatever, they were like, dude, you guys did a really good job putting up those. There's a bitch getting in that house, man. So.

• 2:00:02Speaker 02

  I wasn't an engineer at Charlie, but yeah, we did good.

• 2:00:07Speaker 02

  So. And they were, yeah, I don't wanna mention some of the things that were, they were involved in, uh, on this show, but they were involved in some things that

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  I knew like, all right, this is

• 2:00:23Jack Murphy?

  illicit activities.

• 2:00:24Speaker 02

  This is not.

• 2:00:28Speaker 02

  I didn't learn like, you know, my lesson quickly.

• 2:00:33Speaker 02

  But I eventually learned my lesson and I was like, this is not, not working out. And at this time now I had transitioned, I'm out of the military and I'm a civilian. I was like, I need to, I need to exfil.

• 2:00:47Speaker 02

  So I go back to Bragg, cause I had a house out there still. And

• 2:00:54Speaker 02

  I'm still riding with my club out there. Who lives right down the street from the Los Angeles clubhouse. And I just did not see, I was like, I'm, I'm gonna end up in the same situations.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  So I decided to, I was gonna get out of that culture altogether and move to Florida.

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  Where

• 2:01:22Speaker 02

  I actually hung up the helmet completely and got away from the motorcycles altogether. I sold them all.

• 2:01:31Jack Murphy?

  But still kind of chasing that high, right?

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:01:35Jack Murphy?

  Uh, like you made that trip over to Ukraine when that popped off?

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. What was I thinking?

• 2:01:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know. I, it, it was allegedly, I was telling myself, you know, it was the money.

• 2:01:56Speaker 02

  But hindsight, it wasn't even that much money. So.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  I was wanting to do it to feel relevant. I think that's the best way to describe it.

• 2:02:08Jack Murphy?

  To use your skills and your training.

• 2:02:10Speaker 02

  I wanted to feel relevant and it was an ego thing, I think also. And like, I've got the opportunity to do this and let's see how far I can push it.

• 2:02:25Speaker 02

  That's a whole different situation when nobody's coming.

• 2:02:32Jack Murphy?

  There's no QRF.

• 2:02:34Speaker 02

  Nobody is coming. I don't speak that language. It's me and I've got a terp.

• 2:02:44Speaker 02

  And I've got a Hilux that I rented. This right after like 20 miles across the border. That's not even supposed to be that far east. Cause I had to sneak in Robin Sage style from Poland.

• 2:02:59Speaker 02

  That was crazy. I ended up, so there's this long line, about five miles to get into the border.

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  So we land in Poland. And then we go close to the border, like an hour outside of the border to Ukraine. And we've got this aug, like, we've got this like augmentee that's gonna help us get across the border, right? We got

• 2:03:28Speaker 02

  some random dude. That was a very odd situation because he was supposed to be at this link up point at, let's say 2:00 PM.

• 2:03:40Speaker 02

  So we're out there at like 1:00 PM. Like on Overwatch, cause I wanna see when this guy comes in, is he being followed? Is it just him? What is the situation really like?

• 2:03:57Speaker 02

  At like 2:30.

• 2:04:01Speaker 02

  Nothing, nothing. I was like, what? 3 o'clock, 3:30 rolls around, almost a couple hours had passed. Calling this guy. He finally answers. He's like, oh yeah, I'll send the, the driver will be there in 5 minutes. There was a van. It was been sitting there since before we got there. Some dude comes over, gets in the van. I was like, alright, this is already not, not looking good.

• 2:04:25Speaker 02

  Well, now he wants to bring this. Lady with her car.

• 2:04:31Speaker 02

  And then we're gonna. They're gonna take us to the front of the line. I was like, none of this is adding up, man.

• 2:04:36Jack Murphy?

  Sounds legit.

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  This is super not sketchy.

• 2:04:42Speaker 02

  We're gonna do it, right? We're in. And we, we do. So the border is backed up 5 miles or so. Uh, it might take 3 days to get into there. Um. We just. Going up to the front of the line. This lady had a stolen car.

• 2:05:04Speaker 02

  Now I'm gonna be in like this international crime syndicate with stolen cars, trying to get smuggled into Ukraine. And like, nothing's coming in. I got some med stuff, cause like I'm coming over and I'm bringing medicine. I'm bringing like all my trauma gear and everything. Found a dude like 10, 12 vehicles back in a Sprinter van, a Mercedes Sprinter. Like nice and newer one.

• 2:05:33Speaker 02

  I went up to him and I was like, hey man. I need you to get me across this border. I don't think he spoke English. I don't think he. Like he, but he understood what I meant. He just kinda looked around, opened up the van. No, there's another red flag, right? That I've created and I was like, yep, we're going in. Jump in the back of some random stranger's Sprinter van. No, it's one of these vans that. It's like, it's a free candy van. There's no windows.

• 2:06:04Jack Murphy?

  The pedophile van.

• 2:06:05Speaker 02

  It's the seer van.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  And I put myself into this seer van to break across the border to go to a war. And. Uh, and I felt wildly uncomfortable with it. I was like, man, this is actually, I feel good about this. Uh.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  We get across the border. Jack, we get across the border. 2, 3 miles, 3 miles tops. This thing breaks down. Now, we're riding in the back. It's me and 2 guys that I went with now, cause when we get to where we're going, we're gonna split up and go our separate ways. So it's me and 2 other guys. We're in the back of this thing, can't see anything. Have no idea. You know, what's, but we weren't back there long, cause as soon as we got across that border, a few miles into it, the van breaks down. So here we go, we pop out like, what's the situation, man? Another dude just comes rolling up. They strap a little tow strap on this thing and now we're just getting towed down the road.

• 2:07:13Speaker 02

  By some, I don't know, 1985 Nissan pickup truck that's on its last leg. Towing us, where the dude's gotta like ride the brakes so you don't hit the towing vehicle in front of you. So we go, I don't know, 8, 9, 10 miles down the road. Getting smuggled in this thing. Finally, like we hop out. And uh. At the, cause it was a rental car place, but. I don't know, 15 miles or so on the other side of the border. And we go rent 3 vehicles, 3 Hiluxes. And we each like, man, high five. And we go link up with an interpreter. Each of us and we go off into the wild. Now. Ukraine is. It's huge, so.

• 2:07:58Speaker 02

  Uh, it's not as big as the US, but it's big as several states. So it's several hours, like. Couple days even to drive. From the. From the west to the east. And. Actually, our west is like really nice. Uh, the landscaping, the greenery, rolling hills, beautiful. Restaurants. The activity was all normal. There became a phase line. And when you cross that phase line, it was. Like, it went from one to the other immediately. And it was like communist Russia looking. Definitely the vehicles, the people, what they were wearing.

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  And then it got into the most war torn looking areas in Kharkiv and. So that's where we started operating out of. So me and my TIRP, we linked up with some just random indigenous force, uh, Ukrainian. Army dudes, like, hey. We're here, man. You guys want some training? And they're like, yeah. And pretty much that's kinda how it went. Shake some hands and uh, started teaching medicine to these dudes. And. They're like, we're going out on mission. And I was like, awesome, let me hear the mission brief. I'm gonna go with you. Cause I got this GoPro. We're about to start a new Blackwater.

• 2:09:23Speaker 02

  Alright, so the mission goes like this. It's like 6 dudes and then me, I'm gonna go with them. And they're gonna go take on an entire Russian infantry unit, complete with 2 tanks. They've got, uh. I don't know, all the weapons. And. Like 40 dudes and there's the 6 of us and me. I was like. No, we're not doing that.

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  It, it was an issue. We kinda got into like a thing. I'm just a new guy showing up there. And I wasn't doing it to be a dick. I was like, now that's suicide.

• 2:10:02Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  Man, like you guys are going to die. And I was like, I'm not gonna go on that one with you. And I strongly advise you not to go because you're not gonna come back from that. I'm just being, being honest with you. And so a few of the guys were like, yeah, this guy's saying that, man, and you know, his resume and. We, we're gonna stick with this guy. And a couple of dudes were kinda angry about it. And then they wanted to go talk to the Colonel about it. The Colonel comes down, I was like, no, we need to go. Dude, do you, do you understand this mission planning situation?

• 2:10:34Speaker 02

  They don't. And they're also kind of in a desperate situation. Uh, and. Which I completely appreciate. Uh, but I, I am not in a desperate situation. So, uh.

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  I did my best to keep them from going and they didn't go. Um.

• 2:10:56Speaker 02

  Now there were some other ones that. Uh, we did go. And. I've sat in a ditch. With tank rounds. Smacking, getting dirt blown. Uh. On me and then. I remember I was going out to this one unit.

• 2:11:16Speaker 02

  It was like 8 dudes on this outpost. We had gotten, they were like, hey man, these dudes out there like really need help and you know, they're taking casualties. I was like, okay, cool. I'm gonna go out there and, and help with these guys. So me and my TIRP, we go out. We got like a grid coordinate dropped to us and we go out there and it's a school. Now, in a village. Completely desolate. Nobody's there at all. The school has been shelled a dozen times. All the houses got some kind of mortar rounds in them. And then there's this little outpost and then there's this. Uh.

• 2:12:00Speaker 02

  An area kinda like a basement, you know, you could go under a bunker. And so I'm like, alright, so you park, I parked under some trees next to the school. Because. Up until now. I've been fighting the Iraq, Afghanistan and. We were accustomed to a certain style of fighting. And that's kinda ingrained in us. Drone warfare wasn't part of that.

• 2:12:26Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 2:12:26Speaker 02

  And it is now. So we're gonna add this to the menu. And. So now it's a lot more variables in a country I've got zero familiarity with, with a language that I don't know. With now new fighting techniques that I'm not accustomed to. Um. And I don't have any team. And if anything happens, I don't have a support. I don't have a UH60 coming in. I don't have a QRF. I don't have. Anything. Uh.

• 2:12:55Speaker 02

  So I'm like, wow, this is uh.

• 2:12:58Speaker 02

  Bold and maybe not smart. We're gonna do it, right? So I'm parking under trees, cause I'm like, man, I gotta outsmart the drones. Cause drones can't see your truck under a tree. Uh. So then I cover the truck up with branches.

• 2:13:19Jack Murphy?

  Hell yeah.

• 2:13:20Speaker 02

  Dude, we were getting in it and.

• 2:13:24Speaker 02

  So.

• 2:13:26Speaker 02

  I'm out there and I'm trying to set up all my stuff to make me a little clinic. Cause. We're going out on hits.

• 2:13:35Speaker 02

  So I'm. Setting me up in air, I was like, I know we're gonna take injuries, some casualties, so I wanna be prepared.

• 2:13:44Speaker 02

  Well, the casualties is about to be me. So I'm going out to the truck.

• 2:13:50Speaker 02

  And that's when the drone, the drone saw me, cause I'm out and it's kind of a field. And to get to the truck was about 50 meters or so. And that 50 meters was enough for that drone. I couldn't hear the drone or see the drone. But it had to have been up there, cause I heard a tank round. You ever heard a tank round?

• 2:14:11Jack Murphy?

  Not at close range like that.

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  It was like a, maybe a click, 2 clicks, which is close range for a tank, right? Um, and I'd never. I'd never heard it on the receiving side. Until that day. And, oh, that's a very. You, it's a, that sound, you'll know it. If you ever get shot by a tank, you will know what that sound is without ever having the preparatory command of that. Uh. And I was like. I don't know what to do. I just hit the ground and to get as flat as possible. And from me to that microwave you got there about 6 meters away was a little, little outpost that I just mentioned. It got leveled.

• 2:14:56Speaker 02

  And I was like, son of a. So I get up and I sprint the, you know, short 10 meters or whatever to get back into the bunker. And I went down there and they just started drilling it. And I got it on GoPro.

• 2:15:14Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, that sucked, man.

• 2:15:16Jack Murphy?

  So this was like right on the front lines, obviously.

• 2:15:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:15:19Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:19Speaker 02

  It was right on the border. Um.

• 2:15:24Speaker 02

  Then I got caught up by uh Good Morning America.

• 2:15:29Jack Murphy?

  Oh, no shit.

• 2:15:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, ABC World News Tonight because, or I said there was three of us.

• 2:15:33Jack Murphy?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  One dude stayed in the back and he's coordinating because, oh, we've got to gotta get some viewership on this, but we're gonna start a militia, right? We're getting funded by, I still couldn't tell you who exactly it was. Uh, none of the three of us that were out there doing it, and I could tell you that. Um, so they caught up with some, some news organizations and some, some journalists and ABC World News, ABC World, uh, Good Morning America, ABC World News, and, you know, they wanted, so I went back, linked up with those guys and got to go do some footage for them.

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  Um, and then all of this was not blurred or anything, so I don't know if I became one of the most wanted out there.

• 2:16:27Jack Murphy?

  Dec of fifty-two.

• 2:16:29Speaker 02

  So, uh, it was just, the, the irony is everywhere that I lived was leveled, not while I was there. I escaped that place, I escaped death.

• 2:16:43Speaker 02

  I'd say more times in a few months that I was in Ukraine than I did in all the other deployments almost combined. Um, not, I mean, there was definitely situations and, but this one was just, just hit after hit.

• 2:16:58Jack Murphy?

  Um, yeah, and the enemy has drones and ballistic missiles and.

• 2:17:03Speaker 02

  And I've got like no friends out there at all. Um, but it was.

• 2:17:11Jack Murphy?

  What, uh, ended up making you decide to leave?

• 2:17:14Speaker 02

  Um, when I went, so I, I kind of, I fell back to like almost as far as I could to be in like a safe zone. Um, and the hotels were great, they were like fifteen dollars a night. So I was staying, and these are like decent hotels. Uh,

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  and then just being in there, like, you almost want to feel, okay, cool, I'm, I'm safe, I can kind of relax. Nope. Nope, rockets are coming in and they're hitting a block away and it's just like, man, I'm gonna be laying here and sleeping and I'm gonna get hit by a rocket. And I've gotten you all the footage, I sent everything that I could to, you know, doing this and like, you know, unless you're gonna up the ante of that funding that while, while I'm here, like, we're done. Uh, I got you everything that you need, I think, to get started.

• 2:18:21Speaker 02

  Uh, so, yeah, a few months and I was like, I'm, I'm done, like this chief of train down in Ukraine. Uh, it's time to bounce and did, jumped on a train and went back to Poland. And then now guys are starting to show up and there's more like, uh, you know, retired guys and then organizations are starting to happen and I was like, good luck, fellas. I'm going to the house and, uh, not coming back.

• 2:18:55Jack Murphy?

  And, uh, so when you did get back to the United States, you started doing executive protection work, you started teaching, uh, medic classes essentially, the fire departments. And, uh, I want to get into this whole other, you know, part of your story that outwardly, you were doing really well at this point, right? You know, getting jobs, making money, everything's going good, but internally you were having problems still.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you know, like, we discussed being, you know, you get out and want to be a contractor because there's all this money, because if you're in the military, you don't make money. And everybody wants to make money, but we don't do that job for the money. So

• 2:19:38Speaker 02

  it was, I was able to find very lucrative careers, uh, or training opportunities within my career field, uh, which was teaching medicine. And you can, you can certainly, uh, do very well for yourself being, being, you know, going out and teaching medicine on government contract levels, um, very well. And

• 2:20:06Speaker 02

  so I was doing that, um, because I was like, oh, I want to stay kind of involved in medicine and, and again, start to stay relevant and, oh, it's an opportunity to make some good coin. Uh, all that was happening, but it wasn't happening for me in here.

• 2:20:26Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:27Speaker 02

  Um, so then I was offered, hey, do you do security? I was like, why not? Uh,

• 2:20:35Speaker 02

  you know, what kind of money are you talking about? Same money working down in South Florida is that they were gonna, were paying me over in Ukraine, which like contractor money and I was like, man, this it was some specific types of clients. So then I got to work with a lot of ultra high net worth, um, clients, uh, some famous and some infamous clients, clients that have laundered billions of dollars through countries that we are currently in conflict with. Uh, that's a whole nother situation, uh, with, with that recently came out two weeks ago in the news and

• 2:21:19Speaker 02

  how that, uh, you know what, let's not get into that one.

• 2:21:23Speaker 02

  Um, but yeah, so executive protection, I got to work with a lot of really good, uh, a lot of fun clients. Got to see some, some things that I might not ordinarily get to see and I got, certainly got to see a lot of people that I would not ordinarily get to meet. Um,

• 2:21:42Speaker 02

  but that was kind of boring. Um, I think really the biggest thing was the void that I felt and it needed to be filled.

• 2:21:55Speaker 02

  I wasn't involved in any kind of motorcycle stuff, you know, no team stuff, no shootouts anymore. Um, Ukraine was kind of a bust, so you know, there's still alcohol, that's still a good one. You know, tequila, that'll never let you down. Yeah, unfortunately it does every single time. Uh, it took a few thousand times of trial and error

• 2:22:23Speaker 02

  to learn that it's never gonna work out.

• 2:22:28Speaker 02

  And

• 2:22:31Speaker 02

  the, the motorcycle world, uh, also led me to some substance abuse. And that doesn't work out.

• 2:22:45Speaker 02

  No matter how how empty you're feeling, that is not gonna be what fills the void.

• 2:22:52Speaker 02

  Uh,

• 2:22:54Speaker 02

  as an atheist, uh, church was out of the question. So I

• 2:23:01Speaker 02

  I don't know, I just needed something. Um, I hated myself. All these things that I'd, you know, think that I'd done, you know, uh, there was a lot that I did that I haven't mentioned that made me hate myself. And but I didn't really understand that that's what it was. Um, I was angry

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  at what? I don't know, anything, this, that, doesn't matter. That's gonna just piss me off.

• 2:23:41Speaker 02

  Anxiety.

• 2:23:44Speaker 02

  Kind of depressed states. For what?

• 2:23:49Speaker 02

  And not to sound like a complete, but I will sound like a total asshole, but, I mean, I was driving a new Lamborghini and.

• 2:23:59Jack Murphy?

  It wasn't making you happy.

• 2:24:00Speaker 02

  It wasn't making me happy. I was like, man, I still feel dead inside. Um,

• 2:24:07Speaker 02

  I was like, I don't even know what to do about all this. Like, why am I so angry? Why am I pissed off with the world? What is wrong? Why am I drinking myself into an oblivion? Not like every day, not even every week, but

• 2:24:21Speaker 02

  hell, who knows? If I have two drinks, I'm probably gonna have twelve and if I have twelve, who knows who you're gonna meet? Because it's not this guy right here, you're gonna meet somebody else, probably not gonna like him and I'm damn sure not gonna like him the next day. Uh, so I needed to figure out how to get over that. Um,

• 2:24:38Jack Murphy?

  What was kind of the turning point?

• 2:24:44Speaker 02

  Definitely

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  the bottom of a bottle of Casamigos.

• 2:24:56Speaker 02

  It was the, the next day when it's one of those, you wake up and you're like,

• 2:25:05Speaker 02

  wh- where am I? Okay, I'm in my house. Good.

• 2:25:10Speaker 02

  Holy shit, what happened? What did I do?

• 2:25:15Speaker 02

  How did I get home? Oh, man, one of those?

• 2:25:22Speaker 02

  I probably made some, you know, comments and stuff the night before, but not the detrimental. And I'd had an Uber take me home, but the point was that I'd had too many of those nights.

• 2:25:35Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:36Speaker 02

  And every time I have one of those, I'm like, man, I'm done. I'm, I can't drink anymore. Uh, it's just, I can't do this. Whether it's that or going on a, you know, a cocaine bender, just, I can't do that again. Until the next time.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  Then you're like, all right, all right, that, I can't do that again. How many times does that need to happen?

• 2:26:05Jack Murphy?

  I mean, I, as we both know, it kills a lot of people.

• 2:26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:14Speaker 02

  It damn near killed me.

• 2:26:19Speaker 02

  You know, I say, you know, Ukraine, Afghanistan during the, during their peak times were some of the most dangerous places in the world.

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  And

• 2:26:33Speaker 02

  I would, I walked along the edge during a lot of those times. I stayed on that edge a lot longer just in my regular life with drugs and alcohol.

• 2:26:47Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:48Speaker 02

  I should have died more during the activities that I was doing in that state versus being

• 2:26:55Jack Murphy?

  At war.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  At war.

• 2:26:56Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:58Speaker 02

  So what was it a deciding factor? Just one day I said, I had, today has got to be the last day.

• 2:27:06Speaker 02

  And

• 2:27:09Speaker 02

  the next part was like, okay, how do I do that?

• 2:27:13Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  And it's from podcasts.

• 2:27:19Jack Murphy?

  Oh, really?

• 2:27:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, podcasts have given a platform to, to talk about things that you don't get to hear all the time, right? Twenty years ago, you're not, you know, you're not hearing this conversation.

• 2:27:34Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:34Speaker 02

  So 20 years ago, I'm not hearing Joe Rogan, Sean Ryan, a lot of these guys that have these guests on and they get to talk about all kinds of great stuff.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  Specifically psychedelic medicine.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  So I've done my share of, of party drugs. I've had a good time. Psychedelics, that's not something I'm not doing that.

• 2:27:57Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. If anything, you're like, kind of predisposed against it at this point, I would imagine.

• 2:28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I don't do that. But I've been hearing so much about it from these guys on podcasts and how it's helping veterans. Um, I was offered it years ago. Uh, and I, I was like, no, that's not for me. Like hippies, you know, I don't do that.

• 2:28:21Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it's probably like worth pointing out to people, like from everything I've been told, like the plant medicine is not a drug. Like there's no situation where like you and I are going to sit here and like do high wasco, like trip balls in the, in this office. It does, that's not what it's about and that's not how people use it.

• 2:28:39Speaker 02

  Never.

• 2:28:39Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  Uh, but yet I kind of, that was still kind of the stigma that I, I had even up until that point.

• 2:28:48Speaker 02

  And I was like, you know what? But I gotta try something. So I'm going to do this. Um, I don't know how, where, with who.

• 2:29:01Speaker 02

  So I used the internet.

• 2:29:05Jack Murphy?

  This is where it begins.

• 2:29:08Speaker 02

  So my, you know, shaman near me, right?

• 2:29:14Speaker 02

  So I know there's no shaman down near me in South Florida.

• 2:29:18Speaker 02

  Until there is. Yeah. Um, it's popping up everywhere. So I decided I'm going to go to Mexico.

• 2:29:28Speaker 02

  And, uh, I found a guy down there on the internet and I show up.

• 2:29:35Speaker 02

  Now, mind you, I'm already kind of sketchy about this whole situation. But as we've learned from my previous Ukraine sketchy, you know what? We're gonna, let's just do it. Uh, the sketchier it is, the more fun and better it's going to be. And I end up down this long dirt road and it's some like house. I was like, am I at a house? I, I'm picturing some type of sanctuary, like a, some type of rehab recovery center type of thing. And they've got this big ceremonial space and I'm in a dude's house. And I was like, ah, okay. And this guy comes walking out in like jeans and a T-shirt.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  And a local guy from the area and I was like, he's like, Kenny. I was like, oh, all right. So I'm in the right spot. And I was like, but, uh, you know, you, things, you made me feel a little bit more, uh, less comfortable. And he's like, no, man, it's okay. Everything, we're good. Like, okay, well then I'm going to park my car. Let's get started. Uh, so actually next door had this little cabana that he had me live in. And I got to stay out there with him for, I don't know, five days. Uh, and he's feeding me all the times, you know, all types of good food, you know, healthy stuff, keeping my body clean.

• 2:31:01Speaker 02

  And he said, uh, he's going to start me out with this cleansing called combo.

• 2:31:12Speaker 02

  Okay. I, I, I didn't know anything really about combo. I researched the psychedelic treatment that I was coming down for and I figured I knew quite a bit of, enough about it to, to go through with it. Um, I don't know what this combo is. Seems like you're going to drink a lot of water. It's like a gallon of water. So

• 2:31:36Speaker 02

  I drank a gallon of water. Now, mind you, I got there like, I don't know, we'll call it on a Tuesday. And I just kind of got settled in and then Wednesday we started all the process. So I drank this gallon of water. Now he's going to take this vine and burn the vine and he's going to get me in my, in my shoulder. And he's just making like little cigarette type burns. So I've got small, open wounds in my shoulders. And then I lift my arms up so that he can pour this powder. It's frog toxin

• 2:32:10Speaker 02

  into these open wounds and spray them with water. Now, this dude doesn't use a measuring tool.

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  Fool or anything, he's just eyeballing this, just dumping it out. And I was like, I mean, is it supposed to be that much? And turns out, uh, I don't know, I think I got more than I needed because instantly, I say instantly, about two minutes into it, I can feel myself turning another shade of green and I'm starting to just like wanting to just turn inside out. I didn't feel like I was gonna die. Jack, I wanted to die because it was, it was painful. The nausea was just horrible. And I'm describing this, nobody's gonna want to do combo after I explain this to them.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  So, uh, you know, your experience may vary, but I just felt deathly ill. And he kept telling me, drink more water, drink more water. So I'm trying, I physically can't drink any water.

• 2:35:21Speaker 02

  And then it finally starts to come up. Now, it's about five minutes or so until it starts to get to the peak. And that peak lasts for about 10 minutes or so, and then you start to come back down. Those 10 minutes were an eternity, but I got up. Things that I was holding on to from 2004.

• 2:35:43Speaker 02

  I didn't understand why I was doing this.

• 2:35:49Speaker 02

  I do a lot better now.

• 2:35:53Speaker 02

  You've had a gut feeling before?

• 2:35:54Jack Murphy?

  Uh huh.

• 2:35:55Speaker 02

  So your gut is telling you things, whether that's because it's your second brain, whether it's just the data stored in there, memory, trauma, that's how you get these feelings. It stores stuff in there that you don't want. And this purging ceremony, you have to drink all the water so you have something to purge out. But it helps the cleansing of that biome so that you can start fresh. And then so that you can accept the medicine. So, once I was done violently throwing up green, orange, I don't know, it was just a kaleidoscope of,

• 2:36:36Speaker 02

  of garbage in there, just of evil that I was getting up from, from forever.

• 2:36:44Speaker 02

  He was like, all right, you know, we're gonna, the next ceremony will be in about two hours.

• 2:36:52Speaker 02

  I haven't done anything psychedelic at all. I just did this and I felt like I had just been in a fight with a couple of like heavyweights and I lost badly. And I was like, man, I'm, I'm done with everything. Like, I think we're good. I'm healed. I'm good. I'm not doing anything anymore. And he's like, why are you here? And I was like, well, I'm here because I need to fix something in myself. He's like, then you're gonna stay and work. And

• 2:37:30Speaker 02

  I was like, yeah, I mean, he just called me out on that, so I can't say no. All right, I'm gonna stay here and work. And I went and rested for about two hours. He called me back for my next ceremony, which is arguably one, the world's most powerful psychedelic. It's called five M E O D M T. It's the frog or the toad. It's the Sonoran Desert Toad. And it excretes a toxin, when scraped and dried in the sun, you could smoke this. I don't know who figured this out, but it's, I don't know, it definitely changes lives. So I'm sitting at, at this dude's house and you take three hits of this. You know, third hit is a breakthrough hit.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  So you take a big hit, you let it out and immediately another big one, let it out. And hopefully you can get the third because you're already going completely incoherent.

• 2:38:25Jack Murphy?

  Oh my god.

• 2:38:25Speaker 02

  You are catapulted into the ether in milliseconds. Now, what do I mean by that? So the English language is difficult to, it doesn't have the words to describe what you're in there. I will first tell you that I was dead and I knew it instantly. I was like, um, he didn't measure this out enough. I'm, I OD'd, I'm dead.

• 2:38:53Speaker 02

  Wow, that's a real disappointment that I went to Mexico and OD'd on drugs and, uh,

• 2:39:02Speaker 02

  this is gonna be a difficult one for, you know, to explain.

• 2:39:07Speaker 02

  That lasted about 30 seconds and then I became at peace with it. And I became at peace with it and I just let go. And when I did, it was the most profoundly beautiful experience that words can't describe that I've ever had. And I say that because it was so intense with just the overwhelming amount of love.

• 2:39:32Speaker 02

  And people say that God is love. I've been around the world

• 2:39:40Speaker 02

  and I've seen a lot of stuff, evil. And I'm like, God is not love. Like I said, I was a pretty devout atheist.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  The Bible, none of that made sense.

• 2:40:00Speaker 02

  But when you have no body anymore, because you physically,

• 2:40:06Speaker 02

  you think it's gone because you can't see it because everything that's in your reality right now, you know where you're at on a couch, I'm in this chair.

• 2:40:14Speaker 02

  I could, I can identify a lot of things, but when all of this is completely gone and it is something completely different, and then you have no concept of time or self,

• 2:40:26Speaker 02

  what do you have as a landmark to life?

• 2:40:30Jack Murphy?

  You're like a disembodied consciousness.

• 2:40:32Speaker 02

  All of those landmarks are gone, therefore you feel like you cease to exist because you don't exist in this anymore. And because time is now gone, you, you don't know if you're coming back. And this is so profound. You've never experienced anything like this before that like you're convinced that, okay, you've moved to another, whatever the next thing is after death.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  And so once I was convinced that, yep, there it is, I've died and I've moved on and I felt that overwhelming love.

• 2:41:12Speaker 02

  The 10 minutes that I was in that roughly, because it's very short, very short.

• 2:41:17Jack Murphy?

  That's interesting. Both of these are like 10, 15 minutes.

• 2:41:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:41:23Speaker 02

  So dimethyltryptamine is, is very fast acting when smoked, but very short half-life. And that 10 minutes, when I came out of it, um, I just cried. Tears of joy, tears of emotional

• 2:41:43Speaker 02

  overload. All of the things that I have,

• 2:41:50Speaker 02

  all of the things that I've built throughout my entire life, every memory that I've had and every memory that I've forgotten.

• 2:41:57Speaker 02

  You never have forgotten it. You have just put up a block.

• 2:42:01Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 2:42:02Speaker 02

  So conversations that you've had, the way somebody has treated you, the way that you treated other people. You've built walls into your brain that have prevented you because if you hold on to that memory, that's gonna affect you. So we put up that wall and we forget about that. But it's still there. That is our ego or our default mode network. And this completely eliminates the default mode network. It's called ego death. That's why you think you're died because

• 2:42:39Speaker 02

  you have. And my heart's still beating, my lungs are still filling with air. But the Kenny that I was before I took that D M T is no longer here. He's dead.

• 2:42:55Speaker 02

  And I was able to come out the other side a completely different person. And everyone that knows me will tell you the same thing.

• 2:43:03Jack Murphy?

  Is that because you were able to let go of some of these past experiences or did they feel reconciled? Like what was sort of that process like?

• 2:43:11Speaker 02

  Forgiveness.

• 2:43:12Jack Murphy?

  Really?

• 2:43:14Speaker 02

  Absolute and total forgiveness.

• 2:43:18Speaker 02

  This brought me to faith because I sat with God and I felt the love.

• 2:43:26Speaker 02

  And nothing compares to it.

• 2:43:32Speaker 02

  Nothing. And the words can't remotely, it's, I'm using a stick figure to talk about the Sistine Chapel. You just can't do it.

• 2:43:40Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I get it.

• 2:43:41Speaker 02

  And that feeling then opened up my consciousness and opened up, it gave me a big peek behind the curtain. So that I could understand what else is going on out there.

• 2:43:54Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 2:43:55Speaker 02

  And how little do I actually know? Um, and I know nothing. Um, but I do know now that there's so much more and I've seen it. Can't tell you about it because I don't, it's like having a very vivid dream. And as soon as you wake up, you're like, ah, something like an alligator was chasing me, but then I was on the top of the building and, but it was so vivid 15 minutes ago. It's like that. I knew everything, but now I don't.

• 2:44:24Jack Murphy?

  And there was like one more step in this, uh, first journey, wasn't there that he had you do?

• 2:44:30Speaker 02

  So after that, uh, the next night was ayahuasca.

• 2:44:36Speaker 02

  So ayahuasca, just like the, uh, five M E O D M T is D M T.

• 2:44:43Speaker 02

  So ayahuasca is an ancient brew. It's been used for over 1,500 years and it's a Peruvian, uh, Colombian jungle medicine. It grows in the Amazon. Um, it's a plant that, it's actually two plants. So it contains, it, there's a chakruna leaf is primarily the leaf that's used in the making of ayahuasca. The chakruna leaf is rich with D M T, dimethyltryptamine. If you were to in ingest dimethyltryptamine, you just eat the leaf. Nothing's gonna happen. Because your body has got monoamine oxidase. That monoamine oxidase breaks down the D M T before it can do any psychoactive effect on it.

• 2:45:29Speaker 02

  So then you have to combine that with a vine. Now, the Banisterius cappi vine is also grown locally to Peru. And you chop down a section of that and beat that into submission. And then you put Apollo leaves and some of the vine and you boil that for 12 to 24 hours. And it comes out with a, as a tea. Um, now, when you ingest about a shot, like the shot glass, you will start to feel some effects in about an hour. The second shot glass, that's when things get interesting.

• 2:46:09Speaker 02

  That's when things get a lot of fun.

• 2:46:13Speaker 02

  Ayahuasca is unlike Iba gain, which is now what we're pushing for psychedelic research. It was just signed a few months ago into, uh, legislation to advance the research on that. That's got some cardiac difficulties. It can put a little bit of strain on your heart. And you know, you pushing 50 guys in their early 50s. I'm uncomfortable doing that. It requires doctors, nurses, a whole staff. Ayahuasca is much safer, um, a lot safer. So this is done in the jungle setting. Now, when I did ayahuasca with that shaman, it wasn't at his house. Because this is not something that you do, like, you know, if I come over your house, we can smoke a little weed, watch some TV, that's cool.

• 2:46:58Speaker 02

  You're not gonna do that with ayahuasca. This is not, uh, it's not a party drug at all. This is structured. Uh, people take this very seriously, weeks ahead of time with a proper diet. Uh, take not eating red meats, abstaining from sex, no alcohol, uh, social media, staying away from that stuff for a few days. You really put forth all of this energy into respecting the medicine. And then when you go down to the jungle, where I went, we went deep into the jungle and it's just you and the shaman and the fire and the jungle. And then this medicine will talk to you. Now ayahuasca is gonna last for about four to six hours.

• 2:47:39Speaker 02

  So when you combine that vine in there, that's got the monoamine oxidase inhibitor will allow you to do that. So what I brought for you today

• 2:47:51Speaker 02

  is

• 2:47:53Speaker 02

  the ayahuasca vine.

• 2:47:54Jack Murphy?

  Oh, wow. Thank you.

• 2:47:57Jack Murphy?

  And so what is this?

• 2:47:59Speaker 02

  So that is the vine that it's an actual vine that's lacquered. But that vine, you would take a section, maybe about three feet. And you would take a wooden mallet and you will beat that, make it all nice and flat. And you'll put it in a big giant tub of boiling water with a big pile of the chakruna leaf. That is what keeps the body from

• 2:48:24Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 2:48:25Speaker 02

  Uh, breaking down the D M T.

• 2:48:29Jack Murphy?

  So that's the difference between the first time you're smoking D M T, the second time you're ingesting it.

• 2:48:35Speaker 02

  Correct. When you're drinking it, it's different. You have to have the vine attached to it so that it can keep your body from breaking it down.

• 2:48:41Jack Murphy?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:48:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. And

• 2:48:46Speaker 02

  people have a lot of similar results. Uh, results may vary, but they're all very similar.

• 2:48:54Jack Murphy?

  Similar experiences.

• 2:48:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I've, I've worked with over 60 veterans just this year.

• 2:49:03Speaker 02

  We've, I've worked with some high ranking veterans. I've worked with veterans with severe alcohol problems. I've worked with guys that have been going to the VA and they get put on a laundry list of medications to include Zoloft. 200 milligrams. That's like the most they'll prescribe daily. You get on 200 milligrams a day for a few years. Like, I mean, that's your daily regimen.

• 2:49:28Speaker 02

  I have taken guys on a structured retreat, two nights of ayahuasca ceremony with several other things in a four day weekend. And no longer on those types of medications. They take cannabis for anxiety and sleep. They don't do that anymore. Their gummies are gone. Guys that were drinking nearly every day, no drinking. I haven't touched a drop of alcohol since. Not since my first ceremony, I haven't touched it.

• 2:49:56Speaker 02

  And I've done, I do ceremonies with, uh, I take guys down to the jungle. Cause you know, I said, I went down to Mexico. I looked up a guy on the internet. So since then I've done a lot more research. I've gone shaman hopping. Uh, and I've found some amazing Peruvian shamans that I've been working with repeatedly, over and over. I've got a beautiful sanctuary in Guatemala, up near Antigua by Volcan de Fuego. It's the most active volcano.

• 2:50:30Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:50:30Speaker 02

  Yes, active as about 15 times a day. That volcano is gonna go off and we're at the base of it. Out of lava reach, but that's pretty intense. So you're in the jungle at the base of an active volcano. It's 2:00 AM and ayahuasca is showing you all this love and mother nature is showing, mother nature is showing you all the power.

• 2:50:53Speaker 02

  It doesn't get any better than that.

• 2:50:54Jack Murphy?

  And this is waypoint six now.

• 2:50:56Speaker 02

  Waypoint six. I decided that I wasn't the only one that needed some kind of help. And people aren't gonna just look at, look up on the internet and find a random dude that's gonna serve them, you know, plant medicine and feel comfortable doing that. So I thought it was a good idea for me to help guys.

• 2:51:20Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:20Speaker 02

  And be the liaison for that, right? And I say, hey, Jack, you know, I see you struggling. Do you, let's, let's talk about this. Hey man, I'm working with plant medicine. Are you available next month, man? I'm gonna take you down there with me. And you're gonna feel a lot more comfortable if we approach it that way, right?

• 2:51:39Jack Murphy?

  Sure.

• 2:51:39Speaker 02

  You just try to figure it out on your own.

• 2:51:42Jack Murphy?

  White pages.

• 2:51:42Speaker 02

  Right. So then I'll take a small group and I'm gonna take you down there. I'm gonna put you through the whole retreat. I'm gonna do it with you. And that's how we're gonna do things. And, uh,

• 2:51:55Speaker 02

  yeah. Speaking of which, you wanna go?

• 2:51:58Jack Murphy?

  Uh, I think, uh, I ought to at this point. Uh, like I've talked to so many veterans that have been through the process and speak so highly of it. Like probably I should, uh, give it a shot myself.

• 2:52:10Speaker 02

  I don't put as much energy into the things that shouldn't bother me. Like I used to, I used, and that would give me anxiety. Right? And then that would, it would

• 2:52:20Jack Murphy?

  You feel more focused.

• 2:52:21Speaker 02

  It would upset me. I would get angry. And yeah, this, like, those things don't matter. I've seen what matters. And you can't unsee it. Although I can't describe it to you, I can't unsee it. That's weird. I get it. But, uh, it's the most profound thing that ever happened to me. And I just wanna share it with the world.

• 2:52:47Jack Murphy?

  And, you know, speaking of which, where people, where can people go to find waypoint six?

• 2:52:52Speaker 02

  So waypoint, the number six, dot com.

• 2:52:57Jack Murphy?

  Okay, that's easy enough.

• 2:52:58Speaker 02

  Waypoint six dot com. And, uh, yeah, they can go on there and, and send out an, an email and, um, usually it's gonna be me calling.

• 2:53:10Jack Murphy?

  And you've been doing this like once a month, you're saying?

• 2:53:13Speaker 02

  I, I've been going at times twice a month.

• 2:53:15Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 2:53:16Speaker 02

  Uh, but yeah, at least every month.

• 2:53:19Jack Murphy?

  So you're in demand.

• 2:53:21Speaker 02

  We, uh, yeah, we're, we're pretty booked up, uh, at least for a couple of months out. But, which is sometimes like, hey, I'll run an extra one this month because

• 2:53:35Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna call out any other organizations, uh, on your show.

• 2:53:41Speaker 02

  I applied to an organization.

• 2:53:44Speaker 02

  This is why I went on the internet.

• 2:53:47Speaker 02

  And found my own guy. Cause I applied to an organization, nobody got back to me. I get it, like a day or two or three or a week.

• 2:53:56Speaker 02

  So I found my own guy. I went, I handled myself.

• 2:54:01Speaker 02

  I went and I found another guy later.

• 2:54:05Speaker 02

  And I was like, oh, this shaman is the best. This sanctuary is great. Moving in, we're gonna start working.

• 2:54:13Speaker 02

  And started getting into a kind of a rhythm and already taking somebody down there. And then that organization finally messaged me. Like, it's been a few months. Not only did I self-medicate.

• 2:54:28Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 2:54:29Speaker 02

  But I found the beauty in it. And I found how amazing it was with my results. I've been taking guys down there to get this for themselves.

• 2:54:41Speaker 02

  And they were like, oh, man, that's terrific, you know, great. But that was the whole idea is like, they didn't even contact me for such a long time. And then when they did, before I actually came out and told them it was gonna be thousands of dollars. And I had to do it, you know, like, hey, we can do it next month and it's gonna be thousands of dollars. But we wait, you know, we might be able to get it sponsored. So then I've been reaching out to-

• 2:55:09Jack Murphy?

  I understand that they're maybe busy.

• 2:55:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:55:11Jack Murphy?

  This is the same complaint that we have had of Veterans Affairs, that you're on this waitlist for nine months and during that time period, the guy's self-medicating and doing stuff that's gonna hurt, if not kill himself.

• 2:55:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I wanted to make my effort to be, I wanna contact you immediately. Like, if you send a message, if you're on the website and you're like, hey, more information, apply, I wanna get back with you within like a day or two.

• 2:55:41Speaker 02

  And then I wanna be able to get you somewhere. Let's do it like in a month, like, or within the month. Here's the next available one. If I get too many people, I'm gonna run another one. I don't want guys waiting for months on end. And then another thing that I wanted to do slightly differently is that a lot of these organizations that are working with psychedelic medicine, which thank goodness, there's so many of them that are out there and that it's becoming so much more, you know, mainstream that it gives veterans lots of opportunities to do that. There's so many of these places catering specifically to special operations.

• 2:56:23Speaker 02

  Which, great, you know, did a lot of times a special operations guy. All my friends were, you know, soft guys. But they're not the only ones that are in the mental fight.

• 2:56:38Speaker 02

  There's a lot of guys that are, you know, Marines in Fallujah. It's not special operations. Those dudes were just out there kicking in every single door. There's dudes in the regular military units, whether that's 10th Mountain, 101st, the 82nd, whatever, and they're getting blown up by IEDs. They're taking RPGs, they're getting shot. They're in there doing it, they're in the mix. But they don't get the same kind of credibility because they're not a soft unit guy. So we wanted to, we wanted to get away from that and open this up to all veterans that need it.

• 2:57:18Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it's awesome.

• 2:57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, not Coast Guard, all the veterans, though.

• 2:57:25Jack Murphy?

  Well, thank you for sharing your story with us, Kenny, and setting this whole thing up, Boy Point Six, and flying out here to do this interview.

• 2:57:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:33Jack Murphy?

  Thanks for having me. It's a lot to think about. Is there anything else that you wanna talk about before we get going tonight?

• 2:57:43Speaker 02

  I don't know, man, I think that's it.

• 2:57:44Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we talked about a lot and-

• 2:57:46Speaker 02

  You got me.

• 2:57:47Jack Murphy?

  Well, like you said, I mean, maybe you gotta go and experience it from here on out.

• 2:57:51Speaker 02

  Words can't describe it.

• 2:57:52Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:57:53Speaker 02

  You just gotta go. You go with an open mind and an open heart.

• 2:57:59Speaker 02

  And you'll come back and you'll move differently.

• 2:58:01Jack Murphy?

  Well, everyone out there, thank you for joining us tonight and we will see all of you next week. Thank you.

• 2:58:08Speaker 05

  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 2:58:37Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

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  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 3:00:51Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 3:01:16Speaker 05

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  911 Nashville returns. It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground. With emergencies of biblical proportions. I will send swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville. Brian Philippi joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:02:35Speaker 05

  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 3:03:04Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 3:03:28Speaker 05

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  911, what's your emergency? Please help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder warnings.

• 3:04:19Speaker 03

  911 Nashville returns. It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground. With emergencies of biblical proportions. I will send swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville. Brian Philippi joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:04:46Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing.

• 3:05:29Speaker 05

  It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

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• 3:06:32Speaker 03

  911 Nashville returns. It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground. With emergencies of biblical proportions. I will send swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville. Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:06:54Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves.

• 3:07:36Speaker 05

  But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

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• 3:08:37Speaker 00

  911, what's your emergency? Please help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder warnings.

• 3:08:46Speaker 03

  911 Nashville returns. It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground. With emergencies of biblical proportions. I will send swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville. Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:09:06Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves.

• 3:09:49Speaker 05

  But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

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• 3:10:59Speaker 03

  911 Nashville returns. It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground. With emergencies of biblical proportions. I will send swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville. Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:11:19Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves.

• 3:12:01Speaker 05

  But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

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• 3:13:12Speaker 03

  911 Nashville returns. It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground. With emergencies of biblical proportions. I will send swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville. Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:13:38Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 3:14:08Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 3:14:32Speaker 05

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

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• 3:15:15Speaker 00

  911, what's your emergency?

• 3:15:18Speaker 00

  Please help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder hornets.

• 3:15:22Speaker 01

  911 Nashville returns.

• 3:15:25Speaker 03

  It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground.

• 3:15:28Speaker 01

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 3:15:31Speaker 03

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• 3:15:38Speaker 01

  Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:15:49Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 3:16:18Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 3:16:43Speaker 05

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

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• 3:17:31Speaker 00

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• 3:17:35Speaker 01

  911 Nashville returns.

• 3:17:38Speaker 03

  It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground.

• 3:17:41Speaker 01

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 3:17:44Speaker 03

  Oh, sin swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 3:17:51Speaker 01

  Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:18:03Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 3:18:32Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 3:18:56Speaker 05

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 3:19:10Speaker 01

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• 3:19:41Speaker 00

  911, what's your emergency? Please help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder hornets.

• 3:19:49Speaker 01

  911 Nashville returns.

• 3:19:51Speaker 03

  It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground.

• 3:19:55Speaker 01

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 3:19:57Speaker 03

  Oh, sin swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 3:20:04Speaker 01

  Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:20:18Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 3:20:47Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 3:21:12Speaker 05

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 3:21:25Speaker 01

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• 3:21:57Speaker 00

  911, what's your emergency?

• 3:22:00Speaker 00

  Please help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder hornets.

• 3:22:04Speaker 01

  911 Nashville returns.

• 3:22:07Speaker 03

  It's a homicide detective down here. Three bodies on the ground.

• 3:22:10Speaker 01

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 3:22:12Speaker 03

  Oh, sin swarms upon you and upon your people. That's one of the plagues of the Bible. And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 3:22:20Speaker 01

  Brian Phillippe joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 3:22:32Speaker 05

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 3:23:01Speaker 06

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 3:23:26Speaker 05

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 3:23:39Speaker 00

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  911 Nashville returns.

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