#2267 - Dan Richards

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• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Hello, what's happening, Dave? How much? Good to see you again, man.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Good to see you too, Joe. Thanks for the invite.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for coming on here, man. I really enjoy your videos, Joe. Your website, your channel, rather, on YouTube, Dedunking, is really great because it's so obvious, like, it's one of those things where you don't need, like, some big crazy set or high production values to make something interesting. It's just you with a bookshelf behind you, talking about stuff, and it's great.

• 0:42Speaker 01

  Well, thanks. I appreciate that, Joe. Yeah, I'm very passionate about this stuff, so it's, I'm glad that people are taking notice and that, I mean, I'm sitting here talking to you right now, but it's crazy to me.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were one of the, you, like me, were one of the early readers of Fingerprints of the Gods. And that's sort of how you got into this whole subject, right?

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Yes, I actually had that one pre-ordered from Hastings, because I'd read The Sign and the Seal.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  And so I was already like, Graham Hancock's pretty cool. I like the way he's coming at these things. And I saw that, there was that thing at Hastings to pre-order Fingerprints of the Gods for, like, 25 bucks or something. You get, like, $3 off, and so I did. And was reading it cover to cover when I had Graham sign it, and him and Santa both were just looking at how beat the hell it is, right? Because he'd been in a construction truck, we're going job sites for, like, 20 years.

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. So, The Sign and the Seal, was that about Ethiopia and the...

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Ark of the Covenant.

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What's your take on all that?

• 1:40Speaker 01

  It's interesting. Anytime they won't let you see the evidence, I get, like, all of my alarm bells go off, right? But I understand why they wouldn't want you to see it if it really is the Ark. I'd like to see, I guess the best thing we could do to test it without seeing the Ark would be to look into the claims that these guys go blind and they show signs of radiation sickness.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's explain to everybody what the claim, that they believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant, and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Yes, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning, they go blind, they die quickly, and then somebody else, and one priest at a time is allowed to be, like, the caretaker of the Ark.

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  How long do they live?

• 2:26Speaker 01

  They want to say like a couple of years, something like that. I can't remember.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:29Speaker 01

  It's been a while. Not very long, yeah. They die pretty quick.

• 2:32Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that job.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34Joe Rogan?

  You get that call?

• 2:37Joe Rogan?

  How much do I love Jesus?

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  Am I allowed to get radiation poisoning? This is kind of fucking crazy.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's a... But there's a lot of evidence in that book that was really interesting. Like, the Knights Templar statues and stuff, and in old parish cathedrals that would lead Graham to Ethiopia. Just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting. Little Indiana Jones, man. It's like real life kind of Indiana Jones shit. And so I was just anxious for that fingerprints.

• 3:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, something that has that much radiation that kills people so quickly, wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church?

• 3:20Speaker 01

  You would think that... You'd think that our boys would be all over that shit with the satellites. It'd be like, "Yeah, that's a spot to watch out for. Send a team."

• 3:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Because that was one of the speculations about the New Jersey drones, which was really weird, was that there was allegedly... This is part of the speculation. Allegedly, there was a warhead that was missing from when... What was it, from Ukraine?

• 3:46Joe Rogan?

  I think it was from like, quite a while ago. So there was a warhead that was not accounted for, a nuclear warhead. And the thought was that somehow or another, it had gotten snuck into the United States. And these drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation. And that they were looking for excess gamma radiation, which would indicate that this thing was there.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  That would make sense. I saw that on Twitter. I saw a few guys talking about it. It would definitely make sense. It's weird that the drones just kind of stopped around Christmas time.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only did they stop, but there was also this... I don't even, I hesitate to even talk about this because it's so much of this is horseshit. But there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere. And that the conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones. And then the Trump administration recently said, no, there are drones. I mean, okay, why wouldn't you fucking tell us if they were our drones? You're just flying a bunch of SUV sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, had to be some reason.

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what was going on and how, you know, I get, you know, I get you can't tell us everything. I get it.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  It was weird. They, they just stopped at the Christmas time. I was kind of worried about that because I went to see Mark Gagnon in, in Brooklyn. I just was there last week and I was like, man, I hope I don't see a bunch of dang drones in the sky and stuff still. But because I've had that booked out for a couple of months, but.

• 5:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my friend Mark saw one, Mark Norman, he saw one. He said it was huge.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Really?

• 5:21Joe Rogan?

  He said it was really big and it moved really fast. And he said it had propellers, but it didn't sound like a regular like helicopter. So it was real weird.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  I saw a lot of videos of them and I saw a few guys talking about them that seemed somewhat credible on Twitter. But I didn't see that like guys that had talked about being weapons developers and stuff like that. But it's so easy nowadays to just bullshit your way through things and there's money in it, right? I mean, you get clicks. So it's like there's the days of it needing to be a government conspiracy in my mind are like way long gone. There's, if I pretend I see Bigfoot and I fake it good enough to get a bunch of, to get on Joe Rogan. Well, man, I'm doing pretty fucking good now, ain't I?

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can make some money.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Exactly. So.

• 6:02Joe Rogan?

  That is a real problem.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  I'm really skeptical of like everybody nowadays, like treat them all like crackheads.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  I am too, and I like that about your channel, that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things. Even things that the people that are, you know, heretics of the archaeological world, they subscribe to. And you're like, eh, not so fast, which I think is great.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Well, thanks.

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  I think it's very important. But getting back to the Ethiopia thing. If we have this capability supposedly to scan for gamma radiation from the sky. Why wouldn't someone fly over that church and go, yo, there's a crazy hotspot here?

• 6:36Speaker 01

  You would think probably somebody has. Um, if, if not, like, like, like I was saying with the satellites, in all honesty, the, the feds monitor that kind of shit, like heavily. And so, I mean, if it's possible that it wouldn't be, you know, any kind of weapons grady stuff, so they might just not be looking for that particularly.

• 6:54Joe Rogan?

  Can they monitor for gamma radiation from satellites?

• 6:57Speaker 01

  I'm not sure. I, I know that they can look for, I know they can look for, uh, I'm not sure how they detect it. I'm not sure what they use to detect it, but I know that they can look for radioactive material from space.

• 7:07Joe Rogan?

  Huh. So, the thought is that if this Ark of the Covenant is there, and whatever it is, is somehow radioactive, is there any sort of theory as to how they develop some sort of radioactive thing? Like, what, what is it supposed to be? I mean, it's, is it, it's not a reactor, it's some, it's in a box, right? Like, what, what is it?

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Well, um.

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• 8:57Speaker 01

  The theory that a lot of people have is that it's a weapon. That like in the Bible is described like shooting lightning and things like that.

• 9:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  And what Graham mentions in the book, it's an interesting point is. The Bible records Moses going up to Mount Sinai, coming down with the Ten Commandments. Getting mad at the Israelites worshiping a golden calf and he breaks the Ten Commandments and then goes back up the mountain and comes back down after another week or so with the Ten Commandments again. And Graham points out that this could be a memory of him going up and getting the wrong stone and then, damn it, smashes it, goes back and finds the right stone that he's looking for that it had the proper, you know, uranium rich or whatever speculative radiation stuff. So, but inside of the box, a popular theory is, you know, you've got metal, wood, metal, like a transformer.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  And so the popular theory is it's a way to generate electricity and it would also describe like the way that guys in the Bible are, if they, if they touch it, they have to carry it with sticks and if they touch it even to steady it, they get killed and stuff. But I honestly, I don't see it being a transformer, that wood metal or metal, wood, metal thing has to be stacked, you're not just getting it with one layer like the Bible describes. But it's an interesting thing.

• 10:11Joe Rogan?

  When you say it has to be stacked, you mean spaced in between each layer?

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, like if you've ever seen a doorbell transformer?

• 10:18Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Okay, transformers, at the bottom of it will have multiple plates. It'll be like a plate of metal and then a plate of silicone or something like that to, that's conductive, non-conductive, conductive, non-conductive, and there'll be multiples of those and this is part of the electromagnetic changing of the, because what a transformer does is it steps electricity up or down and swaps voltage for amperage, basically. So, the metal, the metal plates are part of it. So, the idea is that this thing would collect electricity inside the box and then the Israelites would use it to throw lightning at the enemies. Now, there's still a lot of speculation as to how the box would work, but Moses was also said to, after going up and seeing God, he was said to have had to cover his face

• 11:02Speaker 01

  with the cloth for the rest of his life, because it was shown. And Graham speculated in that book that it might be because of, you know, radiation sickness or something, his face was covered in sores for the rest of his life. So, it is interesting.

• 11:15Joe Rogan?

  So, if this thing...

• 11:18Joe Rogan?

  Is radioactive, like, how would that conduct electricity?

• 11:22Speaker 01

  No idea. It would probably be, if it was, it, maybe it's the power source, like, we have radioactive batteries on satellites and shit, right? And they convert that radiation into electricity, so it's possible, I mean, that's, I'm, you know, I'm not really too like, big on the ancient high technology, but I'm always willing to speculate and look at the angles on it, and that's, that's basically where they come from, the guys that are really big into the ark, some guys even will, will claim that it's a capacitor, like, a full-on capacitor, which a capacitor stores and discharges electricity, it's why we were told not to, when you don't touch the tube on your TV when we were kids,

• 12:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Because it'll zap you, the capacitor.

• 12:09Joe Rogan?

  We're old, we remember tubes on TVs.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  I watched a friend of mine working on an arcade machine once, and one of the leads popped off of the thing, and he was bald, and it tapped to the top, and he fucking laid his ass right out, bam, straight to the ground, oh shit, you okay?

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  But anyway, yeah, that's what a capacitor is, so, some guys believe, like Billy Carson would, would say that the Ark of the Covenant would fit inside of the sarcophagus of the King's Chamber, which it doesn't, and that it's a capacitor to power the pyramid.

• 12:41Joe Rogan?

  So it doesn't, how do you know that it doesn't?

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Well, the Bible has the specifications for the size of the Ark of the Covenant, and they're not the same as the-

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  How different are they?

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Considerably.

• 12:52Joe Rogan?

  Is it larger or smaller?

• 12:53Speaker 01

  The ark is larger.

• 12:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's larger than, oh, really?

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Well, than the inside of the sarcophagus.

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar-a-Lago?

• 13:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:01Joe Rogan?

  He has a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  No shit?

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't look bigger than the, the reason why I said it is, it doesn't look bigger than the sarcophagus. Maybe I need to look at it again.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  And I, there's a possibility that I'm wrong there, but I know, I know that the measurements are off by enough that it was like, this isn't just a little mix and match, this was, it's way off.

• 13:22Joe Rogan?

  I feel like we should have a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant here.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  You probably should.

• 13:26Joe Rogan?

  I probably should.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  There's no reason.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, can you pull up that one? Was it visiting? The Mar-a-Lago?

• 13:33Speaker 01

  I think so. I was trying to find a...

• 13:35Joe Rogan?

  But it's pretty dope, man. It's like Indiana Jones type dope.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  It's really cool. It looks awesome. But if that's real, and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poison, like hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know. I mean, if you really want people to believe in God and the Bible, what better way than to say, not only is the Ark of the Covenant real, but we have it here at this church in Ethiopia, and we've been suffering for the past X hundred years. I mean, how many priests have died?

• 14:05Speaker 01

  I don't know. I have no idea. A lot. It would be a lot.

• 14:08Joe Rogan?

  That'd be a good thing to know.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Well, this would be, I mean, this was supposed, the Ark was supposed to have been brought there by Sheba, the Queen of Sheba's son, Menelik. So you're talking thousands of years, right?

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  So Ethiopia has a lot of, uh, here it goes. That's it. Oh damn. That's the one that was at Trump's.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  It's definitely a replica.

• 14:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's not the one?

• 14:27Speaker 02

  No, no, it is.

• 14:28Joe Rogan?

  It is the one?

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Well, who knows, right? No one's seen it.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  Right. But, but I mean, that's what I meant. I mean, the one that's at Mar-a-Lago, there's photos of it at Mar-a-Lago.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  This is the one that was at Mar-a-Lago.

• 14:40Joe Rogan?

  See, that looks like that would fit inside the sarcophagus, doesn't it? Scroll up a little, so I can see how.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe, maybe I was wrong about that, but I do know that...

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Except for the handles.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  I do know that the measurements are off drastically. It's not, it's not just an inch or two. It's enough that you're not sliding one of the...

• 14:57Joe Rogan?

  Can you show a photo of it at Mar-a-Lago? I know we pulled it up at one point in time. Because when these folks are standing around next to it, yeah, they're far left. Yeah, see?

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:10Joe Rogan?

  See, that looks like it would fit in there.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  It does look like it would. But, uh, yeah, if you look up the measurements, I wish, I don't have them off the top of my head.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  I was doing that, but it's not tracked.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  But yeah, they're, they are, the King's Chamber, yeah, if the, the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber and the Ark of the Covenant are...

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I feel like we should send the green berets into that church.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:35Joe Rogan?

  Come on, guys. Tell us what the fuck you got. Enough, enough of this. Enough hiding. You, you, this is like, if you have that, that is, that's something for the whole human race to know. That's not something for you to hide. That's not yours to, to covet. It's, that's wrong.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  No, but, but, uh, if they've been hiding it forever and it's a religious icon and it's, and they're like the, the keepers of it or whatever.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  Look how big the sarcophagus is in the King's Chamber.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, dang.

• 16:03Joe Rogan?

  That thing's, that, that, that's crazy. The, the King's Chamber itself is so bananas. The, the whole thing, like, why? What did you do? Why'd you do it this way? How'd, how'd you have the resources? How'd you get those stones that are that big up so high?

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Oh, man, there's so much, there's so much about the pyramids in general that are just so hard to even, like, the, like I'd mentioned a little bit last time, we talked the squaring of it, it's so, it's like 756 feet long and there's like two to three inch variation on, on, at the most. So you're, you're talking like thousandths of a percent on this massive thing. And then if you just stretch a rope from one end of this table to the other and hold it tight, it's gonna sag a little. You're 756 feet, you're not getting a two inch accurate measurement at that.

• 16:47Joe Rogan?

  With a rope, right.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  You have to use something different.

• 16:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so what are you using?

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 16:52Joe Rogan?

  What are you using? How are you using it? How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years?

• 16:59Speaker 01

  The, the 20 years, yeah.

• 17:01Joe Rogan?

  The 20 year thing is nuts.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  That's, throw that one out, cause that's, that, that's, that's the cynical side of things. That's where they are, we have to stick to what we know, what we believe. It's like, the, the, just a couple of pharaohs before, that guy built three pyramids. So, you can't just say, well, these guys were only building them each generation for tombs. It's, it, it seems to me like it's a multi-generational project. If that's, if these guys were the ones that built them, like, like the historians say, it seems to me like...

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Every generation was working on three. I break ground on my grandsons. I'm getting my sons going and I'm finishing mine. Every generation was probably doing that because it took a hundred years to build, man. They're huge.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  The only explanation outside of that, it was some lost technology.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:44Joe Rogan?

  That's the only explanation. The problem with the lost technology thing is where's the tools? Like, what would you use? There is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods, the coring, the drills that indicate, like, a very high-speed drill, which is interesting. So it's not just as simple as, you know, getting some tube and slowly working its way through. The way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed. So the question is like, how, what, what was the material? Where is it? What happened to it?

• 18:17Speaker 01

  And you, like, the, the argument, of course, would be, this is the kind of stuff that we get looted right away, right?

• 18:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  If you watch Mad Max, they're not running around picking up bottle caps. They're picking up the, the stuff you can use. But on the flip side of that, the, you know, the evidence, you know, if you look at any one of your videos or mine that are about the pyramids, you're gonna have thousands of comments of people that are like, here's my theory on the pyramids.

• 18:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  And most of these are pretty mundane. Most of these are, I think they might have used water too. I think, we kind of need to exhaust, in my mind, we kind of need to exhaust all that mundane shit that, that people can throw at this problem before we really can start saying, okay, now let's, let's, let's just step outside of history and speculate harder. I'm, I'm willing to entertain the things, but if you really want to find out what happened in my mind, you kind of have to be more, more grounded with it. That's how I like it.

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• 22:06Joe Rogan?

  you know, when you get into Graham Hancock stuff, specifically the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, which I'm always fascinated by both the people that fully support it and the people that fully dismiss it. Both of those things are interesting to me because you don't know. Just stop. Thank you. Just stop. Thank you. That's so accurate, right there. Shut your hole. We're all just guessing. Yeah. We're guessing, but we're all looking at some really interesting stuff, right? We're looking at the iridium. We're looking at the micro diamonds, the nano diamonds. We're looking at the... The black mat? Yeah. Do you know about my friend John Reeves up in Alaska? The bone yard in Alaska? No, I don't.

• 22:46Joe Rogan?

  John Reeves, he actually, he found this. This was actually sawed. This is, that's an ancient mammoth bone. The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated, and I forget what the carbon date it was. It wasn't that extraordinary. Hundreds of years, I think, right? It was only hundreds of years, right? Or maybe a couple thousand? I forget what it was. But the fact that it was sawed at the top is very interesting because they were trying to, some of the bones they've dated to tens of thousands of years. Including animals that they've found that, they've found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area. So he has a very small piece of, he has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it, I think it's only about six acres, where they're finding an enormous number of woolly mammoth bones.

• 23:31Joe Rogan?

  Short-faced bear, all these different lions and all these different animals. That some of them, they didn't even think were in Alaska 10, 15,000 years ago. And there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that like something happened. Like there was some sort of massive burn. And the theory is that there was an enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot of these animals that died got washed into and then covered. So they have this wall that is essentially permafrost and they hose it down. They do it all the time and then they see a mammoth tusk and then they slowly work their way out. But he has, where, go to his Instagram page.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  John was about, he's, every year he's our last guest, but this year he got pneumonia. So we had a... Delay him until recently, but this is all stuff that they find. He's a gold miner. So this is all stuff that they find on his property. Well, it started out incidentally and now they search for it. But there's John right there in the middle with the baseball hat on. So he, the big guy right there. He's a giant human. So, I mean, you gotta see him in real life. He's huge. Um, but this area that he has is extraordinary because he's got enormous. See, that's how they hose it all down. So he's set up this multimillion dollar research facility out there. He's got huge warehouses, store, and thousands and thousands of these bones.

• 24:59Joe Rogan?

  And it's just in a six acre area. And then there's another additional area that's a similar size. So there you can see one of the bones, one of the tusks sticking out. But he gave us that, um, a step bison skull that's in the lobby. I don't know if you saw that. That's 10,000 years old. Wow, damn. Yeah. And so he's got a bunch of, I mean, he pulls them out left and right. See if you can find like some of the bins that he has. So he's got these enormous, like, look, look at all those mammoth tusks. Just stacks of them. Yeah. A ton of them. And they're all over the place. I mean, his, his property is really, really extraordinary. Wow. But it's all his. So he's like, hey, fuck off. Like, I'm, I'm just gonna dig this stuff up myself. I don't want anybody coming in

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  lying and bullshitting and controlling the area. It's on, all on private land, so I'm just gonna keep pulling the stuff out of there and hiring people to come in and do some research on it. Look at all these bones I found. Isn't that insane? That's, that's wild. So the, that's the theory. The theory is that this was an area where a lot of these animals that died probably instantaneously by the impact got washed into. Okay. And I, I could see that. I mean, he does a lot of fucking bones. Oh, this is, you're only getting a tiny fraction of it. If you actually see it, see, Jamie, see if you can find one of the images of his warehouses. Like from, like, uh, there's some overhead views to the warehouses. They're huge.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  And they're just filled with bones. And he pulls them out every day. Like whenever they want, they go down, they hose down the permafrost. And because it's in the permafrost, it's all preserved. Yeah. Wow. That's what I was just thinking is permafrost is preserved real well. Yeah. Yeah. So these, these are just, yeah. But these are all storage bins that they have filled with bones. I mean, it's pretty extraordinary.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  That is wild. Yeah, that's sad that he doesn't want to bring the scientists in, but I can understand why. It's, you know, it, the, the way that things are nowadays, it's, um.

• 26:59Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't trust them.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Exactly. A lot of people don't.

• 27:01Joe Rogan?

  And he wanted to come on here to like, spread it out to the world. One of the things that he found out was that they dumped the previous owners of his property before he owned it. The, what, what, what museum was it again, Jamie? American National History. American National History Museum in New York City had acquired some of the bones, and they had so much of them, that they dumped some of them in the, in the East River. Now, they denied it, so he sent divers out to the exact spot in the East River, and they started pulling up step bison bones, and all these different, like, ancient, ancient animal bones, from this exact area where they said to look for it. So it's pretty much been confirmed that it's true, and they, he does know that they have some of them still, and they won't release them to him. So until they release the bones to him, that are rightfully his, he's like, fuck off. You can't come here.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  I, I can understand that.

• 27:47Joe Rogan?

  But, his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event. There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals. Now, we know that humans were all around back then. The question was, how sophisticated were they? And this is where it all gets so weird, you know, because I've been following this forever and ever and ever. And I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe. And so the question was, that the archaeologists would always, the, the really arrogant archaeologists would always throw in the faces of these heretics. They would say, well, if this is true, where's the evidence of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated that can make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago? There is no evidence.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, now there is.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:31Joe Rogan?

  So now they have to kind of look at it and go, well, okay, we were wrong about that, but we're still, we know 2,500 B.C., maximum, that's how old the pyramids are.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  They don't, they don't, uh, it, a lot of the scientists, most of the scientists are actually scientists, but the ones that we end up seeing are the ones that are invested in creating a narrative. They're the ones that they want to make sure that pseudo-archaeology and pseudoscience is always on its back foot and never gets a fair day in court, and blah, blah, blah. These guys, they don't, they don't give us any real accurate interpretation of the data. They'll step way outside of their lane to tell you what's going on.

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  You mean like Flint Dibble?

• 29:14Speaker 01

  I mean, exactly like Flint Dibble.

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were the guy that broke down what he was inaccurate about when he was having that air quotes debate with Graham Hancock.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  It's all very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting. All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they, they change over the time. And you know, how you can tell whether a seed is domesticated versus whether it's feral.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's, he's, he's good at what he does, um, at least as far as that stuff goes. But like, uh, like there was another, there's a guy that's a trained anthropologist that made a couple of videos about him, uh, Sam Urban from Illegitimate Scholar. And he, uh, I think Graham mentioned him here before. Um, he, he's a, he specialized in, uh, underwater shipwrecks. And he just blasted the stuff that Flint said, not just the three million shipwreck. He just blasted on a scientific level, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He got way out of his lane with that.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's, you know, I, that's, I guess, one of the biggest things here. All those guys right now are laughing, going, you're an electrician, Dan. You're outside of your lane every time you talk about this shit.

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  But the difference is- You think you're outside of your lane? I'm outside of my lane about fucking, if I'm not talking about people getting beat up or cracking jokes.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Well, only you would have a painting of you busting Shane Gillis's ass.

• 30:33Joe Rogan?

  I didn't make that.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Every time he posts that picture, he's like, I had a great time on J R U. I'm like, man, I've seen that on, that's a, that's a beautiful work of art, right?

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  It's very pretty.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Very pretty. Good painting.

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So we're all out of our lanes. It's with something. Every person who's an expert is out of their lanes with a lot of things.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  But there's a difference, and this is like what you alluded to a minute ago, uh, where it's like, there's a difference between saying, we know for a fact and we're not sure.

• 30:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  And, you know, a common atheist argument, if you talk like Richard Dawkins, he'll say, the minute that a scientist says God did it, they're not worth a fuck to me in the lab. Because they're not working anymore. They're like, I've got the answer. But that's the same thing as the science is settled. If you say, the science is done, we know for a fact, you're not-

• 31:12Joe Rogan?

  You can't say that.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  You're no longer worth a fuck to me in the lab.

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  Science is not settled when you don't have all the information in the universe.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Exactly. And since we never will.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

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• 32:46Joe Rogan?

  Maybe we won't, but maybe our future people will.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Future selves, yes.

• 32:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, what we're looking at is a mystery. And Egypt, to me, is one of the most phenomenal of all the mysteries, one of the most fascinating. Because whatever happened, however long ago, those people in Africa did something that no one's been able to do since.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:07Joe Rogan?

  And they did it in a way that defies our understanding, not just of what they could do back then, but of what people could ever do, including right now.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. And there's a lot to be said like that you can't see about ancient Egypt that's amazing like uh you know the Bronze Age collapse you've heard of that right in the sea peoples. Egypt was like the big power that survived like all these other big powers they were destroyed. They were crushed. They lost everything. Now Egypt got smaller, but it survived. It wasn't until the Greeks came along that it was, I mean they were, they'd been conquered off and on, but it wasn't until the Greeks came along that they were truly subjugated. And that's

• 33:42Joe Rogan?

  Thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  And by the time the Greeks showed up, that shit was so old that you look on the Osirion, they say that there's graffiti that's like the sacred geometry shit that was Hermeticism that was popular in Greece. So they're seeing Hermeticist stuff with sacred geometry on it. Um, and that's like, you know, thousands of years later. There's, there's, their minds are blown the same as their hearts are today.

• 34:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  And that's, that's really fucked when you think about Alexander the Great going there and tripping balls on the same shit we do, right? So that's crazy, man.

• 34:13Joe Rogan?

  One of my favorite quotes is that Cleopatra was born closer to the age of the iPhone than she was to the construction of the pyramids.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Yes, and that's

• 34:22Joe Rogan?

  When you think about it that way, you're like, wait, what? What? For real? Like, that's just the conventional dating of the age of the pyramid, which is much discussed and debated.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Very much.

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  And probably should be. It really probably should be. You know, I know, I know people want to point to carbon dating, but the problem with that is that we know that people resurface things and they do touch-ups. In fact, they're doing touch-ups right now, ill-advised in my opinion, on the, the base of the Sphinx, where they've covered the feet. I, I think that's horrible.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  It's terrible. Um, I, I should have airdropped this to Jamie. I'll send it to him in a second. Uh, there's a image that I've got of, um, that was just sent to me that's pretty amazing. Uh, the, there's a wall of one of the magazines in one of the pyramids that has a bunch of those vases in it. And this wall is like, it collapses. And the magazine is the name for a room. Anyway, they reconstructed this room. They reconstructed the wall and it's got a, uh,

• 35:27Speaker 01

  A piece of one of those vases in the fucking wall. Like, right in the rubble that makes up the wall, and I could not, I just... Shit, I don't even have it saved, I'm sorry. Let me grab it real close. Sorry, I should've done this before.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  You're one of those dudes who uses a tiny little phone. Look at that little thing.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  I'm an old guy.

• 35:43Joe Rogan?

  Is that the iPhone Mini? Is that what that is? Or is that the SE or something like that?

• 35:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, the SE, I think. Something like that.

• 35:48Joe Rogan?

  How long's the battery life on that? Twenty minutes?

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Fourteen. Twenty minutes is about thirty extra. My son actually, he wanted an iPhone so bad, I got him an iPhone, had it for two years, and he's like, "Can I please have an Android? I'm so tired of having to charge my phone twice a day at schools."

• 36:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, the new iPhones last forever. The new iPhones, well, I think the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and the X24 Ultra have the longest battery life in comparison to iPhone. Like, you know, they do those tests where they play like The Avengers, and they'll play it like, non-stop, on a loop to see which battery dies out quicker.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:24Joe Rogan?

  The Androids last longer.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Well, that makes sense.

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  But it's not, but not by much. Like, you have to be a total psycho to go, "I have an Android, I have a Galaxy S24 Ultra, and I have an iPhone." I've never had one of them run out of batteries. If you charge it in the morning, you have to be a total psycho to have it have no battery life at the end of the day. You should go to a doctor. You have a real, real phone addiction.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  The only time I ever had that problem recently was when I went to the Met. I went to the Met Museum in New York, and that was, I burnt... I'd never, I was blown away by the artifacts and stuff, and ended up like, basically burning my phone into the ground in order...

• 37:04Joe Rogan?

  Just taking pictures? Yeah, you got a dead battery, son.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of amazing that batteries work at all, which, one of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad battery.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:16Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that's real? Is that, was that what that was? Or is there some debate? Let's, let's tell people what it, what it is. The Baghdad battery.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  It's a clay pot, there's a number of them. They're clay vessels, they have a... Copper and lead inside of them. And the way that the cap is and stuff, you could potentially fill them with orange juice or something like that, a minor acid, and get an electric charge from it. Now, it wouldn't be much of one, but you could do it. And that's, something that's worth noting right there is that you can, this has been, archaeologists have determined that, well, yeah, I mean, we don't like to admit it, but yes, these potentially could have been batteries, so. Like, there was a guy that do a debunking on it, that's a popular YouTuber, and another archaeologist came around and then kind of slapped him around a little bit, and he had to admit, he's like, "Okay, I didn't do my research good."

• 38:03Joe Rogan?

  So, this is the Baghdad Battery?

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:06Joe Rogan?

  What is the conventional explanation for what these things are?

• 38:09Speaker 01

  The conventional explanation is that they're pots. They really don't have like a good, solid debunking of it. Like, despite what it says there on the screen.

• 38:22Joe Rogan?

  But because of what, I mean, this is not speculative, right? Because of what the actual materials are, if you filled it with a minor acid, it would conduct electricity.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 38:33Joe Rogan?

  So, it does work.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it wouldn't make a lot, but it would make a little.

• 38:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, how much is a little? Like, enough to power a toothbrush?

• 38:41Speaker 01

  I don't think that much, but I know that, the reports anyway, was that a guy was able to make a very minor electroplating with it. And that would be the kind of thing that would be most likely applications, because other stuff requires serious.

• 38:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, so like, plating things with gold and stuff like that? Hmm, interesting. So, the real, the craziest theory of all, for sure, is the Christopher Dunn. The Christopher Dunn theory about the actual pyramid itself, he believes it's a massive power plant. And he believed that they were using some sort of chemicals and a certain frequency of like vibration to generate hydrogen with all the chambers and all. And you know, the way he describes it, it sounds very compelling because there's, I don't know what he's talking about. He might, he might be making it all up, right? So the way he's saying it sounds so interesting. I've never heard anybody try to break down whether or not what he's saying makes sense, though.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Well, I like Chris. I get along with him well. I talk to him on the phone probably a couple of times a month. He's, and he knows that I disagree with him. The thing that right off the bat, as an electrician, the first thing that stands out to me is the claim of getting piezoelectricity from the blocks, which piezoelectricity is the electricity you get from like a quartz crystal when you stress it. So like your watch or a charcoal igniter for a grill, right? You just, there's, the igniter is just a piece of quartz that they pop it with a little spring and a stick when you pop it. And it's got a piece of metal on each side and wires and that harnesses the charge. That's the first thing is each

• 40:17Speaker 01

  one of the quartz crystals in those big limestone blocks would have to have a piece of metal around it and wires coming off of it, or some, some way of harnessing the electricity. There's tons of natural electricity happens all the time, right? Tons of, but you have to harness it in order to do something with it.

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  Is this just our understanding of how to use electricity? And could there potentially be something that we missed?

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Well, it's, there's, there's definitely stuff we don't know about electricity. I mean, we'll start there. There's clearly things we don't know about. We're, we still have guys working on the shit all the time and they're making better and better semiconductors and whatnot all the time. But having said that, maybe, but at that point, it's, we're kind of like, my thinking on that is, is if we're going to say this is a technological thing and here's the way we get there, and then it's like, well, but we can't really do this. Well, couldn't it be something else? Well, at that point, why say that this is, why build a technological story from what we have? Why not just make shit up?

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg? Because if you have the technology to turn that thing into a gigantic electrical generator, where did you get the technology to build it? Like, what do you use? If this is the first one, if you figured, so that means you made more of these to make electricity to figure, or some other form of power. You did something. And that's what, to me, is so amazing about this, that no one can really look at it and go, oh, this is simple.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  No, no, even even if you just it's a tomb, it's a tomb alone, even those guys have to admit that it's not simple, right? But when you look at it from a potentially technological angle, I mean, there's Chris had put a lot of work into his theory. It's not, and it is intricate, and he's a very intelligent person. He is really, he's so smart that when I talk to him, I feel like, I feel like I'm talking to a guy a bit smarter than me, right? He's intelligent. But I don't agree with him on some of these things, and that's really, I think that's one of the reasons he likes me is because I'll be chill about it, just be like, yeah, you fucking charlatan.

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a really important point, and that's one of the things that I really do enjoy about your videos. When you disagree about something, you're very cordial about it, and I think that's important, because, you know, I've talked about this many times, but it's a real flaw with human beings. We attach ourselves to ideas, and we defend those ideas as if we're defending our worth as people. And it's stupid. And if you're wrong about something, it's just information. It should just be an idea. It shows far more about your flaws if you're willing to defend ideas that are clearly inaccurate.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  I couldn't agree with you more there. Thanks for the compliment, by the way, but yeah, I couldn't agree with you more there. It's a complete mess. And especially when it's science. That's where, it's where archaeology really can piss me off, because these guys, there's a lot of it that's just made up stuff, right? It's one thing to say, we know for a fact, this was carbon dated to X and blah. It's another thing to say, this looks like that, therefore it's this. That, I mean, that's the same, the guys say that about all kinds of shit, right? Oh, here's, these stones look like pillows, ergo, they must be concrete. Well, it's like, Jamie, could you show that stupid image with the anime face on it? I'm using this one to drive that point home, that the pareidolia is not, just because it looks like something does not fucking mean that.

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  The paridolia?

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a paridolia is when you see see something in the clouds or whatever.

• 43:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Just because something looks like something doesn't mean that this is the way to suss what a fucking ancient artifact is.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this one is the image of the the eyes of is the eyes of Horus, is that what that is?

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:56Joe Rogan?

  And then, so there's a lot of weird speculation as to what that means, right? And some people think it means the pineal gland.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of of speculation about that, agreed. But we my my point is, obviously, we can't just assume that, oh, well, because it looks like some anime girl, it's they ancient Egyptians were all.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  But that's. One of the best ones is that the image of someone holding up something that either is a basket or it looks like some sort of frequencies are emanating from some device.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one's interesting.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, maybe it's a basket. It doesn't look like a basket, though. It looks looks like some you're trying to indicate something.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. It does look like they're trying to, at the very least.

• 44:35Joe Rogan?

  And there's the other ones with the the is long phallus looking tubes that's that that seem to be some sort of energy source or something.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Well, a lot of and a lot of them have that, like, pyramid shape on their on their crotch, right?

• 44:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Just like this big straight and it's not it doesn't look phallic, but I mean, it it kind of implies it, but it it imply almost like it's a like it's symbolism for something, right?

• 44:57Joe Rogan?

  Those long tube ones, see if you could find those, how would you describe that? Like, if he's gonna search for it?

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Um, energy emanating from it there.

• 45:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's yes, this is one of the hardest things about this is trying to find.

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  Bam, he found it.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Oh, damn. Oh, so then there are lights, that's yes, derp.

• 45:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so like, what the hell is that?

• 45:17Speaker 01

  That's, uh, yeah, there they some people think it's then that's an actual light bulb. That's a bong to the left. Um, some people think that that's a that's a light bulb.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, like, what is that supposed to be? What the hell is that supposed to be? There's it looks like a serpent inside of it.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's there it, uh, the mainstream thing is that it's like a symbol of of life and, uh, like, that's the I forget which which plant that is, but.

• 45:42Joe Rogan?

  What's that thing above it, too? What are those little that? Yeah, what the hell's that?

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Well, it looks like writing of some sort, but I'm not sure what it says.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  That's one of the, my main hopes for AI, that AI will get so sophisticated that can start deciphering these things in a more meaningful way. In a way where you could use, you know, these large language models, like if, if we get like some, you know, like they have the Rosetta Stone, and the Rosetta Stone allowed them to decipher a lot of the ancient hieroglyphs. If they could get some sort of much more comprehensive analysis of what they were trying to say with this stuff.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  That would be nice.

• 46:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. If it's even possible, I mean, I'm just guessing.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, that's.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  Dendera light.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  It might be something that they can pull off. It's, you know, AI is a tough one, you'd have to ask Elon, that's more his neck of the woods than mine, but.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  So it's part of, it references part of the Egyptian creation myth?

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Yes, the, the water lily, or the, the lotus flower was, that came out of.

• 46:44Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. It's so weird.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  It is, their, their iconography is weird, that's one of the reasons I was taking so many pictures at the, at the Met, it was just like, just, it's, so many things are just weird, just fucking weird. You just look at it, you're like, this does not.

• 47:01Joe Rogan?

  It's so old, so old and so weird, it's like, we don't even know what their language sounded like, which is also amazing.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 47:10Joe Rogan?

  It's like, I just, of all the places in the world where I could go back in time and observe, you know, just, somehow, uh, undetected, you know, if you get a, a, like a, a, some sort of a sphere of time, that could place you in a place where you would, you wouldn't disturb anything, but you could observe, that's what I, like, what was going on?

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, how'd they do that?

• 47:34Joe Rogan?

  What did it look like? What did their culture look like? What did the people look like when they were going about their, their daily tasks? You know, we used to think there was slaves that built the pyramid, now they think, no, they were skilled workers.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  And they think that based on what their diet was, and they were eating good food, and these, these people were well taken care of, that were involved in working around that area, so like, who are they? What was it, what was it all about?

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's one of the things that, um, that, they, when they say that it's not slaves that built it, that kind of makes me chuckle, because, yeah, we know that they had, you know, well-fed people that worked there. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they were the only people that worked there. I mean, if you go down to construction over here, you're gonna have a guy that's eating at Zip or eating at freaking Burger King or whatever, and you're gonna have another guy who's eating a $300 lunch, and they're gonna be working the same job site. Right. So, but, but. Also, probably a lot of them didn't.

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• 50:05Speaker 01

  Wanna work there? They were forced into it, which makes you a slave. That's a fair point. If you pay slaves well, they're still slaves. They're still slaves. If you kill them when they leave, they're slaves. That's right. It's like you have a job to do no matter what you wanna do. Oh, you wanna become a musician? Fuck off. Go push that rock. Push the rock. I push it some more. You know what? That one is another.

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  We're never going to stop being fascinated by the people of the past that we don't understand. And I think, again, the best example of that is Egypt.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's where, like, we were talking about how the archaeology and the archaeologists and pseudo guys will argue with each other so much about, and they get so bad-blooded about it. It's like, man, I talked about this a little bit last time, but there's really, I see this two distincts, like, halves of the human psyche at work in this, in this regard. You can almost see the distinction in the way that scientists tend to be antisocial. They're not, and maybe antisocial might not be the right word, but they're just a little fucking weird, man. They're the kind of guys that they dress weird, they talk weird, they act weird, they just come across fucking weird.

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  You're talking about Fendebel?

• 51:10Speaker 01

  I'm talking about all scientists, in general. But yes, he would be one of them, but he's not the only one. Like, John Hoops is a great example of this, too. If you watch him, the way he carries himself, the way he talks, he's just fucking weird. And he, look at Einstein, did you watch that guy? He carried himself fucking weird.

• 51:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. My friend Chris Williamson has a very interesting take on that that I think is very accurate. He said, "If you expect regular people to get extraordinary results, you're being silly. You're gonna get weird people that are gonna get weird results."

• 51:41Speaker 01

  That's exactly right. I agree with you. Now, I'm more scientifically literate, I think, than most of the people that I know. So, and I kind of feel like, like Shane Gillis jokes about being nicked by the Down syndrome thing. I feel like I was nicked by that antisocial thing. I walk into a bar, and if I don't know anybody, my first instinct is just to go sit in the corner and watch.

• 52:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, that's part of the problem with being intelligent. You're worried that you're gonna get dragged into a dumbass conversation.

• 52:11Joe Rogan?

  It won't be stimulating, it's the opposite of stimulating.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Oh, it's terrible, yeah. But if you sit in the corner and watch, well, then you look like the weird old guy creeping in from the fucking corner. So you just go sit at the bar and talk to people, but...

• 52:23Speaker 01

  I I'm aware that, you know, I can be a little off that way.

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Uh, but these guys, they're, every now and again, one of them will show up that's like Carl Sagan. Now, this guy, he can, he's, he's just a regular Joe. He could talk to everybody and he happens to be a fucking great scientist. Um, and, uh, you know, he got a lot of shit from his colleagues for that. He got a lot of shit from his colleagues for taking the time to talk to the peasants.

• 52:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  But it, and the way he did it wasn't abrasive, you know, if, if somebody asked him about aliens, if they're like, man, you know, wha- what, what do you think was the aliens were up to over on Alpha Centauri? What kind of technology you think they have? And that's almost his initial response would be like, you know, he's thinking, how the fuck am I supposed to know?

• 53:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  But then he, well, you know, Alpha Centauri is about a billion years older than our star. So if you were to assume that they were around for a billion years longer than us and had the same stuff, and so he, he would entertain them.

• 53:13Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  And then he would do things, he would interject a little bit of science when they would ask a question. He would answer it and make sure that there was a little science in that. So the people that really didn't give a fuck about learning about the science, they just want to talk about UFOs.

• 53:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Spoonful of sugar and the fucking medicine went down, you're walking out with some science in your head, bitch, like it or not.

• 53:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's being a science educator, right? Which is very important.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  And very rare.

• 53:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  For them to be good. It's very rare for them to be good.

• 53:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The, um, have you seen the, the recent images that they got from Mars of that big square?

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:48Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is that?

• 53:50Speaker 01

  I, I, it's one of those things where, uh, I was talking to Jamie just before the show, it's, it is a bad day to be a professional skeptic, I'm telling you what. If this, you've been making the last, you're living the last 20 years poo pooing all the aliens and UFO shit and whatnot, man, oh, man, is it a rough day for you? Because that same shit was Lidar from the South American forest. You'd be like, yeah, there's probably a village there. It makes sense.

• 54:11Joe Rogan?

  This is even more clear than Lidar, right?

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. It's, it's super square. Yeah.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  Jamie pulled a photo of it up. This is super recent, right?

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, just a few days ago.

• 54:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  I think they found it recently. I think it's been online for a while.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's what I was reading.

• 54:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so there's, is it that there's a mass of data that they scanned from the surface and then someone just detected this recently?

• 54:32Speaker 02

  I think someone just found it on the website.

• 54:34Joe Rogan?

  It might be one of those things, it's like, who is going to go by hand over each one of these images? And, I mean, you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet that's, what is it, like, three quarters of the size of Earth?

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Uh, that, I think that might even be a little small than-

• 54:50Joe Rogan?

  Smaller than that?

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's, I think it's, yeah, I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong.

• 54:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, so, something smaller than Earth-

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:58Joe Rogan?

  But bigger than the moon, and you're gonna go over the entire surface of it.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  It's a lot.

• 55:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and this, I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between three hundred kilo- three hundred meters and multiple kilometers. They don't know how big it is. You know, it's because it's like, it's hard to get a reference.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  So I think the estimate is, at the very smallest, it's several hundred meters across. So this thing, this square, it's really crazy. Because it's right angle, right angle, right angle, right angle.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and doesn't look to be, uh, very asymmetrical either.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Like, they added that square so you can see it better. It's like, superimposed on that one.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this is the original image. Just this alone, you're like, what the fuck is that?

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Like I said, if, if you were to tell me that was a LIDAR picture from South America, I'd be like, okay.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just too convenient that it makes a square. It just seems so weird.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  It is.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  It's, and then there's another image that goes along with this, that's even more bizarre. Maybe not even more bizarre, but it's like, almost looks like a cone, like a cone structure that's emanating from the surface, like, surrounded by a circle.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:10Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen that one?

• 56:11Speaker 01

  I haven't seen that one, but I've, I've seen people talking about a few things like that.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, um, it's real weird stuff. And no one has, like, the, the face on Mars was real interesting. I got really into Richard Hoagland and all his Sidonia stuff for a while, but he was making some very bizarre measurements, like, if you go one half of the distance between this and three quarters of the way between that's exact number that takes a, like, what do you, but, but, but don't do that. How about don't do that?

• 56:40Speaker 01

  Don't do that.

• 56:40Joe Rogan?

  How about don't just fucking arbitrarily look for some sort of-

• 56:44Speaker 01

  I, I did that in a video once, kind of being a dick, making fun of the idea that there's all this data encoded in the vases. I have no problem with the idea of the vases being like, you know, proof that these guys were, you know, they're definitely fucking exacting and whatnot. But, uh, the idea that they've like hidden data.

• 57:00Joe Rogan?

  Is that the Sidonia face?

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Uh, I guess it's right by the square.

• 57:05Joe Rogan?

  What? Really?

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  I guess, right? Is that what that's saying?

• 57:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, it says the giant square structure just a short hike from the legendary face on Mars. Holy shit.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  How did they miss that? They were concentrating on the face, which is like, it might be a face, might not be. To me, the original images, yeah, look really wild. But then the images afterwards were like, oh no, it's just the weird light hitting it in a certain way. And you can find plenty of structures on Earth that will do a similar thing.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 57:38Joe Rogan?

  But.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  I was, I saw this too.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 57:43Speaker 02

  Uh, this weird shit they're finding, like sticking out.

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you find weird shit in nature. That, that's not as compelling as the other one. There was something that looked like a cone. So, the actual image when they got, what is that dirty stuff?

• 57:59Joe Rogan?

  Horrible feed that you.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  I just typed in Mars photo.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Time for a bathroom break.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Twitter.

• 58:03Joe Rogan?

  What's wrong with Twitter? I know, it is kinda wild that Twitter has like hardcore porn on it.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it always has.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, very weird. I'm not complaining. Do whatever you want. I'm, I'm all for doing whatever you want. But this original tract of images, it's a long one, and if you scroll through it, one of them is, uh, some very bizarre looking cone-like structure. That's it. That's it.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, yeah, that is weird.

• 58:30Joe Rogan?

  Very weird. Like, what's that? I mean, it could be just a mountain, but it looks like a zit.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  It does, it's, it is.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  And the fact that it's so close to that other thing?

• 58:40Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  That's what's screwing.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  There's the face too.

• 58:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The faces in it, they're all, yeah, so it's all this one area that's been studied for a long time as being, that there's a bunch of different things there that you can interpret as being some sort of a structure.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Well, Jimmy was sharing that video in, uh, in response to this, the Buzz Aldrin, saying that there's like a.

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  Monolith.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  A monolith on the moon, yeah. I hadn't seen that before, I mean, I'd. Embarrassingly hadn't, I've always been a little out of the UFO side of things. I've always watched it, but always, you know, just a little bit. I'm all, I'm usually looking at pyramids and shit.

• 59:14Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't you like to feed Buzz Aldrin some mushrooms and say, tell me what you know?

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Dude, yeah.

• 59:18Joe Rogan?

  Tell me what you really know.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I like.

• 59:20Joe Rogan?

  Did you really go?

• 59:21Speaker 01

  I like the clip when he punches that fucking dude.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  Buzz, yeah, wow, yeah, that guy.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  You're a liar.

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He needs to work on his punch.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:32Joe Rogan?

  Had a clean shot and didn't do much damage.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  It was zero gravity training.

• 59:35Joe Rogan?

  His bones are deteriorated from being in space for so long. That is a wild thing that does happen to them. Takes forever for your body to get back to normal.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to think that like, that stress is needed, like you, if you don't have those kinds of stresses in your life, that like your body just.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which fucks up the whole Superman myth. Cause Superman came over here, his body would deteriorate.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  After a while, he'd be just like us.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Poor guy.

• 1:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Right? Wouldn't he work? You can't just fly.

• 1:00:04Joe Rogan?

  But obviously cartoons.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  No x-ray vision, but of it.

• 1:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all those things. Um, the ability to go so fast, you could spin time backwards, memories, back the opposite direction.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  Same Willis Lane, yes. Water goes up the hill.

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, i- if you could somehow or another make sense out of the possibility that a civilization existed on Mars and was wiped out millions and millions of years ago. That would change the way we think about everything. And I feel like that square is one step closer to like really needing a comprehensive analysis of what's there.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Joe Rogan?

  Because before it was just like, oh, it's a lifeless planet, but at one time it had an atmosphere. Interesting. Oh, they found frozen water. Oh, interesting. Well, they actually found liquid water now.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Joe Rogan?

  More interesting. Now they found a big square. Okay. What's that?

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:59Joe Rogan?

  That one to me is the what's that?

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  And this is where in my mind, the, uh, this is where the, the, that skeptics versus dreamers thing gets really fucked because.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  The answer should be the same for everybody. Let's just, next expedition, let's poke around a little up there, right?

• 1:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  Let's, let's find out the evidence. But, uh, the answer is always, from one side, it's definitely this, from the other side, it's definitely not. Not completely, but that, to the point where we don't get to draw a parallel with that Yanaguni, the site, the underwater site that Graham Hancock likes to talk about. The skeptics are certain that it's a geological formation, uh, most of the other people are not, um, we need work done. That's the, the clear fucking answer is just put some money at it, put some bodies on it, and until then, the answer, in my mind, is when somebody asks me, what do I think about Yanaguni? I say, well, it's interesting, you know, it's probably been eroded for a long time, so it might be man-made and just looks naturally, it might be natural. We need more evidence before I'm gonna hang my hat anywhere.

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  And that's-

• 1:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Which is very reasonable.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  And, and in all honesty, it should be the scientific position, it should be the position that the scientists are espousing. If they wanted to have credibility in this sphere, they should be the ones towing that line, and then let the pyramid idiots all be certain, and this is how we know it was, and the scientists can look, but instead, they get in the mud and act just like everybody else.

• 1:02:23Joe Rogan?

  They, they also stall progress with their arrogance. They stall, they stall progress by dismissing any possibility. Like, um, what are those ones, is it near the Bahamas? Those enormous stones that are on the floor? The surface of the ocean?

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  The Bimini Road?

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  That one's weird. Like, if you don't think that's weird, like, come on.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Well, like, and, and they're right, that is, I, I would agree with a geologist that there's a really good chance that it's just beach rock. However, we can do work.

• 1:02:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  This is the stuff, it's like, other people that, you know, if you say that the rocks are geopolymers and saxehuaman or whatever-

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  It's like, there's no reason for us to argue about this, man. We just fucking do some work.

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. The Bimini Road was really interesting. There's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find under the, under the water that makes you think, okay, what is this? And the Yanaguni thing, like, i- if that's the case, see, that, to me, that could easily be natural.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  When I'm looking at it right there. That easily could be natural. They're not uniform enough to for bells to go off.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:29Joe Rogan?

  You know. But that one, lower right, that one, uh, right below that, Jamie, right below your cursor to the right. That one freaks me out a little. That seems like those are stacked.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. It seems very much like that.

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  And when you're dealing with. If you want to go really crazy with the like the John Anthony West version of it, which is like thirty thousand plus years. That's probably what you would have left over.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's you're accurate there. That's, um, there's a thought tool that archaeologists use called the, uh, Sol- the Solurian hypothesis. And Solurian's like this Doctor Who bad guy that was, uh, went into hibernation. They're lizards. They went into hibernation like before the dinosaurs died out and then they wake up one day and there's all these monkeys running around on their planet and so. But that's the Doctor Who thing, right? But the Solurian hypothesis is basically a thought tool for archaeologists and historians to say, well, if there was a advanced civilization on Earth ten million years ago. What will we need to find in order for it to exist?

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  And, uh, what would we find, um, now, ten million years later? And the answer is usually like radioactive material. It's like, but ten million years, man, you, I mean, you might find a couple of bones, but the odds of finding anything that's going to actually prove that they had technology.

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Not much.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  That's also the problem with the idea of this very sophisticated construction methods of the pyramids that were using some sort of advanced technology like what would? If John Anthony West is correct, um, and he's talking about thirty plus thousand years. What would be left after thirty thousand years? Well, certainly not much metal.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  No. Oh, no, that's, that stuff would be looted right away. Um.

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  And even if it wasn't, what would be actually left of it if it was just like sitting on the ground?

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  Be rotted and, and melted and.

• 1:05:17Joe Rogan?

  To nothing.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  The, uh, the video that you sent me yesterday, the, uh, the one with the, the stone nubs, the, um. They talked about holes.

• 1:05:26Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Um, all those, I can't say for all of the sites, but like the Colosseum and stuff, they used metal to bond the, the bricks together and the concrete together in places. So, years later, when the city's under attack and they need metal to make swords, they looted it. That's recorded.

• 1:05:43Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Um, and it happened a lot, a lot in the Roman world, um, so.

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad you brought up the nubs.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:48Joe Rogan?

  Because the nubs, um, uh, that was one of the videos that I watched of yours yesterday, um, where, for, what we're talking about, folks, is there's many places like Machu Picchu, there's, uh, what, what other places have nubs?

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Oh, all over the place.

• 1:06:02Joe Rogan?

  Even that Montana thing, which is weird.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  You, you'll see them on, uh, Egyptian sarcophagi, you'll see them on the casings, uh, unfinished casing stones at the bottom of Menkara's pyramid. Uh, you'll see them, basically, almost every megalithic site on the planet has some nubs somewhere. All the ones, if they're finished blocks, you'll usually find nubs somewhere.

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  And do you think that it's possible that those nub, there's the nubs, those nubs were used to hoist things up and move them into place?

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, absolutely. I, I, I mean, they, they, there's a technique called a lifting boss, um, that, that's used, uh, to lift big things like that. But there's a couple of issues, um, with that, uh, being the only reason that they're used. Uh, for one, a lot of times they're small like that and they wouldn't really do you much good. Um, for two, a lot of times we see them like on the lids of a, of a coffin, for example, which you wouldn't want to leave it there afterwards because you don't want to facilitate the next guy to be able to pop the coffin lid, right?

• 1:06:57Joe Rogan?

  You, you say that they're small, but if you were trying to place something exactly and you were lifting it up from the bottom, the only way you would be able to do that is if you had something like a nub sticking on the outside of it.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, in order to catch a, a rope or keep it from walking or something like that.

• 1:07:11Joe Rogan?

  Or whatever it is, boards or whatever you're using to lift that and place it into position.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, yeah, there's, like I say, there's, um, they, they are. Lifting bosses are a thing. They're not, uh, it's not unknown. Um, and there's a, there's a good possibility, I mean, there's not a good possibility, quite certainly, quite frequently, these were used for that.

• 1:07:34Joe Rogan?

  And interesting also that the bottom stones don't have them.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Hmm. That's, um, the fact, a lot of people do bring up a good point. I didn't talk about it in my video, uh, but it's interesting point is that why did they get left? Now, like that one around the windows there, like to me, that's pretty clearly, um, uh, to the left, Jamie, sorry. That one, yeah, the one's got, that one's pretty clearly to me, uh, like, that's functional, right? I mean, they're, they're.

• 1:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Right. That looks like maybe like stopped, had an iron gate attached to or something.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Veranda or some shit, right? Smoking balcony. But, uh, uh, some of them, on the other hand, they look, uh, a lot more questionable. Okay, like, like, uh.

• 1:08:15Joe Rogan?

  Those are odd.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you. They're just, they're just fucking weird. And, um, uh, and sometimes you see them on, on things that don't, like the, the, the stone was carved in the ground and they left these on.

• 1:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, Jamie, to the one a little bit higher with the red tint to it, upper right hand side, upper right, right above that, yeah, click on that. Like, that is so strange.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  See, and, and now like, uh, stones like these, you don't really need a lifting boss. Okay, you got like that, look at that stone that's on the right there, that's all, uh, the one to the left, that guy there. You could just use that lip on the corner, right, right above, right below the cursor, you could use that lip for a lifting boss. You could tie a rope around that thing and put it, push it wherever the fuck you want it. Um.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, but if you wanted to get it to sit down without having to pull out whatever's underneath it, or whatever underneath it getting crushed, wouldn't you want something to assist you like that little nub?

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  No, yeah, you, yeah, well, you, but again, you could just pop it into the corner on the side and do the same thing.

• 1:09:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, but if you were doing that as a method for each individual stone, and some of them you couldn't pop in like that.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, I can go with that.

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? Like it would be a technique that you would use to hoist these things into position. Does anybody have an explanation? This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Look, it's good to prepare for the future. But when you start over analyzing what's happening around you, dreaming up every hypothetical situation of what could happen, that's when it gets dangerous. You can start to hyper-fixate and stress out and all over things that haven't even happened. That's no good for current you or future you. If you're struggling to stay in the present and out of your head, try talking with a quality therapist from BetterHelp. They have psychologists, family

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

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• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's the lifting bosses, what the mainstream explanation is, that all of them were for that. And there's, again, there's, it's the ubiquity that really makes it different to me. It's like, and they're popping up on different sides of the ocean. And that's where it just seems kind of weird. It's like, for it to show up, that's looking so similar, used so similar, all over the place, left behind when they're done, that's kind of weird, too.

• 1:11:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, they didn't polish them down.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  They didn't polish them down, yeah. The rest of the walls, a lot of times, I mean, the stones are fitted so well together, clearly they knew how to make these stones flat as fuck. Why is this part still got this big tit hanging off of it? It's just, it's weird.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Despite the title of my video saying the true purpose, that's just clickbait, nobody knows.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  There's the best mainstream explanation would be lifting bosses. The most common alternate history explanation is usually like, it's like a leftover from the concrete being pulled out like the guy in the video was saying, or it's like if you have a bag of concrete and it's just like the one little spot that kind of seeps out. I don't think that they're from geopolymers, but.

• 1:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've heard the concrete explanation too, as far as the stones in the Great Pyramid, but.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, no. We can test, again, we can test these things. That's where some of the guys that claim that everything's geopolymers will pretend that we can't test things, but the reality is we absolutely can test that for that kind of shit. I mean, it's not difficult at all, actually. So, the problem is, and this is where it gets, like you said, the archaeologists stand between things. The problem is, is that in certain places in the world, like Peru, for example, and Bolivia, it's fucking hard to get.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Look at those alien bodies right down in Peru, right?

• 1:12:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Okay?

• 1:12:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we've been looking at them.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sure you have, and the scientists keep saying they're real, but the only fucking scientists I ever see weighing in on them are Peruvian scientists. It's like, okay, let some people from around the world. Oh, no, no, no, fuck you guys, it's yours.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Alright, man, that's.

• 1:12:43Joe Rogan?

  But is that like a hyper-exaggerated version of the Boneyard?

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  It could, it could be.

• 1:12:47Joe Rogan?

  With deeper implications?

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  It could be, but we've seen a lot of the same kind of stuff with them with.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  They have a problem in Peru with archaeology and corruption with the money. Like, I don't know if you saw my video on the elongated skulls, but.

• 1:13:03Joe Rogan?

  I didn't.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  Okay, that video, I just covered basically how those things came in these big bundles. Okay, they'd get these grave bags, and there'd be a body in there, and so they harvested a couple, I think it's like 600 of these bundles, and. Every time, they just get opened and willy-nilly shit get moved around. Rockefeller ends up trading for a few of them and into finance, because they didn't have finances to store these things properly.

• 1:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Rockefeller got some of those heads?

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Oh, oh yeah. And we don't know how many exactly. Reportedly just four. But like, he gives the money to these people to like restore all these mummies. And the first thing that they do is they restore a bunch of textiles that other mummies that they don't have anymore were like packed in and shit. It's just, even all the way up into the sixties, an anthropologist opened like seventy some odd bundles, recorded what he found in four of them and put the rest back on the fucking shelf. They've been stealing artifacts and selling them on the open market. It's all about money.

• 1:14:04Joe Rogan?

  So really, rich people, like some billionaire guy goes, "I want a mummy. What do I gotta get to? I want a mummy room in my castle."

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  "I want one with a head. I want one with a really weird head. Which one's got the best head? Let's open sixty." Okay. And that's just the Cusco tunnels. They just, this one's so fucked. They just announced, this January, archaeologists have discovered that there are tunnels running under Cusco in Peru. They connect the Temple of the Sun to the Fortress of Sacsehuamán and some other places around there. "Oh, this is crazy. It's gonna be great, man. We did all this light arts. It's gonna be amazing. Amazing discovery."

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  Fucking Brian Forrester uploaded a video like eleven years ago of him going on a tour of those tunnels. You could pay a guide twenty years ago to go on a tour of those tunnels. They fucking were, the Spanish were writing about them in the sixteen hundreds, in the late fifteen hundreds. The only reason that we didn't investigate these tunnels is because in the thirties was when archaeology started becoming a thing and going down there and checking out those skulls and shit. And at the exact same time, Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce was like, "You know those tunnels that are supposed to be down there? I bet they were built by the Atlanteans." And so, ever since then, archaeologists have poo-pooed it. There was a guy in the two thousands that, he's an Atlantis hunter. He did ground penetrating radar in early two thousands, found those tunnels. They rejected his work. He had a priest that witnessed those tunnels, has been down in them. He was rejected out of hand.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Although, but, but that, that, but that's okay because 25 years later, we found it. I, I promise they didn't steal or sell anything in the last hundred years. That the world knew that these things existed. Rich people were going down there and throwing money around and there was zero safeguards. It's just like, so to circle back to the UFO, there's the aliens there. It's like, I have a real problem with that shit in Peru because I can't, I, it's just so tainted. It's so corrupt.

• 1:15:50Joe Rogan?

  It's so weird too. I mean, I love looking at it. I wish it was real, but that to me is always the problem whenever it comes to alien stuff. I want it to be real. So that part of my brain, I have to go, hey, stupid. Let's, let's, just because this is an X-ray doesn't mean this is legit. By the way, I can make you a fake X-ray pretty easy online these days. It wouldn't be hard at all. But these X-rays are so compelling that if they are legitimate X-rays, if someone really did just piece this together with a bunch of random bones. What a fantastic job they did because it doesn't look awkward at all. It looks real.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  It, the, the thing, the thing about them that looks the fakest is just the photograph of the bodies themselves. Everything else looks fucking pretty legit.

• 1:16:34Joe Rogan?

  Right. If the X-rays are real.

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:37Joe Rogan?

  And this, this is part of the problem. But the X-rays that they show, that they say are real, God, they look so cool. I mean, you see the three fingered hands. You see the bones look similar to ours, but different. You know, there's enough of it that's similar to a human beings and it is some sort of a bipedal. You know, hominid like creature, whatever it is.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  And we know, I mean, like we know that humans existed with a bunch of other hominids on this planet for a long time. So it wouldn't be like for us to discover a new species of, even if they weren't aliens, wouldn't be crazy.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  If they were like way more advanced than us, but they wiped, got wiped out. That's, you know, there's versions of us that aren't as good as us, that aren't here anymore. Right? So we have Homo sapiens, Denisovans they didn't discover until a decade or so ago.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Joe Rogan?

  Right? So then there's a bunch of different versions of human beings that weren't as good as us and we're the ones that. Maybe ones were better. And maybe the ones that were better didn't make it.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Joe Rogan?

  Cause we almost didn't make it a ton of times.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and a lot of it doesn't it's we're not it's you could say, well, why did we? Some people would think at that point, why did we make it and the ones that were better not? If that's the case, but we're not in direct competition with each other to survive necessarily. It's also with mother nature and all these other things.

• 1:17:57Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  So like you just wrong place, wrong time, species gets wiped out, sorry.

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie?

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  It's about the, I'm reading an article about the mummies right now and this popped up.

• 1:18:06Joe Rogan?

  Metal metallic plates have been found throughout other areas of the mummy's bodies. From the interior covering some of the bones to external attachments on the skin. Forming a bi-functional implant with no signs of rejection. These poly metal, poly metallic plates have been analyzed using a light-based measurement, revealing an alloy compound of copper, cadmium, osmium, aluminum, gold and silver, he added. Notably, the silver has a purity of over 95%, which is rare in nature. Additionally, cadmium and osmium, osmium relatively recent discoveries are currently used in satellite communication and satellite structures.

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  This is what they're telling us though.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  One of them was found, that's the one.

• 1:18:47Joe Rogan?

  This is a Daily Mail article?

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. This is a Daily Mail article?

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  It is a Daily Mail article.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  Said one was pregnant, I think that's the one.

• 1:18:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Yo.

• 1:18:56Joe Rogan?

  Get in my belly. They still fuck? That's kinda crazy. They don't have dicks. How's it pregnant? Right? Shouldn't they be farming that off to a test tube if they've gotten past intercourse?

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Do it like octopi and just.

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Um, the, the really weird ones were the, um, the x-rays of the body in that position. Where you see all the skull and the, the way the skull was formed and the way the fingers are formed. It's very weird, weird, weird stuff.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  3D reconstruction of one hand?

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:19:27Joe Rogan?

  Super weird stuff.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is pretty wild. It's.

• 1:19:31Joe Rogan?

  If it's real, but if it's just somebody's art project, you fuckers.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  I read that, so I read that the art project was the little, small ones.

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the small ones supposedly have been debunked.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  Said that they have hundreds of them, apparently.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Okay. What do we have to give you? Trump, get on it. Tell Trump.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Scrap that, scrap that.

• 1:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Turns out they're aliens.

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  We no longer want an expedition to Ethiopia, scrap that one. We want the bodies.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Imagine. Well, we need a bunch of expeditions. We need answers, you know? We need someone who is like at a high position of the White House that's interested in this stuff.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  That would be very nice, in honesty.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Like, find one of them things, bring it to America, and let's do a livestream of scientists actually analyzing it. So it doesn't get gate-keebed at all. We just get a chance to see, like, show the whole world what this is.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  They did that with a couple of the bundles. They tried to with a couple of the bundles in the 50s. There was an anthropologist that opened up two of them on, on video. And when I was researching for my video, I found that those movie reels are lost. Nobody knows where they went. They just disappeared. Big fucking shock. Uh, there's a newspaper article that recorded what she found in one of them. Um, that newspaper article's not in their archives. It is, it's, it's, it just stinks. It just stinks. It's like I, I am not. Oh, yeah. It's, I'm not a conspiratorial type of person, but I'm not stupid either, right? Pretty clear fucking conspiracy there.

• 1:20:59Joe Rogan?

  So what was supposedly the synopsis of her article?

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  She was just talking about what she found inside of one of those mummy bundles with the elongated skulls and the artifacts that would be in it, the grave goods and stuff.

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  The thing about the elongated skulls is that some of them have a larger capacity, which is interesting. So it's not simply, like, we know that there's a technique that they do with young children where they put boards on the side of their heads and they flatten their head out. You can actually form someone's head, but that's not necessarily what was being done here.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  No, it, there's, uh, the, the kind of nuanced argument is that some of them were legitimate aliens or other species or whatever. And then some of them were people trying to emulate that with their, their own shit kids.

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  Right. Like, that it was a status symbol to have that elongated head, so people tried to fake it. And pretend, maybe it was just a genetic anomaly, right?

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Some sort of bizarre, like, we, we, we talked about this, the people that are born, there's a certain tribe in Africa where a bunch of them have only two toes. And they look like ostrich feet, have you seen that?

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  No, I haven't, that's crazy.

• 1:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Jamie can find it, it's, uh, real weird, so it's, uh, some genetic anomaly that, uh, like, a lot of people have there, it's not really, it's not rare. There's a photo of a bunch of them sitting there with their feet up, like, that's what their, their toes look like, yeah. And so there's quite a few people that have this genetic anomaly with their toes.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, very strange.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  That is.

• 1:22:29Joe Rogan?

  So they have two enormous toes, so their feet are completely different than ours.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and there's quite a few people that have that. Now, you could imagine that a similar genetic anomaly could take place with the shape of the skull.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:22:44Joe Rogan?

  If you could develop people that were a bunch of them, or it's a, a gene that can spread, like, you can pass it on, that you could have something where people had a larger head.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:55Joe Rogan?

  And a weird shaped head.

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would, and if it offered any sort of, of advantage at all, you know, you, and you might think, well, how could that be, it's, you know, obviously a, a problem, but if it, if it offered any sort of advantage, like, the, uh, you know, the Galapagos Islands, right?

• 1:23:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  The iguanas there that go down and swim in the water and eat moss off the bottom, y'all got webbed feet. So, it stands to reason to me that whatever happened that isolated Galapagos and made it a shitty place to try to find food for an iguana, you got one of these iguanas, it's a little mutant McNugget running around, and he's got webbed toes already, and he's like, fuck, man, nobody wants to hang out with me because I look all weird. But then this happens, and all of a sudden, he's the only guy that can consistently get food, it's, you know, um, that kind of.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Disadvantage turns advantage overnight kind of thing.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, those weird adaptations take place quicker than they thought. And a good example of that is the Congo. You know, there's parts of the Congo where, there was an amazing BBC documentary about it. It was a multiple-disc CD, DVD, rather, thing that I had back in the day. And this Congo documentary, one of the things they found was there's a lot of plains animals that got trapped in the Congo. So the Congo, because of the change of the climate there, at one point in time, it was plains. So it was grasslands. So you have all these antelope and all these different animals that normally exist in these open, wide areas, but they're jammed into a rainforest now and they've adapted.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  And one of the animals that adapted is the diker. So the diker is a small antelope that can swim underwater for as much as a hundred yards and eats fish.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  Wow, okay.

• 1:24:39Joe Rogan?

  So this thing that lived out in the plains, like all the other little antelopes, now can fucking swim and dives underwater and can swim a hundred yards underwater.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 1:24:50Joe Rogan?

  And eats fish.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 1:24:52Joe Rogan?

  So this weird adaptation that takes place just in the Congo. Yeah. Which is just like incredibly vital environment that so much diversity of life exists in.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  That's weird. It's weird, but it's crazy, like how ubiquitous those things can be. Like, you know Madagascar and the lemurs? Lemurs basically like have all these evolutionary niches in Madagascar filled in. Like, instead of a woodpecker, there's a lemur with a big ass fucking finger. And he tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.

• 1:25:24Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can look that guy up if you want, Jamie.

• 1:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  Madagascar's got, almost every major evolutionary niche is filled by a lemur.

• 1:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a fucking lemur island, man. It's just, like, the different kind of lemurs on Madagascar are all over the place. It's not every single one, but like woodpeckers. There's no fucking woodpeckers there. The insect-eating birds are not birds, they're lemurs.

• 1:25:49Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  The whole, the whole island is...

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  Look at that.

• 1:25:54Joe Rogan?

  Look at those fucking claws. How weird. That looks fake.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  The eye eye, there's.

• 1:26:02Joe Rogan?

  The finger of death, the world's most demonic lemur is also its most endangered. Meet the creature with the ugliest finger on the planet. What does it look like, the full version of it? Whoa, look at his eyes. What a cool looking creature.

• 1:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's a lemur.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  That looks like something from like Lord of the Rings. That does not even look like a real creature.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's uh, evolution's crazy that way. And um, it's like uh.

• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, look at that little fucker.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  You get a great example of like uh, like you probably heard them say that uh, like the dinosaurs get wiped out and allowed mammals the opportunity to take over the planet. Like otherwise mammals would have just been a bunch of shrews running around in the grass. And that's, that, that exact kind of thing, it's like, that lemur ain't gonna out compete woodpeckers, but he don't have to. So, he gets to take off and do his thing.

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Cause there are no woodpeckers there. Yeah, so something fills that niche.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  Exactly, so we, it's that same kind of thing, we get to see it in, you know, like you were talking about the uh, what, the, what's that name of that deer thing you were talking about?

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  The diker.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  Diker.

• 1:27:10Joe Rogan?

  It's an antelope, yeah.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  Antelope, yes, uh, that to become a underwater meat eater, that's, that's quite a jump. But, there's probably not many alligators down there doing that exact same job. I mean, uh, not many things taking its, its spot, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to find a niche there, there wouldn't have been no food.

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah, there's, it's just, it's really interesting, there's herds of antelope running through dense rainforest, running through puddles and the water and everything. Really crazy, cause they just sort of got trapped there.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:27:40Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  That's so insane, I, it's like the uh, the, the mountains that they have in the South America where they've got uh, basically it's like the same as an island where it's like nothing can go down from a certain elevation. So, uh, like there's a bunch of things that live up in the mountains that are basically evolutionary isolated and have been for ten thousand, twenty thousand years.

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  And so you got a bunch of goofy species that are only, you have, next mountain over there a little bit different, next mountain over there a little bit different, same as the finches that Darwin was chasing around in the early days.

• 1:28:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Pretty interesting stuff. I'll, I'll, I can nerd out on all that shit for a long time. I love it.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  But just the sheer variety, the sheer variety of life forms that we know are real. And what's interesting is like, things that are cryptic, or you know, cryptozoology type deals. People are so dismissive of them. But I'm like, by God, there's so much that's real. There's so much that's real. Like, one of my favorites is the little hobbit man. From the island Flores. Cause that was dismissed forever. That was just nonsense. Until a couple decades ago, they're like, oh, hey. Okay. We just found something that's like a little tiny person, little three foot person that's not us. You know, it's, but it's bipedal and it seems to have worked with tools and hunted.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  It's, it's funny how skeptical they get with the stuff. It's, it's, or it's not even skeptical, it's cynical. Because, I mean, clearly. We know that island dwarfism exists, which is where things get smaller or bigger on islands depending, right? You might have some big ass swans and some small elephants on an island.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, lizards get bigger, right?

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Exactly. Smaller things tend to get bigger and bigger things tend to get smaller. So if we know that's a thing, then why is it a problem to assume that that would happen with, with humans or with hominids?

• 1:29:26Joe Rogan?

  Right. We know what happens with elephants.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Dwarf elephants on these islands.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  It's. For, and that's the kind of thing that honestly is almost as, sounds like religious thinking, not scientific thinking to me. It's like, we're better and we, we're not, we're immune to all the same forces of nature. It's like a scientist would just, should just be like, okay, man, it's, it could be, right?

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  It's just ego.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  It's.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  It's ego. Ego works with everything in the wrong direction, including science.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  And, well, that's, to me, that's, that's kind of, um. It's kind of fucked because even though I know that those guys, like I was saying earlier, are socially awkward and, um. Probably emotionally stunted quite frequently, can't even suss their own feelings, but. At the same time, it's like, science is the whole fucking expedition, the whole undertaking, the whole reason you do it is to see clearly, and when trying to get rid of, Joe has an opinion, Jamie has an opinion, Dan has an opinion, they're all different, but if we all see the same thing, we can be pretty sure that this is real, but if I see it different than you, than Jamie, well now...

• 1:30:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  And so when they inject their ego heavily into it, polit- political, quite frequently nowadays, it's, it's not fucking science anymore, man, you're, you are defiling the thing that you set out to do, and you know you're doing it, so I get kind of...

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Let's just call it truth, like, truth is the most valuable thing, if you're speaking openly about something, if you're talking about something publicly, truth is the most important thing. As soon as you are willing to violate truth to preserve something else, like your status, your ego, you know, your place in the hierarchy of information, well now I can't listen to you anymore, because I know you're willing to lie.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  You're a grifter.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and obviously, politics is the best example of that, I mean, especially today. I guess it's probably a good time to talk about this, um, there was a thing that came out recently, there was a book, there was some book about the Kamala Harris campaign, where they talked about her getting on the show, and they said a bunch of things that weren't true, they talked to, supposedly talked to like a hundred and fifty different people about her and, you know, what happened with her coming on the show, I don't know if it's a hundred and fifty, a lot of people, they didn't talk to us, and, which is kind of crazy, and, which is like, they didn't even ask, but they said things that just weren't true. One of the things they said that weren't true was that we, uh, lied about the day that

• 1:31:52Joe Rogan?

  Trump was coming on, no, we just didn't tell you that Trump was coming on, he was already booked a long time ago, this is how it worked, Trump was really easy to book, like, super easy, we offered one day, he said yes, that was it, there was no, what are we gonna talk about, how long is it gonna be, is it gonna be edited, there was nothing. What's the waiver, here, give me that waiver, sign it, it was so easy, so he was already booked, they never committed to doing the show, so all this talk, there was another thing, they said that the reason why they did the Beyonce thing, the Beyonce event in Houston, was so that they could be in Texas to do my show. They never agreed to do the show. None of that's true. They never agreed.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  That's fucked.

• 1:32:31Joe Rogan?

  They also said that they sent someone down here to the studio to do a walkthrough of the set. That's not true. The Trump administration did. I mean, if they are trying to say that "they" as in the entire federal government, well, I don't think the Trump Well, I guess the Secret Service is a part of the federal government. Maybe you can kinda get away with saying that because the Secret Service came down here for Trump and looked around that we sent someone down, but it was not. It was the Trump administration sent him down because they're the only ones that had a date to do the show. These people didn't have a date to do, they never agreed to do the show. This is really important. Even after Trump went on, they offered for me to come to DC and do a show with Kamala.

• 1:33:15Joe Rogan?

  But even then, it was the same deal. It was only like 45 minutes to an hour. And, you know, it was not on my set. And I said that, "Look, he did it here. We should probably do it here." Like, if it's possible to do it here. Obviously, when he did it, it had an enormous result. I'm willing to do the same thing for her. I wanted to release both of them on the same day. This was my goal. I was even trying to figure out if there was a way that I could do it, and I even offered to do it late that night. So the night that Trump came on, I'm like, "What if we do her, like, when she's done in Texas, if she came here?" But no one ever committed to doing it. This is really important because they keep pretending that I lied or I did this, I did that. No one, they never committed to doing it. We offered, we went through,

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  I've got a whole, we have all the receipts, by the way.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:34:04Joe Rogan?

  I have a whole list of conversations that took place. They never said she was gonna do it. So this whole idea that we fucked her over and then we fucked her over for Trump, incorrect. Just not true.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  And, you know...

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  But I think it's someone trying to cover their ass for the fact that she never did it. And if she did do it, it might have had a positive effect.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:25Joe Rogan?

  If her and I had a good time and we got along great and she won over, you know, the air quote "young male vote", things could have been different. Who knows? So this guy's probably trying to cover his ass.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  That's, I was, that's what I'm thinking too, is because I, the reaction to her not coming was, like, pretty big.

• 1:34:41Joe Rogan?

  But they didn't commit to doing it. This is the thing, while this guy's saying, like, that we were difficult to deal with. Not true. We were super easy. We made it real clear. But... Also, it's gotta be the actual, real show. It shouldn't be some fake version of it where I'm sitting in a conference room. Oh, also, they wanted a stenographer in the room. They wanted staff in the room. They wanted some, Trump was just in here by himself.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Just me, him, and Jamie. That's it. For three hours. Like, they wanted to do everything. They wanted it very controlled, and they were really concerned that it wasn't gonna be edited. So, I don't think they ever really were sure they wanted to do it.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Joe Rogan?

  Then, once Trump did it, and it had this huge response, I think then, it was like, what the fuck? What are we doing? He just did, it's got fifty fucking million views, this is so stupid, why didn't we do it? And so then, there was, even then, when they offered to do it in DC, my manager asked, "Is she committed to doing this?" When I, if I bring this to Joe. "No, she hasn't committed to doing this." "Have you brought this to her?" Like, they wouldn't even say whether or not she had expressed willingness to do it, or whether they were trying to convince her to do it. There was, we know for sure, there were some people that were supposedly on her staff that were against her doing it. They thought it was a bad, because, you know, it was a bunch of wokesters. They're, they're basically in a cult.

• 1:35:59Joe Rogan?

  You're, you have a distribu, like, if you're willing to go on Fox News, you talk to, what's that guy's name, Brett Breyer?

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:36:07Joe Rogan?

  Where they cut that off after twenty minutes. When they did that, that's when I was like, look, it's gotta be in the studio. It's gotta be in the studio, and it's gotta be real. It's gotta be a real conversation. I had entertained a couple of times going to, but I was like, "Forty-five minutes is just not enough." You know, you and I have been talking an hour and a half already.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just like, it's not enough time. You need more time. You need more time to find out what makes someone tick.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  And that's, I, probably what she was afraid of.

• 1:36:33Joe Rogan?

  Probably what they were afraid of. Maybe not her, I think they should have been. I think we would have had a good old time.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  No, you're, you're a good guy.

• 1:36:39Joe Rogan?

  I think we would have had fun.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  I think, I think it was a huge, uh... Huge mistake on her part, and let's be honest, like, it's the kind of thing that it's reminiscent of the, forget the congressman that asked Mark Zuckerberg how, how Facebook makes money. It's just like they're so, you're so detached from the modern world. It's like you, you could spend millions of dollars on all your ad campaign all across YouTube, or you could just go sit in the room with Joe for three hours, and I'll tell you which one's gonna do better for you, lady. But she picked the ad campaigns on YouTube.

• 1:37:08Joe Rogan?

  The problem is that I think that the people that saw it as, they thought they were gonna win anyway, apparently. And the people that saw it as a negative thought, like, there's been a few blunders where things didn't go well. But I think a lot of those blunders are, I was listening to this woman on the Tucker Carlson Show, and she was talking about what Biden was like during the presidency. And one of the things that she said, I thought that was very interesting, was that there's many people that worked with Biden that said there were moments in his first couple of years where he was very lucid, and that he would be actually running the meetings, and he had talking points that were written down, but he was having these lucid conversations. And then he would do these public things,

• 1:37:51Joe Rogan?

  and he would have blunders. I think a lot of it is just the pressure of performing publicly under intense scrutiny. Like, if you have to do a live set, like, say if you have to do Saturday Night Live or something like that, and you're gonna do a monologue, the pressure of doing that monologue is so much different than the pressure of just going up at a local comedy club.

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 1:38:10Joe Rogan?

  It's insane. And I think that pressure, Joe Biden, as much as, you know, I'm sure he has a high self-opinion, clearly, when he is confronted by the reality that half the country hates him and thinks he's doing a terrible job, and then he has to talk publicly live, then I think those cognitive problems were sort of elevated.

• 1:38:32Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 1:38:32Joe Rogan?

  I think that's the same with her. So I think that's the same with her when she's on Fox with Brett Breyer. I think it's hostile environments, I think it's large crowds, I think it's a lot of things where you don't get to see the real person. So that was my goal. My goal was to try to meet the real person, just like I did with Trump, just try to meet and talk with the real person. And my goal was, what I really wanted to do, we talked about this quite a bit, me and my manager, of doing it on the same day. And my manager, she agreed. She like, this would be the perfect way to set it up. Like, we both agree. Put them both out at the same time, you know. Go watch them all. See what you think. That would be the ultimate way to do it. But they didn't never, they never agreed to do it.

• 1:39:14Joe Rogan?

  So all this shit that's in that book that they never talked to us, just not true. Maybe it's someone's trying to preserve their job. Maybe someone's trying to say, hey, it wasn't my fault. You know, they, they became difficult. No, we didn't become difficult. The other thing was like, they wanted to do it that Saturday, the day after Trump. And I said, I'll do it, but it has to be at 8:30 a.m. The reason why was I had a podcast already scheduled that was a live UFC podcast. So we do this thing called Fight Companion. So there was this title fight that was happening in, I think, was it Saudi Arabia? Or was it Dubai or Abu Dhabi? It was somewhere in the Middle East, I believe. If I remember correctly. See if you can find out what that was. Just so, just we were clear.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  I have friends, I flew in, three of my buddies from California. And we were all gonna do this podcast together. Like, we had committed to doing this. Like, they were already in town. Like, I can't just say, no, guys. I can't do this awesome thing because I have to interview Kamala Harris.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  No, I understand.

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Seems like I should to some people, but that's because you're in the politics business. I'm an MMA commentator. This is part of my job. And I said I would do it. I said, I'll do it, but it has to be like 8:30 in the morning. Because I have to be done by the time the fights start. That's reasonable. They didn't do that either. So this idea that I sabotaged her, there's a bunch of people that say I fucked her over or whatever. That's not true. So you can think whatever you want, but it was Abu Dhabi. So that was Iliya Tapuria versus Max Holloway. So for UFC fans, just so, just so you know, for people listening that aren't UFC fans. That was a huge fight. That was a gigantic fight. Max Holloway just beat Justin Gage in like, literally the knockout of all time.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  And Iliya Tapuria is one of the absolute best fighters on planet Earth. If not number one, pound for pound, certainly number two. So, or number three. So he's in, in the top five of the absolute best athletes in any weight class. So this was a clash of the titans. The greatest featherweight champion of all time versus the current featherweight champion. So I'm not gonna miss that.

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:16Joe Rogan?

  I, it's me, I, I understand. I, I work around you. I said I would do it at night. I'll come back. I'll do it at midnight. I don't give a fuck. I'll do it. So it wasn't me fucking someone over and so just whoever's in charge of spreading that narrative. That's deceptive.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she she missed out, man. She could have sat in the same chair that Shane Gillis sat in, right?

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  Yes. No, he sits in that one. Or or or it could have been a wreck, but it could have been a wreck with Trump too. You know, like there was there was a moment where me and Trump were, I was saying, tell me how the 2020 election was stolen. Like, and I feel like if you're for the last four years have been telling everybody that they robbed you. You should be able to tell people how you know they robbed you and you should be able to say it.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  Articulate it, yeah.

• 1:42:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:42:04Speaker 01

  Clearly, clearly.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I don't, so I don't know what that's about. I don't know if he has other people that tell him that. He's he compartmentalized like, look, you, hey Rudy Giuliani, you deal with that. I got other shit to deal with. I'm gonna deal with this. You tell me they robbed me, I'm gonna say they robbed me.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  That could be it.

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I don't know, but so that could have gone sideways, but it didn't.

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  It didn't.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  It goes back to that, how you disagree with people thing.

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  You know, you don't have to be an asshole about it, right?

• 1:42:30Joe Rogan?

  You should be able to communicate with people in a way that it's just about what you're talking about. It's not a It's a shitty tactic to try to break a person down as a human being because you want to enforce your argument or say their argument sucks because they suck as a human being too. Like, come on, we're we're big grownups here. We can just talk about the actual ideas.

• 1:42:50Speaker 01

  Maybe we actually get to where we're trying to get to, right? We're trying to figure out the other side of this, so. Seems seems kind of cut and dry, but a lot of people miss that. The egos are, ego's a powerful fucking thing, man.

• 1:43:00Joe Rogan?

  It really is, and it, I mean, I'm glad we took that little side trip because I had to explain that. But but the the thing is, that that little monster rears its ugly head in everything. It doesn't just rear its ugly head in politics. It rears its ugly head in archaeology, in religion, in culture, in everything we do. It just, it's a lot of it is, I have said this for so long, I don't want to ever say I was wrong. And I will, I will somehow or another. Derail any arguments against me. I will call those people racist. I will call those people. I was watching one of your videos where there's this person who listened to what Flint Dibble

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  said about Graham Hancock and Atlantis and connecting Atlantis to white supremacy. And she made the most distorted statement that saying that people of color were not capable, that this is the argument of the people that support Atlantis, people of color were not capable of that sort of civilization, which literally no one has ever said, because everybody, especially the people that believe that that area of Sub-Saharan Africa, the Reichshart.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  Reichshat, yeah.

• 1:44:14Joe Rogan?

  Reichshat, how do you say it?

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  I think, I think it's Reichshat.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Reichshat Structure, that that is, that that is Egypt, or that is rather Atlantis. That is literally in Africa. So who the fuck do you think built it? Like, if you're talking about the pyramids, no one is saying Europeans came to Africa and built the pyramids. No, the Africans built the pyramids. So it, none of this white supremacy thing makes any sense. Because all these people are saying was, I think that this city in Africa was Atlantis. I think, which, if you're going to find an ancient civilization that is super advanced, wouldn't you think maybe it would be in an area around where there's fucking for sure ancient advanced civilizations that made pyramids?

• 1:44:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer thing.

• 1:44:59Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of a no-brainer.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  What they, what they do, they, this is where Flint is especially insidious. You know, I got a, I got a long well with Flint and a bunch of other archaeologists for a long time. But I made a video that went into the details of how Ignatius Donnelly was not the guy who founded modern-day Atlantis hunting. And he, he did believe in some kind of Aryan first things, and it was, he didn't, he believed that other races weren't capable of, of innovating, and he was.

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's just one douchebag.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  He was popular. But the thing is, is people that came before, they tried to make it out like. Ignatius Donnelly and the guys that came before him both believed the Maya were the they founded one of them believed the Maya fucking whooped the ass all the way over into Indian shit. He believed that the Maya were the Egyptians.

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, Augustus Le Plignon is the one that believed the Maya whooped ass all over the world and the other one was um.

• 1:45:53Joe Rogan?

  Were the Maya supposedly seafaring?

• 1:45:55Speaker 01

  No, this is this is his.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  It's just a wacky idea?

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Well, Charles Etienne de Brazier de Bourgogne, these are the two guys that they they were the first ones to find like that chalk mole statue with the weird and the heart and the plate.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:09Speaker 01

  It looks Egyptian. They were the ones that started seeing they're the first ones to see the similarities between these things. And so they believe that, you know, ancient Egypt is this technologically superior place and here we seen the same thing here with similar iconography. So I made a video explaining that this is the essay that the letter that the Society for American Archaeology wrote to Netflix to call Graham Hancock a racist, basically, not call him a racist, fuck you guys, um, is, uh, it was wrong. It was erroneous. It contained false information and I pointed that out and eventually Flint's addressed it and his argument was, well, it doesn't really matter. It's not a big deal. We use the word comet and and and Graham talks about a comet and these this other guy didn't and

• 1:46:54Speaker 01

  and it doesn't really matter because so many white supremacists believe this shit anyway. And it was just like at that point, I I was kind of like, okay, this isn't science anymore. And then I watched him do that waffle and bullshit here where he did it with great when you were pushing him on it and he's like, no, I didn't say that. Well, yeah, I said that. Well, no, I didn't say that. And I was just, all right, dude, no, I'm I'm gonna drag you for this.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  There's too many people that are used to being in a position of authority where they're never questioned like that.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  And they can say that in front of a class or they can say that in front of colleagues and then when he pushes back. And then there's also this problem with leftist ideology where um, if someone if there is some sort of a history at any point in time of white supremacy like that Ignatius Donnelly guy, like you have to connect even everything attached to the theories of this advanced city, this advanced lost civilization, you have to attach it to white supremacy or you are a racist.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  Or you're enabling or you're a dog whistling, which is my favorite. Dog whistling's my.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just, it's, it's, yeah, insane.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  I hear racist.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  I hear racist.

• 1:48:01Speaker 01

  God, I'm a Gua Linchen.

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  It's just, it's so dumb because, listen,

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  if you have a place like Egypt, that's way crazier than Atlantis. You already have a place that's fucking insane.

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  That's way crazier. Because whatever Atlantis had, it didn't survive whatever that, if that Reichart structure, if that's really where it is, and it was impacted by the great flood, by the end of the Younger Dryas, the impact theory, the water from all the polar caps rushes through and destroys everything, and giant tsunamis everywhere because of the global cataclysm. Okay, it's, well, it wasn't as good. Because if that's, the pyramids are still standing? So that, all that shit happened at the same time the pyramids too.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  So that, what you're saying, if you really believe all that, is that the pyramids were way more advanced than Atlantis. And believing in Atlantis is crazy.

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:56Joe Rogan?

  Help me out!

• 1:48:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, yeah.

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  And it's white supremacy, even though it's in the same part of the fucking world.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  It's, eh,

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Help me out!

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's always, always cir-, eh, basically, no matter what, they're always gonna find a way to not just

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  Dismiss.

• 1:49:09Speaker 01

  Dismiss it. They're gonna poo poo it. They're gonna turn, the la-, that's, that, that's not an, that's not an underwater mung. That doesn't look like a tool to me.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:17Speaker 01

  It's, it's just this, this poo poo attitude that, um, really, it, it, it, it does them a huge disservice because, um, ultimately, the most interested amateurs on the planet would be us, pyramid idiots, guys that are into that kind of goofy shit. We're the most interested, just like Carl Sagan knew his audience, the most interested people in space were the UFO crowd. The most interested people in archaeology are not archaeology students. That's their nine to five. I'm the one that's reading the shit at two o'clock in the morning with the beer in my hand. I, I love the shit. But I don't want it. You're gonna bore me if you talk about stratigraphy. We're gonna want a story. We're gonna want.

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna want something to excite you.

• 1:49:58Speaker 01

  A mystery.

• 1:49:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, to dig into it.

• 1:50:00Speaker 01

  So when they literally deliberately piss on the mystery, it's just like, oh, there's no, there's nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Nothing. Let me tell you about stratigraphy. Nothing to see here. That's why I talk about Carl Sagan all the time. He might have laughed in their face.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  But he never told me nothing to see here.

• 1:50:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know why? Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed. He did. He smoked a lot of weed. That's very uncomfortable for a lot of people that don't like weed. Oh, makes you lazy. Nope, you're already lazy.

• 1:50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:25Joe Rogan?

  Weed just got there while you were lazy. It's nothing to do with weed. Stop it. You know?

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  It's true. I get what you're saying. It's, uh, a lot of people like to blame things for, uh, blame, say that drugs are all just bad, but I forget the dude's name, uh, that like was the guy that discerned the DNA, like the human DNA.

• 1:50:43Joe Rogan?

  Francis Crick.

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:44Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, Kerry Mullis.

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  Did it well on LSD.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Like, uh, make crack the code on LSD or whatever. I mean, that shit's, you know, it's, it's part of our brains, man. It's there. Um, and as a tribe.

• 1:50:55Joe Rogan?

  I think there's some controversy about the Francis Crick thing though, right? Isn't there a controversy about whether Francis Crick was, uh, I'm pretty sure Kerry Mullis was open when he was talking about, um, the PCR method that he devised that when he was on acid. Which is also, also, he was a huge critic of using that stuff for detecting diseases. He's like, this is so fucking stupid. Like you don't, like, he was so angry. And then, have you ever seen that video where he's angry about Anthony Fauci? Saying he does not know what he's doing. He's not a scientist. He's a bureaucrat. See if you can find that video, cause it's fascinating, cause he's literally talking about, this is pre-COVID, by the way.

• 1:51:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:51:31Joe Rogan?

  He's, cause he died like right or right before COVID happened. But he was talking about how PCR should never be used to detect diseases, cause you could find these tiny fragments of a disease, but it doesn't even mean that someone's infected. Especially when you're ramping it up to X amount of cycles. Like they had so many cycles, you had so many false positives. That maybe someone had encountered this thing at one point in time, but it was dormant in their body and dead. But yet you're still, you, you're, you're looking at such minute particles that you can't use it to detect whether or not someone's sick. And that's what we're using during the pandemic to detect whether or not, so you got so many false positives. You know, some estimates were higher than 50%, false positives.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Insane. See, you find Carey Mullis on Anthony Fauci. He's like sitting at a desk at his kitchen table. Or he's sitting at his kitchen table with a guy he's talking to. And he's just breaking down the difference between the actual science. Have you found it?

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  I know it's available. I've seen it.

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  I'm just looking. Your timing. It's stuck in the Russian preview site and I've got to find another one.

• 1:52:41Joe Rogan?

  I'm just...

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  I'm finding it.

• 1:52:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay, you'll find it, I'm sure.

• 1:52:45Speaker 02

  So I've got to double check and make sure, see if this is not what you wanted.

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  That's it, right there. Second one down.

• 1:52:50Speaker 02

  It's 10 seconds.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:52:52Speaker 02

  It says Russia. I'm not going there.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  It says Russia?

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Yandex dot ru.

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're gonna get a fucking virus. Instantaneously. There it is.

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  Change your computer to Russian script first.

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's it.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  So this is Carey Mullis, won a Nobel Prize for his PCR technique while employed by Emeryville biotech firm.

• 1:53:15Speaker 04

  It's about humanity that wants to go to all the details and stuff and listen, you know, these guys like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know, he doesn't know anything really about anything. And I'd say that to his face. Nothing. The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it's got a virus in there, you'll know it. He doesn't understand electron microscopy and he doesn't understand medicine and he should not be in a position like he's in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don't know anything about what's going on at the bottom. You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way.

• 1:53:58Speaker 04

  They've got a personal kind of agenda. They make up their own rules as they go. They change them when they want to. And they smugly, like Tony Fauci does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera.

• 1:54:12Speaker 04

  You can't expect the sheep.

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 1:54:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so this was pre pandemic.

• 1:54:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, ninety six it says.

• 1:54:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:18Speaker 01

  That's brutal.

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so he's what he's talking about, I think back then was also the AIDS crisis, which that's a whole nother ball of wax. And if you want to get into that at another time, folks, just please go read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci. It's incredible. But so this is another thing. This is more gatekeeping. It's the same kind of thing. This may be in a different way, maybe not to protect the ego, but to protect money.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. One of the things with COVID that always always tickles me on that is the way that they threw the, I feel to me, I feel like they threw the red herring of a mask at us. I feel like the, I feel like the mask was a bullfighter's cape. I feel like you've only got so many hours in a day, you got to pick your battles and you've got, the mask is an easy symbol. It's, it's, everybody can complain about it because it affects everybody. It's an easy touchstone. You can see it, you could, it's, it's, but while you, everybody's fighting that, that really is effectively, you just have to fucking wear a hat for a few months or a few years. They're closing down our stores and taking the kid that's, he's, I got two more years of wrestling. Yeah, fuck you.

• 1:55:27Speaker 01

  You, you're never gonna make state fuck you. You just lost, that's the people, that's the stuff that was getting lost. The masks, I'll wear fucking masks over my face today if it'll bring back white elephant shit.

• 1:55:38Joe Rogan?

  There's also no logical explanation. If the, if the vaccine worked, give it to the people that are vulnerable, let everybody else live their life. That makes the most sense, but they couldn't do that. They had to pretend that the other people were vulnerable. They had to pretend that children were dying of it. They talked about it all the time. No healthy children died of it. It's not true. They tried to pretend that it was very, really dangerous for young people. It wasn't, unless they were already really sick. What it exposed in this country is that there are a lot of people that are completely full of shit that are in charge of telling us what the truth is. And that also, we're really vulnerable in terms of our health. Our health is very vulnerable. Our economy is very vulnerable. We can't just shut the country down for a year and a half. It doesn't work like that. We're vulnerable. It destroyed a lot of businesses, destroyed people's lives.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  Caused so many people to become drug addicts, so many people to commit suicide. There's a loss of life and a loss of hope and who knows what it's gonna do to these young children that had to wear masks when they're in preschool. Who knows what the fuck that does to you? Learning how to talk with a mask on, you're not reading mouths and lips and you're not getting a full facial feature to read off like children need for their development. We've found out that there's a lot of people that just aren't telling you the fucking truth. And the crazy thing is they were doing it in the age of the internet. Because they had been used to doing it for so long, they they didn't develop the thing that people have now. Like now, like especially like someone like you or I who does stuff on YouTube. You know that if you say something and it's not true, you gotta go back and say, hey, this is what I thought.

• 1:57:05Joe Rogan?

  This is why I thought it, but now I know that this isn't true. Cause if you don't do that, no one's ever gonna fucking trust you again. Anthony Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic like, don't wear a mask, it doesn't do anything. It's just if anything, it's gonna smuts with it and then later he's saying, wear a mask, I wear two, I wear two masks. Like what the fuck, we have video, man. This is, this is a different time. This is in 1986. You can't just go and tell us some shit. And we don't know whether or not you said something completely contrary to that just a month ago.

• 1:57:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that might be part of why Kamala was so worried about the unedited thing. You know, when Hillary fainted a few election cycles ago, that video would have never made the news in the 90s. They just got bought, right? But it fucking before they, nobody knew it existed before it was posted. It was just like the dude and bam. And now the internet has it and it's too fucking late, so.

• 1:57:59Joe Rogan?

  I think the real thing that did her in was Comey.

• 1:58:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  I think the investigation into the emails, I think that like in the middle of the.

• 1:58:08Speaker 01

  That was brutal.

• 1:58:09Joe Rogan?

  That was crazy.

• 1:58:10Speaker 01

  But what I'm getting at is that I think that that's especially for an older politician, somebody like Biden. He, how many decades of his life was he able to buy any video footage that was gonna cause him any problems? He just fucking squashed that. Two or three and now it's like they did nothing, dude, you slip and fall, going viral buddy, and you damn thing you could do about it.

• 1:58:33Joe Rogan?

  Also, who's letting him walk up that fucking stair without having a catcher behind him?

• 1:58:36Speaker 01

  Oh, come on.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  I would have some giant dudes, big ol' fucking lineman.

• 1:58:44Joe Rogan?

  Cause if he's going down the stairs and you got slippery shoes on, that's a fucking precarious catch.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, you got a hundred and eighty pound man who stumbles and he falls backwards like, yay, yo, this is, that's the fucking president. Don't just let him walk up that thing on his own with slippery shoes on. After he fell the third time, why did they let him keep doing that?

• 1:59:02Speaker 01

  I think, maybe it was some of Gerald Ford's family was hoping he'd break the record.

• 1:59:07Joe Rogan?

  Even though now.

• 1:59:08Speaker 01

  Given where our age here.

• 1:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that's old. Next you're gonna do a Nixon impression.

• 1:59:14Speaker 01

  Oh, god damn.

• 1:59:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I'm not a crook. Yeah, it's, um, it's all, the whole thing was very eye opening, I think, and I think that also led to Trump, you know, destroying in the election.

• 1:59:27Speaker 01

  That's, that's probably has a lot to do with it. I, I mentioned before, like, they closed that white elephant store, but, uh, like, they closed so many bars in the town, like, I was thrilled that, that my, my favorite bar, Mootie's, is still around. Uh, but I wa, they had a closed sign on it when apparently like the plumbing above it leaked and I thought they were gone too, cause it was closed down for them to fix that in the middle of COVID and it was just like, god damn it, it's like, we lost so many things in that town that were just little mom and pop outfits.

• 1:59:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  And just comes in and gets replaced with like.

• 1:59:59Joe Rogan?

  Target. Yeah.

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  And, and like you come to a city like this and you still got little shops that do well, little cafes and whatnot, but I live out in, in, this, I live in a city, but around it's a bunch of farm, farm country and there's like the places in Davenport that had these great milkshakes. You can't fucking go there no more. They're closed. They're gone. And it's a bunch of places like, they've been around for generations.

• 2:00:22Joe Rogan?

  And it didn't have to happen that way.

• 2:00:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  If you want to be real cynical, the people that are the real progressive leftists, that you should be cynical about that, because it was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States. The lower class, lower and middle class lost three point nine billion dollars or trillion? Was it trillion? What was the transfer? It might've been trillion. I think it was like three point nine trillion dollars. Over the, over the course of the pandemic. And then that money was transferred to the, the wealthiest people gained that money. How? What happened? Stocks, mutual funds, what, what, what, what, what, what, what magic are you doing? You basically stole money, like something happened and through your policies, you enabled the wealthiest people to get way wealthier.

• 2:01:08Joe Rogan?

  And the poorer people to get way poorer. It's like 3.9 trillion, is that correct?

• 2:01:15Joe Rogan?

  The transfer of wealth.

• 2:01:17Speaker 02

  I know, I'm looking at an article from 2022, I didn't see anything newer.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a newer one, they, they, they were talking about it really recently, they were talking about it, it like mirrors, exactly.

• 2:01:26Speaker 02

  1 trillion, something in there, 2 trillion, I see.

• 2:01:30Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, what year is that?

• 2:01:31Speaker 02

  5.2 trillion, there you go, uh, no, that's expected to pass, I don't know, I'm seeing different numbers.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Let's just, let's be conservative and say it's 3 trillion. That's a crazy amount of money that gets transferred and no one is like freaked out that this was by policies? And this is by keeping everybody's business shut down, you could basically just take over because people still need to buy stuff? And then these big companies that people have stock in, did they, the, the stock goes way up and then everybody gets wealthier? This is kind of nuts, well, the progressives are outraged that, and this idea that it was protecting your health. But how, are you sure? Did you look at the data? Because it doesn't seem like it was.

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  Over several decades, this says it was 50 trillion, this was from during the pandemic, though.

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 2:02:13Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 2:02:14Joe Rogan?

  50 trillion from the bottom 90%. And that's made the US less secure, yeah, for fucking for sure it does. But the problem is, yachts aren't cheap, bro.

• 2:02:22Speaker 01

  No, no, they're not, I'm not looking at them yet, but maybe next week.

• 2:02:26Joe Rogan?

  You want to put it in order for one of them supersonic jets, you gotta have some chatter, might be time to take over a small country.

• 2:02:31Speaker 01

  Or two, yeah.

• 2:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Or two, yeah.

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  Yes, it, it's, it's pretty wild, the, uh, the things that were lost during COVID. Were, in my mind, one of the biggest things was the trust in the scientific community.

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  That they're being honest and I, I, again, I like science. I like science a lot and I don't, I think that just like most activists and most anything, like when you look online and you see a transgender person is making a complete ass of themselves, that's generally speaking not indicative of the way transgender people are, even on the fucking internet, man. Otherwise, you wouldn't be seeing that person.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:07Speaker 01

  Right? But, uh,

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  With everything.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, with everything.

• 2:03:10Joe Rogan?

  With cops, with teachers.

• 2:03:11Speaker 01

  With, and with our-

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  You see some crazy teacher saying nutty things in front of the class?

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:15Joe Rogan?

  That's a small percentage, a tiny... Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem, but it's not all teachers.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  No, but when, but when it's science, the, the deal is, is that science fact checks itself. Like, these guys all throw rocks at each other. They write a paper and other guys are trying to rip it apart and prove them wrong and, okay. So, in that environment, th- th- it requires an acceptance for this kind of shit to fly. For, for them to be able to repeatedly lie in peer-reviewed journals requires their peers to not review the fucking papers. That's really the only, only way that can happen. And that happens so much, like, it's, i- it's still, the medical community's fucked.

• 2:03:54Joe Rogan?

  The Clovis first thing, which was another thing that, um, Flint pushed back against. And, but, uh, obviously, there's a lot of receipts. Like, that guy almost lost his career, was shunned by science, and he was right.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  And our mainstream archaeologists tore that guy apart with personal attacks. They tried to destroy his reputation, destroy his career, because they didn't want to be proven wrong.

• 2:04:16Speaker 01

  They tried, Tom Dillahay was the guy who-

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Explain the whole thing to people, so that they don't know.

• 2:04:22Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Uh, Clovis first is the theory that the first peopling, the first people in the Americas came over the Bering Land Bridge, like, fourteen, fifteen thousand years ago, and they were, used the Clovis points, and this was the first American humans. Before that, there was no people here. Now, they started finding sites that were thirty thousand years old, twenty-five thousand years old, and they started fucking with that narrative. And archaeologists were, for the most part, pushing heavily against it. There were a few scientists that would make the finds and that they would fight for them. The one- Eventually it's been overturned now that Clovis first is not the narrative anymore. And they're not really sure exactly who got here first. They know the Bering Land Bridge was part of it, but they also think there was some people from the, probably from the ocean and South America and who knows for sure. It's up in the air.

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  They're not so certain anymore. But, uh, the Clovis first, uh, debate, it was so bad that the guy that, uh, won it, basically, a site in Chile called, uh, Monte Verde was the site that eventually, he had a bunch of people there, they looked at the site and when they left, they were convinced that that was the end of the debate for all intents and purposes. There's still a few holdouts.

• 2:05:30Joe Rogan?

  How old was Monte Verde estimated to be?

• 2:05:32Speaker 01

  Thirty thousand years, I think, twenty seven thousand, like, right in there. Um, the guy that discovered that site and was excavating it, Tom Dillahay, was living in Chile under the time that Pinochet was in charge of Chile. One of his colleagues, and there's video of this, I use this clip frequently, one of his colleagues called the state newspaper and said Monte Verde is a CIA-planted site in order to get him down into Chile. His wife and kids are there. They fucking threatened his life over, this is, this is the archaeologist's version of swatting.

• 2:06:07Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:06:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I shit, you know, the video's all over, but I, I use this clip frequently. He, he, uh, they basically threatened his life, straight up. He had letters to people saying that he wasn't a real scientist, that he didn't have a degree.

• 2:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Is this Dillahay explaining this in a video?

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, Tom Dillahay explaining this.

• 2:06:23Joe Rogan?

  If Jamie could find it, what would the video be titled?

• 2:06:26Speaker 01

  Uh, you have to go on Google, uh, Tom Dillahay interview, we'll probably do it. Uh, D I L L E H A Y. Um, sorry, I should have, I should have had that one pegged.

• 2:06:37Joe Rogan?

  No worries.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  I use this clip, I probably use it ten times. Um, uh, it's not one of those, um, uh, maybe put, uh, archaeology with it? Cause he's talking to another archaeologist. Um, dang it.

• 2:06:59Joe Rogan?

  Challenging Clovis first.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  Here, oh, well.

• 2:07:03Joe Rogan?

  Archaeologists threaten one of their own over Clovis first, is that it?

• 2:07:07Speaker 01

  No, it's on a, uh, there's me. Yeah, that would actually has a clip.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Okay, play that then.

• 2:07:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that has it. Archaeologist Tom Dillahay was instrumental in overturning Clovis first with his excavations at Monte Verde, but this caused him to have his life threatened by his own colleagues. His excavations were done in Chile during the reign of the ruthless dictator Pinochet. Clovis first was hotly debated amongst archaeologists at the time, and one of them decided to use Pinochet as a means to silence Tom.

• 2:07:35Speaker 05

  Moved down to Chile during the dictatorship years of Pinochet, so I was opening up anthropology department, so politically it was difficult at that time. And another colleague who sent a letter to the newspaper in Chile, one of the major newspapers, saying that Monte Verde was creation of the CIA to plant me down there. And, you know, that puts you and your family in a dangerous situation in a country like that at that time. Seems to me like the archaeologist's version of swatting someone. There's a small minority of people who will do anything in their power to defend their paradigm.

• 2:08:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's it.

• 2:08:15Speaker 05

  That's fucking wild.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:08:17Speaker 05

  That's over the top.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  What if that guy got murdered, would they be happy? Would they, if they took him and publicly executed him because they said he was a CIA spy?

• 2:08:25Speaker 01

  I'd like to say no, but, I mean...

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Would they be happy? That's such a psychotic thing to do to someone just because, but, you know, these people, like, everything that they identify as is the expert in this particular field.

• 2:08:40Speaker 01

  And they'll try to pretend, Flint tried to pretend that that was no big deal, that was a one-off, you know, scientific debates happen, and a lot of guys will say, "Oh, yeah, that Clovis first, it was bad," but we don't usually do that, dude. Before Clovis first, there was the Folsom first debate. The idea that the Folsom people were the first ones here. And if you found anything older than, I think, 7,000 years or 3,000 years, whatever it was, anything older than a Folsom culture thing, it was bullshit. And you couldn't have a feel, it's on Wikipedia still. You could read about, there's a couple of guys that basically formed a guard and didn't let anything get past that point until eventually the Clovis first thing. It's not the first time. This is standard operating procedure. Create a paradigm, defend it with life and death.

• 2:09:24Speaker 01

  There's a guy named Max Planck. He was a Nobel Prize winning physicist. And he has Planck's Principle, it's known as. And it is, "Science does not progress one discovery at a time. It progresses one funeral at a time."

• 2:09:39Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:09:40Speaker 01

  And this is a Nobel Prize winning physicist that said that, not Graham Hancock. So it's fucking pretty hefty to think about that. That's, people are people, man.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:51Speaker 01

  Put us on the moon, you're gonna have people on the moon. Same fucking problems.

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  Same fucking problems. People on Mars. Someone's gonna make a sex cult on Mars.

• 2:09:59Speaker 01

  It'll be a great one.

• 2:10:00Joe Rogan?

  First people will be like, "Look, I'm the fucking king of Mars, bitch. I'm running it now."

• 2:10:04Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:10:05Joe Rogan?

  It's just humans. And unfortunately, even humans that are attached to what we think of as these ego-less pursuits like science.

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  That's, the ego fucks up even science.

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  But that's where, that's where, it does frustrate me because if you take that job, it's like, okay, anytime if me and you get in a fight, it's gonna be, you know, it's aggressive and you're like, you get worked up and you get emotional. But if you become a cop, I expect you to fucking know that and roll that shit back.

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:36Speaker 01

  And it's the same thing with the scientist. I expect you to recognize that and roll that shit back.

• 2:10:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, roll that shit back. That's your job.

• 2:10:43Speaker 01

  That's your job.

• 2:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Your job is to tell us what the truth is. And if you lie... It doesn't mean that all that truth that you told in the past is now accurate. It just means you suck. That's all it means. So if you're a really good scientist, you say, "This is what we thought. This is what we know now, and this is really amazing. And so, I was wrong. All these books that I wrote, stop buying them, folks. I'm gonna have to write a new book." They don't ever wanna say that.

• 2:11:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  They never wanna think that those lectures that they taught, that those were inaccurate, and that their whole life... They would be a mockery. They really would, because those scientists are fucking vicious. They're so vicious after each other. They attack each other, because they all wanna be the fucking smartest guy in the room. And when anybody... Oh, "Mike? Mike's a fucking moron. Mike thinks that..." You heard him talk about Fauci, the way Kerry Mullis talked about it. That's how they talk about each other.

• 2:11:32Speaker 01

  That's exactly it.

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't know anything. I'd say it right to his face. It's just natural human aggression that's transferred into this field that we think of as purely academic.

• 2:11:43Speaker 01

  And quite frequently, these people are, like I said earlier, a little emotionally off, a little socially weird.

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Sure. Bullied. Bullied their whole life. Now all of a sudden, they get to be the bully?

• 2:11:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Which is one of the things that does happen. It's the revenge of the nerds. It really is.

• 2:11:55Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  That's what revenge of the nerds is.

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  It is.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  It's like, "Finally, we get our turn to be mean." Didn't we not learn anything? This is how wars get started, people. This is how people wind up killing people, because you other the other.

• 2:12:08Speaker 01

  By the way, when I drew the parallel about us fighting, I don't want a picture of me next to Shane Gillis. So I'm like, "Thank you very much. I'm good." Don't need that.

• 2:12:17Joe Rogan?

  The whole idea of the truth is what we all should be pursuing. And it's just really unfortunate that people are attached to these things that they've said for so long, so much that they're willing to go out of their way to prove someone inaccurate when they are accurate. And the Clovis first thing is one of the better examples of that. And now that there's irrefutable evidence, like the footprints that they found in New Mexico, that have seeds in them, that are 22-plus thousand years old.

• 2:12:47Speaker 01

  White sands, yes.

• 2:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, okay, it's out the window now. We don't... You don't know. How about now, we don't know? We don't know how people got here. We don't know how long they've been here.

• 2:12:55Speaker 01

  Quit trying to find a clear answer and, like, keep investigating.

• 2:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, especially when we know South America. Had life, had all these humans living in South America. Like, wh- why wouldn't they move up to North America? Like, why would that be weird? Like, what's the oldest known people in South America? What's the oldest-

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  I'm not, to be honest with you, I'm not sure.

• 2:13:16Joe Rogan?

  The whole Amazon thing's gotta throw that, a big ol' monkey wrench into that.

• 2:13:19Speaker 01

  Well, they recently, you- you know who Thor Hare it all was? The guy that did like the Contiki voyage? Uh, to prove that you could cross the ocean in a raft and all that shit?

• 2:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah.

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  Okay, he's an archaeologist, and now he pointed out that on Easter Island, that the, the, the platform, that the biggest, oldest, uh, uh, whatever, Moai or whatever they're called, uh, that platform, the polygonal masonry re- strongly resembled what he saw in Peru. To the point where he hypothesized that these were connected. And this was just mocked by archaeologists for a longest time. Now, not only do they have genetic evidence in the form of human DNA with a solid genetic drift from South America, heading out into Polynesia as well, but, uh, Easter Island has breadfruit, has ginger, and, uh, a couple of sweet potato. It's got food from both Asia and South America, and the oldest

• 2:14:12Speaker 01

  habited layers that they've found. So like, they've very-

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:14:15Speaker 01

  And the ol- and that's scientifically-

• 2:14:16Joe Rogan?

  And what is the oldest habited layers?

• 2:14:18Speaker 01

  Uh, it's like, I wanna say like, uh, twelve hundred or eighteen hundred, uh, years ago. It's not real, real old, but it's old enough that like, the oldest place that they've excavated and found, that, uh, the first people, it looks like the first people that showed up there came there from Asia and South America already. They've been connected to both.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  What was the evidence of cocaine in mummies? Was that bullshit?

• 2:14:39Speaker 01

  I'm not sure about that. I've, I've, it's one of the things that, every time I look into it, I, the data's kind of threadbare, and a- as a skeptical guy and a guy who's had his share of time in bars and bathrooms, um, I did have a strong, much stronger re- feeling that there was some anthropologist in the seventies was just doing a fucking bomb. I'm sorry, that's way, smoking a cigarette and doing a bump on the sarcophagus is way more likely than, uh, that's just to me, but I, I could be wrong.

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and if you're doing coke, you might what, put a little coke on the mummy. I'm gonna do coke off this fucking mummy's nose.

• 2:15:13Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck yeah.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  Do a bumper health, it's coming, he's smoking his face. And you're doing archaeology and it's the seventies?

• 2:15:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  And no one, no one is like, looking over your shoulder?

• 2:15:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:22Joe Rogan?

  You're a wild fucking Indiana Jones type cokehead.

• 2:15:27Speaker 01

  Fuck, there's already people with their AI fucking art workout trying to make this.

• 2:15:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure. What was the evidence, see if you can find what the evidence for cocaine in Egyptian mummies was?

• 2:15:41Speaker 02

  The Russian scientist that said he found some in 1992, 90s?

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Look, I found coke!

• 2:15:48Joe Rogan?

  He's doing blow, they bust him. I found cocaine!

• 2:15:54Speaker 01

  It was in the mummy, I don't know.

• 2:15:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:57Speaker 02

  Not mine, definitely not my cocaine. Cocaine, hashish, and nicotine in the hair of Hanut Towi?

• 2:16:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, um...

• 2:16:07Speaker 01

  Cocaine, hashish, and nicotine.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay. German toxicologist Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish, and nicotine on Hanut Towi... How do you say that? Hanut Towi's? How do you say his name?

• 2:16:22Speaker 01

  Hanut Towi?

• 2:16:23Joe Rogan?

  Towi, Towi's hair? As well as in the hair of several other mummies of the museum, which is significant and the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the cocoa and tobacco plants native to the Americas. And were not thought to have been present in Africa until after Columbus' voyage to the Americas. The result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre-Columbian people and ancient Egyptians as a proof for their claims. The findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies, two successive analyses of the other groups of Egyptian mummies and human remains failed to fully reproduce

• 2:17:03Joe Rogan?

  Balabanova's results and some showing positive results only for nicotine, but even that is interesting, right?

• 2:17:10Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. And then the next line actually is basically says what I just did. After these experiments, even assuming that cocaine was actually found on the mummies, it is possible that this could be contamination.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it says that. It says even assuming that cocaine was actually found on the mummies could be contamination which occurred after discovery of the mummies. The same argument could be applied to nicotine, but in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine and two of these, uh, Withania somnifera and Appium graviolens? Sorry, were known to be used by the ancient Egyptians. Okay, so they did have some sort of nicotine plant.

• 2:17:55Speaker 02

  2092, 2007, researchers in Peru may have also found some.

• 2:17:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and Incan mummies. But Incan mummies are, that's um.

• 2:18:03Speaker 01

  That's there.

• 2:18:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's where cocaine is.

• 2:18:05Speaker 01

  If it was actual cocaine, that would be crazy if there was like, if it was not just cocoa plant, but actual like.

• 2:18:11Joe Rogan?

  A little baggie for the future, for your travels.

• 2:18:15Speaker 01

  Come aliens, please come back.

• 2:18:17Joe Rogan?

  He's got a little vial, a little vial they tucked away with him in his, in his grave.

• 2:18:22Speaker 01

  We've done everything we could to get them aliens back. We're gonna process some of that shit. Come on, boys.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  It would be fascinating if we actually could prove that somehow or another people from South America had made their way to Egypt and back and forth. And another interesting argument for that was always the Olmecs. Like what, they look Polynesian or African. They don't necessarily look like they're from South America.

• 2:18:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and there's a, uh, there's a lot of the, the arguments that were made by those guys I brought up earlier that were back in the 1860s. They, they were, one of them was big into linguists and linguistics and he made all these language models and stuff as to why that Maya was the first or proto-language that was, all these other ones were built on. Uh, the other dude was really into iconography. I'm sure you've seen some of the symbols that like you see around the world, like the, that girl that's sitting on the, the lions and the master of beast symbol.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Things like that, that, you know, it's, it's not.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Did you get Jamie to pull that up?

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry. Yeah, uh, look up, uh, master of beasts, um, like, I guess, sorry, uh.

• 2:19:27Joe Rogan?

  You gonna find some cartoon?

• 2:19:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I stumbled across something that says that, that did more testing that says that there might have been cocaine in up to eight bodies.

• 2:19:35Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, whoa.

• 2:19:37Speaker 02

  They did multiple testing.

• 2:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you're living in Egypt, you're gonna get some coke if you've got that kind of cheddar. You know what I mean? If you got like bold headdresses and what's the ultimate thing to have? Coke. You know?

• 2:19:47Speaker 01

  Clearly, I mean, you're trying to get more women, right?

• 2:19:49Joe Rogan?

  If you've got some guy who's coming over from South America, he's bringing coke.

• 2:19:52Speaker 02

  It says they did, in the wake of controversy, they used radio immunacy, gas chromatography and mass spectrometry.

• 2:20:00Speaker 02

  And all of those got the same results. All bone, soft tissue and hair contain traces of the drug ruling out possibility of external.

• 2:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, so they did have cocaine. Okay, well, there you go. Now you got some weird shit.

• 2:20:15Speaker 01

  I'll look into this.

• 2:20:16Joe Rogan?

  Let's just slam the book and say it's accurate, Jamie. For sake of argument.

• 2:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, Master of Beast, if you look up, uh, like, uh, like ancient symbol, or hopefully that'll bring it up. I forget, uh.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  Master of Universe. I have the power.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  Goddamn, we're getting old today with the references. Sorry, young guys.

• 2:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Gerald Ford and He-Man. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. So that exists all over the world.

• 2:20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's that type of iconography of, uh, usually a woman, but sometimes a man. All the way back into like Kara Hayek Turkey, like one of those Gopekli Tepe type of sites. Has has this symbol. And, uh, that type of symbol, um. You.

• 2:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at that Master of Animals one, the Wikipedia one in the middle. The the gray one, yeah, right there where your cursor just was, Jamie. No, the one where your cursor was, sorry, above that. That's cool, too. But above that, that one. What's that one from?

• 2:21:17Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 2:21:19Speaker 01

  I know, that is crazy.

• 2:21:21Joe Rogan?

  Cause it looks like it's got two monsters next to her.

• 2:21:26Joe Rogan?

  That image that we were just looking on.

• 2:21:29Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  There it is. There it is, right there. Like, what the fuck is that? What are those things next to her?

• 2:21:36Joe Rogan?

  They look like some kind of lion lizard hybrid, but look, they have like lizard tongues.

• 2:21:41Speaker 01

  Snake? Yeah, it's tough to say. I mean, obviously.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  A tail and wings. They have wings? Like, what the fuck is that? And why does that exist all over the world?

• 2:21:50Speaker 01

  That's that's really where, like, it's an interesting thing that when you see that kind of iconography. It's not the argument of, well, a nail looks like a nail anywhere because you invented a nail. Uh, that falls apart because you're you're you're, this is just symbols, right? This is just symbolism. So that would imply some contact, right?

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, why?

• 2:22:11Speaker 01

  And it shows up way long ago.

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And why? Yeah, how is that getting all around the world?

• 2:22:18Speaker 01

  Clearly, people are bringing it. Now, see, that's there's one place, just because I don't, uh, necessarily ascribe to, uh, lost technology or ancient high technology. I. Don't get me wrong, when it comes to like lost civilization, I'm very much of the opinion that there was a civilization from before 12,000 years ago that got wiped out by some sort of cataclysm. I don't think that it was, I don't think that they had like real high technology, but it wouldn't have taken much technology for them to appear better than their contemporaries.

• 2:22:48Joe Rogan?

  And we see evidence for that today too, which is a really good point. People say, how is it possible that the rest of the world could have been so far behind? Well, they were, okay? First of all, with the Egyptians, they definitely were.

• 2:23:00Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:23:00Joe Rogan?

  Definitely. Like proven, everybody else was way far behind them. But even today, my friend Paul Rosely, he lives in the Amazon, he's like, he protects rainforest and hires these people that used to be loggers to now protect the rainforest and amazing guy. He just filmed the other day, an uncontacted tribe, just the other day. There's uncontacted tribes all throughout there. They, they, they're completely naked and they're living a subsistence lifestyle in the Amazon forest. Who knows what their fucking language is? Who knows what their culture is about? But this is a completely uncontacted tribe that exists today along with us with AI on our smartphones.

• 2:23:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Same time period, right? So the idea that this couldn't exist at other parts of the world in the past, no. It fucking for sure could. By the way, it fucking did in the 1800s when settlers were making their way across the United States.

• 2:23:53Speaker 01

  The sun never sets on the British Empire was because Europe was hop, skip and a jump ahead of the rest of the world when it came to sailing and conquering people. And that's, I mean, you could argue about whether that's good or bad or whatever.

• 2:24:08Joe Rogan?

  But it just existed.

• 2:24:09Speaker 01

  It existed. We're talking about the abilities, it's, they were, they were better at it.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  And in the United States is the best example. And in what, what was going on when settlers came from Europe and making their way across the country, they were encountering Stone Age tribes.

• 2:24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, effectively, yes.

• 2:24:24Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent Stone Age. They were using stone tools. They were using flint arrowheads.

• 2:24:29Speaker 01

  There was a couple of people that had copper, but they weren't being, they weren't making weapons by and large from it.

• 2:24:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, they were making like jewelry and stuff, yeah. It's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy, but it's just a natural function of how human beings adapt to their environment. And it seems that the Nile Valley in Egypt was an abundant, rich environment that had so much resources it allowed those people to stay there and thrive for thousands of years.

• 2:24:55Speaker 01

  And if you think of the area being a green Sahara, and then it slowly gets smaller, that Nile Delta would explain that concentration of people and ideas and stuff, because you've got what would once spread out across a large area being all shoved together.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:09Speaker 01

  And making almost a proto-city type of thing, or whatever. Yeah, I'm of the opinion that whatever the lost civilization was, I'm of the opinion that they were really good at seafaring, which made that they were really good at astronomy. And I, myself, I think that like the handbag symbol, I think that that's a symbol of their ability to, I think like that it is a symbol for a day, like we were talking about before on that pillar, Gobekli Tepe, that there's three of those handbags, and he says each one is, it's actually a sunrise.

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Why? Why is the handbag a sunrise?

• 2:25:42Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a, the ground, and it's a sun. It's not an actual handbag. It's a, it's a ground and, could you look up Gobekli Tepe Pillar 43? Sorry, Jamie, thank you. The, in that case, it looks less like a handbag because there's nobody holding it. But, and in this case, Dr. Martin Swetman's done the work, and it looks like it's three different days he has it symbolized as. So going with that, you see, that's three handbags there, each one with an animal next to it, he believes that that's denoting the...

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  So not a handbag, but the arc of the sun over the earth?

• 2:26:21Speaker 01

  Yes. So when somebody's holding one of those, I think that it's a symbol for a knowledge of astronomy that most people don't have.

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:26:29Speaker 01

  The kind of a knowledge that so I.

• 2:26:30Joe Rogan?

  So the astronomers are the people holding the handbags.

• 2:26:33Speaker 01

  That's what I think.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  They're the ones who could explain to you the cycles of time.

• 2:26:36Speaker 01

  And they're the ones that were incapable of seafarers. They were the ones that when they would show up, they would have the the same teamwork, the same ability to work with ropes and all that shit they could use to move megaliths. The same mathematics or an extension of it. Uh, they, it's the kind of thing that would be easier for them to move a big rock with a team of guys that have worked together, working on boats than it would be for them to move a big rock with a team of people who've never done anything like that before. And that would also explain why a lot of times these are lined up with stars and shit like that. Cause astronomy would be very important to them. So that's, I, I do think that there was a lost civilization. I mean, even simple shit like the bow and arrow, in all honesty, if you think about how complicated that would be to effectively create all the way.

• 2:27:20Speaker 01

  It's like, it's easy for a dude to figure out the tension, but building a flight and an arrow that's like weighted, it's way different than a spear. It's being launched from the back, not the center. So you can't just transfer it over. This is requiring multiple people over multiple generations, in my opinion. I think that the fact that we see it all over the fucking planet, it says something.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  That probably people were traveling.

• 2:27:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's no.

• 2:27:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not something that people would figure out on their own everywhere.

• 2:27:45Speaker 01

  Now, we have Adal Adals too, right?

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:47Speaker 01

  It's, and people figured those ones out, so, but that seems like a more simple device.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a lot simpler.

• 2:27:52Speaker 01

  So why isn't that everywhere instead of the bow and arrow? Probably was, but the bow and arrow supplanted it and it was only kept where you really needed the penetrating power of the Adal Adal.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:01Speaker 01

  So that's, again, this is all just spitballing, but um, we don't know for sure. I, I could say that I do, but I don't, so.

• 2:28:07Joe Rogan?

  It's just so, it's so interesting, really so interesting, cause the, the concept of if these mummies that show cocaine really are proof that somehow or another someone came from the Americas with cocaine and made their way to Egypt, boy, that throws the whole thing, throws a monkey wrench into the whole gears of our timeline of civilization.

• 2:28:27Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 2:28:27Joe Rogan?

  How are they doing that? How'd they get over there? That's so fucking far.

• 2:28:31Speaker 01

  And a Nokia taxi cab service.

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  What's your thi-

• 2:28:34Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 2:28:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:28:36Speaker 02

  This, based off of what you're saying with like it's a time measuring tool.

• 2:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  I'm looking for more examples of it. This is a very interesting explanation. I don't know if it's accurate. Hopefully, you can shed some light on it. Does this make any sense, what it's saying? About a-

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Water clock?

• 2:28:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so baboon, because there's a, um, damn it, I can pull it up in a second.

• 2:28:58Joe Rogan?

  No, it's okay, let's just read this.

• 2:28:59Speaker 02

  Something that looks like a basket.

• 2:29:00Joe Rogan?

  What is this from? What is this, where you get this? Reddit?

• 2:29:02Speaker 02

  Reddit, yeah, it's about Reddit, so I'm explaining what this is.

• 2:29:05Joe Rogan?

  The hieroglyph depicts one form of something called a water clock, or, say that word.

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  Klepsidra?

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Klepsidra hydrol- hy- hydrologia? Which was used to tell the time by the drainage of water through a small hole. Uh, the item associated with Thoth due to its use as a measuring tool and thus miniature versions or models made of, how's that, what's that word? Fience? What's that word?

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  I don't know, fience? Sorry.

• 2:29:34Joe Rogan?

  Often had baboons incorporated into their structure. It's said that hor- horopolo in Hieroglyphica that it was traditional to allow water to drain out of a hole in the baboon's genitalia because the baboon apparently cries and urinates 12 times a day on the equinoxes. So you just like force-feed water into a baboon to figure out what time it is?

• 2:29:57Speaker 02

  Synchronized clocks.

• 2:30:00Joe Rogan?

  He's just howling, "Oh, it's time to go to eat." Monkey's howling. Regardless of the exact reason, the hole was indeed sometimes placed at the end of the baboon's penis. Uh, model, non-functional versions of the water clock often mimic the shape of the hieroglyph itself, similar to the Maat figurine and may have been used in offering rituals. See if you can find one of those figurines. So that's a water clock built on the idea, and the water clock, the water comes out of the baboon's penis.

• 2:30:32Speaker 01

  And I know that, uh, the ancient Egyptians like would measure time during the evening hours with water clocks like that. They would have, uh, people tasked with keeping time for the, the area.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at that. It's a baboon water clock. The water come, it drips out of his dick. And when all the water, so it's like a, sort of like an hourglass. Yeah, but it's the baboon's dick. That's crazy.

• 2:30:56Speaker 01

  That is, that's impressive.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  I found out something new today.

• 2:30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  That makes it worth it.

• 2:31:00Speaker 02

  The triple of that pillar they're showing, I think someone else has explained to us that those are like, they could think that's a time, like calendar, those are days or months or something like that.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:31:08Speaker 02

  If all this is time.

• 2:31:10Speaker 01

  Yes, that's, so he, what Dr. Martin Swetman thinks is those three handbags there are,

• 2:31:17Speaker 01

  um, three of the cardinal points, like, uh, two equinoxes and one solstice, I think. And then the, the condor down there, holding the, the sun is what he believes. He believes that's Sagittarius. And that it's, uh, the, our, basically denoting, um, that the, the fourth cardinal point of the year, and that all those other marks add up to, uh, the squares are a month, the Vs are days. And at the end of a, of, according to his interpretation, it's, uh, where he thinks that it's a recording of the time that the asteroid hit, the Younger Dryas impact.

• 2:31:51Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:31:52Speaker 01

  And, uh, his, he's wrote two scientific papers on it. He's come under a lot of fire for it, but

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Shocker.

• 2:31:58Speaker 01

  The majority of the fire is really funny. It's like, okay, he's, uh, he's a chemical engineer. And so he's a mathematician by trade. He's a number cruncher. And so the first thing everybody says, ah, Dave's not in archaeology, you got a fucking number cruncher in here. And it's like, uh, it, the field of archaeoastronomy, as it's called, was first officially recognized because of the work of a guy named Alexander Thom. He's the one that was like plotting out a bunch of shit in England and whatnot, right? And seeing that, uh, this lines up with that. It looks like this, the ancients would stand here to look there. He predicted that they would find a, a viewing platform. And it was at a certain site. He's like, they stood up on the side of that hill. I'll bet you find a platform there. They found that platform. And now it was, he's starting to do some

• 2:32:43Speaker 01

  science here. He's making predictions and they're coming true. This guy was an engineer, not a chemical engineer, he was a construction engineer, but he had fuck all to do with archaeology. This is very common, if you look at the teams that make up archaeoastronomy expeditions, it's usually an astronomer, an archaeologist, and then somebody who's just a math whiz. He's really, really, he's way above the pay grade on either one of these guys when it comes to number crunching. That's generally speaking, the teams that make these things up. So when they go beating at this guy, right, that betrays, they don't even know what this fucking field, and it's, of course, these are all scientists and historians by and large that are doing that. So it's really hilarious, it's like, you guys are, you don't even look, you don't even open the goddamn book.

• 2:33:27Speaker 01

  Uh, you, uh, one of them famously, or infamously to me, because I drag him for it frequently, said, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, well, I, I hope you understand. And it's like, well, I understand between us talking, but I do not fucking understand that for a scientist. Fuck you on that. If your, if your job is to test chemicals to figure out which one does what, you don't say, well, it kinda looks like this one, so I'll skip it. You fucking test each one, same thing here. Hypothesis comes at you, you don't get to be like, well, it kinda resembles the one that that one kook came up with, we'll reject it. You test it. Or you don't call it science, you call it guesswork.

• 2:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also really interesting with, when, in regards to Gobekli Tepe, that they've essentially put a giant halt on the amount of excavations being done there. And they've even planted trees over the areas that have not been excavated yet.

• 2:34:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, they've done, uh, yeah, the, some of the tree footage that I've seen is just abhorrent.

• 2:34:21Joe Rogan?

  And isn't the, aren't the trees a protected species of tree?

• 2:34:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:34:25Joe Rogan?

  So you can't cut them down?

• 2:34:26Speaker 01

  Can't cut them down. And, and now-

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Which is like, why would you do that? Why would you do that over one of the most important historical sites in human history?

• 2:34:34Speaker 01

  Well, the guy that did it, like, he owns the site, right? And then they find it, and now he's trying to sell it, or not trying to sell, excuse me, the government comes like 10 years later and tells them that they're gonna buy it. And it's just like if you're like, if the government's gonna build a highway, it doesn't matter how much you're, you paid for your home, doesn't matter what you got on your property, they're gonna come and look at it, and they have an equation form, and that's all that matters. The swimming pool's not on that form, fucking swimming pool doesn't get paid for. Um, well, on this farmland, adding olive trees made that an orchard instead of basically arid farmland. Ah, made it more valuable. Made it more valuable. But what's funny about this is like we talk about the, the arguments against this stuff and how stupid it is, okay?

• 2:35:17Speaker 01

  Jim points out that it's, these trees are a problem and since it's Jim and Jim is fucking public enemy number one to archaeologists, but I'm coming to get you, Jim, it's gonna be my spot soon. But anyway, uh, since, since Jim is fucking hated by these guys, it doesn't matter. There is tons of documentation on the problems with having tree roots above a site, all the way from contamination with different microbes to, they use a certain species of snail in Europe to determine certain dates and tree roots that punch right through that shit and introduce that snail to places it shouldn't be, right? Tree roots will, if, if they're, one of those enclosures that go Beckley-Teppe is filled with water or had a well in it, all those roots are screaming down that thing and just

• 2:36:01Speaker 01

  blowing it to shit, it's gone. So it's, there's a number of things archaeologists, everything I just told you, that's shit archaeologists say. I learned all that from reading papers about what the problem that tree roots can cause to archaeological sites. Cause everybody knows they cause, at least all the construction guys know they cause problems with foundations. But they don't care. They'll argue all day, oh, those tree roots aren't so bad, that's a protective, it's not such a big, it's all because Jim mentioned it. Had Flint mentioned it first, they would be all up in arms about taking that, taking care of those trees. It's, it's so clearly Red Rover, Red Rover, it's all about teams, it's just, it's just stupid. At the point where it's just, it's reprehensible in times, to be honest with you.

• 2:36:41Joe Rogan?

  It's just shocking that steps haven't been taken to mitigate that when you consider that this is one of the most important archaeological sites ever. So it threw the monkey wrench into the whole idea that people were capable of, uh, building stuff like that only around 6,000 years ago.

• 2:36:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. It blasted that on its ear. Um, like you were saying earlier, I remember. I drives me nuts because I can't find the clip, but I remember seeing it years ago of Graham talking to somebody. And the guy saying that that will show me the civilization.

• 2:37:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was with Zoe Hawass and there was another archaeologist, the guy with glasses.

• 2:37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the one saying it.

• 2:37:22Joe Rogan?

  And he was openly dismissive in the most disgusting way. Where's the evidence?

• 2:37:25Speaker 01

  And so then they find it. But back in those days, the the standard operating model for humans becoming from hunter gatherer or hunter gatherers to civilization was you were had to start farming. And then you created a surplus of food. And once you had enough of a surplus of food for long enough, you started to have these ruling classes emerge. You get your astronomers and your priests and your shamans. And all these guys don't want to work. And so pretty soon you get these cities going and shit. But this can only happen. We have a huge surplus of food because that's obviously just wasted labor. Well, Gobekli Tepe really threw that on its ear because there ain't no goddamn farming right then. It's the beginnings of it. There ain't no there ain't no surplus of food there. There's I mean,

• 2:38:10Speaker 01

  there's no surplus of human created food. You might be finding lots of animal bones and shit, but it wasn't like they grew a bunch of food. So it completely destroyed that entire narrative. And that's the part that because it's a Graham Hancock site, they will they're slow to really admit that. But go buy a book from the 90s and read about how how humans progressed from and you buy an anthropology book and you'll see it very clear that that they completely had to rewrite shit because of Gobekli Tepe.

• 2:38:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And it's also it's a weird one, too, because they know it was intentionally covered up 11,000 years ago.

• 2:38:44Speaker 01

  That's not that. That one's wild.

• 2:38:46Joe Rogan?

  That's wild.

• 2:38:46Speaker 01

  That's one thing. It's been pushed back on a lot, but it does look like that's there's papers published both ways. But it does look like last I saw it does look like the the consensus is it was buried deliberately.

• 2:38:58Joe Rogan?

  What's the bush back?

• 2:38:59Speaker 01

  The sides of the hill would like collapse into the thing. And so that they would just eventually just kind of push some more of it in there and just leveled it out so they could use the area because it was a bunch of holes in the ground. You couldn't walk your donkeys over or anything. I know it's a little.

• 2:39:14Joe Rogan?

  Seems like a lot of work. There's a lot of areas around it. You could walk your donkeys.

• 2:39:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's not like the whole area.

• 2:39:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I I agree. I I I'm I I think that Gobekli Tepe, like any of those sites, I don't think I I'm well aware. Just like the because Jimmy's involved with it, anything Graham Hancock touches, those guys.

• 2:39:33Speaker 01

  They, they're, they're, they're gonna poo poo it. They're just gonna dismiss it. Right. And, uh, it's, it's sad because like he is, them hitting him with the racist thing in particular, that's good, you, you know Graham, that, that, that hits him. He, that fucking hurts. He's very sensitive. He doesn't, and that, that kind of shit, man. There are people in that are Atlantis hunters today. There's the guy, uh, uh, Robert Zaffir, I hate to say his name even, but I will because he needs to be put on blast a bit. This guy is, he's an Atlantis bro. He, he thinks that the DNA story that we've been told out of Africa is wrong. Okay, fine, whatever.

• 2:40:10Speaker 01

  Where the rubber hits the road is when he starts seeing, he'll show like pictures of like old school anthropological models of proto-humans that are real dark skin and big hair coming out and looking half monkey, half man. And then he'll say, there's no way that this could come from the same stock and then show like a little six-year-old Danish girl with perfect fucking big blue eyes and, and this is this kind of constant, constant digs at, uh, at Africans, not out of Africa, but at Africa. They were, all these different species bred with different hominids and these guys bred with the stupid ones and these other guys bred with smart ones and these guys bred with strong ones.

• 2:40:51Speaker 01

  And it's like, it's very, it's racist, for lack of a better term. It might not even be what you would consider white supremacist, but it's definitely, when you're done with, if you were to take everything he said and accept it, you would walk away thinking that different groups of humans are clearly better than each other genetically, fucking hands down, and you can judge it based on skin. So that is racist, right? What does that have to do with Atlantis? Well, he's believes that Atlantis was like the, the people that spread the ideas around and stuff. Kind of the same stuff I was saying earlier about that Ignatius Donnelly guy. Oh, okay. So he is, so he is what you would think. He's got 300,000 subscribers or so on YouTube. He's not a nobody.

• 2:41:32Speaker 01

  So you would think he's the guy that these guys would be poking at for being a fucking racist, but they don't. And there's a real big reason why they almost never do. There's like two people with any following at all that have letters next to their name that have taken shots at this guy on YouTube. And the reason is, It's, he's, he is what they actually claim Graham is. So it's, it's like, if, if, if you have somebody that's complaining about a trans activist, the one that's screaming, "Call me ma'am", that's what they're trying to say Graham is, but actually that's what Robert is and then Graham's just would be standing there being like, "Hey, how's it going?"

• 2:42:09Joe Rogan?

  So the problem is if you pay attention to that guy and you see the real racist, then it doesn't work when you call Graham a racist.

• 2:42:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't call him a racist anymore, yeah.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:16Speaker 01

  And so they-

• 2:42:17Joe Rogan?

  Also, they probably don't want to give him any attention.

• 2:42:19Speaker 01

  Well, they don't, they give him attention, they talk about him. They do, they, they just, uh, like I said, I didn't even want to mention his name and I know I'm gonna get people yelling at me about, uh, saying that, but it's, uh, the stuff that he puts out is very clearly, uh, if you were, again, if you take it all on board, it would be very, you would be a racist. If you would've just accepted all, you'd be like, "Oh, yeah, that guy's black, he's just not as smart as me, sorry." Fuck, there's a clip for you, Flint, have fun with that.

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  So the, the, one of the things that, uh, I saw on your channel in regards to Atlantis was this alloy.

• 2:42:50Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:42:50Joe Rogan?

  That, um, they found these ingots, they found this-

• 2:42:54Speaker 01

  Oh, what's the name of it? I'm having trouble-

• 2:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Also-

• 2:42:56Speaker 01

  Uh, uh, uh, uh, acallium?

• 2:42:59Joe Rogan?

  Something like that?

• 2:43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, something like-

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  And it's a combination of-

• 2:43:02Speaker 01

  Oracallium.

• 2:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Zinc and what?

• 2:43:04Speaker 01

  Uh, it's zinc and copper and, um, silver, I think. It was like zinc and, mostly zinc and copper, and maybe it was a tiny bit of silver, and it might've just been zinc and copper.

• 2:43:15Joe Rogan?

  And they, they have found shipwrecks that have this stuff in it.

• 2:43:18Speaker 01

  And it was written about before, too, like, uh, like it wasn't just written about with Atlantis, like they'd written about it. It was metal that the Greeks used, it was, uh, basically from one, from one little mountain region and then-

• 2:43:31Joe Rogan?

  I have one of your videos that I was watching yesterday, I could find it and send it to Jamie. Did you find it, Jamie?

• 2:43:36Speaker 01

  Ain't you a talker?

• 2:43:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that's it, that's the word.

• 2:43:38Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:43:38Joe Rogan?

  How do you say that word?

• 2:43:38Speaker 01

  Oracallium.

• 2:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Oracallium metal ingots-

• 2:43:41Speaker 01

  Calicum, maybe, I don't know.

• 2:43:42Joe Rogan?

  Recovered from shipwreck off Sicily, yep, that's it. So, this was an early version of a, a metal that they had created.

• 2:43:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they, well, they think that it might be an alloy that was found, but they, um- That it was like a naturally occurring copper that way. Um, they're not a hundred percent, I believe.

• 2:44:03Joe Rogan?

  But you can make it?

• 2:44:04Speaker 01

  We could, yes.

• 2:44:05Joe Rogan?

  As an alloy?

• 2:44:05Speaker 01

  We could, yes. Um, and what's interesting is it does talk about that in, uh...

• 2:44:10Joe Rogan?

  Can you scroll up a little, Jamie, a second, read that? It says today, "Most scholars agree that orcalium is a brass-like alloy which was made in antiquity by cementation. The process was achieved with the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal, and copper metal in a crucible. Analyzed by x-ray, how's that, fluorescents? With x-ray fluorescents?

• 2:44:35Speaker 01

  Fluorescents.

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  Fluorescents, oh, duh. By Dario Panetta of TQ Technologies for Quality, the thirty-nine ingots turned to be an alloy made with seventy-five to eighty percent copper, fifteen, twenty percent zinc, and small percentages of nickel, lead, and iron. What would be the benefit of that alloy?

• 2:44:51Speaker 01

  Uh, it was, uh, considered like beautiful, like gold, but, uh, cheaper, easier to get.

• 2:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Considered second only to golden value.

• 2:45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Was found in, and mined in many parts of legendary Atlantis in ancient times.

• 2:45:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, uh...

• 2:45:06Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:45:06Speaker 01

  They said that the temple walls in Atlantis were supposed to have been covered with that stuff.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:45:11Speaker 01

  But that's where, you know, myself, and I know this, uh, I think that there's a really good chance that a lot of the evidence that we have, a lot of the written records, the myths and stuff of, of Atlantis, I think a lot of that's gonna have a cultural infusion. So heavy into it that a lot of the details will get lost and you could almost just be like, there was a civilization that was more advanced than the people that wrote about them, and that's almost all you could take away sometimes. Like, uh, like the Greeks of... Atlantis happened to be a democratic society. Well, no shit. The Greeks, they valued that democracy. It was something they were real proud of. So of course this great place was democratic. And of course they had the same, that rich-ass metal, all that fucking, they covered their temples in that shit, bruh.

• 2:45:55Speaker 01

  It's, I, to me, it seemed, you know what I mean? It's just like, you know, a lot of people say that, uh, the whole thing, you know, that Plato just used Atlantis as an allegory or a myth.

• 2:46:04Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie?

• 2:46:06Speaker 02

  Brass.

• 2:46:07Joe Rogan?

  I'll say, chemical analysis that Ingets found in 2015 shipwreck, high-quality brass. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. While the ancient Greeks did not know metallic zinc, they knew zinc-coating ores. And the description that orochallium has similar color and shine as gold fits well with the properties of brass. Well, brass is not exactly a precious metal. It does not corrode and is widely used on jewelry, marine instruments, and medical instruments. Goldsmiths and jewelers describe brass as mahogany of metals. Wasn't that, um, that, that device, I don't remember how to say the word, antikytherm?

• 2:46:43Speaker 01

  Antikytherm?

• 2:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Antikytherm, yeah. Wasn't that made out of brass as well?

• 2:46:46Speaker 01

  Part of it was brass, yes.

• 2:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:49Speaker 01

  That thing's crazy. That thing's insane. That thing is insane. It shows some serious thinking going on, serious planning. And, um, as I've said numerous times, I think that if it didn't look so clunky when they found it, I don't think that we'd have it. I think it ended up on some rich guy's shelf because it's way too fucking cool. But they looked at it and they're just like, ah, it was like a massive metal with like some gear frozen to it. I don't know, it's all corroded shit. And then they bring it up and hand it off and just, oh, fuck me, look what we got here. Cause yeah, I mean, that's, you know, that looks kinda cool, but it doesn't look nearly as...

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  It just looks like a wheel.

• 2:47:22Speaker 01

  And it was found next to a bunch of statues, right?

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:47:25Speaker 01

  So they had, it was stuff of real value as far as they were concerned.

• 2:47:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, what's really fascinating is the 3D analysis of what it was and how it worked. See if you can find that, when they show like, that's it right there. This is the depiction of what it looked like when it was actually functional.

• 2:47:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's insane.

• 2:47:43Joe Rogan?

  It's like, what the fuck is that thing?

• 2:47:47Joe Rogan?

  And this was some sort of super sophisticated calendar, right?

• 2:47:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, basically, it's a, uh, did they know that thing at school where you would...

• 2:47:55Speaker 02

  I thought it was how they traveled.

• 2:47:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:47:57Speaker 02

  It says weather patterns and stuff.

• 2:47:59Speaker 01

  No, it does have...

• 2:48:00Speaker 02

  Weather, star phases and weather patterns.

• 2:48:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:03Speaker 01

  That, it's, you know those things that you, in, in high school or college where you turn a crank and the sun and all the planets go around it, right?

• 2:48:11Joe Rogan?

  Corresponding weather predictions with star phases. You can correspond weather with star phases? I guess if you're doing a calendar, right? So if you're looking at when, when is it gonna be winter?

• 2:48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow. How fucking cool.

• 2:48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pretty impressive stuff.

• 2:48:26Joe Rogan?

  It's like way earlier than anybody thought anybody had in a mechanical clock.

• 2:48:31Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, there's um, stuff I haven't researched for a long time, but I remember.

• 2:48:36Joe Rogan?

  That's what it looks like when it's separated.

• 2:48:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is someone making a planetary thing.

• 2:48:40Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was saying, it's effectively, that's the same kind of thing, basically.

• 2:48:46Joe Rogan?

  So that's what it's based on, all those little?

• 2:48:48Speaker 01

  Well, no, it's, it's, those are based on it, or um, the A. K. Thun mechanism was way before that, right?

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:55Speaker 01

  So.

• 2:48:56Joe Rogan?

  What year was this supposedly?

• 2:48:58Speaker 01

  I wanna say like fifteen hundred B.C. or something is what it's, but I, I might be, I might be way off.

• 2:49:03Joe Rogan?

  I think it just said five hundred B.C.

• 2:49:05Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it said, Jamie?

• 2:49:07Speaker 01

  Discovered in nineteen oh one.

• 2:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Second century B.C. Oh, so okay. Two hundred B.C. But there was definitely more than one of those.

• 2:49:16Speaker 01

  Oh, god damn.

• 2:49:17Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy. So, this is the whole thing when you're talking about ancient technology. If this is only two thousand, two hundred years ago, fifteen thousand years ago, you ain't gonna find shit. Like, that is so much longer. And if you think about how eroded that is, if that thing was still in the ocean ten thousand years from now, there'd be nothing left.

• 2:49:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:36Joe Rogan?

  That's the other thing that's really gross about the whole shipwreck dismissal. Is that these ships were made out of wood, the wood would be gone. This idea that would all be preserved because of cold water, there's no evidence of that. There's evidence of things that are like six hundred years old, a thousand years old. As soon as you get older than that, you get nothing but the pottery and the jewelry on the floor of the ocean, right?

• 2:49:54Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, absolutely right. It's, yeah, we don't, we don't, we don't have fuck all for shipwrecks way back in those days. And, and those ships that are preserved from even close to like ten thousand years ago aren't ships. They're little fucking canoes that are found in bogs and places, right? If it's in the ocean, it's not. It, it's Swiss cheese after a few, a few thousand years, and you ain't gonna have nothing left.

• 2:50:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:15Speaker 01

  Um, one of the things that really is sad about that whole deal is it's.

• 2:50:22Speaker 01

  You know, there was a potential for a real good discussion to be had there. Flint does know a lot about archaeology. And he could have sat down with Graham and had a good conversation about this stuff. But if you, in order to do that, he would have had to have not construed it as a debate in his mind. I mean, of course, it was still gonna get labeled as such, but by making a debate in his head, it's like-

• 2:50:45Joe Rogan?

  You have to win.

• 2:50:46Speaker 01

  You have to win, and it's like you have to sew shut holes that can't be sewn shut. If we're talking about, like that, there's shipwrecks. Oh, well, you gotta make sure that there's no shipwrecks. You gotta make sure that there's no place for him to speculate whatsoever, because, and that's just like, dude. So you end up with-

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, because he's still right in one way, right? And the way he's right is there's no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck.

• 2:51:09Speaker 01

  No, there is no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck.

• 2:51:11Joe Rogan?

  That's all you have to say. And you have to say, well, we have to make a giant leap if you want to assume that people were seafarers. But it is possible. If it's possible to do 2,000 years ago, like, what, do we really know for absolute certainty what year the boat was invented?

• 2:51:25Speaker 01

  Thank you. But I'll tell you something that's kinda painful and hilarious, but sad about this. You know, Flint, they're closing the anthropology department that the University of Flint teaches at right now. They're closing down other anthropology departments and archaeology departments across the world right now, across the country. There's, I just posted one a couple days ago. Flint was sitting here with Graham, talking to you, and there was the opportunity for him to say, "We do need to do more investigation, Graham. I completely agree with you, which is why I think we need to get some people out there to do some underwater archaeology. Where do you think, Graham?"

• 2:52:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 2:52:05Speaker 01

  He could be drumming up fucking business with the, and then, the two, then, at the very least, even if, even if he looked down his nose at everything Graham had to say- The cheddar comes in, the investigations happen, and everybody's happy. Instead, they're closing his fucking department. I mean, dude, I just, to me, it's just such a, I mean, they're not, might not necessarily be directly related, but he had an opportunity that he completely, didn't just piss it away, he just drove it into the ground. Did the opposite of what he should have done with it. And they do that as a matter of course. Jimmy Corsetti brought up once about a year ago on Twitter, he's like, "Oh yeah, you know,

• 2:52:47Speaker 01

  I think the Nephilim in the Bible, it talks about the giants, the Nephilim, I think maybe that might be an extinct species of hominid." And, maybe Denisovans, maybe Neanderthal? So, instead of being like, "Yeah, that's interesting, man, but you know what? Denisovans and Neanderthal are both the wrong size for, they would, neither one of them were bigger than humans, so they couldn't be giants. You need to look into Gigantopithecus, or maybe some other..." And sent Jim on, on to go learn about science. Instead, they said, "No, it's fucking stupid. Both of these are smaller than that. God, this Jimmy Corsetti guy's a fucking grifter. God, he's stupid." And then, I come along and point out that, "You had, you missed an opportunity here, guys. Why are you doing it like this? Why are you being dicks, instead of try, you're here trying to be a science educator, right?"

• 2:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:29Speaker 01

  He has a bigger platform than you, right?

• 2:53:33Joe Rogan?

  The giant thing is always weird to me, because there's so many people that believe in kooky shit that want to believe there was giants. And that there's, they hid them, Smithsonian, they've got them tucked away. Like, why? Why would they hide giants? Like, would society fall apart if we knew that at one point in time, there were 11-foot men running around? And what happened to them? And maybe they're just like a lot of other large animals, that just like, they need too many resources.

• 2:53:56Speaker 01

  You ate them all, and that's why they're gone.

• 2:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But, maybe they're just dumb as shit and huge.

• 2:54:02Speaker 01

  We ate them.

• 2:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or we killed them. Maybe we got tired of them raiding our villages. And they couldn't figure out weapons, because they were so big, they never had to. If we do know that there's tiny hobbit people, why wouldn't we assume that, look, if the tallest humans are like, "What's the tallest guy ever? He's like nine feet tall."

• 2:54:17Speaker 01

  Eight foot three. Robert Wadlow. I grew up near that, near him, so.

• 2:54:20Joe Rogan?

  So, let's imagine something two feet bigger than that? That's not so hard to believe. That there was a bunch of them? Is that hard to believe? If we find out that there was little hobbit people, and if we find out there was Denisovans, and what's those big-headed people that they found? We were talking about it. They found in China, the extra-large skulls? It's a very recent discovery. We were just talking about it. It's a, they thought at one point in time they were Denisovans, and now they think it's a completely separate chain.

• 2:54:46Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They're always finding these new little weird humans. But these, uh, big-headed people, they had like, large brows and their skulls were much larger than ours. They were, yeah. And they, we, we just had, we pulled images of them the other day. Remember? They looked giant. They, we had jacked versions of it.

• 2:55:05Speaker 02

  Call them just the large-head people. I don't, yeah. Better name for it.

• 2:55:08Joe Rogan?

  Big, ah, fuck. Big, Google, big-head people discovered.

• 2:55:13Speaker 02

  I did, it's, there's a, what, the, literally the website says, "Large-head people."

• 2:55:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:17Speaker 02

  It's just, they don't have a better name for it.

• 2:55:20Joe Rogan?

  But remember, we, we did find a, a better name the other day. That's it. Those are the people. That's the article. So this is December, 2024. So it's really recent. Provocative new piece in Nature proposes a whole new group of ancient humans, cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals, that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in Eastern Asia more than a hundred thousand years ago. The brains of these extinct humans, who probably hunted horses in small groups, were much bigger than any other hominid of their time, including our own species.

• 2:55:48Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What? Bigger-brained things? Like, what is this thing?

• 2:55:53Speaker 02

  Juluran.

• 2:55:54Joe Rogan?

  Juluran. Yeah, large, goo, goo, Google Juluran images? There's some cool fucking CGI versions of what they think this thing looked like.

• 2:56:04Joe Rogan?

  Go to images.

• 2:56:06Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:56:08Joe Rogan?

  There's one where he's like, super jacked. Oh, that's it. Like, that one, over there, fart, like, look at that.

• 2:56:17Joe Rogan?

  Super jacked primate that stands upright. Here's a weird one. How come all the intelligent things stand upright? Is it because you need your hands free? Cause if you're walking on four legs, you never figure anything out. Cause you're always using your hands to walk with.

• 2:56:31Speaker 01

  That might be part of it.

• 2:56:32Joe Rogan?

  Like you need to become bipedal.

• 2:56:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:35Joe Rogan?

  Like.

• 2:56:36Speaker 01

  Opposable thumbs.

• 2:56:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:37Speaker 01

  So you can.

• 2:56:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, the aliens don't though. They gave up on that. They would just want three digits.

• 2:56:40Speaker 01

  Well, that's because they all just do tablets now.

• 2:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're so advanced. They're just scrolling.

• 2:56:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:45Joe Rogan?

  You ever seen a little kid take a magazine and try to like? I saw this today. This is the world's tallest woman meeting the world's smallest woman. Wow.

• 2:56:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:53Joe Rogan?

  Right? Look how. That's insane. And those are both human beings.

• 2:56:57Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:56:57Joe Rogan?

  Right? At the same time.

• 2:56:59Speaker 01

  Well, one of the things that's interesting to me about the giant bones, like the reports that they go, the things that they use to really, their smoking gun, is like, there's a few reports from like the west coast and like Grand Canyon and shit. And they would send these letters back being like, or there'd be a newspaper that this guy discovered these big giant bones and they're bringing them back and.

• 2:57:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:57:22Speaker 01

  I'm of the opinion, being the skeptical person I am, I'm of the opinion that this was more of an announcement to the people back east that hey, if these things happen to get stolen along the way and I happen to find a bunch of money along the way, now's your chance. Because once they get to the Smithsonian, boys, they're theirs. So I don't think any of them made it. If these exist, if they were giant bones at all, I don't think a damn one of them made it to Smithsonian. I think they got bought up and they're sitting there. I mean, fuck, come on. These guys have their fingers.

• 2:57:50Joe Rogan?

  Jeff Bezos type character from eighteen two.

• 2:57:54Speaker 01

  They're collecting.

• 2:57:55Joe Rogan?

  Has it in his house.

• 2:57:55Speaker 01

  Archaeology became a field because.

• 2:57:58Joe Rogan?

  Imagine you go over some skull and bone type dude's house and you get a fucking giant skeleton.

• 2:58:02Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:58:02Joe Rogan?

  What? You have a giant skeleton in your house? Fucking metal plates on his face and stuff. They're real? It's all I have for a while. How many people have those little alien babies? Those little alien skeletons?

• 2:58:13Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:58:13Joe Rogan?

  How many people, I mean, if people find out about that, some crazy Chinese billionaire, like, get me a little alien. Come on. I want it for my study.

• 2:58:20Speaker 01

  And that's basically how that's, you know, those.

• 2:58:23Joe Rogan?

  That probably happens a lot, right? Cause these archaeologists aren't making much money.

• 2:58:26Speaker 01

  No. And of course it happens a lot, especially in the third world and shit.

• 2:58:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:58:31Speaker 01

  I mean, and that's where all the, not all, but that's where a lot of the cool stuff is. But you go to a place like that, it's like. Your boy up in Alaska finds a spot and he because it's not human remains, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

• 2:58:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:58:43Speaker 01

  Those were native remains, it'd be a different story, but. And like he he's pulling cash out of that, but guys in other countries where they don't even have enough to feed. I mean, look at how the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, right? They just buy them off of fucking little kids and shit, right? The people that had no money, like the kids throw rocks up there and then they find them and then the dudes, the guys buys the first ones were bought from the kids that found them.

• 2:59:05Joe Rogan?

  They're crazy.

• 2:59:06Speaker 01

  It's insane and for nothing, of course.

• 2:59:08Joe Rogan?

  And imagine if they were just burned somewhere. Imagine someone said this is a heresy and lit them on fire.

• 2:59:13Speaker 01

  Like.

• 2:59:14Joe Rogan?

  We'd have lost it all, like Library of Alexandria.

• 2:59:17Speaker 01

  Like all that, uh, all that shit that ISIS blew up.

• 2:59:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right.

• 2:59:22Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 2:59:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:23Speaker 01

  Oof.

• 2:59:23Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:59:24Speaker 01

  That hurt. I've seen those videos was like bad.

• 2:59:27Speaker 02

  I read that about the mummies. That's how they found them, the Nazca mummies. There was grave robbers because they're found in a cemetery area. But someone found some weird ones, I guess, amongst the bodies.

• 2:59:38Speaker 01

  Which ones do you think, which ones do you think they took first?

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:42Speaker 01

  You walk in there and there's all these two hundred of them. One of them's really extra crazy looking. That's give me that one.

• 2:59:48Joe Rogan?

  Give me the alien, the one with the giant head.

• 2:59:50Speaker 01

  The the reports that was, I told you Rockefeller got those big skulls. The reports say that they gave him three or four bundles that were in desperate need of repair. I call bullshit of that. I think he got the four best motherfucking bundles they had.

• 3:00:03Joe Rogan?

  Probably, probably got them set up with like a UFO in the background in his house. Got to go to a secret room. The visitors, they've been here forever. But um, one of the things I did want to ask you is one of the wackier theories that I read online was that there was a discovery of some sort of an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon.

• 3:00:22Speaker 01

  Yes, I've heard this.

• 3:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:24Speaker 01

  That's basically one guy's story. It's cool.

• 3:00:27Joe Rogan?

  I wanna believe.

• 3:00:29Speaker 01

  I wanna believe too.

• 3:00:30Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem.

• 3:00:30Speaker 01

  I wanna believe too.

• 3:00:31Joe Rogan?

  But why would they hide that from us?

• 3:00:32Speaker 01

  Well.

• 3:00:34Speaker 01

  The only reason that, there's a part of the Grand Canyon you can't go to. That is true.

• 3:00:38Joe Rogan?

  Dun dun dun.

• 3:00:39Speaker 01

  That is where this-

• 3:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Why can't you go? What's the rule?

• 3:00:42Speaker 01

  I think it's, it has to do with Native American stuff, but I haven't dug too terribly into this to be honest with you.

• 3:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Let them have a casino and let us go there.

• 3:00:50Speaker 01

  It, it might even be, it's be because they're worried about people falling off the side of a cliff or something and dying.

• 3:00:55Joe Rogan?

  But they die every day out there.

• 3:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, they do.

• 3:00:57Joe Rogan?

  Not every day, but like every year, someone dies at the Grand Canyon.

• 3:01:00Speaker 01

  But this is supposed to be, that cave was supposed to be in that area and it's supposed to be like, pretty hard to find, pretty inaccessible. But, uh, yeah, it was supposed to have all kinds of Egyptian relics and stuff in there.

• 3:01:11Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine if the government's been hiding that from us and UFOs? You guys found an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon, you, you, you hid it for so long, you had to keep hiding it? Otherwise you would've been an asshole five years ago, a hundred years ago, you know what I mean? It's like, we don't ever, ever admit we were assholes, so we'll just like, keep it hidden forever and ever.

• 3:01:28Speaker 01

  We'll know who killed JFK before we get to see what's in that cave.

• 3:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 3:01:32Speaker 01

  Allegedly, yeah.

• 3:01:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm not buying anything.

• 3:01:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 3:01:36Joe Rogan?

  No. Yeah. We're gonna release the documents, sure.

• 3:01:39Speaker 01

  Once, yeah, once the, uh, once they said they were gonna release the documents, I was like, "Sweet, I'm gonna go look into it." And they're like, "Oh, it's just gonna take a couple, three hours." Okay, fuck you.

• 3:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have to go through it all. You know?

• 3:01:51Speaker 01

  Cause they haven't done that yet.

• 3:01:52Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, yeah, I don't know.

• 3:01:54Speaker 01

  Well, I, I, I, I get it, I just, it's, uh, if, if the fam- you know, the, maybe it could be the grandson of one of the people involved has got power or something nowadays. It doesn't really matter a whole lot.

• 3:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:02:07Speaker 01

  Like, just, if there's power involved, they're just gonna kick that can.

• 3:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Especially if somehow or another, you could show that those people profited from that power, and then that family's inherited that money and they'd be held liable.

• 3:02:18Speaker 01

  Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy.

• 3:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, Dan, uh, I really enjoy your videos, they're great. It's a great channel, D-Dunking. It's awesome, it's on YouTube. Always great to talk to you, I'm glad you came back here to do it again, and let's do it another time, man.

• 3:02:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would love that, thank you so much, man. I, I would love that.

• 3:02:33Joe Rogan?

  Come down here and we'll decipher it.

• 3:02:35Speaker 01

  Thanks for the invite, Joe, I really appreciate it.

• 3:02:37Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure.

• 3:02:37Speaker 01

  Great conversation.

• 3:02:38Joe Rogan?

  I enjoyed it.

• 3:02:39Speaker 01

  Alright, bye everybody.