#2402 - Miranda Lambert

Miranda Lambert is a country musician who performs both as a solo artist and as a member of the band Pistol Annies. Her recent releases include “A Song to Sing,” a single recorded with Chris Stapleton; “Postcards from Texas,” a solo album; and “Hell of a Holiday,” an album recorded with Pistol Annies. She’s also the author, with Holly Gleason, of the cookbook “Y’all Eat Yet? Welcome to the Pretty B*tchin’ Kitchen.” In addition, she has her own clothing line, Idyllwind, and winery, Red 55, and oversees the pet charity MuttNation.www.mirandalambert.com www.idyllwind.com www.red55winery.com www.muttnation.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Go to ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in NH/OR/ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Terms: draftkings.com/sportsbook. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Fees may apply in IL. 1 per new DraftKings customer. Must register new DraftKings account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to get 1 promo code to redeem complimentary 3-month NBA League Pass subscription, and max. $300 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Bonus Bet expires in 7 days (168 hours) and stake removed from payout. Token expires 11/23/25. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. NBA League Pass: Subscription auto-renews monthly at then-current price (currently $16.99/mo); cancel anytime. Terms, restrictions, and eligibility requirements apply. Redeem League Pass by 12/19/25 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  What I hate about the desk, the desk is a mess because my mind is a mess. I wish my mind was a mess.

• 0:18Speaker 03

  You're a creative, that's how it works.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Is that how it works?

• 0:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Is that the excuse we use?

• 0:22Speaker 03

  I don't know, I'm trying to make myself feel better.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  I think that's the excuse we use for each other.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm like, I'm a creative, it's my go-to default.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Is the compressor on? Something sounds weird. Oh, it's just really loud. Something happened? Maybe my ears got better? What happened?

• 0:38Speaker 03

  You can hear now? My ears aren't very good.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes I, you know, when I'm underwater for too long, or I swim or something like that, and then I forget that my ears have water in them, and then they come out like, oh, there's that moment where like, oh, this is how I hear.

• 0:53Speaker 03

  I feel like I have the in-ear monitors for my job.

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right.

• 0:58Speaker 03

  I still, like, I've been using them for, I don't know, 20 years, and I'm still not used to them. Like, I come from like honky-tonk world where you can hear everything.

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  Hear the room.

• 1:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's so good that people have them now, because, boy, so many people I know from back in the day are almost deaf.

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. We, I'm so glad we have them. It's not the same. I mean, you don't feel the energy of the room, but it saved your hearing, which is helpful.

• 1:23Joe Rogan?

  It's a good trade-off. You can hear enough. It's a good trade-off.

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  And so many of my friends who shoot guns too, same thing.

• 1:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, they started hunting when they were kids, and no ear protection back then, and, you know, you say something to them, and they're like, what? Like, they're all half-deaf.

• 1:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, my dad was a police officer, and he's, I swear that's why my parents are still married, because he can't hear at all. And the dog ate his hearing aid and he never replaced it, and I'm like, is that on purpose, Dad?

• 1:50Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah, you definitely develop an ability to shut things off.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57Joe Rogan?

  Otherwise. Because men and women think and communicate differently, and if you want your wife to communicate with you the way your buddies do, then, well, you married a dude.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06Joe Rogan?

  Okay? So if you want to be married to a woman...

• 2:09Speaker 03

  You have to listen.

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  You have to, like, listen, and everything.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  With both ears.

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  And sometimes it's like a roundabout journey to get to the point, and you can't go, what the fuck are you talking about? Because they're like, oh my God, why are you so hostile? So you have to go, okay.

• 2:23Speaker 03

  Selective hearing.

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, selective hearing.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  But my husband will like, I'll say it, and I'll be like, say it back to me.

• 2:31Speaker 03

  And like, and I found that when I do that, it's worse. So I'm like, I'm like, say, say what I said back to you. Get bananas at the store. So he comes home, like, where's bananas? I didn't get any. So don't repeat it, just hold it in there.

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. He blocked it out for himself.

• 2:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  That's very funny, yeah. The, the hearing thing, the hearing thing is kind of nuts, that no one knew. Like, it just makes you wonder, like, when did people, I wonder when people were aware that like loud music was gonna kill your hearing?

• 3:04Speaker 03

  I don't know, like, just, I mean, I've, I've had the in-ears for a long time, and they did save all of our ears, but it's like, I think that, and then like the longer you go, like still, even though I have those, like I turn them up way too loud.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, do you?

• 3:18Speaker 03

  I'm like missing

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  the energy.

• 3:20Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever just say fuck it for this show?

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Take one out, like sometimes when it's like a house band, you just get to use wedges. I'm like, yes, this is amazing.

• 3:28Joe Rogan?

  What's a wedge?

• 3:28Speaker 03

  It's just like the little onstage monitor.

• 3:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  But it's just so loud, I mean, it's so loud. And, um, I also do, um, I do mounted shooting, and so

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  I saw that, that's crazy.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  And so it's a good reminder, like, the first time I took off on the first, I just started last year, I'm not good at all, but I love it. And I took off on my horse, and I forgot to wear earplugs, and I was like, well, I'm a musician, I should probably plug my ears when I'm shooting a revolver off of a horse.

• 3:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's, is it a revolver using a regular bullet?

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Uh-uh.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 4:02Speaker 03

  It's black powder.

• 4:03Joe Rogan?

  Just the powder itself?

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 4:05Joe Rogan?

  And so it just

• 4:06Speaker 03

  Spectator safe, horse safe.

• 4:07Joe Rogan?

  So it just sprays?

• 4:08Speaker 03

  Sprays powder.

• 4:09Joe Rogan?

  Powder and air?

• 4:10Speaker 03

  At the balloon.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  And pops balloons?

• 4:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:13Joe Rogan?

  How, what, what distance?

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Um, it could shoot, I think fifteen

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  Yards?

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Feet.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  Feet, oh, okay.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:20Joe Rogan?

  So you're just riding around the horse popping balloons?

• 4:22Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 4:25Speaker 03

  I do.

• 4:26Joe Rogan?

  What was the origin of that sport?

• 4:28Speaker 03

  I don't know, actually. One of my best friends, her name is Kendra Lonsane, and she lives out in Scottsdale. She's like the ten-time world champion and-

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, whoa, hold on. There's a world championship of popping balloons on a horse?

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's called mounted shooting and cowboy mounted shooting, but she's cowgirl and she's like guys, girls, everybody. She's a badass and I became friends with her and I just never had the guts to go do it, you know? And finally, my husband was like, "Stop talking about it and go out there and do it. Go out there and shoot with her. You're gonna love it."

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  And I got addicted immediately. It's just like something different.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's very Wild West, right?

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  It's essentially training how to fight with a gun on a horse.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  That's all it is.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Except it's the balloon is the perpetrator.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, that's how you would train, right?

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's super fun. And it's like, you know, just something that like started a new hobby at forty, like it's just try to like preoccupy my mind and, and I don't know, I think it inspires me to like take a break from thinking about what I think about every single day, which is music industry, you know, so just like trying new things and saying, "What the hell? Let's go for it."

• 5:34Joe Rogan?

  I think that's very good for artists. I, I try to talk to comedians about that all the time. I'm like, "Pick up something, man."

• 5:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, hobbies are important.

• 5:42Joe Rogan?

  Play golf, go fishing, do something. For me, I play pool. Do something.

• 5:47Speaker 03

  I just started golf too. I'm in my try new things era.

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  There you go. Did you try new things era?

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Yes, my, my yes era. Like, sure, I'll do it. Started golf, not too great yet, but I did, I just played the Ryder Cup.

• 5:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  They had like a celebrity, somebody heard I played golf and when they heard that, I'd literally started like that day.

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's a nut. Jamie's a full-on golf nut.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  Literally was like cramming my ass off like this September because I was on tour all summer and I didn't have time to practice. And you know how that feels? Like golf is, you have to practice and-

• 6:20Joe Rogan?

  Do you have a coach?

• 6:21Speaker 03

  I had a coach, yes. Dan, I have a coach and he came with me as my caddy. Very helpful. Um, but it was, it was an experience. It was a lot of pressure.

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  Did you feel it even though like nobody expected you to win?

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I just felt like, what the hell have I done when I got there? It's like playing, doing something you don't do in front of people.

• 6:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  A lot of people.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Do it, you just don't do it a lot.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I don't, I do things in front of people, but it's singing.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  You do things in front of people and you're really good at it, that's the difference.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing, doing something that you suck at in front of people is a very scary place to be.

• 6:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Jamie has OJ Simpson's golf clubs.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Not all of them, I have a few.

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  How many do you have? It's not really awesome at all. They're haunted.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Whatever you're into.

• 7:07Joe Rogan?

  Couple dri- how many you got, three?

• 7:09Speaker 04

  No, I mean, I got a whole set, but.

• 7:11Speaker 03

  Do you use them?

• 7:12Speaker 04

  I have, I use one of them.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  Did you hit well?

• 7:15Speaker 04

  I have, that's why I use it.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Why are they blessed or cursed?

• 7:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, he bought it as a goof.

• 7:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's just fun to talk about, it's a fun.

• 7:23Joe Rogan?

  Just one of those things.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Conversation starter.

• 7:25Joe Rogan?

  It came up, was it, did you get him after he died?

• 7:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, I got him like six months ago.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:30Joe Rogan?

  I forgot, I forgot when he died.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  A couple of years ago.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  Well, that's cool, I mean, hey.

• 7:36Joe Rogan?

  I guess, but it is really important having some kind of a thing that you do to take your mind off of the business. Cause the people that I know where their mind is only on show business, whatever it is, music, comedy, whatever it is, they go crazy. You, you can eventually get lost in your own little world, like you need a little break.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  You do, and I, I think it's like, you know, especially if you're like a writer, like you gotta go live to write about it. Or what are you writing about? Same shit you already said.

• 8:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  It's like, I need to go live a life and gather information and be around different people and.

• 8:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  Sort of open my circle up to just, I don't know.

• 8:13Joe Rogan?

  Different experiences, something.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, a different environment.

• 8:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my friend Ari does that, he disappears for like three months every year and a half or so. Like he gets rid of his phone, gets rid of his email. He like goes off grid. Oh, he goes off grid. He goes to Asia. He backpacks through Asia and he's famous. He's a famous comedian and he doesn't give a fuck. He just goes and vanishes for like, we can't find him. No one knows where he is. I don't hear from him for like three, four months. I just hope he's alive. Does it change him? Oh yeah, he comes back weird. He's weird already. He's weird as fuck. He's weirder when he comes back because he's, you know, been living in foreign countries for, you know, a long time. This episode is brought to you by the mosquito bowl. Here's a story that's pretty incredible. After Pearl Harbor, four of the best college football players in America

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• 11:32Speaker 03

  Well, I'm not, I mean, I'm just shooting balloons and swinging a golf club. Nothing as cool as that.

• 11:37Joe Rogan?

  But the thing you're doing, the thing about both of those things is they require all of your focus while you're doing. I mean, if you're riding a giant animal while you're shooting a gun, like, there's no room for thinking about, "Oh, I gotta do laundry." You know, there's no room, you're just doing that thing only.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I think I loved about it and got addicted to.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  You know, and I guess, I don't really have, I always say I don't have like an adrenaline junkie in me, but I guess I'd have to have a little bit for joining the circus like I did.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Yes, you do.

• 12:09Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of joining the circus.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, but like, I think that, just that little, the focus and the little jolt that you get of like, you know, the same kind of how we get like after a show, you know? It's like, I still guess I need that, but just in a different form.

• 12:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, joining the rodeo. There's, there's something about shooting at things too. I do archery and there's something about shooting at things that also just really cleans your mind. Because in that moment while you're pulling the trigger, there's no room for anything else. If you're trying to hit a target, there's no room for anything else and it just, it pushes all that stuff away. It gives you like a little, little mental vacation.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, hundred percent.

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  And then you come back like cleaner.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  What kind of bow are you shooting?

• 12:53Joe Rogan?

  I shoot a compound bow.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  Compound bow.

• 12:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a Hoyt.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  I used to shoot bows. I haven't a long time, but.

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 12:59Speaker 03

  I, I got him back out during twenty twenty when I had all the time in the world and um, my husband's from New York City. So I was like, I've got these bows, I'll, I'll teach you how to shoot a bow. So we just set up the targets and got them all fixed up and it was fun. I mean, it is fun. It's the same thing I think you're talking about.

• 13:14Joe Rogan?

  It's very similar.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  It's focus. It's just, even if it's just for a little while, it's that little moment in time that this is all I'm doing right now.

• 13:21Joe Rogan?

  Right. Have you ever bow hunted?

• 13:22Speaker 03

  I, I used to be a hunter. Yeah.

• 13:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Yep, I did. I hunted for a long time. My dad.

• 13:27Joe Rogan?

  Tree stand?

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  Or ground blind, either way.

• 13:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Um, bow hunting was my absolute favorite to, to do because it took the focus and it was intimate.

• 13:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  And it took a lot of skill and practice.

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  Certainly.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  To make sure you're good. Yeah. Um.

• 13:41Joe Rogan?

  Whitetail?

• 13:42Speaker 03

  Whitetail.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  But I raised a baby deer, a buck.

• 13:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a problem.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  So my hunting days are behind me. He's on my heart.

• 13:54Joe Rogan?

  We found a buck with a broken leg on our property and my wife took to feeding it.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:00Joe Rogan?

  And uh, all of her enthusiasm for me hunting kind of went out the window.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  It changes things.

• 14:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because it's kind of like a dog, like they're.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  He was just like a dog, like.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  They're sweet. They come right up to you.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  Wild ass whitetail deer like became like my pet.

• 14:16Joe Rogan?

  And it's different than any other feral animal in that they domesticate like that.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  They really do. Like he was literally, I'd come home and he would run over to me like a dog like. So definitely changed my mind.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think it's because they're dumb. Unfortunately, I think nature has them set up to be not very intelligent and just food.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, and he's a beautiful food thing.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  That's really what they are.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, my dad, my dad, you know, I grew up hunting with him, like, taught me how to shoot a gun, all that stuff at seventeen and when I raised that buck, he was like, it's over, isn't it?

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  It's over.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  It's over.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  It's over. Yeah, I'll never raise a baby elk, I'll tell you that.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't do it.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  But I, I get it. I mean, we have deer in our neighborhood and I see these little cute babies that are born every year and, you know, we stop the car, oh my god.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  Especially in Texas, they're everywhere.

• 15:10Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  And there's not any predators out here, cause you just shoot them.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:16Joe Rogan?

  So there's like, these deer are all over the place and they're just super, unless they get hit by a car, I don't know what happens.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  They're like not affected.

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Anymore.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, but they are beautiful and it's just, it's cool to have animals around. Just, it's cool to be, at least in some kind of form of nature.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm, I'm such an animal lover. I'm, I mean, I, I don't do well, like, that's why I brought your dog toys. I'm like, I just, I just, I don't know, it's part of like who I am, is to have, especially dogs, like that's my, my heart, but.

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  I have a, a foundation called Munt Nation Foundation. I started with my mom, two thousand nine and so far, we've raised over eleven million dollars since then for, it was like a little mom and pop operation back in the day, but, um, but we just, it just has been my heart since I was a little girl. I think growing up in the country where there's just animals everywhere, whether it's deer or stray dogs or stray cats or whatever, I think it just kind of prepped me for, you know, when, when you like get a platform and someone's like, what do you want your charity to be? It's like, oh, I know what it's gonna be.

• 16:19Joe Rogan?

  So what does your charity do?

• 16:21Speaker 03

  We rescue, well, we advocate for rescue. Um, Munt Nation Foundation, we don't have shelters. We lift up the arms of shelters is what we say because we, my mom and dad were private investigators my whole life and so my mom, like, just because we started rescuing dogs just when I was a little girl, you know, you live in the country, people dump them off and whatever. Started adopting some from the shelter as a teenager and volunteering and so, you know, she sort of started vetting shelters just because that's her background, you know, checking up on people, make sure they know what they're supposed to. And, um, and so like two thousand nine, it was like, oh, I kind of started to get a name for myself and. You need to pick something that you're passionate about that you want to give back to. So we started it.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  And basically, we advocate for spay and neuter. We advocate for adopt, don't shop. And we raise money to give to shelters all over the country. Every year, we give a $5,000 grant to a shelter in every state. And try to not repeat. So there's just so many that need help, you know? And there's so many amazing animals out there. We just try to remind people, there's amazing animals out there that you don't have to go buy one.

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  If my, uh, my wife is allergic and one of my daughters are allergic. You still have two dogs. But if I, if that wasn't the case, I'd have like 50 dogs. I, I can't.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  But yours are not non-shutters.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Yours are shutters though, right?

• 17:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they shed. Yeah. That, you know, you just keep them clean. She's not, it's not nearly as bad as when I first met her. When I first met her, she really would get like hives if she pet the dogs. But also, I was not that good at washing my dogs. And they're always in the yard playing around and they're always dirty.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  But if you don't have dogs, dogs are like extra love. You have, your love in your life will be whatever the level's at now, it'd be like 35% higher.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  A hundred percent agree.

• 18:14Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  I'm allergic to everything I love, horses, cats, dogs.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  You're allergic to horses?

• 18:18Speaker 03

  All of it. I just live, I live like, I live on Allegra.

• 18:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's crazy.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Enjoy my life, but I don't care, it's worth it.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  One of my daughters is so allergic that we went to Rome once. And, um, we were on this horse driven, they, they have like these tourist things you do. You sit in the back of a wagon, the horse drags you around the city. And just being downwind of the horse, her eyes were smiling up. We had to get out off the horse and walk the rest of the way. And we had to find a pharmacy.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  It's terrible.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was bad. She's, she's got it bad.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Did she do shots or anything?

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  She did that, she did the whole thing, but they hated it, you know? And when my wife stopped doing shots, then all of her allergies got way better. And she was doing shots because Texas has a lot of allergens, you know? A lot of people that come from places like California, you don't realize it. You come here and then you get whammied with like.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  I was sneezing all the way over here because I just landed.

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you get them too? You get them too?

• 19:15Speaker 03

  I just like, I live in Nashville half the time and, and Austin half the time and I. It's like the two, two of the worst places for allergies. I'm like.

• 19:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, are they really?

• 19:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean.

• 19:25Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know that Austin was that bad and I didn't get them at all until really probably last year I started.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  How long have y'all been here?

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  Five years, almost six. So like, no, five. So like, uh, last year I started getting sore throats and I was like, am I getting sick? What the fuck is going on? Then I went to Vegas for the UFC, no sore throats.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  You're fine.

• 19:44Joe Rogan?

  Came back sore throat again. I'm like, oh damn it, this is an allergy. It's an irritation. Cause it didn't make any sense. I was like, I feel good. I feel like really healthy. But like this hour, this thing in my throat's bugging me. I'm like, maybe I've just gotta be careful. Maybe I'm fighting off a cold. Cause I didn't want to admit it. I was like, everybody else is getting allergies. I'm not getting them.

• 20:03Speaker 03

  But it makes sense if you're like not used to the, the trees and the grass here. I mean, it's like, it's a whole new like ecosystem that you have to get used to.

• 20:12Joe Rogan?

  But the weird thing, they say it takes like three years before it hits you. And I was like, shut up. That doesn't make any sense. But it's true. Yeah, it's true. Seems to be true. Seems to get you after like three years.

• 20:22Speaker 03

  So what do you do about it?

• 20:23Joe Rogan?

  Nothing. Just deal with it. I feel like my body's gonna adapt. I feel like if I just like let my body deal with whatever these allergens are and understand what they are. It'll figure it out. I took a lot of vitamins. It'll be fine. And it seems to be better. Like this year I got like a couple sniffles a few days in a row where I was like thinking I had a cold and then I realized it was high something mold or fucking cedar or whatever the hell it is.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  You just didn't have to pay attention to it before.

• 20:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess. But whatever that is, all the positives about living here like greatly outweigh it.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love it too.

• 20:58Joe Rogan?

  This place rules.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  It does. I'm glad y'all are here. You came in 2020 then, right?

• 21:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, my little brother lives here and his husband Mark and he went to UT and never came home. Our little town, Lindell, Texas, we're presenting today. Um, it's about 80 miles east of Dallas. And so I bought a place here in 2017 and spent a lot of time in Austin.

• 21:19Joe Rogan?

  It's great.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  It's a great town.

• 21:21Joe Rogan?

  I mean, we should probably stop talking about how great it is because people want to move here.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not that great. There's a lot of allergies, guys.

• 21:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, guys, stay home. Don't sneeze. I talked to a lot of people in a movie here and I think I've done talking people. It's like, we're good.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  Well, Nashville's our other city that's happening to, but you know, the more the merrier, really.

• 21:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing about Austin is like, it wasn't really much of a comedy scene. There was one comedy club that closed before I moved here. It had already closed like before the pandemic and I guess like at the beginning of the pandemic it went under. And so the comedy scene here was kind of empty. And you know, when we moved here and we started doing shows here, it was one of the only places in the country where you could do live indoor shows. And we were like, fuck it. And then comedians just started moving here.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:07Joe Rogan?

  Because they were convinced that LA was never going to open. And once I was here and Ron White was here,

• 22:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 22:12Joe Rogan?

  Tony Hinchcliffe was here, everybody was like, well, let's, fuck it. I want to live. I don't, I don't want to be trapped in my house and not be able to perform for a year and a half or whatever it's going to be.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 23:50Speaker 03

  That's great. I, I, my first show back, um, I think it was after like three hundred and thirty-two days.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Of no shows, no bus rides.

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  What did it feel like?

• 24:02Speaker 03

  It was at Billy Bob's in Fort Worth, cause like you said, Texas was like, what COVID? We're gonna go do stuff. We're gonna honky-tonk right now.

• 24:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  So it was, we did a little residency at Billy Bob's.

• 24:13Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  We did five shows and I mean I-

• 24:16Joe Rogan?

  Did you get COVID?

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, but I had it before. I had, I had, I had it before we even knew what it was. It's on the road. Like, I was around so many people. I was on tour. And before we knew what it was, I had this thing, like, none of my tricks worked with, like, all my singer tricks, like, stare at chat, B-12, IV, vocal rest, like, just couldn't shake it. And then a month later, it's like, oh, that's because it's something real bad. We've never heard of. I had to cancel shows, it was terrible. But the show, first show back was, I had five in a row, but the first one was like, just rowdy and like so old school honky-tonk feeling and like, I was crying. It was just, it was a cool moment.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it feels, it feels weird, right?

• 24:58Speaker 03

  It was good to miss it, though.

• 24:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  It was really good to miss it. I, you know, I never had a chance to. I never stopped. Country music especially, like, we just don't, we just tour year round, weekend warriors, make a record, tour it for two years, do it again, repeat, rinse, repeat. And I've been doing this since I was seventeen, so like, just years and years of not knowing if I could miss it, just, you know, grinding. And I did. I mean, I was like, dang, I, I missed my bus, I missed the road, which I wasn't sure would happen.

• 25:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, because it's so grating.

• 25:34Speaker 03

  It is, it's hard. And so, uh, yeah, I was, I was happy to be back, but, um, but now it's back harder than ever. It's like just, you know, it's a, it's a different, it hits different after forty. You don't recover as quickly.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Do you, do you ever like carve out vacation times like say like for the month of December, I'm not doing shit?

• 25:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the winter. Like last year, I went to Arizona. I went to, to Phoenix area and rode with all those cowgirls, shooting guns off horses. And I was like, and I was just so rejuvenated and refreshed. And I was like, I need to make that a priority. Like, I just think none of us are good at that. If you're really driven and really goal oriented and like you are, I mean, I have to like make myself. And then I'll go and say, well, they're working me to death. That is me. I'm the one adding shit to my calendar. That is me. My husband's like, you said you were gonna be off this week. Like, well, I had this one. It's like, so I really am making like the priority,

• 26:35Speaker 03

  like take some winter months and, you know, cause we start touring in the spring and don't stop till the winter again. So I feel like it's, you know, it's important.

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  It's intelligent, right? It's an intelligent thing to do, to give yourself a, a forced vacation, some sort of a break. So that just think, think of your creativity as like a battery. You can't run your phone until it's got zero. You gotta charge it. So stick it in the cable, put it into the wall, let it charge for a little while. Like, you gotta think about it that way, I guess.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  What do you do for your chill time?

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't do a lot of chilling.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Well, I don't, I didn't think so.

• 27:13Joe Rogan?

  I just do other stuff.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Same. I was like, I feel like you're, you're preaching to the choir.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, I watch TV. I like to watch like documentaries and stuff and I watch fights and I watch YouTube videos, but I, I can't do it much, or I just don't like that feeling. I feel like I'm wasting time. So I have to keep myself occupied.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  You do other things. But you, well, that's the thing. It's like, I'm not just, you know, going out there to chill out on the couch. I'm like, I'm in the desert doing something physical. Also like,

• 27:46Speaker 03

  Musicians are like, our life isn't that physical, like we don't, it's kind of a, as far as like activity, like we, if we're writing songs, we're sitting around writing songs, we're sitting around practicing, we're just standing there, you know, until the show part, so like I have to make sure I like, my hobbies should be active.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  You know?

• 28:05Joe Rogan?

  Sure, just, and also, do something that like, active stuff stimulates your mind more, and I think active stuff will probably aid in your writing more, right?

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 28:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  It has to, I mean, it just makes sense.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:22Joe Rogan?

  It's, when you, when you sit down to, do you like, sit down and write in front of a computer? Do you wait till an idea comes to you? Do you write on a piece of paper? How do you?

• 28:32Speaker 03

  All of it, um, usually like, I love to co-write, writing by myself, I'm not good at it, I encourage it for any artists I'm mentoring or anything else, but I need to do it myself more, um, because co-writing's fun, you're like hanging around with, which I met you actually, one of my favorite writers, uh, Benefit, Jack Ingram, um, him and John Randall is my other best friend and I, we, which I think you met him too, we, uh, we have a little side project we call the Marfa Tapes, and we would go out to the desert in Marfa, and which is, have you been there yet?

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  No, haven't.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  It is like, a different world.

• 29:07Joe Rogan?

  That's what Rick Rubin says.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  It is a different, literal different world, and it, they're so, like, it's ma- it's magical, I don't know what's in the air out there, but.

• 29:15Joe Rogan?

  How far is the drive, it's like five hours from here?

• 29:17Speaker 03

  About six and a half.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  Six and a half?

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Ooh, is that coffee?

• 29:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you want some?

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, anyway, like, we'll sit around and, JR is amazing guitar player, cheers, thank you, he'll come up with like a riff, or somebody has a title, that's why I like co-writing, I don't know, it's more fun to celebrate it with your friends, you know what I mean?

• 29:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure, I mean, some of the best ideas that comedians ever come up with, we come up in the green room, because we're just riffing.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's always a moment where like, you know, we're hanging around and Tony will say something, well like, dude, write that down, write that down.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Same thing, it's the exact same thing.

• 29:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, well, it's like, you know, creativity is interesting, because you, you want to be inspired, and you're never more inspired than you are around other creative people.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, especially people that are better than you.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure, right?

• 30:07Speaker 03

  It's like, I'm like, oh, you're a really great writer and great musician, we should be friends.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  I need to learn from you and you make me look cool.

• 30:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it kicks up your desire to do better a notch.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, especially like too, I've been working with younger artists and I love seeing their fire like they're like racehorses at the gate, you know what I mean? And it reminds me of how that felt and reminds me to find my moments where I feel that way too.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I feel the same way about working with young comedians. It's important. It's good. It's also, it's like great to see the sparkle in their eye when they do like their first big crowd. You know, like, like, come on, man, this is just like a regular club. Go out there, give me some knuckles.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:52Joe Rogan?

  And you see, watch them kill in front of thousands of people and they come back, like, whoa.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  And you're like, uh-oh, now, now you got the bug.

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, now you got, well, they had the bug already, but it's like, you get to feel it, I get to feel it again for the first time. I've done it so many times, it's almost kind of normal.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:08Joe Rogan?

  Which it never should be normal, you know, and you get to see somebody else experience like the jolt of like what it feels like that spotlight in your face and all those people in the crowd. It's exciting.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  It is, and it's good, it's like, it's a reminder, you know, I think it's so important. People like, people ask you this, like, do you get nervous? Like, I get, uh, I don't get nervous, like, I get, um...

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  Anticipation.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a great word. I don't, I'm gonna start saying that, because I was like, I don't really have an answer, because I care. And I want to do well, and I get like this, it's anticipation, it's not nerves per se.

• 31:43Joe Rogan?

  I think once you stop feeling something, really, you're doing the wrong thing. No matter what it is. I'm sure you feel that whenever you get on one of those horses with a gun in your hand.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, here we go.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  I haven't stopped feeling anything yet.

• 31:55Joe Rogan?

  Here we go, this is crazy, bang!

• 32:00Speaker 03

  I, I'm still feeling all those feels for a while.

• 32:02Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure. I don't know if that'll ever go away, right?

• 32:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 32:06Joe Rogan?

  Because, you know, you're not in control of the horse and it's...

• 32:08Speaker 03

  No, it's not up to you, and I think that's why I like it, because I, I've grown to trust me in my gig. Like, I trust me, I trust my band, but mostly it's up to me. Like, I'm the one standing there in front of the microphone. And I know my capabilities and I know what I can deliver. On a hobby like golf, I'm like, I don't know what the hell is about to happen when I swing this club. This is not up to me.

• 32:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  This little son of a bitch isn't moving and I can't hit it.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  It's just like, I don't know, and the same thing with the hor- it's like up to my horse, not, it's not up to me.

• 32:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  I can aim and I can have the skill and be learning how to ride, but it's about him, you know?

• 32:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  His name is Cool, my shooting.

• 32:52Joe Rogan?

  That's his name?

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:53Joe Rogan?

  With a K or a C?

• 32:54Speaker 03

  It's a C, he's cool.

• 32:57Joe Rogan?

  That's a great Morris Day and the Time song.

• 32:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  You never heard that song, Cool? No. Oh, it's a great song.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  I need to hear it. We have a theme song, I didn't know it.

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we'll give her some of that. We'll have to cut this out, otherwise we'll get removed from YouTube, but play Morris Day and the Time, Cool. This is like during the Prince days. Morris Day and the Time, I think, is like one of the most underappreciated bands from that era, from like the early 90s. Because they got kind of eclipsed by Prince.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  You know, because they were hanging around with Prince and they were part of like the whole Prince.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  I don't know anything.

• 33:30Joe Rogan?

  You don't know what Morris Day and the Times?

• 33:31Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 33:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. Play Cool by Morris Day and the Times.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  I'm making sure it's the right one. I got a version that says it's just Morris Day and then another version popped up that said it was just the Time, so I may need to go.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  Either way, it's always gonna be Morris Day singing. I don't think the Time ever played without Morris. Morris is cool as fuck, though.

• 33:53Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Alright, we'll edit this out. For people at home, sorry, go find this.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  That's awesome. Look at that, look at the clothes.

• 34:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so corny, it's so great, it's so like.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  What year is that like?

• 34:05Joe Rogan?

  God, I don't know. It's gotta be early 90s, right? 91?

• 34:09Speaker 03

  81.

• 34:10Joe Rogan?

  81!

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Dang.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  Wow!

• 34:12Speaker 03

  I wasn't even born on the earth.

• 34:14Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. 1981, wow, I was a freshman in high school.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  I'm an 83 baby.

• 34:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was in my junior year or sophomore year. Yeah, I was a freshman in high school back then, that's crazy. Wow. It was a weird time back then because Prince was so big that there was like a bunch of fake Princes, like people started imitating Prince. It's almost like a lot of-

• 34:37Speaker 03

  That's always what happens.

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah, men become androgynous.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  There's one and then they're like, oh, let's all be like that one, so there's 20 more that aren't as good.

• 34:46Joe Rogan?

  I know, yeah, there's a bunch of fake Michael Jacksons, I'm sure. There was a bunch of people that just tried to do something, like what is he, how, what's that guy doing, you know? And with Prince, it was like, what is this, what's happening here?

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Very, like, very uniquely.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  Authentic.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  Authentically himself, like, so even that was like trying to be too close, probably.

• 35:09Joe Rogan?

  A little bit.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 35:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not as good. That's the problem. You're not as good as Prince. You're awesome. You're great.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:15Joe Rogan?

  But you're Prince is like a once in a generation superstar weirdo talent from Mars.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Exactly. There are those. There's some that just aren't from here.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Right?

• 35:25Joe Rogan?

  That guy was just different than everybody, you know? I remember I was delivering newspapers when I first heard a Prince song. And I was like, this is crazy. Like, who is this guy? It was, I Want to Be Your Lover. Do you remember that? Oh, that fucking song. And it was like, this is a guy singing like a girl on stage. She's like three feet tall and all the women want to fuck him. Like, this is nuts. I have never seen anything like this in my life.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  What's happening?

• 35:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, what did this guy do? This guy's a sorcerer. Like, what? He was so talented that he could wear stilettos on stage and no one cared.

• 36:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  And it wasn't like, boo, what are you dressing like a girl? No one gave a fuck. He was so good and so... There's something about the magnetic personality that he had. There was like, the charisma that he had was like so undeniable that everybody was like, holy shit, what is this?

• 36:18Speaker 03

  That's not taught. That's innate. That's, you're born with that.

• 36:22Joe Rogan?

  You can't teach Prince. How do you teach that?

• 36:24Speaker 03

  No, you don't. Like, you grew up in Jersey, right?

• 36:28Joe Rogan?

  I was born in New Jersey.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  You're born in Jersey.

• 36:29Joe Rogan?

  But I only lived there till six.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Where'd you grow up?

• 36:31Joe Rogan?

  Grew up everywhere. I lived in San Francisco from seven to eleven. I lived in Gainesville, Florida from eleven to thirteen.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  Lots of moving.

• 36:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of moving. And then I lived in Boston from thirteen to twenty-four. Then I lived in New York.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  New York, in the city?

• 36:46Joe Rogan?

  For a few years. No, I live, I couldn't afford parking, so I had to live outside the city. Because I'm a comedian. I had to drive everywhere. I had a lot of road gigs. That's where I made my money.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  So to drive to Connecticut, Rhode Island, like, in the city, it was like, a parking spot was hundreds of dollars a month back then. So I lived in New Rochelle.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  Okay, cool. My husband is, was NYPD. He's, he retired after eight years, but, because I drug him down to Tennessee, and now Texas.

• 37:13Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  And now he says, y'all.

• 37:14Joe Rogan?

  Does he? He says, y'all, unironically? How long has he been there?

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Um, we've been married seven years, so, yeah.

• 37:20Joe Rogan?

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• 38:52Speaker 03

  Uh, but I got to live up there when we first got married. Um, we had an apartment in Soho, and I'm from like, BFE, Lindell, Texas, like, you know, Dallas is our biggest city, and it's 80 miles. So, I had so much fun. Like, I just, he was still a cop, so I just wandered around all day. Like, I had gigs on the weekends, but like, Monday through Wednesday, I'm just like desperate housewives of Soho.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Running around and like going to rock clubs by myself and having lunch by myself and having wine and meet people and It's just it's a city that like nobody cares who you are at all. They're just like

• 39:29Joe Rogan?

  It's an amazing city.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  It's amazing.

• 39:31Joe Rogan?

  If you like cities.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I I mean.

• 39:34Joe Rogan?

  I like visiting.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  Six months was I got my Phil. I love you. We're there a ton um because his family's still there, but I just I enjoyed like really immersing because I'd never done that. And I'm not really a city girl, but I was like, I'm just gonna use every bit of this that I can. Wrote some great songs like wrote one called Firescape. I didn't even know what that was before.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  What's Firescape? You can walk out the door.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  You know, so it was it was cool. It was a cool time, but.

• 40:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, that would be a great place to like rewire your brain creatively to write stuff. Because you're just you're forced in a totally different environment.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:12Joe Rogan?

  In the weirdest environment on earth, in my opinion. I think the weirdest environment on earth for human beings is when they're stacked on top of each other in cities.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:19Joe Rogan?

  Because I don't think that's normal at all.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  No, it's not.

• 40:21Joe Rogan?

  I think your whole body just goes whoa like you're always at three or four all day long.

• 40:27Speaker 03

  Always.

• 40:27Joe Rogan?

  Never at zero.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Yes, my husband just now, like we literally talked about yesterday. I was like, you are finally like at a regulated nervous system level. Because you're just I think he was just used to like just you have to vibrate at a different energy.

• 40:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Especially if you're a police officer, like that's a whole different.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? And so finally, like, we have a farm in Tennessee and we were there for like a couple of days this week and just chilling, making cookies and being normal. And it's like he's finally like enjoying that because even when I had my little time in New York City, I was like, this is a it's a lot of like, I couldn't do this 24/7 for long periods of time because I just can't come down and like ground myself.

• 41:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  I need to touch grass.

• 41:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I do too. Being a cop in New York City has got to be like one of the most stressful jobs in the history of the world.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  That's, I mean, that's right up there like below being a soldier in war. Like being a cop. I mean, I have friends that are cops or that were cops that will tell you that the people that are working in the field like as police officers and they're going and seeing things on a daily basis, they're seeing way more carnage, way more fucked up things than these guys who had served. They were both, they did both. They were like, I saw way more as a cop than I ever did as an officer.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  It makes sense. It's a lot. I mean, his whole family, police officers, my whole family is firemen and police officers too. So I think, I think that was kind of our bond anyways, just kind of we grew up exactly the same, just in different parts of the country, but.

• 42:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, I was around a lot of cops when I was a kid because of martial arts. We were always training with cops and you know, I'd listen to stories that they would tell me about like things that they got into. And they were getting into things like that at like on a daily basis. There was always shootouts, there was always car wrecks, there was always murders and domestic violence cases. And it's like, man, how many of those guys are just walking around with severe PTSD and no one cares, no one respects.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  No one's talking about it. Like they're just, you know, I, I think that like they don't even acknowledge it themselves. Like I know my dad worked vice in Dallas for his whole career and

• 42:40Speaker 03

  and back in the day like and my, and my husband like they just don't, and then they just come home and like, you know.

• 42:46Joe Rogan?

  I'd kill my hearing aids too.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  He liked to dog ate it. I guarantee you that he just threw it away.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  He fed it to put peanut butter on that fucking thing.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Good job, Reclaimer. We know what you did now. He put peanut butter on it. That's just wrong. It's just wrong in so many ways.

• 43:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, he probably needed peace and quiet.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, he needs mom to hush.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody shut the fucking world off. You know, the, one of the greatest pool players, if not the greatest pool player of all time is Deaf. There's a guy named Shane Van Boning and he shuts his hearing aid off when he plays.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  So it's just silence?

• 43:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just fuck off world. And he's just in his, like, you could, people could be screaming in the crowd, he doesn't hear shit.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  What is it about pool? Like, what's the, what, you said you play pool, you like it?

• 43:31Joe Rogan?

  I've been playing pool for thirty-five years. Yeah, I've been playing forever.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  But what is it about that particular?

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  Because the balls don't give a fuck who you are, they don't care what you think you are, they don't care who you know, how much money you have, you know, what you've accomplished already, how many shots you've already made, the balls don't care. The pockets are four and a quarter inches wide, and if you don't hit it perfect, it doesn't go in, and it requires all of your concentration. And if you really know how to play pool, then you're dealing with, like, English, so you're dealing with, like, spin on the cue ball, left and right, and you're dealing with draw and follow. It's a dance of the mind and these orbs. You're hitting a ball into another ball and trying to get that thing to go straight.

• 44:19Joe Rogan?

  And it just requires this complete harmony of hand-eye coordination and your spirit. Like, you have to, like, stay calm while you're doing it. That's why.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  That's a very, that's a very good explanation of that. I'm the worst pool player. I mean, you would think, like, playing as many honky-tonks as I have played, that I could play pool.

• 44:42Joe Rogan?

  Most people-

• 44:43Speaker 03

  It's so bad.

• 44:43Joe Rogan?

  That think they can play pool can't play pool. Most people don't know really how to play pool.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  Like, back in my day, it was like, just a place to flirt.

• 44:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's that, it's that. The thing about pool is, once you get down the road, and you start to understand, you get, you really start getting the game and understanding it, and then playing in tournaments, and then gambling, then you're dealing with, like, real pool players, and these could be, real pool players play pool eight hours a day.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  Every day, you have to. Because you know how the thing of, like, being comfortable on stage, or being comfortable riding a horse, being comfortable, like, shooting a bow, or, or playing golf, multiply that times a hundred, and you have pool. Because pool's the only game where you take a stick and you hit a ball into another ball. Everything- Game you hit a ball, you just hit a ball with a stick. But in pool, you're hitting a ball into a ball and controlling the movement of both balls. Like the one that's hitting the ball, you're controlling how it spins off to get perfect position on the next shot. And then the other one, you want to make sure it gets the exact right angle to go into the pocket.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  While you're like calculating all this spin and the geometry of the table and avoiding collisions. It's maddening.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  It's very like, I just got anxiety.

• 46:00Joe Rogan?

  It's maddening.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Just got stressed out.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  It'll drive you crazy. It'll, it's a game that will drive you crazy. But when you catch it, there's a thing called being in stroke and, and being in dead stroke. It's a rare thing. It happens like, you know, once a month or something like that. Where you just can't miss, where you know where everything is. And it's this like calm that comes over like the world dissolves. And all you feel is the table and you're completely in sync with the movement of the balls. You know how many revolutions each ball is gonna make you feel the difference between two extra revolutions? Like you know where, how hard to hit it exactly.

• 46:47Joe Rogan?

  And that's what everybody's chasing. They're chasing this feeling of being in dead stroke.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Why does it happen once a month?

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's so hard to get there. You, you'd probably get, I'd probably get there all the time if I played like a pro. Like eight hours a day, you'd probably get there once a week, but nobody stays there.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  But that's probably the draw that keeps you coming back to it.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  Dudes do drugs just so they can get there. They get hooked on pills. They get, cause they find it like maybe it's amphetamines, maybe it's opiates, whatever it is. Like some guys will do drugs and find that spot and then go back to drugs just to get to that spot.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  From pool?

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  From pool, yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Dang.

• 47:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a nutty game.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  I mean, I've never ever dug into it like that, but.

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, at the highest levels, guys are gambling from hundreds of thousands of dollars in these fucking weird places in Kentucky. And weird pool hall, they streaming online on YouTube. They streaming on different websites.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Dang.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's at the highest level, it is a crazy game. It's a crazy game.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  Well, I never knew that, but I learned a lot about that today.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  I know a dude is one of the best in the world and he can't travel because he needs pills. Cause he, so he can't go like overseas. He can't go anywhere. He can't travel without his pills. If he does, he won't play white.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  Really?

• 48:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's nuts. Yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  It's a head game.

• 48:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's the head. It's, this is my friend Jeremy Jones, he won the US Open, one of the greatest players of all time. He's like, it is the mo- and he plays everything. He played baseball, like at a high level, he plays golf, plays, he's like, it is the most mental game. And it's why nobody's good at it. That's why it never gets to, it never got to a place where it was like really appreciated professionally.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  Cause you have to know how to play it to be, to understand what you're seeing.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:29Joe Rogan?

  To really see people play well, you have to know what the, what's happening.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  I don't, I'd never, I'm not like good at any, I've not played sports, so I'm not good at them.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  No sports at all?

• 48:39Speaker 03

  I didn't really, I mean, I grew up kind of playing softball here and there.

• 48:42Joe Rogan?

  So is golf like the first thing you really?

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Golf is my first and my amount of shooting, which is technically labeled a sport.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  That's a sport for sure.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Um, so that's like, it's new to me. Like, sports are new because I just, I don't know, I started this at seventeen and didn't, and just was laser focused, like horse with blinders, doing country music and then.

• 49:03Joe Rogan?

  What is it like going from just being a regular high school kid and all of a sudden seventeen? Just being thrust into a spotlight?

• 49:13Speaker 03

  Well, I wasn't in the spotlight at first. I was playing shitholes with no lights.

• 49:16Joe Rogan?

  But even shitholes, there's some kind of light. You're on stage.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  The pool devil, I, I don't know, like, I just, I don't know, I, I feel like that, I, I didn't have a choice. It picked me. Like, I, it's the only thing I've ever been good at. Everything is hard. Everything else is hard to me. But like, music was the only thing that I was like, I guess this is what I'm supposed to do, cause I'm actually good at it, like.

• 49:42Joe Rogan?

  Thank God you followed it though. So many people have a thing like that and they say, oh, that's just unrealistic. I can't do that.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  I didn't have a backup plan. That helped. I barely graduated high school. I was like, I don't want to waste my dad's money.

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  That does help.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Going to college. I was like, I have no backup plan. So like, it really does help. The hunger that it creates is like a fire that you can't explain.

• 50:07Joe Rogan?

  And it's not good advice. I would never give the advice of don't have a backup plan because some people are not going to make it.

• 50:13Speaker 03

  No, you're right.

• 50:14Joe Rogan?

  And then they'll blame you. You know, you told me I shouldn't have a backup plan.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  But I really think that for someone who's got some talent and some, a real desire to do that and you can stay the course. You could deal with the hard times. Like you can't have a backup plan. You cannot because that backup plan will rob your time.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:34Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing you have to think of. It robs your focus. It steals from your energy.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  So it'll stop you from reaching your full potential. Fuck your backup plans.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  I mean, it didn't come from me.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it comes from me. Fuck your backup plan.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  And I don't want to get blamed, but I just think that's like, the reason that it happened is a lot of hard work, obviously, and determination. But just nothing else. I have nothing else. Like I was terrible at school, terrible at sports. Had to get tutoring, had to like stay late for the cheerleading dance. Like everything was just hard for me.

• 51:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that's just because you're a great singer. Like that's where your mind works. Like it's just such a wonderful thing that you found the thing that you're really good at.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Oh, lucky.

• 51:22Joe Rogan?

  Because some people, some people don't. They just don't know why. Then they suck at school. They don't know why they can't pay attention. They don't know why they can't be at work on time. They don't know why. They're like, what's wrong with me? And if maybe that person just found that thing and they're like, oh my God, I'm supposed to be riding horses and shooting balloons.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  Exactly. Here I am. I have found me. Yeah, I think it's, I feel like we're the lucky ones when we get to like, we know like this is, this is what I'm supposed to do.

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  This is what I'm going to chase, no matter what it costs. And you know, that doesn't, I see so many people that are so immensely talented that just didn't happen for.

• 52:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  And you don't, and you don't know why. Like the why you said, you don't know if it was one little factor of a period in their life or just not seen at the right time or chasing the right thing at the right time and. I don't know, I feel, I feel very thankful for that, but I'm also like trying to learn new things at 40 because I spent my whole adult life doing that, you know what I mean? So now I'm like, what can we do next? Let's find another hobby.

• 52:30Joe Rogan?

  But that's a great approach, though.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:32Joe Rogan?

  That's great. I mean, recognizing you want to have some more stuff in your life, that's interesting.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  I think that this come, I don't know, does that come with like?

• 52:39Joe Rogan?

  Wisdom, with age?

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Age, wisdom, and, and also feeling accomplished? I mean, I feel like I set my goals, hit them.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  You know, and that feels like, oh.

• 52:49Joe Rogan?

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• 54:55Speaker 03

  Okay, I can take a breath.

• 54:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's gotta be a part of it, right? That's gotta be a part of it. There's gotta be a part that, you know, you can relax a little. Like, not that, you know, you will, you know, when it comes to like writing and singing and stuff. But at least you don't have to worry, like, am I gonna make it? Like, hey, I kinda made it. Yeah. Let's just have some fun.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  And what's the point in ma- the whole idea of making it is like, your life will be better. And you'll have, well, your life will be better if you have more fun.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, find some stuff you like to do.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  Exactly. You seem like somebody that chases a lot of new things and conquers them, which I think is really inspiring.

• 55:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, I chase things that you can never conquer. That's, that's the key.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Well, that's like, that, and no one told me that till I started playing golf and now it's too late.

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  You can't ever win.

• 55:41Joe Rogan?

  For me, it started with martial arts. You never conquer that. There's always gonna be somebody better than you, especially if you're not a professional.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  But you get really, really good at the things that you're pursuing.

• 55:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's probably mental illness. I think something wrong with me. I'm, I'm for sure if I was born in a different time, I was born in the 60s. They didn't really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid.

• 56:03Speaker 03

  Oh, we both have it.

• 56:04Joe Rogan?

  And dope them up. A hundred percent.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  We a hundred percent have it.

• 56:07Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. I got it. Whatever that fucking is, it's a superpower. It's a superpower if you use it right.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so too.

• 56:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just the idea that you have to medicate a kid because he can't sit in school. Like, find out if that kid's good at other stuff.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:20Joe Rogan?

  Find out if there's a thing that, yeah, okay, maybe they can't sit there where someone's teaching them math. Maybe they get bored real quick. Maybe they start talking to their friends. Whatever it is. They probably have a thing they're really good at. If they could find that thing, I bet they're focused like a motherfucker when they're playing video games, right?

• 56:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  So what's that all about? You know? Find the thing that that kid can lock into.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 56:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The thing is like, you make people do things that are completely unnatural. You make people sit down when they're six in a chair while some lady who's making thirty-five thousand dollars a year doesn't like kids is teaching them some shit that she doesn't care about. So there's no energy in the room.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:59Joe Rogan?

  Everything, and then when they're out in the yard with their friends, they're having fun and they're laughing and rah! So they're talking, "This is bullshit. This class sucks." And they're talking to each other and then they get in trouble for talking like, "Ugh."

• 57:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  "Your child's a problem." Is the child really the problem? Seems like the child is a lot of energy. That's not a problem.

• 57:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  You're just, you're not providing an inspiring environment for a growing mind. Just turning you into a dull drone, some worker that just is capable of like shutting themselves off all day and then showing up and then just doing some stuff that they don't want to do because they were taught how to do it when they were a kid, like, "Ugh."

• 57:39Speaker 03

  I feel like there's a lot more opportunities now than there was, like even when I was in school, it's kind of just like Lyndale ISD, like everybody does, learns the same, everybody goes to the same class, you know what I mean? And I just, my mom says I learned differently. She tries to say it nicely.

• 57:56Joe Rogan?

  You learned differently?

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Differently. But looking back, it's the same, like you just described my entire like existence as a student.

• 58:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just yours, it's mine and I think it's most people's. You know, the only class that I really enjoyed was, well, science, I always enjoyed science and I enjoyed art. I always enjoyed that. But even my art, I had a shitty art teacher in high school, was like, like a failed artist, who was like really negative. And he kinda, he kinda ruined art for me.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  Sucked out the vibe, yeah.

• 58:26Joe Rogan?

  Not really, but ruined the idea of me doing it as a profession. I was like, God, I have to be around people like this? This guy's gross. He was just like so negative.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Right, bitter.

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  Just sad, just a sad old dude. I always remember like he ate a basketball. Like his whole body was skinny, but his belly was... And now I know, like I probably drank himself to sleep every night.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  Well, he was...

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  He was sad.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  As an artist trapped in his own lock too, like they couldn't, I mean...

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  Also, he wasn't that good of an artist. That's part of the problem. Part of the problem was like...

• 58:58Speaker 03

  He needed a backup plan.

• 58:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, I just don't think he was, he had a lot of fire in him when it came to anything. And I think the art that he created was a representation of who he is as a human. And he saw these young kids that were talented. I was pretty talented. I was like the third best kid. There's a kid named Kevin that was like a little better than me. And then a kid named John, who was the best guy in our class. And John told me like, like a year or two ago, we're emailing each other back and forth. And John told me that that guy gave him an F. And I was like, okay. So it wasn't just me. That guy's a piece of shit. Cause John was the best artist like I'd ever seen when I was a teenager. And we were all like, fuck, this guy's like the art world? We're out. So none of us became artists.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  That's sad.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was just this, that was what this guy wanted. What this guy wanted was to kill dreams.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  I feel like it's so, especially in that, like how old were you?

• 59:51Joe Rogan?

  When I quit the classes, I stopped my senior year in high... But by then, um, I was also traveling and fighting. By then, I was, that was like when I heavily got into martial arts. So by the time I was seventeen, like my whole senior year, I was traveling around the country.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  It's crazy, that's why I started making money, playing music, seventeen.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  You senior year of high school?

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Joe Rogan?

  Wow. So that must have alienated you from a lot of your friends.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I mean, I was also, um, very big into church choir and stuff. And so I'm like at the honky tonk till four in the morning, cause I was the house band. And then I'm like dragging a leg into church, smelling terrible. Like, no wonder y'all kicked me out of youth group, you assholes. I probably deserved it.

• 1:00:38Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. Like, what'd you do last night?

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Like, my mom had to like go with me for the first like, first like three months of my house gig because I couldn't get in till I was 18 and I was playing in the house band. So she'd be like, oh, good, you can drive and I can drink beer and listen to y'all play.

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious. That's funny.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  But it's funny what you're talking about teachers. Like, I, I feel like there's, there's some that just really, there's that turning point where you meet that one teacher. Or someone that in your childhood or high school years that turns things around for you. I got like, when you're talking about your art teacher, I, this teacher named Ms. Caldwell. And she taught speech and I was a terrified, literal, the shyest kid ever. My parents are both very vibrant and huge personalities. And like, I couldn't get a word in edgewise, so I just didn't talk till I was like 16 because they just wouldn't shut up. They're just constantly, dad's telling old cop stories about his vash days and my mom's a P I, so she's telling all her cool stories.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  And so I just was really shy and my little brother, the same, he's five years younger and like, we just weren't very like vocal. And I somehow got, forgot, I didn't pay attention and didn't put down my classes, you know, like my junior year of high school. And I had got shoved in a class where there was one spot and it was speech honors and it was a debate class. And like, that is not my vibe. I was panicking. My mom came up to the school, I was sobbing, I was like, I can't do this. I, I don't even speak hardly and, but I was singing like here and there, I was singing in church. Like, I could do it if I was singing. But like, still shyly singing, you know what I mean? Like, kind of in the background.

• 1:02:15Speaker 03

  And I, my mom was like, we gotta figure this out. The school was like, well, there's not really any room for her, any other classes and whatever. And it was an honors class. Like, this girl was like barely passing every class except choir.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  They just allowed you to enter into that class?

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  They just somehow. And so then I think, looking back, like Ms. Caldwell and the principal met with my mom and. Um, she looked at Ms. Caldwell and she was like, can she do this? And she was like, she needs to do this. And so, and I had to debate, like, against these seniors and real smart kids, right? And, but it really brought me out of my shell. And so, I'm thankful she wasn't like your art teacher. I'm thankful that Ms. Caldwell was like, no, I see potential in this girl. And if she's gonna, because I sang at the talent show or whatever, she's like, if she's gonna be a singer, she's gonna have to learn to be in front of people.

• 1:03:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  And to like, show her personality and come out of her shell. And it really like, changed my world. Because then, I started playing in bars and I started to like, come into my personality a little bit. Because you can't do this if you don't have, if you aren't confident and, and have confidence in who you are, you know?

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, and the ability to be who you are in between songs.

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  That, that is a really important part.

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and that's where people get to see you.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm thankful for her. Thanks, Ms. Caldwell, love you.

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Damn, Ms. Caldwell killed it.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  She killed it.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, that's beautiful to have a teacher like that. And anyone can speak. The, the anxiety about like, oh, I could never public speak, like, yes, you could. You just, it's not impossible. Can you talk to me? Okay, then you could talk to a bunch of people. You can do it. You might have to do it a bunch of times before you figure it out. But it's not like breathing underwater. You could totally do it.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  It's so scary to me, I mean, honestly, like, you're so good at it. Also comedians, like, that to me is the scariest of all the showbiz that you could pick, is that.

• 1:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's one of them.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  It's, it's.

• 1:04:13Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of what I like about it, though. I like scary stuff because you'll have less people doing it.

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  So you'll be like a big fish.

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  Fighting, that's why I got into comedy. It's like, it's, it's a, it's like, if, say, like, let's say if you want to be a lawyer. You know when people are trying to be a lawyer?

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. You gotta go to law school, you gotta get a degree, you gotta pass the bar, you gotta get hired by a, some sort of a law firm and you gotta try cases and what are you doing? Like, a lot of people trying to be lawyers.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Joe Rogan?

  Because there's a clear pathway. But if the pathway is like foggy, like, how do you be a professional fighter? Like, oh, I'll go that pathway. Like, no one's doing that.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Like, the people that are doing that are all crazy. Like, those are my kind of people. Or if the pathway is how to be a comedian, like, oh, yeah, all these people are all misfits. This is perfect. These are my people. Like, this is perfect. I'll go do that. Like, this is like, I'm insured of being around like-minded, interesting people.

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's a great way to look at it. But I just think, I always think about how, like, the first time you step on the stage and you're, you know, you're showing all your cards, like...

• 1:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember your first time?

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Well, but for a comedian, to me, it's like, songs, songs are different, like...

• 1:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  You know, every, the first game you play, the fir-, whatever, everybody has their first time that they're like, learning their ropes and how to get their feet under them, but, but that's just so raw. Like, here's my jokes, here's my whole heart.

• 1:05:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Here's, I hope you think this is funny. Like, I just, every time I see it, I'm like, that is the hardest thing in show business, period.

• 1:05:49Joe Rogan?

  The first time I ever did it, I was still fighting and I'd, I'd done nothing but martial arts competition, like, literally eight hours a day for my whole life, for six years. And then I was more scared going on stage at an open mic night than I'd ever been fighting, ever.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  That makes sense to me.

• 1:06:05Joe Rogan?

  But I was confused. I was like, why am I scared? Like, this doesn't even make sense. It was so baffling to me. I was like, why am I so nervous?

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  But that makes sense to me. It's just, it's something you, well, you knew you were good at it, but you had to do it in front of people, like...

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  I didn't even think I was good at it. My friends told me I was good at it. And they only told me I was good at it was like, we would go to tournaments and everybody would be terrified. We'd all be like, like, really nervous. And I would be the, the humor. It was gallows humor. So I would be the guy cracking jokes. I'd be the guy doing impressions of each other, like, of different, different friends, like, what they'd be like having sex or whatever it was, and making everybody laugh, saying totally inappropriate stuff.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  And my friend Steve, who I'm still friends with to this day, he was a grown man and I was like fifteen at the time. And to this day, he's still one of my best friends, but he told me, he's like, "You should be a comedian. Like, you're funny." It's like, and I was like, "You think I'm funny because you like me." I go, "But other people can think I'm an asshole." Like, my sense of humor is fucked up. And he's like, "You should just go to open mic night." And I did. And I went to an open mic night and I was like, "Oh, everybody sucks. Oh, this is fine." I was like, "You go to see a few professionals and a few people that are just struggling." I thought everybody would be like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. "I'm gonna get killed up there. This is gonna be terrible." And then I realized like, "Oh, this is just like martial arts or anything else. You start off terrible."

• 1:07:26Joe Rogan?

  And then you try, and then you get better, and then you figure it out, and then, you know. It's like, but I just wasn't, I was just stunned by how scared I was, more than anything.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the first time you ever got on stage, like, at a honky-tonk or?

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a-

• 1:07:43Joe Rogan?

  How old were you?

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  Sixteen. It was a True Value Country Showdown, the Rio Palm Isle in Longview, Texas.

• 1:07:50Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, and I was scared to death. Cause I was like the shy kid, too. My dad's a songwriter, too. You're gonna love this.

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  He's a cop and a songwriter?

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  My dad is a songwriter. He plays guitar. And he had a band, his cop band, on their side gig was all narcs, and they were called Contra Band.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  They were a country band called Contra Band. Can you even?

• 1:08:13Joe Rogan?

  That's a great name.

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 1:08:15Joe Rogan?

  That's a great, that's funny.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he wrote songs, so I was like, "I'm gonna enter this contest." My mom was like shocked. I went, I was like working in the yard. She's like, "Go pick the weeds." I'm like, "Mom, there's an ad on the radio for a contest" "called the True Value Country Showdown, and I wanna enter it." And she was like, "What? You don't even talk, you don't, you're too shy. Like, are you kidding me?" And I was like, "No, I wanna do it." And she was like, "What are you gonna sing?" You had to sing an original song, and I sang one of my dad's.

• 1:08:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow. What was the song?

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  It was called, um- Gosh, now I can't think of it. Too many song titles in my head.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Way too many.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  It's like Dunbar's number.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  There, Here I Go Again, that's what the title is.

• 1:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  And so like, cause I grew up on like, forever I thought my dad wrote like Mama Tried. Because I grew up with him just playing John Pride and Haggard and David Allen Co. and uh, Guy Clark, you know, so I started to realize, oh, some of these are like my dad's originals and some of those are real Haggards, they're not just dads. Um, but like, I got up there and I got, I didn't win, but I, it was like my first, okay, like, like you were just saying, it was my first like, okay, maybe I can, I can do this. Like I, I'm green and I'm shy and I'm new and I'm young, but like I, I'm not terrible. Like I'm, I'm, I'm kind of equal with these guys, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:33Joe Rogan?

  And it's exciting.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:09:35Joe Rogan?

  And exciting.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  And it was, um, I don't know, I'm, I think that's the first time I was like,

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  okay, I found something that doesn't feel foreign to me, that's not so hard to learn, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Do you believe in fate?

• 1:09:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:09:52Joe Rogan?

  You probably should.

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Right? Cause it worked out.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  That's my, my bias about fate. Like, uh, if, if anybody should believe in fate, it's people like you or I, but I'm not sure. Uh, my bias is that I believe in it because it worked out.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, but I mean, if your life is shit and you're like, is this fate? Like, what did I do in a past life? Like, what kind of an asshole was I?

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  And everything just turned out so terrible, you know?

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  Oh, well, there's, there, I mean, I don't know. I feel like, I also met my husband in like a crazy way and so I can't help but believe in fate.

• 1:10:29Joe Rogan?

  There's something to it.

• 1:10:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I believe in it.

• 1:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's something to it. As much as I, my mind, my rational mind wants to ignore the possibility, like the randomness of the universe, the size and scope of it all, do you really think it matters what you do? Do you really think, but it does to you? Right, it has a giant impact on your life and everything matters. Just because there's black holes doesn't mean your fucking, your homework doesn't matter. You know, everything matters.

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Your whole world, everything matters. It's like you can't think that things don't matter, like that the universe wouldn't have a plan for your life. But it seems to have a plan for everything.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  I mean, all of it seems to be happening for some sort of a very bizarre reason, all of it together. So I'm sure that there's something to fate, but it's just, my rational mind wants to go, that's just your ego. It's like silly, you could have been born in Somalia, you know, life could have sucked for you. You know, it's, it's hard to, because fate's a weird one. Like you can't measure it, can't put it on a scale. But it seems to be real.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's real for us.

• 1:11:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  So then it's real.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  And also I'm like, your ceiling is giving me.

• 1:11:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  I love it, the little shooting stars.

• 1:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  And you were like, fate is real, and it was like, boom, and I was like, yeah, it is.

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  If I don't tell people, I didn't tell you, but sometimes people.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  They're like, am I having flashbacks, like what is going on?

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  It's awesome. That's what I love about West Texas, something about, like it's just so vast in the middle of nowhere. Like the stars are, they feel like they're, we call it the Thunderdome when we're, we like lay in the yard and it just feels like they're, you could reach up and grab them.

• 1:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Because it's so dark out there.

• 1:12:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  It's magical.

• 1:12:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're on top of you and you don't have any light pollution.

• 1:12:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the thing that ruins the world.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem with New York City, that's why everybody's so stu-, they're like so, like stuck in their own world. It's because like they don't realize they're in space.

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:12:31Joe Rogan?

  You know? You don't get that break.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, no breaks.

• 1:12:35Joe Rogan?

  There's a break that you get from space that I don't think you get from anything else, where you just like look up and go, oh yeah. Okay, I'm taking all this shit way too seriously.

• 1:12:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Because this is nuts, like just above us.

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  It totally is, and I also, when you said that, it made me think of what we were talking about earlier about wisdom and like, I don't know, just kind of reaching some goals and taking a breath and calming down and going, okay, everything's okay. It's like, I just feel like, I saw shooting stars and lost my train of thought. I have ADHD.

• 1:13:10Speaker 06

  I lost my whole turn.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  Shut them off.

• 1:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, we were talking about space.

• 1:13:16Speaker 06

  What happened?

• 1:13:17Joe Rogan?

  Inspiration.

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• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  What are you zinning over there? What are those?

• 1:15:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, these are Lucy's. They're breakers. You, do you ever take these?

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  I don't know what they are, but I like zins.

• 1:15:48Joe Rogan?

  You like to? Here, try these. These, these are strong, though. They're uh-

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  Oh, like what, sixes?

• 1:15:52Joe Rogan?

  Nine.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  Oh, I'll pass out.

• 1:15:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't do it.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.

• 1:15:58Joe Rogan?

  This is strong. This one's not, yeah. These are nines. Oh, you got some fours? Oh, chuck me a four, son.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  What are, what's the Lucy's? Why are they different?

• 1:16:11Joe Rogan?

  Um, they have like a little thing inside of them that you, you, they're called breakers. So it's like coffee flavored, you put in your mouth.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Just like a zin?

• 1:16:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah. And you crack that little sucker open, it gives you a little blast of flavor.

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  Little sugar, that one's like a little piece of cupcake.

• 1:16:28Joe Rogan?

  Little piece of candy in there for ya. Oh, those are fours, right? So it's not bad. That's a nice. Fours nice.

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  I get up and run out of here. Already getting to concentrate because of the shooting.

• 1:16:39Joe Rogan?

  I saw a dude online, he got a, a fifty milligram one from overseas.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And he tried it and, you know, he was violently ill, lying on the ground, like, I made a terrible mistake. Well, I think he did it for props, you know, like, so he could get some online cred. Just for the views. Did it for the gram. I mean, I guess people, I watched it. I wanted to see, I'm like, you're gonna take a fifty? Oh, you're fucked, dude. And he said, oh my god, it's like drinking battery acid. And then he was lying on the ground at the end of it. It's like, I really fucked up. I made a giant mistake. Cause it's so much nicotine. Fifty milligrams is crazy.

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  But you're so like, so into health and just take such good care of yourself and I, what is the bit, what, like, why, I just tell people, oh, they're good for you. Have one. What do you think? Like, tell me your opinion of these, of this whole craze.

• 1:17:30Joe Rogan?

  Nicotine is not bad for you.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:17:32Joe Rogan?

  The delivery method is what's bad for you. And the delivery method with cigarettes, in particular, with cigarettes that have a bunch of chemicals added to them, that's even worse. Like, the regular cigarettes, like, natural cigarettes, I bet are probably not as bad for you. Dr. Suzanne Humphries, she's a physician who was on here, was explaining to us, like, why regular cigarettes are not as bad, but they're still, it's still not good for you, to be smoking, in your lungs. But nicotine itself is not bad. Nicotine itself is neuroprotectant. Nicotine itself actually is a nootropic, so, which means it's cognitively enhancing. So, nootropics are like vitamins that help brain function, and there's a bunch of them,

• 1:18:15Joe Rogan?

  like, do I have some here? We have some stuff called AlphaBrain that's great.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  I've seen that.

• 1:18:20Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of companies that make different versions of nootropic, but there are, there are nutrients that enhance memory and enhance your verbal, verbal memory, so your ability to recall words, that can enhance peak alpha flow state. Like, they've done, like, real, they've done two double-blind placebo-controlled studies at the Boston Center for Memory with AlphaBrain. It shows more effectiveness than any of the drugs that they had studied over the past, like, nine months before they did this. Like, this is pretty impressive. So, nicotine does that, too. Nicotine enhances your memory, enhances brain function, enhances, it stimulates you. So, there's a lot of benefits to nicotine as a, but the problem is, like, how do you take it?

• 1:19:04Joe Rogan?

  How are you taking your nicotine? You know, probably one of the best ways is maybe gum, you know, and these, these things...

• 1:19:12Speaker 03

  People are wearing patches now and stuff.

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fucking crazy people. That's Ron White, he wears a goddamn patch. What are you doing, Ron? I got a patch on and I'm smoking. He's got a cigar, he's got a zin. Fucking animal.

• 1:19:27Speaker 03

  So good.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  He's such an animal, but I think there's, there's real benefit. I know a guy who puts a nicotine patch on for productivity when he writes.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  That makes sense to me. Like, I feel like, because all the songwriters are, you know, right now, everybody in Nashville is sending. And I'm like, oh, I'll try one. And it like, really does give you a little.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  Stimulant.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, and also have a lot of words in my head. I need to remember words and also be to write new words. So anything to help with that.

• 1:19:58Joe Rogan?

  Anything you want, if you want to help with memory, AlphaBrain is a really good one.

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  I want to try that because I just think like, um, at some point too, when you're tired, you know, it's just like, it feels like you like, you can't, I mean, you saw me lose my train of thoughts. Like, I don't want to be on like, a bunch of Adderall and stuff. I want to be on, I want to find a different method to like, have my brain functioning at the best it can.

• 1:20:21Joe Rogan?

  These are addictive, though. And I gotta say, um, different people have different levels of like, how addicted they get with these. Like, some people can't not have them. I went on vacation, I said, I'm gonna go on vacation and not bring any and see what happens, see if I freak out, just to see. And nothing, zero, nothing. It was like, I kind of missed them, maybe, for a day or two, like, wanted one, didn't have any. And then after like, three days, I was like, oh, this is fine. It's not, it's not like a physical, like, oh, my god, I'm jonesing.

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  It's not like smoking.

• 1:20:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm a shakin', yeah. But I've, I know people that have tried to get off of them that really struggle.

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  I mean, it is addictive. I mean, it's nicotine.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  I think the vapes are the hardest to get off of.

• 1:21:02Speaker 03

  The vapes, like, that's, I don't want heat on my voice either, you know?

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is, if you buy them ones that are like, in the gas station, like, who knows where those are being made?

• 1:21:14Speaker 03

  Like, the ones that heat up?

• 1:21:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, the crazy ones.

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  Adam Curry, do you know who Adam Curry is? He's the first podcaster. He used to be MTV DJ.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:21:25Joe Rogan?

  Good, good friend of mine. He carries around one of those robot lunchbox vapes, those big old crazy ones, where you're blowing.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  And it makes like, noises.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  It's like, got like, a power bar on the side of it. It's so ridiculous. And then he blows his giant, but it's all like, he, he fills it with natural oil, so it's, air quotes, healthy.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  Air quotes.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  That's what they, that's what people say, they smoke American spirits.

• 1:21:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's healthy. Come on, there's an Indian on there.

• 1:21:56Joe Rogan?

  How come they get away with that? Is there, are American spirits owned by Native Americans? No? So how the fuck do they have a Native American on there and not catch any slack? They do, right? Don't they have an?

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  It's a badass package.

• 1:22:08Speaker 04

  I've gotten in trouble in the past for stuff, so.

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  Did they?

• 1:22:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not getting into it.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  I'm getting into tobacco company problems.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  He's like, uh, Anne Pivit.

• 1:22:19Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see that movie The Insider with Russell Crowe?

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  It's about a guy who works for a tobacco company that is explaining, he was a chemist and he was explaining how they added all these different things to make it more addictive and they're trying to kill him in the film because they don't want that information getting out.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:22:36Joe Rogan?

  He's the insider. It's a kinda crazy movie and based on a true story.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They, they put a bunch of shit in cigarettes to try to get you hooked.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Well, then they do it. I mean, it works. People, that's the hardest one, I feel like. It's, it's the most you hear people talking about trying to quit, that and drinking to me. Like, you know what I mean? Just on the daily, like, I'm in a band, so everybody's like, oh, I quit. Now they're all like, you at a zen? You got a zen?

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  Because it's just highly addictive, I guess.

• 1:23:03Joe Rogan?

  It's, it is, but it's, it's, people want something. They just want something to take them out of whatever state they're in. Give me something. Give me a drink. Give me this. Give me a coffee. Like, everybody I know that's in Alcoholics Anonymous, they all smoke or drink tons of coffee.

• 1:23:17Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  It's either or both.

• 1:23:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Cause they just wanna do something, get me, something's not gonna make me suck dick for bus fare, but I'mma at least get a little bit of something different than regular life. I don't wanna be homeless, I don't wanna be cracked out, but.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Give me something. Just give me a little something to take me away from wherever I am right now.

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Not that far away, just a little bit away.

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Just a little next door. Let me go next door and hide.

• 1:23:45Speaker 03

  I'm gonna start saying that when I'm like, can I have a zen? Can I go, I need to go next door.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm gonna go next door. Just a little bit. I don't wanna go too far away. I can hear everybody.

• 1:23:52Speaker 03

  Am I supposed to like break this little candy thing?

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  I do. Yeah, I break it right away. Just crack down on that little sucker.

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  What's in there?

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Probably candy.

• 1:24:00Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  Nice, right?

• 1:24:02Speaker 03

  That's like a little burst of happiness.

• 1:24:03Joe Rogan?

  A little burst of flavor.

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  I went next door.

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  I like those. I like those.

• 1:24:08Speaker 03

  That's funny.

• 1:24:08Joe Rogan?

  My buddy Duncan found out that um his blood sugar goes up when he vapes. Cause he was buying those gas station vapes and you know, he got di-

• 1:24:17Speaker 03

  It's terrible.

• 1:24:18Joe Rogan?

  He got type 2 diabetes because he was eating too much sugar. He's okay, don't worry. Uh but he uh realized, because he monitors his blood glucose, that like when he was vaping, his blood was going through the roof. I go, okay, why do you think that is? Like, why do you think it's strawberry flavored? What the fuck do you think's in there, bro? You're eating candy all day. Like, you're vaping on sugar.

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  Sugar oils?

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:42Joe Rogan?

  It has to be.

• 1:24:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  It has to be. I mean, if it's like grape flavored or whatever the hell it is. It's like, there's some, some, also, who knows what kind of oil they're putting in those damn things?

• 1:24:53Speaker 03

  It stinks.

• 1:24:54Joe Rogan?

  It's probably made in China or somewhere. I watched a video on TikTok of uh these dudes testing them. Some, some dude is just sucking on each one of them to make sure they work at the factory.

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  What's gonna happen to him?

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what's gonna happen to you because you're sucking on the same one that he was sucking on. Nobody cleans those things off. You just get them at the gas station, stick it right in your mouth.

• 1:25:13Speaker 03

  That's like a karaoke mic.

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:25:17Speaker 03

  That's nasty.

• 1:25:18Joe Rogan?

  So nasty.

• 1:25:18Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm spinning this out. Oh, the pause, pause.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're getting rid of it?

• 1:25:22Speaker 03

  Ooh. It gave me a, it's like a-

• 1:25:24Joe Rogan?

  Buzz.

• 1:25:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a little buzz.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little next, you went next door.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like that.

• 1:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  Excuse me, I'm going next door.

• 1:25:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, so anyway, nicotine vapes, not, I don't think they're good for you. Folks, sorry. Cause people thought they were healthier for you than cigarettes, but it turns out like, no. Not only they're not, yeah, here's this, look.

• 1:25:43Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 1:25:44Joe Rogan?

  Look, he's testing all of them. All those cute little pink ones, he's gotta make sure they all work. By the way, how hooked is that guy? That guy must be-

• 1:25:50Speaker 03

  That's awful.

• 1:25:51Joe Rogan?

  Fucking hooked. Where is this taking place? Does it say in the?

• 1:25:57Joe Rogan?

  That guy has to test all of them. I would like to see like what that guy's, that guy looks like he's 15 years old.

• 1:26:04Speaker 04

  Did you see the bottom?

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:26:06Speaker 04

  It says seven to eight thousand tests per day.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  That's terrible.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  Bro, test his lungs. Cause there's a thing called popcorn lung that kids are getting.

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, part of that.

• 1:26:16Joe Rogan?

  The thing about these things is that they're, they're very, very addictive. They're more addictive than I think any other delivery method. Like you just, and the thing about nicotine vapes is the first vape of the day is the only one you really want. The first vape of the day, I would take a vape and be like, ah, this is wonderful. Like this feeling is wonderful. It's wonderful. And then you chase that dragon and you never get it back until the next day. The rest of the day, you're sucking on this thing, go, phew.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Phew, nope, nothing. I didn't, I'm not getting it. I'm not getting that wonderful feeling.

• 1:26:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  You have to have no nicotine in your system and then you had that one hit, it's like, phew, welcome me into your life.

• 1:26:57Speaker 03

  Do you get like, do these people get like that feeling from those patches?

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. I think the patches just make you, da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da.

• 1:27:05Speaker 03

  Like a little Adderall-y?

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, I'm sure people have Adderall patches, don't they? Do they have an Adderall patch? No? Adderall's a sketchy one. I had someone here the other day was telling me they were doing Adderall right before. I want, I did an Adderall, just so I'm ready.

• 1:27:20Speaker 03

  It's like, it's a writing, it's very helpful for writing.

• 1:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 1:27:24Speaker 03

  It's like, you don't want to have, I don't want to need it. So that's why I was like, what brain things can I take?

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  What are Lucy's?

• 1:27:31Joe Rogan?

  What does it say, Jamie? Oh, amphetamine patch, there it is.

• 1:27:35Speaker 03

  Oh, sure are.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  ADHD treatment that lets you control your time your way. They always say that, like, look, there's a woman who's in control. Look at her with her jean jacket on, her arms crossed. I'm in control. She's got a controlled posture. Look at her posture. I'm on a meth patch. I'm in control.

• 1:27:54Speaker 03

  A meth patch, please, Lord, no.

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  You are literally on a drug that will kill your superpower. You got a superpower and you're killing it with a drug so you could focus on.

• 1:28:04Speaker 03

  I definitely don't want a patch of that.

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no thanks.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  No thanks.

• 1:28:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't need it.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  Hard pass.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, maybe somebody needs it. I don't want to judge. But the reality is that stuff, the, the amphetamines in any shape or form are highly addictive.

• 1:28:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:19Joe Rogan?

  And they're passing them out like candy.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  My daughter's in high school and a bunch of kids in high school have air quotes ADHD. And because of ADHD, they get Adderall. And then also they get more time on tests. Because they got ADHD, they can't focus. So they're fucking on speed.

• 1:28:36Speaker 03

  Tricks of the trade.

• 1:28:37Joe Rogan?

  And they get more, yeah, so. Because it's very competitive and parents want to get their kids into colleges. They're, they're, you know, getting their kids diagnosed so they can get their kid hooked on whatever they're probably already hooked on too, because a lot of people that are adults are hooked on it.

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Joe Rogan?

  And you can tell those folks, because they come to the, the parent teacher meetings and they can't shut the fuck up. And they just want to talk to you about everything. Oh, my God. They want to corner me and ask me about some episode I did. Oh, my God, I love that episode that you did with the guy about climate.

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  Your eyes.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  They're so cracked out. They're so obviously cracked out. And there's a lot of people out there just running around cracked out because, but they feel like they got it from the doctor. The doctor gave me this. I'll tell you, 30 milligrams and I'm just a better person. I'm just better about all tasks.

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  I'm actually.

• 1:29:19Joe Rogan?

  My houses.

• 1:29:19Speaker 03

  I like talk to that person daily. Like, I feel like those people are everywhere.

• 1:29:23Joe Rogan?

  They're everywhere.

• 1:29:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, we looked it up. Use perplexity, which is one of our sponsors, and find out how many prescriptions for Adderall they wrote in, let's say, 2024. Let's take a guess.

• 1:29:38Speaker 03

  Ooh, I mean, I could not even ballpark that.

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  I want to say 40 million. I bet it's 40 million prescriptions at least. It's probably a lot more. But I'm going conservative and I'm saying 40 million prescriptions for Adderall in 2024.

• 1:29:56Joe Rogan?

  What do you want? You want to guess?

• 1:29:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Take a guess.

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  Forty, I have your safe, fifty-one.

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Fifty-one. You're probably closer. I bet it's like ninety. I bet it's nuts.

• 1:30:04Speaker 03

  I hope it's not.

• 1:30:05Joe Rogan?

  I bet it is. Because it's like individual people refilling prescriptions. You know, I don't think it's like ninety million patients, but it's a lot. I bet it's all journalists. I bet like most people that are writing things.

• 1:30:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I bet that in, what is it? Okay. How many Adderall prescriptions were written in twenty twenty-four? According to Plexi, forty-five million Adderall prescriptions written in the United States. Well, we were both in the middle.

• 1:30:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:30Joe Rogan?

  You, what did you go fifty-one?

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:32Joe Rogan?

  I said forty. Um, commonly prescribed stimulants for conditions such as ADHD and narcolepsy. This number follows several years of notable growth. Huh. Weird. No more people need it.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  It's up since twenty nineteen. Look at that.

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, notable growth. Data suggests the prescription rates began to decline slightly after a sharp surge during the COVID-19 pandemic. And shortages affected, um, I'll stop. Well, um, two thousand nineteen, it was only thirty-five. Interesting. So it's up ten million. Whoo, that's crazy. Forty-one point four million in twenty twenty-one and forty-five million by twenty twenty-three. I bet there's a lot of people getting it illegally too. Like, what's that number? Okay, let's.

• 1:31:16Speaker 04

  That's because you, there was that shortage.

• 1:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  If they've recovered from it.

• 1:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Well, also, once the shortage started, people got dealers.

• 1:31:23Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  But people are using mushrooms and stuff for that now, too.

• 1:31:27Joe Rogan?

  That's a very different thing.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  I've heard, I've heard a lot about that.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, microdosing mushrooms, that's a very different thing than Adderall.

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:34Joe Rogan?

  That's like the opposite of Adderall.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, even if it's for focus, right? Like.

• 1:31:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm sure it'll help you focus.

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  On something.

• 1:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you gotta be, you gotta mind your Ps and Qs when it comes to your dosages. Also, like, where are you getting it from?

• 1:31:49Speaker 03

  Scary for me. Like, I'm like, where is it from? Like, did you just go to the cow pasture? Because that's like what teenagers do when, I heard they were doing mushrooms, like, they're like cow tipping and going. I mean, I'm from East Texas, so.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, they definitely found them growing on poop. I mean, that's how all humans originally probably discovered psilocybin. They found them on cow poop.

• 1:32:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:09Joe Rogan?

  But, um, the thing about that, though, is like.

• 1:32:14Joe Rogan?

  You gotta get them from somebody who knows what they're doing.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Cause they're, they're all different and you can get some that are crazy strong. Like there's some out there that'll knock you into another universe. So what do you do? Are you just eating a cap? Are you paying attention to the, are you getting them in pill form? Who are you getting them from? Like I have a friend who-

• 1:32:33Speaker 03

  They're all my questions too.

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  Gets them from a friend and I was like, who, who, who's the guy? Who's the guy that you, you not seen these things get packaged? Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  It's a little, little shady.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Super sketch.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:32:45Joe Rogan?

  Super sketch.

• 1:32:46Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  And they're, they all, it's like marijuana edibles before the, the legality in California. When it was medical, they had been, it was crazy. Because now they, they, because of the regulations in California, I think the most they could make them is 10 milligrams. Which is normal. It's a normal dose. But before that, when it was medical, like it became medical in the nineties, they would make 500 milligram Chiba Chews. These, these things that like, they're 500 milligrams, which is insane. It puts you in another dimension.

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  I'd never even heard of that.

• 1:33:20Joe Rogan?

  They're so strong. And my friend Joey, who's a real demon. Joey used to take the wrapper off of 25 milligram ones and give people a 500 milligram one instead.

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Oh, he's a, a real demon.

• 1:33:35Joe Rogan?

  And he would just laugh because he can, he can tolerate insane doses. So he would give people like preposterous amounts.

• 1:33:43Speaker 03

  I have a songwriter friend and I love her dearly, but whatever she says, do this, I'm like, do a quarter of that. Whatever that is to the public, do yourself a service. Do a quarter of that.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Some people have ridiculous tolerances.

• 1:33:57Speaker 03

  For marijuana. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy.

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. For anything.

• 1:34:00Speaker 03

  I'm just over here taking a Lucy from a random dude.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's only four milligrams. It's minor. It wasn't that bad, right?

• 1:34:09Speaker 03

  Mm-mm.

• 1:34:10Joe Rogan?

  I would never, like the nine, I would've told you, like spit that out real quick. It's a lot.

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  It's a lot.

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  I have twelves.

• 1:34:16Speaker 03

  What do you, do you use those for? Real busy days?

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't like them. They, they jolt me too much, but I have them. This is just because Lucy sent them to me. But I think the right dose is three or four. That's right. It's just a little, pick me up, just a little.

• 1:34:28Speaker 03

  Not the cracked out, not the cracked out soccer mom?

• 1:34:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Not the cracked out, not Adderall. I've never tried Adderall. I'm scared of it. I want to try it one day because I'm scared of it. Because I'm like, I need to know what everybody's fussing about. Because everybody I know that's tried it is like, don't try it. You'll love it.

• 1:34:44Speaker 03

  You'll love it.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  You'll fucking love it.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  It is focused. I mean, it is. It really hones, hones in.

• 1:34:48Joe Rogan?

  I have a buddy of mine and his wife told him to stop because he was snorting it. Because he was writing.

• 1:34:52Speaker 03

  That's insane.

• 1:34:53Joe Rogan?

  He's like, that's the best way to get it real quick. And he was like to his wife, he was like, why do you care how I do it? She's like, you're snorting drugs while the kids are asleep. He's like, okay.

• 1:35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a little far, dude. Slow your roll.

• 1:35:06Joe Rogan?

  He's not an addict, though. He just, he just felt like-

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  He's not an addict, though. He's not an addict.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  He felt like he had to snort to really get the most out of it quickly.

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  Well, everybody, like you said, everybody's trying to find something, like-

• 1:35:17Joe Rogan?

  Because I think if you take it as a pill, it probably takes like an hour before it kicks in. And he didn't have an hour. So he's like-

• 1:35:24Speaker 03

  I have a deadline.

• 1:35:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:26Speaker 03

  Does your friend that disappears, does he like have, he doesn't have phone, no digital, nothing?

• 1:35:31Joe Rogan?

  No, nothing.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  I wonder if that digital detox is like one of the hardest ones, I feel like.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be the hardest.

• 1:35:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Joe Rogan?

  I've done, uh, social media detoxes for multiple days. And you genuinely feel better. And then you go, why am I doing this to myself? Or I don't do this.

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:35:48Joe Rogan?

  All the time.

• 1:35:48Speaker 03

  Something that's annoying, if I can just say it, is that like when people do take a break from social media, that's like all they tell you about the whole time. Well, I'm on a break from social media. I'm like, can you be on a break with, from, without telling anybody that you're on a break from social media?

• 1:36:02Joe Rogan?

  Right. They have to tell you how virtuous they are. I, I'm actually on a break of social media, unlike you.

• 1:36:08Speaker 03

  I'm like, cool, bro.

• 1:36:09Joe Rogan?

  You, you little addict. Scrolling through cat videos.

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

  Doom scrolling.

• 1:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of doom scrolling. Um, yeah, it's like people who do yoga. They can't shut the fuck up about it.

• 1:36:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, or people with like a special, a special, like a special diet, like-

• 1:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 03

  Oh, you're hearing about it. You're hearing about it.

• 1:36:27Joe Rogan?

  Vegans are the worst.

• 1:36:28Speaker 03

  You're gonna hear about it.

• 1:36:29Joe Rogan?

  They're the absolute worst. Like, no one has ever met a vegan that didn't tell them they're vegan. It doesn't happen. They always tell you.

• 1:36:36Speaker 03

  Never, not with them.

• 1:36:36Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:13Joe Rogan?

  They'll let you know how virtuous they are.

• 1:38:15Speaker 03

  It's like, you can not eat meat and not tell anyone.

• 1:38:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just shh. Do it as a spiritual growth, like, just like it's an exercise.

• 1:38:24Speaker 03

  It's your little secret with yourself.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, your little secret with yourself is you're not on social media.

• 1:38:30Speaker 03

  So don't tell me.

• 1:38:32Joe Rogan?

  My favorite is people who are on social media making fun of people that are on social media. Cause there's a lot of like really not self-aware people. They're like mocking people that spend all their time on social media while they're making videos on social media. Like, that's rich.

• 1:38:49Speaker 03

  It overwhelms me, honestly. I'm trying to, you can't keep up with it. So I just try, I don't try to keep up with it, but like I was just talking on the way here, I was like, maybe I need to get on TikToks. Like, there's a lot of music on TikTok. Like, there's a lot of musicians and like, we have a label now called Big Loud Texas. Um, our, our office is in Austin. And I'm like, I know there's amazing talent on there and one of our flagship artists, Dylan Gossett, posted something awesome on there and now he's out there crushing it. So I feel like I'm missing out, but then I'm like, do I need one more thing? Like, I, I don't know. It's like this.

• 1:39:22Joe Rogan?

  Do you have an assistant?

• 1:39:23Speaker 03

  Battle. Yeah. And I have a great management team.

• 1:39:26Joe Rogan?

  This is great. Get your assistant on TikTok and then tell them to let you know if anything's cool and show it to you.

• 1:39:31Speaker 03

  She did that and we signed a guy. His name's Alex Lambert.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  You got it.

• 1:39:35Speaker 03

  That's what happened.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Perfect. That way you don't have to be on it.

• 1:39:37Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  So you could avoid it and she'll be a net that catches all the good fish.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  Cameron, it's all you, girl.

• 1:39:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's all you, girl. So like she'll catch the good fish. You don't have to go by the river. Just stay off that TikTok river.

• 1:39:49Speaker 03

  I needed, I needed that talk today because we just had that talk on the plane on the way here today.

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's a raging river of stuff. Yeah, you should be scared.

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  I'm like, ah, I'm already like, ooh, everything's just a lot of information all the time.

• 1:40:01Joe Rogan?

  I know. For me, it's like a, a, a show of force when I leave my phone on the nightstand when I go to the bathroom. It's like, I'm gonna take a shit without my phone.

• 1:40:10Speaker 03

  Do you tell everybody?

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 1:40:12Speaker 03

  See, good.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Just told you.

• 1:40:13Speaker 03

  See, good. See, you're not one of those. You're not like, I'm on a social media break.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  No, my wife has like an app on her phone that shows like how long she's been without social media. Like, if you want to go on social media, you have to go into the app, enter a password and open everything up.

• 1:40:28Speaker 03

  I think that's so smart.

• 1:40:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. And she, she showed me the other day, it was like 90 hours. I was like, that must feel so good. She's like, you feel different. You feel different. It's not good for you. Bad for everybody.

• 1:40:38Speaker 03

  No, but we need it, but we, for some things, I get it.

• 1:40:42Joe Rogan?

  It's great for artists. It's great to promote your work. It's great for comedians to put clips up. It's great for musicians to put songs out there. It's great. It is great in a lot of ways. I'm so happy it exists.

• 1:40:54Speaker 03

  Oh, me too. I was stapling my posters to a phone pole when I started, like. Like, I did it old school, like boots on the ground, walking up to the radio station, knocking on the door, saying, can I play a song? Like, and now, yes. Like, have you ever seen Loretta Lynn's life story? Have you ever seen Coal Miner's Daughter?

• 1:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:41:12Speaker 03

  That. Like, me and my mom with the bologna sandwich in my mom's Ford Expedition, like, driving around all over Texas, me going, I'm a singer-songwriter. Like, and now, I'm like, dang, I'm jealous of the way that people can do it now.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I think you probably developed so much character doing it the way you did it.

• 1:41:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm thankful for that, but I'm also like, well, damn. These kids, they just post something and like, hundred million people see it in a night? Like, what's happening?

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, the problem with that is like, sometimes people get fame they're not really ready for yet. And I think.

• 1:41:45Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 1:41:46Joe Rogan?

  Doing what you did, and going to bars, and then eventually becoming famous after years and years of performing and promoting yourself and getting your chops on stage and really settling into yourself, that is so much better than being like a twenty-year-old kid, like, sits around and comes up with a song. Like, look at Oliver Anthony. All right? Oliver Anthony is a good friend of mine, was, he was selling fucking farm equipment. He makes that Rich Men of North of Richmond song. And all of a sudden, he's a giant superstar, and he's like.

• 1:42:19Speaker 03

  That's jolting.

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  I, I had a phone call with him while it was going down, you know?

• 1:42:25Speaker 03

  Was he just like, help? Like, I mean, that's crazy.

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  He's like, these people are offering me money. I go, don't take any money from anybody. Do not sign with anybody. I go, you don't need anybody. You already did it, all right? You've got talent and you're already famous, right? You just made a giant hit song. Don't give away any of you.

• 1:42:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:42:43Joe Rogan?

  Don't sell it. You know, he's like, well, they're telling me I gotta strike while they are in song. I'm like, fuck those people. They don't know what they're talking about. You could do this again. You could do this again and again and again. And now that you already did it, it's gonna be way easier the second time. Cause everybody's gonna be waiting to see what you say next.

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. I know. And that's like. Also, nobody, you can't learn, it's like you, you do the journey in reverse.

• 1:43:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, he did the first show he ever did was a giant sold out, the first time he ever performed live. Giant sold out show when he was already famous.

• 1:43:15Speaker 03

  It's so mind boggling, I can't even like, put it into words. Cause I'm thinking like how you get your chops and how you, you did it fight by fight, you did it stage by stage when doing comedy like. It just happened so fast and it's like, and then you still have to pay the dues, but it's just backwards, it's like.

• 1:43:34Joe Rogan?

  The thing is though, he paid the dues as a regular, blue collar.

• 1:43:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, he did, for sure.

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  And that's where he developed his character. So that when it all came, he's like, oh my God, I just stepped into a magic story.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Like he had a regular story.

• 1:43:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  And then all of a sudden, a genie came along and abracadabra, the internet. And the internet just put that song out there and everyone's like, holy shit, this song's great. And all of a sudden, he's hugely famous, but he had character from being a real person.

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  Seventeen.

• 1:44:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, impossible, yeah.

• 1:44:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, it scares me. I'm just like, we still gotta go do the work now. We still gotta start developing who you are now, even though the world already knows who they think you are, you know?

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  It's almost impossible if you start too young. Like, we were talking about that with Michael Jackson the other day. That like, no one can teach you how to do that and no one survives that. Everybody who's famous when they're a little kid, they're all fucked up. No one, no one gets through.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  It comes with a really high cost. You can see it.

• 1:44:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I always make the analogy that's like, you're making cement, but you don't put the right ingredients in and you can't go back and remix it.

• 1:44:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  Like if you don't put enough water in, or you don't put enough sand in, that cement sucks. It's always gonna be fucked up and that's what it's like when you're a kid and you get famous. Like you didn't allow that person to mix correctly.

• 1:44:56Speaker 03

  Right. I think that like, that's why I'm glad I, you know, I didn't go to college, but I got to have the, the learning times of just being seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, like just learning life, like while playing music. But it was just kind of in some dive bar somewhere. It wasn't in front of people, you know what I mean?

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:18Speaker 03

  And I, you get to build your character, you get to figure out who you are. And that's why I think the, down by the river and the TikTok river.

• 1:45:27Speaker 03

  I learned two things. I would refer to it as down by the river and I need to go next door.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  The Tik Tok River. Yeah. It's a raging river, too. That's a scary ass river. That river never stops. It never stops.

• 1:45:39Speaker 03

  Which we're thankful for it too, by the way. Like I I found some great talent and learned some really cool recipes and get to talk about rescue dogs, you know? There's the good things about it.

• 1:45:48Joe Rogan?

  There's great things. It's it's basically a new element of human civilization that we have to contend with, that we've never figured out how to. There's no real like precedent on how to navigate this, especially as a child. No children ever grew up with it before. Well, these are the first children that are growing up with it.

• 1:46:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:07Joe Rogan?

  And no one can tell them how to do it right. We can just observe what's going wrong with it.

• 1:46:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  And it's real sketchy.

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:14Joe Rogan?

  It's it's real weird. And people say to me, like, do you let your kids on social media? I'm like, yes, because they have to be able to handle it. And they have to know what it is, but don't but also don't do it. My my one of my daughters, my youngest, also has that same app on her phone. She never goes on social media anymore.

• 1:46:30Speaker 03

  How old is she?

• 1:46:31Joe Rogan?

  She's 15. So she stays off of it and she she'll watch YouTube. She'll watch YouTube videos and stuff like that, but like social media, she's like, it just doesn't. I don't like it. Not go for it. And it gets in the way of school work and it gets in the way of stuff she's doing. So she stays off it. But she's just wise. If I was 15, I'd be fucked.

• 1:46:51Joe Rogan?

  I was so dumb.

• 1:46:52Speaker 03

  Oh, no. I don't believe that for a second.

• 1:46:53Joe Rogan?

  Tik Toking all day. I'd have been making all kinds of stupid videos, try to get attention. And that's also part of the problem is that kids are doing things just to try to get attention rather than doing things because they really love an art form. They're trying to get better at. Like if you make a great song and you're 17 years old and it goes viral. At least you're doing a thing, like you're doing an art thing.

• 1:47:17Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  You're not just trying to get attention. And there's a lot of people out there that don't have a thing. They're just trying to get attention. If you ask young kids, like, what do you want to do when you grow older? When you when you grow up, a lot of them, like a giant percentage of them, just want to be famous.

• 1:47:34Speaker 03

  I I was about to say that. Like, I saw that whatever that study was and I read about it and it was like, but famous for what? Like, you just want to be famous? But what what skill or what trade or what? Like what are you?

• 1:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Just famous.

• 1:47:50Speaker 03

  Why?

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  Kim Kardashian.

• 1:47:52Speaker 03

  Why in the world? Like, that sounds awful.

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, because they see cameras going off and people are staring at you and that's a person, that's an important person. You know, a lot of people just want to be an important person. They want to be a person with the nice stuff. Like, look at the nice house and look at the nice cars and look at the nice watch and the nice this and the. They just want to be an important person and the society that they are growing up in shows them that all you have to do is be famous.

• 1:48:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, Kim Kardashian is one of the most famous people alive. She doesn't do anything. It's not like a thing. Like, we could point to, oh, she's like the best. She's the best painter. She's the best singer. Nope, nothing. Zero. Zero things. Super famous, worth a billion dollars. And then kids are like, that's what I want to do, especially if they're dumb. And unfortunately, a lot of people are dumb. And those people never thought they would ever be famous before, but now you can be dumb and famous.

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  I mean, that's a statement.

• 1:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dumb. You can be dumb and famous and not be good at anything. Like, maybe you be dumb, but you're like the greatest baseball player of all time. That's great. And you're famous. But no, you're dumb and you're famous and you don't do anything. You're not good at a thing. And your, your thing is just.

• 1:49:03Speaker 03

  There's a fulfillment in that, right?

• 1:49:05Joe Rogan?

  I know, right.

• 1:49:05Speaker 03

  It can't, it can't be.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  There's not.

• 1:49:09Speaker 03

  Even if you're not great at the thing, or a thing, or if you try a bunch of stuff and you kind of suck at all of it, but you are working on it, or whatever. There's fulfillment in that. There's.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:19Speaker 03

  There's like, an accomplishment. Like, I paint folk chickens and I'm terrible at it.

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  You what?

• 1:49:24Speaker 03

  A little, just folk art chickens. I don't even know why. I have no idea why. And they're not good at all.

• 1:49:31Joe Rogan?

  You make paintings of chickens?

• 1:49:33Speaker 03

  I just paint them on little canvases.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  What's a folk chicken?

• 1:49:35Speaker 03

  Well, I just call it folk art because it's bad. And when I look up folk art, I'm like, oh, I can do that. Like, some folk art's amazing, but I look up like folk art for beginners and I'll like get inspired. I'll be like, oh, I could, I could do that.

• 1:49:46Joe Rogan?

  Heard that genre before.

• 1:49:47Speaker 03

  Look it up. It's kind of, it's anything and everything.

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, will you please look up folk art? What is the definition of folk art?

• 1:49:53Speaker 03

  That kind of stuff.

• 1:49:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. Reflect the cultural life of a community associated with fields of folklore and cultural heritage.

• 1:50:03Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Huh. It's a 19th century concept.

• 1:50:06Speaker 03

  I don't know anything about it. I just am drawn to it because I think it's cute and fun.

• 1:50:10Joe Rogan?

  Do you have any of your stuff online?

• 1:50:12Speaker 03

  No. It's like in my backpack. I'm not going to show anybody.

• 1:50:15Joe Rogan?

  This is.

• 1:50:16Speaker 03

  It's like I painted one for my mom. She has to hang it up.

• 1:50:18Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting.

• 1:50:20Speaker 03

  Still, like, "Mom, she put it in her kitchen."

• 1:50:24Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know that that was a, show me some more of those images. I didn't know that that was a genre. I had no idea that that was a thing.

• 1:50:30Speaker 03

  But I'm terrible at it and I don't know anything about it and I would like to learn. I want to take some like, I'll look up like YouTube classes or whatever.

• 1:50:37Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, keep it on there? So it's like not realistic.

• 1:50:40Speaker 03

  Folk art chicken.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Okay, there's a folk art chicken. Let's see.

• 1:50:43Speaker 03

  Look, they're so cute. Look how cute they are.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:50:46Speaker 03

  Like that one, like that little chunky one in the middle, the black and white one.

• 1:50:49Joe Rogan?

  Whimsical red hen above your cursor.

• 1:50:52Speaker 03

  That's like, I'm only as good as like, go back. That one. Yeah, that's about.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  See that one that says whimsical red hen right there, above your cursor?

• 1:50:59Speaker 03

  Oh, she's cute.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Above your cursor, Jane. Yeah, click on that one.

• 1:51:02Speaker 03

  See, I could like.

• 1:51:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, but that one.

• 1:51:05Speaker 03

  But you like, and I'll go to like YouTube's of teaching me. All that to say, I'm trying something.

• 1:51:13Joe Rogan?

  I think it's great you're doing different things. Boy, these, some of these chickens are terrible. How about that one?

• 1:51:18Speaker 03

  Hey, it's art. You cannot speak ill of that.

• 1:51:21Joe Rogan?

  Chicken like that, like that chicken, that's, that's a drone.

• 1:51:24Speaker 03

  That's what I look like, for real. They're so bad.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Put in my yard by China.

• 1:51:28Speaker 03

  My husband is probably dying out there that I even brought this up. He's like, are you talking about stupid folk art chickens? So I'm just being there. He's like cooking and I'm just like, I'm painting my chickens right now.

• 1:51:37Joe Rogan?

  Always chickens?

• 1:51:38Speaker 03

  I don't know why. I have no idea. It's easy, that's why.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  Fate.

• 1:51:44Joe Rogan?

  You're designed to be the greatest folk art chicken.

• 1:51:46Speaker 03

  That's my next song, Folk Art Fate.

• 1:51:48Joe Rogan?

  Folk Art Fate. Imagine if that's what it is, like there's something compelling you to tell the world about chicken folk art.

• 1:51:55Speaker 03

  I guess so.

• 1:51:56Joe Rogan?

  But why chick, do you have chickens?

• 1:51:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do have chickens.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  I have chickens.

• 1:51:59Speaker 03

  I love chickens.

• 1:51:59Joe Rogan?

  Chickens are great, right?

• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  They're awesome.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  They're really cute, the ladies. I go in the yard like, hi ladies.

• 1:52:05Speaker 03

  I say, hey ladies. I give them all the scraps. They love everything from the table, like any leftovers. It's funny to watch them though, because they're like picky. Like, the other day, I thought they would eat like leftover breakfast casserole, wouldn't touch it.

• 1:52:18Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  But they were all, they didn't eat the biscuits. Chickens don't like biscuits.

• 1:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe they know the breakfast casserole is eggs. And like, Jesus Christ, this lady's fucking nuts. She's trying to turn us into cannibals.

• 1:52:32Speaker 03

  Ridiculous. I didn't think about that.

• 1:52:35Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's like-

• 1:52:35Speaker 03

  Oh no, what have I done to my ladies?

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  It might be like a natural reaction to them. I'll tell you what they go crazy for is mice. Have you ever seen- Oh, yeah, yeah. So this is how I found out. I used to have a house in California that my wife, she changed our back fence, it was a wrought iron fence, and she changed it to glass. And when she did, she, she signed a death warrant for a bunch of hawks. And they kept slamming into that fucking glass. And like, three of them died in our yard. And one of them got KO'd, but survived. And I was on the road. And she had told me about it, and they'd taken this, this hawk, and they had put it in a box.

• 1:53:20Joe Rogan?

  And when I got back, we got them what's called pinkies. And what pinkies are, are these little baby mice that have, they feed them to lizards and snakes. Like, that's what they're for. Like, when you go to the pet store, they sell you these things. They're not weaned from their mother, and you feed them to snakes. I know, it's dark. So they've, they bought a bunch of them and fed this hawk these little baby mice, and it ate all of them except one. And my daughters were very young at the time. And they're like, we want to keep that mouse, we want to raise it. I'm like, honey, you can't. It's not going to live. Like, it's not weaned from its mother, it won't survive. I go, I'm just going to go see if the chickens will eat it.

• 1:54:03Joe Rogan?

  I put this thing down and these chickens attacked like they were raptors from Jurassic Park. One chicken grabbed it and they all chased her around.

• 1:54:13Speaker 03

  What in the world are you saying?

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  Pulling it out of her mouth. It is that they are so ferocious, like you've never seen anything like a chicken with a mouse.

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  I've never heard this in my life.

• 1:54:23Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna show you a video. And this video, there's a bunch of videos of cats with mice. So, so this is a mouse and why, why do these chickens?

• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  My god.

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  They just kill this mouse and look, they all attack each other trying to steal the mouse away from the one chicken.

• 1:54:37Speaker 03

  Do they eat?

• 1:54:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they eat it quick. Yeah, they devour it.

• 1:54:42Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:54:42Joe Rogan?

  So there's another mouse in there that they don't know about yet. So see, there's one with a cat, so the cat is playing with the, the mouse, like, you know, cats don't kill it initially. They wanna play and this chicken just runs over and snatches it from the cat like fuck you.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  I have never heard this in my life.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  The cat has a mouse and chicken's like, give me that bitch. There's, look, it's got a mouse. And the cat's like, Jesus Christ, you guys are psychos.

• 1:55:05Speaker 03

  Well, who knew?

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, because they're dinosaurs. That's who they are. They're just dinosaurs that are really small that survived the impact of the asteroid.

• 1:55:14Speaker 03

  I also love dinosaurs, so maybe that's why chickens, I'm called to paint my full chickens.

• 1:55:18Joe Rogan?

  You just don't realize how ruthless they are.

• 1:55:20Speaker 03

  I've never heard this in my life. This is blowing my, I'm country as a bumpkin and like I've never heard this.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  They destroy mice. Yeah.

• 1:55:27Speaker 03

  Dang.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  Destroy them. They love them. They tear them apart.

• 1:55:30Speaker 03

  Well, I'm not gonna go do that, but I'm glad I know that now.

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Like nothing I've ever seen before. We also saw a mouse that got loose in the chicken coop once. We had a big chicken coop and a mouse went in there and I saw these chickens just tear that mouse up.

• 1:55:43Speaker 03

  Then my breakfast casserole is not offensive to them.

• 1:55:46Joe Rogan?

  They're eating their own babies.

• 1:55:49Speaker 03

  They're not, we don't have a rooster.

• 1:55:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, I know, but they don't know that. You know, they brood sometimes.

• 1:55:55Speaker 03

  I know, I just let them sometimes and I'm like.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Do you?

• 1:55:57Speaker 03

  Well, I just like, sometimes they look at me like, let me just sit on this. Like, okay, you can have it. That's your egg now.

• 1:56:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they pluck their feathers out.

• 1:56:05Speaker 03

  I know, it's a lot.

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  They get real, it makes you sad. It's like they wanna be a mommy.

• 1:56:10Speaker 03

  They do.

• 1:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and you don't let them. We had a rooster once, but he did not last.

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  I do not enjoy having roosters.

• 1:56:16Joe Rogan?

  They're ruthless little fuckers. Yeah, he attacked my wife and she's like, we're done.

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  Mine attacked me, I'm out on rooster.

• 1:56:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're uh, they're assholes. And but they're doing it because they're trying to protect their hens. Like, they don't know that you're okay. They just think this big fucking thing is moving around their hens. Like this giant person.

• 1:56:35Speaker 03

  They're also mean to the hens, real mean. Brutal, ripping their feathers out, I'm like, I can't do it.

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're nasty.

• 1:56:41Speaker 03

  How many do y'all have chickens?

• 1:56:43Joe Rogan?

  We have uh, fifteen, fifteen or sixteen.

• 1:56:47Speaker 03

  Y'all name them?

• 1:56:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I don't name them, but my daughter and my wife names them. Um, but the rooster, he, we only let him got, he got to maturity and then we gave him to a friend. We're like, this motherfucker can't. I was gonna kill him.

• 1:57:01Speaker 03

  They're mean.

• 1:57:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he attacked me. I went into the, I was like, you just gotta like show him who's boss. He's like, no, no, I'll attack you too bitch.

• 1:57:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  He attacked me and I was like, bitch, I will fucking kill you. And so to avoid killing him, I gave him away. Cause I was totally ready to kill him. Cause when I go in there, he'd face off against me and just leap at me and claw at me.

• 1:57:22Speaker 03

  Mine attacked me too and dad dealt with it. I don't know what happened to him, but dad dealt with it.

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  Soup, turned him into soup. That's the thing about roosters too, I guess you can't like just outright eat them, they're really tough. So if you do kill them, you gotta like, either slow cook them or turn them into soup.

• 1:57:40Speaker 03

  Well, we, we probably did. He didn't tell me.

• 1:57:43Joe Rogan?

  I had a landscaper back when I lived in LA who used to fight chickens. And he took me over his place once.

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  I hate that.

• 1:57:49Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy.

• 1:57:50Speaker 03

  I hate it.

• 1:57:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he had like a hundred, a hundred roosters.

• 1:57:54Speaker 03

  We have done some.

• 1:57:54Joe Rogan?

  Boxers.

• 1:57:55Speaker 03

  My nation has done, we're not just, we don't just help dogs, we help all animals, but dogs are focused. But like, we've helped break up some chicken rings.

• 1:58:03Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda crazy that it's still, it's still around.

• 1:58:05Speaker 03

  It's awful. There's some, it's always out, like we have a farm in Tennessee and there's a whole, this is whole farm, like down the road and it's, they keep them in a tiny cage. I just hate it. And every time we report them, every time, they just pay the fine. You know what I mean?

• 1:58:20Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Well, it's a part of the culture, that's the problem. And they all gamble on it.

• 1:58:24Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  He was Mexican and, you know, from Mexico. And he had uh, all these friends that lived in this neighborhood where he lived in, like you might as well have been in Mexico. It was crazy, everything was in Spanish. And when I went over his place, it's like, his buddy, we went over his buddy's place. His buddy had like a hundred cages in the backyard, in a pit where they would uh, take the roosters. Yeah, and they put spurs on them.

• 1:58:47Speaker 03

  It's so terrible, I mean.

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Knives on their claws.

• 1:58:51Speaker 03

  We we try to like, we got to be part of like some of the, but when you confiscate like that many mean, yeah, I mean, you can't

• 1:59:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:01Speaker 03

  reintroduce them into the world, like, you know what I mean? They're taught to be mean. They're bred for that.

• 1:59:07Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm, yeah, and they'll breed, they'll breed champion roosters from champion other roosters.

• 1:59:13Speaker 03

  Let's just stick to our little backyard hens, how about that?

• 1:59:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just, it's a weird thing because like their, their culture has been, they fight them and then they take the loser and they cook them.

• 1:59:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:24Joe Rogan?

  And you know, he was making it seem like it was no big deal. And it was like to them was their gambling recreation.

• 1:59:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:30Joe Rogan?

  Gather round and guys would come from long distances to bring their chickens to fight.

• 1:59:34Speaker 03

  I hate it.

• 1:59:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. To me, it doesn't freak me out as much as dog fighting. Dog fighting drives me nuts. His pit bulls are the, they're, look, they're very dangerous because they have a very high prey drive and they all often don't, they confuse children with other animals, they don't. But as pets, they are the most loyal, they're the sweetest.

• 2:00:00Speaker 03

  Kind.

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  They love you to death, they love you so much, but there's so many bad ones and so many ones that are raised just to fight. And that part of our culture, that part of society, like the, the underground dog fighting part is like, how can you do that to a dog? Like, how can you do that to the best animal?

• 2:00:20Speaker 03

  Come over the earth, is what it is. Um, I feel like I have some friends that are huge into pit bull rescue and when they're either rehabilitated or just, they get a bad rap period, right? Like, like say, any, any metro shelter you go to, it's ninety percent pit bulls because people are afraid.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:39Speaker 03

  But there, they get such a bad reputation, but there are some amazing. Pities that weren't ever in the fighting rings. They were just overbred and you know, taking it out of a confiscation of a um, of a hoarding situation. Or breaking up the fighting rings and it's the mama dog that's just been having puppies and like, I just wish people would at least open their minds and hearts to like, there are some amazing pities out there or pity mixes, you know?

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  There are, but they're also very dangerous.

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  I get it, I know, they are.

• 2:01:08Joe Rogan?

  They go around other dogs, they will fight those dogs to the death.

• 2:01:10Speaker 03

  I think you're, they have to be vetted, it has to be a well-vetted shelter or adoption, you know?

• 2:01:16Joe Rogan?

  But the problem is oftentimes you don't know their behavior until they're around other dogs.

• 2:01:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, I've had dogs that were great around people. And then I'd get them around any dog and their hackles would go up and they immediately wanted to fight.

• 2:01:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:27Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, oh god, and then you're the asshole because your dog is like, pulling on the leash and you're like, I'm sorry, let me get him out of here.

• 2:01:33Speaker 03

  Right, I know.

• 2:01:34Joe Rogan?

  They, they're dangerous. They're dangerous in that regard because they really are bred to fight.

• 2:01:38Speaker 03

  And I think it takes a special um, household and owner too, to really

• 2:01:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:43Speaker 03

  kind of handle a dog like that.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 2:01:45Speaker 03

  Our best friends, um, Gwen, she's in my band and her and her husband are longtime pit bull uh, rescue family and he, they just know how to like, deal with them and they come around our dogs, they're fine, everything's fine. But it's definitely an alpha male out, like, they kind of show him who's boss right away and

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:03Speaker 03

  and they sort of understand the food chain of the house, you know what I mean?

• 2:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's dogs that are great dogs, but they just need a lot of attention. Like if you have a German shepherd or a Belgian Marmo, you gotta give those things something to do.

• 2:02:17Speaker 03

  You gotta know what kind of breed you're getting too, like, I feel like people, I always preach adopt, don't shop, but I still think you, within the adoption, like, really need to go, I'm gonna spend some time with this dog, I'm gonna talk to its foster family, I'm gonna foster it, just to really understand what kind of breed you're getting. If you want like, a lazy cuddly thing, but still protective, get a Pyrenees, you know what I mean?

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:40Speaker 03

  Just know what you're getting, like, just understand like, Is my household ready? Cause there's a lot of the, what breaks my heart the most is the like owner surrenders and the returns at the shelters. You know what I mean? It's like you didn't think through what you were.

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Right. And then the dog already thought it had a home and now you're bringing him in.

• 2:02:57Speaker 03

  Right, because you, you wanted a lazy dog and you got a cow dog and it needs to run.

• 2:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Great Pyrenees are great because they're kind of a combination of like a lab and a protecting dog. They're a great little balance.

• 2:03:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Like I have a friend who has a Pyrenees and it's like such a good dog and he's like, listen, man, if coyotes come around here, this fucking dog.

• 2:03:15Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Fucks them up.

• 2:03:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:03:18Joe Rogan?

  I go, really? And he goes like, oh, yeah, like you, you ain't never seen a change of personality like this dog when it sees a coyote.

• 2:03:26Speaker 03

  But then they're like laid up on the couch, their legs in the air.

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the sweetest, just rub my belly.

• 2:03:29Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Like a, like I have a Golden who's, he's the best unless you're a squirrel and then he's, he's hell. And he's, and he's a demon.

• 2:03:38Speaker 03

  Yep, exactly.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  He's a squirrel killer, but other than that, he's the sweetest boy. He's just so nice to everybody. Everybody who comes over the house like, you're my best friend.

• 2:03:46Speaker 03

  Golden's the best.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  They're so sweet.

• 2:03:49Speaker 03

  But I love them all. I love them all. We have a Chihuahua. I mean, I, I mean, you, you're getting a Chihuahua, you know what you're getting.

• 2:03:57Speaker 03

  Mean as hell.

• 2:03:58Joe Rogan?

  And nervous.

• 2:03:59Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. So mean. She's sixteen and blind and she still tries to bite. She don't know where you are, but she's like, but I could get you.

• 2:04:06Joe Rogan?

  Sixteen is old.

• 2:04:08Speaker 03

  And blind at the bat, but you know.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:04:10Speaker 03

  Senior doghouse over here.

• 2:04:11Joe Rogan?

  Have you had her since she was a baby?

• 2:04:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:04:13Speaker 03

  I got rid of her from a shelter when she was like eight weeks old. We got two seniors now, but I've lost, I was crazy dog lady when, um, my husband met me and I had eight rescues. Like it seems crazy now, but it, I have farm and land and three were Pyrenees, um, two Golden mixes and then three little, I don't know what's. And I've lost one every year for six years. And so after this, we have two seniors left and my husband's like, my heart can't take this. Like he never had dogs growing up. He loves dogs, but he was like, this is awful. Like ever since we met, we've lost one because they're stare step in age and. So I'm like, I need a, my heart needs a break.

• 2:04:52Joe Rogan?

  It's hard.

• 2:04:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:54Joe Rogan?

  It's hard when they die. It's like, it's, it's so hard. You're so close to them and they only lived like to be fifteen or thirteen and then it's over.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  They're like put here to show us true love. They really are.

• 2:05:06Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, they're not. Meanwhile, what they are is like, we took wolves and turned them into bitches. That's what really, really would happen. Like, I have a King Charles Spaniel, you know, one of those. He's the sweetest. That's my little Charlie. That's Charlie. He is the sweetest. He's so cute. You pick him up, he just kisses your face. He's just so adorable. That was a wolf. At one time, someone took a wolf and turned that wolf into a bitch and like, you're not enough of a bitch. Let me turn you into more of a bitch. And more floppy ears.

• 2:05:38Speaker 03

  And now we have Bernadoodles.

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  It's so weird what humans have done to dogs.

• 2:05:46Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:05:46Joe Rogan?

  That we've created all these like totally helpless little tiny breeds.

• 2:05:51Speaker 03

  I know. It's weird.

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Shih-tzus and all these little tiny things. Yeah, these little.

• 2:05:57Speaker 03

  But they're all amazing and there's plenty at the shelter that y'all should go check out.

• 2:06:01Joe Rogan?

  Look, they're amazing. I love them. But it is a weird thing that we've done.

• 2:06:04Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:06:04Joe Rogan?

  Because they all used to be wolves at one point in time.

• 2:06:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  That's gotta be the weirdest transformation of an animal by human interaction is wolf to dog.

• 2:06:15Speaker 03

  I wonder how, I just wonder like the first one to do it, like, do we know?

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  They think it was just like cavemen by the fire and wolves would come around and they had killed something and they'd throw them a bone. And the, the relationship became the wolves would let them know if intruders were coming.

• 2:06:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:06:31Joe Rogan?

  And then eventually they softened to the point where they could like sleep with these people. So they were like household animals or at least stay around the house. And they trusted them to protect their children. And then, you know, then they developed different breeds that were better at like herding sheep.

• 2:06:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Because you gotta think, like, most wolves killed sheep.

• 2:06:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  So all of a sudden, you could teach a dog to like make sure the sheep don't get killed by wolves, which is nuts.

• 2:06:57Speaker 03

  It's nuts. And it's incredible to watch.

• 2:06:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:59Speaker 03

  And watching dogs, like, bird dogs.

• 2:07:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 2:07:02Speaker 03

  It's one of my favorites. And also, like, the canine units, they blow my mind, like, the things these dogs can do and the stamina they have and.

• 2:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the biggest freak dog that's ever been created is the Belgian Malinois.

• 2:07:14Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  That is a fucking crazy dog. When you see them run up walls and fly through the air.

• 2:07:19Speaker 03

  But like, that's one of the dogs, you're like, you need to know what you're getting.

• 2:07:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:23Speaker 03

  You need like a dude that can run with this dog.

• 2:07:25Joe Rogan?

  All day, and you can't leave him alone, and you can't like, hey man, can you watch my dog when we're gone for a week? Like, nuh-uh.

• 2:07:31Speaker 03

  Uh-uh.

• 2:07:32Joe Rogan?

  Uh-uh. That fucking-

• 2:07:33Speaker 03

  Hard pass.

• 2:07:34Joe Rogan?

  That dog's coming with you, bitch.

• 2:07:36Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:07:37Joe Rogan?

  You need to-

• 2:07:38Speaker 03

  That dog's watching you.

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that dog needs activity.

• 2:07:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen the video of the difference between the way a German shepherd approaches an assailant versus a Belgian Malinois?

• 2:07:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  So they do these drills where they have a bunch of chairs in a room.

• 2:07:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:52Joe Rogan?

  And the German shepherd runs around the chairs to try to get to the guy who's got the bite suit on. The Belgian Malinois goes over all the chairs, just like flies through the air, barely touching the chairs. Watch this.

• 2:08:04Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  So here's the shepherd, see how the shepherd runs around? And he's like, I'm gonna get you, I'm gonna get you, and he finds you and he bites you. Watch the Belgian Malinois. As soon as they let him go, he's like, fuck these chairs, right over them.

• 2:08:15Speaker 03

  That's incredible.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  They're just meat missiles. They're meat missiles. Like, they're designed to go fuck things up. That's their task all day long, and they're crazy smart. They're really smart.

• 2:08:27Speaker 03

  It's intimidating.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they look at you like a raptor in Jurassic Park, like checking you out.

• 2:08:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:32Joe Rogan?

  What are we doing? Am I killing you, or are you just one of my dad's friends?

• 2:08:35Speaker 03

  That's a perfect, perfect analogy.

• 2:08:36Joe Rogan?

  They're like looking right at you like this, you're like, oh.

• 2:08:39Speaker 03

  And you're like, can I pet it? Or is he at work right now?

• 2:08:42Joe Rogan?

  He's working.

• 2:08:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't ever pet Malinois unless I know for sure.

• 2:08:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, same.

• 2:08:48Joe Rogan?

  They're just, it's a working dog, it's a different thing.

• 2:08:51Speaker 03

  Same.

• 2:08:52Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, but it's also kind of crazy that they figured out a way to make a dog into that. Like, how, how, you can make a dog into my dog, which is like, just a cuddle bug? He just, he's just a cuddle bug, he just wants to lie down with you, like today we were watching TV. He just cuddles up, he's like, got his head in my lap and I'm petting him while we're watching TV.

• 2:09:11Speaker 03

  You're like, that's a wolf.

• 2:09:12Joe Rogan?

  He used to be a wolf.

• 2:09:13Speaker 03

  The only one I think about in my house that used to be a wolf is my Chihuahua, because she's the meatest.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  How ironic.

• 2:09:19Speaker 03

  That is a wolf.

• 2:09:20Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny. But it's just so crazy that they figured out a way to make a wolf into a thing that protects animals from wolves.

• 2:09:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Nuts.

• 2:09:27Speaker 03

  I didn't think about it like that.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, some of them, have you ever seen that? What is that shepherd dog, that crazy giant one from Russia? What is it, that enormous, what is it called? Not from Russia. It's like a mountain shepherd. It looks like a werewolf. And it's got really crazy thick hair because of the climate that it lives in, but it's like 200 pounds, like this enormous thing that protects.

• 2:09:52Speaker 04

  Caucasian shepherd.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  That's it, Caucasian shepherd. It literally looks like a werewolf. Like that werewolf that we have out front, American werewolf in London.

• 2:10:00Speaker 03

  That's scary.

• 2:10:00Joe Rogan?

  That's what it looks like. And they just protect, look at that.

• 2:10:02Speaker 03

  Oh, I've seen those, I just didn't know what they're called.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. See if you can find one that's doing bite work.

• 2:10:08Speaker 03

  But look, that one looks sweet.

• 2:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, unless you break into the house. I mean, that thing's cra- Google Caucasian shepherd training, yeah, or bite, yeah, it's right there.

• 2:10:22Speaker 03

  Oh god, that does look like the thing in the front.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  That's fake, but look at the size, that's one like pretending to, see, there's one that's doing bite work though in that other image. That's the word for them, it's like a word of charca. Like, that is a big ass dog. And that's another dog that they use to, um, to protect against wolves. Look at the size of that sucker.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  I mean, it's huge.

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  So what are they doing here?

• 2:10:53Speaker 03

  Where are they, they're Russian?

• 2:10:55Joe Rogan?

  That looks like they're transporting it.

• 2:10:57Speaker 04

  Training, uh, YouTube channel.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, they're training it.

• 2:11:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:02Joe Rogan?

  With a big bag of shitty dog food. That dog food that people buy.

• 2:11:07Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:11:08Joe Rogan?

  That stuff's so terrible.

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  You do farmer's dog.

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:11:11Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 2:11:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We started off with another company called Maeve, which is great, it's frozen, but, um, just the way he eats farmer's dog, the way they eat it, it must taste way better. And it's the same kind of thing.

• 2:11:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:23Joe Rogan?

  It's real food, it's frozen.

• 2:11:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:25Joe Rogan?

  You get it frozen, thaw it out and feed it to him.

• 2:11:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:11:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, he, when he's ready to eat.

• 2:11:30Speaker 03

  They love it.

• 2:11:31Joe Rogan?

  He like devours it, devours it.

• 2:11:33Speaker 03

  I had to start that with my senior dogs because they just had all kinds of things, you know, and everybody had ailments and needed pills and everything else, and I was just like, alright, we're just gonna do the expensive dog food, but I'd... I had three Pyrenees rescues, two Golden Mixes, and like three littler dogs. I'm like, this is like $700 a batch for all y'all to eat. Like, so I started making it for a while, too. Like, I would just make like ground turkey and vegetables.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 2:12:00Speaker 03

  Um, but I just couldn't keep up with it. So, I mean, Farmer's Dog's what we used to.

• 2:12:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's definitely way better than regular dog food. Because way better, anything that can sit on a shelf can't be good for you. It just can't. It's filled with preservatives, and that's not good for dogs.

• 2:12:13Speaker 03

  It's like us living on Cheetos, I feel like, you know?

• 2:12:14Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:12:15Speaker 03

  But sometimes I want to eat them, sometimes. I love them, but...

• 2:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like if you were stuck in a cabin for a week and you couldn't get out, and there's an unlimited supply of Cheetos in the cabin, you're gonna live.

• 2:12:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:12:28Joe Rogan?

  But you're not gonna feel real good.

• 2:12:29Speaker 03

  No, you're not. People are always like, what's on your rider? I'm like, Cheetos and Cheetos, kind of all I need.

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  Said it? That's your rider? Cheetos and Cheetos?

• 2:12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, Cheetos and Cheetos.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. Some people have wacky riders.

• 2:12:41Speaker 03

  What's on your rider?

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Not much.

• 2:12:43Speaker 03

  I have, I have like a cheese tray, maybe, or...

• 2:12:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have a meat tray. A meat tray, um, uh, when I was drinking, it was, uh, we would definitely have like some whiskey on there. And, uh, maybe like a bottle of wine. But I really don't drink anymore. Not that I, yeah, this is like, I wasn't an alcoholic, so it's not like I can't drink. Like, I had a glass of wine with dinner the other night. But it's not, I don't drink anymore. Like, I don't, like, we would, I would go to my comedy club with my friends, or we'd go on the road. I'd have a couple of glasses of this, and a couple of glasses of that, and a margarita at dinner, and then the next day I'd feel like shit. And it wasn't ever like I couldn't stop. It was just I did, and then one day I was like,

• 2:13:29Joe Rogan?

  I think I'm just gonna stop for a while and see how I feel. And I felt so much better, so much better. Because I was drinking like two or three nights a week. Sometimes four. Go out to date, on a date with my wife, I have a couple of drinks. I'd go to the comedy club, have a couple of drinks. Maybe I'd have a drink or two with someone in the studio.

• 2:13:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, it just, I mean, I feel like that's showbiz. I mean, it's just part of it. Like, it's part of our culture. And like, we have to bring the party, too. That's the other thing. It's like, how am I supposed to bring the party if I'm not partying with you?

• 2:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:02Speaker 03

  You know?

• 2:14:03Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem.

• 2:14:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a problem.

• 2:14:05Speaker 03

  Especially in like the honky-tonk days. Like, I came up in like... Beer joints. I'm talking about like dive bars, you know what I mean?

• 2:14:11Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:14:12Speaker 03

  You just start getting in it with people and then, and then you're on your day off, you're like, oh, we're gonna have a nice date and have a drink. You know what I mean? It just, it, it's kinda spirals.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:14:21Speaker 03

  But we, I love it.

• 2:14:22Joe Rogan?

  I love it too.

• 2:14:23Speaker 03

  I love red wine, like it's my favorite.

• 2:14:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't hate drinking, I just hate how I feel the next day. But like, I'm not, you know, I'd say I'll never do it again. But for now, I'm not doing it anymore. But I'll still have a drink or two. Not even two, not even two, a drink. Like I didn't even have a full glass of wine the other night, I had like a half glass of wine, I'm like, we're good. But like if somebody has a bottle of Buffalo Trace and we're sitting around talking shit, I wanna have a couple of drinks, I might.

• 2:14:52Speaker 03

  You're just giving yourself permission to be wherever you are.

• 2:14:55Joe Rogan?

  I'm just trying to be healthier, is what it is. And I recognize that like if I do all these healthy things for my body, I work out all the time, I eat so well, I take all these vitamins, like why am I letting myself get poisoned four nights a week? That seems stupid. Especially with my lifestyle, it's like, it's better like, even if I just limit it to one night a week, it's better.

• 2:15:13Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  But really, it's better than just not.

• 2:15:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:16Joe Rogan?

  The, the reality is, it's not good for you.

• 2:15:18Speaker 03

  Well, I know, but it's fun.

• 2:15:20Joe Rogan?

  It is fun. It is fun. Getting like catching a buzz is fun, some of my favorite podcasts we've ever done, like when we do Protect Our Parks, we get hammered.

• 2:15:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:28Joe Rogan?

  They're fun.

• 2:15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I bet.

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, people aren't doing it because they're stupid.

• 2:15:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:15:34Joe Rogan?

  There's a reason why they enjoy being drunk.

• 2:15:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:36Joe Rogan?

  And have for thousands.

• 2:15:38Speaker 03

  Thousands of years.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  Thousands of years. I mean, it's probably responsible for so many relationships starting in the first place, so many people meeting people, so many fun friendships.

• 2:15:48Speaker 03

  A lot of the memories too, it's like on the road, after the shows, like, it's, when everybody's just really being themselves, like.

• 2:15:55Joe Rogan?

  It's also a culturally acceptable drug that most people know how to consume. I mean, they might do it wrong, or they might get too drunk, or DUI, or be an asshole, or, it's possible. But it's enough of a normal thing that a, a good percentage of people know when they've had enough.

• 2:16:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  And they know the right dose, you know, you have a couple of drinks, like, I'm good.

• 2:16:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, you know where you're at, whereas. Any other drug that you're trying today is illegal.

• 2:16:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:24Joe Rogan?

  And there any other drug, it's like, who knows what's gonna happen?

• 2:16:26Speaker 03

  Right. Yeah.

• 2:16:28Joe Rogan?

  And if you wanna go next door, like really next door, next door.

• 2:16:32Speaker 03

  I'm going down the street.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can go down the street with whiskey.

• 2:16:35Speaker 03

  With a margarita.

• 2:16:36Joe Rogan?

  Whiskey, go to another town.

• 2:16:38Speaker 03

  It's martinis, like, everybody knows, like, do not drink more than two martinis. Are you an insane person? Like, you can't.

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Everybody knows that?

• 2:16:46Speaker 03

  Everyone should know it. Like, I feel like that's what really...

• 2:16:49Joe Rogan?

  Do you know Bert Kreischer? That motherfucker can put some martinis down.

• 2:16:53Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:55Speaker 03

  I'm like, two's good. Like, that's straight up.

• 2:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're smart.

• 2:16:59Speaker 03

  Just straight, I mean, and then have your glass of wine, whatever you want. I ask two, when you see, like, you know, somebody sitting at a bar by themselves at like three o'clock and they're... And then you're like, dang, that's their third mart- there's their third martini. They're about to hit the deck, and they're fine. I'm like, something's gonna happen later, something's gonna happen later.

• 2:17:15Joe Rogan?

  They probably do it all the time, that's the thing.

• 2:17:17Speaker 03

  That's the, here's your sign, yeah.

• 2:17:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's supposedly better for you, right? Isn't it? Like, do you drink Tito's, like, a vodka martini is probably, is a gin martini the same?

• 2:17:27Speaker 03

  I don't know, I'm a Tito's and Topo's gal. Tito's and Topo.

• 2:17:32Joe Rogan?

  They say that clear liquor's better for you, right? Don't they say that?

• 2:17:36Speaker 03

  I don't know, we've made excuses for every single thing we wanna do today.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  They say tequila is the best for you.

• 2:17:42Speaker 03

  This nicotine's great for us, and this Tito's is clear, it's awesome.

• 2:17:46Joe Rogan?

  It's supposedly better for you, isn't it? Is there a reason why clear liquor, is like a real reason why clear liquor?

• 2:17:52Speaker 04

  There's less additives in it?

• 2:17:53Joe Rogan?

  There you go. Less additives. That's it?

• 2:17:56Speaker 04

  Pretty sure, yeah, I mean, even tequila's got, you gotta find the good stuff.

• 2:18:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, but if you find the goo- that's the other thing, I was reading this thing about how much tequila is fake? How much tequila is not really made with agave?

• 2:18:07Speaker 03

  That's a real, that's a lot.

• 2:18:09Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot of fake.

• 2:18:11Speaker 03

  That'll hurt your ass. I mean, tequila will, it's not forgiving, if you abuse it.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  It's a certain kinda drunk, too.

• 2:18:18Speaker 03

  Don't ask me how I know.

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  Tequila is like a shootout with the cops drunk.

• 2:18:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's like, I shot my teeny with my shotgun, drunk.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  It's a high-speed chase drunk.

• 2:18:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Tequila is just like, ooh, we're drunk on tequila, yikes. Like, you know, you just picture yourself doing something definitely incorrect.

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a funny thing that, I guess it makes sense though, that music and comedy for in a lot of ways is connected to drinking. Because drinking like lowers inhibitions and it makes you wanna sing along and it makes you wanna dance and maybe you don't feel like you got the confidence to dance, but you get a couple of shots, fuck it, let's get on the dance floor.

• 2:19:00Speaker 03

  And it's this, it's like razor, you know, it's just that's like the, that's, it's just a, it's like a feeling and it's, you're part of the party and you're part of the song and you're part of the show and, or whatever, like what I just think, especially, I think our, I think music and comedy are the most as far as show business, like you're, you know, that people just feel like that's something that they go there to do.

• 2:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, there are two things that you have to go see live. You don't have to, I mean, you could just listen to music in your phone and all that stuff, but the reality is it's way better if you're there live.

• 2:19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Like live, going to see live music, to me is like so inspirational because I don't have any skill at live music at all. I don't have any musical talent. I can't play any instruments. So it's just, I don't ever think like, huh, I wonder why they did it that way. Ah, I see where they're going with that.

• 2:19:48Speaker 03

  You can just enjoy it.

• 2:19:49Joe Rogan?

  I could just be entertained.

• 2:19:50Speaker 03

  That's great.

• 2:19:51Joe Rogan?

  And it's, I, I think music is a drug in and of itself because it, it does something to your, a great song does something very powerful to you.

• 2:20:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:01Joe Rogan?

  Like it'll make you feel powerful emotions or powerful inspiration. It's like, it does something that nothing else does. In a weird, weird way.

• 2:20:10Speaker 03

  And it feels so good, like when you have a song that somebody comes up and says, that song changed my life. That song, you know, I have one called House That Built Me that's like the one people come up to me the most and they're like, that's my story. And it's, I didn't write it. I'm like, but that's when I heard it, that's why I was like, this is my story too. And those are the- And like as a songwriter, when you write a song like that, that's, that's the ultimate like reminder of like, this is why I do that, like.

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:39Speaker 03

  It made somebody feel something, it made somebody get through something, it made somebody wanna punch somebody, whatever the emotion is, as long as it brings out emotion, we've done our job, right?

• 2:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Think of how many people you've done that to, how nuts that is. Like you've had so many hit songs, you've had so many songs that resonated with people, where they all felt that feeling when that song came on, like, oh, this is my song!

• 2:21:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:00Joe Rogan?

  This is my song! Turn it up!

• 2:21:03Speaker 03

  I have like the feisty, a lot of the feisty, I mean, I'm, I'm a little calmer now, but it used to be quite the firecracker, just pew pew pew pew. I mean, there's a reason I have revolver tattoo tomorrow, but now I'm shooting them off horses, like just a little like pistol personality, I guess. And so like my feisty songs, I mean, at every single show, pretty much every single show, there's a girl fight in the pit.

• 2:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:21:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, they just get riled up.

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  Girl fights in your shows?

• 2:21:32Speaker 03

  I'm telling you, they just get, I mean.

• 2:21:35Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if you have more girl fights than other female singers?

• 2:21:39Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:21:40Joe Rogan?

  I bet you do, if every single show you have a girl.

• 2:21:42Speaker 03

  Almost every show.

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  I bet that's real odd. Have you talked to other female singers, do they have similar stories?

• 2:21:47Speaker 03

  I haven't asked, how many girls fight at your show though?

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you should ask, you should totally ask.

• 2:21:52Speaker 03

  Cause it's like towards this part where it's like, I call it my ramp up, it's like, gunpowder and lead, little red wagon, momma's broken heart, and like they just start getting wound up.

• 2:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they think about their ex, that motherfucker.

• 2:22:04Speaker 03

  Or he's there and they're fighting, like, it's just a lot.

• 2:22:07Joe Rogan?

  And he's there with another woman.

• 2:22:08Speaker 03

  And I have a front row seat to it, I'll stop if it gets real bad, I'll just stop and go, hey y'all, we're gonna tone, tone her down a little bit.

• 2:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Really, every show?

• 2:22:16Speaker 03

  Almost every show.

• 2:22:17Joe Rogan?

  That's really odd, Miranda.

• 2:22:19Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  I think that's odd, I think that it, that might be a very specific reaction that you have on people.

• 2:22:25Speaker 03

  Maybe, I need, I mean, now, and I'm pretty calm now, I'm like, it's alright, we got some ballots coming up, everybody take a sip, take a seat. Y'all settle down.

• 2:22:35Joe Rogan?

  I think it's great. They're feeling something.

• 2:22:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:39Speaker 03

  Bringing out emotion.

• 2:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Speaker 03

  That's my job.

• 2:22:41Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent. Yeah. I bet it's great at the gym, those songs.

• 2:22:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:45Joe Rogan?

  I think about that bitch they punched at the concert.

• 2:22:49Joe Rogan?

  The elliptical machine.

• 2:22:50Speaker 03

  I have a lot of those like, girl, you're my bitch. Like those kind of girls.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:54Speaker 03

  And I love it. I love that.

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, you can't buy that. That's a weird feeling.

• 2:23:00Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:23:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You have to earn that feeling.

• 2:23:03Speaker 03

  You'll have to come to a show that's like, one that I know for sure is gonna be one of those, like.

• 2:23:07Joe Rogan?

  I would love to. I would love to.

• 2:23:09Speaker 03

  Watch from the stage.

• 2:23:11Joe Rogan?

  I loved you at the McConaughey event. It was amazing.

• 2:23:13Speaker 03

  That's such a cool event, too.

• 2:23:15Joe Rogan?

  It's such a good event.

• 2:23:16Speaker 03

  And I love, I love all those boys and Jack and I've been, I mean, Jack Ingram's one of my heroes from back in the day. Like, I started watching him when I was fifteen and he had such charisma. And that's why I'd be, I wanna do that, you know?

• 2:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:23:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've known him for a really long time.

• 2:23:30Joe Rogan?

  It's such a cool thing when you're going to an event like that and it's for a great cause. So everybody's like super positive about why they're there. It's not just to have fun. It's also it does like such an amazing service for people.

• 2:23:44Speaker 03

  It does. And they do such a good job with that show.

• 2:23:46Joe Rogan?

  They do.

• 2:23:47Speaker 03

  Put together so well.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  You know who blew me away at that show, too, is Lucas.

• 2:23:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's great.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  Woo!

• 2:23:53Speaker 03

  I love him. He is great.

• 2:23:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, people are like, oh, it's Willie Nelson's son. I'm like, oh, okay, that'll be cool. And then he started saying, I was like, holy shit. Like, this guy's fucking great.

• 2:24:05Speaker 03

  He's great.

• 2:24:05Joe Rogan?

  He's not just good, he's great.

• 2:24:07Speaker 03

  Great musician and he's a great guy.

• 2:24:10Joe Rogan?

  Sweetheart.

• 2:24:10Speaker 03

  He's a sweetheart.

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  Super sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah, I've got the, had the pleasure of getting to know him now. He's a really nice guy. A genuine nice guy. But God, can he sing.

• 2:24:21Speaker 03

  He can.

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Like, that dude's got some pipes.

• 2:24:23Speaker 03

  When he really leans into the soul, more soul stuff, it just makes him shine.

• 2:24:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:28Speaker 03

  Cause it's just so different than what people would think it was gonna be.

• 2:24:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:31Speaker 03

  You know?

• 2:24:32Joe Rogan?

  Right. And his pipes.

• 2:24:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:34Joe Rogan?

  Woo! When the notes he hits, I was like.

• 2:24:38Speaker 03

  And when he goes for it, he like sings with his body. Like his whole body, like you know he's going for it and I love it.

• 2:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:44Speaker 03

  And he does this like, I don't know it's gonna hurt later in life, but he does this like back bend thing. We're like, he's on his knees, he's like bent all the way back playing a guitar solo and I'm like, girl, how's he do that? Is that adrenaline or what is that?

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Stretching.

• 2:24:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:57Joe Rogan?

  It's just stretching.

• 2:24:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could probably do that like a decade ago, not now.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  I bet you could.

• 2:25:02Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna try.

• 2:25:03Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 2:25:04Speaker 03

  Well, not on stage.

• 2:25:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, you must have core strength to be on that horse when you're shooting at things.

• 2:25:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know what helps with that is Pilates.

• 2:25:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 2:25:11Speaker 03

  Like I, I ride so much better when I'm doing like consistent Pilates.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  I did Pilates once with my wife. I was like, oh.

• 2:25:17Speaker 03

  It's hard. It's hard as shit.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  A lot harder. It's like yoga in a way that like people think, oh, yoga, you just go in and stretch. You're like, no, no, no. Like go do it. It's fucking hard. It's hard. It's hard. And Pilates is hard. I was like, oh, this is weird. This is using weird muscles.

• 2:25:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, like shaky ones.

• 2:25:33Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:25:35Speaker 03

  Like, you're like, why am I shaking?

• 2:25:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like stabilizing muscles.

• 2:25:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  But it's like a really good thing to balance out other stuff.

• 2:25:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, but that would definitely improve your core strength and allow you to be able to.

• 2:25:47Speaker 03

  When I first started riding, I was like, I'm still not great and I still have fear, you know, on a horse. Like I'm just not super comfortable all the time, you know, when we're going fast. So I'm just learning to work up to that. But when I first started riding, I didn't start riding a horse ever till I was 30 years old and I wish I'd started at four when I was fearless. You know what I mean? Like.

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:05Speaker 03

  But starting at 30, you're like getting on this giant animal and you don't know what you're doing. And my trainer at the time was like, you need to do Pilates. And so I started Pilates and it really helped me. Like it helped, helped me like stabilize myself a little more.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Your trainer told you to do Pilates to help horse riding.

• 2:26:23Speaker 03

  She was my, she was training my horses and teaching me how to ride. She was like, you do not have core strength at all. You need to go do Pilates.

• 2:26:30Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting that you would choose that.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Huh, I guess that makes sense. But I would think that there's other stuff you could do too, like those, you ever see what a bow suit ball is?

• 2:26:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, like standing on that ball with a flat bottom to it, where you like bouncing.

• 2:26:45Speaker 03

  Yes, and they have this, uh, it's like this saddle you sit on and it's for that, like in it. It's like, it's almost like one of those balls, but saddle you sit on, like if you're sitting on a yoga ball. But it's a saddle. And like, like my shooting coach, Kenda, my friend Kenda, she'll tell me, get your gun belt on and get your guns out and sit on your. Is that the yoga ball, the big one?

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:27:06Speaker 03

  The big workout ball?

• 2:27:07Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:27:07Speaker 03

  Sit on that and shoot off that.

• 2:27:09Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense.

• 2:27:10Speaker 03

  Like when you're doing your drills or whatever.

• 2:27:11Joe Rogan?

  Stabilize.

• 2:27:12Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  It's all just about stabilizing.

• 2:27:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:14Joe Rogan?

  You know, a lot, I know a lot of people that sit at their desk on one of those.

• 2:27:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, which is smart.

• 2:27:18Joe Rogan?

  Just, I guess.

• 2:27:21Speaker 03

  I'm glad I don't have to sit at a desk. I don't think I'd do well.

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, I have to sit at this desk, but these chairs, they keep you upright. These are really good.

• 2:27:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're comfy.

• 2:27:27Joe Rogan?

  They're good, they're, they make you sit correctly, or at least encourage you to sit correctly.

• 2:27:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  Rather than a, but when you started doing that, when you were thirty, how long did it take before you started shooting guns off of a horse?

• 2:27:39Speaker 03

  I just started that last year.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:27:40Speaker 03

  I mean, I just started last year. I started, I showed gypsy vanners, they're like draft, lazy draft horses, kinda. Um, I got into those because I was thirty and like, I can't afford to get hurt, like I'm on the road all the time. So I wanted something safe to learn on.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  Have you fallen before?

• 2:27:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, fallen a hundred times.

• 2:27:59Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:28:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I, I tried to do a hundred jumper. I thought I wanted to be, I was like, all excited. I'm like, I'm gonna be a cowgirl. At thirty years old, I'm like, I'm gonna finally be a cowgirl. I'm gonna barrel race. Well, then I learned that's, I didn't want to barrel race. Which kind of the guns, it's patterns and it's going faster on, you have to go around a barrel, so kind of back to that, but. This old cowboy trainer where I got my first horse, he was like, you need to go take English lessons. Because you need your fundamentals, because you can't, you're not just gonna get in a western saddle and act like you know what you're doing. Go take lessons because English is so proper.

• 2:28:34Joe Rogan?

  What is English lesson?

• 2:28:34Speaker 03

  English and like, it's like the hundred jumpers, like the, and dressage, it's like the very proper.

• 2:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:28:40Speaker 03

  You know, English writing is, teaches you the fundamentals, like I'm sitting up straighter talking about. Um, to where western is a lot more loose. And so it just taught me a lot taking English lessons. But I thought I'd do a hundred jumper, which is like, you know, jumping over the poles.

• 2:28:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:57Speaker 03

  And that's where I really hit the ground a few times.

• 2:28:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:59Speaker 03

  I wasn't ready for that, you know what I mean?

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:02Speaker 03

  Just, it's been a cool journey. It's just, I mean, it's a lot to learn.

• 2:29:06Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot to learn. I'm imagining it's also like rough on the body, too.

• 2:29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, it is. That's why I'm like, give me your safe. It's my cool, my horse, he is super safe. I just, I don't, I want to learn really badly and I want to grow and be better, but I don't want to do it at a certain cost, like.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  Do you enter competitions or anything?

• 2:29:28Speaker 03

  I showed my vanners for ten years.

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 2:29:30Speaker 03

  I just went to horse shows and like.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  You said some words I don't understand.

• 2:29:35Speaker 03

  Gypsy Van.

• 2:29:36Joe Rogan?

  I showed my vanners.

• 2:29:37Speaker 03

  My vanners. That sounds dirty when you say it back like that.

• 2:29:40Joe Rogan?

  It does a little.

• 2:29:41Speaker 03

  What's a vanner?

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:29:41Speaker 03

  No, it's my gypsy vanners are the kind of horses I have.

• 2:29:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:29:45Speaker 03

  So I went and showed them in competitions, like just English pleasure, Western pleasure, like just riding around the rail and it's about your technique and.

• 2:29:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:29:57Speaker 03

  It's not like jumping or.

• 2:29:59Joe Rogan?

  So when English, it's just about being in control of the horse?

• 2:30:02Speaker 03

  Yep, it's your technique.

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Making the horse listen to you?

• 2:30:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then, and then I got into the shooting and I'm not going back.

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  Are you gonna do competitions with the shooting?

• 2:30:12Speaker 03

  I did one last year, just, just to like get my first one out of the way.

• 2:30:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 2:30:16Speaker 03

  And it was fun. It was a lot of, I mean, scary. It's scary as shit, honestly. But like, all these girls I ride with are so good. Like they go a hundred miles an hour. Like I'll, I gotta show you, Kendra. Like she is, she is.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  Is her video over?

• 2:30:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's amazing.

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  What's her last name?

• 2:30:32Speaker 03

  Lanseng. It's L A N S E S I E N G. Google it. I'm spelling it wrong.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Jamie will find it.

• 2:30:40Speaker 03

  She's amazing and they go so fast and like, it's a timed, I mean, it's a timed event, right? So you're competing just against you, really, like how, how precise and how fast you could go on your horse.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  So you have like a green light and then you go?

• 2:30:55Speaker 03

  Green light, you go.

• 2:30:56Joe Rogan?

  Do they, how do they start you off? They?

• 2:30:58Speaker 03

  You do.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  What do they say?

• 2:31:00Speaker 03

  They, a flag.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they drop a flag and then you go?

• 2:31:03Speaker 03

  And then you go.

• 2:31:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:31:05Speaker 03

  I didn't go that fast. I did mine in like twenty-eight seconds. She does it in like. Eight seconds.

• 2:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, same course?

• 2:31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:31:14Speaker 03

  She's amazing, but, but that's what, it's something to work towards, like.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  How many times has she wiped out?

• 2:31:19Speaker 03

  Oh, she's broke down as hell. She's broken down. She is cowgirl broke down, but she's still going. She wiped out so bad last year and just gets right back on, keeps going. Riding in a cast, like it's cowgirl way.

• 2:31:32Joe Rogan?

  Riding in a cast?

• 2:31:33Speaker 03

  Tough, tough.

• 2:31:34Joe Rogan?

  That's tough.

• 2:31:35Speaker 03

  They're tough.

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people are built different.

• 2:31:37Speaker 03

  They are.

• 2:31:37Joe Rogan?

  You got any videos?

• 2:31:40Joe Rogan?

  Here we go. I want to see this.

• 2:31:42Speaker 03

  She's awesome.

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Cause I saw that you, you were doing that. I was like, that's bananas. But it looks like fun.

• 2:31:48Speaker 03

  It is fun.

• 2:31:49Joe Rogan?

  Do they have one of those where they do bow and arrow?

• 2:31:51Speaker 03

  They have bow and arrow. There she is.

• 2:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here she goes.

• 2:31:54Speaker 03

  They have bow and arrows.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Woo.

• 2:31:58Speaker 03

  Rifles. The rifles are crazy.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Imagine this lady running up to you on a, on a ranch with a pistol in her hand.

• 2:32:05Speaker 03

  She is legit.

• 2:32:09Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:32:10Speaker 03

  She's one of my besties.

• 2:32:13Joe Rogan?

  Is there a high speed where they're not showing it? Here it goes. Oh, wow.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Oh, man, this is awesome.

• 2:32:22Speaker 03

  She is a literal never misses.

• 2:32:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, now I get it. Okay, this looks like fun.

• 2:32:28Speaker 03

  There's eighty-three patterns, so the horse never runs the same.

• 2:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, um, how is she shooting that many times?

• 2:32:37Speaker 03

  It's five shots and a gun change, so.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you have to change your gun?

• 2:32:40Speaker 03

  You have to change your gun, yeah.

• 2:32:41Joe Rogan?

  So how many bow, how many shots is it total in one of these rounds where you run?

• 2:32:45Speaker 03

  Ten.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Ten. So, okay, so you have ten things.

• 2:32:48Speaker 03

  This is like a highlight reel, but yeah.

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  Ten shots.

• 2:32:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's my bestie who's teaching me how to do it.

• 2:32:55Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. Well, that's how to learn.

• 2:32:57Speaker 03

  She's awesome.

• 2:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Learn from a psycho.

• 2:32:59Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  You gotta have a serious screw loose to be good at that. Wow.

• 2:33:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, look at this dude. Oh, this is her.

• 2:33:11Speaker 03

  That's her and Charles.

• 2:33:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:33:18Speaker 03

  And zero, seven, zero.

• 2:33:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks awesome. It looks like fun.

• 2:33:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's really fun. And it's, uh, I don't know.

• 2:33:30Joe Rogan?

  It's a very country thing to be involved in.

• 2:33:32Speaker 03

  Well, guess what?

• 2:33:33Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 2:33:36Speaker 03

  Guess what, Joe?

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's perfect. It's perfect for you.

• 2:33:39Speaker 03

  We talked about chickens. We talked about dogs. We talked about guns on horses.

• 2:33:44Joe Rogan?

  Archery, hunting, oh, fill in the blank.

• 2:33:48Speaker 03

  Tito's, Tito's.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. That's a very, but that's a very country activity because it's not just horse riding. It's horse riding with pistols.

• 2:33:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, come on.

• 2:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:57Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 2:33:58Joe Rogan?

  I, I, it's, it's funny that I didn't know that that was such a big thing. See if there's one where they do it off with bows and arrows. I want to see that.

• 2:34:05Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 2:34:06Joe Rogan?

  That's.

• 2:34:06Speaker 03

  I haven't seen that in person, but the rifles, like.

• 2:34:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, rifles they do too?

• 2:34:11Speaker 03

  They do it with rifles and you don't have reins. Because you got, you use two hands to shoot the rifle. So like.

• 2:34:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:17Speaker 03

  They're riding with their legs.

• 2:34:18Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:34:19Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:34:19Joe Rogan?

  Right. And the horse is making wild turns. You have to crazy strengthen your legs to keep it in place.

• 2:34:25Speaker 03

  That needs a lot of Pilates.

• 2:34:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. So you can find one where they're doing it, bows and arrows. Because I know that that's how the Mongols did it. That's how the Comanches did it. They learned how to shoot while they were, they, they learned how to time the release of their arrow while the horse was in the air.

• 2:34:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:41Joe Rogan?

  They had the least amount of disturbance.

• 2:34:47Joe Rogan?

  What is this one? Epic Equestrian Mounted Archery.

• 2:34:52Joe Rogan?

  But are they, is this a competition?

• 2:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. So they have targets. Yeah, but this looks like a. British Horseback Archery.

• 2:35:01Speaker 03

  See, that's a, she's in a dressage saddle doing that.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at this. The guy's got the crazy Mongol hat on too.

• 2:35:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that makes, look at that.

• 2:35:14Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  Just in case.

• 2:35:17Speaker 03

  Hobby?

• 2:35:17Joe Rogan?

  No. I don't fuck with horses. It's just. I like them, I love them, I think they're awesome, I don't want to ride them. There you go, there's a whole thing for it. Oh, that's cool.

• 2:35:28Speaker 03

  Oh, that's like a pattern.

• 2:35:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so very similar, similar kind of deal. Terran tactical for horses. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Terran tactical's a tactical range in California, we're going, that's where Keanu Reeves learned how to shoot guns. I used to go there when I lived in California. You do like, "Shooter ready, dee."

• 2:35:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  And you go through a tactical course.

• 2:35:48Speaker 03

  That's what they, that's where we shoot out at, in Scottsdale, is, um, it's a bit called Ben Avery Shooting Facility, and it's like, all of that. It's any, anything that can be shot, is shot there.

• 2:35:57Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 2:35:59Speaker 03

  And they, so Kenda had them build a rodeo arena, so we could do our balloons.

• 2:36:04Joe Rogan?

  That would be the coolest thing to have on your property.

• 2:36:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:07Joe Rogan?

  Have a tactical range, right on your property, where you can.

• 2:36:10Speaker 03

  This place is huge, and it's out there in the desert, so like, there's plenty of space to do all the things.

• 2:36:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what I was thinking about, that, the shooting pistols on the horses, like, when did they figure out to not use bullets? Because like, there had to be a time.

• 2:36:22Speaker 03

  Something happened. Something happened, and the horses wear earplugs too, which is great.

• 2:36:28Joe Rogan?

  That's, they probably had to figure that out later in life, too.

• 2:36:30Speaker 03

  Horses wear earplugs.

• 2:36:31Joe Rogan?

  But when did they figure out, how many people got shot before they realized, hey, we probably shouldn't be using real bullets to shoot these balloons?

• 2:36:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, black powder might be a better call.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Because you got all those people in the audience, and then you got someone on a horse.

• 2:36:43Speaker 03

  It is, and she, she catches hell for it, people are like, you can't be, she's like, it's spectator safe, it's safe for the horses, everybody wears earplugs, it's black powder.

• 2:36:51Joe Rogan?

  Who gets mad?

• 2:36:52Speaker 03

  People, like, everybody wants to bitch about something.

• 2:36:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:55Speaker 03

  You know.

• 2:36:56Joe Rogan?

  But that's just how it's gonna be.

• 2:36:57Speaker 03

  You would know, more than anyone. I don't need to tell you.

• 2:37:02Joe Rogan?

  You can't make everybody happy, it's impossible.

• 2:37:04Speaker 03

  No, you can't.

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  And you're always gonna make someone mad. As long as you realize that, you'll be okay.

• 2:37:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:09Joe Rogan?

  And as long as you stay offline.

• 2:37:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, stay off that TikTok.

• 2:37:13Joe Rogan?

  Stay out of that river, that TikTok river.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of people drown in that river.

• 2:37:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Anything else you want to talk about? Should we wrap this up?

• 2:37:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, we talked about every country thing you can talk about.

• 2:37:26Joe Rogan?

  We basically did. Listen, you're really fun to talk to.

• 2:37:29Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me on here.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. And I love your music and I love your personality, so it was really cool to have you in here.

• 2:37:36Speaker 03

  Come see us on the road.

• 2:37:37Joe Rogan?

  I would love to.

• 2:37:37Speaker 03

  Love to have you.

• 2:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Are you ever in Austin soon?

• 2:37:39Speaker 03

  I'm playing the San Antonio rodeo next year.

• 2:37:40Joe Rogan?

  When is that? What time?

• 2:37:42Speaker 03

  February.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  February. Oh, okay, so like in a couple of months?

• 2:37:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay, we'll try to make it down for that. Are you ever in Austin, though?

• 2:37:48Speaker 03

  I haven't played in Austin in a long time.

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:37:50Speaker 03

  I don't know why. I'm here all the time and I don't know. I need to get that on the books.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay, well, I will come. I will definitely come.

• 2:37:58Speaker 03

  Well, thank you.

• 2:37:58Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. My pleasure. If anybody wants to go find you out on the river.

• 2:38:04Speaker 03

  In the river?

• 2:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Social media, the river.

• 2:38:06Speaker 03

  I'm on all your social media platforms. mirandalambert.com.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay, beautiful. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody.

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