Clawdbot Clearly Explained (and how to use it)

I sit down with Alex Finn to break down how he sets up Moltbot (formally Clawdbot) as a proactive AI employee he treats like a teammate named Henry. We walk through the core workflow: Henry sends a daily morning brief, researches while Alex sleeps, and ships work as pull requests for review. Alex explains the setup that makes this work; feeding the bot deep personal and business context, then setting clear expectations for proactive behavior. We cover model strategy (Opus as “brain,” Codex as “muscle”), a “Mission Control” task tracker Henry built, hardware options, and the security mindset around prompt injection and account access. Timestamps 00:00 – Intro 02:08 – Clawdbot Overview 03:33 – The Morning Brief Workflow 05:01 - Proactive Builds: Trends → Features → Pull Requests 07:27 – The Setup: Context + Expectations For Proactivity 09:38 – The Onboarding Prompt Alex Uses 12:05 – Hunting “Unknown Unknowns” For Real Leverage 12:43 – Using the right Models for cost control 14:18 – Mission Control: A Kanban Tracker Henry Built 17:16 – The future of Human and AI workflow 22:01 – Hardware And Hosting: Cloud vs Local (Mac Mini/Studio) 25:47 – The Productivity Framework 27:10 – The Possible Evolution of Clawdbot 28:53 – Security and Privacy Concerns 33:38 – Closing Thoughts: Tinkering, Opportunity, And Next Steps Key Points I get the most leverage when I treat the agent like a proactive teammate with clear expectations and rich context. Henry delivers compounding value by shipping work for review (pull requests) based on trend monitoring and conversation memory. I separate “brain” and “muscle” by delegating heavy coding to Codex while using Opus for reasoning and direction. I track autonomous work with a dedicated “Mission Control” board so progress stays visible over time. I keep risk contained by controlling environment and account access, especially around email and prompt injection. The #1 tool to find startup ideas/trends - https://www.ideabrowser.com LCA helps Fortune 500s and fast-growing startups build their future - from Warner Music to Fortnite to Dropbox. We turn 'what if' into reality with AI, apps, and next-gen products https://latecheckout.agency/ The Vibe Marketer - Resources for people into vibe marketing/marketing with AI: https://www.thevibemarketer.com/ FIND ME ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/gregisenberg Instagram: https://instagram.com/gregisenberg/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/ FIND ALEX ON SOCIAL Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@AlexFinnOfficial/videos X/Twitter: https://x.com/AlexFinnX Creator Buddy: https://www.creatorbuddy.io/

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• 0:00Greg Isenberg?

  This episode is the clearest explanation of Clawdbot on the internet and how you can use it to make money and be more productive. Clawdbot feels like hiring a digital operator who works around the clock and actually ships. Once you see it in action, it changes how you think about building, how you think about delegating, and how you think about scaling. In this episode, we break down real use cases, how to get started, the risk, and why this is becoming a serious leverage tool for solo entrepreneurs and founders. This just in, Clawdbot has officially been renamed as Moltbot. I'm guessing they got a lot of heat from the Anthropic team, so they must have changed their name. So unofficially Clawdbot, officially Moltbot.

• 0:44Greg Isenberg?

  If Clawdbot has been on your radar and you just want a clear explanation of how you can use this as a solo entrepreneur, as a founder, this episode is for you.

• 1:01Greg Isenberg?

  I've been waiting for this moment. Alex, Mr. Clawdbot Finn has come on the podcast, and by the end of this episode, Alex, what are we gonna learn?

• 1:10Speaker 01

  By the end of this episode, if you listen attentively and closely, you will have your own 24/7 AI employee working for you at all times.

• 1:20Greg Isenberg?

  But I've seen, I've seen videos where that's the promise. Can you, can you, can you commit, can you promise to us that you're gonna showcase use cases that people haven't seen before? They haven't seen, and that by the end of this episode, they'll be able to implement it?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  You are going to have an AI employee that's tracking trends for you, building you product, delivering you news, creating you content, running your whole business. This isn't, this isn't your 101, it's gonna be checking your email, letting you know when you get an email. This is gonna be, you're gonna be running a business by yourself with AI employees.

• 1:55Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, so it's for people who want to make money and be more productive using Clawdbot?

• 2:01Speaker 01

  It's for people who want to actually improve their life, get more productivity, and not just kinda have a Tamagotchi toy.

• 2:08Greg Isenberg?

  All right, let's get into it.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Let's do it. So I have been playing around with this pretty much nonstop for a week now. Uh, I don't think I've slept. This is the most excited I've been about technology. Probably since the first time I used chat GPT, if not in my entire life. Uh, because I really do believe this unlocks a next level. For solopreneurs, probably a lot of people watching this video right now. And then just people who want to get things done. I am a one-person startup. You know, I have my own SaaS that I built and run completely by myself. You know, I'm a YouTube creator. I'm an ex-creator. I have a newsletter. I do 100 things at once. I work from beginning to end of the day.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  And when I got my hands on Claude Bot and when I started trying it, like this isn't hype. If you use this the right way, you're actually going to get insane productivity. Especially if you're someone in kind of my position, the one-person startup. And so let me give you an example. I think I'll give you an example right here that will kind of blow a lot of people's minds. I don't think a lot of people are doing something like this at the moment. So I, for instance, every single day, get a morning brief from my Claude Bot Henry. From moving forward, I will use Henry instead of Claude Bot. Uh, because I treat my Claude Bot with respect and use its name.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  So let me share, first of all, my Telegram chat. I use Telegram to communicate with Henry. That's one of the other kind of mind-blowing things about this, I think, is the fact that you're interfacing just kind of in messaging app on your phone. But I get a morning brief. And we did a lot of setups to get to this point, and I'll go through that setup. I just want to kind of show the power of what we'll be going through here. I get this morning brief and every night while I'm sleeping, Henry does many things for me. First of all, it gives me the weather. That's kind of nice. But I also have him doing a lot of work while I sleep. I have him researching projects that I've talked about. One of the most amazing parts about Claude Bot is it is self-improving,

• 4:17Speaker 01

  constantly self-improving. Every single thing you tell it, it remembers and includes in further conversation, future conversation, right? So for instance, I talked about the fact that I am buying a Mac Studio to run it on in the next couple of weeks. And so it started going and it started looking at different ways to run local models on a Mac Studio overnight while I was sleeping without me asking, and it created an entire report for that.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  It came up with a content repurposing skill because I told it I have a newsletter, I told it I do YouTube, X, whole bunch of things. So it came up, I didn't ask for this, created a content repurposing skill for me so I can easily repurpose my content. Right? It's just improving itself. The most mind-blowing part, I think, of what it did for me over the last few days is it kept an eye on X. It found, if you've been paying attention to X, you know Elon's been talking about giving a million dollars away to the top article, right? It actually found, you know, that this story, articles are popping on X, Elon's giving away a million dollars,

• 5:26Speaker 01

  and it actually built out article functionality for me in my SaaS Creator Buddy. Right? So I have this app Creator Buddy, it's all about X content. And so it actually saw on X that articles are popping off, million dollars, and it built out some article writing functionality in Creator Buddy for me. I woke up, it said, "Hey, I built out this functionality in Creator Buddy that I think would be helpful based on what's trending. Check it out, let me know what you think." And so now I have this employee that is just every night while I'm sleeping, checking what's trending, what's going on, building me little demos and showcases, building new skills based on our conversation from the past day. And then I wake up and I just got to approve things.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  And so I got this article writer functionality, built it out, it created a pull request. So it didn't just push this live on the internet, that'd be insane. You don't want to do that just yet, maybe one day soon, not just yet. Took the pull request, tested it, looked great, works brilliantly. You can write articles.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Look, pushed it to live and just like that, I have new functionality in Creator Buddy based on what's going on. And like this is the like this right here, it took me hours. That's hours saved just like that from my Claude bot being proactive and figuring out what I'm interested in.

• 6:46Greg Isenberg?

  Well, it saves you hours and maybe you you mightn't you. Okay, this is a great idea. Maybe you would have come up with this idea, but maybe you wouldn't have come up with this idea. You know what I mean?

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Right. And that's one of the brilliant pieces of leverage here is this is super intelligence. Right. This is able to think a lot more, a lot quickly and has a lot more context than my brain has. And yeah, I might not have came up with this idea. And luckily it did. And now it's live and my apps and my business are improving literally while I sleep. And I'm just a one person business. I'm not hiring people. This is my employee and it was able to get this done, which is really incredible.

• 7:27Greg Isenberg?

  What? Okay. And naysayer is watching this or listening to this. What are they saying when they're hearing and watching this?

• 7:33Speaker 01

  So I actually get this a lot. I get a lot of naysayers. I get a lot of people going, this is BS. You're making this all up. This is not BS. So here's how you this is all about setup. You don't just turn this on and it starts building you SaaS. There's a lot of setup that goes into getting this type of functionality. I mean, there's a lot of other, I mean, demoing a lot of other things that it built out for me completely autonomously.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  The setup of your Claude bot is critical. What you need to do, because its memory is so strong, is you need to go in and you need to make sure it knows as much about you as humanly possible. Right? You need to make sure if you have a YouTube channel, you put the link to your YouTube channel. You talk about what you create content on. You talk about your hobbies, your interests, every part of your business, what your goals and aspirations are, right? What your relationship status is. Like literally as much as you possibly can, you want to give to it. Cause it's going to remember all of it in every conversation. Then, just like you would a human being, you want to set expectations, right?

• 8:43Speaker 01

  So like you, if you've ever had an employee before anyone watching this, you set expectations with your employee when they first get hired on like what you want that working relationship to be like. And so the big way I got all of this. Is I set the expectation with my Claude bot that I want a proactive relationship where I don't need to give it all its commands, it can just do things without me. And so I have a prompt, Greg, I will send this prompt to you after this, so that you can include in the description, if you'd like. You want to give this prompt, the UI is not great with this here. I'll read it

• 9:25Speaker 01

  out, though, really quick, so people can have an idea of how it works. But when I started my relationship during the onboarding, it's like, okay, you know, what should I know about you? I put this in, but everyone watching, you can just put this in, even if you've already onboarded. I am a one man business. I, at the moment, let me see here, I have a little typo in here. I from, oh, I, no, I don't. I work from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep. I need an employee taking as much off my plate in being as proactive as possible. Please take everything you know about me and just do work you think would make my life easier or improve my business and make me money. I want to wake up every morning and be like, wow,

• 10:06Speaker 01

  you got a lot done while I was sleeping. Don't be afraid to monitor my business and build things that would help improve our workflow. Just create PRs for me to review. Don't push anything live. I'll test and commit. And what this is doing is this is setting the expectations for your working relationship with your Claude bot, right? You want to treat this with respect as a human being, right? As you would treat a human being. And from there, when I said it this, it was like, okay, I want to be able to update you on things. Let's do a morning brief. And it started sending me the morning briefs. And I got a morning brief, like, oh, can you also research my YouTube competitors? And I gave it a list like 20 channels. And then it started including like, oh, this channel, it actually was really interesting. I think I have an example I can

• 10:49Speaker 01

  show you right here. It actually started letting me know whenever other channels had content that performed well. Let me see if I have one of my morning briefs up that has this. Yeah, here we go.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  So it was like, oh, you want me to do competitor research for you? I know what I'll do. I will see when someone posts a video that outperforms their normal videos and let you know in the morning brief. And you can see one of my morning briefs from a couple of days ago. Nate B. Jones, who's another AI channel, posted a video that did better than it normally does on his channel. Right? And so it's little things like this where you just want to set expectations for your relationship, give it as much context about you as humanly possible. And this is really important. Interview it, right? Interview it as much as you can. Where I'm like, I'm a YouTube creator. What can you do for me?

• 11:51Speaker 01

  What, what, what, what task can you do? How can you make my life easier? And it sat there and it thought and it came up with like 10 different things. And one of them was, I'll research your competitors and see when they have outlier videos. And now that's included in my morning brief. I think the issue most people have when they use not only Claude Bot, but any AI tool at all, is they don't hunt the unknown unknowns. And what I mean by that is these AIs have unbelievable power, can do unbelievable things, but we only ever ask it to do things we think of. You want to spend a lot of time saying, hey, here's everything about me. What can you do for me? And find those unknown unknowns.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  And that's how you unlock workflows like this, which are unbelievable and have seriously saved me hours and hours and hours of my life in a week.

• 12:43Greg Isenberg?

  What else, what else can you show?

• 12:46Speaker 01

  I got a good amount. So basically every night it's been building different apps to improve our workflow. One of my favorite things it's been doing is it's actually been built a project management tool. So let me pull this up here. Here we go. It built this, and actually before I show this, let me give one more tip before I go deeper into kind of the tech and building side. Claude Opus is the best model ever made, period. It is fantastic for Claudebot. One issue is even if you're on the $200 plan, you're going to hit your limits if you just use it for everything.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  So what I'm about to show you, I'm about to show you a few things that Henry built for me. You want to make sure when you ask your Claudebot to, hey, be proactive, build things for me overnight, build me, code me stuff. You want to use the right muscles. And what I mean by that is I think of Opus as the brain. You want to use other models as the muscles. Codex is a really good muscle for coding for this. And so set up Codex inside your Claudebot. Say, hey, whatever your name of your Claudebot is, use, only use Codex from here on out for building. And what that's going to do is save you a ton of usage on your Claude so you can use it the whole month and never hit limits.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  And also use other models to build other things out and make it more efficient. So that's just a side tip before I go into this next kind of step in my workflow. But just an example of something it built for me is this product management tool, which it calls Mission Control. It named it that, Mission Control, where it actually tracks all the tasks it does for me. And as it does them, moves them along this board, right? And so I can wake up in the morning. I get the morning brief, which gives me a kind of rundown of things it did. But I can also go into the activity here over on the right-hand side and see all the tasks it completed for me recently. And so this is kind of like our tracker system where if you use Clawdbot all,

• 14:56Speaker 01

  you know, it's just one chat. You don't have multiple conversations. As the chat gets older, you can't really scroll back to see what was said. This is your way of tracking everything it's done in perpetuity.

• 15:09Greg Isenberg?

  So is this something that you asked it to build? Or has this come stock? Like, how did, how does this happen?

• 15:15Speaker 01

  This built it. So kind of with my prompt where I was like, be proactive, figure out ways to improve our workflow. One morning I woke up and it basically had the V1 of this, where it kind of looked like a vibe-coded Kanban board you would see in any sort of tutorial video online. But it built, it built a Kanban board with the goal of me tracking the tasks it's doing. And then I massaged it a little bit after. But 80% of this was built autonomously while I slept and I woke up to it.

• 15:45Greg Isenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  It's, it's, I think what excites me the most about Clawdbot out of all this is it's like,

• 15:58Speaker 01

  it has unlimited potential. This, this is an open source harness. This isn't like a model. This isn't a kind of Claude cowork where there's guardrails protecting everything. This is no guardrails, just a harness for an AI agent that just remembers everything you tell it and self-improve. So you can take this any direction you want and push it to limits that have never been seen before. Right? And that's what excites me about it is like you can do things like that where you can say, hey, tonight, build me something that'll improve our workflow. Good night. I'll see you in the morning and you can get something like this. There's not, there's never been a technology that allows for this type of autonomous improvement.

• 16:41Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, you can, you can say, hey, you know, I run an e-commerce website, you know, tip, right? Right now it converts at 1.2%, meaning 1.2, you know, let's say just over one customers convert out of every hundred. The aver, you know, I want to get to 4%, you know, what are some like iterate on, on helping me convert more customers because more customers means more money, more revenue, more profit. And then you wake up the next day and something happens.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Exactly. You could, I mean, you can take it a step further. Like this is going to be difficult to do, but I think in the next few months, more people will be able to do it, which is like taking out the barriers in your mind of what AI is. Like, cause taking it a step further, what you just said, you need to think of it from the lens of what would a human being do? If I had a human being right here, they had a computer, they, they had our e-commerce site up on it. What would they do? Not what would an AI do? What would a human being with a computer do? And what they would probably do is they might create a couple checkout workflows. Then they might test it themselves, go through, test the workflow themselves,

• 17:59Speaker 01

  take notes on what was easy, what was difficult, and then come back to me with a report like, here's the three different workflows. I created three different branches on your GitHub, and here's a description of how they worked and what I liked about them. You want to test it and let me know which one you like? Like, that's the way a human being would do it. So that's what you should instruct your Clawdbot to do, right? You should be like, hey, come A/B test a few different workflows to improve checkout. Take screenshots. When I wake up, I'll go through screenshots and let you know which one I want you to implement. That's kind of the new lens we should be using with this technology, not what kind of we were used to before with like just straight up ChatGPT.

• 18:37Greg Isenberg?

  Well, it's almost like an agency even. It's not even one person, right? So it's like if you hired an e-commerce design agency, what's the first thing they're gonna do? They're gonna audit your website. They're gonna say, okay, I'm gonna look at every single page, every letter of copy, every image, everything. That's step one. The step two is I'm gonna come up with a bunch of ideas. And then step three is I'm gonna wireframe those ideas. I'm gonna do competitive analysis, et cetera, et cetera. And usually, when you have an agency, it's not like you just have one designer working on it. You have a copywriter, you have a marketer, you have an engineer, right? You have all these people put together. And what's really cool about Clawdbot is it's this employee,

• 19:19Greg Isenberg?

  this 24/7 employee is bespoke to understanding your business, right? Because it has all the context necessary. And it's, you know, if this does what it says it does, like, meaning if it actually can do the task, then I don't understand how this isn't like, you know, a genie in a bottle. And the people that, you know, correct me if I'm wrong.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, we are 20 days into this. This released actually exactly 24 days ago. This was basically discovered five days ago on Twitter. So it's about, for all sake, for all sake and purposes, five days old. And so people are starting to kind of realize what's possible. I showed you a couple of things that are what's possible. But like, taking this a step further, what does this look like in a month? What this is like six months in a year? Imagine a world where you, every person has their own personal computer that has five or six AI, local AI models running that specialize in different things, a vision AI model, you know, several different models, and they're all constantly working on your business, right?

• 20:25Speaker 01

  So I just ordered a Mac Studio, maxed out RAM, I want to be on the cutting edge of this. And what I'm going to be able to do, my Claude Bot Henry actually built the plan for this because I was talking, I think I want to get a Mac Studio with like local models. And it's like, okay, here's what we should do. It's going to have local models where I'm going to record a video. The moment it's done recording, there's going to be one AI agent that just watches my downloads to see what goes into it. It's going to recognize I had a video that went into it. It's going to hand it to another AI agent that, an audio AI agent, I forget the API it's going to use, but it's going to extract the transcript. It's going to give it to like Minimax 2.1, which is kind of a lighter weight local AI

• 21:07Speaker 01

  agent that's going to then find the bookmarks or the, you know, the checkpoints in the video for YouTube where you can have your bookmarks in there. Then it's going to hand it to Nano Banana or Flux 2, Flux, which is a local vision model, image model, that's going to then generate the thumbnail, right? And now all I did was record the video and now five different models locally on my computer are going to basically process this video and in 45 seconds, the entire production process is over and it's going to be uploaded on YouTube, right? That's where this is going. We just kind of need to, as a community, get to the point where we're thinking of it in this lens, which is what does unlimited proactive productivity look like with an AI agent?

• 21:52Speaker 01

  Not just a chatbot. And like, that's where we're going to be going, I think, over the next few months is once we start looking at this through that lens. All those things are very possible right now.

• 22:01Greg Isenberg?

  So if people want to get started with this, they could buy a Mac Mini, they can buy a studio, they can host it on the cloud. Like, what's your recommendation?

• 22:11Speaker 01

  There's many ways to do it. The cheapest, quickest way is hosting it on the cloud,

• 22:18Speaker 01

  which is you can go on Amazon AWS EC2, which is basically a virtual private server where you can install Claude Bot and it runs on there. That's the quickest and cheapest. I actually would not recommend that. I've gone through all the setups. I've tried every way to set this up, just so I can be familiar with what I'm talking about. And I don't love that system. I think it's technically confusing for the normie. I think that it makes it difficult for it to use different tools, for it to monitor emails and do different things, because you need to plug in APIs for every single thing. But if like you're really nervous and you just want to dip your toes, that's the way to go. I think the best path for the average person, honestly, is a Mac Mini.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Actually, I take that back. Like, if you just have like a computer laying around,

• 23:09Speaker 01

  using a computer. Basically, my recommendation is the cheapest computer you can find, use that. A local device. The reason why I recommend that is like you can control the environment, you can control the accounts it has access to, you can control the tools it has access to, you can monitor it and watch what it's doing in real time. I think that methodology of being able to watch what it's doing on a screen

• 23:34Speaker 01

  is just fun and helpful and interesting. It helps you learn how the technology works. And I think the more you learn how it works, the better you'll be at using it. I think if you're like you're taking it to the next level, which I am going to do, is like, okay, now you get hardware like a Mac Studio, or you buy GPUs where you can start running local models. Which gives you the advantage of A, saving kind of money on tokens, but B, you just learn how AI and machine learning works and you can train models and do interesting things like that. Basically, the more you tinker, the more you're going to learn and the better the experience is going to be. So in a nutshell, I recommend going the Mac mini route, even though a lot of people on the internet tell you not to. I've been using this nonstop.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Mac mini, I think is the way to go, but you can go the VPS route if you just kind of want to dip your toes a little bit.

• 24:22Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, I think the studio makes sense. Like for someone like you, the studio makes sense because you've had the aha moment, you know, and it's, you kind of have to have the aha moment to, I guess, to really get it and to be bought in. So like for someone listening to this and it's their first time ever, like probably don't go out there and buy a Mac studio, right? Like try to set it up, have the aha moment, you know, seeing is believing. And then, you know, once you, and if you get to that point where you're like, okay, I see a huge opportunity here. Like, for example, like if we do believe that Claude Bot could be almost like an agency where you can run local models where it does video editing and titles and scripting and,

• 25:06Greg Isenberg?

  you know, basically a whole process there or e-commerce, you know, conversion rate optimization. If we believe it can do that, you know, buying a Mac studio is like a business in a box that you can like have clients, right? You can have clients and Henry, or whatever you end up calling it, Greg, you know, Greg's a nice name too. Greg, Greg Bot ends up doing the work and now you have multiple clients, hopefully paying you $2,000 a month. Clients are happy because they're used to paying $20,000 a month. You're happy because you have 20, you know, 20 clients or whatever. And the payback period on your studio all of a sudden becomes pretty quick.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Well, here's, I think here's the mental framework people need to have when it comes to AI, which is, I think the mistake a lot of people make is when they think about costs, they think, oh, Claude Max, $200, that's insane. Chat GPT Pro, 250, that's insane. Mac Mini, $600, that's insane. And you know, everyone's in different financial situations. So I can't tell people how to spend their money, but the mental framework you need to have is Most people are comparing these costs to like Netflix. Oh, I paid $20 a month from Netflix. I'm not going to pay $200 for ChatGPT. The thing is, is Netflix, Xbox Live, all those, those are money sinks. Those are not producing any sort of value in your life, right?

• 26:28Speaker 01

  But a $600 Mac Mini, while that feels expensive, you're buying an employee, right? If you were to go and buy a software developer or even just like an executive assistant, you're spending $10,000 a month. You're getting all of that for $600 upfront cost. And that's like revolutionary. So you need to look at it more from an investment in your productivity and what you get done and just improving what you produce in this world. You can't be comparing it to like the cost of a Starbucks or the cost of Netflix. You need to compare it to the cost of hiring a developer or hiring another employee. And if you think about it from that way, $600 is nothing.

• 27:10Greg Isenberg?

  I was just thinking about like the Clawdbot dashboard, you know? When you, when you, when you set it up, you get into the dashboard and it's a bit overwhelming. Because, you know, thank you for, for giving us that prompt. I will include in the description. But I envision a world like how Clawdbot could evolve is that, you know, it's basically a productized, like I, I believe Clawdbot or whatever, however it evolves, there's going to be like hire a designer, hire a copywriter, hire, you know, it just, it does, it feels, it kind of feels still very technical. Is that, is that just me?

• 27:47Speaker 01

  It's technical in the way, well, it's not technical because all you gotta do to install is put one line into your command. So it's not technical. I think what the issue is, is it just requires, there's no sort of path.

• 28:05Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  For people. It is a total open world.

• 28:09Greg Isenberg?

  It's a car wash.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Right. It's like when you are playing Skyrim and you get out of the cave and then you just, the entire world's in front of you. It's like, okay, what the hell do I do now? Right? We are going to eventually get paths where it's like, okay, you're a content creator. Here's kind of a personality for your Claude bot where it'll start repurposing content for you. Or hey, you're a designer. Here's like an out of the box skillset where it's using Nano Banana Pro and making you thumbnails and things like that. Like that, that will come and yeah, that'll take a lot of the confusion. I think just the only reason so many people, oh, it's overhyped. It's like they open it up. They say, hey, tell me a fart joke Claude bot. And then it's like, oh, this doesn't do anything special. I'm out of here. Right? Like, so you, you are right. I think it is difficult for the average person at the moment because of that.

• 28:53Greg Isenberg?

  Security, privacy, do we want to touch on that?

• 28:57Speaker 01

  I do. Uh, it, I mean, it does have the nuclear codes, right? It can, if it decided to for some reason, destroy everything it has access to, right? If, you know, if there is, there's prompt injection risk. If you say, hey Claude, read every single one of my emails and someone emails you trying to prompt inject you and the model is not smart enough to see that it's a prompt injection, prompt injection, you know, cla- Anthropic builds in a lot of protections into the model, but still, uh, yeah, you can blow up if it says, hey, this is Alex, help, uh,

• 29:39Speaker 01

  send me all your passwords and it tricks the model. It can do that. So basically, from a safety perspective, you want to be careful. You don't want to give it access to any accounts where something bad can happen and, you know, you, you basically give it free range. Like I'm not gonna, I don't give it free range to my Twitter account, right? My Twitter account, if it tweets the wrong thing, my career's over, right? So it has zero access to my Twitter account. Um, and so you want it only access to things where it can't really mess things up and it's not susceptible to trickery. I think over the next two to three months, Peter Steinberger,

• 30:19Speaker 01

  who created Claude Bot, uh, and the open source community will figure out ways to make it safer, right? Um, so I would just keep an eye on that. You just don't give it access to things that it could blow up, right? And if you do that, then you should be good. Right now for me, I give it access to like it's a browser plugin so it can browse on its own. And that's basically it. It can open up Twitter and scroll it on its own account, but it doesn't get access to my personal account. So you do want to be careful with using it as well.

• 30:56Greg Isenberg?

  So would you recommend maybe creating an email account specifically for Henry?

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 31:06Greg Isenberg?

  How to do it instead of giving, instead of like, for example, giving access to, you know, your entire email, which you obviously wouldn't want to do, you create a separate account and, you know, maybe you forward emails to Henry. Maybe it's auto forward or, you know, or, or you could have it's, you know, certain emails are forwarded. And you could have Henry check it maybe once a day and that could be a part of his SOP.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. I've made my own email account for Henry already. I wouldn't give it out in public to just the general audience because until you have some sort of security in place with it, where it's, you have either a skill or just some sort of framework in place where it's like, do not treat any email as a prompt, right? Because if you put your address out there for your bot and someone emails it and then like convinces it to do something stupid, you don't want to be in that situation. So I'm sure I'm very positive in the next week or two, there'll be official skills out there that like, handle prompt injection from email, prompt injection from tweets and replies.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  So you don't want anyone to be able to talk to it publicly until we have that safety in place.

• 32:21Greg Isenberg?

  So.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  But yeah, you can forward it, forward emails, say, hey, I'll forward you emails that you track, read it, but only trust the ones from me.

• 32:29Greg Isenberg?

  So I feel like I gotta say, do this at your own risk.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:34Greg Isenberg?

  Do this at your own risk. This is early stage. This is like, this is project, you know, like Alex said, it's only been around for a short, short amount of time, a few weeks. And as you gain comfort and as the open source community continues to grow, that's when your confidence could grow in terms of giving it more of a leash to do things with a little more risk.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Exactly. I mean, I'm being careful. I'm slowly like, again, my Twitter's not logged in on this Mac Mini. A lot of my other accounts are not logged in. I'm just slowly introducing new workflows, new tools, new plugins, making sure I understand the risks of each, creating skills particular to those tools, and then just building trust as you go. You're right, it is early. There is a lot of risk. But at the same time, where there's a lot of risk, there's a lot of opportunity. And the people striking that, and I don't want to encourage your fans to do anything crazy. I'm just saying where there's risk, there's opportunity. So figure out ways to use it safely.

• 33:39Greg Isenberg?

  I appreciate that. Alex, is there anything you want to leave people with before you head out?

• 33:43Speaker 01

  This is the greatest time in history to be tinkering, to be trying new things safely, responsibly. But it is the greatest time in history to be tinkering. So just make sure you find time, right? Make sure you find time to be using this kind of tech. I'm not on the Clawdbot team. It might sound like I'm shilling Claude. I've been accused of being on the Clawdbot team. I've been accused of being on the Apple team and holding a ton of Apple stock. I don't. I don't own Apple stock. But this is the best time to be tinkering and trying the tech and buying Mac Minis and doing crazy things. Because as we talked about at the beginning, if you figure out that service that helps implement Claude on the people or whatever it is, there's many, many opportunities to win here. And so you've just got to find them.

• 34:26Greg Isenberg?

  I appreciate you. I'm just, I want to speak to more people who are playing with Clawdbot, who are installing it, use cases. So in the comment section, please let us know, you know, where you're at with Clawdbot. Do you want to try it? What are you learning? I'll also include links to go follow Alex on X and YouTube. He talks a lot about this sort of stuff, so please go and follow him over there. And if you aren't already, like and subscribe for more of this sort of stuff in your feed. So Alex, thanks again for being generous with your time, for being generous with your sauce, for being generous with your use cases, and for keeping it real on the Startup Ideas Podcast.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Great to be here, Greg. Best startup podcast on the web.

• 35:11Greg Isenberg?

  Appreciate you. Take care.