The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview]

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Jesse Michels?

  I'm here with Filippo Biondi, who shocked the world. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  I am struggling to express in words just how significant of a discovery this is.

• 0:49Speaker 03

  Eight hollow cylindrical structures that are underneath the Middle Pyramid on the Giza Plateau.

• 0:56Speaker 04

  With columns and coils around the columns. I'm like, what?

• 1:02Speaker 05

  We have measured approximately over one kilometer of depth.

• 1:07Jesse Michels?

  Over a kilometer of depth?

• 1:11Jesse Michels?

  Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine?

• 1:15Speaker 05

  Please give me another question. Maybe the water goes through these spirals, and the spirals are made by piezoelectric material.

• 1:30Jesse Michels?

  Do you think we can turn the power grid back on?

• 1:33Speaker 05

  We do like that.

• 1:40Jesse Michels?

  I'm here with Filippo Biondi, who shocked the world with a discovery earlier this year. He really did. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century. And I don't know exactly what it points towards. I hope you can help elucidate, make clear what it does today and what your methodology was. But you detected through this synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography, this really exciting new technique. What seems to be like, it looks like an energy grid below the Kafra Pyramid on the Giza Plateau.

• 2:19Jesse Michels?

  And there's a lot of controversy. You have Zahi Hawass, who's this cultural, you know, Minister of Culture there, former Minister of Culture. And he says, you know, it's fake news and there's nothing there. And then you have a lot of people supporting you, saying that, you know, there actually probably is something underground. Obviously, that whole area is full of subterranean chambers. So it's an honor to speak with you today. I'm very excited to get to the bottom of this here in beautiful Perugia, Italy.

• 2:48Speaker 05

  Thank you very much. Yes.

• 2:52Speaker 05

  Thank you for saying that we made a very great discovery in Giza.

• 3:02Speaker 05

  Just to begin, the work was done together with Corrado Malanga, who is the head of the research group, Armando May, and me. I am the technician that developed this synthetic virtual technique, and I shared to the group, so to, and to everyone, to everyone, and so to perform the scanning at the Giza Plateau.

• 3:29Jesse Michels?

  I want to start with the most like to the point question, and then we can back up and figure out how we got there. What in your opinion? Say, say a gun was to your head, you had to just guess. What, what do you think is underneath the Kafra Pyramid?

• 3:46Speaker 05

  Okay, yes, thank you for this question. The answer is very, is a bit difficult for me to give, to give you an answer, a precise answer, because the truth, we will know the truth only if we go inside the physical there to check what there is exactly. Now, what we can say that we have measurements, measurements, physical measurements that are acoustic measurements. And this, we performed these measurements, as you announced before, using a synthetic virtual radar.

• 4:17Speaker 05

  Then we will speak about synthetic virtual radar and how we arrived to perform these measurements. We are considering tomographic analysis on, first of all, we began this analysis on the Great Pyramid of Khafra, and then we moved on the Khafra Pyramid, and then, and extending all the measurements, the measurements on all the Giza Plateau. So what we are watching, we are watching huge structures that are connected to the base of the Khafra Pyramid,

• 4:56Speaker 05

  and these structures goes are extending underneath for, let's say, tens and tens of meters. Approximately, we have measured approximately over one kilometer of depth.

• 5:15Jesse Michels?

  Over a kilometer of depth?

• 5:16Speaker 05

  Yes, over that, yeah.

• 5:18Jesse Michels?

  Wow, so over a thousand meters. And what do the structures look like?

• 5:25Speaker 05

  Yes, the structures are like, that, the tomographies are public, so we have do, we have done a scientific interpretation of those tomographies, and they are like tubes that are connected to the base of the pyramid. We are counting at the moment, four plus four tubes that are descending underneath, and they are connecting the top, so the base of the pyramid, to something that is located at the bottom. So at the bottom, we probably have huge chambers

• 6:09Speaker 05

  for approximately eighty meters wide of wide, of width, and also of height, eighty meters.

• 6:19Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  On the bottom.

• 6:20Jesse Michels?

  On the bottom?

• 6:21Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 6:22Jesse Michels?

  And, and so what is that, that's like the kind of foundation structure on which the tubes are coming out?

• 6:28Speaker 05

  Probably because we are observing that the tubes are connected to the respective top of this structure, they are connected and goes inside also. Because, then I explain why and all the physics that is behind this, all these measurements. And, uh, ob- ob- obviously, we don't know the exact, um, uh, objective of these things. What we, what we know now is this: there are these structures, tubes, huge tubes that are descending underneath,

• 7:12Speaker 05

  and we have noticed that these tubes has a sort of spiral nature.

• 7:21Speaker 05

  So they, they spirals around theirself going down. And then we have noticed that each tube has a core in the center, which is, um, that, let's say, connects the spirals, you know?

• 7:44Speaker 05

  And this core descends down.

• 7:48Speaker 05

  So, just to be clear, the physics behind all this, all this work that we have done. Uh, we have used, um, an equipment or a device, let's say a device, a payload that is called radar. Radar is an acronym that it means radio detection and ranging. So we detect things remotely, and while we detect things, we can also measure the distance. This is radar. Uh, in the pa- in the past, radar was installed onboard ships, maybe to know for safety navigation or onboard aeroplanes.

• 8:32Speaker 05

  But today, they are also onboard satellites. And, um, of course, the technology advanced and radar became a synthetic aperture radar. Why synthetic aperture radar? Because we need, um, the, we need to perform, um, pictures, electromagnetic pictures of the earth. It recasts in the so-called remote sensing of the earth, earth observation. And the more the aperture and the detailed are the image of the radar. So synthetic aperture radar, it means that we synthesize a very long aperture

• 9:16Speaker 05

  in order to have very high resolution on there. We are talking about a sub-metric resolution. Maybe a pixel can be of this dimension or of this square that is on the floor. So it is very important.

• 9:33Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, it's like a quarter of a meter, right? Yeah, it's a pretty strong resolution. And there are companies like ICI and others that do all sorts of work when it comes to synthetic aperture radar. They have, you know, Umbra, Capella Space, which I think are responsible for some of these scans, are very credible companies that do work in defense and commercial applications as well.

• 9:55Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 9:56Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 9:56Speaker 05

  They are, there are the companies that you, that you said. They, yes, they are American, Capella Space, and also ICI is an European company. We have Cosmos Kaind and Cosmos Kaind second generation, which is an Italian company affiliated to the Italian space agency. So we have a lot of equipments, a lot of radars, and we use the data produced by these satellites to perform the scanning on Jizo.

• 10:33Jesse Michels?

  And so radar backing up is just bouncing radio waves off of physical objects. Synthetic aperture radar is a way to do that with finer resolution, essentially. And so how does that work exactly?

• 10:49Speaker 05

  I have to tell you this, this, that is very important because initially, when we announced this discovery.

• 10:58Speaker 05

  There was a lot of mess in terms of scientific information. So misunderstanding, a lot of misunderstanding. Radar, synthetic ocean radar cannot penetrate the earth. So electromagnetic waves has also, has only superficial interaction. According to the Maxwell theory, according to the past physics, classical physics, the interaction of electromagnetic waves is superficial. Maybe you can have a bit of penetration, but very, very few centimeters of penetration.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  In this case, we have used, we have developed a new technique, which we are able to detect the superficial vibrations of the earth. Why?

• 11:55Speaker 05

  Because vibrations penetrates the earth. It means that photon and photon and phonons, which is the quanto in, of light, of electromagnetic waves and the quanto of vibrations, so photon and phonons, are separated by something called boundary.

• 12:19Speaker 05

  It means that light propagates only in the free space and not in the matter. Photon propagates only in the matter and not in a free space. So in order to compare, to combine these two, we have, we, we tried and we successfully combined the two informations given by the photon and by the photon. Where we have both of them? Try to guess where we have both of them? In the intersection.

• 12:50Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, hmm, at the boundary.

• 12:51Speaker 05

  And at the boundary, we have the information of the photons and the phonons. We have the interaction of them. And there, we were able to retrieve the so-called sufficient statistic in order to perform tomographic inversion and so to go deeply inside the earth.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  So this is something that we have developed two years ago. And it is new. And at the beginning, people were not, you know, it was something new. So it had to pass some time in order to realize that this was possible.

• 13:36Jesse Michels?

  Is something penetrating the Earth? So in the case of radar, like you said, it's reflecting off the Earth's surface, pretty much superficial. What else is penetrating the Earth to even gather the data on the structures?

• 13:50Speaker 05

  I tell you this, the satellites flies in the space on a velocity of approximately seven kilometers per second. It means that in one second, the satellite has flight, flow, seven kilometers.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Then, this high speed, this high velocity permits the radar to synthesize a very generous Doppler bandwidth. Doppler, it means that the electromagnetic waves that we transmit and receive are frequency modulated by the movement of the Earth. Okay? If the Earth vibrates because of the presence of seismic waves, the presence of vibration due by the cities, the presence of vibration due by any natural phenomena occurring on the Earth while we are observing it by the radar,

• 14:53Speaker 05

  it means that the Earth is moving. And if this movement performs a frequency modulation on the returned signal.

• 15:05Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  So this frequency modulation is proportional to the vibration. So we can grab the vibration of the Earth. And this vibration that is located on the boundary has all the information of the vibration present in.

• 15:23Speaker 05

  Below the earth. According to this, it was possible to perform an algorithm that realizes tomography. Tomography, it means I look inside. Tomos in Latin, it means slice. Okay. So we can scan the earth according to slice that are located below the earth. The slice, imagine to uncharge or to extract a vibrational slice from below the earth. And here you can see everything concerning

• 16:07Speaker 05

  the energy vibration on a certain depth.

• 16:11Jesse Michels?

  So phonon, which is vibration, converts to photon, which is basically a light packet, which is the unit of an electromagnetic wave. The frequency modulation then goes to the satellite and allows you to read vibrational differences in the earth, which is obviously, you know, kind of correlated with material differences under the earth. And you can figure out the structure underneath the earth. Is that correct roughly?

• 16:37Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 16:38Jesse Michels?

  Okay, that's very interesting. And I think to maybe the skeptic out there, I imagine this is used in other cases, right? Like, this isn't just used for scanning underneath the pyramids. Has this been used in commercial industry, in defense, anything else? As you know, on American Alchemy, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. This is about technology that helps the body catch up and feel good. I'm talking about the iRestore LED face mask, a red light therapy system that uses clinical-grade wavelengths to boost skin cell energy production. The same exact principle used in the top recovery clinics and bio-optimization labs in the world. I've been using it most nights, 10 minutes while I'm reading,

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• 18:15Speaker 05

  It can be used for everything. I suppose for commercial purpose, because when we are able to retribe the superficial vibration of dirt in order to perform tomography, we can use this technique for maybe for mining, maybe for crude oil extraction, maybe for other kinds of application that can be useful for humans.

• 18:43Jesse Michels?

  Is it currently used for anything? Like, I've heard that it might be used to map magma chambers and volcanoes.

• 18:50Speaker 05

  Yes, can be used for map the magma chambers of the volcanoes. That in my personal opinion is very important to do this type of facilities. Because, I'll give you an example. In Italy, we have a very dangerous volcano, which is the Vesuvius that is located in Naples. And from 1948, this volcano is not smoking anymore. So it is accumulating energy.

• 19:19Jesse Michels?

  Oh, wow.

• 19:20Speaker 05

  And we know that, I'm not saying that tomorrow will root. I'm not saying this, but it has to be monitored. I tell you, Italy is very... Here in Italy, we are focused on that volcano. It means that it is very... Under attention. There are a lot of insidu, insiducismograph. Radars are using the so-called interferometry,

• 19:57Speaker 05

  which measures the displacement of the earth are always, also I do it on my work. It is always under attention. This other method can help scientists to study volcanoes. Absolutely, yes.

• 20:18Jesse Michels?

  Wow, I mean, I think it's very important for people to hear that this method is used in business contexts when money is on the line, or in the case of mountains Vesuvius, so that another Pompeii doesn't happen. You know, lives are on the line.

• 20:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 20:33Jesse Michels?

  So this is a tried and true method Doppler tomography. Because it's really funny, man, like even in preparing for this interview, you can chat GPT, you know, your findings under the Koffler pyramid. The response you get back is synthetic aperture radar can't penetrate below, you know, a quarter of a centimeter below the earth. They don't even mention the Doppler tomography, which is used in all these other contexts. So it's just bizarre, like, like.

• 20:59Speaker 05

  I don't know why.

• 21:00Jesse Michels?

  I don't know why either, man. It's a, yeah, okay. So that's really helpful that it's used constantly. And I think it's important for people to understand your background as well. You do some work with the Italian military that's classified. You can't even speak about it, right? So it's clearly useful to them because they don't want anybody talking about it. Should I not even be asking about that? Okay, I'm just saying the fact that you do it. Are you not supposed to say? Okay, sorry. I mean, in the US, like you can say, like, I do work. I just can't talk about it. But you don't even want to say that you do the work. Okay, okay, forget it. What was your motivation in the first place to even look below the pyramids? You know, how, did you have a hypothesis?

• 21:44Jesse Michels?

  Like, I mean, most people wouldn't even think that there might be something there.

• 21:49Speaker 05

  Yes, thank you for this question. The first thing I did is to move on Vesuvius. Because I had in my consciousness to make something for humanity. So the first thing is, okay, let's see what is happening, what is happening, happening under the Vesuvius. And I wrote a paper, it was very, very nice paper and together also with the National Research Council of Italy.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  Because we, we, we have synchronized the data coming from NC2SISMO graph with the radar data and match them together. I suggest to read that paper is very nice. It is open source also, everything is open source. And here I can say it's, it's, it's in my article or not, it's in my book, it's in my article. So, and then after writing this or something, no money, only for humanity, and continuing this paradigm, only for humanity.

• 23:04Speaker 05

  According to my friend in 2019, Corrado Malanga, we decided to do something concerning if it was possible to scan inside the Khnum Kufu or Kaop's pyramid. And then we made the motivation. The motivation was because Giza is, I think, the archaeological, the best archaeological site in the world. There are a lot of things that, in my personal opinion, has to be discovered and we are doing it. So we moved there because we were motivated, very motivated, to move in Jizah. Because Jizah is very important for humanity.

• 23:49Jesse Michels?

  And you go for it.

• 23:50Speaker 05

  The past, who we are, who are we? Because, in my personal opinion, people, when they're born, we don't know who we are. We are here and we don't know anything about our past, our history, and who we are.

• 24:08Jesse Michels?

  Truly, and it really, Egypt is the center of the debate. If humans have collective amnesia and we don't remember who we are, Egypt is the center of, the epicenter of that kind of discussion. Because you have people, on the one hand, like Robert Bival and Graham Hancock and Robert Shock, who, since the 90s, have been saying very interesting things about, you know, possibly limestone damage on the Sphinx and, you know, a lot of these structures possibly being, dating back to, you know, pre-what we think of as kind of, you know, the Egyptian kingdoms. Talking about their mapping to, you know, processions and to, you know, to Orion's Belt at the time of 10,500, when they think maybe the Sphinx was built.

• 24:54Jesse Michels?

  And you have subterranean chambers in that area as well. You have Zahi Was, the Minister of Culture, famously debating them and trying to suppress a lot of this information, but admitting that there are some chambers down there. He even went down in certain cases and then it's often, you know, "Nothing to see here, don't dig further," you know. So it is this, and then if you think about Western civilization, the Greeks got a lot from the Egyptians. And Egypt, you know, pre-Egypt, you have Sumeria, you have a couple of other cultures we know less about. But Egypt was far more advanced than a lot of, you know, what was preceding it. And so it's this really interesting, seminal place to look, I think.

• 25:34Speaker 05

  I agree with you. In my personal view, they were far, far advanced with respect to others. We can see it how they used to cut the stones very precisely like that. I don't know if you went. I went for the first time in the Sherapeo of Saqqara. That's something very amazing. You see this huge, how you say, not sarcophagus. They are sarcophagus, let's call them sarcophagus, but they are not sarcophagus. Very precisely, very heavy. And so the first thing I can say, how they built them,

• 26:17Speaker 05

  how they transported them in that site, we don't know anything about.

• 26:24Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, it's taking, you know, quartz from 500 miles away. You know, it's, we don't know how that works, we don't know how you get.

• 26:36Speaker 05

  Also today, it's a problem to transport those heavy masses.

• 26:41Jesse Michels?

  Right.

• 26:41Speaker 05

  All this, all that distance from apart to another.

• 26:45Jesse Michels?

  Even today it would be hard. And we're talking about, you know, 10, 20, 30 ton stones. That it's, it's just, and they do, in some cases, look like they were laved or something. They were like, even modern, you know, techniques of civil engineering wouldn't be able to recreate, you know, some of these things. So it's just, it's just really amazing. Like, do you have, for example, like the pyramids? Do you have a good theory on how they were built?

• 27:13Speaker 05

  Very, very interesting question. Personally, my own theory, I don't have my own theory on to seeing how they were built, this, those huge structures. And just to tell you, two weeks ago, I went for the first time in Egypt. So I appreciate in person those, the pyramids. I went inside the pyramids and I was very amazing for the first time.

• 27:47Speaker 05

  How they built those huge structures, I don't know. Really, I don't know. And, you know.

• 27:58Speaker 05

  Before the study that we did, so I'm saying this for me.

• 28:07Speaker 05

  People, maybe people used to, to, to ask in their self, how they could realize those huge structures, the technology that they used to, to, to use for, for these, these pyramids. And if we consider also the structure that, that is underneath, what can I, what can we say about this?

• 28:37Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, what do you think? What can we say?

• 28:41Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 28:42Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 05

  Really, I don't know.

• 28:44Jesse Michels?

  Because Armando Mai, who you collaborated with, has some interesting ideas as to maybe the function of these, these pyramids.

• 28:54Speaker 05

  Yes, Armando, we speak about this every day with Armando, with Corrado, and we, we speak also with Christopher Dunn, that has a lot of theories, you know, about energy plants or other kinds of purposes about the pyramids. In my personal opinion, now is time to stay all together and work on a common purpose. We have to go and see in person what there is underneath.

• 29:32Jesse Michels?

  I think Christopher Dunn's ideas are fascinating, that it's some sort of solid-state electron generator and it can, sort of, it has wave guides for microwave transmission and, you know, maybe it was, you know, hydrogen generator or something. It's, it's really interesting. And I don't know what to make of it, but it seems very rigorous and smart in terms of like the way he thinks about it.

• 29:56Jesse Michels?

  Do you, do you think that there's something possibly there? Because you have his work preceding the scans that you found.

• 30:03Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 30:03Jesse Michels?

  Where he's hypothesizing all of this stuff and then you essentially find what looks like an energy grid. It looks like coils wrapping around these sort of charged, possibly charged rods or something. That's what it looks like.

• 30:16Speaker 05

  Yes, I thanks a lot Christopher Dunn because he endorsed our research. So I am very thanked to him because I knew him in person. He's really wonderful, a wonderful person. And so I thank him. Yes, I I agree with him because I think he was the the first person that gave this theory about the energy power plant or something related to information, let's say information.

• 30:54Speaker 04

  You have a very fascinating hypothesis as to what the pyramid or theory, as to what the pyramid actually was.

• 31:02Speaker 06

  Well, my first book pretty much describes what I thought it was in nineteen ninety eight, which was a power plant. The book is entitled The Giza Power Plant. I describe it as an electron harvester.

• 31:14Speaker 05

  And I agree with him. What can I say personally? Personally, I can say that this structure, the tubes that are going below the earth, the pyramid, are something related to information. Information.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  From the stars?

• 31:39Speaker 05

  I can't say anything about this.

• 31:41Speaker 04

  Why do you think information?

• 31:43Speaker 05

  Information because also generating energy is a kind of information. Information is everything, I tell you. And in all this technical compound, there is, in my personal opinion, an actor that is always present. You know what it is?

• 32:10Speaker 04

  What?

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Water. Water. Water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures.

• 32:20Speaker 04

  What role, why do you say that? What role does water play in the pyramid?

• 32:24Speaker 05

  Water, when flows, maybe let's say on the on the pipes like that, it generates a certain information in terms of vibration that is very precise. Because water is the an important stuff of life.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  That is present on the earth very a lot, you know, the earth is full of water. We are water. And so the pyramids and the water are connected together.

• 32:58Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, and when you say generates information.

• 33:01Speaker 05

  I tell you.

• 33:02Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 33:03Speaker 05

  You know that we are made of water.

• 33:05Jesse Michels?

  Eighty percent or something.

• 33:08Speaker 05

  I think more.

• 33:08Jesse Michels?

  Maybe more.

• 33:10Speaker 05

  It depends on how you are watching your percentage.

• 33:14Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 33:15Speaker 05

  I tell you. In terms of mass of the molecules, I agree with you eighty percent. But in terms of moles, it means number of molecules.

• 33:32Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 33:33Speaker 05

  We are ninety eight or ninety nine percent.

• 33:37Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 33:38Speaker 05

  It means that that one percent of number of molecules are have the weight of the twenty percent that you said before.

• 33:49Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 33:50Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 33:51Speaker 05

  In terms of number of atom of molecules that is composed our body, we are ninety nine percent of water.

• 33:58Jesse Michels?

  H two O.

• 33:59Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 34:00Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  Yes, so that's that's very important.

• 34:03Jesse Michels?

  That's extremely interesting. Yeah, wow.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  If you are seeing it in terms of mass, okay, that one percent of molecules has the mass of the twenty percent of all the entire water composing my my my body. So eighty percent, twenty percent in mass, ninety nine percent and one percent in terms of.

• 34:25Jesse Michels?

  Number of molecules. And that's because of this power law where there's, yeah, how how does that work exactly? So you have the the the the mass has less mol number of molecules than the water. The water has more molecules.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  The one percent of number of molecules, it means that they have a great weight.

• 34:47Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:47Speaker 05

  Okay, so the proteins, the, I don't know, other things that are composing our body.

• 34:52Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  That is one percent in terms of moles.

• 34:55Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  Number of molecules.

• 34:58Jesse Michels?

  That's interesting, because there are all these studies, there's a guy named Gerald Pollak, who talks about.

• 35:02Speaker 05

  I suggest to to read the studies of Giuliano Preparato.

• 35:08Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 35:09Speaker 05

  And Emilio del Giudice. It were two former professors at University of Milan.

• 35:14Jesse Michels?

  What do they, what do they talk about?

• 35:16Speaker 05

  Yes, they were the scientists that worked together to Fleischmann and Pons.

• 35:24Jesse Michels?

  Ah, yeah. So Fleischmann and Pons, for the audience who might not be aware, were proponents of cold fusion. So like low energy nuclear reactions. And they claimed all these over unity results. And then I think maybe they were sabotaged and, you know, maybe some scientific suppression occurred, who knows? But so, oh, so, so, so they had a connection with Fleischmann and Pons?

• 35:48Speaker 05

  Absolutely, yes.

• 35:49Jesse Michels?

  They've studied on them.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  Because they, unfortunately, they disappear both because they were wonderful. Emilio del Giudice and Giuliano Preparato.

• 36:01Jesse Michels?

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• 37:31Jesse Michels?

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• 37:45Speaker 05

  Absolutely, yes.

• 37:45Jesse Michels?

  So that's heavy water. And so I wonder if there's some connection between what you're saying. Because when I asked you, you know, how should we look into water? You mentioned these two Italian scientists. And then you mentioned the cold fusion thing.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  Absolutely. It is very important. Cold fusion, cold fusion is, I'm not interested in cold fusion, but I'm very passionate. I have a passion in cold fusion.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  When two hydrogen atoms are connecting together, and they transform in a helium atom, releasing energy. Because a helium atom has a weight less than two hydrogen atoms. So by different mass, they generate energy in terms of electromagnetic waves.

• 38:50Speaker 05

  This kind of, let's say, union can be done, or forcing the atoms together, or persuading them to be naturally connected. That's called fusion, is the second. You have to find a method to persuade, to convince the two atom to go together naturally, without forcing them. That's called fusion. Hot fusion is the first one. But I tell you that hot fusion,

• 39:30Speaker 05

  the various tokamak that they are designing or other kind of hot fusion given by pumping energy,

• 39:46Speaker 05

  designing very powerful laser.

• 39:50Jesse Michels?

  Magnetic confinement, yeah.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  I can tell you personally, that is the energy of the future.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  It means that we'll never find the present.

• 40:04Jesse Michels?

  What do you mean?

• 40:06Speaker 05

  They don't work. They doesn't work.

• 40:08Jesse Michels?

  Ah, hot fusion. No, I agree. I don't know, it'll always be of the future. I fully agree because it's always, it's extremely hard to make it work. And basically for the audience, controlled fusion is the holy grail. We only have fusion in the form of hydrogen bombs right now, which is obviously very dystopian thing. And with tokamak receptors, it feels like, kind of like a fool's errand or like almost self-defeating because of the amount of energy input to make the thing in the first place. And it is very high energy. And so there's the, all these lore rumors of cold fusion. I'd say Pons and Fleishman are probably the most credible of the rumors.

• 40:50Speaker 05

  I, I think so, yes.

• 40:52Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. Because, and that would be this groundbreaking thing. Because if you had an over unity reaction with low energy input, it's like... Paradigm shifting for humanity, it's free energy, yeah.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  And what do they find, the Flashman and Pons, and also Giuliano Perparata, and then you, the Jewish after, it was, how can we persuade the two hydrogen atoms to go together? Because there are the atomic forces that the most you can find those atoms, and they will never go together.

• 41:28Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, you have Coulomb's force, which is repulsion, electron repulsion. So how do you?

• 41:35Speaker 05

  Persuade them, okay.

• 41:36Jesse Michels?

  How do you do that?

• 41:37Speaker 05

  Like, where are two people that they do not talk each other, no? No, I don't want to talk to you.

• 41:45Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 05

  So maybe a third person comes here

• 41:50Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 41:51Speaker 05

  and persuade you and me to talk together.

• 41:54Jesse Michels?

  Ah.

• 41:55Speaker 05

  And that third person was the atom of palladium. Palladium is a special, let's say, material that it's able to persuade two atoms of hydrogen to go together and become magically an atom of helium, and the fusion reaction is done by palladium, okay? And also electricity. So deuterium, palladium, electricity, and electricity, and this recipe allows the cold fusion.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  There was problems about the quantity, the amount of energy, no? That it was very little. But if the research from the 80s to now were performed, maybe today we can have better results with respect to the 80s, when the first experiment of Flashman and Pons was announced.

• 43:03Jesse Michels?

  Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine?

• 43:06Speaker 05

  Please give me another question. I don't know.

• 43:10Jesse Michels?

  Well, is there, uh, my, my, the more, the more specific question would be, when you were talking about water transferring information.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 43:19Jesse Michels?

  Wh- where, where does that leave us as far as what it could be? Like, is there?

• 43:24Speaker 05

  My personal opinion could be, but I say it.

• 43:27Jesse Michels?

  Was there any evidence that palladium was involved in? We don't know.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  As I tell you, you have to go down and see and explore what is in it. Really, that. Jiza, what's a jiza?

• 43:41Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 05

  Can't be tombs, they are not.

• 43:45Jesse Michels?

  Well, I think that it's funny, like, it used to be conventional dogma that they were all tombs. Now you have, you had Graham Hancock for the last thirty years being like, it's not a tomb. Now people are like, okay, maybe it's not a tomb. And so it's slowly, slowly following, you know. Do you think that mapping to Orion's Belt around ten thousand five hundred B.C. There's something somehow important with that. Cause if you, if you, basically. Yeah, they do map to Orion's Belt. Orion's Belt plays a very important role in a lot of different traditions. Even like Ptolemy, you know, said that the soul's path was through Orion's Belt. I asked Graham Hancock on my show, I said, what do you think the pyramids were for if they weren't tombs?

• 44:30Jesse Michels?

  And he gave me a very trippy answer. He said something about, you know, ascending through them. Like, once maybe a pharaoh has died, they're buried there and then it's, it's like an ascension portal or something. When it comes to the pyramids themselves lining up with Orion's Belt, Orion's Belt has, has always, across many cultures, been the place of ascension of souls.

• 44:52Speaker 07

  Absolutely, it is, it is here in, in North America. And, and in Central America and in South America. The, the path of souls. That idea that on death we, our soul makes a kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way. And that that journey is full of challenges and difficulties on which we will be assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life. That idea is found all over the world.

• 45:22Jesse Michels?

  Do you, have you considered any of these things or?

• 45:26Speaker 05

  My personal opinion, no.

• 45:27Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  There is something, the Jiza has to be something that is related to give a better life of the people at the time living there. So maybe an energy powered plant, something related to chemical, something related to, I don't know, mining, something related, but or a combination of everything. So there is something that is related to make better living people there.

• 46:03Jesse Michels?

  And, and, and speaking of water, aren't there rumors of a water table also?

• 46:08Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 46:09Jesse Michels?

  Below the Kafre Pyramid?

• 46:10Speaker 05

  Yes, below the Kafre Pyramid, there is water. Absolutely, yes. Because we found water in the, in the Osiris shaft at minus thirty-three, thirty-seven meters, approximately, I don't remember precisely, there is water. Eh, but I have to, in my personal opinion, I have to say this, water cannot be everywhere. Maybe we find water in the Osiris shaft, we move a bit on the left or on the right or on the north or on the south and there is not water. So it's not, um, eh, mathematical, a mathematical that we find water everywhere in Jiza. That's the first thing.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  Then I will explain you what the Kafre Research Project is moving on because it's related to the water.

• 47:01Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 47:02Speaker 05

  Because as I told you, water is the principal actor of Jiza.

• 47:06Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. Well, be- before we get to that, I want to give you one, one more, like, the skeptics say you can't go that deep. With Doppler tomography, we can definitely go a thousand meters deep, a kilometer deep, it's possible or?

• 47:21Speaker 05

  Absolutely, yes.

• 47:22Jesse Michels?

  And we have in other cases?

• 47:23Speaker 05

  Because vibrations are traveling inside the limestone and two kilometer, I don't remember, two point five kilometers per second, something like that.

• 47:32Jesse Michels?

  Okay, well.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  Sorry if I make a mistake because I don't remember precisely, but the water is there.

• 47:38Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the, the, the image that went viral all over the internet of the coils and the, that's like, you said four by four, you know, sixteen pillars, energy grid, um, the other critique.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  Four. Plus four, not times.

• 47:53Jesse Michels?

  Ah, so eight.

• 47:54Speaker 05

  Plus four.

• 47:55Jesse Michels?

  Oh, so eight pillars. No, all good. So eight pillars, you know, in this shape of an energy grid. You have, um, Sabina Hossenfelder is this physicist. She makes this video.

• 48:06Speaker 05

  She is very nice.

• 48:07Jesse Michels?

  She was nice and she was, I think, pretty open-minded in her video. But at the end, she said, I think that the AI reconstruction of the image is taking liberties. Um, because basically for the audience, you have tomography scans. So that's the raw data. And then you have what went viral all over the internet, which is these image reconstructions. That's the, the pillars with the perfect coils that everybody's seen. So it's beyond my expertise. Like, do you think that that's a faithful rendition of what you actually measured? The, the pillars with the coils?

• 48:45Speaker 05

  The shape is that.

• 48:46Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  The shape of the doppet tomography was recasting a spiral form. So

• 48:55Speaker 05

  we can't say that are, I don't know, copper coils or they are. What we can't understand, we can't understand is this. We can't understand that maybe can be, I don't know, stairs that are going down. Or, I don't know, it's, uh, they are cables that are going down. What we understand is they have, it is something that has a spiral nature.

• 49:24Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

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• 50:22Jesse Michels?

  But, that's on. Are you like 100% sure it's man-made? Not, it's, we couldn't naturally...

• 50:30Speaker 05

  100%, yes, it's man-made.

• 50:32Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 50:33Speaker 05

  This, that, this, I can't...

• 50:36Jesse Michels?

  Because you don't find things in nature that coil perfect, in perfect, you know...

• 50:41Speaker 05

  It's man-made.

• 50:42Jesse Michels?

  Okay, okay. So that's easy to say definitively. You never see anything in any of your other subsurface scans that look anything like that?

• 50:51Speaker 05

  No, no, no, absolutely not.

• 50:52Jesse Michels?

  Okay, and then it's a question of what's the material? And, you know, but you feel like you have some decent resolution. You think that it is these circular pillars?

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 51:03Jesse Michels?

  Something wrapping around it, for sure.

• 51:05Speaker 05

  Maybe it is hard to say which kind of material it is. Or for now, maybe if we have

• 51:14Speaker 05

  hundreds of tomographies with a ground truth, we can also understand the acoustic fingerprint. And maybe we can move into material recognition. And that's what we are working now. Because we like to move this technique for mining. Today, mining is very important. Also, United States or other countries, we need rare earth materials. We need gold today. Gold is very important, you know? We see the gold price going up every, every day.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  Why? Because in this moment, the technology is exploding. We need rare earth materials for our devices. Because there is AI, because there is, I don't know, Nvidia that has to build a lot of, sorry, by saying Nvidia or other companies,

• 52:22Speaker 05

  the graphic cards that are very powerful. So we need rare earth materials. So now we are moving further. Maybe in some years, we will be able to know which kind of material we are dealing. But now not, I'm not ready. So what we can say is, OK, that in that part of the tomogram, we have high vibrational energy and there we have lower vibrational energy. Depicting the pixels, we can represent that the underneath has a spiral measure. But we can't understand the type of material.

• 53:00Jesse Michels?

  And the AI reconstruction for the image, are you using generic software or your own?

• 53:06Speaker 05

  No, my own software, not AI.

• 53:08Jesse Michels?

  OK, oh, it's your own software?

• 53:09Speaker 05

  Yes, yes.

• 53:10Jesse Michels?

  And that, your own software, you use that in other contexts when you use?

• 53:15Speaker 05

  Absolutely, yes.

• 53:16Jesse Michels?

  SAR Doppler tomography?

• 53:17Speaker 05

  In the scientific community, it's called the pseudo-inversion of measurements.

• 53:25Jesse Michels?

  OK.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  In order to retrieve tomographic analysis. It's called the pseudo-inversion.

• 53:30Jesse Michels?

  But you do this a lot over the course of a year.

• 53:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:35Jesse Michels?

  And you feel confident because you've, in the other cases, based on the software read, in certain cases, you probably can go down and verify what you're seeing. And in those cases, they usually check? They usually check out, they confirm what you see in the software?

• 53:52Speaker 05

  You are speaking about validation?

• 53:54Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 53:55Speaker 05

  OK.

• 53:55Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, have you been validated in other cases?

• 53:57Speaker 05

  We do, we did a lot of validation experiments.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Because as a scientist, I have to validate. You know, how can I present my results like that?

• 54:13Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 54:13Speaker 05

  It's not possible. So you know that validating things that are underneath is very difficult.

• 54:20Jesse Michels?

  Hmm. Yeah, to go down is difficult.

• 54:23Speaker 05

  It's difficult.

• 54:24Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 05

  But it's not impossible.

• 54:26Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. Have you done it ever?

• 54:28Speaker 05

  So this strategy that we have, that we have made is this.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  We know that there, there is a structure where we know everything about it. And in a certain depth. Okay, let's move, let's move there. And we try to perform tomographic inversion there. So to see if our results are matching with the reality.

• 54:57Jesse Michels?

  Have you done those experiments?

• 54:58Speaker 05

  Ah, yes.

• 54:59Jesse Michels?

  Okay. Have you done a lot of them?

• 55:01Speaker 05

  Ecco, that's another point, another point of view.

• 55:08Speaker 05

  Three or four experiments.

• 55:10Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  I tell you, it's very difficult to do validation. So we did measurements of the Gran Sasso d'Italia Physical Laboratory.

• 55:19Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 55:20Speaker 05

  Located inside the mountain. It's 200 kilometers far from here. And we depicted the laboratory.

• 55:31Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 55:32Speaker 05

  That's our measurements and the reality.

• 55:35Jesse Michels?

  How accurate?

• 55:37Speaker 05

  No, 100% they match.

• 55:39Jesse Michels?

  100%? Can, can, did you do it double-blind? So you didn't.

• 55:43Speaker 05

  Can you explain me double-blind, please?

• 55:45Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, so the way I would do the experiment in order to prove that SAR Doppler tomography is really effective is I would, if I were you, find somebody else who's a good practitioner of SAR Doppler tomography and who can, who can get the scans somehow. I guess if it's, you're using a satellite, you're using a satellite. So I don't know, you know, but like. Somebody who isn't aware, like you, that you're doing a test. And you say, okay, get the tomography scans.

• 56:12Speaker 05

  And do it you.

• 56:13Jesse Michels?

  And then you create an image based on the tomography scans with your software.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 56:18Jesse Michels?

  And then see if that matches, because you already probably know what the laboratory looks like.

• 56:23Speaker 05

  I didn't do that.

• 56:26Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 56:26Speaker 05

  Yes, it is important, yes. We have to do it, yes.

• 56:30Jesse Michels?

  But.

• 56:30Speaker 05

  We didn't do it.

• 56:31Jesse Michels?

  But it's still, you've done your own scans and it lined up with what you saw. And then, okay, so that's pretty, yeah. Because, I mean, to me, artificial intelligence is just pattern matching. So the more data you have, the more you're like, okay, I've mapped this. And then I've also validated and seen it personally and myself physically measured it and it lines up. If you have, you know, a lot of instances of that, I think we can kind of say that there's definitely something here. So.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  I just want to tell you this.

• 57:02Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 05

  The rule of artificial intelligence in our technique.

• 57:06Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 57:07Speaker 05

  Okay. There is no rule, because we didn't use artificial intelligence.

• 57:12Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, hmm, hmm.

• 57:13Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 57:13Jesse Michels?

  It's funny, people keep saying, yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 05

  Let's forget artificial intelligence. I tell you how it works.

• 57:21Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 57:23Speaker 05

  It works like that. We have measurements. Okay.

• 57:28Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 05

  We have a model, and I tell you what's a model. And we, we can, if we have the measurements and we have the model, we can pseudo-invert the model. And so to retrieve the, the, the, the result.

• 57:45Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 57:46Speaker 05

  The result R is tomography.

• 57:48Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 57:52Speaker 05

  And it works like that, works.

• 57:54Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 05

  Measurements, model, results, not artificial intelligence.

• 57:58Jesse Michels?

  Did the, did the data just come from one satellite or from multiple satellites?

• 58:03Speaker 05

  Multiple satellites.

• 58:04Jesse Michels?

  For the COFR.

• 58:05Speaker 05

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 58:06Jesse Michels?

  And both.

• 58:07Speaker 05

  Four satellites. Uh, no, or AISAI, Capella Space, Umbra Space. Cosmos climate, four satellites.

• 58:15Jesse Michels?

  All four?

• 58:15Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 58:16Jesse Michels?

  Wow. And all four gave you the same raw tomography data?

• 58:20Speaker 05

  I've got the results there, yeah.

• 58:22Jesse Michels?

  That's amazing. That's really amazing.

• 58:25Speaker 05

  It is the basic, the basic things. We cannot announce anything without these basics.

• 58:33Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:34Speaker 05

  They are scientific methods.

• 58:36Jesse Michels?

  And you've done four or so instances of validation in other cases to show that structures that you are measuring actually look like what you think they do.

• 58:47Speaker 05

  Yes, I don't know. We have measured also the Osiris shaft, which is well-known as a structure. The structure is well-known.

• 58:58Jesse Michels?

  And the readings that you got in the synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography matched?

• 59:03Speaker 05

  Hundred percent.

• 59:04Jesse Michels?

  Wow, okay, so that's pretty good.

• 59:07Speaker 05

  We don't have a double blind because I don't know what's the double blind.

• 59:09Jesse Michels?

  How deep down does that go?

• 59:13Speaker 05

  Thirty-seven meters, the last one, and then, but the Osiris shaft goes down.

• 59:20Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  It goes down for...

• 59:22Jesse Michels?

  For a while.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  I don't remember.

• 59:25Jesse Michels?

  Okay, it's okay.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Maybe, I don't remember, I'm sorry.

• 59:28Jesse Michels?

  No, no, no, it's okay. So that's fascinating. I mean, that gives me a lot of confidence that there's something there. So, Filippo, what are the next steps of the CAFRA project?

• 59:38Speaker 05

  The next steps? We are moving to completing all the scanning. We are completing, we are nearly finished. We have nearly finished all the scannings.

• 59:56Speaker 05

  And now, we are working on

• 1:00:02Speaker 05

  dealing with the Egyptian authorities.

• 1:00:06Speaker 05

  In order to...

• 1:00:09Speaker 05

  To request some authorization to go in situ and do some measurements.

• 1:00:18Jesse Michels?

  Do you think that you'll get permission from the Egyptian authorities?

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  Okay, you know, in Italy, we have this kind of saying like that, that is mixed with Latin. Chiedere umanum est, ottenere autem diabolicum. If I ask you something, if something is human, I can ask you something. But to obtain what I have asked you is another kettle of fish.

• 1:00:54Speaker 05

  So we are working on compiling a project proposal.

• 1:01:05Speaker 05

  Maybe the Caffre Research Project can be at the center. So me, Armando and Corrado. And we can work together with the university. Let's say, University of Ferrara.

• 1:01:22Speaker 05

  No? And maybe other companies that physically can work on GIZA.

• 1:01:34Jesse Michels?

  So you want to get funding and work with an academic institution? And then be able to, and do you think, because historically, and you saw it with Zahi Hawass going on Joe Rogan, you know, very recently.

• 1:01:49Speaker 09

  I discovered, I discovered, I discovered, I discovered now.

• 1:01:57Jesse Michels?

  You just have these people in charge who are... Closed minded, they're corrupt. Their incentives are to basically force fit any new finding into the country's own history. And if something involves any civilization predating that country, they're gonna have an allergic reaction to it. So how do you get around that? I'm dealing with that a little bit because I've done some stories in Peru. And they have their own Ministry of Culture and they have gatekeepers as well. And it's extremely frustrating. And our mutual friend Jay has experienced that as well. So what, uh, yeah, I guess, how do you get around that? How do you get around the politics?

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  Good question.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  I went two, um, two weeks ago, as I told you before, I went in Egypt. I, I found a nice country, nice, very nice people.

• 1:02:59Speaker 05

  I don't know if all of them are overmind, but maybe yes.

• 1:03:08Speaker 05

  I found that they are very friendly and they love the pyramids. They love the pyramids. We,

• 1:03:19Speaker 05

  in my personal opinion, uh, we are not against them, but we are together. We are all together.

• 1:03:28Jesse Michels?

  It would be the best thing in the world for Egypt, for tourism, for national pride, if they found out that the pyramids had some elaborate substructure and some exotic functionality that we don't know of today.

• 1:03:43Speaker 05

  Today we don't know, but maybe in a couple of years, yes.

• 1:03:47Jesse Michels?

  It would be a groundbreaking discovery, a revelation. And it would be the best possible thing for Egyptian GDP in the world. It would be amazing. Like, I can't think of a better scenario for them.

• 1:04:01Speaker 05

  And I tell you, maybe these times, uh, we are ready to do it.

• 1:04:07Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Speaker 05

  Who knows?

• 1:04:08Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, who knows? I like that attitude. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, the water thing is so interesting. What do you think as far as... You say water has information. And what is that? I mean, obviously, there's a water table below the Kofra Pyramid. But why is that significant otherwise as far as the pyramid structure itself?

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• 1:05:31Speaker 05

  Yes, thank you for this question is important. Water table, water table. While if the Egyptian Authority will give us the authorization to go there in situ and make some measurements, maybe make some cleanings on the existing facilities, we are not asking to go inside the pyramid. And I tell you.

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  I tell you. Maybe we are asking to go on the Giza Plateau.

• 1:06:07Speaker 05

  Because on the Giza Plateau, there are,

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  I don't know, you remember when you went there, some existing shafts that are located between the Kafre Pyramid and the Sphinx. There are some shafts that have the entrance on the surface of the plateau.

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  But when you go there, you can see that they are blocked by debris. So there is soil inside. And according to our scans, we are confident, very confident, that those shafts are connected to the underground facilities that are located below Giza. So it is not necessary to go inside the pyramids, because the pyramids are something a bit more complicated. It's something more complicated to have authorization. Maybe it can be simpler, it can be better to have authorization staying on the plateau,

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  not going inside the pyramids. And there we can do a lot of things. The first thing that we can do is to perform in situ

• 1:07:39Speaker 05

  measurements, so in situ measurements campaign using seismic reflectivity methods. Okay? Not Doppler tomography, other methods. So maybe to see if they match with my methods.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  And in that context, we will be able to map very precisely the water level under the plateau.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  That's the first thing that in my personal opinion we can do. Then we can measure perfect and so match the NCT measurements with my measurements and see how the depth of the existing shafts that are located on the Jiza Plateau.

• 1:08:34Speaker 05

  The third step can be to clean those shafts. We can clean that because now they are blocked by debris. There is also, there are also other things like rubbish inside those shafts. So that's, they have to be cleaned, cleaned. And while we are cleaning the shafts, we can go down, down and down and see what there is at the end of them. In our personal opinion, that's a service entrance, a secondary entrance

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  that connects the debt facility to the main facility that is located.

• 1:09:23Jesse Michels?

  Do you think we can, do you think we can turn the power grid back on?

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  We do like that.

• 1:09:30Jesse Michels?

  Beam shoots out of the top of the pyramid or something. It's so interesting. And I mean,

• 1:09:39Jesse Michels?

  how, does Dunn think that this is like a fusion generator? Does that, does he think that, that we could produce over unity energy from it?

• 1:09:48Speaker 05

  Chris is, has very clear idea and I agree with him that the plan, the Jiza Plateau is related to electricity.

• 1:10:02Speaker 05

  Or something that is very near to electricity.

• 1:10:09Speaker 05

  Such kind of electron generator energy, electrons.

• 1:10:18Speaker 05

  And maybe it can be hypothesized this, as I told you, water is very important. Maybe the water goes through these spirals and the spirals are made by piezoelectric material. And while the water is flowing through the spirals, are exciting this piezoelectric material that generates electricity. Something like that, I mean, but it's only nowadays. You have to go there and check.

• 1:10:58Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, interesting. And is Dunn, is he interested in Pons Fleishman and the...

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

  We didn't talk about Pons Fleishman, about fission reactors, about this, about that kind of stuff. But maybe the next time I see him, I see him, I will ask him about this.

• 1:11:20Jesse Michels?

  Do these two Italian scientists you mentioned, who were kind of adherents to Pons and Fleishman, do you think, do they hypothesize that the pyramids themselves have anything to do with nuclear fusion or?

• 1:11:33Speaker 05

  Unfortunately, I don't know.

• 1:11:35Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:11:35Speaker 05

  Because now the water, they disappeared, so.

• 1:11:39Jesse Michels?

  They disappeared?

• 1:11:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:11:40Jesse Michels?

  What, what happened to them?

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  Ah, no, they, they, they are not with us anymore.

• 1:11:49Jesse Michels?

  Oh, they died?

• 1:11:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:50Jesse Michels?

  Okay, but you said disappear, I mean, not in a mysterious way?

• 1:11:53Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:11:54Jesse Michels?

  Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:11:56Speaker 05

  No, Emilio del Giudice, I think in 2014, 2015.

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  Giuliano Preparata earlier.

• 1:12:05Jesse Michels?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:12:06Speaker 05

  In the beginning of the 2000s, something like that. They were very clever, yes.

• 1:12:13Jesse Michels?

  Armando Mai, who you have worked with and we just discussed for a little bit.

• 1:12:17Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:12:17Jesse Michels?

  He has very like esoteric ideas, it seems like he talks about the number 237 and he talks about...

• 1:12:24Speaker 05

  137, no?

• 1:12:25Jesse Michels?

  Oh, was it 137? Sorry.

• 1:12:27Speaker 10

  What profound mystery lies hidden behind this number? For what reason did Richard Feynman, the great quantum physicist of the last century, so stubbornly insist on suggesting to his fellow physicists that they should affix a small plaque bearing this number upon the walls of their laboratories and then meditate upon it every single day of their lives? Why did Leon Lederman, the 1988 Nobel laureate in physics, make a point of telling people he had lived in a house numbered 137? 137 in quantum physics is the ratio between the speed of light and that of the electron orbiting the nucleus of the hydrogen atom. You surely haven't failed to notice the correspondence

• 1:13:12Speaker 10

  with the number found in the proportions of the second pyramid of Giza. Is it a coincidence?

• 1:13:18Jesse Michels?

  What do you make of his ideas and maybe for the audience, can you summarize them?

• 1:13:23Speaker 05

  Yes, Armando is a very, very nice person and scientist also.

• 1:13:32Speaker 05

  He's convinced that the number 137 is related to, especially to Kafr pyramid, on the Kafr pyramid. Exactly, I don't know exactly his theories and I have his books, I have to read it and I have to study his books. But I think that I encourage him to go with his ideas because they are very interesting. Armando is a nice guy and... He will do a lot of things with us.

• 1:14:11Jesse Michels?

  What do you think of, you know, Ben van Kirkwick? He just went on Joe Rogan's show and he talked about this large labyrinth underneath.

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  The Labyrinth, yes.

• 1:14:21Jesse Michels?

  Like Hawara region and he talks about Herodotus and Pliny, Pliny the Elder and like past historical accounts of this large chamber.

• 1:14:31Speaker 11

  The stories of this Hall of Records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years. Like, I mean, just, just not just the Arabs, but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient even than the pyramids.

• 1:14:48Jesse Michels?

  Do you think there's anything interesting there?

• 1:14:51Speaker 05

  In some portion of the Giza Plateau, we found a mess in terms of tomographic reflections. So there are really something like a network of underground tunnels. That because when you watch the tomography, you, you see everything projected on a plane. So it is hard to have the third dimension inside the depth. And yes, there are a lot of connections. The shafts that goes down are all interconnected.

• 1:15:34Speaker 05

  And it's difficult to, for us to make a precise reconstruction of what there is,

• 1:15:42Speaker 05

  what is connecting the main shafts that are very visible one to each other.

• 1:15:48Jesse Michels?

  Cause he, he's claiming, I think the labyrinth is like a half a kilometer or maybe more, maybe a kilo. Like it's extremely big or something.

• 1:15:57Speaker 05

  What there is underneath there is very huge. In fact, in this context, in.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  It was, I think, Armando, that me and Armando, or, uh, for, Armando, I think, said for the first time, "That's the tip of the iceberg. The pyramids are the tip of the iceberg. It's just a hat to complete something that is located underneath."

• 1:16:25Jesse Michels?

  Ah, it's like a little cherry on top of, yeah, yeah, the substance is below.

• 1:16:30Speaker 05

  My personal view, the measurements are showing that.

• 1:16:35Jesse Michels?

  So interesting. What else? So you mentioned finding these networks, you know, of tunnels. And then obviously you have the coils under Caffre. Are there any other findings?

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  In this case, I'm sorry, I have to quote, cite also Trevor Grassi.

• 1:16:52Jesse Michels?

  Okay.

• 1:16:53Speaker 05

  Trevor. Because Trevor gave me for the first time the indication on the shafts. On the shaft, Filippo, he told me, because he's expert, me not. Filippo, please explore the depth of the existing shafts that I told you. The shafts are located between Caffre and the Sphinx. Because from there you can find the entrance to the, to the underground under, under, under Caffre. Uh, yes, because he is also making independent research a bit far away, but

• 1:17:35Speaker 05

  100 meters far away from these shafts. And he found a so-called corridor of rooms that from the surface goes underneath. And then it connects, um, the, the top to the bottom. And the bottom is constituted by a network of, um, tunnels that are located underneath.

• 1:18:02Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 1:18:03Speaker 05

  Also he is studying this and he is 100% convinced because he wants to go inside personally

• 1:18:11Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  In the underground, in the, um, interchipping this network of tunnels.

• 1:18:22Jesse Michels?

  It's amazing. Is there anything that you've found besides the network of tunnels? Like anything else you have this sort of?

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  Ah, yes, yes. And I, and I told you, I told these, these things on, on the conferences in Spoleto also, and also in Malta, um, we had a conference there. The structures that are, um, that we found in Cafre, we found the same thing also in Mencore and also under the Sphinx.

• 1:18:56Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  Ah, yes, absolutely.

• 1:18:59Jesse Michels?

  You found the same thing?

• 1:19:00Speaker 05

  The same, not four plus four, but in Mencore, two plus two, a smaller version of these things. And in, uh, under the Sphinx, only one cube going down. So they are all connected.

• 1:19:17Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:18Speaker 05

  So the Giza Plateau is not constituted by the pyramids. That's Mencore, that's Cafre, then that's Caops. No, it is something that has to be considered entirely.

• 1:19:36Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, it's a system, it's a network or something, yeah. So fascinating. What do you, like, how has academia received, you know, these findings?

• 1:19:50Speaker 05

  I have to be.

• 1:19:52Jesse Michels?

  Diplomatic.

• 1:19:53Speaker 05

  To give, to give an answer to this, giving an answer to this. Academia is wonderful. Academia is very interesting because there are a lot of things that I learned,

• 1:20:05Speaker 05

  thanks to academia.

• 1:20:10Speaker 05

  It has to be something, we have to be very diplomatic with Academia. Because Academia works, you have a hypothesis, you make the measurements, and you explain why you had these measurements, and then you do comparison with the reality, and you explain the errors. So this is a scientific paper, no? You start from an issue, you perform the measurements, "Reality and the Errors". Reality, it means a state of the art. You have an innovation, the state of the art and the errors. This is Academia. So...

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• 1:21:20Speaker 05

  That I agree. Because I am, I am hundred percent thankful of Academia. Because it is an institution and it is necessary to study through the Academia. Because Academia give us a lot of tools, mathematical tools, the scientific tools and physics that are behind things that we do. Also, my techniques comes from Academia. Because I studied this interior, actually, rather, from Academia. And that's very important. When there is something new, we have to be careful to announce things. So it is new and has to pass time to,

• 1:22:09Speaker 05

  how you say, to, to realize that the things that we are claiming can be valid or not by the Academia. Which I agree. So, in this moment, we are working on a scientific paper. The scientific paper is, let's say, under review.

• 1:22:34Jesse Michels?

  Is it peer review?

• 1:22:35Speaker 05

  Peer review, yes, only peer review.

• 1:22:37Jesse Michels?

  Cool. Do you have a timeline on when it might get accepted?

• 1:22:41Speaker 05

  I don't want to say something because it is a bit, it is under review.

• 1:22:48Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:49Speaker 05

  And let's see what happens.

• 1:22:52Jesse Michels?

  That's exciting.

• 1:22:53Speaker 05

  Let's see what.

• 1:22:54Jesse Michels?

  Well, I hope, I hope, I hope it gets peer review. I mean, that would be very exciting.

• 1:22:59Speaker 05

  I don't know what happens. Maybe, maybe we'll be rejected. I don't know. But if we be rejected, we have to, we have to know why.

• 1:23:11Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:11Speaker 05

  If will be accepted or hundred percent will be some revision to do.

• 1:23:18Jesse Michels?

  I don't, if, if you're just saying, these are the findings, I don't know how it can be rejected. If you're saying, we used Doppler tomography in all these other cases that involve life or death or normal commercial business cases. So it's useful in the free market context where people have skin in the game on it being useful. And then you're saying, we've done cases of validating that it works by going inside of a few things that we've measured. And then, and then you're saying four different synthetic aperture radar companies measured this thing and you got this raw data. And then you have software that you use in other contexts to create images that invert the, the raw data into an image. Why would that get rejected?

• 1:24:01Jesse Michels?

  That seems super to me. I'm not, I'm not a genius, but that seems very simple and basic and obvious.

• 1:24:07Speaker 05

  I agree with you, but academia is very orthodox. So they have.

• 1:24:15Jesse Michels?

  I think they're orthodox because of what everyone's saying about the implications of it. Because circulating the internet is everybody saying it's an energy grid and it's at the end. It's fun to speculate about and it could be true. But just the findings themselves are the findings. So it's like, I don't see how you can reject that.

• 1:24:34Speaker 05

  We are proposing measurements. Let's see what happens. I don't know.

• 1:24:38Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, I just interviewed this Swedish astronomer named Beatrice Vioreal. She's amazing and she is similar because she's traditionally credentialed like yourself. You know, she's well respected. She's at Stockholm University and she's a physicist and astrophysicist. And she went into the Palomar Observatory, which is basically the most prominent observatory in use in San Diego in California. From 1949 to 1957, so pre-Sputnik, pre-satellites being in space.

• 1:25:10Speaker 05

  Pre-Sputnik, yes.

• 1:25:12Jesse Michels?

  She found all these transients that look like these like mirrors or like light reflecting objects. They're not stars, they're not sun streaks, they're nothing else, and they're pre-satellites. And she found.

• 1:25:26Speaker 05

  And where are they located?

• 1:25:28Jesse Michels?

  These transients came from solar reflections at 42,164 kilometers from the Earth or somewhere there around.

• 1:25:35Speaker 05

  Very interesting.

• 1:25:36Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, no, it is.

• 1:25:37Speaker 05

  Pre-Sputnik.

• 1:25:38Jesse Michels?

  Pre-Sputnik, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so she's trying to find another observatory to see if she can line it up because people said that the spots she found are plate defects. But then she basically like did a study of the these transients, these these light reflecting objects. And she looked in the Earth's shadow. So the Earth's shadow, you know, you have the sun pointing at the Earth. And she wanted to see if there was a drop off in the Earth's shadow. And there was a drop off. Showing that they do reflect light, so they're probably physical objects.

• 1:26:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:26:11Jesse Michels?

  Because they reflect light.

• 1:26:12Speaker 05

  I would like to read about.

• 1:26:14Jesse Michels?

  I will send it to you. But it's another example of, and this was just accepted by peer review. And I think, you know, my sense is that the people around her did everything they could to poke holes in it. Everything. And there's, it's weird. There's no one left poking holes. Sabina Hossenfelder did a video and she's like, I don't know what to say. This is interesting. Brian Keating, who's, you know, a very, you know, well-established physicist. Who normally plays the skeptical side, to be honest. He came out and he was like, I find this very interesting. Maybe we should look for corroboration. So it's an amazing time where people like Beatrice and yourself can find these, you know, bold, amazing things.

• 1:26:59Jesse Michels?

  And actually try to get, get peer review. And I really hope you do get, get peer review. To me, again, I'm. You know, just thinking about it simply, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I don't understand why it would get rejected.

• 1:27:11Speaker 05

  In my personal opinion, we we will need a lot of time for review. Because I tell you, in two thousand twenty two, I don't remember, twenty one, twenty two, we initially published a work peer review that is online now. But the the initial work that we made on the Caop's Pyramid didn't have this such of media explosion on on on all the world. Now, with the second paper, I know that the editor of the journal

• 1:27:55Speaker 05

  where we submitted the article will be very, I don't know. Let's see what happens. I don't know.

• 1:28:04Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, well, I'm excited. And I think if I were you, I would try to keep the claims as humble as possible and just give an honest readout of what you measured.

• 1:28:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:28:15Jesse Michels?

  Because I think it's hard to reject if you do that. I think if you insert some of the stuff, we're having fun speculating, but don't insert any of that stuff in the peer.

• 1:28:23Speaker 05

  Only measurement.

• 1:28:24Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 1:28:25Speaker 05

  The results.

• 1:28:25Jesse Michels?

  Because.

• 1:28:26Speaker 05

  Model and results.

• 1:28:27Jesse Michels?

  In my opinion, academia is myopic and narrow and not very bold. And so if you do that, then they'll reject it. But just keep it super narrow. That's your way. That's the way. And well, I'm so excited, man. I'm so excited. Do you think that we'll be able to make progress in our lifetime on really understanding what the pyramids are for? Do you think? Do you think that what we discover through your work and maybe the follow up work in the Coffey Project will wholesale overturn our understanding of the pyramids and maybe reality itself?

• 1:29:01Speaker 05

  Maybe yes.

• 1:29:05Speaker 05

  We need time for continuing the studies. That's important to say. Time is important to stand the ideas that we have, to consolidate ideas that we have. I tell you that the technique that we are using now is every day improving in terms also of,

• 1:29:31Speaker 05

  also in terms of

• 1:29:33Jesse Michels?

  Precision?

• 1:29:34Speaker 05

  Precision and the performance.

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  So the answer is yes. My personal opinion, yes. We can, maybe the final proof is to go there and watch. Yeah. See what there is. We go, we have to go inside.

• 1:29:53Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, hmm. Well, I hope you're given access to do that. Because I think it's really important for, for the world to just understand both our past from placing humanity in a specific context, but also technologically, who knows what it could unlock?

• 1:30:10Speaker 05

  Who knows?

• 1:30:11Jesse Michels?

  You know?

• 1:30:12Speaker 05

  Maybe 2026 will be a year where if we begin to perform in-sidu exploration, we will know really more with respect, in terms of information about the pyramids with respect to now. If we will be able until the end of this year to submit to the Egyptian authorities a project proposal, having a very focused, very focused ideas on it. So without going around, so focused on

• 1:30:57Speaker 05

  specific topics.

• 1:31:00Speaker 05

  In my personal opinion, we will have an authorization. Why not? Why not?

• 1:31:06Jesse Michels?

  Why not? Well, that's exciting.

• 1:31:09Speaker 05

  If we have an authorization, if we will have an authorization, maybe we can find exciting, exciting things. Who knows?

• 1:31:19Jesse Michels?

  My prediction is you will find exciting things if you're given authorization.

• 1:31:22Speaker 05

  I agree with you.

• 1:31:23Jesse Michels?

  So I think, you know, it's to me, the more bigger question is, will you be given authorization? I think if you find, if you get authorization, I think you're gonna find something very interesting underneath there. Because if you can't explain the way you described it, the, just the hat, or the little, you know, the tip of the spear, the tip of the iceberg.

• 1:31:43Speaker 05

  The tip of the iceberg.

• 1:31:44Jesse Michels?

  And that is a, literally a world wonder. Like, we don't understand it at all. We don't understand how it's built. There are debates about how it's built.

• 1:31:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:53Jesse Michels?

  If we don't understand that, then, and you're telling me that that's the tip of the iceberg, and that there's this whole network underneath it? Oh my God. I mean, the, the contribution to humanity, and I, I hope Egypt is able to see just how special that is. Well, you, you have to promise to let me and Jay come and film it.

• 1:32:14Speaker 05

  You will be, you and Jay will be the first to film.

• 1:32:19Jesse Michels?

  Oh, let's go. Maybe we can get Joe Rogan out, too.

• 1:32:24Jesse Michels?

  Well, it's, it's an honor to speak with you.

• 1:32:27Speaker 05

  I said hello also to Jay.

• 1:32:28Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, what's up, Jay? Project Unity, go check that out, subscribe. Yeah, no, I, I'm, I'm, I'm just so excited. And it does feel like these sort of discoveries are speeding up. I don't know why. I think people are kind of waking up, you know, collectively to some of these ideas, becoming more open-minded. And, um, yeah, thank you for being bold, because I know you come from more of a, you know, a traditional engineering background.

• 1:32:54Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:32:54Jesse Michels?

  And to be able to speculate about these things isn't so easy. Actually, before we go, we were, before we were rolling.

• 1:33:00Speaker 05

  Yes, and I have to tell you also.

• 1:33:01Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, tell me, yeah.

• 1:33:02Speaker 05

  What we did.

• 1:33:03Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:04Speaker 05

  It is absolutely inside the scientific compounds. Because we did measurements.

• 1:33:12Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 1:33:13Speaker 05

  That are scientifically approved.

• 1:33:16Speaker 05

  So we didn't do nothing exotic.

• 1:33:19Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:20Speaker 05

  Maybe we need to do a double-blind check. Has to pass time.

• 1:33:26Jesse Michels?

  No, but to me, it's like using an electron microscope or mass spectrometry or something and just saying, you know, we found these isotope ratios. And then people are like, well, what do you mean? You found those isotope ratios? Well, it's like, we use this machine in a million other contexts. They work, and then here it works, and we found the thing. You're telling me that Doppler tomography is used in all these other contexts effectively for commercial? And, you know, I'm sure it's used for defense. That's me speculating. So it's like, if that's the case, what's?

• 1:33:56Speaker 05

  Why not?

• 1:33:57Jesse Michels?

  Why not? Yeah. Yeah, why would this be any different? Like, it's just an instrument that we know works in all these other cases. So it's miraculous. One other thing is, before we were rolling, we talked a little bit about this idea of extended electrodynamics and scalar physics. And some people have hypothesized that some of these ancient structures involve kind of acoustic resonance, but also maybe tap into a more exotic kind of version of electromagnetism than the typical transverse Hertzian waves. Do you think that's possible? Have you explored that at all?

• 1:34:36Speaker 05

  I never explored this. But it doesn't mean that maybe I will never do it. If you ask me what is a scalar wave, I don't know. I don't know. I can't give you an answer because I never studied this kind of topic.

• 1:35:00Speaker 05

  So, but I am not saying that it doesn't, that it does not exist.

• 1:35:05Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:06Speaker 05

  In my personal opinion, all people, academics, not academics, everyone, we are, we have to be open-minded. We.

• 1:35:19Speaker 05

  I tell you this, we go in the past, in the fifteenth, nineteen fifteen maybe, nineteen ten, when an Italian scientist called Guglielmo Marconi,

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  who invented the radio. We are now today with these nice things on the internet, thanks to Guglielmo Marconi. And this is what I'm saying. It is exactly the example that we are living today. But today we are, we are saying this.

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• 1:36:31Speaker 05

  Guglielmo Marconi wanted to perform a huge experiment. So can I connect

• 1:36:44Speaker 05

  the Terra Nova Island with Cornovaglia? So a huge distance.

• 1:36:49Jesse Michels?

  Across the Atlantic.

• 1:36:51Speaker 05

  Yes, where, across the Atlantic, you know? And can I transmit some information from one part to the other one, without cables, only using electromagnetic waves? He was sure about this, the success, that he will succeed this experiment, because he felt it inside the heart.

• 1:37:19Speaker 05

  All the academia, I am saying nothing about the academia, is not something against the academia, no. No. Only to explain you the fact. That is now history. All the academia was saying. No, Marconi is doing something wrong, because it will never. Uh, go, it will never be, uh, okay, this experiment will never work. Why? Because the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna were not in line of sight.

• 1:38:00Speaker 05

  And so. Maxwell said that the electromagnetic waves are only transmitting in line of sight. It means that I have to watch physically the transmitting and the receiving. And so, why he is doing that? Well, because he wants to waste money. Because it will never work.

• 1:38:24Speaker 05

  I can, I can tell you that who was saying this, because it's history. It was maybe Poincaré.

• 1:38:36Speaker 05

  Professor Riggi.

• 1:38:40Speaker 05

  Academia. And so the journalist from the academia, uh, used to go to, to Marconi, ma, uh, and ask Marconi, "Marconi, ma, the academia said that your experiment will never work. Don't worry, don't worry, follow me, don't worry." Ah, ben. Uh, when the day, when the day arrived for doing the experiment.

• 1:39:06Speaker 05

  They, they used to have the, how you say, the Morse signal, the Morse signal from the transmitting source. Uh, was transferred immediately to the rece, to the receiving source. It, it go, it worked. Why? Because there was the so-called. Third. Via. The third, uh, solution. Hmm. So.

• 1:39:39Speaker 05

  From one side, the theory of Maxwell said that this experiment couldn't work. Because the earth is a sphere, no? And so...

• 1:39:53Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, it's like a laser pointer, it would be off the...

• 1:39:55Speaker 05

  It's a pointer.

• 1:39:56Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:57Speaker 05

  On the other side,

• 1:40:02Speaker 05

  Marconi, that he didn't study, he didn't study, he wasn't a scientist, nothing. He thought, in his mind wrongly, that electromagnetic waves followed a curved path.

• 1:40:20Jesse Michels?

  Right.

• 1:40:21Speaker 05

  That's not possible, because it's wrong. So, the academia that studied was saying that the experiment will never succeed. And they were, because they studied.

• 1:40:35Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:36Speaker 05

  And he, that he... It was a mess, a scientific mess.

• 1:40:41Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:42Speaker 05

  Because nobody, or the academia, and Marconi knew about the third via.

• 1:40:49Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:50Speaker 05

  And what was the third via? The presence of the ionosphere. The ionosphere.

• 1:41:00Jesse Michels?

  Conductive ionosphere.

• 1:41:02Speaker 05

  So, the wavelength that was transmitting, Marconi casually, he was interacting with the ionosphere, and so the electromagnetic wave, according to the Maxwell theory, made like that, and flying that directly to the receiving. And so it worked.

• 1:41:22Jesse Michels?

  Hmm, that's amazing.

• 1:41:25Speaker 05

  And this

• 1:41:28Speaker 05

  gave the Nobel Prize to Guillermo Marconi.

• 1:41:32Jesse Michels?

  That's an incredible story because he was right, but he didn't even know why he was right until after he figured it out. It's amazing. And Marconi flunked out of school. He flunked and none of his professors took him seriously. And yeah, even.

• 1:41:46Speaker 05

  This is the world, so everyone has to be open minded.

• 1:41:49Jesse Michels?

  Oh, of course. Well, electromagnetism in general came. Michael Faraday was early 19th century. He was a poor bookbinder in South London who knew nothing. And he just kind of like had revelations about some of this stuff.

• 1:42:03Speaker 05

  Because of his heart inside.

• 1:42:05Jesse Michels?

  Absolutely.

• 1:42:05Speaker 05

  He was feeling that.

• 1:42:06Jesse Michels?

  It was a part of him, clearly. And Tesla had all of these.

• 1:42:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:10Jesse Michels?

  Speaking of scalar physics, he had all these ideas of where electromagnetism in its current form, even with his update of alternating current over, over direct current vis a vis Edison. Even beyond that, he was talking about wireless instantaneous transmission and his experiments at Warden Cliff that were sponsored by JP Morgan. I think if he were to, if he were alive today, he would say, you know, his experiments barely scratched the surface of what he thought the potential for electromagnetism actually was. So the point is, just like Einstein is housed within, you can find Newton.

• 1:42:50Speaker 05

  Also Einstein.

• 1:42:51Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:52Speaker 05

  At the, at the, at the time when he developed the special relativity.

• 1:42:58Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:59Speaker 05

  He was saying that time is relative, time is changing. No, it is. And it was an erratic thinking.

• 1:43:07Jesse Michels?

  Yes.

• 1:43:10Speaker 05

  But was successful, he was successful. So in this context, everyone has to, of us has to think erratically.

• 1:43:21Jesse Michels?

  Absolutely.

• 1:43:21Speaker 05

  It means resia, it means in Italian, in Latin, it means to be free.

• 1:43:30Speaker 05

  Free of mind, okay.

• 1:43:31Jesse Michels?

  Absolutely, cuz.

• 1:43:33Speaker 05

  Libero, libero como el aire, the air, heretic, the air, it's free.

• 1:43:37Jesse Michels?

  Well, the whole, the whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking moving science forwards. And scientific paradigm shifts occur when there's a buildup of anomalies and then it kind of damn breaks. So, and, and, and each theory, let's say, I love the Marconi example because Newton was right, but he didn't know why he was right. Einstein was more right than Newton in his theory. There's gonna be somebody who's more right than Einstein about his theories. And the idea that this is the end of history and the end of physics is the biggest fallacy of like, you know, that we know everything and it, and it occurs at every generation.

• 1:44:19Jesse Michels?

  Every generation, we say, we know everything and then somebody figures something out and they're always the heretic.

• 1:44:24Speaker 05

  We know anything.

• 1:44:25Jesse Michels?

  That's right.

• 1:44:26Speaker 05

  Not everything.

• 1:44:27Jesse Michels?

  And if you can't find somebody who is not part of the conventional body of knowledge who you agree with, you're almost guaranteed to be on the wrong side of history because that's the person who's gonna bring forward. The trick is finding the right person who's, you know, and that's hard, but, you know, I couldn't agree with you more.

• 1:44:45Speaker 05

  Very amazing.

• 1:44:46Jesse Michels?

  It's funny, you know, you know, two days ago, I interviewed Marconi's grandson.

• 1:44:49Speaker 05

  Ah, very nice.

• 1:44:50Jesse Michels?

  And it's just really trippy, but um, he said that his grandfather was part of a secret cabinet from Mussolini to study extraterrestrials and it was called RS33.

• 1:45:04Speaker 12

  In 1933, the Italian government set up this group, a secret research 33 cabinet, where Marconi was the chair, was the president and Enrico Ferriemi was the vice president. And they made some searches and studies on this phenomenon because 1933, they say that in Varese and all of Italy, there were some apparitions of so-called UFOs.

• 1:45:29Jesse Michels?

  In Magenta, Italy, or do you know where specifically?

• 1:45:32Speaker 12

  Varese, it's north east Italy, north east, yes. Varese, it's north of Milan, in Lombardy, between Lombardy and Beninian land.

• 1:45:44Jesse Michels?

  And it was fascinating. He told me that personally, like, and he's a prince. I was, I was like, this is amazing. So it's funny you brought him up, but um, yeah, it's so.

• 1:45:55Speaker 05

  I, I will see that interview.

• 1:45:56Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, you'll see it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I'm just, you know, amazed by it. But yeah, I agree. I think that, yeah, go for it.

• 1:46:06Speaker 05

  I I'm not saying that these experiments that we did on Giza are esoteric experiments, heretic, no, they are orthodox.

• 1:46:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:19Speaker 05

  But it is a different way to watch electromagnetics. Why? Why not? So it is inside the academic compound.

• 1:46:29Jesse Michels?

  Well, the

• 1:46:29Speaker 05

  A hundred percent.

• 1:46:30Jesse Michels?

  The the point I think you're making is like, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you're an archaeologist and you see a structure, you just say, oh, it's a pyramid. There are pyramids in other parts of the world. That's just this structure. And then you come up with some lame, you know, a justification for why it was built. You come up with some reasons that are kind of inadequate as to how they were built. But you're force fitting your own priors onto the the observation. And you have people like Christopher Dunn, who's done all this work on just engineering anomalies with the thing itself. And then you're contributing with this, you know, very clear scan of what's underneath the pyramid.

• 1:47:15Jesse Michels?

  And all of these things don't look like normal, modern architecture. So the idea that it's just some ancient, you know, tomb is so obviously coming from our own false preconceptions based on modernity. It's not based on a, you know, unbiased reading of what's happening.

• 1:47:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:47:36Speaker 05

  I agree with you.

• 1:47:38Jesse Michels?

  So I would bet on, you know, I'd bet on, I hope your team really figures this out and it's it's exciting. It's a really exciting time in history.

• 1:47:45Speaker 05

  I think that two thousand twenty six, we have to lose out.

• 1:47:50Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:51Speaker 05

  Maybe, in my personal opinion, humanity is ready to go there and to go and see what there is down there, because there is something.

• 1:48:02Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you know, Luis Walter Alvarez, who was really important for the American atomic program, he's depicted in the movie Oppenheimer, and he was very high up in the Manhattan Project. You know, he X-rayed the pyramids in the 50s.

• 1:48:17Speaker 05

  Ah, X-rayed, ah.

• 1:48:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's been a subject of longstanding interest, like even from like an official American government perspective for a long time and...

• 1:48:26Speaker 05

  And how did, how he X-rayed?

• 1:48:28Jesse Michels?

  I don't know exactly, yeah, but it's, it's online, you can look, yeah.

• 1:48:32Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:48:33Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:33Speaker 05

  It had to use a huge amount of energy in order to penetrate all the mass of the pyramid?

• 1:48:40Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, I guess so. And I think, did, there was maybe like a muon detector?

• 1:48:45Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes. In fact, we have to speak also about the SCAM Pyramid Project, because there is not only the, the Caffrey Project, but there is also, or much more time with respect to us, the SCAM Pyramid Project. The SCAM Pyramid Project is using muons, which are sub particles that are emitted from the universe. They, they, they go to the pyramid and they intercept some, how you say, detectors. So the muons impress the detectors and they

• 1:49:28Speaker 05

  carry the information about the voids existing between the top of the pyramids, while they, they go through the pyramids, like that. Yes, the SCAM Pyramid Project is a well-known research group. They're using another physics. We are using acoustics, they are using sub particles and maybe...

• 1:49:52Speaker 05

  Let's see if we can reach them. So be in contact with them. Maybe we can all work together or share our results. No, because now we are in in competition. But if we are in competition, we are, we have to work together.

• 1:50:11Jesse Michels?

  No, the the way you have to think about it is it's you guys against the world. It's not you against, you know, it's like. It's amazing for everybody if we can figure out anything here. So and we're up against kind of establishment forces. So you know, the um, the the muon detectors, that that's specifically for um, mapping the chambers inside of the pyramid. Is that right?

• 1:50:33Speaker 05

  Yes, I tell you, yes.

• 1:50:38Speaker 05

  And I tell you why we should collaborate together. There is a difference between the the methods that we use and they use. Because we scan from the space.

• 1:50:56Speaker 05

  The from the so from the space, we we can scan underneath. They use the space particle to scan what there is between the pyramid and where they locate physically the detectors. It means that for us is not a request to go physically to locate the the detectors. Our detector is the surface of the earth. In my personal opinion, we work better with respect to them. Because we can detect things where never a human went underneath.

• 1:51:40Speaker 05

  Their technique is different because they have to go physically somewhere, and so they will retrieve a tomography between the surface and where they locate the detectors. Okay?

• 1:51:56Speaker 05

  I am hypothesizing this and I will share this information, yeah. If we perform a joint project, so a project together, maybe, and if we will be able one day to go inside the shaft and maybe intercepting an horizontal tunnel,

• 1:52:25Speaker 05

  constituting the network of tunnels that there is underneath, the scan pyramid project can locate their detectors inside the tunnel in order to retrieve what there is up to there. I don't know if I am explaining better.

• 1:52:42Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, you'll use them in conjunction. You'll put the muon detector there.

• 1:52:46Speaker 05

  There, and so they can scan.

• 1:52:48Jesse Michels?

  It makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.

• 1:52:50Speaker 05

  We have to work together.

• 1:52:51Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:52Speaker 05

  We don't have to be separated, but work together.

• 1:52:55Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, very cool. I love that idea. Well, on that note, Filippo, Beyond D, this is an absolute honor and a pleasure, and I really wish you good luck because I think what you're doing is very important. And honestly, I didn't, you know, I was very compelled by what was circulating online, but there are a couple of things that even I was, didn't know or was holding out judgment on. And after this interview, you kind of convinced me on a lot of it. So I'm very, I'm very, very excited and thank you for doing this. Appreciate it.

• 1:53:27Speaker 05

  Thank you.

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