Kim Kardashian’s Personal Trainer: Take Control of Your Health Before It’s Too Late | Senada Greca

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• 0:00Codie Sanchez?

  Hi and welcome back to the Big Deal Podcast. I'm Codie Sanchez and this is for those of you who don't want to just be rich but free and are willing to do what it takes to get there. All right, this week, we have Senada Greca. This woman is a powerhouse and I don't just mean physically. She's definitely one of the buffest women I know, also beautiful, but she is the trainer for Kim Kardashian and Karlie Kloss, plus a bunch of other fancy names you would know. She also has multiple companies she runs simultaneously, millions of followers online, and we talk about things that I think you guys are going to care a lot about, which is if you are a woman, how do you become healthier, fitter, look better in the gym in a way that's simpler and easier? But we're also going to talk about some crazy origin stories.

• 0:40Codie Sanchez?

  Like, she grew up in communism, real communism, and what that meant to go through that difficulty and become the woman that she is today. I thought she was pretty incredible to follow on the internet prior to this, and then I got to meet her and I realized that real strength is not on the outside, it's on the inside. So if you want to hear stories about a brilliantly strong woman and how to become one yourself, this episode is for you.

• 1:08Codie Sanchez?

  I think when everybody, you know, says your name, they think what I think, which is, "How do I steal her butt?" Immediately. So I think we should start talking about first, like, it's pretty incredible, like, you have all these methodologies you use, but for us women, we have a hard time activating our glutes in particular. And I didn't know that was a thing until I started going down your rabbit hole of mind-muscle connection and how important that is for glutes. And so for normies like me who've never done anything like this, how does one steal a Senada butt?

• 1:46Speaker 01

  You gotta put in the work.

• 1:47Codie Sanchez?

  Dang it, there's still three steps?

• 1:49Speaker 01

  It's not easy. There is no magic pill, unfortunately. You know, I say that the magic pill is in the work that you're trying to avoid, so do the work. And unfortunately, like, glutes are a big muscle, so they need a lot of work, but mind-muscle connection is one of the biggest things that I've always employed, which is you touch, you... Think about the muscle that's working. You are present with the muscles that are working. In this case, your glutes. Um, and you'll see me on a lot of videos. I'm like touching whatever area and mostly glutes.

• 2:22Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Um, that that I'm working out because there is a correlation, as you probably know, with mind to body and body to mind. It basically sends those signals up to the brain that we're working these muscles. So let's activate them. And then to get more, if you wanna know more like technical aspects of it, you know, there is in my book, a way to work out your glutes that is effective. So including things that are like a squat or a lunge, which are moving in one vector and then doing our deals like hip hinge, hip hinge exercises and then going into vertical vectors like step ups. Doing abduction, which is working your side booty, upper booty. And then a hip thrust, which is like that um

• 3:06Speaker 01

  contractor. So employing all of these different aspects and then hitting it, you know, like three times a week. For me, it's really important because it is the biggest muscle in your body and will burn more calories and um will help you healthwise.

• 3:23Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I like that. And so basically, mind, if we've never heard of that before, mind muscle connection. It the the first activation is you touch it. So if I'm like trying to move this body, I actually touch it with my finger. And why does that actually help? Like, why, how have we gotten so disconnected from our muscles?

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Because we're thinking about, you know, what am I gonna have for dinner? Am I, what TV show I'm gonna watch, you know, or you know, the children have, you know, this sport and that activity. We're we're busy, so we are not in our bodies. Most of us are like, you know, watching a a a series or something while we're working out or listening to.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  To music, or I don't even listen to music anymore because I'm, I want to be present with, with what I'm doing in that moment. That's like my moving meditation in a way, not to discount actual eyes closed and bringing it to, you know, internally, but that's my moving meditation. That's one of the reasons, especially nowadays, that we've become so disconnected. But there's also a chemical um process, if you will, that that happens when you do actually touch. All of a sudden, your brain is like, oh, that's, that's, that's, that's being worked. Like, it's actually a chemical process that's occurring as well, not just the woo woo.

• 4:39Codie Sanchez?

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• 5:21Codie Sanchez?

  your brain power for the creative stuff. So stop drowning in edits, get busy creating, hit the link in the description, use code Cody, and thank me later. When you talk about moving meditation, I went down a rabbit hole of your stuff. You've talked about this a lot. But I think a lot of us when we're in the gym, we're like, this is painful. I want to pretend I'm not here. I want to distract myself. And yours is kind of the opposite. So explain what that is.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  It is. So I actually, I'm maybe gluten for punishment, but when my mind goes there, like, this sucks. Like, I want to get out of here. I'm actually, no, you're going to slow it down, and you're going to add two, two reps on top of that. Just so that, you know, again, I'm kind of bringing it back to the body and not running with that, with the thoughts that are taking over my mind in the moment. Listen, if, if you're watching TV, or listening to music, or whatever you need to do in The meantime gets you to get moving and work out, do it. If that's the only way that you're gonna do it. Uh, do it. But if we're talking about then maximizing like your results and and talk talking about like the nitty gritty, then.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes, you'd wanna kind of fu- fully concentrate on what you're doing in that particular moment.

• 6:31Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. When you, you grew up in Albania, right? And you left when you were a teen? Were you, were you into fitness and kind of the same center there that you are here, or did something change?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, I've been an active kid, so I've always been like. On trees and, you know, climbing to get like the ripest fruit, which I saw some tandoorines outside and I stole a couple.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  I did, because it just, I don't know, it brings back like such good memories of that part of the childhood. Um, so I've been an active child, but um, I didn't, I was not like, I didn't excel at sports. I played every sport imaginable, but. I wasn't like an excellent athlete because I think one of the idea, one, one of the things there is, is that. When I got into the sports like as a teenager, it wasn't um, for the right reasons. I just wanted to. Work out, be as skinny as possible, as thin as possible. So it wasn't like I wanna be just a good athlete. And now it's become to like, I wanna be the best athlete that I possibly can um, at this point in my life, but.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was uh, an active child, super active child to now doing what I do.

• 7:46Codie Sanchez?

  What, what's Albania like? I've never been. What was it like growing up there?

• 7:49Speaker 01

  Um, so Albania was a communist country at the time where I, when I was born and and um, well into like my early. Years. It was tough. It was um, waiting in line for rationed food. Placing, you know, a water bottle in a very long line of people to claim your spot so you can, you you'd get your rationed food. Um, and then with the turning over of like communism to. Democracy, quote unquote, um, that also. Represented a lot of issues. There was um a civil war that broke out. You know, I was, I would stand in line for like, I mean, it sounds surreal sometimes, right?

• 8:31Speaker 01

  For a loaf of bread and being like, passing out, being elbowed by adults. Because you know, you, you had only a limited amount of food that was being distributed at that point in time. So you just had to fight for it, literally like survival, like literal survival. Um, so yeah, that, that, even though, you know, my mom was a professor, my dad was a doctor. You are slightly better off than, than other people in the sense that, you know. My dad would get extra payment in term, in, in the, in, in the way of a sheep or a, or some chickens, you know. So sometimes you'd have that little, uh, little surplus, if you will.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Um, I, I can remember like as clear as day, like the first can of soda that he brought home. Because somebody had gotten it from somebody that gave it to him, literally like a can of soda that me and my two younger sisters. Split into three little espresso cups and I can still taste that in, in, in my mouth and yeah, so it uh.

• 9:35Codie Sanchez?

  That's very different than LA.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is, it is. And like living this reality right now where, you know, I'm, I'm training Kim Kardashian. And I am, I, you know, I have a couple of businesses that I run and I would say, yeah, like a very successful individual. Like that almost seems like who, who, whose life was that? But it was very much my life.

• 9:58Codie Sanchez?

  Do you remember like the line, do you, do you remember the lines? Do you remember those moments?

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Oh, I, I, they're like, I keep getting chills as I speak about it, but um, yeah. It got me emotional. Um, yeah, I remember the lines very vividly. I like, I passed out in one of those lines. Like, you know, waiting for, for bread and in the heat, dry heat of Albania, um, probably. Eight, ten years old, you know?

• 10:30Codie Sanchez?

  And were you there? By yourself with your family?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  I was, I was, I was the oldest of um of three.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Three girls. So I a lot of the time assumed the um the responsibilities of of the household. I was like, I consider myself as like the boy of the house, you know, I was that tomboy that um I wanted to to protect and to care for the family and for my sisters and my mom.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  I forget the question.

• 11:05Codie Sanchez?

  Do you think that's part of the reason why you care about being so strong now? Is that?

• 11:09Speaker 01

  It is absolutely one of the main reasons why I um.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  But it is, it is truly, you know, it's, it's so multifactorial. It is, you know,

• 11:30Speaker 01

  caring for my sisters, my younger sisters, it is um

• 11:36Speaker 01

  caring for my mom. Who had a very, she, she had me at nineteen, you know, um and a child very much herself who was dealing with her own, you know, history of anxiety and whatnot and um to have a kid that young, you know, at times be be her parent as well, you know, um. So I think that that's one of the main reasons why

• 12:07Speaker 01

  empowering women to step into their strength and really embody who they're supposed to be at their fullest is so important to me that.

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• 13:16Codie Sanchez?

  Also makes sense why you've attracted these millions of people that follow you online. Because it's so much deeper than aesthetics. I mean, I had

• 13:25Speaker 01

  It is.

• 13:26Codie Sanchez?

  I had followed you and, you know, you are a very strong woman physically. But going through that mentally and emotionally at such a young age? Incredibly rare. How did you guys get out of Albania and get to the US?

• 13:43Speaker 01

  It was at the height of that civil war that I was talking about. It was

• 13:47Codie Sanchez?

  And this is where it was Albanians versus, there was like

• 13:51Speaker 01

  It was Kosovo that went to, you know, Serbia went to war with Kosovo. Take a step back, it was a little bit before that. It was like two years before that, if I remember correctly. Where this like civil unrest, people broke into the armories where they hold, is that the armories? Where they hold the guns and everything, weapons and And they were literally just shooting at each other like targets, like, you know

• 14:15Codie Sanchez?

  And it was racial based or religion based?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  It wasn't any, it wasn't anything. It was just a rebellion against the government, against, there were some pyramid schemes that went on that stole people's money. So it was just like, you know, I was young at the time, so the full story, you know. But it was, those are like kind of the main components. It was just a turnover from communism. It was just something that had built up over that time. So like that, the pyramid schemes and then, so yeah, people were just literally shooting at each other or were Making targets of something like, you know, can can you do can you make that shot? So I remember clear as day when that started, like going under the bed and like go hiding for cover.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  To because it was just so it was extremely scary. I don't even know how all of us in my family made it out alive. We fortunately, to go back to your question, fortunately won the the lottery to to to to actually come here legally. So we were equipped with a green card, which very fortunate as compared to other people. Um, so right away we had the green card, then we got our passports um and and that was that came at a very um at a time that was needed.

• 15:34Codie Sanchez?

  Did you speak English?

• 15:36Speaker 01

  I was the only one in the family that spoke English because I had taken some courses.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Um, some private English course with private, no, like not one on one, but like group courses that were outside of of of school hours. So, you know, that that came again with the responsibility of like having to translate, you know, at fourteen fifteen for my my parents and had to carry them, carry them through. I was the only one to, yeah.

• 16:06Codie Sanchez?

  And do they all live here now?

• 16:08Speaker 01

  They're in New York. Yeah, they live, they live here.

• 16:10Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, my lord.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  They're better equipped now, so thankfully.

• 16:14Codie Sanchez?

  He said, mom, learn some English.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:17Codie Sanchez?

  Incredible. And you know what's fascinating is I want to talk a little bit about the app and and the business that you have too, because it translates to so much more than physical strength, which is the really one of the main reasons I wanted to have you on. Everybody knows you on the internet for your strong body and and these videos that you do that are very easy to understand about how to get strong and beautiful for women, like you could be strong and fit and feminine and um. And yet, there's so much depth here. And so you could have quote unquote, just started another workout app.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 16:53Codie Sanchez?

  But instead, you decided to do something a little bit different. We talk about that, and now it makes a lot more sense.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think there is a lot of areas in our lives, especially in women's lives, that are sometimes spoken and unspoken, that we would like a little bit of help with and a little bit more direction. I mean, there's so much information out there nowadays that it's so overwhelming to decipher through. I mean, God knows how many reels my mom sends me on a daily basis.

• 17:21Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, me too.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  I'm like, Mom, put your phone down.

• 17:24Codie Sanchez?

  Forget about like children and perimenopause now. It's like we have to know everything.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. So you have to be an expert. You have to be your own advocate. You have to maybe have a medical degree and, you know, a lawyer. You may have to be a lawyer, maybe, in some situations, a law degree. So the idea is to really help women with not just fitness. I think fitness is paramount. It is, you know, taking care of our health is probably one of the most important investments that we'll ever make in our life. But I think there are so many other areas that we need expertise on, like true expertise, that you can kind of go, you can go in one place and find all of this versus scouring the internet or versus getting fed all of this sometimes very contradicting information.

• 18:12Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. And so the app's called We Rise?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Yes, We Rise. We rise together or together, we rise.

• 18:17Codie Sanchez?

  I like it. And you, and the idea is, there's fitness on it, but you're going to have a bunch of women speak on different subjects.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Yes, and have actionable items, not just speak, so, you know, somebody's speaking at you, but actually giving you tools that you can implement to achieve goals that you're working on. So whether that is changing your mindset, or navigating through careers, changing careers, or creating your own brand. That's coming in twenty twenty five. What we do have now is an expert in habits and a nutritionist expert as well to help you, you know, with even things like what are macros? How many macros should I be consuming?

• 19:01Codie Sanchez?

  It's so overwhelming.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:03Codie Sanchez?

  And a lot of it's not for women. Like I, you know, I mean, I have buddies that are all your buddies too that are health experts, but most of them are men. And so, you know, it's intermittent fasting. Well, turns out that's not that great if you're trying to get pregnant, for instance. I had no idea.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  It's not that great period if you're, you know, especially when you're hitting your late thirties and early forties, it is just not a good idea because of our hormones. Our hormones are much different than a man's hormones and that can wreak havoc um in our hormonal system. So no, no, I, yeah, I used to a long time ago intermittent fast and I've changed that. Because, you know, naturally I wasn't like a breakfast eater, but now I kind of make myself have that thirty, twenty to thirty grams of protein first thing in the morning, thirty minutes within waking up. So that I can tell my body basically, we're good. We have some nourishment. We don't go in, we don't have to go into the fight or flight mode.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Because as women, we are predisposed to to go into that mode. We we we work out of the sympathetic system more so than the parasympathetic. So that and and that kind of helps start the day that way.

• 20:18Codie Sanchez?

  To really be simple here, what's the right way to start the day breakfast wise as a chick? What should we be eating in the morning?

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Make sure you're eating like twenty, thirty grams, thirty grams if you can of protein in the morning. To just start you off because your body is looking for that protein for all those amino acids, for all those nutrients. To keep it simple for myself, like, you know, I don't have time to cook first thing in the morning. So I'll make a a protein smoothie that's also very digestible, absorbent, um, you know, meal that you can make quickly. I throw in, you know, it's pretty simple. Blueberries to get a little bit of fiber. Um, I throw in some protein in their protein powder. Either almond milk or um oat milk, I'm sweet unusually. And what else? I throw in some nuts, um I throw in my creatine in there.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  And I think that's pretty much it.

• 21:12Codie Sanchez?

  What's the deal with creatine? People are really excited about it right now and seem to think that people should be taking creatine?

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, for for a long time. See, I don't jump onto like supplements right away. I like to like see the data and see where it's going. Before I first of all, let's back up, you know. Supplements are not necessary unless you are lacking in nutrition. Um, I always go nutrition first, make sure that that's on point, and then you can see where you can supplement. Comes, it turns out that creatine is a is a pretty important supplement, not just in muscle growth, but in brain health as well. So I have, I've started myself adding creatine to, especially as, you know, get a little bit older.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  And you know, we want to really keep that muscle on, we want to grow that muscle, the strength, as well as keep our cognitive functions in check and creatine helps with that a lot.

• 22:08Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, you said before that um, one of the things that's a pet peeve of yours is that women say, hey, when I go lift, I'm gonna become really bulky.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:19Codie Sanchez?

  Can you talk to me about that? Is that what happens with women? We work out, we instantly get huge muscles.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Huge, huge. No, I mean, it's it's um how how we're built, like our our hormones do not allow us forget to for us to to become that big. Naturally, you know, I'm sure there is uh steroids and other anabolic that like people can use that can can do that and that's their choice. And maybe that's the fear there because people see some of these bodybuilder women that um, you know, and when you when you when you go to certain classes of bodybuilding, then they're almost like forced to take them. And you you're not gonna become that because that is not being done naturally. Just lifting, eating properly um will will not get you to that point.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  It'll get you to be healthy, to grow healthy muscle that you need for quality life or quality longevity. I mean, muscle to me is a currency. It's a currency to health. That's how I see it. And it used to be again, how can I be as thin as possible because of these thin models? Now I'm like, how can I put as much muscle as possible while I can so that I can prevent uh anything that might be detrimental to my health down the road, you know?

• 23:34Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it seems like more women are working out these days with weightlifting, but it's still not that common. Like of my girlfriends, maybe ten percent I can think of actually like to lift. Why do you think lifting is so important for women?

• 23:50Speaker 01

  Health, longevity, you know, preventing osteoporosis, preventing sarcopenia, like muscle loss, like preventing all of these diseases that are at the top of the list

• 24:02Speaker 01

  from which women die from. Because you know, you want to prevent the fall or you want to be able to get up from a fall. And those are, and and weightlifting, it's so important to to to do right now. Or wherever you're at, wherever, whatever point you're at, it is so important, whether you're in your twenties. But then it becomes even more important when you're like thirties and forties and fifties and so on to to lift. To lift relatively heavy, I would say, with great form. It's our health.

• 24:30Codie Sanchez?

  Well, how do you know if you're lifting heavy or not?

• 24:33Speaker 01

  So usually heavy, it's all relative, you know, but by, I would say if you're recommend, i- if in a program you're recommended, let's say twelve reps or eight reps. Heavy means going up until that eight or twelve rep and you're not able to go any further than that. Maybe you have one or two more reps in the tank, but you're basically AKA going to failure. And that's considered heavy while maintaining great form. Great form. You don't want to compromise form for um for the weight that you're lifting.

• 25:07Codie Sanchez?

  You know when I knew I really liked you on the internet? When I saw that you also wear your hair up to the gym? I go to like Collective and there's a whole thing there in Austin and everybody's like all dolled up in the gym. Have you noticed this trend? And the hair down? Now, you don't have that long hair. But I'm immediately judgy. If I see like a woman working out with her hair all the way down, I'm like, oh no. You know, I'm never gonna look that cute. So I'm immediately judgy of it. But you, um, you talk a lot about intensity too in your workouts. Like, how important is it how hard you go? Should you be sweating? Does any of that matter? Is it just, do you have to go fast? What does like a workout look like in your mind?

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:47Codie Sanchez?

  That's ideal.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  I go hard and, and heavy.

• 25:51Codie Sanchez?

  Andrew sweating, are you sweating?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  I grunt, I do. I'm one of, you know, the people that sometimes by the end, by like the last rep or two, um, I don't maybe look like that in the videos.

• 26:03Codie Sanchez?

  No, I have never heard a grunt.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  I don't wanna be too distracting. Um, I do breathe heavy, um, but, but yeah, I, I think intensity is, is as important as like lifting heavy. But, and then you come, when it comes to intensity, are you talking about like when you're lifting heavy? Or are you talking about like high intensity, like training, interval training or all of it?

• 26:28Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, my husband always says that you can't, like, you know, I go to the gym and I do the reps. But I'm probably not going as hard as I should. Maybe not as heavy, maybe not as fast, maybe too many breaks.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Well, breaks, fast, you don't have, slow is fast and fast is slow. So like lifting slow actually will help you with that mind muscle connection even further. So slow down the movements and then think about touching, feeling, thinking about the muscles that are working. So you don't have to go.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yes, don't go, don't go fast, go slow. Um, when it comes to, yes, most people don't lift as intensely as they probably can because they're afraid, again, especially women, of bulking. And um, I would say, test yourself, you know, test, test what that twelve rep to failure is, like, how close are you to that? Like, if you're, if you're doing, say, bicep curls, or if you're squatting, can you do twenty, thirty? Then you probably need, you need to, it's time, it's time, it's too light.

• 27:32Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, fine. You, um, you've talked about, you know, you, you train Kim Kardashian, which maybe a few people know on the internet who that is, and uh, other, just a few.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Three hundred and fifty something million.

• 27:46Codie Sanchez?

  Wild. Also, like, ultimate businesswoman.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Hopefully, I didn't get that wrong.

• 27:51Codie Sanchez?

  I think she's fine. I think she's doing good. But um, incredible businesswoman, as are you too. Um, what is it, how did that start? Like, how do you start training celebrities? How do they find you? What is that like, working with celebrities?

• 28:06Speaker 01

  They found, she found me.

• 28:08Codie Sanchez?

  She slid into your DMs?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  She slid into my DMs, literally. Well, not her, but you know, her people, her people initially. Um, I've had, I've had the, the honor and the pleasure of working with a few celebrities, uh, including a queen of a country.

• 28:24Codie Sanchez?

  That's wild.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  That was wild, yeah, very wild, and she's still my, a really good friend to this day. Um, but surreal, yeah, they approached me because I was never in the business, if you will, of training celebrities. Um, I never even thought that, you know, little old me could do that. But, yeah, uh, uh, the, the opportunities have kind of come across because I, I, at the end of the day, I've always been of the belief, I'm gonna put myself, my best self out there. And um, I, I find, like, you know, with, like, aesthetics, aesthetics come if you put in the work. All the good things in business come if you put in the right kind of work. So, yeah.

• 29:09Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, you also, I think, you know, you mentioned some really raw and honest things in your life about depression and um, how, how fitness helped you with that. And, and then obviously, what you shared earlier, you know, What what happened before? Were you depressed? And did fitness help you get out of it?

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I found found out later in my life that I have a genetic predisposition to that. Um, and I guess you could have, you know, realized that by seeing that my mom suffered from from anxiety. And I guess she told me that her father also did have so. You know, you can see kind of a pattern, but that I got genetic testing done and it was confirmed. So, um, yeah, the I did. I did as a teenager, you know, as a as a young, as a young child. I don't know that I can see any of the the things that I suffered from when it came to like my teenage years.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  So it probably was a compounding effect and of like being in a new country and having to take the role of a parent in in some ways. And then this genetic predisposition, which I don't know if there is any data out there or any studies that show that maybe creeps in at a certain point in your life. Maybe with your hormones changing and now you're a teenager and and that kind of gets activated, if you will. I have I have no idea how that plays. Um, but I did, I did go through, um, anorexia at the time too. So it was kind of a everything kind of fell on my lap at the same time.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  Um, and working out, strength training in particular, was my way out of out of all of that.

• 31:02Codie Sanchez?

  Did you find it? Like, how did you go from anorexia and being depressed to like pulling yourself out of out of bed and deciding to move? That takes a strong human.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  I don't, sometimes I do question like where I find this. I must be like some some some place that I'm pulling out from. Um, because yes, you have this kind of like two very opposing realities. This this this things that just want to keep you down. And then this like very.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Crazy drive at some points, which I I think I have.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  But I just, I I knew that something was wrong, so I um, you know. Would find help, like in college, found a therapist and would try to find for read books like self-help books. Has been like my biggest friend alongside with like, obviously working out was like self-help books, a lot of psychotherapy, a lot of um. Even like graduate, like college level books. For some reason fascinated me, maybe I have a fascination with the brain and the mind and how it works, so. It was kind of like a a loop maybe, you know, help yourself to to to get out of this situation. And that I did, and plus I had catalyst like an amazing.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Primary care doctor at one point where she was running marathons like. I don't wanna say every month, but at least every like quarter she was running a marathon, she was like in her fifties and. It was incredible, like incredible shape and. That was like kind of the starting points, like Sonata, just run, just just go for a run.

• 32:40Codie Sanchez?

  That's what your doctor told you?

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, just go for a run, cause other, you know, you know what happens, some like it's not the. Sometimes you're like, you know, take this medication, it's like the easiest thing, yeah, yeah.

• 32:52Codie Sanchez?

  Did they ever try to prescribe you?

• 32:53Speaker 01

  I have been, yes, yeah, so it was like.

• 32:56Codie Sanchez?

  Was that first?

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Combination of both, yeah, of both and. But I I the running like really was life-changing, like that was my little step into doing things to take care of. Of my health properly, doing it for the right reasons, you know, to get out of the eating disorder and anxiety and depression. Um, and not to diminish myself and make myself smaller and like. Doing cardio and so like I started running with the goal, like I'm gonna run a marathon. And that brought the need to nourish my body properly. And then I.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Found myself in, in strength training, you know, I was doing, I was still kind of like running and found, was going to my local gym, um, and just friends of mine were like, you should, you should try weightlifting. And I also had the fears of like, I don't want to be bulky, like, I don't want to be big. And, uh, but once I started down that path, there was like no turning back, no turning back, yeah.

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• 34:58Codie Sanchez?

  You know, it's, I, I was reading a study the other day that, um, for women under 30 in the U S, 60% of them at some point in time have been on an SSRI or an antidepressant. And that there is this, there's an epidemic really in the U S. Um, you know, whether that's over prescription or over necessitation or, you know, you know, not, not really sure. But for young women who are anxious or depressed, obviously we're not doctors, we're not making medical advice, but Would you tell them to replicate what you're doing? Would you say, "Try the gym, try running"? What do you tell young women who reach out to you about that?

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Try physical activity first because just as little as 150 minutes a week of physical activity can have almost twice as much of the effect as an antidepressant or as an anxiety medication can have. So try that first. That's your natural antidepressant. That's your natural anti-anxiety. And maybe, again, like you said, we're not medical doctors, so we're not making any of those statements. But why not start there with something natural? And if you need to, I mean, there is cases where people just can't get out of bed, just can't do it. So why, maybe then do it in conjunction? Consider that.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Or utilize, if it's medically necessary, the prescription to get out of bed, but then do something with it. Go to the gym. And then hopefully, by setting up that healthy habit of moving your body and working out, you can then in time, like I did, ditch the antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication.

• 36:43Codie Sanchez?

  You were able to get off of it entirely?

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:45Codie Sanchez?

  Wow.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  I'm off of it. It's been 10 years.

• 36:50Codie Sanchez?

  That's incredible. So what does a day in the life look like for you today? Obviously, besides podcasting.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:00Codie Sanchez?

  But maybe that's a big part of it.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Lately, it has been.

• 37:03Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, you're running a bunch of businesses. But what does it look like, a day in the life, if you got to choose?

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:09Codie Sanchez?

  What would it be?

• 37:10Speaker 01

  I get up, like I said, I do my, make my smoothies so that I...

• 37:14Codie Sanchez?

  Like what time? Is this, are you like a 4:15 riser? You look like an early riser.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  No, I'm not.

• 37:19Codie Sanchez?

  Really?

• 37:20Speaker 01

  I'm not. I need that little, like, extra REM sleep in the morning that I can get my... Sleeping is important to me. I sleep is another like component of health. So if I can get that right amount of sleep, I'm not gonna get up in the morning at at four fifteen. So I usually is like six, six thirty. Uh, that's more realistic for me. I don't wanna lie.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  So I get up, I make my smoothie, I make my cacao. The cacao is my caffeine, my caffeine substitute. And I either have meetings. It's like there's no day that is exactly the same. It was like meetings. I have to train Kim. I have to go to the gym. Like I, those pieces of the puzzle kind of move around. Um, I work on content. I still manage my own page. I have a few other social media platforms that I'm. I have not given up the controls yet. I manage it. I put the content together. I added the content. So all of what you see is done by me. Unless it's something from the We Rise or Zantoa, which is the clothing brand page. Just finally, the past few months decided to give up.

• 38:28Codie Sanchez?

  It still looks good. I think you're crushing it.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

• 38:31Codie Sanchez?

  Plus, the clothes are really cute. That's your brand that you started.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, Zantoa, a little mindful warrior.

• 38:38Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, and it's, wh- why did you start that brand? Like, there are a lot of. Workout brands out there. What made you think I want my own and I don't like with options?

• 38:49Speaker 01

  I just wanted something that I could wear all the time and feel good in it, like all the time. Because that's what I I live in, in in the workout clothes in Zantoa, pretty much. So I wanted something that was. Fashionable. I wanted something that made women feel good and it was great quality. So that's where I started. But to go back to, yeah, why did, it's not an easy business, like. Clothing industry and like competing, it's. Yes, you, you, yeah.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  But, you know, you make certain decisions uh early on when you don't really know. How, you know, like you're following is and what that translates into and what you're able to. To um order and sell. So it's, it's a tough business, especially for a small brand. When you're trying to compete with larger brands that. Can produce tons of units at super low cost. And here you are, you know, producing a fraction at a higher cost. So then you have to pass that on to, to the consumer. And yeah, it's, it's, but it's, it's still my little baby, the little engine that could.

• 40:07Codie Sanchez?

  Well, it's, it's really cool stuff that looks unique. And you can tell it's designed by some, like a woman who actually cares about the shape work. Cause she's got to wear it every day, which makes a huge difference, I've found. Um, and a lot of the times I think these big brands before were hard to compete with. But now, you know, you go and use some of the big brands and I won't name any names to be a jerk. But, um, quality definitely comes down, I think at scale.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, because even those brands are suffering, like just to hear some of the, like margins that they're having to, to deal with. It's like, it's, it's, they're suffering. So they're having to cut on quality. They're having to cut corners. And that is one thing that I've never wanted to do. Like I didn't want to cut corners. I didn't want to produce something and white label it. Or I wanted to really like stand behind the products that I put out there. Like something that I was proud of, like wearing and sporting around the gym.

• 41:09Codie Sanchez?

  It's true too, because then you're not going to attract a Kim Kardashian. You're not going to attract a Carly. You're not going to attract the type of people you want in your life. If you have a cheap brand.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:18Codie Sanchez?

  Um, they don't want to be associated with that. So I think that's really beautiful.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  She likes, she likes Zentou. She's, she, I give her pieces, she puts them on because they do shape you nicely, especially the behind.

• 41:30Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. So that's how I get your butt. I just wear the clothes.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  That's what I should have said from the beginning.

• 41:37Codie Sanchez?

  We have to work on this, you know?

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Bad.

• 41:41Codie Sanchez?

  Okay. I do want to talk about, so, so your day, you wake up in the morning, you wake up at six. You, you're making the smoothie, you're going to meetings, you're doing some working out, probably some more meetings. Only one workout a day?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. It's funny, like.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  I used to work out more when I had a corporate job. And had, you know, like a super busy corporate schedule than I do than I work out now. You know, you used to find me in the gym for a few hours and. Now I'm lucky if I can get, you know, and usually it's like forty five minutes to max on a good day, an hour and a half. When I'm doing lower body, that takes a little bit longer. So, yeah, on a day to day basis.

• 42:20Codie Sanchez?

  That feels doable, like for a woman, because when I see some of the women in the gym and they're there for like two hours, dang it. Or they have like two different workouts during the day, that can be tough.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  It's unnecessary. You don't need to have to be doing two workouts a day unless. You, that's, that's, you, you, you're a bodybuilder and that's what you're going for, you know, if you're. Some bodybuilders do, do, do two workouts a day. I've never done that, even when I was competing, I did. Bikini bodybuilder competition, so like the.

• 42:51Codie Sanchez?

  I've seen you.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  So even then, I didn't do two workouts a day.

• 42:58Codie Sanchez?

  Amazing. Do you ever get? Was it ever hard to put your body on the internet? I mean, I get comments on the internet and I talk about business stuff. But I don't really get comments about what I look like because it doesn't really matter. You know, they could be like, ah, you're poor, you're lying, Cody, you really don't know what you're talking about. But it's never really my body. I think it would freak me out to put that on the internet. Does that ever get to you or did that in the beginning?

• 43:25Speaker 01

  I don't know how I bypassed that. At some point I did. I think the hardest thing was hitting like a hundred thousand followers. I'm like, I think I don't know. I didn't sleep that night where I'm like, a hundred thousand people are watching me do this and are. It was, that was like the, and then, I, I don't know, I just kind of like. Adjusted myself to the reality of having so many people. Look at me and look at my body and honestly, when it comes to like, I know there's like a lot of negativity sometimes. I, I don't have, I'm super grateful for my audience that they're incredible. They don't have. Any negativity, if, and yeah, much if any at all. But even if there is.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  It almost kind of makes you stronger because you can take it two ways. You, you can allow it to bring you down and that's the only thing that you think about. Or you can.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Take it as like, this is not a reflection of me. This is a reflection of the person leaving that comment. So it just kind of builds more confidence in that sense for me. Because I go the other way where I'm like, no, I know who I am. I know what I'm doing. And that's not, that's your opinion. I'm sorry you feel that way.

• 44:40Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, it's beautiful. Do you ever, do you ever feed the trolls? Do you ever clap back at them? Talk a little shit? Ever once?

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Very rarely. When there is like, when there is comments about steroid use.

• 44:51Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, that one gets you. There's always one that gets me.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Because I am such a puritan, if you will. When it comes to like what I put in my body, like I don't even take uh an ibuprofen. For not mentioning any brands, like I don't even take anything. Or I try not to, you know, if, you know, I've got super bad cramps. Like maybe.

• 45:13Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Uh, on those days, uh, very rarely even so. I just move my body and the, the PMS goes away. But um, if, if my diet is so clean, why would I do something like that to, to myself? Why would I ingest that? No, like I, I refuse to.

• 45:32Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  So that's what gets me because um, I put in so much work with nutrition and, and working out and mindset. That it kind of diminishes, takes away from what I, from what I do. And also, I think more importantly than that is sending a message to my audience, to other women. That that is not achievable. She's taking something to achieve that. And I don't want that message to be out there. And it's like, no. And I, I don't necessarily want you to achieve my body. You achieve the best version of you. But know that, that it's attainable. Whatever you're wanting to, to attain, it's attainable or a version of it. So that, I think that's what bothers me the most.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Is like, don't speak on my platform to my audience. Cause they're listening and they're watching.

• 46:21Codie Sanchez?

  I love that. Yeah, I think it's very easy to, it, there's always easy to tell people why they can't. It's very hard to inspire people why they can't.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 46:30Codie Sanchez?

  And so I think that's, that's really, really beautiful. What stuff do you do that's not working out for your body? Like, are we doing red light? Are we doing acupuncture? Like what else should we do alternative wise to stay healthy in your mind?

• 46:46Speaker 01

  When I can, I'll hit a cold plunge, I'll hit a sauna, you know, I'll do those. But I don't always have time for those things and I, they're not always readily available. So I just did actually um chase the real dopamine kind of post. And it it went viral, if you will. And it includes things like cold plunge and sauna and meditate and all of these things. And people are like, I don't have time for all of that. I'm not doing all of those things every single day. I, you know, don't have access to to all of those things every single day. But whenever I can and pick and choose, you know.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  If it's sauna, if it's cold plunge, if it's meditation, if it's yoga, if it's working out, like what whatever those elements that you are that you can bring in. That will release that natural dopamine, do that. Um for me, working out is a non-negotiable, meditating is a non-negotiable. And um I do a little bit of yoga after my workout, just like five, ten minutes to bring. It's my cooldown. Um so those are kind of my non-negotiables. It's the mind um mindful stuff, you know, it's meditation and the yoga and the workouts.

• 48:04Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  And obviously the nutrition.

• 48:06Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I love that. Well, I also think it's cool that you share all that other stuff too. Because I mean, man, I I think um Gwyneth Paltrow did such a cool thing by normalizing the extra crazy stuff that you can do. We don't all have access to it, we can't all afford it.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 48:20Codie Sanchez?

  But like, I still like to know what's up. You know, nobody's yelling at Andrew Huberman for having access to all this stuff. Why are we yelling at the ladies for having it? It's very weird.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:29Codie Sanchez?

  You know, and even with Kim, like, I want to know what, I want to know what weird shit she's doing that makes her look so great. And maybe we can't afford all of it, but at some point, we will be able to afford more of it because it all becomes more accessible.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I think it's like that, that um view, at least for me. I think people think that this is what she does all day, every day. I like take care of my body, I work out, I work out all day, every day. Um that's what I do. Meanwhile, it's like the time in my life when I've worked out the least, if you will.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, like you were talking about before, meetings take time. As you know, one hour meeting turns into a two hour meeting. Training, um, somebody takes times. It's all of these components that come together that, yeah, no, I don't work out all day, every day. I run two businesses, I run social media platforms, um, don't have time for all of that.

• 49:28Codie Sanchez?

  No, no, you don't, I'm sure. So, is there anything that makes you nervous still? Like, you've kind of achieved this peak in so many different things. You have a couple incredibly strong businesses, you have this huge social platform, you're hanging with all these celebs. Like, what makes you nervous these days? Is there anything you're doing right now that you're like, oof, I'm pushing the edge?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Um, what makes me nervous these days, I, I'm a perfectionist, so I'm always nervous.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  I mean, I, I'm always contemplating whether I'm doing enough, you know, like with the We Rise app, am I providing the most value that I can? Am I providing the best content that I can? So, I, those things, as much as I've, I've min- I've minimized them. They don't keep me up as much at night, they don't keep me up as much, but they, they still do to a certain degree. Um, but it, it's also, when it comes to, like, I have people depending on me now that are part of the We Rise app and Zentoa, so I want to make sure that, uh, I bring my best self to, for them and for everybody that I serve.

• 50:35Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, hiring employees is scary because then you are responsible for them in some way.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 50:40Codie Sanchez?

  At least, I think. Um, do you have things that you tell yourself when you absolutely do not want to go to the gym, or you absolutely do not want to do more? What's, what's your inner dialogue sound like? Can we steal it?

• 50:52Speaker 01

  I don't try not to have an inner dialogue. I do. So it's not, you know,

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Maybe brushing your teeth is not the best. I don't know. Do you negotiate with yourself whether you gotta brush your teeth?

• 51:05Codie Sanchez?

  No, that would be gross if I did. I wouldn't admit that.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  So it's kind of for me is like that as well. We're just, we're gonna get to the gym. We're maybe not gonna crush it on that particular day. We're just gonna start with whatever feels comfortable. I usually go for like a seated something, like maybe seated abduction. Just sit and kind of move your legs in and out. That seems kind of like easy. And then that kind of builds that motivation. So I, I don't wait for the motivation. I don't talk myself into feeling motivated. I act my way into, to being motivated because that motivation comes with, with, uh, with movement.

• 51:44Codie Sanchez?

  That's a great point. So move first and then your mind sort of follows.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Absolutely. And also like if you keep in mind that things that are usually hard in the moment, you know, like working out or making the right choice when it comes to nutrition, like we'll have that reward later. We'll give you that reward later. Just keeping in mind like how good you feel afterwards. Like I've never, I know this is cliche, but I've never regretted a workout that I did do.

• 52:09Codie Sanchez?

  No, man. I never regret it once I get to the gym. It's just getting to fucking gym sometimes.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  I mean, I've had people in the app that slept with their clothes on so they could just take sure that I've already put these clothes on. I might as well get up and like get something, you know, like work out in the morning. Um, just eliminate, when it comes to that, when you know that you're a person that's contemplate, then contemplates that a lot, that is struggling with yourself. Am I gonna work out today? I don't feel like working out. Set yourself up for success. You know, have your clothes ready, have your shoes ready. Know what you're gonna be doing. Leaving it out. Sometimes it's like, I don't know what I'm gonna be doing. So that's like another thing. Like know what you're gonna be doing. Know when you'll be doing it. Like what time of day? Like schedule it, almost like a meeting. Schedule it the day before or schedule your week.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Where are you gonna do it? Are you gonna do it at the gym? Are you gonna do it at home? So scheduling and, and kind of removing all the unknowns and the stressors around it.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Makes it more accessible.

• 53:12Codie Sanchez?

  So true, and I still don't do so many of those things, which is like the funny part. It's it's layering a few actions on top of that. Now, you are gonna have in the app mindset, but also nutrition. Is the saying true that you can't work your way out of a bad diet?

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is true, unfortunately. It is true, I mean, we do, we do have currently habits and nutrition. That's currently in the app. So then that's great, because it does help people with setting up this new habits and just in general new habits and ditching old ones and then moving into better nurturing themselves. But your your original question was, yeah, you can't out-train a bad diet because and that, you know, what does a bad diet look like at the end of the day? You know, if you're not, if you're not nurturing with enough protein, then you're doing yourself a disservice because you're not building the strength and the muscle that you need.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  If you are putting in foods that are not good for your body, like sugars and whatnot, that's also, you're not going to be able to out-train that because your body can only process so much.

• 54:23Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. Do you drink alcohol?

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Why, I think I heard this on another podcast, I knew it was coming. With Mike, actually. I, I used to love a glass of wine in the evening. I used to love it because for me, it was like an experience, you know? I just, I just love the experience. It doesn't serve my body anymore. It doesn't serve like I get, I from even a glass of wine, I could have a hangover the next day, I could experience like heart palpitations at night. Which, so it's like, that that trade-off just is not there. I will still do it once in a while, make sure like I drink a ton of water and

• 55:10Speaker 01

  clean, you know, try to do like clean, clean alcohol.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  But. You know, it's just not something that benefits me anymore.

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• 56:20Codie Sanchez?

  So what do you do at the end of the day? When you're like, you know how that's how I used to think about it. We were kind of taught, especially in finance, we drink a little bit too much. But you know, at the end, you're like, it's a long day. I gotta wind down. I grab a glass of wine. I sit down like it was my habit.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:34Codie Sanchez?

  So what do you replace it with?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Walks.

• 56:37Codie Sanchez?

  Walks.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  That's like walking my dog in the park and watching the sunset and just chatting with people. That's kind of been a huge, honestly, it created anxiety in the beginning because for me like, you know, that was my, my thing. It created a habit. We create these habits that we rely upon and just a matter of like putting in the reps with a new habit.

• 57:00Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  And walking and meditating and truly listening to my body and what that did for my body.

• 57:07Codie Sanchez?

  Now, do you crave like meditating and walking? Like I like meditating in the morning.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:12Codie Sanchez?

  But if you're like Cody, long day, go ahead and meditate. But like the thing is, no. Like, that doesn't sound like tasty enough.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's.

• 57:20Codie Sanchez?

  But do you start? Does it feel tasty for you now? Does it feel like lovely?

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. It does, especially depends. Try out different kinds of meditation. I went to Bali and got certified in meditation and breathwork and did learn some meditation and breathwork techniques that that does give you that real good feeling so that it does have that reward. Effect.

• 57:45Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that's a good idea. Do you do it with your, with your man?

• 57:47Speaker 01

  I do. We went together, actually.

• 57:50Codie Sanchez?

  Who leads the meditation?

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Oh, it's, it's, we, none of us.

• 57:54Codie Sanchez?

  None of us.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  It's a pre-recorded, yeah.

• 57:56Codie Sanchez?

  I like those too.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Meditation, yeah.

• 57:58Codie Sanchez?

  Do you listen to a person in particular?

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Or you could do a silent, like those were the, you know, a couple of things that, that, I mean, more, more than that, but like those are kind of our go-tos. If we want a little bit more of an activating, like feel good, maybe more of a breath work, so you're really oxygenating your body.

• 58:17Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  And moving your energy. And then if you want more of, of a relaxed and going back to center, then it's more of a silent meditation.

• 58:25Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. Do you ever get him to do like eye gazing or anything?

• 58:30Speaker 01

  We did eye gazing and we had set the timer wrong, so it was like staring for like ten or fifteen minutes. Like, I think this has been,

• 58:42Speaker 01

  it's been longer than five minutes.

• 58:44Codie Sanchez?

  I tried to talk Chris into that. He was like, what is wrong with you? He actually, he loves meditating. He does it a lot now. It helped him a lot when he was in, in conflict zones too, actually. I forget what the name of the woman, Ziva Meditation, maybe is her name? Anyway, but he started doing what I would consider kind of similar to transcendental meditation.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:04Codie Sanchez?

  Which is what I do or like. And then I started listening to, you know this, do you know the guy David G? Kind of looks like Santa Claus? No.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  It's not come, yeah. Sometimes it's like I'm bad with names. I know faces. We see them maybe like floating around.

• 59:19Codie Sanchez?

  You can tell me what you think, if you like him or not.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:22Codie Sanchez?

  Are you gonna have a meditation person on the app eventually?

• 59:25Speaker 01

  I'm sure we're gonna have somebody that's dedicated, that even though I am certified in it twice over, because I went to India and, and got certified in yoga and meditation and breath work, and then went to Bali to further my meditation and breath work, um, knowledge and cer- and the certification there as well. But I feel like we might need somebody that has, and that's been more, that was more for my personal and, um, usage, if you will. Uh, I'd love to bring somebody that's, that's their sole focus. Right now there is. Some meditation and yoga on the app as well, just shorter, you know, I guide people through it. Through the yoga and through the meditation, those little like fifteen minute, five minute yoga, fifteen minute meditations.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Just like graspable little pieces for people that are short on time. But yeah, eventually that's definitely the goal.

• 1:00:13Codie Sanchez?

  I love that. Okay, so I was thinking that these days I get a little overwhelmed. There's so many things about health overall and especially like right now, what's going on with like, you know, Make America Healthy Again. And there's a lot of commentary about seed oils, GMOs additives versus like portion size, calorie count. You know, is it both? You know, Mike, Mike's take is, Rattel, he was basically like, hey, uh, stop eating so much and then you won't be fat. And then you have RFK who's like, we're getting poisoned by seed oils. Is it both? What do you think?

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  I would side with Mike's a little bit on that in the, in the sense that let's tackle like the big rock issues. Like the, the easy, the easier issues and you know, um. Are you eating, what, what are, was the calorie amount that you're eating? What's the macro breakdown? Like those are, I feel in a sense, a little bit easier. And then when you have grasped that, when you're consuming enough protein, when you're prioritizing protein. Then you can dial it in. Am I eating the right type of foods? Am I eliminating, um, you know, all of these other things that we know by now are not good for our bodies. But it's a, it's a step by step process. And that's what I tell like my family too, like stop consuming all of this crazy information.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Like don't eat spinach and oxalates and this and that. Like, don't do that. Start with the basics, like eat enough protein. Um, move your body properly because that is proven that will most likely override some of these other things. That you're not even doing in like big amounts, you know? And, um, if you want to, then once you've got this like foundation and big rock issues, then, then dial it in. Like we were talking about before, even with supplements like. Big rock issues and then see if you need to like supplement.

• 1:02:07Codie Sanchez?

  That's a really good point. I guess it's sort of like money because it's the same thing. It's like, yeah, you could learn about equity investing in shorts and, you know, options, or you could earn more money and spend less.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:02:20Codie Sanchez?

  And you could start with those two things.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:02:23Codie Sanchez?

  That makes me feel better because these days I'm like, I can't keep track of all of the things we're supposed to do.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  It is so overwhelming and then people don't do anything. It's just like go back to like their old, you know, habits because again, you're trying to like, eat an elephant versus like little bites, not eat an elephant, eat an elephant in one bite.

• 1:02:43Codie Sanchez?

  Either way, not great. Frowned upon, I think.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:02:47Codie Sanchez?

  So what about, um, like you talk a lot about.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Don't eat elephants, by the way.

• 1:02:54Codie Sanchez?

  That's gonna be the title of this podcast.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Sonata said, eating elephants will make you grow a big booty.

• 1:03:00Codie Sanchez?

  Exactly. Albanian advice.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:05Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, so if you had to rank it from worst to best,

• 1:03:12Codie Sanchez?

  I want to throw a couple of things out you and you can tell which one you think. So alcohol, bad sleep, processed food, seed oils, not working out consistently.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Are we rating from?

• 1:03:23Codie Sanchez?

  I don't know, whichever way you feel great about it. But let's rate from bad to good. So like if you had, what's the worst? Is the worst thing you can do, bad sleep? Is it alcohol? Is it, you know, processed foods? Is it too much foods?

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh, I feel like these are all bad. I would say prioritize working out, prioritize sleep, prioritize nutrition, like eating enough protein. Um, what was the other two? Like processed foods, try to eliminate them, try to eliminate. So it's like taking that step by step, you know? Get enough sleep, work out hard, dial in your nutrition. And then the other steps of like eliminating processed food and eating as much as you can, whole foods, and then. Sure, like eliminate seed oils, replace olive oil, you know, now, and my dad always used to say like, olive oil is medicine. I used to be like, haha, like olive oil is medicine. And now,

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  you know, there's so much uh also out there in the media, including Brian Johnson, like

• 1:04:24Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  drinking shots of olive oil.

• 1:04:27Codie Sanchez?

  Do we, do we believe that?

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  I like olive oil. I actually, I'm pretty, pretty, you know, I haven't done studies. I'm not sure what the studies are out there, but I personally love using uh a decent amount of olive oil in my diet.

• 1:04:41Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Like my salads are basically, um, the, the dressings are pretty simple most of the time, unless I wanna get fancy, but most of the time, like ninety percent of the time is olive oil, lemon, salt. That's it.

• 1:04:53Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that's good. Okay, I like this. I'm basically trying to work my way back into my glass of red wine is not the worst option. So I think we almost got there.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yes. I mean, and again, like how often it think with, with, with a glass of red wine, like how often are, are you consuming it? You know what I mean? So if it's like once in a while, um, and I like what Doc, what Dr. Mike said that if that is the only way that is going to kinda help you unwind and like the risk benefit. You always talk about the risk benefit in that situation.

• 1:05:29Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:30Codie Sanchez?

  What do you think about stress? Like how bad is stress for your body overall? And how much does working out offset stress?

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  A lot. Like, working out is, like we were talking about before, like stress goes into like anxiety, goes into depression, like all of those things are mood disorders. Um, it, it is at the top of the list. Um, working out is a, a big release because it uses up that cortisol, like it, um, it, it is, it is huge at the top of the list, I would say.

• 1:06:02Codie Sanchez?

  Is that how that works? It actually uses up your cortisol on working out and so it removes it?

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  It, it actually helps, yeah, like it while, and it depending on, you know, certain types of workouts can increase the level of cortisol and, and there is later on, a, a longer period of time where it can be brought back down unless you're doing, you know, things like maybe meditating and, and doing those mindfulness practices to lower it back down. Um, but yes, working out is at the top of the list for, as a stress reliever.

• 1:06:34Codie Sanchez?

  What do you think is the worst exercise advice you've ever heard?

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Worst exercise, in terms of like, don't lift because it'll make you bulky.

• 1:06:44Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that's bad.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  That's bad. That's one of them up there. And the best was you actually start, start doing it, lift weights.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  And for me, like, maybe it's a little tangent, just to like, stay authentic. It doesn't quite fit into the workout, but like, the authenticity part of it. As far as like, when it comes to like, my presence on social media and my platform and, and the businesses, it's just to be authentic.

• 1:07:13Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, well, you come off that way.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:07:15Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, totally. I think it's hard to grow on the internet to the size you are if you're full of it. I mean, there's, well, actually, you live in Hollywood. You probably have been like, Cody, I've met plenty of them, actually. Not true. Okay, one other thing that I wanted to kind of talk about in, in a little bit is like, the, the size of, of social media that you've grown is really big. You know, as you're building these other businesses and understanding the importance of distribution, how, how did you think about growing these businesses? Like, what does, what does CEO Sonata think about growing an online presence, how to do it, and what did you learn?

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  It's, it's been, there's been definitely growing pains as with every business. And, you know, to be honest with you, it's been, the focus mostly has been on, on We Rise versus like, like, Zentou and the distribution on that. That, that has been a lot of logistical.

• 1:08:14Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Not nightmares, but like, with, with COVID and everything, it did bring upon like nightmares. So, but when it comes to, to We Rise, which has been kind of the main focus,

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  we have been lucky to work with a team of people and have brought on good people to kind of manage to help really, you know, I can, I can almost, I can almost not involve myself to the detail that I'd like to involve myself with, and, and allow them their, their freedom to operate because they, they are and have grown into experts that they are nowadays, but.

• 1:08:55Codie Sanchez?

  How long have you worked with these people? How'd you know they were your people? You probably get approached with a lot of stuff and I don't really see you promote very much at all.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  It's been, um, I would say maybe a year and a half. Is that true? Yeah, about a year and a half. And then we finally were like, you know, I'd, I'd worked with a different set of people when we first launched Zantoa and we were working with people in Australia. We had production out of China and that was a little bit of a nightmare. So then we engaged, uh, people that we had known for a long time. And we had gone back and forth and spoken and then we saw the work that they were doing. Then we involved them into kind of clearing out and, and settling that process, um, and the production in China and moving it to, to Portugal.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  Where Zantoa is now exclusively being produced. Um, and then they proved themselves with their abilities to move product where their marketing, advertising with logistics and everything else that comes with running, uh, an apparel company. And, uh, and then we trusted them with, with actually working with, with We Rise as well.

• 1:10:11Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, interesting. So all the same team?

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're all the same team.

• 1:10:16Codie Sanchez?

  Do you have another CEO that's not you?

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  We do, yes, yes. Um, kind of share that role. Um, but then we have hired actual people that are in LA that are part of like the immediate team.

• 1:10:30Codie Sanchez?

  Do you ever ask Kim for business advice while you give her workout advice?

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  I, um, maybe in passing, like it hasn't been like super direct. I'm like very like, okay, this is what we're doing. This is what we're going to focus on.

• 1:10:43Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, you're a pro.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Sometimes it's like, you know, uh, and I, you know, she knows this, but she'll try to like, tell me something or like, maybe we'll, we'll like, you know, she's even put it up on, on the, on, on her stories, like watching, uh, Love is Blind while working out. I'm like, okay. Sure, I'll, we'll, we'll let that happen. Today.

• 1:11:06Codie Sanchez?

  You're probably, are you tough?

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  You know, and I'm like, I missed that. I'm sorry. I was like focusing on your form, focusing on what you were doing. So, yeah, I'm kind of like a hundred percent there. But yeah, in passing, I mean, just she is kind of a living embodiment of like, uh, a hard worker. Like she, she works hard. You know, not a lot of people see that, but she works, she works hard.

• 1:11:32Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, you don't get struck by lightning twice, you know, you don't have multiple billion dollar businesses by accident. Hitting a billion dollars once is so damn, I mean, that's point zero zero zero one percent

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:11:43Codie Sanchez?

  Of newly created businesses would be anywhere near that. Uh, so that's, that's rare. But she does have that Emma lady who seems like a stud that runs a bunch of her businesses too. So maybe you need your Emma.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  I know. I mean, we, we have, we have some Emmas.

• 1:12:00Codie Sanchez?

  What do you do if they're listening, huh?

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  We're, we're, we're building, you know, it's, it's, you're, you're always gonna have, um, people that, that, that you believe in, that you help them grow. And, um, unfortunately, we've had, we've had some good people. We've really had some good people.

• 1:12:19Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, well, like attracts like, okay. I want to go for a couple just quick questions here.

• 1:12:26Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, man, no, some of these don't work for you. So if I was gonna ask, I was gonna build my playlist based off of yours. Your playlist is nothing. It's your zen, zen brain.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  No, I have.

• 1:12:35Codie Sanchez?

  If you had three songs, like who's, what are the top, do you, do you put a song on to like get you amped up?

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  I don't know. Weird song choices lately.

• 1:12:45Codie Sanchez?

  Yes.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Just because like the combination of like meditation and all of this stuff, but it's, uh, Perungi.

• 1:12:52Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, I like that guy. Yeah, only because I live in Austin. That's like Aubrey Marcus and.

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  I forgot. Yes, yes, yeah. So he's got a few songs that really like

• 1:13:00Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Amp me up. We got those like tribal, you got like that tribal stuff, you know?

• 1:13:05Codie Sanchez?

  Are you dancing around while you're listening to those?

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Maybe, I know, I need, I'm like, I, I do need somebody that is capturing some of those moments.

• 1:13:14Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, come on, man. What's happening?

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  But, um, those, and then, you know, I, I love Fred again. I don't know if you listen to Fred again, again. They've got like a few good songs.

• 1:13:25Codie Sanchez?

  Okay.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  I'm not sure like what your vibe is as far as like music goes, but.

• 1:13:29Codie Sanchez?

  Are you any sing-alongs?

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Sing alongs?

• 1:13:32Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, like you're singing to anything?

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  I have to like Fred again, I like Fred again. Good, yeah, it's like not a lot of, not a lot of syllable, not, not a lot of like words. But like, very impactful words.

• 1:13:45Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, I like this. I think I know the answer to this, but like, if you could only do one or two workout moves for the rest of your life, what are you choosing?

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Oh, man, one or two.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  I would choose a Bulgarian split squat.

• 1:14:06Codie Sanchez?

  And why?

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Cause I, cause it, it tackles just like so much of your lower body, like your glutes, your, your quads. Um, to a lesser level, like your hamstrings and it's a, it's a compound, cause you know, depending. Um, how you're performing it, you know, and, and the weights that are utilizing where you're placing them.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  That, that would probably be like a good go to, and if you're gonna do like an upper body one, so if you're gonna make me choose like one and one. Then a pull ups, cause it's working on your grip, it's working on your back, like it's, it's, it's a, almost a total body. Exercise, not so much legs, but like I already chose the lower body exercise.

• 1:14:47Codie Sanchez?

  Do you also squeeze your butt?

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  That's why I do them. Actually, I had somebody in the gym approached today and was like, I saw you last time doing pull ups, like I must love them. I'm like, I actually hate them. But because I do, that's, that's why I do them, cause I hate them. Sometimes, you know, those are the best things to do is the things that you don't enjoy doing.

• 1:15:09Codie Sanchez?

  It's so true.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  It just builds that resilience, that mental resilience.

• 1:15:14Codie Sanchez?

  Do you also squeeze your butt when you say the word Bulgarian squatspots? I feel like every time you're mentioning a movement, it makes me. I think I do every time. Um, what about, um? If you uh sort of had to think about building out a home gym or like the top pieces of equipment. Some of the stuff I love about your workouts is a lot of them you don't need much. Like I can be on the road and I'd be like, alright, scroll, scroll. There's like one or two I could do there. Um, what do you think is absolute must have in a gym? If you've got like three to five things and that's it, what is it?

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  Dumbbells, like have a few sets of dumbbells, maybe like a few lighter ones, medium and heavy. Um, if you don't have like the option to just get a full, full stack. If you can, like a cable machine would be great, like a corner cable machine because there's so much that you can do with that. Um, yeah, I think those are kind of like the main, absolutely I can get a an amazing workout with just having those two, two, two things. Um, I mean, then you can add other, other things as well, like maybe a squat rack or uh leg extension combined with a, a leg curl. But those are like, if you're wanting to add uh different pieces of equipment.

• 1:16:34Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I love that. You don't use a lot of kettlebells?

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:16:37Codie Sanchez?

  You do?

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. It's a combination. I mean, yeah.

• 1:16:41Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, you like them, but you could just as easily do the other stuff.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, I feel um are you talking about like if I was to choose between dumbbells and kettlebells? Oh my gosh. Like one group of people is gonna come out there.

• 1:16:55Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, is that true?

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:16:56Codie Sanchez?

  This is like a gang?

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Maybe the kettlebell gang?

• 1:16:59Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I feel like they're, they're not gonna like it.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  They're, they're tough. You know, no, I love kettlebells. They're so versatile and I, I, I utilize them both. But um, there's, there's unique ways that you can utilize kettlebells that maybe

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  you know, dumbbells you can't, you can utilize in a more

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Way more, I feel like, not I feel like, I know, you know, you can utilize dumbbells in a way that you can utilize a kettlebell. I think I might have said that the other way.

• 1:17:28Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if you're doing like a kettlebell swing, I utilize a dumbbell, like a heavy dumbbell to do a dumbbell swing. Um, for people that don't have kettlebells, because a lot more people have dumbbells versus kettlebells.

• 1:17:42Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  At their disposable.

• 1:17:44Codie Sanchez?

  And maybe they're not so intimidating, like my mom wouldn't know what to do with a fucking kettlebell.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Codie Sanchez?

  You know, no chance.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Codie Sanchez?

  But dumbbells, she might be able to figure that one out.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  A little bit, just slightly more, more versatile.

• 1:17:54Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that makes sense. All right, let's do two rapid fires and I'll let you get out of here and back to the non-gym, but meetings you have to go to. Um, rapid fire, animal protein versus plant protein?

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Animal protein.

• 1:18:07Codie Sanchez?

  Do you do any plant protein or not?

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  I do, I do. I sometimes, you know, will add, but uh, there, studies are just out there and are undeniable as to how much more beneficial like animal protein is.

• 1:18:20Codie Sanchez?

  Yep. Um, how about, I already know the answer to this, I think, but lifting heavy three X a week versus cardio seven X a week?

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Oh, lifting heavy three X a week all day.

• 1:18:29Codie Sanchez?

  It's like, do you follow me? Walking versus running?

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  Um, pick your, pick your poison. I should say, I keep saying pick your poison, pick your elixir, pick your elixir. I mean, it depends, you know, you could do a steep walk. Uh huh. Or you could do a, a run. Um, and again, what is the purpose? That you're using it for? Like, again, I always go back to like, what's the purpose? That you're wanting to choose between walk and run?

• 1:18:58Codie Sanchez?

  Hmm.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Um, running can be great, can release those endorphins, so can walking to a certain degree. Um, running can get you into that cardio vascular zone, probably faster, not probably, faster than walking can. But again, it's like, if you absolutely hate running, like, walk.

• 1:19:18Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:19Codie Sanchez?

  What about, um, do you have like a book or short story that you go back to again and again? Where, where you read and get inspiration from?

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  You have me having me go back and think. Um, you know, there was a, there was a time that I was listening to um, a Buddhist, but to just to, yeah, Buddhist monk monks book that had short stories and had very deep meaning.

• 1:19:48Codie Sanchez?

  What do you like about this one? Why, why read it or go back to it?

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Just a lot of um, short stories that have like a deep meaning for everyday life, for things that most people are struggling with. You know, like I, I love a story and I hope it's from this book. There's, there's, there's two by monks um,

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  that that I love and it's about like the this, this monk, this young monk was building a brick wall and he misplaced a couple of bricks and he couldn't, going back to like the perfectionism. And he could not give up the fact that he had put this two break bricks that didn't look like the others that they were imperfect. Instead of looking that he built this amazing big wall, he kept on just thinking about the two, the two bricks that he placed wrong. And that's for me, that's a big lesson that I'm still, I still learn every day. It's like not, don't look at the two bricks that didn't quite fit. Um, look at the big wall that you just, that you just built.

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• 1:21:50Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, true. Yeah, it's probably why you're such a good builder and prolific because you're always noting the downsides.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  True, true. There is, there is, there are some benefits that come with that with, with being a perfectionist for sure. I think I attribute a lot of my success to, to being somewhat of a perfectionist. Now there is some other things that you need to work through and be accepting of that not everything is going to be perfect. That there's going to be a learning curve, that there's going to be, you know, it's like, it's, it's like lifting, you know? It's like making progress when you're first working, when you're first starting a workout program. It's like building a business, you know, like you're gonna have those setbacks. You're gonna work hard and maybe not see results like right away, but keep your head down, put in the work. And the results will come and don't try to be perfect.

• 1:22:38Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I like that. Okay. And then if you had to leave people with like one action to take, one thing that maybe they could do after listening to you today, what would it be?

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Lift weights and eat your protein.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, no, the one thing that I always like to, to say besides that, is do everything from a place of love. And I've said this before, but I just always want to keep say, saying it even, you know, when you're at the point where you're like, I'm just not happy where, where I'm at. I'm, I'm just not happy with my body or whatever it is. Like start from a place of loving where you are because that will, is the only way to get you where you want to be.

• 1:23:24Codie Sanchez?

  Is that what you remind yourself of about you?

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, absolutely.

• 1:23:28Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, like it's sometimes hard to love yourself?

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, um, I think I was raised by, by perfectionist mom. I think that's where I got, you know, she, uh, had an A must, A minus was, uh, was failing. You know, so you needed to, to have all As and if you weren't first, you were last. So, um, that doesn't develop a whole, and the praise came very rarely if at all. So, uh, yeah, it was definitely it's been a learning curve as far as like loving yourself. Um, but I think.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Even strength training for me is was one of those aspects that did help bring that build that self-confidence and all of the other aspects, you know, kind of like stepping back from myself and looking at all of the things that I have done, you know, like graduating in three years with summa cum laude from, you know, well-known university and then going to business school while I was full-time, working full-time and, you know, it's like, okay, if I were still like see all of this

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  a- as like somebody's else's resume, not my resume, right, then I'd be like, wow, that's that's an accomplished person. That person has done some things.

• 1:24:55Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, one of my dearest friends Shayna, that's what she always reminds me. She goes, you know, you're enough, right? Like how you are right now, you're just fine. And I'm always like, shut up. Then I start tearing up, you know, because for perpetual perfectionist drivers, for whatever reason, it's never enough.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:25:13Codie Sanchez?

  And it's not like, at least, I don't know if it's for you, but for me, it's not that I need more things. It's like, I have to be more somehow.

• 1:25:22Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:25:23Codie Sanchez?

  It can be a sickness in a different way.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  It can, yeah. You you put it so well, you know, like, yeah, it's there's nothing that I that I need. I don't necessarily go like, I hate shopping.

• 1:25:35Codie Sanchez?

  Me too.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So, but it's it's it's it is that, that um, almost kind of trying to find that point of being enough, like where that is. And I think it's always a moving point. So um, realizing that we are already that and knowing that for whatever this other idea of being enough is is is is, you know, we already have that. That is just a moving target of some absurd whoever created that situation.

• 1:26:08Codie Sanchez?

  Yes. Well, this was so beautiful. I am so honored to hear your story that I didn't even know half of. And I can't wait to to watch you and We Rise grow and all the things that you do next. It's so impactful for women everywhere. But I think everybody's listening is gonna have to go check out We Rise. They're probably already following you on the internet, so I'm not even gonna tell them that. But your biggest platform is Instagram.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:34Codie Sanchez?

  Senada Greca.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  Senada dot Greca.

• 1:26:35Codie Sanchez?

  Greca. Senada Greca. And anywhere else you want people to follow you?

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  On the, you know, main ones, YouTube and TikTok, but sonata.gr on Instagram is the biggest one. And then werrise.xyz is my little baby.

• 1:26:53Codie Sanchez?

  And she's gonna have even more of a glow up in January.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. As I said, we already have the nutritionist expert, the habits expert, but then we're gonna have a bunch of other experts join us in the field of mindset and sleep and hormonal expertise, if you will, career advice.

• 1:27:15Codie Sanchez?

  You do wanna get him pregnant? That's a real bitch for me right now. And I think a lot of like getting pregnant. I feel like that, that advice out there today is damn hard to find the right stuff.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:25Codie Sanchez?

  I don't know who plays in that game, but the answer can't just be that more of us have to do IVF. Like, that's so wild. Sonata, werrise.xyz, all the socia ls. Thank you so much for being here today.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Thank you. It's been an honor. Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed chatting with you.

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

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