Trump DECLARES Hormuz OPEN + Israel & Lebanon CEASEFIRE | PBD #779

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana break down Trump declaring the Strait of Hormuz open, the Israel-Lebanon ceasefire, California’s Stop Nick Shirley Act, Secret Service response to Erika Kirk threat claims, and new Russia collusion evidence involving Barack Obama. ------ ✝️ FAITH OVER FEAR HEBREWS 11:1 HAT: https://bit.ly/3QeO4NK Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH NICK SHIRLEY: https://bit.ly/49gyFlE Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:14Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 0:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 00

  My sundry. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Take me!

• 0:29Tom Ellsworth?

  That's very biblical, Adam.

• 0:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Here am I. Here I, here am I. Here am I. It's my fault. Yeah, blame me. I'm the reason why we're late today. Lock me up! Yeah. Throw away the key. Guys, uh, welcome. As usual, Adam is late, but uh, great to be with you guys on the podcast. Uh, some weird things happened yesterday. Yesterday I was at an offsite. From uh, 7:30 in the morning, not at the Ritz, but at the Four Seasons. From 7:30 in the morning till 7 at night, and then afterwards, we had the sickest one year anniversary at the boardroom cigar lounge. If you were there, it was amazing. Mikel, the girls, the team, everybody that runs the shop did such a phenomenal job. We had a great time uh, being with those guys, and then all day I'm getting texted.

• 1:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you know Tucker Carlson called you out? He said, "You said bad things about Catholics. How dare you slander Catholics?" Is what he said. So maybe we'll show the clip, but I'm gonna react to that separately because I don't want to be a lot of noise when I react to it. I will properly react to Tucker's uh, call out and address it. And then uh, apparently there was a Turning Point USA event that took place. With the Turning Point USA event, uh, if I'm not mistaken, Erika Kirk couldn't show up because there was a threat, but JD did show up, but not a lot of people showed up. Is that kinda, am I saying it correctly? Or something like that? And so Vinny's got some thoughts on it, so do I. We'll talk about that. And then California voters, Tom just revealed it right now, there's two things

• 1:58Patrick Bet-David?

  that California voters are voting for their governor, and Tom's gonna reveal what those two things are, and he's got the stats behind it. You know how Tom rolls. He doesn't fool around. Tom's a serious guy, okay? And he's gonna share with you guys what's going on over there. And then there's the ceasefire between Lebanon and Israel.

• 2:16Patrick Bet-David?

  They're even agreeing to meet together at, I don't know, Islamabad, I don't know where they're willing to meet, to have the negotiation and Trump said, if the deal gets done, he's willing to go to get the ceasefire done, not the ceasefire, the negotiation done. This, by the way, this blockade is working so effectively, they're saying it's more powerful than what they're doing with their weapons because there was apparently a Chinese vessel, a vessel from Chinatown, if I'm not mistaken, that's coming through and you actually have to see how the military tells them to other ships, I don't know if this was a specific one. Hey, I'll try to paraphrase it in a little bit more diplomatic way, but this is what they said. Turn your ass around and go the other way, we're gonna blow your ass up. That's kind of like how they said, military language, they're younger, they talk like that.

• 2:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But it was, it was a lot more diplomatic on the way they did it. Can you imagine, these are 19, 20 year old kids, young men that are protecting the world, handling these ships, 19, 20 years old, Vinny, they're out there doing the work. Unbelievable, God bless them, absolutely, thank you for your service. We have the freedom to do what we're doing because of these young men that are serving out there. So that's that part, and then what else we have with some, oh, there's a video, that's just such a disturbing video. I don't even want to play it, but we have to play it with this, you know, a gay couple who are apparently in Hollywood, they're, they're award-winning type of couple. And they're holding this boy that I think they just adopted. And the, the boy's asking for mom and he starts crying.

• 3:40Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, it's a very, very difficult video to watch, but we'll watch it. I've always had a problem with this, I've talked about it openly, it's cost me some relationships that I, I just, I just think when it comes on to adopting kids, you, you have to, you have to adopt them to certain families. You gotta be a little bit more careful, it wasn't too long ago that we were not okay with what we're doing today, but it is what it is. I, I've literally had issues with this and I've openly talked about it and some people don't like my position on it, but it is what it is. You can call me old school, whatever you want to call me, I'm not changing that position for myself. Aside from that, a few other things that's going on that we gotta get into.

• 4:18Patrick Bet-David?

  With Iran using Chinese satellite to target US bases before attack that took out Air Force planes. And Trump found out about this, like, hey, what are we doing here? What is this all about? There is, there's some, you know, Dan and I were speaking this morning, he says, look, some of this may be because, you know, you know, the debt and we're gonna go do this with the dollar. There's so many ways, if this ends up coming out good for him, it'd be another one of those things for him to add to his resume, that everybody lost their minds and then he end up winning, if he ends up winning, if he ends up coming out of it. There was a question, one of the reporters asked, Rob, I don't know if you have this clip or not, if you want to find it, because I'm gonna go to it. When the reporter says, Mr. President, did you hear about Iran is about to kill four,

• 5:02Patrick Bet-David?

  with one being the first woman? And Trump looks at her and says, have you told the Pope that? Go tell the Pope. Go tell the Pope. And it was interesting to say that to the Pope. And then J.D. Vance, at the TPUSA event, said a few things about the Pope. Franklin Graham said some things about defending Trump's position with the picture, hey, all that other stuff, even though the President ended up taking that picture down. I mean, I don't know if you heard or not, that picture was taken out. The President is not one that takes things down, but he was able to take it down. He did end up taking it down. Then there's something else going on called the Stop Nick Shirley Act. Can you imagine? They don't want people to be exposed in California. And so, they're coming out with this thing called the Stop Nick Shirley Act, which, you know, it is what it is.

• 5:45Patrick Bet-David?

  We applaud Nick for what he's doing, he's doing a great job out there, we hope he continues. And he keeps getting funded by others that are supporting what he's doing as a young man, putting himself on the line. It's not the safest thing he's doing, but that's where courage comes with it. So, and last but not least, this one story, which is good news. More young men say religion is very important to them. And this is not a New York Post story. Vinny, this is a New York Times story. Really? Okay, yes. Young men turning to religion, very important to them. Last night at the cigar lounge, I don't know if you know Victor Belfort, Victor Belfort was, I'm sorry, Vitor Belfort was one of the greatest fighters of all time. We watched him for many, many years.

• 6:29Patrick Bet-David?

  He is a crazy, crazy guy. When he came down, when it, when it comes out to fighting, he's there, we're talking together. And he says, you know why I love, uh, you know, what, what you guys do and the brand and all? I said, why? He says, because it's important for you to be a great father, right? And we talked about young men, faith, he's got three kids. All of them know how to fight. The oldest is a boy, he's got two young girls, I believe. Just a very good conversation with the guy. You're seeing more and more young men turning to God, realizing they cannot do this anymore. And a lot of the divisiveness, the games are like, look, man, I need someone's help. I need God, I need God's help to be on my side. So with that being said, before we get started, we have something very, very special to introduce to you here today. From Vinny, so Vinny, share with us what good news you have.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  Well, Pat, that story leads into exactly what's going on with the brand new hat. I've been so excited. We finally have it. So many of you guys have been asking for this, the black on white faith over fear hat with the cross on the right, our shield. And then Hebrews 11, uh, one on the back. And by the way, and I tell people this all the time, Pat, this isn't just a hat. It's letting people know exactly where you stand. Faith in Jesus Christ and no fear. That's the mindset and that's the life. And as you just said, there's a Gallup poll, Pat, people, there's a shift happening right now. The Gallup poll showed 42% of men ages 18 to 29 say religion is very important in their lives. That's up 28%, okay? That's a huge jump and people are leaning into faith. And if you want to represent that, guys, go to VTMerch.com. The supply is really limited.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  These things are going to go fast, guys. I walked into the studio today and already four people dead. Everybody's like, yo, when am I getting my hat? So this is it, guys. Faith over, like faith over fear. Faith, you have nothing, if you have faith in Christ, you have no fear about job, life, uh, death, anything. And this is it. The hat's out, it's on the website. Go to VTMerch.com and, uh, place your order. I, I guarantee you, these are going to go fast.

• 8:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, they look, they look, this is the only thing Humberto wears.

• 8:26Speaker 03

  Humberto's been wearing it, but he had it before I had it.

• 8:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  I don't know how that happens.

• 8:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He took it from you. He took it from you. So I'm going to wear this hat today. Because I think it's good to have faith over fear. So go to VTMers.com, place your order, represent it, go to work, confuse people a little bit. It's, it's, and not only confuse, create a story, tell your testimony after that, but it's a great way to start a conversation. All right, let's get right into it. So, you ready for the most important data, Tom? Can you tell us the most important stat of today? That was $119 just a few days ago, barrel. How much are oil prices right now?

• 8:59Tom Ellsworth?

  The market's gonna open in six minutes. Crude oil is at 83.

• 9:03Patrick Bet-David?

  What does that mean? The fact that it dropped down to 83?

• 9:06Tom Ellsworth?

  That there is confidence and stability in the oil markets. And remember, this adventure started at 65 to 67. That was the nominal price of oil back in late January through Valentine's Day before the fun started. And so now we're sitting on 83, 84 dollars, which means the oil market is calming down. This is a very good thing and the overall markets are up. The S and P is at 7140, which in pre-market, which is an all-time high.

• 9:37Patrick Bet-David?

  All-time highs. S and P. S and P.

• 9:40Tom Ellsworth?

  S and P 500.

• 9:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but aren't people trying to celebrate for the economy to do bad and, you know, for it to be a, you know, bad look for the president? Isn't it supposed to be like a massive drop-off, Tom?

• 9:51Tom Ellsworth?

  So, um, you know, people like MSNBC and our good friend on MSNBC are really having a tough time this morning.

• 10:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 10:01Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, because once upon a time, they had that tingling feeling in their leg and they were so happy about Obama. And now people like Chris Matthews are, he said it, not me, he said it. And now they're sitting there with their coffee, absolutely devastated because the American economy looks like it's shifting.

• 10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, do you know?

• 10:17Tom Ellsworth?

  And it looks like gas might be more affordable for people. So there's no one to yell at this summer. What will they do?

• 10:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Chris Matthews hasn't been at MSNBC for a while. It's the other problem.

• 10:26Tom Ellsworth?

  A long time.

• 10:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, that tells you how much. I'm glad you corrected me. Me and Tom are in peace negotiations right now. I didn't want to correct you, Tom. So let's go into that topic.

• 10:34Tom Ellsworth?

  But you are right.

• 10:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go into that.

• 10:35Tom Ellsworth?

  90%. Wherever he is, he no longer is getting a tingling feeling.

• 10:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so, so let's go into this topic that we have. So Rob, Lebanon, Israel ceasefire. What is the latest with this? Because the 10-day ceasefire in Lebanon begins as Israel agrees to US-backed deal. President Trump announced the agreement, which went into force. Thursday evening, as Pakistani mediators worked to extend US-Iran ceasefire and arrange new talks, if you want to go a little bit lower, Rob, Beirut, a tentative 10-day was set up. The ceasefire was announced on Thursday by the president and confirmed by Bibi in a later video. Netanyahu said that Israel had an opportunity to forge a historic peace agreement with Lebanon, but that Israeli forces would remain inside Lebanese territory in a reinforced security buffer zone. The agreement was not negotiated by Hezbollah. The group that Israel had been targeting, and which, Rob, if you can pull it up a

• 11:24Patrick Bet-David?

  little bit, and which gave ambiguous statements about whether they would recognize that a ceasefire must include a comprehensive halt to attacks across all Lebanese area with no freedom of movement for Israeli forces and a return to the situation prior to March 2nd, when the current round of conflict begin between Israel and Hezbollah began, the group said in a statement. So, while you're hearing this, the Israeli military said there were at least 40 strikes from Lebanon after Trump announced the pause, and Lebanese state media reported heavy airstrikes in regional areas. So, both of them were going back and forth. How big of a deal is this, Adam?

• 11:59Adam Sosnick?

  This could be huge, because, listen, most people, most countries want two things: peace and prosperity. I think the US wants that. I think Israel wants that. I think the UAE wants this. I think Saudi wants this. I think Lebanon wants this. Then you need to ask yourself, do these US-designated terrorist groups want this? Do you think ISIS wants peace and prosperity? Does ISIS wake up every day, "Let's be peaceful, guys," when they're having their cereal and coffee? Does Al Qaeda think that? Does Hezbollah think that? Does Hamas think that? That's not the way they think. So, right now, what's different this time around is one thing. There's a weak and almost on the brink of disaster Iran.

• 12:43Adam Sosnick?

  Now, we talked about this last podcast, that I think Lebanon is Iran first, because Iran, the IRGC, is basically controlling Lebanon. Now, this peace talk right now between Netanyahu and the Israeli government, he's speaking for the first time. High level peace talks, they've been at war for 78 years. Since the infancy of the country of Israel since 1948. So now you have the president Joseph Ahoun, I hope I got his name right. They're having the first high level talks in decades, basically. And you know who's not there anywhere near the talks right now? Hezbollah. So they're basically saying, we want peace. Me and you want peace. You're Lebanon, I'm Israel.

• 13:28Adam Sosnick?

  Let's make peace. This guy's messing everything up. So what do we want to do? Should we handle this? Or do we bring this guy in? Because this guy doesn't want peace. And the people of Lebanon, they're just very similar to what's going on in Iran. If I can just paint a very clear picture. The people of Lebanon are very similar to the people of Iran. 80% of Lebanon wants peace, prosperity, and they want Hezbollah out of there. Just like 80% of Iran, which we've talked about, wants the Ayatollah and the IRGC out there. The question is this, can they actually negotiate peace? Or is Hezbollah going to get in the way? Is there going to be deeper conflict? Thoughts?

• 14:06Tom Ellsworth?

  So, right now, it's been very interesting how Israel was kind of doing its own thing. When they said the ceasefire, the first thing Israel said and people that were there said, now that doesn't include us in Lebanon. What's going on with us in Lebanon is separate. But now a ceasefire in Lebanon, you know, I pray that there's a ceasefire there. Because the Lebanese Christians and the people that are in the rural areas there, it's horrible. It's like, in the morning, the rockets go south. And then the evening, the rockets go north and they're stuck in the middle of it. And I know that there's, you know, the bad people that are there, Hezbollah and everything.

• 14:49Tom Ellsworth?

  But I want to see the ceasefire and I want to see it wrapped up. And I... I'm really sad.

• 14:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what clips do we have on this, Rob? Do we have any clips on this?

• 14:59Speaker 05

  Not right now. I do have Netanyahu, but it's not in English. I'm translating it now.

• 15:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  I, I, oh, I, I think I lowered my mic.

• 15:06Tom Ellsworth?

  It's in Hebrew. You need some help? What do you need?

• 15:07Speaker 03

  No, no. I, I personally think, Pat, well, America, I don't know how the rest of the world operates. We don't negotiate with terrorists, correct? So how, how can you, I, I don't, I think a ceasefire is unrealistic because remember we were sold, war on terror, war on terror, war on terror. It's an unrealistic win. You could never win when you're going against terrorists. And any nation could always say, there's terrorists there, there's terrorists there, there's terrorists there, and it's like a blank check to keep going and doing whatever you're doing. So my question is, how do you win? Because I don't believe if a terrorist nation or terrorist groups, you think they're going to negotiate, they're going to bomb right back, and then they're going to bomb right back. So I'm curious, what is a win?

• 15:48Speaker 03

  What is an actual, okay, Hezbollah is gone, and they're done, and you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm, I'm trying to figure out, because I can't, I've run so many scenarios in my head where I'm like, okay, if me and Pat say, Adam, you and Tom, you, there's terrorists over there. We could keep coming and keep coming and keep bombing, and until when? Because all you have to do is say that there's terrorists. I'm not saying that there's not terrorists in Lebanon. I'm not saying there's not terrorists in Iran, of course. But what I'm saying is, what's victory? How do you achieve a win? Because again, we're talking about Hezbollah.

• 16:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Permanent victory?

• 16:21Speaker 03

  Permanent victory.

• 16:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No, there's no such thing.

• 16:22Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying, and that's such.

• 16:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but, but that's, that's life, though. I, I think that's how life works. I think that's how business works. You're, you're, whenever you have people with opposing beliefs of you, you know, that, that look at the world in a different way, that look at business in a different way, you're never going to have permanent peace. You're just looking at finding ways to make progress. This could be a sign of progress. Here's what Trump had to say yesterday when he was being asked about this. Go ahead, Rob.

• 16:52Speaker 06

  I, I think they will. I think it's going to be, actually, it's very exciting, because it's 48 years. We're going to be meeting with Bibi Netanyahu, as you know, and the president of Lebanon.

• 17:05Speaker 06

  And I had a great talk with both of them today. They're gonna be having a ceasefire. And that'll include Hezbollah. And I think, I think it could be number 10 for me.

• 17:17Patrick Bet-David?

  It could be number 10 like. Talking about making peace agreements. Right, right. So, but, but then this also leads to, you know, yesterday when he's having a conversation, you know, they, they asked him, and I'm getting, they asked him about, did you hear about the four people? Is this the one, Rob? Yes, sir. They, they're gonna, Iran has taken out four people and one of them is a woman. And look at his response. Go forward.

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• 18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Execute four protesters.

• 18:43Speaker 06

  Well, tell that to the Pope. What do you say? Tell that to the Pope.

• 18:51Speaker 06

  Did you just hear that? Iran is gonna execute four people, including one?

• 19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's he talking to there, you know? Well, probably a person asked the question about the Pope prior to that. So that's why he's pointing at that reporter. But he says, tell that to the Pope. So look at Iran. Hey, they're executing four more and one, one, one girl, they're, they're killing. Tell that to the Pope. And when he's saying Pope, he's saying because the Pope is against war. That's what he's saying, right? Because the Pope made a comment about it. Tom, with, with things going on right now with Iran and the vessels trying to go through of Strait of Hormuz, one of the ships was going through, and by the way, this China one, if we have that, Rob, for me to read it. Chinese oil tanker retreats from the Strait of Hormuz, shows how Trump's blockade is working. Okay? Chinese oil tanker retreat from the Strait of Hormuz, shows how the blockade is working. So this is kind of interesting.

• 19:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So China's got great relationships with Iran. You know, they should be able to go through, but wait a minute, they're now not? What happened there? A sanctioned Chinese oil tanker crossed the Strait of Hormuz then was forced to double back and return to Iran after President Trump blockaded the vital shipping lane. According to ship tracking data, a boarded voyage of the rich Sterry, a Malawi flagged Chinese-owned tanker that was blacklisted by the US in 2023, shows how the US Navy successfully blocked the flow of ships carrying Iranian oil. Since the war began, most vessels have had traveled out of Strait of Hormuz, have been loaded with Iranian exports. Given the cash-strapped regime vital funds, so far, the US blockade on the eastern side

• 20:26Patrick Bet-David?

  of the Strait of, Gulf of Oman has stopped at least five ships from heading out into the oceans. According to the trade analysis from Kepler, Iran has stifled nearly all traffic through Hormuz, which previously carried 20% of the world's oil by threatening to attack tankers if they don't pay the ransom. Iran, the rich Sterry, which was previously accused of helping Tehran skirt oil sanctions, has mass dislocation in the Persian Gulf. For more than 10 days before attempting to leave the Strait of Hormuz on Monday, the tanker owned by Shanghai's Zhongran Shipping Company was loaded with 250,000 barrels of methanol. Initially, appeared to make it through the blockade, but updated tracking data revealed the ship stopped in the Gulf of Oman on Tuesday.

• 21:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what does this U-turn mean about the power US has that even China is now listening?

• 21:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, it means that it is not... To say that we are controlling the strait right now is absolutely true. And you also notice, and Rob, if you could put that map back up. We showed the map the other day, the one you just had, just right there, right there, right there. You see how they're going on the northern route, Pat? Remember we looked at where Oman, the two shipping routes went right around Oman? That is on the south side, but there's mines there. And Iran says, "I don't know where the mines are. I don't remember where I put them." Okay, and now they've got to run this at the top. So we've like, "Okay, you're not going through." So number one, Trump had a conversation with Xi that got leaked, and reliable sources are indicating that one of the things he told Xi, "Stop providing military support."

• 21:59Tom Ellsworth?

  They were sending him jet fuel, or rocket fuel, excuse me. They were sending him rocket fuel. And apparently, they gave them satellite images of the US bases at other places in UAE and Oman, where they had actually launched those rockets that hit the tankers, that hit US bases there. So China was giving them basically intel, targeting intel. So there's a lot going on with China here, and the rich Starry is a smuggling ship. When we've had blockades, we've had economic sanction, that thing has been loading up with oil and sneaking back and forth through, going to China and back. And as far goes 2023,

• 22:40Tom Ellsworth?

  they identified that that ship is basically a Chinese government operation, getting them oil back and forth. So what's going on here? The blockade is working, the US military is there, and even China's ships said, "Yeah, I'm gonna hang a U-turn here. I'm not gonna screw with this."

• 22:55Patrick Bet-David?

  While that's going on, they did say that China slammed US military blockade of Strait of Hormuz as a dangerous and irresponsible move. Rob, I think you got a clip on this one if you want to go through it.

• 23:06Tom Ellsworth?

  I think dangerous and irresponsible would be if they kept sailing.

• 23:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, but what this officially, this move here officially showed that China is more afraid of America than Iran, and they're now listening. This is a very, very important situation here. Go ahead, Rob. Play the clip.

• 23:23Speaker 09

  Regarding the second question, I have already stated China's position. As for the third question you raised, China has always maintained a prudent and responsible approach to military exports.

• 23:36Speaker 09

  We exercise strict control based on our export laws and international obligations. We oppose groundless smears or malicious associations.

• 23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Did he just say anything? What did he just say, Rob? I don't even know what he just said.

• 23:51Tom Ellsworth?

  First of all, I don't trust him because he has an English accent.

• 23:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's the Foreign Minister of China. But what did he really say? What was his message?

• 23:56Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not sure.

• 23:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What did he say, Rob?

• 23:58Tom Ellsworth?

  We've been careful with military exports. Well, why are you sending rocket fuel?

• 24:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 24:04Tom Ellsworth?

  To the guy that needs rockets.

• 24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 24:08Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, check it. Here's what's going on. Trump launched Operation Epic Fury

• 24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 24:15Adam Sosnick?

  against Iran.

• 24:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 24:17Adam Sosnick?

  Do you know the new term they're using right now?

• 24:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 24:19Adam Sosnick?

  Operation Economic Fury. Have you heard this yet?

• 24:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 24:22Adam Sosnick?

  Economic Fury. So when you hear Economic Fury, you're thinking, okay, that's next level with Iran. Nope. Pause. It's all about China. What I want to do is reframe the conversation. Venezuela. What's happening in Cuba right now? Iran. Syria. Lebanon. Russia. It's all China. What do I mean it's all China? Because the end game is China. Do you think when we finish winning this war against Iran, which we will, as we militarily defeat them, strategically defeat them, economically defeat them, Trump's gonna say, who's next? We know who's next. We're about to have midterms soon. The second half of this administration is gonna be all about China.

• 25:07Adam Sosnick?

  And what we're doing is having economic warfare versus China. Now, how do you how do you pose economic warfare? Well, it's very clear. Like Tom said, you're choking off oil from the Strait of Hormuz. So, one other thing. Either Trump, one of two things, you tell me what you think it is. Either Trump is a complete buffoon, madman, running around crazy, doesn't know what he's doing, completely controlled by Israel, doesn't know what he's doing, or...

• 25:36Adam Sosnick?

  Everything he's doing is strategic, well thought out, calculated, and a cold-blooded economic plan. I happen to think he's on number two, the former, sorry, the latter. So what's happening? Oil warfare, US hegemony, stability through strength, drill, baby drill, making sure the Petro dollar still is basically done in US dollars. Everything he's doing with tariffs and last but not least, BRICS. It's all about economic fury versus China.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  And I'm all for everything for America. I've been seeing people online that are literally cheering against us. And you talked about the strategic.

• 26:17Adam Sosnick?

  Are they Americans?

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Americans that are anti, of course.

• 26:20Adam Sosnick?

  So can I pause for a second? You're seeing people online.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  People in America want us to lose.

• 26:26Adam Sosnick?

  That are rooting what?

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Against America.

• 26:29Adam Sosnick?

  Against America.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  Okay, so can I get to the point?

• 26:32Adam Sosnick?

  No, my point is, let's not just gloss over that.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  No, I'm not, well.

• 26:35Adam Sosnick?

  Imagine you're in America, rooting against America.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Adam, there's people that burn the flag and hate him. We see them all the time.

• 26:40Adam Sosnick?

  They hate.

• 26:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, let him speak.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, and Adam, but yeah, let me, let me get to my point.

• 26:44Adam Sosnick?

  I'm getting you, baby.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  My point is, there's those people, and you're talking about, and by the way, I'm an American. Regardless, whatever's going, I have to support the president. Even though Joe Biden, I made fun of him because he was old. I still don't want him to make stupid decisions because it affects us and children and everything like that. And I, and I get what you're saying. The Strait of Hormuz, economic, what's the other stuff that you said? The strategic and all that.

• 27:04Adam Sosnick?

  Drill, baby, drill.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Well, you know what? Every, it's almost as if everybody forgot, the Iranian people. This whole thing, I remember, was for them.

• 27:13Adam Sosnick?

  I got your back. Don't you hang those boys. I got your back.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  I got your back. Let me finish, Adam.

• 27:18Adam Sosnick?

  That was one component. It wasn't the entire thing.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Hold on a second. This is me as Vincent, just an American sitting around. It was for the people, but now we're, they're negotiating with the same people that were killing the people in the street. So are they going to change the leadership? Because I haven't heard a peep from the people. And that's what I, my heart goes out for them because they did their part. They revolted, they were in the street, they lost all their lives, well, they're getting hanged today. My point is, I love the economic victory, but if the people are still in charge, the terrorists are still in charge, how is that ever going to help them, Pat? We have to go in there and the goal was the regime change, topple, whatever. And I just feel for them. I feel like their voices are lost.

• 28:01Patrick Bet-David?

  100%, I'm with you there. I will, I will tell you the one part. There is no winning with Trump. And, and, and, and the part that I noticed with his critics. If he goes in, they'll say, oh, he's putting boots on the ground. If he doesn't go in, he says, oh, look, he didn't take care of the Iranian people. He said he's gonna come out and help out with it. If he.

• 28:20Adam Sosnick?

  Chickened out.

• 28:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. If he doesn't do the deal and the market, uh, you know, oil prices go up. Oh, look what he's doing. He, he doesn't know how to take care of the economy. If boom, get oil prices go to 83, did you notice all he cares about is economy? Vinny, there is no winning for this guy. Okay. He has to make a choice of what it is to lead and go out there and make it happen. Now watch this. One interesting thing's going on. Look at Trump's tweet here. Okay. If you want to play this clip, it says Iran has just announced that the Strait of Iran is fully open and ready for, uh, passage. Strait of Hormuz, he changed it to Strait of Iran. Play the clip.

• 28:57Speaker 10

  The screen for a reason. The Iranian Foreign Minister, uh, who seems to be, I really, the, the guy in charge, or at least publicly for Iran, uh, just fired this off in a post on X, and I'm going to read it for you now. In line with the ceasefire in Lebanon, the passage for all commercial vessels through Strait of Hormuz is declared completely open for the remaining period of ceasefire on the coordinated route as already announced by ports and maritime organization of the Islamic Republic of Iran. So on that news.

• 29:31Patrick Bet-David?

  This is from the White House 24 minutes ago.

• 29:33Speaker 10

  Market is flying through the roof. That opens in 28 minutes. So we'll watch that.

• 29:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Just tweeted this 24 minutes ago from the president. So that means there's a conversation that just had for this to be had. And then Kobashi letters also posted it, Rob. Iran has officially opened it up. In line with ceasefire in Lebanon, the passage for all commercial vessels through Strait of Hormuz is declared completely open for the remaining period of ceasefire on the coordinated route and already announced by ports and maritime organization of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Now what this means, you know, economically, the market, Tom, what is the market looking like right now?

• 30:07Adam Sosnick?

  The market's on fire right now, Pat. S and P 71 23.

• 30:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god.

• 30:11Adam Sosnick?

  The S and P is all time high. Nasdaq is all time high. VIX is completely low, meaning volatility is very low. Dow was trying to get back to 50. Yep. We're back, baby. We're so back.

• 30:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Dow was back 1.1% today. Nasdaq up a point. S and P up a three quarters of a point.

• 30:28Tom Ellsworth?

  Gold almost forty-nine hundred right now, almost forty-nine hundred for gold.

• 30:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Gold is forty-nine hundred, Bitcoin's at what? Where's Bitcoin at? Seventy-five?

• 30:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Bitcoin's at seventy-five, I wanna say?

• 30:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, seventy-five, so, but, but, I wanna know the details. I wanna know what was negotiated, I wanna know what's being talked about behind closed doors. I wanna know, you know, wha- what, a part of it for me, like, remember back in like two years ago, when I said one of the most important things for me on, on twenty-twenty-four for the president to win? Do you remember what I said was one of the most important things for me? It was the Panama Canal. I said it's very important for me to control, for us to control the Panama Canal, right? Because long-term, you don't want China to see what's their next manipulative game to play against the US. You know what's the next thing I want US to have control over? Carraig Island. I want us there. I want us to have, in Iran.

• 31:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I want, cuz there's about four or five islands around there, I, I want us to have some kind of an influence over that because if you do, then guess officially what you do because Panama Canal is important to China for what reason? Think about the difference between Strait of Hormuz and Panama Canal. How are they each important to China?

• 31:39Tom Ellsworth?

  That's how they got the Venezuelan oil. That's how, during embargo, that's how they got Venezuelan oil.

• 31:44Patrick Bet-David?

  From where?

• 31:46Tom Ellsworth?

  They got it from Venezuela and then through the Panama Canal, it went across the Pacific Ocean, that's how they got, that's one of the ways they were getting energy that they needed.

• 31:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Today, today, think about today in twenty-twenty-six and the future. What role does Strait of Hormuz play for them and what role does Panama Canal play for China and for US? Moving forward, after what we just learned the last six weeks.

• 32:08Tom Ellsworth?

  If China doesn't have a more dominant negotiating position on both of those, preferably one, it means they're now at the mercy of other people and they can't play below the surface cuz they need the energy.

• 32:21Adam Sosnick?

  So it means they're at the mercy of the United States.

• 32:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Correct.

• 32:24Adam Sosnick?

  It means what I'm seeing right now, if I could just kind of encapsulate everything. We pull up this fear and greed index, right? On CNN, they always.

• 32:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Greed is super high.

• 32:33Adam Sosnick?

  One week ago, it was at extreme fear. So you know, so during COVID, oh, my God, the markets, six months later, all time high.

• 32:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 32:42Adam Sosnick?

  We've seen this enough as grownups at this point to realize the market goes like this. But over time, everything's okay. It's World War.

• 32:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is I'm talking about Strait of Hormuz and Panama Canal. Let me stay on that. For me, Panama Canal, Western Hemisphere, where we live, that keeps us safe. That if they want to do the next COVID, they can't. So now we need to make sure that the current president gets along with US. But who the hell is going to be the next president? If all of a sudden Panama's next president is a, you know, a socialist communist, one of these Lula type of guys that takes over, then it changes the game. So long, and it's very possible that something like that could happen because of what's going on in that region. So we have to control that part. But to me, with Strait of Hormuz, if China had a great relationship with Iran, they signed

• 33:34Patrick Bet-David?

  that 25 year, $400 billion contract, whatever the agreement was, that they had the two of them, Rob, if you want to pull that up, the 25 year, $400 billion agreement between the two. If US is now at Carig Island, and you notice what Trump said in the tweet, what did he say? What did he call the Strait?

• 33:50Adam Sosnick?

  Iran.

• 33:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Strait of Iran. So what is he saying in the negotiation? What is he saying in the negotiation?

• 33:55Adam Sosnick?

  Do you think that was intentional? Did he call?

• 33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  One, no, it's Tom, Trump doesn't mess up words.

• 34:01Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 34:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump, Trump, when he says the Gulf of America, he's not fooling around.

• 34:06Adam Sosnick?

  So he went from Strait of Hormuz to Strait of Iran?

• 34:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 34:10Adam Sosnick?

  And you're saying that there's a.

• 34:11Patrick Bet-David?

  No, to me.

• 34:12Adam Sosnick?

  Well, what do you think it is?

• 34:13Patrick Bet-David?

  To me, I think, I think something happened behind closed doors and he told him, he says, you know what I'm even gonna do? I'm even gonna change it as long as we become partners 50 50. Here's how it works. We're gonna have a military base there. We're gonna help with support as well, but you can't affront anymore. And if you even think about having nuclear, but, but I'm gonna give you the name. Because remember my back in the days, the Shah was being interviewed and what did the Shah say? The Shah said, you know, Mike Wallace asked him a question. He said, um, Mike Wallace is the dad, Chris Wallace is the son. Am I saying it correctly? Yeah, Mike Wallace asked him a question. You know, uh, yeah, if you put Shah and then put, uh, Is this the Persian Gulf thing? Persian Gulf and look at the way he answers it. He says, uh, well, try to find a short, uh,

• 34:58Patrick Bet-David?

  It was a conversation with Arabian Gulf or Persian Gulf? Watch this, start it from the beginning, go ahead.

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• 36:03Speaker 11

  I have been across the Gulf, the Gulf that you call Persian and they call Arabian. Why do you call it Gulf? You have been to school, haven't you? Yes. What, what was the name that you have read during your school days? Persian Gulf. All right.

• 36:20Speaker 11

  But they do call it Arabian Gulf.

• 36:21Patrick Bet-David?

  They can call it whatever they want. See, this guy with the G. So what was he saying about the word Gulf? But words matter. Yeah. Words matter. So if Trump, knowing words matter. Look, some of the biggest deals that happened, a bigger company bought a smaller company. And the only reason the smaller company wouldn't allow the bigger company to sell is because of name rights. And the bigger company is like, no, we're going to name it AT&T. We're going to maintain your name, not our name. So a $200 billion company buys a $50 billion company, but allows the $50 billion company to take over the name just to, Yeah. Because that matters a lot, that kind of stuff matters. So for him to say this. The Strait of Iran, I guarantee you this is part of the negotiation that's taking place

• 37:00Patrick Bet-David?

  for vanity reasons to give him something, but I know he got, because he said, "I don't want 90% of what I asked for. I don't want 90%. I want it all. I want to know what all means." Okay, I want to know what he asked for. I want to know what this all means that he asked for in a negotiation. We're gonna hopefully find out here pretty soon. As, uh, as we go with this and, you know, more, more talks come with this. Well, let me get to the next topic here that we got outside of this. Next topic I want to go into, and by the way, they said if there's peace talks, Rob, that he may fly out to Pakistan. Do you have that clip to show it? I think he said if they do, if they do end up getting this thing done and everything is over with, I'm willing to travel to Pakistan myself. And, uh, is that it right

• 37:42Patrick Bet-David?

  there, peace talks between Israel? I don't know which one it is, but there was a clip that he said that he is willing to go out there and, no, it's somewhere there, Rob. It's somewhere there. Okay. All right, let's get to the next story. Next story I want to get to is, um, uh, let's go to the Stop Nick Shirley Act. In the Stop Nick Shirley Act, there's a story that comes out. What page is that on, Rob? The Stop Nick Shirley Act?

• 38:05Speaker 05

  Stop Nick Shirley Act.

• 38:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, 17. Nick Shirley warns, uh, California bill could punish people trying to expose government fraud. Here's Nick Shirley. Go for it.

• 38:17Speaker 12

  What do you think? Is this the Stop Nick Shirley Act in California?

• 38:22Speaker 13

  Yeah, they're making it, they're trying to make it so citizen journalists or just average Americans who are going about seeing what's happening inside their community, they're trying to scare them from talking about potential fraud taking place inside of these communities. And like, I mean, think about it. They're literally willing to impose a $10,000 fine or imprisonment if you go and seek to find out the truth about a location that could potentially, that could potentially be fraudulent inside your own neighborhood.

• 38:50Speaker 12

  Nick, let's just kind of play out that hypothetical. So whether you were in Minnesota, you also went to California. You would go up to the Quality Leering Center, a clearly fake daycare in Minnesota. There's your shirt. Yeah, it's always on. Um, and you would attempt to see if there's any children inside, right? And somebody comes out and talks to you, and now that person who's there possibly committing fraud could file a complaint in California that Nick Shirley is harassing me online, right? That's how it would work in effect? And then you would either see a year in jail or a $10,000 fine?

• 39:26Speaker 13

  Correct, that's what it sounds like. And it sucks because inside these states like Minnesota and California, they've been proven to let fraud take place inside these immigrant communities. You had the Somalians in Minnesota and Armenians in California. And they're trying to protect these people who are committing this fraud. They're stealing millions upon millions of dollars. And I wa- it just makes you wonder who their donors are. Like, who are their donors? Because why would they create this bill to then try and make it harder to expose fraud? How bad is that, Tom? How bad is that, what's going on?

• 39:58Tom Ellsworth?

  It's really bad. And by the way, he just said it. I mean, I brought this up before and I've been asking for it. I want the investigations to go all the way down and do a financial forensic audit and find where the money was donated. And if it is in PAC A, PAC B, PAC C, and those PACs are donating to campaigns, then there's the circle of life for the fraud. You create the fraud, you put some in your pocket, you give a bunch back to a PAC, and it comes back to the representative. But check this out. Do you know who sponsored this? Mia Bonta. Mia Bonta is a California State Assemblywoman. She's the Attorney General's wife!

• 40:41Tom Ellsworth?

  She is the wife of the Attorney General of California. The person that's supposed to be investigating the fraud, his wife is an assemblyman, goes out, Mia Bonta, puts it out, and it's called California AB 2624. And by the way, Vinny, fun with English? This is called the Privacy for Immigration Support Services Providers Act. Oh, really? Privacy for Immigration. Because they feel the proposal needs to establish a program to keep residential addresses confidential against those that might be doxing. Wait a minute. If there's a hospice there, wouldn't you want the address known so people could go to the hospice and get services for a low-income parent or someone that needed hospice?

• 41:26Tom Ellsworth?

  But no, we're going to keep the addresses. This shows you, it's, this shocks me, Pat. It's like right there in plain sight. You can stare into the belly of the beast right here and say, with a straight face, the Privacy for Immigration Support Services Providers Act. With a straight face!

• 41:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Adam.

• 41:46Adam Sosnick?

  Well, listen, it proves one thing, California is not Minnesota. It was like Minnesota is the minor leagues. Now he's in the big leagues right now, going to California. You're talking about a couple billion dollars in Minnesota, whatever the number is. Who knows what the number is in California? So California is not playing games here. By the way, don't we want to encourage our citizens, our journalists, our independent journalists, our free thinkers to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse? Isn't waste, fraud and abuse a bad thing? Okay, great. Let's, let's agree on that. We don't want waste, fraud and abuse. So if you have nothing to hide, cool. Let's open up the books. Let's open up the books. You know, they just had tax day, couple of other days. Did you see how,

• 42:32Adam Sosnick?

  how gleeful people like Zoran Mordani and people like Karen Bass are for tax day? More revenue, more revenue. Where the hell is this revenue going half the time? So there's clearly waste, fraud and abuse at this point in all these cities. And what's wrong with finding that? That's just more money that you can play with in the government. Let's turn this frown upside down. Nick Shirley is trying to help you locate lost money. Let's find the money and reallocate it. By the way, last point, they're saying that they were, they're willing to impose a $10,000 fine or imprisonment. I'm not sure about the imprisonment side of things because he's just asking questions, but here's what I guarantee.

• 43:12Adam Sosnick?

  God forbid there's a $10,000 fine. How quickly do you think people that support Nick Shirley will pay that? I'll sign up. I know we'll sign up. We're going to help this guy do what he's got to do. He's trying to do the right thing and they're trying to block him from doing it.

• 43:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, let me tell you, here's what is going to happen. Somebody sent me a mannequin saying, hey, my business, that was my business that he showed. And we're actually a legitimate business and we're not a bad business. My mother's been running this place for a long time. And I said, okay, great. I said, mannequin them. Nick Shirley's on Manect, Rob, if you want to pull up his Manect. You can Manect him and ask him a question. He'll respond back to you and tell you yes or no, yes or no.

• 43:48Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 43:48Patrick Bet-David?

  And, you know, you're, but, but when you're going out there, you're asking the questions like, well, then, why don't you give some pamphlets? Why don't you be in business? Why don't you? If you're saying your business hours are eight to six, well, then when somebody walks in, act like you're open eight to six, because it looks like you're a fraud. So handling your business accordingly, the way that you're doing it instead of, you know, because, because some people were Manecting, he's saying that it's not all the businesses that he's looking at that are real or wrong, and they're not wrong, but he needs to, uh, uh, we definitely need more guys like that to go out there, ask questions so we can learn about what's going on.

• 44:22Adam Sosnick?

  Of course, I'll just add one more thing. That same person Manected me and I said, yeah, I hear you. It's not like Nick Shirley is the judge, jury and executioner. He's a citizen journalist. You can reach him on Manect. This is the power of Manect. And by the way, if he brings up a story or even accuses you, you can go fight it in court of law and find the truth.

• 44:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 44:43Adam Sosnick?

  Nobody's saying that Nick Shirley is the gospel.

• 44:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 44:46Adam Sosnick?

  They're saying he's asking questions and all of a sudden we can't ask questions.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  No, and the scary thing, bro, like if you think about the guy exposing the fraud becomes a problem and not the fraud itself. That should, and mind you, Adam, why they're all flipping, Adam, they're flipping out because they have to protect the scam. And it's not going to stop, bro. Think about it. He exposed these people so much, he's bouncing around, just, you know, exposing hundreds of millions. Guys, Pat, we talked about this before about his security. This is not a game. Like he's exposing, like he's going into the hundreds of millions of dollars, bro. He is a threat to very, very powerful, sneaky, disgusting human beings that have a target on him. And I'm, I'm not doing that to scare him. I'm just letting him know, I genuinely hope that he's taking this very, very seriously. Because this, he's showing how broken the system is. And he's, like I said,

• 45:33Speaker 03

  all these blue states, he went to Minnesota, now he's in California. They stopped chasing the abuse and they start chasing the exposure. Okay. And what's, like, you know what they're trying to do, right? They're trying to scare watchdogs, citizen journalists, you know, undercover investigators, um, from doing the damage. And this is what bothers me, Pat. This is, and again, I always have hope at the end of the day, but what it seems like, because I want all of them, everybody that was in, in, involved, Tom, like you said with the forensics, get them, put them in jail. Because I'm getting sick and tired of all, we said this last week, launching investigations, writing letters, Tulsi Gapper, the, the, the, What is, what's her title?

• 46:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Director of-

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Director of National Intelligence.

• 46:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Can I?

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Another video came out where she's like Obama, Brennan, all these people, forty-four page letter, they all cheated and they all conspired against the sitting president of the United States. Nobody's gonna go to jail, okay? Covid, look at what they did. They, they lied to us of where it came from. No accountability yet. People are dying from turbo cancer. Kids, young boys are all getting, um, myocarditis. Uh, Eric Swalwell just got in trouble. Look at the, uh, the amount of people, they passed that bill, three hundred and fifty-seven to what, Tom? Sixty-five, they're covering up their crimes. I want to see one person go to jail. I want to see, I want to see them, the perp walk and put them in prison because when it

• 46:55Speaker 03

  was the other way around, FBI raids, people going to jail, indictment, they were so happy with all those freaking headshots. Can we put somebody, where's the accountability? I want to see, cause I know in Minnesota, sixty-five of them went to jail.

• 47:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Good, yay.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  I want people to go to jail and if you don't think Gavin Newsom, Tom, knows about this, hundreds of billion, uh, millions of dollars of fraud, you're lying to yourself.

• 47:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I'll tell you, Sixty Minutes was one of the greatest investigative journalism shows in the history of American television. Mike Wallace, Harry Reasoner, Ed Bradley, Maury Schaefer, we all remember it and there were different reporters at different generations, right? And we all watched it. They used to walk up to businesses and surprise them, remember that?

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Yes, I love that.

• 47:35Tom Ellsworth?

  They used to surprise you, "Excuse me, I'm a Sixty Minutes, I have to talk to you about all the stuff you're putting into the, into the river back there. What, what is coming out of these, these pipes?" And they would go that, and got, by the way, you know how they were celebrated? A hundred, over a hundred and forty Emmys, Pat? A hundred and forty Emmys for, for news, for citizen, for journalism, for uncovering the stuff. But now we go the other way, we go the other way, and now we're gonna, we're gonna, we're going to, uh, charge people a hundred, a hundred, a ten thousand dollar fine for doing it.

• 48:06Adam Sosnick?

  Tom brings up a really, really good point, and I'm wondering if this is something Nick Shirley could do. Nick Shirley needs cover. Right now, it's just, he's a kid, dude, we've hung out with Nick Shirley, he's a kid, and he's doing great work, he's got brains, he's got balls. If there was an organization, whether it's Fox News, whether it's Drudge Report, whether, whoever, Valuetainment, whatever, that says he's, here's his media credentials, just like we did with Sixty Minutes? He's a reporter. He's an investigative journalist. He's a citizen journalist. He's asking questions. What's wrong with that? So 60 Minutes had a cover. There, you know, 60 Minutes is on CBS, I believe, right? David Ellison. Attention, David Ellison. Let's get someone to give this kid a cover, a shield, so he can go use his sword.

• 48:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. All right. So let's get to the next story here. While we're, uh, one of the stories that was going viral yesterday was Erika Kirk pulling out of "Huge Turning Point USA Event," is what the title says, New York Post, "With J.D. Vance After Receiving Serious Threats." Okay, so let me read this story first to you. And Vinny, I'm gonna come to you. You tell us what's going on over here, okay? So, page 18. Here we go. "Turning Point USA CEO Erika Kirk cancels a highly anticipated appearance with J.D. Vance, receiving serious threats. Andrew Covid, a spokesperson with conservative students activist, stepped in for Charlie Kirk's widow at the Athens, Georgia event and informed the crowd why the grieving mother of two couldn't be there

• 49:35Patrick Bet-David?

  to interview the vice president who still attended the event. I'm going to address it right in front of my vice president. I'm onstage here instead of my friend Erika Kirk because unfortunately she received more. Some very serious threats in her direction. It's a terrible reflection on the state of reality and the state of the country. Part-time jobs out of attacking Covid, added arguing that some have made part-time jobs out of attacking Erica. Vance indicated he was aware of the threats against Erica, 37, and was worried to, uh, the University of Georgia event would be canceled, but decided to attend the consulting with Secret Service. Obviously, the guys do a very good job. He said, "Secret Service detail, and I said, you know what? Let's let Erica do what she needs to do for herself and her family. I'm sure Andrew will fill in. And let's go make this

• 50:19Patrick Bet-David?

  an amazing event." The vice president lamented the two separate living hells Kirk has been subjected to since her husband's assassination last September, namely the shocking public murder of her children, father, and intense online criticism. Vinny?

• 50:32Speaker 03

  Well, Pat, it's, it's pulling out by saying that there's very serious threats, and then right after, the Secret Service says, "There was no credible threats. None." So let's not play dumb here.

• 50:44Patrick Bet-David?

  When, when did Secret Service say that?

• 50:46Speaker 03

  Rob, can you show that? I think it was yesterday. If, if I'm, if I'm not mistaken, Pat?

• 50:50Tom Ellsworth?

  It was official, it was official announcement.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, right there. Secret Service determines no credible threat to UGA rally after Erika Kirk's cancellation. Okay, like, and I, like I said, I don't, let's not play dumb. JD Vance was there, and for anybody that's been around, and we all have been, but a lot of people at home, they don't, they don't understand. Who's the bigger target, the VP or Erika Kirk? The Vice President, you know, we know this from experience. When the President came to our other building, guys, they come Secret Service weeks beforehand. They push buttons to make sure there's no freaking bombs. It's insane. They put tarps. This is the number two guy in charge on, in the free world. So when the Vice President shows up, everything's locked down. Top level security. So he's safe.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  How is her life in danger? It doesn't make sense. And mind you, this place, let's, the story doesn't hold up. Now let's look at really what happened. The turnout was weak. If Rob, you could show the video, you don't have to play the audio from the other side. That's, that's the audience. Less than 25% capacity. Allegedly, apparently there was free tickets, so nobody showed up, and that's the bigger problem that nobody wants to admit. Young men aren't even showing up anymore. Not even for the Vice President. And he's a young, you know, he hangs out with, you know, Theo Von, he's on the podcast, they're talking about cocaine. That should tell you everything that you need to know. This is not just a bad night. This is a signal. So let's stop pretending. I want everybody out there who understands,

• 52:13Speaker 03

  God rest his soul, and I love this guy to death, Charlie Kirk, you are not going to replace Charlie Kirk. I don't care. The Charlie Kirk Show, they have the empty chair, and these guys are just talking. You're not going to replace him. And we're seeing it. I don't even care. Ben Shapiro was on a couple of days after. He's like, I'm gonna carry the torch and I'm gonna help. No, you're not. You cannot replace this guy. And I think, Pat, now the time is coming where they're like, Erica's fired, and I get it, she was there for a second. It's just they're losing it. They're losing these young guys because there's nobody that has that fire and that message that Charlie Kirk had. So that's my, that's my take.

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• 53:52Adam Sosnick?

  I feel horrible for the Kirk family. There's not a lot that I'm like, "I'm going 10 toes down on this." But I'm going 10 toes down on this. Here's what I predict. Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. You might have questions of motives and of other people who are involved. At the end of the day, they're going to find Tyler Robinson guilty. And if I'm wrong, I will come back here on the show and say, "My bad."

• 54:18Adam Sosnick?

  Erika Kirk did nothing wrong. She's a loyal and faithful wife. And what she's going through? After the assassination and murder of her husband, what she's had to put through is disgusting, and that's the best word that I could give. Horrible. They have two kids, children, that are never going to spend time with their father. And meanwhile, people are vilifying Erica? You can question whether she's wearing mascara, and you can question her choice of jewelry or glitter, theatrics, or why she's business. You can ask all those questions. But to accuse her of killing her husband, accusing her of being happy that her husband is dead, accusing the Turning Point people

• 55:01Adam Sosnick?

  of being joyful that their leader and founder is gone? To me, is so self-serving and disgusting. I can't even imagine. And I hate to even draw this comparison. God forbid anything happened with PBD. You had a knee injury. All I can think about is, "PBD, how's your knee?" When PBD loses his voice, he'll go, Pat, how you doing? You need some tea? What's going on? Hey, Pat's a pretty crazy frickin' driver. You know I am about driving. How many years did I say you need a driver, bro? How many years did I say you need a driver? Cause I understand he's the golden goose. Charlie was the golden goose of Turning Point USA. To me, it's nonsensical and downright stupid to think that his internal team and his wife would want to see him go.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Hold on.

• 55:44Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. To me, it's so stupid and laughable. And I really encourage people to do better out there and do anything. You might not support them, but don't go out of your way to ridicule, condemn and outright hate them. Cause you don't like Erika Kirk's makeup or how she's acting today. If you had someone that you're married to, a famous person that was assassinated and murdered in front of you, then you can speak. Until then, take a seat.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  But to the point of the story, her saying that there was a credible threat and then Secret Service is saying, no, there wasn't a threat.

• 56:18Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Hold on, no, no, no.

• 56:19Adam Sosnick?

  Tell me this is noise in the signal.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  No, no, no. This is the story.

• 56:22Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  The story is somebody's lying. Either Erika Kirk is lying or the Secret Service is lying. Number one. Number two, if God forbid, this guy died, I'm telling you right now, that would not say PBD podcast. Well, I, there's no way we're doing the PBD podcast without PBD. I'm sorry. That chair's not going to be empty. We're going to sit here and just keep talking. No. I, I, that's my opinion. I don't think that that's right. I think you guys change, call it the TP USA podcast and put Charlie's face in the back like, like a mural.

• 56:54Adam Sosnick?

  Let me ask PBD one question. And maybe you would know. I don't know what the conversations you've had with Charlie behind the scenes. And I've had many conversations with, with Andrew COVID and Charlie. What kind of legacy succession planning? You know, insurance planning, do you think Charlie had? What kind of conversations? He's not a business guy, he's not a financial guy, he's not an insurance guy like you are. No, he became a business guy. But eventually, Pat's been doing this. What do you think Charlie had in place? What kind of planning do you think he said?

• 57:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know. Here's what I would tell you. Historically, if you study living trusts and estate planning. Rob, can you pull up a list of celebrities and billionaires who had no living trust and estate planning? Okay, just, just if you go through a list of names.

• 57:45Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  Billionaires?

• 57:45Adam Sosnick?

  You know all these names.

• 57:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, when I tell you how long the list is. It's unbelievable. There was a poster made in the insurance industry that was going everywhere from Insurance Newsnet back in the days. You know, look at that. Prince, 300 million dollars, no will, yours illegal, that Rita Fankroll, no formal will, not even estate plan, not slats. Not living trust, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley, Amy Winehouse, none. No plan, Kurt Cobain, no proper estate plan. Chadwick Boseman, no will, wife had to go through a probate. Chadwick Boseman. Okay, Bob Sagard, no will, Norm MacDonald, no will, estate handled by industry law. Sonny Bono, no will, James Dean, no will. If, if, look at this, this guy's worth a billion and a half.

• 58:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Howard Hughes, no will.

• 58:32Adam Sosnick?

  Your friend Pablo Picasso.

• 58:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so I don't know. I, I think, I think probably things were in place. But to what extent, I don't know. And I'm not going to speculate there. Here's what I will say, Vinnie. For me. Where I'll go with this is, is, is a couple of different things. I looked at, I'm, I'm asking every source. Was there Secret Service, was there threat, was there not threat? No threat. You know, apparently Vance's team says there was, another Secret Service team says there wasn't. TPUSA says there was. Selective hearing, pick and choose whether you want to say there was and there wasn't. So I, I don't know that part. Well. Does it, let me finish, Adam. Does it help the fact that the audience wasn't good? No.

• 59:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Does this change optics if the place was full, packed with room 8,000 people? It would change the positioning. Is she in a place right now that until she sits down and addresses concerns? Is she constantly gonna be attacked like this for a while? Yes. Who, who really looked bad though? At the Turning Point USA event? Only one person looked bad for me. The Vice President. The Vice President. Because to me, what that made Vice President look is that people are not coming to see you. You are one of the young, what, who is the top three youngest Vice Presidents of all time, Rob? Who are the top three youngest Vice Presidents of all time in the history of America? He's up there. He's up there in the top three. I don't know who, who is gonna be younger than him.

• 59:57Patrick Bet-David?

  It's definitely not gonna be Joe Biden when he was the VP to Obama. Who is the youngest Vice President? I don't know. But something tells me he's probably in the top three. And you mean to tell me, John, okay, Nixon was 40. Uh, Nancy, Nick, Nick, how old is, how old is JD Vance? Can you, can we just ask? I think he's in his, uh, early to mid 40s. Okay. Maybe 46, 40. He's 41. He's 41? So he was a. I'm older than. By the way, he was a VP at 40. Yeah. Just turned 40, okay? So you're talking about one of the youngest, you know, he's the third youngest Vice President in the history of America. And you cannot draw a bigger audience? Okay, to come and wanna hear you? You can't?

• 1:00:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So, one, I, I, if I'm on JD's team, I would be calling TP USA and saying, guys, did you do a better job promoting this? Like, I'm gonna be asking that question. So then let's go to the next one.

• 1:00:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is even the bigger concern. Cause here's what you don't want. In this business that you're in, you're in the audience gathering business. When I would go to the event and, and we talked to the AV team, the guys that we had dinner with at Vegas, if you remember.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  Awesome guys.

• 1:01:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, he, he was, he was there when, first time I went to one of his Turning Point USA events, Charlie wanted to show me the event. So he walked me behind, it was open, he says, look at this, and we're gonna do this. He was so proud because events are so hard. It is so hard and so taxing and someone has to care about hitting the numbers and all that stuff. But to me today, TP USA has a bigger problem. Because the face of TPUSA doesn't draw an audience. There is nothing else that's gonna draw an audience. How many times are we, are people gonna be sitting there saying, they'll go to one event? Like imagine the day, you know, Jobs died, we mourned, boom, people moved on. Reagan died, you mourn, people move on. What's the reality of it when we die?

• 1:01:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you imagine if I die? And I tell all of you guys, hey, every day, I want you to come to the cemetery and mourn the loss of my life. Every day. Don't you think that's a little weird? Of course. Why, why would that be a little bit weird? Because you, because you, you, you know, we have lives, we have things that we have to do. You guys gotta move on. Yeah. You gotta, as important as we think we are, hey, like this, you're here, you're gone. People have things they gotta do, Tom. People have things they gotta handle, people gotta, so, the, you, what is the brand now? Is it every time coming and it's like, wow, amount of pain? People are not gonna come to that over and over again. You're not. This is why people have one funeral.

• 1:02:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And even the Bible says what, when we die, like, uh, dust, you're gone, right? What happens? Dust in the wind. Yeah, so, so to me, you know, a, a, a part of this, just yesterday, I'm talking to, um, Tico, and last night, he's in bed with us, and Jennifer's like, babe, you gotta go to your bed. And I'm like, babe, it's our little boy, let him, he said, babe, this guy's, there's, last thing he is is a little boy laying in there and just. Calling him in. He's calling him in. But he's talking about Charlie last night. Really? Yeah, he's talking about Charlie last night, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a thing in the family. But to me, TPUSA has a problem today to rebrand of where it's going to next. If it's gonna be a CPAC, well then great, rebrand to be in a CPAC

• 1:03:22Patrick Bet-David?

  type of thing where people come up and they speak and they do, and this year, CPAC's event wasn't the craziest event this year.

• 1:05:28Speaker 14

  When the Pope says that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword, there is a thousand-year, more than a thousand-year tradition of just war theory, okay? Now, we can of course have disagreements about whether this or that conflict is just, but I think that it's important, in the same way that it's important for the Vice President of the United States to be careful when I talk about matters of public policy, I think it's very, very important for the Pope to be careful when he talks about matters of theology. And I think that one of these issues here is that there has been, again, hey, random dude screaming, "I told you I'd respond to your point, I just want to respond to this question first." But I think one of the issues here is that if you're going to opine on matters of theology,

• 1:06:13Speaker 14

  you've got to be careful, you've got to make sure it's anchored in the truth, and that's one of the things that I try to do, and it's certainly something I would expect from the clergy, whether they're Catholic or Protestant. Now, to one, the, when-

• 1:06:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so, look, this is my position on this. What do I think the Pope needs to say? Like, you know, and who am I to say what the Pope needs to say? But what would I like to hear from the Pope? You know what I would like to hear from the Pope? No war. That's not a, what do you call it?

• 1:06:43Speaker 14

  Not a universal-

• 1:06:44Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I hope that's what he's saying. You know, I'm not, can you imagine if the Pope is like, "Let's go slay 'em."

• 1:06:51Speaker 14

  Yeah, right.

• 1:06:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't want to hear that from the Pope. I, you know, you know, some of us that are super, like, whenever I'm with my pastor, I know what my pastor's gonna tell me. "Hey, are you spending time with the family?" Can you imagine if the pastor says, "You gotta work harder." "You gotta, you gotta go work 100 hours a week." A pastor's like, "Hey, go spend time." "Hey, go to the, go open up the Bible." "Hey, go to church." That's the job to say that. Okay, so I'm not, I'm not somebody that doesn't understand the position that he's got. And then the criticism, handle it. You know, with what Trump's gotta do. Whenever you choose to become a president, it's not everybody's job. But to me, on the JD side today with what's going on, it's gonna be interesting how he's gonna maneuver going into 2020.

• 1:07:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm actually really curious as a case study. To see how he's gonna handle that part. Cause it's interesting, right? He is with TPUSA, Erika Kirk, audience comes. But then on the other side, he has a group that's on his side that's non-interventionist, isolationist, and then the other side, you know, this is gonna be 2028, Vinny, as a guy that just loves to see competition. I am just so curious in how all these guys gonna be maneuvering.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  Can I ask you one question?

• 1:08:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  What, what is the percentage that you think that JD Vance does not run in 2028 and let this all fall on?

• 1:08:13Patrick Bet-David?

  He has to run. I think he has to run.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  So what's the percentage of him not running?

• 1:08:17Patrick Bet-David?

  He really is that talented, though. He's that talented and formidable. The problem, what he's doing right now is if he's not too careful. See, Charlie was talented extremely. But he, he wasn't like this. Charlie was like, like loose. It's like, hey, JD's a little bit like this.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  Thirty, yeah.

• 1:08:39Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a little bit like two, and, and Trump's not like this. Trump is a little bit like himself, right? So, I, I don't know if this goody-two-shoe type of a, you know, and by the way, great story upbringing that he has with what he had to overcome in the book that he wrote. All of that. It's a phenomenal testimony. But he has to run. There's no way in the world, it's a less than 10% chance he doesn't run for me.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Less than 10%.

• 1:09:01Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah, he's gonna run.

• 1:09:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Less than 10% he doesn't run.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Does not.

• 1:09:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Because there is still so many things to happen, but if I'm JD and his team, I'm gonna be working with the president to have a few big victories. Cause I don't, what's JD's biggest victory so far?

• 1:09:15Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, becoming the vice president.

• 1:09:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Outside of that, what's the biggest victory so far?

• 1:09:19Adam Sosnick?

  Being in this conversation.

• 1:09:21Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but that's not what I'm asking. Honestly, you wanna know what the biggest victory is? The way he handled the debate with Tim Walz. It was so beautiful and classy.

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:29Patrick Bet-David?

  The way, outside of that, what's the, what's the biggest victory? He needs some of it.

• 1:09:33Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:09:33Patrick Bet-David?

  He needs some of it. So I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. Of course, he's gotten more pull because he's ahead of Rubio, still on the Calci polls, but, uh, we'll see. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 1:09:43Adam Sosnick?

  Well.

• 1:09:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Two things. TPUSA is a critically important organization. They helped swing the election. Some people say they did swing the election. Charlie personally gave us all the statistics in Arizona about the number of kids that they registered, that they were registered Republicans, and that the math they show that they delivered the state of Arizona in the election. Wow. How many organizations can say they've done that? And he did it for a couple of places. And he was up there moving kids into the debate realm to really wonder what they're thinking, why they were thinking. So he was permanently teaching kids how to think and how to think about these things. That is the history of TPUSA. And you touched on it, Pat. My concern

• 1:10:29Tom Ellsworth?

  is that the succession is not here, and people are not coming to it. And so what are you going to be, TPUSA? TPUSA has to find its future without Charlie. Are you just going to be a PAC and collect money from the super donors that have been supporting you and give that to campaigns? That's one option, you know? But who's going to be up at the microphone doing it? But it's a critically important organization, touched all these kids' lives in a positive way, and they got to figure out the succession pass forward. That's my opinion.

• 1:10:58Adam Sosnick?

  So I think we're all going to be in for a big disappointment. We've been so lucky over the last 20 years, whether you're Democrat or Republican, to have two of the most consequential nominees, candidates, and presidents we've ever seen. Barack Obama, whether you voted for him, like him, dislike him, was a transformational president. Transformational. One of one. Trump, that and then some. What we're about to see in 2026 and midterms and 2028 is a major letdown. Because if you're judging J.D. Vance, or Rubio, or whatever woke person they come

• 1:11:42Adam Sosnick?

  up on the left, Gavin Newsom, J.B. Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, you pick a name, none of them, none of them, Biden included, are going to have the Obama. Quality, the cachet, the personality, none of that. And ain't nobody in America, unless The Rock smells what he's cooking, all of a sudden turns into a businessman, is gonna be able to duplicate what Trump did. So we're judging J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, all these people in the lens of the goats. You know, you talk about Charlie's one of one, I think he's one of one. Good luck replacing one of one. Good luck, you know, coming after a Trump. I don't see it's gonna happen. So I think, you know, they say this is the most consequential election. 2028, 2020, 2020, it's the most consequential election.

• 1:12:27Adam Sosnick?

  This might be the most important election because we're not gonna have a Trump, maybe. We're not gonna have an Obama, Bidens, people have been there forever. There's gonna be all new cast of characters, but be prepared for a letdown.

• 1:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me, let me show a video of what Tucker said about the podcast. He, this is the video clip that, and by the way, this, my reaction's gonna be a separate reaction, I'm gonna send the room and tell you my thoughts. But here's what Tucker had to say about the podcast. Is this, is he, is he reacting to the Wednesday podcast or the Monday podcast?

• 1:12:55Speaker 15

  Monday podcast.

• 1:12:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so Monday podcast, the, the comments that were made, here's Tucker reacting, saying, Tucker Carlson calls out PBD for attacking Catholics. Go for it.

• 1:13:06Speaker 15

  Here's Patrick Bet David on his podcast a day or two ago. Watch this.

• 1:13:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know why Catholics, you know, have this issue with Jews. I don't know what it is. They have this, this, this, you know, I, I don't, listen, I get the Jews have issues with Christians and they'll make fun and they'll say stuff like, oh, your Jesus is gonna, you know, they'll say, well, he was a Jew anyways, right? But then Catholics have that issue with Jews. And they, they act like, you know, they're all innocent and everything. And when you look at Catholics, the amount of centralized power they have. Centralized. If you, you know what the total Catholic population is worldwide? It's like 1, 2, 1, 3 billion. Jews are 15 million.

• 1:13:52Adam Sosnick?

  15 million.

• 1:13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But Jews are decentralized, meaning Catholic, Jews don't have somebody they listen to that says, "Hey, you better do this." Catholics, God forbid you say something about the Pope. They're like, "Hey, man, listen, who is that Pope figure in the Christian community? We don't have one. If I ask you right now, who's the Pope in the Christian community? You don't have somebody to look at. Who is a witch bastard?

• 1:14:14Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:14:15Patrick Bet-David?

  No, they don't. We don't have one.

• 1:14:16Adam Sosnick?

  It's an independent network.

• 1:14:17Speaker 15

  It's just the Bible.

• 1:14:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you look at, only Catholics and Muslims have somebody that they look at as their supreme leader, like, you know, you gotta go to somebody, but even more, it's Catholic.

• 1:14:29Adam Sosnick?

  Well, there's only two theocracies in the world.

• 1:14:32Speaker 15

  Catholicism?

• 1:14:33Adam Sosnick?

  Islam, I'm sorry, the, the, the Islamic Republic of Iran.

• 1:14:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:14:38Adam Sosnick?

  And the Vatican.

• 1:14:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Adam Sosnick?

  Those are the two major theocracies.

• 1:14:43Speaker 15

  So actually, the Vatican is very much like the Nazi Iranian government, the theocratic government, the mullets, it's all basically the same. They've got the complicated dress, they hate the Jews, as Patrick Bet-David just said. Catholics have a problem with the Jews, a problem with the Jews.

• 1:15:05Speaker 15

  It's slander. Keep going. It's an attack on the world's largest and oldest Christian denomination, and it's taking place openly. What a beautiful divide and conquer way of doing it. And it's all coming from the same source. There we go. Which is Israel. The issue is Israel. Ends with that. Here's Patrick Bet-David.

• 1:15:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there. I will react to this, and this is coming from a guy that... Has been a fan of Tucker for a long time, but I have to set the record straight. And I have an idea I'm gonna be proposing to Tucker. I hope he takes it. I don't know if he will. Uh, when I react to the video sometime right after this in the podcast, and the reason why I'm doing it myself, I don't want Adam to jump in. Well, let me tell you. I don't want any Adam voice. So that's why I'm doing it separately. So Adam wants to jump in and give his opinion on this. I want to give my opinion. If he wants to independently react to it, he can. I'm gonna give my thoughts on this privately, uh, uh, in a video clip that's gonna go out. You'll see it on X. And for those of you guys that are supporters, react. For those of you guys that are not, tear it apart. I expect both of it.

• 1:16:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But I will be reacting to this. I just, I've never, ever, ever in my life, when my parents got a divorce, and there were guys that knew how to poke each family, that were divisive, ask anybody that has done business with me, who's a friend of mine, or an ally of mine, who we've won together, I don't like dividers. And Tucker in this situation, sounds like he's being manipulative and dividing, and I don't like that. Cause America's very important to me, very, very important to me. It's the most important country in the world to me. Uh, I've been here for a long time. I will react to it extensively with a lot of thoughts I have, and we'll address that. But I wanted to show that clip to you because I know some, yeah, yeah, what were you?

• 1:16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  We were in meetings all day yesterday, but I'm gonna react to it. Later on today, the video will go out. Okay. So there you have it. Let's go to the next thing that we have here. I want to show you this one clip that, I saw this yesterday. I'm like, this cannot be real, right? And it's happened to Vinnie more and more often with, you know, kids being adopted by gay couples, and this kid has to sit there and understand this is gonna be the norm. Now, by the way, Vinnie, to a lot of people, they think this is very normal and it's okay. And FYI, just about 30, 40 years ago, this was not okay. This wasn't something that was accepted. It's a new thing that's being more and more accepted. And to me, I'm not comfortable with it. I think it creates too much risk. We don't know for a fact

• 1:17:43Patrick Bet-David?

  what these men are doing. We don't know everything about them. How much can we go investigate to feel comfortable? To allow them to adopt another boy. But here's a clip that went viral. Couple of days ago, i-is that the fellow on the video, Rob? Shane, uh, uh, uh, McAnally? I- Uh, uh- Pardon me, sir? That's his last name. McAnally?

• 1:18:02Speaker 03

  Mc-McAnally? Mc-McAn- anal?

• 1:18:05Patrick Bet-David?

  It actually is McAnally. You're, you're right. Guys. What, what is wrong with you?

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  I mean, if we're gonna be honest, I swear to you, Mc-McAnally.

• 1:18:13Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, guys, I don't know why you're- Guys, let's just call him Shane. Rob is laughing like I did this on purpose. I'm pronouncing what I was- Okay, let's just call him Shane. Go ahead and play it.

• 1:18:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Unbelievable. Play the video. Watch this.

• 1:18:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Mama.

• 1:18:29Speaker 16

  No mama. Do you want dada or pop?

• 1:18:38Speaker 16

  Who do you want? Dada or pop?

• 1:18:45Speaker 16

  Nope.

• 1:18:47Speaker 16

  Do you want dada? You want pop? No way, Jose.

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• 1:19:54Speaker 16

  I think, oh. You, there is no mama.

• 1:19:58Speaker 08

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Bro, goodness, bro.

• 1:20:01Speaker 16

  You have dada?

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  Bro, jeez.

• 1:20:03Speaker 16

  You have pop? Two choices. No mama.

• 1:20:07Speaker 03

  Oh man.

• 1:20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, this breaks my heart.

• 1:20:12Speaker 16

  You know mama, dada or pop?

• 1:20:19Speaker 16

  But who you know? Who do you?

• 1:20:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Vinnie.

• 1:20:24Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know if, I don't know who can watch that and not feel disgusted.

• 1:20:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me just read this, it says, "Two gay men in Nashville are sparking nationwide outrage after recording themselves mocking the baby they had via surrogacy as it cries for its mother." And obviously, we saw the rest. Go ahead, Vinnie.

• 1:20:39Speaker 03

  Okay, Pat, this is a newborn wired by God to want his mom. And instead of comfort, and, and you know, he's getting mocked like it's entertainment. And that, that's the part that pisses me off, okay? Then they go online calling it their kid, and they went online and saying it's homophobic, like, like, like the kid is homophobic, like, that's funny. And then you got people in the comments cheering him on like it's normal, alright? It's not normal. It's twisted and it's disgusting. And I said this before, Pat, I was on, on your side the first time that we did it.

• 1:21:11Patrick Bet-David?

  We were in Vegas when we talked about it.

• 1:21:12Speaker 03

  Exactly. I don't respect the idea of people going out and buying kids like it's a transaction, okay? You, if you're gay and you chose that lifestyle that you cannot create, and now you want to go around acting like you can replace that, like a child, biologically and spiritually wired to need like the mom, you can't. You gave up that right, okay? That's the life you chose. Stay in your lane, alright? And, and that right here proves what I'm talking about. The baby is crying for his freaking mother. And instead of being held and loved and nursed, they're, they're laughing at this kid, okay? And you're filming it and turning it into content? That's evil behavior. I don't care how you want to look at it out there, you want to be like, oh, everybody, it's, no, no, it's evil, alright?

• 1:21:55Speaker 03

  And the baby cried, like, the part that should scare people the most is not even them. It's the thousands and thousands of people clapping for it online, okay? Defending it, acting like this is freaking progress. And that's how you know something is, is broken at the core of this culture. The child didn't ask for any of this, and he's stuck with it. And I think it's, that's the part that everybody out there that heard this, I almost had to take my headphones off hearing that kid cry, that should piss you off. And if you're not pissed off, then I think there's something off with you. Period.

• 1:22:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 1:22:27Adam Sosnick?

  Look, the most important thing here is kids need loving homes. And you know, we had this conversation before. And if you look at the data, the most important thing that kids can have is a nuclear family with a mother and a father, without a doubt. So I think in theory, it sounds good. Meaning, yeah, of course, you know, we got a baby in a home with a family, with the kids, even if they're gay, let them take care of the kid. And I get that, in theory. But when you watch a video like that, and a baby's crying out for their mom,

• 1:23:00Speaker 03

  Oh man.

• 1:23:01Adam Sosnick?

  Whatever side of the equation you are, move the politics, move all the nonsense, and just be like, the baby is calling for her mom, for its mom. And that hits. So there's a difference in theory and practice. In practice, that baby needs a mom. In theory, let's make sure that the babies have a great family and a great upbringing and loving parents, and of course, but that hurts. When you see that, and I don't think the guy was mocking the baby.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  No, you saw online, he called him homophobic. He put a photo of him and said he's homophobic.

• 1:23:37Adam Sosnick?

  Who did?

• 1:23:38Speaker 03

  The guy, Rob, can you fact check, make sure, oh, this guy's post, Adam? He was post, like because the baby was crying, he was jokingly saying he's homophobic. Adam, you're recording that interaction, you're doing it to get people to like laugh and mock this kid, because I think that's absolutely disgusting.

• 1:23:54Adam Sosnick?

  I think mocking is a weird word.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  Six weeks homophobic baby, that's him on the right, right, Rob?

• 1:23:58Adam Sosnick?

  Who wrote that? Who wrote homophobic baby?

• 1:24:02Speaker 03

  Go back, Rob? What does it say? The internet's fuming, laughing at their surrogate. They've also posted videos on their Instagram calling their six-week-old son homophobic to their audience of 140,000 people.

• 1:24:14Adam Sosnick?

  Hold on, are you saying that the two dads?

• 1:24:17Speaker 03

  They've posted videos.

• 1:24:18Adam Sosnick?

  Are posting videos, calling their

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  Of their six-week-old son that

• 1:24:22Adam Sosnick?

  Month-old baby homophobic?

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Yes, because, so you're mocking him, and you're laughing at him. And that is disgusting, and it's evil, bro.

• 1:24:30Adam Sosnick?

  It's a weird situation, man. We've seen, do you remember there was a video of like two dudes in beards?

• 1:24:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, one of them was in trouble. One of them got arrested, that guy? For some sexual stuff with young kids, oh yeah. Tom, where you at with this?

• 1:24:42Adam Sosnick?

  This is a tricky conversation, man. This is not good.

• 1:24:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, you can debate all the lifestyle and all that stuff, and I'm not gonna go there. I'm just gonna go to one place. What is the natural response of that human baby? And it's looking for a mom. And there is a natural order and there is a natural response that is built into us. And it's knitted there by God. And that's and what we want and how we respond to it. How we respond to the strength of a father, to the nurturing and the sweetness of a mother. And it's natural. And that is the part that you cannot debate. You, there is no way to look at that child that knows nothing and just see its natural, normal reaction. And that's it. And I, I have, and I have a problem with these adoptions.

• 1:25:29Tom Ellsworth?

  I have a big problem with these adoptions. And people can say, oh, you're homophobic and everything like that. No, no, no. I'm, I don't, I don't deny anybody's rights, you know, their rights to work and all the things to do that. I don't, you know, that's, that's not where I'm at. But I do not believe it is, it is natural that this adoption and these types of adoptions are natural. This is not the way the kids are reacting and I got a problem with it.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  How do you feel like, cause I saw, but I saw your face. How, how do you process something like that? And this isn't the first, I keep seeing this.

• 1:25:59Tom Ellsworth?

  This isn't, this is, this is not me. I'm not good with this. I'm very uncomfortable with this. I, I looked at the charts of what happened to us with this. We, America as a nation wasn't open to this idea. Rob, I'm going to send you this Gallup poll. We've talked about this before. By the way, 50 years ago, it used to be like in the 10s of percentage of support for this. Look at Gallup, just the last 30 years, Rob, if you want to pull this up. Okay, zoom in a little bit if you could. Most Americans say same-sex couples entitled to adopt. Okay. Clear majority, 63%. Okay. And Gallup's been tracking this for a while. Go a little bit lower. Do you think same-sex? Look at 1992.

• 1:26:41Patrick Bet-David?

  29% said yes. And now it's 63%. Look how it flipped in 03. It's really when the flip happened, 2003. And then gradually kept going up and up and up and up, right? And by the way, if you go and go in the 70s or 80s, you should see where this poll was at. There's been a real effort to want to do this. Now, the argument that's made sometimes, they'll say things like, what's better? A wealthy gay couple taking care of a kid versus adopting a kid versus, you know, them staying in a

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  Foster home.

• 1:27:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Foster home. Which system would you be in? Well, this is not adopting a kid. This is surrogacy, which means I'm paying you to do this. So it's a business. Those are two different stories, right?

• 1:27:27Speaker 03

  You bought a kid.

• 1:27:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You bought a kid, yeah. So, so, but I'm just, I'm not comfortable with it. Nothing about this makes me feel comfortable. It never will. It never will. I think we have to protect our kids and, you know, I'm not comfortable with the story. Nothing about it.

• 1:27:43Speaker 03

  And because you, listen, and God bless you. You chose that life. Do you?

• 1:27:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  You give up, you don't want to have, you're, you're a gay couple. Couples can't have kids. So now you're going to pay for this kid and then ruin that kid's life. That kid's going to be so confused. Mama, where's mama? Dad, dad, wait, what do you mean? What, who are these people in the house? What's going on? What's that noise in there?

• 1:28:03Patrick Bet-David?

  It's all political.

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  I don't like it at all, bro.

• 1:28:04Patrick Bet-David?

  It's all political.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  That really bothers me.

• 1:28:05Patrick Bet-David?

  It's all political because people are uncomfortable to give the opposing argument because God forbid if you do, you're going to be judged and say you're homophobic, you're this, you're that. God really could care less what you think about. You know, if I have certain values that I follow, I follow those values. You don't like those values? Totally get it. You're to each his own, but these are my values. And my values are built on conservative values, being a Christian kid, atheist for 25 years, and then seeing how rough life was. And, you know, the story comes out here and I'm going to read the story. More young men say religion is very important to them. New York Times is writing this story, April 16th. What do you mean more young men? Yeah, more young men. Rob, play that clip. Watch this.

• 1:28:50Speaker 17

  Ages 18 to 29 are embracing faith. 42% say religion is very important in their lives. That is a 14% increase from just the previous year. And I saw it firsthand while visiting St. Joe's Church here in New York City.

• 1:29:06Speaker 18

  Time with God is so crucial, especially if you want to build a better life for yourself and really gain that fulfillment you can't seek anywhere else on this earth.

• 1:29:15Speaker 17

  The church was packed for mass with young people putting their faith in God first. And those are your headlines, guys. This is good. It is nothing but positive.

• 1:29:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie.

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  Besides the other story that I want to do, Pat, the hero story, this is the best headline I've seen in a while. That is such an inspiring thing that these young men, young, I think it's just everybody in general, they're realizing, and I think a big part of it, remember how they always used to say that technology was going to ruin everything and the world was going to end? And I get that part with the internet, but people are being able to dig and find out. And I think the more you dig and the more you do research and the more you talk to people, theologians, and you go back to the Bible and everything adds up. And that book is such an amazing book, Pat, because now you could find out because there's proof of every single thing from the Old Testament that led up to the New Testament and Jesus Christ being here.

• 1:30:06Speaker 03

  At the end of the day, put all the noise, all the false prophets, all that aside, Jesus Christ was here and they predicted him coming here. I believe it was Isaiah, chapter 53, Tom, where Isaiah, hundreds of years, almost a thousand years before Christ was even thought of to the people. He said he was going to come here, he was going to die for our transgression, he was going to be pierced and he was going to die. They predicted Jesus Christ coming. And there's so many other points, so it's undeniable. The eyewitness accounts, people saying he was in the tomb, he was dead, I saw him die. And three days later, he came out and there was 500 eyewitnesses. And then with Thomas, Thomas showing up and the tomb is open and he's like, where's you?

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  He goes, I'm not going to believe that it's Jesus came out unless I see the wounds. And Jesus didn't talk to anybody, showed up and saw Thomas and goes, hey, Thomas, put your hands, go ahead, put your hands in my wounds. So that goes to prove how big the wound was. Put your hands in my wounds. And he said, listen, you needed this to believe. Blessed are those who haven't seen this and will never see this and still believe. And he's talking to you. He's talking to us. And how beautiful of a moment, Pat. This is amazing because at the end of the day, guys, I don't disrespect everybody's religion. Just how we don't disrespect the LGBT, whatever you want to do, do your gay stuff. Do whatever you want to do. When it comes to this, I'm just telling you guys from experience. I'm not trying to play this whole, I know everything. When it comes to Christ, he said,

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and nobody comes to the Father except through me." That's not just a throwaway comment. So I implore people, do your research, wherever you're at in spirituality. I'm telling you, the moment you come to Christ, every single thing in my life has turned to positive. Everything. I still sin all the time, but every morning I get on my hands and knees and I say, "Thank you. Thank you for this life. Help me, fill me with the Holy Spirit." And I'm such a thousand times better person because of him. Period, Tom. End of story. Adam.

• 1:32:04Adam Sosnick?

  Listen, there's a lot to be said here. Here's what I'm, you see this graph right here? Here's what I'm seeing from this. Number one, religion is declining overall. Is this just in America, by the way? Or is this, I assume this is America. Religion is declining. Less people are going to church, less people are going to temple. More mosques are being built.

• 1:32:27Adam Sosnick?

  Less people are identifying with their Christian faith. Okay? Young people care the least out of everybody. The boomers, "Oh, they're a boomer." At least they believe in God. And you know who cares the least out of anybody? Young women. Why are young women abandoning God? Why are young men going closer to God? What's going on there? Could it be feminism? Could it be they care more about work rather than starting a family? I think there's a lot of different metrics here. But I think, here's what I know. As long as you're not too fanatical and too...

• 1:33:07Adam Sosnick?

  Radical, having God in faith in your life is a very, very good thing. I encourage Christians to go to church just like Vinnie's been doing. What I've seen firsthand, how this man become, I would tell all people, go to church. I went to a baptism yesterday, Greek Orthodox, remember I text you? I said, what do you do at a baptism? What do I wear? He goes, wear a huge cross.

• 1:33:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I said, buy the kid a cross.

• 1:33:33Adam Sosnick?

  But I think finding God, you know, I starting to to fill it, which is a Jewish prayer in the morning, where you give thanks to God. You know, we're praying to the same God. I don't know if you know that?

• 1:33:43Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:33:44Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know if you know that?

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  But you can't get to, the only way to the Father, Adam, is through Jesus Christ.

• 1:33:48Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:33:49Speaker 03

  And I'm not, by the way, I'm just saying.

• 1:33:51Adam Sosnick?

  I went to a baptism.

• 1:33:52Speaker 03

  By the way, because you're just saying it's just church. I don't think it's just church. And, and the hardest part, Adam, when I'm home, when you're home by yourself, I'm pretty sure, I know, I know for a fact you do it. I know you do it. Um, in Psalms 46 10, he said, God says, be still and know that I am God. If you could find five minutes, Adam, and just go in, in a room by yourself, and by the way, my brain is going a thousand. Be still, that's the hardest coming from somebody like me, and just know he is Lord. And it's a conversation and it's talking to him. It's a relationship. And I'm telling you right now, bro, once that hits and you hear it and you feel it, it's a rap. But you cannot get to him without the Son.

• 1:34:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom. What, what's happening here is at times of desolation, the natural inclination of people is to turn to something. And right now, um, men in the West, and I say basically Europe, the United States, that, that West, there's more West than that in Western civilization. But that, a lot of men are turning to that because they feel desperation. They feel desperation in relationships. They feel desperation economically. And the younger generation is turning to God. And I believe the Holy Spirit is moving and I believe it's a spiritual movement. Being at church is a good thing. Being around other people is a good thing. But you don't, as the missionaries in China will show you, as the missionaries in Sub-Saharan Africa will tell you,

• 1:35:08Tom Ellsworth?

  you don't need a church building to build your faith in Jesus Christ and to build the community of believers around you. As a matter of fact, in times of when you face persecution or difficulty, you usually build stronger faith. The people with the strongest faith have been going through the lot. What's very interesting to me is, you know, and I know this, the century of shift it was called. There was a name for it. It was something like that, century of shift. But like in 1900, 80% of the Christians in the world were in North America and Europe. Now, 70% of the world, of the Christians in the world are everywhere else. Basically, Africa, Asia, you know, and South America. Isn't that interesting?

• 1:35:52Tom Ellsworth?

  It's like this huge shift. I think, and so what is happening is that young men, and you're finding little islands in the stream where people are out there evangelizing and they're coming together with other groups of men and they're being, saying, hey, this is what I found. This is what's here. This is the good news of Jesus. Find it. Find it yourself. And people are finding it. And I think it's tremendous. The fastest growing faith in the world is Islam. The third is Christianity. And you know what the second is? It's tragic. Atheism. That's right. Unaffiliated. Especially in the West. And it makes me sad.

• 1:36:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Self-reliance and, you know, social breakdown is exactly what Revelation promises. And so, Pat, that's the way I feel about it. I feel glimmers of hope when I see this, but it also makes me sad, but it also makes me encouraged because my Bible tells me that this is the way of the world and we're seeing it right now.

• 1:36:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep. Our kids are gonna have to face this reality and they're gonna have to choose to lead and, you know, go through the process themselves, but it's great news when you hear stuff like this happening, that they're turning to it. Here's a story that just came out, Bombshell Expose, okay? If you want to go back to it, 20 CIA. And FBI agents confirmed that Barack Obama and a former CIA director fabricated the Russia hoax, which was then locked away in a CIA vault for almost a decade to brainwash voters and discredit Trump's election by manipulating intelligence. Go ahead and play the clip, Rob.

• 1:37:30Speaker 19

  Fox News alert, the Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, releasing a bombshell report today that shows a conspiracy by a sitting President Barack Obama and his intel agencies to sabotage the President-elect Donald Trump, brainwash the electorate, and undermine the legitimacy of an election.

• 1:37:48Speaker 20

  There is irrefutable evidence that detail how President Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false. They knew it would promote this contrived narrative that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help President Trump win, selling it to the American people as though it were true. It wasn't.

• 1:38:13Speaker 19

  Gabbard got her hands on a House intel report that's been locked away in a CIA vault for almost a decade. Investigators spent over 2,000 hours looking into how the Russia hoax was born, interviewing 20 CIA and FBI officials. And it turns out that the Obama administration doctored the intelligence to make it look like Putin and Trump stole the election. A month after Trump beat Hillary, Barack Obama wasn't satisfied with his intelligence reporting and ordered his CIA director to create a new assessment of how Russia interfered with the election. This was a highly unusual move.

• 1:38:55Speaker 19

  John Brennan handpicked five CIA analysts to write the assessment, and they were siloed. None of them knew what the other was doing. And only one analyst was in charge of drafting this report. There was nothing routine about this, and it was a rush job to publish before Trump...

• 1:39:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:39:16Speaker 03

  How is this not, and I understand the president is busy, I get it. And God bless Tulsi Gabbard for doing her job. But I am, I am at my wits end and I know a lot of people out there that are listening to this. They understand. How much more do we need to know for a fact? She said the word. The ex-president conspired. That's a huge, huge label to put. Him and the NSA, John Brennan, Comey, FBI, everybody conspired to try to unsee a duly elected president that we, the people, fairly put into office. Okay, and then they lock it in a safe. It's unbelievable.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  And if you just go back, Hillary and the DNC got in trouble for the dossier. You would think, okay, whoever was in charge, Pat, put them in jail. And Hillary, you were behind the dossier? Put her, lock her up, like they always used to say. Guess what the fines were, Tom, if you had to guess? Guess what the DNC got a fine? What was their punishment?

• 1:40:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, fourteen dollars for double parking. Fourteen dollars, he says.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  A hundred and five thousand dollars to DNC. And guess what Hillary got? Eight thousand dollar fine and that's it and we move on. I want everybody that went through that four years of just nonsense, CNN, MSNBC, every single body pushed. The relationships lost, the fighting, the family, dude, I lost friends because they were like, you're stupid, Russia, Russia, Russia. We can't put anybody in, like, okay, so now that you know this, what is gonna happen, Tom? What is actually going to happen? Because people like me that voted for accountability, that voted for all this stuff, that voted for everything that we thought was gonna happen, none of it is coming to pass. We're a year and a couple of months in. Do you think anything is going to happen? Because you're gonna lose me, Tom. You're gonna lose me.

• 1:41:04Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I don't think anything's gonna happen, but now we've heard the truth. America's heard the truth. Uh, that's part one. Part two, is something really gonna happen? That's a whole different problem we have. Uh, I, what shocks me here is that, it doesn't really shock me. I thought Obama was complicit. I thought he was aware. That's what I'd be, that was my conclusion as a citizen, listening to all this stuff over all these years.

• 1:41:26Speaker 03

  Initially, you're saying?

• 1:41:27Tom Ellsworth?

  That was where it was. Now to hear that he actually gets together with a CIA guy, actually gets together and puts five guys on the job, that... That just kind of floors me. I'm like, wow. Because I would have thought normally, like you look at all the big scandals in history. What is the key to a scandal, Pat? Underlings. To somehow push yourself. Well, I was not fully aware of that. I had so many people on my team. These two people were in my, my office in Denver. I didn't know that was happening. You know, people distance themselves. But to hear that Obama was actually aligned like this? If the allegation brought by Tulsi Gabbard is true? This, this kind of, I'm kind of, I'm not shocked. But I'm really surprised because I would have thought that he would have kept himself

• 1:42:12Tom Ellsworth?

  distanced in such a way, plausible deniability, all those things going on. But I believe that this thing was a crock and it was made up for years and years now. But now to hear this, this is shocking, Pat.

• 1:42:25Speaker 03

  And Tom, what's to stop them from doing it again, Pat? What is to stop the system? Because I know we talk about the deep state. As much as you think Trump or whoever's going to be in, there are so many people embedded in our government that hate Trump, that'll hate the left or hate the right or whatever, because it could go both ways. Who's to stop them, Pat, if this doesn't get, if they don't get held accountable? Like you have to, people have to be put in jail. Or else what's to stop? Because I'll keep going and I'll keep going, Pat, and I'll keep doing it. What do you think?

• 1:42:54Adam Sosnick?

  Oh man, you're going to get me started on this story. So I'll be super quick because I can go forever on this.

• 1:42:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't go forever, but just give your super quick.

• 1:43:01Adam Sosnick?

  That's why I said I was going to go quick.

• 1:43:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 1:43:04Adam Sosnick?

  You're here to hit me with a what's your point? I haven't even gone yet. This is a monumental story.

• 1:43:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I can interrupt you in just a second.

• 1:43:10Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, I know you can, buddy. This is a monumental story, but it's not going to go anywhere. So.

• 1:43:16Speaker 03

  Does that piss you off?

• 1:43:18Adam Sosnick?

  It pisses me off, but I also, what I want to do is recommend to the people out there what they should do. Because I fell for this thing. We all know this. And I'm kind of.

• 1:43:29Speaker 03

  No, he's good.

• 1:43:29Adam Sosnick?

  He's behind me now.

• 1:43:30Speaker 03

  Pat shopping, let him go.

• 1:43:31Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, got you. I fell for this. I fell for the Russia, Russia, Russia. I was watching Morning Joe. I was watching Rachel Maddow. I was watching all these shows. Fox News, you can't trust them. Of course they're going to defend Trump. You don't know what to think, right? I voted for Obama. If you voted for Obama, it was kind of hard to vote for Trump. So you're thinking, okay. Now you're rooting for your team. I'm on Team America now. And what a lot of people have to to recognize now is that there's the truth. And there's going to be misinformation and disinformation by the media. Whether it's Iran now, whether it's Israel now, whether it's China now, whether it's the midterms now. There's going to be so much news and so much stuff that's going to come across your feed and your algorithm.

• 1:44:15Adam Sosnick?

  And you out there have to do such a good job and say, no, no, no. You're not going to control my brain. I'm going to hear what you're saying. And I'm going to filter it out. And I'm going to do my own research. And that's hard to do. Most people won't. But can we all agree at this point? That Russia, Russia, Russia was made up. Can we all agree that if you took your 15th COVID jab? That's probably not going to work out well for you. And the media and certain voices push nonsense to help themselves. But it doesn't help you.

• 1:44:48Tom Ellsworth?

  But Adam, if Adam, how long have you?

• 1:44:50Adam Sosnick?

  Smarter, think clearer.

• 1:44:51Tom Ellsworth?

  How long have you turned the page? All Americans turn the page differently. When did you turn the page on Russia and say, my gosh, this is baloney? What was the moment?

• 1:44:57Adam Sosnick?

  Well.

• 1:44:58Tom Ellsworth?

  What was the moment that you're like, wait a minute?

• 1:45:00Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, so I'll answer that. But what I'll tell you is this.

• 1:45:02Tom Ellsworth?

  It's not a gotcha.

• 1:45:02Adam Sosnick?

  There's so, no, no, it's fine. There's still so many people in my life who think Trump is the devil. Who think he's the worst person ever. Who hate his personality. They hate everything about him. I'd be willing to say there's the Democrats. They hate Trump more than they love America.

• 1:45:20Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree to that.

• 1:45:20Adam Sosnick?

  I love America more than I hate anybody. So for me, the Russia, Russia, Russia thing, it all comes down to being stoic, using logic and processing information. So for me, it's been obviously a handful of years since I've even thought about this nonsense.

• 1:45:37Tom Ellsworth?

  And then what is today?

• 1:45:38Adam Sosnick?

  The bigger thing is there's still so many people caught up in it. That's what I'm focused on.

• 1:45:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, there's a lot of TDS, but I also want to know what you think because I give you the honest feeling about what I think. For years, I thought it was a crock. And now this kind of surprises me, Obama. How do you react to Obama when you see this now?

• 1:45:53Adam Sosnick?

  Well, if you're asking

• 1:45:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Apparently credibly delivered by Tulsi.

• 1:45:55Adam Sosnick?

  What do I think is going to happen to Obama?

• 1:45:56Tom Ellsworth?

  No, that was going to happen. Does it change any of your convictions or feelings?

• 1:46:01Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know if it was Obama that orchestrated this. I'm sure he was a part of it, but if to me, it's the media and the lies and the dissemination that they're gonna run with it anyway.

• 1:46:11Speaker 03

  But hold on.

• 1:46:11Adam Sosnick?

  So yes, I'm not on the Obama train whatsoever.

• 1:46:14Speaker 03

  No, the hell with the train. What he's saying is, but she's saying, the director of national intelligence, by the way, this isn't, by the way, she's not going up there because if she says stuff like that, she could get the, the government will get sued. She's saying the ex-president that was on the way out literally conspired with a bunch of people to get him out so that Hillary, so think, wrap that on your brain. Adam, these are the same people, the same type of groups that literally said, oh, this virus came out of a lab, hold on, that we own, and then they rushed everything and gave it to us. And guess what Biden did? He signed that pardons that said, nobody's gonna be held accountable. That is unbelievable to me. That's not America, bro. Because if that was the other way around, what would, what would have happened if Trump did that? If Trump started

• 1:46:56Speaker 03

  to fake Russia collusion, duh, to get Kamala out, if Kamala won, or Hillary, can you imagine? And they found this, this information, they're all locked up for the rest of their life. They tried putting Trump in jail for the rest of his life for the fake money, whatever, Mar-a-Lago's worth 50.

• 1:47:12Tom Ellsworth?

  The value of Mar-a-Lago.

• 1:47:13Speaker 03

  The value.

• 1:47:14Tom Ellsworth?

  A tax violation.

• 1:47:15Adam Sosnick?

  The lies are incredible.

• 1:47:16Speaker 03

  Think about that if it was the other way around. So it pisses me off that nobody goes in, that nobody gets in trouble, Adam. Zero. No jail, just launch investigation, write a letter, look at this new report. She's standing at the podium talking. Put somebody in jail already.

• 1:47:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, this isn't Rachel Maddow or Laura Ingraham from, from the left and right talking about it. This is director of national intelligence coming out with, no.

• 1:47:37Speaker 03

  This is DNI coming out.

• 1:47:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. So let me answer your question quickly, and I know Pat wants to move on. To me, remember, we had the conversation with, uh, what's our buddy with the hair, Viva?

• 1:47:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:47Adam Sosnick?

  He's like, I don't trust anybody. I'm like, you don't trust anybody? He's like, well, maybe my wife. There's people I trust a little. There's people I don't trust at all. There's people that have a high amount of trust. And there's people that I trust the most. But no one has 100%. To me, Tulsi has a high amount of credibility. I trust it, what she's saying, but I don't take it as gospel. I'm saying, I hear you. Let's look into this. Just because she said it, I'm not like, well, she said it, I'm gonna stop thinking.

• 1:48:15Speaker 03

  No, they have the documentation that they hid, and we know it's all fake. Put somebody in jail. Go to, put them in-

• 1:48:21Adam Sosnick?

  Vinnie, I love you. We don't, we don't just throw someone in jail. They have to be-

• 1:48:25Speaker 03

  Of course, I get that part, but guess what? If you, if, Adam, if I have proof that you stole this, hold on.

• 1:48:30Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know if you do know that, because you just say throw people in jail.

• 1:48:33Speaker 03

  No, because, okay, you know what I'm trying to get at? Adam, if I know that you stole this, hold on, I know that you stole this. Pat, all these guys that work for me, they all have proof, undeniable proof, that you stole this phone and you're on camera and all, and you locked all the evidence in a safe. Yeah, go to trial. You need to go to jail. Yeah, go to trial and then go to jail.

• 1:48:52Adam Sosnick?

  You go to trial.

• 1:48:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. This isn't a phone though. This is, Adam, this is subverting democracy. No, I'm not a fan of it at all.

• 1:48:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you, when, um, the day comes when the Dems take over, uh, White House, you're, you're gonna see a list of people getting arrested.

• 1:49:10Speaker 03

  Yup. Day one.

• 1:49:12Patrick Bet-David?

  A list of people getting arrested. They did it to a president, and that's never happened before. And no matter how much people criticize Trump, if Trump really wanted to make Clintons, Obamas, Hillarys, their life a living hell, he could do it and he doesn't do it. Isn't that kind of interesting when you think about it?

• 1:49:33Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 1:49:33Patrick Bet-David?

  The guy's got the power to make their life a living hell, and nobody would say anything. Nobody would question him. You know why they wouldn't question him? Guy's got a mugshot. He became a president after having a mugshot.

• 1:49:45Adam Sosnick?

  Gangster.

• 1:49:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And they went into his house at Mar-a-Lago, went through his wife's drawers with her panties there. And you, you want, this guy doesn't have all the right and moral authority to go retaliate, and he doesn't? I don't know, man.

• 1:50:01Speaker 03

  I'm with you.

• 1:50:02Patrick Bet-David?

  There, there's a, hey, whoever's watching this, whether you voted for this guy or not, whether you like him or not, somebody went through your wife's drawers with their panties in there. What do you want to do to that guy? Go ahead.

• 1:50:15Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you want to do to, how would you retaliate if you had all the power all of a sudden? They humiliate you in front of your wife, your kids, every, they try to take all your money away from you, your grandkids, everybody. How, and then imagine you all of a sudden are the most powerful man in the world. How would you retaliate? Go ahead. Go ahead to all the noble people out there. How would you retaliate? Great point. Would you not go out there and then people forget because he doesn't bring it up? Well, you know, how come he doesn't want to investigate who tried to, uh, uh, kill him? Why doesn't he want to go deeper into that? Why doesn't he want to investigate this? These are all questions that I ask, but you know what's like the weird thing?

• 1:50:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Is maybe to him, like he knows he can destroy your life, but he doesn't want to do it. Maybe it's that. I don't know. You gotta ask the question. Because when these types of stories are coming out and this guy doesn't want to do anything? It, it's the weirdest person in the world to give a little bit of a sprinkle of nobility to. Most men wouldn't be able to do it. And I know a lot of good Christian men who are very value and strong people that if, if somebody like that did something to Kim.

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• 1:52:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what Tom would do.

• 1:52:33Speaker 03

  I have a night.

• 1:52:33Patrick Bet-David?

  But I know Tom's bone on the inside, the vengeance, I know what Tom could do. Here's a guy that's known as the guy that you were afraid of having access to the button. And he doesn't want to retaliate to these guys? He doesn't want to get, you know if he really wanted to, he can get Obama to get a mugshot?

• 1:52:51Speaker 03

  Yes, he could.

• 1:52:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He could do it.

• 1:52:53Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 1:52:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but here's the question is, what, why doesn't he do it? He has all the right to do it. Ask the question, why doesn't he do it? Maybe he loves America. Maybe he doesn't want to see it crumble. Maybe he wants the world to see, maybe, I don't know, or maybe, he's busy. Or maybe, he's afraid. What's he afraid of? They publicly humiliated you.

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  His whole family.

• 1:53:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Your family, your kids. You have all the right, especially for people that say, well, the guy didn't put his hand on the Bible. What does he say? He says, I don't know if I'm gonna go to heaven. Right? Guess what? He can retaliate and seek vengeance. And if he's not a man of faith, you don't have anything to worry about. It's not like you're living by a principle. Go to that argument if you want to go that extreme. I don't know. I don't know, because if you became the president and they did this to you and your wife, what's the first thing you're doing to get into the White House?

• 1:53:55Speaker 03

  First thing I'm saying is, I want all investigation, investigation, get every, go and find, by the way, I want proof. Show me the proof that they actually did it.

• 1:54:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Now he has it, now what?

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  Pat, I'm indicting everybody and I'm rushing everything. I'm not doing a wait six months down the road. I'm putting everybody in court and I'm doing it ASAP. You could rush it to the system.

• 1:54:16Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason, this is what, here's the part though. Okay, so let's role play. And I don't know how to run this poll, but I'd love to see what the smartest audience in the world is PBD Podcast. You know why? Because you guys are, you'll agree with us, disagree with us, all this stuff, but you're the best audience in the world. I'm telling you guys right now, if you're watching this, go like this to yourself.

• 1:54:35Speaker 03

  Pat yourself on the back.

• 1:54:36Patrick Bet-David?

  There's something special about you. And a certain dude do this to himself. But, but, but this is, this is the question. This is the question.

• 1:54:47Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the likelihood when Trump is out of office? He's gonna give all, he's gonna give everybody a pardon. He had, because he learned. You know, he said it a couple of days ago. He has to, because they tell, what did they do after first term? Coming after you. He, he, he's gonna do it, right? What's the likelihood they're gonna try to dismantle, destroy everybody in that family to never be able to run again? What's the chances? Very, very high. Okay. Oh my goodness. So, if he, you think he knows that? Yes. Okay. Of course. If he knows that, why is he seeking vengeance?

• 1:55:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you think he is, is, is? Why isn't he seeking vengeance? I mean, that's the, that's the question that I'm trying to figure out. Why isn't he seeking vengeance? So they don't come after them hard? No, I, I think he already knows they will, like he didn't, you know. There's no, there, there will be no talking them out of it. Rob, how many pardons did he have the first term? I thought the number was like 250, I don't know what the, I could be fully way off the number. What was the pardons on turn, first term? How many people did Trump pardon? Yeah, exactly, pardons first term.

• 1:55:51Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the number? I don't remember it being a big number. 140, oh, 238, there you go, I was about right. We're close. Yeah. So 238. How many did Biden pardon?

• 1:55:59Speaker 03

  1,000, was it 1,040?

• 1:56:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Way bigger number. I thought it was 2200, like there's two numbers to it. Cause, cause apparently the big. Part of his whole family too. Yeah. The entire state of Delaware, there was. There you go, look at that, 4,245. Wow. Communications pardons. Versus, what was Trump's go up? Trump's was what? So it's 2% of what he did? I mean, do you realize? 2%. But you know what Trump's gonna do? If this is the model, I have to pardon everybody. He's, yeah, I agree. Heck, manek the president and say, Mr. President, can you pardon me? I'm Vincent O'Shaughnessy, they may not like my jokes in 10 years. They're coming after me. President Trump's on my neck now. But to your question is why? You can't pay officials, officials got off. To your question, why isn't he? I don't know. To me, to me, the question is a deeper question to, to ask why he's not.

• 1:56:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, the only reason I would see it is, is this, this back and forth is not good for America. It's just not. It's not, it's okay, debate the issues, call it out, do all that stuff, but to label him as a, to, to, to put a mugshot and you're a criminal and all this other stuff, I,

• 1:57:04Adam Sosnick?

  Well, this time around, you're saying why he's not as vindictive?

• 1:57:07Patrick Bet-David?

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• 1:58:16Speaker 08

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