Hidden From the President: A Naval Officer on UAPs in Our Oceans & How the CIA Trained Psychic Spies | Admiral Tim Gallaudet

What if the truth about UAPs is far stranger and far more unsettling than we've been told? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, PhD, US Navy (Ret.) - former oceanographer, retired Rear Admiral, and author of Holding Fast in Heavy Seas - reveals why he believes some of the biggest secrets surrounding UAPs (UFOs) may be hidden beneath Earth's oceans. After serving 32 years in the U. S. Navy, Gallaudet personally witnessed now-declassified UAP evidence and became one of the first people to view the now-famous "Go Fast" Navy video while it was still classified. He explains why he immediately knew the technology wasn't American or from any known adversary, and why the government kept the footage hidden for years. We dive deep into reports of mysterious craft operating both above and below the ocean, the seemingly impossible physics required for these objects to transition seamlessly between air and water, and why he believes our oceans may hold critical clues to understanding the true origins of nonhuman intelligence. We also discuss why eyewitness testimony remains one of the most important forms of evidence, how he personally gathers reports from fellow servicemen and submits them to official government agencies, and why official confirmation always seems to be delayed with calls for "more data." Adm. Gallaudet also helps us tackle some of the most controversial questions surrounding disclosure: - Could quantum mechanics help explain UAPs? - Do UAPs actually change form depending on the observer? - Why do encounters with nonhuman intelligence profoundly transform the people who witness them? - Is the unsettling possibility that humanity is not in control the real reason disclosure has moved so slowly? We explore the intersection of UAPs with the paranormal, including government-funded remote viewing and ESP research, what those programs may imply about consciousness and psi phenomena, why childhood paranormal experiences may make some people more receptive to later mystical encounters, and whether proving UAPs could fundamentally reshape our understanding of reality itself. Adm. Gallaudet also breaks down: - Which presidential administrations may or may not have had access to information about nonhuman intelligence (Did President Nixon showed comedian Jackie Gleason an alleged alien body?) - Whether mysterious cattle mutilations could represent nonhuman intelligence monitoring humanity's food supply - Why he believes intelligent life almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe - Why the public deserves transparency about discoveries that could fundamentally change our understanding of reality, and why no government should gatekeep truths of that magnitude If you've ever wondered whether the biggest mystery isn't in space but beneath our oceans, this is a conversation you won't want to miss! They can't harm you, if they can't find you! Use code MAYIM at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/mayimText BREAKDOWN to 64000 to get 20% off all IQBAR products, plus FREE shipping. Message and data rates may apply. Go to https://www.helixsleep.com/breakdown for 20% off sitewide. Get the Discounted Early Bird registration to the IANDS Annual conference before the sale ends July 15. Visithttps://conference.iands.org/https://conference.iands.orgGo to https://tidd.ly/4uVltMe and use the code MAYIM50 to get $50 off your Elastique order. Make your summer wardrobe feel easier. Go to https://www.quince.com/breakdown for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Adm. Tim Gallaudet's book, Holding Fast in Heavy Seas: https://www.amazon.com/Holding-Fast-Heavy-Seas-Leadership/dp/B0GW9HKK74 Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Mayim Bialik?

  I would like to know how we went from this is something we can't explain to non-human intelligence.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  These objects are hovering over the surface of the ocean and exhibiting transmedium travel.

• 0:12Mayim Bialik?

  UAPs may be underwater.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  One of the most compelling pieces of data is the video from the USS Omaha off Southern California in 2019 of flight control surfaces or exhaust or meter propulsion. The mainstream science community, they don't want to touch the topic of UAP with a 10-foot pole, but we're seeing UAP everywhere in our domains. The true nature of the phenomenon might be really terrifying because we're not in control.

• 0:38Mayim Bialik?

  Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet served for 32 years in the US Navy and was one of the first to receive sailor and pilot reports of UAPs. He reveals how some of the greatest secrets in the universe and our oceans are being kept from even the President of the United States.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Stargate, this was a sanctioned government program to basically leverage ESP or telepathy to conduct American intelligence and it succeeded beyond statistical expectations. Science is just afraid to acknowledge the fact that we might not be alone in the universe. I saw the UAP videos that were classified for a time as a one-star admiral and non-human intelligence that we believe are controlling these objects. They're not just showing up on the White House lawn. They want to stay elusive. The best place for them to do it is...

• 1:33Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Miam Bialik.

• 1:35Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:36Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our breakdown. What if the biggest secret in human history is not to be found in the sky, but is hidden beneath the ocean's surface?

• 1:46Jonathan Cohen?

  There's a growing mystery and Navy ships continue to report objects above and below the ocean's surface.

• 1:55Mayim Bialik?

  We're speaking today to Admiral Timothy Gallaudet, one of the first to see the go-fast video footage showing UAPs hovering over the ocean, which mysteriously were removed from his computer the day after he received them. He's going to be... Be talking about how some of the greatest secrets in the universe may be being kept from the President of the United States. Tim is going to explain how the footage that he has been allowed to see firsthand cannot be explained away by secret technology that the United States is doing. It cannot be explained away by adversarial technology because he says the United States has some of the most sophisticated technology and detection anywhere in the world.

• 2:38Mayim Bialik?

  The only explanation is that it is coming from some sort of intelligence that we do not yet understand. Admiral Tim served for 32 years as an oceanographer on active duty. He now takes the helm of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Organization, and also he's the undersecretary of commerce during the first Trump administration, but is currently working to finally get answers. He believes the truth is out there, and he believes that he is one of the people who can actually use the evidence we have, the research and information that he has gathered over decades to finally get the government to reveal the truth once and for all.

• 3:18Mayim Bialik?

  We get to speak to Tim on a very special day, the very day that his new book is released, Holding Fast in Heavy Seas. It's an incredible book that explores the entire journey of what it is to be a government oceanographer, working in the Navy while also experiencing some of the biggest changes in our understanding of UAPs. The book comes out today. What a pleasure to welcome Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet to the Breakdown.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Break it down.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Glad to be here. Thanks for having me.

• 3:48Mayim Bialik?

  I recognize you, obviously, from many things that we've gotten to see you in, whether it's testifying or whether it's being in age of disclosure. Really such an honor to get to speak with you.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  That's kind of you to say. I'm all part of a group of people, many of you who've been profiled on your show that are just trying to seek the truth.

• 4:10Mayim Bialik?

  The place where we'd like to start with you, and obviously your book comes out today, Holding Fast in Heavy Seas, very excited to get to talk to you on the day that it releases. Explain to us who you are and what you've seen.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  My whole career has been in ocean science and I started out as a kid in Southern California near where you are now, swimming, surfing, loving the ocean, and then wanting to pursue a career in studying it and in working on it. And that's what I did. I got exposed to Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California as a young person and I realized I really wanted to go there and get a PhD. I went to the US Naval Academy to do that. I got a graduate scholarship after and then served for 32 years doing that work, studying the ocean and applying it to

• 5:06Speaker 01

  national security. And so that's my career. That led me, though, however, into this really interesting topic of UAP UFOs because one of my jobs was to be the superintendent of the Naval Observatory. So we are oceanographers in the Navy. We're also in charge of things like astronomy and all geophysical sciences. So that job at the Naval Observatory where the vice president has a residence, has a real mission to have, to do catalog stars and record their positions and brightnesses because the universe is expanding. And you know, you have to think, GPS tells you

• 5:48Speaker 01

  where you are, how does GPS satellites know where they are? And they all reference themselves to the positions of stars very far away. It's called the Celestial Reference System. Anyways, that job led me to realize how big the universe is. And so it's like Avi Loeb at Harvard. I just got to understand astrophysics and I thought, man, this is just too big a universe to think we are the only intelligent life. And then fast forward, I have a story about really seeing UAP videos that were classified for a time as a one-star admiral and that made me convinced of the reality of their nature. So that's kind of the long and short of me being an oceanographer and coming into this whole topic of UAP UFO.

• 6:31Mayim Bialik?

  It sounds like you had an interest in this. Many, many people have your training, your expertise, and don't have an interest in that. But I wonder if you can separate for us your personal interest from some of the things that you saw, which couldn't be denied, no matter what your belief system is.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Well, this is really interesting. I love you addressing this and that your whole show does this. So yeah, the mainstream science community and as an oceanographer, this includes the ocean and marine science community. They don't want to touch the topic of UAP with a 10-foot pole, but they're in the ocean and I could tell you stories and we could talk about this further of submariners coming to me, veterans, about what they've seen and observed. And of course, you've had Ryan Graves on last and there's, we're seeing UAP everywhere in our domains. And, but yeah, and I've raised this with the US National Ocean Science Community and they're, they're very risk averse. And Avi Loeb,

• 7:35Speaker 01

  who's now the Chair of the new US UAP Science Advisory Council, he addresses this and has addressed this for some time, that mainstream science is just afraid to take a risk and even acknowledge the fact that we might not be alone in the universe and to look for anomalies in data. The same goes for the ocean science community, but that's where I'm trying to break out. I think we need to do that because I know we have Navy ships that are observing these objects and phenomena in the ocean. And that's what has to happen. So that's, and that's the background, as you, as you asked me about is, trust me, mainstream science is having a hard time getting along with it. But this new Science Advisory Council is a, is a giant paradigm shift in that.

• 8:20Mayim Bialik?

  You've stood literally shoulder to shoulder with Lou Elizondo, right? Who we've spoken to and, you know, have a lot of, you know, respect and fascination for the world that he has been navigating. When I read his book, it was kind of one of the first times that I had given deeper thought to what's happening with bodies of water and UAPs, what's happening with where things are being seen. Can you give us sort of a layperson's tour of where?

• 8:50Mayim Bialik?

  The skies and the ocean, which, you know, not to be biblical, but the waters above and the waters below, how these two things combine for, you know, this world of unidentified anomalous phenomenon.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  That's great. So yes, I can absolutely do that. And that's really my role. I came into this with an open mind, knowing that there's potential for these phenomena to be real, learning that they definitely were, and applying what my experience is as a long time, several decades-long ocean scientist to, to see what I could bring to bear. And the interesting aspect of this is, is that, of course, UAP, UFO are ubiquitous in the atmosphere and space. And you could look at the literature, you could look at Lou's book, you could look at, hopefully, the forthcoming book by Jay Stratt and the director of the UAP Task Force,

• 9:47Speaker 01

  my friend and colleague in the Pentagon for a time. That's going to be very telling, and I can't wait for that to be released, and really understand the reality of the phenomena. And then, but the real interesting aspect of this is that the oceans are so unexplored. I led the Navy, the US top ocean agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and I was the head oceanographer for the Navy, and I was charged with mapping the ocean floor and seabed, as well as monitoring the ocean volume for the US Navy, to help us know the ocean better than our adversaries and help give us an advantage in countering Russian and Chinese submarines.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  And all that, I mean, I learned that we just have not, we've not even mapped barely 27% of the seafloor of the ocean. That's, think about this. We've mapped the surface of Mars and the moon to a higher resolution than the bottom of our ocean. So that's a lot of territory we know nothing about, 73%.

• 10:48Mayim Bialik?

  Sorry to ask a, you know, a dumb question, and I want you to explain it to me. Why should we care and what does that have to do with UAPs?

• 10:56Speaker 01

  There's a number of reasons. National security-wise, we should know what our seafloor looks like and our ocean volume is like, because that gives us an advantage if we were going to... Go toe to toe in the undersea domain against someone, a country like China, which is going to be basically after cyber and space, the very front line of anything we do against them and has been in the Cold War, for example, it's how we won the Cold War, knowing the ocean better than the Russians. So that's one reason why knowing the ocean is also important for national, for economic prosperity and shipping and safe commerce and transportation. And we're seeing that now with the Strait of Hormuz, for example. I navigated through

• 11:39Speaker 01

  the Strait of Hormuz dozens of times on Navy ships and it's a very important waterway. So knowing that area of ocean is important. For UAP, I think it's the next frontier because, okay, it's obvious that as you look at all the reports and studies and research that the non-human intelligence that we believe are controlling these objects and phenomena, they're not just opening themselves out and showing up on the White House lawn, right? They're, they're, they're trying to remain in some way undiscerned, right? Not unhidden, if you will. And so if, if they want to maintain that to some degree, the best place for them

• 12:21Speaker 01

  to do it is to reside in the ocean. Now, there's a lot of speculation, a lot of people disclaim it's extraterrestrial and other galaxies. I, I, I don't know. And in fact, I've talked to people, for example, former commanders of the Office of Naval Intelligence, and they don't know either. Is it something that could be extra interdimensional, for example, or even subterranean or in the ocean? There's no, the people I have talked to don't know. And, and so that's the thing is that we really have to research every domain, including

• 12:59Speaker 01

  the ocean, more thoroughly to better understand potentially the origins of UAP and whatever is controlling them.

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• 15:09Jonathan Cohen?

  Mime's head is starting to hurt.

• 15:10Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I feel like you're saying that there's a lot of people who don't know. I think that's fair to say. But I would like to know how we went from, "This is something we can't explain. This is something that is certainly behaving in ways that our equipment is not used to tracking." How did we get from there to non-biological, non-human intelligence?

• 15:36Mayim Bialik?

  I feel like there should be more steps. And maybe you can start, you know, with Go Fast. I am 100% certain that we don't know what the fuck is going on. Like, that's literally where I'm at. 100% certain that we don't know what's happening. What I'm less certain about is my ability, right? As a civilian, to be able to say, yes, this is a non-human intelligent form.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Sure, I could do this for sure. And great questions. I love this. I've covered this territory quite a bit, and you're putting it into a whole new area of questioning and line of discussion. So first off, let's just go back a little bit. Yeah, my experience was to observe the Go Fast video on the Navy's secret network before it was declassified and released, which convinced me, because we don't have objects like that that have performance characteristics like that object without flight control surfaces and means of propulsion. And by the way, that object was flying in formation, which doesn't get talked about a lot, and I've written about. So that's the initiation there.

• 16:42Mayim Bialik?

  If people don't know, right? Like, tell us what you saw.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  I was a one-star admiral and chief meteorologist of the Navy, and I had sailors under me who were participating in the exercise that Ryan Graves was flying in off the USS Theodore Roosevelt, a nuclear aircraft carrier. And his squadron was encountering these UAPs in airspace off the US East Coast frequently. My perspective, so he's a deck plate aviator flying the training missions. I was the one star in charge of all the meteorologists who had to make sure those operations were done safely and weren't hampered by weather. And at a point during the exercise in January of 2015, I get an email on the Navy's secret network

• 17:27Speaker 01

  from a two-star admiral, who was the operations officer for my boss, commander of Fleet Forces Command. And it tied the subject line of the email is all capital letters, and it said, "Urgent safety of flight issue." And he addressed it to all these staff members and subordinate commanders like me. And he just said, "If any of you know what these are, tell me ASAP. We're having near mid-air collisions with these, and we might have to shut down the exercise." And attached was the Go Fast video. And that that set up a ton of red flags because one, we don't do testing of experimental technology. And that's what he was implying in the email. Is this some experiment that I just don't know about?

• 18:06Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  We don't do that in Navy training ranges. Navy training ranges are purposely developed for getting aircraft carriers and ships ready to deploy overseas. So people like Ryan, they had to have a number of flight deck landings to certify to deploy. You got to check a bunch of boxes for safety and operational proficiency. So you don't F around with experimentation. It's just not done. And the whole purpose of the command that I was under was to prepare forces to deploy.

• 18:41Mayim Bialik?

  The information that came down to you from a superior was what's going on? What's flying around that's almost causing people to crash? Are you guys testing something that I don't know about? To which the answer is absolutely not. If we were to test something out using our equipment, our technology and our expertise, we sure as hell wouldn't be doing it while people are doing training missions to figure out if they're competent to deploy during a war. This is not the place that we experiment and see what happens.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  Exactly. And I knew that. And that was my conclusion. And it was obvious to everybody involved.

• 19:18Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  The next day, the video and email was removed from my computer. And I've talked to then, actually it was Jay Strad who was involved with this. They wiped the emails from the computer because at the time, the person who sent it did not know about the fact that UAP were staying classified at a higher level than secret because they weren't sure, the intelligence officers at Free Forces Command and higher Director of Naval Intelligence, if UAP were a foreign adversary or

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Something else. And foreign adversary tech is highly classified. We don't want them to know we know what they know. So that that's the reason it was classified at a higher level.

• 19:59Mayim Bialik?

  I'm curious what you thought when you saw that. But when I see something like that, and I think this has been a lot of our, you know, take on it. Oh, this must be something. We don't know what it is. It's from some other country. They're messing around in our airspace, which is a big no-no, because they might cause crashes. And that needs to stop, right? Like, that's where a lot of us were kind of at. But what did you think when you saw that? Did a chill go down your spine? Were you like, oh, my God, aliens are real?

• 20:27Speaker 01

  First off, I knew it wasn't a foreign adversary because I've been reading all their technology and threat, the threats. So more than the general public might have thought, oh, my God, is that Chinese or Russians? I knew right away, no way, it was not. So it was a big eye opener for me. I'd always wondered, and I knew, I knew then, that's not ours. It's not theirs. It's something else. What it was, I wouldn't know. But it was, it was very eye opening for me. And I'll never forget it. It was, it's kind of seared in my memory. But ultimately, again, the reason the email was wiped from the computer, my computer and everybody else's network is that, that at the time, we, we, the intelligence community wasn't sure

• 21:12Speaker 01

  where, if they were foreign origin or not. And of course, Jay Stratton and others have since confirmed they're not foreign origin. There's something else.

• 21:21Mayim Bialik?

  But here's the thing, and again, I'm like devil's advocate here. You think you know what they don't want you to know. But there has to be room in the universe for them, whoever they are, for some adversarial defense department to potentially have equipment, technology, and capability. Isn't that the point that we wouldn't know it? Like, how do you know it's not them?

• 21:45Speaker 01

  So I'm talking about terrestrial adversaries, my aim, like China and Russia. I've been reading all, we know what they, we are so far superior to what they have still, even though there's a lot of talk about China and Russia. And, and back then. This is 2015. I know with complete certainty they didn't have that technology. There's nothing they could do to replicate right angle turns, maneuver, high-speed maneuvers with craft without flight control surfaces and no visible means of propulsion, operating in formation and all the things that Ryan Graves talked about. And none of our adversaries have that. We don't have it. And there is a lot of disinformation out there propagated by our own government and others

• 22:27Speaker 01

  saying, okay, yeah, that could be our US defense tech industry. No way at all. I can assure you. So that just leaves it open to something off-world. Where from? I don't know. And of course, this is coming out and Ryan talked about it extensively on your show previously. In a great way. Just love that guy.

• 22:49Mayim Bialik?

  So you see this video and you are seeing things that are not explained by any, as you describe it, terrestrial capability, right? I mean, is that the best way to say it?

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes.

• 23:04Mayim Bialik?

  So you're seeing these things and some part of you knows this is not ours. And whoever they are in terms of our adversaries, it's not theirs either. And then all of a sudden, everything is removed from your computer that was addressing this. Did you have an idea at this time that there was a larger kind of government concern over this information getting out? And how did you proceed to then get your questions answered?

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Right. Well, and we're seeing it play out now. In fact, with the government's release of UFO videos, that I knew, I knew exactly that we are keeping this classified at a higher level and secret. And this type of information of

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Ex-off-world technology of unknown origin is what was used in the UAP Disclosure Act language, and that was exactly, that's the right way to call it. We don't know where it comes from. It's not terrestrial, don't know where it's from. And so, yeah, and immediately I understood to be that case. Yeah, and it was very mind-blowing, of course, and it was difficult for me for a number of reasons. I had to sit on this amazing science breakthrough. Think about this. Your show was about this, science and science breakthroughs, and I couldn't say anything about it because I understood it to be classified. I knew why, and it was confirmed to me later, as we weren't sure it was foreign tech or not. Either way,

• 24:36Speaker 01

  that's why the government has been keeping all this classified. And they've proven it by releasing these videos now, these new UFO videos from the Department of War. They're all been classified. And because the government, for a number of reasons, didn't want to let the public know that we didn't understand what the heck was going on in our aerospace and water space.

• 24:59Mayim Bialik?

  Why?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Oh, of course, no government or administration wants to admit they're vulnerable, and that our multi-billion-dollar aerospace and undersea defense apparatus is basically inferior and potentially ineffective.

• 25:15Mayim Bialik?

  That's terrifying, right? And I think, and I, having recently seen Disclosure Day, you know, that is sort of one of the main pillars that this entire thing is standing on, right? What are we allowed to know? Why are we allowed to know certain things but not others? And who gets to decide what we get to believe or not?

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, great, great point, my net. I think, so there's a lot to say about that excellent movie, entertaining as well. But, and I think that's the one point, and it's gotten exactly right, that it's been shielded from us because... Essentially, the government has not, US government has not wanted to admit our vulnerabilities and doesn't think the public's ready for it and prepared. And they addressed that quite well. Of course, they do it with an interpretive and fictional narrative with this war deck company and all this. And they're, I mean, the real story is a little more complicated. But that essentially, that is representative of the situation.

• 26:22Jonathan Cohen?

  I want to talk about the transition from air to ocean because that's one of the characteristics that gets described as like there's, it's very challenging to go from whatever's propelling them through the air to immediately submerge underwater or come back up in that transition. Can you describe what has been witnessed?

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jonathan, thanks. Yeah. And that's the area I choose to focus on just because naturally that's what I know a lot about oceanography, ocean science is where all my network of professional colleagues is. And, and yeah, and there have been observations, not as many, remember, the oceans very unexplored and unobserved, under sampled is the term scientists use. And so, but, but there have been observations and data. I, one of the most compelling pieces of data is the infrared data, video from the USS Omaha, Southern California in 2019, which shows a spherical UAP, again, no flight control surfaces or exhaust or meter propulsion,

• 27:26Speaker 01

  hovering over the surface of the ocean and then moving into the ocean through it, exhibiting transmedium travel. And, and so, and this has been observed in other videos as well as my personal interviews of former submarine officers and acoustic intelligence specialists who've seen anomalies undersea. And I think so I, it's, it's, it's known that we see these objects in the ocean. And in some cases, not all, it looks like they're, and one of the videos, for example, in the Department of War releases is, shows a submarine of a foreign country that has surfaced and it's loitering.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  And you see these spherical objects that appear to go underneath the water and above it and not really cause any disturbance. It's hard to tell. There's no metadata. It's not at a high resolution. However, though, there's an accumulating amount of information that these objects are going in the water and they seem to potentially possess a capability to not impede the surface of the water. So what's happening there? I don't know. And that's why, again, as a member of the UAP Science Advisory Council now, I want to get the more data on these videos and reports to learn more about what they're really doing.

• 28:45Mayim Bialik?

  The USS Omaha, this is a great example. You know, you have to sort of suspend any, you know, cynicism you might have, which some people will just stop looking, right? They'll see the first frame and say, this is manufactured, this is AI. So we're going to set aside that category of people. So when we are watching this thing that is moving and and tracking, you know, I've spent a lot of years studying the properties of physics, right? And the properties of what happens with objects when they enter different spaces. And we know certain things. Any child in a bathtub, you know, and Archimedes himself, knows what happens with water, with displacement, like we, we know this stuff. We've got the

• 29:30Mayim Bialik?

  equations to determine what happens when an object, right, enters water.

• 29:36Jonathan Cohen?

  More simply, things splash.

• 29:37Mayim Bialik?

  Things splash. So what we're talking about is objects that are are traveling at speeds that if they are entering the water, they should be splashing. They're not splashing.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  That's the case in some of these observations. First, let's back up because most of many of my observations.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  And the information I've gathered is from eyewitness accounts of credible people. I was a Navy sailor officer for 32 years. And for example, the Omaha video, I know one of the petty officers on the bridge. He came out to me. He reported to me what he saw. And I think it was his shipmate, correct me if that provided the video to Jeremy Corbell. So this is real. That's the thing is I have corroborating firsthand eyewitness testimony on that and many other cases. By the way, and I think that accounts for something. In fact, so Kirk McConnell is one of these great leading UAP authorities.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  He worked in the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence and for years, decades, actually. And he's come out and worked and now he's working with the UAP Disclosure Foundation. And he made a great statement as this. Eyewitness testimony holds up in a court of law. Why would it not hold up in talking and addressing accounts of UAP, especially from military service members who are very trained observers?

• 31:06Mayim Bialik?

  It's a great question. We all of a sudden have a new standard, right? By which we judge a new level of scrutiny so that any solution is possible, except there's something non-human that might be happening and flying aircraft through the air and into the water.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Exactly. And, and so, and by the way, stepping back even further, again, the chair of this new UAP Science Advisory Council is Avi Loeb. And I find it fascinating, Miami, that he has so many haters because he is actually one of the most objective people on this topic. He looks at the universe, the 14 billion years, you know, old age of the universe, the 4.0 billion years old age of our planet, which is a newcomer. And the, and in the fact that our species is just so new to the, you know, whole scheme of existence that. There is the potential for other intelligent species to evolve is so highly likely. We know life is a property of the universe because we're here.

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• 33:09Mayim Bialik?

  Even if I'm willing to say, "Okay, we're not alone," you know, and I happen to be a Fermi paradox person, but I know that, you know, Avi and you have, you know, a bit of a tongue-in-cheek kind of interpretation of it, which is fine, but even if I'm willing to say there's life, I want you to take me as, as an admiral. Take me from that to they're flying from wherever they are, they're entering our airspace, they're not undetected, they are choosing to be detectable, also sometimes they crash. Like, if I'm willing to grant that there's other stuff out there, I know it doesn't

• 33:51Mayim Bialik?

  have to make sense, but I would like to make sense of their movements, their appearance. Like, are they really crashing? Like, my, you know, my vote is like teenage aliens are getting drunk and they're accidentally detectable and crashing.

• 34:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Teenage aliens are two and a half million years old, not three million.

• 34:10Mayim Bialik?

  That's right.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  That's funny. I like that. I have teenagers, so I get it.

• 34:15Mayim Bialik?

  I'm not being facetious, but like, what are we actually talking about, right? We're talking about something that has this kind of capability. I mean, we can't even wrap our heads around what it would mean to have an object do the things that these objects are doing, to enter the ocean without making a splash, to come back out, to make these turns, to fly in formation. We can't even fathom that. So I'm trying to wrap my head around some part of it that involves them being intermittently available to the visible spectrum, right? And detectable in ways that are turning, honestly, our country and the world a little bit upside down because it's become politicized. It's become, you know, this sort of pawn in some Epstein files cover up. Like, I don't even know what to believe anymore, right? Or when to believe it.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  I do hope that the intention is true transparency. It remains, it remains to be seen, we'll just say that. But we are, we're going to do our darndest to ask the administration to release data, more metadata and other data about different files to help us conclusively assess the nature of these objects and files. Okay, so that, that, that's, we're going to do that. Yeah, a lot of skepticism about this administration. And my book had talks a little bit about that, by the way. Again, it's not all about UAP, but there's a little bit about UAP. But it is all about speaking truth to science. Holding Fast in Heavy Seas comes out July 7. But ultimately, yes. So what did it make of all this?

• 35:44Speaker 01

  So ultimately, I think that, first off, there's a lot of really interesting information that's come out by people I respect, credible observers who are part of important programs. For example, Dr. Hal Pudoff was in this Stargate program. You've had remote viewers and you've talked about remote viewing on your show. This was a sanctioned government program. To basically leverage ESP or telepathy to conduct American intelligence and it succeeded, which beyond statistical expectations. And I can tell you for a fact that it's still occurring

• 36:24Speaker 01

  in real. Paul Smith was the Army rep on the Stargate program. He still teaches a course. My wife is an intermediate level advanced remote viewer. She's certified and did two courses with him. So things like that, the phenomena that no one wants to address, UAP, RV, they're, they're real. And I think there's a quantum mechanical, and I'm jumping here. But, um, so going back to UAP, though, there's a lot that we've not wanted to address as a government that's just coming out now. And I think we all just have to stay really objective and look at what we're given data wise and, and be, and be clear eyed about what we see.

• 37:05Mayim Bialik?

  What could we be talking about? Like, I want you to start the sentence with, like, if there are, you know, intelligent beings, right, that have the ability to have aircraft, dot, dot, dot.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  You've heard people like Carl Nell, who was on the UAP task force, Will Lazzondo, Jay Stratton, they, they have all, and these are people I know and trust and have worked with. And they, they've, they've stated these exist. And so I've not seen a craft. I've only seen the video I mentioned. But I trust these people because I know where they work, the institutions they work, the credentials they had to have had to work there. And so that, that, that, that's why I believe, not believe, I know it to be true. Dave Grush, just, we were at an event on Capitol Hill where Congressman Burleson and Luna and Burchett, we, Burchett,

• 37:59Speaker 01

  we were all together calling for more disclosure. That was just two weeks ago, for this reason, because we've had whistleblowers come forward who are very credible that have acknowledged these are real. So that's one level. And then, but then you get Grush, of course, who said, we have non-human biologics and that. Again, I have no firsthand evidence or

• 38:23Speaker 01

  observation or knowledge. However, what I can tell you is this, I know the nature of the government, and I have been shut out of special access programs that my sailors were read into, non-UAP, but that I believed I had a right to know because I wanted to make sure my sailors were equipped and ready for their mission. And I had the SAP control officers, the, you know, the deep state say, no, sir, you know, even though I was an admiral, you don't need to know, you can't, we're not going to read you into this. This is a very pervasive element of the intelligence community. And, and so I have, I have no reason to doubt that. And in fact, I firmly am convinced of what

• 39:07Speaker 01

  Dave Grush has testified to.

• 39:09Mayim Bialik?

  And if there's nothing to hide, what are they hiding?

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Well, right. And so now here's, I don't know, again, I don't know if we're in a paradigm shift or not, but things have changed. No administration has yet or heretofore said, okay, we've classified a lot of crazy stuff and we're going to release it. That's happened. Okay, that's happened. And these videos, the reports, for example, the last, the third tranche of UAP or UFO files to the Department of War, again, not going to put total trust in the administration, but there is some interesting observations here. For example, acknowledgement of these law enforcement officers observing these orbs that are a very pervasive UAP phenomena in many areas. And that, that's

• 39:57Speaker 01

  really concluding. And, and the Aero Director going on the record stating, don't know what they are. Again, I know back channel from private conversations with the Director of Office of Naval Intelligence, the same, that, that we observe these things, we don't know what the hell they are. Now, there might be parts of the government that know what the hell they are, and they're just not releasing it, and that's going to stay classified. And that's what we want to get into is the Science Advisory Council is to really, again, research their nature and get into the bottom of it.

• 40:27Jonathan Cohen?

  There are more and more places where people are saying there are things that we don't understand. That seems to be the consistent theme that's popping up, whether it be law enforcement, whether that be different parts of the military. Is that accurate?

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yes. In fact, here, I can share this with you. So if you look at the last release of UFO videos to the department of war, a lot of FBI reports. What's behind that is that there was an FBI office who at the, at the kind of grassroots level, not the headquarters level, said, you know, we're, they were watching this, they're seeing congressional testimony, they're an investigative body, and they said, let's just start gathering reports, build a database, because when this all comes out, we need to have some kind of baseline here. And, and so I really applaud the courage of these people, not can't give names or

• 41:24Speaker 01

  specifics, but they have started to do that. And they used me as a resource. A lot of the FBI reports in that latest tranche, I vector to the FBI office because they came to me after my testimony, individuals, hey, sir, I saw this. I sent them over to that, them, and then the FBI documented it. And now the Pentagon's released it. Didn't expect that at all. And here you go. So that's, that's happening. You know, and ultimately, a really good quote by Avi Loeb recently, where he wrote an article about his role as the chair in the Science Advisory Council. And he said, basically, like, like Galileo,

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Galilei, when we were, when he was trying to convince the, the church, the Catholic Church about the fallacy of the earth-centric, earth-centric universe, that, oh, Avi said that evidently, it's kind of a fallacy to even try to. Try to, try to assume that, that there is a alternate explanation to reality when in the future, there'll be so much evidence that it'll prove otherwise. And that's where we're at. That's where we're at. We're, we're finding so much evidence. And I, I could just go on. I've had so many sailors come to me and recount their UAP

• 42:48Speaker 01

  reports. Here's where we are now, and it could just be an avalanche, and I'm hoping for it, that all these people who've come to me, sailors and officers and veterans, I saw this, and they were giving me names and dates and ships, and locations and characteristics of the UAP and USOs that they observed. And I now, we're sending all that information to the Department of War and the ODNI as a science advisory council to say, please give us more data on these events so we can do rigorous scientific analysis and characterize the true nature of the phenomena. And that's, that's our charter, is to investigate and then make recommendations to the government. And that's what we're going to do.

• 43:33Jonathan Cohen?

  It sounds like the time we are right now in history is we're moving away from experiencers being undercover, not being able to speak about it for fear of either being ignored or, or worse, being considered insane. And so there was no ability to study these things because you weren't able to collect the information, to collect firsthand reports, to map what was actually going on. And only now are we at a place where there's a centralized repository of this information that can start to be mapped and evaluated.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. So let's, let me give a little bit of background here. And first off, this, I don't know, psy, telepathic, paranormal element of just existence, in addition to the relation to UAP, is very much real and is documented in the books that James Lakatsky and Colm Kelleher, DIA employees and contracting officers, Defense

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Agency wrote that one is called Skinwalkers of the Pentagon. And then there was two others, and I've just finished them. One's called New Insights. One's called Future Visions by by Lakatsky. All of them document the research and the $22 million funded by the DIA to investigate these phenomena. And it involved not only field work at Skinwalker Ranch, I think, which is probably well known by your viewers, as well as going and doing additional investigations from MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network reports. And and they're extraordinary. And all of them involve a paranormal or psy or telepathic kind of component. And it's all very well documented.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  So that's really interesting and fascinating. And I don't think it's is at all weird. Your show has done this really well with people like Julia Mossberg, where there's likely a quantum mechanical explanation behind that. That that aspect of reality and our consciousness, I'm sure of it, actually. And quantum mechanics actually does that. The paradigm has totally changed now that quantum mechanics has arrived on scene, where the observer and mind is foremost, not materialism. And that's a whole lot to say about that. That's the entire episodes you've done.

• 45:57Mayim Bialik?

  No, but I think that's important. And Disclosure Day, I think, does a really good job of this because I think a lot of people feel like, OK, even if I could get on board with there's intelligent life somewhere else. A lot of people don't understand this connection to really opening the aperture, not only of what's possible, but opening that aperture of what are we actually talking about? You know, what are the implications? There have been people saying that there's aliens here for thousands of years, right? We've had either variations on this and D W Pasulka, Dr. Pasulka talked about this. You know, what if, right? Ezekiel's vision, right, was some version of what we now call aliens are visiting us, right?

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love Diane. Diana, she I reviewed her book. Her latest book is called The Others. It's amazing. I think it's the first treatment of the intersection of artificial intelligence and non-human intelligence and the implications of both. It's a fantastic book.

• 47:00Mayim Bialik?

  But I think that's what scares a lot of people also, because some people like are willing to entertain like, okay, I'm looking at the ships and I'm looking at the footage and the government is releasing this stuff. But a lot of people, and again, Spielberg kind of, you know, put his finger right on this. What if it opens up a conversation about differences in perception, differences in understanding language and communication? What if there are people with special abilities to sense things like the presence of non-human intelligence? What if some people are more tuned into that? What if their frequency, right, is tuning into that? And what we're seeing is that wall is being breached by whatever's happening with ever, with people like you who are brave enough to say something's going on here.

• 47:44Jonathan Cohen?

  With Chris Bledsoe, who's able to summon these lights that can't be explained.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Right. First off, thank you, Mayne, for saying that. I want to say I'm courageous. I just, again, I just want to know the truth and we all do, and that's, we should. And the American people deserve that. Okay, it's just, we don't, the government doesn't have an exclusive right to know the nature of reality. I think all Americans deserve that. But, yeah, and it's an interesting thing. And actually, I'll go back because you had asked this question about the nature of all these potential non-human intelligences and whatnot. I think you have to go back and read really the whole body of work by Jacques Vallée. And he is more than anybody else, and I had the amazing honor to moderate a panel with him

• 48:34Speaker 01

  at this event in Palm Springs called Contact in the Desert. And we had a nice private dinner with him and he actually gifted me one of his latest book on the first UFO crash retrieval called Trinity. And that was really remarkable. And so Jacques did a great job in that book of just treating the objectivity of the crash scene and the witnesses. And he's done so in the last 50 years, really, by doing that with many, many other cases and witnesses. So he's just really a remarkable person and he has looked at the whole kind of Last 50 years of the observations and concluded that, oh, he is not sure.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  There's no really single conclusion you can make about the nature of NHI. His one, one theory is it's a control system interacting with us, changing its nature and form depending on the observer. Now, that sounds extremely weird, but, but really it's the really only way you can conclude the diverse nature of all the weird craft and beings and interactions. Some are positive, some are negative, benevolent, malevolent.

• 49:50Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, and, and I think the notion, and you've talked about this, the notion that once you've been contacted, you're different. Once you've experienced something, you're different. And it's interesting because we speak to a lot of people who have had near death experiences, who often report other anomalous, inexplicable phenomena happening to them when they are young, that they feel was preparing them for the skillset they would need to survive the breach of consciousness, right? That sometimes comes. I mean, we've had so many people, even when we spoke to Angela Ford, who worked as a

• 50:34Mayim Bialik?

  remote viewer, and we said, did you know you had these powers? And she said, well, not really. Oh, but I guess some people would visit me in my bedroom when I was a child. What? Right? And it turns out there's an opening of perception and an opening of cognition that would explain the difference in experience, the difference in reporting, and even the difference in interpretation.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think Jock addresses this beautifully because he looks at the unification of the NHI contact as well as OBEs and NDEs. And, and there's a unity in them all. It's hard to explain. I don't understand it, but here we go.

• 51:21Mayim Bialik?

  We're going to hit pause here on our conversation with Admiral Timothy. There's so much more in part two, including if advanced non-human intelligences are real, what does that actually mean for our understanding of power, security, and our place in the universe? Which presidential administrations may have had access to information about UAPs? And which presidents have chosen to stay in the dark? We're also going to talk about some related extrasensory perception phenomenon and things like cattle mutilations. What is the link between these incredible things and the UAPs that Admiral Tim is looking so hard into? We're also going to talk about why encounters with non-human intelligence or UAPs affect people so profoundly?

• 52:06Mayim Bialik?

  And what are the other abilities and occurrences that seem to be happening around people who also have UAP experience?

• 52:13Jonathan Cohen?

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• 52:20Mayim Bialik?

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