Giggling about gay rodeos, club culture, and carpe diem

Hannah cried at a gay rodeo and Paige is fired up. Thanks to Dunkin' for supporting this episode!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

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• 0:51Hannah Berner?

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• 1:35Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Like so many people have my location.

• 1:43Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:47Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend like doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:52Hannah Berner?

  Yep. Yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. And even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:09Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:17Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time, and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:21Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:26Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising, and you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts. You ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing, it's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:46Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly women deserve.

• 2:51Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 2:57Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:06Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:09Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:12Hannah Berner?

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• 3:25Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:26Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, gigglers?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Jerry, fix your wifi. Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:47Hannah Berner?

  I had one, literally so prepared.

• 3:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Gravitas.

• 3:50Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I love that one.

• 3:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know what it means.

• 3:52Hannah Berner?

  What's up, my gravitas, gigglers?

• 3:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I feel like it's one of those words that's like...

• 3:57Hannah Berner?

  Does it mean free? No, that's...

• 3:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Gravitas. I feel like it's giving, like, crap of a lot of love.

• 4:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. Millennials definitely put it on a pillow.

• 4:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Verde, which was my high school slogan, I think.

• 4:08Hannah Berner?

  Something about being green?

• 4:12Hannah Berner?

  Something about c'est la vie.

• 4:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's what it is.

• 4:15Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god, millennials love...

• 4:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Parpa DM.

• 4:17Hannah Berner?

  Yes. Oh my god, put it on a poster in your room.

• 4:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I have a couple of things I need to talk about. I haven't listed.

• 4:24Hannah Berner?

  Go off.

• 4:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Where should I start? Where should I start? Start with something that happened last week because I forgot to talk about it when we were, because we were talking about so much South by Southwest. Did you see the video of Kiki Palmer doing something at South by Southwest? I don't even know who she was interviewing. She was interviewing like a cast of something. And a guy came up to the po- to the stage.

• 4:47Hannah Berner?

  Walked up to the.

• 4:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Walked up to the stage, like normal, in his 30s, good looking, dressed well, had like a lanyard on, like he was supposed to be at. First of all, what is South by Southwest? No one knows.

• 4:58Hannah Berner?

  Also, if you have a lanyard, you could do anything.

• 5:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you know that when Lucho has his, his camera, he goes, I can literally do anything. He has broken into so many things with me. Where they're like, you don't have another ticket? And he's like, I have a camera. And he's like, I could do anything. It's really crazy. But anyways.

• 5:16Hannah Berner?

  She just make up a fake lanyard and walk anywhere.

• 5:19Paige DeSorbo?

  So this man like has a lanyard. So he walks up to the stage and he, I'm not kidding, proposes to Kiki Palmer. And Kiki is like so professional and actually like too nice to this guy. The thing that pissed me off so badly was, remember when this happened to Drew Barrymore?

• 5:42Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 5:43Paige DeSorbo?

  And I think she was with Renee.

• 5:44Hannah Berner?

  Renee Rapp like had a bodyguard.

• 5:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes. And the bodyguards ran out so quickly. No one ran out. No one, it took them like three minutes. And they were like so nice to this guy, like, oh, can you move along? Like, you know, like this is, no, tackle this man. What are you talking about? He's walking up and proposing to Kiki Palmer.

• 6:05Hannah Berner?

  Well, that happened once in one of our shows. Remember someone got up and just started walking towards the stage and we both were.

• 6:10Paige DeSorbo?

  I said, are you gonna shoot me?

• 6:11Hannah Berner?

  No security guard.

• 6:13Paige DeSorbo?

  No one said anything.

• 6:14Hannah Berner?

  But you wonder like what security is there for. It's definitely if someone starts like going towards the stage.

• 6:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, there's no protocol in which the audience has to be on or near the stage. Unless whoever's on stage is like, we're bringing someone up from the audience. So anyone moving toward the state tackled that.

• 6:32Hannah Berner?

  I saw that like, but Kiki is famously like the nicest, coolest, most charismatic person, but she shouldn't have been in that position.

• 6:40Paige DeSorbo?

  One time I met her at the Today Show and she looked at me and she said, you look like I'm Marotta. And then she walked away and I was like.

• 6:48Paige DeSorbo?

  I said, I love your pixie.

• 6:51Hannah Berner?

  I did a video with her back in the day when I was at Betches.

• 6:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I love her.

• 6:56Hannah Berner?

  She's amazing.

• 6:57Paige DeSorbo?

  People don't praise her enough that she's like

• 6:59Hannah Berner?

  Multi-talented.

• 6:59Paige DeSorbo?

  So multi-talented. She can do anything.

• 7:01Hannah Berner?

  But she's one of those that like is so talented that I think people haven't caught up, like.

• 7:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Like guys, she was a singer. Hello.

• 7:08Hannah Berner?

  She was, she was in a spelling bee.

• 7:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Hannah Berner?

  She can spell.

• 7:12Paige DeSorbo?

  So anyway, that annoyed me. I digress.

• 7:14Hannah Berner?

  But also you have, when the whole audience is there, you can't suddenly be like, bro, shut the fuck up. Like you have to be nice.

• 7:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Even like the people that she was interviewing, they were like, almost like joking. And I was like, no, this guy could whip a gun out.

• 7:27Hannah Berner?

  That's like stalker shit. Leave Kiki Palmer alone.

• 7:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Speaking of mentally ill.

• 7:33Hannah Berner?

  This could go anywhere.

• 7:34Paige DeSorbo?

  This is a great segue.

• 7:34Hannah Berner?

  Okay. Which we rarely have.

• 7:38Paige DeSorbo?

  And I rarely watch something that you've already talked about because I'm like, why watch it? My friend watched it. She told me about it. I watched the manosphere. It is so deeply mentally unwell. Like I'm watching it and they're in, and the guy, what's his name? Whatever.

• 7:53Hannah Berner?

  Louis Theroux.

• 7:55Paige DeSorbo?

  He's interviewing these men and I'm like, why isn't anyone breaking the news to them that they're mentally ill and they have to go on medicine and see a doctor? Or call their dad. Or one phone call to your dad might eliminate this. The one guy, also the one guy that like lives in Miami and is, has red hair.

• 8:17Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 8:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Get a boyfriend, babe. Babe. Just one man. Just see, you've obviously already hooked up with a man. I actually don't even have to say that. But maybe date one like fully and you wouldn't have to terrorize everyone you meet. Here's the other thing. The other guy, when they bring in the mom and he's like, changes his whole rhetoric because the mom looks at him and is like, who raised you?

• 8:41Hannah Berner?

  Rhetoric.

• 8:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And then the one guy whose wife came in and, and he got all scared and was like, please cut her part.

• 8:48Hannah Berner?

  Well, they're all fake con men.

• 8:51Paige DeSorbo?

  They're all so dumb, too.

• 8:53Hannah Berner?

  Any guy that has to say they're manly is not manly. Any guy who has to say they're a nice guy is not a guy, a nice guy.

• 9:00Paige DeSorbo?

  You're doing all of this to like, make money and like, but you don't, you're influencing an entire generation of men who are, their brains are not formed and won't be till their 40s, and it's really scary. And Gen Z is so scary.

• 9:14Hannah Berner?

  And they're blaming the fact that they're failing on women. They're saying society is like created for the men to fail because of the women. I'm like, have you heard of the patriarchy?

• 9:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Read a history book.

• 9:28Hannah Berner?

  Everything is set up for you guys. Go do one job interview.

• 9:32Paige DeSorbo?

  You guys set it up in 1700. You guys did this.

• 9:36Hannah Berner?

  You're complaining about the patriarchy that you're in charge of.

• 9:40Paige DeSorbo?

  It's so, it was so freaky and so scary and weird. And it's also, I think they almost like envy women so much. They want to like emulate them and do things that we like.

• 9:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Like this man was like, he's never gonna get invited to Miami on a yacht. It's like, okay.

• 10:01Hannah Berner?

  Oh yeah, they're so mad that girls get free drinks. He's like, she can go on a yacht with a hot guy.

• 10:06Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like, do you want to go with the hot guy? Because we'll tag you in.

• 10:10Hannah Berner?

  Do you want to suck dick on a yacht? Because you can.

• 10:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally, anytime I've ever been invited anywhere by a man, I've brought other friends. Like, you could come with me. It was one of the scariest documentaries I think I've ever watched, actually.

• 10:21Hannah Berner?

  I'm in like a RuPaul K-hole still.

• 10:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Hannah Berner?

  Which is why I haven't any, had any new documentary updates. But one of the many challenges or challenges they have is they're, they brought in gay rodeo.

• 10:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 10:36Hannah Berner?

  Now gay rodeo.

• 10:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Anyone who says this podcast isn't informative has literally never listened to a single episode.

• 10:45Hannah Berner?

  So by the way, I cry every episode of RuPaul Drag Race. Like you think you're not going, everyone's crying the whole time. So a bunch of these like really manly rodeo men come in and you find out they're all gay and they're all like, I was afraid to come out because rodeo is so um.

• 11:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Masculine.

• 11:01Hannah Berner?

  And homophobic.

• 11:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 11:03Hannah Berner?

  So like they were like, if I came out as gay, the rodeo wouldn't accept me. So they created their own.

• 11:09Paige DeSorbo?

  What I knew in the rodeo.

• 11:11Hannah Berner?

  Rodeo is gay. Rodeo is gay, by the way. Just a bunch of men riding each other.

• 11:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Watch Yellowstone and shut off.

• 11:18Hannah Berner?

  Also, you're wearing heels with a pointed toe.

• 11:23Hannah Berner?

  Like, there's no need.

• 11:24Paige DeSorbo?

  You've been accessorizing with belts and hats for years. We know you're gay, babe.

• 11:30Hannah Berner?

  Belts with decorations on them and showing them off.

• 11:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I think the same with like the WWE, like, oh, the prize is a belt?

• 11:40Hannah Berner?

  It's the only sport that rodeo were men for like, we need to wear jeans. I'm like, you don't need to wear jeans. And they're like, that's my aesthetic.

• 11:48Paige DeSorbo?

  They're like, no, we do.

• 11:49Hannah Berner?

  No other sport do you wear jeans?

• 11:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's so interesting to the crowd.

• 11:55Hannah Berner?

  Like other sports, like polo doesn't wear jeans. Why are they in their like, my, their favorite like Levi's?

• 12:02Paige DeSorbo?

  No, they like really lean into like the aesthetic of their sport. Like if you said to me, gun to my head, I talked about guns a lot.

• 12:08Hannah Berner?

  You are like, you're so much violence.

• 12:12Paige DeSorbo?

  If you said gun to my head, what do they do in the rodeo? I would die.

• 12:16Hannah Berner?

  I've watched it once accidentally at a bar. Cause I'll get into any sport. It's insane. They just get thrown off a bull that doesn't want them on their back. Like Peter's not hap- like Peter's like, clearly they don't want you riding them. Honestly, you know what it is? It's just like no consent. It's just men like with no consent. The bulls literally like, hey, can we not do this? And like, we're doing this. And they're like, well, I'm gonna kick you off if you try. And the guy's like, I'm gonna try. And he's like, well, I'm gonna kick you off. That's the sport. But so these gay rodeo guys created this gay rodeo for guys who wanted to come out of the closet and be gay and do rodeo.

• 12:51Paige DeSorbo?

  In peace.

• 12:52Hannah Berner?

  In peace. And then they were getting, becoming drag queens. And it was so interesting because one of them was like, I used to do drag, but I felt like I lost myself and I lost my masculinity. But I'm finding my femininity is helping me find my power. And he was crying and I was crying. But like, it's just discovering different versions of themselves. But anyway, I really love RuPaul's Drag Race.

• 13:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Thank you so much for that interlude, Hannah. We appreciate it on this very pleasant Monday morning.

• 13:24Hannah Berner?

  It is such a Monday today.

• 13:27Paige DeSorbo?

  It's such a Monday, especially because I socialized this weekend, which is like.

• 13:31Hannah Berner?

  So when Paige socializes without me, I sit back, I wait, I'm worried.

• 13:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:36Hannah Berner?

  I'm, I can feel nervous. Wake up in the morning, have a 1 a.m. text of everything that went down. You made me laugh so hard. Can I say one of your quotes?

• 13:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 13:46Hannah Berner?

  She goes, the girls are younger, the guys are exactly the same.

• 13:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, something's going on with Gen Z. And look, I feel like I talk about this a lot with like, and I think it's partly because like I get, I'm getting older, but like, I'm really sad that club culture is dying. Clubs were like such a big part of my life for so long. And thinking that like Gen Z doesn't go out and like drink and go to clubs and like, I feel bad for them because everything's recorded and you can't like be yourself.

• 14:18Hannah Berner?

  2015, we weren't Instagramming.

• 14:21Paige DeSorbo?

  No, certainly not. I was living my best life at, on a table at a club somewhere doing something.

• 14:27Hannah Berner?

  We know what you're doing.

• 14:30Paige DeSorbo?

  I go to dinner, I go to dinner with one of my girlfriends, one of my guy friends. And they keep being like, okay, we're gonna go to this club like after dinner. And I'm like, okay. And every club's name is a lovely female's name.

• 14:44Hannah Berner?

  Really?

• 14:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Delilah, Mary Lou, Jolene, like all these different club names. It's just like women's names.

• 14:51Hannah Berner?

  Well, I found interesting. Get the women to go there. It sounds like a brunch. Delilah, that sounds like a brunch.

• 14:58Paige DeSorbo?

  We pull up and I'm like, this is not, I know this club and I like say the name of it years ago. And they're like, oh yeah, I think it was that club.

• 15:12Hannah Berner?

  Twenty seven years ago, in nineteen eighty two.

• 15:15Paige DeSorbo?

  So I walk in, I go, no, it's the same club. They didn't even change the formation. I'm like, bars over here, DJs over here.

• 15:23Hannah Berner?

  You already know everyone who works there?

• 15:25Paige DeSorbo?

  No, truly.

• 15:26Hannah Berner?

  You're like, Steve.

• 15:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Two things happened to me. One, I witnessed for the first time ever in my entire adult life. I witnessed, I'm at, standing at one table and there's, it's like a row of tables. I'm standing over here. There's like maybe couple, I'm like two tables away. I watch two men sitting at a table, three men, sitting at a table alone and I watch pretty young girls walk up to the table and I see the men look at each other like, who are these girls? Like, why do they wanna like, we don't know them type thing, like get away from our table? And in my head, I'm like, hey guys, this is the whole point.

• 16:06Paige DeSorbo?

  The whole point of you getting a table is so that those two girls actually wanna speak to you. Because if we weren't in the setting, they wouldn't. So it was like one of the weirdest, I was like, this is so weird. I have to go. When I'm walking in, I hear a girl behind me say, I'd recognize that voice anywhere. Like I'm a giggler. And so I turn around and I start talking.

• 16:30Hannah Berner?

  Cause you know you were yapping.

• 16:32Paige DeSorbo?

  And I start talking to this girl and her friend walks up and I look at her friend and I go, I know you. How do I know you? And she goes, I dated your ex-boyfriend after you. And I go, I've looked at her. It's like, I'm then it like all came flooding back.

• 16:48Hannah Berner?

  You're like, oh, I know everything about you.

• 16:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I go, I've stalked your Instagram.

• 16:56Hannah Berner?

  The closeness of that relationship, but also the tea that must have been spilled.

• 17:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, we couldn't even spill it like in that because we literally had like five minutes.

• 17:05Hannah Berner?

  But you're trauma bonded.

• 17:06Paige DeSorbo?

  We were so trauma bonded. I was like, you're stunning. You're gorgeous. Like everything about you.

• 17:11Hannah Berner?

  And then you almost feel bad for a second that you let her date him. Like you're like, I should have intervened.

• 17:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I said, I wanted to DM you, but I didn't want to seem crazy. But like, I needed you to know that he was the, he's the worst.

• 17:24Hannah Berner?

  Honestly, there's something so refreshing talking to another girl who dated the same guy to be like, he made me feel like A, B, C, and D. Is that because of me? Or is that just a universal experience?

• 17:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, I talked to two people and two separate boyfriends and they're like, wasn't that a nightmare? And I'm like, one I dated before and then the other one I dated after this girl. And it was almost like the same thing. She was like, someone needs to tell her that like, he will try and ruin her life. Okay. So those are the three, a couple of things on my docket.

• 17:56Hannah Berner?

  But also I would say like, yeah, we need to rank all the guys and leave notes on them, da, da, da. But I do think it's important to see how bad a dude can be so that you know what your worth is and then you date up. Like it's almost like you need that experience to know what you deserve.

• 18:14Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm the kind of girl that like, if you DM'd me and was like, this guy's horrible. Like I, like I'm reading it.

• 18:22Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Like I'm not immediately being like, okay, well that's like, I'm like, well, why? Give me all the tea.

• 18:30Hannah Berner?

  I said, who is this girl and why'd she say that?

• 18:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 18:32Hannah Berner?

  Give me your side of the story. I'm fucking Judge Judy right now.

• 18:34Paige DeSorbo?

  And the amount of girls that like I've reached out to, I reached out to one girl specifically, actually, that dated a guy that I dated prior. And I reached out to her and I apologized to her because I said, I'm so sorry that I even had a moment that I would believe him over what a woman was saying. I was so blinded. I completely apologized. Everything he said was a lie. I'm sure you're lovely. I'm sure we'd be friends. She responded like, let's get to like, yeah, like all, like all good. I know the type of like psychosis you were in because I dated him also. So don't worry about it.

• 19:16Hannah Berner?

  Dicmatization. When they're in it, they're in it. And you gotta get it, let her get through that.

• 19:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Hannah Berner?

  You can't convince her. Like you're like, he's in jail. And she's like, and he calls me every day. So go fuck yourself.

• 19:31Paige DeSorbo?

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• 20:59Paige DeSorbo?

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• 21:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Every single thing is an excuse to put on a look. Going to work? Outfit. Leading a meeting? Outfit. Getting drinks with your friends? Obviously outfit. And as we all know, every great outfit starts from the feet up. That is why I'm currently obsessed with alleys from Sam Edelman. They're ballet flat but a little something extra for fall. A contrasting velvet cap toe, I have them in this gorgeous azure blue, which is like a dusty muted blue that somehow goes with everything, even Daphne's eyes. They're so cute and I'm already envisioning my next outfit. Straight leg jeans, an oversized blazer and a little shoulder bag. Very, I just threw this on when we all know I absolutely did not. And Hannah is loving hers too. She has the Michaela, which is the Sam Edelman's take on a Mary Jane.

• 22:26Paige DeSorbo?

  And this season it comes in the chicest leopard. So gorge, so easy and exactly the kind of shoe that makes an otherwise basic outfit look like you actually tried. And there's so much more coming from Sam Edelman this fall beyond these two. Like the new Teigan and Tallulah pumps, plus ready to wear handbags, fragrances and even a new men's collection. So basically you can make sure both you and your man are looking good for date night. Because we're not doing all that getting dressed just to let him show up in a t-shirt. Head to samedelman.com and get 15% off with code giggly15. Can we talk about the difference between a home that's furnished and a home that's intentional? Because if you're still living with a mattress on the floor at 25, that's crazy.

• 23:08Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:48Hannah Berner?

  As you guys know, I'm not up on Mormon Wives, which is the one show that seems to be every. I can't open my news feed without seeing craziness.

• 23:58Paige DeSorbo?

  I just want to apologize to the gigglers because we had recorded the episode before last week, before all of this.

• 24:04Hannah Berner?

  Did we talk about it?

• 24:05Paige DeSorbo?

  No, all of this like happened. We had already recorded.

• 24:08Hannah Berner?

  We weren't like, go watch The Bachelorette.

• 24:10Paige DeSorbo?

  No, so I was actually so mad this week when like everything was happening because I was like, I have so much to say about this.

• 24:15Hannah Berner?

  I was literally texting you like, I can't wait to hear your take.

• 24:18Paige DeSorbo?

  My top line is if you're mad at Taylor, Taylor Frankie Paul, which I like, her name is like so intense. If you're mad at her, I so envy you because that means you've never dated a person like Dakota. Dakota truly is tell me lies Steven in real life. Is she toxic too? Absolutely. There were a lot of people that were mad that like in Mormon Wives, you saw her sleep with Dakota before she left to go do The Bachelorette. And it's like, okay, well, yeah, because she's a reality TV star and you're watching her reality show. You think like the other Bachelor and Bachelorettes weren't fucking before they went on TV? Or immediately after? Like, that's insane.

• 25:00Hannah Berner?

  She's single and clearly in a toxic.

• 25:03Paige DeSorbo?

  People like really sometimes don't, can't like see through reality TV and it really confuses me.

• 25:08Hannah Berner?

  People judge reality TV harsher than they judge their own friends.

• 25:12Paige DeSorbo?

  I think the Bachelorette season being pulled from the air is one of the craziest things ever.

• 25:18Hannah Berner?

  Well, I would like to say, if you're going to pull The Bachelorette season from the air, you're going to have to pull the whole NFL season.

• 25:24Paige DeSorbo?

  You're gonna have to pull the NBA, the NFL, golf.

• 25:29Paige DeSorbo?

  You're gonna probably get a lot of people out of the government.

• 25:32Hannah Berner?

  The entire government.

• 25:33Paige DeSorbo?

  But yet this 26 year old Mormon housewife, her whole season is getting pulled and she might get sued. Like, please.

• 25:42Hannah Berner?

  On information that they had.

• 25:43Paige DeSorbo?

  That you already knew. You hired her knowing this information. Now, the video, did you watch the video?

• 25:50Hannah Berner?

  I have to say, I don't recommend people watch the video. I watched it innocently, just like for informative purposes. Cause I have a podcast.

• 25:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Correct.

• 25:59Hannah Berner?

  It was very, very upsetting.

• 26:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Very upsetting.

• 26:02Hannah Berner?

  Don't watch it if you haven't watched it.

• 26:04Paige DeSorbo?

  You can hear the daughter, like, now Taylor, Frankie, Paul, that's fucked up. Fighting with him in front of your children. Women are just better than men. We have to be better than them. And so like, you should have gone into a different room and like duked it out or whatever.

• 26:20Hannah Berner?

  We witnessed a person at their lowest low.

• 26:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I've watched so many men on reality TV do some of the most horrible things to people. Physical, mental. Mental and get so rew- you're, I've watched people be like, I'm a drug addict and then be like, you're the star of the show.

• 26:40Hannah Berner?

  I've watched people get in physical altercations that if I had gotten into.

• 26:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. You're fired.

• 26:46Hannah Berner?

  I'd be in jail.

• 26:47Paige DeSorbo?

  You would have been fired.

• 26:48Hannah Berner?

  The Bachelorette, ta- firing Frankie, Taylor, Frank- Paul Frankie, Paul, Taylor. It's crazy because it's like, oh, like you've never had a season where everyone hated the woman.

• 26:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, then there were like rumors that ABC was like, oh, well, they thought it was going to be a bad season. So they rather just like take the loss.

• 27:04Hannah Berner?

  There's never a bad season. It's called editing. You're always going to make it good. That's what they're professionals at, is making sure there's drama even when there isn't.

• 27:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Obviously, I watched the entire season of Mormon.

• 27:14Hannah Berner?

  Did they cut her out of it?

• 27:16Paige DeSorbo?

  No, no. This was like filmed, this was aired. All of the husbands, no.

• 27:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I think Secret Lives of Mormon Wives should be studied in colleges and like during like feminist classes because it's such a great example of all

• 27:30Hannah Berner?

  Of a cult?

• 27:31Paige DeSorbo?

  That and all the men were like, hey, marry us at 22, you're gonna stay home, you're gonna have a bunch of kids, you're gonna keep the house, you're not gonna do anything that you've ever dreamt of doing, but it's gonna be good because we're gonna be married and I'm gonna take care of you. All of the sudden, all their wives got famous and rich and they said, hey, remember that idea you had a couple of years ago where I was gonna stay home and take the care of the kids? Now you have to do it. They're all revolting.

• 27:59Hannah Berner?

  Freaking out.

• 28:00Paige DeSorbo?

  They're freaking out.

• 28:01Hannah Berner?

  Well, because they all have seven children.

• 28:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally, one of the husbands sat there and was like, well, I didn't go to med school. Why? Go. Go do it then. What are you talking? Yeah, because your wife makes so much money now. You're chilling and you're gonna sit here and say to her like, you did a video with another guy at Disney World dancing. Oh, to promote the dancing show she's on? Like, Jessie's husband literally came on and was like, our wives don't monopolize the internet. Like, I'm the leader of dad talk. No one wants you on our TVs.

• 28:36Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I heard they were like, dad talk's funnier. Like, they actually can't comprehend that people want to watch their wives and not them. They can't comprehend that their wives are better at something than they are. Where instead, I mean, I would argue what it looks like from the outside, at least Whitney's husband is

• 28:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Is the best one.

• 28:54Hannah Berner?

  Is supporting her, proud of her. And I would talk, this is literal jealousy. Because it's like, even in like a friendship, I could be jealous of my friend when something good happens, or I could go, that's my best friend, and I'm so fucking proud that I'm her best friend.

• 29:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Would it? If you're not like that, though, what the fuck is the point?

• 29:13Hannah Berner?

  Why are you in a relationship with someone? Your biggest hater is in your bed?

• 29:17Paige DeSorbo?

  I've dated my biggest hater.

• 29:19Hannah Berner?

  It's fan behavior.

• 29:21Paige DeSorbo?

  He was in my bed and it's truly one of, you never go to sleep like peaceful. It's truly so anxious because you're like, not only do you like low-key hate me, you also low-key want to be me. And that's really terrifying because you're like,

• 29:41Hannah Berner?

  The men coming together, it's so like opposition to the women. It's literally like us versus you guys. And I'm like, you've lost the plot. Marriage is about love and teamwork and like some years, someone else picks up this. Some years this happens. Like it's about two people who are capable of supporting each other through thick and thin.

• 30:00Paige DeSorbo?

  There's no star. I've watched so many men and I've watched so many women on television and experienced it. The women can handle the mental load more. They seem to not get as caught up in this is my real life. Like they can separate. This is television and this isn't real. The men can't. I've truly watched so many men on reality TV and been like, okay, but that's not your, that's not who you really are. This is who you pretend to be on TV and there's going to come a certain time where the lines are blurred. And you're going to go into a psychosis because who are you? I don't think you know who you are.

• 30:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's really unhealthy. I think the longer you stay on reality TV, the more your mental health and not from hate. Like take out like people that hate you. It's not even that. It's the mental health of filming a television show. Where you are truly pretending to be somebody that you're not. You're going to come for Taylor, Taylor Frankie Paul. Let me keep my foot on this man's neck. But you're going to sit, tell Colton that he can be on the number one television show? He was accused and convicted, admitted it, but we're pulling The Bachelorette? Please.

• 31:17Hannah Berner?

  And Colton stays catching strays.

• 31:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I'll never let that go. And when you have a stalker, I'm not kidding. It's you feel.

• 31:24Hannah Berner?

  It affects your everyday.

• 31:25Paige DeSorbo?

  You feel so violated just like being alive because you're like, this person is, it's really scary.

• 31:33Hannah Berner?

  The traitors too, after they filmed, like you're in this crazy like psychosis. So you'll literally be hanging out with someone and be like, are you a traitor? And you're like, oh wait, I'm not in that mindset. So when people do reality TV for like 10 years, they start believing.

• 31:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 31:47Hannah Berner?

  Especially when some people are edited.

• 31:51Hannah Berner?

  To be better than they are.

• 31:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Totally.

• 31:53Hannah Berner?

  So if you on TV are edited to be this great husband, or this charming, nice guy, with that, then the person actually in their real life believes that's who they are.

• 32:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 32:05Hannah Berner?

  And that's when illness happens.

• 32:07Paige DeSorbo?

  And when you have to tell a man, hey, you're not who you think you are.

• 32:12Hannah Berner?

  Well, it's crazy to have to tell a man, you're not who everyone here thinks you are.

• 32:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 32:17Hannah Berner?

  You're not who the entire public thinks you are. My TikTok is so savage. It said, no one will villainize you more than a person who realizes that you have clocked who they really are.

• 32:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Hundred percent, a hundred percent.

• 32:34Hannah Berner?

  Men, I think, can just see how you look at them.

• 32:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, men know when I don't fuck with them.

• 32:39Hannah Berner?

  Men, I mean, men know when I don't fuck with them. It's also like, I'm just disappointed.

• 32:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I've had.

• 32:45Hannah Berner?

  I'm not charmed.

• 32:46Paige DeSorbo?

  There's so many men that I've like, never been mean to, never had words with. My demeanor is, I don't fuck with you and like, you do nothing for me. And I've had them go completely off on me, like, and I'm a guy, I haven't even said anything. Like, I trigger, my presence and like, me being alive triggers you so much. I saw a thing that was like, if marriage was good for women, they would have taken it away from us a long time ago. And that's so true. I was at the gym the other day, literally, I'm the only person in there, there's one other guy.

• 33:19Hannah Berner?

  Humble brag.

• 33:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, Zoom 12 330. I'm, I literally, I have my headphones in, I turn off my music, cause I'm like, I need to be able to hear if this fucking guy is gonna come up behind me. Because he had his headphones on and he kept just repeating things. I just got freaked out and I was like, now I can't even listen to anything, cause I have to be aware. And I literally kept turning my head casually to see like, where he was, cause I'm like, in my head, I'm like, what if he takes a weight and just hits? In the back, my mom literally came into my brain. I was like, he's gonna hit me in the back of my head. He's gonna pull me out.

• 33:58Hannah Berner?

  And this is why we don't work out.

• 33:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like this is why I don't go to the gym.

• 34:02Hannah Berner?

  I do have to do a shout out. Um, this is our first ever women, woman in STEM of the week.

• 34:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 34:09Hannah Berner?

  There's a girl on TikTok who, to keep her burrito closed.

• 34:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Hannah Berner?

  She used her hair tie. And geniuses are all around us.

• 34:19Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, that's funny because I saw a TikTok the other day and it was a girl being like, why don't we use more of our pretty stuff? In our everyday lives. And it was her using her hair clip.

• 34:30Hannah Berner?

  So your algorithm.

• 34:31Paige DeSorbo?

  To like curl up her, like.

• 34:33Hannah Berner?

  Headphones?

• 34:34Paige DeSorbo?

  No, her like charging wires. And she just like clipped it with her hair clip. And I was like, cute. And then she like rolled up a bag of chips and she used like a barrette. And I was like, adorable.

• 34:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, I'm gonna start using all my pretty things that I like for other purposes.

• 34:53Hannah Berner?

  Well, you have so many little trinkets.

• 34:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I love a trinket. I love stuff.

• 34:56Hannah Berner?

  You love stuff.

• 34:57Paige DeSorbo?

  I love my stuff.

• 34:58Hannah Berner?

  See, I hate stuff.

• 34:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I love stuff.

• 35:01Hannah Berner?

  I feel weighed down by stuff. Like every three months, I need to like, get rid of all my stuff. Like all of it.

• 35:06Paige DeSorbo?

  See, I just love getting new stuff and putting it with my old stuff. And I love organizing my stuff.

• 35:14Hannah Berner?

  I don't like to organize my stuff.

• 35:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Makeup stuff with my makeup stuff and my hair stuff.

• 35:19Hannah Berner?

  Someone asked me like, when's the last time you washed your brushes? I was like, when I lose them, I get a new brush. Like, I've never washed a brush. My makeup brush.

• 35:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, someone's, I think we should do it. Somebody, I don't know if she DM'd me or commented something. I can't remember. I think she might have DM'd me, but she was like, I think you and Hannah should switch routines for one week, like your skin and hair care. And just see.

• 35:45Hannah Berner?

  When I tell you guys, I'm not capable. Like I've seen the military operation that is your skincare, hair care.

• 35:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd have a week off, funny.

• 35:54Hannah Berner?

  Like the way, it's called you just lying down.

• 35:57Paige DeSorbo?

  I just shower and that's it.

• 35:59Hannah Berner?

  And then when it's time to go to sleep, like, fight with yourself about can you brush your teeth or not? Cause you're so tired.

• 36:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Can I woke up at 6 a.m. today and I go, hmm. Maybe I'll do a face mask. Did a face mask, laid on the couch, put castor oil and a heating pad on my stomach as I got my period. Maybe that's why I'm so fired up today.

• 36:17Hannah Berner?

  Yep.

• 36:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Thanks. I got it yesterday. So.

• 36:22Hannah Berner?

  A red moon.

• 36:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, everyone, watch the fuck out.

• 36:26Hannah Berner?

  You're like, we're totally off.

• 36:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Are we?

• 36:29Hannah Berner?

  Like, we're not synced. What the hell?

• 36:31Paige DeSorbo?

  You wanna know what it is? I think my body is so sensitive that when I date the wrong person, my body truly will reject it. So like, I legit didn't get my period for like two years. I'm not kidding. It's like, it was actually really, really scaring me at one point. And I've never been more regular. I've never, since high school, I have not been regular.

• 36:52Hannah Berner?

  Wow.

• 36:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I am almost to the fucking day. Like, I had my period legitimately exactly twenty-eight days ago.

• 37:00Hannah Berner?

  Yes, we're into psychics, we're into astrology. I was about to say we're not woo woo, but like, I guess we kinda are. But sometimes, like, you're thinking about, like, what's within? Like, am I eating the wrong thing? I'm whatever. Look outside of you. Look at your environment. Is there a hater in your bed?

• 37:15Paige DeSorbo?

  No, like, you could go to the gym five days a week. You could eat all the fucking protein they tell you to.

• 37:20Hannah Berner?

  Work smarter, not harder.

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• 39:03Paige DeSorbo?

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• 39:48Paige DeSorbo?

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• 40:33Paige DeSorbo?

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• 41:05Hannah Berner?

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• 41:48Hannah Berner?

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• 42:00Paige DeSorbo?

  And I think the Taylor Frankie Paul thing is such a good example of like, who you choose to be with is life or death. It true, like I don't say that lightly, like it really is.

• 42:14Hannah Berner?

  What things about Dakota is a red flag to you that you've seen?

• 42:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, he lies so well. He's so good at, well, one, he's a good looking guy. So he's already. He's, yeah, I would say he's objectively a good looking guy.

• 42:32Hannah Berner?

  Sharp.

• 42:33Paige DeSorbo?

  He's got like piercing blue eyes, he's got brown hair, like he's got good facial features. I don't know how tall he is.

• 42:40Hannah Berner?

  But the truth is, is let me be honest, the ugliest guys can manipulate you. Like it doesn't matter if they're good looking or not.

• 42:46Paige DeSorbo?

  But in the public, like the public,

• 42:48Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 42:49Paige DeSorbo?

  if you're okay or not, is based on looks.

• 42:52Hannah Berner?

  If you have a decent jawline.

• 42:53Paige DeSorbo?

  He lies so impeccably well, it's terrifying. He's so extremely manipulative to everyone around him that you can see him almost be excited that people are believing him. Like he, there was a scene where he's sitting with her family and I'm like, oh my God, he's giddy because he just realized they believe him. And she beats herself down so much because they're like, the worst thing you could ever do is have like a baby with two men. Like that is one of the most deplorable, disgusting things I think I've ever heard in my life that like if a woman has a baby with more than one man, you're like, you should be crucified, like shut up.

• 43:37Hannah Berner?

  I think you should get some range. Let's mix it up, the DNA a little bit.

• 43:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Have a little whimsy.

• 43:43Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you can't just risk it all with one guy.

• 43:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I think this show is such a good example for like women in their twenties to not get married before 25.

• 43:53Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, we have to, I keep forgetting that they're Mormons and like.

• 43:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, it's just a good thing where, good example of like the way they tell you to live is only okay if it's the man.

• 44:03Hannah Berner?

  Well, isn't their religion very like the man is the head of the household where if I hear the words head of the household.

• 44:10Paige DeSorbo?

  One of their husbands did a confessional and was like, look, you know, our way of life is like that I'm in charge, but I'm not going to do that because I'm a nice guy. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

• 44:20Hannah Berner?

  The fact, okay, that

• 44:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Your wife gives you an allowance.

• 44:23Hannah Berner?

  That line, first of all, you're not a nice guy. If you have to say you're a nice guy, I'll say it a bazillion times. Also, if you disagree with the way your guys' lifestyle is and your religion, then get out.

• 44:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 44:35Hannah Berner?

  If you're still supporting it, you support it. But yeah, they're breeders. The girls are supposed to be breeders. So the fact that they're doing other things, all the men are going cuckoo bananas.

• 44:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, because they're not making the men's lives easier.

• 44:51Hannah Berner?

  But they are. They're bringing in tons of money for them.

• 44:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Maura Higgins did an interview one time and she was talking about how she dated a guy and he said to her, like, I make your life easier. And she said, really? How? And he said to her, why carry your bags? She was like, oh, my God, how did I live 33 years without you carrying my bags? Like, they're so delusional.

• 45:16Hannah Berner?

  It does remind me when I was in my early twenties, this guy was like obsessed with me when I was in my darkest point. Like, I was debating becoming a yoga instructor. I was like very lost. I was scared. I didn't have a purpose. I was pretty depressed and I was confused. And he was like, perfect. As I started figuring out what I wanted to do for a living and get career momentum, suddenly there's issues.

• 45:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 45:40Hannah Berner?

  And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, oh, people like me more when I'm successful.

• 45:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 45:45Hannah Berner?

  Little did I know that he was actually resenting me more.

• 45:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 45:48Hannah Berner?

  And I wasn't successful is a strong word. Like, I got a job. And I was like passionate about it and excelling at it. And it's, it's just ironic, but thank God he acted that way so I could get him out.

• 46:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Even when we started Giggly Squad, I was like seeing someone who was like, are you really going to do this? Like a little podcast? And I was like, oh, yeah, babe, just wait for it.

• 46:11Hannah Berner?

  Every now and then Instagram recommends threads to me, which is a scary place.

• 46:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 46:15Hannah Berner?

  Because some people are like just saying all their inner thoughts, which are mostly not healthy, but occasionally it's like informative. And one girl was talking about how many girls are in their 30s, where early 30s or mid 30s, where their career isn't where they want it to be yet, but they're feeling pressure to have a kid.

• 46:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 46:32Hannah Berner?

  And some of them haven't met a person that they want to settle down with to have a kid.

• 46:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the other thing. You're told like, have a kid, have a kid, get married, be a wife. And then you do it. And then all of society is like, ew, we hate you. So it's like you literally just tricked us into doing something and then you're gonna treat us worse. Worse. Like if someone was like, if you have a baby and you get married, like, people let you sit down on the subway and they treat you with like the utmost respect. Okay, cool, then I'll do it. They literally treat us worse, though. They're like, why are you working? You have a kid.

• 47:08Hannah Berner?

  They force you to have the kid, even if you're like, I can't have this kid.

• 47:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Remember when Whitney went and did Chicago? They were like, but you have three kids. It's like, okay, and there's another parent in the home.

• 47:21Hannah Berner?

  Also, isn't it so cool that those kids are able to see their mom living her dream? Like, how inspirational is that?

• 47:27Paige DeSorbo?

  And like showing up on Broadway and being like, that's my mom?

• 47:31Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 47:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, obviously.

• 47:33Hannah Berner?

  Obviously.

• 47:34Paige DeSorbo?

  God, are we just the only ones who freaking get it? Like, I can't.

• 47:38Hannah Berner?

  On a lighter note.

• 47:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Sure.

• 47:40Hannah Berner?

  I saw a tweet that said, I really thought Hammerhead Sharks would be more relevant. When we were growing up, they had some like media momentum. They were like doing well. Haven't heard about them? Like, they're out of the limelight completely. Did they just decide to like, go to a farm somewhere? Like, they used to be at every event.

• 48:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Their PR was like really good early 2000s. Well, think about Shark Week. Shark Week had like really good PR when it first came out.

• 48:10Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, people were like cancelling plans for Shark Week.

• 48:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 48:13Hannah Berner?

  Cause it was cable.

• 48:14Paige DeSorbo?

  That's what it was. We didn't have streaming.

• 48:16Hannah Berner?

  And streaming hasn't figured out a way to take Shark Week over.

• 48:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I think like, I'm good.

• 48:22Hannah Berner?

  There is a good documentary about how you can make friends with sharks.

• 48:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Let's just do more AI dinosaurs. Yeah, sure, guys. That's exactly how it went down. Like, I mean, what was that on Netflix?

• 48:29Hannah Berner?

  We're also at a point where like, now the world is so crazy that when I see something, I go, that's AI and it's not. Like, I'm reverse AIing myself. I'll be like, I'm not gonna send that to anyone that's AI. And people are like, it's not AI.

• 48:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Is watch parrots get haircuts. Cause I'm like.

• 48:45Hannah Berner?

  Is it AI?

• 48:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Who knows? Who knows?

• 48:48Hannah Berner?

  Wait, is that when they comb it back?

• 48:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like, so satisfying.

• 48:51Hannah Berner?

  You like that? Cause he looks Italian?

• 48:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I love the bob. I love a bob on anyone.

• 48:55Hannah Berner?

  A comfy bob.

• 48:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, yeah, all parrots should have a bob. Why wouldn't I? Daphne now ship it, ships internationally.

• 49:04Hannah Berner?

  Daphne ship it to Canada.

• 49:06Paige DeSorbo?

  But I want to shout out the Canadian girls because they're really the number one girls that were like, please start shipping internationally. And so I was like, we gotta work on this specifically for the Canadians. So you can buy Daphne now in Canada.

• 49:18Hannah Berner?

  Who did you have to call to get it to Canada? Like, how does that work? Katy Perry?

• 49:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, Katy, can you like, talk to that guy and see if like, I could just like, send some jammies? She's like, yeah, sure.

• 49:30Hannah Berner?

  But I was, it reminded me, I was thinking about how hard ice skating is.

• 49:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 49:35Hannah Berner?

  Can you ice skate?

• 49:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Um.

• 49:38Hannah Berner?

  Are you holding the rink on the side?

• 49:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Can I ice skate? I can, but I can't, I'm not like putting the skates on and just like getting out there. Like, I need like 10 minutes to like regain my, my bearings.

• 49:52Hannah Berner?

  Get the vibe.

• 49:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, but I took ice skating lessons as a child at some point.

• 49:57Hannah Berner?

  Oh, and also Albany, I feel like.

• 49:59Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, Kim.

• 50:00Hannah Berner?

  Well, it was girly. She wanted to see you in a little like.

• 50:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, she loved an outfit.

• 50:04Hannah Berner?

  Like, that is so fucking cute.

• 50:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Now she's a ballerina. I'm like, how about we sit on the couch?

• 50:10Hannah Berner?

  I did want to let people know though, that my mom was telling me a story and I realized I've been a delusional icon since day one. I've never ice skated before and I was like eight years old. And I get to the rink in Brooklyn, there's rink. And I see all the big teenage girls in the middle.

• 50:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 50:28Hannah Berner?

  Doing jumps.

• 50:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, and you're like.

• 50:30Hannah Berner?

  So I look at my dad and I'm like, I want to go over there.

• 50:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 50:33Hannah Berner?

  And he looked at me and he was like, you don't know how to ice skate. When you learn, you can go over there. And I go, mm-mm, I'm not skating with these fucking losers. Put me in the middle and let me go.

• 50:43Paige DeSorbo?

  It's either, is my hidden talent or it's not, Dad? Let's see.

• 50:46Hannah Berner?

  And he was like, you're gonna hurt yourself. You're like, actually, like, you'll get tackled. Like, they don't let, like, you can't go.

• 50:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 50:51Hannah Berner?

  And I was like, I'm not fucking ice skating unless I'm doing flips. And he was like, this is gonna, I fought with my dad for like 30 minutes. I'm like, I'm not, I refuse to learn the basics. And I just said, I'm a champion. I'm going to the Olympics.

• 51:05Paige DeSorbo?

  That is so you.

• 51:05Hannah Berner?

  That was so me and then I ended up not doing it because I was like, I'm not playing this game.

• 51:09Paige DeSorbo?

  It's interesting that you can probably see who your kids are going to become if you really just like take a minute.

• 51:14Hannah Berner?

  And in that moment, he probably was like, this girl's fucking crazy. But if you do that with the right thing, like me being like, oh, I'm just gonna do stand up in front of 500 people.

• 51:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 51:24Hannah Berner?

  That's mental illness. That's delusion. But even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then and I found my nut. And then you go. So guys, be delusional if you forgot.

• 51:35Paige DeSorbo?

  That's so funny you say that because my parents were like looking through old pictures the other day. They were like cleaning, I think they were like cleaning out our basement or something. I don't know.

• 51:43Hannah Berner?

  That's the best. That let it make my day. I love a clean out photo session.

• 51:46Paige DeSorbo?

  And I like died for baby dolls. Like I was a mother. Like I didn't play with anything else but a baby doll.

• 51:53Hannah Berner?

  Working three jobs to feed these children.

• 51:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Like Barbies, get out of my face. Like any figurines. I was like, you're stupid. Like Legos are dumb. Like I was a mother.

• 52:01Hannah Berner?

  Actually terrified of babies now, but I digress.

• 52:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Catch me in my play kitchen whipping up a meal. Like everything then I I thought I wanted.

• 52:11Hannah Berner?

  The water's boiling.

• 52:14Paige DeSorbo?

  But this is how I was the same. My mom used to say that if my dad came into my playroom and if like I was holding my baby dolls, if he kissed my, because my mom would say that like I used to be, that she'd be like, okay, kiss your baby. Like that's your baby. And I would like kiss my baby. And then if my dad kissed my baby, I would look at my dad and be like, why would you do that? I would get so mad. I'd be like, I'm your baby. This is, you don't know this doll. And that is.

• 52:44Hannah Berner?

  You in a relationship.

• 52:46Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, why would you text her? You don't know her.

• 52:48Hannah Berner?

  Did you look at that girl across the street?

• 52:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like.

• 52:52Hannah Berner?

  From a young age, you are who you are.

• 52:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, from a young age, I knew I wanted to beat men.

• 52:58Paige DeSorbo?

  I knew that they were up to no good.

• 53:00Hannah Berner?

  Speaking of beating men, this is why I'm crazy. I remember from a young age, my dad like always believed in me. It was like so proud of me, which like brought its own issues. But once like some kid was like, said he was fast and my dad goes, race her. He would make me race other boys in the school. Like that's, and at the time, that was just my life. That was my normal. So I'd be like racing another boy and I'd win and then he'd be like, yeah, my daughter just kicked your boy's ass.

• 53:25Paige DeSorbo?

  That's so funny.

• 53:27Hannah Berner?

  Like he had me racing random kids.

• 53:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. He's like taking bets on this.

• 53:33Hannah Berner?

  He's like 24, 24, 21, 24, 35, 35.

• 53:38Hannah Berner?

  I don't talk about this because I like to protect him, but my brother's actually like a star. He just didn't want the limelight, but he was always like the cute one, the charming one. And I was like, hi guys.

• 53:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:49Hannah Berner?

  So this is so Brooklyn, but we were like playing in the yard and like a Gap model scout.

• 53:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:58Hannah Berner?

  Was like looking for cute kids. You know how this is. You would have been picked immediately. They see my brother who's like blue eyed, gorgeous, like not too hyper.

• 54:08Paige DeSorbo?

  That's what it was. It was the kids that knew how to shut the fuck up is who got picked.

• 54:14Hannah Berner?

  That makes me feel better because my mom is talking to my dad like, oh, Daniel got picked. Um, and I'm like, did I get picked?

• 54:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 54:24Hannah Berner?

  She couldn't in her heart of hearts tell me I didn't get picked. So she lied to me, said I got picked. They let me wait in the line for photos. How sad is that? And then I came up and I was like, well, yep, guys. And they were like, get your daughter.

• 54:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay. But what a good example of like amazing parenting on your mom's part. Like you didn't know.

• 54:48Hannah Berner?

  I didn't know what I didn't know.

• 54:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. You didn't know that you weren't picked because.

• 54:52Hannah Berner?

  But she literally had to be like, hey, casting director, can my ugly daughter just like stand in the line and like she won't know?

• 54:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 54:58Hannah Berner?

  And I was clearly chatty Cathy, talking to everyone, causing disruption. And my brother, and my brother, he didn't want the stardom, but everyone wanted him.

• 55:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 55:09Hannah Berner?

  And I was just in the background, racing random people.

• 55:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I never knew rejection either. Like when I did that at model, like I, my mom never told me if I didn't get something. She'd be like, they canceled it. Like. Well, no.

• 55:21Hannah Berner?

  She goes, modeling is over.

• 55:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, she'd be like, you get to go to your Girl Scout meeting because they canceled it. And I'd be like, amazing. Like, I didn't know.

• 55:29Hannah Berner?

  Well, it's good for kids to have adversity, but it's bad for them to just like get their confidence hurt for like a stupid reason, like

• 55:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 55:36Hannah Berner?

  an agent liking a blonde better than you.

• 55:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the other thing that's just made me think of it with the Taylor Frankie Paul thing. People are like so going against her and rightfully so because they're like, there was a child in the video. Um, so the adult that leaked the video also has a child with this woman. So him leaking that video, he didn't, doesn't give a fuck what damage is done to that little girl now that that video is out for the rest of her life.

• 56:06Hannah Berner?

  And I hope that they can fucking heal and I hope that the kid can be okay.

• 56:12Paige DeSorbo?

  I think they should air The Bachelorette.

• 56:14Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 56:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, I don't get why they wouldn't.

• 56:16Hannah Berner?

  Well, also when they started this, it was because she went on TikTok and was telling everyone that all her friends are fucking each other's husbands. Like, let's just remember where it started. It wasn't her being like, she's always been doing things that are

• 56:32Paige DeSorbo?

  The first episode of the entire show is her getting arrested, like for domestic violence.

• 56:38Hannah Berner?

  People have showed me like, there's been so many physical altercations on reality TV that everyone just kind of was like, that's iconic. Like Ron, Ronnie and Sammy would beat the shit out of each other.

• 56:48Paige DeSorbo?

  There's so many physical altercations that also happen that they never air.

• 56:52Hannah Berner?

  Vanderpump, there's been, oh, yeah.

• 56:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Because they're like, this can't air, but like that happened.

• 56:56Hannah Berner?

  You just see people, people's reactions.

• 56:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, but a woman will get more in trouble for something she said than a man will for something he did.

• 57:06Hannah Berner?

  And a woman can say the same thing that a man said and be in more trouble.

• 57:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Uh huh. Are you kidding? A hundred percent.

• 57:13Hannah Berner?

  Verbatim.

• 57:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Verbatim.

• 57:16Hannah Berner?

  Verbatim. A lot of like nice boyfriends have been coming to my shows lately.

• 57:21Paige DeSorbo?

  That's nice.

• 57:21Hannah Berner?

  Like they want to be made fun of.

• 57:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:25Hannah Berner?

  They are, they are getting tickets for the girls. They're coming together. Like there's, gigglers have been finding good partners, I believe. I mean, Giggly Squad shows, remember? Like whenever we pick on a guy, we're always like

• 57:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, we're like, actually, this one was boring because you're so nice.

• 57:40Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 57:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:41Hannah Berner?

  Exactly. Well, anyway.

• 57:43Paige DeSorbo?

  I ordered Hannah's Dunkin' today.

• 57:44Hannah Berner?

  You did. Why'd you get me a Juicy Peach?

• 57:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Because...

• 57:47Hannah Berner?

  Because that's your nickname for me?

• 57:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, okay. Hannah, literally, I saw Juicy Peach and I was like, "That's Hannah." And then I saw Glam Berry and I was like, "That's me."

• 57:55Hannah Berner?

  That's your aura. That's our auras. You guys, thank you for giggling with us. I'm in Ohio all weekend, so check that. And Salt Lake City. So I'll, if, any Mormons?

• 58:07Hannah Berner?

  Thank you Dunkin' for sponsoring this episode and keeping us hydrated. Bye!

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