THE UNKNOWN: Meowing Nuns

During the Middle Ages, a French convent experienced an epidemic like no other—the nuns couldn’t stop acting like cats. The behavior was so strange it caused an army to intervene. But it’s not the only time in history a plague like this has affected nuns—which makes many wonder if it’s the work of the devil himself.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32Rasha Pecoraro?

  I love getting a little me-time. After a long morning of recording, running errands, doing chores around the house, or even socializing with family and friends, nothing feels better than curling up on the couch and binging my favorite comfort TV shows. Like The Kardashians, RuPaul's Drag Race, reruns of The Big Bang Theory, of course, and literally, anything on the Food Network. Don't get me wrong, I love the people in my inner circle and I treasure all of the time we spend together. But sometimes, this social butterfly just needs to be alone to recharge my batteries.

• 1:12Rasha Pecoraro?

  With that being said, there is a point where the isolation gets to be too much. When the loneliness starts to creep in, that's when I know it's time to get dressed, do my makeup, and get out of the damn house and off of the couch.

• 1:29Yvette Gentile?

  I could not agree with you more, but too much alone time can really mess with a person's head. I mean, people actually need friends and family and meaningful social connections. Because if you feel cut off from everyone else, it can actually have a physical effect on your body, triggering feelings of anxiety, problems with sleep, even heart disease. But some say that solitude can open the door for something even darker. That evil spirits or demons can take advantage of a person who's vulnerable and lonely. Maybe even possess them. Which apparently happened to a group of nuns

• 2:12Yvette Gentile?

  living in a French convent back in the medieval era. After they sequestered themselves away and they dedicated their lives to prayer and hard labor, they all felt an overwhelming and unexpected urge take hold of their bodies. Get this, they couldn't stop meowing.

• 2:34Rasha Pecoraro?

  I'm sorry, did you just say meowing?

• 2:37Yvette Gentile?

  Yes, Rasha, I said meowing. Everyone was convinced the nuns must have fallen victim to something demonic, something sinister, maybe even Satan himself. I'm Yvette Gentile.

• 2:54Rasha Pecoraro?

  And I'm her sister, Rasha Pecoraro. Welcome back to So Supernatural.

• 3:35Yvette Gentile?

  Today, we're talking about something that happened a long time ago, and it's not very well documented. The available information is just, let's say, pretty sparse. I mean, to the point that no one's even sure when or where this took place. Although, we do know it happens in a convent in France during the medieval era, or the Middle Ages. And those terms both refer to a period that began with the fall of Rome in the 5th century and ended with the Renaissance that began in Italy in the 1300s. And our story begins with a nun, one whose identity isn't known, so just for simplicity,

• 4:18Yvette Gentile?

  we'll be calling her Charlotte. And even though we don't know much about Charlotte's life, we can safely make one assumption: she's not happy. Because as a general rule, Catholic nuns in the Middle Ages aren't supposed to be happy. They're meant to dedicate themselves to serving God and Jesus and reject all of life's pleasures.

• 4:44Yvette Gentile?

  They take a vow of chastity and poverty. So even if they receive donations from the community, they can't keep it or buy nice things. And they can't even date or fall in love or, you know, most importantly, have sex. I mean, only godly Christian love to others is allowed. Plus, all day, every day, they have to do difficult chores. And this includes sewing and mending, visiting and caring for sick and dying people, and charity for the poor. Not to mention prayer. A lot of prayer. And yes, these are all good causes, but that is a lot of emotional labor.

• 5:28Yvette Gentile?

  And that kind of stuff can basically wear you down.

• 5:33Rasha Pecoraro?

  For sure. And to make matters worse, Charlotte's convent is particularly isolated. Again, we don't know exactly where in France it is, but records suggest it's far off the beaten path. There's a small village outside of the facility, but the nuns don't really socialize with the locals or form relationships with the people in town. Because again, they're not supposed to focus on worldly things. They're meant to spend all of their time and energy just thinking about God. So on top of all of this challenging work, Charlotte is well lonely.

• 6:15Rasha Pecoraro?

  Sure, she probably gets to know the other nuns in the convent, but it's hard to say if she gets along with them or if she is able to form deep, lifelong bonds. Needless to say, this takes a toll on her mentally. It's hard for her to focus on the Lord's goodness or to feel thankful for the few things she does have. Then one day, all of that negativity and frustration comes bubbling up to the surface.

• 6:46Rasha Pecoraro?

  Charlotte's at the convent with the others, silently meditating and thinking about God. The room is probably quiet. And that's when this sudden impulse comes over Charlotte. She feels like she has to shout or even scream. She's not sure what she wants to say, but she has to let it out. She literally cannot stop herself. Almost like some other being has taken control of her body. So she opens her mouth to let her frustrations out. But instead of yelling or screaming, she meows like a cat.

• 7:28Rasha Pecoraro?

  All of the other nuns turn to give her a weird look, like, uh, what the heck was that? But Charlotte is just as surprised by the noise as everyone else is. And when she tries to explain herself, words don't come out of her mouth. Instead, she meows again. Then it happens a third time, and a fourth time, and a fifth time. It goes on and on and on for hours. She sits there and makes cat noises, unable to produce any other sound. The other nuns think, of course, this is super weird and concerning. They don't know what's wrong with Charlotte, but they realize they have to do something.

• 8:13Rasha Pecoraro?

  So a couple of sisters step aside from the rest of the group to discuss what's going on. But when one of them opens her mouth to share her thoughts, a giant meow comes out of her mouth, just like Charlotte.

• 8:30Yvette Gentile?

  And you gotta think, it's completely involuntary. She's not at all trying to mock Charlotte or anything like that. It's like she does not have full control of her body. And the really weird thing is, every time this nun makes a meowing sound, Charlotte does too, at the exact same time. And each time she pauses to catch her breath, Charlotte is also silent. They're perfectly in sync with one another. It's like they rehearsed it. Except, of course, Charlotte and the other nun couldn't have planned something like this without the rest of the convent knowing it.

• 9:10Rasha Pecoraro?

  But if you can believe it, it gets even stranger. Because a short while later, a third nun joins the meowing, then a fourth one does. Soon, it spreads throughout the entire order. Our sources don't say exactly how long this takes, but we know sooner or later, every woman in the convent joins the cat choir. And sources note, it was an unusually large convent for the Middle Ages.

• 9:42Yvette Gentile?

  And at that time, these facilities typically had only a dozen residents. But the big ones have five times that much. So we can assume there are as many as, I don't know, 60 women all meowing together in unison. It makes me think of a flash mob, right? When people are singing and dancing at the same time. So to see this happen is a bit bizarre.

• 10:09Rasha Pecoraro?

  Totally bizarre. And if you've ever been a part of a flash mob, or a dance team, or a show choir, you know how hard it is to get a few dozen people to move or sing together. Even trained and dedicated performers need a lot of practice to get it just right. So you can only imagine how much harder it would be to coordinate 60 women of all ages, backgrounds, and ability levels to meow together in complete synchronicity. And yet, for hours, they meow and even purr at the exact same time.

• 10:49Rasha Pecoraro?

  Then, at a certain point, they'll stop. Then, they just start back up again at precisely the same second.

• 10:58Yvette Gentile?

  Plus, they're super loud. If dozens of women are all meowing together, the noise is going to carry, right?

• 11:05Rasha Pecoraro?

  Right.

• 11:06Yvette Gentile?

  So, all through the village, the meowing echoes up and down the streets. It's so noisy, the locals can't help but notice it, which alarms them for a few reasons. Aside from the fact that the synchronized meowing is, okay, let's just say, super weird. It also makes people very nervous, and mainly because the negative associations that they have with cats. There's a reason why we associate cats, especially black ones, with witchcraft. And it's because, in the Middle Ages, many people started believing in familiars.

• 11:47Yvette Gentile?

  The idea was that if someone wanted to become a witch, they'd have to sell their soul to the devil and agree to serve him. In exchange, Satan would give them certain gifts, including magical powers and evil spirits who'd help the witch to do wicked deeds. These spirits, called familiars, could take the form of an ordinary animal. That way, if someone saw a witch talking to their familiar, they wouldn't immediately realize they were witnessing dark magic. They might just assume she was just an ordinary woman talking to her pet. Familiars could look like, basically, they could look like mice, insects, dogs, but

• 12:32Yvette Gentile?

  the majority of the time, they resembled a cat. And for this reason, medieval people tend to be very suspicious of anyone who seems a little too attached to their feline friends. Give your fur baby an extra treat or come across as overly affectionate, and your friends and neighbors would likely accuse you of dabbling in the occult. I gotta say, people know that I am a witch because I am talking to my dog Peanut all the time.

• 13:06Rasha Pecoraro?

  Same here.

• 13:07Yvette Gentile?

  So I must have been a witch back in the day.

• 13:09Rasha Pecoraro?

  I think we definitely both have familiars in our lives.

• 13:16Rasha Pecoraro?

  Now, to be clear, nobody actually thinks these particular nuns are witches. But there are a lot of superstitions around cats and anything associated with them. So when the nuns start making cat noises, pretty much everyone assumes only one thing could be behind all of this. It has to be the devil himself.

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  Hi, I'm Ashley Flowers.

• 14:18Speaker 05

  And I'm Britt. And if you're on the edge of your seat listening to this show, Crime Junkie needs to be your next listen.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  Every Monday, I dive into a new true crime case that our reporting team has been on the ground looking into. From lesser-known disappearances to the most chilling cases hitting the headlines, and I'm gonna walk you through it the way I tell my best friend, because, well, that's what I'm doing.

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  Yeah, that's me. And I'm right there with you as we listen together, react to every wild detail, and of course, I ask all the questions.

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• 15:12Yvette Gentile?

  During the Middle Ages, a nun in a French convent, who were called Charlotte, began meowing uncontrollably. Eventually, her condition spread to the other sisters, until everyone was meowing in perfect unison. It was so strange, the locals assumed the nuns were possessed by the devil himself. After all, this wouldn't be the first time Satan and his demons apparently attacked, sequestered nuns. Stories like this were actually pretty common in the Middle Ages.

• 15:46Rasha Pecoraro?

  Take this one from a convent in Cambrai, France. It's in the northern part of the country, about 60 miles from the border of Belgium. Records say, one day in 1491, some or all of the nuns in Cambrai began acting strangely. Some of them collapsed and twitched around like they were having seizures. Others started predicting the future, which is a big deal, because fortune-telling is strictly forbidden in the Catholic Church. And get this: Some of the nuns began uncontrollably barking like dogs. Unfortunately, the records don't say

• 16:30Rasha Pecoraro?

  what ultimately happened to the nuns at Cambrai, or how they resolved this particular possession, but it does sound undeniably familiar.

• 16:41Yvette Gentile?

  Yes, I mean, it sounds so familiar. It reminds me of the episode that we did on the Salem witch trials, when the girls were all having these same type of symptoms. You know, and that, when I think about that episode, they were eating something called ergot, which was in the wheat. So it makes you wonder if these nuns were eating something similar, right? The story is just so bizarre, like we don't know actually what's happening. Well, here's another mysterious account from the Middle Ages in 1550. Once again, it took place in a convent. And this was somewhere in the county of Horn, which sits right on the border of modern-day Belgium and the Netherlands. In this story,

• 17:24Yvette Gentile?

  the events began when the nuns started finding odd white balls, almost like little insect eggs or seeds. And they were scattered throughout their sleeping chambers. But nobody knew where they had come from or what they were. And then one day, a short while later, a sister found a sick old woman limping into the church. The woman asked for help to get closer to the fire so she could warm up. But when the nun got up to help her, the old woman just vanished right in front of her eyes. When the nun told the others what had happened, they all slowly admitted, one by one,

• 18:05Yvette Gentile?

  they'd all seen the same old woman walk into the convent and then disappear. And this happened multiple times. From there, the activity escalated. And late at night, residents would wake up from a deep sleep to the feeling of something touching and even tickling their feet. Before they could react or process what was even going on, those invisible hands yanked them out of their beds and dragged them across the room. Or they'd actually levitate upward. Once the nun found herself five or six feet up in the air, the levitation would abruptly stop,

• 18:49Yvette Gentile?

  and she'd come crashing down to the ground.

• 18:53Yvette Gentile?

  Other women felt something biting or scratching them as they went about their day. But when they looked around, nobody was nearby. They'd end up with bruises and scabs and scratches. Then eventually, the nuns lost control of their bodies altogether. And according to reports, the women would run out of the convent, climb the nearest tree, and then crouch in the branches. Although they weren't meowing or purring, everyone thought they were behaving exactly like...

• 19:27Yvette Gentile?

  Well, cats! And church officials investigated the strange behavior and realized a woman from the town had put a black cat in the convent. The authorities claimed this was proof that the woman, along with seven other people in town, were practicing witchcraft. So they arrested her and tortured her to make her confess, until she died.

• 19:57Yvette Gentile?

  But the possession didn't end there. The nuns continued to suffer from attacks, levitate and climb trees like cats, for three more years. It's unclear how the nuns eventually broke free of this evil or even supernatural force. Rasha, this reminds me so much of the possession cases that we've covered. Take, for instance, the Gary, Indiana Demon House, Clarita Villanueva. I mean, she even had burn marks and scratches, you know, on her body from the possession.

• 20:32Rasha Pecoraro?

  Yeah, I vividly remember those cases, and it does sound eerily similar. Well, the next story we want to tell you is actually very well documented. It's known as the Luton Possessions. They began in 1632 in Luton, France, over 300 miles southwest of Cambrai. Sixteen nuns called it home, and they spent their days caring for the poor and doing charity work. But that all changed in the fall of that year, when several of the residents began having intense nightmares. These weren't just ordinary bad dreams. Each morning, the nuns would compare notes

• 21:16Rasha Pecoraro?

  on what they had dreamt the night before. And they realized they were all having the exact same dream, in which the spirit of the same departed priest spoke to all of them. He said he was in some kind of trouble and needed help, but none of the nuns knew how to assist him. A few days after the dreams began, some of the nuns started hearing voices. Others reported that some unseen entity had shoved, hit, or even scratched them, and they had bruises and injuries to prove it. Reminds me a lot of Clarita Villanueva, for sure.

• 21:57Yvette Gentile?

  Very much so.

• 21:58Rasha Pecoraro?

  Things came to a head, though, when a few women began acting very strangely. As in cursing, flashing strangers, contorting and wiggling around, which are all classic signs of demonic possession. So the next move was for church officials to send exorcists to help the women. But no matter how many rituals they performed or how hard they worked to cast out the dark spirits, the attacks continued. These exorcisms did accomplish one thing, though. During the rituals, the priests asked the nuns if someone specific had sent the demons to torture them.

• 22:41Rasha Pecoraro?

  And each nun gave the same answer. A priest named Urbain Grandier was practicing black magic, and he was responsible for the possessions. Now, Urbain wasn't formally affiliated with the convent. Only women were allowed to live and work there. But he was the priest at a Catholic church in Luton, and the local nuns did know him. So on the strength of these accusations, Urbain was tortured and then burned at the stake. But again, that wasn't the end. Even after Urbain's death, the nuns continued having troubling dreams, seeing strange visions, and collapsing in seizure-like fits.

• 23:28Rasha Pecoraro?

  The church ended up sending more exorcists to battle the evil spirits. And three long years passed as the problem persisted. Finally, in 1637, the officials performed an exorcism that seemed to work. The strange symptoms stopped, the nuns declared they were finally at peace, and life in the convent went back to normal at long last.

• 23:57Yvette Gentile?

  Okay, well, that's the very brief version of the story. But there were more wild twists and turns that Ashley actually covered in her episode on the topic. And we're going to link it in the show notes so you can go back and listen to that episode. The point is, throughout the Middle Ages, it wasn't unheard of for nuns to have these strange, seemingly paranormal outbursts and experiences. They suffered inexplicable illnesses and apparently survived supernatural attacks. In fact, it happened so often that once every 10 or 20 years, news would break out about Satan attacking yet another holy order.

• 24:41Yvette Gentile?

  Which may not be surprising, given that many Christians believe vulnerable people, especially lonely people, could be more defenseless to possession.

• 24:53Rasha Pecoraro?

  Well, at the time of the meowing epidemic, the people of the French village have heard enough stories to think the devil must be behind this apparent possession too. But they also agree on something else. If Satan is behind the meowing, these simple villagers are not equipped to take him on by themselves. Instead, they apparently notify the higher-ups in the Catholic Church.

• 25:22Yvette Gentile?

  Now, sources are unclear on how quickly religious authorities respond. But we know the villagers are anxious to resolve the situation. Because while they wait for officials to send an exorcist, they also ask the police if they can help. The officers agree to take on the challenge, but they want to make sure that they're as prepared as possible to face off against the devil. So they recruit as many men as they can to help them out, even calling for volunteers from the surrounding countryside. Eventually, they build an army, and all of their troops march right to the gates of the convent,

• 26:05Yvette Gentile?

  where they still hear the meowing echoing through the hillsides. The head police officer shouts that he and his men are prepared to fight the nuns, and even physically beat them unless they quiet down.

• 26:23Yvette Gentile?

  And just like that, the meowing stops. All of the nuns regain control of their bodies. They're able to talk using their own voices, and after that day, none of them feel a compulsion to make cat noises ever again. It's almost like the police literally scared the hell out of the nuns and just sent Satan running.

• 26:53Rasha Pecoraro?

  Which, as we know, is not typically how possessions work. In fact, threats and physical violence have been known to make possession cases even worse. History is full of instances where exorcists tried to weaken demons by starving the possessed person, tying them up, or even physically abusing them, which almost never goes well. For example, in 2005, a priest in Romania believed a local nun was possessed because she said the devil was speaking to her. Mental health experts said she needed professional treatment, but the priest ignored them.

• 27:38Rasha Pecoraro?

  Instead, he tied her up and withheld food and water while he performed a lengthy, multi-day exorcism.

• 27:48Rasha Pecoraro?

  Except he never managed to cast out the demon. Instead, the nun became severely dehydrated and suffocated on the gag he'd left in her mouth. The most tragic part of this story is that it's not an isolated incident. There are many reports of people dying during exorcisms. Often vulnerable people, like those with mental health conditions, or even children. Which is why a lot of people today, including current religious leaders, say exorcisms should be handled with the utmost of care. Often, they should be treated as a last resort.

• 28:32Rasha Pecoraro?

  Something priests shouldn't attempt until therapy, medical treatment, and every other possible solution has failed. And many leaders say these exorcisms don't have to be violent at all. Exorcists should be able to cast out dark spirits simply by praying, praising God, and blessing the affected person.

• 28:57Yvette Gentile?

  And yet, this story seems unique. All it takes to stop this supposedly demonic activity is a threat from local law enforcement? I mean, the whole thing is so confusing that it actually takes centuries for anyone to make sense of what happened. But in the 1700s and 1800s, researchers start looking back into the Miyawaki nun case. And based on their findings, they conclude that the solution might lie not in demonology, but in psychology after all.

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• 30:10Speaker 04

  Hi, I'm Ashley Flowers.

• 30:11Speaker 05

  And I'm Britt. And if you're on the edge of your seat, listening to this show, Crime Junkie needs to be your next listen.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Every Monday, I dive into a new true crime case that our reporting team has been on the ground looking into. From lesser-known disappearances to the most chilling cases hitting the headlines. And I'm gonna walk you through it the way I tell my best friend. Because, well, that's what I'm doing.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's me. And I'm right there with you as we listen together, react to every wild detail, and of course, I ask all the questions.

• 30:41Speaker 04

  And I'm gonna have the answers, because we have case files. We're talking to detectives and family members. And we're gonna stay focused on the facts.

• 30:48Speaker 05

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• 30:54Speaker 04

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• 31:06Rasha Pecoraro?

  During the Middle Ages, a group of nuns living in a French convent found themselves meowing uncontrollably and in perfect synchronicity. They didn't stop until a group of soldiers gathered and threatened to beat them up. No one was able to make sense of it until the 1780s. By that point, at least 300 years had gone by. That's when a researcher named Johann-Gayor Gritter von Zimmerman began studying the psychological impacts of extreme isolation. So he gathered a bunch of historical accounts about strange things that happened to people when they were cut off from society.

• 31:50Rasha Pecoraro?

  And he found references to the meowing nuns. These weren't firsthand accounts from the people that actually were involved with the case. But allegedly, somewhere along the way, someone heard about what happened and wrote the story down, which was short and lacking in detail.

• 32:09Yvette Gentile?

  As of today, the source of this account has been lost to time. Still, Johann found the case unforgettable. And when he wrote a book on the negative effects of loneliness, he talked about the meowing incident in it. Except Johann doesn't think the nuns were possessed. Instead, he claims they were meowing uncontrollably due to the extreme stress of isolation, which made them behave erratically. Now, we have to acknowledge that although he's a doctor, Johann's conclusions may not be the most reliable. When he writes about loneliness, he also makes some very sexist comments

• 32:53Yvette Gentile?

  about how women are supposedly mentally weaker than men. And we all know that is not true. And he says, this is what he says, "Women are more susceptible to stress, more likely to develop mental health conditions, and worse at managing their feelings." Which, for the record, isn't true, like I just said. In fact, in 2021, a journal called European Psychiatry published a Spanish team's review of several clinical studies. And they all said the exact opposite. That women tend to be better at processing their emotions and feelings in a healthy way.

• 33:37Yvette Gentile?

  So Johann's theory is wrong. And it's still unclear what made the nuns meow together, or why they even stopped.

• 33:47Rasha Pecoraro?

  But another researcher brings attention to the mystery about 50 years later, in the year 1844. That's when a translator named Benjamin Guy Babington collects old stories about pandemics, then publishes them in English. His book covers various disease outbreaks throughout the Middle Ages. And one of the incidents he covers is the meowing epidemic. The problem is that Benjamin doesn't offer any theories about what could have caused the meowing epidemic, just that it happened. Which means Johann's assumption that the nuns were all stressed and experiencing some sort of psychological reaction is still the only scientific theory on record.

• 34:33Rasha Pecoraro?

  And while I agree Johann's theory has its problems, there could be a grain, maybe a tiny little grain of truth in it. Many psychologists today think anxiety was a major factor in the Meowing Nun incident, specifically that the nuns could have been suffering from a condition called a mass psychogenic illness, otherwise known as an MPI.

• 35:01Yvette Gentile?

  In simple terms, an MPI is a contagious mental health condition. They happen when a group of people are dealing with the same stressful situation and are all feeling socially isolated. And it's typically sparked by one individual who was under so much pressure, they develop physical symptoms. Things like seizures, uncontrollable twitching, or falling into strange trances. First, one person falls sick and then maybe their close friends or loved ones may also be experiencing the same symptoms. Exactly like what you expect if they were exposed to a contagious physical illness.

• 35:43Yvette Gentile?

  Only, MPIs aren't spread by viruses or bacteria. They're spread through empathy. When you're already anxious and you see someone you love gets seriously ill, it can add to your stress. You start feeling what they're feeling, right?

• 36:02Rasha Pecoraro?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:04Yvette Gentile?

  Which in turn makes you more susceptible to developing the same symptoms yourself. And these conditions only infect people who are under the same kinds of tensions. Meaning, you could bring in someone from outside the community and they'd typically be completely unaffected. And when it comes to the Meowing Nuns, the theory goes that all of the women in the convent were strained and unhappy. The conditions, as we know in medieval convents, were not great. But it's also worth noting that many women who became nuns, they didn't choose that life.

• 36:47Yvette Gentile?

  A lot of times, a young woman's parents would actually force her to join a convent. Because, there are many reasons, but one could be, they couldn't financially support her, or they didn't think she was capable, you know, to find a good man or have a good marriage, or she wasn't obedient enough. So just imagine, you're a young woman with your whole life ahead of you, and then your parents tell you that you'll never date, you'll never get married, you won't make good money, or follow any of your dreams. Instead, you have to dedicate your life to God, even though you may not even be religious at all.

• 37:32Yvette Gentile?

  Then, you're sent far away from your friends and everyone you know. You have to live in a remote village, and you're not allowed to make friends with anyone outside the convent. You're not allowed to make your own money, and you have to do, I mean, you have to do hard labor every day. And there's no reason to expect that that will ever change. And of course, you are going to crack under the pressure, which may be exactly what happened to Charlotte.

• 38:04Rasha Pecoraro?

  As we heard, MPI's have seemingly happened in convents before, and they've been mistaken for possessions. But take this story from Normandy, France. It is a more notable example of how stress and trauma could cause something like this.

• 38:23Rasha Pecoraro?

  Between the years of 1642 and 1647, the nuns there reported a lot of strange incidents that may sound all too familiar by now. They were under a lot of stress, they couldn't sleep at night. And then one day, a bunch of them walked out of the church together after a worship service. And without warning, the entire group collapsed and began having seizures. Initially, people probably thought they were dealing with some kind of physical illness, maybe even a demonic possession of some kind. But, when officials talked to those nuns, they learned something even more disturbing.

• 39:06Rasha Pecoraro?

  Several priests who worked at the convent had been sexually harassing the women there. They'd forced them to perform chores while the priest was naked. And one priest even impregnated a sister. Another priest had even told the nuns they couldn't step foot in the church or worship unless they took all of their clothes off. According to the nuns, this inappropriate behavior had led to them compromising their own morals. They believed this, in turn, allowed dark spirits to attack the convent.

• 39:45Rasha Pecoraro?

  Now, evil demons were trying to seduce them every night and making them sick every day. On the strength of this testimony, some of the priests and a nun were charged with witchcraft. They were convicted, and one of the priests was even burned at the stake. The nun was imprisoned in an underground dungeon and given bread and water every other day until she died. Then, the rest of the nuns were assigned to other convents so they could get a fresh start. By 1647, the problem had apparently gone away. No one was having seizures anymore, nobody was tossing and turning at night, dealing

• 40:29Rasha Pecoraro?

  with feelings of anxiety. Their symptoms were gone. But it had nothing to do with the supernatural. Instead, it had everything to do with the stress and trauma these nuns were experiencing at the convent at the hands of the priests.

• 40:49Yvette Gentile?

  Now, removing them from the situation did help the symptoms for these nuns. But most doctors agree, MPI's are very difficult to treat.

• 41:00Yvette Gentile?

  In fact, there is no known cure. And often, after an outbreak, the patients will feel better after getting therapy. But there's no guarantee it will work. And it doesn't work quickly. Today, it helps for patients to feel psychologically safe and supported. And then they can begin learning how to manage their stress in a helpful way. And usually, with a mental health professional. On the other hand, researchers have found that if you make a person with an MPI feel more anxious and uncomfortable, their symptoms don't go away. You can't scare the person into getting better.

• 41:43Rasha Pecoraro?

  Which is why some people think the meowing nuns couldn't have been suffering from an MPI. Instead, other theories have been proposed over the years. One theory says the nuns could have been faking the meowing epidemic. Especially if they were unhappy with their lives in the convent or just bored of their day-to-day routine. They might have begun meowing as a prank or even just to amuse themselves. Or, they may have been trying to indirectly bring attention to a problem they couldn't solve on their own. Like the nuns in Normandy who were sexually harassed and assaulted. Another theory says that the nuns

• 42:25Rasha Pecoraro?

  might have felt powerless and wanted to rebel against authority. So they all started meowing together and pretended the sound was involuntary so they wouldn't get in any trouble. Then, they stopped misbehaving once they faced actual, serious consequences. Others say this whole story never even happened at all and it's just an urban legend.

• 42:50Yvette Gentile?

  Ultimately, we may never know the truth about the meowing nuns. Which also means we can't concretely say what caused the phenomenon. But the past doesn't always leave us with, as we know, tidy answers. Sometimes, it just leaves us with echoes of lingering questions.

• 43:13Rasha Pecoraro?

  But maybe that's the point. What did survive wasn't the reason why they were meowing. But these women stuck together in the face of confusion. They were in unison, voices rising. As strange as it was, this was their shared experience. And even if they weren't understood, they were definitely heard. And they did leave a lasting impression on history.

• 43:56Yvette Gentile?

  This is So Supernatural, an AudioChuck original, produced by Crime House. You can connect with us on Instagram at So Supernatural Pod and visit our website at so-supernaturalpodcast.com. Join Rash and me next Friday for an all-new episode.

• 44:16Yvette Gentile?

  I think Chuck would approve.

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