Murder on the Galapagos? Island Utopia Spirals into Death and Disappearances

A 19th-century island experiment founded by two nature-loving Germans goes from Gilligan's Island to Lord of the Flies when an entitled and eccentric heiress moves in. Sources for this episode include: Satan Came to Eden: A Survivor's Account of the "Galapagos Affair by Dore StrauchFloreana by Margaret WittmerThe Galapagos Affair: Satan Came to Eden (Documentary)“An Unsolvable Mystery: Captain Hancock and the Case of the Quarrelsome Castaways” (PBS) Keep up with Killer Stories! Instagram: @killerstoriespodTikTok: @killerstoriespodX: @killerstorieshq Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:06Harvey Guillén?

  There's this idea that if you just get far enough away from people, life gets easier. Fewer opinions, fewer problems. It's the same fantasy every time. Start over, somewhere clean, quiet, untouched paradise. But that's not really how it works. Isolation doesn't make conflict go away. It turns the volume up. Because when you're stuck with the same small group of people, everything gets personal and nothing ever really blows over.

• 0:49Harvey Guillén?

  That's exactly what happened on Floriana, a remote island where a few people tried to live in perfect isolation and quickly learned what happens when you can't get away from each other. I'm Harvey Guillén, and this is Killer Stories.

• 1:32Harvey Guillén?

  What comes to mind when I say the word Galapagos? Maybe Charles Darwin and his finches? Or possibly some really old tortoises? Or a bunch of iguanas sunbathing on the rocks? Waves crashing down around them? Well, whatever it is, I'm assuming it's not half-baked utopian societies or murder mysteries. But I'm here to change that. Let's begin. The Galapagos are off the coast of Ecuador, which is famously on the equator. So all of the islands have a really tropical climate. And there are a lot of them. Well, over 100, actually, in fact. But for the most part, today's story takes place on one of them.

• 2:17Harvey Guillén?

  This one here, Floriana.

• 2:21Harvey Guillén?

  It's not one of the biggest islands, but as you can see, it's in the top 10. And has a cool name that sounds like a Pokémon. So, you know, "I choose you, Floriana." And you know who else chose Floriana? Dr. Friedrich Ritter. He's at the center of today's case. I'm gonna call him Fred. I don't think he'll mind. In June 1929, Fred hasn't made it to Floriana. He's a doctor, working in Germany. An unconventional woo-woo doctor. You know, the kind that believes you can cure illness with your mind. You know the type. Fred is also married, which is inconvenient for him because Fred is having a serious affair

• 3:05Harvey Guillén?

  with one of his patients. A younger woman named "Door Stroke." As in, when one door closes, another door opens. Because yes, Fred's not the only married one. Door is too. And ever since they've fallen in love, they've dreamt of leaving their respective partners and doing something really crazy. Running away from all of the world's problems and starting a new life on a deserted island. Which maybe sounds like a fantasy that you shared with someone in your life that you love. How romantic. But the difference here is Fred and Door actually make it happen.

• 3:47Harvey Guillén?

  They say goodbye to their families, their careers, their homes, most of their belongings, and on the 4th of July, they set sail for Floriana. A deserted island halfway across the world. It's a long journey, with a layover in Ecuador, before they take a tiny ferry to their destination. And once that ferry disappears, they are alone. Desperately alone.

• 4:19Harvey Guillén?

  But that's the point. Their vision is rooted in naturalist ideals. They want to live in tranquil isolation, in paradise, to peacefully coexist, to survive off the land, grow their own food, build their own shelter, and say goodbye to the problems of the modern world. Which, to be fair, isn't doing so hot. The stock market's about to crash in America and kick off the Great Depression. The Women's War is about to break out in Nigeria, Africa. Conflicts are escalating in Asia between Japan, China, and the Soviet Union. In Europe, Hitler's gaining more power by the day. And another world war seems almost inevitable.

• 5:00Harvey Guillén?

  So, yeah, I understand Fred and Dor wanting to get away. We all do, right now. Understand. The beginning is exactly what you'd expect. Lots of exploring, getting the lay of the land. They build a shelter, gardens, plant the seeds they brought with them from Germany. Fred and Dor are vegetarians, so meat literally isn't on the table. But they do bring a donkey with them, and they catch some chickens for eggs. And they bask in what I call the honeymoon period. Spoiler: it's short. Now, every once in a while, other people will show up to Floriana,

• 5:43Harvey Guillén?

  like passing fishermen or scientists conducting research. So there are opportunities for Fred and Dor to communicate with the outside world. They drop letters in a wooden barrel on the shore, hoping visitors will take and deliver them. It's a very old and slow system. It was developed by whalers, but it works. And the letters Fred and Dor send back to their families in Germany are how we know about early days in Floriana, like how Fred and Dor end up at each other's throats.

• 6:19Harvey Guillén?

  Most of their relationship problems stem from one simple fact. Surviving on an otherwise deserted island is backbreaking work. Fred is 43 years old and Dore is in her late twenties. But Dore has multiple sclerosis, a chronic autoimmune disease that causes weakness, fatigue, and balance issues, among other things. Her MS is the reason she went to Dr. Fred in the first place. So they wouldn't have met without it. But on Floriana, it means Dore struggles to keep up with the physical labor and Fred's expectations around it. See, Fred has this mantra, "Paradise cannot be found, it has to be created."

• 7:04Harvey Guillén?

  But to Dore, it feels like he's really just saying, "There are no breaks in paradise, babe." And their inability to see eye to eye leads to a whole lot of tension, made worse by the fact that there's no one around to crack a joke or act as a mediator, which would be totally fine if it ended there, but it doesn't. One of the recipients, or one of the sailors delivering the letters, lives for drama, honey, because the letters get leaked to the tabloids.

• 7:39Harvey Guillén?

  I don't know if it's a slow news cycle or what, but yeah, Fred and Dore's little adventure on Floriana makes a big splash in Europe. The stories are outrageous and salacious. They're all about how an eccentric German doctor and his young, hot mistress moved to an exotic, faraway island to become nudist cavemen. And I'm quoting that last part. Others call them the Adam and Eve of Floriana. All in all, the headlines go out of their way to make things sound as strange as possible, which shouldn't affect Fred and Dore at all. I mean, why would they care? They're so far away from it all.

• 8:21Harvey Guillén?

  Except, there's one big problem. The tabloids reveal their secret location. And not everyone thinks Fred and Dore are crazy for what they're doing. Some people think it's pretty cool. Enter some people. A small nuclear family named the Whitmers.

• 8:46Harvey Guillén?

  By August 1932, Fred and Dore have been toughing it out on Floriana for more than three years. And one day, they see a boat. But it doesn't look like the ones they're used to, because it's not. It's carrying a German family of three: Heinz and Margaret Whitmer, and their 13-year-old son. Yes, they are now children on this island, and yes, they are here to stay. And, oh, I forgot to mention, Margaret is pregnant. Now, given ongoing tension, you might think the Whitmers would be a sight for sore eyes for Fred and Dore.

• 9:29Harvey Guillén?

  You know, finally, a little company, someone who can take a side during a fight. But that's not the case. Quite the opposite. Life in Floriana has been hard enough as it is. The last thing they want is three new mouths to feed, washing ashore with another one on the way. So no, the Whitmers don't receive a big, warm welcome. There is no celebration. Fred and Dore are basically like, um, yeah, I guess you can have some seeds if you want, but we're thinking you should probably live in that really great, great, great, great cave we found. It's like a two-hour hike away from here, so we'll be neighbors, but we'll just be very, very, very distant neighbors. So yeah.

• 10:13Harvey Guillén?

  The tabloids jumped the gun a little on the whole cave thing, but the Whitmers actually do become cave people. And even though they both claim their own respective spaces, Fred and Dore still end up resenting the Whitmers, because the family seems to have a lot of needs. They ask for a lot, like Fred's help delivering their newborn baby when it eventually comes. So to Fred, it becomes increasingly clear that the Whitmers came to the island expecting to be guests, which is not the vibe Fred wants for his paradise. But Fred and Dore are still committed to their dream anyway. New guests be damned.

• 10:58Harvey Guillén?

  About two months after the Whitmers arrive, Fred and Dor look up and see a woman running a donkey in their direction with two men walking beside her. The woman looks like she's in her 40s and the men look like they work for her. She looks completely out of place in the wild. When she reaches Fred and Dor, she introduces herself as Baroness Eloise von Wagner Bosquet from Paris. She extends her hand out to Dor, expecting it to be kissed, which understandably makes Dor's blood boil. I mean, I get it, but who does this woman think she is?

• 11:40Harvey Guillén?

  But wait, then Baroness Eloise says she came to Floriana to build a hotel for millionaires.

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• 13:50Harvey Guillén?

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• 14:24Harvey Guillén?

  In October 1932, the island of Floriana and its strange experimental society gets a whole lot more crowded. There are now three camps of people. One, the idealistic nature people, Fred and Dor. Two, the wholesome family, the Whitmers. And three, the eccentric heiress, Baroness Eloise and her two male sidekicks. In total, there are seven adults, one 13-year-old, and a newborn baby on the way. Which should be manageable, right? I mean, they have an entire island to themselves. There's no shortage of space. But the problem is Eloise.

• 15:05Harvey Guillén?

  She has a personality that makes 66 square miles feel small. And what's worse is she embodies everything Fred and Dor intentionally left behind when they came to Floriana in the first place. Ego, privilege, wealth, modernity. It's like fate is playing a cruel joke on them. The only silver lining is that the external drama kind of deflates some of the tension in their relationship. Nothing brings people together like a common enemy. In their very first conversation, Eloise tells Fred and Dor to run and fetch her tea.

• 15:48Harvey Guillén?

  And she does this as she takes a load off in their chairs that they brought themselves. When it comes to setting up camp, she chooses a spot right next to the Whitmers, in an area the family had specifically carved out as their own. And then, then she goes and bathes in the spring they use for drinking. The list of complaints goes on and on. She demands that Fred and Dor share the limited supplies. She steals rice that's meant for the Whitmers, AKA to feed a pregnant woman in her third trimester. And she doesn't seem to care. She feels entitled to everything. Then there's the two men Eloise brought with her.

• 16:32Harvey Guillén?

  And no one really knows their story. Eloise says they're her business partners. They're there to help her build the hotel. One's an engineer, the other's an architect. But they don't act like partners or equals. They carry her things for her and generally attend to her needs. And there's a weird sexual undercurrent going on between them, all three of them. Fred and Dor assume there's something physical or romantic going on, but they could also just be reading into things out of frustration and delirium. After all, their dreams are coming apart at the seams. They came to Floriana to build a utopia, and now they're entertaining a real housewife.

• 17:17Harvey Guillén?

  And that reality TV comparison is more accurate than you might think.

• 17:24Harvey Guillén?

  Remember how Fred and Dor's letters attracted lots of press back home? That might be a part of what attracted the Baroness. At some point, Eloise starts writing her own letters back home, using a pseudonym. And it's almost like she's impersonating her own Hollywood agent. The letters basically say the same thing. "New starlet lands on Floriana. Everyone pay attention." Which feels super weird, super desperate, and also super confusing. Like, is she there to build a hotel or launch a career? Both? No one knows for sure. But they quickly find out she's more than just a walking magnet for drama. She's unstable.

• 18:09Harvey Guillén?

  And maybe even... dangerous. One day, two outside hunters arrive on the island. Like I said, it's totally normal for ships to sometimes stop. It's never caused any problem before, but this time Eloise is around and she throws an absolute fit. After the two hunters shoot an animal, she starts screaming about how everything on this island belongs to her. She then takes one of her so-called business partners and chases the men down with loaded rifles. They end up catching the hunters, tearing their clothes off, and threatening to shoot them on the spot.

• 18:52Harvey Guillén?

  Luckily, the hunters escape with their lives. But it's scary to witness. Fred and Dor are so disturbed after the encounter that they tell the governor of the Galapagos what happened. And there's an investigation into the matter, but that somehow ends up with Eloise officially securing four square miles to build her hotel, plus open access to the Whitmers' freshwater spring. And to add insult to injury, the Baroness then starts calling herself "The Empress of Floriana" with a straight face.

• 19:31Harvey Guillén?

  Now, how does she manage to do all of this? I don't know. But Eloise seems to have a lot of sway when it comes to men. She knows how to use and abuse them. Literally. Now, what do I mean by that? Well, it's time to formally introduce you to one of Floriana's residents. His name is Rudolph, and he is one of Eloise's business partners. Rudolph has been pretty quiet so far, but one day, he shows up at Fred and Dor's doorstep, hoping to talk. He looks completely ragged, exhausted, hopeless, and it's bad.

• 20:13Harvey Guillén?

  It's been about four months since he first arrived on the island, and he spills the tea about everything that's been happening at the Baroness's camp. Plus, he drops a bombshell about her past. Rudolph tells Fred and Dor that the Baroness Eloise isn't a Baroness at all. They first met in Paris, and at the time, she told him all kinds of wild stories about her past, about her life as a dancer, her time as a spy. None of it really made sense or added up, but Rudolph didn't mind because he was in love with her.

• 20:54Harvey Guillén?

  And importantly, his love had nothing to do with her wealth or connections. As far as he could tell, she didn't have much of either. She did, however, have a husband. Rudolph and Eloise opened a small boutique in Paris behind her husband's back. They hired someone to work as a salesman, and that person was Robert, aka Eloise's other so-called business partner. Rudolph says that the three of them really did arrive in the Galapagos hoping to start a business, but things quickly spiraled out of control.

• 21:35Harvey Guillén?

  Eloise pushed Rudolph away. Now she treats him like dirt under her shoe. She threatens him. She forces him to perform all the manual labor, to wait on her hand and foot, pour her water, remove her shoes, like he's a servant, all while Robert and her watch. And this goes on day and night without rest. He can't take it anymore. His hands are bruised and scabbed. He's a shell of the man he once was, but he doesn't know what to do. Eloise and Robert have guns. He's scared of what they'll do if he tries to leave.

• 22:18Harvey Guillén?

  So he tells Fred and Dor he plans to endure the abuse until the next ship comes. Then he'll make his escape. Unfortunately for Rudolph, Mother Nature has other plans. After his confession, a terrible drought hits the Galapagos. In March 1934, temperatures skyrocket to 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the shade. Freshwater springs dry up, animals drop dead. I'm talking rotting corpses littering the island, the smell of decay festering in the sun. It's bad.

• 22:59Harvey Guillén?

  Things shift from Gilligan's Island to the back half of Lord of the Flies. It's a new level of survival mode for everyone. And they're more isolated than ever because ships aren't sailing by the island anymore, which means there's no chances of gaining extra supplies and there's no opportunity for escape for Rudolph. Poor Rudolph. At some point, Fred and Dor start hearing cries coming from Eloise's camp in the middle of the night. And they don't know for sure, but they assume it's Rudolph getting beaten. They just don't do anything about it because they're afraid of getting hurt themselves.

• 23:42Harvey Guillén?

  The good news is Fred and Dor aren't the only camp on the island. There's also that wholesome German family living in a cave. The Whitmers, who by the way are now four because their baby arrived last January. So the total count on the island is nine. The Whitmers are brave enough to stick their necks out for Rudolph. They're like, "We won't stand for the abuse anymore. We don't care how Eloise reacts, Rudolph. You are coming to live with us." And Rudolph does live with them. It just doesn't last long. Eloise finds Rudolph and begs him, begs him to come back. And Rudolph eventually caves, which becomes a pattern.

• 24:26Harvey Guillén?

  Rudolph always returns to the Whitmers, sometimes hours, sometimes days later, battered and exhausted, and Eloise always wins him back. It's a violent cycle that lasts all the way up until a particularly memorable night.

• 24:45Harvey Guillén?

  Fred and Dor wake up to a scream echoing across the island. It's different from the cries they've heard before. Blood curdling. It's so unnerving that Dor questions if it's real. She thinks she could be delirious from the heat, except Fred says he heard it too. And once again, they decide to keep to themselves. Don't investigate. Don't ask questions.

• 25:16Harvey Guillén?

  A week passes before Fred and Dor see anyone else from the island, which isn't unusual, but they're a little surprised when their first visitors are Rudolph and Mom Whitmer, aka Margaret. Margaret almost never comes to Fred and Dor's camp, so it's strange that she showed up, but not nearly as strange as the story she tells. Out of the blue, she's like, "Oh, and by the way, thought you should know that Eloise and Robert left Floriana. Yeah, they sailed to Tahiti. Yeah, they changed their minds and they're probably gonna build a hotel there instead. Some of their friends picked them up in a yacht."

• 25:58Harvey Guillén?

  Really? A yacht? We're just gonna ignore the blood-curdling scream? Fred and Dor don't buy it. Something shady is clearly going on with Margaret and Rudolph. They're not convinced Eloise is still alive, but let's put a pin on the fake Baroness for a second and talk about the population of Floriana. It's gone from two... to five... to eight... to nine... and now, it's down to seven. For reasons that feel unbelievably suspicious. And... we're still not done. Before the year's up, it'll drop... again.

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• 27:44Harvey Guillén?

  It's March 1934. Eloise, the abusive fake Baroness who nobody likes, and Robert, her former employee turned conspirator and probably lover, are gone. They left Floriana. They sailed to Tahiti on a friend's yacht after they decided they wanted to build a hotel somewhere else. Sure, their homestead and all their things are still there, exactly as they left it, but that's because they left in a hurry. They'll be back for it. They put Rudolph in charge of the camp until then. That's all, according to Margaret Whitmer. If you have a hard time believing that story, you're not alone. Fred and Dore are listening to all this, and their minds immediately jumped

• 28:27Harvey Guillén?

  to that blood-curdling scream. They're thinking, "Something bad must have happened to Eloise and Robert." First of all, Margaret's story sounds really rehearsed. Second of all, what do you mean a yacht? There hasn't been a ship in weeks, and they somehow didn't see a yacht roll up to the island? And third of all, why wouldn't Eloise and Robert bring anything with them? And if Rudolph is supposed to be protecting their stuff until they return, why is he peddling it?

• 29:02Harvey Guillén?

  Yeah. Rudolph, who is suddenly much happier, basically hosts a yard sale with Eloise's things. And when Dore is like, "Uh, what happens when Eloise comes back?" You want to know what Rudolph said? "Don't worry. There's no danger of that." Not anymore.

• 29:24Harvey Guillén?

  Does that sound like a man who believes Eloise is with friends in Tahiti? Or does that sound like a man who thinks Eloise is six feet underground, in an unmarked grave? Fred and Dore think the latter is more likely. But Fred and Dore also never liked Eloise, and they're still dealing with that drought. Food and water are hard to come by. They need the extra supplies, so they decide not to ask questions they don't want answers to. It's Lord of the Flies. The conch shell is broken. Pillage and move on.

• 30:04Harvey Guillén?

  Weeks pass before rain finally falls again on Floriana. It returns in April, and life gets a little easier. But... The first boat to arrive on the island doesn't come until July. And by that point, Eloise and Robert have been gone for months. Which poses a problem, because the boat is carrying a reporter who came all the way from Sweden to meet the Empress of Floriana. Dun dun dun! Can you imagine being that reporter? It's a shame they didn't have cellphones. A text would have saved him a lot of trouble. "Eloise not here, don't get on that boat, so hot. By the way, do I look good with bangs?"

• 30:49Harvey Guillén?

  Ah, smiley face, tongue out. Anyways, don't book your trip. The reporter gets the same far-fetched story Margaret told Fred and Dore, which he thinks is weird. But he can't really do anything about it, so he and his ship's captain prepare to leave. And when Rudolph asks if he can come with, the captain agrees. He says he'll take Rudolph as far as Santa Cruz. He can hop on a different ship from there. So Rudolph will finally get to escape.

• 31:21Harvey Guillén?

  Now, as happy as they are for Rudolph, Fred and Dore are kind of sad about him leaving. He's one of the few people they formed a connection with, so they decide to have one final lunch together before he sets sail. And this is where things go from murder mystery suspicious to eerie, almost otherworldly suspicious. At some point, Rudolph apparently stops eating and tells Dore that he's afraid. He doesn't know why, but he's worried about his trip back home, of getting on board the ship with that reporter. And Dore says she feels that too. There's something weird in the air.

• 32:03Harvey Guillén?

  But they both put their feelings aside, say their goodbyes, and pretty soon, there's just six residents left in Floriana. Fred, Dore, and the Whitmers. By November, that number turns to five.

• 32:24Harvey Guillén?

  After that terrible drought, Fred and Dor's crops never really recover properly. So their hunger gets to the point where they sacrifice their vegetarian values and eat their chickens. And, is it an ironic? Fred eats meat once, and he dies from a violent case of food poisoning one day later. Yes, Fred dies. And it apparently happened really fast. But wait, I'm not done. Around the same time, two decomposing bodies wash ashore on an island 60 miles north of Floriana. And I know what you're thinking. It's Eloise and Robert.

• 33:09Harvey Guillén?

  Well, I thought the same thing, but nope, it's not. It's Rudolph and the captain who was taking him to Santa Cruz. So I guess when Rudolph said he was afraid to get on the ship, he was right to be concerned. Did he know he was going to die? Did he hold back from telling Dor everything he knew? Maybe, maybe not. But the reporter who left with them made it back to Sweden. So whatever happened, happened after he got dropped off. It's just one more mystery that brings our final character to Floriana. His name is Captain Hancock,

• 33:53Harvey Guillén?

  and he wants to get to the bottom of what's really going on on the island. Hancock is a sea captain who's been to Floriana before. He's stopped there on his travels, taken an interest in the residents. And a few months ago, he got a strange letter from Fred. Fred had written it after Eloise and Robert went missing. He alluded to there being a lot of mystery and intrigue on the island.

• 34:22Harvey Guillén?

  But Fred didn't mention any specifics. Fred just said he'd fill him in next time he'd come to visit. Then Hancock got a call about two bodies washing ashore. So he arrives to Floriana with a lot of questions. But he can't ask Fred, can't ask Rudolph, can't ask Eloise or Robert. And there lies the biggest obstacle to actually solving any part of this bizarre mystery. Aside from personal letters written while they were on the island, we only have the accounts of the survivors, meaning Dorr and the Whitmers. The vast majority of the story I just told comes almost exclusively from their accounts,

• 35:06Harvey Guillén?

  which means you have to question everything about Eloise and Robert, Rudolph and the Whitmers, and about Fred. Did he really die from food poisoning? And if he did, why didn't Dorr get sick? They ate the same chicken. Maybe when Fred wrote that letter to Captain Hancock about mystery and intrigue on Floriana, he was talking about more than two people disappearing. You know how Dorr suspected that the Whitmers might have had a hand in Eloise's and Robert's disappearance, aka murdered them? Well, that suspicion goes both ways.

• 35:49Harvey Guillén?

  The Whitmers don't trust Dorr when it comes to Fred's death. Dorr claims she shared a heartfelt moment with Fred on his deathbed, but Margaret Whitmore's account says the complete opposite. She remembers Fred using his last drops of energy to write a message to Dorr that read, "I curse you with my last dying breath."

• 36:16Harvey Guillén?

  So hmm, yeah. Hmm, me thinks that Fred and Door's relationship problems never went away. And maybe food poisoning was just a case of good old, regular poisoning. I wish I had the answers. Unfortunately for us, the detective on the case, Captain Hancock, isn't really a detective at all. He's just an eccentric, rich guy who made it big in the oil business. He liked to sail and thought the hippies living in Floriana were kinda interesting, but he doesn't solve anything. He assumes Rudolph and the captain who washed ashore died in a storm at sea.

• 36:58Harvey Guillén?

  He takes Door's word that Fred died of food poisoning. He doesn't really weigh in on the others. And no official investigations ever take place. So, we're left with a bunch of loose ends. Eloise and Robert never reappear in Tahiti or elsewhere. And the Whitmores never change their story about the yacht that took them away. But shortly after Hancock's visit, Door moves back to Germany. The Whitmores become the only residents of the island and never leave. Instead, no joke, they start a hotel on the island, like the Baroness was planning.

• 37:43Harvey Guillén?

  And it's still there to this day. You can't make this stuff up, folks. You can't make it up. At the beginning of the story, we talked about the fantasy of paradise. The idea that if you just get far enough away from people, everything gets quieter, easier. Floriana was supposed to be that place. A clean slate, a Garden of Eden. But paradise doesn't fall because of snakes or forbidden fruit. It falls because people don't stop being people. And for a moment, paradise really did exist on Floriana. Long enough for everyone to imagine someone else was the problem.

• 38:30Harvey Guillén?

  So maybe the question isn't...

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Whenever fall comes back around, it always feels like a fresh start. This year, I've been layering in some styles from the new Lululemon fall drop, because the weather is shifting and I find I have to be ready for the entire day and not just one part of it. Lululemon's fall line has some really versatile transitional pieces, so I can just wake up, throw on a matching set, add a jacket or a fleece, and head out, knowing that I'll feel comfortable enough to go wherever the day takes me. Check out the new fall arrivals in-store and online now at lululemon.com.

• 39:02Harvey Guillén?

  What went wrong on the island? But whether people were ever meant for paradise at all?

• 39:12Harvey Guillén?

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