Reviews: C8 Grand Sport and Lambo Temerario; Flock returns!

Matt Farah reviews the all new C8 Corvette Grand Sport and compares is to the Z06 as well as the new base model; he also tells of his week in the blistering Lamborghini Temerario (the good, bad, the mud flaps); Zack Klapman discusses Flock's PR nightmare regarding its inability to read license plates; and Q&A answers questions including: Do economy cars look TOO edgy? Are used car salespeople STILL sus? Which of these 3 dreams cars to sell? M Roadster vs 2008 Vantage Roadster automatic Does this make fancy cars look cheap or vice versa? Soft road build: RX300 or Rav4? Pivotal childhood road trips? Why did Polestar leave but Waymo's Zeeker stays? How to Road America Choose: a car with a steering wheel on the ceiling or pedals all mixed up The perfect car for long Utah trips is... Why are restomods so expensive? And more! Recorded July 23, 2026 The TST hoodie jackets: https://www.thegrottomenswear.com/thesmokingtire/ Tickets to our LIVE show at the Irvine Improv are going quick! https://improv.com/irvine/event/the+smoking+tire+live+feat.+smith+and+sniff+with+matt+farah%2C+zack+klapman%2C+richard+porter%2C+and+jonny+smith/14213624/ DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Avants https://avants.com/tst use code TST for 10% off your membership! Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:45Matt Farah?

  of the new C8 Corvette Grand Sport, as well as the new Lamborghini Temerario. In-depth reviews of both of those cars, plus I have an amazing story with a life lesson, and we're gonna start with more Flock. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S. In partnership with Dream Giveaways, we're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity, and you don't have to buy any merch, it's a straightforward entry process.

• 1:28Matt Farah?

  So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. We have to start the program. Quick correction. I'd like to issue a quick correction from a previous program. Got something wrong. I believe in accountability, believe in admitting and correcting when you get something wrong, and I am about to admit and correct that I got something wrong. When we talked about the Flock thing with Joel,

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56Matt Farah?

  And by the way, there's a slight update to that, which we can segue into right quick. I said that he was pulled at gunpoint and handcuffed. Neither of those are accurate. He was surrounded by cop cars, he was got out of the car, and he was detained, but he was not, the guns were not drawn.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14Matt Farah?

  And so, my bad, got the facts wrong, apologize. Want to get, make sure that people have the right information. So, can't go back and change the episode retroactively, but for those regular listeners, that's how it goes around here. My bad. But their, Flock did have a follow-up, you know, Joel ended up getting

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35Matt Farah?

  Folks from, from Flock on the line. Couple different ones, actually. And I read his follow-up piece, and you should too, on the drive. I think they, I think they're doing a thing over there. I think they keep changing the title of the same headline in order to make people think it's a news story, but it isn't. Which is a thing that websites do, and I don't think Joel is doing that, it's not his problem. But, um,

• 3:05Speaker 01

  They're using the same picture.

• 3:06Matt Farah?

  They're using the same.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  I'm looking at two different articles on the same site.

• 3:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10Matt Farah?

  So, but, you know, they, they basically, the representative from Flock pretty much said, you know, the system, the system worked perfectly, it's that the cops inputted the data wrong. And also, you know, representatives, you know, were talking about how complicated it is, all these different license plate formats and all that. Nobody ever brought up that, given the fact that there were so many different license plate formats, that there should be maybe extra training, or maybe a higher level of scrutiny within Flock to screen for potential accuracy against the, against the police reports and whatever,

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  before nationwide, you know, alerts are sent out for plates.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 3:59Matt Farah?

  No sense of really self-awareness there whatsoever. Shocking, I tell you, from a tech company.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Very, very surprising.

• 4:05Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Why not test while doing? I was trying to find the quotes from the PR and the CEO, because they were, they were different.

• 4:13Matt Farah?

  And by the way, another journalist was stopped.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  Driving a fucking, driving a Range Rover. So the exact same thing that they said was gonna happen, happened. So, it was actually really surprising in this article, that the person who was talking, I forget if it was a police person or a Flock person, where the, the person is talking about the irregular license plate formats, and what a challenge it is to read them and report them. And it's, it's one thing for a regular person, on, you know, you pick 100 people down, walking down the street, and start asking them about irregular license plate formats, and most of them are gonna have absolutely no idea. Or go, oh yeah, the dealer ones, they look a little different, or, or whatever, but

• 5:01Matt Farah?

  that's not their job to know. Of course, that would be hard. If you're a fucking cop, if you're a cop that is responsible for inputting license plates into a system, that's in your goddamn job description.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, but I think, so, so Flock's PR response, this is from, what was the guy's name, Josh Thomas. So he said, quote, "The way the machine learning works is it correctly read what it was supposed to read. It was fed those characters, 34DTM, and it spit out as a result with the characters 34DTM. It was asked, can you find this? And it did find that. It just didn't say, if there's more here, then don't do it." End quote. So, they, you know, they didn't feed in the little letters in the middle, or the characters in the middle. The system didn't think to ask about those. And then, like, look, I'm

• 5:56Speaker 01

  not trying to, like, blindly defend the police officers, but if they were handed a piece of paper in a meeting that says, "Look for this car, the license plate is 34DTM," and if Flock didn't say, "This might be a dealer tag," and if they don't know it's a dealer tag, then no one has the information until they're literally looking at it.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Now, the last line of defense would have been, if they see this car in the Flock camera in their area, and then the police pull up behind it, and they go, "Wait, that says 34, but there's some extra letters in the middle."

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  You know, now maybe they could have approached this investigation a little calmer, instead of the four, four-car swarm.

• 6:29Matt Farah?

  Exactly.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  But, basically, I'm saying if there's no photo evidence given to the officers, it was just text, which seems like it was also given to the Flock camera, which is bad.

• 6:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Like, there are numerous holes in this system, where there need to be more places to input information.

• 6:43Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yes. And also more, the, it's, it's the, it's the brain rot that comes with, like, the rest of the use of AI. You just assume it's gonna work correctly, and then go full hard at whatever it spits out.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  True.

• 7:01Matt Farah?

  Like, it's the same shit that happens with fucking dumb lawyers, you know, you end up reading a legal brief that says, like, "Claude said," or what, you know what I mean? Or whatever the fuck in it. They're using AI because they, because it's easy, it's, it makes you not have to think, it does the hard work of decision-making and thinking for you. And, and it's pitched as this sort of superhuman intelligence, when in reality, it's a slick-talking, kind-of-shitty search engine. Just like all the other fucking search engines are kinda shitty, and full of the garbage inputs that are human garbage inputs.

• 7:42Matt Farah?

  But it repackages them as this sort of superintelligence, that is way too easy to outsource your entire fucking brain to. That sucks. I mean, if you're, if you're gonna, like, put people in a potential life-or-death situation, which Joel was not in a life-or-death situation, but a cop suggested to him that if he was in a different city, he would have been in a life-or-death situation, potentially. If you're gonna do, and, and we know that, that roadside stops are potentially life-death situations.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 8:22Matt Farah?

  More so, depending on what you might look like, or how you might be presenting yourself.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  True.

• 8:27Matt Farah?

  Random luck that they picked a dude who looks like Joel, driving a fucking Range Rover, this time.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:33Matt Farah?

  Um, but like, dude, there's gotta be way more scrutiny. Way, way, like, and there's, I don't, I mean, I think the system appeared, Flock just sort of appeared.

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't want to say that it wasn't like voted into, but it seems like these kind of like crazy surveillance apparatuses just are sort of appearing without being like discussed or voted on first.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, I mean, this PR person continued, this is from the article, quote, "A human entered this into the system and a human didn't put enough information into the system. The system made a read and the outcome was a problem, but the steps to get there were riddled with errors of human making mistakes," end quote. So, that is a very clever way to blame humans.

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Which, okay, fair, but what he's doing is not blaming the AI, not blaming the system, not blaming Flock. It's like, see, humans are the problem. You're like, well, if, as we, as people have said for years now, if AI is only as good as the information that it is given, either given or scrubs.

• 9:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Then, is it, it is not perfect. And then, is it not superior to a human because it doesn't have eyeballs that are good enough to notice the difference in these plates? So then, therefore, if the system is always flawed by the human input, then is it not going to be inherently flawed?

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:54Matt Farah?

  It is going to be majorly flawed. My trainer, who I love, has a little fucking chatbot on his phone and he runs a lot of his life through it. And the number of times I have heard this thing spit out straight garbage, it's like 50%. 50% of the times this dude tries to use this thing, it just spits out things that are not tru- not true and garbage. I like, how often does this thing have to fuck up for you to decide that it's not a good idea?

• 10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's, there's ways to use the tool. And especially when, you know, this is a, Flock is a system that all it's supposed to do is have cameras that look at stuff and send information. You think, like, it's not trying to write a screenplay, it's not also trying to compose music.

• 10:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  And if it can't, you know, take visual data from its cameras, look at a license plate, which is a very simple, legible thing, you know, the ticket cameras use it, like the fucking, you know, uh...

• 10:50Matt Farah?

  Yes, they do.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  You know, what's it, Fast Track, they use it. If these can't just look at that and go, "Oh, this has extra letters which could say FBI, they could say Gov, they could say, you know, any of these other special plates that exist in this country."

• 11:02Matt Farah?

  Look, as someone who has received...

• 11:03Speaker 01

  And it can't do it, that's ridiculous.

• 11:04Matt Farah?

  As someone who's received a ticket in the city of Los Angeles with a dealer plate that is formatted just like this, trust me, the camera can read it.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  Right. A good camera can read it.

• 11:16Matt Farah?

  A camera can read it. It doesn't need a human, like, a camera can tell what that plate says. Like, the ca- the, the, the software should have been able to tell the difference between these plates.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:32Matt Farah?

  And if not, a fucking human should have been able to look at the plate and go, "Guys, this format of license plate refers to up to 100 plates." Those numbers go from 0, 1 to 99.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 11:50Matt Farah?

  You can get 100 plates that look just like this. Do you know how the plates go on different cars? That's the point of the plates? Like, do you realize the net you're casting of people to fucking pull over when you do that math out?

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:07Matt Farah?

  It's crazy!

• 12:08Speaker 01

  You know, and if we're gonna hand the responsibility to AI, so, so Flock could say that the person who entered it, maybe their form has an area for these special characters and they didn't do it. This person was lazy and was like, "Oh, I'm not sure, you know, what 34 means or whatever, I'll just enter this." The Flock camera should have seen what kind of plate it was and then spit back like, "Wait, we need to get this extra information."

• 12:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  It's very essential. Uh, it's so silly.

• 12:33Matt Farah?

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• 14:47Matt Farah?

  One more time, www.joindelete.me/tire, code tire. The quote says, "An alert from one of its cameras does not equal probable cause." It's like an alarm going off doesn't necessarily mean, doesn't mean that there's necessarily anything there. So, it's, it's, they're, they're trusting the cops to decide what to do when there's an alert on this, which is, I mean, ultimately, that's...

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Well, that's probably a piece of that, sure.

• 15:17Matt Farah?

  Probably, partially right, but if that's, but they're, but they're also taking no responsibility for the idea that their system essentially, if you input a small amount of garbage, it effectively spreads mass disinformation to the police who are then put on a manhunt for this, for this. Like, that's the worst possible kind of disinformation. It's like mass swatting at random.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, but it's, it's sharing a headline without reading the article.

• 15:48Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  I mean, the number of times you go to Reddit and it's like, you know, the responses are, "Did anyone read the article?" It, you know, it is the opposite of what you think it is based on the headline.

• 15:57Matt Farah?

  That, uh, I don't need to go to Reddit because that's when I post that I've written something for Rodent Track, you know, on Instagram or something and just the head, you know, it's the headline of the article. People respond to the headline of the article without reading it very frequently.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Ooh, so the police did respond. Police Chief Fadden said there are 8,000 different license plate formats across the country. A police officer can't be expected to be familiar with every single one.

• 16:24Matt Farah?

  See, I, so, look, I agree. Here, how about this? How about this fucking Chief Fadden? Let's have them familiar with the top five or six formats that are used, okay? Outside of your normal six-digit plate. How about that? You don't need to know all 8,000, but you see dealer, distributor, and manufacturer plates all fucking over the place. Those are huge plate formats.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  I think they might be huge in our world, but I don't know if they're huge. Dealer, dealer I bet is the most common.

• 17:00Matt Farah?

  The dealer format is just like this. The, the menu, you've seen dealer plates, you've seen manufacturer plates. They are the same, just one says DLR on the bottom and one says MFR. But those aren't, the MFR, those are not a part of it. It's the numbers, dun dun, vertical, vertical, they're the same.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:19Matt Farah?

  It's like, that is like the second most common license plate format other than like regular. For real! That's, that's commonly, commonly used. I don't buy that excuse that, "Oh, I don't know, you can't know every one." You can know the three or four biggest ones.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Again, I would have to Google, "What are the three or four biggest ones?" Like, you know, because out here we've got, uh, what are the Department of California or whatever, where like, there's no registration on it because it's clearly a government vehicle. So, it's like, police, police cars have it and like, general city workers have it. Like, that's a format change, it's fewer numbers.

• 17:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  So, I don't know, but, um, what do they say? They said something else.

• 17:57Matt Farah?

  But, but you, I just, I just don't buy that somebody who is, who uses license plates in their work, the way that cops use license plates. Think about how important license plate numbers are to a cop.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they run your, anytime they're behind you, they run your plate.

• 18:14Matt Farah?

  That's such an important part of your job, license plates to cops. Imagine, like, imagine you and I didn't know how to fucking put a GoPro into 4K. You know what I mean? Like, imagine we didn't know how to do some like real basic ass shit that someone who does our job would have to do like multiple times a day, every day. Come on. Like, that's such a bullshit excuse. It's, that's sad to me.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Well, I think they're saying, you know, they don't need to know it offhand, which I would agree with, but they went on and said that if a police officer had entered 34 DTM without the extra number 10, they would have caused the same problem without Flock. That's true, I guess, probably true.

• 18:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  But I imagine, and I would hope, that a police officer would see that extra number because their eyes are better than the Flock camera.

• 19:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  And they would go, "Oh, this is a crucial piece of information." And then it would come back with a specific car or something like that.

• 19:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But no, it's important, we have technology with no guardrails.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:12Matt Farah?

  Very important, so that like 12 people can be so rich.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:16Matt Farah?

  I'm so glad they're so rich, though. You know, it's very important.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  But think about how...

• 19:20Matt Farah?

  It inspires me to maybe one day be that reckless, to be that rich.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Think about the future absence of traffic, uh, of traffic that won't happen because protests will be dissolved because they can track you everywhere you go.

• 19:34Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  So, you won't be inconvenienced.

• 19:36Matt Farah?

  Never.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Driving around on your way to buy things.

• 19:38Matt Farah?

  Which costs 25 times as much.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:41Matt Farah?

  For no apparent reason.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, right. So, anyway, that's that. Cars. Grand Sport embargo is today.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  You drove a couple of them.

• 19:50Matt Farah?

  I drove a couple, but the Grand Sport embargo is today. And I've been holding that in my pocket for a couple of weeks now because I went to Idaho to drive it because I had a theory, which I explore in my article for Road and Track, that you find good roads near dams. And so I went to explore a few dams in the 2027 Corvette Grand Sport.

• 20:18Matt Farah?

  This has the new engine, 6.7 liters. It's got an extra 500 cc's. They don't like to say cc's because it's America.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:28Matt Farah?

  It's a four, this is a 409 is what they want. That's what they want you talking about.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  409 cubes.

• 20:35Matt Farah?

  I shit you not, it's, it says there's no replacement for displacement in the fucking marketing for this thing. It is a big, it's a big beefy fucking V8. I, I'm, I'm pretty sure it is the largest displacement gasoline V8 on sale right now. I think.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  I think 409, 409 was a song and I think it was about a Chevy engine that was in Impalas.

• 20:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, something like that, yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Uh, that's funny.

• 21:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  They're like, remember this song from 70 years ago? That's our marketing.

• 21:05Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, this is, it's a, this one was a very boomer color scheme with the white, with the blue interior and the, and the black wheels and the red stripes. The interior was extremely blue.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 21:17Matt Farah?

  Extremely blue. But this photo illustrates really well why if you get a C8 Corvette, you've, under no circumstances should you get a light colored dash. Because the windshield in this motherfucker is super reflecty.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 21:34Matt Farah?

  You can see even the blue is reflected.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  I can see the blue and I, I can also see the source of your hood.

• 21:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like the surround and everything. And, and, and if you get, we had one at one point, I forget which one it was, but it had a white interior and a white dashboard. And I was just truly shocked at that nobody stopped them from selling this because the entire dashboard is like, it's like driving into a softbox. It was so fucking crazy.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  This looks like Tommy Hilfiger spec.

• 22:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  It's like slightly too light on the blue, but you, white exterior, very blue interior everywhere.

• 22:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 22:14Matt Farah?

  With a red stripe, everything blue, blue floor, uh, blue seats. Yeah.

• 22:21Matt Farah?

  But, okay, it's, but the new interior, which is across, you know, all the C8s with, with a bunch of buttons for things, uh, like the climate control and then the, and the better, uh, the better widescreen touchscreen and doesn't have the wall of, the wall of chassis, the wall of chassis anymore.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  There's a, there's a guy who comes on, uh.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  No turbos, no hand jobs.

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  There's a guy who comes on our Road and Track events and, and has this, has had a series of Corvettes and definitely wrote an angry letter to somebody about the impossibility of roadhead in this car and how that interfered in his life.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  I feel like there's two people I can guess who would write that.

• 22:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, man. And, uh, okay, but so the story, you know, the, the Grand Sport is a, it's a Z06 chassis, right? So it's a wide body chassis. It's got, uh, the better shocks. It's got, uh, this one has the, the, it's steel brakes, but it's the upgraded steel brakes that you would get with a Z06. You could also get ceramics if you want. And it's, uh, but with this new engine, the 6.7, 535 horsepower. And, and, and that engine is the, now the base engine. So you can actually, what's cra, it's crazy that you can get this engine. This engine's a fucking hot boy motor and you can get it in, uh, you know, uh, the base car, which is wild.

• 23:41Matt Farah?

  Um, also if you go, show a rear view of the car, Zach, you can get a center exit exhaust now. It's optional, but it's like under 2,000 bucks.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:53Matt Farah?

  And in, I believe, and it's hard because I didn't have a, the same, I don't have the 6.7 with the, with the dual and then with the center. So I don't have a direct comparison, but I, compared to that E-Ray recently, I really think that the center exhaust has a more like sort of even and exotic tone, given the same engine, whereas the dual exhaust sounds a little more like trucky. But I've, I don't have exactly the same engine. It could be the up, you know, there's other things it could be, but I did like the center exit, um.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  I think it looks good.

• 24:28Matt Farah?

  Cool. Yeah. I also am a big fan now of these cars as convertibles, um, with the power top. I just think you, you put it up and down a lot more. You use it a lot more when it's a power top and it also doesn't, it, your trunk is a little smaller, but your trunk doesn't get taken out, you know, you don't lose the trunk space when you put the top down because the top would go in the trunk if it was the target top.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 24:55Matt Farah?

  Right. You know what I mean? So.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  When we drove the, we drove the Z06 with, had the, which was convertible, right? And I was like, I'm not a convertible person, but if I can do hard top convertible with tiny compromise and then I use, then I can just use it at my whim, like I'm a fan, especially with mid-engine supercars, all day.

• 25:11Matt Farah?

  And it's also super nice to drive with the side windows down and the rear window goes down in the, in the convertible, whereas it doesn't in the coupe. You just have the window into the engine bay. So I'll, I think the convertible is, yeah, holy blue, right? I think the convertible is a good option across the range.

• 25:30Matt Farah?

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• 26:13Matt Farah?

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• 26:56Matt Farah?

  Plus the magazine, plus all kinds of cool, uh, regional events that Avance does around the country for their members. I've been to a bunch of them. Their Monterey Car Week party is a great time. So you can go to avants.com, A-V-A-N-T-S dot com slash T S T and then use code T S T for 10% off. So that's another 10% off your membership. This thing is basically free. In fact, it could potentially be, uh, money, mucho money saving for you. avants.com slash T S T. Use code T S T for 10% off. Thank you to Avance for sponsoring the pod. The engine is, is great. It's what you, it's what you're expecting. It's what you're thinking. It's more power and torque than before.

• 27:41Matt Farah?

  It sounds, it sounds angrier. It's a, it's a, it's a, a really, really good sounding package. And I drove this car right after I drove the, the new Ferrari 849 Testarossa Spider. And it really made me realize how much you're getting by buying a fast Corvette. The speed I was driving in these roads in Idaho, the speed I was driving on those roads in Tenerife for, in two different mid-engine cars, one of which has double the horsepower of the other one and all this hybrid shit and all this extra crazy stuff. Same speed.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:19Matt Farah?

  We're going, you're going the same speed down the road, you know, and, and.

• 28:25Matt Farah?

  The also this the aluminum structure of the C8 Corvette and the aluminum structure. I think the C8 was a little more rigid than the Ferrari 849. Honestly, just by seat of pants jiggle or lack thereof. Uh, the magnetic ride in this car is fabulous, you know, huge amount of variable from soft to stiff.

• 28:49Matt Farah?

  It had, uh, it had radar cruise control that works really nicely. I still, I can't love the steering wheel. My kingdom, you know, that dude who's the GM engineer who races that car, put the Cadillac black wing steering wheel in his. That's the, that's the game changer is to have a round steering wheel. But outside of that, I mean, I think the Grand Sport's a great looking car. It's really, really fast. It, so it's really funny about this car. Listen to this, I have this written down, hang on. So it's 535 horsepower, 520 torque. Okay, now the Z06 with the five and a half liter flat plane crank, 670 horsepower, 460 torque.

• 29:31Matt Farah?

  So the Grand Sport makes 60 more torque than the Z06. And it does it 3,000 RPM lower than the peak torque of the Z06, right? But the peak horsepower, 535 of the Grand Sport is 6,100 RPM. And the red line is 60, uh, excuse me, 6,200 RPM and the red line is 6,500 RPM. So peak torque, 6,200 RPM, or excuse me, peak horsepower, 6,200 RPM. The Z06, peak torque, 6,300 RPM.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 30:11Matt Farah?

  So as soon as the Grand Sport's big block fucking motor gives up, that's when the Z06 just gets going. There's no overlap in power band.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 30:27Matt Farah?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:28Matt Farah?

  The peak torque and peak horsepower of these two cars don't overlap.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  That's pretty crazy.

• 30:35Matt Farah?

  That's a nutty thing to think about, isn't it?

• 30:37Speaker 01

  The Z06 red line is 8,600 RPM, so you've got, you know, you've got 2,300 RPM of revs.

• 30:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Which is fun and I mean, that is a trick in itself and an enjoyable thing. I mean, because the, the big block engines are amazing, but the red line is kinda low.

• 30:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  But this huge torque spread, I would be very interested to see how they do in a little quarter mile race between the two of them.

• 31:00Matt Farah?

  Well, um, somebody just ran a, someone just ran a Grand Sport. It might've been Savage Geese, I think, did a Grand Sport in the quarter mile. It was like, uh, like middle elevens, I think. It was not slow.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 31:11Matt Farah?

  But a Z06 is, is tens.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 31:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, a Z06 in the quarter mile is quicker.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 31:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  I mean, I know horsepower is important, but like this has way more torque and it starts making everything earlier. I thought it might get going a little quicker.

• 31:24Matt Farah?

  I don't know, Z06 maybe has better tires also. This, this, the one I, you, there's a ton, like, cause I was talking to Alex at GM to get pricing and stuff like that. The one I drove, which is a convertible, super interior, super carbon, super wing. I mean, this is almost as loaded as you could get one of these. You'd have to get, do some crazy paint to sample, you know, factory tour, fucking check the stupid boxes to get one of these more expensive. And this is 144,000. This is, it's almost maxed out. It's a convertible, I mean, it's got everything. So you, you really would have to work to make one of these more expensive.

• 32:09Matt Farah?

  The, the, the price delta is 30K between this and a identically specced Z06. So you can load one of these up and, and, and be $10,000 or $15,000 higher than the entry point of a Z06. Right? But if you load up a Z06, you can end up 20,000 or 30,000 higher than one of these. So there's like plenty of room in the middle for you to make a choice of, like if your budget is around 110, 120,000 bucks, you're legitimately making a choice of which engine do I want? Because I've got the same chassis, the same effectively everything else.

• 32:51Matt Farah?

  And even the same rear bumper, the same look, you know, I don't have, I, I, I, I, I present as, you know?

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  So, you know, you, you've got quite a lot of choices in the middle. And so it's sort of like 911s where the temptation is GT3 because.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:10Matt Farah?

  Because, because, because. But in the real world, a turbocharged 911 will actually be a quicker car. And my suspicion is in the real world, up on the mountain, for most people that are not comfortable zinging their car to red line constantly, the Grand Sport is gonna feel like a much quicker car than the Z06 most of the time.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  I think that's true, yeah. And you also can play the game when you're pricing it of, you know, do you want the higher end models stripped out? Or do you want more features on the cheaper model?

• 33:43Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Like that's a, an important game to play too.

• 33:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, if it's, if it's me and my money, I, I think they've done such a good job with the Z06 engine, I'd want that. Like I just, that, that makes the Corvette really feel like an exotic car.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it separates it, you know, acoustically from Camaro, previous Corvettes, all, you know.

• 34:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Basically trucks.

• 34:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not, it just sounds special because it is, it's rare.

• 34:11Matt Farah?

  This does a great job. If you did, if you did want a Corvette that sounded like Murica, which is like cool. You know, if you wanted a muscle car thing and, uh, this with the center exhaust sounds more exotic than most Corvettes. It's like gets you, it gets you like this new engine with this exhaust. It does get you halfway there maybe. You know, it sounds a little more refined, a little more maybe like,

• 34:42Matt Farah?

  a little more like, not an AMG, but like, like, well, like when, like a 62 AMG, a little more like that, which is, is cool.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  I mean, they can play so much with the exhaust pulsing with these muffler designs and stuff, you know?

• 34:54Matt Farah?

  The valves do a lot of different stuff. It makes a whole bunch of different sounds at different throttle loads and different RPM and stuff like that. They've done a great job with the gearbox. It's really beautifully responsive and it does exactly what it's told. If you're like, especially because I drove this right after the Ferrari, this is such a user friendly car. The phone just boom, CarPlay right there, like everything, everything to, to drive it is in like the most obvious place possible. Like everything about it is just the most obvious way that it would happen.

• 35:32Matt Farah?

  Let me think, was there anything like not great about it? I wish there was a little more lumbar support. The Corvette isn't really the, the greatest car for tall people anymore. You know, it used to be a really good car. I wish the seat went, was a little lower than it is. It doesn't, it's not quite as low as I wanted. And it, it has just a hint less room than I wa, wrong car. And, uh, but it is a very night, I mean, you know, for the amount of money they're charging for these, whatever you're, at any price, any model line, whatever they're charging is you're getting a fucking crazy amount of performance.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  You are.

• 36:10Matt Farah?

  This car is so fast, the front end is really good.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Pretty talkative, I mean, when I drove at Spring Mountain, it was Z51 package, but like, you know, normal engine and I came out of that going, this is such a great track car, performance car. Also really comfortable on the highway with a Magrider and everything, like absolutely fantastic performance value.

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and, and it, it, you, in the corners, it had a ton of grip. It, it really, uh, you know, if you use like sport or race one traction control, you could just get it just a tiny bit, a little, little bit of wheel spin coming out of some corners. If you found yourself, uh, wanting to have a little fun. When the camber in the road changed, it was, it responded to that really nicely. Uh, this spec, I, I think it rides just a hint softer than the Z06, which came kind of in handy for, uh, for road trips. The design of the rear wing with this particular, I didn't even have to use the digital rear view mirror. I used the regular rear view mirror, the glass mirror and it, I could see out the back, which I, which I thought was nice.

• 37:16Matt Farah?

  Just a very, um, user friendly car in general. And then you click all the stuff over to the right and, and you're ripping. I mean, this is a very fast car that it still has a, a beautiful wide torque band, but a naturally aspirated engine profile. Um, it, you know, and it, especially coming down and I, I just, I don't want to crap on, on Ferrari more than I have to because the 849 is an amazing thing to drive. But it just makes you wonder how necessary any of that stuff is for a road car. I mean, I, I really, this is a, a regular, it's a naturally aspirated V8. Not that it's a low tech engine, but it's a regular engine.

• 38:00Matt Farah?

  And, uh, rear drive and, and, and it's got so much power already that it just, you, you really can't go any faster down the road.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, with Ferrari stuff has never been necessary, I guess. You know, there's always been stuff that's almost as quick. And the only time you'll notice these hyper cars is like from corner to corner, if you floored it.

• 38:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  That's when all the systems would wake and you'd get to the next corner 0.05 faster than you would in the Corvette.

• 38:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  But if you're just, you know, most of us like, there's a cadence to canyon driving. There's an RPM you tend to stay in with, with, there's only a certain amount of room between corners. And I think torquey stuff is more beneficial for that. And that's, the cadence you get is really up to tire grip.

• 38:43Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  So.

• 38:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and like sanity.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, of course, like.

• 38:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, reasoning and tires.

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, every six figure sports car is so capable today that it just becomes about, you know, how, how on the edge you're willing to, to drive and how, you know, how far your morals are into fucking madness when it comes to this kind of stuff. And hopefully they're not too far because that's where shit gets sketchy. We don't want people dying out there. But it's just, it, it's just such a huge amount of performance for what is, yes, it's over a hundred thousand dollars, but although it starts under a hundred thousand dollars. It starts at a coupe, a Grand Sport coupe is like high eighties.

• 39:29Matt Farah?

  So you can, you can get into one of these for, for, for what I think is reasonable money, given what you're getting.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  How, was the ride different than Z51s you've driven? Cause I think previous grand sports, amazing handling and everything, but they were always like a tiny bit stiffer, cause that was part of the objective.

• 39:44Matt Farah?

  It's been a long time since I drove a base Corvette, like a really long time. Like that rental car you had that I drove for five minutes.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Oh wow.

• 39:52Matt Farah?

  Was the last one of those.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Four years ago.

• 39:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was a long time. And since then, it's been Z06s and ZR1s and stuff. So I couldn't, I, if I, if I even attempted, I'd be lying or making it up.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  I don't know. What I can tell you is over, I landed in Spokane after, you know, two hour flight, no big deal, hopped in it, immediately drove four hours to the starting point of my event. And it was a lovely drive, comfortable, stereo is good, just cruising. And then did 325 miles of pure canyons as much as I could. And it was a great day, put the top down and kept it there pretty much all day. Just a beautiful thing. And then I went out the next morning, early at sunrise and ripped the roads again before anybody was out.

• 40:44Matt Farah?

  And when you really start to put, these cars are great on, when the road's not perfect. Imperfect tarmac, a Corvette is, is a really good, good tool to have. You know, you set the springs in soft, set the dampers in soft and you just, you can just take a really, really, really good pace over bumpy roads really nicely. Car's pretty wide, it's, you know, it is what it is. So you're not great in these really narrow roads, like you might be in a Boxster or a smaller sports car. But compared to the even wider stuff, like the Lambo or the, well, the Ferrari had very wide mirrors.

• 41:27Matt Farah?

  It wasn't that wide of a car, but the mirrors did stick out quite a way. So that, and also your, in Tenerife, the roads are really small. But it's just a well-rounded thing. Really nice thing.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Continues to be.

• 41:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and I think it's neat that there's a lot of, there's, you know, they're used to, it was for C7, it was, in C6 really, it became sort of the sweet spot, right? Particularly C7, because the Z06s were overheating and the ZR1s were psychotic and it was almost like the, the meata of Corvettes. It was like beautiful handling and balance of power. Here, because the chassis is capable of double the horsepower and then some, the sweet spot quote, is actually that area where it overlaps with the Z06. Like that meat of it and where it's like, here's a great chassis, choose your engine

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  power profile, both are well within the limits of what the chassis could do, no problem. So like that, it's a double sweet spot now, which is cool.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, very cool.

• 42:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, and all the, you know, all the options you can get on a Z06 really, carbon wheels or whatever you can get in a grand sport too. So you could sort of Burger King, have it your way kind of thing. You know what I mean? So there will be a story written in Road and Track, print that's coming out next month. I think the story came out very nice.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Good.

• 42:56Matt Farah?

  You want to, should we do Temerario as well? You want to go right into, right into that? Or you want, you want to do something else?

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Whatever you want. You sent me two sets of pictures, so that's why.

• 43:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  But you have other stuff.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  We did, we can.

• 43:08Matt Farah?

  No, all right, all right. Yeah, I have something very funny, but let's do Temerario first.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Let's also just quickly plug our live show, August 18th at the Irvine Improv.

• 43:16Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  With Richard Porter and Johnny Smith.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  Los Angeles.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Podcast. We, we made it at 8pm, so you can fight through traffic, there'll be less traffic to get to it. And tickets start at 40 bucks.

• 43:25Matt Farah?

  The, yeah, the downside of coming to Irvine is you have to go to Irvine. The upside is almost everything else.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  Free parking.

• 43:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, free parking.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Go there, have dinner nearby, restaurants all over the place.

• 43:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  And then come to our show.

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  And also our blazers that we collabed with the Grotto I'm wearing right now. I love my fucking blazer. Watch this, I'm gonna take my, my hood out in real time without taking the jacket off, convert it to formal wear, not formal wear.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Kinda.

• 43:55Matt Farah?

  Semi-formal wear. I really love these things. It's, we're really proud of them. The materials, the construction are absolutely first rate. It's the kind of thing that you would, you would honestly spend twice the price on. It's a, it's like a garment for life. It's not fast fashion-y bullshit. It's not a throwaway thing. And Zach and I are very proud of it. And Nick from the Grotto is really, really good at making suits. This guy's been making suits for me for seven years now. And he really impressed Roger Farah, who, my dad, who ran Ralph Lauren for, for 15 years, with the quality and construction of his suits. And, and we've been working with him ever since. He's not let us down. And look at that.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 44:39Matt Farah?

  60 seconds, hood goes out, and now I've got an evening wear.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:43Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 44:43Speaker 01

  This is good. You had a wardrobe change before Lamborghini.

• 44:46Matt Farah?

  Right. Now, now I went from Corvette guy to Lamborghini guy.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:50Matt Farah?

  Right? You could do both with, with my blazer. So we're selling these until August 6th. The link is in our Instagram bio. Get one. And also August 20th is when our Porsche giveaway ends. The, the 911 Turbo S modded by us. Friday, I guess by the time this podcast goes up, we'll have an, our new video up with the 911, where I demonstrate some of its capabilities. And that, that is ending August 20th. It's a, it's just a fucking amazing car. And it comes with a whole bunch of money to offset some of those taxes that you're gonna get if you win it. But it's a $275,000 car that's been modded by us. And also, we farted in it a couple times.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 45:35Matt Farah?

  Adds value. We did not sign the dashboard or do anything that like loser-ish. We should have signed under the hood.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  You can do that.

• 45:43Matt Farah?

  That maybe would have been a thing.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  If the winner wants us to do that.

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  If the winner wants to do that, we'll fly to Florida to sign under the hood, cause that's where the car is right now, at the Dream Giveaways headquarters. We didn't get to keep it.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:53Matt Farah?

  They wouldn't, they didn't trust us.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  For a full year.

• 45:56Matt Farah?

  They were like, you put how many miles on it? And we were like, not that many. And they're like, we'll take it back now, thank you.

• 46:04Matt Farah?

  Shall we talk Lamborghini?

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:07Matt Farah?

  Temerario.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  What a good color.

• 46:09Matt Farah?

  Looks great in this matte, I think it's Mauritius matte blue is the color.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Really awesome.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  This is the replacement for the Huracan. I drove it last year at Performance Car of the Year. And it's, dude, comparison tests with a racetrack and a whole bunch of cars, super important. Having one at home for five or six days to actually just use as a car, also super important. Because I learned a whole lot more.

• 46:38Matt Farah?

  This car is a fucking ripper. You know, I was talking about, just a minute ago, about the grand sport Corvette and how it goes as fast as one can go on the street. That is basically true. However, in the middle of the night, should you find somewhere safe enough and remote enough, well, not necessarily in the middle of the night, but should you find somewhere absolutely safe enough?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're not up in the middle of the night.

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  I wasn't, I wasn't once or twice. But, but, but should you find yourself somewhere safe enough? The Temerario's 907 horsepower and it revs to 10,000 RPMs. This car is a fucking ballistic missile. It is so fast. I, I can't believe, even, even though it's a Lamborghini, and no one is expecting a Lamborghini to not be very fast.

• 47:33Matt Farah?

  It's like 50% more powerful than it's, than what the car it's replacing. Right? 40%. It's like 40% even more, more powerful than even the most powerful variant of the Huracan.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:47Matt Farah?

  This car is so fucking fast. You like, imagine a McLaren 750, right? With full traction from zero.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  Geez, yeah. So it's not, it's pulling less power.

• 48:01Matt Farah?

  Like, that's what I'm talking about. Like McLaren 750s are great because, for me, because they're psychotic. And like, you can cruise around and they're very comfortable, but then like, then you can ride a bull, right? Then you can, it's, can you fucking tame this motherfucker? It'll do what you tell it, but also you can spin the tires up to 100 miles an hour. So you best know what you're doing, cause it will. This is that, but no wheel spin. Just forward. And good, there, wow.

• 48:33Matt Farah?

  There, there's a lot of RPMs in between, I'm going very fast now and 10. Like, like, the point at which you are riding an Acme rocket is about six. And in fourth or fifth gear, six to 10 is like four or five seconds. And they are a long four or five seconds. And wherever the fuck you were, you ain't there anymore. You're way down there now. The world, the world gets very small, very quickly in this car. It's like, it's like that, it's like the Gunther Turbo.

• 49:17Matt Farah?

  Like it pulls like, like over 100, it's, it's like, cause even when we did Performance Car of the Year, well, what do you call it? Thunderhill West. You're, you're, I don't even think you're getting to the top of fourth gear in the Temerario. I saw the top of fifth and like, my God.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  It's real fast.

• 49:37Matt Farah?

  Wait until you see the speed at which people crash these things. When someone has a crash in one of these, it's gonna be at like 160 miles an hour. They're gonna have enormous crashes in these cars. They are so fast. Okay, so that's that. You're gonna have to trust me on this? Like I used to tell people that it's, it was guaranteed that any McLaren you put somebody in would be the fastest car they've ever been in. This might actually beat some of them.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'm looking up like peak torque, peak power, all that stuff, but...

• 50:12Matt Farah?

  It's, it's up there. So you've got a tri-motor hybrid, you've got a four, a V8, flat plane V8 that, that it, that revs to 10,000 RPM. That's, that's all very cool shit. Right, and I don't think the V10 was a sacred cow. Like, V10 was what Lamborghini was doing for the last like 20 years. But before that, they did both V12s and V8s. What did you just make a face for?

• 50:36Speaker 01

  The engine's peak torque of 538 pound-feet happens from 4,000 to 7,000 RPM.

• 50:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  That's pretty, that's meaty. And then, peak power, you know, I want to look at that handoff.

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  Peak power's probably like 9.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Right, so you have this, you have this crazy punch at 4 grand. And then, as you hit, you know, probably 6 or 7, now you're getting that handoff heading towards peak power. So, I think what's, what's shocking, if you, if people haven't driven these, if you've ever driven anything with like 400 horsepower, the feeling you get in 2nd and 3rd gear of acceleration where you go, whoa, this is a fast car. Imagine that happening in 4th and 5th gear.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  And therefore, you understand that the speed you're beginning at in 4th gear is probably quite high. And it accelerates the way you accelerate in 2nd.

• 51:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  And that's when it's wild.

• 51:22Matt Farah?

  So he, my nephew Cole was in town, and I took him out for this, in this thing last night. He wants to be a car photographer. Let's plug his Instagram. His Instagram is...

• 51:34Matt Farah?

  Okay, his, his car Instagram is Money Shot with 3 Ts at the end of it. I don't, he just told me it this morning, so I probably don't follow it yet. I didn't even know it until this morning. M-O-N-E-Y-S-H-O-T-T-T.

• 51:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, that ain't right. I don't think that's right.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  I'll start here. Okay. M-O-N-E-Y.

• 51:57Matt Farah?

  S-H-O-T-T-T.

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's him.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 52:02Matt Farah?

  That's, that's my cousin. He's 17. He's a minor. Be fucking nice, people. But if you want to see him take pictures of cars, give him a follow for your boy here. But he, I took him out to do a shoe with the Lambo last night. He, he had a good time. But I, so I rip it on the highway like 4th gear. And he was like, that was crazy, but also like, why, how were you in 1 gear for so long? And that's how I got to the conversation we just had. But then I was like, you don't understand, that was 4th gear, this, this engine goes to Ted. Let me, and we went over behind the airport by our old house. And I was like, this car launches like a Lucid. Like, it's that.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  It's, it's a gas car that launches and goes like an electric car. And, when I tell you things fucking flew out of his pocket and stuck to the back wall of the car?

• 52:55Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 52:56Matt Farah?

  Like, this fuck, this motherfucker launches like, like, real, I got, we haven't tried a ZR1X yet, but it launches like no gasoline car I've, I've been in.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 53:05Matt Farah?

  It, it's really something special. I'd love to line one up in a drag race with a, with a, a new Turbo S Hybrid, this, and a ZR1X. But this thing is, this is a fucking missile, this car.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  You should get those cars, let's, let's borrow Willow Springs.

• 53:21Matt Farah?

  So, and then, and then dynamically, the steering is very light. You have very little feeling of this, through the steering, but you can feel the road and what's happening with weight transfer through your ass. And the, the ride is beautiful. It's got fucking high voltage, just shock controllers, um, like the 911 Turbo S Hybrid does. So the, it's, so it's not hydraulic, it's, it's a traditional thing, but it has much more computing power and processing power to make those adjustments. So, it just, the ride is, is fabulous. And then, because it doesn't have a front prop shaft, it doesn't have a front mechanical differential, it's EV, you have a cabin that is extremely comfortable. Dude, the amount of space in this car, I can't believe it.

• 54:06Matt Farah?

  Tall people, your, your mid-engine car is here. If you're fucking 6'6", this is your car.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  And that was true with like the RAV10, I mean, they, they had a pretty good packaging, but...

• 54:17Matt Farah?

  The, the new Temerario has more room inside than the old R8. That's, that's the amount of improvement that we've got. Check out the cup holder from my Boxer. Lamborghini has resurrected the Boxer cup holder.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  With a little arrow in ya.

• 54:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  I love that, I love this cup holder. It just pops out of a very small orifice.

• 54:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Uh, it, like, right in the dash, it's just super compact, but I remember it being very, very effective. And you can adjust it for like Red Bull cans, regular soda cans, one of the smartest dimensions.

• 54:49Matt Farah?

  Porsche got rid of it, Lamborghini brought it back. Yep, yep.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  Good.

• 54:52Matt Farah?

  So, and then also, you know, your rear tires are mostly uncovered.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:57Matt Farah?

  I would have, you know, when we drove it for P. Cody and we smashed all the windshields from cars driving behind it, I was like, they gotta put mud flaps or something on this. They're not just gonna sell that like that. But they are, and it looks crazy.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 55:11Matt Farah?

  Um, it looks much better in this more, uh, dark color, because there's a lot of bits on this car that are either dry carbon or just black. And in the, when the car's a bright color, it really becomes two-tone and the other color is just black. And so, with this dark blue, I think the black, even though blue and black are typically clashy colors in fashion, in this car, I actually think, because it's a specific blue, it's muted in a specific way, the black is a certain type of black that's almost more gray than it is black. I think it actually really works beautifully in this color combination.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, this, this looks awesome.

• 55:52Matt Farah?

  Alright, so can I tell you some bad things? There's a few bad things.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  Can I just tell you real quick about the California laws for, uh, mud flaps?

• 55:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Um, standard passenger cars and pickup trucks are typically exempt, provided the vehicle body or standard factory fenders adequately cover the tire tread and minimize road spray. Which these, I wonder, I wonder if the dealership gives you some little flaps that like, like this tab right here. That seems like that's a place you could put something unless it's a parking sensor.

• 56:18Matt Farah?

  I think it's a parking sensor.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Uh, so I don't know if they, they give you a little...

• 56:22Matt Farah?

  It would be funny if they just come in the truck.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Box, yeah, and they go, if you get pulled over, put these on.

• 56:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's funny. Okay, so some bad things about this car?

• 56:32Matt Farah?

  Okay, 1, the engine at low RPM doesn't sound very good. It sounds pretty agricultural, uh, to the, maybe, maybe even like, not quite diesel-y, but just, just not, just very meh, until you're up in the RPMs.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  When you're in the cabin or behind the car?

• 56:50Matt Farah?

  I've never really been behind the car, but in certainly in the cabin.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  You're probably hearing a lot of the direct injection and shit.

• 56:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you hear mechanical stuff, you don't hear a lot of exhaust, you don't, it just, it doesn't, and it's not a great sound. Like, the V10 was a very, um, sonorous engine. And this, at low RPM is not. At higher RPM, it does sound a little more like a McLaren. At low RPM, a McLaren sounds much more interesting and throaty than this sound. This is like a McLaren that's just like, had all the exhaust sounds taken out of it. Okay, so it doesn't sound that great. Also, there's no, like, individual drive mode where you can just set your preferred chassis, gearbox, but, but the settings in one place.

• 57:37Matt Farah?

  And the settings that there are, are never quite right. Like, at Performance Car of the Year, the first time I ever drove this car was on a track. So it was like, get in it, Corsa mode, like, just go, and, and at that activity in Corsa mode, it was fine. No notes, better than fine. It was awesome. It was awesome. Tracks control off, doing slides, also awesome. Great. Then I drove it in a sporting manner with, uh, where I just put it into sport mode and, and shifted manually. And I found it to be, uh, pretty delightful. I put it in, in, uh, in sport mode and strata mode. Found it to be delightful, but I was doing canyon driving, right? Pure canyon driving.

• 58:22Matt Farah?

  Now, I was using it as a car. Last 4 days, I've used it as my car. I did a bunch of highway miles, I hit the canyons, I got stuck in a bunch of traffic, I ran errands with it. It was my everything car for this week. I drove it almost 400 miles in 3 days, believe it or not.

• 58:40Matt Farah?

  So, driving it just around, like, there's, there's the EV mode. Now, in EV mode, you, you can go about 4 miles. I could commute to, from my house to here and back in full electric. And in fact, the one time I did that, it was better than starting the engine cold and just turning it right away off. But, but, so, so there's that. But, EV mode is front-wheel drive, and EV mode is not much power. And so, to drive a car that looks like this and feels like this in EV mode...

• 59:15Speaker 01

  With the acceleration of the power.

• 59:16Matt Farah?

  With the acceler, with, with dogshit acceleration is just so silly. And because it's not that loud, there's no, it's like, you know, you know, the Corvette E-Ray, I understand, because you start that fucking LS6, you know what I mean? Like, it, that shit wastes the neighborhood. My neighbor, my neighbor Seema Dave, shout out to Seema Dave and his C8 Z06, I'm 1, 2, 3, 3 houses up from him, I know when he leaves. I know when he comes home. Shout out to him. But like, this leave the neighborhood quietly is for them. This car is too quiet to have a leave the neighborhood quietly. It, it, the EV mode is dumb, but every time you start the car, it's in EV mode. Okay?

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  And in fact, the next mode, which is, uh, street, strata, is full hybrid with a fairly aggressive start-stop program that cannot be defeated. Okay? But strata also has the smooth gearbox program, so it will shift beautifully smoothly.

• 1:00:22Matt Farah?

  And in fact, most of the time, you really do wanna be, the mode I really wanted that doesn't exist, is Strada, but where the engine just stays on. It doesn't exist. You are stuck with Strada. If you want the smooth gear changes, you're stuck with an engine that'll shut off as soon as you come to a stop.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  And you can't go into the thing like in BMWs and whatnot.

• 1:00:43Matt Farah?

  Nope. The way to get out of that is to go into Sport mode. In Sport mode, the engine will stay on all the time. Okay? And then you can manually put the shocks into Soft. So you can have the Sport. Problem mostly solved, right? Except, Sport has Lamborghini's most aggressive clutch kick program. So, so every shift, automatic or manual, is boom.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Wow. Despite having comfortable shocks.

• 1:01:09Matt Farah?

  In fact, if you then go to Corsa, it smooths it out again. But it turns off your ESC, it makes the throttle mapping the most aggressive, and then you have to go back, and you can only dial the shocks back to Sport instead of the Soft. So you actually cannot get to the mode I want, which is smooth shifts, you know, engine on, soft shocks. And I found myself fiddling with the modes all the time and, and never really being satisfied. So, in the canyons most of the time, I actually found myself using Strada, because the engine stays on as long as you're moving.

• 1:01:52Matt Farah?

  It only turns off when you're, when you come off. It's not like a Prius. If you're moving, it's pretty much on, but when you go, when you're stopped, it cuts off. When you go to move again, it's EV until the middle of second gear. So, the engine's been on, you've been driving, you have a certain response, blah, blah, blah. Now, pulling away from the light, it's, you know, like they do pulling out of the pits at LeMans.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:02:24Matt Farah?

  But if you try to pull out of the light quickly with a bunch of gas, when it fires the engine, otherwise, you use normal gas, and it's like, and then you have, wait till the middle of second gear, and so, it, like, there isn't, so now, it's like, you gotta put it into Sport, just so the engine doesn't die at the light, so you can pull away normally, kick, kick, alright, back to street, and so I'm flipping the fucking thing, just constantly. And so, I have a theory, and I may write about this for my, I talked to Mitch McKee at M Engineering, of course, hypothetically speaking, I said, given that every one of these new cars has these regulations that force it into these dumb modes, but they're

• 1:03:09Matt Farah?

  so fucking insanely fast, that only a true lunatic would want more power than this, is the future of your job, like, ungovernmenting this fucking thing, so that it just stays in the mode that the engineers probably intended for it to be in in the first place? And just drives like a normal fucking car?

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Matt Farah?

  Because like, when it drives like a quote hybrid, it sucks. With engine on, engine off, and like, it sucks. But when it drives, when it drives just with the engine being on, and the motors assisting and filling in the gaps of a, of, that exists with a 10,000 RPM motor, helping to fill in that torque, helping to improve the handling, then it's like, dude, this is the absolute titties, this car, it's amazing. But you just like, you just could never get it into the right mode for the right thing, unless the thing was going really, really fast.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  It's, it's kind of surprising they don't do that these days, because even like, you get a Charger, I mean, there's so many cars that offer you the control of, what do you want your powertrain to be at, your transmission and your suspension? And obviously, this has all that control anyway, but they just...

• 1:04:26Matt Farah?

  It gives you like a hint of it, like, so for instance, there's like, City, which is EV, Strada, Sport, Corsa, and then Full Off, Full Off, right? That's on one side. And then, also, you can, it offers you Hybrid, Recharge, or Performance. Right? Hybrid is the default. Recharge is if you deplete the battery, you click to recharge, it fires the engine, it refires. But Performance is only available if you're in Sport or Corsa. It's not available from Strada. So they're just, it's missing that mode that's, drive normal but keep the engine on, please. So...

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  They'll do OTA update.

• 1:05:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It would be like, given that like both Porsche and Audi, and I think even Volkswagen, and certainly Bentley, every other VAG product offers an individual drive mode setting, right? In their performance cars. All the other ones do. This one doesn't. That's weird. And I spent a long time looking for it. Uh, that's weird, but like, dude, when you're going, this car is a fucking screamer. It's crazy how fast. Yeah, 907 horsepower. It's crazy. The grapes, the grapes, the brakes are a little grabby going into hairpins. The brakes are designed to haul you down from 160. When you step on them hard at 40, your glasses fly off and hit the windshield.

• 1:05:50Matt Farah?

  Um, they're a little grabby, and they got a little squeaky when they got dusty. Um, also, my phone did not want to connect to Bluetooth properly, although it worked fine over CarPlay with the USB cable, and the press car guy said, oh yeah, we've been having issues with that, it's like a software hiccup. So, okay. Um, but, uh, in general, a very nice thing, uh, to use, you know, consider, considering the extreme level of performance you're talking about, which is, is truly, truly extreme. It, it is a, easy as pie to use as a fucking, as a daily driver car. You know?

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, nothing, the only car that made this power, what, 20 years ago, was like Veyron?

• 1:06:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  And that had, I guess that was also fairly easy to use, but outside of that, you know, it was gonna be a custom-built twin-turbocharged Ford GT, or some other kind of, you know, Frankenmonster, um, until all the technology caught up with it.

• 1:06:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, you know, just, you know, think of what it, it used to take to have a nine-second car. That, that was not...

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  It was like Hennessy Venom stuff, you know? And that was not something that was easy to drive around. I mean, it was intuitive to operate, because it was simple, but it was intense.

• 1:07:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. No, this, you can, you can putter.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  You can easily putter. Yeah. Um, but I really, I really do wish that there was a mode that I could use most of the time, that just was like normal car mode. Um, because that would make, that would take it from an 8.6 to a 9.6, if I had that. Um, but I mean, I, I think they've, they've really figured out how to make a hybrid car go fucking insanely fast.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this is the entry-level car.

• 1:07:44Matt Farah?

  It's actually, in, in terms of the numbers and the layout, and it's very close to like a 918, actually. Like...

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:07:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Which is, which is a, you know, 10 years ago, that would have been deep into hypercar. So, it's, it's fucking crazy. Really, really crazy car. Um, and this, you know, there's obviously gonna be the, the Performante, and the whatever the fuck they go with from here. My God, imagine a Strada of this. Oh. A Strada of this would be just, would be just bananas. You know? I hope the hybrid system doesn't turn out to be a pain in the dick. I hope it, you know, you know, I, I, yeah, exactly. Hey, we don't know? I don't know? I don't know?

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I hope, I hope it all works really well, and that these, you know, become great value on the used market, and eventually, you know, uh, entry-level car for 200 grand is 900 horsepower.

• 1:08:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but thanks to Lambo for letting me have a go. There is not a video, because, because today, well, honestly, there was gonna be a video, but then my whole week got fucked up. I was gonna film it on Tuesday.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:08:52Matt Farah?

  My whole week got fucked up, because we got stranded in New York, and that's why there's no video, and I had a whole lot more important things to do, business-wise, this week, but I figured I would give you guys a thorough talking to about it, and that would be good. And I might write about this for Road and Track as well, because, um, it's all these cars. All these cars, you know, you're paying all this money for this amazing experience, and, you know, a well-intentioned government is putting these, these, these limitations on how these cars are, have to operate, for, for reasons that, I mean, make such a small difference in the real world.

• 1:09:34Matt Farah?

  I just see it, I see an aftermarket opportunity for someone who can go, look, for whatever, $2,000, I want this car to start in this mode, you know?

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:09:46Matt Farah?

  And just be in this mode.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  But it's still surprising that Lambo doesn't have the individual mode, because so many other cars have that, so you can at least set it the way you want. Maybe you have to put it in that mode every time you start the car, which is something that someone like Mitch could program out, but it, it's interesting that, you know, there are cars that have too much adjustability. Hyundai, their N-division, like, sometimes it gets a little busy, or BMW's M, but, you know, when it's, when it's absent, we do miss it, especially as there's more systems interacting that can change how the car operates, like, from a stoplight.

• 1:10:17Matt Farah?

  And what's so interesting is, like, go back to the, the photo of the interior of the, of the car. When you pull up, um, the gauge, the gauge is there. So when you pull up, um, if you just zoom in on, a little bit on the middle screen, when you go to the different drive modes, you see it says vehicle there? When you go to the different drive modes, it switches between, from vehicle, it shows you, you know, Sport, Corsa, whatever, right? And the car changes color and blah, blah, blah.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Red.

• 1:10:45Matt Farah?

  And then there's a little, a little menu thing with three lines, and you can click on that, and it pulls up a whole list of attributes of that drive program, chassis, gearbox, this, that, that, blah, blah, blah. One would think that you then click on it, and it says, you know, gearbox two, chassis four, blah, blah, blah. And you think you could click on that, and it would open up a menu that you could then change those things within there, but they don't.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  No, it's just showing you.

• 1:11:12Matt Farah?

  It's just showing you that in race mode, it's there, and in revving, it's here, but then you can't change them. They should be able to change them. So, yeah. So that's that. Um, but, you know, Lamborghini continues to make cars with very extreme performance, but that are increasingly usable as, as everyday cars.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  I think it looks cool, too.

• 1:11:33Matt Farah?

  Does. This one looks better than the one we had at Pecotti. The one at Pecotti we had was like a bright green, and with all the black on it, it, to me, it didn't look as good, and I was like, alright, I need to see some different colors. This one totally works. I'm in. Fully in. So let me tell you a funny story. I, uh, just the thing I saw. I went over to Marina Bay Watch Company, shout out to them. Mike and the boys, so Mike owns the store. His nephew started working there about two years ago. His name is Mike also, Mike and Mike, okay? They hire a fucking new guy. I met him yesterday, what's your name? Mike. So there's three Mikes over there now.

• 1:12:18Matt Farah?

  I go, alright, well, this is gonna be easy. I had to tell my, tell my audience, come in here, you asked for Mike.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Mike Senior's just, uh, hiring his own legacy.

• 1:12:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's just trying to make it easy. So Mike, Mike and Mike over there. And, uh, I go in there and I had just picked up, uh, a watch that they were servicing for me because I'm gonna sell it. I'm gonna do, do an Instagram watch dump, stuff. I haven't worn for six months, four or five pieces, um, along with a big lot of like straps and stuff that I have just gotta clear out because I'm not gonna use. Um, and, uh, so you'll be able to buy, buy some of my watches on Instagram and one with a, with a fresh service from Marina Bay Watch Company. Um, but as I'm there bullshitting with, with Mike, Hannah's there too. A guy comes in and he has a Hublot

• 1:13:08Matt Farah?

  and he asks Mike to authenticate it for him. And Mike looks at it, kinda side-eyed and sort of glances his eyes at me. And he, they take the back off it and there's a fucking Saeco over there in the back. And he tells the guy like, look, man, I'm sorry, but like, this is not, you know, genuine. And this guy's like, fuck, man, like, I just bought this thing. And he's like, well, you need to go back. And he, we hear, he bought it off of Facebook Marketplace, a guy on the street. He, he met the guy on the street. He goes, he goes, he pulled up in a Porsche. I go, well, what did you, you know, what did you pay him for this watch? He goes, fifty-five hundred. I go, well, you scam four or five people, that's how you get a Porsche. Fucking solid, you know?

• 1:13:52Matt Farah?

  So I just watched this guy learn that he lit my, I mean, and I saw this watch. Bro, this guy, this guy was a fool. This buying this, buying this, even on the outside, it looked sus, dude. And so just, I need to tell everybody out there, if you're gonna buy a watch in cash from a person, you gotta meet that person at a watch store that you trust and have them open the watch and tell you that shit is real.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  And if the seller won't do that, don't buy it from them. And let, let someone else, maybe you miss out on the deal of the century? Probably not.

• 1:14:29Matt Farah?

  There's no such thing as the deal of the century.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:31Matt Farah?

  The deal of the century is you're buying some fake shit because you tried to save a dollar.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:36Matt Farah?

  Like, that's, this, and this guy, this poor fucking bastard is like, do I file a police report? I go, you think you're gonna find that person now? Get the fuck out of here, dude, that person's gone.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't think the police will do anything, right?

• 1:14:50Matt Farah?

  No, I'm not sure there's any legal recourse to selling someone a fake.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Something like that, maybe?

• 1:14:54Matt Farah?

  There's laws on that if you're a dealer. If you're a human, buyer beware.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:59Matt Farah?

  You could sell someone bullshit on cars all the time. There's no resource for, but he told me it fucking didn't have a.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  The only way you find that person is the next time they put up a watch for sale. You go, oh, man, I love this Hublot. Yeah, I wanna get this one too.

• 1:15:12Matt Farah?

  That's what Mike, that's what Mikey said. Mikey said, wait for this guy to, to list something else and pretend to buy it and fucking roll up on him.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Right, not advocating crime or violence.

• 1:15:22Matt Farah?

  That's what's up. Sorry, Mikey's strapped, so he's, he's doing that.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  I mean, that's not how laws work. So, uh, I'm just saying, that's how you could find the person.

• 1:15:30Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Now, what you do to, to return that watch?

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  That's between you and the proprietor.

• 1:15:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, what you do then. Um, but yeah, that, so that was funny. So we go to the people?

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Matt Farah?

  They got a lot to say this week. Uh, people, of course, represented by Patreon.com slash The Smoking Tire Podcast. It's where you get the live stream. It's where you ask us questions for the show. It's where you get extra show each month. It's where you get the show without ads at a certain tier. It's where you get access to exclusive, early access, excuse me, and sometimes totally exclusive access to collabs that we do with, uh, high-grade manufactured products. Uh, I, by the way, remember I told you about the little size snafu on the thing? Uh, four more weeks to get the correct size. So we're doing a collab, another collab with Tactile Turn Pens.

• 1:16:24Matt Farah?

  I've been carrying this, um, smaller, slimmer pen for like a year. Uh, I, they sent it to me as a sample like a year ago and I, I found it in a drawer and I was like, holy shit, I actually love this. It's brass, it's gotten a really nice patina on it and we're gonna do a Smoking Tire edition of it that we're gonna be selling to you. Early access for patrons, um, I love this pen. I've been using it so much, it's great. Let's talk to the people. Edward Shifterhand says, I've noticed economy cars looking more sporty and aggressive and I don't like it. What do you think? Do sharp lines help or hurt economy cars? See the new Nissan Sentra as an example? Uh, I'm not surprised that making a car look aggressive and sporty

• 1:17:09Matt Farah?

  is a marketing tactic.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:11Matt Farah?

  I think they've always done that. It's just that our definition of what aggressive and sporty is has sort of changed. But please see the 1992 Plymouth Laser.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:17:24Matt Farah?

  You know, or the Plymouth Acclaim Sport or whatever. Um, yeah, I mean, I, I don't think the new Sentra looks great. I don't love the Nissan mouth, uh, that they're doing, the sort of joke, the John Wayne Gacy clown mouth.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, very true. They, they saw what Lexus has been doing and they were like, we can expand on that, literally.

• 1:17:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  I also don't like the, I don't know, I don't like the black roof that, uh, terminates all the way at the trunk, but whatever. It's a Sentra.

• 1:17:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, uh, not exactly for me, I don't love it. Uh, but you know, if they go too friendly, the other way can be weird.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  No, these look soft.

• 1:18:02Matt Farah?

  Ioniq 6, that's a little too guppy.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, their fortunes are weird too.

• 1:18:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, although too friendly, like the Honda, the little Honda E, the Jimny, Jimny's boxy, but friendly.

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  Hmm, I think, but I think it's like, if it looks mid-mod, you know?

• 1:18:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Then, then it gets away with it because it looks so friendly. Like, or that new, what's it called, like the Tipolino or thing, like?

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  No, yeah.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  That, that's so friendly that it looks like, you know, reminds people of small dogs.

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  It's extreme friendly.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  If you go soft and round EQS, like, that, that looks weak, I guess, you know? And I, I do think that's how our brains work and a lot of cars have gone edgy, like Toyota was doing it for a long time with the trucks. And now that design language is just trickling down to the most entry-level econo boxes there are.

• 1:18:49Matt Farah?

  There was, you know, Germany had a period of handsomeness. You know, I think the, the early nineties in Germany kind of handsomeness, uh, ruled, early to mid nineties. Um, hmm, but yeah. When, when an economy car is too aggressive, it can be weird. Unless it's like a Integra Type R or something, you know? Unless it's backed up by performance.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Yes, very true.

• 1:19:14Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah. Shout out to Cletus's Ultima S E R, right?

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  Get the cheer car out there, yeah.

• 1:19:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, he's like, you know what's funny is like, he's like, he, he really has mastered the, uh, redneck, you know, the rich guy redneck one, one-upsmanship? You know what I mean? Like, he's doing grimy shit, but he can afford the S E R.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, because you can't swap in a good diff into a stock Altima.

• 1:19:41Matt Farah?

  I'm just saying.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Right, so he shows up.

• 1:19:42Matt Farah?

  He knows what's gonna happen to his car and he's buying the good one anyway.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Right, that's a good point.

• 1:19:46Matt Farah?

  That's what I mean.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  And he still got crashed out, I don't know how.

• 1:19:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, hit the car, didn't make it.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:53Matt Farah?

  First World Problem Brit, uh, my current fun cars are a Boxster GTS 4O PDK, a low mileage 1989, oh, an 89 930? That's the shit, that's a G50 car. A 930 with a G50 is glorious. Especially if you have like, a little bit, like, a hot fucking turbo, a little bit, a little bit of exhaust.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Modern tires.

• 1:20:19Matt Farah?

  Modern tires and an intercooler and that motherfucker will shoot fire like this and it will be so fast. Uh, and a Ferrari F12. Considering early retirement, but if I do, I need to reduce my costs a bit. I love all these cars, but if I could condense the experience of these three cars into two cars, I'd save quite a bit in maintenance. I live in the UK and mostly use the cars for road trips in France, Spain and Italy. God damn, are you awesome.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Matt Farah?

  This dude rules.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Man, this is a tough fuck, Mary kill, it really is.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  Here's the thing. Okay, fuck, this is a really hard one. Turn three into two. Like, there's no replacement for any of these cars.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:09Matt Farah?

  I can't believe I'm saying this, I'd probably get rid of the Boxster and just keep the other two. And 89 930 is really special and it's not that it's, it's not cheap to run, but, oh, low mi, low mileage though. It's, I mean, I would just, I would just put miles on those, dude. I would put miles on the 930.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  And the F12, for me, the F12 obviously sounds amazing. And it's a great long-legged GT car. I mean, that, that is just like a classic, I think they're gorgeous, they're fun, they're fast. Better looking than the 812 in my opinion. And, uh, you know, if you have to keep a Porsche, I guess, keep the one where it kind of all began. Go with the 89 and then just live without the Boxster. You know, it's like, it's a nice car and it's a modern car, but the F12 gives you some of that, it gives you some flappy paddle.

• 1:21:59Matt Farah?

  Selling the Boxster would, you could pay for maintenance for the other two cars for like 20 years with, by selling the Boxster. Especially if, like, if that 930 doesn't need a top-end rebuild or doesn't need one of those big-ticket items really soon, then you're probably like, good. Man, I, I, it's tough because it, miles are gonna feel expensive on that 930. But if you're living, if you're, if you're fucking living, put miles on it. Couple weeks a year, road trip around Spain on a 930, god damn, is that awesome?

• 1:22:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, unless, unless the F12 is costing you money and causing too many problems and then, then I would get rid of that and keep, man, uh. That's hard. I can't get rid of the F12. What am I saying?

• 1:22:49Matt Farah?

  Owning a 12 cylinder Ferrari is good, is a very good thing.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Man, tough, tough question. ADAS in a Subaru and got an STI.

• 1:23:01Matt Farah?

  I'm looking at a first gen M Roadster versus a 2008 Vantage Roadster with an auto. LA area, I work remotely and this is a one car solution, less than 10K miles a year consisting of trips between Woodland Hills and Malibu, local errands. Okay. So you're not going to be sitting in that much traffic is what you're saying.

• 1:23:26Matt Farah?

  What are your thoughts and is the sports shift transmission in the Vantage really that terrible? It's pretty terrible. Bless you. It's pretty, it's pretty terrible.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:36Matt Farah?

  It's not like worse than what other exotic car manufacturers were doing at that time. Like it's the same as like the single clutch in a Ferrari or the single clutch in a Lambo, which is like pretty shitty.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  But I mean, but are they going to get M Roadster with a manual?

• 1:23:55Matt Farah?

  They only come with a manual.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  I'd rather have that. I've only driven one of them. I would rather have that because I just think the Vantage Roadster, the Roadster will sound amazing, or sorry, the Aston will, and then it's gonna be like, and just, it just ruins so much of the, for a car to me that look, it looks agile, fast, exciting. It has, it looks like all the pieces and it sounds like all the pieces. And then to drive it and have it just slowly shift this shit with this complicated system, I'd be over it so quick.

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  It's like buying an automatic Mustang of the time, honestly.

• 1:24:29Matt Farah?

  It's just not, it's so not your dream car at that point.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:34Matt Farah?

  I'd just, I would, if you really can't spend the extra money for the manual, I would look at a Jaguar F-Type with a manual instead. Like a 2017 F-Type coupe manual is like a great one, is like a $35,000 or $40,000 car, and that's way better than an 08 Vantage auto.

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they look fantastic.

• 1:24:57Matt Farah?

  And they look dope. Yeah. Murray Long, last name, ahoy from a ship off Catalina. What up, buddy? If you were to build a soft rotor, what would you start with? My great grandma isn't allowed to drive anymore, so her 2008 RAV4 and 99 RX300 are up for grabs in the family.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Well, the RAV4, you know, this is not the cool Papadakis RAV4.

• 1:25:25Matt Farah?

  No, it's the one after it. Yeah.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  This is the blobbish.

• 1:25:28Matt Farah?

  That one's not great. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's not exciting. So a first gen RX300, which is a 99, at least does have some character.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:38Matt Farah?

  And that was from the period where Lexus really was still on it. Lexus quality really peaked in about '05 and went downhill from there. So if it was an '03 RX300, that would be even better. But a 99 is pretty good.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:53Matt Farah?

  And that's pretty indestructible, indestructible, and I would definitely take that RX300.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Definitely. I think they look pretty good.

• 1:26:01Matt Farah?

  I would want to start with the '03 RX300, which my mom had, and it was the best one that she had. Grind My Gears said, do you think a small, used, oh, you think used car salespeople in 2026 still deserve the reputation of being shady and untrustworthy? I believe used car dealers in the past fairly earned that reputation, but have they cleaned up their act as of late? I don't think so at all.

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  If you follow mechanic advice on Reddit, there are plenty of people who say, I just bought this thing a month ago and there's metal in the oil. And they're like, I bought it from a used lot. So look, it's not a blanket statement. Like there's going to be good car dealers, there's going to be bad ones. And a lot of the bad ones now will roll people into loans they shouldn't. There's a lot of the predatory lending we've talked about. Yeah, there's bad people everywhere.

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, they, it, it, it became, you know, I think it used to be easier to hide problems in a car's history before Carfax and those type of services, right? That used to be harder to, so there's, there's still scams. They're just like evolved scams, you know? Now it's these crazy upside down financing deals or, you know, they've got trackers in your fucking car and you miss a payment and they just repo the thing the next day or, you know, all kinds of stuff. I mean, they just had to, they just had to make this new law, the consumer protection laws here in California with the, with the cooling off period that's, that's to prevent, to prevent exactly dealers from scamming people.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  Right. What is it? Customers have a certain number of days where they could return the car, right?

• 1:27:38Matt Farah?

  Yes. Yeah. Uli Kunkel's Autobahn, is there a road trip you did as a kid or a young person with your parents that really stands out in your memories? If so, what was it and what kind of car did you do it in? Do you have one?

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  Well, I've told this story before. So the quick version is my friend Jeremy and I, sophomore year of college, we're going to drive for Christmas break back to California. We're driving his, what, second gen RX7 with like mods on it and stuff. He's the only other car guy in the whole, well, two car guys in the fraternity. Why we did this in the winter, I don't know. We happened to choose a time where the roads were clear even though it was cold. We were ripping, like setting record time as, you know, 20 year old to do. Then we ran out of gas in Utah, a quarter mile from an exit. We got flat towed by a very nice person who was like, man, you guys passed me a while ago. And he was just so stoked on it. He flat towed us to the gas station and then we popped

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  the engine just outside St. George, Utah. We abandoned the car, got on a bus. Bus driver was like, what's up with that car? We're like, it's ours. We promise. It blew up. It was not stolen. And then we had to fly home from Salt Lake and we got home, you know, three days later than planned. But yeah, that was, that was quite a thing.

• 1:28:50Matt Farah?

  My parents, we weren't road trippy people per se. I was very fortunate in that when I was growing up, you know, when I was born, my parents were early in their careers and they got, my dad, you know, got quite successful, like, you know, as I got older. And so, you know, we did get to do quite a bit of travel. I got to, you know, I got to go places, but typically.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  What was the moon like?

• 1:29:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right?

• 1:29:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I did get to do some fairly baller shit as a kid in terms of travel. I flew on the Concorde once. That was really cool. You know, we did get to go to like other countries, which you don't appreciate when you're 10, the way I appreciate it now. If it was my kids, I probably wouldn't waste those experiences on a fucking 10 year old. I would probably wait it, but you know, whatever. It was as soon as I got my driver's license and it was freedom, you know, freedom to choose your own adventure all the time, that the idea of road trips became much more important to me. It was never, it never seemed that important to my parents, although my dad would fondly remember going across Europe

• 1:30:07Matt Farah?

  with his brothers and then driving across the, they bought, they went to Europe, bought a Volkswagen in Germany, road tripped it around Germany, flew home, shipped it home, and then drove it across California.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  And I think stuff like that was probably more exciting. One, when you're a teenager because it's freedom and you're out with your friends and you'll, you'll make mistakes and you'll have adventures and you'll sleep on a floor. But also the cars weren't as reliable. So there was probably like more opportunity for funny things and breakdowns. And nowadays it's like, me and my friends drove 3,000 miles across the country. It's like, and the car was fine.

• 1:30:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:30:42Matt Farah?

  ADAS in a Subaru and got an STI says, Polestar was forced out of the US for using Chinese tech, but Waymo can use Zeeker vehicles. How and why?

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  I don't know. Someone replied to them and said that the Zeekers using Google tech and the Polestar stuff was using Chinese tech.

• 1:30:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's more about the software than the manufacturer of the metal and whatever. And there may also be something to do with the fact that it's something that's being owned by Google as a fleet versus being sold to the public. There could be a entire exemption for that. Who knows? You know, Google bought Trump a fucking Big Mac and he signed a piece of paper, you know, that he had no idea what it said. And it turns out that they're allowed to have an entire fleet of Chinese cars.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. He signed their wrapper and it's like, now we don't have to.

• 1:31:32Matt Farah?

  You know, here's your gold brick, sir, you know, and, and here's this young woman to change your diaper and then filate you.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  It's a paperweight. It's not a gold bar. It's not a bribe.

• 1:31:42Matt Farah?

  P Car Photos is going to Road America for the IMSA six hour. Any must know tips for a first timer at Road America? Best photo spots, track tips, or anything else I shouldn't miss? The sausage. You shouldn't miss the sausage.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  Sausage sandwich is really good.

• 1:31:57Matt Farah?

  It's, I mean, it's, it's not that hard to figure out where to go because you can essentially follow the track the whole way around. There's like trails. If you have a mountain bike or a dirt bike or a moto, a small pit bike, boy, are you in business because it's a big place and you can ride like all the way around. But there's a great path that runs all down the curvy back straight to Canada Corner. And you can get there by bicycle or by foot or by, you can park at one end with your car.

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:32:31Matt Farah?

  Now, I was there for WRL, so with IMSA, they may have some areas that are blocked off. But because of the elevation, there's like tons of great photo spots. Yeah. And then eat a sausage.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:32:42Matt Farah?

  That's a thing.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  They have a great merch store too. Like really huge variety of stuff. I was very impressed by that.

• 1:32:49Matt Farah?

  There, yeah, yeah. Panic Stop at the Disc Brakes. That's fucking good. That goes two ways. I like it. Would you rather drive, whoa, wait, a manual car where the, where the pedals are completely reversed around? The middle is the gas, the left is the brake and the right is the clutch. Or where the steering wheel is mounted to the roof and point downward above your head?

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  Like you're trying to escape a submarine.

• 1:33:19Matt Farah?

  I would much rather drive a car where the steering wheel was in a weird place than where the pedals were not conventional.

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  If I had to drive it all the time, I'd rather drive the car where the pedal, because I can, I can memorize the pedals, but this is going to be unnatural and uncomfortable and the leverage is weird. So like over time, that would get bothersome. But as a one off article, sure.

• 1:33:39Matt Farah?

  I thought about it as once, not forever. But yeah, I'm with you on that. I've tried to drive, I drove, I've driven old cars, like, like the Alpha 8C from like the 30, 32, where the gas is the middle and the brake is on the right. And that shit is fucking, I'll bug you out, dude.

• 1:33:58Matt Farah?

  Quadrofolioface says the restomod momentum in the industry is fascinating and we're all very excited about the phenomenally expensive Singers, Gunthers, etc. Are there decent options nearer to the $200,000 or $300,000 mark? Doesn't have to be Porsche. I mean, Revology.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:18Matt Farah?

  Revology cars are around three and they're badass.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  I think if you want a brand newish car for that money, it's probably going to be based on a domestic versus something exotic, but with that much money, you could get like a used 355, get it serviced perfectly, maybe do a couple of mods and it'll be like the best version of that ever.

• 1:34:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, just the cost of labor, the cost of parts, the cost of everything that goes into re-engineering a car and the volume of cars they're really realistic going to sell. There's not, you know, you can't get the quality you really want for quote "only $200,000." It just takes a lot of labor to get there, you know? $200,000 is like what it would cost to like immaculately restore to OEM one of these cars at this point. You know, it just costs more than that to get that high level of quality.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  Well, you're also getting, you're getting a re-engineered car. You're getting all-new body panels, a whole new interior that is also designed, like the door cards on the Singer cars don't just look like standard doors that are re-leathered. So you're getting all these different pieces and new engines. So it's kind of like that old, you know, reliable, fast, cheap, pick two. This is like, do you want the interior done, the exterior done, the engine, or the suspension re-engineered? Like, pick two.

• 1:35:44Matt Farah?

  Levi Sinclair says, "When an economy car shares design characteristics with a luxury exotic car, does it raise up the cheaper car or bring down the more expensive one? Example, the 2024 Kia Sportage. Is it cooler because it has Lamborghini headlights or is the Lamborghini less cool because it has Kia headlights?" I don't think anyone is really confusing the two. I don't think it brings down the more expensive car, except like, like, I will say, not appliance cars, because I just don't think anyone's really

• 1:36:26Matt Farah?

  confusing them. But a guy I know who is right around the corner from here at the shop has a McLaren 720 or 750. And when the C8 Z06 like came out, a couple people went up to him and asked him if his car was like the new Z06 and he was like, kind of shitty about it. But I don't think, I don't think applying those features to economy cars and/or appliance cars takes away from the supercar so much.

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  I mean, I also like, I'm pulling, I have pictures of each of these cars up, the Kia and the Revolto. Similar, but not the same. And also, there's so much else going on when you see a Revolto on the street. I saw a red one here two weeks ago. You notice the lights for half a second and the rest of your brain is like, whoa, just Lamborghini. There's so much information. So this is not a one-to-one comparison.

• 1:37:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I think Levi noticed it because another company cribbed that little bit from it and he went, "Oh, I recognize this design aesthetic. It's from this." But in the context of a whole car next to another whole car, there's a lot more going on there than just that light thing, you know?

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think what I meant is there are cars where we have seen the exact headlight is, you know, on this and this car and the other car. Whereas we've spoken about the whole Maserati, you know, window switch thing, taken from Dodges. They go, well, Maserati customers have never been in a Dodge. But this is like a likeness, but I don't think it's close enough where most people would connect the two dots.

• 1:38:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Pull this link up for listen and sometimes watch. A 36,000 mile '06 Mini Cooper JCW just sold for $33,000 on bat. Is this a sign of renewed interest? Well, first off, this looks like a fucking fabulously presented example. I mean, look at this title photo. This title photo is beautifully lit. It's pro-grade. Let's go, let's, let's learn about this car. It's got the JCW package, cockpit chrono, cold weather, convenience. So it's fully fucking loaded. It's got the 17-inch wheels rather than the 18-inch wheels, which is a better choice. It's offered by a local partner. It's low miles. I mean, dude,

• 1:38:48Matt Farah?

  I sold my car after having it for two years with 49,000 miles. This is now 20 years later and it's got less miles than that. Let's see the interior. How's it look? Oh, so this has the, so this has the real leather? I didn't like the real leather because of how it wrinkled there at the bottom. I had the synthetic leather, but that is, that is the real leather. And dude, these cars were awesome. I cannot tell you how fucking fun this car was to drive. It made the coolest sounds. It absolutely ripped. It felt like it was built like a BMW, not like a Subaru or an Evo. It felt like a luxury car. It had a ton of space in it.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  What a dashboard.

• 1:39:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  Especially these days, like just the chrome bezels and then the toggles down here. It's so good.

• 1:39:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It was so nice. And this one looks really, really clean.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  Geez, the underside is spotless.

• 1:39:46Matt Farah?

  I, I, I don't see these come up a lot. You don't see '06s. You don't see JCWs. You know, these cars didn't really work very well when you put a lot of miles on them and people didn't do all the maintenance was really expensive on them too. And so people didn't do it. They went to shit and they got crashed and they got, you know, whatever. So they were not always, you know, available really, but I'm not surprised that someone was willing to pay a good amount of money for this car.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  They're great.

• 1:40:18Matt Farah?

  Considering what it would cost you in time and energy to find a better one than, than that, assuming there's no shady shit going on, because these weren't bought to collect. They were bought to be used as everyday cars. And so, so it's not like there's a bunch of 2,000 mile ones sitting around. That's not really a thing with those.

• 1:40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the enthusiasm people have for M3s, for example, granted, they have some racing pedigree, but like, if you take that same kind of enthusiasm, it should be applied to the, to the Mini Cooper because they are fantastic cars. They're unique. They look good. They're fast. They're exciting. Like, they're everything we like as car enthusiasts. So I think it's totally justified that they're expensive.

• 1:41:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. JanSport Transport Perspiration Club, allegedly. "As an avid Utah hiker, I do long highway miles at 80 miles an hour, followed by long 40 mile an hour plus sections on gravel fire roads. How would a stock first gen Raptor and a Colorado ZR2 compared to a overlanding Cayenne or a gravel-prepped E, like E46 wagon like from my all cars?" So should you get a truck or a ZR2 or an off-road prepped Cayenne or maybe an actual rally

• 1:41:41Matt Farah?

  car? What to do with 80 mile an hour transits followed by 40 miles an hour on gravel?

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  Well, I think both of those trucks are amazing, but they're too much truck if all you're doing is gravel roads. They're fun. And if there's a jump in the middle of the road, sure, that's a fun time, but like, you are underusing the capabilities of both of those trucks. And then on the highway, like, you're going to have, you're going to get worse gas mileage. You have a higher profile, blah, blah, blah. I think rally cars exist for a reason, and this is a perfect example of the reason. You're going from tarmac to gravel. So I would want something that is lower than a truck and has a lower center of gravity and has a good, you know, suspension that's just a little soft to absorb all the little rocks. So the suspension you put on the E46, fantastic. But also a bone stock Outback Wilderness or, you know, plenty of other Subarus, also fine.

• 1:42:33Matt Farah?

  That's, dude, your answer, you just said it. The answer here, it's, it's not exciting, but it's Outback Wilderness. That car had such a good ride on gravel roads and it's comfortable, it's fuel efficient, it's got all the modern tech in it. You can throw all your, you could sleep in the back of it if you want. And it's, they're cheap. I think it was under $40,000, brand new, or like $42,000.

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  Pretty quick.

• 1:43:03Matt Farah?

  $41,000 or $42,000. Dude, that's your car. Seriously, that, a Forester Wilderness or an Outback Wilderness are, that's exactly what that car is meant for.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  And we drove it on a kind of rutted gravel road. So this wasn't like a perfect road by any means and the damping was, was wonderful.

• 1:43:19Matt Farah?

  Having said that, there is really something to be said for, an Outback Wilderness is perfect if you want a car to do everything in your life, including this hiking thing. If you want a hiking beater, the E46 wagon with rally Suspension, get the right tires and a couple of skid plates. I cannot endorse this highly enough.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:46Matt Farah?

  Honestly, a rear wheel drive rally beater for stage roads. You, you might end up with a whole lot of joy in your life that you didn't know you didn't have before.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Matt Farah?

  Like, you might go, you could get sendy in a car. If you're, if you're driving your regular car down the road, you're not going to treat it the same as if you're driving your rally beater down the road.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  Very true. And with the suspension you had and some taller tires, you can get about four inches of ground clearance added to an E46 before you have to start like fabricating stuff. So you can get a pretty good amount of clearance and that's kind of what you're going to need.

• 1:44:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Okay. Two, okay, the boy who cried coyote. I'm getting into watches, got my first automatic watch, an Orient Bambino. Uh, Orient is another brand that Seiko owns. Uh, in learning more about watches, it seems like some people are really fixated on some specs, such as having over 200 meters of water resistance or crazy high gauss ratings. That's the magnetic resistance. Um, is this similar to a guy who plays more for the Rubicon Jeep, but will never actually use the locking diffs? Sort of. Yeah, sort of.

• 1:45:00Matt Farah?

  Um, it, it, water resistance ratings are a very funny thing because they're not actually directly related to how much water the watch can take. So if a watch has like a 10 meter water resistance rating, that's like 30, 33 feet, give or take.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:19Matt Farah?

  Right? You, you should not go swimming with that watch. And I know that that is stupid. I know how stupid that sounds. I'm talking about the generally acceptable practices given water resistance rating.

• 1:45:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:45:32Matt Farah?

  10 meters water resistance generally means you could wash your hands with this or maybe get it splashed. Or like a shower if you're careful. But like, and do the dishes.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  Then why do they call it?

• 1:45:47Matt Farah?

  Don't know.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:45:48Matt Farah?

  Don't know. Don't know.

• 1:45:50Speaker 01

  It's like bulletproof doesn't mean bulletproof.

• 1:45:51Matt Farah?

  You know, I, I wouldn't really go actual swimming of any kind, pool, hot tub, anything with, with less than a hundred meters. Water resistance. I wouldn't personally. Like my cutoff is usually a screw down crown, which the notice Canyon has, but some watches don't. Or Weiss watches, for instance. Um, I, I, you know, I love Cameron. I wouldn't go swimming in that watch. Uh, my Speedmaster with the hand wound crown technically has like, I think a 50 meter maybe. Not, not going in the water in that watch. I'll do dishes.

• 1:46:23Speaker 01

  And I guess it is, it should be said that they say water resistant to, not waterproof to, right?

• 1:46:27Matt Farah?

  Right. And so a 200 meter watch is a watch where I start to go, I could jump in the water with this. I can shower with this. I can go to a hot tub with this. I can go into cold water with this. It could handle, uh, if I, if, uh, like a pressure washer almost, not that I would take a direct shot from a pressure washer, but like.

• 1:46:47Speaker 01

  Would you scuba dive with it?

• 1:46:48Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:49Matt Farah?

  I would, 200 meters, I would do basic recreational scuba diving with. Yes, totally. That's where it's like a serious water watch, but a hundred meters is I'll go in the pool. Um, I know that's stupid. I know that's, that, but, but this is, if you go and watch forums and shit, this is the generally accepted practice. I'm a little more liberal, both politically and with my watches. So like, I, I, I might jump in the pool with a, with a 50 meter, but not with a 10. You know what I mean? So I, anyway.

• 1:47:26Matt Farah?

  Last one, another watch question. L McPherson strutting around. L McPherson strutting around. How do you feel about the new smart watch attachments for regular watches like case back buttons or smart bracelets? Uh, have you seen these yet?

• 1:47:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:47:41Matt Farah?

  It's an, it's an interesting idea and one I like in general. There's two approaches to having your analog watch act as a pseudo smart watch. One of them is a little disc that looks almost like a quarter that sticks to the back of your watch. And it becomes the health tracker that then just connects to your phone.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:48:10Matt Farah?

  It, it turns the back of your watch into like a whoop. Right? That's, that's this one, I believe. This is the disc. It's called Ganance. So on the one hand, like this is actually pretty cool. It allows you to wear your regular watch and it, it, it does the health tracking thing. What I don't, what I see about it that I, and, and that I don't like is it looks to add two to three millimeters to the thickness of your watch. And so it's going to make your watch sit up off your wrist, kind of like a top hat.

• 1:48:45Speaker 01

  And you can see in this picture, there's a shadow underneath the watch because that's how much it's lifted it from, from the person's wrist.

• 1:48:51Matt Farah?

  So that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. And if it may, it may in fact be, uh, better for you than wearing a separate fitness tracker, if that's what you want to do. So the other one I saw takes, it replaces your, my deployment clasp on my wrist side with a, an actual Apple watch. So I'm wearing my watch here, my mechanical flip side, wrist side is, is an Apple watch. So interesting.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:49:21Matt Farah?

  Interesting for sure.

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  I'd rather have the, the deployment clasp replaced with some sort of smart thing like the disc.

• 1:49:27Matt Farah?

  So I, my thought would be to have, to have the disc on the underside.

• 1:49:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's how I would want it.

• 1:49:35Speaker 01

  And sell it.

• 1:49:35Matt Farah?

  I, I, someone will get there, but even, look at the, look at the one that he's showing it, holding it in this palm here. I mean, look at the stack that's happening there. So if you ask me, as a watch enthusiast, if I wanted fitness tracking, I would wear a whoop on my other hand, or I'd wear an Oura ring. I would not personally fuck with my watch.

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  I wouldn't compromise the existing watch. Compromise meaning like it changes the fit, the look. It changes all, you know, so many things about the watch.

• 1:50:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:02Speaker 01

  Interesting idea though.

• 1:50:03Matt Farah?

  I, I like the thought. I like where their head is at. If, if, if they applied this technology to a deployment clasp that was also a whoop, because a whoop kind of looks like a deployment clasp.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:50:14Matt Farah?

  Imagine, imagine a whoop with a bit, with that was a deployment clasp. Like that would be awesome. Like I would be really interested in a product like that, even though I'm probably the wrong buyer because I change my watch every day and I wouldn't be changing this around every day. Same reason I don't fuck with a dash cam. Same reason I don't want to run the Valentine date. People are always like, what dash cam do you use? I'm like, I'm in a different car every eight minutes. I can't be, I can't be using that stuff. All right. What do you say? Is that our show, Zach?

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  That's our show.

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• 1:51:29Matt Farah?

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• 1:51:42Speaker 01

  Nuts.

• 1:51:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, thanks, everybody. Thank you especially to our patrons, keeping the ship floating down the ocean and I'll see you next time. Bye.