TBT: Shanna Moakler

Bunnie welcomes the gorgeous Shanna Moakler to the show this week. She's not just a pop culture icon but truly embodies the essence of being unbothered. Shanna takes us on her journey – how she got into the world of pageantry, modeling and acting, and eventually found her way to the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. Get ready for some real talk as Shanna opens up about everything from the lawsuit with Trump, her relationships, with Oscar De La Hoya and Travis Barker, and where things stand with her family today. Shanna:IG https://www.instagram.com/shannamoakler/?hl=en Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

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• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 0:27Speaker 01

  Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker, now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

• 0:32Bunnie XO?

  Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are.

• 0:42Bunnie XO?

  Hi babies, welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, we have a true icon, one who has lived a full life and not just because of her exes, but because of hard work, tenacity, and her sheer will to shine. Ms. Shanna Moakler.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Hello.

• 0:59Bunnie XO?

  What you doing?

• 1:00Speaker 02

  That's a nice introduction.

• 1:01Bunnie XO?

  I mean, listen, girl, I fucking, I, I've always loved you, but I really had to kind of study you for the podcast, you know? And you're so, you're resilient as fuck.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:13Bunnie XO?

  And you've been through some shit.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Yes, I have.

• 1:15Bunnie XO?

  A lot, a lot. And I can't wait to touch base on it. And I feel like the media villainized.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  They're so kind.

• 1:23Bunnie XO?

  Aren't they sweet? They're so sweet.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  They're so kind to me.

• 1:26Bunnie XO?

  I've never had to deal with it on your level. I'm just now getting into it.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Sure, sure.

• 1:29Bunnie XO?

  And just the outright lies.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32Bunnie XO?

  I don't know how you've, you have, are like a pop, a pop culture icon.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:36Bunnie XO?

  Literally. Like, everybody knows who you are. And if they don't, they fucking, I don't even live under a rock. Like, for sure.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Thank you. Love you more, more.

• 1:44Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I got you, baby. I got you. But I just love that no matter what life has thrown at you, you've always made it a positive. You've always got back up on your feet and you've always just been like, you hit like a bitch and I'm just gonna keep doing me.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58Bunnie XO?

  And you're outspoken.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  It's east coast.

• 1:59Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I love that. So yeah, let's talk about it. So you grew up in Rhode Island?

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was born and raised in Rhode Island. I was born in Providence, raised in a small town called Barrington. And I was born and raised there. And I just always wanted to get into the entertainment industry. So um, there wasn't a big booming one in Rhode Island. So I started out in pageants. That's how I got into pageantry. And uh, yeah, I I graduated high school. I moved to Miami. I modeled there. I went to New York. I modeled there.

• 2:26Bunnie XO?

  Let's uh, let's, let's slow it down. Okay. I can tell you're so used to doing interviews because she's like, let's get it in all of them. But we're gonna stop right there. So you grew up in Rhode Island. How was your relationship with your parents? Because I know that they both.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I lost both my parents.

• 2:38Bunnie XO?

  That is fucking tough, dude.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's brutal. Um, I'm very grateful that I had my parents for as long as I did. And and I mean, it's just one of those parts of life, you know, where you know it's gonna happen one day, but you just are like, no, it's never gonna happen. But you know, I um, I'm they were married for fifty two years and they were honestly like two of the most incredible human beings and I'm so grateful that I had them. In fact, you know, I I um, I kind of uh, think that my, I think my strength and my resilience is because of them because I had uh, such a strong family. Um, you know, supporting me through all the craziness and the roller coaster ride. So uh, you know, yeah, losing them, this is my first, you know, year without them. And I'm like, I'll cry.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  I'm gonna start crying, but um, you know, this is like my first holidays without them and it's, it's hardcore. It's just, I mean, it's just that part of life, you know, that you just never wanted to have happen, but happened. And so, yeah, it's been, it's been a really gnarly year for me, but.

• 3:39Bunnie XO?

  That's brutal.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they, they were my strength. They always supported me and they were so good to me. And you know, without them, I wouldn't be where I am today. And I'm just so grateful. You know, I know I, I have friends that, you know, didn't even know their parents and you know, didn't have that. So I'm just really happy I got to have him for as, for as long as I did. He's so awesome.

• 3:57Bunnie XO?

  Chachi's just sprawled out, dick and, dick and everything, just hanging out right now. Um.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  So cute.

• 4:02Bunnie XO?

  My heart breaks for you. I lost my mom last November and then I found out my dad has stage four cancer this year. So I'm watching him die. So I couldn't even imagine, you know, what you're going through, losing them.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was prepared for my dad to pass. You know, he was really, I'm the last of four. He was, he was like eighty five. Five eighty six and but my mom was like just a like a super surprise, you know, so my condolences, honestly.

• 4:27Bunnie XO?

  No, same to you. Um, uh, what I forgot. Now I got all emotional too, thinking about it. I forgot what I was gonna ask. Um, oh, you said that your mom was surprised. Do you think that she possibly died from a broken heart?

• 4:38Speaker 02

  She she actually died first. She died January third. Yeah, she had a massive like heart attack just out of nowhere, no, no. Really healthy and doing well. I mean, I thought I was gonna have her for like another, I thought she was gonna drive me crazy for another twenty years, you know? But, um, uh, after she died, I knew, I knew when one went, the other one would be really close, like some notebook style stuff, you know, so. Um, at one point, my dad was just so sick that I just was like, God, like, please, mom.

• 5:03Bunnie XO?

  That's where I'm at with my dad.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Come take him, please.

• 5:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like I don't want him to hurt anymore. No, I totally. Well, back to your childhood. Let's let's get off the sad subject.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 5:12Bunnie XO?

  Um, back to your childhood. So when did you start modeling as a as a baby or like?

• 5:17Speaker 02

  No, I started modeling when I was, I went to, I wanted to be a model so bad. My dad had this, uh, he was a dentist. And he had this, uh, model from New York who would come to just see him and she was a Revlon model. And I just, when she would come, I would be like, wow. But I would watch like, you know, Barbie commercials and stuff and be like, I wanna do that, you know, like I don't want the Barbies. I wanna be in the commercial. Yeah, I always loved that. And, uh, so my mom put me in a John Casablancas like modeling.

• 5:44Bunnie XO?

  I remember the John Casablancas. They used to be at the malls.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they're like in the malls and stuff and.

• 5:50Bunnie XO?

  Only the real OGs know that.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally. And, uh, and, um, I was like four eleven and like seventy five pounds. My mom was like, I don't know how to tell you, you know?

• 6:00Bunnie XO?

  This isn't a dream you're gonna have, yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  And but she put me in modeling and the, uh, the pageant, uh, the Miss Rhode Island Teen USA pageant, uh, people were there. And they were like, you should come do the pageant. I was like fifteen. I was like, okay. And I did it and I placed like first runner up and then I. I I finally, I I just became like a kid model and I started making bank, like being a kid, like a junior model. And my parents were like, oh shit, maybe like she can do something with this, you know? Because I was doing like national campaigns, but as like a, like, like a kid.

• 6:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  But then I I finally hit puberty and I grew and, uh, and, uh, the next year I I ended up winning the Miss Rhode Island Teen USA pageant. I went to Miss Teen USA.

• 6:41Bunnie XO?

  What is doing pageants like, I mean, especially at a young age, do you, did you feel like all the competition? How were the girls like, did it create like insecurities in you? Because I would hate to be judged that young because I was so fucking awkward as a teenager.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  I guess I looked at it more of like the glamour part of it, like the show. Like I was like, I want to be part of the show and the lights and the, um, and I was excited to interview and like, you know, share my personality with people and, um, and the girls were great, you know, you made friends and they had events for us and, um, and they would teach you like beauty stuff, you know, and there was lots of networking, you know? So like, you know, they would go to John Casablanca's, they would go to modeling schools, they would introduce you to agencies. And that's what I was trying to get, you know? And so, uh,

• 7:28Bunnie XO?

  Even so, even at such a young age, you really just had your eye on the prize.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:32Bunnie XO?

  You knew what you wanted to do.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  I was so ambitious.

• 7:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  I was like, I'm gonna, and people would laugh at me, you know, my, I remember being in school and writing down like, I want to be a model and an actress and like, it was like out of a movie that everyone like pointing and laughing, you know? But I was like, I'm gonna,

• 7:47Bunnie XO?

  You manifested your life.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna do it. And it's funny because I always wanted to be a model and they were like, oh, you're too little, you're too this, you'll never be a model. Then when I, when I became a big model, then they were like, oh, well, I was like, I want to be an actress. And they're like, well, you can't be an actress. And then I became an actress and it's like, oh, well, you did TV, you can't do movies. You know, it's always like, they always will tell you something.

• 8:06Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I was just talking about that on my TikTok live today. I was like, they said, I forgot what the question was, but I was like, oh, they said, as an entrepreneur, what would you say? I said, never give up on yourself because you are the only one who's gonna have your back a hundred percent. So no matter if they tell you no, do it anyways.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, try, you know, even if it doesn't work out. I mean, there's so many things I've tried and failed at, but you know, you gotta try. And I think just, just even the first step, you know, just getting yourself out there. That's the hardest part. Once you do that, then you just keep, you know, one step at a time.

• 8:35Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. So take me on this journey. You were doing pageants and then how did you end up in LA and?

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah.

• 8:43Bunnie XO?

  Was that at a young age too?

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I, um, I graduated high school. I moved to Miami. I did season there for, you know, like, um, There and then I, you know, we follow seasons and I moved to New York and I competed in Miss New York USA.

• 8:57Bunnie XO?

  What does that mean, follow seasons?

• 8:59Speaker 02

  So in modeling, there's like seasons where, you know, the weather is really beautiful and all the clients and everyone go to Miami and shoot.

• 9:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  And then when the weather gets too hot, everyone goes to New York and then the weather gets nice there. So then everyone, they follow the seasons.

• 9:12Bunnie XO?

  I never knew that.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, yeah. That's, so that's what I did and I, I, I loved doing Miss Teen USA so much that I wanted to do Miss USA. So I did Miss New York and I won that and then um, I went to Miss USA. I was actually first runner up and the girl who beat me went to Miss Universe, so I inherited the title of Miss USA. And back then, we were based in Los Angeles, so I moved to LA to be Miss USA for a year. And um, and that's how I got to LA. I was nineteen years old. I was like the youngest Miss USA in like a decade. It was pretty crazy.

• 9:41Bunnie XO?

  That is so crazy that you accomplished so much in such a short amount of time.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:45Bunnie XO?

  And I feel like people don't focus on that with you. They don't focus on your accomplishments. They wanna just focus on like, comments or shit that gets said and it's like.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, they wanna focus on who I dated, you know, and I'm like, I have like.

• 9:55Bunnie XO?

  And we'll get, we'll get to that, but that's not you.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy to me because I'm like, you know, I've, I've really worked my ass off, you know, I've like beat the streets of Providence, Boston, Miami, New York, LA, and I've auditioned for every, everything I've ever done. I've, I had to audition. It wasn't like I was just handed to me. One role was handed to me, but everything else was not handed to me, you know, I don't think people realize that.

• 10:18Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Thank you for that.

• 10:19Bunnie XO?

  Of course, and that's really one of the things I wanted to highlight in this interview is like, you're so much more than what is in the tabloids.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 10:27Bunnie XO?

  And um, so going back to you doing all of this, like where are you living? How are you supporting yourself?

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Well, when I moved to um, LA, when you win Miss USA, you got an apartment in LA for a year and you got free transportation and, um, and they flew me all over the country and I worked with different charities like Special Olympics. I, I went to huge Hollywood, um, uh, you know, um, what do they call them, premieres and things, I, and I signed with William Morris and that was like, yeah, that's, uh, my career took off pretty quickly. That's when I got on Pacific Blue and uh, became a series. Regular and um my yeah, everything kind of took off. So and then after my year's over, I crowned Ally Landry, the famous Doritos girl. And um, and yeah, I just got a little apartment in LA and I just hit the, hit the streets.

• 11:14Bunnie XO?

  Hit the streets and running, baby. So, okay, you're nineteen years old. You're in LA. How is nineteen year old Shanna feeling? Coming from fucking small Rhode Island. Which is beautiful, but.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, LA was hard at first to get used to, especially coming from the East Coast. Um, East Coast people will come to LA and do pretty good. LA people will go to the East Coast and they usually come back real. Real quick, they don't like it as much over there. But um, it was hard, you know, LA's um, you know, it's a bigger city. It's very spread out and it's very cliquey. People, you know, they see a lot of people come and go. They see a lot of Hollywood people. Um, and so they don't let people into their cliques very easy. So it was hard to make friends, but I eventually did and um, I just, I just, I look back now and I mean, I just had the time of my life.

• 12:05Bunnie XO?

  Kind of felt like where your soul belonged.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. This was like home and you know, the, my OG, the old crew of Hollywood. I'm actually gonna see them all. Um, we're gonna be celebrating one of our OG's uh, birthdays um, coming up this Saturday and I'll see a lot of the old school people. And it was just like the best time ever. It feels like a million lifetimes ago, but it was like the most amazing, amazing time of my life.

• 12:28Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy? Cause you and I are around the same age. Isn't it crazy to think back to twenty years ago and we're just like, Bro, how the fuck did it fly by so fast?

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's gonna be like thirty years from me. I'm forty eight. I'm gonna be forty nine and I, you know, I moved here when I was nineteen, LA when I was nineteen. And I'm like, how did I like, how did, where did those two decades go?

• 12:50Speaker 02

  My forties, no. Like, it's so crazy.

• 12:52Bunnie XO?

  Dude, my twenties and thirties were a blur. I grew up in Vegas, so I could only imagine. I, we spent hella time in LA too. So I can only imagine living in that twenty-four seven.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so crazy.

• 13:02Bunnie XO?

  Take me to one of the first premieres that you ever went to. Like, how did you feel? Like, were you excited? Was it like, were you nervous?

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, um. I, ah, God, one of my first premieres, kind of, I don't even know it would be my first one, but I mean.

• 13:17Bunnie XO?

  Or one of, one of the most memorable ones.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Um, I get, oh God, I have really, I have a really funny story for you.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  You'll like this. Okay, so I, I was friends with Kato Kalen back in the day.

• 13:29Bunnie XO?

  Oh my God.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  And he was like, I got a friend who, um, he was like, I got a friend that needs a date to a movie premiere and, um, and I'm like, who? And he's like, Bill Maher. And I didn't really know. Back then, he just had like, his show was on like, um, Comedy Central or something like that. I'm not a huge fan of Bill Maher and I'm sorry if you guys all are, but, um, I'm not.

• 13:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  So, um, but I was like, uh, all right, I'll go, like, fuck it. It was like, um, it was like this Sean Penn movie, you know?

• 13:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh geez, yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  And I was like, okay. And, uh, so I go and he, you know, he picks me up and he takes me to this movie premiere and we do like the red carpet and it's like, really cool. And I meet like all these huge celebrities and all this stuff. And, um, Francis Ford Coppola is sitting in front of us with his daughter. And I'm just like, this is the fucking coolest thing ever. But I'm with Bill Maher, you know, and I'm like, whatever, fuck it, you know?

• 14:16Bunnie XO?

  How old was Bill back then?

• 14:18Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 14:19Bunnie XO?

  Cause he's always been old.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  I think he's like the same age as me, but he's like real fucking proud to have me like on his arm. And he's like, with like the guys, like, you know, like, oh, his friends. And I'm just like, oh Christ, you know, like, no, like, it's not happening. Anyway, so, we, uh, after the premiere, Sean Penn goes up to him and he's like, hey, we're gonna go to Jack Nicholson's house.

• 14:38Bunnie XO?

  Good old Jack.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, come on, come on up with him. And I had known Jack and I had known Sean, whatever. And we get in the car and Bill, puts his like hand on my leg and I'm just like, oh no. I don't want them like, you know, like, no, like, I'm not, no. But, um, this is terrible. This is a terrible story, but.

• 14:56Bunnie XO?

  It's fucking awesome.

• 14:57Speaker 02

  Fucking care, like, I can't stand him. So, um, this is, this is payback, Bill. So, um, like, he cares. Um, but we, uh, so we go up there to like Jack Nicholson's house and, you know, and, and it was really fun and.

• 15:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. How is Jack? Jack is a fucking icon.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Oh, he's, he introduced me to my, um, basically to Oscar De La Hoya. I was like at Jack's house and he was like, this is the golden boy, you know, all the ladies love. This guy.

• 15:24Bunnie XO?

  No, I love Jack so much.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  And I was like, yeah, he is hot, you know? And um, and then I remember when I, I went out like the, like that week and I met Oscar and I was like, that's the guy that Jack was telling me about, you know? And uh, when Oscar and I actually ended up-

• 15:38Bunnie XO?

  Did you meet Oscar with Bill Maher? Or?

• 15:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 15:41Bunnie XO?

  Okay, just two separate?

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, two separate, two separate things.

• 15:44Bunnie XO?

  So how did it end with Bill Maher? And we'll move on to Oscar.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then we'll go over there. Um, so, you know, he's trying to get Sean on his show and he's trying to get Jack on his show, whatever. And then he wanted me to sit next to him and I didn't, I didn't, I was like, uncomfortable, so I like-

• 15:57Bunnie XO?

  How old were you?

• 15:58Speaker 02

  I was like twenty.

• 15:59Bunnie XO?

  Okay, just a baby.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like a baby, yeah.

• 16:02Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy how like, and Bill Maher's the same age, I swear, how old is Bill Maher? Can we Google that? Cause he was old back then.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  I feel like, yeah.

• 16:09Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he's not the same age.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  He's always kind of looked like the same, do you, yeah, he's like one of those people that like-

• 16:14Bunnie XO?

  Constantly old?

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, constantly.

• 16:17Bunnie XO?

  You know what I'm talking about? Like Mr. Rogers, love Mr. Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I thought.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  So he was forty when I was twenty.

• 16:26Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy, that's even worse, Bill, come on.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  So like, yeah, whatever. So um, anyway, we end up leaving and he was really angry that I didn't like, when he was like, when I, when I, like, I moved from sitting next to him. Like, he wanted the guys to think that he had this like hot little blonde with him and I was like, no, I don't want them to think that I'm with you.

• 16:47Bunnie XO?

  Bro, you're like old as shit.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, so um, and in the car, uh, he was like really angry with me. And so I just started talking to like the driver and stuff and then we got out.

• 16:55Bunnie XO?

  I love how nothing phases you, girl. I need to do your birth chart because I know you're an Aries, but what's your moon?

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Um, I think I'm a Virgo.

• 17:03Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha, I could see that for sure.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  I'm not sure about-

• 17:05Bunnie XO?

  I need to do your birth chart after the show because it's just how unbothered you are is fucking priceless.

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Oh, like, I was like, you're not gonna ruin my time. Like, I was like, I came out here to like, you know, like just to have fun, like I-

• 17:17Bunnie XO?

  No expectation.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, no expectation, I wasn't here to date you, I was just like, we were just going out as like friends and you know, whatever. Um, and then he got out of the car, we got out of the car and I remember I walked, I had a doorman, I was on Wilshire corridor back then and my doorman knew me and, you know, and he walked in and he goes, "I just want to let you know that you are one of the most disrespectful young women I have ever met in my entire life." And I was like, "Excuse me?" And he's like, "Shh." And I was like, "Did you?" Did you just shush me? And I, and he was like, he goes, and I just want you to know, I will never, ever be seeing you again. You should have let those men know that you were with me and you are completely disrespectful. And I was like, first of all,

• 17:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  I was like, I'm not your bitch. I'm not your girlfriend and I don't need to let anyone know that I'm with you. And I was like, and I'm totally fine, like not seeing you again. And I remember he left and my doorman was like, what the fuck was that? And I was like, I don't know. And ever since then, I've been like, boo, fuck Bill Maher.

• 18:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I'm like, fuck Bill Maher. Oh God, that is, that's a priceless fucking story, for sure.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  I'm like, thanks, Kato fucking Caitlin.

• 18:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, where the hell's Kato Caitlin at now?

• 18:23Speaker 02

  I don't know, he did Big Brother too, not too long ago, like Celebrity Big Brother, but.

• 18:26Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he pops in at the weirdest times.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, the weirdest, the weirdest times.

• 18:30Bunnie XO?

  He popped in for the OJ shit.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:32Bunnie XO?

  He popped in for like.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I did Big Brother and he popped in and did a little stint on there and then just like ran off and.

• 18:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that dude has made a fucking career off just popping in and like being like people's friends. Like it's just, it's crazy. Yeah. That's what he's known for. I don't, he's not an actor or anything, is he?

• 18:48Speaker 02

  I don't know what he's ever done.

• 18:50Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  I know, like, he's a guest house, like.

• 18:53Bunnie XO?

  I know, but he's somehow a fucking household name, so he figured it out for himself, you know?

• 18:57Speaker 02

  That's Hollywood for you, you know, people can like.

• 18:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, for making a name off themselves, just, just being themselves, I guess, being roommates of people.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah.

• 19:06Bunnie XO?

  So let's, let's move on. So you, what, how old were you when you met Oscar?

• 19:10Speaker 02

  I was, um, I was like 22 turning, I was like 22, 23.

• 19:17Bunnie XO?

  So you had originally met him when you were 20, didn't really know who he was and then kind of just like, you guys crossed paths again?

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:24Bunnie XO?

  So take me on that gap in between 20 to 22, what are you doing out there just?

• 19:27Speaker 02

  I'm working. I'm a, I'm on a, the USA show, Pacific Blue.

• 19:31Bunnie XO?

  Yes, I got that list right here.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  I was working and.

• 19:34Bunnie XO?

  You did a bunch of shows. You did Pacific Blue, you did CSI, Entourage, which is iconic as fuck.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  People love that.

• 19:43Bunnie XO?

  How was it on the, on the Entourage?

• 19:44Speaker 02

  Oh, that, I mean, that's such a great show. And you know, that show was so successful.

• 19:48Bunnie XO?

  So good.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  When you have a show that is so successful and everyone's making money, the set's really fun because there's a lot of money and everyone's really happy. And so it's a, it's a nice place to work.

• 19:58Bunnie XO?

  How were all the boys?

• 19:59Speaker 02

  They're just amazing. Yeah. Kevin Connolly is like so awesome. I've known him forever. He's such a good guy. And, um, yeah, everyone on the, on the show. I love all those guys.

• 20:10Bunnie XO?

  Just amazing. I love that for you. It's just such an iconic show, you know? Um, and you also were on The Wedding Singer.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was my first, that was one of my first roles, um, I ever did. I was at a barbecue. And Adam Sandler was like, hey, do you want to like, that's the one role where he was like, hey, do you want to, you know, be in this movie?

• 20:26Bunnie XO?

  How do you just go to a barbecue with Adam Sandler?

• 20:29Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 20:29Bunnie XO?

  I'd shit my, I'd shit my pants because that's, that's father.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  You know, that's the thing. Like, you know, back then, every night you went out, you know, you were just, everyone used to go out.

• 20:39Bunnie XO?

  It wasn't so pretentious.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, like there's so many celebrities, you just ran in the circles like.

• 20:43Bunnie XO?

  That's how Vegas was. Vegas and Hollywood were so much alike. Like I would go to the fucking Palms and Pamela Anderson would be there. Fucking Anna Nicole, you know, like.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Everyone, the people were just going out. No one had security. It was like really fun. It was like the Playboy Mansion. You know, those parties when he first, you know, lit the candles in the grotto again after his marriage. You know, I mean, those parties were awesome. Everyone went, like Leo and.

• 21:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah. God, I think Leo is still partying.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:11Bunnie XO?

  I don't think he's stopped.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Pussy posse, yeah. All those guys. And I love all those guys too.

• 21:16Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. So getting into TV.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:20Bunnie XO?

  How did you get into it? Like you were like, okay, I'm gonna do TV. I'm done with modeling. I don't want to do pageants anymore. Is that what?

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Well, I won the big, the big one, you know, and so there's really no more to do in pageantry for me. You know, I could have gone and done Miss America, but it's a scholarship pageant for girls that really want to go to college.

• 21:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  And I wasn't gonna go to, I had no desire to go to college. So.

• 21:42Bunnie XO?

  She's like, I already know what the fuck I'm doing.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, I want to, you know, and I, for me, being in entertainment, you know, going to college would have taken years of, you know, where I need to be auditioning and stuff. So.

• 21:51Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, so, um, yeah, I was just beating the, like, just auditioning, auditioning, auditioning.

• 21:58Bunnie XO?

  How, I have a question though. So, girls literally strive their entire life to make it to that Miss America pageant.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:05Bunnie XO?

  How do, what do they, what is life after pageantry for those girls who are like lifers?

• 22:10Speaker 02

  It's hard for a lot of them. Miss America, you know, is, it's not really a beauty pageant. It's really girls that are, have like a platform and really want scholarship money to pay off their tuitions and stuff. So, it's more of an interview. They say it's a talent pageant, but it's really more of an interview pageant. And so, those girls, you know, they really, they really want to be, you know, they have like a plan already. Like, they want to be in aviation or doctors, lawyers.

• 22:31Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha. Okay. So, there is life out.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's life. Like, they're going, you know, to go do stuff. Where in Miss USA, Miss Universe, those girls are more entertainment based. They want to be, um, you know, they want to, they want to be in movies, hosting, acting, modeling. So, we always say, um, we always say, uh, you know, Miss America is the girl that lives next door and Miss USA is the girl you wish lived next door. You know, but it's, it's more of a beauty page. It's more based on physical beauty. It's, it's not so much, uh, college based.

• 23:01Bunnie XO?

  All those girls are gorgeous. Didn't Donald Trump used to host those?

• 23:04Speaker 02

  He owned it. Yeah, I worked for Donald for a long time.

• 23:07Bunnie XO?

  Did you meet him? Did he ever grab you by the pussy?

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I have met him. Yeah. He and I were in like a crazy lawsuit together and against each other and together. I had to meet him.

• 23:15Bunnie XO?

  Did he ever grab you by the pussy?

• 23:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 23:18Bunnie XO?

  I just had to ask.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  He wasn't my biggest fan.

• 23:20Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no. What happened?

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Um, well, there was a-

• 23:23Bunnie XO?

  Can we talk about it?

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. We can totally talk about it. It's actually pretty famous. Um, you know, uh, there was my title. I used to, I was the executive director for the Miss California USA pageant.

• 23:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  And, um, there, I had a title holder named Carrie Brugge, and she was a very religious girl. And, uh, when she competed at Miss USA, Perez Hilton asked her about same-sex marriage because at the time-

• 23:44Bunnie XO?

  Perez is coming on the podcast tomorrow.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Oh, nice. Oh, yeah, yeah. Tell him I said what's up. Tell him if he says another thing about my daughter Alabama. We're going to the mattresses.

• 23:52Bunnie XO?

  I will. I will tell him that.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Please tell him that.

• 23:55Bunnie XO?

  I will.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Um, uh, uh, yeah. I'll tell you a little more about Perez later.

• 23:59Bunnie XO?

  Okay, yeah. We'll talk about that.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  We'll talk about Perez later too. But yeah, so Perez asked her about same-sex marriage. And at the time, it was very controversial. We had like Prop 8 going on and it was a very big deal.

• 24:08Bunnie XO?

  And she was religious.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was, yeah, she was, she was very, yeah, she was very religious.

• 24:13Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  And so she just said that, you know, she stated, you know, that she just felt like, you know, marriage was between a man and a woman and, you know, that was like her opinion, but the way it came across was really offensive to a lot of people, especially in pageantry, there's so many, you know, we have, we have just have a huge gay community.

• 24:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  And so, uh, it was really offensive to a lot of people. And then she basically, uh, kinda like breached her contract, started kind of like running all over the country, a huge church, the, in NOM, it's called the National Organization for Marriage. It's very, it's kinda what created Prop A and it's very, is highly funded.

• 24:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  And, um, and then, you know, uh, like the Baptist churches from the South kinda latched on to her and wanted her.

• 24:55Bunnie XO?

  I think I remember that, yeah.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, wanted her to kinda be like the face of, you know, of anti-gay marriage and stuff.

• 25:01Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  And started paying her like massive money, amounts of money to go to these churches that kinda had like anti-gay rallies and like, you know, associated, you know, homosexuality with like bestiality. It was like awful.

• 25:12Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  So, you know, we were trying to like, be like, you're under a contract, you can't just go do these appearances without us and all this stuff. So, Trump at first, we had to go to Trump and be like, we can't control her, like, and she's losing her mind. And he, we had like this big, you know, uh, press conference over at the Trump Towers. It was like Cannes Film Festival with the cameras and stuff. And I wanted her to lose her crown. I thought, you know, her behavior, just the way she treated us was just terrible.

• 25:36Bunnie XO?

  Wasn't very pageantry, like, you know, you don't, cause you want little girls to be able to look up. And everybody's entitled to their own opinions, but at the same time, it's like, you don't talk about religion and.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  It, it, it got just gross. It got nasty. We had sponsors, you know, that are like, I'm a gay, you know, we're, we, we just gave you hundreds of thousands of dollars and, you know, she's hates me, you know, this is really bad. Um, and he let her keep her crown and I resigned. I quit. I was like, I'm not supporting this. I'm out. I quit. I made like, I, I mean, I was on CNN. I was on, you know, it was really big news, Ryan Seacrest and, um, and then I think even she, Trump got sick of her and then Trump, Trump ended up firing her and asking me to come back, which I did. And then she sued all of us. And so, um, she sued Trump and I and we all had to like go to.

• 26:24Bunnie XO?

  What did she sue for?

• 26:26Speaker 02

  She sued for, um, religious discrimination.

• 26:28Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so.

• 26:30Bunnie XO?

  How did that end up?

• 26:32Speaker 02

  This is amazing. She, um, she, she, she sued us and, uh,

• 26:38Bunnie XO?

  So you, she was suing you and Trump? You guys weren't suing each other?

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Correct, yes, yeah, she was suing Trump. She went after Trump and then myself and my partner in the Miss California USA organization. Um, she had a boyfriend, um, who sent all her, she masturbated a lot and she took videos of herself masturbating.

• 26:57Bunnie XO?

  Well, that wasn't the turn I was thinking was about to happen.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  She masturbated a lot and she, uh, she sent, uh,

• 27:04Bunnie XO?

  Isn't that against religion?

• 27:06Speaker 02

  I'm all for masturbating.

• 27:07Bunnie XO?

  Listen, I will leave a snail trail anywhere. I am totally fine for it.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm totally, you know, I'm, please be proud, masturbate and be proud. But she, um, her boyfriend sold all her masturbation videos to TMZ. And, um, now you have to understand that now at this point, she's become, well, she was a little religious, right? She then was getting, making a lot of money with these, with these churches. And so then she kind of became this really very religious woman, which she was not. Not to that extent, you know? And,

• 27:38Bunnie XO?

  I always feel like when people are like that, they're always hiding something.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:42Bunnie XO?

  I grew up in a very religious environment and my family was the most hypocritical people you could ever meet.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  It's always that preacher who's like, you know, and then he's found in like a motel with, you know, having a homosexual relationship.

• 27:53Bunnie XO?

  Smoking crack and fucking, yeah, doing weird shit, yeah.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. So, um, so we ended up, the lawsuit, um, you know, presenting that, you know? And, um, she denied it and to like the, you know, the camera went up to her face from her vagina to her face, you know?

• 28:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  And then she, she, so we, we settled out.

• 28:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh, good, yeah.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Ended it, so that was,

• 28:11Bunnie XO?

  Crazy.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was my first year as a state director.

• 28:14Bunnie XO?

  So why did he not like you though? Just because you quit and you took a stance against him?

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Because I quit and said that I will not support him. I wouldn't support, because you have to understand the contract that she signed is the same contract I signed at Miss Teen USA and Miss USA. And I had to abide by the contract. I couldn't go tell my state directors to fuck off and go do whatever I wanted to do. And, you know, and I felt like, well, why does she get to breach it? Because she's bringing in press? Donald loved press and it's like, I get that, but like, she's also like killing our business. Our sponsors are dropping and she's, you know, people are offended and.

• 28:46Bunnie XO?

  Hurting people.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Hurting people, yeah.

• 28:48Bunnie XO?

  Crazy. Okay, so moving on. That story was awesome, though. You're doing TV. When did you do The Wedding Singer?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Um, I was about twenty, twenty years old.

• 29:03Bunnie XO?

  Billy Idol.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  I did, I met him on that, I met him on, on that set, yeah.

• 29:08Bunnie XO?

  How's his wiener?

• 29:10Speaker 02

  He was a really good lover, I'm not gonna lie.

• 29:13Bunnie XO?

  I do, see, I, I had a feeling because those rocker dudes, for some reason, I love musicians and rocker dudes, but they, mo- the majority of them, not all of them, are pretty passionate.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  He was, he was actually really fun and really cool, and he actually was really awesome to talk to. He just knew like a lot about like history and was like really fun conversations.

• 29:34Bunnie XO?

  He stimulated you intellectually.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did stimulate me intellectually, and he just, um, he was just a lot of fun, but I was just so young, I was never gonna like. Settle down with like anyone, I was like wild as hell, so.

• 29:46Bunnie XO?

  You're literally living, uh, everybody's dream.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  He was super fun, though.

• 29:51Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So you're doing TV, you're doing these movies, how are you feeling? Did you ever fall into like the drug scene in LA?

• 29:59Speaker 02

  No, I never got into drugs, um, I wasn't even like too much of a drinker, really, you know, I just was high on life, just running around and. I just wanted so badly to, to be a movie star and to break into movies, and I just was very, um. Not, I wouldn't call myself like a star fucker, cause I just ran in those like circles of people.

• 30:20Bunnie XO?

  Back then, I don't even think that was a thing. Now, it's more like clout chasers, but back then, it was like, it was where you were and who you knew.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, people were just everywhere.

• 30:29Bunnie XO?

  You didn't pursue them, you literally just ran into them.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  But I, um, I just was, I just was so zoned in on just being successful and, and I just wanted to prove. Everyone that in Rhode Island that told me I was never gonna be shit, that I was gonna do it, you know?

• 30:46Bunnie XO?

  I love that, the tenacity is.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was awesome.

• 30:50Bunnie XO?

  So moving on, you meet Oscar.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Yes, I do.

• 30:53Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I um, so my, one of my best friends from Rhode Island was a, a security guard at this, um, I think it was called, it was a big club in, in West Hollywood, the Eden or something, Garden of Eden or something, people will know that.

• 31:08Bunnie XO?

  I'm looking at my notes.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, that's okay.

• 31:09Bunnie XO?

  I'm not just taking a phone call right now or anything like that.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  No, it's cool.

• 31:13Bunnie XO?

  I literally have.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  No, you're totally fine. You're like, um, sorry, I'm gonna drink.

• 31:16Bunnie XO?

  No, you're good.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  I'm so dehydrated.

• 31:17Bunnie XO?

  You're to- I know you said you were, you said, can we say it? You said you were hungover?

• 31:22Speaker 02

  I'm a little hungover. I actually, I, I've been on this terrible sleep. So I went to bed at like nine o'clock last night, like I told you. And, um, and I woke up at like six in the morning and I didn't know what to do with myself. So I went and played like some cards, like some, uh, and I just had like a couple of drinks and I was like, oh my God, I gotta go do this podcast too. I'm drunk. I gotta like.

• 31:40Bunnie XO?

  Mimi's fucking hungover too.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  I gotta get it together here.

• 31:43Bunnie XO?

  They didn't come barreling in until like 3 a.m. I was like, I gotta do this podcast in where I'm not drinking with you guys. So.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah. So I, my, I went to this nightclub and, uh, Oscar, I remember he walked by and I, I used to go run around Hollywood and then I would go to this bar to meet my friend and wait for him to get paid. And we would all go get like pizza or go to, uh, you know, whatever after food spots we all used to go to. And, um, and he walked by and the other security guards were like, Shanna, do you know, do you know who that was? Do you know that was? That was Oscar De La Hoya. And I was like, oh, that's who Jack told me about. You know, that's what I was like, oh, that's who Jack was talking about. He was really cute. And they're like, do you want to meet him? And I was like, okay. And so they like brought me over to him and, um, and we just like, we just looked in each other's eyes and it was just like ding. And that was like it. Um.

• 32:32Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like it was, um, some sort of like a connection, like from another life type thing?

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Oh my God, instantly. And I knew, I was like, I'm, and back then I was like, I'm never gonna have babies. Like, I'm never having kids. Like, I'm just gonna like live my life. And, and I met him and I was like, oh, I'm gonna have your baby. Like, I was like, I am going to have your baby and we're gonna be like, and I was so happy. I, I was like, yeah. We had a, quite a whirlwind there.

• 32:59Bunnie XO?

  Does he dress up? Up in women's clothing, really.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  No, he doesn't.

• 33:02Bunnie XO?

  Cause I mean, I, well, I remember when that was going down and I was like, well, how do we explain?

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:07Bunnie XO?

  These pictures. What was happening?

• 33:09Speaker 02

  You know, he, he does drink a lot. He had, he had like a drinking problem for sure. And he's the kind of like-

• 33:14Bunnie XO?

  We've all done some weird shit.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  We've all do some weird shit, but he's the kind of drinker that like, you know, he can drink a lot.

• 33:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  But he's like wasted off the first shot. You know, those kind of people, like we have like babysit him and-

• 33:25Bunnie XO?

  I feel like some Latin Americans cannot drink, like they can't, like some Indians, they have a really hard time drinking.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  It's like, you know, it's some people's like biochemistry or something like they just like, but like when he drinks like two drinks and he's like, like as if he had 50. He can drink 50, but he's like as wasted off the first as he would be like on the 50th.

• 33:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  And, um, so, and but he, but he's very fun. Like he's a fun person and he's, um, you know, and he loves to sing and he's, and he's very social and he's very charismatic and, you know, and he really just, you know, and you know, he's been training, you know, he would train for three, four months in Big Bear at a time. And then, you know, he wanted to like let loose and go crazy after the fights and just be young. You know, he was, he was 25 when I met him.

• 34:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  And I was 22, 23 years old.

• 34:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, you guys were babies.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were like babies and, um, but you know, he's like one of those people that, you know, would like, you know, put like the clothes on just to be funny and silly.

• 34:20Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gotcha. And then somebody took the picture and just made it.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Then tried it to like basically blackmail him, you know?

• 34:26Bunnie XO?

  That is terrible. I just, the media is fucking terrible like that. I've always wondered that. I was like, is that his kink? Cause I know there are some people with kinks like that, you know?

• 34:34Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 34:35Bunnie XO?

  So take me into you guys' relationship, you know? You guys met that night and then it was just a whirlwind romance?

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Six months later and I remember saying to him like-

• 34:44Bunnie XO?

  Did you just move in with him right away?

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, we like moved in with each other and we just were like madly in love and I, you know, like he, the, I think our first date, like I went to Big Bear and we took a private jet to Vegas and he took me to like a George Foreman fight and I just-

• 34:59Bunnie XO?

  That's iconic.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was really cool. And I just remember people being like champ, champ and like, I'd never been with an athlete and you know, there's a difference between fan, like fans of athletes. athletes and fans of movie stars. There's a real difference.

• 35:13Bunnie XO?

  What's the difference?

• 35:14Speaker 02

  They're just way crazier.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Fanatical and um and I just was like this is crazy and I didn't really know anything about the boxing world or you know him really. I just fell in love with who he was. He was very romantic and I just loved his culture and the Latino like kind of. You know, energy of him and um I'm half Portuguese. I'm Portuguese and Irish.

• 35:37Bunnie XO?

  I'm Brazilian and white trash. That's what I always say.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, we just like, we just fell in love, but you know, we were so young and we had so. He, he had so much money and had so much power and he had so many people just pulling at him from every direction. I mean. You know, we just did an HBO documentary and um I was actually really surprised that he kind of let me be as candid and. He was as candid and really as brutally honest about, you know, his drinking, his drug problem, you know, his womanizing, his sex addiction.

• 36:08Bunnie XO?

  Do you think he's trying to right his wrongs now, now that he's older?

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I, I, he, he has. He did me pretty, pretty dirty, you know.

• 36:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, let's talk about that because you had, so you had A- Atiana.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had Atiana. She was about one and a half, two years old and I knew things were going on. I, you know, they were like.

• 36:28Bunnie XO?

  You always know when they're cheating.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you always know.

• 36:31Bunnie XO?

  It's never fucking not noticeable.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you know, and that didn't bother me so much as like, there were all these third parties. There was like, you know, he had just lost his first fight. And there were lots of new businessmen in and they were making changes and stuff and basically like. He went to go do, he went to sing. He was doing like an album and. We were like, and I was like, you're singing now, like what the fuck is happening? Like, it was really weird. But I remember we like, I met him at the Hilton at Universal. Every time I pass it to this day, I still remember. And I met him at the Universal and um and I just like, was like, do you want this anymore? And he was like, you know what? He's like, I'm gonna go to New York. I'm gonna go do Letterman. And when I come back, we're gonna start fresh. He's like, I want you and the baby. You're my girls. We're gonna start the, you know, he's like, go.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  He's like, go buy some art for the house. Go get some, you know, new things for the house. And when I come back, we're gonna start fresh. And I was like, okay. That was like on a Friday and then.

• 37:26Bunnie XO?

  Do you think he really genuinely in that moment meant that? Or do you think he was pacifying the situation because he wanted to avoid confrontation?

• 37:33Speaker 02

  I'll never know.

• 37:34Bunnie XO?

  You'll never know.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  I'll never know. I, I, obviously, I, I, I, it was everything I wanted to hear in that moment. Um, but I'll, I'll, I'll never know, but I, I was, I was in our home, our mansion in Bel Air and um, my daughter was sleeping in her nursery. My mother was there, my girlfriend, and we were watching the Latin Grammy Awards. And um, and I just remember they were like, Oscar De La Hoya is about to hit the red carpet. Meanwhile, I'm calling him like, hey honey, did you get home alright? Like, where are you? You know? And he's not answering. And I kinda like my, we all looked at each other like, Oscar De La Hoya is on the red carpet. Like, what the, the fuck is he doing there? This is, and it's in LA, you know? So we're like, wait, what? And they go to a commercial break. And so we're waiting and I'm like, what is he doing there? Why the fuck am I not there? Like, what's happening?

• 38:19Speaker 02

  And then um, he uh, it comes back and there he is, holding hands with his now ex-wife, Millie Cordahey, or I don't know how to say her name, whatever, Millie. And um, and I just time, you, you know in Kill Bill when that like?

• 38:34Bunnie XO?

  When everything just slows down.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  I mean, I just like, I just remember I lost my breath and I just was like, huh. And he was holding her hand and they were like a couple and I just like, I, my, I just remember.

• 38:47Bunnie XO?

  Everybody had publicly known that you guys were together, right?

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were a couple.

• 38:50Bunnie XO?

  And they just accepted this? There was no backlash of like?

• 38:53Speaker 02

  There was really no backlash and he was so powerful and the media was just so, he had such control of the media that. Um, you know, yeah, I, I didn't stand a chance. And um, and the next day they had a lawyer come to the house and say, you and the baby need to, you know, need to move out. And I was like, I'm not moving out. I don't, I'm not, I like, this is my home. And you know, uh, and it just became like a world, like a shit show, a whirlwind, like a shit show. And we were in like, you know, we fought for probably like.

• 39:22Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever get him back on the phone?

• 39:24Speaker 02

  No, he never called me again. Uh, he had his um. Assistant Raul come to me and tell me that he no longer wanted to be with me. And I remember breaking down in Raul's arms and crying. I think Raul was crying.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  We were both crying and I just was like, is this real? I couldn't even like, I just remember sitting on the balcony of that Bel Air mansion with a bottle of vodka and a cigarette and being like, what the fuck am I gonna do now? And I really thought in that moment that my life was over.

• 39:50Bunnie XO?

  Oh, how old were you?

• 39:52Speaker 02

  I was twenty-four years old.

• 39:53Bunnie XO?

  You're a baby.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I like, I, you know, I quit working to, you know, I thought I was gonna be a wife and a mom.

• 39:59Bunnie XO?

  Was he very controlling about your working? Cause I know that culture, a lot of the men do not like.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  They did not, he did not want me working. I quit working for him. I quit like everything. So I, you know, at that point, I didn't have like a manager. I didn't have an agent anymore.

• 40:12Bunnie XO?

  And back in the day, you had to have those too, to even do anything.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  There was no social media like we have today.

• 40:17Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  I don't even, I don't even think we have phones like we have. I think we had like a flip phone or something.

• 40:21Bunnie XO?

  The brick phones.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  A Motorola or something, you know?

• 40:23Bunnie XO?

  The sidekicks.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was no, uh, yeah, like literally like doing the, you know, one word, like texting him literally like that. Exactly. You know, that's how I'm texting him, where are you fifteen minutes later, you know? But, um, yeah, I was like, so it was kinda like that. And I, I remember.

• 40:38Bunnie XO?

  The fact that everybody could publicly know that you guys were together.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:43Bunnie XO?

  And then him be able to just present a new woman on the red, that would never fly the.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Oh, in today's day and age, like, are you kidding?

• 40:50Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:51Bunnie XO?

  And the fact that you just had to eat it.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  I had to fucking eat it.

• 40:55Bunnie XO?

  Behind the scenes, like, did you go through, were you, we were probably going through postpartum during this too, correct?

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Well, no, my daughter was about two, one and a half, two years old, you know? No, I just, um, that's why I ended up, um, uh, you know what he said to me? I, you know, this is so crazy, this part of it, I remember, cause I, he wouldn't see me. And I remember I went out to a club and Paris Hilton was there and he was fucking Paris Hilton at that time. Even though he was with Millie.

• 41:20Bunnie XO?

  You and Paris have a long, extensive history.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was fucking Paris and, um, and I got.

• 41:25Bunnie XO?

  Even though he was with Millie?

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, even though he had just started dating Millie and, um, and I knew he was there to meet her. And she was like hanging out with me and I was just like, why are you hanging out with me? Like if you're, and, and, and he saw me and I, and I left. I left the club and, um, he wanted to meet me. And so I went and I met him like the next day and I, and he, and it was the first time I'd seen him since.

• 41:43Bunnie XO?

  How long ago was it? How long, uh, after this?

• 41:46Speaker 02

  It was about a month since the Latin Grammy Awards.

• 41:48Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  And um, and uh, we were in the car talking and he uh, he he came to meet me and I just said to him, I'm like, why did you, why did you do that? Like, why did you internationally humiliate me like, you know, like, and I have nothing, you know, I have nothing now. I don't even like know what to like, how to like move forward from this.

• 42:11Bunnie XO?

  Meaning when you say nothing, not monetarily, you're just meaning like your family or you're talking about all of it together?

• 42:16Speaker 02

  At that point in my life, like my career was over, I had no agent, I, you know, my future, I thought I I had this whole future planned, you know, and that was like ripped away from me in a matter of twenty-four hours and I just like, you know, I didn't know, I didn't know what to do. And he just said, oh, I have a chemical imbalance. That's what he said to me and I said.

• 42:37Bunnie XO?

  What the fuck?

• 42:38Speaker 02

  I was like, okay, and I just was like, well, I don't wanna like, go to the, like, I don't wanna legally go after you, like, can we like, can you help me? Like, I don't know what I'm gonna do, like, where am I gonna live? Like, where, like, what, like, I don't know what to do, you know, and he was like, and he goes, you know, Shanna, he goes, and at that point, we had gone to court and figured out our child support. And he goes, you know, you already took me to court for child support and I'm not happy about that. And he goes, and if you sue me for palimony, he goes, I'm not gonna see you or the baby till she's sixteen years old. And um,

• 43:10Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys make out or did you just have a conversation?

• 43:13Speaker 02

  No, we just had a conversation. I mean, I was bawling and I mean, I was still madly, madly in love with him and I just like, I thought I was losing like, you know, this was the man like I just.

• 43:23Bunnie XO?

  You had your first baby with?

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I worshipped worshipped him and um, and he said, you know, he goes, I won't see you or the baby till I was, till she's sixteen and I just was like, no fucking way. No way would you do that. And then he goes, and he got out of the car, I'll never forget this, and he went around to the drive, sitting in the driver's seat and he knocked on the window and I rolled it down and he goes, I have, I have more money than God. Don't be too hard on me. And he left.

• 43:48Bunnie XO?

  That gave me goosebumps.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  And he fucking left and I sat in that car. I'm gonna like cry thinking about it. I sat in the car and I cried for like, fuck, man. And I, and I just was like, there's no way. He didn't, I sued him for palimony and I won.

• 44:01Bunnie XO?

  I love that you didn't back down though.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I really didn't have a choice. I honestly was scared and you know, and I, and I was like, and I was saying to him in the car, I was like, well, I don't want to sue you for palimony. I don't.

• 44:12Bunnie XO?

  Like, let's figure this out.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Like, but can you help me? Like, can, like, I don't even know if I have a fucking car. Like, I don't, like, can you, can you at least, like, give me, you know, something so that I, I can raise our daughter in a safe environment and I can put her in a good school and I, I know, like, I have some, uh, support or, you know, um, security. But he wouldn't. He wouldn't talk to me. So I really didn't have a choice. And you know, in the news back then, they were like, Shane assumes him for 200 million. I didn't want to.

• 44:37Bunnie XO?

  Not knowing the background of what's going on.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that was half of his money back then, but.

• 44:42Bunnie XO?

  Any woman that has been hurt the way that you were.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:47Bunnie XO?

  I think you were pretty fucking nice.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:49Bunnie XO?

  You didn't slander him in the, in the public. I.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  I wanted him back. I wanted, I, I wanted him back so bad. But he didn't see the baby and I till she was about 16 years old.

• 44:59Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. He didn't.

• 45:02Bunnie XO?

  My heart just dropped. That is, I feel so bad for Ateana.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, she, she didn't, you know, didn't know her father growing up, you know, and they've made amends and he's, he's, he's made amends with me and he's apologized and he's apologized to her.

• 45:14Bunnie XO?

  How long did it take for him to apologize and to make amends? Like, did he, has he been consistent in her life since she turned 16?

• 45:21Speaker 02

  He was. He was being pretty consistent. He has a new girlfriend and I think he's midlife crisising out a little bit.

• 45:27Bunnie XO?

  Damn it, Oscar.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  He's definitely, you know, he, he's, he's trying. He's doing the best that he can do and he's really owned up to a lot of his mistakes and his faults and I, I will honor and respect him for that. You know, he's not, he didn't have an easy life and he's not a perfect person. And I will always love him as the father of my daughter. Um, but he's tried, but you know, Ateana looks at him like a father and she loves him immensely, but Travis is her dad.

• 45:50Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, Travis is her father, like her daddy.

• 45:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that. Being a bonus parent, I, that really makes. My heart happy because yeah, it's it's such a hard role to take on and we'll get into their relationship.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah.

• 46:03Bunnie XO?

  How is your relationship with Ateana? Are you guys good? Are you guys?

• 46:06Speaker 02

  I have a great relationship with my kids, you know, you know, it's it's hard, you know, there's, you know, parental alienation is a real thing and we can get into that a little later, but um, you know, I was a I'm a I'm a goddamn good mom. I'm a fucking great mother and I raised all my kids and I I did a good job with a lot of heavy shit.

• 46:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  And you know, even with Ateana when she was little, you know, I made sure that because her dad wasn't there, I would go to the schools and be like, I want her in classes with all male teachers. I want her to have positive male role models, you know, I I would have her go and spend summers with my mom and dad because I wanted her to see a functioning, healthy,

• 46:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  loving, you know, um, a relationship. I made those choices for her to see see those things and be a part of those things. Um, I'm I have a great relationship with my kids. My kids and I never had any bumps in the road until my ex-husband started dating the Kardashian crew, you know,

• 46:57Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  and um, and I don't fault my kids for some of the things that they said. They were kids and they were influenced and you know, but a teenager saying one thing, one time,

• 47:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  doesn't take away the years that I did raising my children. I'm very confident in

• 47:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  who I am as a mother and um, how I raised my children.

• 47:17Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Um, uh, but I'm I'm not estranged from my children. I'm very close to my children.

• 47:22Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  We have great relationships.

• 47:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we'll dive a little deeper into that once we get into their births and stuff like that.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:29Bunnie XO?

  But yeah, I just wanted to know where you and Ateana stood because I mean, you guys were babies growing up together.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  We really were, yeah.

• 47:36Bunnie XO?

  Is the, do you feel like the bond, like she's more of like a like a sister or do you?

• 47:39Speaker 02

  No, I'm definitely her mom.

• 47:40Bunnie XO?

  She's like, no, I'm mom.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I'm definitely her mom. Um,

• 47:44Bunnie XO?

  I love it. She's beautiful too.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  She is.

• 47:46Bunnie XO?

  Goodness. I mean, all your kids are fucking gorgeous, dude.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Proud of the all, all three of them, but she just has, um, she has a very incredible, sweet, kind soul.

• 47:55Bunnie XO?

  She seems like that. She seems very peaceful.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  She is. She's she's more um, conservative and much more chill than the other two by far, but yeah.

• 48:05Bunnie XO?

  The other two are your karma.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah, God gave me Bama last for a reason.

• 48:09Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So moving on, you're going through this heartbreak, you're having to go through.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  I did Playboy.

• 48:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so is that what you did as soon as you broke up with?

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I did and he never would, I was on Pacific Blue and they wanted me to be a celebrity pictorial and he would never like, he was like, no.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Mexican, you know, no, no, no. But at the time I needed the money to like pay my attorney to, you know, to um, uh, do the, the palimony suit.

• 48:37Bunnie XO?

  Did which, did you guys settle in the palimony suit?

• 48:40Speaker 02

  We ended up settling. He ended up being very, I'm like, couldn't we have just done this like a year ago?

• 48:44Bunnie XO?

  I think he just wanted to see if you had it in you.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe. I didn't have a choice. I was like.

• 48:52Bunnie XO?

  Motherfucker.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  I don't want to do this. I was like, I love you. Please don't make me do this. Like, we'll do it, you know, but um, yeah, so uh, I ended up doing Playboy. But they wouldn't make me a celebrity uh, uh, pictorial after that. See, so it like ruined, it hurt my career. And so I, uh, they said, but we'll give you, make you a playmate, you know, you can pick your month.

• 49:11Bunnie XO?

  Wouldn't that be better to be a playmate though than just a celebrity pictorial? Cause isn't that like a one time thing?

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a one time thing, but you get paid a lot more.

• 49:19Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, you get paid a lot more. So it's hundreds of thousands of dollars worth twenty thousand dollars, you know? And as a playmate, you know, you have to do a video, you have to do certain things, but you know what? My Playboy experience was. The most epic, coolest, amazing, like shooting at Playboy Studio West was Steve Wada, Arnie Freitag, like. Just, you know, the kings of photography. It was just such an, uh, a really cool time and Heff and just was so good to me. I never dated Heff. No, you don't have to fuck Heff to be a playmate. Like, he was a complete gentleman, a class act to me and welcomed me into his home.

• 49:55Bunnie XO?

  I love, I love that whole era of Playboy. I felt like that was the time that like. Women kind of all came together for just a cause and like, it was just like. You know, it was like a girl gang and it was like, you were part of that girl gang. I, I did work for Playboy TV. I wasn't pretty enough to make it in the magazine. Um, but I did. No, I don't. No, listen, I shot with, I think his name was Bill White at Playboy West.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, yeah, that sounds familiar.

• 50:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and they, they were just like, no.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  They were, they're, you know, they, I mean, sometimes they power tripped a little bit over there.

• 50:28Bunnie XO?

  Which is fine. Yeah, which is fine, but I was all, I, you know, partied. I did the whole Playboy thing.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  The whole Playboy, yeah, yeah.

• 50:35Bunnie XO?

  Um, but that era was just, I don't know, like, even though it was for a nude magazine, it was so wholesome.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  It was. It was so wholesome and like.

• 50:43Bunnie XO?

  It's so weird to say that, but it was.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  It's so true, though, and, you know, um, it, it was, and, you know.

• 50:49Bunnie XO?

  It was good, teaching women to embrace their bodies and like, yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  And every, it's so interesting, because it's like a sisterhood. All the Playmates are like a sister, where, you know, the pageantry, there's sisterhood in that. Uh, I used to try to get the pageant girls to go to dinner with the Playmates, but that, that never went well, so.

• 51:05Bunnie XO?

  Dude, that, how epic would that be to have a pageant Playboy edition?

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 51:09Bunnie XO?

  Crazy.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of girls now that, you know, now that their pageants are over, they're like, I want to do it.

• 51:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  I'm like, oh, I wish you did it years ago. It was so cool, you know?

• 51:18Bunnie XO?

  Tell me about it. So I've met Heff a couple of times too, and I thought he was always so sweet. He was a little disconnected, like, he was just, he was just kind of like there and just kind of did his own thing.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  I first met him when I was Miss USA and I was doing a charity event, and he was still married to Kim at that time. And I remember he came up to me and he goes, you know, you're truly a beautiful young woman. And I just thought like.

• 51:38Bunnie XO?

  What a compliment.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  What a fucking compliment from him, like, you know, and I, I mean, I went to bed that night like, holy shit. You know, I remember when I was like, this is crazy, weird, people are going to think it's weird, but, um, I remember my dad used to have like Playboy, you know.

• 51:52Bunnie XO?

  Same, my dad did too. In the bathroom.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  In the bathroom. He would have them in the bathroom. I remember looking at them and I just thought the women were so beautiful. And I remember being on the bus and kids were like, what do you want to be when you grew up? And I was like, a Playboy bunny.

• 52:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  I didn't know what that meant. And I remember everyone being like, oh, my God.

• 52:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  And, and then, you know, to ironically end up becoming a Playboy bunny later is, is very, very funny, but, but I was, yeah, I was 19 when I first met Heff. And then, you know, I was with Oscar, I wasn't allowed to do it, but then when I was 25, turning 26, that's when I became a Playmate. And, um, and I vied for, you know, Playmate of the Year. It was between me and Darlene. They made us go shoot on just a white backdrop, completely naked. And I remember it was between she and I, and that's when he had like seven girlfriends. And I think like five of his girlfriends were in the contention, you know, that year. But I never felt pressure or anything like that. But I was the first playmate to ever have a belly button ring, so.

• 52:43Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I had like the little rabbit head, so.

• 52:45Bunnie XO?

  I feel like they were, back in the day, they didn't let tattoos either.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, they didn't have, you weren't allowed to have piercings or tattoos. Heft didn't like them, but he changed that as he got older.

• 52:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  And times changed.

• 52:54Bunnie XO?

  How do you feel about all the stuff that's coming out about Heft right now?

• 52:57Speaker 02

  It's disgusting.

• 52:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's disgusting. I mean, there's just, you know, there are playmates that I think do things for money and for attention and for fame. And, you know, the, the playmates who really knew Heft and were part of that family, you know, are just completely, it's just vile. And just, you know, let him rest in peace. What the fuck are you guys doing?

• 53:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Ripping this man apart and he can't defend himself, you know? I, I have no respect for that shit, you know, at all.

• 53:21Bunnie XO?

  I love that you're standing up for him, though.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, I just love, he, and, you know, I spent every Easter there with my, with Travis and my children, you know, I mean, he was a, a wonderful man.

• 53:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:31Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I love that you're taking a stance, especially in a time where it's easy to.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  Fuck off into the sunset. Seriously, gross, gross. He did so much for so many women.

• 53:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  So much, and, and if any of those women were homeless or had a drug addiction, he would have, he would have housed them, taken care of them and gotten them sober. And it's disgusting for them to do that, yeah.

• 53:51Bunnie XO?

  I never knew that. I never knew that he, um, rehabbed women like that.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Yes, he did.

• 53:55Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Numerous.

• 53:56Bunnie XO?

  Crazy. So after you did Playboy, you're getting, Stella's getting her groove back.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

• 54:01Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey. You just did Playboy.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Travis like very soon after. And it was literally like the minute I got over, I never really got over, I didn't get over Oscar for a decade or so. But the minute I kind of got past it.

• 54:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  Um, I, I was out in Hollywood and my girlfriend was like, I met this guy and, and his, his name's Rob, Skinhead Rob from the Transplant.

• 54:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, uh, she was like, yeah, I met this guy, like, come with me, like, I was gonna be her wingman. I was like, all right. And we went to this, I think it was called like The Standard or something on Sunset.

• 54:31Bunnie XO?

  Oh my, oh god.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:32Bunnie XO?

  Had a lot of drug nights there.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  A lot of people did, I think.

• 54:36Bunnie XO?

  Fuck my, I think I almost died there one night.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 54:39Bunnie XO?

  Cocaine and Xanax was a hell of a fucking binge party, let me tell you.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  That'll do it.

• 54:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, yeah, so I went there and, uh, and she was with Rob and I think like George Clooney was there that night.

• 54:52Bunnie XO?

  He was everywhere back then.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  He was fucking everywhere back then.

• 54:55Bunnie XO?

  Dude, he used to, I can't even believe I'm gonna say this. He, when I used to work at the Palms, he would come and group together all the fucking cocktail waitresses and they would go upstairs and fuck him. Like, I was there when it happened. I wasn't in the room, but I was, I was working.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was single and he had a pig and he was doing his thing.

• 55:14Bunnie XO?

  No, he was, George Clooney was the man, dude.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:17Bunnie XO?

  Like, all he had to do was walk by and bitches would pass out.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, like dropping their shorts.

• 55:21Bunnie XO?

  He was a fine motherfucker, though.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  He was, yeah, he was, yeah, he's still sexy.

• 55:25Bunnie XO?

  Where the fuck is he? He got married and like disappeared.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  With his wife and, yeah, just doing his thing.

• 55:29Bunnie XO?

  He's just living the dream.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  He's living the dream, yeah.

• 55:31Bunnie XO?

  Go George, go.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Go George.

• 55:33Bunnie XO?

  You know? Go George, go.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think I was like talking to him at the bar or something and then, you know, she introduced me to Travis and he had a big mohawk back then. And not, you know, back then, no one had mohawks.

• 55:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  And he was fucking, you know, he was tatted up pretty, not as much now, but he was still tatted up pretty, pretty, uh, tight. And I was just like, I, I, this is who the fuck I'm, I didn't know who Blink 182 was. And, um, and I kinda was like, oh, I think, it was like with Oscar, like, oh, that's who, Jack? And I was like, oh, didn't they have like little people on the MTV Music Awards on bungee cords like flying around? Like, that's how I like, you know, remembered him and, um...

• 56:07Bunnie XO?

  What kind of music did you listen to to not know who Blink 182 was?

• 56:11Speaker 02

  I, I listened to hip hop and rap.

• 56:13Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I listened to hip hop and rap and, uh, yeah, and, um, R and B.

• 56:18Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, uh, I had no clue and, um, and I just remember being like, wow, he's really, you know, Oscar's so clean cut and wore suits and shit.

• 56:25Bunnie XO?

  He doesn't even have tattoos, does he?

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Not one tattoo, not one. And I was like, god, this guy's really fucking tattooed. And I was like, alright, I'll be your wingman, you know? And they were like, oh, he's getting a divorce. He's in the middle of a divorce.

• 56:35Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I didn't know that Travis was married before.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was married to a girl named Melissa and, um...

• 56:38Bunnie XO?

  Just a regular...

• 56:39Speaker 02

  Just a regular girl. Yeah, she's a real estate agent today. Nice, nice person and, uh... And I was like, I don't wanna fucking deal with a guy going through a divorce. Like, Jesus, like, what a mess. I was like, I'll just be your wingman. George, send me a beer, you know, like, that kind of a thing.

• 56:54Bunnie XO?

  Go, George, go.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so we just like talked and I remember he called me Oscar, like, he was like, what up, Oscar, like, kinda teasing me about Oscar. Cause I was, you know, I was known as Oscar's girlfriend, the gold digger, you know? You know, I was like, okay, and I was like, what? And then the next week, cause you know, you would go to the same club every week, every Thursday, you went, you know, the same thing, and she was like.

• 57:15Bunnie XO?

  I miss that because that's how it was back in the day. Like, yeah, we used to have like wasted space out here.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were like, Wednesday, we go here, Thursday, we go here every week, you know, that's what you did. And my girlfriend was like, I'm gonna go meet Rob again, like, come with me. And I was like, fuck, okay. And, um, and.

• 57:31Bunnie XO?

  Fuck, I guess I'll go.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  I guess I'll go. So I was like, yay. And so I, I went and Travis was there again. And this time, like, he, like, he came up to me and we like, I'll never forget it, like, it was something stupid. Like, I was just like, what's your sign? Like, I said it, like, what's your sign or something like that? Um, and we just started talking and then Rob and my girlfriend at the time, Natasha, we all went to like, back to his hotel. Cause he was staying at a hotel to be away from his wife. And, um, and we just like.

• 58:02Bunnie XO?

  Travis's hotel.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, we went to Travis's hotel. We were all just like, listening to music and drinking and having fun. And he and I kissed. And I remember like, looking, like, stepping back and being like, what the fuck was that? Like, holy shit, like, I just met like, the love of my life. And I was like, I'm gonna have your baby.

• 58:20Bunnie XO?

  Ah, here we go again.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  I was like, I'm gonna have your baby. And I just knew it. And six months later, I got pregnant.

• 58:26Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  Which I was, but I mean, and I, I was so madly, I mean, even like, I never thought I would love again or kinda meet that kind of connection. But Travis is definitely more the love of my life, more, way more than Oscar.

• 58:40Bunnie XO?

  What is Oscar's sign?

• 58:42Speaker 02

  Uh, he's an Aquarius.

• 58:43Bunnie XO?

  Okay, yeah, that's crazy. Aquarius and Aries.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  And Travis is a Scorpio.

• 58:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, which is crazy to me that, but if you have a Virgo moon, then that makes sense because Virgo and Scorpio are soulmates. I would love to see you guys' charts. I'm surprised, I'm sure somebody's done them online, but, um, do you feel like you and Travis were twin flames?

• 59:00Speaker 02

  Oh, one hundred percent.

• 59:01Bunnie XO?

  Because you guys had like, a long tumultuous relationship.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, people don't even realize how long after. They're like, oh, they got divorced in two thousand eight. I'm like. Yeah, we lived with each other like a married couple to like almost 2012.

• 59:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, people don't know that.

• 59:17Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey. You and Travis kiss. What happens after that? You guys just instantly connect?

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Like instantly connected and he was touring with the transplants and I would drive to his house like every weekend and we would just see each other as much as possible and I just was, I mean, we just were together. I mean.

• 59:33Bunnie XO?

  Did he love bomb you as much as he love bombs?

• 59:35Speaker 02

  We were the, we were the OG love bombers.

• 59:37Bunnie XO?

  I know, I remember.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Do you get deja vu, Courtney? Please? Like.

• 59:42Bunnie XO?

  I do remember.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Watching that was just like, I was like, oh Christ, you know, like this is hard to watch.

• 59:48Bunnie XO?

  Well, he definitely has a pattern.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  You know, that's what I think.

• 59:50Bunnie XO?

  He, I feel like it was a little more acceptable when you guys did it.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:54Bunnie XO?

  Because it felt more real.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:56Bunnie XO?

  I, you know, and I'm not talking shit about them. I'm just saying like, you guys did do it first and it was just more accepted back then too.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we, you know, we got our, you know, I got pregnant, um, six months later and, um, and.

• 1:00:08Bunnie XO?

  Were you guys living together by then already?

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I told him on Valentine's Day and, um, and yeah, we just, we were just, it was really one of the happiest times of my life.

• 1:00:19Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, and when we had Landon, um, we had Landon and then that's when MTV came to us and asked us if, you know, the newlyweds were going off and asked us if we wanted to meet the Barkers. And back then, you know, reality TV was so new. I mean, you had the Osbournes and you had the newlyweds. That was really it.

• 1:00:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  There was no other, you know, that, they were the pioneers of reality TV. So that's when we did Meet the Barkers and that, you know, that was really, our, I watch those episodes now and I'm like, who are those people?

• 1:00:47Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  It's like another lifetime ago.

• 1:00:49Bunnie XO?

  I watched all, all the original reality TV, the newlyweds, Meet the Barkers and, uh, the Osbournes. Loved all of it. And I feel like that's when TV was fucking great, dude.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  And, and because back then it wasn't scripted.

• 1:01:00Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  I mean, they really just had two teams of people following you around.

• 1:01:03Bunnie XO?

  With cameras.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  That was your life, you know, and you didn't have to get, you know, legal to say, oh, you can go eat in that restaurant or you can go into that store. People, you didn't have to sign their lives away. You could just, you just went to that store, you know?

• 1:01:15Bunnie XO?

  I know how, uh, TV shows are shot and I know that they're edited and, you know, there, there, there's always a narrative that they want to paint.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:01:22Bunnie XO?

  How do you feel about people always saying that, oh, Shanna, all she did was ever lay in bed?

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so fucking annoying. It's so fucking annoying because I'm like, what do you guys think I'm like narcoleptic or something like? It was supposed to be funny. It was supposed to be like a little like, it was supposed to be entertaining, you know? It was supposed to be like a funny part of the show.

• 1:01:40Bunnie XO?

  I mean, that bed looked comfortable as fuck.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  I, I love, man, I love my beds. I, I love my beds and I do love sleeping. Um, I do have chronic fatigue, like I was diagnosed with that when I was like 19. So when I work, um, when I first start any work schedule, I usually relapse and it's very, very hard for me to like function and get up and, um, and I, you know, I get real irritable with people. But I, um, you know, what they don't understand is that I was the one rocking babies all fucking night long.

• 1:02:06Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  So I would, Travis wasn't, he was on tour and he was at the time, he also had a pretty heavy pill addiction, you know, that he's been very open and candid about. Um, I didn't know that at the time. I was so naive. I didn't even realize it. Um,

• 1:02:18Bunnie XO?

  You didn't know that he was an addict?

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  No, no, I didn't know at all.

• 1:02:21Bunnie XO?

  What was he taking, like Laura Tubbs?

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  He was taking like Darvocets or like, like Narcos or some, Norcos, Norcos or something, yeah, something like that, like some sort of-

• 1:02:30Bunnie XO?

  Loved a good Norco back in the day.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, I don't even like, I don't even know, you know? If I took a Norco, I'd like throw up.

• 1:02:35Bunnie XO?

  Now, yes, I would too, but back then, that's what I used to look for because they had less aspirin in them than the blue pills.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm like, I have no clue. Like, I didn't even know he was like on him, you know? He just, but that's how he functioned, you know? And, um, but I would be, you know, the, the cameras would stop rolling, they'd leave around 10 o'clock at night. And then, you know, Travis would go to bed, but I would have to go put like Atiana in her bed and I'd put on like, you know, a movie and then I would go and like rock Landon and mind you, I was pregnant. And then, you know, I'd rock Landon and then I'd go lay down with Atiana until she fell asleep. And then I would go lay down and then one of them would wake up like five minutes later. You know, and then I would go rock the baby and then I would go, you know, lay down with her. And then when I had Alabama on the show, well, then I had to go put Atiana down, go rock Alabama, you know, you know, then go rock Landon and then one of the, you know, I was constantly, so by the time like our nanny would come at like eight in the morning

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  and the crew would show up, I was exhausted, you know? And it was like, I need to sleep. I've been up all night, like working the graveyard shift. You know, so, I mean, so when people say that- All the time like, oh, you're a deadbeat. I think I did one episode where the nanny came in and I, I, the nanny, um, stayed the night.

• 1:03:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  And I actually got like, I was like, I need to get like eight hours of sleep, like a solid eight hours of sleep. Like I can't have it broken up every three hours. What you do with the newborn and stuff. And, uh, so I had Liz, who's still with us to this day. Um, yeah, she, uh, came over and, and they filmed it and they asked her, they, she can't, on Meet the Barkers, they filmed her and, and, um, and I said, how were they last night? You know, so all the people at home thought that I had a fucking nanny.

• 1:04:13Bunnie XO?

  The entire.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  The entire time, every night. And it was just like one night. And then it's like, I'm a deadbeat mom that never like, who slept and never took care of her kids.

• 1:04:19Bunnie XO?

  That's exactly why I wanted to ask that question because I, I know being in the industry and having to film our reality show that we do. Fucking, I know exactly that there's always more to the story.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Bunnie XO?

  And I don't think people comprehend, people on the other side of the keyboard, don't comprehend that what you see on TV is completely edited. Yes, it's real. But it's completely chopped up and edited and there's so much.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Storyline to entertain you. It's supposed to, you know, it was supposed to be funny.

• 1:04:48Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  But, you know, it, and, you know, I honestly think, and I think the worst thing you can do to a woman is to shit on her as a mother.

• 1:04:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  I think it's really one of the cruelest and most vile things. And I honestly can't imagine going up to a stranger or to a person or going online and saying to someone, you're a fucking piece of shit mother. You're a deadbeat mother. Like,

• 1:05:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  I don't fucking know you from a hole in the wall. I can't imagine saying that to a stranger and, and saying that to them about, you don't know what's going on in someone's home, what's going on with their husband. And people, you know, because we had that show, they, and I know I'm a public person. And, you know, and it's like, and, you know, I put myself in that position, but at the same time, fuck you.

• 1:05:31Bunnie XO?

  This is where, this is where I stand up for us and I have been standing up to online bullies and they fucking hate it. Just because we are open online does not give you the right to tear us apart for no fucking reason. They're like, well, you're a celebrity. You should be able to handle it. How about go fuck yourself? You'd never say this to my face.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:05:50Bunnie XO?

  You know, I'd stand up to the bullies and I don't fucking like it.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  And Instagram's the worst. Like, I can't go live right now.

• 1:05:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh, get on TikTok, girl. You ain't seen nothing yet.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, Instagram's like, I mean, in the way that they don't defend you.

• 1:06:02Bunnie XO?

  Oh, at all.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Like, you know, I told someone to like, go fuck themselves, or I called them a bitch the other day, you know, shooting on my daughter, like, or shooting on me as a mother or something, you know? And I just was like, bitch, get off my page.

• 1:06:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Thirty days. And it's like, and it's just, I know they probably have a computer that's just like, I said the word bitch, so now I can't go live for thirty days. But it's like, did you see the comment? Is that person blocked? Is that person, you know, is there any repercussions for these people's actions for that? Like, you know, what if I, what if I wasn't as strong as I am and I go fucking blow my brains out? Like, you know, do you, like, I don't, I don't understand it. It's really, you know, it's, it's, but I, back to what I was saying, I honestly think criticizing women like that, especially as a mother, is really the grossest and lowest form of harassment you can do to a woman.

• 1:06:47Bunnie XO?

  I could never go to somebody's page and just say anything mean.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  And, and if I don't like you, I don't want to go on your page.

• 1:06:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, even if I don't agree with it, I'm just like, eh, and keep scrolling, you know? I don't have to word vomit on this person's page just to make myself feel better.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  If I don't like something, I don't view it. I don't go to their pages. I scroll on by, you know, like,

• 1:07:05Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  I don't pay attention to it, but you know, it's, I mean, people, and I used to when MySpace was big back in the day.

• 1:07:11Bunnie XO?

  I love MySpace. We never had problems. We had the top fucking eight. We had, we could put music on our profiles. We could design our profiles.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  It was so amazing.

• 1:07:21Bunnie XO?

  Tom didn't fucking fuck with us. Nobody got violations. Like, bring MySpace back.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Please.

• 1:07:28Bunnie XO?

  Tom, where the fuck are you?

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  I think Justin Timberlake bought it. Justin, bring it back.

• 1:07:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I think Tom, Tom followed me on fucking TikTok and I was more excited about that than fucking like,

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  I matched with him on, on a dating app.

• 1:07:43Bunnie XO?

  Tom, you dirty boy you.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was on the league. You only get like three people a day and he's like, yes, it's really me.

• 1:07:49Bunnie XO?

  Oh my god, that is so funny.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  We never, never talk. It was the same picture and I was like, is this really the, the Tom?

• 1:07:57Bunnie XO?

  Oh my god.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  That's weird.

• 1:07:58Bunnie XO?

  I would love to see Tom in person. I gotta get Tom on the podcast. Alright, so moving back to Meet the Markers, is that kind of where you guys' relationship started falling apart a little bit?

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  A little bit. Towards like the end of the season, I think what really happened, or really started to affect our relationship, which is the irony to this day for me, is he didn't want to be known as like a couple or a reality star. He wanted to be known as a musician.

• 1:08:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Which I understand. And I respected 1,000%, you know? And, you know, back then I was like, you know, I, I wanna do all the things that you see reality stars doing now. Like I wanted to start a clothing line and a brand and he was just so against all of it. Like he was so punk rock and I was so against like what he-

• 1:08:40Bunnie XO?

  But he had famous stars in straps.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did. But that was, but that was, yeah, straps, famous stars in straps. But that was like its own company. He wasn't using the TV show. He had already created that, you know? Um, he was an opportunist with the TV show.

• 1:08:54Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  And, um, and, uh, and so, you know, he's, we, we kinda put an end to it, so he could-

• 1:09:01Bunnie XO?

  Isn't that the point of having a reality show though? To capitalize off, to capitalize? And I'm not talking shit, I'm just saying like I would think that you would wanna capitalize off whatever you could, especially with the attention that you guys were getting.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I, I just think for him, you know, he was the star. And I think when it became about us, like as a couple, and I wanted to be like a power couple, you know, and he, he didn't want that. He wanted to like, you know, I think he was used to being the man and the center and the musician and, um, and he wanted to be known and taken seriously as a serious musician. And that I could respect. But, um, that's kinda like where it, like it, it started to decline.

• 1:09:38Bunnie XO?

  When did the affair with Kim Kardashian start?

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

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• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  It started after the affair with Paris Hilton.

• 1:10:29Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and um...

• 1:10:31Bunnie XO?

  Here comes Paris again.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, there comes Paris. And I had already got like, mind you, in that club, I had gotten Paris Hilton's face, you know, like, well, when Oscar and I were having a conversation, she bippity bopped in. And I was like, "Aren't you fucking this one here? Aren't you fucking this one?" And she was like, "I don't even know him." I'm like, "Yeah, you do." And so she leaves and, you know, he and I continued arguing, Oscar and I, and I left. So she and I had already had words like that night. And then, um, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't know, um, he and I were arguing and we kind of like separated, but we were still living in the same house.

• 1:11:02Bunnie XO?

  How did you know he was having an affair with Paris?

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Uh, they caught him like making out on camera.

• 1:11:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gotcha.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  And it was like all over TMZ and everything. And I was just like, "Wow."

• 1:11:10Bunnie XO?

  I feel like back then Paris was the party girl, and I don't feel like she really even knew what the fuck was going on. Cause I had, I had met Paris a few times out here, and every time I met her, she was sloshed, dude.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, she was.

• 1:11:21Bunnie XO?

  And I'm not making excuses for her.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  No, not at all, not at all.

• 1:11:24Bunnie XO?

  We were all partying and fucking doing our own thing, but I...

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  100%. She was a kid. Like, I mean, and I was a kid. I mean, I was probably 26, 27, and she was like, I think like 17 years old or something, you know?

• 1:11:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, she was young, too.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was young.

• 1:11:35Bunnie XO?

  A lot of these men had taken advantage of her, too.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I, I would agree with that 100%. Yeah, 100%. But, um, yeah, she, I remember, this is the big incident with her. We, uh, I was, I was doing Dancing with the Stars, and I think Bama was like six months old, and, um...

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  And the dancers back then, you know, all the famous ones now couldn't get into the clubs and they needed me to get them into the to the clubs. So we went over, there was like Hyde on Sunset, then there was this other club and uh

• 1:12:09Bunnie XO?

  God, I remember Hyde.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, awful. And um, I was just there for the first time since this incident like last week for Jason Momoa's vodka launch party. Not, not, not for him, but for his vodka.

• 1:12:22Bunnie XO?

  I was like, nice.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  He was there, but I've known him since he was nineteen, but like

• 1:12:26Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys ever hook up?

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've known him since

• 1:12:29Bunnie XO?

  He's single now.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  Uh, since he was a model. I mean, he's cute.

• 1:12:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  He's cute. Uh, he, he was like young Elvis when, you know, when he first moved to LA. It was like a model and stuff, but yeah, anyway, um, but uh, yeah, so we were, I was at this one club and my girlfriend came up to me. She was actually at that party and she was like, you, you need to leave. And she was like, mind you, I'm married to Travis. And she was like, um, Travis and Paris are coming in, like you need to leave. And I was like,

• 1:12:57Bunnie XO?

  And so were you guys weren't split at the time?

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  We were separated. Um, he was like, I think doing the whole hotel thing.

• 1:13:03Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gotcha.

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  You know, when I was at the house with the babies. And I only, I wasn't gonna go out that night. I just uh, went to get those other dancers, those kids into the club. And um, and so when I went down, so I went down to Hyde and um, and I was just like doing my thing and um, and Cheryl Burke, I'll never forget this, came in and was like, Paris is here. And I was like, why is she here? She was just making out with my husband at the fucking bar down the road, you know? And um, and then I, I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna leave. I'm going home. Like, I can't, I gotta get the fuck out of here. This is, you know, it's humiliating to be asked to leave and then, you know, this, you know, whatever. And, and there she was with Stavros. She was making out with Stavros.

• 1:13:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, she was with him.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was, yeah, she was making out with him. And I was like, I have a fucking six month old at home and I have a fucking like two year old and a five year old kid. And you're fucking making out with my husband a block down and now you're making out with this dude. You don't even love my husband. You're destroying my family and you don't even fucking love him. You know, it's not even like this is your soulmate or you're, you think you're gonna have something with him.

• 1:14:06Bunnie XO?

  And I'm sure you were really hurt.

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  I was destroyed. I was destroyed. And I um, I went up to her and uh, and I was like, you're, you're a real fucking bitch. And she looked at me and she went, you're a, she used her voice, you know, her voice that she does. And she went, you're a fucking bitch. And I just went at it and um.

• 1:14:26Bunnie XO?

  You punched her in the jaw, right?

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  I, yeah, and I was gonna.

• 1:14:29Bunnie XO?

  Allegedly.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Allegedly, yeah. And I was about to go at it and Stavros fucking shoved me um down like if the staircase. And if like there weren't people coming up the staircase, I probably would have rolled down the stairs and fucking died. And then um, yeah, and he came up to me and he got in my face. He poured a drink on my head. He got in my, he had like my wrist and was like bending it back and I kneed him in the, in the nuts to get him like away from me. And um Sam, like the owner and stuff, they were all like yelling at me and they like basically shoved me out the door, the front door to the, the paparazzi. And that's what all that footage is, like if you Google, it's terrible. And I had to walk from that fucking bar down to the other bar to go get my car.

• 1:15:08Bunnie XO?

  While paparazzi.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, all the paparazzi was like chasing me. It was terrible. So that was like, kind of like the end of it all. But, and then he went to um Paris, which is in his book, um it's kind of like, and he was with Paris. And at time, I guess he was talking to Kim too. I don't know. I think that's when they first started talking as friends. And um, and he came back, he, he got flown back from a tour because he was so fucked up on drugs. And I got him sober. And I remember telling uh like his friend, little Chris.

• 1:15:38Bunnie XO?

  So even after all of this, um even after, you know, the situation with Paris and stuff like that. Um and then, you know, knowing about the Kim situation.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  I didn't know about Kim at that point.

• 1:15:49Bunnie XO?

  You didn't know about Kim at that point. Okay, gotcha. Um, he still came back to you.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  He came back, yeah.

• 1:15:54Bunnie XO?

  Hey, I really need help. I have a problem there.

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  And I helped him. And I told little Chris, I was like, you, and Paris was still trying to call him. I was like, I was like, look at your fucking friend right now. Look at him. That's, that's what you do to your friend? Don't bring another fucking drug into this house. Don't you do it. You know, and um. It was like some Johnny Cash type shit. You know, like, I mean, I was egging people's cars and stuff, like, you know, like.

• 1:16:17Bunnie XO?

  Whose cars did you egg?

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  His man, like his assistant, you know, trying to pick him up to take him out to meet bitches and give him drugs, you know? Everyone wanted to be a rock star. They all wanted, you know, they needed him to go party and drink and meet bitches and feel cool. You know, but he had a family and, you know.

• 1:16:33Bunnie XO?

  You were trying to help him heal.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  You know, trying to, yeah, so, uh, and we got back together and we were trying to heal over that. I actually helped, um, create the, the girls line of Famous Stars and Straps. And I did all the campaigns and I got all my Playmate friends and, you know, Adrian Curry and, you know, Tiffany John, Tiffany, um, yeah, I think Johnson, uh, to model, you know, big models and stuff. And I did all the women's line and stuff. And then that's when Kim came in. And she was just starting. They didn't have their show or anything yet.

• 1:17:02Bunnie XO?

  Wasn't Kim, uh, Kim was best friends with Paris.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  With Paris, yeah. It was like the two of them had like a, like a who can we fuck competition in LA? You know, like, you know, whose husband can we fuck? You know, like, it was pretty crazy. I mean, they really did. It was, it was like wild. It was like, that's why today when they have issues now, I'm like, oh, you know.

• 1:17:21Bunnie XO?

  Well, life always comes back around.

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  It always, yeah.

• 1:17:23Bunnie XO?

  And like I said, and I'm not defending their actions.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Bunnie XO?

  They were so young.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  They were.

• 1:17:28Bunnie XO?

  I mean, I've done shit that I fucking completely regret that I did in my twenties. Now that I'm in my forties, I'm like, why did I do that?

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. For me, it's like, hey, you did what you did, you know?

• 1:17:39Bunnie XO?

  At least just say sorry or like.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's, yeah, that's fine. But it's like, you know, don't be shocked when, you know, when you, when you deal with an angry wife.

• 1:17:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Is that TikTok sound? You're shocked?

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:50Bunnie XO?

  You're shocked?

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:52Bunnie XO?

  So Kim came in and then what happened there?

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  So she shot for Famous Stars and Straps and this was the first time that he handled the shoot.

• 1:17:59Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:17:59Speaker 02

  Mind, mind you, she's wearing the stuff I designed, you know? And I was just like, why is this girl on your, cause I associated her with Paris and, you know? And I was like, why is this girl on your computer? Like, why, what's going on? And he was like, oh, I was just, you know, she's up and coming and I just wanted to like, you know, get involved and stuff. And I knew like things were getting weird. And at that time, we were still like, you know, kind of working on things. And I had a house in the same neighborhood. And so we would like going back and forth to each other's homes. And someone anonymously and randomly texts me, uh, their conversations. And I'm pretty sure it was Paris. I'm pretty sure, as far as I don't know.

• 1:18:34Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  But someone.

• 1:18:35Bunnie XO?

  So somebody just texts you from a random number and it's screenshots?

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, of all the, of all Travis and Kim's conversations.

• 1:18:41Bunnie XO?

  And what were those like?

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  They were trying to meet up at her sister's house to fuck.

• 1:18:45Bunnie XO?

  Which sister?

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:18:47Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:18:48Bunnie XO?

  Wouldn't that be crazy if it was Courtney?

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I know. Um, I think, I think Courtney.

• 1:18:54Bunnie XO?

  How would that person have gotten those screenshots? That's crazy.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  Someone, someone got it on her phone for sure.

• 1:18:59Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  And I remember I, so I went to, to the house and I showed him to him and I, I was bawling. I was just so, I was just fucking broken again.

• 1:19:09Bunnie XO?

  It's exhausting. I've been in relationships like that and it's like, it's so, it just tears you down as a human and as a woman. You just, your self-esteem is just shot at this point.

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  I just, and I wanted, I wanted, you know, I felt like such a failure with Oscar. I wanted this relationship to work and, you know, we did get married and we had a successful TV show and, you know, and I was so in love with him and so happy and I wanted to have what my parents had for my children. I wanted my children to see their mother and father in love and to walk in on them dancing and have what I had, you know? And I just knew like I wasn't going to be able to give my children that at that moment.

• 1:19:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  And I showed him the text messages and he deleted them and so I said, I don't see anything. And I was like, we're gonna do this? Like, we're gonna do this?

• 1:19:49Bunnie XO?

  Wow. I mean, that's the biggest admission of guilt.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, just like, and then she called, I called her, we had words. And, uh, and she just said to me that she didn't like white guys. She only dated black guys and I was like, Kim, you'll fuck anyone to be famous, like you really will. And you fucked, you know, that little singer boy and you, you know, and you fucked the NSYNC kid. You fucked the NSYNC kid, you know, or whatever.

• 1:20:10Bunnie XO?

  Oh, which NSYNC kid?

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  I think she, she was with, um, I don't know all their names and stuff. Um, you can Google it, it's out there.

• 1:20:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  It's definitely out there, but I was like, you'll fuck anyone to be famous, you know? Cause they didn't have their show yet and then they just got their show. And then Travis and I really, um, never really recovered from that.

• 1:20:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, it's hard because that was multiple times and just as a woman, it's like your self-pride and your dignity.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  You know, I felt stupid. I was like, you're just making me look dumb, you know, like.

• 1:20:39Bunnie XO?

  Over and over.

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  You know, over and over. So I, I filed for divorce.

• 1:20:41Bunnie XO?

  What year is this?

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Uh, 2008.

• 1:20:43Bunnie XO?

  2008, so you file from divorce for divorce from Travis. Take me on this. You're starting over again, but this time you got three babies.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Yes, we're starting over again. I go back to my house, um, uh, uh, he gets into a plane crash. And well, we, we actually started working on things again. We started talking.

• 1:21:03Bunnie XO?

  This is where the twin flame thing comes in.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, we started working on things again and I guess things, you know, according to his book, everyone can read it, you know. They decided that, you know, they would just be friends, but you know, I, I think there's a lot more going on there. But I mean, if you read his book, when people read his book, you know, there's TikToks and stuff about it too. And I'm like, he was fucking married. Like, you know, I mean, I caught him with like Lindsay Lohan, Kimberly Stewart, Tara Connor. Fucking Paris Kim, like, you know, he, you know.

• 1:21:31Bunnie XO?

  He was living the rock star lifestyle.

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  He was living the rock star life, you know, so. Um, but he, you know, we always came back to each other and.

• 1:21:38Bunnie XO?

  That's why I always say twin flames, because no matter what you guys went through, you guys always came back.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Bunnie XO?

  Do you think that he'll come back again if things don't work out with him and Courtney?

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  I don't know, you know.

• 1:21:47Bunnie XO?

  Would you let him come back?

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  I don't know. I really, people ask me that, you know, I'll always love him. I'll always love him immensely and deeply and, um, and I'm not bitter or jealous. Um, I, I don't know him anymore.

• 1:21:59Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  I really don't. I don't, I don't know him as a human being anymore at all. So if I ever did hang out with him, I would have to.

• 1:22:06Bunnie XO?

  Relearn him.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Relearn him and, and get to know him as just a friend first and as a person, you know. But I'm as the father of my children and as just like, as someone that I, I, I look back fondly on. Some of the most amazing memories of my life. I'll always love him for sure. Yeah.

• 1:22:23Bunnie XO?

  So he gets in this plane crash.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:25Bunnie XO?

  Which was a brutal plane crash.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  I was at the house. We were together at that time.

• 1:22:30Bunnie XO?

  So this is after you filed for divorce?

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, after, yeah, we're not, but we're now we're rekindling. We were talking about getting remarried. And, uh, and, um, he, uh, he, it was, he had just finished tour and he had to go do this, uh, show with DJ AM. Um, in North Carolina and he, uh, he didn't want to go. They got a private jet and he was like, you know. Mama, like this is, this jet is really little and I was like, you know, and he wanted me to go on it. And I, and I had this really weird feeling in the kitchen and I, it was so strange. And, um, and I remember like going, if we both die, who's going to take? Share my kids. I remember just having like that thought and um and I was like my mom and dad are too old and his mom and dad are too old and you know like

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  He was gonna raise my children like his sister like what like what's gonna happen? And I just said, you know, honey, I don't I don't wanna go like I would think I should stay stay back with the kids and I was like, you know, You're gonna wanna go play and come home and I'm gonna wanna go and party, you know, and you're not gonna want to and it's gonna be a big fight and And I was like, just go and come back and like like like let's start our life together, you know? And he was like, okay, but he took the plane there. He did the show and he wanted to get back and DJ AM and then had another show and he was supposed to stay another night And fly home like commercially, but DJ AM wanted to come back for a gig and so they voted on getting this plane. Basically, and he was like, I'm gonna come home early. And I remember when he got there, he was like, honey, I have a really bad feeling about this plane.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  And I was like, you say that about every plane. We both say this about every yesterday.

• 1:24:02Bunnie XO?

  That's how I am every time we're about to get on a flight.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  I was the same way yesterday. Like I was like, I had to cry on the plane. I was I sat next to a pilot and he like.

• 1:24:09Bunnie XO?

  Until Dita Von D's showed up.

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I was like, we're both not going down, Dita. Not not today.

• 1:24:13Bunnie XO?

  The Gothic angel arrived.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, Dita the angel, the airline angel arrived. But um yeah, so he uh it was so weird because I felt like He he called me fifteen minutes later after the plane crashed and um And I I I felt like they just landed. I don't know how to explain it to you. It felt like hours went by and they like and I and Alabama was in the bed and it was so weird. Alabama sat up and she went, Mommy, where's little Chris? And I went, where's little Chris? I was like, little Chris is with daddy, honey. Like, lay down, go back to sleep. And I was watching a movie and I got a call and it was a para- paramedic or a police officer. And he was like, ma'am, is this Shanna Moakler? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, there's been a terrible plane crash.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  And I said, uh, and I thought they were fucking around like joking. And I was like, that's not funny, you know, like, I don't think that's a funny joke. And he's like, no, ma'am, there's been a A bad accident. And then I was like, guys, it's not, it's not funny. And he goes, Ma'am, I am deputy blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's been a horrible plane accident. You need to listen to me. And then I heard Travis screaming. And and he was screaming, I'm on fire, I'm on fire and and he's like, we need to airlift him to the Atlanta something and he didn't and he didn't want to and then I talked to him and he was like, they're all gone, like little Chris is gone, they're gone and and um and he didn't want to get on another, like an airlift.

• 1:25:31Bunnie XO?

  I don't blame him.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  So they drove him, you know, I mean, and he was burned on like seventy percent of his body and and I um, I think I packed like a shoe and a remote control and a battery and I fucking flew to

• 1:25:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, in that moment, he does feel like whatever.

• 1:25:46Speaker 02

  So out of it and um, and I was with him for the first like three, four weeks um, there and um, in in Atlanta and then we took a tour bus back from Atlanta to the um, burn center in Los Angeles. And and I was there with him there for the first like two, three weeks. And this is where it went bad. Um, we got his computer to uh, I've never shared this with anyone before, uh, so it's kind of crazy. Uh, I got his computer and uh, and I, we were doing it so the kids could FaceTime with him because mind you, the kids hadn't seen their dad now for almost a month and a half. And uh, we just, and we, we were hoping that him seeing the kids would also give him the strength to keep fighting.

• 1:26:30Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  You know, and uh,

• 1:26:31Bunnie XO?

  Was he fighting like infection and stuff like that?

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  He didn't have infections, but just the pain, just the, just the, what they had to do and what he had to endure, surgeries and the removal of skin and just, it was really fucking horrifying. Um, I, I wouldn't have lived and I was supposed to be on that plane, you know, I would have, and we definitely wouldn't have lived because the, there were four guys and we would have let them have the back of the plane and Travis and I probably would have sat in the front and we wouldn't have had our seat belts on and we would have, we would have died for sure. So, um, yeah, I always think about that, but um, uh, when I was setting up his computer and he FaceTime with the kids, but um, and he was getting a blood transfusion and I looked in his email and I saw all the emails from all the women.

• 1:27:14Bunnie XO?

  Oh goodness.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  And I just like, and that didn't bother me as much as back then you had to, to

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  When you went to TMZ and you wrote a comment, right? What TMZ will do, you write a comment and then they'll email you a link and you have to click the link um to approve the comment. You can write, you know, Bob or Cindy Lou or whatever you want, but you have to, it's still, you have still have to send it to an email. And then you have to click the link and then TMZ will, will, you know, approve it. And I saw all these comments in his email that he was posting about me on TMZ. About what a shitty mother I was and Chris, little Chris, about what a shitty mother I was and what a terrible person I was and, you know. And I had even read some of them and I couldn't fucking believe that he was the one behind some of those comments.

• 1:28:02Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  And I left the hospital. It'll make me like cry, I love the hospital.

• 1:28:07Bunnie XO?

  That's so hurtful.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I, I went home and I cried in my mother's arms for like hours. It was terrible. I was like, it's terrible. And so that's when I was like-

• 1:28:15Bunnie XO?

  Because this is a man that you love, that you're literally-

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  By his side, like, you know, like I flew to be by his side and I, and I just fucking was like, I can't go back to, and I called his drum tech and the godfather of our children. I was like, I'm not coming back to the hospital. And I'm like, and this is why. And I need to like, we're, I need to figure some shit out. And, um, and, and I granted, looking back now, I probably should have just fucking ate or licked my wounds and been by his side while he was still recovering from that. But at that time, I felt like he, there's only like two people allowed into the room and he was in LA and he had his father and his sisters and he had a huge, hundreds of people were going to the hospital and visiting him every day and I felt like he had a good support system and for me, I just was like destroyed and, um-

• 1:29:02Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like he held that against you and that was kind of like ammo for his arsenal?

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  Later on, for sure, yeah.

• 1:29:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, uh, and you know, and so I just was going out, getting drunk, you know, and I think like they, they took pictures of me with like, I, I, I was friends with Gerard Butler. I had known him since I was like 20. And now I'm like, I guess I'm like 34 at this point. And I had saw him at a club and the paparazzi took pictures of us and they made it seem like I was kissing him and stuff, but I wasn't.

• 1:29:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  And, um, and then Travis saw that and then we just- Like never really recovered.

• 1:29:35Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy when they, when they can do it, but if you do it.

• 1:29:40Bunnie XO?

  I'm sorry that you went through that and that's very hurtful and I don't think that you should have had to have licked your wounds and you know, I understand most women would be like, well, she should have, or most people would have been like, oh, she should have sucked it up. No. When you've already been through so much hurt with somebody. There's always that one thing that happens that literally breaks the straw of a camel's back. And that's how I am in relationships. Like I'll give and I'll give and I'll give. And then if something happened, it could be the fucking smallest thing, which that was a big thing for you, but it could be the smallest thing and I'll be like, I'll never talk to this person again.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:30:11Bunnie XO?

  You know?

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we ended up talking.

• 1:30:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I know. You guys are just like glad for punishment. It's just because you guys really loved each other and I really feel like we could always feel the chemistry between Travis and you. Like it was just real. I feel like you and Travis are going, both of you are going to be searching for that connection that you guys have for the rest of your lives. Whether you guys.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  I'm still searching for it. Yeah, I'm single, so.

• 1:30:40Bunnie XO?

  I mean, but men are men and I, you know, him and his other situation could be very happy and you know, whatever, but. It's just when you have a love like that with somebody, it's very hard to ever.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  Yes, for sure. Yeah, it's a once in a lifetime kind of a.

• 1:30:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. So even after he hurt you, you still went back.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  We got back together and I'll never forget, it was the first, he got out of the hospital, but he was still like. On a lot of medications and very, and still healing and um, and he wanted to go to a restaurant. And I, I said, okay. And I remember watching him, it was the first time I'd seen him since I stopped going to the hospital. And he got out of the car and he grabbed Alabama and he took her out of the car and he looked fucked up. Like he just looked like he has been through it. You know, he had like a beard and you know, and, and, but I, and I remember him grabbing our daughter. And I just was like, that's it. I'm done. Like I'm going to heal this family.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  I'm going to heal this marriage. I'm going to let all this shit go and all this hurt and this pain and these affairs and everything. And I'm going to love this man and I'm going to make this family right. And that's what I tried to do. I um. I like cooked for him and I helped give his medications and I wiped his balls and I changed his dressings and I was there for him, you know? And um, and he just was like convinced because of the Gerard Butler that I like cheated on him, you know, he was convinced that I did that.

• 1:32:06Bunnie XO?

  Stop being a Scorpio Travis.

• 1:32:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, like just convinced and he just like, you know, and we were trying to date again, but we just like.

• 1:32:13Bunnie XO?

  There was just so much water.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  There was just so much and we just couldn't, we just, we couldn't do it and um, but we, we ended up living together, you know, and like.

• 1:32:21Bunnie XO?

  Was it just as friends? Were you guys still fucking?

• 1:32:23Speaker 02

  We were co-parents, you know, like.

• 1:32:25Bunnie XO?

  But were you guys still banging and like?

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  No, but we were just so in love with each other, but couldn't.

• 1:32:29Bunnie XO?

  Just didn't wanna let go.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  Didn't know how to do it and um, so, and we wanted to like, you know, be like there for our kids and so we lived together. Like a couple, I think till like almost two thousand fourteen.

• 1:32:42Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  You know, and then till I, I met a, my ex-boyfriend Brian, who was a Hell's Angel and uh, and at then. I got kinda serious with him and then I was like, okay, I don't think we should be living together anymore. Like, we're not together. You don't wanna work on this. I can't be living with you like, you know, like you should have your days and I should have my days. And we did what was like a nesting agreement where. At first, you know, we lived together all the time and then we did where the kids stayed in one house. And then I would go to the house like Monday to Wednesday and then he would go to the house like, you know, Wednesday to Sunday and then. But the kids would stay in the same place and we would go from our houses to that one house.

• 1:33:19Bunnie XO?

  I love how the kids were always the focal point though.

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  For sure, always.

• 1:33:22Bunnie XO?

  Whatever happened, no matter what we've been through, we're gonna try to fucking make this work.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  That, I mean, that was the one thing and to this day, it's the one thing that he and I agree on is our kids and just trying to give them the best life possible.

• 1:33:34Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 1:33:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:35Bunnie XO?

  So you move on, he moves on.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:38Bunnie XO?

  Is it over from there? So from twenty fourteen?

• 1:33:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's over. I mean, I stopped talking to him about around two thousand fourteen, we didn't, and we started following each other. Right before he and Courtney, I don't know how long they've been together, maybe two, three years, I'm not sure. Um, and then uh, when he got with Courtney, we, we, we stopped even just being. We we co-parent, you know, if there's some, I mean, my my oldest daughter's twenty four, she doesn't. You know, people still shit on me to this day, like, raise your kids. I'm like, I have a grown adult, like, I have a, my daughter is twenty four years old, like, you know, she's a young adult. So like, I don't like, need to rear her anymore, you know, like, you want me to change her fucking diapers, like.

• 1:34:16Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I already had a baby.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  I'm like, he's living with his girlfriend. What do you want me to do?

• 1:34:24Bunnie XO?

  They're both just so, all of them are so beautiful.

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. I'm really proud of him and I'm, he's so talented. They're all talented. And then Alabama, she's gonna be eighteen, you know, on Christmas Eve this month, so it's like.

• 1:34:35Bunnie XO?

  She is your fucking twin.

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's, and and internally too, she's like me, you know, she's, she has that tenacity and doesn't give a fuck and just. It's so ambitious and like, you know, people hate on her. I mean, you want to talk about bullying a fucking kid. That kid has got it since she was twelve and.

• 1:34:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I mean, she's been raised in it. So it's like, it's probably second skin to her, you know, but still, no child deserves to be bullied like that.

• 1:35:02Bunnie XO?

  How does it make you feel whenever they did take to like, public platforms and kind of talk shit about how you didn't raise them and stuff like that? Were you guys just in a heated argument and it was kid shit or?

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  I feel at the time when Travis got with Courtney, um, there was like some parental alienation going on there where. You know, I I, you have to understand too, you know. Travis, even when we weren't together, always wanted to be the super dad. I'm the best parent, I'm the this and that. And I'm like, bro, you win. Like, you're the winner here. Like, you have all the money and you have all the this, like, you, you're the winner, you know? Give the drummer some, you know, like, you're the, you're, you win. Like, I'm not competing with you, you know, like, um. But I think, you know, when the Kardashians first came around, they were enamored, just as like, young kids would be enamored by them. And I think there was a lot of glitter and fame and, you know, they watched him on TV and now their dad's dating one and they're gonna be on the show and.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  You know, and I think they got caught up in that, you know, which young kids would do. And you know, they're buying him Prada and they're buying him gifts and they're going to these events and they're meeting Kanye and they're, you know, the, all this big stuff. And I can't give them that. I don't have that. I don't have access to that. I don't have the money to do that. I can't buy you guys Prada every, you know. Other week and stuff. I don't, I can't do it. And my house isn't a mansion like Travis. I don't have a movie theater. I don't have golf carts for your kids to drive around. Yeah, you know, he's everything, you know, and, um. Uh, and so I think comments were made, I think they were influenced and um. And it was hurtful and it was, you know, and it was like, you know, and I've had conversations with them since and they, you know.

• 1:36:39Speaker 02

  They've apologized, but I'm not gonna take one comment that my angry teenage kid says to me. And and now all of a sudden, twenty four hours, I'm a fucking deadbeat mom. No, like, they all know I'm not. We all know the truth. I go to bed at night, I sleep very, very well. Um, with who I am as a woman and as a mother and how I raised my children and, you know, and uh, and I think now. As time's marching on, I think they're seeing things and they're realizing and as they become young adults, they're like. They see, they see through things that they didn't before.

• 1:37:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I get it. Teenagers will be teenagers. I went through it with our daughter who's gonna be sixteen. You know, she, she was like, yeah, we went through a rough patch this last summer and it's like, that's just how kids are. What fucking teenage girl gets along with their mom?

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:26Bunnie XO?

  Very rarely.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  Very, very rarely and I, you know, and at one point I just was like, you know what? The, the, the difference between a lot of people is, you know, that shit was all getting played out in the press with one of the biggest, most powerful families in the world, you know, and I'm. I don't, and, and they're, they're a media machine. They own the fucking media. I don't, so I just got fucking hammered and bullied and just, you know, and over my fucking kids. Who does that? Who does that to someone over and to, with their ch- own children? Fuck you, that family. You're disgusting.

• 1:37:58Bunnie XO?

  Have, so they haven't ever been welcoming to you?

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  No, and I would never, ever wanna know them, ever, like, and you know, and I'm tired of people shitting on me. I don't have to like that fucking family. People do not have to like that family. You don't, like, just because the media shoves them down your throat. Does not mean that you have to like that. There are people that don't like that family, don't watch that fucking show. And don't give a fuck what Kim Kardashian's doing with her ass. There are people that don't care. I don't fucking care and I'm not afraid of them. And I don't like them. But what I did do is I removed myself. I removed myself so that they couldn't let my, they couldn't bond with my children over hating me. And I removed myself and I took a step back and I was like, you know what? Go do what you guys need to do and when you're ready, I will be here loving you unconditionally.

• 1:38:45Speaker 02

  And I will be here as your mother and I will wait and that's what I did.

• 1:38:49Bunnie XO?

  That's what a real mom does.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:51Bunnie XO?

  You gotta let your kids kind of fall and um you know, figure it out for themselves because in the end they'll respect you more than trying to control the narrative.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:38:59Bunnie XO?

  You know, so.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:00Bunnie XO?

  Good, so you're you're so everybody, the relationship is great.

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  Yes, my kids and I are good. Yes, they're doing good and uh everything, everything, you know, this year, like I said, has been a little little rocky for me with the loss of my parents and um you know, and I had another pretty bad breakup and.

• 1:39:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, I would let's move on to that. So Matthew, you're talking about Matthew, right?

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, Matthew.

• 1:39:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that was a public breakup also.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  That was a public breakup too.

• 1:39:24Bunnie XO?

  You guys were together for?

• 1:39:25Speaker 02

  Um, three years, almost three years, yeah. Yeah, and I love him, I love him very much.

• 1:39:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll always, I'll always really care and love uh him. We quarantined together and you know, there's something about.

• 1:39:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I remember watching you guys.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  Quarantined with someone.

• 1:39:40Bunnie XO?

  I was watching your stories during quarantine.

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  We were so drunk, we were, you know, we just talked actually like last night and we were laughing about quarantine like we were like, wow, we really did the damn thing.

• 1:39:50Bunnie XO?

  So are you guys friends now? Because I do know.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  We're working on being friends.

• 1:39:53Bunnie XO?

  It's probably gotta be hard to get back with somebody who has slandered you in the public eye the way that he did too.

• 1:40:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:00Bunnie XO?

  It's like you can't trust somebody like that.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  I'm just so used to being slandered at this point by everybody, like I'm just like, I'm like, whatever.

• 1:40:06Bunnie XO?

  You're like, what, who else wants to shit on me? Let's go.

• 1:40:08Speaker 02

  Bring it, let's go, you know, so, yeah.

• 1:40:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, um, so you guys split and you guys are definitely just not.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's on the east coast and I'm on the west coast and you know, I don't know what I'm doing in life right now. I'm just kind of like floating and kind of just putting my, my my journey in the hands of God and and in the universe because I I've just, I've suffered so much loss this year that I really don't know and I really don't, even career wise, I don't even know what I want to do. And I'm not, I'm not stressing myself out about it. I'm just kind of um allowing myself grace and to heal.

• 1:40:45Bunnie XO?

  Jana, you deserve a break.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 1:40:47Bunnie XO?

  You have been going at it. Since you were a teenager, you know, pageants, pregnancy, divorces, drama, like

• 1:40:56Speaker 02

  It's been a ride.

• 1:40:57Bunnie XO?

  You probably need to take two years of just peace and healing and sitting, be still.

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I get a lot of, my fan base is a lot of women who are divorced and single or going through breakups and, you know, they ask me like, how, how do you do it? How do you, you know, and it's like, you just gotta feel it. You just gotta feel that pain and you gotta feel that hurt. And, and it's not fun and it's uncomfortable. And, you know, I tell some of my, some of my fans, like, you know, some days I get up and I make a coffee and that's a good day. You know, that's a good day. I got up and, you know, I was able to do that for myself, you know, so now it's like, that's all I'm doing is I'm just trying to like, just heal.

• 1:41:37Bunnie XO?

  You have a lot of hurt and I can see it in your eyes whenever you talk about it. Do you do therapy? Have you considered going to therapy?

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  No, I don't like, I don't like therapy. I don't like it, but I, um, I, I definitely am doing the self-work and, you know, the shadow work.

• 1:41:51Bunnie XO?

  The shadow work.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  The shadow work. I definitely do do that. I mean, I do a lot of, um, meditations, um,

• 1:41:57Bunnie XO?

  Meditation saves me.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I do lots of, um, uh, visualization and meditations. I do a lot of journaling. I do, I do a lot of like, you know, self-centering work and, and I know I'll get through it. I'll overcome it, but I think with the, losing my mother and father, that was like my, that's where I went to heal. You know, that's where I went. And so I have to kind of learn how to heal without that. And that in itself is its own journey.

• 1:42:23Bunnie XO?

  I feel like you are always there for everybody else and who's ever there for Shana.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 1:42:29Bunnie XO?

  But it's not, like, and like, you know, we can laugh about it and smile through our pain, but at the same time, it's like, you deserve to be able to just take time off and just, you know, fall in love with yourself.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 1:42:41Bunnie XO?

  Just fucking do what you gotta do to fucking just,

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:46Bunnie XO?

  At this point, you've raised your babies.

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:42:48Bunnie XO?

  You're good. Like, you've done the mom shit. You've done the acting. You've done everything.

• 1:42:53Speaker 02

  And I still have, you know, I still believe in love and I still have hope. Like, you know, I, I think there is that person like, out there for me and I love marriage. Um, but I, I definitely know that I don't want to go into another relationship broken. I want to be like healed and I want to, you know, you know, the next relationship I do get into, I want it to be one where I understand boundaries and I understand communication and, and all that stuff and, and break this, that, that sort of narcissistic cycle.

• 1:43:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, you sweet baby. Well, Shanna, it has been amazing talking to you.

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 1:43:28Bunnie XO?

  You have such a great story, dude.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you.

• 1:43:31Bunnie XO?

  I feel like, like we're best friends now.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. Feel like we've had moments.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  I felt like that before I even met you, but you just, you give that energy too.

• 1:43:39Bunnie XO?

  I love that. No, I appreciate that. And I want you to come back.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. I'd be honored.

• 1:43:43Bunnie XO?

  And sit on this podcast and talk about whatever you want. I'm excited to see what you do next.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you.

• 1:43:49Bunnie XO?

  You know, like you're just, you're a precious commodity to the world and I want you to know that.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 1:43:54Bunnie XO?

  Why don't you tell everybody where they can find you at?

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can find me pretty much on all social media platforms. It's just my name. So at Shanna Moakler, um, on Instagram and.

• 1:44:02Bunnie XO?

  Wait, we forgot to talk about one thing.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:44:04Bunnie XO?

  You have an OnlyFans.

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  I do have an OnlyFans. Yes, I do.

• 1:44:07Bunnie XO?

  We gotta make mama money.

• 1:44:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, make, yes, go visit my OnlyFans.

• 1:44:11Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:44:12Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I, I, I love it. I don't do anything like pornographic. Um, I don't like, I don't masturbate.

• 1:44:18Bunnie XO?

  But God, if you did. You would probably, I made my, I made millions on OF. I could only imagine if you fucking went down that road. Would you ever go down that road or no?

• 1:44:29Speaker 02

  I don't know. No, I don't think it's like for me, but I, I do like what I basically like Playboy style stuff. You know, I do like customs, you know, and things like that, but I don't, um, I don't get too crazy on there.

• 1:44:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  But I have a lot of fun and I chat and talk and, um, yeah, I have, I have a lot of fun on there.

• 1:44:44Bunnie XO?

  Right, good.

• 1:44:45Speaker 02

  But you know, and I, you know, and I think OnlyFans isn't as taboo as, as it used to be. And especially with OnlyFans TV. I do pageant stuff on OnlyFans TV, you know, so.

• 1:44:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:53Speaker 02

  You know, I'm teaching girls like interview skills on there. So.

• 1:44:56Bunnie XO?

  I love it.

• 1:44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's cool.

• 1:44:57Bunnie XO?

  I just had to make sure that we shouted out the OnlyFans.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  Thank you. Yes. And yeah, you can go to my OnlyFans, Shanna Moakler, onlyfans.com, at Shanna Moakler. And my Instagram's at Shanna Moakler, my, uh, Twitter, threads, everything.

• 1:45:08Bunnie XO?

  We gotta get you on TikTok. Need to be more active on TikTok.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  I just am starting, so I would love to learn.

• 1:45:13Bunnie XO?

  We got you, baby.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  From you guys.

• 1:45:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  If you please teach me like.

• 1:45:16Bunnie XO?

  We got you.

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  What works, because I do not know. And I'm not even verified on there. I don't even know.

• 1:45:20Bunnie XO?

  Oh, you will. Once you start getting more active and getting more views, they'll verify you for sure. There's no reason why they wouldn't verify you.

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  Okay, cool. Okay. I'm like, but I'm learning and Bama just like laughs at me. I'm like, how do I do this?

• 1:45:31Bunnie XO?

  Just be yourself.

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:32Bunnie XO?

  Literally, that's exactly what Bama does. She just gets on there and does her makeup thing.

• 1:45:35Speaker 02

  Yep, yep.

• 1:45:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  I'm gonna try. I'm gonna do a live on there this month, since I can't do one on Instagram, so I'm gonna do a live on there.

• 1:45:42Bunnie XO?

  Start moving your Instagram over to TikTok.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:45:45Bunnie XO?

  Too. Like, they all talk to themselves, but TikTok is like.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:45:48Bunnie XO?

  It'll grow your business tenfold.

• 1:45:49Speaker 02

  Oh, you're good. Yeah, you guys have, masters have to teach. Teach me, please. Teach me.

• 1:45:54Bunnie XO?

  We got you, baby. Thank you so much for coming by.

• 1:45:56Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me. I appreciate it a lot.

• 1:45:58Bunnie XO?

  Really appreciate you. Thank you, guys, for tuning in to another episode of Done Blonde. I will see you, guys, next week. Bye.

• 1:46:07Speaker 04

  I hope I don't have to cancel again tonight.

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