MFM Minisode 423

This week’s hometowns include faking an injury and an important hometown festival. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Karen Kilgariff?

  This is exactly right.

• 0:06Georgia Hardstark?

  In New Orleans, truckers kept getting sideswiped the exact same way.

• 0:10Karen Kilgariff?

  When a man is found murdered under questionable circumstances related to these accidents, that's when the rubber hits the road.

• 0:16Georgia Hardstark?

  And what the feds uncover is a complex scheme of staged wrecks, financial fraud, and a pair of conspiring lovers behind it.

• 0:23Karen Kilgariff?

  This is a story about fake accidents that led to real consequences.

• 0:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Listen to Over My Dead Body: Operation Sideswipe wherever you get your podcasts.

• 0:31Karen Kilgariff?

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• 0:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Goodbye.

• 0:41Karen Kilgariff?

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• 0:45Georgia Hardstark?

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• 0:49Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Give a piece that says exactly what words can't.

• 1:02Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:04Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 1:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello.

• 1:27Georgia Hardstark?

  And welcome.

• 1:28Karen Kilgariff?

  To My Favorite Murder.

• 1:30Georgia Hardstark?

  The mini-sode.

• 1:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31Georgia Hardstark?

  That's what we're doing here.

• 1:32Karen Kilgariff?

  It's the email episode.

• 1:34Georgia Hardstark?

  We read you stories about absolutely anything.

• 1:37Karen Kilgariff?

  And then we just talk about email in general.

• 1:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Just all the different ones we've had over the years.

• 1:42Georgia Hardstark?

  The World Wide Web.

• 1:43Karen Kilgariff?

  SBC Global.

• 1:45Georgia Hardstark?

  You want to go first?

• 1:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Sure. The subject line of this email is "A Murder at a Convent in the Czech Republic Countryside."

• 1:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 1:53Karen Kilgariff?

  "Hi. In 2013, at the end of my junior year of college, I studied abroad for the summer in the Czech Republic. There were 15 of us from our Catholic (in parentheses, this is relevant) university on this six-week trip. We had classes from Monday to Thursday and spent the weekends traveling around the Czech Republic as a group. One weekend, we were meant to attend a seminar related to our classes. I could not tell you what the seminar was about, but it probably had something to do with religion, since we were staying at a former convent next to a church." Also, I am and have long been an atheist.

• 2:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 2:28Karen Kilgariff?

  This isn't important, but I just thought it should be known.

• 2:31Georgia Hardstark?

  I wouldn't have guessed.

• 2:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Anyway, this former convent was in a very rural village in the Czech countryside. The village was so small that aside from the church, convent and cemetery, there was only a single restaurant and a grocery store. In the whole town. Village. While the village was beautiful, it was slightly spooky and isolating. Also, this was 2013 in the Czech countryside, so there was no Wi-Fi, but only a single dial-up computer in the main hall of that convent that we would take turns using to notify our loved ones that we were still living. After we settled in our rooms, one large room for the girls and one large room for the boys, both lined with twin beds. It's horror movie sex.

• 3:15Georgia Hardstark?

  What's that one? Midsummer. Reminds me of midsummer.

• 3:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yes. I tell the story of when me and Bridger went to see Midsummer and then I realized that I didn't bring my regular glasses. I only had my prescription sunglasses. So, in that scene that's super disturbing where the boyfriend goes in and there's the big ball of people having sex.

• 3:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Or she goes and catches him, whatever. Bridger looks over and I'm sitting there wearing sunglasses, watching the scene, kinda like.

• 3:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Too cool. Too cool for this.

• 3:44Karen Kilgariff?

  So cool. Just like, I just wanna see some details. Okay. After we settled in our rooms, one large room for the girls and one large room for the boys, both lined with twin beds, we were given a tour by the current priest. I'm only half-listening when we get back to the door to the convent and the priest is telling us where they hide the key for entry. He began to tell us that there is a small memorial stone next to the door for the former priest who worked, is that the right word? At this church for many years. I assumed he died of old age, but I was wrong. Apparently, only a few short years earlier, the former priest had awoken one cold and snowy night by someone banging on the door, begging for food and shelter. The priest went to open the door and after speaking to the man through the door,

• 4:29Karen Kilgariff?

  decided to open up and let the man inside. As he did, the man took an axe and beheaded the priest on the spot.

• 4:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 4:38Karen Kilgariff?

  I was now even more terrified and unsettled than I was before. I guess that was a collective feeling because we all did what college students would do. We basically drank the local restaurant out of all their alcohol. Between the 15 students and five professors, we racked up a bill of about 120 beers, 50 glasses of wine and 10 screwdrivers.

• 4:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Who's paying for this? Jesus.

• 5:01Karen Kilgariff?

  The Catholic Church.

• 5:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Nice.

• 5:02Karen Kilgariff?

  As we all stumbled back to the convent in small groups or pairs, we looked over our shoulders for the Axeman, the ghost of the priest or classmates hiding to scare us. What I remember from that night is a blur of people running up and down the hallway, two people possibly hooking up in the boys' room. A girl, I mean, please. What's hotter than being separated and in a convent? Like, forbidden, forbidden, forbidden.

• 5:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 5:27Karen Kilgariff?

  A girl who threw up so much that she lost her very expensive mouthguard.

• 5:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Gotta take your mouthguard off before you barf.

• 5:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Too drunk.

• 5:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Too drunk.

• 5:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, like, she was fine enough to put her mouthguard in. And then suddenly you get that, oh, no, everything's spinning.

• 5:48Karen Kilgariff?

  She was like in the drunk mode where she was like, I'm still doing my nightcap beauty routine. Toner, serums. Projectile vomiting.

• 5:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my god.

• 5:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay. She lost her very expensive mouthguard that protected her from grinding her teeth. One of my friends crying that she needed our other friend to take her contacts out because her eyes and her skin were burning from the nettle field she had rolled in.

• 6:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, fuck.

• 6:15Karen Kilgariff?

  And my other friend and I quietly pushing our twin beds together and falling asleep, holding hands so we would be protected from the Axeman ghost priest. While no one died or was haunted by the Axeman or ghost priest, we were no longer allowed to order alcohol on our school's tab for the remainder of our trip. This was understandable and also not a huge deal since a beer was about $1 US and water, which the school would cover, was $2 to $3 US. Thanks for the podcast, J She-Her.

• 6:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow, that's a good one.

• 6:47Karen Kilgariff?

  That was just like, just here's a cool experience I had once that was also scary and...

• 6:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, it's why we just keep asking for random stories because there's so many good ones out there that you wouldn't be like, yeah.

• 6:59Karen Kilgariff?

  And everybody's life, to some degree or another, has been touched by murder. It has been touched by the idea that a human being decided to turn around and end the life of another human being.

• 7:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Karen Kilgariff?

  And what that does to everybody else in the aftereffect.

• 7:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 7:14Karen Kilgariff?

  I just explained to you why we're doing this podcast.

• 7:17Georgia Hardstark?

  All right. Well, this one's called "My Dad Sent a Cult Leader to Jail." Hello, ladies. Let's dive right in. It's November of 1980 in Fruisberg, New York, and it says, pronounced exactly as it's spelled, Fruisberg. It's the first day of hunting season, and my dad, Ron, who is 18 years old at the time, and his stepdad, Harvey, are driving through the country to their normal hunting spot. As they crest a hill, they see a hunter standing by his car, holding his rifle pointed towards the ground. He's being confronted by another man, also holding a rifle, not quite pointed at him, but ready to be aimed, as he waves his other arm at him, obviously pissed off. Harvey, the stepdad, instantly recognizes the man as Calvin of Oak Knoll.

• 8:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, this is his real name. Calvin of Oak Knoll is a self-proclaimed religious leader and founder of the Religious Society of Families, which only ever had seven members, including his wife. Think naked gardening, tax evasion, and getting into tiffs with the government over planes flying through his airspace.

• 8:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 8:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Anyway, Harvey sees this.

• 8:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Wait, how far up does your airspace go if you own property?

• 8:27Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't imagine it does. I'd say 10 feet, 20 feet. What do you think?

• 8:33Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean.

• 8:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Let us know.

• 8:34Karen Kilgariff?

  What's, and also, what's, does airspace count when a plane can fly over it? Like, what's the, what's definition?

• 8:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, it's just the air and space.

• 8:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 8:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Above your house.

• 8:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but how high above the roof, that's the question.

• 8:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 8:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Aviators, let us know.

• 8:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Let us know.

• 8:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Anyway, Harvey sees this confrontation going down and says to my dad that they are getting the hell out of there because this is not going to end well. My dad and Harvey quickly turn down a road when they hear the sound of a gunshot. While neither of them witnessed the shooting, they both saw the hunter lying in the road and Calvin of Oak Knoll walking away very quickly, holding a rifle in each hand. My dad recalls making eye contact with Calvin and seeing nothing but pure crazy in his eyes. My dad and Harvey immediately drove to the nearest house and called 911. Calvin of Oak Knoll was confronted by two game wardens right after this happened, where he explained that he shot the victim because, quote, "He argued with me and you don't argue with a man with a gun." Yeah, but they both had guns.

• 9:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Right, but I mean, it's who's willing.

• 9:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. And because the victim, quote, "Had his gun pointed at my feet, I would have none of that, so I shot him." He also admitted later that he didn't know whether the victim's gun was loaded, and in reference to his own gun, he stated, quote, "This is a 30-30 rifle. I'm sure it does a good job." So obviously, the man had a few loose screws.

• 9:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, he's not even answering the question asked.

• 9:54Georgia Hardstark?

  No. State troopers were quickly called to the scene, and after giving their statements, my dad and Harvey were driven in the back of one of the trooper's vehicles close enough to the scene so that they could identify the shooter. Months later, my dad had to testify in preliminary hearing at a small courthouse in Friesburg. My dad recalls sitting in a small room upstairs, waiting to be called in to testify, when he heard, quote, "Bodies falling." Apparently, one of Calvin's followers had forced his way in with a gun and was trying to get to the witnesses.

• 10:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Holy shit.

• 10:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Luckily, he was stopped, or else I would probably not exist to write this story. Calvin of Oak Knoll was charged with murder in the second degree and sentenced to a minimum of 25 years to life in prison. He spent the remainder of his life in prison, where he died in August of 1999. The victim was Douglas Kelly. He was a 57-year-old husband and father. And while I could not find much about him, the murder victim, my dad recalls meeting the son after the hearing. He approached my dad and shook his hand, thanking him for putting the man who killed his father in jail. The son passed away in August of 2024, but was a loving husband, father, grandfather, and world-renowned powerlifter.

• 11:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 11:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Stay sexy and don't confront cult leaders with guns, Miranda G., she/her/hers.

• 11:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Miranda's like, her dad was front and center

• 11:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 11:14Karen Kilgariff?

  for his own hometown. I mean, that's horrifying.

• 11:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Absolutely.

• 11:21Georgia Hardstark?

  The holidays are coming, which means we'll all be spending more time away from home.

• 11:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Whether you're visiting family or doing something actually fun, you want to know your home is protected while you're away.

• 11:30Georgia Hardstark?

  That's why now is a good time to think about home security with SimpliSafe.

• 11:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Unlike traditional security systems that alert you after a break-in starts, SimpliSafe is designed to help stop intruders before they get inside. These days, you're worried about your house, you're out of town, and then something comes up and you get to look on your phone, and SimpliSafe is going to show you not only the video of like, "It's a raccoon at your front door", but also that they have staff that's sitting there, they already know. And if it was something different or worse, they would have already been on it.

• 12:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I really think that's invaluable peace of mind, that just like relying on your neighbors, paying attention is not going to give you. We've partnered with SimpliSafe to offer our listeners their biggest savings of the year, 70% off your new system with professional monitoring when you visit simplisafe.com/mfm.

• 12:17Karen Kilgariff?

  That's simplisafe.com/mfm, and when you order, write in "MFM" at checkout, and it tells them we sent you, and it really helps the show.

• 12:24Georgia Hardstark?

  SimpliSafe, ahead of crime, in real time. Goodbye.

• 12:28Karen Kilgariff?

  You know a favorite M-word? Magnesium.

• 12:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray.

• 12:33Karen Kilgariff?

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• 12:44Georgia Hardstark?

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• 12:55Karen Kilgariff?

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• 12:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Just shake it up and generously spritz onto the soles of your feet and massage until absorbed.

• 13:03Karen Kilgariff?

  I was kind of blown away the first time I used this spray, because I do have problems sleeping, and when there's something this simple, you just sprayed on your feet, and suddenly you're asleep, and the next morning you're like, "Wait, what happened? Did my problem just get solved?" Like, it actually is that easy.

• 13:18Georgia Hardstark?

  And your stinky feet now smell like lavender. Like, what more do you want?

• 13:21Karen Kilgariff?

  How dare you call my feet stinky?

• 13:24Georgia Hardstark?

  For wellness, you can feel fine. Dr. Teal's magnesium spray online or in your local bath aisle.

• 13:29Karen Kilgariff?

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• 14:10Karen Kilgariff?

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• 14:20Karen Kilgariff?

  All right. Here's my number two. The subject line is faking injury backfire stories. And then it says, hi, butts. I'm up. You know, that's what my dad calls us.

• 14:30Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 14:31Karen Kilgariff?

  You butts.

• 14:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Cute.

• 14:33Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm up with my toddler, a murder you know in the making, in the middle of the night for the billionth time. How do they do it, those parents? How do they do it?

• 14:41Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know.

• 14:43Karen Kilgariff?

  The amount of get out of my room I would scream if I was a parent. For the billionth time. And I just remembered this dumb thing I did when I was 13. That's so perfect.

• 14:52Georgia Hardstark?

  That's what we want.

• 14:54Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't know if this has ever been requested, and I'll try to keep it short, but I am a bit word vomity. Hey, we relate.

• 15:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Welcome.

• 15:01Karen Kilgariff?

  So I was 13 around 2005. I was a good enough kid, starting my emo phase, and then in parentheses, it's not a phase. I was okay in school, but so disorganized and never did my homework.

• 15:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Hi.

• 15:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Especially for classes I didn't like. Well, one such day came along, and my class is queued up outside my drama class, and my friend asked me if I'd done my maths homework.

• 15:23Georgia Hardstark?

  British.

• 15:24Karen Kilgariff?

  British. My maths homework for the next lesson. Obviously, I hadn't. So my probably undiagnosed ADHD brain set into action, thinking how I could get out of the consequences and probably detention. This is how I spent every day of high school.

• 15:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Just like scheming, plotting and scheming.

• 15:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Just the amount of work I would have to do to get out of the consequences of the little work it would have taken to just do homework.

• 15:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 15:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Sat in drama class, British, Britishism. Sat in drama class, I turned to my friend and just casually mentioned that I could no longer see through my right eye. What? Yeah, it's just gone black. I say as nonchalant as possible. My friend got up and discreetly informed my teacher who sent me straight to the school nurse. I think everyone involved was mildly freaking out, especially as from a now adult perspective, I imagine that they all thought it was some massive brain injury or something.

• 16:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God. You can't fake blindness. Partial blindness.

• 16:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, don't tell that to eight and 10-year-old Lauren Karen Kilgariff. That's, that's all. I told you that story a thousand times, walking around Mervyn's because we were copying Mary from Little House on the Prairie. She went blind, so my sister was pretending to guide me.

• 16:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 16:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Stare up at the ceiling, kind of smiling. I thought that's what it looked like. Anyhow.

• 16:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Terrible.

• 16:46Karen Kilgariff?

  No one told us. Okay, so the school nurse called my mom, who couldn't come to get me, so called my dad, who picked me up and threw 500 questions in my directions about the loss of vision. I did my best to just say, it happened quickly. No, I can't see anything, just the right eye, it's just black. At my dad's house, my stepmom asked me all the same questions and I answered the same answers. Smart. A and E were called, so I think that's 911, like ambulance. I needed to immediately go to hospital. Mom picked me up from my dad's and drove me to, oh, that's something in emergency.

• 17:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 17:23Karen Kilgariff?

  It's their.

• 17:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Ambulance in emergency?

• 17:25Karen Kilgariff?

  It's their emergency room, I believe. God, we're smart. With the same 500 questions with the same answers.

• 17:30Georgia Hardstark?

  No, you're taking it too far.

• 17:32Karen Kilgariff?

  On the way, right? On the way to A and E, I realized that this was potentially more serious than I'd realized.

• 17:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 17:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Waiting to see some kind of specialist eye doctor, I exclaimed to mom that, it seems to be grayish now, I can roughly make shapes out. After a full eye exam, the doctors obviously couldn't find anything wrong with me, but sternly prepared me for what to do if it happened again. I'd like to point out that I never dramatized it even a little bit, so how it got this far. Remains a mystery.

• 18:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Because you, because it could have been a brain injury.

• 18:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, that's right.

• 18:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 18:05Karen Kilgariff?

  A brain, a long awaited brain tumor sitting there.

• 18:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 18:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Any number of a fucking thirteen year old stroke, a rare, rare junior high stroke.

• 18:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Like a, a problem that that symptom, like a huge problem that the small symptom is showing.

• 18:19Karen Kilgariff?

  That you randomly made up.

• 18:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, that you're not freaking out about.

• 18:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God. And, uh, just to this day, this person's like, I mean, I don't know what they were like. It's like, I didn't make a big deal. Why did they? They have to make a big deal because you picked the thing where it's like, you didn't pick your shoulder.

• 18:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, my shoulder hurts. It would have worked.

• 18:35Karen Kilgariff?

  The organ closest to my brain isn't working.

• 18:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 18:39Karen Kilgariff?

  All right. We don't want to yell at you, but Jesus fucking Christ.

• 18:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 18:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay. Oh, they say, sorry, the end of that is, so how it got this far remains a mystery. Unless that's a sign of a tumor I don't know about. That's literally what it is.

• 18:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 18:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Mom didn't talk to me on the way home and we never brought it up again.

• 18:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Huh.

• 18:55Karen Kilgariff?

  I still forgot or deliberately didn't do homework, but instead I just went to detention. Luckily, none of my family listen to this, except for when I make my partner listen to all the stories I've already told him. Thanks to all the NHS staff, I wasted time.

• 19:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Thanks to all the NHS staff I wasted time for that day. They didn't deserve my bullshit. Thanks for whoever reads this, even if it doesn't end up on the pod. That's nice.

• 19:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Stay sexy and I guess don't fake a possible brain injury to get out of homework. Love to you all. Becky.

• 19:28Georgia Hardstark?

  That's so good.

• 19:29Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so funny.

• 19:30Georgia Hardstark?

  It's exactly what we want.

• 19:32Karen Kilgariff?

  It's exactly who we are. The, I know an opposite story, which is Bradford, who works in our legal department here at Exactly Right. I worked with him at Neil and generous talk show for five years. And one day he had, he was blind in one eye.

• 19:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 19:48Karen Kilgariff?

  In one eye and had been since he was a teenager.

• 19:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 19:51Karen Kilgariff?

  And one day I walked into his office to get something from him and he goes, oh, hold on, hold on. I can see through my other eye right now.

• 19:57Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 19:58Karen Kilgariff?

  And for like, a couple hours that day, I think it was like for the afternoon, he had his vision back and then it went away again. Yep.

• 20:07Georgia Hardstark?

  It's psychological then. Sorry Bradford.

• 20:09Karen Kilgariff?

  We're gonna have to get him on the pod to have him explain it all. Isn't that crazy?

• 20:12Georgia Hardstark?

  That's so crazy.

• 20:13Karen Kilgariff?

  I know. And I was there for it. It was really exciting.

• 20:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Maybe you're the reason. You're like an angel walked in the room.

• 20:18Karen Kilgariff?

  It's finally the proof.

• 20:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Your beauty was so beautiful. It like cut through blindness.

• 20:24Karen Kilgariff?

  It cut through producing a daily fucking talk show that was killing us all inside.

• 20:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, his eye was like, you don't want to be here. And went black again.

• 20:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Bye. This is awful.

• 20:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Just use one. Okay. Speaking of, here's a one called laughing at inappropriate times. Hi, what is up my guys? Seven year listener, multiple times writer, I think. Honestly, they might be sitting in my draft still. Well, I'm just gonna jump right in. I'm not sure if you guys are asked for a story of laughing at times when you most definitely shouldn't, but I'm gonna tell you my story.

• 20:57Karen Kilgariff?

  We must have.

• 20:58Georgia Hardstark?

  We want it. We need it.

• 20:59Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, hell yeah.

• 21:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Hell yeah. Two years ago, my best friend's mom sadly passed away. Me and my boyfriend attended both the funeral and the wake the day prior, and I was definitely crying a lot already, but for different reasons. The day of the actual funeral, we were waiting for the service to begin, when the funeral director, a tall, maybe 70-ish year old man, started to walk down the center aisle of people and call to our attention. He started saying something along the lines of, alright everyone, we're gonna begin shortly if you could just, and then proceeded to trip and fall like a whole dang tree being cut down in the forest. I'm not lying when I say he was stiff as a board and he, all caps, face planted.

• 21:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 21:41Georgia Hardstark?

  So naturally, everyone's reaction was to gasp, the most dramatic gasp that's ever been gasped, and absolute silence followed. Then there's me, my boyfriend, and the girl sitting next to us, absolutely cracking the fuck up.

• 21:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 21:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. A priest eating it.

• 21:57Karen Kilgariff?

  A priest eating it, and it sounds like, like going over like a redwood tree.

• 22:03Georgia Hardstark?

  We were trying so hard to hold it in. And when we looked to my best friend, who was at her mother's funeral and saw she was also trying not to laugh and was standing in the front of the room with her sister, having the same reaction as us, we lost it.

• 22:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 22:16Georgia Hardstark?

  He was okay and he stood up and carried on like nothing happened, but that didn't stop me and my boyfriend from having tears streaming down our faces the entire service. Both from being sad and also from picturing this dude fall over like a log. I actually had to ask my boyfriend to leave the room because it was so inappropriate and he would not stop and was choking from trying to hold it in, but it was the funniest, most movie-like fall in reaction I've ever seen and heard.

• 22:43Karen Kilgariff?

  You would already be laughing at the fall.

• 22:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 22:45Karen Kilgariff?

  And then the, the context.

• 22:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Makes it triple pressure.

• 22:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 22:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Now you're laughing.

• 22:50Georgia Hardstark?

  And then trying to hold it in so hard.

• 22:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. But then, then it goes wider than that.

• 22:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 22:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Where then you're kind of like, what are all these feelings I'm feeling? Like now it's, your brain just goes, oh, throw it all up there.

• 23:02Georgia Hardstark?

  I need this, I need this. It's been a while. Oh, my God. We still talk about it and it will make me laugh every time. I'm glad something like that happened and made probably the hardest day of my friend's life a little silly for a short period of time and that her family was able to laugh about it too. Just wanted to send in a quickie and I hope more people have stories like this. They want to share too. Anyways, bye. LMAO Cassie.

• 23:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Cassie.

• 23:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Cassie. Great topic.

• 23:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Great topic. I know I've over storied this episode already.

• 23:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 23:33Karen Kilgariff?

  But I do have a fast one.

• 23:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 23:34Karen Kilgariff?

  And she asked, Cassie asked, so I would like to answer.

• 23:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 23:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I would like to write in mine back to her.

• 23:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 23:39Karen Kilgariff?

  My Uncle Martin just died and he is the, my dad's oldest brother is the oldest brother of the family. He was a teacher at the fire college in San Francisco. So for a certain generation of San Francisco firemen, he's the one that taught them how to do it.

• 23:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 23:56Karen Kilgariff?

  And so a lot of people knew him. He's a great man, hilarious, lovely, and he kind of looked a little bit like the Wizard of Oz.

• 24:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, wow.

• 24:03Karen Kilgariff?

  So we'd always go, there were men in my town. And like, we'd always kind of do impressions of him, but he's a wonderful man and lived a great life, all great. His funeral was in this beautiful, very modern church where, you know, usually there's a crucifix, very, they all look relatively the same and they're pretty grim up at the front. But in this church, the, the Jesus wasn't hanging on the cross. It's as if the Jesus was trying to, they're trying to represent him rising up through, to heaven. So he's kind of like free and one arm is up and it's very art, like very artistic. And my Aunt Mary, who is a nun.

• 24:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Of like 65 years.

• 24:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Who's sitting next to me and it's very sad. Like it's the saddest point. This, my family is sick because this is what we do.

• 24:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Karen Kilgariff?

  This is what we live for. And she leans over to me and she goes, honey, do you think that Jesus is playing volleyball?

• 24:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Like it's about, like he's trying to hit us.

• 25:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Cause they're trying to like, it's like that, like he's rising up. And I'm like, you're a nun.

• 25:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 25:08Karen Kilgariff?

  You're a nun. That makes it 300 times funnier.

• 25:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God.

• 25:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, so good.

• 25:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Like he's, Jesus trying to spike. It's like those photos of like, when you're trying to hit, the little boy's hitting a baseball and Jesus is behind you. This is just a fucking.

• 25:20Karen Kilgariff?

  It's him by himself. He's like, Jesus is not helping you.

• 25:23Georgia Hardstark?

  I can do it my fucking self.

• 25:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Jesus is spiking on your life.

• 25:26Georgia Hardstark?

  For once, can Jesus have his own sport?

• 25:28Karen Kilgariff?

  He is the star of this team. Let him. Yeah.

• 25:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God. Amazing.

• 25:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Cassie, that's my hometown to your.

• 25:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Send them in everyone. Inappropriate crying. I mean, laughing. Inappropriate crying was funny too.

• 25:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, inappropriate crying's great.

• 25:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Laughing's fun too.

• 25:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Laughing's a real joy.

• 25:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. The holidays are coming, which means we'll all be spending more time away from home.

• 25:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Whether you're visiting family or doing something actually fun, you want to know your home is protected while you're away.

• 25:55Georgia Hardstark?

  That's why now is a good time to think about home security with Simply Safe.

• 25:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Unlike traditional security systems that alert you after a break in starts, Simply Safe is designed to help stop intruders before they get inside. These days, you're worried about your house, you're out of town, and then something comes up and you get to look on your phone and Simply Safe is going to show you not only the video of like, it's a raccoon at your front door, but also that they have staff that's sitting there. They already know. And if it was. Something different or worse, they would have already been on it.

• 26:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I really think that's invaluable peace of mind that just like relying on your neighbors, paying attention is not going to give you. We've partnered with SimpliSafe to offer our listeners their biggest savings of the year. 70% off your new system with professional monitoring when you visit simplisafe.com/mfm.

• 26:41Karen Kilgariff?

  That's simplisafe.com/mfm. And when you order, write in MFM at checkout and it tells them we sent you and it really helps the show.

• 26:49Georgia Hardstark?

  SimpliSafe, ahead of crime in real time.

• 26:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye. You know a favorite M-word? Magnesium.

• 26:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray.

• 26:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Made from a proprietary blend of topical minerals powered by pure Epsom salt and natural Dead Sea salt, it's designed to help you relax and get in the right state of mind for a good night's rest.

• 27:08Georgia Hardstark?

  If you need a reset after a crazy day, make Dr. Teal's magnesium spray part of your nighttime routine. It's an effortless way to get a boost of topical magnesium that can help you relax your body and mind before bedtime.

• 27:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Dr. Teal's magnesium spray comes in a lightweight, fast drying formula.

• 27:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Just shake it up and generously spritz onto the soles of your feet and massage until absorbed.

• 27:27Karen Kilgariff?

  I was kind of blown away the first time I used this spray because I do have problems sleeping. And when there's something this simple, you just spray it on your feet and suddenly you're asleep and the next morning you're like, wait, what happened? Did my problem just get solved? Like, it actually is that easy.

• 27:42Georgia Hardstark?

  And your stinky feet now smell like lavender. Like, what more do you want?

• 27:45Karen Kilgariff?

  How dare you call my feet stinky?

• 27:48Georgia Hardstark?

  For wellness, you can feel find Dr. Teal's magnesium spray online or in your local bath aisle.

• 27:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

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• 28:26Georgia Hardstark?

  I have one more. Do you have one more?

• 28:28Karen Kilgariff?

  I have one more.

• 28:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, then I have one more.

• 28:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Did I read that one, or did you?

• 28:32Georgia Hardstark?

  I think I did.

• 28:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, so it's my turn.

• 28:34Georgia Hardstark?

  I know it. For the second where I was like, okay.

• 28:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I have to stop the crosstalk. I just distract myself. Yes, this is my last one. Hello. Buried treasure story. Dear beautiful MFM queens.

• 28:47Georgia Hardstark?

  That's nice.

• 28:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you. First off, your podcast is the only one I listen to religiously. You have kept me company on my commute to work for an amusement, for an amusement park. Which, side note, never ride the zipper. Trust me on this one.

• 29:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, I wouldn't anyways, but I love confirmation.

• 29:05Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean.

• 29:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Hell, no.

• 29:06Karen Kilgariff?

  And everybody go back and watch the Nick Terry zipper, um, MFM animated, because I do tell a zipper story. Oh, that thing. Okay. And your voices have become my Monday to Thursday happy place. Or Monday and Thursday.

• 29:20Georgia Hardstark?

  There's a Wednesday episode now, too. Just saying.

• 29:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, let's get some more days of the week in there, please.

• 29:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Can we get some love for the rewind episodes, everyone?

• 29:27Karen Kilgariff?

  We need all of your time. Okay. It literally says, okay. I need to know, does this story make anyone else as unhinged as it makes me? Because I've been holding on to this frustration for years, and I feel like you two are the only ones who will understand. Also, since I know you love a good buried treasure tale, buckle up. So my husband is from France, and there's this family lore on his dad's side that they are direct descendants of Hector Berlioz. Yes, the famous composer. I should know because my dad is obsessed with classical music, and I'm sure he said it to me a thousand times.

• 30:01Georgia Hardstark?

  I've never heard of it.

• 30:02Karen Kilgariff?

  I bet you right now, if we played, if we could play his, and I bet we can because it's over 100 years old, but if we played like his most famous thing, you'd know it.

• 30:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, I know that. Yeah.

• 30:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Jam. His grandmother was the one who carried this story, but no one in the family ever seemed all that interested. Enter me, a person with multiple advanced degrees in classical music.

• 30:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey.

• 30:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Who immediately lost my damn mind upon hearing this. I mean, how cool is it that my husband, a composer himself, could be connected to one of the greats? But of course, there's drama. The connection is from an illegitimate child. Cue Victorian era pearl clutching. Apparently, Berlioz's son had an affair with a maid, and the result was a daughter, that there's documentation that Berlioz actually supported her financially. His granddaughter, I think my husband's great, great, great grandmother. Was sent to some kind of boarding house, sent her money and supposedly left her a violin.

• 30:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 30:57Karen Kilgariff?

  One of his violins. Painful side note, my husband's grandmother claimed she had the violin and she gave it not to my composer husband, but to a cousin who doesn't even play music.

• 31:10Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 31:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Fine. Whatever, family politics. But then she also had a mysterious box that she would never let anyone see.

• 31:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Ooh.

• 31:19Karen Kilgariff?

  When questioned, she'd just vaguely say that they could open it when she died.

• 31:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, I'm gonna have a mysterious box when I'm an old lady, for sure.

• 31:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Start it now.

• 31:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Starting it now, just full of cat's whiskers.

• 31:32Karen Kilgariff?

  She constantly teased the family about hidden knowledge, but never actually revealed what was inside. She was apparently pretty secretive and I guess everyone just respected that. Weirdly. Anyway, naturally, my brain went wild. Was it banknotes, letters, unfinished symphonies? Proof that my husband's family is the true heir to the Berlioz legacy. We were finally going to get answers. Except, one week before she died, she told my father-in-law not to open the box and instead bury it with her.

• 32:02Georgia Hardstark?

  No, absolutely not. Okay, Grandma, see you later. No, we'll definitely do that, Grandma.

• 32:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Sounds good.

• 32:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Sounds great.

• 32:08Karen Kilgariff?

  What do you want me to do, sign paper?

• 32:09Georgia Hardstark?

  I'll shake hands and goodbye.

• 32:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Shake hands with God.

• 32:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, good night.

• 32:14Karen Kilgariff?

  And this man whom I love dearly, even though I cringe at this life choice, followed her instructions to the letter. He didn't even crack the lid. He put the box in a coffin without ever looking inside. All caps, and he still has the key. I was gobsmacked. Who does this? Who buries what could be priceless historical documents? Without taking just a little peek?

• 32:38Georgia Hardstark?

  I bet he did and it was like old school pornography with his grandma in it. So he was like, okay, I gotta take this to my grave too. He had to have looked and he deserved it. One person, the person who was promised it, who has to bear with him, is allowed a peek.

• 32:51Karen Kilgariff?

  I think so.

• 32:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 32:52Karen Kilgariff?

  You're, you were the trusted heir to the mystery box.

• 32:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 32:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Look inside and then lie to whoever you need to lie to, to cover what the problem is. But what's the problem?

• 33:02Georgia Hardstark?

  No problem. She did.

• 33:03Karen Kilgariff?

  She did. And also, guess, what did she do? Have sex before marriage?

• 33:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 33:07Karen Kilgariff?

  So did 89% of every human being on earth. Like, what are you talking about?

• 33:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, God.

• 33:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, we're still going. The Burlioz Museum in France might want whatever was in that box, and yet here we are. Mystery forever sealed in the ground. This is driving me crazy. Do I casually write to them suggesting an exhumation? Maybe.

• 33:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 33:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Would my in-laws disown me? Almost certainly. I am sorry to have to share this story, and I hope it doesn't drive you as nuts as it does me. But am I crazy here or rightfully upset?

• 33:37Georgia Hardstark?

  We got your back. I mean. Correct.

• 33:39Karen Kilgariff?

  A thousand percent.

• 33:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Karen Kilgariff?

  And you knew we would.

• 33:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 33:42Karen Kilgariff?

  I will never know what was in that fucking box of secrets, and I will never be okay. Nor will any of us now.

• 33:48Georgia Hardstark?

  That's okay.

• 33:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Stay sexy and always look in the box before burying potential treasure. Melissa.

• 33:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 33:54Karen Kilgariff?

  And there's P.S.

• 33:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 33:56Karen Kilgariff?

  And it says, P.S. Why do you pronounce treasure like treasure? Did I miss an episode where this was explained? It haunts me.

• 34:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, it's you? What is it?

• 34:05Karen Kilgariff?

  It's me. It's me doing an impression of my friend Lydia Lewis, who used to do this baby talk voice, like, just kind of being funny.

• 34:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm pretty sure it's Lydia, where she would kind of, and she would, like, talk to her cats like that. Or she'd be like, me, me, me, me, me, and, yeah.

• 34:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Cat talk.

• 34:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Treasure. I think I ripped it off from her or my friend Alicia Gonzalez.

• 34:28Georgia Hardstark?

  I just always accepted it. I never asked its origin. I was just like, that sounds right.

• 34:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Sometimes it happens when, like, you're young and somebody does a funny thing, and then you can't say it a different way. Like, it feels almost like.

• 34:39Georgia Hardstark?

  You and diamonds are the same.

• 34:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Diamonds. That's me doing an impression of Natasha Leggero.

• 34:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, okay. All right, well. Okay, I have one left.

• 34:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 34:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. Hometown festivals, which we love to hear about.

• 34:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Always.

• 34:51Georgia Hardstark?

  This is a fucking good one. I live in Ontario, Oregon. Just starts like that. There's not much here besides weed, onions, and potatoes. Sounds like a great stew.

• 35:00Karen Kilgariff?

  That's like a nice winter's night.

• 35:03Georgia Hardstark?

  One of the biggest suppliers of jobs in town is the Orida Potato Plant.

• 35:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Hey.

• 35:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Famous. It was there in 1953 that instead of throwing the scraps of potatoes that weren't worthy enough to be french fries to the livestock, that one F. Griggs had an idea. He smashed all the extras together and created the Tater Tot.

• 35:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, F. What? Say his name again.

• 35:25Georgia Hardstark?

  F. Griggs.

• 35:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Just F. The initial F?

• 35:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Francis. I'm gonna go Francis. Frank.

• 35:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Frankenstein?

• 35:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, friends.

• 35:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Cause he mashed them. That's good. Yes, friends, the Tater Tot was invented in my hometown.

• 35:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 35:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Every year in September, we throw a Tater Tot Festival. We have live music, face painting, and of course, Tater Tots. Each vendor competes for the best tot. I know. Mark your calendar.

• 35:51Karen Kilgariff?

  For real, though?

• 35:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. It's still growing as a festival, but our town tries to do it big. The main street is shut down, and there's many vendors selling handmade trinkets. I'll save you each a tot when you come visit SSDGM Lindsay She-Her.

• 36:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Lindsay, this is like true breaking news.

• 36:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Tater Tot Festival.

• 36:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Tater Tot Festival in, was it Oregon?

• 36:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 36:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, that's easy.

• 36:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 36:15Karen Kilgariff?

  That's a two-hour flight.

• 36:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Chili cheese Tater Tots? Do you think those exist?

• 36:20Karen Kilgariff?

  They fucking must, right?

• 36:21Georgia Hardstark?

  They better, yeah.

• 36:22Karen Kilgariff?

  You mean like, uh, like chili cheese fries, but Tater Tot?

• 36:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 36:26Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, and also what else? You know they make some sort of weird Tater Tot dessert that you're like, why is this so delicious?

• 36:32Georgia Hardstark?

  With vanilla ice cream or something?

• 36:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, like magic shell on Tater Tots.

• 36:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, God, that's disgusting.

• 36:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey, tell us your story, whatever it is, at myfavoritemurder@gmail.

• 36:46Karen Kilgariff?

  This must be the longest mini-sode we've ever done. There's nothing mini about this one.

• 36:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you guys for listening so much.

• 36:52Karen Kilgariff?

  We appreciate you. Stay sexy.

• 36:54Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 36:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 37:06Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been an Exactly Right Production.

• 37:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Our senior producer is Alejandra Keck.

• 37:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

• 37:13Georgia Hardstark?

  This episode was mixed by Leana Scolacci.

• 37:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Email your hometowns to [email protected].

• 37:18Georgia Hardstark?

  And follow the show on Instagram and Facebook at MyFavoriteMurder.

• 37:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 37:28Speaker 03

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