Putin Doesn’t Want a Ceasefire | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

Today we talk about the ongoing ceasefire talks between russia and ukraine, and how putin side stepped the ceasefire proposal made by the us and ukraine to present his own. We also talk about the gaza ceasefire, the isis leader who was killed and protests at universities. New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.soci Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:00Speaker 03

  Lieutenant General Kellogg, I mean, he, I don't think we should be taking any directions from Russia on who we're going to send to this. He has extraordinarily long history in national security, obviously a retired three-star, but also vice president's national security advisor in the first Trump administration. So he is incredibly knowledgeable, I think fully respected by the Ukrainians, which matters. And, you know, the fact that he might be a bit pro-Ukrainian, okay.

• 1:34Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, exactly. How is that a big deal? Right?

• 1:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, you remember at one time, the national security advisor, our national security advisor, was, his biggest criticism is we weren't giving Ukraine enough, fast enough.

• 1:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  Right? So I think the history of most of our people in national security, and Rubio as well, Secretary Rubio, they're all pro-Ukrainian. I mean, it's our partner, you know, so, and as soon as we start bowing to their demands, then all they're going to do is make demands.

• 2:07Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  You know, it's, you know, we should just not even acknowledge it. It's like, yeah, we're going to send our team. This is our team. We don't need, we didn't tell you to send.

• 2:32Speaker 04

  Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes On. Mick Mulroy, of course, myself, Dimitri. Thank God Mick's here because I couldn't do this by myself.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  Andy Milburn, Jason Lyons are... They're here. We love them and we miss them. Lockhook in today. Over the last, you know, week or so, there's been quite a bunch of news. First and foremost, what's going on with Ukraine? The US and Ukrainians met in Saudi Arabia a few days ago, came up with a ceasefire plan for 30 days. And it seems like the Russians have rejected and kind of slipped in their own

• 3:13Speaker 04

  ceasefire deal, or what looks like a ceasefire deal. Not exactly something that is shocking to most people that they wouldn't go for it. Mick, what are you thinking? Also, a big point in that was Kellogg got kind of put on the back burner, I guess. Russians didn't like him being involved. So just... That was just my...

• 3:37Speaker 03

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• 4:26Speaker 04

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• 4:27Speaker 03

  9%, remember, they're only 9% of the populace.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say 40%.

• 4:33Speaker 03

  Fifty-eight percent. Oh, wow. Almost sixty percent. And I think if they updated it, I think it would be over sixty percent. You guys can check me out, but that's your Irish propaganda for today. Uh, I got a lot of it. Um, so, um, to your question on Ukraine, obviously several big things, I think it's important to point out, it's good that we are now what appears to be on the same sheet with Ukraine. Need to recognize that. It was a little messy getting there, but you know, it is what it is. And i- this is a US-proposed ceasefire. So I think that is what we need the US to focus on is that now this is the US wanting a ceasefire.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  And there has to be not just, um, you know, everybody has to compromise, I suppose, in any negotiation, but there needs to be consequences uh, to Russia if they don't agree to the ceasefire. And there's reports now, and although it's not like it's a secret, but that there's an FSB report apparently that's been reported that their plan is to essentially continue to fight. They completely unrealistic request of the ceasefire and basically play us. They think they're, you know, in the Kursk region, they're taking back territory. Apparently they're mobilizing to go on the Sumy region of Ukraine.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  They think that they're partly because of the disruption in aid and intelligence, but partly just because this is a war of attrition and Russia has four times the amount of troops that Ukraine has. So the longer this goes on, the more territory they'll take. Uh, I think that's a big concern is that they don't see any value from a military perspective of a ceasefire right now because they're, they believe they're on the front foot. So I think the way the US and Europe as supporters of Ukraine should start looking is what can we do to make that turn? Right? Um, to give Ukraine an advantage that can start potentially taking territory back from Russia

• 6:44Speaker 03

  or whole territory they currently have. And that rhymes with increased security assistance.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Right? Yeah. That's what they need to do and we need to do. And we don't have to have a press conference about it. We don't have to, you know, leak our deliberations on it. We just need to do it, I think. And that is what Russia will understand that we're doing that. And so not just turn back on what we had, but actually increase it. And potentially, if that doesn't work to get them into the ceasefire negotiations, then the releasing of Russian assets that are frozen in Europe, 325 billion is my understanding. That's another point. Moving, I mean, obviously, Europe has been awoken, which is a good thing. And I think President Trump would take some credit for that. They are building out their military.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  They're spending more on their own national offense than they have potentially some of these countries ever. So that's going to keep increasing, which Russia doesn't want to see. And that's too bad, you know, they shouldn't be invading countries in Europe. They didn't want to see that. So I think that's what the US needs to do to really leverage our, and then sanctions, of course, sanctions can be increased, you know, if we're talking some economic stuff. And, and you know what? And when, when Russia says we don't like European forces to be there after a ceasefire, we need to hold the line on that because that is what's, that's the security guarantee. Sure. For, for Ukraine, right? That's it.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  If not, then it's, if, if Russia doesn't want them there, then that's basically telegraphing to us that they intend to yet again rate the ceasefire. Yeah. Right? Yeah. That's why they don't want them there. Because why would it matter if they, if they would, their fighting was stopped? So in Europe, Europe doesn't need to have permission from Russia to send European forces to, to European countries. So I think we need to hold the line on that. The last part that I, to your question, the, I sent to this. He has extraordinarily long history and, and national security. Obviously a tarred three star, but also Vice President's National Security Advisor in the first Trump administration. So he is incredibly knowledgeable.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  I think fully respected by the Ukrainians, which matters.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  And you know, the fact that he might be a bit pro Ukrainian. Okay.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, exactly. How is that a big deal? Right?

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, you remember at one time, the national security advisor, our national security advisor was his biggest criticism is we weren't given Ukraine enough, fast enough.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 03

  Right? So I think the history of most of our people in national security and Rubio as well, Senator Rubio, they're all pro Ukrainian. I mean, it's our partner, you know, so and as soon as we start bowing to their demands, then all they're going to do is make demands.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Right? Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  You know, it's, it's, you know, we should just not even acknowledge it's like, yeah, we're going to send our team. This is our team. We don't need, we didn't tell you to send. And it's just past it. And yes, Europe, Europe is going to send in peacekeepers if you're not for that.

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• 11:02Speaker 03

  That just tells us you're essentially already planning to violate the whatever agreement we could get to.

• 11:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was interesting. I saw one of the clips from like the Russian state TV or whatever, where it's like, it's like their nightly show where they're like, you know, hardcore propagandists. And they're like, this is a mistake because Europe's arming up, right? Like Europe's going to start stepping up on their own, you know, Poland. Is not, I feel like is not to be fucked with. Like they're down to. Bump their military spending, maybe go nuclear, right, or at least uh kick that, kick the tires on that. Um, which I can't say I blame them really. If if I'm if I'm Poland, like, what's the one thing that'll keep people off your back? And that's unfortunately, nuclear weapons, right? Like that'll completely of, you know, more than likely avoid a an invasion.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Well, if they don't consider the US to be um a secure ally and they know. I mean, I don't know how many nukes you need, but they are vastly outnumbered by the Soviets, like five thousand to five hundred.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  And all the countries of my knowledge are in the, without the US have nuclear weapons, UK and France.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  So France is talking about expanding their umbrella and potentially put in, I think Poland, to your point, they requested nukes in their territory. But they're also probably gonna in Germany, I mean,

• 12:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  there's gonna be countries that acquire their own and they're probably, there'll probably be a nuclear arm trace here. I mean, they might want to be on par with the, you know, the Russian threat. So they don't feel, for whatever reason, don't feel they can rely on us. So that means they're gonna literally five thousand additional nuclear weapons.

• 12:44Speaker 04

  I mean, listen, if you're Germany or Poland, right? Like, sure, it'd be great if uh France extended out the nuclear umbrella, maybe place some nukes in their in their country. But who's got command and control of those, right? So if I'm a country like Poland, it's more like, if I want to guarantee, completely guarantee my security, it's like I want my own arsenal, even if it's a deterring one, whatever, a couple hundred, you know, a hundred fifty nukes or whatever it is, you know?

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  And it won't be difficult for these countries to develop it. I mean, these are some of the most technologically sophisticated countries on the planet. It wasn't, it wasn't a lack of either funds or knowledge. It was just a belief that, you know, collectively.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  You know, especially with the US, we had them covered when it came to nuclear weapon. And that's just, they don't believe that anymore. And they're, and it's not just nukes. They're talking, I mean, Poland's doubling the size of their military, doubling.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  Um, Germany's spending, I think it was 500 billion next year. They're completely, and they're completely revamping their industrial, military industrial base. They don't want to be relying on the US anymore. So they're gonna, you can see every, you know, every day, there's another cancellation of F-35s.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  I saw that. I think, was it Portugal that canceled one?

• 14:03Speaker 03

  Portugal and Canada, not European country.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  Canada just canceled their F-35. So it's gonna have a pretty big consequences to, you know, we promote US uh, defense interests around the world, we, US government.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Uh, partly because, you know, it's a US, it's US jobs, but also because it's in our own interest, national security interest to have our partners compatible with us using our equipment, right?

• 14:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  But for reasons, both because of their concern about our um, you know, alliance with NATO and our, but also some of the things they saw happening in Ukraine when they started shutting down stuff. That's gonna have a big effect on the future of US dominance in this, this area.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Um, one more thing about that. I've seen a couple of places over the last week or so where the reason why the US is pulling away from Europe and the, and Ukraine specifically and NATO is because they're doing a hard pivot to the Pacific, to China. And I'm kind of having a hard time really like squaring that circle a little bit. Cause like, there's no way we're not able to do both. Right? Where we, where our main focus obviously is gonna be on China. They're the next, you know, strongest economy and military. Um, and a Taiwan issue, but we can't do both. I mean.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  Exactly. That's like the biggest uh, false argument in DC. It's always like an either or, right? Like, we can't, there's, there's a war, a raging war in the Middle East, there's a raging war in Europe, and we're gonna say that we're only gonna focus on the Indo-Pacific. I mean, that would be, uh, you know. Not in our interest, put it politely. And the more we show a weakness when it comes to NATO, which is, I mean, there's certainly some complaints with our partners in the past. But it is a, it is the best military alliance in history. I mean, I won the Cold War and it, you know, it actually activated to help us after nine eleven. If we show a weakness in that, what do you think China's gonna think? Yeah.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  You know, what about our partners in the Indo-Pacific? You know, we have treaty allies out there, Japan, for example, South Korea. Um, I think Philippines, it just, it sends the wrong message. I mean, a strong NATO, especially at the end of this, is gonna be even stronger. Sure. Because we have energized the Europeans and I do think that's a good thing. That would make it less likely, in my opinion, that China would look to do anything toward Taiwan, whether it was a blockade or a, you know, an actual invasion.

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• 18:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I agree with you. And like, if we show that we're like staunch allies with our actual allies and we're willing to like invest and uh, whether it's tech or anything else, everything from intelligence to hardware. Yeah, China's gonna balk at a full-scale invasion of Taiwan. It just is. Like, right now, they see what's going on. If I'm China, I'm like, maybe we can get it going by 2027. Cause I have a feeling that the US won't respond. And if they do, it might be economically, but it won't be kinetically.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  Right. And we're not, and we're, we haven't been clear. I mean, there's this thing called strategic ambiguity when it comes to Taiwan. We don't really tell them what we're gonna do. We have a law that requires us to support it, but not direct military. You know, I, I think you could make the argument, we should be strategically clear and say we are gonna, or why not? We can still make the decision at the time. And it will be a difficult decision to try to convince Americans that, you know, that we're gonna go to war with China to save Taiwan. I think that would be tough. But uh, yeah, but one of the ways to prevent it from even being an issue for us to have to decide is to show

• 19:39Speaker 03

  great strength in, in NATO and to build up our partnerships and alliances in, to have some version of an Indo-Pacific NATO.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Right? I, I think we could, we could do that. And it would be to our benefit because oftentimes alliances, military alliances lead to trade uh, and economic benefits. I mean, it's tied completely, which is another reason why we got, you know.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  I guess be a little concerned about who we're picking fights with economically.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  Also, another bit I saw about like, uh, kind of like our allies moving away from uh, American hardware. Um, I mean, this has been a long back and forth with Turkey, like Turkey was gonna get the F-35, but they bought that S-400 and we didn't, we kicked them, we stopped that purchase. But Turkey hit up the UK Ministry of Defense about purchasing 40 Euro fighters. Typhoons, you know, so.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Also, I understand why they're a little apprehensive of the rest of Europe. Like, there was talk about a F-35 kill switch and stuff like that, where it's like, yeah, we, to make sure we're secure, we need to make, you know, we need to be able to trust our allies. Historical allies, right? Eighty, ninety year allies.

• 20:58Speaker 04

  It just, yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's something they have to consider. We certainly would. I mean, allies switch too. I mean, one of our closest allies now is Japan. Right?

• 21:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  So, I mean, you don't know. I mean, I would hope that we maintain our allies and they don't become adversaries. But from any country's perspective, you want to have ultimate control of your strategic weapon systems. At all your weapon systems, but certainly the big ones.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  I'm trying, anything else on this Ukraine ceasefire and the, you know, what happens next? Maybe a little bit of like, uh, some speculation at least.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  Well, I think, I think the way to force Russia, um, to really come to the table and into an agreement is to make it in their advantage, it for their advantage, right? In the sense that we have to start taking stronger measures. We have to start giving Ukraine, uh, as many said in the last administration, the ability to win, not just survive.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  And that means leaving the restrictions or cutting the restrictions on our weapon systems and how far they can fight into, or be used into Russia and just start giving them more material, period. That's, and you know, again, you don't have to rub it in anybody's face. It doesn't serve us a purpose to do that. Just do it. And then, you know, as they start realizing they're not going to win, it comes to a complete standstill. Then they'll come to the table. And then when they do, we need to just ignore the ridiculous over the top. Cause that's how they do. Everything is maximized on theirs. They'll ask for maximum amounts of concessions. And they'll try to turn us against each other. So we just need to know that's the playbook and just not fall into it.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  They've been doing a decent job of it. I'm not going to lie to you over the last month or so.

• 22:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, they think right now everything's going in the direction, their direction, which I don't think they're ready to come to the table.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Also, does Russia really think that Ukraine, even if they did collapse and they were able to take up more and more territory, that like the Ukrainian people, that wouldn't be like the craziest insurgency in the like ever?

• 23:11Speaker 03

  And that last part again, it cut off.

• 23:13Speaker 04

  So if, if like, let's say, let's say US backed up and, and Russia really made some huge gains where they were able to maybe even get to Kiev again. Right? It's like the early days in the war. You don't like, they're not thinking of like the insane insurgency that would happen afterwards. And what would like, what that would be like to be fighting street to street urban warfare?

• 23:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, sorry. They're coming to clean my room.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  No, don't worry.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I mean, the, the idea, I mean, let's look how tenacious the Ukrainians have been so far, right? So we, most analysts like myself, well, you know, they're like three days, three weeks, three days, and you know, in February 22nd, when they crossed the line. Now we're, we're over three years, we're in our fourth year. And they've taken 20% of the train and now they're trying to take back terrain that was the. That the Ukrainians actually took in Russia. So let's, let's not be so quick to lose face, not that you are, but and what Ukrainians can do. They've proven they can fight, yeah, be, you know, this is a David Goliath type scenario, literally.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  And the idea that you could have a long-term occupation in Ukraine without like the worst. To your point insurgency ever. They got to realize that this is not going to happen and it could be a point where Europeans actually go in without a ceasefire. I mean, that's a plausible scenario. Right?

• 24:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  Um, and just say, okay, we're going to man line here and you're not going any further. And if you do, you're going to be fighting. You know, European forces that are NATO and I, I mean, whether that be a NATO. Article five situation, I don't know. But it certainly would change the discussion from the. From the Russian perspective.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um.

• 25:12Speaker 04

  Gosh, ah, man, um, all right, swinging over, uh, segue into, uh. Another sunny part of the world, Gaza and the, uh, extension of phase one. Uh, US Israeli citizen is being released and there, I think they're also releasing a couple of bodies as well. Um.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  And all the other big one that like stood out for sure was like, there was talk of like relocating Palestinians in African countries. I think Somalia being one Sudan, another one. Um, where places where like, I don't know if they, uh, influx of refugees is exactly the best thing for countries like that right now. Um, yeah. What, what are you tracking with that?

• 25:57Speaker 03

  So the, the, the extension of the first phase seems to be continuing. Um, at least as far as the pause in the fighting. But there does seem to be, uh. Uh. Not all the parts, right? So the other parts to the first phase was increased humanitarian assistance. Which is now been essentially cut off. Uh, to a population that. Um, you know, we, we do some, uh, humanitarian work there. So we tend to know the statistics, but it's, it's essentially a hundred percent. It's like 97% of all Palestinians are, um.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  You know, at risk of starvation. Right? So i- if you cut off the supplies, eventually the stockpiles, to the extent there was much, are gonna run out and they cut off electricity to most of Gaza, which not only, of course, affects the ability of hospitals to be hospitals, but also um essentially to make clean water. So you need power for the desalination plants. So they're down to no food coming in and not being able to make clean water, which is super critical to any population. So I think the the request on the part of the Israelis right now is

• 27:20Speaker 03

  and you know, there's a lot of legalities with cutting off humanitarian assistance to a civilian population. So you can't use use that as a means of warfare, so to speak.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  Exactly that. So they, if they can extend it where the hostages are still coming out uh for the exchange of Palestinians and humanitarian assistance is better for everybody. So hopefully Hamas does that. They claim to care about the Palestinian people in Gaza. I think there's little evidence to support that they do. But this would be like the basic level, right? Do you Sure. want to keep releasing hostages for Palestinian prisoners to be released and for

• 28:04Speaker 03

  humanitarian assistance to go back to high levels? I think that this should happen. And your other point, yes, there's reports that the US has gone to I think it was Somalia, Sudan, and Somali land, which is part of Somalia, but would like to be its own country, and asked about whether they would take Palestinians. I can't, I still think it seems to be completely impractical. I mean, how do you forcibly relocate two million people that don't want to? Of course, many of them are armed. Um, so I mean, think about how difficult of a military problem that would be.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Uh, and it would be obviously extraordinarily bloody. And of course, the legalities of forcibly relocating a population from their own land and forcing them into a country. Even if one of those countries agreed, like we already know Egypt and Jordan said, no how, no way, it's not gonna happen. Um, I don't know, obviously, at least from the reports I read, it didn't say anything about, you know, whether they replied positively to that. Um, but if they did, to your other point, D, I mean, the, somebody would have to pay for all this. I mean, there, these are countries that like Sudan's actually, if there's one place worse than Sudan, I mean, than Gaza right now, when it comes to humanitarian crisis, it's Sudan.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Right? So taking two million people into a country that's having a very, because we've worked there as well, a very difficult time feeding its own population would be. How that would work, but I guess somebody would have to pay the bill, I suppose. And, and Somalia, they're expecting a drought. Just met with the Somalis the other day about our, the stuff we do, and they are expecting a pretty substantial drought with six million people. Who would be at risk to food insecurity. So these are two countries that, you know, not only couldn't just absorb it, they can't necessarily deal with their own.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Mike, I got a question, right? Cause you've been in these rooms, um, where strategy is talked about. Um, this idea of like forcibly moving two million people to another country. Are they just sitting in a room with a whiteboard and they're like, guys, give me any ideas, any ideas, and let's put it out there and try it? Because that's fucking insane.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's, you know, when, when the policy process, which I don't know if it's, I assume it's still being the same. You have like the deputies, which is

• 30:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Not, not that, I mean, you have different levels, put it that way. Um, the PCB, the policy coordination.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  But it starts at a lower level where people get cooking and they talk about things and like recommend it to the next level. I can't see this being vetted months and months where they're like, you know what? This is a good idea. Let's kick it up to the deputy assistant, then the assistant, then the whatever. You know what I mean? Like I, and then we'll be in the NSC with the principals all talking about it. Like I cannot imagine that's how it went down.

• 31:13Speaker 03

  Right. But just, yeah, it's called the PCC, I think, the Policy uh, Coordination Committee. And I was on that for the Pentagon. Right. And so the reason why I break it up is that if everybody agrees on that, it doesn't necessarily have to go up, you know, doesn't have to go to deputies or the principals or the fullnessy. If everybody agrees.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  Uh, and ob- obviously, most cases, you've already coordinated with your particular secretary. So you're not just, you know, free will in it. But um, from the DOD perspective, we are always uh, with uniform, usually with our uniformed counterpart at the Joint Snap. Right? So why, now they don't propose policy, but they are there to, to, to keep people in the realm of reality.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  Sure, yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Like, you know, somebody comes up with a great idea to uh, you know, move two million people that don't want to be moved. Then the military is going to be asked, like, tell us how this would happen, if it could happen, what would be the concerns we'd have and etc.

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• 33:15Speaker 03

  The agency, the CIA, also plays a similar role in that they will, they're there to provide input on the soundness of a policy direction, not to say whether we should do it, but just the consequences, pros and cons, if you will, of doing it or not doing it.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  So that, there is, there is healthy doses of reality even to people who might not know, you know, what they're asking for. They get that injection with, and that's one of the key reasons we have uniformed military and the intelligence services in these policy committee meetings. Because, oh, and the intel community obviously sets the facts. So we're all supposed to be operating on the same facts.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank God somebody leaked it, I guess, to show everybody how stupid it is of an idea to even like bring up in any kind of meeting. And at least it got to like the news.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Kind of dovetailing a little bit towards what's happening a little bit here at home in terms of like the revocation of visas for some of the protest students that are protesting Columbia and different universities.

• 34:37Speaker 04

  The kid, his name was Khalil. What was it? I don't remember his last name, sorry. He got arrested, sent to an ICE detention center in Louisiana. As far as I know, they were trying to charge him for stuff in Louisiana rather than in New York where Columbia University is and where he was detained.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  His attorneys, it's a bit, it's a shit show. The guy's a green, he has a green card, he's a permanent resident. He has a wife, a wife that, or a girlfriend or fiance that's eight months pregnant, who is a citizen. And In America, you should be able to fucking protest something you don't like. That's where I stand. I mean, I don't know what you're thinking, Mick.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  So.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Protest nonviolently, nonviolently.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. Yeah. So my understanding is that every person in the country, not just citizens, have rights under the First Amendment. I think it's Bridges case. Well, a lot of time ago, I was actually a lawyer, so not that that gives me any special. I usually don't tell people that because then I just get lawyer jobs, but

• 35:45Speaker 03

  I I believe that is the case. Now, there's certain exceptions. There's certain exceptions even for citizens, right? You you can't promote violence.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Like it's speech. But I ain't free, right? You can't sit there and say you you could try to tell people they should go and.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Run and run into a theater, yell fire, that kind of.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's plenty of, since plenty of exceptions. Uh, we're not plenty, but there there is exceptions. And I think inside the immigration uh, laws that cover this, uh, what the administration is saying is that if it harms US foreign relations, that you can revoke visas. So, and I don't know what this young man did. So I'm not, I'm not. Like if he is just against the Israeli operation in Gaza.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  That obviously any American should be able to be for it or against it. Sure. It shouldn't just. If not, then even with people that are here on visas. You know, the you have to agree with the current administration, right?

• 36:54Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  If not, you could, under that theory, you could just be launched. The question is whether he was promoting Hamas. Hamas is a has is a US, you EU, UN designated terrorist organization who proved that it is in space on October seven. So I don't know if he was he promoting uh, Hamas, which to me would be promoting, uh, obviously a terrorist organization by the facts. Or was he just in disagreement with the US policy on, you know, of the two-state solution, et cetera. If it's if it's promoting Hamas, and I could see extending to what level.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Anybody, uh, you know, not being able to do that, but certainly somebody who's a visitor. If it's just a political question, then we're going down a, as they say in the law, slippery slope.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  Of, you know, you disagree with me, so I'm gonna boot you out of the country.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  That's gonna be highly subjective if that's allowed and it's not actual promotion of a terrorist ideology.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, um, it's a good question. I mean, what constitutes promotion of, of a terrorist organization, right? Like, he's not, I mean, if he's raising money and sending it to Hamas, things of that nature, like, I understand why, like, you, you, you can't fucking do that. And there should be consequences to that. I mean, if he's organizing a anti-Israel protest in Columbia University, he's one, I think he's one of the organizers of it, right?

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  Um, and whatever their chance might be, outside of death to America or death to Israel, if it's like a lawful protest.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  I'm really having a hard time wrapping my mind around like being able to snatch him and toss him, even if he's not an actual US citizen, and is a permanent resident with a green card.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Right. And there, there is a provision that allows the Secretary of State to do that. So I guess the legality might be there, but the question is, we start down that road, then it's gonna literally, people that are in our country, uh, at our permission, are now expected to be, everything they say is, has to be consistent with the current administration. I mean, that's, that's not American.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  I mean, we all, um, but the question is, was he actually, and I, I don't know that he was.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Neither do I. I don't know either.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  You know, it's part of it, and I think, uh, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Have a wonderful day. Um, uh, it was perfectly bad timing, right? What am I gonna do? I was, she's a super nice lady, yeah.

• 39:38Speaker 04

  She was good though. She was quiet.

• 39:40Speaker 03

  I'm at the G W America. You can, maybe if I get out of the way, you can see the, uh,

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's coming. Yeah.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Usher money. Can you see it?

• 39:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, there it is. So cloudy here, Lucy. Um.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's it's tough. I guess I guess they need to really show what he did or did not do and what he said or did not say. I think one of the things that is really concerned people who have seen these protests. I mean, we have a long history of college protests, which is, I think, a good thing. Is but some of them really don't know what the hell they're talking about.

• 40:11Speaker 04

  For sure. Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  You know, when you when you've got people like saying, you know, you know, LG, you know, lesbians for Hamas. It's like, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is this is one of the that that organization is is completely against any form of individual human rights on any level, whether it's First Amendment, freedom of religion, women's rights, obviously, gay rights. I mean, you couldn't get a group that's probably further from supporting Western, um, you know, ideas of individual liberties than Hamas. Right? So it's it's part of it. You know, you can always disagree. I mean, you'd always have that between younger people and older people.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  But some of it's like, come on. I mean, if you're gonna if you're gonna spend this much time and dedicate your life to something, you gotta really find out what you're talking about.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  Because that's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to see people say stuff like that.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  Uh, because they obviously have done no research on that topic. If that's if that's.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  And just think about it. Hey, you know, if you're a gay person or you know, anything, you go to Gaza, you think they can all, you know, you think you could find like the gay pride parade where they do that? No. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't exist there.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Does it doesn't in Tel Aviv, though, just so you know.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  It doesn't Tel Aviv, right? So, um, I think that's a whole different different issue. But I think to your point, the is it really depends on what this young person did or didn't.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Uh, if it's just purely disagreeing with US born policy, which clearly US Americans disagree all the time.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  With each other. Um, I would hope that that would not fall into the category that somebody could be forced out.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, like you called it. It's a slippery slope. I mean, if if he's like a facilitator to that level. I get it, right? I get it. You know, you can't be cannot be screwing around like that.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  But if you're just some intellectual who's, you know, organizing a protest and there happens to be a girl like a lesbians for Hamas or whatever their slogans might be. Yeah, I can't. It there's like degrees to it, right? It's a spectrum of like.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Are you or aren't you?

• 42:37Speaker 03

  And there's also the harassment app, you know, part of this Jewish students. Yeah, Jewish students should feel like they're under threat at their own college or anywhere in the US, right? And I and that that was a and I don't again, I don't know if this person did any of that. But that's another reason why I think these colleges and universities are under so much criticism is they're basically allowing the speech they agree with.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Sure. Right.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  You know, you you and I can understand why you wouldn't, but you you said a neo-Nazi on on Columbia University and see how long they last.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  And their protest and see how long they and, you know, obviously not promoting your Nazis, but if you're totally cool with, you know, vandalism and taking over buildings and all that. With with speech and and activity you agree with. You know, it should be content neutral for them, too.

• 43:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  If it's not, then they're just actively promoting one particular side, but and if they want to do that, then they'll they'll have the consequences when I it's like they they can see right now.

• 43:45Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  You know, huge amounts of federal funding is getting cut off to a lot of these.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  I saw that as well. Yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. So it's something to keep an eye on for sure. For a multitude of reasons. Last bit was we smoked an ISIS, a mere top guy in ISIS, it seems like, and this name will elude me till the end of time.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Khadija. Abu Khadija is is terrorist name.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  And they're like, Saint Com released the footage of it. He was driving along in a, in a car and he got smoked by, I don't know what, a couple of hell fires, maybe.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and so a couple of points on him. He was, he was essentially in charge of ISIS in Iraq and Syria and a deputy overall worldwide.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  Right? So, big success, you know, according to reports, it was done through working with Iraqi intelligence, obviously our intelligence, CIA, and our Kurdish partners and, and the US military is the one that brought the hammer.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  So, hats off to all of them. These, and they were apparently wearing suicide vests.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  Oh shit.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  When they got him. Yeah. So, they probably had that. You know, some of them do that because they know that one day there could be, you know, their door could fly off the hinges and, you know, some US soldiers could be storming in there. So, sometimes they wear those obsolete. But hey, good work. The, I think the big thing to take away from that is ISIS is gonna keep going. We can't just unilaterally declare victory of the global war on terrorism. That's not how it works. It's gonna keep going. It's, it's, it's more like, you know, the fight against crime. You never see cops like sitting around going, oh, crime's over. Terrorism, yeah, it's, you just gotta accept it. Terrorism's not, it's gonna ebb and flow, but it's gonna stay

• 45:53Speaker 03

  as long as the conditions that make it so are the case. And we have to be ready to keep fighting the fight. And I think the Trump administration things they did since coming into office, they've powered down the decision to take these strikes. I think that's a good idea.

• 46:10Speaker 04

  And they've given it to commanders in the field, right?

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, so there's four star command, you know, general officers, whether generals or generals, that are combat commanders, right? So, uh, General Carrillo is the Sedcom commander. I think, I think we should be fully confident in him and every other combat commander's ability to make an assessment based on the policy they've been told by the president and the secretary of defense.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Right? I think we should trust them to do that. And hopefully that same cases is also for CIA strikes. This, these, these, these are, they're not a, they're not a magic bullet, right? So they're not going to end the war on terrorism. But if there's an imminent threat, the, the answer is either we send in, you know, either military forces, JSOC, or my old unit, which puts a lot of people at risk, or we take them out with uh, ammunition that is specifically designed to kill the intended target by nobody around. We've actually done a great job, I think, getting to a point where we can do that. And, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with the,

• 47:24Speaker 03

  I, I don't, I would don't want to risk the force if I don't have to.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  And if you could take these guys off the battle space,

• 47:32Speaker 03

  and we could do it quicker if the combat commander or, you know, their equivalent at CIA is making that determination, that I'm for it.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, I can't see how anybody would be against it, to be frank. Um, even my, you know, pinko commies is, uh, for it too. You know what I mean? Smoke as many ISIS guys as you can get your hands on. Um, on a scale of one to 10, how, how amazing of allies and uh, partner force are the Kurds? I know you hate these questions, but one to 10.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  One to 10. I, I, I am, uh, I spent a lot of time with the, uh, Kurdish forces, the Pesch Merga in, um, in Iraq. Yeah, I was on a team that went in, uh, way before the war started and helped organize the Pesch Merga, which became essentially the Northern Front, right? The idea was we're gonna have whole US division there. Uh, Turkey wouldn't allow it. Uh, so it was basically just a handful of, um, CIA folks like myself and Army Special Forces, particularly 10th Group, sat out to retire Lieutenant Colonel Ken Tobo, who was Lieutenant Colonel at the time, he's now a Lieutenant General retired.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  And all the Kurds, and I gotta tell you, they fought, they fought like friggin warriors, and that's why the US military and CIA is so fond of the Kurds. Quite frankly, they've, they're a partner you can trust 100% and they were the northern front, which essentially kept about 13 Iraqi Saddam, you know, Republican Guard divisions into the north to not, you know, fight the US Army and US Marine Corps coming from the south. Well, thank, thank, thank you Kurds, and they, they, you know, were outnumbered and, and essentially didn't have anything near the level of modern military equipment as the Republican Guards.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  But, but not only held them up there, but pushed all the way into Baghdad. So I'm, I'm a big fan of the Peshmerga, obviously have a lot of connections with the Kurds and the SDF. So I think the SDF, particularly with the US military and CIA in Syria, I mean, they, they, they won, they beat, they defeated ISIS, right? Without them, and, and they're not all Kurds, you know, that's somewhat of a misnomer. The leadership is primarily Kurdish, the YPG, and they have a lot of Arab soldiers as well. But they, they, that's one of the best programs we've run with partners, period.

• 50:13Speaker 03

  I mean, we basically put very few Americans on the grounds, predominantly JSOC, predominantly JSOC, the Army component and the CIA.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  And they did 99% of the fighting and were highly effective and, you know, yes, it's caused issues with our relationship with Turkey, but I think if you talk to

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Most military, US military, and say, hi, folks. They have the same opinion that I do when it comes to their quality of a partner, their ability and willingness to fight with us, alongside us. And for a very common cause, they are, they're pretty, you know, all things considered for the region. Aligned.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  With the, you know, with the right, human rights and.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  They're secular, they're moderate. Yeah.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  Yep. They, they accept other religions, women are, have significant roles in their government and in their military.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, the YPJ.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, they've got some really good soldiers, female soldiers, and I think there's several books written about. So we need to maintain our partnership with them for our own interest and, you know, over time, it benefits both us and them. And I think that's what any partnership, you know, whether it's strategic, global nation states to, you know, entities like the SDF or just personal relationships, you know, partnerships are as good as you are both willing to put in the effort.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  Taking that as like a nine point six out of 10. I'll say.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Sure. I don't know better partners. So.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  I mean, if you said, well, who's better? I mean, I, I don't. Yeah, again, I'm biased, but.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  Sure, sure.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  I've, I've fought alongside many, many a Peshmerga and I can definitely attribute them to saving my, you know, my ass many times. So.

• 52:18Speaker 04

  I mean,

• 52:20Speaker 04

  who's the other partner force really like, like the ANA or the AMP?

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, we had a great partner force. And yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. So there is an issue right now. The, the, for those that aren't tracking, and I imagine most of our audience does, but, you know, when we withdrew, there's this program called the Special Immigrant Visa. So people who work really closely with the US could come to the United States on this special.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Visa exemption. And, you know, eventually become citizens because they've proven their loyalty to the United States. And of course, we turned the damn country over to the Taliban, which is the enemy that wants to kill them all.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  Right. So they are not all here, and I don't, I don't want to give the wrong numbers, but I was looking it up because I was talking to people about it last week on the hill here.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  There's a lot, tens of thousands that are still in the process of doing that. And there's some talk about some new immigration restrictions, we'll cut that off.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  And I think, you know, this isn't, shouldn't be a political issue, and it ain't for me, so I stay out of that stuff. But I would hope that particularly the vets that have been involved in this do let, you know, their representatives know that you expect, you know,

• 53:41Speaker 03

  the United States to honor their pledge to our partners that fought in alongside us in Afghanistan. And that any restrictions to stop them from being given what they were promised

• 53:55Speaker 03

  should be

• 53:57Speaker 03

  not happen.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  And I, and hopefully that's going to be heard

• 54:03Speaker 03

  before if, if this is actually going to happen.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, he's got these people more than risked their lives. A lot of them lost their lives doing this, working with us in Afghanistan. And they're still there, you know, probably under threat every single day.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I hope, you know, they're, they're allowed to come here. I hope it's expedited and there's no like roadblocks put up moving forward.

• 54:42Speaker 04

  That's all I got. You got anything else that you want?

• 54:45Speaker 03

  Oh, I think we, I think we covered. Covered a lot today.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. Of course, there'll be more. As we go along. Uh. Mick. Fogbo, tell everybody what you do at Fogbo. Explain its people.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  So we do, um, we're, we're basically a group that enables humanitarian operations. A lot of us are, uh, that's so we take our skills that we learned in the past life and. You know, obviously the mission is different now and the mission's delivering food, for example, the people who are in critical need and it might be by maritime, might be by air, might be by ground. Um, but that's what we do. Um, and we do, we've been in Gaza, we've been in Sudan, we're looking at expanding to.

• 55:31Speaker 03

  Somalia, potentially Syria. Uh, that's what we do.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  Yes, you could check them out, uh, Fogbo. The link will be in the descriptions of fogbow.com.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, the website.

• 55:44Speaker 04

  I have the link in the description. Check them out. See what they do. Of course, Lobo Institute as well. Really cool stuff. That link is in the description too. And if you want to read any of Mick's publications, that link is also in the description to find him on social media as well. All the links will be in the description as well, please.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  So I one, one thing that I forgot. So, um, we also run an NGO called End Child Soldiering. I should. Probably bring that up every week. Uh, it is a NGO that supports, um, both. Requiring the countries don't use children, uh, to fight their wars, but also the rehabilitation of children that were forced to fight. It comes based on a documentary we did on a child soldier. Uh, that got made into a bestselling book, uh, called All the Glimmering Stars, uh, and, uh. Uh, part of the proceeds of the book goes to support our NGO and we just issued the third Opoko Award. Uh, Opoca is the name, last name of the.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  The people, the two, the man and woman, husband, wife, we did a documentary on both child soldiers, uh, to the Delayer Institute. The Delayer Institute is a group that had been doing great work. Uh, if you remember the movie or book Hotel Rwanda.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  The Canadian UN general that was in the movie is Romeo Delair and he he started this organization and they I think are one of the most active out there really doing good work to prevent children from being used as soldiers and to help those that were and so the third Opoko award that we've issued from in child soldiering is going to the layers to their great work.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  Cool. Yeah, I'm gonna also place I'll put some links in the description for that as well. So check them out all down there if you want to find out more. Guys, I want you to understand something about Mick. He could literally be making three or four times more money doing almost anything else and he's doing the right thing. So that's a little bit about Mick. Just FYI.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  I'm doing all right.

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  Um, all the other links are in the description as well for Andy and Jason. Check them out. Buy some merch if you want.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Find an Irish, find an Irish pub on Monday.

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  Yeah.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  Find everybody's Irish on Monday.

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  Patreon.com.

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  Whether you like it or not.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're just forced to. There's no, there's no negotiation there.

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  I don't want to be Irish.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  Thanks Mick. This was great.

• 58:22Speaker 09

  All right, well. What's up everybody? It's Brett ski. It always sounds like a good idea. Get the whole family together for the holidays. But if your family is anything like mine by the second minute of dinner, there's a political debate going on and I just want to get the hell out of there. That's when I grab my phone and play on spinquest.com. It has all my favorite slots and table games for free with the ability to win real cash prizes. Head over to spinquest.com or download the app today.

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  See you guys next time. Thank you.

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  See you next time.

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