Pete Hegseth Tattoos, Vivek & Elon Run DOGE, Rogan Turns On Obama w/ Will Cain | PBD Podcast | Ep. 509

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Fox News' Will Cain cover the outrage over Pete Hegseth's religious tattoos, Joe Rogan calling out Barack Obama over his support of Kamala Harris, Big Pharma stocks TANKING after RFK Jr.'s nomination for Secretary of HHS, and Ukraine escalating the war with Russia by using U. S.-made long-range missiles. Will Cain is the host of The Will Cain Show - streaming on FOX News Audio weekdays at 12PM ET. 💻 PBD'S "NO MATTER WHAT" WEBINAR: ⁠https://bit.ly/4hVTkPK⁠ https://bit.ly/4hVTkPK 🎄 PURCHASE THE VT CHRISTMAS COLLECTION: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4hDCt3S⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4hDCt3S?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=product_shelf 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3Zn2Moj⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3Zn2Moj 👕 VT POLO SHIRTS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3Y4Npig⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3Y4Npig?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=product_shelf 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ze3RUM⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ze3RUM 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/47iOGGx⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/47iOGGx 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4e0FgCe⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4e0FgCe 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3MGK5EE⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3MGK5EE 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4d5nYlU⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4d5nYlU 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3XC8L7k⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3XC8L7k 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3XjSSRK⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3XjSSRK 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO:⁠⁠⁠⁠‪@VALUETAINMENT‬⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@VALUETAINMENT ⁠⁠⁠⁠‪@vtsoscast‬⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@vtsoscast ⁠⁠⁠⁠‪@ValuetainmentComedy‬⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@ValuetainmentComedy ⁠⁠⁠⁠‪@bizdocpodcast‬⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@bizdocpodcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠‪@theunusualsuspectspodcast‬⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@theunusualsuspectspodcast ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 1:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so we have episode 509 today with a special guest, Will Kane, in the house. We're finally doing this.

• 1:27Speaker 03

  What is up? I'm so happy to be here.

• 1:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, great having you here. We almost did this last time, but some got in the way. Wasn't you, was me. But I'm glad we're able to make it work. Guys, we got a lot of stories to cover, a lot going on. We haven't responded, I think for a week, Rob, if I'm not mistaken, we haven't done a podcast to react to everything that's happened. And a lot has happened in the last week. Your friend, Pete Exit.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Got a job.

• 1:51Speaker 03

  He did.

• 1:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He did. I don't know if you heard about it or not. He got this job and it's a big deal. And a lot of people are giving him a hard time for the tattoos he chose to get. I want to get your thoughts on it. We got to get some commentary. We got a few people that are not happy about him getting the job. We have a few people that are very happy he got the job. But we'll talk about it. We got the right guy to talk about it. Uh, Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, he's pissing a lot of people off. You know, they're getting upset at him, what's gonna, it's so bad that vaccine stocks took a hit, which is deeply concerning for those who own the stock. You got processed food stocks drop. And it's to the point that even Florida city votes to remove fluoride from drinking water. And Scott Jennings, which by the way, is kind of becoming a star, I'm really liking Scott Jennings, what he's saying.

• 2:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom said it best, he says Scott was a guy they hired as a token conservative on CNN. They didn't realize how much of a fighter he was. And he's proven, maybe we made a mistake hiring Scott, right? He pushes hard a little bit too much. He said, let's get to the real issue here. Scott Jennings shuts down panelists attacks on Bobby. Alec Baldwin mocks raspy voice RF Kennedy Jr. On an SNL open, which we'll talk about that. We'll talk about Trump's cabinet. Uh, Jamie Dimon was interviewed and asked about whether he got the job or not. And he said, I haven't had a boss for 25 years. And he's not starting today, meaning he was not interested in the job. Now, listen, that doesn't mean everybody believes Jamie said that, but we will talk about it

• 3:20Patrick Bet-David?

  and address that issue. Morning Joe co-host, whole day face-to-face meeting with Trump. For the first time in seven years, folks, either they're trying to be noble or numbers came out, I don't know if you saw the MSNBC numbers or not. They're not looking good. I mean, there's some small-time podcasters that are in the top 500 that are beating those guys. It's pretty embarrassing when you think about what's happening there. Let's go with noble. Yeah, let's go with noble. Let's go with noble. Yeah, that's probably what it is. Uh, for some of you guys that are single, some bad news came out. I mean, I want to be able to tell you this right now. And you're gonna have to deal with it for the next four years. Oh. There's this movement going on called the 4B movement. Uh, that could change America, according to Politico.

• 4:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No sex, no dating, no babies, no marriage. And it's the 4B movement because some of you voted for Trump. So, just like, listen, four years is not a long time, hang in there. But we'll see what happens with that. So, Trump's already reducing abortion. IBM CEO on Trump, less regulation, more innovation is a win for business. Drill baby drill, mining magnet, cozy enough to Trump. Rogan takes shots at Obama. And Rogan was actually pretty complimentary about Obama when I was on with him, but he took some shots at him. And it wasn't nice, but maybe he's got a good point of what happened last in 2024. We'll talk about that. We'll play the clip. We got a top poster, Ann Selzer

• 4:44Patrick Bet-David?

  to retire after the bombshell Iowa poll ended in a historic miss. She's stepping away from the game. It's probably a good decision she's making. Sunny Hostin asks Eric Adams point blank if he embraced Trump in hopes of getting a pardon. We'll let you watch the clip and make a decision for yourself. Scott Jennings back at it again with another clip. By the way, for those guys that live in Chicago, Illinois, that you were worried about Trump's gonna be doing, don't worry about it. Governor Pritzker has promised that he will boost sex changes after decisive Trump victory. By the way, Pritzker, this is why you lost seven states because of dumb statements like that that you think is gonna flip and people

• 5:25Patrick Bet-David?

  gonna say, oh, my God, I really want this guy to be president. What a little say something like that. Zelensky, while this is happening, there's a war going on, folks. Zelensky says the Ukraine-Russia war ends faster with Trump. However, New York Times reported that Biden is agreeing to allow them to use the long missiles. And apparently, they just did. And there's a reaction. We got to talk. This just happened overnight, I believe, Rob, if I'm not mistaken. And we'll start, we'll talk about that as well. And a couple of the business stories that we'll get into Ben Affleck, there was a clip that came out by Ben Affleck. I don't know if you saw that or not. I got to play it to you guys. Have you seen it or not? I thought it was sick.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  I've read it. I haven't seen it in so long.

• 6:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you got to. It's better than reading it. I played for you. It's phenomenal to react to mortgages and buying houses. Who's funding new home purchases? Mom and dad, Axios says, and young adults are holding off on moving out of their parents' house. We'll talk about that. And another devastating news, Don Lemon leaves X. Wait, what? Yeah, he did. He left X and he wrote a letter about it.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Big sacrifice. He was killing it.

• 6:27Patrick Bet-David?

  He was. We'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk about it. But guys, before we get into it. He keeps leaving. Before we get into it, I can tell you one thing that we're doing in 2020. I'll never forget, we're doing our podcast. We had 47,000. concurrent viewers we had sixty seven hundred we're at the office we leave I go home the next day news comes out Biden's probably gonna be the president of course it takes a few weeks everybody around me is panicking what's gonna happen covid Biden what are we gonna do we step back we put a plan together and the last four years have been the most ridiculous four years of our lives because we sequenced everything out fifteen moves business personal life finances all of it now that Trump's president that same strategy that worked in twenty twenty

• 7:12Patrick Bet-David?

  should be different than the one we have in twenty twenty four tonight at six o'clock I'm hosting a webinar called a no matter what webinar Tom and I will be sharing with you guys what we're planning on doing the next four years and some of the strategies that you ought to consider doing as well for yourself the next four years especially when we're coming down to business planning season right now is November nineteenth January first is gonna be here like in the next six weeks and those of you guys that got big plans in twenty twenty five planning starts now go to VT webinar.com VT webinar.com put it in your calendar it's only five thousand people that can be on we don't have it more than five thousand people we'll start at six o'clock I'll give a PowerPoint presentation to you guys and then we'll go from there having said that Will let's get right into it

• 7:54Speaker 03

  what's up let's do it

• 7:55Patrick Bet-David?

  let's do it uh play the clip Rob with Pete Hexit if we can get into one of the clips this is a peer of yours this is a guy you work with this is your buddy he all of a sudden is being announced as getting this big job did you at all have any clue that he's getting this job did you have an idea

• 8:12Speaker 03

  yes I had an idea I mean I'm gonna be straight with you yes I knew that he was a possibility to be a part of

• 8:18Patrick Bet-David?

  how long did you know that

• 8:20Speaker 03

  well look

• 8:22Patrick Bet-David?

  was it a week a month two months

• 8:24Speaker 03

  I think months was the idea but but I only knew that Trump thought very very highly of Pete Hexit

• 8:29Patrick Bet-David?

  got it

• 8:30Speaker 03

  and there was a possibility that after the election they should be talking

• 8:34Patrick Bet-David?

  so then what that tells me is that the But was it for a job? Or was it like, I like you, let's stay close, let's talk? You know what I'm saying? Because those are two different things.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Trump, look, in June of 2024, Fox and Friends Weekend sat down with Donald Trump and had an hour and a half long interview.

• 8:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  And let's just take a moment to appreciate that. I know that you guys have done that at PBD. He sat down for what was scheduled to be a 60-minute interview and asked his people, as we went along, as he's done on several shows, let's give him a little more time. Let's give him a little more time. And when it was over, he's like, I just let it run. I let it go. Don't edit it. It'll rate. People will love it. And we did, on the Will Kane Show. Obviously, for TV, you have to edit it. You have to put it out in incremental chunks that people can consume. We ran it on the Will Kane Show. But when it was over, or actually during the show, while we're on air, he says, you know, you, Pete Hegseth, would be great for Secretary of Defense. You'd be amazing. Says it on air, right there. I'd love to have you. Then he says, I'd love to have all three of you. I'd take you all three if I could.

• 9:37Speaker 03

  Which, by the way, as of last night, he took my other co-host's husband, Rachel Campos Duffy, Sean Duffy, to be the Secretary of Transportation.

• 9:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Amazing.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  So what an upgrade, from Mayor Pete to Sean Duffy. Great guy. So yeah, I mean, I think Trump was pretty open about his interest in Pete Hegseth.

• 9:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So it's been public. It's not something that, even if it was kidding about it, the audience may, for the first time, be like, wow, he's really interested in him? Yeah. And now it's real. The job is real. Now, here's how the media reacts to it. I want to get your thoughts on it. Play a couple of these clips, Rob.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  The Secretary of Defense nominee, Peter Hegseth, the Fox News commentator as well, because this is someone who, weekend host. Important distinction. This is someone who, you know, is known to be a white supremacist, known to be an extremist, whose platform, whose book is basically about his opposition to the advancement of black officers to the top brass.

• 10:34Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the other clip you got, Rob? Because this was fantastic. Do you have a better one? Let's look at this one here.

• 10:39Speaker 05

  He's also under fire for some of his tattoos depicting religious symbols and phrases that fellow service members flagged to his superiors over concerns they're associated with white supremacists. Hegseth saying those concerns amount to anti-Christian bigotry. Posting, "They can target me, I don't give a damn." But this type of targeting of Christians, conservatives, patriots, and everyday Americans will stop on day one at Donald Trump's Department of Defense. Hegseth posts notably not disavowing the supremacists who have adopted the symbolism that he has in the past.

• 11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. Now, here's a question. When you guys are done with your shows, and you're in the locker room changing, you're showering, you know, shirts off, and you see the tattoos, what do you think about his tattoos?

• 11:21Speaker 03

  So, can I, let me say this first of all. Okay, Pat, you have done this, Tom, Vinny. People in TV often say, "This is my friend, this is my friend." And the truth is, it means little more than I'm friendly with that person. Okay? So, I'm gonna be upfront with your audience, I'm upfront with my audience. I have this belief that do not feign objectivity where it doesn't exist. You have to start your relationship with the audience with the truth. And the truth is, we have biases. Here's the truth. I'm not objective on Pete Hegseth. Okay? I have a bias. He is a real friend of mine, not a TV friend. I have said, "When I'm done here on this planet, I want him to be one of the guys that carry my casket." Now, because I'm not objective, though, or that I have a bias, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  Because of this, I know the truth about Pete Hegseth. And this is an incredible, incredible man. With the right values, a flawed man who's made mistakes in his life, but a good man who wants to live up to his values and has principles and dearly loves the United States of America. This tattoo issue is nothing short of defamatory. And I'm waiting for the army of lawyers to start attacking the mainstream media for what, look, I'm an attorney, I went to law school. For a public figure, the standard is malice or reckless disregard for the truth. That is malice. That is malice. Look, the picture you're showing right now, okay? That picture is when Pete is swimming across the Hudson River, three miles, with 100 Navy

• 12:45Speaker 03

  SEALs, I've done it twice, with him, on national television, on Fox and Friends. We air this, swim. If that is some type of white nationalist symbol, why would he be blaring it across the news channel to a national audience? Millions of people watching. That's the Jerusalem cross. That is a cross that's been used since the Crusades, since 1096. It's still used in bibles. And I think he's right. For them to attack that, right there, as white supremacists is nothing short of defamatory, not just towards Pete, towards historical literacy, exposing yourself as an idiot, and towards Christians.

• 13:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You would assume these guys that claim they went to the best schools would know what the meaning of that is. And then they come out and criticize it. I mean, look, we had, we had him on. And we had a great time with him. You know, you remember when he was on, it was a great conversation, very entertaining, fun, straight up, but also military guy. You want a guy to be tough experience. A lot of times, these folks don't realize that. What's his resume, by the way? He's got two bronze medals.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Two bronze stars.

• 13:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Two bronze stars. He's got a, a...

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Combat infantry badge, three deployments.

• 13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Three deployments. Veteran, he's, he's an all-around stud. So it's not like we're talking about somebody that hasn't. Now, by the way, I mean, to, to be fair with everybody, you get the job. Now you gotta go prove yourself, right? You got the job now, what are we gonna do now? How's the market gonna react to it? Forget about how the market reacts. Anybody that gets a job for the first time, all the, you know, everybody's gonna start taking shots at you. And then after the dust settles, takes about a week or two, now it's about getting to work and seeing what you're gonna be doing. Tom, your thoughts?

• 14:20Speaker 05

  First of all, I agree, because Kane, don't fain. You know, he's being very authentic here about, about his feelings, about his friend and everything, and, and bringing, you know, I think, straight up testimony here. What I look at, as I look at the media, I mean, way, way, way back when I, I grew up, and I was getting, I got my MBA, and I almost got JD MBA, but I didn't want to go clerk for a judge, and I stepped off. But I remember watching a movie called Absence of Malice. And it's talking about the exact standard you're talking about, that if there's no malice in what you report publicly, then there's no foul. But this is malice, and the media is attempting to do it. And this election is all about throw falsehoods and see if they stick. Project 2025. Trump is not part of that.

• 15:04Speaker 05

  Other people are, and they kept trying to throw that. And what they're trying to throw here is that, oh, that's... That's a bad symbol. That's a bad symbol. To see if people will think only an inch deep and take it to heart and say, wow, this guy's got a tattoo. That's a bad symbol. But what you said is absolutely correct. It's your Jerusalem cross. And what the media is doing is they are trying to defame that which they fear. And they're trying to find points of undermining in during this lame duck period for Biden. And during the ramp period, all they don't have news anymore. They lost the election. They lost. They've got nothing to talk about. So they're making things to talk about. And this is the invention of negativity that's been part of their arsenal of attack

• 15:48Speaker 05

  through the election cycle. And now they're extending it to a decorated veteran that is not Secretary of Defense.

• 15:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not surprised though.

• 15:55Speaker 05

  He's been nominated.

• 15:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not surprised though.

• 15:57Speaker 05

  No, it doesn't surprise me. And I'm just, I'm calling it back out.

• 15:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what? What shocks me though, that the left, all this mainstream media, they haven't learned their lesson. They've been to the Super Bowl election twice and they've lost. They're using the same plays, racist, this. And by the way, whose job is he taking? Lloyd Austin, who not only had, you know, he had prostate surgery for cancer. He didn't report it. He didn't do nothing, which is a complete violation. That's a horrible chain of command mess up. And by the way, under Lloyd Austin, the military's faced 25% recruitment shortfall, record low, dangerous distractions like DEI. And I think Hegseth is, I think, I don't think he said it, but somebody mentioned that he's going to come in, the Pentagon, and remind the Pentagon that it's about killing America's enemies. Not freaking DEI and all this nonsense that's happening.

• 16:44Speaker 03

  You know, I'm going to say it reminds me, but it's an actual playbook. This is, so if we're being fair, they're pointing to two tattoos. This is one of them. The other is Deus Fux. It's God Wills It, which Pete has on his bicep, which is Latin and another phrase that's been around forever. Pat, you and I have talked, you remember me from ESPN. I'm going to tell you a situation that happened when I was at ESPN that this reminds me of. It's the OK symbol. Do you remember the OK symbol controversy? So kids play the circle game, which looks like the OK symbol, right? It's been around forever. And they attacked several different groups for this, but one of them was a graduate class at West Point, who they get a picture taken. And you know, kids play the circle game. If I if I can get you to look at the circle, then I can punch you or whatever. A guy did it at the Cubs game behind Harold Reynolds, if you'll remember, and Theo Epstein, then GM of the Cubs, said

• 17:30Speaker 03

  he ran cold. His his spine went with chills that that the Cubs that Wrigley Field was filled with white supremacists. They turned something benign to 99% of America, right? The OK symbol into a sign of white supremacy because they found some internet rabbit hole crazy theory where someone had done it and associated it with white power. What they're doing is taking longtime symbols, in this case, Christian symbols, and turning them into white supremacist. And that is not only, I do think, Tom, uh, actual malice and defamatory,

• 18:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  But it's it's dishonest. It's knowing what they're doing, and it's just crap reporting, horrific reporting.

• 18:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's not working. What is important to look at this picture here? The the peak on his biceps looks pretty good. So, listen, Pete, if you're watching this, very impressive. Very impressive. Good for you. He's definitely trying to risk with the crony curls at the end.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  But no, those baseball biceps.

• 18:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, I mean, the the model, the model is no longer working. You know, Peter Thiel was on Barry Weiss, a great podcast they did. He said, I did the last time identity politics worked was in 08. It hasn't worked since 08. Oh, wait, he's saying Obama. And here's why he said it worked in 08. He made such an interesting point. He said, the reason why identity politics worked in 08, 08 was because Obama could go up there and saying, I'm the black person you've been waiting to vote for. And then he can go and says, I don't care if you're white, black, Hispanic, straight, gay, well, you know, and he would go to, and the reason why I could get away with it in 08 was because social media wasn't yet at a point where things would go

• 19:07Patrick Bet-David?

  and you'd be held accountable. Like, what Kamala did in 2024, going up there and speaking different language, you know, with their accents, and then going up there and talking to Muslims and saying this, and then going to Jews and saying that. Obama got away with that in 08. She could get away with that in 2024. These strategies don't haven't worked. They have to completely change it up. And one of the questions that was asked is, you know, Barry asked the question saying both Oprah Winfrey and Elon Musk said, made the same comment. If 2024, this is the, this could be the last election. If Trump wins, this could be the last election we have in America. Oprah said that. Musk said, if Kamala wins, this could be the last election we have. And she said, what do you think about that comment?

• 19:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Because as a person, you can't like a comment like that. It's too threatening. He says, you know, the first time Musk said it, I was like, like, I don't know if I'm with you or not. He said, the more and more I went through it, the more I realized Musk was kind of right. Because if Trump would have lost this election 2024, they would have said 2016 was a fluke and Trump got lucky. But because Trump won 2024, now they get to say 2020 was a fluke. Aha. And Biden got lucky. Yeah. It was such a profound moment. Meaning now, what took place? Guess who lost all credibility in the room behind closed doors? When everybody's waiting to see what he and she have to say. Guess who they are? Barack Obama and Michelle.

• 20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  On Michelle. You used to sit in a room and you'd say something Schumer, you'd say something Pelosi, you'd say something Hillary, you'd say something Bill, you'd say something. Everybody's like, Brock, what do you, what do you guys think? Yeah. The last one you go to, right? And I was like, hey, you guys just go live at your Martha's Vineyard type of stuff. Your strategy didn't work, ma- massive failure. By the way, Rob, can you play the clip of Rogan on Obama? Because you got to realize, I'm, I'm talking to Rogan and Joe says, look, let's face it. Obama was one of, one of our best presidents we've had when him and I are, I don't, one of, I'm paraphrasing. To now, switching from that, that was just two years ago, three years ago, maybe even a year ago. To now this message here, go ahead, Rob. We did.

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• 22:01Speaker 05

  Only at McDonald's for a limited time. Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing. Trust the government. This is, which is such a weird thing to say. You know, I used to think it was the Obama administration, but boy, Obama during this Kamala Harris administration, she, he, it changed my opinion of that guy.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  Really? Did you have a high opinion of him before?

• 22:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. Just as an intelligent person, a statesman, I felt like he's probably like caught up in the system. It's very difficult to make real meaningful change. You know, you think you're gonna do something and then you get into office and you're like, oh god, what a fucking quagmire this place is. But watching him just straight up lie about Trump, the thing that got me was that very fine people thing, the white supremacist thing that just kept trying to say that he was a racist. Which is this thing that I think worked in like 2017. You know, I think it worked back then. I don't think it works anymore. I don't think people believe it anymore. I think that we've gotten numb to all this stuff.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Well, it's a sky is falling thing, right?

• 23:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  Like, cry wolf or whatever. It's like, you guys can only call, he only called me a fascist so many times. I mean, like the New York.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Your thoughts? That moment, the very fine people moment, I think might actually be one of the most, um, the biggest conversion moments for Americans in the past 10 years. It was for me. So I was in, I was at ESPN, that moment was like in 16, 17? What was that? And when you are in sports like I was, and I've always been a political, I was in politics before I went to sports, so I've always watched it, been involved in it. Rogan's talked about this though. You have to dig deep in order to get to the truth. It's not easy anymore. So if you're someone who's out there and you let the news wash over you and you accept headlines or what was previously acceptable media, you would have thought a certain thing about Trump. And so very fine people comes along and it's like echoed from every mountaintop.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  And you're like, wow, how could Trump, you know, equivocate on this whole thing? And then it took just a little bit of digging, just a little bit, because all you have to do is extend the clip 45 seconds.

• 24:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  And then you're like, whoa, that is not at all, like not, in fact, it's the polar opposite, 180 degrees different than what Trump was saying. And then that just started it. And you start going, whoa, if that's fake, what else is fake? And then, of course, after that, we have bloodbath and dictator for a day and on and on and on and on. But once you had that crack in the wall with very fine people, then you started realizing the malevolence of the information that you're getting. And so then for Rogan to see Barack Obama, well after this has been debunked, because he's talking about in the past two or three months, Obama repeated the very fine people hoax.

• 24:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, less than a month with the last one.

• 24:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. So to see him repeat a lie that is a proven lie, a hoax, it's been debunked, yeah, how do you go back in the same way and trust whoever Obama was?

• 24:56Speaker 05

  Tom, I think Obama damaged his brand. I mean, really damaged his brand. Diselection. Yes. He was called in like a fire extinguisher. The same way that Bill, remember Bill Clinton was held out of the Hillary election cycle. After the, after the convention, show me where Bill was actually on active duty. He wasn't. He was in the reserves. Yeah. He was in reserves. And then they called Bill in, hey, you know what? This may be closer than we want. And remember, as we got within three weeks of the election, people are saying, man, the enthusiasm coefficient on Trump rallies versus the Hillary rallies, it started to worry Democrat strategists, but they were like, yeah, don't worry about it. We're just going to win this thing because Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, those are ours, they're always ours.

• 25:41Speaker 05

  And they, this time, they've similarly like a fire extinguisher, so they called Obama to come on in, and he didn't have the same impact. It was like he, he wasn't the same, didn't have the same, you know, perceptible gravitas that he did. Remember when he would pull all those people at the Berlin Wall in 2009 and everybody like this? And they thought, wow, what a great moment for America, this, this man of color with all this. But now, he, he wasn't. Poland and he wasn't coming across convincing and he was applying that that that that you know linguistic style that he does that he used to have such effectiveness with it wasn't sticking and it wasn't impressive even me I was being objective leaning back saying this guy's a shell of what he was you know this is not this is not real it's like when you pay now

• 26:25Speaker 05

  a ton of money to go see you know the Eagles on their

• 26:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought you were about to say when you pay a ton of money to

• 26:31Speaker 05

  Oh no, no, no, no.

• 26:32Patrick Bet-David?

  one Soto.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  You're gonna see what I mean when you pay a lot of money to see the 10th annual this is the last tour for the Eagles, right? Oh, those Eagles. Yeah, the Eagles. Talking Philly. And what happens is, yeah, yeah, those are sorry and and what happens is it just gets a little less climactic, a little less impressive, a little less impressive as they go along because we're getting older and they're not the band they used to be and I feel like that that Obama lost his buzz.

• 26:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So in Dallas, there's a church and it's in you're gonna know this church it's I don't it's in Plano used to be a massive church they used to have a certain right a patent towards something called PowerPoint that Bill Gates had to come and get from them if you know where I'm going with this and so I go to this church and I'm watching this church this place is so big it's a zip code what does it say you know which one it is you should know which one it is.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  Six Flags over Jesus.

• 27:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's you know which one I'm talking about, right?

• 27:32Speaker 05

  I know exactly what you're talking about you have to show me after because I want to see it.

• 27:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a zip code the church is a zip code that's how big it is.

• 27:38Speaker 05

  You can see it from space.

• 27:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Massive anyways so when I go to this place everyone's like oh my God you gotta go to this place and it's this it's that it's this I'm like okay let me go to it so I go to this church and then we start going on Sundays and then all of a sudden when I'm going to this place you know um it's empty.

• 28:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody used to tell me this place used to be jam packed. The place is empty. So we'd go again and we'd go again and I said, listen, let's go there Easter. And we went on Easter. We sat all the way at the back because I'm not a member yet. I'm trying to find a church. We're going to Watermark.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  I didn't know you lived in Dallas.

• 28:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I lived in Plano for five years off of Preston. I lived right by Willow Bend area.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So then all of a sudden I'm like, dude, this Easter service is the worst service I've ever been to.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  Was it packed?

• 28:29Patrick Bet-David?

  It was packed.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Okay, it's Easter.

• 28:30Patrick Bet-David?

  But it was the worst service. Why was it the worst service? Let me tell you why. Who typically shows up to Easter service? Is it the regulars or the once a year guys?

• 28:39Speaker 03

  No, the once a year.

• 28:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, and what's your job as a senior pastor? To try to do what? To convert.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Them into coming once a week.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 28:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? That's part of your job. This is your opportunity all year. And I sat there and it was just scolding that Christians don't give enough money to their church anymore. That's not the message you give that day. That's maybe two months later. That's maybe a month later. That's maybe, you know, October, certain months. That's not that day. And I said, man, no wonder this place is not doing well. Because you can't talk to the crowd in a scolding manner. And Obama started doing that. And in 2004, one of the greatest speeches ever given, he lost his sizzle and unfortunately he lost his following.

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Real quick.

• 29:23Speaker 05

  He got called out. It was like he was just talking to a few African American guys. And he tried to go into mode and the guy sitting down just called them out and wouldn't even get up out of the chair.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  Back to this moment in time, you're talking about which one is the aberration, 16 or 20? And not to become the director of the Patrick Bet David Show, but Rob, I don't know if you can pull up my Instagram. Something has changed. If you want to talk about what the aberration was, you don't need an election result to show it. Something has changed in the last two weeks and I don't know if you guys have felt it. Obviously, there was a pent up, go to that picture of the MAGA gear. Okay, there was a pent up support of Donald Trump that was scared, hidden and secret. This picture I'm showing you here from my Instagram.

• 30:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Talk about 16.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  No, now.

• 30:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Now?

• 30:06Speaker 03

  That is LaGuardia Airport. I fly into LaGuardia every week. Now, LaGuardia is nice now. I don't know the last time you guys have been to LaGuardia. It's nice.

• 30:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  When you go through security, there's a mall that you walk through, right? They've got the perfume, they've got the Yankees gear. I walk around the corner, Pat, there's a huge kiosk table of MAGA gear. And I'm not talking about like, oh, just the inauguration gear. T-shirts that say, "I voted for the felon."

• 30:30Patrick Bet-David?

  That's sick.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Okay, this is, what this is showing me is this massive pent-up acceptability of something that was painted as right-wing. And then, yeah, the Kamala Harris.

• 30:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Seventy-five, voting on ninety.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  That stuff's gonna be in Africa next to the Buffalo Bill's Super Bowl champion gear.

• 30:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, for sure, yeah.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  They gotta give that stuff away for free to where the Super Bowl loser gear goes.

• 30:52Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not working. I mean, look, it's not working. Let's go to the individuals that got the appointments so far and get your thoughts on, maybe which one you're most excited about. Obviously, we've already talked about Pete. So, Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, okay? Defense Secretary, Pete Hexit. Attorney General, AG, Matt Gaetz. Interior Secretary, Doug Burgum. Uh, Human and, uh, Health and Human Services, RFK Junior. Veterans Affairs, Doug Collins.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 31:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Homeland Security, Kristi Noem. Energy Secretary, Chris Wright. Commerce Secretary, contenders, there's a bunch of them right now, Linda McMahon, Brooke Rollins, uh, a bunch of names. Then you got Department of, uh, Government Efficiency, right? Doge. Elon Musk and Vivek. What a, what a, what, what a duo.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:41Patrick Bet-David?

  CIA Director, John Ratcliffe. Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. Uh, National Security Advisor, Mike Walz. UN Ambassador, Lee Stefanic. Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff. EPA Head, Lee Zeldin. Solicitor General Dean John Sore.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  I was hoping I was gonna get the call on that one.

• 32:04Speaker 05

  By the way, that's a big position. Nobody knows about.

• 32:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's talk about it. I want to, I want to hear about it. FCC Chair Brandon Carr, I think that was just yesterday. Chief of Staff Suzy Wiles. Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller. White House Counsel William McInley, McKinley. Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Oh, I can't wait for that.

• 32:23Patrick Bet-David?

  She's a stud. Communications Director Stephen Chung. Who was here, by the way, that day when he came through. Assistant to the President Sergio Gore. Your thoughts and who excites you the most out of all these names?

• 32:33Speaker 03

  Well, who excites me the most is actually the big names. It is, it is our, is for example, RFK. Because here's my, here's my belief. I don't think that we're on the, on the edge of some cliff where the United States government collapses. I think this thing has become such a behemoth, it's uncontrollable. The incremental change on the margins doesn't get it done. Simple competency doesn't get done. That's a Mitt Romney-esque vision of America, a Bain consultant. Let's just make sure we get some competence back in charge. And by the way, that would be great because obviously we don't have that today. But I want people who are disruptors. That's what I want. I want real disruptors that can effectuate real change. And even that, we have to be a little bit skeptical. Can even an RFK make real change? Because as you pointed out earlier in the show, Pat, the lobby is going to be massive.

• 33:17Speaker 03

  The pharmaceutical lobby, the food industry lobby. They're going to fight tooth and nail against anything that, you know, is to be done by RFK. Same thing for Pete at the Pentagon, you know? You're talking about 850 billion dollar budget. Now, by the way, Pete can do three important things. Get DEI woke out of the military, turn it back into a meritocratic institution. Refocus, as you pointed out, Vinny, the purpose of the United States military, which is to absolutely destroy our enemy.

• 33:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Hundred percent.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  It's not a social experiment. It's not the world's police force. It is laser focused on the mission, which is destroy our enemy. And then I hope, you know, the Pentagon has missed, I know there's something we could talk about today, but seven straight audits, Pat. Seven in a row audits. Meaning they can't even quantify how much money they are spending. They don't know where it is. Now, that's the biggest job of all.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  And they laughed about it yesterday on a clip.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  Yesterday?

• 34:07Speaker 05

  You see the woman from the Pentagon that actually was...

• 34:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, she thinks it's a joke. She was challenged and she laughed about it. Yeah, almost, almost a trillion dollars.

• 34:14Speaker 05

  Was it Jon Stewart? Was it Jon Stewart?

• 34:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Asked her about it?

• 34:18Speaker 03

  That's, that's, I mean, insulting, obviously.

• 34:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. Oh yeah, she giggled. She giggled about, eh, she was like, I don't know, that's not my.

• 34:29Speaker 05

  Audits and waste, fraud and abuse are not the same thing. So let's decompose these. Please educate me on, on what. Sure. So an audit is exactly what you just described, which is, do I know what was delivered to which place? Right. The ability to pass an audit or in a, the fact that the DOD has not passed an audit is not suggestive of waste, fraud and abuse.

• 34:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 34:49Speaker 05

  That is completely false right there. So. So what is suggestive of? It's suggestive that we can't, we don't have an accurate inventory that we can pull up of what we have where.

• 35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  What? The, what do we?

• 35:02Speaker 05

  That is not the same.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  Like in the hands of Taliban.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  We can't do that because waste. So in my world. Yeah. That's waste.

• 35:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 05

  How is that waste? If I give you a billion dollars and you can't tell me what happened to it, that to me is wasteful. That, that means you are not. Responsible. But if you can't tell me where it went, then what am I supposed to think? And when there has been reporting, I mean, this is not, look, I'm not, I'm not saying this is on you and that you caused this. But I think it's, it's a tough argument to make that. An eight hundred and fifty billion dollar budget.

• 35:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Funny. It's not so funny. This is American taxpayer dollars. This is, this is deficit. This is future debt for our grandchildren. This is all this and this is, and this is like a chuckle.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  That's, that's actually, I've seen that clip. That's been around for a couple of years, but that just goes to show the point how long we've been missing the audits on the DOD.

• 35:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You just nailed it. It's, it's seven years. I thought she was Deputy Defense Secretary Hicks.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  That was a Kamala-esque laugh, meaning it, it wasn't about humor, Pat. Like she wasn't laughing because she thinks it's funny. That's a defensive and embarrassed laugh.

• 36:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I totally get it. I still don't want to see a laugh. I mean, to me, it's, it's, it's your job. Figure the, figure the whole thing out. Like, I mean, why are we spending all this money? But, by the way. Um, so i- in other words, I have a monthly board meeting with my investors who gave me 10 million bucks. And they say, hey, Pat, what happened to the $10 million? You guys failed another audit. It doesn't mean we failed the audit. It means we just can't figure out exactly where the money went. The spreadsheet's off. I gave you the money, I need to know where it went. I get it, but we didn't fail an audit. Those are two different things.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  We didn't waste it, but where is it?

• 36:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  I can't say.

• 36:48Patrick Bet-David?

  We can't say, it's a magic trick. By the way, this is why, when you put a bunch of free market guys in, they don't speak her language.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Her language is no accountability. The language of capitalism is 100% accountability. You ran out of money, guess what? Go raise money, go raise debt, put some of your own money, or file bankruptcy and shut down the business. What do you want to do? Those are your options. Here it's like, nah, it's not a big deal. Why are you saying something like that? Seven times in a row. Who's your favorite appointment time out of all these folks that we just talked about?

• 37:23Speaker 05

  Really, my favorite, I have to say is RFK Jr. because of the ability to make a few small moves that will be very disruptive. You know, my wife's a teacher. We have strong feelings about the studies that have been out there about the amount of food additives and the things that are in processed food and the impact on attention deficit and things for kids. And I believe he's already making an impact. I love RFK right where he is because he can do just a couple things that I think are going to change. This week, we read about the box of Fruit Loops. Fruit Loops in Canada, so say what we will about Canada, and there's a lot we can say about that maniac and everything up there. But if you look at the Fruit Loops in Canada and the Fruit Loops in the United States,

• 38:06Speaker 05

  where the color is on the product comes from chemicals in the United States, it has to be natural sources in Canada, and they're not as brightly colored. Why is that? Because somebody in Canada said, you know what? These red dye chemicals, I don't think they should be, it's basically a children's food. And so I think there's going to be a lot of steps, but I'm excited about RFK. I believe he's a true believer. I believe he's a researcher. I believe he's informed. And I don't think he's just, he's more measured like an attorney than bombastic running to the microphone. I love that pick for its disruptive ability. I also really like Tulsi Gabbard right where she is.

• 38:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and just and again, piggyback is I have two, Tom. One of them being RFK and what people are understanding. It's like, where's the state of the country's health right now? Where are we? We're the most obese we've ever been. Mental health is out of freaking control. The guy that's in right and they're talking about, he doesn't have experience. Who's the guy that's in right now Xavier Becero? He's a lawyer with zero healthcare background at all. And that's why we're in the state that we're in. And who's his assistant? Rachel Levine, a biological male who pretends to be a woman, who actually was pressured medical organizations to eliminate age restrictions for transgender surgeries. That's who's in charge of our health. And that's number one, so I can't wait for him to come in. And he has freaking blood in the game.

• 39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  The guy's father and uncle were were killed. You know what I mean? Because they're trying to represent our country. And then the other one I think is Merrick Garland leaving. Matt Gaetz coming in. Merrick Garland, one of the worst. Him and Biden weaponized the DOJ to go after parents at school board meetings, labeling them terrorists, okay? And Catholics who are pro-life, all right? That's my favorite one, Pat, is RFK and Merrick Garland going bye-bye? And Matt Gaetz coming in.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  We have to give respect also to Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. But it's not an official department yet.

• 39:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, they will be.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  This is why I'm excited about this. Obviously, we need efficiency in government. But my question is, what's the hammer? That's the big question on that. We can't just have a study. We did that in the eighties with Reagan. We can't just come back with, oh, these are all the inefficient branches of government. And here's our suggestions, Congress, go act. There has to be an enforcement mechanism.

• 40:16Patrick Bet-David?

  They're not that type, though. They're both operators. Play this clip, Rob. They're both operators.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  I want to get your take on how this begins. What are you looking to cut right from the beginning? So first is we want to go right in through executive action to do the failures of the executive branch that need to be addressed. Because the dirty little secret right now, Maria, is the people we elect to run the government, they're not the ones who actually run the government. It's the unelected bureaucrats in the administrative state that was created through executive action. It's going to be fixed.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Through executive action. Think about the Supreme Court's environment over the last several years. They've held that many of those regulations are unconstitutional at a large scale. Rescind those regulations, pull those regs back, and then that gives us the industrial logic to then downsize the size of that administrative state. And the beauty of all of this is that can be achieved just through executive action without Congress. Score some early wins, and then you look at those bigger portions of the federal budget that need to be addressed one by one. So I think that's one way to think about this is, how can the President of the United States, who's been elected with a historic mandate, actually do the thing that the voters have voted for? They haven't voted for incremental change here this time, Maria. We have voted for sweeping change, and the voters actually deserve to get it.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  And we're focused on how to do that as early and as quickly as possible. So President-elect Trump just said on that soundbite that you're going to make recommendations. So you're going to make recommendations in terms of where to cut after all that you've just said. Then what? Look, we're not going to be cutting ribbons. We're going to be cutting costs. And so those recommendations are going to be on a real-time basis. I love that. But I do want to take a big step back and understand, for people to understand the scope of this problem. Over half a trillion dollars that's spent every year right now was not even authorized by Congress in the first place. The Pentagon has just failed its seventh consecutive audit. Nearly a trillion dollars of budget, they can't even tell you where it goes. So I think part of this is exposing for the public the extent of that rot and waste.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  But then to take steps first through executive action, and then laying the groundwork for broader change through legislative-

• 42:16Speaker 03

  You can pause it right there. So not to take too much- I was with Maria that morning. She was having Vivek on. I said, "Please ask him that." This is what I'm talking about. The hammer. So the "then what"? He lays out, Vivek lays out, executive action, regulatory stuff. That's how they can get a lot done. Here's a humble suggestion. Elon Musk has what? What are we at now? $350 billion, something like that?

• 42:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's up there.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  A billion dollars in primary fund support for any challenger to a congressman who does not support real, effective change through legislative action. Some of it is going to have to come down to legislative action. Power the purses in Congress. You can do executive action as Vivek lays out. You can go to the Supreme Court with your Solicitor General and try to challenge the constitutionality of a lot of these things, but you are going to have to get action done through Congress and you got to have a hammer with these guys and that hammer is losing an election and Elon perhaps funding challenges.

• 43:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You just mentioned Solicitor General. Why don't you share in straight up terms for all the people that are listening, the importance of that position because that's not a position people hear about and they don't understand, but it's the gatekeeper to our Supreme Court.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Well, you think it's the Attorney General that would do this, but he's got a bigger job to handle. The Solicitor General is just the guy that goes right there in front of the Supreme Court and makes the case. He argues. So I don't know if you've ever listened to him during Obamacare, big ones, you can, they stream all that, the Supreme Court. C-SPAN. Yeah, yeah. And he's the guy you're going to hear arguing it. So he makes the case, makes the oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court. I think I have enough experience dealing with Stephen A. Smith and others. So I think this is going to be my job.

• 43:49Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's a big deal. The right cases get in front of the court and now we have the right court to hear it. It's great. But again, when you hire doers, things get done, but they have to also learn it's slightly different than business. In business, you make a call, you call the shot, people move. In politics, you can't call and it gets done. You got a certain process you got to go through where the speed is slower. So how they adjust as entrepreneurs in a very slow business and how they get it done is for Elon to get up there and say, oh, really? You want to do this? No problem. Hey, this guy here who's a congressman in this area, don't reelect him because of da-da-da-da-da. He's going to have that kind of power.

• 44:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You do not want that hammer to come to you, which he's going to be doing. By the way, the one job that I think we're not, you know, maybe there's plenty of great jobs that we're talking about, very important guys that are on in here. I think the Chief of Staff is the person that's in your ear that you're talking to where you get to ask the question of what do you think? What do you think about this person? What do you think about that person? The way that she set it up to say, look, I don't need any detention. I don't need to speak on stage, but allow me to close the door. They have to come through me. Don't keep that open door policy the way you did in 20... 16, let me flush some of this out. Suzie Wiles. Yeah, Suzie Wiles. I, I, I think she is. She's so understated, you do know who her dad is, right? Of course, summer all, yeah. But when you, when you are, when you are an operator,

• 45:18Patrick Bet-David?

  a type A, a D on the disc, and a guy that gets stuff done, and you find a Suzie Wiles, it's life-changing. If she's the right person that you trust, things get done and the right decision's made. By the way, do you know what the budget is gonna be for Bobby? One and a half trillion. Do you know who reports to him? Uh, FDA, CDC, NIH, uh, surgeon attorney general, if I'm not mistaken, all of those report to him. Oh, wow. Which means, a, the new Fauci has to go through him, which means if he really wanted to investigate and find out, He could. he's officially a guy that can pull it off. And by the way, Rob, can you pull up this chart, these two charts, if you can pull up, I just texted to you?

• 46:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is how much money we spend in healthcare every year, compared to everybody else out there. Look at us. We are all the way at the top. Seventeen point eight percent of our GDP goes to healthcare spending. Look at everybody else. You see right there, the lowest ones, Korea? Okay, you see eight point eight percent, we're at seventeen point eight percent. Our seventeen point eight percent is one and a half trillion. You would assume if we spend more money than all of these guys in healthcare, the American people would be living longer, right? I mean, that's just, you invest more, we should be living longer. Rob, can you show the next picture that I texted you? So watch this one here. This is us. Wow. Look at where we are. Seventy. Which one are we on that?

• 46:47Patrick Bet-David?

  All the way at the bottom. We are all the way at the bottom. We are the dying breed. Seventy-seven years old. Look at everybody else, by the way. Japan is going. Eighty-four, Korea, eighty-three and a half, and they spent eight point eight. We spent seventeen, eighteen percent of our GDP, and we're at a number like this. By the way, just in. 1980, the discrepancy between us and the average around the world was .9. Meaning, we lived .9 years less. Forty-five years later, forty-four years later, we're living five years less. Jeez. So, everywhere else, they're living longer, we're living five years less than everywhere else in the world. So then, the question becomes what? Where the hell is this money going into?

• 47:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it the lobbyists? When you go through all these things that you look at, these foods that are not allowed in EU, in Russia, in other countries, but we're allowing it here, why we allowing some of this cereal, ketchup? The way fries are made in US versus UK, you ever seen this, how we make it here? It's just... Rob, can you pull up McDonald's fries made in US versus UK? And where they store the potatoes, you hear about where they store these potatoes? Oh, with the chemicals and they house them for weeks on, oh, it's ridiculous. Just go to the left one right there, zoom in a little bit. Okay, yeah, if you can, okay, check this out. This is us versus UK, alright? Look at the amount of preservatives we're putting in, look at what they're doing. Simple. You go to...

• 48:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's, and we're still both using the oils, the vegetable oils, instead of the beef tallow from the old days. Yeah, we are, meaning even UK is using some of that, but the point is, if Bobby gets in, and he starts saying, "No, we're not gonna be doing this, no, we're not gonna be doing that, no, we're not gonna be doing this", lobbyists are officially having to find a way. These companies are gonna have to spend a lot of money to go after Bobby and those guys, because when you look at the stock right now, what do you see with the stock? Here's what you see with the stock. Vaccine stock hit by Robert, Bobby Kennedy nomination. Rob, do you have the clip on this, or is that an image they were gonna show? Because it's yellow on there. I also have a clip. Can you play the clip on this? Vaccine stock, why would vaccine stock take a hit? Oh, weird. It's interesting, right? Play this clip, Rob.

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• 49:27Patrick Bet-David?

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• 49:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Shares in global vaccine makers fell sharply on Friday. Markets were spooked by US President-elect Donald Trump's pick to run the Department of Health and Human Services. He's chosen Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has previously spread misinformation. Here we go. There it is. Kennedy, who is a vaccine skeptic, has been criticized for making false medical claims, including that vaccines are linked to autism. Several medical scientists on Friday said they were alarmed that vital vaccination efforts could be undermined. Shares in Britain's GSK were down over 3%. You've got another one here. Processed food stock drops after RFK announcement.

• 50:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Stock of major processed food companies dropped significantly after Bobby Kennedy was picked as the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Nestle and Kraft Heinz reached 52-week lows while Pepsi-Cola fell nearly 4%. Coca-Cola dropped 1%. General Mills dipped 2%. Campbell's Soup dropped 3%. Trump described Kennedy's appointment as a step to combat the industrial food complex. Industrial food complex and its deception, misinformation and disinformation on public health. Kennedy criticized US food safety standards, pointing out that the additives like potassium, bromate and bromine in the vegetable oil banned in Europe are still allowed in the US and stated enough is enough.

• 51:03Patrick Bet-David?

  President Trump and I are going to stop the mass poisoning of American children, accusing Democrats of neglecting to address these issues despite their healthcare platform. Pretty wild to see this taking place.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  So, you've had smart people on this show. I know that. You have them every week. So you've heard a lot of this. This is a vicious cycle that we can all can analyze. How is it possible that we're spending more percentage-wise GDP on health and getting worse results than everyone else? First of all, it's the input. It's the food that's making us sick and obese. And then, we do not actually have a health-based society. We have a medicinal-based society.

• 51:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Bingo.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  Once the problem is there, we treat it with pharmaceuticals. Get this medicine, get that medicine. And I'm sure if we went around this table, we're all guilty of it in some degree. We're taking something, for some reason, from vanity to what's prescribed as health to us. And that is market, industry, countrywide. And that cycle, by the way, is not virtuous. It's not perpetuating health. Get sick, get fat, take this medicine. It feeds a beast of money that does not produce real health outcomes. That's what RFK's tasked with. Look at that cycle, right there.

• 52:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom. Well, you know what's interesting is the stock market is based on subscription. Whether you believe it or not, it's based on subscribers. Now, you may have a contract for your cellphone. You may have a contract for your cable TV. But all brands and companies want recurring revenue, with the emphasis on recurring, because that's how you drive the stock market. And this medicinal-based society, and I love the fact that you called it that well, is to create subscribers, not cured people, not healthy people. I want to create a diabetic subscriber for life, that you'll wear the thing, a little meter your insulin for life. Don't worry about your weight. Don't worry about health. Don't worry about seeing if maybe your health-based diabetes can somehow maybe be reversed

• 52:54Patrick Bet-David?

  if you were to get more healthy and then find out if you could be at a recovery point? And what would your true diabetic status be at that point? You know, it's possible, not impossible. Instead, we want subscribers. And so, the pharmaceutical industry wants subscribers. They want a pill for your ill, and they want America to be in the mindset of two things. One, it's not your fault. We'll get a medicine for that. And two, the microwave society. I want instant gratification, want it to fix. No problem, we have a pill for you. So, that's the way it is, because...

• 53:26Speaker 03

  You know what the perfect drug that illustrates this is? And I don't begrudge people that are taking it. It's Ozempic. It's the perfect example of this cycle. That one drug. Oh, the shit we fed you made you fat? Here's a drug that will now take the fat away.

• 53:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Just keep paying this baby.

• 53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly. And this is the reason I use the diabetic. So many people are selling it and there's different companies. It's not just Ozempic. I, I, uh, uh, there's.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Multiple brands.

• 53:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Multiple brands that are selling it right now. It's so, so popular across the board. So many people you see like you haven't seen it for three months. You're like, why did this go in?

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Get your.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  You notice nobody says anymore, hey, what are you doing?

• 54:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I know.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  What's your exercise routine? It's like, uh, stolen valor in war. Like, nobody says what you're dieting, how you exercising. We just kind of have to walk around going, could be the pill or the shot, the shot.

• 54:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What's really interesting is I saw, I saw that two clips that just banged around in my head because I'm weird. Number one, you saw Qatar say Muslim Brotherhood, get out because soon as he's inaugurated, we're gonna have trouble. That is a pre-reaction. That is Qatar saying, hey, we're small. We're not like Saudi. We gotta get positioned here. Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, get out of my country because I don't want trouble. Kraft Heinz pulled Lunchables. Lunchables have been, remember those old things? Look at this because of the sodium and chemical content and stuff. And consumers reports came out and said, there is nothing that resembles healthy food in this thing. And Bobby Kennedy gets announced. And so what are they doing? They're pulling it. Why?

• 54:54Patrick Bet-David?

  They're pulling it in advance so that they can get the market ready for the adjustments they have to make in revenue because they're pulling a major product. But there, there is no difference between what the CEO of Kraft Heinz did and what the prime minister of Qatar did. Trump is coming, change is coming, and they're pre-reacting. No, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just, I, I just hope he takes care of himself, Pat, because think about it, you're going after, Big Pharma is no joke. Big, the, the, the food is no joke. And I think the reaction of the American people and these institutions, like, cause some people are getting mad, like, he's gonna come in and change the fries and what it, and it's like, but it's almost as if they have Stockholm syndrome where they've fallen in love with the abuser, which is the government and everything. And now they're, they're defending these people.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  And we're addicted.

• 55:35Patrick Bet-David?

  They're addicted to it. If you're trying to take Ozempic or any of this stuff away from people, they're gonna lose their minds. By the way, here's what's wild. This is Bobby, RF Kennedy Jr., right? Yep. You know on what show? With Morning Joe. Really? What year is it? Scarborough, Scarborough country. Okay, with MSNBC. And they're talking about autism. By the way, you could do this back then. You couldn't do it during COVID. God forbid you brought it up. I got, I don't know how many. If I was to tell you we got five strikes on YouTube. Uh, on autism, I'm giving you a low number. And I think three of them I got because I had him on multiple times and a couple of other guys. If you even had the dispute or the argument four years ago, five years ago, six years ago, YouTube was not having it. Rob, play this clip here. From them having a conversation.

• 56:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't, I don't know what your this is, Rob, if you can tell us what your this is, but it's quite a while ago. Go ahead. My son born in nineteen ninety-one. Uh, has a slight form of autism called Asperger's. But it seems, and again, when I was practicing law and also when I was in Congress, parents would constantly come to me. And they'd bring me videotape to their children. And they were all around the age of my son or younger. So something happened in nineteen eighty-nine. Exactly. The generation, what happened was the vaccine schedule was increased. We went up from receiving about ten vaccines in our generation. To these kids receive twenty-four vaccines. And they all had this thimerosal and this mercury. It's way more now.

• 57:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And nobody bothered to do an analysis of what the cumulative impact of all that mercury was doing to kids. As it turns out, we are injecting our children with four hundred times the amount of mercury. That FDA or EPA consider safe. A child on his first day that he's born. Um, is injected with a hepatitis B shot. Uh, under EPA guidelines, he would be have to have to be two hundred and seventy-five pounds to safely absorb that shot. And, and, and yet we're just constantly pumping our kids with these vaccines. Look at him, what happened to Joe? What happened was that, um, in nineteen eighty-eight. Now, pause that, Rob. And if you can do me a favor, Rob, with this, this is a perfect transition into it. If you can go to.

• 57:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Morning Joe, the clip that's on Twitter, if you go onto my account, the one that shows the before and after Rob, the ones that are right next to each other, just go on Twitter, you'll see both. A clip came up, came out, that was perfect, because you can see them, how they were speaking about it then, and how they're speaking about Trump now. If you can make this bigger, Rob, so we can all see it, perfect. Go ahead and play this clip, watch this, folks. That the news network that is most critical of him should be taken off the air. This is not a reach, I could go back and talk about Nazi Germany and I'd do it, I'd do it without any concerns whatsoever. If people can't start drawing the parallels, well, you're just stupid, or you have your head in the sand, or you're one of them.

• 58:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from so many people, from political leaders to regular citizens, deeply dismayed by several of President-elect Trump's cabinet selections, and they are scared. Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns on this broadcast, and even said we would appreciate the opportunity to speak with the President-elect himself. On Friday, we were given the opportunity to do just that. Joe and I went to Mar-a-Lago- There we go. -to meet personally with President-elect Trump. It was the first time we have seen him in seven years. Now, we talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation, threats

• 59:11Patrick Bet-David?

  of political retribution against political opponents, and media outlets. We talked about that a good bit. And it's gonna come as no surprise to anybody who watches this show, has watched it over the past year, or over the past decade, that we didn't see eye to eye on a lot of issues, and we told him so. What we did agree on was to restart communications. My father and I spoke with world leaders, with whom he and-

• 59:38Speaker 03

  The United States profoundly

• 59:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And just go two tweets down, by the way. To be, are they doing this because they just want to go go a little bit lower, Rob? Yeah, if you can just go lower, lower, lower, lower, lower and right there. This is from Glenn Greenwald. Okay, that just came out. Lots of articles on that MSNBC audience has completely collapsed, disappeared. Once Kamala lost and the and the and the got disillusioned, but the full extent is shocking. The primetime show can't even get 75,000 people watching. And their key demos weekend won't even do 30,000. Click on this thing so we can see it, Rob, if you can zoom in a little bit so we can see both.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  You can triple MSNBC and CNN together. And it doesn't equal Fox.

• 1:00:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You can triple CNN and MSNBC together and it doesn't equal Fox.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:00:24Patrick Bet-David?

  That that makes sense right there. If you put Melbourne Blitzer. 130 times three is 390. That still doesn't beat Bret Baer. You take Reed and Burnett.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  Waters, look at Waters.

• 1:00:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Waters is 568, so 150, 160. Nope, it's 480. It still doesn't beat it. And that's Hayes and Cooper. Keep going lower, Rob. I mean, Tom, when you look at these numbers, 62. Uh, where is Morning Joe?

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  That's just primetime right there.

• 1:00:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That's primetime is what it's showing. Got it. What do these numbers, when this happens, I'm curious, you're in it, right? You're with them Fox. You guys are not accustomed to winning. You've been winning and dominating for a long time. So you guys don't know what it is when your numbers lose.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Well.

• 1:01:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But what would it be like? I guess what I'm asking is. What do you think is going on in there for them to come out and say, we gotta go meet Trump? Is it their decision or did the boss say, if you don't go? And make it good with us, we gotta discontinue the show.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  I've got a couple of thoughts on this. You brought up a guy, I've never met this guy, Scott Jennings at CNN. Never met him. Really, really impressed by Scott Jennings. And I say that coming from a place of experience. I've done this. I was at CNN for five years. I was at ESPN for five years. To be outnumbered, I actually think it's really fun to sit at a table if you three guys. All disagreed with me, it'd be a ball. We'd all sit here and argue and debate. Pat likes it when I'm in that that that mode with Stephen A. Smith. Scott does it so well. He does it so well. He had a clip, and I think you have it, but he had a clip arguing with John Avlon about why the medical, to our last conversation, industry lost so much credibility.

• 1:01:51Speaker 04

  And Avalon talks about disinformation, this and that. Like, no, they lost their own credibility by giving us all bad information through COVID, by continuing to look into our face and lie.

• 1:02:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that it?

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  That's it. I don't know if you want to...

• 1:02:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Play the clip, play the clip and I'll come back. I'm being intellectually honest. There's really no good reason why Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr. should be HHS secretary. An advisor, a confidant, somebody who talks to the president and advises, but there's no managerial experience in his resume. There's nothing that says he is qualified to do this job. This job that is in charge of the health of all of us, all these different lanes. If he has views and has insights around food sources, around vaccines, then those should be given in advisory roles.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  Why?

• 1:02:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, because...

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  Well, what were the qualifications of the previous ones?

• 1:02:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Xavier Becerra. Well, I think it's important to always remember that you put yourself... Say that again?

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  What were the management qualifications? I mean Xavier Becerra?

• 1:02:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not talking about the previous. I'm talking about, I'm looking forward.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  But you're calling into question whether he could actually do this job?

• 1:02:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Absolutely. I think America is now, and I think...

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  And I think it's important to discuss it because Xavier Becerra was just a lawyer and a politician with no management experience.

• 1:02:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So does two negatives, two wrongs make a right?

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  Sylvia Burwell was a Walmart lobbyist. Donna Shalala was a university person. Look...

• 1:03:02Patrick Bet-David?

  RFK Jr. is a nut.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  The fact... Okay, so that's different than what you just said. You just said he doesn't possess the requisite managerial experience, but then we get to the real issue here, which is you want to insult the man, which is your right to do because you opposed him in the election. But you, Doctor, are raising the issues that he has been raising, and I think they're appropriate questions to raise. I don't know whether he can be confirmed or not. The vaccine stuff at the table is obviously going to be the flashpoint of this hearing. But I'll tell you one thing. This whole issue of the CDC and these public health agencies, look, public trust in the health regime in this country is as low as it's ever been.

• 1:03:40Patrick Bet-David?

  But why, Scott?

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Because of COVID.

• 1:03:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Because of school closures, because of mask mandates, because this country was... I'm gonna let Doctor, let him get in on this. But let me just finish. Because this country was drugged through a bunch of condescending and heavy-handed mandates that all turned out to be garbage, and that's why it's low, and the questions are valid.

• 1:03:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And RFK is the answer to all of that.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, but dude, RFK helped promote the assault on the CDC that lowered, the disinformation that led to more than a million deaths, Scott, more than a million deaths in the United States, higher than any other industrialized nation per capita. That's the result of failed policies, the demonization of the conspiracy theories. Whose policies? Under the Trump administration.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  So, so Pat, after an election, Fox's ratings went down in 2020. We, I mean, we need to be open and honest about that after Trump lost. So there's a depressed effect. People that lose elections get depressed and tune out. You don't want to watch when your team loses on Sunday night. You don't want to watch First Take on Monday morning. But if you win, let's hear it, baby. Let's get after it. So some of this for CNN MSNBC is that. But the more important part is what's being talked about in this clip. Loss of credibility for the medical establishment, loss in credibility for media that lied to you for four years. I will hope that this audience that watches CNN MSNBC is asking themselves serious questions about their information bubble because they have received nothing but misinformation and lies.

• 1:04:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but wait, did you see Joe Scarborough's face? None of them wanted, you think he wanted it? He looked like he was dying inside. That's probably the top Rashida Jones, right? She and CEO of NBC, whoever it is, they were told to go there and you nailed it, Pat. 50% drop, but let's not, I'm not going to forget. I'm not taking that. Those people, especially these two, with that rhetoric, causes somebody to go on a roof and be like, you know what? He's Hitler. I'm going to shoot him in his head. Those are the people that are responsible for shit like that. Sorry for my language, and I hope that they're going to fail regardless. No matter what, what are they going to do now? Start reporting positive news, Pat? Are they going to start reporting, hey, Trump's actually not Hitler? It's not going to work, bro. We're not going to listen to it. Look, there's two things going on. One is, there is an underlying reality that's

• 1:05:42Patrick Bet-David?

  happening, is that there is a technology shift and a viewership shift happening among all the viewers. They're turning to streaming. They're watching online. They're watching over the top. They are not locked into a cable subscription and just watching the big four or jumping around the two that they like. That is real, and it's changing the number of viewers that are available to MSNBC and the cable nets in a traditional form. The second thing that's happening is they're losing their credibility. So there's already a shift in where the subscribers are going, so they have to make a Technology shift and where they're gonna be and how they're gonna present the shorter clips, the shorter stories, rather than just two hours of couch potato watching.

• 1:06:22Patrick Bet-David?

  That has to happen, but now you've got Morning Joe, the expiration date of his brand is here. It's upon us. Let me break this down for you. Here's how it works, Vinnie. Yeah. There's one thing you can't ever beat. Okay. You know how you go into the ocean and you think you're stronger than the ocean? Yeah. What ends up happening? It gets you every single time. I tell my kids, I say, no matter, you can bench a thousand pounds, the ocean doesn't care. You're right. It does. You can squat a thousand pounds. The ocean says, really? Okay. Come here, Mr. Thousand Pound. Mother Nature's undefeated. Undefeated, right? Yeah. You can try to beat a lot of different things. You can't beat capitalism. Listen, you cannot. It's just how it is. You can for a few years.

• 1:07:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Eventually, competition's gonna expose you. Why does the market watch people? Think about it. Take anybody across the board. Go Stephen A., go you guys, go MSNBC, go CNN, go podcasters, go anybody. Pick any talent you wanna go, right? It comes to a few different things. One, personality is attractive. Yeah. I don't have to disagree with you, but I watch a lot of people I disagree with because they have an appealing personality. You're like, you know what? I like this guy. Yeah. He's cool, right? Stephen A. and I, you know, we'll have the conversation politically, but I like to watch him. His personality, to me, I like it. Some people may not. I like watching Stephen A. Two, likability. Do you like this person?

• 1:07:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I like this person. They don't come across either you're stupid and let me tell you. Yeah, okay, got it. So that's not likable. Three is knowledge. Do you have some know-how? I'll watch Tom. Tom's got a lot of know-how. Interesting, Tom. That's know-how. I did not know that. I learned something new. Today, here's how this works. You know, everybody thinks about this, but the Solicitor General is the person that goes up in front of Supreme Court and gives the argument, cool, know-how. I'm learning. This is cool. I'm getting smarter. Four, you're fair. I watch him, I'm like, ah, he is fair. She is fair. I guess he's fair. I'll watch him. He's fair. Joe, he's fair. You're like, nah, this guy's fair. People want to watch somebody that is fair.

• 1:08:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Then you got somebody that has unique angles. Man, every time I listen when he's, I, I, everybody's saying something, but man, I never thought about it this way. Right. That was a unique angle. Yeah. I never thought this way. I never thought I was a case. That was unique. Nobody else is saying this. That was unique. He's taking a different angle, so I want to hear what he has to say. Peter Thiel, unique angle, right? It's a different thing. You're open, you're willing to talk to other people, and then you're entertaining. So you take those seven things and you put these guys on a score. Richter scale, you know, golf score, like, dude.

• 1:09:00Speaker 03

  Fail all of them.

• 1:09:00Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  All of them.

• 1:09:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point. So you're sitting here, you're saying, listen, man, you know what? Boom. Change the channel. By, by the way, when you do this, I grew up in Iran. This is how we used to change the channel. Now it's this. And used to be this. Yeah. And now it's not even like that. People change channels on their phones right now is what they're doing. But anyways, let's go to the next story. Tom, Jamie Dimon is being asked question about getting the job that he wants, right? And he answers it in a way, some people are saying he's being genuine, some people are saying, I don't know if he really wanted the job. I think he really wanted the job. Go ahead and play this clip, Robin, and let's react to it.

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  President-elect Donald Trump sends a message to you that he respects you greatly, but you will not be part of the Trump administration as a Treasury Secretary if that were something that were interested, interesting to you.

• 1:09:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I, first of all, I wish the President well, and thank you, that's a very nice note. But I just want to tell the President also, I've never, I haven't had a boss for 25 years. I'm not about ready to start.

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• 1:10:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you believe him? No. Jamie Dimon has had two bosses for the last 25 years. Those are some of the most impressive and foreboding bosses you can have. One is his stock ticker and Wall Street itself is a massive boss. And the second is the Fed. He has had two bosses he's had to navigate. He's had a variety of things he's had to work with his board. Now, does he walk on air like some of the top 10 probably CEOs in America right now? Sure he does. But for him to say, oh, I already have a... That is just, I don't think that's a very well thought out response because he wanted this job.

• 1:11:26Patrick Bet-David?

  He has mentioned to people, these rumors that have happened for the last two years came from somewhere. And I like Jamie. I got a lot of respect for Jamie. I have endorsed him. I've supported him. I've talked about that. I think he's made good calls for the economy. But right now, how would you not want that job? That job is the crown. That is the cherry on top of the sundae. That has been an incredible career of an incredible guy in financial services. Where now you take all that knowledge and you're not just representing the biggest bank in the world. You're representing the biggest economy in the world as Secretary of Treasury. How can you not want that job? He does want it. He's very competitive. And Jamie, come on, you've had two big bosses.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  Well, I think in theory, I disagree with Tom a little bit. I mean, again, this is the theoretical aspect of it. To do what Jamie Dimon has done and then go take orders from Trump would be incredibly hard. I mean, Pat, I don't think you're signing up for a boss anytime soon. Maybe never again. I'm almost certain never again. You're never gonna have a boss again. And Jamie Dimon is a titan of the universe. To think about somebody like that, working under someone, is theoretically very hard. But here's where I agree with you, Tom. He's made all the money in the world he could ever spend and his grandchildren could ever spend. He's done everything that he has to do. The crown jewel, to your point, the cherry on top is a powerful position like Treasury Secretary. I do think he would swallow that ego, take the job of having a boss to be Treasury Secretary.

• 1:12:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you know, it's when you think about, when you think about where he's at right now and the decisions he's making. Where he's already announced his replacement, that the next two years, he's finding his replacement. When you think about the moves he made. Well, I mean, that's a bad move because he had to come back and he had a co-CEO Bob Chay picked up. Give it up, come back. And then, and then when you think about how much more lenient he got with his employees. Hey, you guys have to work 80 hours a week. And I was like, well, we can now do this. And he's not Goldman, he's not Goldman Sachs, but Goldman Sachs is like, hey, you either come in or get out. He's not doing that right now. He's kind of getting a little bit more chill. Maybe he wants some people to like him. Maybe likability to go higher. I don't know. But here's what I would tell you.

• 1:13:35Patrick Bet-David?

  This is probably one of the most ambitious people in America, period, and maybe the most ambitious man in the financial industry. Let me explain. This guy used to be the executive assistant to Sandy Wow at American Express. Let me say this one more time, guys. This guy was an executive assistant to Sandy Wow. Sandy Wow was King Kong. Sandy was Jamie Dimon in the 90s. Okay? Sandy ran Citi. Today JP Morgan is JP Morgan Chase. Back then, it wasn't JP Morgan Chase. It was Citi. All roads led to Citi because of this guy, Sandy Wow.

• 1:14:17Patrick Bet-David?

  What ends up happening is Sandy gives him a, you know, premier job, premier position. Sandy's daughter, I think, is reporting to him or something like that. He decides to promote somebody else and sets his daughter aside. Sandy's wife comes in and says, you can't let Jamie do this, ends up firing him. Jamie leaves. Sandy calls him the worst firing of his lifetime. And then Jamie ends up becoming who? The CEO of Chase. So this is not a regular guy we're talking about. He's running the number one bank in the world. Okay? They, around 7 to 10 trillion dollars of money circulates in Chase every day. Let me say that one more time. 7 to 10 trillion dollars every day that this guy's behind. They're saying a regular guy. He's not sitting there not wanting this job, I don't think.

• 1:15:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And I think for me, when you're a guy like that, you know, if there's anybody that you choose to make the boss at the end, certain things change in life. Uh, when you read Kennedy's book, or if you read Bush's family and you study both of those families. Both of them have something in common. They both say, go make a lot of money. Then go into public service. Because if this country gave you the wealth that you now have, you owe it back to the country. So he's not gonna be working for Trump. He's working for America. He needs to adjust that approach that he's taken.

• 1:15:41Patrick Bet-David?

  If America chose Trump and you love America, Trump is the spokesperson for America during those four years. If Trump knocked on the door for you to get that job, it ain't Trump giving you the job. It's the country that helped you become a billionaire giving you a job, and you have to entertain that job. No matter how cocky, competitive all of us are and driven we are, you have to entertain that call. And I think deep down inside, he wanted that job. And if he doesn't, I don't think Jamie's going away. I think the amount of knowledge Jamie has that can be used in a market for the next two decades is priceless. This guy's relationships and connections around the world is priceless.

• 1:16:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Does he have the swagger to be a one, meaning a president? I don't know. But does he have the swagger and the knowledge and the relationships to be the position that was potentially he was going after? I think so. If it doesn't happen under him, maybe it happens under somebody else. And by the way, who knows? Trump is famous for firing people just because somebody got the job. Now you know what the next thing is at Vegas? Here's the next bet. If you really want to make a bet at Vegas is the following. Who's getting fired first?

• 1:16:50Patrick Bet-David?

  All these guys got jobs? Alright, here's the bet. Who's getting fired first? And who's getting fired the fastest? So January, when is inauguration, by the way? January 20th? Is that what it is? Alright, so let's just say they all get their jobs January 21st, hypothetically.

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  Does Polly Market have this up yet?

• 1:17:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Then the bet is, who's gonna last the shortest time to say, dude, I bet a hundred thousand dollars that guy's gone within two weeks? I bet a hundred thousand, that guy's gone within a month. Nobody knows. When he worked for him, he is a little bit a wild man, so he can make any decisions. Anyways, let's go to the next story here. Tom, I'm gonna come to you first with this one. Who's funding new home purchases? Mom and dad. I'm gonna read both stories, Tom, and then I'll come to you. And then we'll, I'll go to you afterwards. So here's stories, okay? Who's buying? New home purchases, mom and dad. Rising housing costs could lead to an increase in parental support for younger home buyers with 26% of recent buyers using family cash

• 1:17:49Patrick Bet-David?

  for down payments, up from 23% last year, that's a plus three. According to Redfin, parents like Deb Sen say they are giving their kids money each year to help with the down payment. While some like parents in Minneapolis are paying cash for the home outright. Damn. More younger adults are turning to family for financial assistance, asking for cash instead of traditional wedding for or baby gifts. That's actually a good move, by the way. Hey, we're gonna give you $10,000, $20,000. Now, help me buy the house. I like that. And, or moving back from, uh, back home. Census data shows record shares of adults ages 25 to 34 living with parents. And then next story says young adults are holding off on moving out of parents' houses.

• 1:18:31Patrick Bet-David?

  About one in every three adult ages 18 to 34 is living with parents right now. And Gen Z struggles with income and prioritizing savings. Over 50% of Gen Z adults report they don't make enough money to live the life they want, per Bank of America data that they have. Victoria Franklin, 27, chose to live with her mother after college, saving 40 to 50% of her income. Tom, thoughts on this story here? Okay. Here we go. Two logical explanations and a punchline. The two logical explanations are this. First of all, you know, what we saw happen when you print a bunch of money, you cause asset prices to go crazy and housing prices have gone crazy just about everywhere. I think national average, we were up about 37%.

• 1:19:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Places like, um, uh, San Diego and Austin, I think have pulled back 15, 20% off, off peaks. So there's been some adjustment there, but housing is more expensive than it's ever been. Number one, and number two is the building over COVID had a pulse and building is still catching up. As a matter of fact, builder stocks, Toll Brothers, Lennair, Pulte. If you look at the indexes with those, they're doing really, really well. Why? Because they're building like mad, but the supply isn't catching up. And once the supply catches up in the right places, prices will come down in those places, areas because there's more homes available. So that's the first logical explanation from the printing of money that increased home prices to COVID and we didn't build for a while and now we're building at a record

• 1:19:53Patrick Bet-David?

  place and we got a bunch of people moving into America. I wonder from where? Different topic, different topic. So you have a supply and you have a demand issue is keeping the prices up. First logical explanation. Second logical explanation is what's happening here is mom and dad are advancing their inheritance. Most inheritance in this country is tied to the value of the home. There is more, you talk about baby boomers with a billion dollars, a million dollars in their IRA. That's not typical. Most people are getting the inheritance in the form of less than $200,000 in savings, but the equity was in their mom and dad's home. So they're advancing that inheritance here. That's the two logical explanations

• 1:20:35Patrick Bet-David?

  that's happening. It's really happened. Here's the punchline. 33% of young adults under the age of 34 are still living in their parents' home. So parents are saying, what if we just advance the inheritance a little bit to get this jerk off the couch and into his own place? So parents are actually getting kids to move out using part of the advanced inheritance. You got a little bit emotional. Was that personal? Are you going through that? Or is that your concern? No, no, no, no, no. You got good kids, Tom. Don't throw them under the bus on live podcast broadcasts.

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, one of them I've been watching.

• 1:21:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I once told my dad I'd never move out of the house and he said, you little bastard, don't ever threaten me like that. So it was, so it's. Will, what are your thoughts on this?

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  So you took it from the financial angle. I'm going to take it a little bit from more of the societal and philosophical angle. Pat, I follow you. We have something in common that you may not know, but that is our kids are very into soccer. I see you post about it on Instagram. You talk about a lot of the, a lot about the psychological requirements to become an elite soccer player. Both of my boys are very invested in soccer, played at high levels and we talk a lot. This is the conduit through which I talk to my sons often. Like I use it as a metaphor for life, as you do. I've watched you talk about this, like resilience and effort that you put in, technical skills built up over a multitude of years. By the way, as another comparison between the two of us, I was really inspired by what you said at the start of the show. I'm going to be watching tonight of where

• 1:21:58Speaker 03

  this show was in 2020. It's where we are today on the Will Kane Show. We're about 40, 50,000 live on the Will Kane Show. So I'm excited to see where we'll be in four years. Maybe if we follow that plan that I will learn tonight. What I'm tying this psychological thing into this. We are, over the broad span, a wealthier society than we were 50 years ago. What did people do 50 years ago? They tried to set their kids up for a future that included, "Maybe I can help them pay for college. Maybe I can help them with this start in life." Housing has gotten to be a very difficult step in life for young people. If parents can help with this, I don't think you're violating the types of things I see you talk about when it comes to soccer or other aspects, which is we can't create entitled kids.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  We can't create kids that don't know how to work for it, who aren't hungry. That's the balance for everyone. How do I give and set you up for future success without turning you into a softie? And I think sports is a great way to talk about that. I think this is a needle to thread. Can I set them up with a house so they can begin the process of wealth building? The other thing I would add to it is, maybe instead of a house, if you've got an entrepreneurial son or daughter, set them up in that first business. Become an investor. Give them their nut to get started on what they're gonna build for the future.

• 1:23:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I love that. And I wanna, I wanna show you a couple of charts that is maybe a different angle than what both of you guys talked about, which is great because the audience wins, because we hit it from all the different angles. Rob, if you can pull up the first clip, go to the first chart, not this one, go to this one. Check this out, guys. In 1970, it took you 2.4 years of saving money to buy a house. Today, we're at seven years. That's just not cool. So we can, we can sit there and be tough on the younger generation and be like, "Hey, you know, you are not disciplined, you're not..." And I used to do that. I'm like, "You're not doing..." But when you go back, it only took 2.4 years, now it's 6... Why, why is this?

• 1:23:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So then, we just did an episode, if you go to the next chart, watch this one here, which is kinda weird. So, not this one, go to the other one right there, watch this. If you zoom in a little bit to the one up top, Rob, zoom in a little bit for the one up top. You know what, if you can, it's okay. So you know, okay, thank you. So, the one up top shows, if you look at the one up top, it shows what percentage of homes we built that were 1,400 square feet. Look at that. In the 70s, it was 35, 40%. Four out of 10 homes we built were 1,400, less than 1,400 square feet. It's a starter home. "Hey babe, it's just you and I, two bedrooms, let's get a place." And today, look at that. From 40%, the blue's gone all the way down to 5%. Go, go to the bottom and watch this here.

• 1:24:37Patrick Bet-David?

  We used to build 500,000 homes every year, less than 40... Starter homes, entry level homes, we're at fifty five thousand. Fifty five thousand guys. And by the way, this isn't just in the last year. Look at it since when Obama? Oh wait, and it started declining since when? It went down after Nixon. It went up a little bit under Reagan. It went down again at the tail end of Reagan. Stayed flat under Bush and Clinton. Then it went down under Bush slightly. Then really declined under Obama and we've stayed at fifty five hundred, fifty five thousand a year. By the way, here's what's crazy. During this time, if we go from seventy till today, nineteen seventy, I ran some numbers on this.

• 1:25:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Population was two hundred million, we're at three forty. So we've increased a hundred and forty on two hundred, which is seventy percent population's increased, which means this needs to be instead of five hundred thousand per year, needs to be eight fifty. But we're at fifty five. So we're expecting these young kids to go buy a house that a forty five year old needs to buy that's been in their career for twenty years at twenty eight years old. Kid is like, dude, what do you expect me to do? I don't have that kind of money. Seven hundred thousand dollars, I cannot afford it, right? And then you go to the next chart and you look at what BlackRock and these other guys are doing. This is deeply concerning. Watch this. This is what the investors like BlackRock and others used to invest in homes. You know, all these other things and the orange is low price homes they would buy.

• 1:26:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Green is mid price, blue is high price. Look at the one they're buying. They don't care about mid price. They don't care about high price. They're buying low price. And now one every, one, one out of every four low price homes is owned by an investor like BlackRock. You think they're buying it because they want to flip? No. They're not trying to flip. They're trying to say, we're in a rental season, guys. Forget about buying a house. Just come and rent from us. We're gonna keep this long term. And by the way, here's what's crazy. Do you know in many cases what they're paying for these properties? So imagine this, you're buying your house that's on the market for two hundred thousand dollars. BlackRock comes in and says, what do you have it at, two hundred? What's the number on this property right now if we run the comps?

• 1:26:48Patrick Bet-David?

  About one ninety, we'll give you three hundred thousand dollars. What? Yeah, we'll give you two fifty, three hundred. Are you serious? Yeah. Well, Mr. and Mrs. Jones offered me one ninety-five, and me and Mary were gonna consider it. Forget about them, we'll give you two fifty. Oh, here you go. Wow, what a nice company, BlackRock is. I'll take that additional fifty. And they're thinking, this is fantastic. No. This is what's going on. So for us, and you're gonna see where I'm going with this, Tom. I'm sitting here thinking about a solution for this. Because right now of America, like, this is, this really concerns me because we run an agency, sixty thousand agents. And our audience, they wanna, you know, I used to be a regular guy, my dad's a ninety-nine cents store cashier. Do you know what percentage of America is developed, like, urban, like, people living there?

• 1:27:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Eighty-two percent of Americans live in two percent of land. Eighty-two percent in two percent. Which means what? What's going on with the other ninety-eight percent?

• 1:27:40Speaker 03

  We have a lot of land.

• 1:27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Eighteen percent live in ninety-eight percent. How often are we on a flight and you look down, you're like, damn, bro, there's so much.

• 1:27:47Speaker 03

  Real estate.

• 1:27:48Patrick Bet-David?

  What is this small little town? Right? How often do we do that? Right? Watch this. Tom and I are playing poker in Arizona or Nashville. I actually don't remember where we were at. We were at this INC five thousand conference.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  Oh, it was Phoenix.

• 1:28:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Phoenix. We're at Phoenix, having a great time with Mayor Moss from Frisco. It was a three-term mayor of Frisco. And he starts talking about Frisco. I'm like.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  Texas?

• 1:28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, from, I said, Tom, what is Frisco? Rob, can you pull up Frisco's population in nineteen ninety?

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  You know, this is where I'm from. I, I watched this happen. I'm not from Frisco, but thirty minutes away.

• 1:28:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so check this out. This is Frisco's population nineteen ninety, only sixty-five hundred. Okay? Rob, can you go pull up Frisco's population today? Go type in Frisco's. No, that's not a good Frisco. Frisco, okay, if you go twenty twenty-four, go to twenty twenty-four. Frisco's population twenty twenty-four, look at this. Two hundred and thirty-four thousand people today.

• 1:28:38Speaker 03

  Home of the Dallas Cowboys, Dallas Stars, Texas Rangers, minor league, FC Dallas, PGA.

• 1:28:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Jamba Juice, all these other guys, right? Okay. They're within shouting distance of their own, uh, US representative. Guys, how the hell did this happen?

• 1:28:51Speaker 03

  When I grew up, Pat, a Dairy Queen and a brothel. That's it. That's it.

• 1:28:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Great city, fantastic, right? First you go one place, then you go get to Dairy Queen. Get laid, grab a sundae, work that bowl. Work that bowl. But you know, well, you know what the point is? Here's the moral of the story. If somebody from the Trump administration is watching this, let's just say. And say, okay, what do we do with this? California, everybody used to live in LA. I can't afford to buy a house in LA. By the way, in 1990, the average house in Frisco was $58,000. You know what the average house right now is in Frisco? Six ninety-nine. From fifty-eight to six, how many people you think can buy a house in Frisco today? Okay, $699,000, $672,000 last, okay, $672 today. $672,000, it used to be $58,000. Moral of the story. Tom, when people couldn't afford to live in LA, where did they move to? The Valley.

• 1:29:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Or a little bit north of that, Valencia. Or they would go, or if you lived in Orange County, you went out towards San Bernardino. That's right. But you go out.

• 1:29:49Speaker 03

  This is Orange County, by the way.

• 1:29:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I know.

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  What you're looking at, Frisco.

• 1:29:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Or you went toward Thousand Oaks before Amgen caused the prices to go up, but you went out. Now they're looking at Prosper. Now they're looking at other places.

• 1:29:59Speaker 03

  You used to own the newspaper in Prosper.

• 1:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you?

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:01Patrick Bet-David?

  That's where Deion Sanders's house is that he put him, yeah.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Now it's behind a supermarket.

• 1:30:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So I think, I think a part of this. I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm of the kind that I don't even want to allow the younger generation to have an excuse because I never wanted it. Like, we grew up with nothing, we still couldn't figure out a way to make it work. The right people got to figure out a way to make it work. But it's ours, our job to make the country a better place for the next generation. I think we got to take that fifty-five thousand starter homes we're building to a million for a few years because we're, our home shortage right now used to be 2.3 million, we're at 7 to 8 million. What are we talking about? There's plenty of land. Some investors need to sit there and say, guys, fourteen hundred square feet starter home, $180,000, come over here, 2.4 years to save your money.

• 1:30:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Put a down payment, get in here, you and your wife, let's grow the city, let's create some jobs. Maybe drive thirty minutes to your job, maybe drive forty minutes to your job. We'll bring more businesses, when we do, you'll get the job here in town. And then we'll develop, da-da-da-da-da, sell the vision. I don't know, if I was a governor, if I was a president, or if I had a job like that, this would be a very, very interesting direction to go because the younger generation will love you forever if you create the right policies and opportunities. For this. It's my thoughts. Tom. I completely agree with that because right now what it what is happening is that the older neighborhoods are the ones that and I don't mean old crepit. I mean, the older neighborhoods are the ones are getting bought up. It's like if you look

• 1:31:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You're going after older population like like Nanas and like older people are crepit? Nana should be recycled, you know.

• 1:31:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Respectful podcast. You're going after. There's children. Edginess today. Do you know how many people need organ donors? Damn. You're so funny. We gotta, we need, we need a supply. We're short of kidneys. So the older communities. The older communities are the ones that get bought up. And that's where these, you know, seventeen hundred, two thousand square foot homes are that Blackrock owns big blocks of that become your rental communities. And that's, that's reality where it's happening. And when you get upset at a mayor or a governor who says, hey, you know what, um, up in Boynton Beach, I'm going to give a tax incentive for somebody to put two thousand jobs in here.

• 1:32:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't get upset at that company. Put those two thousand jobs there because now you've got jobs out of the big urban areas of Fort Lauderdale and Miami. So that you can have goods jobs there for people could live in areas where the home is less expensive. So if you go further and further and further out, the debate becomes, oh, you know, carpool lanes, transit, rail. How do these people get to work conveniently so that they're not spending their life in commuting? And so I think when you hear governors that are trying to make this mix and you complain about a tax incentive for a business to move jobs out to where these houses are, you should shut up because you don't know what you're talking about. That's exactly where we need the jobs out near the, the homes that cost a little bit less.

• 1:33:01Patrick Bet-David?

  And we need to incentivize, you know, building, you know, back towards city centers where there's been industrial areas that have been, you know, reconstituted. You, you can look at case studies all across the United States that they did in Pittsburgh. They have a bunch of very affordable condos, townhouses downtown. I agree. And by the way, there's something about being part of building a, you know, a town. But by the way, I think Fort Lauderdale is going to blow up. I think Fort Lauderdale is going to blow up. And here's why. They need a new mayor. They, they, well, we're going to help with that, but I think Fort Lauderdale is going to blow up. And I'm going to tell you why I think Fort Lauderdale. Fort Lauderdale is gonna blow up. The reason why I think Fort Lauderdale is gonna blow up is because guys in Palm Beach can't afford the houses there. Guys in Boca can't afford it. Guys in Miami are like, listen, I gotta figure out a different place.

• 1:33:46Patrick Bet-David?

  They're gonna come here. Fort Lauderdale in the next 20 years could be the LA of Florida.

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  I think so too.

• 1:33:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, because Miami is Newport Beach. Miami is not LA. People think Miami is LA. Miami is Newport Beach. Miami is, Miami is Highland Park. Miami is, you know, Miami is a different, but I think this place, Fort Lauderdale, and obviously will help turn it into the element of the media side, Burbank of East Coast, but that's exciting. But let me go to the next story here. Here's the next story. Talking about Hollywood. Ben Affleck. I watched in a movie, The Accountant, one of my favorite movies this guy's done. It's a frickin' amazing movie. This guy, forget about his politics.

• 1:34:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He, in my opinion, whether you like it or not, I love the way this guy acts. Sometimes I don't think he's acting. I just think he's being himself and he's tapping into challenges, upbringing, whatever he had. He gave an analysis. Have you seen this, Vinnie, or not? No, I haven't seen it. Vinnie, you have to see what he says. He gives a breakdown on AI going into Hollywood in ways I've never seen anybody explain. And just listen to the way he presents his argument, like a lawyer. Rob, go ahead and play this clip. Um, I wanna, as we kinda wrap up here, I do wanna come back to AI. Jerry, you mentioned it, but you know, Ben,

• 1:35:12Patrick Bet-David?

  how did, you know, earlier, you guys weren't here, we did a demonstration, my colleague Andrew Sorkin and I, recreated ourselves and our voices. How do you see it? I mean, is it a benefit or is it a real threat? Is it possible that a Netflix could say, you know, we're gonna do our own, excuse me, James Bond thing out there with a bunch of actors that are completely recreated? For this market or that market, I. A, that's not possible now. B, will it be possible in the future? Highly unlikely. C, movies will be one of the last things, if everything gets replaced, to be replaced by AI. AI can write you excellent imitative verse that sounds a little bit, it cannot write you Shakespeare. The function of having two actors, or three or four actors in a room,

• 1:35:54Patrick Bet-David?

  and the taste to discern and construct that is something that currently entirely eludes AI's capability, and I think will for a meaningful period of time. What AI is gonna do is gonna disintermediate the more laborious, less creative, and, you know, more costly aspects of filmmaking, that will allow costs to be brought down, that will be lower the barrier to entry, that will allow more voices to be heard, that will make it easier for the people who want to make Good Will Hunting to go out and make it. Look, AI is a craftsman at best. Craftsman can learn to, you know, make stickly furniture by sitting down next to somebody and seeing what their technique is and imitating. That's how large video models, large language models, basically work.

• 1:36:37Patrick Bet-David?

  A library of vectors of meaning and transformers that interpret in context, right? But they're just cross-pollinating things that exist. Nothing new is created. Not yet, not yet. Yeah, not yet, and really, in order to do that, look, craftsman is knowing how to work, art is knowing when to stop. And I think knowing when to stop is going to be a very difficult thing for AI to learn because its taste, and also lack of consistency, lack of controls, lack of quality. AI for this world of generative video is gonna do key things more mea- I wouldn't like to be in the visual effects business, they're in trouble, because what costs a lot of money is now gonna cost a lot less.

• 1:37:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's gonna hammer that space, and it already is. And maybe it shouldn't take a thousand people to render something. There you go. But it's not gonna replace human beings making. It may make your background more convincing. It can change the color of your shirt. It can fix mistakes that you've made. I should really like the way he's presenting it. You can pause it right here. Vinny, your thoughts on this? First, Pat, that audio guy, horrible. I just, that's bothering me. You're in the business of sound and how do you screw up the mic and put it the way you put it? Yeah, but go ahead. He's fired. He got fired. But, uh, no, but I, I, I agree with, uh, Ben 100%. I agree with the acting, Pat, too. And it's like, that's what's the, that's, what, what has been the problem for the past 15, I want to say 20 years? There's no, well, there's no, everything is Avenger. Oh my God, I can't wait for the ninth one to come out.

• 1:38:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's visually, but when's the last good movie, good acting, Pat, that you've seen? Like, when's the last time you were like, oh my God, this is like one of those movies? I say, uh, uh, not, not like a wonderful movie. I watched the red one with The Rock that just came out. You know, the, the, the movie that just came out? Him and Hall, Halliday, what took the boys? You know, when I go to movies with these kids, they make fun of me because I, it's my opportunity to sleep. I take a 30 minute, I'm not even kidding with you. I love movies because you and I, we've been, we've been through this many times. But I actually stayed up for the entire movie and I texted the DJ and I told him, I said, listen, phenomenal. The kids were ranking the movie and they're giving them a grade on text. Oh, really? Hey, Dwayne, I thought it was an 8.75. Would you watch it? I would watch it again.

• 1:38:46Patrick Bet-David?

  It was an action movie. It was good, but are you talking like Born on 4th of July? Are you talking about like Armageddon? Are you talking about stuff like that? Yeah, I'm, I'm talking about good, good acting where there's real emotion and he, and he makes a great point. There's so much that a, a, a robot can do and the visual effects and the graphics. But like real, simple, emotional, human emotion movies, you know? Like you said, Good Will Hunting, Scent of a Woman, even Little Miss Sunshine, movies where you like, you get, oh my God, like, but, but all those movies, you get emotion, you get attached to these people. I don't think AI is going to be taking actors roles, but the behind the scenes stuff, like we talked about, Pat, the editing, the visuals, all that, those people could be concerned, but as, especially as an actor, that, that's a good, that's a really, really good sign and very, very well. What did you think about what he said?

• 1:39:31Speaker 03

  Three things in the style of Patrick Batdavid or Ben Affleck, A, B, C. A, I think Ben Affleck is an incredible actor. I don't care about his politics like you when he's in some. Something I probably am clicking on it to watch. There's a few of these guys, the highest of which is Denzel Washington. I don't care what he does. I will be watching. Ben Affleck is in that category. He's a really, really good actor. B, movies are way too expensive and that's because of capitalism. Capitalism is the best system of economics we've ever developed, but it doesn't mean it's perfect. In pursuit of the dollar, you get sequels, you get known quantities, you get characters, you get repetition. As he points out, you've lost the goodwill huntings of the world. They're cheap to make, but they're not guaranteed blockbusters to make money on the back end. That cost comes down with AI. We can now get more entry level movies. We get better art.

• 1:40:17Speaker 03

  C, this is the most important one, and I'm going to explain why. The AI limitation is deep and this is about like talking about the God particle. Or where creation comes from, both on a universal scale and within each one of us. Where do we get inspiration? Where do we begin the process of creation? That is not part of AI and I don't think it will ever be part of AI. That is deeply human. To begin the process of something, not as he points out, combine things that already exist. You can do the mathematics and you can do the AI and scientists ultimately get back to the God particle. Yes, but what is the soul of the thing, the universe, the beginning, whatever it may be. And it leads you to faith. It leads you to the existence of God. I think it applies on the human level as well.

• 1:41:01Speaker 03

  What happens when a human being sits down with a blank piece of paper? Something has to happen that AI cannot do yet. And I don't know that it ever will be able to do because all it is to his point is accumulation of knowledge. And there is some creation in taking two ideas that are seemingly unrelated and putting them together. But there is something unique to the human experience that he's talking about that will not be replaced by AI. Thoughts?

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• 1:42:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Only at McDonald's for a limited time. Pricing participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing. I agree. AI can take what is known and do it faster, more efficiently and better. Because if you take a look at it and you back up, what is AI? Well, AI is nothing more than taking large language models, which is basically big stacks of existing, pre-existing and done, finished, resolved stuff. Assimilating it and then bringing it back. You teach it to program, it programs faster. You teach it to assimilate facts, it assimilates facts best, uh, better. You teach it about the, the framework for a narrative, it'll take facts and build you a narrative better and faster.

• 1:42:45Patrick Bet-David?

  But what it won't do is it won't create. And people say, well, it creates a document out of those facts. No, it created a better document out of the known facts. It created a more, uh, smoother and faster code out of a known structure. And you asked it, build me the code to make an app that very simply does this or this, even more complicated. What it doesn't do, and you call it the god particle, it's a creative part. The creative part of humanity, it, it, it does not scan the universe and say, wow, what if we gave people a microwave oven? A microwave oven would help them save time cooking, right? It, it doesn't think that way. That's not the way AI works. There's a lot- What would Musk say to us?

• 1:43:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Meaning, you, you remember the, the, the one, uh, uh, sit down that Musk had with Jack Ma? Rob, can you go pull up this clip with Jack Ma and Musk? Uh, if you type in Jack Ma and Musk, I don't, I'm sure you guys have seen this. Where, uh, uh, can you zoom in to see what it says right there? I just want to see what the, uh, uh, zoom in so I can see the words, Rob. I'm 46 now, I'm not 30. Okay, there you go. Uh, I can't, that's in Spanish, Rob. Okay, right there. No, right, that one's good. That one's good, Rob. Rob wants, Rob not only wants me to-

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  I needed some eye drops for the show.

• 1:43:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, go to that one, Rob.

• 1:43:59Speaker 03

  You guys gave me some eye drops in Spanish. I don't know what's in my eye.

• 1:44:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the one. Watch this, folks. Watch this.

• 1:44:04Speaker 04

  I hate the word AI called artificial intelligence. I call it Alibaba intelligence.

• 1:44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Look at Musk. Might, might end up being true. You never know.

• 1:44:15Speaker 04

  It's so difficult to predict the future. Ninety-nine point nine-nine percent of the predictions that human being had in history about the future, all wrong.

• 1:44:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Including that one?

• 1:44:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Only, you know, the- The zero point

• 1:44:31Patrick Bet-David?

  See little kid.

• 1:44:32Speaker 04

  Zero zero percent of the prediction are right.

• 1:44:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what, you know what that look is? You know what that body language is? Yeah, but it's also true that any percent of statistics are false.

• 1:44:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, so my meaning is.

• 1:44:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Come on, guys, it's a joke. No, no, he's realizing.

• 1:44:47Speaker 04

  Uh, actually, I'm not interested in Mars.

• 1:44:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Level of intelligence. No, you can keep playing it because it gets to.

• 1:44:52Speaker 04

  I just came back from there, so. I'm more interested on the earth, the things, what's going on happening here. So what, why you so curious about Mars? Just the one step you go to Mars, but you will never be able to come back.

• 1:45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:05Speaker 04

  So that's my view.

• 1:45:06Patrick Bet-David?

  That's how it works, though.

• 1:45:07Speaker 04

  And.

• 1:45:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right here. Okay, so watch this. The guy to the left is worth sixty billion, give or take, probably more today. Type in Jack Ma's net worth, Rob, if you could. Jack Ma's probably worth anywhere between fifty-five to hundred billion dollars, you know, depending on what the market is right now with Alibaba. Let's, okay, oh, well, he's lost some money. Guys, let's start a GoFundMe for him. Yeah. Seven or five bucks. Okay, so he's worth twenty-four billion dollars. Go find me in CCP. Now, here's the thing. That is a perfect example of where one guy sees the world from a different lens, and the other guy sees it from a different lens. A German philosopher once said, if a lion could speak, the world could not understand him. So,

• 1:45:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon Musk, if he was to be sitting here, he would say, you guys are naive. What would Elon say to Ben Affleck? Would Elon say, are you out of your mind? Do you know the stuff that we're building? The types of stuff these guys are gonna be able, be able to write? And the types of emotion they're gonna be able to put into this? I don't know. But what I think is, if, if you and I thought Google was sick the first time somebody came, I'll never forget the first time somebody came and said, did you Google it? I said, what the hell is that? Go to Google dot com. I went to Google dot com. I'm like, oh, this is bullshit. They're just copying Yahoo. Look at this, two O's. Google, Yahoo, OO, they're just trying to be Yahoo. It did, this is just, this is not gonna do anything. Yeah, watch. But this is just a box. Yahoo has Yahoo Horoscope.

• 1:46:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yahoo has Yahoo Finance. Yahoo has Yahoo Sports. There's no way Google, Google something. We're like, wow. That's crazy. And then the first time somebody said, ChatGPT. And then somebody said, why don't you write a rap song of Tupac and Trump combined? And you're like, damn, that was actually pretty good, within 30 seconds. So, I don't know. I think only the paranoid survive. To be fully there to think that AI today is the best version of AI we're gonna get. I would, I would say, stay paranoid, stay nimble, because you have no idea the limits that technology has.

• 1:47:16Patrick Bet-David?

  And often, when we are part of the camp that think our, you know, whatever we're doing is so, we're so amazing, that we're always gonna be needed. Here's a talent, here's an artist, the argument that Ben Affleck's making, and I, I wanna agree with him. I wanna agree with the fact that he's saying, you know, the, the, what do you call it? This, the, the special effects guys, they're gonna get destroyed. You don't need a thousand people to design this, I'm gonna be able to do it within an hour, and I'm gonna give it to you, spit it out. Maybe a better background, but who knows? We're gonna find out in 10 years who's right. Whether a guy from Musk's side, or the other side. Rob, I wanna go to a couple of the stories before we wrap up. Okay, so if you can go to Twitter, go to my Twitter, Rob. Just a few days ago, we saw this.

• 1:47:55Patrick Bet-David?

  New York Times, Biden allows Ukraine to strike Russia with long-range US missiles. With two months left in office, President, for the first time, authorized Ukrainian military to use the system known as the ATA-ACMS to defend its forces in the Kursk region of Russia. This is when? This is 17th, today is what? 19th, two days ago. Go to New York Times, 33 minutes ago. Watch this, folks. Ukraine fired US-made missiles into Russia for the first time, officials say. The attack came just days after Biden gave Ukraine permission to use the weapon.

• 1:48:37Patrick Bet-David?

  To strike targets inside Russia. Now, Zelensky comes out and says, "The Ukraine-Russia war ends faster with Trump." Rob, if you got the clip, play this clip. For him to be, "Well, I think Trump's gonna do something about it." If this is the not this one, Rob, it's a, uh, is that the clip that you have?

• 1:48:55Speaker 03

  I do. It's Donald Trump explaining the escalation between Ukraine.

• 1:48:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go ahead, go ahead and play. I think this thing got like 60 million views. Go ahead and play. We have never been closer to World War III than we are today under Joe Biden. A global conflict between nuclear armed powers would mean death and destruction. When did this, Rob? This is yesterday? Unmatched in human history. It would be nuclear Armageddon. Nothing is more important than avoiding that nightmare. How long is this, Rob? We will avoid it.

• 1:49:26Speaker 03

  About six minutes.

• 1:49:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you can pause it right here. Go to a clip, Rob, of, anyways, and this story that I'm saying is the fact that Zelensky is saying it's gonna end faster with Trump, and then he's gonna end the conflict. This is a Forbes story that Zelensky is talking about. It was written all over the place. But Putin in October, or September, made a very clear comment. That if you allow these guys to use these weapons against us, we'll be willing to resort to nuclear, like, we're willing to go nuclear. Putin is saying this. By the way, we're in it right now, live while we're doing a podcast. This is going on. So, somewhere in Russia, Kremlin, wherever it is, Putin is sitting with his handlers and his people saying,

• 1:50:12Patrick Bet-David?

  "What are we doing next?" Will, what do you think happens here?

• 1:50:15Speaker 03

  So I think Biden is playing with fire, but it might not be the raging inferno we're afraid of just yet. Today on the Will Kane Show, I will have Eric Prince on. I spoke to Eric recently, and I asked him about this. Eric Prince is the former founder of Blackwater, incredibly intelligent when it comes to global affairs and warfare. I asked him also about the fact that North Korea is devoting 100,000 soldiers to Russia as well. Here was Eric's response to those two things. That's fodder. North Korea, North Korea devoting soldiers to Russia is basically human fodder on the front lines in Ukraine. Secondarily, he said, "These missiles that are being used are not top-of-the-line stuff. It's not, it's not the muscle the United States could be allowing the Ukraine to fire into Russia." So maybe perhaps not the inferno that we're afraid of, but still playing with fire.

• 1:51:00Speaker 03

  Biden and the geopolitical establishment in Europe and the military industrial complex here has a hard on for Ukraine. They just simply do. And this is one of the biggest reasons the American public wanted to bring in Donald Trump. I have full faith that negotiator, the strong man, the clear leader that is Donald Trump, will be able to keep this from metastasizing into World War III. I think Putin knows it. I think Zelensky knows it. And I think we're headed towards a peace deal, hopefully even before Donald Trump takes office. Because as Tom pointed out earlier, the dominoes are falling. The world sees the next step for the United States and people are from Lunchables to Russia. They're getting the world in order.

• 1:51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So I know what Eric says, you know, the fact that, hey, these are not the best missiles. We're not using our best, all this other stuff. Go optics. Your name is Putin. There's power plays going around the world. You have to seem strong in front of your people. Two days ago, Biden's giving permission. Two days later, boom. The headline says, those missiles have been fired.

• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  And that's why he's playing with fire.

• 1:52:01Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point. So Putin doesn't care if it's a 1990, the highest latest 2024 that they just build with the highest tech, not whatever. Putin doesn't. All he cares is, you gave him permission. He took advantage of it. During the time that we have a president elect Trump, this is your last 60 days that you're doing this? No problem. Tom, what do you think's gonna happen? Well, Russia's been fighting mostly a ground incursion strategy, right? You take a look at it, it's moved the line because this has been a, let's take their land war from the beginning, right? I mean, Crimea and everything like this in response to, and spurred by, you know, Ukraine possibly joining NATO and all those things. So it's historically,

• 1:52:44Patrick Bet-David?

  that's my frickin' land, and NATO is gonna make them join. No, no, no, no, I'm not having that. So this has been a land war. This has not been a, we're gonna drop a bunch of crap on Baghdad, make a point to Saddam Hussein, and then go home and then let them rebuild their country. This is a land grab. So he's been doing conventional. And what he hasn't done, you know, even though you've seen the devastation in cities that have been along the way, he is not Gone to major, I mean, you see pictures today, a major population centers in Ukraine. They look like New York, right? They look like New York. They're largely untouched. He hasn't hit them. And what I worry is what you say is that he's got to make like a statement strike. That he's got to come back with a statement strike, right? Like when, um, what did they try to do north?

• 1:53:30Patrick Bet-David?

  They launched in the Hezbollah and with support from Iran, they lost like 200 missiles overnight, 200 rockets overnight, and they tried to make that statement and they killed a bunch of ducks on farmland. Yeah. But they were trying to make a statement about all these like, to your point, he's got to make a statement and the concern is, what is he gonna do to make a statement? That I'm still strong and not to be screwed with while I believe the world waits for Trump to take power? Because this wasn't the most high tech stuff, but there's an optic that's not good for Russia. I mean, how about this, anything with somebody threatening nuclear attack, to me, it's already a red flag. We're talking about, we were warned about Trump doing all this, they're doing it.

• 1:54:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And that the headline I think is, is, is misleading. Joe Biden, blank, blank, blank, Joe Biden, as we all know, hasn't made any decisions since he's been in, okay? And this is why it's so important about the cabinet that he's picking, Will. That's, this is the most important thing, because who's gonna be, Mark Rubio, we're talking about. Anthony Blinken is in front of a camera, three days ago going, hey, guys, we gotta get eight billion to them before January 20th. They're rushing the money. These guys are in charge. The Blinkens are in charge. They're, they're the ones that are responsible for the 13 dead Afghani, uh, American soldiers in Afghanistan. These are the people, the Tulsi Gabbard, like who's the person that's in right now? Avril Haines? You know, all the spy balloons, all the Russia, how did they not anticipate all these attacking and everything? Meanwhile, you know where Joe Biden is, Matt? He's in the Amazon, dressed like Crocodile Dundee.

• 1:55:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you seen what, all this is happening? Look, look at Joe Biden. Is this a movie scene? Look at this guy. Where'd his shoulders go? Look at like, but look at how, I mean, look at the lighting, everything is good. This looks like a joke. It looks like a, look, you think that guy's making the decisions? It's the Tony Blinkens, it's the Jake Sullivan's, it's all these people that are making all these decisions, last minute. Where's he walking to? Where the hell is he going? That's Crocodile Dundee. You know, you know what it is, though? Think about, Vinny, this is kind of weird to me. And let me tell you why. Let's just say you and I were enemies. Okay. Okay? And I come out to you and we have dinner, me, you and your wife. Okay. And now it's like, hey, we're laughing, we're having a good conversation, all good.

• 1:55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, bro, listen, I know, you know, you took my job four years ago. And I'm coming back and I'm not really taking your job. So I'm really, you should have stayed in it, but they kind of took away your job and I just beat this other person. But, bro, it's not fair what they did to you. It's kind of effed up. And, uh, but listen, respect to you 45 years, you gave, awesome, lots of respect. And I'm leaving, I'm in my plane, I'm going to UFC fight, to go hang out with John Jones and Dana White and everybody else.

• 1:56:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:56:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And then I hear the next day, while I'm talking about, we're gonna create a peace treaty. And we're gonna make Ukraine and Russia get along. You're now giving the green light for them to do that? Huh? Then two days later, Ukraine actually executes on your permission that you gave me? Then I'm Trump coming out and saying Joe Biden is about to cause World War III? What happened to that meeting that we had? So, so this makes me a little bit uncomfortable to know what the hell just happened? I thought we had a good conversation together. So this is either a few different things to me. It's either one, what you said, Joe's not doing it, everybody else that's in there is making a decision.

• 1:56:56Patrick Bet-David?

  They're saying, hey, let's sell a few more missiles, let's cause a little bit more of this that's taking place. Two, maybe, just maybe Biden is trying to intercept of this war being done early by him getting ahead of it. So Trump doesn't get that victory. How, I don't know how you go about doing it the way that he's trying to do it right now. But it makes me very uncomfortable that it happens a day after you and I visit, two days after you and I visit. And I, I thought we had a cordial conversation together and then you come out and do something like this?

• 1:57:28Speaker 03

  Or C, provoking an escalation from Putin that denies Trump the ability to negotiate a peace on the war they want to continue in Ukraine.

• 1:57:36Patrick Bet-David?

  But let me tell you how that works. That, that a guy like Trump's not gonna worry about that. Here's, here's how guys like Trump are wise.

• 1:57:41Speaker 03

  But we're trying to get to Biden's motivation from that meeting.

• 1:57:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I totally get it with you, but what they don't understand is Trump is already probably talking to Putin.

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And their camp is already talking and he's already talking to Zelensky. You better believe they're having those conversations. So they're probably saying, dude. Putin is probably saying, dude, this guy's gonna get in. What the hell is this other guy doing? Get out of the way. What are you doing? Now, what are you doing with all this stuff right now? So I don't know. By the way. If this shit backfires. And Putin's in a meeting right now and he's sitting there saying, you know what? I've had it. Light those people up. Yep. Light them up. If he does. Guess whose? Hands that blood will be on? Biden? And all his? Blinken's? War. All those guys that want this. They're gonna have that blood on their hands. Not anybody else.

• 1:58:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't understand what's going on over here. I don't think it's a good move. I want to finish out with a story, selfish story. A sports story because you know, for me. I love watching you on ESPN. I thought you were fantastic on First Take. Thank you. And I thought you made it more exciting. Like I liked watching you being on there and the fights and all the stuff that was going on. It was you, him. And who was not Skip, but uh? Max. Max, Max Kellerman. I thought it was a great combo, right? ESPN made a massive mistake not allowing some conservatives to be there to give their argument. Massive mistake. All of a sudden I started seeing certain guys disappear. What the hell is going on over here? Why is it only this? But there's a number that came up that I want to talk about. World Series, right there, Rob, if you want to go to it. So World Series drew. Larger audience in Japan.

• 1:59:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Than NBA Finals did. In US this year, okay? The 2024 World Series Dodgers Yankees averaged 12.1 million viewers in Japan. Surpassing 11.3 million average viewers in the US. For NBA Finals. In game five. US drew an average of 18.6 million viewers across. Fox platforms, okay? Making it the most watched game five on Fox. Uh, since 2017. Globally, the World Series averaged over 30 million viewers across North America and Asia. In the US, the series averaged 15.8 viewers per game. The highest since 2017. Game five numbers represented a 58% increase from last year. Rangers, Diamondbacks. Viewership peaked between.

• 2:00:01Patrick Bet-David?

  1115 to 1130. As the Dodgers clinched the whole. Whole thing, right? Now, as a guy who's a Yankee guy, I watched this and I saw the stat here. 2024 World Series, 15.8 million. 2024 NBA Finals, 11.3. Shaq yesterday has given his commentary on it. They're saying they believe the three pointer has destroyed the game. Shaq's blaming Steph Curry and all these other guys yesterday. I don't know if you saw or not, James Harden just passed Ray Allen. He's now second place. Steph Curry's sitting at first place. He's got a thousand more three pointers than James Harden, but yesterday. They're playing against each other and it was a moment that Steph Curry and the two shared together. Why do you think the NBA product is as shitty as it is today?

• 2:00:42Speaker 03

  Let's start with what's so good about the Major League Baseball and the World Series. Yeah. It's obvious, but needs to be stated. You had two effects taking place. One, the two biggest markets in the United States squaring off for the World Series. L.A. and New York. Second, the biggest global superstar in that sport. And that explains the ratings in Japan. Shohei Ohtani for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

• 2:01:00Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure.

• 2:01:01Speaker 03

  On the NBA side, the thing about NBA, and this took place while I was at ESPN. There's a wishful thinking this to the NBA. For years I would appear on First Take and debate people about when the NBA was going to surpass the NFL. There was people that with a serious and straight face made the argument that it was on the path and would soon have bigger ratings than the NFL, which is an absolute joke of a take. It's not even in the same stratosphere as the NFL. And that's honestly, Pat, because of cultural issues. Wish casting the NBA into popularity. I love the NBA. I love all sports. By the way, my teams were in both of those finals. A year ago, the Texas Rangers and this year, the Dallas Mavericks. But the NBA is a niche sport compared to the NFL and their lean into culture and Black Lives Matter.

• 2:01:42Speaker 03

  I truly do believe hurts that product and it will continue to hurt that product. I think that's much more to blame than the three pointer. I actually think that's an entertaining aspect to the game. I think Steph Curry is not just a superstar, but he's revolutionized basketball in a way that will go down in the history books. And by the way, it's not just basketball. He's like soccer. The idea of managing space and off ball movement is the revolution in sports and the NFL, by the way, spreading out defenses. So I don't agree with Shaq. I think the NBA's problem is, A, it was never as big as everybody wanted it to be. And B, it picked one side of the aisle. It said, "We want to be here for this." What turns out to be not 50% of America, but about 40% of America.

• 2:02:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep, and you nailed it. Well, when you have somebody, the face of the NBA, which is LeBron James. I mean, let's just face it. When you have that guy, uneducated, and you can tell every, look at every, Google every time he has a book in his hand, it's always on the first page, as if he's going to read the whole thing. The most divisive, like, race-baiting, bitter, anything that's something happens negative, he always has to go the race, and it's unattractive. People don't want to watch that. People go to sports, Will, as you know, to escape from everything. When I do stand-up, when I do comedy, when I do art sketches, that is for people to get away from everything and laugh and enjoy. When I'm at a basketball game and I'm watching the main guy on there that is just the most divisive guy that, and what sport?

• 2:03:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Name one other person that's like him, that anything, something comes up, he's talking crap about cops. What was that tweet that he did, Rob? Where he kind of, he wanted people to go after the actual cop that legally shot, I forgot her name, Brian or something like that?

• 2:03:20Speaker 03

  McKay Bryant.

• 2:03:21Patrick Bet-David?

  McKay Bryant. He deleted this tweet.

• 2:03:23Speaker 03

  He was stabbing another girl.

• 2:03:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and he was posting about the officer, like, basically like, not threatening him, but the guy did his job. A girl took a knife and tried to stab a girl, and he shot her. I think this is one of the main reasons, Pat, that people don't want to watch the NBA.

• 2:03:38Speaker 03

  Pat, this goes back to what you were talking about, media, and then I think it was underneath the surface of us talking about Ben Affleck. The NFL created a product that's incredibly unique. It's not star-driven, it's laundry-driven. We root, you root, I think you might be a Dolphins fan, but you're going to root for the Dolphins. Yes, you may vassalate if Tua's the quarterback or not, but it's not really about the guy. I root for the Cowboys and the Longhorns, and they change players every three, four years, and it doesn't change. The NBA, and to some extent Major League Baseball, are star-driven enterprises. You need to have the star. Maybe they need to check off the checklist you rattled off earlier, Pat, like, likability. But the NBA saw Jordan peak, that was it. It was driven by one man, you couldn't have paid him enough money.

• 2:04:20Speaker 03

  Honestly, I agree with you about LeBron, but it's been driven now for two decades by LeBron. The NBA Finals, I love him, I love Luka Doncic, I like Jason Tatum. Not a star on the same level as Jordan and LeBron. And if you have a league predicated upon stars, you don't have your star in the final, that hurts your product.

• 2:04:36Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, let me just read this quote that he says, and Tom, I'll come to you. This is what Shaq said. He was asked, you know, what's the reason why NBA's had it hit? He says, "For me, the..." Three-point shot is the single worst thing to happen to the basketball in my lifetime. And let's back it up with a little bit of history. The ABA did not introduce the three-point shot. The ABA absorbed the three-point shot. The three-point shot, as we know it, is a gimmick of a promoter. I would repeat that, folks. It was not asked for by anybody in the NBA. It was the gimmick of a promoter. That man, being Abe Sapirstein, the impresario of Harlem Globetrotters, who founded a league in 1961, called the ABA he hoped would be in opposition to the NBA. That league lasted a year and a half.

• 2:05:18Patrick Bet-David?

  It folded in the second year, but he got a three-point shot because he needed a gimmick. And then the NBA took it. Avon said that there will probably be a four-point shot in my lifetime, and the three isn't going anywhere. And that's the game here. What it does is distorted the game at every level. Tom, your thoughts on this here? We're also talking about, let's, let's talk about, one thing about baseball. You're talking about the country, Japan, that has an amazing love affair with baseball. They have such enthusiasm for it. And it has long been a place where great Japanese players come to the MLB and make big salaries, and a journeyman at 33 can go play in Japanese baseball, or an exiled one.

• 2:06:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Trevor Bauer went there, was beloved. You look at what was going on. They loved him. They loved his antics. They loved the sword. But also, you have to remember, beyond Shohei Ohtani, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, who came to the Dodgers, what is only 26, but he was the three-time Cy Young Award winner, their equivalent of the Cy Young, in Japan. Hideo Nomo had come to the Dodgers long ago. Yu Darvish is with the San Diego Padres. There is a love affair with baseball, but more importantly, the acceptance of Major League Baseball, that it's had this exchange system where, you know, your younger, incredible players can come to an amazing, high-waisted stage in Major League Baseball in the U.S. and make bank, as we've seen. And also, American players go over there.

• 2:06:46Patrick Bet-David?

  When I was growing up, there's a guy named Cromartie, Warren Cromartie. Warren Cromartie, the Hawk. And he went over to Japan and had resurrected his career. For the last four years and he hit these blistering shots over there off the junk ball pitchers. And they loved it. They and it was beloved. So you're also talking about Japan that has had this natural love affair with American baseball. And this was like a triple word score for them. The Dodgers, the Yankees, Shohei Ohtani first, but don't discount the love they have for Yoshinobu Yamamoto, who many of them were very sad to see him come to the America. Oh, couldn't he stayed here for a couple more years?

• 2:07:27Patrick Bet-David?

  But we know he came to the Dodgers and make bank. So there is that beyond all the stuff that's going on.

• 2:07:33Speaker 03

  Look up the Hoff, Rob. That's who I thought of. Andre Dawson. I don't know this Warren Cromartie guy. I know Andre Dawson. Look at that guy. Look at that stash.

• 2:07:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I mean, look, you know, to me, a part of it is the NBA All-Star game sucks, but most sports All-Star game typically sucks. Baseball is cool with the, you know, homerun derby. They change it up a little bit. It's still exciting. But the NBA All-Star, they did it good a few years ago when they had the, you know, fourth quarter was the best defense I've ever seen in my career being played by superstars on both ends. It was like whoever gets to 157 first. Freaking love that fourth quarter. I think it was six years ago. Giannis was against LeBron, maybe five years ago. It was fantastic. But I think today's product is boring. I think players on the season don't play. The way the other day, who's the center from 76ers? What's his name? Embiid is like, you know, he wants to play every other game and I don't want to play.

• 2:08:26Patrick Bet-David?

  It's such a player driven league today that it's no longer a fan driven league and the fans are simply not interested. I don't watch it anymore. I don't want, I, by the way, I was an obsessed NBA guy. I could care less about the NBA. In the finals, I like Luca. I like how he plays. He excites me. He's an exciting player to me. Boston Celtics, super boring team, super boring team. They're like the Spurs. If you look at the Spurs in the finals, they never got ratings. They were super boring. The only ones that they got ratings because they played against LeBron, something like that. Ray Allen, that whole team that they had that was exciting. My team, uh, before I wrap up was the Bills when I first came to the States. Uh, in 1990, I like Thurman Thomas. I like Bibby. I like Bryce Pop. I like Warren Shap. Then I, I, I became a Dallas fan, Cowboys.

• 2:09:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But today, if I tell you who I like today in our family, we root for one guy in the NFL today. And his name is Joe Burrow. And Joe Burrow is number one in yards, number one in touchdowns, number one in touchdown interception ratio. Jamar Chase, number one in yards, number one in touchdowns.

• 2:09:28Speaker 03

  And still can't win.

• 2:09:29Patrick Bet-David?

  And they still can't win. They're four and seven. They can't, they missed, the guy missed two field goals yesterday. Jamar Chase called his ass out. Jamar's probably not gonna be coming back. I don't know how good of a locker room player he is.

• 2:09:39Speaker 03

  You're not an NBA guy. You're a Heat guy, though?

• 2:09:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I was, I was, I was a Laker fan till the day LeBron showed up. A diehard Laker fan.

• 2:09:45Speaker 03

  But I know you're Yankees.

• 2:09:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I am Yankees. I'm all the Yankees. Yeah, for sure. I'm all the Yankees. If the Dodgers play anybody else, I'll root for Dodgers, except if you root for Yankees. If you play against, if you play against the Yankees, you play against Yankees, I'm going Yankees. Anyways, Will, it's a blast having you on. Folks, tonight, again, 6 o'clock PM Eastern Standard Time, VT webinar. Get registered, put it in your calendar, and make sure, we're gonna put the link to the Will Kane Show.

• 2:10:15Speaker 03

  Awesome.

• 2:10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Go check him out, YouTube, Rob, please put it all over the place so they can find it. Go subscribe to him. I've been watching his stuff for years. I just love your commentary and your view and the angle you present. And I think you do a great job. You, you did an interview with The Rock, I think, a year ago, maybe, maybe 13 months, six months ago, yeah. Where you asked him a question, will he be voting the same way again? And he says, I will not be voting. You, it looked like he didn't want to answer that question or be asked the question. But you asked it, and that was a great question to ask because of what he did in 2020 and how he changed his position in 2024.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  Well, let me just, before we go, I just want to say this. I appreciate everything you're saying, and I don't give gratuitous compliments, but I really appreciate the work that you're doing. I've been watching you guys grow. And the specific compliment is, I've seen you do your interviews, you're a great interviewer, but the way you guys have divergent views on this show, you have Cuomo in, you have other guys in, you talk about me on First Take. I love debate, I love the exchange of ideas, and I think one of the few places where you're able to get that today is Patrick Bet-David.

• 2:11:11Patrick Bet-David?

  My man. I appreciate that. Appreciate you, brother. We look forward to having you back on. Gang, take care. We'll do it again Thursday. Bye-bye, bye-bye.

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