Barry Keoghan, Vol. II

Much has changed for Barry Keoghan since his last appearance on the podcast. An Oscar nomination, a remarkable turn in SALTBURN, and a quick appearance as the Joker in THE BATMAN, and that's just the tip of the iceberg! Barry joins Josh at the 92nd Street Y to chat about it all and his new film, BIRD. SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! BetterHelp -- Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BetterHelp.com/HSC ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠for 10% off Uncommon Goods – Visit UncommonGoods.com/podcast/HappySad for 15% off UPCOMING LIVE EVENTS 12/3 -- John David Washington at 92Y in NY -- ⁠Tickets here⁠ 12/18 – Billy Eichner at 92Y in NY – Tickets here 12/19 -- Ben Schwartz at 92Y in NY -- ⁠Tickets here Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Josh's youtube channel here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  I can't look at a bathtub the same way. I have to get in it and put my face to it.

• 0:36Josh Horowitz?

  Bathtub, graves.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Graves. They keep me away from them.

• 0:41Speaker 03

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

• 0:50Josh Horowitz?

  Hi, guys. Hi, everybody. Welcome. I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy, Sad, Confused, we're live at the 92nd Street Y with Barry Keoghan, everybody. Thank you, guys, so much for coming out on a Saturday.

• 1:05Josh Horowitz?

  I'm so thrilled you're all here to share in talking to this young man, who is, I think, the most exciting actor of his generation right now. I'm just gonna say it, just to make sure he doesn't walk off. I need to say nice things. No, no, he knows I'm a fan of his. This guy is collecting great filmmakers like they're trading cards. Let me just run off a few of the folks he's worked with, and this is just like the last six, seven years. Yorgos Lanthimos, Christopher Nolan, Marta McDonagh, Chloe Zhao, Emerald Finell, and now the great Andrea Arnold in this wonderful, wonderful new film, Bird. He's making all the right moves, and I'm so thrilled to talk about this film and his wonderful career thus far. Give it up for Mr. Barry Keoghan, everybody. Come on, Barry. Barry.

• 1:59Josh Horowitz?

  There he is.

• 2:01Josh Horowitz?

  We got two Barry Keogans for the price of one.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Look at those eyes.

• 2:06Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, do you get lost in your own eyes?

• 2:07Speaker 01

  I do, I'm like, sorry.

• 2:10Josh Horowitz?

  No, it's okay, it's okay. Thanks for being here, man.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Hey, everyone.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Can't really see.

• 2:17Josh Horowitz?

  It's for the best.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 2:19Josh Horowitz?

  They're all smiling, though, you should know that.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21Josh Horowitz?

  Congratulations on the new film, man. Bird is extraordinary. I don't know if you heard me, but I was just talking about some of the filmmakers that you've been working with in recent years. What occurs to you when you hear that list together? Because this is kind of like any actor's dream, to assemble that kind of folks to work with.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, when I heard that list, I'm like, I want to do it again. You know what I mean?

• 2:43Josh Horowitz?

  You can, it's okay.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  But you know the way certain filmmakers have relationships with people they've worked with and they constantly, you know, work with them again or whatever? I'm sort of hoping for that, but it hasn't happened yet, you know? But yeah, well, with Bart Leighton, actually, crying when I won, so, you know, shout out to Bart Leighton, Bart Leighton. But yeah, I'm blessed, man, you know? I've learned so much. I was never trained or, you know, done anything like that. So my whole education about film and that came through film. I mean, educated in different ways as well, like, you know, I kind of grew up with it. But yeah.

• 3:32Josh Horowitz?

  So I want to start by talking about Bird, which is this fantastic film from Andrea Arnold. It does occur to me before I talk specifically about Bird, of those filmmakers I just talked about, a bunch thankfully are female filmmakers, and I don't know if that's a coincidence or not, but like, that's sadly a disproportionate amount compared to what most actors work with. Has that been something, do you gravitate towards a certain kind of energy?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  I do, you know? I was tucking to care, full-time care, when I was at least 10, 11. I need to get that age right, by the way, like, you know what I mean?

• 4:03Josh Horowitz?

  Records, yeah.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  My granny and I had to be looking, going, no, it wasn't that age. But I was tucking to care in around that time and... We had my granny and my granny's daughter, my auntie and her daughter. So three really strong women.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  That all moved into the same bedroom to give up their room for me and my brother. So I was raised by, I'd like to say I was raised by those three women. And, you know, I learned my disciplines and my principles and, you know, to lift the toilet seat up.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  You know, just stuff like that. I, through that, you know, this whole thing when people like, you know, be a man and all of that kind of stuff. And, you know, I'm like, what the fuck is a man? Because like my granny was that, like a father figure, animal to figure for me. You know, better than any man. So I learned my kind of, my traits and my ways through her. And she's tough as nails, man. I mean, she had 10 kids, like, you know what I mean? Second tough. But, yeah, so I do gravitate towards filmmakers, female filmmakers.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Because I find myself, you know, and just getting a perspective of it, I find myself, you know, the shoulders dropping a little and I'm allowed to be a bit more vulnerable. And it's not really a conscious thing. It's just, I find myself going to further places.

• 5:35Josh Horowitz?

  Is your granny still with us?

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:38Josh Horowitz?

  What did she make of what's?

• 5:40Speaker 01

  The films.

• 5:41Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I mean, what percentage has she seen? Has she seen Saltburn? Has she?

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Okay, listen, she's seen it way before everyone, when I was a toddler.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  So it's nothing new to her. But, yeah, I remember seeing Killing of Sacred Tears and she's like, that's weird.

• 6:03Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, accurate, that's accurate.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  It is weird.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Or like, you know, she'd, you know, pick up on other little things and I'm like, but what about me? Like, you know?

• 6:14Speaker 01

  But, you know, I remember them watching Dunkirk on the TV. They didn't go to the premiere and they, they're like, we watched your movie Dunkirk. I'm like, great, go see on the big screen.

• 6:25Josh Horowitz?

  Just as Christopher Nolan wanted on your TV.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  But, you know, there's a naivety and an innocence to it and, you know, a humbleness to it as well. You know, I'm still Barry, you know, still, you know, make your bed and say please and say thank you. And, you know, all these sort of kind of things I always thought.

• 6:47Josh Horowitz?

  One of the first times we chatted at length was during that whole Banshees run. It was fantastic. And I remember actually you mentioning Andrea Arnold.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:55Josh Horowitz?

  Clearly that was about to happen soon. And you were very excited.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:59Josh Horowitz?

  And, and most actors would be because if you've seen Fish Tank, American Honey, any of her work, she elicits these amazing naturalistic performances. Her approach is very, very

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:11Josh Horowitz?

  unique.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  It is. I didn't know what this movie was about until I seen it at Cannes. I was like, it's about a board though, all right? And I hadn't seen any boards in it.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  I was like, where the fuck does this board come in? She's like, my name is Bug. Board eat me? I don't know. What happens?

• 7:31Josh Horowitz?

  But wait, to define it, isn't there a script?

• 7:33Speaker 01

  There wasn't a script. Still never seen a script.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  But it's a credit to her and like, you know, it contradicts that thing of, I gotta read it for us and see does it relate? Nah, you know, send me a log line, I'll do it. Like with Andrea Arnold, like, you know, and you got Chloe Jow, all of those filmmakers that follow that list as well. I have such confidence and belief in, you know, the stories they're trying to tell. And, and I'd sign on because I know it's gonna impact me on, on, on a human level, but also elevate me as an actor selfishly.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  But I remember meeting her in East London and we were getting fish and chips and, you know, it was the most East London I've ever seen, East London. You know, it was just, it was just perfect. And she gave me like this sticky apple, you know, and she's like, take this home. I was like, yeah? And like, I was going back to Scotland on a plane. I had no bags, I just had this sticky apple.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  I'm going through the airport and I'm like, "Sorry lads, I just gotta put this through." And they're like, "You can just throw it out, you can eat it now." I wanted to hold that apple because I believe in rituals and, you know, stones and stuff like that. Until I got to part, you know, the apple rotted, I kept it. It smelled, I was like, "Just tell me if I got it so I could throw the fake an apple out."

• 8:56Speaker 01

  An apple a day, eh?

• 8:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Just take my jacket off.

• 8:59Josh Horowitz?

  Please. Something that struck me in watching the movie, wasn't even watching the movie, it was watching the credits to the movie. The credits of the movie run.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Look at that.

• 9:08Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing, look at that. That's Granny's influence.

• 9:14Josh Horowitz?

  The credits on this movie have names with no assigned roles. And I feel like that speaks volumes. Is there a democracy on set, a little bit of like, everybody is there as a contributor on equal footing?

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were just like dragging people in, I mean, they weren't really, I think it was a... You know, she has this ability and I'll say this, you know, it's... She cares so much for the people that's working for her and puts them ahead of herself. You know, she looked after me so much and I lived with her for like two weeks. I always do that, I live with people, I film it, it's crazy.

• 9:51Josh Horowitz?

  Colin Farrell, right?

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. And always eat their food. You know, she used to make me sausage sandwiches and I loved it, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think that's why I stuck around. But she looked after me and, you know, wanted me to feel comfortable and and just cared about my well-being and, you know, and all these things because it was a process we were gonna get into. And I told her, I was like, "Look, listen, we're breaking like, you know, walls here in the sense of, you know, I'm signing on because I want this new adventure and this new approach and..." To be dropped in with non-actors and to to search and discover and, you know, instincts and

• 10:35Speaker 01

  and then we kind of knew it was gonna be a bit of a process. So I lived with her and she she looked after me and and she's just, you know, it's you forget the cameras there, you really do. There's no after action and court, you know, everyone's scrambling back to their trailers that like we don't have trailers, you know, so which is great because it keeps that consistency of that flow, you know, that finding it. And again, the the the community, everyone accepted her and she has this ability of getting this trust from people and making them feel safe, you know, and making them feel like they can be open to to putting a camera on them and so, yeah, it was um it was just there. It was it was gorgeous.

• 11:19Josh Horowitz?

  Does the do we're gonna show a clip for the folks that haven't seen the film yet, but do the circumstances of this resonate with you on any level to your own childhood? Not the specifics, but but broadly speaking, do you feel some touchstone, some connection with the characters in this to your own upbringing?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to play with bugs a lot. No, I didn't. I hate spoilers, by the way.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  But in terms of me and bug, yeah, I mean, I think we all see bug. You know, we see people in bug and that's why we relate and, you know, because I I see my uncle in him. I see I see everyone in him like this selfishness that's no bad intention, like, you know, it's it's just wrapped up in your own what I want, what I need. And and there is an innocence to it. And but, yeah, I definitely did. I seen I seen myself in him. And, you know, I seen a lot of myself in him and that's what I'm saying. It was a learning curve and it was a therapeutic kind of process of.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  You know, going shit, I'm a selfish fucking, I really am, like, you know what I mean? And, but yeah, that's what I love, like, I love working with really strong filmmakers because you get to learn about yourself on so many levels and also elevate as an actor.

• 12:39Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, and nothing keeps you probably more honest than young performers.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 12:43Josh Horowitz?

  And, and the young actress.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  And, and yeah, being around Nakia and, you know, Jason and I'm fascinated just observing them and like why they made that choice or, you know, what got them to that level and, and not to ask them, not to make them feel pressured, but, you know, I'm, I'm so interested in authenticity and, you know, you know, just kind of choices from the gut. And, because that's where I started and that's where I came from. And if anything, I want to help protect that for them and nurture it, you know, and, and, and not let them go and make choices out of pressure or, you know, these other reasons. And to just kind of be there for them.

• 13:27Josh Horowitz?

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• 16:54Josh Horowitz?

  Harder to get all those tattoos done or go through the prosthetics for Joker? Which would you rather do?

• 16:59Speaker 01

  You know, I've got ADHD, I don't know if anyone knows, it's all over the fucking internet. I move so much and I actually take medication for it, but it's, um, to sit still for that long is really hard for anyone, but especially for someone with ADHD. And so we had to break it up. And it was, yeah, the hard thing was, was staying out of the sun because it was in the summer and then the sun catching the tattoos and then leaving sun marks around you. So even when you took the scorpion off, you'd have a scorpion on your face. And people be like, or like the cross, you know, you'd be at the gym and it'd be like a cross. And they'd be like, this fucking dude is...

• 17:43Josh Horowitz?

  Something went wrong.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? This saint, sitting in the sun, they're going, hey lads, fake tattoos, sorry. And like, there's no tattoo, it's just like a white mark with a cross. You know, evil spirit.

• 17:57Josh Horowitz?

  I was gonna say, this guy really wronged somebody in another life.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  When you start like praying in the sun, it gets weird then.

• 18:04Josh Horowitz?

  There's, um, for a film that's so improvisational, there's a fair amount of like, um, songs that are recognizable. Do you have to clear those in advance, like Coldplay and Blur? Like, how does that work?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  I know where you're going with this. Um, but, uh, you know, I know what you do. Uh, you do have to clear them and, uh, yeah, you've got to listen to them a lot and, you know, I'm, I'm a big fan of all the songs and Lucky Man is one of my favorite songs. You know, it's a very dad song, but it's also a song that I actually don't believe in luck, ironically, and it's one of my favorite songs. And I like to call it the unlucky man. But, um, yeah, you got, you know, Andrea had a playlist and, but I tend to stay away from all of that, you know, if someone's like, listen to this, this, like, I don't wanna be...

• 18:56Josh Horowitz?

  Wanna find it your own way or...

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, like even mood boards and stuff like that, I wanna kind of find, I wanna see what my vision is and what I bring to it. But yeah, it is a good answer.

• 19:07Josh Horowitz?

  What about, I've heard you say, obviously you've done some dancing in film, dance again in this one, that you don't fancy yourself a dancer?

• 19:15Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:16Josh Horowitz?

  So what's going on? Why is the world, the world wants you to dance, Barry.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  It's crazy that, I don't know, that went everywhere. Wow.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  It really did. That will never leave me. A place in my head 24/7, you know.

• 19:33Josh Horowitz?

  What is your relationship to?

• 19:36Speaker 01

  But no, listen, you want about dancing in...

• 19:40Josh Horowitz?

  In this one?

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Oh, in this one, okay.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, again, you know, the effort of dancing. I've said this before, but like the effort of watching someone trying, trying to dance, or someone trying to sing is very attractive for me. I'm like rooting for them and I'm like just in awe of them. Not to say, just to say that if you can sing, it's not attractive. It's very attractive if you can sing as well. Just want to say that.

• 20:09Josh Horowitz?

  Noted, okay.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  You know?

• 20:15Speaker 01

  But...

• 20:16Josh Horowitz?

  I'm on your side, Barry.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? But if you can sing, it's also very attractive if you're trying to sing.

• 20:23Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  I don't know whether people look at me if I'm trying to sing, oh, that's attractive. I just think it's, it's attractive on film when someone's trying to learn to dance or, you know, for the wedding and you're like, God bless his soul, like he's getting that step so wrong. But his heart is in it.

• 20:36Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So we left space open to learn these steps and sort of kind of be off a little.

• 20:43Josh Horowitz?

  Is a full-on, is the next step full-on singing dancing musical? Would you want to do like a traditional?

• 20:48Speaker 01

  I love La La Land, you know? I do.

• 20:51Josh Horowitz?

  It's the best.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  You know, I watched it with someone recently and it was, I was just like, can we watch it again?

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Loved it. I loved them and Shazelle, but like, you know, what they'd done in that movie was just, it was just, I was just so subtle, but like, you know, made you look at LA in a different way and made me fall in love with it a little bit more and, you know, that romantic attachment you have to it.

• 21:18Josh Horowitz?

  The best musicals are, end sadly, I'm sorry.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  And weirdly, I was like quoting Ryan Gosling before I even seen it. I was like, I've said this.

• 21:27Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, so this was your first time seeing it recently? You hadn't seen it?

• 21:30Speaker 01

  I'd seen it before, like when it came out, but like, couldn't really...

• 21:34Josh Horowitz?

  So what have you been quoting inadvertently from Ryan Gosling?

• 21:36Speaker 01

  There was, there was a, oh, he said something like, I know, I know these things.

• 21:42Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  And I've said that.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Doesn't mean that I've always knew these things, or they've always been right, but like I've said it, I've true out there, like I know these things. And when I said it to the, like, when I was watching it, and I was torn and said it, I was, I've said this to you.

• 22:04Josh Horowitz?

  Um, we're gonna hit some, uh, greatest hits on your relatively young but amazing career. Uh, we've talked, I want to talk again about Killing of the Sacred Deer, because Yorgos is a master.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  That's a weird film.

• 22:14Josh Horowitz?

  It is, yeah.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Quote my nanny.

• 22:15Josh Horowitz?

  Quote from, yes, exactly. Credit where credits do. But that must be a moment, I mean, when you, what do you recall of being on set? Do you recall of kind of like, I don't know, achieving a kind of comfort zone? You're opposite Nicole Kidman and Colin Farrell, you're being directed by Yorgos.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 22:31Josh Horowitz?

  Did you feel like, I can hold my own? Did you have imposter syndrome? What was your sense on the set of that one?

• 22:37Speaker 01

  You know, like, never imposter syndrome, ever. I do get star stroke and I do, like, still to this day, if, like, I'm in awe of someone, I'm like, oh my god, massive fan, sorry I can't talk, sorry my eyes are twitching right now. Um, and they're like, calm down, bro, it's cool.

• 22:53Josh Horowitz?

  Any examples?

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Um, there's many, I'm not gonna embarrass. But like, everyone I meet. But, uh, you know, it was sort of like that, but minutes after it, you just realize you're there on a collaborative experience, same as Colin, Nicole. And I didn't know the way of working with Yorgos. Like, you know, who's such a genius, and again, he's another person that I would sign on without even reading a logline. Um, and again, he's such a hero, he cares so much. Um, but I didn't understand, like, you know, he's like the modern day Kubrick to me. You know, he's just a genius.

• 23:34Josh Horowitz?

  Is one of the lessons of that, because when I think of that, it's like, and a lot of the performances in a lot of his films, is like, he strips so much away.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:41Josh Horowitz?

  Has the actors strip it down.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:42Josh Horowitz?

  And it's almost banal seemingly, and yet it's so powerful, like, and you know, the tendency can be like, more, I want to get more and more.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  I remember watching The Love, so like, I'm not even messing, ten times almost, you know? And it's one of those movies, I'm like, oh, have you not seen Love? And they're like, no, I'm like, oh, we have to watch it. Even if I watched it the night before with someone else. Um, but I was just fascinated with the worlds he created and made them so. You know, you just visioned more going on outside of it. And so, yeah, it was, it was, I was very grateful for that. And, you know, I got to be weird and, you know, and all my little isms come in and people love it.

• 24:20Josh Horowitz?

  So good. Uh, on the flip side, and again, we're gonna set, we're gonna, this is the story of your career. We go from one extreme to the other. And your character in Dunker couldn't be a different kind of a character. And again, the company of actors and in close proximity, you're on that boat essentially with Mark Rylance.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:36Josh Horowitz?

  And Killian, who you just worked with again, I know. Um, again, what do you, what, what do you remember taking away from those two actors?

• 24:43Speaker 01

  I was like, is this boat getting smaller? It's getting smaller. It was like shrinking, you know, as the weeks went on, I was like, we were just spending too much time together. Everyone. Um, but that was, again, that was Chris Nolan, like, you know, he looks at his monitor and no one else sees it. And it's like a Nintendo DS. It's like, it's not even high tech and you're like, he's like, he's like, yeah, we got it. I'm like, you got it? You sure, like, you know, these are planes flying over. You don't need to see this on a, a, a clear screen. He's just such a visionary and he's like, knows what he wants. And it's, um, it was just an absolute joy to be around and, and working with Killian, who I love.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  And, you know, getting to, to have the crack with Killian and Chris be like, all right, enough, let's go. You know what I mean? We'd be laughing away and talking about ridiculous stuff. And he's like, all right, enough of this now, let's. And but again, um, you know, just again, you, you get perspective when you step away from these things. And, you know, when you're in it, you just.

• 25:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  You forget it.

• 25:49Josh Horowitz?

  You have this amazing history also of manifesting several things in your career. Uh, the first one I want to bring up is, I think it was back in 2013, you tweeted at Stan Lee.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:58Josh Horowitz?

  Make me a superhero.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  I did.

• 26:01Josh Horowitz?

  Um, and then you end up in Eternals.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  I did.

• 26:04Josh Horowitz?

  Um, so that's crazy. Let's just put that out there.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  That's some superhero shit going on, yeah.

• 26:11Josh Horowitz?

  Did you ever meet Stan? I don't know what the time was.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  I didn't, I didn't. Um, I would have loved to, I heard he was such a legend. But again, you know, I remember tweeting that and I don't know what I'd watch, but I'd always try to tweet stuff to manifest it. And, and I have a little note, notebook and, you know, I've, I've manifested some crazy stuff. You know what I mean, the universe doesn't know about, oh, this is good or this is bad. It just goes, oh, this is what you've been thinking? Boom. It's like, oh shit.

• 26:40Josh Horowitz?

  Here's a wrinkle I didn't even realize in our past conversations related to the superhero thing. So then in 2015, you shot a short film playing Spider-Man.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:52Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know if people know this, this is on YouTube. You can watch this.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:55Josh Horowitz?

  It's crazy. It's a good, it's a good audition slash short film. Were you putting it out there? Was that when they were casting the new Spider-Man? Like, what was up with that?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  I think so. I think that's what happened. They were casting new Spider-Man. Again, let me just get this straight. No one beats Tom Holland in Spider-Man, honestly. But, yeah, I found a little Spider-Man costume in a pound shop.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Remember like, you know, going out to film that and my granny going, where are you going with that? I was like, I'm making a short movie, you know? Spider-Man, gotcha.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Gotcha. She's like, just go.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  But, yeah, I just always, always made short films or I'd done it for Chloe Jair with the Eternals. I went into like, you know, some sort of green area and made it look like the Amazon and that habitat. I'd done it with Dunkirk. I pretended to load a gun, which was a remote with batteries. It wasn't a scene from the movie, by the way, but that's what they wanted. And I was like loading this remote, you know, off frame, making it look like a gun.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  I've done it with a few things.

• 28:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you did. I mean, we talked about the, you did the Riddler and you ended up with Joker. I mean, that was one.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Exactly. That wasn't even an audition. I just done it. And, you know, it's just using your mind and your imagination. And, you know, it can go completely the opposite way, though, because they can be like, this is not what I want. You're so far away from it.

• 28:25Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Don't send that in. You know what? Block. Yeah.

• 28:31Josh Horowitz?

  Is that what happened on Spider-Man? Did you get a real audition or no?

• 28:34Speaker 01

  I didn't. I didn't. So, yeah, maybe.

• 28:39Josh Horowitz?

  And what, I mean, compare that to where you are now, where I imagine you probably don't have to audition.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  It's not even that I don't have to. It's like, I enjoy the process of it. I enjoy the process of, you know, getting a group together. And the difference with now and then is I know a lot more people and a lot with a lot more cooler cameras.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  You know?

• 29:00Josh Horowitz?

  You've got production value, yeah.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  And a gadget, so the tapes look even better.

• 29:06Josh Horowitz?

  Hey, Chris Nolan, can you film my, uh?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's a, so it's just a process of getting everyone together and, you know, when you get everyone together, like, again, it's like being in the bubble of film and everyone is there and everyone has probably suffered the same stuff that, like, I've kind of suffered where it's like made being feel weird or like this is not a real job. So we all share that thing in common of like, we're here to make something that we all vision and be silly and, you know what I mean? So it's always good when you get a group together, even to make a little tape. Like, time is, you don't even count time and it's just pure enjoyment.

• 29:49Josh Horowitz?

  We were, we were on a tangent. I was talking about Stan Lee and I just want to finish, put the bow on Eternals. Because I feel like Justice for Eternals, what happened to that crew? Marvel has not utilized the Eternals since. I can say that. You're not allowed to say that, but I'll say that on your behalf.

• 30:08Josh Horowitz?

  Do you still have any hope of playing that character again or do you feel like?

• 30:11Speaker 01

  You know what? Everyone like, you know, again, getting to work with Chloe and I was like, I seen the writer and I was like, oh, I want to work with Chloe. And the next thing was, was the Eternals and, and again, they're making like these massive movies and, you know, with these incredible fucking actors and, and so, yeah, I wanted to be part of it. I remember reading and being like, yeah, I want to be part of this and I want to, you know, chatting to Chloe, getting to bring this sort of composed, you know, I think she mentioned Anakin Skywalker, like this sort of like, you know, very reserved and wolf mentality of just moving smoothly and, and it was really, really, um, it was a part I've never done, you know what I mean?

• 30:55Speaker 01

  And she made it so realistic in this world. But yeah, Druug was fucking great, man. You know what I mean? I was like, why you making my eyes go? Like, leave them blue. That's the power.

• 31:08Josh Horowitz?

  Save some money on visual effects. Yeah, exactly.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Just let me talk.

• 31:17Josh Horowitz?

  I didn't hear necessarily an answer on your hope for the future, but I'm gonna guess.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  The Irish accent is powerful, by the way. I'm just gonna say, Irish accent is powerful. Like, the Irish accent, it's powerful. It's like, you know, you don't realise until you hear your fellow Irish people chat and film, and you're like, that's a gorgeous language.

• 31:34Josh Horowitz?

  Would you rather act in your own accent, or?

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Sounds hysterical over there.

• 31:41Josh Horowitz?

  Would you rather act in your own accent, or adopt another accent for a role? Do you find it freeing sometimes?

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Adopt another accent, yeah. But, you know, there is, like, Bored is my own accent, and, you know, I'm not gonna give away what's coming up, but... Yeah, I don't have my own accent for a bit, sorry.

• 31:56Josh Horowitz?

  What's your favourite other voice you've assumed in a role? Well, just, would please do.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Hmm. See, I'm gonna give it away if I say it, because I haven't shown it yet.

• 32:09Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  But, yeah.

• 32:10Josh Horowitz?

  Is it the Trey Edward Schultz film, or the Trey Edward Schultz movie, or some of your shot?

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I haven't shot it yet.

• 32:17Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:18Josh Horowitz?

  Collective, ooh.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Ooh, what's that?

• 32:23Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, what the...

• 32:24Speaker 01

  You know, it's hard to do an Irish accent. Like, in Banshees, I struggled with that.

• 32:28Josh Horowitz?

  Well, let's talk about Banshees, okay. So, how did that, how did that character read on the page? What was the, what was the tough part about playing Dominic?

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Poor, sweet Dominic. Honestly, though, you know, honestly. Just a little pure soul.

• 32:44Josh Horowitz?

  I know.

• 32:48Josh Horowitz?

  She could have just said yes to him, made him happy.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  I know, but then it would have been something else, you know, or whatever. But, um, that was a joy with Martin McDonagh. I mean, I remember meeting Martin at a Fox party, and him being like, "I have this part for you." I'm like, "Yeah?" He's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I watched Love, Hate." I'm like, "Love, Hate?" I'm like, "When did you see that?" Like, you know, I don't picture my performance in Love, Hate being in his sort of world, if you get what I'm saying. And, and he wrote this part for me. And I remember calling going, "Yeah, Martin wrote this part for you." I was like, "Well, send it." You know what I mean? "I'll do a short film for it."

• 33:25Josh Horowitz?

  Exactly. Graham, get the camera out.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Whatever. But he, he sent it and it was just beautiful. It was gorgeous and, you know, I wanted to make him, you know, sort of a... I watched, what's he in Gilbert Gray? But I watched a few of these movies where, you know, just these characters were so pure and... And, but yeah, his writing, that whole shoot, you know, it was in Ireland that I'd not seen even. Like, you know, I'm like, fucking rainbows and leprechauns everywhere. I think I seen a unicorn at one stage.

• 34:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  I know.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  But it was, it was like, you know, so magical and it's just beautiful. I remember there like, there was a rainbow and Colin's like, "Get the rainbow." Colin ran over to the rainbow, "Shoot the rainbow." It was like, you know, they were just popping up everywhere. And, but again, it was a chance to show range.

• 34:19Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  I think prior to that, or coming out after that with Saltburn and I was gonna sign on to that. And, and I knew that I needed something sort of innocent.

• 34:30Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, staring those two scripts, you're like, this'll prove...

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Same with Dunkirk and Sacred Deer. Like, I wanted something to contrast completely different. And, you know, selfishly as an actor, that's what you wanna do.

• 34:41Josh Horowitz?

  No, I get it. And it actually, it brings me to Saltburn, which is such an amazing performance. And when I think of it, what you don't anticipate, obviously, making something like that is like the meme-ification.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah, now I do.

• 34:55Josh Horowitz?

  Now you do?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Now I'm like, this is gonna be a meme. Or a TikTok.

• 34:59Josh Horowitz?

  Which kinda sucks, cuz you don't wanna do a role and enter a scene thinking like...

• 35:03Speaker 01

  That's where we're at, though. That's where we're at. It's a shame, honestly. It's a feckin' shame.

• 35:09Josh Horowitz?

  So like, when you're in that and you're trusting, and there's a lot of trust there, obviously, for a script like that...

• 35:14Speaker 01

  I can't look at a bathtub the same way. I have to get in it and put my face.

• 35:20Josh Horowitz?

  Bathtub, graves.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Graves. They keep me away from them.

• 35:25Josh Horowitz?

  Just ornate, ornate houses that you might want to dance through.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Mansions, yeah.

• 35:32Josh Horowitz?

  But, I don't know, I mean, talk to me a little bit about the trust that is needed to go to those kind of places for someone like Emerald. Like, are you a trusted, because I've heard you say in another interview, you're actually not necessarily a trusting person sometimes.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  No, I'm not, I'm not.

• 35:46Josh Horowitz?

  You clearly did on that shoot.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  I've got massive trust issues. Honestly, like, it's, yeah, and it's, it's only evident where it comes from, but, you know, it's, when you do connect with a filmmaker, and like Emerald, who's fucking great, and I remember meeting her, and her telling me so, like, being so excited, and I was like, "Yeah?" And I was, she's like, "Yeah, yeah, I want you to do this," and she was telling me that she had Jacob in mind, and I was like, "Great." It just took a lot, like, it took a lot for me to think about, you know, because on paper, you're like, "This is a role of a lifetime. You go from this journey to that." But I was like, "I'm gonna show so much of myself," literally. That wasn't even written into it, actually, that, so I close on dancing around in the script.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  But I'm gonna show so much of myself and stamina, you know, and Brando was on the way.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  So there was a lot, there was a lot going on, and I'd never had a lead role, like, so I was like, you know, there was a stamina that was gonna be required, and, but I was up for it.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was...

• 36:57Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you kill it. It's an amazing performance, man. Although Murder on the Dance Floor must be ruined for you forever. It's that...

• 37:03Speaker 01

  I was like, "This song, man," you know?

• 37:06Josh Horowitz?

  Do people, like, try to engage with you?

• 37:08Speaker 01

  When it comes on, I'm just like, "Hey."

• 37:10Josh Horowitz?

  I would imagine that happens. You're in a bar, does somebody be like, "You're gonna love this."

• 37:14Speaker 01

  When you see, when you see how he acts when we play this, watch, he spazzes out.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  "Hey, turn it off."

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• 39:01Josh Horowitz?

  I want to talk about an all-too-brief but wonderful performance in The Batman as Joker.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 39:07Josh Horowitz?

  Talk to me a little bit about, I mean, the weight of that performance, the lineage of that.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:12Josh Horowitz?

  Two actors have won Oscars for playing that character. It is one of those roles.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Again, you know, it is, it's iconic, and the people before me have, you know, it's just iconic performances and...

• 39:25Speaker 01

  It's just, it's, it's a, it's a big one. But I am gonna say that, you know, if the opportunity came about, yes, I'd, I'd love to explore and, and given that opportunity, really dive into it. But I've not been contacted and I've not, you know, heard anything, so I can't, yeah.

• 39:46Josh Horowitz?

  It's all good. I'm not gonna press you on the future.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 39:49Josh Horowitz?

  But, but, but, no, it's all good. I get it.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  But a great time, you know, and, and, and Matt and Dylan and absolute amazing time and, and what a, you know, what an opportunity to, to, to do that and with Rob as well, who I love.

• 40:03Josh Horowitz?

  The funny thing about a role like that, right, is like, even though it's a small role at the time, you probably put in a ton of work and like, I mean, did you have like the backstory, the origin for your Joker in place? Like, do you know in your head?

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did, I did. And also, you know, just in terms of like even the makeup process, you said, like Mike Moreno and who's done the Penguin?

• 40:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  And he's, you know, that, that was a lot of talk and a lot of staying still because ADHD kicks in and like it's six hours of, you know, stuff and, and, but yeah, I'm just, I'm incredibly blessed. But again, all I can say is, you know, if the opportunity came about, yes, I'd love to explore, but.

• 40:42Josh Horowitz?

  Have you had a chance to watch The Penguin? You're a busy guy, but.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  I'm busy, man. I'm busy, busy, busy. And I've yet to send Colin, it's the last episode tonight.

• 40:51Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  And so I'm gonna send Colin my, um, my, uh, big, uh, big message review and I gotta actually reach out to Colin.

• 41:01Josh Horowitz?

  Do it right now?

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Yo, Colin.

• 41:05Josh Horowitz?

  Thinking of you.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  And what I was gonna say, but, um, yeah, just, um, transitioning from that onto another, uh, topic. What were you gonna say, Josh?

• 41:16Josh Horowitz?

  I was gonna say Peaky Blinders.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:18Josh Horowitz?

  So we're very excited. You have joined the Peaky Blinders world. There's a film of Peaky Blinders being made, added to the mix, this young man, Rebecca Ferguson.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:28Josh Horowitz?

  Tim Roth, do I have that right?

• 41:29Speaker 01

  Tim Roth, Killian, obviously.

• 41:31Josh Horowitz?

  Obviously. Were you a fan? Did you pursue this one? How did this one come about?

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Massive fan. And again, I'm, I'm treading very, cause Killian will be like, you know, just like zip. And, cause I tend to give things away, like, you know, sometimes.

• 41:47Josh Horowitz?

  That's why I like talking to you.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  You know, like, you lead me to saying, like, I had a great time because, like, oh, wait, what did I say? And, but yeah, being a massive fan of the show, and I can say this, that this movie is gonna be... Someone asked me before, they're like, "You sign on the Peaky Blinders, have you read the script?" I was like, "Uh, yeah, that's what I'm signing on." But then, now I'm thinking...

• 42:13Josh Horowitz?

  Now the Andre Arnold you just talked about.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Maybe they seen that, so, yeah. Sorry, I was trying to make fun of that, and I was just back for it. But yeah, I read the script, and it's, uh, it's, yeah, it's epic. It's, it's so fucking epic, and it's nice to be... I hadn't done anything in a year, you know? No movies in a year.

• 42:34Josh Horowitz?

  You were in a music video, that's, that's important.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  I was. Best thing I ever shot. Honestly. But no, um, yeah, and that was the first time I was back on set as well, it was the music video in, in a while, but it was so nice to be on set again. And, and, you know, just be a pro, and, you know...

• 42:59Josh Horowitz?

  No, the level of everybody on that set.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Everyone getting to see me work, and that, that's sort of like, you're getting to see someone in their zone, and, and vice versa, you know, it's just, it's like, "Yo, attention, oh, sorry, I'm just, I'm distracted."

• 43:14Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing talent around me.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  But yeah, and, but I hadn't been on a movie in a year, and it's so great to have that creative process again, and I feel like I'm really in a place now where I can constructively go to certain places, you know, because I've been doing a lot of therapy and working on myself, and I'm really feeling, you know, confident, and so I can access these places and put them to bed, and constructively, you know, just...

• 43:44Josh Horowitz?

  Not be tough on yourself, hopefully.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, not just rush it to the surface and be like, "What do I do with this?" You know, sort of go back and pick little things, and not everyone has to do that, by the way, some people can just act.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  You know, why don't you just act, Barry? You know, but instead I love to get to the emotional state and it's not always depressing and wherever. You don't need to do that if you're feeling unhappy. A song can get you there or, but I do like to really get to that place and, and you know, sort of bring that forward because truth is something that you can't really, you know, fake.

• 44:20Josh Horowitz?

  Um, yeah, if we've learned anything, it's like, we couldn't talk about filmmakers and approaches more different than Martin McDonagh and Chloe and Andrea and it's like, there's no one path, but the important thing is to get to the truth somehow, right?

• 44:32Speaker 01

  It is.

• 44:33Josh Horowitz?

  Um, you were referencing kind of like, again, the, even since we've started talking the last few years, your life has changed a lot. You are so in the center of the public eye.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:41Josh Horowitz?

  That's, that's tough for anybody and I'm just, here's like, how are you negotiating that? Like, what are you finding?

• 44:47Speaker 01

  I've got a really strong team around me and people I massively care about and they massively care about me and, and I dare everything. Um, I've got a right-hand man who doesn't leave my side, he's outside, you know, literally. He comes everywhere with me and it's, um, he's responsible for a lot of stuff and, but I'm just strong on myself, you know, and when you make a decision to, to step up and rise up to it and, and, and, you know, get on with it and understand that you need to do stuff like therapy to grow and, and to be honest with yourself about certain things, that's when you grow.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Um, when you're kind of like making excuses for stuff and you're not getting anywhere. So I think that's one of the, the reasons I'm starting to enjoy life as it is. Um, and I'm having a lovely relationship with my little boy. Um, you know, and getting to see him grow gives me such love and, you know, hope and, you know, he's starting to talk now and give back chat. But the puppy eyes, man, I mean, when they look at you, you're like, oh, okay, here's chocolate. I'll eat it with you.

• 46:03Josh Horowitz?

  Did he get married?

• 46:04Speaker 01

  He loves Cars, you know, Cars is his thing.

• 46:06Josh Horowitz?

  The, the movie or just Cars?

• 46:08Speaker 01

  McQueen.

• 46:09Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Cars.

• 46:11Josh Horowitz?

  McQueen.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:13Josh Horowitz?

  You need to do a Pixar movie for him.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  I know. I know, I really do.

• 46:16Josh Horowitz?

  What about SNL? Have you contemplated being in that?

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Again, I'm really shy. Like, this is because the lights are helping. Like, it's just me and you and the front row and Karen.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  But, you know, it's, I've never done, I've done stage in school and, but I hate, like, performing. You know, when the camera goes up, there's this, like, license to go, you can be silly, you can be sad, vulnerable. As soon as that goes, I'm like, you know, even tech rehearsal, when they're like, okay, everyone in tech rehearsal, I'm like, eh, can we not? You know, they're like, but they need it for their department. I understand that, but like, I'm really shy. And they're like, you're shy? I'm like, yeah, I'm shy. So there's ways of walking around, but SNL is a performance and it's a, well, I done set myers the other day.

• 47:09Josh Horowitz?

  First late night talk show. I was saying to you, I'm shocked.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I look back and I was like, God, that kid has ADHD. I couldn't stop.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Someone said, he looks like the kind of kid who shits his pants and laughs.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  I was like, you know what? Credit, that's a great comment. I even liked it.

• 47:28Josh Horowitz?

  You're more right than you know.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  But again, you know, I'm owning that. I'm owning that I've got ADHD. I'm owning all these things. I'm working with it and it's like, you know.

• 47:41Josh Horowitz?

  That's the thing. It's like you, you get to this place, the kind of stuff any actor would dream of, like the opportunities you have, having a young child, like this is the life.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Exactly, and I get to show kids, you know, who look up and kids who are curious about getting into this industry or, or even anything that relates to it. And it gives them hope, like, well, fecking if he can do it, ADHD boy or whatever. It's like, you know, where I've come from and that's all I want to do. Like, I use, I like to use a platform for that reason and for younger, younger kids to have a bit of, bit of confidence and a bit of, be optimistic and not let backgrounds or what they've went through, like, you know, hold them back. And, you know, I'm working really hard to set up some things at home, in the UK as well, and, and helping these kids.

• 48:31Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing. Okay, we're gonna end finally with the happy, sad, confused, profoundly random questions, some rapid fire.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  God.

• 48:36Josh Horowitz?

  Dogs or cats, Barry?

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Ah, dogs. Don't I get called a cat?

• 48:42Josh Horowitz?

  You get called a cat.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, people say I look like a cat. You know what I mean?

• 48:45Josh Horowitz?

  Better than being called a dog.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? I think it's because when I move my head, like, don't do that to everyone, by the way.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  When I'm looking for a head scratcher.

• 48:53Josh Horowitz?

  Sure, I got it. We'll scratch you when you get in the back, don't worry. Do you collect anything? What do you collect?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to like, collect, I love stones, I love, you know, I'm into my stones, my like, you know, rose quartz and stuff like that. So yeah, I collect things like that.

• 49:13Josh Horowitz?

  What's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I hope they have no meshes on it.

• 49:19Josh Horowitz?

  Vet it first, make sure it's suitable for public.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Uh, Brando.

• 49:23Josh Horowitz?

  I can attest, very cute. There you go.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  I'm like, wow, he's gorgeous. He's like posing in that.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, honestly, like, those eyes, oh, I get it.

• 49:34Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, wait.

• 49:37Josh Horowitz?

  Somehow you ended up, I get you, okay. Worst noted director has ever given you?

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Do you know what? I'm not gonna say anything because I think everyone is worded. Like, I don't, everything anyone's ever said to me has always been.

• 49:59Josh Horowitz?

  Meant in the nicest possible way, nothing went the wrong way.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Maybe like, learn your lines, like, I'm not okay.

• 50:05Josh Horowitz?

  There are no wines to earn on Drake.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  I just don't think, I need to read a script. But yeah.

• 50:12Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, in the spirit of Happy Second Fuse, who's an actor that always makes you happy, you see them on the screen, you're happy.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Well, that's a good question. Makes me happy, or makes me like...

• 50:27Josh Horowitz?

  Well, it doesn't need to be like, song and dance, but you can, you appreciate them, you're in for a good time, this is gonna be fun.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Oh man, I have so many I wanna work with, so I'm like, what do I say?

• 50:38Josh Horowitz?

  Use your shot, you can say a few.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  This is it, this is it.

• 50:41Josh Horowitz?

  I'm manifesting for you. Daniel Day-Lewis, go.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Daniel Day-Lewis, and yeah. Christian Bale.

• 50:48Josh Horowitz?

  All right, okay, that works.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, Killian Murphy.

• 50:52Josh Horowitz?

  That's already happening, that's a waste of one.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  No, but like, you know, Casey watches this and then I go back, he's like, never mentioned me.

• 50:57Josh Horowitz?

  I get it.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  He wouldn't say that, would he?

• 51:00Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, movie that makes you sad? What gets you?

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Makes me sad, um...

• 51:07Speaker 01

  I love Ryan Gosling, by the way. Sorry, I'm still on that question.

• 51:09Josh Horowitz?

  Well, that's good. There are a few. Oh, yeah, I was gonna say, Blue Valentine.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. I mean, the notebook.

• 51:14Josh Horowitz?

  You're a jerk. Oh, notebook, yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  You know, uh, Basketball Diaries makes me very sad.

• 51:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. And you answered this for me once before. Let's see if it matches. The food that makes you confused. Is it still drum roll?

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Oh, makes me... Oregano, did I say? Yeah, yeah.

• 51:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, still negative on the eggplant.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, like texture, ugh.

• 51:33Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  Like, what is the point in this?

• 51:35Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  It's just an emoji.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 51:40Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, we've got a tray of...

• 51:41Speaker 01

  I'm eating an emoji.

• 51:41Josh Horowitz?

  We've got a tray of eggplant and, uh, in the back for you.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Eggplant, you call it, eh?

• 51:45Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, we call it eggplant.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  And yams, what's yams? Sweet potato?

• 51:47Josh Horowitz?

  No, yeah, something in the, in the family.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Sweet potato sounds nicer.

• 51:51Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Yams. So American, yams.

• 51:57Josh Horowitz?

  All right, don't, don't eat your yams, but go see Bird, everybody. Support good work. Um, Barry, it is always a pleasure. Thank you for indulging me. Uh, and, and we'll talk soon. Peaky Blinders, a lot more to come. Congratulations on everything, man. Thanks.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Thank you, everyone.

• 52:22Speaker 01

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