Zoey Deutch, Vol. II

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:29Josh Horowitz?

  Do you feel like you have the sweet spot of celebrity? You get just enough recognition at the Starbucks, where you're like, "I can live my life, get some love, and move on with my day."

• 0:41Speaker 02

  I got a free Starbucks the other day for my birthday. It was so nice. He was so nice. I mean, I guess everyone gets the free Starbucks for their birthday.

• 0:48Josh Horowitz?

  I didn't want to break it to you.

• 0:53Speaker 03

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins now.

• 1:01Josh Horowitz?

  I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy, Sad, Confused, Zoe Deutsch is back. But this isn't 20-something Zoe anymore. We're talking to a Broadway lady, people. She's 30. She's making her Broadway debut in our town. Not to mention, he's got a new movie directed by no less than Clint Eastwood out. They grow up so fast. There she is. It's Zoe Deutsch. Hi, Zoe.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  Hi, Josh. Nice to see you.

• 1:23Josh Horowitz?

  It's great to see you. Congratulations on all fronts. I've seen the movie. I've seen the show, as you know. And congrats on, I can't say joining me. Sadly, my 30s are long behind me. But how are you feeling? A little belated, but happy birthday, buddy.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. I feel good. I'm not having the existential dread that so many people have. It's funny, there's a tiptoeing around, "How do you feel about 30?" I'm like, maybe it's because I feel... I am doing exactly what I want to be doing in this moment. So I I'm just it's a great beginning of this new chapter for me. I love this place so much and I'm having so much fun doing it eight times a week that it's a it's it's yeah, it's it's minimally existential.

• 2:17Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, and I would imagine like, yeah, like celebrating in New York just after the show has opened. I mean, it's like an easy, you know, these birthdays are all about markers and be like, oh, wow, I just had like a major career marker that I've been probably thinking about for a long time. So this does feel like all the ships are coming together. Everything's coming together at the right moment.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Also, it's like, you know, it's wonderful to be 30 playing 11 years old. It's a it's a, you know, I'm feeling really good about that.

• 2:48Josh Horowitz?

  And yet, and yet, when I think when I think of you, I think of you as an old soul. I feel like Zoe is like a 75 year old man in a 30 year old woman's body in some in some capacity.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Thank you. Finally. Yes, thank you.

• 3:05Josh Horowitz?

  What was what was the what was the food for for 30? Because you're you're a foodie. I appreciate that even more than your acting ability. What was important to ingest?

• 3:14Speaker 02

  We had delicious. We had a lot, a lot of food, but it was like, I wanted it to just be like hearty and delicious. And originally, we were gonna go to Roscioli, which I don't know if you've been to the New York one, but I love the one at home. But it was proving to be a little tricky with people. So we switched to a different place and had like really delicious burgers and and pastas and salads. And it was just classic and delicious.

• 3:38Josh Horowitz?

  Love it.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  But I appreciate that you put me as a foodie before actor, or actually, dog food acting. Those are the of importance.

• 3:47Josh Horowitz?

  This is why you're so important to me. You hit the trifecta. These are the things that truly are most important to me in life, without a doubt. It's also, by the way, it's not quite our 10th anniversary. It's kind of more our 11th anniversary. But Vampire Academy came out 10 years ago, early in the year. We probably started talking in 2013. But let's give ourselves a round of applause anyway, for 10 plus years of friendship conversation.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  We have a long, we have a very long relationship, very long friendship. I would say I'm one of the early, early adopters of Happy Sad Confused. One of the OG.

• 4:21Josh Horowitz?

  You were definitely one of the OGs. I'd like to think I'm one of the OGs in the Zoe Deutsch fan club as well. So it's a mutual admiration society.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  And I last time I saw you, I told you about how, because when we met, it was at that, it was at, it was at the Javits thing, right? Yeah.

• 4:35Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I think it probably was.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  You were about to go to the Javits and I told you that.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  That I.

• 4:47Josh Horowitz?

  Retell your story. It's a good one. Thank you for reminding me. Yeah.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  No, it, it still makes sense to me. Like, I don't, okay, I must have been 18 and we were doing some sort of Comic Con or some sort of thing for something for Vampire Academy. And it was at the Javits Center and in front of everybody in the audience, I, when I, the mic was given to me, I was very nervous. And I said, well, thank you so much for having us here at the Jacob Javid Center. It's an honor.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Looked at me like, what?

• 5:21Josh Horowitz?

  She's, she's Jewier than we thought. Wow. It really came out.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Like, I'm not even too. Like, I'm just confused where I got that from. So that was, that's, that was that day, I think, that I met you at the Jacob Javid Center.

• 5:37Josh Horowitz?

  I'm a sucker for anybody that pronounces Jacob Jacob. I love it. Always, always.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  What was going on? Not sure. Not sure.

• 5:44Josh Horowitz?

  You can call me, if it makes you feel better, you can call me Yosh instead of Josh.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Yosh? Okay, no problem.

• 5:50Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so give me a snapshot of your life right now. Whenever I'm talking to folks that are in the middle of a, of a run, I feel like, I feel like guilty stealing any minutes of their time because I feel like they should be in a hermetically sealed chamber when they're not on stage because it is, it is such an all encompassing thing. What's the lifestyle like right now? Is our town like on the brain 24/7?

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Yes, it is. But also, I mean.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  The only, the, the, the, the biggest, well, it's not too big of a shift. I'm already nervous and hypochondriacal. Like, I'm scared about getting sick all the time. So it's just, it's just amped up a little bit more.

• 6:31Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Like, I, I think I am the biggest supporter, number one customer. I'm keeping juice generation alive. I have like sixteen of the immunity drinks a day. But otherwise, no, my, my life is, I, it, it's, it hasn't, I, I don't feel that restricted by it, or like I can't have a life outside of it. I am so, it is such a joyful, different experience for me to have routine.

• 7:02Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  I'm not familiar with it. I don't, when I started this when I was young, I just got into a flow of it. And it meant adapting to whatever new lifestyle and job and place and home and and situation and hours of work. It, it just meant change, constant change. So the opportunity to go to the same place in my same cubicle with the same beautiful people and order the same foods and go to bed at the same time. And it is like, to be honest, very healing.

• 7:32Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  And, and unfamiliar to me. I'm, I'm, um, I love it so much.

• 7:41Josh Horowitz?

  So. Does it invade, does it invade the, the sleep, dreams, nightmares related to? Are you the kind of person that thinks about work lines, forgetting your lines in your sleep?

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Not forgetting my lines, but it's the first time in my life or career where almost every single night I wake up at, in the middle of the night with a different idea. Or like, fuck, why did I do that? Or I should have done that, or let me try that tonight. Or, oh, my God, that's what that line means. Like, my.

• 8:10Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Brain is really working on the material as I'm sleeping in a way I've never had before. And it's not, and I, and I love dream work and I love inviting the work into, but I've never had this where I'm not inviting it in. I'm not trying to explore my dreams.

• 8:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  It's just there. So, yeah, to answer your question, I am living, breathing, twenty-four, sleeping twenty-four seven, our town. But I remember it. It's not like I'm writing it down. I remember, um.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  The notes I'm giving myself in my sleep.

• 8:42Josh Horowitz?

  Well, that's good. So the next time I see the show, it'll be a slightly tweaked, you're evolving as it goes, which is like, you don't want it stuck in amber.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  I find I'm very different. I find, I'm sorry, I interrupted you. I find it's very different. I don't find that there are small tweaks. I find it personally, the personal experience dramatically different every single night. And I'm, I've been curious to ask, you know, friends and family who have seen it multiple times, like, do you feel it's different? Does it feel really different to you? And, and I don't think they feel it's as, as drastic, but they definitely, yeah, I do see a difference.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:19Josh Horowitz?

  So, and this is one, look, for, you know, I have a feeling anyone listening or watching the podcast knows what Our Town is, but this is obviously one of those All-American classics, Thornton Wilder. It's been, if it's not been done at your high school, what's wrong with your high school? It's just one of those. And it's, and it's, and it's a play that has been with you for a while. It's been on the list. So how did you encounter it? Like, did you encounter it in school, seeing a production, or just, yeah, how did it enter your life?

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Our Town is a great American play, arguably the great American play. It's been my favorite play for as long as I can remember. I didn't see it, and I've never actually seen it done. I've never seen it performed ever. I've just loved it and cherished the, the, the text for, you know, since I read it when I was 13 or 14 or whatever. And it's sat on my night table since then. Obviously, the night table has shifted. I haven't, I'm not in my, still in my childhood bed. Don't worry, I've moved out of my home.

• 10:16Josh Horowitz?

  Thanks for clarifying.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, uh, I, I, I've just, I, I've returned to it because it, every time, it just feels so different to me and it hits a different part of me. And I, honestly, yes, a lot of people know, but if you are new to it, I'm jealous. It's an amazing journey. And it's old, but it's anything but dated. It's timeless. It's simple, but so, so profound. And it's, I, I, I really feel that it's full of real sentiment, which is not the same as sentimental. It's not sentimental, especially this production, I find. And

• 10:59Speaker 02

  And it's deceptive. It's greatness is deceptive.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  And I am, yeah, I can't believe it hasn't been on Broadway in over 20 years. So getting to be in this production, stepping into Emily Webb's world and holding her heart and my heart every night is something that I'll forever be grateful for. And yeah, I, I, I, it's a very, it was a funny journey coming to it. Like, I wasn't a manifester, Yosh, but I am now. Like, I, this is the one thing in my life so far I have been so, well, maybe other than acting, I was super clear that I was going to act.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  But this is the first really specific thing that I've ever been so clear about in my life and in my career that I had to do. And the ways in which the universe conspired to work with me and support me was unbelievable. I'm acting like I created manifesting. I just, I just, guys, there's a real thing you can do. If you go for something you want, you can get it. But it's so funny because so often in interviews, there's a question that is a very fair, valid question that's asked, which is, what do you want to do next? What's your dream part? And I don't know if you've ever felt hesitance from actors or directors or writers when you, when, when you, when, when you ask that question.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  And I certainly feel I've, I've been reticent to answer it because it gives power to the person and we don't, and it's intense to be like, super clear with what you know you want. I've never been able to honestly answer, I'll be like, I want to do a Western or I want to do a music, you know, but to be like, so specific is hard and scary. And anyway, this was the first thing I did that with on like a really grand bizarre level that one might call delusional.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  With witnesses. Witnesses saw, I'm not, I'm not just a cuckoo person like I, I, I, my boyfriend, my agent, my sister, my parent, they saw this happen. I got a place in New York. Sorry, I'm ranting, but.

• 13:19Josh Horowitz?

  No, I was gonna say, that's just something only a cuckoo person would say, by the way, is I'm not a cuckoo person, just so you know. I know people think on the internet, they're saying Zoe's crazy. For the record, I'm not crazy.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like when someone's like, I don't wanna be a bitch, but.

• 13:36Josh Horowitz?

  No, tell me, tell me for the record. So yeah, give me the circumstances. What happened?

• 13:46Speaker 02

  I had loved this play forever and I, I just was, I just was reading it over and over and over and I was like, I have to play this part. I have to. And one day they are going to do it again on Broadway. And there's no chance I'm gonna be on the list of people to play Emily Webb. I've never done Broadway. It's just not, it's not gonna happen. So what's one thing that can help me get a leg up if I'm a local hire? So I decided I'm gonna get a place in New York. This was a delusional COVID, during COVID quarantine time. I was like, I'm gonna get a place in New York. So when they do it, I live in New York, quote unquote.

• 14:25Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  So obviously, when I told my boyfriend this, he was like, are we breaking up? Are you moving to New York? I'm like, no, no, no, no. This is for when they do our town. He's like, but they're not doing our town? And I was like, no, they're not doing our town. And he was like, okay, got it. So then I tell my agent, I say, hey, let's get a drink. This is I guess like two years ago or something. So by the way, I got a place in New York to play Emily Webb. And he was like, what? I was like, when they do our town, I got a place so they could, I can do it. And he was like, first off, okay. And also, that's so weird. I just had a call with my, with Kenny Leon, who he wants to bring our town back for the first time on Broadway in 20 plus years. How do you know that?

• 15:08Speaker 02

  I said, I didn't, but you gotta get me a meeting with him. You've gotta get me a meeting with Kenny. And he said, I don't know. This is unbelievable. The, the, the odds are so bizarre. I'm gonna make this happen. I'm gonna get you a meeting with Kenny Leon. So I guess, I don't know, eight months goes by, something like that. And last summer, I was shooting a movie in Dublin called The Anniversary. And this lovely actress, it was this lovely actress named McKenna Grace, who was playing my sister. And I got, as I was sitting there, I got an email that said, I got you a meeting with Kenny Leon to play Emily Webb on Broadway. Got you the meeting. And I like practically threw my phone across the room. And McKenna, who knew nothing about it, about anything about this, looked at me and she said, what's so exciting, Emily?

• 15:52Speaker 02

  And I, I was like, why did you just call me Emily? She's like, I don't know, you just looked like an Emily to me. And at that moment, I was just like, all right. Something about the universe and then the things that kept happening after it, it just fell into place in this really beautiful way. And when I told Kenny, I was like, I, I don't know how to explain it any other way. You have to trust me, I need to do this. And he listened to me. So it was a really powerful, bizarre series of events. And if that's the only thing that I manifest, it will have been the greatest gift of my life. So it was weird, Josh, really, really weird.

• 16:32Josh Horowitz?

  It's weird, but I, from personal experience of having a thousand of these conversations with actors, it's not just, not to say I or this podcast has any power, but I've seen it's happened so many times when conversations and repeated conversations, they truly do lead to stuff. People watch and listen to the conversations and podcasts and stuff and like, just to like, bring someone's name up they haven't thought of in a certain context. Oh, wait, they're, they're, because on the outside looking in, I mean, why would, I mean, sure, she would be interested in Our Town, but why? Like, I mean, there are a thousand actors that could be.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Exactly. No, but it's so interesting, it's a human experience where you just don't, we don't give ourselves enough credit for the power and the agency that we have in our lives.

• 17:17Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  You know? So I'm sitting here going, it's magical, and you're sitting there going like, no, you, you said what you wanted. And then people were like, oh, okay, sure, that makes sense. If she really wants it, she's gonna work hard. She, you know what I mean? It's, it feels crazy to, uh, to engage in the world that way, but it was so empowering, honestly. And it made me, and maybe that's also partial, partially the reason I'm so excited to be in this new chapter of my life where I feel. I feel ready to, to, to step into that power, you know?

• 17:57Josh Horowitz?

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• 18:41Josh Horowitz?

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• 19:24Josh Horowitz?

  Thousands of people are already using Rula to get affordable, high-quality therapy that's actually covered by insurance. Visit rula.com/happy to get started. That's rula, R-U-L-A, dot com slash happy. You deserve mental health care that works with you, not against your budget. You guys know the best stuff in your closet is the stuff that you actually wear, right? The things that you just keep coming back to, whether you're going to work, you're going out, you're just hanging around. Well, with the holidays coming up, Quince makes it really easy to find great gifts for everyone on your list. This year, I'm doing a lot of my holiday shopping at Quince, and yes, that includes a few things for myself. That's okay, right? One of the things I love about Quince is that you're getting really high-quality stuff without spending a fortune.

• 20:06Josh Horowitz?

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• 20:50Josh Horowitz?

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• 21:34Josh Horowitz?

  coming at things at different points in your life. You're a different woman than you were at Everybody Wants Some, in terms of where your career and your life.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:44Josh Horowitz?

  And that, I mean, that must mark a moment, too, when Rick Linklater comes back to you and says, "I want to work with you again," and in this capacity, in this kind of a role.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  It was weird. It was, yeah, that and the Clint thing, it was weird because the way that juror number two came about was...

• 22:03Speaker 02

  I'm sorry to jump around, but both I didn't realize the parallels of how full circle they were. But I had auditioned for I'd done a self tape for a Clint Eastwood movie like eight years ago. And I can't speak for all actors, but I can speak for some that I've spoken to. Self tapes are kind of frustrating. You do them and they kind of go into the abyss and you don't really hear much. You just hear they're going in a different direction. You're like, did it ever get to the person? Did the casting director even see it? You know, it's kind of disheartening sometimes. And he had remembered my self tape from years ago. I didn't even know it got to him. And that many years later, he was like, will you come on this journey to do juror number two with me? So that was full circle.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  And then, yes, working with the wonderful, amazing Richard Linklater, 10 years, almost to the like day of Everybody Wants Some on his new movie, New Valvogue, was amazing and full circle. And so fun. The movie was so fun and I'm so excited to see it. Yeah.

• 23:15Josh Horowitz?

  I want to ask you, I just had.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  I feel very lucky. I feel very, very lucky. I got to work with two of my favorite directors of all time last year. Like I'm beyond lucky.

• 23:27Josh Horowitz?

  I had Nicole on the podcast very recently, caught up with him, talked a little bit about juror number two, which I saw and really enjoyed. And I love that people like, I mean, you know, I'll say this because I can, but it feels like the studio kind of didn't realize what they had on their hands. Like people that are seeing it are really digging the movie. It's fantastic. So people should check it out if they can. But, you know, we talked about the famous Clint Eastwood technique, which is true, apparently. Very few takes, very like the chillest man seemingly on the planet of the way he runs a set. So I'm curious like how that vibes with you in terms of like, did you feel like you wanted to do more or did you kind of key into like, oh, that's all you need from me? I can, you trust me enough to do this in two or three takes? Like, did that, did you immediately kind of like gel into that rhythm?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Uh, it feels impossible to not gel into the rhythm he creates. It's so calm and lovely and no one's yelling.

• 24:23Josh Horowitz?

  Imagine that.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  It's really bizarre. I know. It's just like, there's no act, stop.

• 24:29Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Um, which is what action and cut are. It's like, feel something. Don't feel something. Stop. Uh, yeah, he has sort of these, he has different words which are like, all right, whenever you're ready.

• 24:42Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  And then, all right, that's enough of that. Uh.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  You know, the one sort of Clint-ism lore thing that didn't, that wasn't really consistent with what I had been told is the one take.

• 24:57Josh Horowitz?

  Really? Okay.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  He was so generous. If you wanted another one, he would of course give it to you. But he would throw it back at you. He'd go, do you really need another one?

• 25:09Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  And it wasn't, it was beautiful because it gave me a chance to, to really ask myself that question and, and, and use it when I really, really felt I, I did need another one. And, and this is the second movie I, I've been lucky enough to make with Nick Holt. Um, and we both work in a similar way, which is there is never enough takes.

• 25:32Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  We, we, we would do, we would do them forever.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Uh, and especially I would do them forever if it was with Nick because he's such a wonderful actor and person. Um, and also so fucking funny. I don't know. We were just crying laughing like most of, most of our, our time on that set.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  But it was, I thought it was really wonderful for us to experience like.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Trusting our instincts and trusting our first instincts with uh with this.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, the the the one thing that was really

• 26:18Speaker 02

  kind of different for me was you never really know a hundred percent if the rehearsal is and is shooting or not.

• 26:26Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, wow.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  So that was the part that was like, I started to realize, once I step on, because once you step on set, the cameras, the everything is all ready, lighting every so and the room is lit entirely for whatever happens. So that was, I started to learn by day three, okay, when I come on to set, just know that could be, you could be, you know, because it's not like you know, oh, if the director is over in Video Village, then because he sits right at the camera, he's in the scene with you.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Which is awesome, I think. I loved it.

• 27:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, like, is there a director back there? Is there anybody watching me? Like, that kind of sensation, which I'm sure you've had, which every actor's had, the Video Village thing from a thousand miles away.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, he's there. He he's not looking at a monitor ever.

• 27:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  And back to the food thing, the food is really good because he's had the same caterers for forty years and they, you know, it is some of the best food ever had on set.

• 27:25Josh Horowitz?

  Nick said the same thing. Yeah, yeah.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  What a shocker. You you let people sleep, the days are not crazy, and there's good food and everyone's happy.

• 27:34Josh Horowitz?

  And you wonder why he gets such great performances if, you know, you I hear the word that always comes up from great actors is is relaxation, right? And like, again, like, not screaming action, tut. It's like, it's just like putting you in kind of, hopefully, that that place where you can focus and relax and just not stress as much as possible in an artificial circumstance.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, what about shocking the nervous system?

• 27:59Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Create connection, right? What about being like, ah, and and chaos, poking and prodding creates

• 28:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  connection. I don't know, but it's it's the one of the sort of things about. Yeah, he's he's cracked the code. He really has. And he's really funny and warm and wonderful. So that was that was a very unique experience.

• 28:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you're in all these like experiences. I think of the the show right now and Clint, it's like you want to be so present. You want to know you because you know, these both of these for a variety of reasons are are once in a lifetime. But very special things that you just need to kind of like, I don't want to let this go by without absorbing every single moment of it.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I and I do feel every day really lucky. I'm, you know, I'm other than the moments when I'm rushing through Times Square screaming at people to get out of my way. I'm so zen, John.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  It really makes me laugh when I'm when I'm for the people that know the the the play when I'm in the third act and I'm talking about how, you know, people are so troubled and that and, you know, having all these revelations about

• 29:15Speaker 02

  life, I laugh at myself when I do find when I'm in the middle of Times Square like, get the fuck out of my way.

• 29:20Josh Horowitz?

  I always say, because I, you know, for many years, thanks to MTV, had an office over in Times Square and like walking through there, I would turn into like the crazed Vietnam vet that mutters to himself like it was just like, like, you wonder about those guys like, wait, I've become that guy. And that's what that's what Times Square can do to a human being. Um.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  It is shocking. It's a shocking place.

• 29:42Josh Horowitz?

  What have you had time to watch anything? What are your film and TV show loves lately? What's what's in the queue, Zoe?

• 29:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. All of a sudden, I see nothing. I can't.

• 29:53Josh Horowitz?

  Nothing, brain is empty.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  I don't think I've watched anything. You know, I will say I have a very difficult time watching stuff while I'm working.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'm not, I, I, I, I, I haven't been particularly like, I, I, I do have a hard time watching stuff while I'm working. I don't know if that, I guess.

• 30:19Josh Horowitz?

  No, I get it. How about this? Who, who?

• 30:22Speaker 02

  What are you watching, Josh?

• 30:24Josh Horowitz?

  I just watched The Substance for the second time last night.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 30:27Josh Horowitz?

  Insane. Yeah, it's a lot.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Have you seen Wicked yet?

• 30:30Josh Horowitz?

  I have seen Wicked. I liked Wicked a lot. And I have, I'd never seen it on Broadway, so I was new to it. Yeah.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Really?

• 30:36Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking, okay, so speaking of musicals, because the other bedside obsession play musical I'd heard you mention is Cabaret. Is Cabaret one of those? Is that still, is that the, the manifest musical on the list?

• 30:50Speaker 02

  It is. It is. I gotta play Sally. I really do. I gotta.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  I, my mother played Sally Bowles on Broadway.

• 31:02Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  And I, um, lived with her here while she was doing it and I toured with her. Um, and she did it at a Studio 54 and I sat in her dressing room eight times a week. And I would help her do her makeup and I, um, and I would sneak out of her dressing room to try to watch the second act. So I wasn't allowed to, um, for obvious reasons. And, um, and it was really the, the, it was the place that I, I realized I wanted to, I, I, I, I had to be an actor. So that part holds such a special place, um, in my heart.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Um, so I, I, I, I, I hope, I hope one day I have the great honor, um, of getting to play that, that role. I watched my mom just, she was amazing. And then she was so fulfilled and she was so fucking good. And I was like, you know, I just, I, I, I just watched what it gave her and what she gave it and I, um. I was really inspired at four or five. So that's, that's another one on the bucket list for sure. And

• 32:14Josh Horowitz?

  That's one of those roles. I've seen, I've seen it a few times on stage recently, Gail Rankin, of course. And then remember, yeah, yeah, obviously Emma, Emma Stone did it a few years back. It's one of those. Yeah, you'll get there. I'm sure you will. Um, speaking, speaking of movie musicals, I could see you. They just announced Rob Marshall's doing Guys and Dolls. Do we want to get you in on an audition there?

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:37Josh Horowitz?

  Right?

• 32:37Speaker 02

  I, I, yes. And I was, I was really, I was, I was, I was sort of, I, I asked Rick every other day, like, so Merrily, so it's any, any other

• 32:50Speaker 02

  going on? But, uh, no, yes, I, I am.

• 32:54Josh Horowitz?

  Are you Adelaide? Are you Sarah? Sarah Brown? Which, which, where do you tend to?

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Either.

• 33:02Josh Horowitz?

  Don't box yourself in.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Don't box my

• 33:04Josh Horowitz?

  I'll be named Detroit if you want. I don't care.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  I'm not being very clear with the universe right now, Josh. Probably won't happen.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  You have to be really, really clear.

• 33:14Josh Horowitz?

  I know. I'm trying to help.

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• 34:55Josh Horowitz?

  What are we to make of, uh, we were early adopters. We, we bought stock early on Glenn Powell. What's our perspective on the Glenn Powell mania? The like, I mean, that we knew this was coming. It was just a matter of not if, but when. Is there some validation?

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Now that everyone likes him, I don't.

• 35:16Josh Horowitz?

  Right. You're the one. You know, I don't see it. I don't see it.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  I don't get it.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  You know, um, uh, he's annoying. He's perfect. He's, there's nothing wrong. We can't find anything wrong. He's uncancellable, cancelable. Nervous talking about, I saw a picture of his abs the other day. Now I can't, it's just.

• 35:43Josh Horowitz?

  I know. That's a lot.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Unbothered. Uh, no, I mean, what, he is headed straight to the moon, literally, probably with Tom Cruise. Um, he is, there is no, everyone keeps saying it's his year. I'm like, his year? No, this dude is here to stay and he's just gonna keep getting more and more successful and, and have stronger arms and, and he's going straight to the top as he should.

• 36:15Josh Horowitz?

  What, can I ask you, whatever happened to this, the script for the Katie Silverman project that you were, guys were gonna re-team on? Is it, have we lost, is it over? Like, what happened?

• 36:26Speaker 02

  It's my favorite, it's my favorite script that I have on this computer. I cannot stress how good it is. I was just talking to Katie yesterday about it. Um.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  It's just one of those things. I it will be made. It is so good. Um.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, if I could, I would make it tomorrow. I really yesterday.

• 36:52Josh Horowitz?

  Is it is it in the same is it same vibe vein as as set it up? Is it it's a rom com or?

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Yes, it's a rom com.

• 37:01Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  But different, of course.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  I want to make it so bad.

• 37:07Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, we're manifesting all over the place today. It's okay.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  And it's an amazing part for Glenn. He and it's a

• 37:16Speaker 02

  just, yeah, I want to bring the team back together so badly.

• 37:20Josh Horowitz?

  He's changed his number on us. We can't get a hold of him. Glenn, Glenn, what happened, buddy?

• 37:27Josh Horowitz?

  You know, it's funny, I listened. I listened back to our last. I know, I know. I listened back to our last podcast, which was six years ago. Always interesting to get a snapshot of where folks were at that time. There were a couple of revelations. You said you had no idea who you were. You had like, I have no idea who I am right now. So it sounds like from our conversation today, you have more of a sense of who you are today.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Wow, that's so. Yeah, no, I definitely feel much more in tune with who I am. And and that's so that's at least I was honest.

• 38:02Josh Horowitz?

  You were very honest to the point that you said that you you still had never met your therapist. You were only talking to them. Did you ever meet? Did you ever FaceTime your therapist? What's the relationship now?

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Not that one. Not that one. I have a new one here who I I was seeing in person. And now I'm sort of like, oh, I'll talk to you on the phone. And I I've discovered.

• 38:23Josh Horowitz?

  What's going on, Zoe? What's that about? You need another therapist that analyzes why you don't want to see your therapist in person?

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Oh, don't worry. I have had that. I like my bed. I like being in my bed. But but this one, at least I've met in person, so I know her. Okay, what was something else I said?

• 38:42Josh Horowitz?

  Here's an interesting one. You were we were talking about career stuff. You actually said, you know, you were you want to be a superhero. You wanted to be Spider Woman, you said at the time. So I don't know if you got in on the the Madame Web auditions, but Zoe, in retrospect, you might have dodged a bullet. It actually worked out.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  I was a bad manifestor because I didn't know who I was.

• 39:02Josh Horowitz?

  You didn't know what you wanted. You didn't know you were a little off, just a little off.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  No, I was off, really off.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Really off.

• 39:10Josh Horowitz?

  You did, this didn't come up because it was subsequent, but I think, you know, if the trades are to be believed, you did another interesting wrinkle in the comic book world is, did you audition for Batgirl? Was that something that you at least got a shot at?

• 39:23Speaker 02

  I did, yeah, yeah.

• 39:26Josh Horowitz?

  What was, what was that experience like? Did you put on the suit? Is that mortifying? Was it enjoyable or?

• 39:32Speaker 02

  It wasn't that, I, I didn't get to that point.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  I, I'm trying to remember. It was a couple of years ago.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean,

• 39:47Speaker 02

  I don't remember if I was able to read a script before testing for it.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  But I, I, I remember it like,

• 40:00Speaker 02

  those things are so funny. I've only been involved in a couple of them, but there's a lot that goes on around it.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  And it kind of gets blurry, if that makes sense. I, I, I didn't really know what it was or, but it, it, it, of course, was a big opportunity.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  And I, I, I would, I would love to, to be in one of those movies. I find them to be so fun and, and, but yeah, yeah.

• 40:29Josh Horowitz?

  It does, I get what you're saying about all the stuff around it because like, what people sometimes don't realize is like, you sign your life away for like this like five picture deal often into it for an audition for a script you haven't read for a project that could go or not go. And it's like, you're promising a potential life and you don't even know what you're reaching for. It's a lot.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Exactly. You get it. You get it.

• 40:55Josh Horowitz?

  Um, when are we going to complete the trifecta of music videos? We have Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber. You have a tou- it's a tough duo to follow.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  I think I'm retired. I think if I do another one, I, I mean, it's like enough. All right. Okay, we get it, Zoe. You want to kiss some pop stars. It's like chill out, you know?

• 41:12Josh Horowitz?

  You could, you can kiss some, some ladies. Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter, who's on the list?

• 41:17Speaker 02

  I would love that. Never mind. I'm back. I'm out of retirement. If it's one of them, I'm happy to. Honestly, I will provide my services as Video Girl. I'm here, I'm ready, I'm available. Honestly.

• 41:28Josh Horowitz?

  Have you crossed paths, is Sabrina contemporary? Have you crossed paths with her over the years? Yeah.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Gosh, so amazing and lovely and sweet and I am so happy for her. There is nothing, she, she was so ready for this moment. I have like secondhand anxiety for any of these people who like don't know, who's get into superstardom. Um, and like aren't prepared for it. Not that anyone can be prepared for it. But she is working fucking ass off for so long and she is so talented and she has put in so much time. And I'm very passionately proud of the, um, the place that she's in. And I love her music and I love everything she's doing. So I can't imagine how intense it is.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  Um, to get everything that you had ever dreamed for in that way. And I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that comes along with it and it, and the challenges and all that. But putting all that aside, I think she's prepared. Um, and I love that.

• 42:34Josh Horowitz?

  Do you, do you feel like you have like the sweet spot of celebrity? You get like, you get just enough kind of like recognition at the Starbucks where you're like, I can live my life, get some love and move on with my day?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  I got a free Starbucks the other day for my birthday. It was so nice. He was so nice. I mean, I guess everyone gets the free Starbucks for their birthday.

• 42:53Josh Horowitz?

  I didn't want to break it to you.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  I mean, I think literally everyone does.

• 43:00Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, it's because you're great.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  And you also get a free little candle at Diptyque, which is awesome. Okay, Josh, enough about me. I need to ask you, how do you feel about 10 years of happy, sad, confused? Like, how do you feel? Does it feel crazy? Does it feel like it's been that amount of time? Or is it feel?

• 43:16Josh Horowitz?

  It feels crazy, but I mean, it gets, honestly, to be, you know, earnestness isn't my forte, but like, um, to go along the journey with folks and to know folks, and that's the really fun part right now, is you get to meet new folks and that's always exciting. But, but to revisit folks at different stages, like this kind of conversation we're having, and to have the perspective and just, I don't know, have a ringside seat to people is really, really cool. To know you like when you literally were just starting in film and had different kinds of aspirations and nerves and fears and, I don't know. It, it, so that's what makes it cool. And that's why, like, I feel like I'm always gonna be rewarded by this. I'm gonna enjoy doing this forever because, um, the story, the people will hopefully come along with me.

• 44:00Josh Horowitz?

  I'll come along with them and the story will just change.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  You're everybody's favorite person to, to see on the press, on the, on the list of what's, what's to come for press. But I, I, it, it must be so, I mean, it's a very unique relationship and experience to have with all of these people who you, you also see in very intense moments of their lives, right? Like in press tours and, and you know, what, and they're scared or they're excited or they're whatever. And, and you don't maybe sometimes talk to them for a couple of years and then you see them again and you had these big, um, sometimes, sometimes not, these big conversations with them. And then a couple of years, it's like a, I don't know what the word would be, but it's like a sort of therapy, sort of not.

• 44:44Josh Horowitz?

  No, it is. It's, it is this weird, like, yeah, this check-in. Like, it's, I know, hopefully I try to be, I'm like a familiar face, a calming before. So hopefully in that, in that scrum on that red carpet, you know, you're at the Oscars and you're gonna see me, like, oh, I knew Josh when I was 21 years old. And that'll feel, hopefully, something, something comforting there. And it works both ways. Yeah, no, I appreciate you saying that. I, I, you know, thank you.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  I'm really, I'm just, I'm so proud of you. And I think you are, you're, I just, I'm, yeah, I really am. I'm always happy to see you crushing it.

• 45:18Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you, you too. Okay, before I let you go, I'm gonna end with the happy, sad, confused profound.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Let me go, I thought we had four more hours.

• 45:26Josh Horowitz?

  There's the real Zoe. She just came out. Happy second fuse profoundly random questions. I know the answers to the first one and she's going about to make a cameo. Dogs or cats?

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Dogs.

• 45:39Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, Lucy's about to show up. Hold on. What do you collect, if anything?

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Uh, uh, uh, mobiles, like, like fake Calder mobiles.

• 45:52Josh Horowitz?

  That was not, I did not have money on that one.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  It used to be, it used to be bugs like beetles. I would do that. And then there were coins. I was a coin girl.

• 46:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  By the way, I found a like 100 year old coin in my radiator, which is interesting. And also an Ellis Island coin.

• 46:12Josh Horowitz?

  You could find a lot worse things in a New York apartment. That's about the best possible old thing you could find.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay. No, it's not here. Okay, next question, sorry.

• 46:22Josh Horowitz?

  Next, what's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 46:27Josh Horowitz?

  It's Maybell, isn't it? Yeah, there she is. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Last actor you were mistaken for?

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Um.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Probably Haley Lou Richardson or Caitlin Dever.

• 46:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, I feel like.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Where's the, where's the thing of us being sisters? And that I have been trying to manifest a long time. All three of us. What the heck?

• 46:54Josh Horowitz?

  Come on, come on, universe. What's the worst note a director has ever given you?

• 47:02Josh Horowitz?

  No names needed. Yeah.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  A director has ever, ever given me.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't, I don't know. The only thing I can come to mind is like if I hear them like talking shit about, like if I, like if they're saying the note to somebody. I have a problem where I'm listening to too much and I should tune out better. I'm listening to conversations that are not for me to hear sometimes. So the worst note would be like if they said something that I, that wasn't to me, but it was to somebody else because they were, you know, just tell me, you know, that would be my own. But, you know, the note, the bad notes that people might think like do better or louder or faster or be, be prettier.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  I'm like happy to hear that. I'm like, really? Okay. Great. You want me to step in this light better? I look bad there or be louder or be better, be funnier? That I don't mind.

• 47:54Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Um, happy second fuse actor who always makes you happy. You see them on screen.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Emma Stone?

• 48:07Josh Horowitz?

  This is, we'll accept that one. Definitely. Movie that makes you sad.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  Oh, It's a Wonderful Life, which was inspired by Our Town. Just FYI, another mention of the greatest play and greatest movie.

• 48:21Josh Horowitz?

  And I can think of no one better equipped to answer this. A food that makes you confused.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Scallops.

• 48:33Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, no. Oh, I'm.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  So. Yeah.

• 48:38Josh Horowitz?

  This.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  As someone who loves like omakase, Japanese food and that.

• 48:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  And every time I have to tell them like, hey, I don't eat scallops. And they look at me like, oh, she must be a picky eater. It's tough for my ego.

• 48:52Josh Horowitz?

  It feels random. Why? What's, what's that about?

• 48:56Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't like scallops. I don't like scallops. I don't like scallops. I don't like scallops. I don't like.

• 49:03Josh Horowitz?

  It's turned into do like an AA meeting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  You know, can you tell me one food that confuses you?

• 49:11Josh Horowitz?

  I, I, I, I'm more picky than you. I don't like mushrooms, which is a major one. I know. I can, I can get down with a truffle. I can't do like a mushroom. It's a childhood thing. I don't get it. Sour cream.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  What happened in your childhood?

• 49:24Josh Horowitz?

  The giant mushroom that attacked me? No, just meaning like it was just been like since childhood of hated mushrooms.

• 49:30Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. I'm gonna show you Lucy before we go and then I'll, I'll let you get on with your life. Here's Lucy. Lucy, come on.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Lucy.

• 49:37Josh Horowitz?

  Lucy.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Hi, Lucy. Oh. Hi, pumpkin.

• 49:42Josh Horowitz?

  So she, I think I might have mentioned to you, she had some ear surgery recently, but she's doing good. That's why she has this lovely hat on.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  She looks like a babushka.

• 49:51Josh Horowitz?

  I know. Or she's like from that movie, The Village or something.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Like.

• 49:55Josh Horowitz?

  Say hi, say hi to Zoe.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Hi, Lucy, baby. Hi, pumpkin.

• 50:01Josh Horowitz?

  Um, that's Lucy. She's the best. Oh, anyway, I know you're missing Maybel. She's not with you.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  No, she's not a New York girl. She's she said no to me in the in the walk up that I live in.

• 50:14Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  She said, I'm not, I'm not able. But yeah, thank you for that. I needed my my the day I told you there are like a couple pits in my neighborhood that

• 50:22Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Um, I stalk, um, and it they this I'm I wish she was one of them because she's so cool.

• 50:30Josh Horowitz?

  She'll make a trip just for you. Any therapy session, she's ready. Um, thank you, buddy. Congratulations, everybody. Check out your number two. And if you're in New York, if you're making a trip, see our town. It's a classic and our buddy, our legendary actor, Zoe Deutsch. And by the way, we got, we got Jim Parsons in there. We got Katie Holmes. We got it's an amazing cast. Kenny Leon kills it as a director as he always does. Uh, making a make a point of seeing it if you can. We did it.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Love you, Josh.

• 51:00Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you. Love you. All right. Have a good one. Thank you.

• 51:04Speaker 03

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• 51:23Speaker 06

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