Colman Domingo

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  People greet me very warmly, even if it's for a character that they hate it. Like if it's like Victor Strand, or Exon Zola, or The Color Purple, or something. People are really affectionate to me. And I think I get a thing that I don't think a lot of people get. Because some of my colleagues, they said something about that, saying, you know, people want to hug you all the time. I'm like, yeah, they do. People were like, oh, my gosh, can I have a hug? And so whatever that is, whatever that connection is, that feels good. So I'm getting more hugs out in the world, which is kind of awesome.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now.

• 0:38Josh Horowitz?

  Hey, guys, Josh here. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. This week, we have Oscar nominee, make that two-time Oscar nominee, Coleman Domingo. He is on the show talking Sing Sing and his extraordinary career as a star of stage and screen. One of the best out there, and he's finally on the podcast, and he more than lived up to all my expectations. So that is the main event coming up in just a second. But first, a couple reminders. Patreon.com/happy, sad, confused. We have so much going on. We have live events, autographed posters, merch, early access. What more can I give you? Check out our Patreon for all the goodies.

• 1:20Josh Horowitz?

  Supporting us there lets us make more stuff for everybody. So check it out if you're so inclined. Speaking of stuff we're making, I missed doing comedy sketches. For those of you who have followed my career years back, a lot of my early stuff actually was scripted comedy for MTV and Comedy Central. And I lately have been having a real itch to do some of that again. So we did it. We made a really fun sketch with Jack Quaid. Jack Quaid, one of our faves. It is a parody of The Criterion Closet. It is called The Movie Cabinet. We're going to put the link in the show notes. If you haven't checked it out yet, check it out because if a lot of people watch this, hopefully we'll be able to make more of these.

• 2:04Josh Horowitz?

  And I was so proud of what we made, of what Jack performed, killed it, what my editor did, what our shooter did. It was a real team effort and a labor of love. And it is a loving homage parody of The Criterion Closet, which I adore. So hopefully, the Criterion folks don't hate me. Hopefully, Jared Leto and the Morbiest team doesn't hate me. You'll get it. Um, so yeah, so that's, that's one thing to mention. Um, there are live events coming up. We're going to announce them very, very soon, but there's a lot cooking. So if you're in the New York area, good, good things are coming. Uh, if you're on the New York area, there are also some good things coming. So stay tuned for all the announcements. Remember again, go over to the Patreon.

• 2:47Josh Horowitz?

  That's where you first get those early, um, announcements. Okay. This is Coleman Domingo. We cover a lot in this. We cover Sing Sing. We cover his beginnings in Philadelphia as a shy kid. We talk about the long up and down career he had, um, before kind of clicking into another gear in recent years with Fear the Walking Dead and Euphoria. We talk about the future of Euphoria. His upcoming directing effort with Sydney Sweeney, uh, working with Steven Spielberg on his upcoming film. Excited for that one. And Edgar Wright, he just shot a part in The Running Man. Uh, that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot in this conversation. Enjoy it. This is me and one of our greats working today. He is Coleman Domingo. Enjoy.

• 3:32Josh Horowitz?

  Mr. Coleman Domingo, I don't even know how to introduce this gentleman. He's an actor. He's a playwright. He's a, a two-time Oscar nominee now, um, a recipient of an Emmy and so many awards, Tony nominee. Uh, he's one of the best in the business that I've been trying to get him on this podcast for some time. Um, I'm so glad it's happening now, Coleman. Thanks for being on the show, man. I appreciate it.

• 3:52Speaker 00

  Thanks, Josh. Good to be here. Good to be here.

• 3:55Josh Horowitz?

  Um, so a lot to talk about. First of all, big congrats again to Oscar noms in a row, uh, Ruston and now Sing Sing. Um, it's funny, I, I've been listening and watching a lot of conversations you, you've given over the last few years. One, back in 2018, you gave, you said, you know, in about six years, I might not even be doing this. I might be teaching. I might, I might, I might have a shift coming. Well, I don't know. You didn't, I mean, I was gonna say, you didn't, you, things didn't quite go according to plan in the best possible way. What, how do you explain yourself?

• 4:29Speaker 00

  I even, I even became a professor at USC. I really thought, I mean, it was wild. I was really on that path, uh, of teaching or doing something else. And I think, um, the universe had other plans for me, you know? So I guess you stick around long enough, you. You know, suffer the slings and arrows and go through the ebbs and flows of this industry. And sometimes, you know, the sun shines on you and that's a blessing.

• 4:52Josh Horowitz?

  How do you, I mean, rationalize in your brain where you're at now? I mean, you've been a great actor for a long time. And for those in the know, you've been a great actor and you've performed, whether it's on big or small stages in different forms for over many years. And yet, you know, the last five, six years, you are being celebrated on a different level. So I guess I'm wondering, how in your brain do you rationalize that? Because you're not necessarily, I would imagine, thinking you're a better actor than you were 15, 20 years ago. And yet you're being received in a much different way.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  I think the only way I can rationalize it is thinking that is that everything takes time, I guess. And I guess I've just been sort of, I've sort of been meeting the moment when it was time for me to meet it. Whether, and sort of, I guess with this sort of amplification, but I've always been doing the work. So I guess that's maybe for others, it's different. For me, it just feels like, it feels very gradual. It feels like I know the work that I've been putting in. And I've been, you know, whether I've been creating work for myself as a writer or directing and finding different paths to create. So I feel like now it's like, my colleagues would say this, you know, the world has caught up to me because I've been doing this stuff, but under the radar.

• 6:09Speaker 00

  And just doing it because I've constantly been shifting because I, because I had to, actually, I think. I had to find ways to have agency in this industry, you know, especially when the door, you know, no one was knocking on the door and the phone wasn't ringing. I had to figure out how to create. And so, I don't know, for me, the way I rationalize it is that I know, I'll say this. A lot of people can attest to their success by like, oh, these things happened. Or people are like, well, where was that breakthrough moment? I just don't see it that way. I feel like my breakthroughs have always been about me.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Building work and building work that I believed in and trusting that journey. And I do see that where I am now is because a lot of hard work and a lot of, not only hard work that I put in myself, but hard work, I don't know, to just keep rebuilding and build friendships and community, whether it meant San Francisco or New York or London or whatever. But I feel like that's the way I rationalize it. I hope that answered your question.

• 7:18Josh Horowitz?

  No, it makes sense. And I would imagine also equating success, not necessarily with an external, you know, view of it, because that's out of your control. And hopefully, like finding success and satisfaction from the actual process and the collaboration. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that has to be a shift early on in your career, when, when any actor or creative type realizes I can only control what I can control.

• 7:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I, I'm blessed that I learned that early on. And I'm always telling people is, you know, people are like, oh, man, I'm looking for opportunities. I'm like, you, you got to create the opportunities. You can't, you can't complain about lack. You can only complain when you've been doing everything you possibly could, can, in some ways you perform. But I'm like, you have to rethink how you're going to be engaged in this industry. I didn't naturally, and I don't think I went into it wanting to be a director, writer, producer, but out of necessity, I became those things.

• 8:14Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 8:16Josh Horowitz?

  Right, right.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  Necessity. So I, so I always had different, and on many different platforms. You know, I know that the reason why I write musicals or plays or screenplays, I just had to keep shifting and shifting my talents and find out where I could be in service and do some work that could, where I can survive in this industry, to be honest.

• 8:34Josh Horowitz?

  For you, especially again, in the, in these recent years where your, your stature, your, your, your profile has been elevated, it must be fascinating to walk through the world because you are so many different things to different people. Like, you can walk down the street and to a teenage girl, you are, oh, my God, that's the guy from Euphoria. And then there's a Walking Dead fan over here. And then there's a theater nerd over here. That must be thrilling and, and discombobulating in the best possible way.

• 9:01Speaker 00

  It is. Well, now it's like, it's funny, I've noticed if even in the last few years. That I used to be able to figure out exactly where a person knew me from by the demographic, you know, but now I just can't because you know, I've been on more of these world platforms. And I just have fan, my fan base is every color hue, gender, sexuality, background, you name it.

• 9:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  But the one thing that is common, which I just really love is that people greet me very warmly, even if it's for a character that they hated. Like if it's like Victor Strand or Exon Zola or the Color Purple or something, there are people are really affectionate to me. And I think I get a thing that I don't think a lot of people get because some of my colleagues, they, they said something about that saying, you know, people want to hug you all the time. I'm like, yeah, they do. People were like, oh my gosh, can I, can I have a hug? And so whatever that is, whatever that connection is, that feels good. So I'm getting more hugs out in the world, which is kind of awesome.

• 10:02Josh Horowitz?

  Well, it's about the breadth of the work. I mean, if I'd only seen you in Zoa, yeah, maybe I'd be a little scared of you. But I've seen you as the most, the warmest character.

• 10:09Speaker 00

  Or tell it, you never know.

• 10:12Josh Horowitz?

  No judgments. No, but yeah, yeah. I, I feel like Christoph Waltz isn't being welcomed with hugs around the world. People are seeing him.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  Exactly. Yeah, they see him and run. I don't know.

• 10:26Josh Horowitz?

  Um, let's give some love to Sig Sig. I mean, what a, what a beautiful story. Congratulations, man. And, and a story that, look, I know this has been a long road. You've been talking about this way longer than you actually shot the film, like 18, 19 days, shot a few years back. And, um, you know, the fact that we're now talking about a film that's nominated for three Academy Awards and is back in theaters and still is just connecting with people. Um, I don't know. Just give me a sense of how meaningful that is to you as we sit here today.

• 10:57Speaker 00

  It's very meaningful. I, I think, um, even the way we created it was with so much care and respect and love, um, towards these men who were, they found theater to be their salvation and transform their lives. And so, um, just being a part of creating that and creating it with them has been extraordinary. And then for it to be received as such, it's been being received, I think with the intent that we poured into it. Um, you don't make a film like this to make money. You make a film like this to be in service to humanity and

• 11:37Speaker 00

  to sort of change people's minds about something, affect them. And so I know that, you know, people are just well up with emotion at the end of the film, but it also feels actionable, like they want to do something. They, they've learned, they want to learn more and figure this, figure this out, this whole system of the prison industrial complex that I think a lot of times people don't think about. So for me, it helps, um, you know, if I could be a part of something that actually does some real change, you know, that's, you know, I'm, I'm not naturally somebody who's drawn to anything that's like inherently political or anything.

• 12:16Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 12:16Speaker 00

  But it is to change people in some way and change their minds and also change, uh, you know, and advocacy for people. Like, you know, the JJ, one of my classmates was, um, was exonerated from his crime. You know, he was wrongly accused of a crime just about a couple of months ago. And I do, I have to believe that the amplification of the film helped that out.

• 12:37Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I mean-

• 12:38Speaker 00

  To actually do some real change.

• 12:40Josh Horowitz?

  It's huge. I mean, like, I, I, I remember, we were talking before, when you hopped on the Zoom, um, about your roots and spending some time in, in Northern California. My, my aunt is a photographer, actually, in Berkeley and did this amazing exhibit when I was growing up, um, San Quentin and documented these amazing, these prisoners taught photography in San Quentin. And I remember seeing that as a kid and even that- Humanizing, de-otherizing, whatever the word is of these folks that we are sadly often conditioned not to throw away the key, that like, these are not human beings.

• 13:17Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 13:19Josh Horowitz?

  And, and, and this, that is what this film, I think, I mean, really spoke to me about, um, and I'm sure speaking to many people.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  I think, you know, I have to say this because I think it's not said that often, but a lot of this big, open heart of this film, um, belongs to Greg Queedah, my director. Uh, he cares so much, um, as he's learned by being a volunteer at Sing Sing about these men and telling their stories and being in service to their stories. And that's why he invited every single one of us, when he invited me to be a part of this and help create it from the ground up. I knew that was the task was that, oh, we're gonna be open-hearted about this work, which is not always the case when making a film, you know? You know, but we're gonna be, but we're really gonna mean what we say and say what we mean

• 14:09Speaker 00

  and create this, um, this beautiful, loving gift to humanity.

• 14:14Josh Horowitz?

  And then not to mention, I think folks know by now, but to refresh, like, the way you shot this, you're working with these men who have had this lived in experience, who lived versions of these lives that are being portrayed. And for you, what a challenge and what a unique opportunity. Um, I mean, they can call you, they can call BS to your face if they, if they had the opportunity. I mean, are you, are you, were you, was that on your mind? Like, did you almost ask them to check you?

• 14:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. That was, I didn't ask them to check me, but that was my own internal terror, where I knew as I was navigating this territory, I didn't want to feel performative. I didn't want to feel like I was acting their experience in any shape or form. So I had to find who Divine G was in me and bring a bit more of Coleman to the role, to become that sort of every man that I sort of. I don't know, envision Divine G to be, and just from what I gleaned from him. Um, so I know it called on something different, so I wouldn't be called out and like bullshit.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  I want, I need to fold myself in with them as they needed to sort of find their way with me as a person who knows how to navigate um, a film set. And I think, so we knew we were creating sort of this hybrid, and I know I needed some touchstones in order to do the work, uh, like casting Sean Sandoz, who plays Mike Mike, he's my very best friend of thirty years, or Sharon Washington, who plays the parole board hearing officer. Um, who's like my sister, or Paul Raci. I needed sort of these, um, anchors.

• 15:51Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 15:51Speaker 00

  So I could be as vulnerable and as open as possible. So there's no sort of polish to the work, but it more of a grit and a rawness and a bit more unmasking that I think what was required.

• 16:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I've, I've heard you describe this as kind of your most raw performance for, you know, like, and I guess I'm, I'm wondering, in practice, like, what is being stripped away? What are you like, what are you, what consciously are you trying not to do? Is, is, is, can you act in opposition?

• 16:19Speaker 00

  Trying not to act.

• 16:20Josh Horowitz?

  But isn't that always the task? You don't want to see that. Have anyone.

• 16:24Speaker 00

  That's the hardest task for any actor. And I feel like everyone arrives at it, you can arrive at it in your own unique way. But I think, because, I mean, listen, all the, all these exercises you do when you're a young student or in theater school or a practitioner of it, that tries to get you to just do the thing that is actually very honest, which is to listen and respond. To actually be a human being in space. That's actually hard, actually. It's really hard.

• 16:52Josh Horowitz?

  Shut out all the noise and be in the moment and act like a, yeah.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it's hard to trust that you're enough. That's actually, it's something psychologically to know that you're, that.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  This is somebody who's been doing this work over thirty years is that I had to trust that Coleman wasn't enough for into this character. Not I was gonna find and dial all these interesting things and and research materials and build a character out, but I had to trust that my source material was inside of me, was my lived experience, was my experience in the theater and loving Shakespeare and all these things that I found similar with Divine G Whitfield. I just had to put myself in the circumstances of a prison and these extraordinary circumstances he was in, but while he's still holding on to his humanity and light and joy. So for me, I had to navigate that and that required a different way of building than I ever was offered to build. I usually, you know,

• 17:48Speaker 00

  people know I play things of size. I can play or I could build a character out, you know what I mean, with a backstory and a history. And this one, I was like, no, this one's different. This one is um, this is the no more of a secret, but it's more Coleman than ever imagined.

• 18:06Josh Horowitz?

  And the irony, as you're alluding to, is like, that's when you feel most exposed, when when you're not hiding behind an accent or something big or broad or whatever. It's when you're just like presenting a version of yourself, like, oh, shit, this is me. Like, this is kind of

• 18:20Speaker 00

  They're playing versions of themselves. So I played a version of myself and literally, I just, I've only watched the film, I've watched the film in its in its final cut once because it was too much for me because I feel like it's it's too emotionally connected to me. There's something, a visceral thing that you feel that's still in your body. And I knew it was too much for me to watch and then go out and do a Q and A. I'm like, I just can't do it. My castmates, well, yeah, let's watch some before we go out. I'm like, I can't do it.

• 18:48Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

• 18:56Josh Horowitz?

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• 22:24Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, if you'll indulge me, I know you've talked a lot about your background, but for those that don't know,

• 22:30Josh Horowitz?

  Philly kid, introverted, as I understand it, shy. Are these the right adjectives? What was your, what was your safe space as a kid? Like, were you in the library? Were you watching TV? What was, where were you at?

• 22:44Speaker 00

  My safe space was the West Philadelphia Public Library on 52nd and Chestnut Street, where I would go to every day after school, I would go straight to the library and stay there until dinnertime. So my mother always knew where to find me and my stepfather too. Somebody, my sister would come and pick me up usually and we'd go home and have dinner. But that was my safe space. It was, I love books. I love. The smell of books. I love it. The library was the most peaceful place. And there's a place where I can go and I can imagine everything outside of West Philly. It was always in the books, you know, ancient Egypt and Rome and all the places I would travel and see. So it was already impressing upon me a great imagination.

• 23:29Speaker 00

  And I would do, I remember we had this on, you could do film strips. And it's funny, I tell people about this and they're like, what are you talking about? We used to, they used to give us these film strips. You used to draw little scenes on each film strip. And so then you put in the projector and you would, you'd tell what the story is. So you're making sort of your own film with like maybe six frames, which is cool. So I don't know. I feel like all that kind of stuff probably sort of, you know, planted some seeds into being in this industry more than I even knew.

• 23:59Josh Horowitz?

  And obviously it took you a while to kind of like discover this was going to be what you were going to pursue. You, you go to temple, you pursue journalism at first, but like growing up, like were there, were there actors or filmmakers that you were aware of that like really caught your eye that like you internalized that were resonant to you or did that come later?

• 24:19Speaker 00

  That all came later. I think my whole education when it comes to film.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  Listen, I, you know, the most that I, the exposure I had was television like anyone else. I watched, you know, Bob Newhart and as a kid, which is funny, I just love Bob Newhart when I was like eight, but and I watched the Flintstones and the Brady Bunch and, you know, Alice and things like that. So I watched a lot of television. I didn't know that there like that I could become one of those people. Those people who lived in, on the screen, they live somewhere in this magical place called Hollywood. Someplace that I, I don't know where that is, but it's not within my reach. So I didn't know that I could have a path to becoming an actor, director, writer, anything. I had no idea.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  Cause you know, I grew up in a very, you know, it's a working class neighborhood in Philadelphia. And the dreams of our parents was for you to go to college and for you to do better than they did and get a job. It was about a job. I don't think I hurt anybody. Having a career, right now, whatever the thing you did, you weren't supposed to enjoy.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  You came home from it tired.

• 25:37Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  That's what it seemed like. It seemed like a career. You mean, somebody who enjoys what they do?

• 25:44Josh Horowitz?

  Can't even fathom the idea of enjoying what you do. Did you, did you? Cause so many years were spent, again, succeeding and then, you know, going back and forth from big successes, Tony nominations, then back to bartending, this crazy kind of dichotomy of like highs and then just back to reality. What was your, you, you mentioned your parents. I know you, you, you talk about your mom a lot. She's, her name's on your production company. Were your parents worried about you? At what point did they stop worrying? Did they know it was going to work out for you?

• 26:17Speaker 00

  They didn't know it was going to work out, but they knew that.

• 26:21Speaker 00

  My mother always believed I had a good head on my shoulders and my, my dad too, my stepfather, they always believed that like, I'm going to be all right. Um, even when I moved to San Francisco to pursue the theater.

• 26:34Speaker 00

  Literally, my parents always just said, do what makes you happy because they had jobs. They were like, we want you to actually be happy. So figure that out for yourself. And so of course I think my, my, my parents would be worried like anyone else, but my, my dad was a very, you know, blue collar guy. Who sort of was like.

• 26:54Speaker 00

  He trusted you, you know, you, I had to build myself to become the man that I needed to be. So he trusted wherever I was navigating. He just wanted to be me, me to be a man of my word and do what I, do what I say and be a good, and be a good person. And, um, and my mom was, she was the one who was always.

• 27:14Speaker 00

  She wouldn't worry, but she would be my, my hype man, my, uh, my dream backer. You know, she was just like, you know what? Because she would do things like I said this before, but she would write to Oprah all the time. And I'm like, what is that? What is that going to do? So I was maybe a little cynical, but she, I think that her letters reached Oprah because Oprah is dearly in my life now. So my mother had to dream it and she had to actually, she, you know, sometimes I think that you need somebody else to dream for you. Cause sometimes you just can't see the vision. And I feel like that's what I think as, as I'm in that old age of 55 years old.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  I can see that now. I can see that like, okay, sometimes, you know, it's not even about what you dream. It's about what someone else dreams for you. And even if that was like embedded in your heart and sort of quiet, it did affect you. You did think about that, you know? You weren't that cynical, you know?

• 28:13Josh Horowitz?

  So I, I alluded to this. So you always, I hear you always talking about the side hustles you've always had throughout your life and career. Like you, you bar-

• 28:19Speaker 00

  I don't have one.

• 28:23Josh Horowitz?

  What's, what's the current side hustle? What are you working on?

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Jobs. I just have a lot of jobs.

• 28:28Josh Horowitz?

  You do have a lot of jobs. I've noticed. We've all noticed.

• 28:32Josh Horowitz?

  Save some for the rest of us, man. Come on.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  I'm impressed with how much I work. I'm like, oh my God, that's right. Even my people are like, oh, so what do you have going on? I'm usually like, oh, nothing. A couple of things. And then we go down the list.

• 28:42Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 28:43Speaker 00

  It's staggering, but it's because I, I know I have a good work ethic and I like what I do.

• 28:52Speaker 00

  So I guess that's it. My side hustles are just a lot of jobs. So good content.

• 28:56Josh Horowitz?

  Well, I was gonna say, here's one that I haven't heard you talk about you, but you mentioned in passing. So yes, bartending, a headshot photographer. I want to hear about, uh, dancing at bar mitzvahs, being the guy that gets everybody on their feet because that-

• 29:08Speaker 00

  That was the gig. That was the gig in New York, man. That was my gig. That's what I found that. Cause I think, I think I just, it was like, I think literally it was like in backstage magazine. Cause they knew where to find the, the people who could dance and hype people up. So I answered that. I worked for this company. I felt like it was called Metropolitan or something, but they would, they would test me out. And there was, there's the, there's the host, there's the DJ, and then there's the dancer. She was the core of like four to six dancers, depending on how big the bat mitzvah was. Now, I'd never been to bat mitzvahs, and I didn't realize they were like as big as a wedding. And like, what there was the video projections and the money that was spent on it. Oh, my God, this is incredible for that kid. That kid is like living.

• 29:51Speaker 00

  And then the thing is, with Dan, I became, because I was a good dancer. I was always the dancer at my college parties and stuff. So I would get, you know, all, somebody's bubby up, dancing and killing. You get the, you get bubby up. Everybody's on the dance. Cause they're like, you wanna see, you wanna see eighty-five-year-old woman dance?

• 30:12Josh Horowitz?

  Everybody's suddenly like, oh.

• 30:14Speaker 00

  With this twenty-one-year-old black guy. They're like, oh, my God, Bubby is killing it. And I'm, I'm like doing like It Takes Two, or, you know, The Kid in the Play or something. And we're tearing it up. And so everybody gets to the dance floor. And then the, the best thing is, is that if you're popular at one bat mitzvah.

• 30:32Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah, the friend group, the parents, all they.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Oh, you had, they, they were already, they were throwing, you know, especially, you know, the sexy older women. Also throwing their numbers like, oh, my God, you've gotta come, you know, I have, you know, my daughter.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  Terrible New York.

• 30:49Josh Horowitz?

  Not so bad.

• 30:50Speaker 00

  I'm gonna go with my daughter, she's, hers is in six months, we gotta get you, we gotta get you. So you're like, yeah, all right, cool. And then you negotiate your fee a little higher.

• 30:58Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  I mean, this was like for a couple of years, and I became a really highly paid gigolo, no dancer for a.

• 31:09Josh Horowitz?

  You and Paul Rudd, Rudd did this too. You guys need to compare notes.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  Of course he did. That makes a lot of sense, actually.

• 31:15Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:16Josh Horowitz?

  Well, I just, I just went, my, my two nieces just had a double bat mitzvah. So I wish I'd known this prior, I would have called upon your.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  So they had a double bat mitzvah and did they was it supersized was it like really

• 31:31Josh Horowitz?

  I mean I had not been to one like this was exactly what you're saying

• 31:34Speaker 00

  What's the number of that well I want to know I'm going to get a ballpark of how much these things are cost costing people

• 31:39Josh Horowitz?

  I mean I can get my you want me to zoom in my sister because it's been on her mind a lot

• 31:44Speaker 00

  It's it's like and yeah it's it's a cost like and they would they would have like high end celebrities performing there too which was awesome one day they had Taylor Dane performing I was like what Taylor and this wasn't too far after like tell it to my heart she was like I'm here for the gig and I was like I respect you Taylor

• 32:02Josh Horowitz?

  Look if if things take a turn Coleman you can always go back to the bat mitzvah circuit

• 32:07Speaker 00

  Listen you know the and they don't even need to take a turn you know I told you I like jobs I could just do one on a Saturday no problem

• 32:14Josh Horowitz?

  He's available he's really not available but he's available apparently

• 32:19Speaker 00

  You know sometimes you need that number you get the number up I might be able to do it

• 32:23Josh Horowitz?

  Speaking about good gigs this is a good segue into something that did change the course of your career which was fear the walking dead um talk to me a little bit about your attitude going into that and how quickly it might have shifted like did you have a little bit of like eh this is not my this is not going to be for me

• 32:39Speaker 00

  Yes yes I was a theater snob I was like absolutely not and I just moved over to um the agent that still represents me at Elizabeth Weider's time and she literally said oh my God there's um a show it's the precursor to the walking dead and I was like what's that they were like you don't know the walking dead it's just a huge show on AMC I'm like I don't watch TV and so I I know I really had an attitude when she was like I'm going to see the script I think you would really like this and I was like immediately I thought well obviously this person does not know me because she's going to send me some genre thing

• 33:12Speaker 00

  or some TV thing I'm not interested she sends me the the sides and it was fantastic it was everything I thought I was like oh I didn't know TV could be like this it was rich it was great storytelling a really provocative character and I thought I had a take on the character so I I sent that tape in without even thinking about it and then literally a couple of days later I got an offer just from a self tape To be a serious regular in Fear the Walking Dead. Apparently I had a good take on it. So, um.

• 33:43Josh Horowitz?

  And that's a legit game changer. That's, I mean, that changes things. I mean, we always like to say.

• 33:48Speaker 00

  It literally did change my, my entire career because I thought like just before that, I thought that I had achieved what I was supposed to achieve and I was kindly ready to step away from the whole industry because I, things were not just progressing the way I thought that made sense. I wasn't booking, I was working, I had no access or agency and I was entering my mid forties and I was like, I can't sustain this. I need to, you know, get a real job. Or at least, at least a job that makes sense, you know, that, that where I should see how it's going to support me and maintain because the, the life of the artist was just too rocky for me at the time. And, you know, I was trying to make a decision that

• 34:29Speaker 00

  where I wouldn't be bitter or, or hardened by this industry. And I wanted to step away while I still loved it. Um, but then Fear the Walking Dead gave me footing back in the industry in a new way.

• 34:40Josh Horowitz?

  It's funny, when I look at your career and I hear you talk about it and, and, and the, and the, the long road it's been, I think of somebody that's come up a lot in, in your conversations. You worked with him a couple of times as Chadwick Boseman, who I had the privilege of, of knowing a bit too. And, you know, for those that don't know, Chadwick was working a while before it kind of all clicked. He was, he was kind of under the radar, doing theater, doing small stuff. And, I mean, how far back, when did you and Chadwick connect?

• 35:06Speaker 00

  I wish I can give you the exact year, but I, I'd like to say it was around two thousand

• 35:13Speaker 00

  five or six.

• 35:14Josh Horowitz?

  So this is way before forty two, like you guys.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  Oh, way, way before forty two and everything. Chadwick and I did a reading of a play together. And we just really liked each other. We just like, we were like, we're like, okay, this is, it was, it was just a good vibe. And then I was able to do, um, the movie forty two. I had a couple of scenes and then I cut the whole character. So it's funny. That's always in my, my IMDB, but I'm like, I'm cut out of the movie. But, but we had a great time together and he was just like, it was, we just always, he just always had a twinkle and a smile in his eye with me because he knew that we could sort of spar together. So by the time we got to Marini's Black Bottom, that was full out. It was.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  We, I loved working with him. Um, I love that company, but I love, I remember the first day I saw him, he was like, oh, Coleman, I can't wait to dance with you. And so for me, cause he liked, he liked that sparring, like with another actor. Um, and we would challenge each other one with our musicianship by learning our instruments. So everything about it was like, cause we respected each other so much. We were like, I like, oh, okay. I see what you're doing with that instrument. Okay. Now I'm gonna go practice a lot even more. So it felt like a friendly spar, which is great. I, I, I miss, I miss him.

• 36:31Josh Horowitz?

  And I, I feel like you two both share also. I mean, he talked a lot openly about like, you know, the importance of representing culture and, and pushing culture and kind of like being at the center of culture. Um, as a black man today, like what he did in the short time, he was kind of like elevated to that kind of center status in film is such an inspiration.

• 36:51Speaker 00

  I think, and what a great thing to say. I, I think as I'm thinking about it right now, I think Chad and I, we always felt like,

• 37:03Speaker 00

  I know he did, cause he was, I never just thought of him as an actor. I always thought he was so much more.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  We watch him deliver like a commencement speech or the way he navigated the industry and the way he was a musician, even the way he walked through spaces. The way he wore his hat or the way he wore his clothes. He was just concerned with being, I don't know, such a bigger person than it just wasn't an artist. It was so much more. And I think that's how we sort of saw each other. We saw each other like, you know, we're not, we're not limited and just like, we're not just actors trying to get a gig, but we're trying to do something

• 37:42Speaker 00

  with this sort of responsibility that we have. Uh, as storytellers, as a, to engage with culture and society. And we, and we both, we don't take it lightly. I, I do feel,

• 37:55Speaker 00

  it's funny, I thought about this actually a while ago, cause I thought Chad was such my, um,

• 38:03Speaker 00

  I'll tell you a story. Chad said, um, I remember the night, the night before, um, the night before party. And he was being feted around town for Black Panther. And I see him at the, at the, at the night before party and he's surrounded by a bunch of like, I feel like they were like CIA agents or something, but there was a whole team of people around him and I had no team around me. I was just, this guy came in from New York. Wants a night before party, very happy to be there. And I hadn't seen him since forty-two and I saw this evolution of him. And I was saying, I stepped up and I hate Chad. I don't know if you remember me. I'm called, he's Coleman Domingo. I was like, yeah, hey Chad, how's it going? I said, it's fun. Congratulate you on our success for Black Panther.

• 38:49Speaker 00

  And he just looked at me. And then he turned to his whole team of people being like, this one right here, that's the truth. That one, keep your eye on him. Keep your eye on him. And I was like, oh, well, thank you so much. He was like, no, he said, no. And he literally, he's grabbing somebody said, that one right there. And so that explains Chad. He had enough for everybody. He never believed he was challenged by anything. He, if anything, he lifted another person up. Especially, I, I, you know, it's difficult sometimes in this industry, believing that there's enough. Especially when you, you know, if you're standing in spaces that are pretty limited. Right. But then you have somebody who says, who's never,

• 39:32Speaker 00

  literally, he was like that all the way through, uh, of being an advocate for, um, fellow brothers.

• 39:39Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. No, I mean, in an industry when sadly, like for a long time, arguably, it's like, we're going to have like two black actors be leading men right now. Yeah. That's, that's our quota right now.

• 39:51Speaker 00

  And he was, he was never, he was never challenged by me. And of course I always wanted to just lift him up as well. So I feel like we, we shared that. We literally share, we were born a day apart, different years, but we're both Sagittarians. We both love the fact that we're both born a day apart. So we felt like we were very kindred.

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• 41:48Josh Horowitz?

  Here's a connection I'd like to make, and this has been tried to secret into the universe for a while. We need to get you into the MCU, man. Has this, have we got, have we come close?

• 41:56Speaker 00

  You know what? I am now.

• 41:58Josh Horowitz?

  Well, you, I, yes.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, you want the live action, you want the live action.

• 42:02Josh Horowitz?

  I want the full Coleman, I need the full Coleman.

• 42:05Speaker 00

  You're a full body Coleman. Okay, you know, I'm like, I'm trying to give you a little bit of Norman Osborn.

• 42:09Josh Horowitz?

  No, I like it, and I've been liking it.

• 42:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, Pete, you liking it?

• 42:13Josh Horowitz?

  I am, I'm enjoying it. What's it, what's it been like to be an iconic, an iconic villain, albeit in?

• 42:18Speaker 00

  It's cool, but I do want to get the live action out too. Wouldn't that be kind of cool, right? I mean, I would love to tear that up on, on the big screen, but I'm having a great time. Actually, love, I love the animation. I love the idea of playing Norman Osborn and then, and then. You'll see his evolution to the Green Goblin in coming seasons, which would be very cool.

• 42:42Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing. So I mean, I know you were made aware because people kept asking you about this whole, all the Kang rumors and everything. Like when you heard about that, like, oh, they're going to recast it with Coleman. Do you initiate conversations with like your folks say like, can I talk to somebody at Marvel and see if there's something to to talk about?

• 42:57Speaker 00

  Listen, after a while, when it was constantly in the press and on places like, you know, Twitter, I started to, I was like, wait a minute. Is this true? Am I being talked about for gigs? So I literally called up my team and said, are you guys having conversations that I don't know anything about? They're like, no, I don't know. And then I was like, are you guys being cagey or what? And they weren't, I don't think so, but I think that there were, there had been conversations of me coming into Marvel in some way. So we did follow up with a sit down meeting with the heads of Marvel. So I did do that. And we talked openly about the landscape of Marvel and or even like the Kang rumors.

• 43:38Speaker 00

  And I, I personally knew that like, listen, I, I'm just all about energy and I just want to like do things that make sense and brings gentle energy and, but I feel like I want a role to be mine, whatever that role is, whatever I develop. I don't want to, something didn't feel right of me like, oh, would I replace someone or so I said, no, I want to build something from the ground up that's my own. So I feel like that was never a conversation from my point of view. You know what I mean? If I was discussed, I still don't know if I was discussed, but um, I just know that I would want to build something from the ground up. So there's still talks.

• 44:16Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Um, speaking of talks, Euphoria seems a little more real now for the next season. Do we, can I put money on this? You guys are actually going to get before the cameras. You're going to shoot another season of Euphoria. You feeling confident?

• 44:29Speaker 00

  Cameras are up. Yes. Yeah, we're in production right now. Yeah.

• 44:36Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, you are?

• 44:37Speaker 00

  We are.

• 44:38Josh Horowitz?

  I didn't realize that. Okay, okay.

• 44:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:40Josh Horowitz?

  So you shot footage of the new season?

• 44:44Speaker 00

  I haven't shot yet, but we are shooting now. Yes.

• 44:47Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing.

• 44:47Speaker 00

  I'm being cheeky, right?

• 44:49Josh Horowitz?

  No, I love it. No, I'm excited to hear this. So can you demystify this a little bit for me? Because I had a long conversation recently with Lily Rose Depp about Sam. She loves Sam Levinson. Oh, I've spoken to a bunch of actors that love Sam Levinson. And yet there's this kind of like, I don't know, this aura of like chaos that surrounds like Euphoria and The Idol. And yet I know you love, you've spoken very beautifully about this collaboration with Sam. What are people not getting? Like, what's, what's the disconnect on the Sam Levinson production front?

• 45:18Speaker 00

  I wish I knew what other people were thinking or how they thought about it or where this chaos comes from. And I'm being very sincere about it because I've never had any of those experiences on set or in development or around my friend Sam. Sam's a good man. He's got a good heart. He, every, in my whole experience, he's, he would hand me the pen and say, what do you think about the character? He, he really wants to be a collaborator and he runs a pretty calm set. I just think that there's, you know, this film skyrocketed into the zeitgeist. And, and my friend Sam does not speak well and speak and press.

• 46:03Speaker 00

  And so people try to put things on it because they can't, they, they want to put something on it. Whether it's based on the work and the material and they want to assume many things. That's what I think it is because it's, it's, it's hot in the zeitgeist. And I know that Sam is just very concerned about doing the work and creating good story more than anything and not the noise. I think that, that's actually what I think.

• 46:27Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. No, I appreciate the honesty there.

• 46:29Speaker 00

  In such a succinct way, but I think that's exactly it. I think the. The, the, the, the noise will, will be noise because the show is so huge in the zeitgeist. And people will put on it whatever they want to put on it, you know?

• 46:46Josh Horowitz?

  All right, I want to hit up a few more things and then I promise to let you go because you, you do, you have so many side hustles going. So, speaking of, speaking of Euphoria, I love Sydney Sweeney and I love that she's the one that came to you with doing this, this film about Sammy Davis and Kim Novak. Uh, by the way, new fan of David Johnson, great casting there. This guy has the goods. That's gonna, that's amazing. Um, so, so this is, is this on the docket for later this year? You're trying to get this in production?

• 47:12Speaker 00

  It is, it's on for later this year. Our plan is to shoot it after Euphoria. Yeah, I plan on going into prep, uh, before Euphoria ends. So my, my goal is to at least in the fall, be shooting this with Sydney and David.

• 47:25Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing. Do you connect with Sydney on that kind of like side hustle thing? Because I feel like she is a hustler in the best possible way. She is, she wants it all.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, she likes a lot of jobs. I, I think Sydney is one of the smartest, um, young actresses, I think, of modern times. She really, she knows where she is in this industry and then where she would like to be. You know, I think she's not afraid of hard work and she's very kind and, um, and she's really smart. You know, she reminds me of like-

• 47:58Josh Horowitz?

  People underestimate her at, at their own peril. They, I think she is not-

• 48:02Speaker 00

  What they underestimated, um, Marilyn Monroe, didn't they? And Marilyn Monroe had a production company, she deals, she was, and, um, but you know, you know, Lucille Ball, I feel like, she's stepping into that territory or even what like Sandra Bullock has done for herself. I think Sydney aligns with these women.

• 48:18Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, it must be a nice phone call to get from Steven Spielberg many years after a nice juicy, small little role in, in Lincoln. And that to get presumably, I imagine this is a juicier role in a big old UFO. We know that that's at least somewhat the subject matter of the next Spielberg directing effort. Um, what's it like to know that you're going to be front and center with Steven pretty soon?

• 48:41Speaker 00

  It's it's so um it's so lovely because Steven is such a a good man, a great collaborator. We've had great phone calls and and he's just very easy and he's I can't say it enough. He's very kind and he will he'll send you information to digest and he says, you know, you can always call me anytime. So he's that true collaborator. He says, literally, you want me to call you at any time when I have a question? Yeah, that's what I want. So I feel like um whatever seeds that were planted years ago when I when I even auditioned for Steven in New York and he walks through Bernie Telsey casting office with a baseball

• 49:21Speaker 00

  cap on and I think a Diet Coke in his hand and he goes, hello, I'm like, it's Steven Spielberg. I still feel that way, but now I know it's Steven, my friend, who I don't know, he he can't be more affectionate. He's so affectionate and kind and he just wants to still do good work. And I think he works as if he is doing it for the first time. He always feels I feel like he feels inventive, like he's just getting started.

• 49:48Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, his West Side Story was one of the best films I think he's made in his career and just to see that he's still operating on that level. Amazing.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I'm excited. We have a beautiful cast. I look forward to working with all of them. And so, um, yeah, we're still we're we'll get started on that soon.

• 50:05Josh Horowitz?

  So where on the spectrum of alien movies? Is it more Close Encounters or War of the Worlds? What's uh what's the vibe?

• 50:12Speaker 00

  I think it's something new.

• 50:14Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  I think it's new and different. Um, but I tell you one thing, it has it has so much heart and it has um, I feel like it's a love letter to our humanity.

• 50:29Josh Horowitz?

  And he he co-wrote this one. So and he doesn't do that often. He doesn't, you know.

• 50:33Speaker 00

  No, he co-wrote this one because I so I feel like this is. This is very Steven Spielberg. It's it's probably more Steven Spielberg than Steven Spielberg.

• 50:42Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing. Well, I'm hyped already. And now I'm more hyped. Okay, the only other one I want to mention that I think you've shot already. Big Edgar Wright fan.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  Running Man, yeah.

• 50:51Josh Horowitz?

  So you're you're Richard Dawson territory. I know it's a much different take. That was that movie was its own thing. This is more true to the book. I know it.

• 50:57Speaker 00

  And Edgar's hands, my God, we I had such a good time. I had a I was like shot out of the cannon. If I had a blast. Especially with Glenn Powell and Josh Brolin and Lee Pace, they're all great dudes. We had a great time. And Edgar's mind is so vast and and and you just want to get inside his brain. And you're like. It's it's the film itself is like sort of this dystopian, chaotic world where murder is the game show.

• 51:31Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 51:31Speaker 00

  And and it feels um feels timely.

• 51:37Speaker 00

  You know, it feels um it feels like I have such a pulse. I'm excited for people to see it, you know.

• 51:44Josh Horowitz?

  All right, I'm gonna let you go on this. We end every episode with the happy, sad, confused, profoundly random questions. A little rapid fire for you, buddy. Are you a dog or a cat person?

• 51:54Speaker 00

  My dog or cat person? I'm a cat person.

• 51:59Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, no wrong answers. All good. Do you collect anything?

• 52:06Speaker 00

  Do I collect anything?

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Yes, I collect architecture books.

• 52:16Josh Horowitz?

  Nice. Okay. Uh, were you ever a video game, a game person? Do you have a favorite video game of all time?

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Pac-Man.

• 52:24Josh Horowitz?

  Classic. Can't go wrong. Can't go wrong. Here's a provocative one. Would you rather be four feet taller or four feet shorter?

• 52:33Speaker 00

  Four feet shorter.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  I don't know. I feel like being that tall, I'm like, that's gonna be really awkward in spaces. I don't know. It feels very uncomfortable. So I get it. I'll go for smaller.

• 52:44Josh Horowitz?

  What's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 52:47Speaker 00

  What's the wallpaper on my phone?

• 52:53Speaker 00

  That's boring. California.

• 52:56Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, well, okay.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  It's the, it's the least. I know where I. You know, maybe that's because I know where I am because sometimes I travel some, I have no idea where I am.

• 53:04Josh Horowitz?

  It's a good reminder.

• 53:06Josh Horowitz?

  It's the least exciting thing about you. Everything else is exciting. The wallpaper doesn't have to be.

• 53:11Speaker 00

  It's so boring.

• 53:13Josh Horowitz?

  Is the last actor you were mistaken for? Does that ever happen?

• 53:17Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Um, Adrie Selba.

• 53:20Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 53:20Speaker 00

  I'll take that, though. That's fine.

• 53:22Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, come on.

• 53:24Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, worst note a director has ever given you?

• 53:29Speaker 00

  Um, I'll see, this is a terrible thing because I feel like when they give me a bad note, I just look at them like they're crazy, like they grew three heads and I just don't take it.

• 53:36Josh Horowitz?

  That's okay. Doesn't change that the note's bad.

• 53:39Speaker 00

  Maybe that's it. Maybe I, I don't know. I just, I just give a glare that makes people feel like I'm going to incinerate them on the spot.

• 53:47Josh Horowitz?

  Get away from me with your bad notes.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:49Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, and in the spirit of happy, sad, confused, who's an actor you always see on screen that makes you happy. You see them and you're immediately in a better mood.

• 53:57Speaker 00

  Daniel Day-Lewis.

• 54:00Josh Horowitz?

  Gold standard. A movie that always makes you sad?

• 54:04Speaker 00

  It's a Wonderful Life.

• 54:07Josh Horowitz?

  And finally, a food that makes you confused, Coleman. You don't get it. Why do people eat that?

• 54:15Speaker 00

  Barata.

• 54:18Josh Horowitz?

  Are you, what? I can't even compute that. Why?

• 54:21Speaker 00

  Barat, what does it taste like? Nothing.

• 54:23Josh Horowitz?

  It's creamy deliciousness.

• 54:25Speaker 00

  It's not creamy or nothing. It tastes like, like a paper. It's tasty anything. You gotta put olive oil and basil or something on it. You gotta make it something. But it has zero flavor and zero purpose and people are always trying to pull out a barata salad. And you're like, I don't understand it. I don't get it.

• 54:40Josh Horowitz?

  Wow. Someone wronged you. Someone gave you the wrong barata because you.

• 54:43Speaker 00

  Jacked me up with barata. I don't like it. I don't want it. Don't you ever give me barata.

• 54:48Josh Horowitz?

  No barata for this man, but more nominations, more acclaim. It's all coming your way. Well deserved. Everybody check out Sing Sing if you haven't already. It's a beautiful performance, a beautiful film. Uh, have a blast at the Oscars. You're regular now. They just have that seat waiting for you.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  Good. Thank you.

• 55:05Josh Horowitz?

  This was really a pleasure, man. I've wanted this one for a while. So thank you for everything today.

• 55:08Speaker 00

  Blast. Thank you so much, man.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't prepared to do this by Josh.

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