TE Travis Kelce on Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Patrick Mahomes, Super Bowl, Family & Dating

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find Sitting with one of the greatest tight ends to play the game, a super bowl champion and projected first ballot hall of famer…Travis Kelce shares with Ryan, Channing and Fred how his contributions in the sport are just hitting stride and his legacy is still a work in progress. With the NFL post season underway and the Chiefs have the number one seed, Travis says if the team plays flawless football as they are capable of- no team is beating them. Under the leadership of MVP candidate Patrick Mahomes, Travis shares why there is no one more cut out to lead a team than his quarterback and certainly no one more talented to play under center than #15 and that playing for Coach Andy Reid is one of the most motivating and rewarding experiences of the right end’s life. Being a part of this special unit, Travis credits the younger guys on the team for stepping up in unexpected roles this season and admits anything less than Kansas City winning a Super Bowl is a disappointment, but respects the road ahead with tough teams to face in Cincinnati and Buffalo. Always a family first mentality and having his older brother Jason to look up to, Travis credits his close bond with the Philadelphia Eagles star as his motivation to be the best version of himself on and off the field. Travis talks about his life transitions from being suspended at college to putting in the work to reflect and reevaluate his path to everything finally clicking for him as a player leaving behind behaviors that may have derailed his All Pro career. Considered one of the NFL’s most eligible bachelors, Travis is content playing the field right now and focused on football and whatever else is extra. Of course, Channing nominated himself to be a contestant on the next season of catching Kelce for a chance to run with the young, single Chiefs star. Travis talks on rumors of his past relationships and shares some of his craziest attempts by ladies to land a date. Fred talks about the accomplishments of tight end legends Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez who played before him and asks Travis if he considers himself the greatest of all time...tap in now to hear his response and much more. *Please note this episode was filmed prior to the Monday Night matchup between Buffalo and Cincy and scheduled to release Tuesday 1/3/23. Out of respect and care for Damar, we held the episode until aThe Pivot family and Travis decided we should hold the release of the show out of respect and concern for Damar. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY)1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/PA/TN/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), visit OPGR.org (OR), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA), 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MI/NJ/NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. Void in ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 pre-game moneyline bet. Bet must win. $150 issued as six (6) $25 free bets. See terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/footballterms. Ends 2/12/23 at 11:59PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:35Ryan Clark?

  Travis Kelsey, everybody.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Thank you. You gotta love that guy. What's going on, fellas? Got the ambiance going in here.

• 0:46Fred Taylor?

  All right, cool.

• 0:47Ryan Clark?

  He got the most pictures in here. One touchdown, one cutback.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Living, man. I appreciate you guys coming out here doing this too, man.

• 0:56Ryan Clark?

  We appreciate you, man. We know it's season.

• 0:58Channing Crowder?

  It's a beautiful city.

• 1:01Speaker 02

  All you see is salt on the ground at this point, man. It was so cold and so icy this past week, man. You guys caught it on a good day. Finally got up above 50.

• 1:09Ryan Clark?

  What was it at game time?

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Game time was like 10. We were lucky it was sunny, though. It was sunny, so it got up to like 20 by the time it was like mid-game.

• 1:17Fred Taylor?

  Down in Miami, the Dolphins caught their second goal this game in team history. It was like, what, 45?

• 1:24Speaker 02

  There had to have been some records this weekend. This past weekend was wild.

• 1:27Channing Crowder?

  I was miserable.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  Buffalo couldn't even get back.

• 1:30Ryan Clark?

  Bro, 45, though.

• 1:31Fred Taylor?

  They shutting schools down in Miami at 45.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:35Ryan Clark?

  It was 20 at the crib.

• 1:38Channing Crowder?

  I played in that cold. I was terrible. Your ass don't look no different.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Man, I love it. I grew up playing hockey, man. So it's like I'm used to sweating in the cold, being just, I don't know, it's kind of like my comfort zone. When it's over like 85, 90, now that's when you see I'm a different player.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  I'm moving slower.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Whole body drenched, I'm going through like six different pairs of gloves.

• 2:02Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, so he don't want week one in Miami then?

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, keep me out of Florida. We were in Jacksonville one year for week one and it was above 100.

• 2:10Fred Taylor?

  I remember that.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Aw, man, I was lucky Sammy Watkins went off.

• 2:13Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, Sammy snapped.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Week one Sammy. Week one Sammy.

• 2:39Ryan Clark?

  Man, welcome to the Pivot, man, it's a.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  It's an honor, man.

• 2:42Ryan Clark?

  No, we've talked about this, we saw you in Vegas.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:45Ryan Clark?

  Probably around the Pro Bowl, so this is something we've been wanting to do, so on behalf of Channing, Freddie T, me, man, we really appreciate it. You understand how time is during the season and we know how precious it is for you guys, because y'all always chasing chips, right? It's other teams that start training camp, ah, they ain't really chasing chips. Like, they understand, okay, are we gonna taint to get the number one pick? Or we gonna work real hard to get four? You know, for you guys, it's been consistently in the AFC Championship the last four years, two Super Bowl appearances, a Super Bowl ring. You're on the list now, man, with names, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 3:25Ryan Clark?

  And Tony O'Gates. But, you know, in learning a little bit about Travis Kelce, man, I saw your Cincinnati picture. You know, I mean, the fade wasn't as tight. You know what I'm saying, the beard? The beard was grown in, but it wasn't edged up. You know, you couldn't get the right barber yet. But I want to know a little bit about Cleveland Heights QB.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:46Ryan Clark?

  Travis Kelce and what made that kid, at least at that point, special enough to now be one of the greatest tight ends that ever played the game?

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Man, I appreciate all that too, and definitely, I wasn't getting the fade as often as I was and as I am now, that's for damn sure. But it's been a growing process and throughout my life, I've really had to kind of mold myself along the way. And I feel like that's been the biggest thing is. Growing up in Cleveland Heights, you got such a melting pot of people that I got a very good understanding of a lot of different walks of life, both social class, racial. It's helped me relate to a lot of people, so I always have fun, man. When I tell you I'm in, I'm always trying to have fun, always trying to, you know, brighten the room that I'm in. And when I was younger, I was a competitor on the field, but I wasn't fueling my profession or my career.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  I was just out there just winging it and having fun. And, you know, if the ball came my way, or if I was a quarterback and I was, I had the ball in my hands, I was having a blast, you know, whatever I was doing. It wasn't until college that I really, you know, I got caught up in having too much fun off the field, and it took me out of school. It took me off the team for a year, and I kind of realized, alright, if I really want to do something in this world, and athletics were my life, my family, my mother, my father, they fueled me, gave me everything possible to enjoy sports. And I'm so thankful for that, and obviously I have an older brother, Jason, who plays in the league, and he was a huge part of my competitiveness and my ability to, you know, have to do more than just, have to think more, you know what I mean? Because going up against a guy bigger, stronger, faster, you gotta figure something else out.

• 5:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? So that's where you kind of, I always mess around when him, he always calls me a flanker. I'm always trying to figure out this, you know what I mean? The small things that I can trick you with, but yeah, growing up and finding that mold of professionalism on top of having fun, I wouldn't change the journey, not a single part of it, man. And it's been awesome, but definitely that QB world helped me figure out, you know, what that pocket feels like for a guy.

• 5:51Ryan Clark?

  You can see it in the way you play, though, the way you find zones, work with Patrick, too.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I was never that dude back there, and that's why, that's why they moved me to tight end.

• 6:01Fred Taylor?

  Hey, Trav, listen, going back to 2010, and not necessarily being overly descriptive, unless you want to.

• 6:09Fred Taylor?

  Having football taken away from you or losing football, however you want to frame it. What was that year like to you? Was it like the one of the most humbling moments in your life?

• 6:18Speaker 02

  Man, I um, I had a, I had one other humbling experience, but it was more of a knucklehead experience in high school where I failed French and couldn't play with my brother's senior year of high school. And you guys know, everybody knows at this point how close me and my brother are. And um, the year I got kicked out of Cincinnati was actually the year that was my senior, brother's senior year. So I missed both my brother's high school and senior year, the year that I'm like actually supposed to be on the field with him, sharing the field with him. And um, it was more embarrassing that I did that for the second time, but even now so further down the road when it means more. You know, I think uh, I think it was a point in my mind where it was just like, I couldn't even look my father in the face, I couldn't. You know, when I talked to my mother, it was just certain things that, you know what I mean?

• 7:01Speaker 02

  I just uh, it was a very, like you said, it was a humbling experience and um, it built character in who I am and who I wanted to be. And it's something that, you know, like I said, I wouldn't take it back for the world because it gave me so much perspective on, you know what I mean? How, how eyes were viewed on me. Instead of how I was just out here for free living and having fun, you know what I mean? I could, the way I was working, the way I portrayed myself, it was like I had a TV watching myself so I could understand how I was portraying myself to everybody else. And uh, once I figured that out, um, and it wasn't being, you know, uncharacteristic, I wasn't being somebody else, I was just being more professional or not necessarily more professional, but just being a better teammate, being a, being a more focused individual on uh, on certain things

• 7:44Speaker 02

  so that everybody knew my intentions were going in the right direction.

• 7:48Fred Taylor?

  Right, I um, and I know Chan will probably like this. Back in college, I um, I, I went to the law school and stole books and got suspended four games. That was the worst moment in my. Freddie T, what you doing stealing law books for?

• 8:02Ryan Clark?

  You wanna go read them.

• 8:03Fred Taylor?

  I was an accomplice.

• 8:06Fred Taylor?

  No, I wasn't gonna read them. I was an accomplice. Yeah, I was an accomplice. What you doing still in boxes? That's history. It made me a better person. And for that reason, I'm here today. But no, extremely low moment in my life. But I went back and had talks with my grandmother and she's like, "Look, I need you to read Psalms 127 every day, right?" I did that in college. I read it throughout my entire career before Sundays. I wanted to ask you, what subtle changes did you make? That made you a better person going forward?

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Well, I'll tell you what, man. I was extremely fortunate. I kind of mentioned being embarrassed. It wasn't just my mother and my father. It was all the parents in the community that I grew up in that I felt like I had embarrassed too. You know what I mean? Like the people that really helped me. Yeah, and supported me growing up. So many people that vouched for me in that situation, my brother being one of them. I know Bob Mangin, the head trainer at University of Cincinnati, was another one of them that vouched for me to be able to get back in to at least be able to work my way back onto the team. And Butch Jones, the head coach at the time, the one that that originally kicked me off, but then kind of got some word that I might have been, you know, might not have been just a lost cause.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  And so he told me that I had guidelines that I had to go through. And what it did is it created routine and structure in my life that I hadn't taken serious up until that point. And once I found that routine, I began to use that in every aspect of my life. I started using it when I watched film. I started using routine when I lifted weights or when I was training and things like that. And it programmed my mind to be able to find how can I get better as a person in all these little aspects of life. My barber growing up, one day, actually, I went over there on my lunch period to get a fade before I had a Friday night basketball game. He was, uh, he was telling me, "Listen, man, I don't know if you're supposed to be up here, but I'm at least gonna give you some education while you're here." Right.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  He told me to go look up, uh, Carnegie Mellon's The Last Lecture, and it was a professor, it was a professor, it was a lecture of a professor that was going through, uh, a certain, uh, type of sickness to where he didn't really have that long, but he wanted to give this last lecture, and the entire school knew about it, and everybody showed up. And it was a beautiful story about, you know, how he kinda figured out what mattered to him. And it's not how you achieve your dreams, it's how you lead your life. And the direction and the routine that you set and the, how mu- how focused you are on the little things. That's how you achieve everything. You don't focus on the big goal at the end and have all this hope and desire, like, all that's good, everybody has that. But it's the ones that strategically put it in place every single day that, that really figured it out, man.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  When I, like I said, when I started to really get into that routine, um, man, I just took off. And honestly, football became so much more fun because I was having so much more success. I wasn't just banking on my athleticism. I was, I was using my mind to open up things and do things on the football field that I had never been able to do.

• 11:02Channing Crowder?

  Hey, you talk about going to the barber shop. They got the pictures up and you point what you want?

• 11:08Channing Crowder?

  Right? Is that the barber shop you used to? Or back in the day, you used, he had the money?

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 11:12Channing Crowder?

  You got the dude to come to the crib now, I know. When you have them pictures up, Trav, when did you start pointing to the black guys? Cause you the one with white boy haircuts.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Honestly, honestly, I didn't get the tight fade until I got to college. I had kinda just like the two all over and just lined me up. Um, and my mom started that when I was in middle school. I actually didn't start to go to the barber shop until high school, but I, uh, yeah, I started to go to, go to the barber shop at University of Cincinnati. Um, Crispy Chris, man, UC. You already know, it was one of them up there. I don't know which one, I don't know what number it was, but it was one of them. I said, he, he asked me if I wanted a fade, and he kept that thing right up here, too. It was, it was a high fade, man.

• 11:53Channing Crowder?

  He had the bit of boosting.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  It came down a little bit, it came down a little bit, since.

• 11:56Channing Crowder?

  He left them temp, they no temp. He had, he had the boosting. What, like, that swag, though? Cause that's something that people know about you. You're accepted by every woman in the world. Every color, every size, every age, they love you.

• 12:07Ryan Clark?

  You understand, my daughters? Like, when I get home, I'm gonna be the greatest dad to ever live. I told them that when I met them, like, my daughter, they knew we were coming out over the weekend, and she was like, "Dad, you're so lucky." I was like, "Why?" I was like, I don't care how he looks. I'm just caring that he's good at football.

• 12:23Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I hear the mm when he does post-game press conferences. What's that supposed to mean? You hungry? You thirsty? What's that noise? She wants some Skyline Tilly.

• 12:35Channing Crowder?

  But where did the? That's the look is there. You're a good-looking dude. Hell, I want to be on Catching Kelce if he has season two. I might win.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  I said I didn't have a regret. That might have been the one right there.

• 12:45Channing Crowder?

  Hey, I'm charismatic. I might get the top three. I get a rose.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Hit him, E. E'll get you right.

• 12:52Channing Crowder?

  But that swag, well, did that come with being successful on the field athletically? Like, that swag you got is worldwide known. Where did that come from?

• 13:01Speaker 02

  That's the heights, man. That's Cleveland Heights. I was mentioning earlier, it's a multicultural, you know, you got a lot of different, lot of different races, lot of different ethnicities, social classes. You get, you get an understanding of a lot. And we had such a huge school. I think our graduating class was over a thousand kids. So, we had four to 5,000 kids in the school. And it's like, you're going to a school like that, especially a artsy school, artsy neighborhood. Kids are going to work just so they, they can get fresh for, for class. And I was always an athlete, so I really didn't have a, I didn't have a job until college in the year that I got kicked out. But I, um, I was always just in sweats and a hoodie, kind of like I am now. But I was always ingrained in, you know, uh, the, the fashion culture.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  It all starts from the ground up, you know? Jordans when I was in fourth grade, hooping and, you know, that, the LeBrons in Cleveland were everything when I was going through high school. And it's just, you know, just being yourself, being yourself. I have so much, the, the tight-knit group that I got, you know, that's that style. Like, we're all kind of one and the same. And, um, just being natural, being genuinely who I am, I guess. But it's definitely from Cleveland Heights for sure.

• 14:10Ryan Clark?

  You know, you say that, though. You, you're from Cleveland Heights. Uh, parents, Ed, Donald. Correct. Big bro, Jason.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Jason.

• 14:18Ryan Clark?

  One of the very few families in the world that could say they've been, they have two children who've won Super Bowls. Right, achieve the greatest goal in our sport. And mom's going, you know, from one game to another game in the playoffs. And it's one of those things, and it's one of those moments. It's like, it allows the world to know that whether your kids are all pros, or whether your kids, you know, work at AT&T, family is family.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  Family.

• 14:44Ryan Clark?

  And you love your family. But you're talking about Cleveland Heights and swag and all that. Your brother just went to the game dressed as Doug.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:54Ryan Clark?

  For 51st Dates. You know, you guys are actually really different. But the show's excellent because you do have those differences. But you bring the best out of one another, man. What is that relationship meant to you throughout your life?

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, my brother's got the swagger too, he just doesn't wear it. You know what I mean? He just...

• 15:11Ryan Clark?

  Well, you say he don't dress up though.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah, he dresses as. He can dress up as somebody, but he's not gonna dress up for something.

• 15:18Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  He's a nutcase, man. My brother is, uh, he's one of a kind. And to be honest, um, where you see the differences is kinda in that high school area. We both grew up playing the exact same sports. Um, I was on the court more in terms of basketball. Um, my brother, both, we both played hockey growing up. I kinda mentioned that earlier. But he played through high school and actually played lacrosse in high school too. And, um, he was also in the band. He was a jazz band guy. He was, I think he played with the Cleveland Orchestra at one point, or the Cleveland Symphony at one point. Um, and it had that musical touch, so that's kinda his realm. He's almost like that, that band guy. He was the one that was, that was getting like 25 tackles a game, but at halftime was in the band, marching band.

• 16:02Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  With his uniform on. He's a, and that's Jason, man. He's, he's, he's a jack all trades. And, um, I've been so fortunate to, to be able to follow his footsteps. And that's the biggest reason I went to the University of Cincinnati. Um, what it means to be comfortable, be confident in where you are. I see that guy have success, and I know that I could have similar success because, you know what I mean? Cut from the same cloth. I've just been so fortunate, like I said, the family that I've had, the community that I've had. Definitely my brother in my life to be able to pave the way. Cause I've just been following his footsteps ever since I was a kid.

• 16:37Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I read somewhere too, you say you were 87 because it's the year he was born.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  1987. It was, uh, when we, when I first came in, it was, you couldn't just get whatever number. So it was either the eighties or the forties. And 87 was just the number that made the most sense. I know, I know, I wouldn't be here without my brother. I don't know where I would be if it wasn't for that guy. So I definitely wanted to pay some tribute to him.

• 17:00Fred Taylor?

  I was, I was listening to you guys on the podcast, New Heights, when you had Patrick on.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:06Fred Taylor?

  And there was this segment, I guess he asked Patrick if he was gonna get some, uh, Skyline Chili.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 17:12Fred Taylor?

  You guys was playing sensey. So I wanted to ask you, Skyline Chili or KC barbecue?

• 17:18Speaker 02

  I'm taking KC barbecue every, every day, twice a day.

• 17:22Fred Taylor?

  Okay, beans or mac and cheese?

• 17:24Speaker 02

  I'm mac and cheese, man. That's the reason why I can't really do chili is if it's coming out the same way it's going in, man.

• 17:31Fred Taylor?

  I've seen that chili too, looks overrated. Last one, last one. White meat or dark meat? Gotta answer this carefully.

• 17:39Ryan Clark?

  I know the answer.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Respectfully, respectfully, I'll take the dark meat, just it, it tastes good. It tastes a little bit better. It's a little, but you already know, I don't, I don't discriminate on the chicken, baby.

• 17:52Ryan Clark?

  Travis, man, you know, everybody always sees the end result though, right? The, the end result is, uh, you're gonna go down as one of, if not the best pass catching tight end to ever live. Another guy that played in this organization, Tony Gonzalez, is the gold standard of that. You know, you, you get to be reminded of that sort of greatness each and every day when you walk into this building. You didn't play a snap as a rookie. You know, and I don't think people will think about 2013, you know, in that way and understand that. That sort of experience, how does that affect you or how does that change you?

• 18:33Ryan Clark?

  Especially after you said you had to be regimented, you had to get organized, you had to be focused in order to even get to that point. A team now drafts you in the third round, you have an opportunity to fulfill a goal or fulfill a dream and then that first year goes like that.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Man, you want to talk about struggle. That was arguably almost a harder year than the year I got suspended. Because it was, like you said, I'd finally done the things that I needed to do to get back in the good graces of everybody, to get back into football and the dream that I had to play in the NFL. And it just got, just swept right out from under me. And to have a micro fracture surgery, which at the time, if you Google "micro fracture", man, it is, you just see, oh, this guy's career ended, this guy's career ended. It's just like, man, there's only like a 70% chance that you'll get back to full health type deal. And that was all demoralizing to me. And I had never really had like big time leg injuries or knee injuries and things like that. So I really wasn't sure what was next.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  But it was the ultimate, you know, growing experience for me to be able to refocus, to kind of focus in on why I was having the issues in my knees. And I became more understanding about the anatomy of the body. How am I supposed to be out here? What muscles in my body need to be loose for everything to be working perfect? And I feel like I've mastered that since that year. And I'm not sure if, you know, I'm having the longevity in this, in the career that I'm having, if I don't lock in on those kind of things and just get curious about that world. Because I think it's helped me out a lot. And obviously, I'm not the only one that I didn't just naturally go at it.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  There's guys and the training staff that's in this building. David Glover, one of my favorite people that I've ever met in this business, athletic trainer for us, he helped me out and did my rehab through it all. And really, all the surgeries that I've had. And just picking his brain on a lot of the things really helped me figure out, you know, the anatomy of my body and how I need to get things going.

• 20:41Ryan Clark?

  TK, you mentioned, or Fred asked you a question about chili and barbecue. I'm gonna take it a step farther to where we are now. The, the team that's in Cincinnati right now could say something about the Kansas City Chiefs that no one in your career could say, especially anyone playing football right now could say.

• 21:03Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Michelob Ultra. Good times mean competitions between you and your friends, like seeing who can throw some pigskin the farthest or rush the field the fastest. Winner gets an Ultra because it's not just a Superior light beer. It's also giving fans superior access to their favorite sporting events. Superior is worth playing for. Visit michelobultra.com/superioraccesstoenter. Enjoy responsibly. Copyright 2026 Anheuser Busch InBev Michelob Ultra Beer, St. Louis, Missouri.

• 21:32Ryan Clark?

  Three times in a calendar year.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:34Ryan Clark?

  They've beaten you guys. And you know, when the playoffs come, it's going to be the Buffaloes. It's going to be the Cincinnatis. What are y'all doing right now to put y'all in a place to be ready for those challenges? Because y'all the Golden State Warriors now. Teams are being put together to beat the Kansas City Chiefs. That's their goal. And now they have, because you got a Patrick Mahomes, we got to go have a Josh Allen. Because you got a Patrick Mahomes, we have to go have a Joe Burrow. We got to have a defense that's built strong in the middle to stop 87. Right now, what is your focus on making that next journey back to the Super Bowl?

• 22:12Speaker 02

  To keep growing, man. And that's the, that's the biggest thing in this business is to keep growing. You can't, you, you can get schemed up in a heartbeat in this game. And you, there's certain things that, that another team can do that can just make you take a second or a half a second longer. And that half a second is everything in the league. And as I'm, I'm honestly, I'm, I don't want to say I'm not worried about other teams, but I'm, I'm focused on the Kansas City Chiefs. I know what we're capable of. We haven't put a complete game together against that team. And hats off to the Bengals. Hats off to Buffalo for the time that they beat us because at the end of the day. We're the ones that, you know what I mean? Put that out there on film and playing against them, they're the reasons why, you know,

• 22:57Speaker 02

  everything kind of unfolded the way it does. So hats off to them for getting the wins, but I'm focused on the Kansas City Chiefs, man. I know if we go out there and we play flawless football, there's not a team that can beat us.

• 23:07Channing Crowder?

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• 23:49Channing Crowder?

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• 24:34Channing Crowder?

  Like, running routes for him and he starts scrambling, is it a different, different than you've ever seen dealing with any other quarterback in your career?

• 24:42Speaker 02

  It's gajiggy time, baby. As soon as he gets out that pocket, I know there are no, can we cuss on here?

• 24:47Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  I know there are no fucking rules, man. I mean, everything's out the window. I know what play it is, I know what coverage it is, so I know where everybody's at and I'm running to where nobody is. And I know he, no matter which direction he's going, he can throw it anywhere on the field at any time. And that's what makes him special, man. He just keeps growing within the system because he becomes more of the, the professional, like, pocket passer. To where, when he was, when he was in college, he kind of mentioned this a little bit too, and he was at Tech. There were times where they weren't the better team and he had to just figure it out. You know what I mean? When you're playing up against the top dogs and you know the O-line or D-line or your wide receivers aren't better than their DBs and you know what I mean?

• 25:32Speaker 02

  All across the board, it's kind of like, man, I don't really know where we got the matchup. Well, 1-5 was back there shaking and putting up crazy numbers.

• 25:39Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Against, you know, arguably teams that were just that much better than them. So he's got an ability to, over the course of a season or over the course of a game, figure out exactly what's going on and manipulate it in his advantage. And there is, I mean, it's the most special guy I've ever played really sports with because he has that ability to do that. And how he can ad lib as well as how he can grow in being a pocket passer and being a game manager in the pocket. You know, on time, progression type stuff, like all that stuff. He's working his tail off at becoming just that much better at it. Obviously it's showing this year because he's having one of his better years.

• 26:22Channing Crowder?

  And I gotta bring up the puppet master. The guy I respect one of the-

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Big Red?

• 26:27Channing Crowder?

  The most, the most in the league. Because I played, he was with the Eagles when I was playing.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:31Channing Crowder?

  And going to play the Eagles when he's there, you can watch all the damn film you want. He's gonna come out on one of the first or second plays, you're gonna see a formation, a motion, a shift of personnel you've never seen before.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  He's gonna stress your rules, you already know.

• 26:44Channing Crowder?

  You've played with him a long time.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:46Channing Crowder?

  Does he surprise you on in-star day?

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Sometimes, yeah. There'll be a play, I'll be like, both get excited for it because I know it's gonna be wide ass open. And both on the other side like, I don't know if that's gonna be open and be in the game. And it is wide ass open.

• 27:02Channing Crowder?

  Yo, you still questioning him?

• 27:04Speaker 02

  I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm watching the same film he's watching, or at least I think I am. He's just got a way better imagination on what can work and what can't work. And yeah, that's what makes, you know, Coach Reed in my mind, the greatest offensive coordinator or offensive mind ever in this game. His leadership makes him one of the best head coaches ever in this game. And it's my job to get him all the Super Bowl rings so I can say he's the best and I can brag that my guy's the best. But he's been so crucial and critical for my success. When I tell you I came in as an inline wide tight end, I was 265. Close to 270 by the end of the year, playing the wide tight end and with my hand in the

• 27:46Speaker 02

  ground and he's kind of molded this offense into the type of skill sets that his players gotten. He's done that everywhere he's been at, but he kind of saw something different in me at the tight end position and how I would work my leverage on deep crosses, on shallow crosses, how I would work, you know, the basic cross ends, 10-yard in routes. And he saw how I could have success and I understood the number count and everything on where guys would have to go. And I've been so fortunate that he's helped me progress as a player in the passing game because it's just, you know, it's been a whole lot of fun running routes and catching passes and being a part of this offense throughout the

• 28:31Speaker 02

  years and kind of, there's a little bit of honor and pride that, you know, Coach Reed is that great and I'm one of those pieces that are, you know, just a part of the madness, man.

• 28:40Fred Taylor?

  Even going back to 15 really quick, just looking at him from afar, I've never had a chance to meet him yet, but watching you guys play, you can see the intensity and the passion that he brings in his play. But more than that, he finds time to celebrate with each of you. Going back to that game this year, you had the four touchdowns. You know, you're always breaking records, definitely right. It seems that he's more excited for you, knowing your success, you know, than he is with all of the success that surrounds him. You know, speak to that and the type of character person he is and how he is with all of his teammates.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  That's one of five, man. And that's how he's been since he got here. Like you said, Alex was still that guy his first year. You know what I mean? Like, he was still, he was told that Alex would get the starting job and he would be able to, you know, be that guy for us. And 15, Pat was just the best teammate you could possibly have.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  When it was scout team and he was going to get going up against the number one defense, I my eyes were on the show because he was doing some of the craziest shit that I had ever seen.

• 29:44Fred Taylor?

  You say against scout team, that doesn't seem like it.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  He knew it wasn't as as serious as you know what a what being the number one quarterback was. So he's really testing the waters now. He's throwing it behind the back, no look passes all over the field, rolling out right, throwing it all the way to like it was just like, oh, wow, that's what's capable. All right, that's that's what he's capable of doing. And he was just dropping them in the bucket every single time he would throw it. Back to back to him just being a competitor and a teammate, man, his pops, his pops grew up in, I mean, he grew up watching his pops in the MLB. Yep. So he's in those locker rooms. You want to talk about a diverse league.

• 30:18Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  You're you're around a big old melting pot of people in in baseball and MLB, right? Yep. Guys that aren't even speaking your language. So he's had a a unique upbringing, being around his father and being around those locker rooms to see how guys do it the right way and how guys do it the wrong way. And he's just he's he's in it for the right reasons, man. And it was one of the one of the, you know, most refreshing things is to see a top pick come in, especially at the quarterback position. Everyone kind of understanding like eventually he's going to take the lead. You know, but coming in humble enough to be able to learn from a guy like Alex Smith. That that helped him, if you even ask him, took his game to a completely different level, seeing the professionalism that Alex had. He's just the ultimate competitor, man, and he he's a team first guy.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  That's why he likes to he likes to spread the ball around. He likes to get excited when when guys are out there making plays. Because he's all about the team, man, and it's always been like that, man.

• 31:12Fred Taylor?

  No, I wanted to ask, did you guys flinch when Cheater was announcing his departure to Miami?

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Um, I want to say I kind of caught wind of it before it happened. It was eye opening when it did happen because it was like, man, that can't be real, man. You know what I mean? That's a guy that I call my brother and and don't get me wrong, I'm happy as hell for his success. I'm I'm so happy for because of the big decision that he did make. It didn't just backfire on him. He's actually still going out there being the Tyreek Hill that we all know he can be. And and you know, I can't, I can't say I love that guy enough because what he was for my career. Grabbing all that attention on the football field. It just, it made my life so much easier. And on top of that, he's just a great teammate, man. Great guy to have in the building. But it definitely, um, it definitely ripped my heart out when it happened, man.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  I was, uh, I was a little down about it at first, but, um, at the end of the day, man, he made a lot of money.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  No doubt, I can't, I can't sit here and say I wouldn't do the same thing because I'm not getting thirty million dollars thrown at me. Thirty million dollars a year at least. And it's just like, man, you know what? I know we got something special here and I know we got the players and the coaches to be able to keep this thing going. And to be honest, it was a challenge and it was a refreshing challenge and it was kind of like a, um, a regroup to, to get back to, you know, creating this offense around new pieces. And the feeling of that new, man, you can't say enough about, you know, how motivating that is. How exciting it is when you see the new pieces go in and make those big plays. Big time moments, crucial moments.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  And it's a whole different energy when you see it for the first time than when you see the consistency of it, you know? You, you just know that Tyreek Hill is going to eventually get open down there. Well, he's not here anymore, so now we're sitting here waiting on that big play and it finally happens. Juju Smith's out there flying around and it's just like,

• 33:07Ryan Clark?

  Right, we got one.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  I can, I love that because he's a great dude. He's, he's done nothing but come in here and be the best teammate he can and just work his ass off. So it's like all that built up and that's why you really see the success you, you're seeing this year out of us is, or at least not the drop off. That a lot of, a lot of guys were, a lot of people were expecting because of the Tyreek Hill trade. It's because our leadership up top, Coach Reed, Brett Veach, uh, the, the whole front office. Everybody just dialed back in and we put together a team that we know we can go out there and win with, man.

• 33:38Ryan Clark?

  You know, that, that leads me to a question I had coming in. You mentioned the new pieces. Uh, one piece that's not new is you. Uh, the other piece is 15. And I said it in the off season, I said, you can only make that sort of decision when you have belief in somebody that's the quarterback. I said, and also too, when you have not only an explosive player, but a dependable player like TK. But. You guys are no longer judged on how many games y'all win in the regular season. Right? It's about where we finish when all the marbles are laid on the line in mid-February. You know, we've texted a little bit just in getting to know each other and you talked about leadership

• 34:21Ryan Clark?

  and wanting to go out and lead and wanting to be a part of the reasons that you guys win. When you talk about all those new pieces, how much pressure do you feel individually to more than play your part in what has to be done here in order to get another ring?

• 34:39Speaker 02

  I wouldn't necessarily say it's pressure because I genuinely, I feel the want to be able to do that. I think that's just being a good teammate, putting your heart in the right place and you know what I mean? Wanting to have that drive to help everybody out, make sure everybody's on the same page, communicate. We just saw Eric Biennium, over-communicate, communicate, you know what I mean? He's always harping on guys being on the same page. And you know, that's just been a part of the leadership that we've had here is to make sure that kind of the veteran guys help along the younger guys and there's no bad feelings of if this younger guy's better than me, put him out there.

• 35:18Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  I've been the first guy to say Noah Gray, Jodie Forson, Blake Bell, those are great tight ends. If there's something that I can't do right now, or there's something like I'm dogshit tired on the sideline and you call that one play that you know I'm gonna get open for, I'm trusting Noah Gray, Jodie Forson, and Blake Bell to be able to make that play. And I feel like having that just passion and desire to be able to want that for the guy next to you. And to want it so bad that everybody's on the same page, everybody's doing the same things, everybody's helping each other out in that regard. It really doesn't put pressure on everybody to do that, it's just, it makes it just that much more fun of an environment to keep growing, you know what I mean?

• 36:00Channing Crowder?

  I was about to change the topic to something.

• 36:02Ryan Clark?

  I know what you're about to do.

• 36:03Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, cuz you said, we always ask about regrets and you already brought it up. With the catching Kelce, this is right up my alley. What was that experience? Why do you regret it? And what is it experience to be chased around by women for weeks?

• 36:16Speaker 02

  It was extremely awkward because I really didn't have much to say about what we were doing on the show. It was kind of just, he took it, and I turned down the show about... A hundred times is what it felt like. I kept having my manager come to me and tell me, oh, they're gonna do, they want a dating show. I was like, ah, I don't think so, man. I don't know about reality TV. It doesn't always, you know. What kind of TV is it gonna be? Bachelor or are we talking Flavor of Love? You know what I mean? Which one are we talking here? You know, and then it's, I don't think I'm gonna do it. And he comes back, he says, alright, well, they said, they said 50 women, one from each state. I was just like, well, that's, that's kinda intriguing.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  But I don't think I'm gonna do it, man. I don't, I don't wanna do it. I don't wanna do it. So I told him no for probably a good three months. And, um, and finally it came to me, and this is, this is the real reason. They came to me with an offer financially. I was just like, alright, man, I gotta do this. I was so bad financially my first couple of years. And I said this on Club Shay. I said this on Shannon Sharpe's podcast or show, and he, uh, I, I literally went through my first couple of checks like it was nothing. My season checks, all of that. It was, I was having so much fun buying whatever the hell I wanted to, going wherever the hell I wanted to. I wasn't financially looking at this as, you know, I need to have money down the line.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  So I was, there were times in the offseason, I was avoiding the rent lady. I was just, you know what I mean? It was that bad. It was that bad. So I, I heard about the situation where I can make six figures in two weeks, and I was like, ah.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  And I got, and 50, 50 ladies. I'm like, this is actually starting, starting to sound a little better. A little intriguing. But at the end of the day, I don't think I got portrayed as myself. And there were a lot of things that just made me uncomfortable about the show that I don't really necessarily wanna talk about, cause I don't wanna say anything about the ladies and, you know, any of them. But it just, um, I was, I was asked to do more than, than what I wanted to. And, um, yeah, that, that's not, that doesn't always work out great. That doesn't always work out great. It was, it was, it was, I don't necessarily say I regret it, but it was definitely a learning experience. I know I'm not going back into reality TV.

• 38:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I bet that. For, for you, though. But like at your core, you just seem, one, you're a good dude, but you're a football player. And sometimes, based on blessings, right, on being handsome, on having style, on being charismatic, you do get those opportunities. And those opportunities kind of transcend football. And now, whether it's a clothing line, or all of these things you get into, people know you away from what you do for a living. But that also gets into how you live your life, whether it's dating and all of those things. How much of an adjustment has it been for you to now know that I'm more than just Travis Kelce 87 of the Kansas City Chiefs?

• 39:22Ryan Clark?

  I'm this person and this brand that people want to know about, but part of that is being dragged down as well.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  The brand that you have is, um,

• 39:33Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't want to say it's everything, but you know, that's your resume. That's what people are going to judge you by, that's what people are gonna, you know, pay you off of. That's everything off the field that I feel like you've got to focus on. And I will say this, what that show did for me, Kelsey and Kelsey, what that show did for me is it got me out from under the face mask. And that was the start of understanding even more so on a grand scheme of things, how I was being viewed. And from that show, that point on, I was very strategic about how I wanted to be viewed in the media, and how I wanted my brand to be represented. And yeah, I think it was the ultimate learning experience.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  But that's, um, I don't think enough people realize that that brand is, uh, it's everything, especially in the offseason when football is not for months away. What those rooms that you're in, and what you're showing people, can give you a whole different life that football can't even really provide for you.

• 40:38Ryan Clark?

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• 42:16Channing Crowder?

  And being two good-looking dudes, I have to, you know.

• 42:19Ryan Clark?

  So are you closing the room off to just y'all two?

• 42:21Channing Crowder?

  It's just us, I'm turning.

• 42:22Ryan Clark?

  Okay, I see you closing the room off.

• 42:24Channing Crowder?

  Well, being two just guys that just take over rooms like we do.

• 42:27Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:27Channing Crowder?

  So, um, one time a girl gave me a coupon book of promiscuous actions that I could cash in as coupons with her as trying to get me.

• 42:39Ryan Clark?

  Man, I ain't heard of this one.

• 42:40Channing Crowder?

  A coupon book, a Project Pat CD, and a Starburst Heart Circle. And that was her way. That was the best performance a woman's ever done to try to gain my, the love of, you know, of a 10. What? What's the wildest thing that you done seen in the DMs? A girl trying to shoot at you? What's the craziest thing?

• 43:01Speaker 02

  I would say just persistency, man. There's some ladies that'll just, you'll see it and it's just like, it's almost every single day, just a different note or a different, "Hey, what's up?" And it'll be for probably almost like a year straight. And it's just like, ah, I don't know, man. I don't even want to get into this old.

• 43:20Channing Crowder?

  Some sympathy trash.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. It's just a, "Hey, I see you trying, but I'mma respectfully say no." You know what I'm saying? Nah, I can't even do it. I can't even open the floodgates for that one. Uh, I would, I can't even think of anything that's that, that's that out of the ordinary, man. Yeah, you'll see, if I do, I'll let you know.

• 43:41Channing Crowder?

  Who got you now? What's the situation now? Who got you now?

• 43:43Speaker 02

  I'm out, I'm in the free market right now, man. I'm out there just enjoying life, focused on my profession and, you know, got my feet up outside of football.

• 43:52Channing Crowder?

  And the story, and the story.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  I'm outside, though.

• 43:54Channing Crowder?

  You had, you had a girlfriend for a while, very public.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:57Channing Crowder?

  The story that you were too damn cheap.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Man.

• 44:00Channing Crowder?

  That story was crazy, man. I kneed it out the horse's mouth.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  How crazy is that?

• 44:04Channing Crowder?

  That man told you he blew through money the first time. He was trying to prove.

• 44:07Ryan Clark?

  I'm watching, I'm listening, I'm like, nah.

• 44:09Channing Crowder?

  He trying to change his life.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Don't buy into that shit. Don't buy into that shit. I'm not saying, I would, I would, I would never say that I was supporting it. She had a very financially stable life and, and what she was doing in her career. Um, but you gotta be crazy if you think I'd never get like helped or gave her a couple of dollars to grab some food or she gave me some money to go get some food. You know what I mean? We were in a relationship for five years.

• 44:32Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  A hundred dollars here and a hundred dollars there wasn't even thought about. You know what I mean? Which is ridiculous, man. Absolutely ridiculous. The city boys thought we had a swan, didn't we?

• 44:46Fred Taylor?

  Trav, I'm gonna pivot really quick, man, because I think this is important. And you know, say you focus on football. You're an eight-time Pro Bowler in 10 years, in a 10-year career.

• 44:58Channing Crowder?

  That's crazy.

• 44:58Fred Taylor?

  Three times All-Pro, gonna be four at the end of this season.

• 45:04Fred Taylor?

  Your predecessors, Shanice Sharp, Hall of Famer, he's an eight-time Pro Bowler and a four-time All-Pro. And Tony, Tony the Goat Gonzalez, he's a 14-time Pro Bowler. 17-year career and a six-time All-Pro. Are you the best tight end that ever played a game? Because no doubt, Lee, you're gonna be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  I appreciate that, man. I, um, I feel like I got so much respect for those guys, I can't say that I'm just flat-out the best that ever played a game. You gotta throw a guy like Gronk in there. You gotta throw a guy like Antonio Gates, who paved the way for a guy like me, for sure. Built that trust at the tight end position to get that many catches, that many targets. And there's a bunch of names that I could keep going on, but...

• 45:50Ryan Clark?

  Well, Tony Gonzalez beat Shannon like for eight for 150 or something like that.

• 45:54Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah, I'm that realistic person. Like, if they, if they ask me, "Can you cover Trav?", I'll be like, "Hell, no, Coach, don't do that." I switched out on Jeremy Shockey one time, because I looked over there, "Nope, never mind. Who's in that backfield?"

• 46:09Channing Crowder?

  So, so I know, but Tony in Atlanta one time got me for seven for 80 in the first half. Just ran up on me, put that big-ass hand in the middle of my chest and leaned out.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  That was, that was, that was 30, that was 34, that was 34-year-old Tony, too.

• 46:23Channing Crowder?

  That was old Tony. He had knee braces on, shit, gray hair.

• 46:28Channing Crowder?

  He was waving at his granddaughter in the stand and whooping my ass on third down.

• 46:32Ryan Clark?

  First off, again, thank you for your time, man, we're, we're truly grateful, but... From somebody who would have to play opposite, I think you were the greatest to ever do it. And I think you're one of the greatest players to put on pads. And there's no question that can be asked about you after a game, asked about you the week of a game that shouldn't be answered, at least starting in that way. And I can have all the respect for you in the world.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Thank you for that, big guy. And I appreciate you guys paving the way, both on the field and off the field, man.

• 47:02Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  You guys that make our transition off the field in this league, man, that much better, man, because you guys are doing it the right way, man.

• 47:09Ryan Clark?

  Well, hell, you're doing it now, man. Shoot, the pod is amazing. The question-

• 47:13Speaker 02

  I'm gonna capitalize on it now.

• 47:14Ryan Clark?

  You're supposed to. My question, my last question for you, because playing in Pittsburgh, you know how Channing cut off the room? When he was talking about 10s? I'm gonna cut the room off too. And I have to do this often, talk about people who actually have Super Bowl rings. Right? There's only, in this conversation, only you and I-

• 47:31Speaker 02

  He cut this off, but I didn't do this.

• 47:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  We're used to it.

• 47:34Ryan Clark?

  Only you and I had enough to play, have this conversation. But for you, Travis, how are seasons that don't end in a Super Bowl champion for the Kansas City Chiefs viewed now? Is that a failure?

• 47:46Speaker 02

  1,000%. And I've always had it in my mind, even when the team was 2-14 my rookie year coming in. You know, if we're not, if we're not trying and focused on winning in February, I don't even know why we're out here. We have to find a way to find the system to keep building, and that's everything, man. If you're not trying to win Super Bowls, man, I don't even want to play with you. And that's just the reality of it. And that's kind of the culture that Coach Reed has. Coach Reed, play you at CVS tomorrow morning. You know what I mean? We'll play right there in the parking lot, man. I don't, I don't care where it is, when it is, whether it's sleet, snow, a beautiful day, 70 and Brea- I don't give a damn. I'll play you wherever it is. I'm trying to get a championship, and I'm gonna keep-

• 48:32Speaker 02

  I'mma always fight for my team to be able to put our team in the best situation to win that, man.

• 48:37Fred Taylor?

  Travis, as we rap right here, man, I wanted to ask you, was 2008, when you transitioned to tight end, your freshman year at UC, was that your biggest pivot in life?

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, the year that I got kicked out, when I came back, that's when they moved me. Yeah, cuz I was still doing a little Wildcat QB stuff under Brian Kelly's offense. But I, um, when I made that transition to tight end and, and the, the focus that I had at that point in my life to try and do things the right way, and I really found that routine to, to, to find a way to get better and, I found a love to play tight end that I didn't really have at quarterback. There was a, there was a lot of nitpicky things that I was like, man, shut up, why are you, why are you worried about this one little foot and the angle that it's at? And like where I'm releasing the ball, like it still got there, you know what I mean? Like I was, I was that quarterback. I was like, man, you guys are getting too nitpicky, man.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Let's just go out there and ball, you know? And I, I realized that that's not, that's not the quarterback mentality that you need to have. But at tight end, uh, when I started to figure out and nitpick my game at tight end, I had so much success, uh, because of the ability I had and really being back in the, in the, in the pocket, understanding like, man, if this guy would've ran that route a little bit more this way, he would've been wide open, I would've been able to hit him. Having that feel, uh, that transition point, that 1,000% was probably the, the biggest, uh, the biggest difference. So that year with 100% was the, probably the pivoting year for sure.

• 50:06Ryan Clark?

  Well, the good thing is, man, your, your throw at Cincinnati, back to the quarterback, worked out way better than your throw in the league, man. And I saw you recently say you was gonna throw it, period. They told you not to throw it to that guy. So it was probably better than, man, that you switched. The whole world, Kansas City Chiefs are definitely better for it. Your pockets, um, are better for it, man. And we're grateful that you sat down with us. So we're better for it too, fam.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  I appreciate it, fellas. You already know. Until the next time.

• 50:30Channing Crowder?

  You representing the City Boys now. No, no little bro.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Appreciate you, boy. You already know. You guys are the real. Appreciate you jumping out here, man. Hopefully the flights weren't too crazy. Everything's wild right now, man.

• 50:44Ryan Clark?

  It got bad. But right here, this little lady right here, bro. I already told him that you guys were. Trap. She was not gonna let us miss, dog.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  This the craziest, I don't know, this might be the craziest one, sir.

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 51:34Speaker 05

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