#188 - What It's Like to Be Rich, How to Respond to Growth Plateaus, & the New Neighborhood 7/11

Sam (@theSamParr) & Shaan (@ShaanVP) do a little Q&A in this episode. They talk about their financial goals, their romantic relationships, and what they would do if they were 21 again. They finish off the episode talking about the podcast growth, live events, and brainstorm a few ideas around community and sports you can do as you get older. --------- * Want to be featured in a future episode? Drop your question/comment/criticism/love here: https://www.mfmpod.com/p/hotline/ * Support the pod by spreading the word, become a referrer here: https://refer.fm/million * Have you joined our private Facebook group yet? Go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/ourfirstmillion and join thousands of other entrepreneurs and founders scheming up ideas. --------- Show notes: * (1:19) - Intro * (4:00) - The Twitter bio paradox * (6:15) - Intro to Q&A * (6:30) - Q1 - What's it like to be rich? * (11:51) - Q2 - What do you read/research outside business? * (14:03) - Q3 - How did success influence your romantic relationships? * (20:34) - Q4 - What pandemic behavior do you want to keep? * (22:00) - Q5 - If you were 21 again, what would you be doing? * (25:44) - Q6 - What's your best purchase over $2K & best under $100? * (27:52) - Podcast growth update * (29:55) - On growth plateaus * (32:47) - Live event update * (34:53) - Community around the "neighborhood 7/11" * (44:25) - The new golf * (53:53) - Outro

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Shaan Puri?

  It's really effing hard to start a two-sided marketplace. And when you do, the prize is a billion dollars, you know, in your pocket.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  All right. What's up?

• 0:18Shaan Puri?

  Uh, I was thinking about the beginning of these because um, if you watch like Joe Rogan, Joe just sort of rolls into the conversation. It's actually starts like mid-sentence of what they're already talking about. And I think that's kind of cool. It's pretty casual. And then you have other people that really try to like brand their, brand their beginning. So I'll give you a couple of examples and you tell me which one you think is a good idea. So, um, the All In Podcast, which I like, is hosted by Jason Calacanis. And then what he does is they have the, uh, what they call the cold open, which we do sometimes too, which is you pull a, the kind of like the most interesting or funny one liner from the middle of the episode. You put it at the beginning and then you roll into like

• 1:02Shaan Puri?

  the intro song where it introduced, he kind of, it's like a custom song that introduces the four people. It's like Chamath, the Spac King, you know, David Friedberg, the Ki- the Queen of Quinoa or whatever. So that's like one version. Then there's, you know, Scott Adams, the guy who started Dilbert or writes the Dilbert comic? He does this thing every time he does a live and he, he used to do live streams like every day or something like that. And he would always say, let's start with a ceremonial sip. And he would like hold up his drink to the camera. He would have you do it too, even though you're not even on camera. You're just at home. He's like, everybody, let's do this. And cheers. All right. Here we go. And he's like, he talked about it. He's like, he's big on neuro-linguistic

• 1:43Shaan Puri?

  programming, NLP. And, um, and so he's like, he's like a trained hypnotist or something like that. And so he's like, you want to like, associate the same sort of like, he's like, doing this with my tea is brilliant or your coffee because it has emotion, it has a taste, it has a smell, and it has a word, auditory thing I'm saying every single time, the same exact thing. And so I'm basically programming you for a certain feeling or emotion of the live. So he's like really, you know, going hard at it.

• 2:14Shaan Puri?

  Our buddy Pomp does the same thing. He's got like his little catchphrase where he starts, he's like bang, bang, everybody. He does this little finger thing at the start of every single video. Very specifically does the same thing every single time. So what do you think about that?

• 2:28Sam Parr?

  I like the Joe Rogan one.

• 2:30Shaan Puri?

  To just roll into it, don't try so hard.

• 2:32Sam Parr?

  Yeah. Do you agree?

• 2:34Shaan Puri?

  I definitely think the other one's more effective, but, but who cares? Like, you know, I think if you have to try that hard, I think it's fine. I think it's fun to do if it's whatever, if you think of something, but if nothing comes naturally, I don't think you should force it because it's just more likely like awkward than anything else at that point. And in general, I think that like, I tweeted this out about Twitter bios. I don't know if you saw this tweet I did, but I said, here's the Twitter bio paradox. And I showed two people side by side. One was Dan Gilbert, who's been our Billy of the week before. So like an actual billionaire. So I wrote, this guy's a baller and his bio

• 3:19Shaan Puri?

  makes him try to sound like a regular guy because his Twitter bio was like, you know, family man, retired pizza delivery driver, you know, trying to make an impact on as many people as I can. And then it's like at calves, at quicken loans, at whatever, like his company is like, yeah, he owns an NBA team and like a 10 to 30 billion dollar company or whatever. And then I put it, but the other side, it just puts up some random guy. I had to snipe some, some guy. Didn't mean nothing personal, but I just searched on Twitter Forbes 30 under 30 to see who would be putting that in their bio because that's the ultimate tell that you're trying too hard because, you know, we've talked about before, it doesn't mean shit. And I found this guy who was like investor, entrepreneur, innovator.

• 4:02Sam Parr?

  Philanthropist.

• 4:03Shaan Puri?

  Philanthropist, exactly. Forbes 30 under 30 finalist, which people were just making fun of them. Like, dude, you weren't even, you were a finalist. You're like one of the top 30,000 people or something. And it is like, you know, international speaker, renowned, you know, whatever.

• 4:19Sam Parr?

  I can't stand that.

• 4:20Shaan Puri?

  And then he at mentions like two companies that he's like, you know, started or whatever. And nobody's ever heard of these companies. And so I said, on one side, you have a baller trying to act like, like trying to counter signal that he's a regular guy. And on the other side, you have a regular guy trying to signal that he's a baller. And, uh, you know, this is the, the paradox of Twitter. The harder you try, the more you tell me that you're still trying. And, um, and you can see this across the board. There's, you know, a lot of people have no bio and the no bio is like, my name speaks for itself. You either know who I am or I don't care. I have achieved so much fame that I'm not trying to impress you. So, uh, I think that's a pretty interesting tell. And, and I like the, the term that somebody pointed out for it, which was signaling and counter signaling. They're actually both signaling.

• 5:03Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 5:03Shaan Puri?

  The rich guy's trying to signal, the rich guy's trying to signal, I'm just like you. Don't mind me, don't hate me. And then the other guy's trying to say, I'm bigger than I am, right? But both are, both are signaling.

• 5:13Sam Parr?

  Oh, you want to do some questions?

• 5:14Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 5:15Sam Parr?

  All right, um, I'm going to ask you a question.

• 5:17Shaan Puri?

  All right.

• 5:17Sam Parr?

  But that people ask us, um, this is a funny question. I don't know if I want to answer this. Uh, we'll let you do it. Um, oh, Dan can pause some. All right, Dan, but let me ask one first.

• 5:29Sam Parr?

  What's it like to be rich?

• 5:34Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it's sweet. It's sweet because you don't have to worry about a bunch of things. And so, yeah, it doesn't take away all your worries, but it takes away all your money worries. So if you've ever like, you know, boom, you get hit with a like, my car was in an accident. It's like, oh shit, I'm going to have to pay like thousands of dollars to get this repaired. If I didn't have money lying around, that's a, that, that can ruin a day real quick. That can ruin a week real quick. That can ruin a month. And so, yeah, it's sweet to not have to have a certain set of worries, um, or things that just are downers.

• 6:08Sam Parr?

  Do you have a number? So we, what's interesting is that, you know, there's this idea of having a number of like, I'm ready to retire and like a lot of studies have been done and very like, interestingly, a lot of people will have a number that they're at. And then if you double it, that's what they like, on average, people say, look, so if you have $5 million, it'd be like, oh, if I had 10, I'd be happy.

• 6:25Shaan Puri?

  Only I had 10, yeah.

• 6:26Sam Parr?

  Yeah, or if I have 10, oh, if I had 20, I'd be happy, which is always kind of funny.

• 6:30Shaan Puri?

  It's like three inches in height. Everybody wants three inches in height.

• 6:33Sam Parr?

  Right. Do you, did you have a number? Do you have a number?

• 6:37Shaan Puri?

  Uh, yeah, I did. And then some people who were way past that were like, dude, that number is not enough.

• 6:43Sam Parr?

  Yeah, your number was six.

• 6:44Shaan Puri?

  I used to say six million, uh, cause I'd done some calculations and I was like, oh, six, six should do it where, what I was trying to calculate was if I had six that was, uh, like working for me, six million invested. I was saying, okay, with X, you know, average annual return, does that cover my life burn? Even if my life burn was twice what it is today. And, uh, and people were like, yeah, but, uh, you know, that rate of return is a little bit like too optimistic and your life burn is going to go up more. You just haven't really figured that out yet. So, you know, the more money you have, the higher your life burn is going to go. It's hard to really be disciplined about that.

• 7:20Sam Parr?

  So do you have a number now?

• 7:21Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. So now I think the number is, um,

• 7:26Shaan Puri?

  I don't know. I, I think 20 is the number where I would now have to like, think of different ways that like, why money matters. Um, why, why, why more money would matter to me. Um, like all the obvious things would be more than taken care of at 20 million.

• 7:42Sam Parr?

  So what's funny is I've talked about this as well. And the people at 20 say the same thing, 40, maybe at 40, maybe at 40. So I don't know when that, when that stops.

• 7:53Shaan Puri?

  Cause I used to think one and then I used to think six. And then once you get there, you're like, okay, you're at six. Well, nah, six, this is, I'm not, I can't stop here, right? 20, uh, maybe at 20 and then maybe at 20, I'll do the same thing. What do you think it is?

• 8:06Sam Parr?

  Um, so I think definitely like, um, yeah, 15 to 20, like if you have 15, $20 million at a really young age, like, you know, let's say 31, uh, like it's, you're set.

• 8:21Shaan Puri?

  It's hard to lose.

• 8:22Sam Parr?

  It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. I can, I can lose 10 million and still have 10 million.

• 8:27Sam Parr?

  So like, it's hard to lose now. You're not flying private, but you're living a really nice life and you're never going to work again. But here's the thing, guys like, I don't know about you, but guys like me, even though I say I'm not going to work anymore, I'm always going to work. And because work is play. So I have someone who could earn 20 million dollars at a young age. I think they're set regardless because they're always going to be able to earn.

• 8:50Shaan Puri?

  That's a very good point. Age, the age definitely matters because it's all about sort of how many years of compounding are you going to get from there?

• 8:57Sam Parr?

  And I was doing the math, basically like at a seven and a half percent return. So like, if you believe that the trailing hundred years is going to repeat itself for the next hundred years, then you can, if you believe that that's, that's to be true, then your money will double around not every nine years. So 20 at 30 becomes 40 at 40, which becomes 80 at 50, which becomes 160 at 60, and that becomes a billion by the time you're 90, which is kind of wild how that now, the question is like, well, when we're 90, like, is a billion even going to mean, you know, that much? Who knows? But like that, that growth is quite phenomenal and that's really hard to grasp unless you put it in front of you.

• 9:40Sam Parr?

  So getting wealthy-ish at a young age, I think is very significant.

• 9:46Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. Okay. So that's fine. I don't know. I feel like I gave kind of a generic answer, which was what's it like to be rich? I guess like I didn't, what, what I'm glad I didn't do was say, oh, you know, it's not as, it's not as good as you think. Which a lot of people say, a lot of rich people will say, you know, I thought it'd be great, but then I realized that, what really matters is family. It's like, yeah, dude, I know that family matters, right? I'm asking what the rich part of the experience is like, you know, how's that, how's that been for you? And, and I guess what I would say is like, rich, whatever rich means to you, you know, the, the main, the main benefit from my perspective is that there are just certain things you don't have to concern yourself with or wor- or worry about anymore.

• 10:26Shaan Puri?

  You know, the biggest being, if I don't want to work or I don't want to go to this job, I can just not do that. I could do something else with my time, right? Like the money has freed up time. Time could be now invested in any activity you want. And that tends to be like, You're picking that now you're picking stuff you really enjoy, or you think really makes an impact, rather than, you know, something you have to do in order to pay next month's bill.

• 10:49Sam Parr?

  Andrew asks, outside of business, this is Andrew Wilson, what do you research and read about? I'll go first. I read a ton of history. I love American history, starting in around 1860, going all the way up to about 1950. I think that's when crony capitalism kind of came to, like, kind of went away and all the regulations that came into place in America kind of came to be, and a lot of interesting stuff was going on there. I also love reading and listening about the mafia, because I think what the mafia did is like, as American as apple pie, like, it's so fascinating to me. So I read a ton of history, and I research a ton, a ton of, uh, early, early American stuff. So I like to go to museums and, and look at old architecture from that era.

• 11:30Shaan Puri?

  Wow, we couldn't be more different. All right, so outside of business, I would break it into three groups. I study or research what the nerds are into right now. So anytime, you know, smart friends who are kind of like technically minded, if they're into something, I, it takes me probably five times longer than them just to understand that, that new technology, but I put in that time because I like it. And so like, you know, somebody will mention something that, hey, you know, this AI thing, you know, is now able to predict protein folding. And I'll be like, protein folding? I don't know what the fuck proteins fold for. What's protein folding all about? What have people tried before? How do they even get this to work? What is actually machine learning?

• 12:15Shaan Puri?

  What, how does that work? You know, like, and so I try to, I try to basically study what the nerds study. That's one. Two is more of like the unwinding, which is sports. I'm like knee deep in basketball, you know, stuff. So I like to follow all the storylines, stats, you know, that sort of thing. And then the last one that I would say is self-help or some kind of like mindset. So I think that, you know, people probably at this point, if you listen to this podcast, you know that more than anything, I'm a believer that if you can master your mind, you've won the game. And I think that that's the hardest, hardest thing to master is your mind. And I want to read all the different ways people do that and try them and self-experiment, and then go back and research more. So that's the third thing I do.

• 13:01Sam Parr?

  How did success influence or change the dynamics of your romantic relationships? That's a good question, but we both have been.

• 13:08Shaan Puri?

  From Julie, Julie Davila.

• 13:12Sam Parr?

  Yes, Julie had, that's a good question.

• 13:14Shaan Puri?

  Best question so far.

• 13:15Sam Parr?

  So I was, I met my wife right when I started my company. And before that, I dated a ton. I, I was.

• 13:23Shaan Puri?

  Okay, big dog.

• 13:25Sam Parr?

  I was, I'm not saying it was successful.

• 13:29Sam Parr?

  Let me change that. I tried to date a ton. Yeah. So I tried to, I liked women. It didn't always work, but I prefer being in a relationship. Being successful has been cool with my wife because it feels, because we are, manage our success together and like.

• 13:47Shaan Puri?

  I think for both of us, our wives were successful before we were.

• 13:50Sam Parr?

  Yeah, my wife, yeah, were at least way more liquid.

• 13:53Shaan Puri?

  They made, they made more money faster than we, than we did.

• 13:56Sam Parr?

  Dude, I'll say it. I mean, my wife was a self-made liquid millionaire before I was.

• 14:01Shaan Puri?

  Right. Yeah, I think the same, I think same, same is true for me. So, so that was, that's the first part, like, you know, how, it's really, you know, how was success for them was the real question. I wasn't like to be working with this, marrying this broke, you know, broke entrepreneur who keeps trying to say he's, he's living the big dream, but you know, where's the, where's the success? For like, you know, it's five years. That, that's, that's the first question.

• 14:26Sam Parr?

  So yeah, when I dated Sarah, her mom was like, so does he, and her parents are entrepreneurs. They kind of got it, but like, does he have a job? Like, well, no, he's trying to start this conference thing. Well, where's he work? Well, he can, he works on his laptop. He can work anywhere. And they didn't get it. And so my first year I made like 20 grand and then like 50 grand.

• 14:42Shaan Puri?

  He's a wedding planner, I think.

• 14:45Sam Parr?

  Like, so anyway, like my wife had a full-time job and she was probably making six figures straight out of college. She went to an Ivy League school and went to Facebook. Anyway, how, how has it changed the dynamics? It's made it, in my opinion, way better. I, do you, we do all of our finances together. We meet once a week and we go everything. Do you do the same thing?

• 15:02Shaan Puri?

  When I started dating my wife, she, she had just bought her first house. She was driving a BMW M3 Sport. I was living under my parents' house in a like, they had like an unpermitted in-law unit that I lived in with my, my best friend from high school. Lived in there with me and you know. That's where I was. Didn't have a car, didn't have a house. I had a job. I had a good job, I guess. But yeah, that's how we were when we met. And then, you know, great. What does he do? He's the CEO of a startup. Okay. So, you know, he's virtually, virtually unemployed, you know, like on the brink of unemployment, essentially was the situation. Do you wish?

• 15:44Shaan Puri?

  I'll say one thing, which is as, you know, as good things started to happen, so got promoted from like a product manager to CEO of like the company. And then from CEO to like, you know, investing and then selling the company and all that stuff. There was definitely a period where I got a little cocky, where not intentionally, but I look back now. I'm like, I was kind of, kind of being a dick. I sort of thought all these people I hang out with that are like, you know, super successful, I felt like they, they didn't have to deal with any of the bullshit at home that I was dealing with. It's like, okay, yeah, I gotta take out the trash. You know, does my investor take out the trash? I don't know. Maybe he's got somebody who takes out the trash for him. Right? Like, oh, I have to, you know, wake up at like, right now, I wake up in the morning at seven o'clock

• 16:28Shaan Puri?

  and from seven to 10 a.m., you know, I'm on daddy duty, taking care of the baby. And I was sort of like, don't, are we supposed to have like nannies for this? I was like very spoiled in that sense. And I thought, well, no, I'm the like successful working guy, right? So like, I don't have to do these like normal things. And so that was my like entitlement to myself. And then I realized two things. One is, uh, yeah, those guys do that too. That's, you know, a lot of the people that I was talking about that I admire, they did all that too. They just didn't complain about it like a little bitch. And then the second thing was that they, that like, who cares? Like, do whatever, uh, do whatever works for you and your family and like stop being, stop holding your time as more valuable than my wife's time or that my kid's time

• 17:12Shaan Puri?

  or my dog's time or anybody else. I used to kind of- Your dog's time. I used to think my time was the most precious and now I don't. Now I'm sort of like, you know, it's our time. We gotta use it how we want.

• 17:23Sam Parr?

  Do you, I, I think it's cool, we're both married, I think it's cool to have this like team mentality, you know, when my wife and I, so I, I, we're both Catholic and even though we don't practice or anything, I was like, we have to get married in a Catholic church, it was important to me. And what that means is you gotta go meet with the priest. And he was like, so why are you getting married? And, and we were like, well, we have similar values in life. We have the same goals, we just, we both wanna take over everything. We um, wanna have children and raise them in a particular type of way. We wanna share our assets and pool together. And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What about love? You guys love each other? And we're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that too. And so like, for us, it was definitely, we definitely love each other, but also there was like

• 18:03Shaan Puri?

  Functional partnership.

• 18:03Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it's like, it's very, this is a very practical way to like, live, go through life. Like, it's very, it's easier for one another when you have someone that, whose family you can count on, no matter what, they're gonna have your back. So anyway, I've enjoyed uh, having a little bit of success while being uh, married. If you're single, I guess the pros could be like, you could just like, full run with people way out of your league. But I do think that it would be exhausting and actually probably not as fulfilling, but maybe more fun.

• 18:30Shaan Puri?

  Man, I look back now, when I, I was single, you know, I was 25 years old, single, didn't own a possession in the world, and I was managing a bunch of people who were 10, 20 years older than me, had kids, had families, had mortgages, had all this stuff. And I thought at the time, I was being super understanding about it. And now, when I look back, I'm like, oh my God, I was such a idiot. Like, I just didn't understand how, how hard it is for these people to give this much to a startup, when they have all these responsibilities and obligations at home. And I was, you know, just a free bird, 25 years old, and you know, I could piss my time away, it didn't matter. And like, for these people, that extra one hour they were at work was now threw off the whole

• 19:13Shaan Puri?

  dinnertime, bedtime schedule for them, their kids, their wife, you know, like, all this stuff. And so, I just look back now, and I, you know, I apologize to anybody I worked with then, because I didn't truly understand, I thought, you know, this hustle culture was the, was the right answer then, and now. Uh, and I didn't realize how much they were already giving, uh, and I always wanted more.

• 19:32Sam Parr?

  What um, yeah, let's do two more. What pandemic behavior do you wanna maintain?

• 19:39Shaan Puri?

  Um, yeah, basically the last year was, you know, it sounds insensitive. So whatever. Maybe that's, that's the case, but last year was the best year of my life.

• 19:52Sam Parr?

  Same.

• 19:52Shaan Puri?

  You know, I had a blast and a whole bunch of life events happened, right? I had a kid, I became a dad and, you know, but I just everything I grew up my hair. I built a home gym. I started working out regularly. I, you know, um, you know, I'm working from home. So I just had way more time with my family, with my wife than when I was commuting every day and was at the office all day. Um, you know, this podcast has been a lot of fun. This has been like 10 amazing things that happened this year that made this year literally the best year of my life. So in terms of pandemic behavior, I would say I definitely don't like getting close to people and shaking their hands anyway. So, you know, good, I'm just gonna keep, keep not doing that. Uh, but I would say like the home gym, uh, daily workout

• 20:33Shaan Puri?

  at 1pm is definitely the behavior I need to like, keep going with.

• 20:39Sam Parr?

  I agree. I've, I've gotten in wonderful shape throughout this and, uh, that's the one I'm gonna maintain.

• 20:45Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 20:45Sam Parr?

  Um, all right. Last one, maybe. Um.

• 20:48Shaan Puri?

  I'm curious about this favorite purchase one.

• 20:51Sam Parr?

  All right.

• 20:52Shaan Puri?

  Uh, okay, let's do, let's do three of these. Let's do, um, if you were 21 again, what would you be doing?

• 21:00Sam Parr?

  I can't stand that question, but I'll answer it.

• 21:02Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. What is it?

• 21:03Sam Parr?

  If I was 21 now in 2021, I don't, I don't know. What would, let me think, what would you be, what would you do?

• 21:14Shaan Puri?

  I think I would go on tour with, in the most like interesting spaces with the most interesting people. So I think what I would do is I would say, hey, I'm a hired gun. You pay me whatever, pay me 5K a month, 10K a month, something like that. Uh, flat fee. I'm gonna come work my ass off for you, uh, for three months. If I love it, I'll stay on, but by default, you're gonna get just like somebody unbelievable, just right-hand man to, to deal with any headaches or problems you have. And you'll never see somebody, you know, work harder and smarter at figuring shit out than me. And I would pick basically like four or five people that I thought were amazing. Um. That we're doing things in interesting fields, doing interesting projects.

• 21:59Shaan Puri?

  And I would pitch that to them and I would, if they said no, I would find the next five people and I would just, I would go on tour. So I would, I would treat 20, I would treat work like I would treat, I would treat like marriage in the sense that I would focus on dating, figuring, having fun, figuring out what I love, what I like, figuring out what likes me. And I would be in no rush to like, find the project or start the company or like pick a career. I would say, cool, I'm gonna go on, I'm gonna have these, these little three month relationships with badass people in badass spaces and you know, just, I commit to doing that for two years and then I'll figure it out after that. Like, that'll be my Mormon mission.

• 22:40Sam Parr?

  I would probably, my goal at 21 would be how do I become a liquid millionaire by 25? And then after 25, I could dedicate a little bit more time to like a big purpose. Or how do I create cash flow? And so I think I would want to start a blog or something like that and try to sell it. In the next two or three years.

• 22:59Shaan Puri?

  I would, I would not try to do that because I think that, you know, if we're measuring the score on like a, I don't know, 10 year period or 20 year period, then I think I would get more value by being at the cutting edge of certain spaces, certain industries, and being, seeing what like, like A++ players are like when I work with them and earning their trust. I think that's a lot more valuable.

• 23:24Sam Parr?

  All right, last question. Best purchase over two grand and under $100. Over two grand for me, it's gotta be, uh, this rowing machine that I bought for about $2,000. It's called Ergada. I'm obsessed with it. Or I bought a pretty nice Mercedes that's really fast. I go on drives every morning and in the afternoon and it just makes me happy. For under $100?

• 23:52Sam Parr?

  Uh, I don't know. Uh, I have to think. What about you?

• 23:59Shaan Puri?

  I would say this camera that I'm using right now.

• 24:03Shaan Puri?

  Because when the whole world went remote, everything's done over video. And I used to just use like a Mac Air. Mac Air laptop makes you look like, you know, an actual like prisoner of war in Uganda. Uh, when you go on a video call and so, uh, this, having a dope camera is great for the pod, but it's great for every single meeting. I feel like, I feel like I'm putting my best forward and I look great. I feel great. I think the other person, you know, treats you differently depending on how you show up. And so I think this one camera is like the equivalent of buying, you know, a closet full of $10,000 suits, you know? And without any of the headache of like wearing a suit. So.

• 24:44Sam Parr?

  And my, my under a hundred dollars is an Aeropress. I love my Aeropress.

• 24:49Shaan Puri?

  What is that? That's a coffee thing?

• 24:51Sam Parr?

  It's a coffee, coffee thing. It's like, uh, it makes individual cups of coffee is badass. I use it all the time.

• 24:56Shaan Puri?

  Uh, under a hundred dollars. Okay. I got this for free from Jack Smith. Jack gave me his Theragun and I fucking love the Theragun.

• 25:04Sam Parr?

  He gave it to you?

• 25:05Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. He had like an old one or something like that. He, he, he got a new one or I don't know what, I don't know why.

• 25:10Sam Parr?

  I had to go buy a knockoff on Amazon.

• 25:12Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, that's what I was gonna do. And actually, then he messaged me and was like, hey, I have one. I'll send it to you. And I was like, oh, I'll buy it. And he's like, no, no, just what's your address? I'll send it to you. And I was like, Jack, good guy. And now I told, I sent him a message. I was like, dude, I use this thing every night. I think of you every night. Because I'm like, I love this gun. I love Jack for giving me this gun. This thing is amazing.

• 25:31Sam Parr?

  Do you want, um, do you want an update on some numbers?

• 25:35Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 25:36Sam Parr?

  So this month, May, May is over now, but in May, we're doing a podcast push. So we got about 630,000 listens. So that was the number. We were.

• 25:48Shaan Puri?

  To put that in perspective, that's plus, I think, thirty-nine percent month over month.

• 25:54Sam Parr?

  So that's forty percent month from April to May, and then the month before April, March. March to April was a thirty percent, and then the month before was also a thirty percent.

• 26:06Shaan Puri?

  Right. So basically, since you started saying, I'm going to focus on growth, this thing started growing between thirty and forty percent month over month. We've doubled in the time that you said it. I remember we were at three hundred something thousand then. Now we're at six hundred something thousand

• 26:17Sam Parr?

  downloads per month. Now, I don't think, I think June might be stable. The reason why is because I don't think people are going to be listening as much. I saw a distinct drop on Monday. Like Mondays, we normally have thirty-five thousand listeners. This Monday was eighteen thousand.

• 26:32Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 26:33Sam Parr?

  So I think, I think we might hit a little trough of sorrow, but that's okay. We gotta know to expect that, but we're gonna keep grinding. But I think that we're gonna hit a million soon. And here's some more stats. Our top rating, we are number eight in iTunes and in Spotify in the business category, which is pretty good.

• 26:50Shaan Puri?

  Number eight?

• 26:51Sam Parr?

  Number eight.

• 26:51Shaan Puri?

  Wow.

• 26:52Sam Parr?

  Uh, we are in number eight still right now on Spotify. And for some reason, we are number one in Britain in the investing category. I have no idea why. Uh, but that's the updated numbers. I'm pretty proud. I think you should be proud too. Um, a few things that people loved. Trung's thing was amazing. People loved his. Your short ones, people loved. Um.

• 27:14Shaan Puri?

  You did one today on.

• 27:15Sam Parr?

  But that was June. But yeah, people liked it so far, I think.

• 27:19Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 27:19Sam Parr?

  Um, I, uh, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm posting that on YouTube, but I'm, because it's like my story, I'm gonna put that on my YouTube. I think I deserve that. And, uh, I, I think that, uh, that's gonna go viral. But, uh, the numbers are good. We grew a lot. It's working.

• 27:35Shaan Puri?

  I think the best thing you said was to, there will be a plateau, whether it's this month or the next month. There's always a plateau. And I've talked about this before, which was one of the biggest. Lessons learned as a, as somebody trying to build shit is that these plateaus happen. You should, you know, I used to think, oh, plateau means the, you know, the world is, the, the sky is falling. This isn't working. Uh, you know, change everything.

• 28:00Sam Parr?

  No.

• 28:01Shaan Puri?

  Uh, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, no, uh, uh, you know, the, the dabbler quits and goes and does a different thing. The stressor gets freaked out by the plateau, thinks that they did something wrong and takes it personally. And the master says, oh, there you are. I thought, I thought you'd be here soon. Hello. Uh, and then sort of dances with the plateaus and figures out how to get to the next level again. So I think we're going to probably plateau somewhere here in the six to 700,000s per month before we shoot through the million per month.

• 28:27Sam Parr?

  And I was working with my wife yesterday. She wants to launch a course. You're, you've inspired her, Sean, and she was all excited to start this thing. She's been talking for months. It's a great idea. And yesterday she was like halfway through recording the content and everything. And she was like, I feel horrible. I'm like, ah, you're there.

• 28:42Shaan Puri?

  Right, right.

• 28:43Sam Parr?

  You're there. I've like.

• 28:44Shaan Puri?

  Forty percent mark. Yes.

• 28:45Sam Parr?

  Yes. And I like, I talked to her and I was teasing with her, but I was like, Sarah, do you know why I'm good at what I do? It's because I know that that is normal and I keep going. And do you know why most people are not, uh, what, who they want to be is that's where they stop.

• 28:59Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 29:00Sam Parr?

  But so what you have to know is that point where you, you start high and then you get to low, when you're a little bit into it, you have to A, recognize that's very normal. That is incredibly normal. And then you keep going. Just like if you're exercising, you're like, oh, I'm starting to sweat. I'm starting to sweat. It's like, oh, okay, that's normal. That's part of it. Now you gotta keep going, keep going.

• 29:19Shaan Puri?

  Right, right, right. Exactly. If you, if you put down the, the, the butt, you know, the, the dumbbell, every time your muscle started to burn, you would never, never, you'd never grow, right? Because the burn is right where it starts, you know, the, the growth starts. And so I think for pre-launch, there's three points everybody hits that the first time you hit them, you react pretty poorly typically. Uh, the first is the overthinking phase. That's before you get started. The second is the fuck, this is the, the, the, despair. This is never going to work. This sucks. Uh, the thing I was so excited about, now that I'm doing it and it's harder than I thought. Ah, is this ever gonna be good? That's where your wife's at right now.

• 29:59Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 29:59Shaan Puri?

  And then there's the last bit. When you're at the 90% mark and the perfectionist comes out and says, no, no, no, no, no. It's not good enough yet. People aren't gonna like this. It's not gonna work. And you're actually at the 90, 95% mark. And the perfectionist wants to pull you back to 50% and say, no, no, no. We need to do all this other stuff before we go out there. So I think those three points, overthinking, then the point of despair, and then the perfectionist point, they have been pre-launch of every project.

• 30:25Sam Parr?

  Yes, so it's very normal. So let's talk about a couple of ideas, which I think you're gonna, you've got some stuff.

• 30:30Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, by the way, also, the live shows are happening. I guess by the time this gets released, they'll have already happened. So, you know, whatever. But after this, like, literally, I might have to cut this 10 minutes short because I gotta pack my bag. I'm coming to your house in Austin and then we're going to Miami. It's gonna be awesome.

• 30:45Sam Parr?

  Can I just say that I think this is gonna be a game changer for us? I think that we're gonna see, it's gonna be fun to see these excited people. You know what's crazy is Sean and I like planned to do this like two weeks ago, or we had been talking about it. And then one day he texted me, he goes, do you wanna go to Miami for this time? And we were gonna go to Crash Someone's event. And I don't even know, but we just said, fuck it. Yeah, and done. It's settled. Like, we did it over a text. And then we got everyone rallied around it. And I think 100 people-ish are gonna come to the Austin one. And then I think we're at 500 for Miami. And it wasn't until today that I thought, and we're speaking tomorrow, so we're recording this on a Wednesday, but you're hearing it on Friday. We're, it wasn't until just now, when I, right before the podcast, I told Dan what to do.

• 31:28Sam Parr?

  But I was like, oh, I guess we have to figure out what we're gonna say.

• 31:32Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 31:32Sam Parr?

  What are we even gonna talk about? And so I told Dan, I go, Dan, send out a Google form to all the attendees and just have three things. What look, what city you're in, what question you want answered, and what your first name is. And then we'll just like see the trends of questions. And then maybe we can just rattle those. I think you told me that idea. And, and, and we'll just rattle that off. But, uh, yeah, it's cool, man. You know, like, what if this, this sounds so lame because it's just internet nerds like you and me, but what if like me, oh, and Jack Butcher's coming now. Uh, what if like me, you, and Jack, and Andrew, and all these like... Like these losers online.

• 32:06Shaan Puri?

  Nerds on tour.

• 32:07Sam Parr?

  Yeah, if we have like a nerds on tour, I'm pretty sure we could get like 10,000 people to come to each one.

• 32:12Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, yeah, I think Nerds on Tour is a cool idea. I think we should just do it. Maybe, you know, early next year, we do, we go nerds on tour.

• 32:21Sam Parr?

  That's actually a great idea. It's, isn't it funny how all these.

• 32:23Shaan Puri?

  The name is great. Dan, let's grab that domain Nerds on Tour. Let's see if that's available. Checking right now.

• 32:29Sam Parr?

  All right, you wanna, uh, what's, what do you got? What do you got?

• 32:32Shaan Puri?

  Okay, so let's do some ideas. Um, okay, so neighborhood 7-11s. So what is.

• 32:37Sam Parr?

  I love neighborhood 7-11s, by the way.

• 32:39Shaan Puri?

  So I don't know what kind of neighborhood you live in. I'll find out when I go to your house tonight, but, uh, my neighborhood is kind of like, I'm in the suburbs and so, I don't know, in this neighborhood, there might be 100 homes. And there's like a gate at the front. It's sort of like one of those neighborhoods where it takes you seven minutes to just get from your house to the front of the neighborhood. Cause you're, you know, you want to go to the grocery store. The grocery store is only two miles away, but like, takes you seven minutes to get out of your neighborhood, then another 10 minutes to get there. It's 17 minutes, like round trip. And, um, and there's just like 100 of these neighborhoods or a thousand of these neighborhoods in the suburbs, like everywhere I go in the suburbs of California, it's like this. And so I started thinking about two, two ideas that came together as one in my head. So the first was, there's a startup we had talked about called Fridge No More.

• 33:25Sam Parr?

  And. Yeah, we, we talked, when we talked about that, it was like just starting. I'm pretty sure it's a huge thing already.

• 33:30Shaan Puri?

  Well, they just raised, yeah, 15, 20 million dollars or something like that.

• 33:35Shaan Puri?

  Love those guys and, uh, you know, was considering investing. I just thought the value is a little high, but, but yeah, anyways, I, I think it's really cool concept and their concept is it's called fridge no more. Cause like, look, in the future, you won't even need a fridge. Why? Because when you want something, you'll just push a button. You want like, you know, two ice creams? Great. They'll show up at your door in like under 15 minutes. And how do we do that? Well, we have these like super small kind of like cloud, uh, corner stores that are just like, we'll have like a hundred in every city. And these cloud corner stores will be able to dispatch an order to you in a very small amount of time with a very low, like delivery fee.

• 34:15Shaan Puri?

  And, uh, and GoPuff does this on college campuses. That's like a multi-billion dollar company, I think. And so I started thinking about in the suburbs, the challenge is a little bit different. And I thought, why don't neighborhoods just have a neighborhood corner store? Okay, well, how would that work? So you told me about the vending machines thing last podcast. So it got me thinking, okay.

• 34:36Sam Parr?

  That was a good one, right?

• 34:37Shaan Puri?

  That was a good one. As I was driving through my neighborhood, I was like, look at all these garages. Like, would somebody not want $500 a month to turn their garage or part of their garage into basically just like fridges and freezers? And then it could just gets, you know, basically you just deliver to the, you deliver to the neighborhood garage, that's the neighborhood corner store, all the bulk wholesale goods, you know, your, your water, your, all your drinks, your sodas, your snacks and your like ice creams or whatever. And then in the neighborhood, you would just have it where you just order and either you go pick it up out of the, out of that garage or, you know, some kid in the neighborhood

• 35:19Shaan Puri?

  can just pick up the order, make five bucks for just taking it from one part of the neighborhood to the other, to bring it to you. And the key would be the convenience of the speed of this, that you could get it in like, you know, under 10 minutes to get something delivered to you. So basically the idea is take the idea of 7-Eleven, but use the sharing economy. So put, put a mini 7-Eleven inside of garages, inside of all these suburban neighborhoods. What do you think of this idea?

• 35:43Sam Parr?

  I've got strong feelings. So.

• 35:45Shaan Puri?

  For or against?

• 35:47Sam Parr?

  Well, just let me, let me, let me get to it. The sharing economy, so kind of really got popular with Airbnb, Uber. I remember 2013, in the same way that all the older school magazines are all talking about crypto, it was like the sharing economy. So there was a sharing economy for everything back in 2013, 2014. And it was all we talked about. And I've looked at the data and I've like tried to figure all this out. I am almost positive that the sharing economy only works for like two or three things. Uber and driving, Airbnb, home rentals.

• 36:23Sam Parr?

  And maybe that's it. I've seen sharing economy stuff. Have you ever seen, I just got pitched on this the other day and I just can never get, I never am on board with it. Sharing economy for like you tit like tools in your.

• 36:35Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, this idea has been around and recycled like a trillion times like, hey, why do I have to buy a drill? My neighbor has a drill, you know, I just want to use it once. Why don't I just rent the drill on demand locally?

• 36:47Sam Parr?

  That idea never works, or at least it hasn't ever. And there's probably a reason why it hasn't. There's a bunch of these sharing economy things like one was like you go to someone's home and you cook dinner with them or they like it's a private, like if it's a cooking lesson, you know, even Airbnb experiences doesn't really work that well as a business. It works as a nice little add on thing for them, but that's not like where their value is. And I've always thought that sharing economy for most things is a horrible idea. I used to share an office. When I first started my company, it was me, Si Eva and one other company, I think they were called Rooster or something. And they were trying to get people to make, it was like storage. So they were like wanting people to rent storage in other people's garage.

• 37:30Sam Parr?

  And I would hear these guys on their phone trying to call constantly trying to get, and they had zero users and I heard them trying to get user one, user two, I heard all the whole thing. They would walk around on the phone. It was so hard to convince anyone. And when they did convince someone, it never worked. And so in terms of sharing economy stuff and like, uh, like this idea, I'm almost always default to. I don't know. That seems really difficult. Do you agree?

• 37:58Shaan Puri?

  I don't agree with, okay, I do agree that it's difficult, but like on the storage one. So for people who don't know, there was a, a batch of startups all trying to do this, which was, hey, Airbnb lets you rent out the excess space in your bedrooms, your house. Why don't we rent, let you rent out excess space in your garage? And so Omni started this way. They ended up shutting down after raising a bunch of money. Clutter tried to do the same thing.

• 38:23Sam Parr?

  But they changed.

• 38:25Shaan Puri?

  I believe they've made it, but maybe they pivoted. I don't know what.

• 38:28Sam Parr?

  It's now just a normal ass like we come pick up your stuff and store it in a warehouse.

• 38:32Shaan Puri?

  They store it in warehouses. Okay. So yeah, so I don't know what the, uh, what, what went wrong there, but that was one that I would believe could work, right? Because if I have extra space, blah, blah, blah, and these things you don't get, they don't get used very much. So they sort of just stay in storage for the most part.

• 38:46Sam Parr?

  There's one reason why, I mean, and I, and I've thought about this convenience. It's all about convenience. So it's the convenience that has to pay for itself. So having someone stay in my house is relatively inconvenient, but I can make like three grand a month pretty consistently, right?

• 39:06Shaan Puri?

  Okay, yeah, so it's not about convenience, it's about money.

• 39:08Sam Parr?

  Well, no, it's a balance. It's it's like it's my convenience at a price. Now, having someone store shit in my garage for eighty dollars a month, which is how much it costs to store stuff at a normal

• 39:19Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 39:19Sam Parr?

  storage unit, that's just fucking not worth it. I don't, it's not worth it to me. It's a pain in the ass and it's not worth it. Way too inconvenient.

• 39:26Shaan Puri?

  Right, yeah, so I think there is, you know, this trade off. I would also say, I think a lot of people merge these ideas together. So, for example, sharing economy. What does sharing economy mean? It means taking excess resources that are unutilized and getting them to be utilized, right? Airbnb, excess space, get them to be utilized. Then there's like gig economy. Gig economy is like, more like Uber, right? Like, push a button and like, push a button, the guy's gonna come pick you up. And it's not so much excess resources, because that guy, it's not like that guy was just happened to be driving by anyways. It's like, no, he just made this his job. And gig economy, so then people started trying to do that with like masseuses, right? Like, push a button, a masseuse will come to your house.

• 40:09Shaan Puri?

  You know, like pedicures at your house, or whatever, whatever, every, every random thing. And then there's sort of like creator economy, which is like a totally different thing altogether. And so people started just like, using these words pretty interchangeably, and I think that doesn't work. And in general, almost all these are two sided marketplaces, which are just like effing hard to do. It's really effing hard to start a two sided marketplace, and when you do, the prize is a billion dollars, you know, in your pocket. And so, you know, it shouldn't be, it really shouldn't be that easy. But I agree, so I agree with you that this probably A, wouldn't work, or B, would be like a real pain in the ass to do. But good idea, Sean. Yeah, but interesting idea in the sense that

• 40:49Shaan Puri?

  I think it would be pretty game changing in terms of convenience because it would be essentially like a cold vending machine inside of neighborhoods, right? Like, you know, like a super vending machine inside of neighborhoods. And if you could get it to work, you now have every sort of suburban neighborhood, you know, to go spread into where a lot of stuff is done in cities, partly because the people who build startups tend to live in cities, not in the burbs. And so, so a lot of stuff works in the cities because that's where they live, that's what they know. And then people are really densely packed into one area. And so it's hard to get things to work at a neighborhood level.

• 41:26Sam Parr?

  You ever been to a truck stop where they have like just a slab of concrete with benches and like 10 different vending machines all right there, but just like an awning? And you could, we'll just do that. Let's just do that in the burbs. We're just gonna put that slab and just put all those vending machines right in there.

• 41:41Shaan Puri?

  Well, that's the thing. Like, the question is, what would you sacrifice one home for, right? Because you need the space. So either it's got to go inside of a home, right? In the garage, in the backyard, and inside the house. Or it has to be so valuable that you could justify just buying one of the homes and converting it into some like commerce, basically, for the neighborhood and getting the permits to do it, which is, you know, once we start talking permits, it's time to change ideas. Okay, I got another, I got another suburban idea for you. So, the new golf. So my buddy Ben got invited to go play in this pickup game, this pickup basketball game. And it's, he didn't want to turn it down because it was like,

• 42:21Sam Parr?

  Like ballers?

• 42:22Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it was a bunch of ballers that were like gonna go play there. It was like,

• 42:25Sam Parr?

  Business baller, not real ballers.

• 42:26Shaan Puri?

  Well, half, half were actual like, you know, like good ballers, you know, people who were like, you know, this guy's gonna get drafted this year. This guy trains the NBA players, whatever.

• 42:36Sam Parr?

  What the fuck? Isn't Ben like a little guy?

• 42:39Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, but we met the guy who's the trainer for the NBA players, this guy Alex. And I forgot his company name last time, so I'll shout it out this time. Through the Lens. He's the one building the masterclass for athletes. So through the lens. So anyways, Alex was organizing this game and he was like, hey, you want to come play in this? You're, I know you're in New York also, so come by. And if you're, if you're an NBA fan, you always see on Instagram, all the NBA players in the summer go play in this one gym. That's like, it's like in an apartment building. So it's like

• 43:06Sam Parr?

  Yeah, my, my, my friend used to live in that building.

• 43:09Shaan Puri?

  Like Sky or something. I don't know what it's called, but it's like,

• 43:11Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it's in New York.

• 43:13Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. It's like this exclusive thing. And it would be like LeBron and Carmelo and Kevin Durant, all playing in this like little gym, whatever. So the guy was like, hey, we're gonna go play tomorrow on that gym. You want to come? He's like, fuck yeah. Like, all right, who's there? And it's like a bunch of like, you know, I don't know billionaires, children and like, you know, wannabe NBA players or whatever. So they went and played. And I was like, how was it? He's like, oh, it was good. But like, you know, A, I suck and B, um, you know, I'm just trying not to get hurt, right? Like, he's like, once, you know, you're 30, you got like, he's like, I just had a kid. Like, I just can't afford to get hurt. And I'm not playing regularly. So I'm, you know, I just kind of like played it easy, I guess, which is kind of lame, but that was the truth. I said, well, you know, same here. I basically played basketball as like, my favorite

• 43:56Shaan Puri?

  thing to do until I was like 27. And then like, since then, I've just been like, well, the odds of me spraining an ankle or spraining a knee is just too high. I can't like, actually play the sport anymore properly. And so I kind of opted out. So I started thinking about like, at every age, there's a different sport that's like right for you. So, you know, maybe in your twenties and thirties, it could be something like basketball or soccer. Then your forties, you really, there's not many 45 year old like pickup basketball players that are, that are going out there. There's always, you know, maybe the one old dude who's like barely, barely moving. But for the most part, you need to graduate to another sport that is, that matches your life athleticism. So it might be tennis and, you know, the little bit older, it might be golf. And then a little

• 44:38Shaan Puri?

  bit older, like I think the, the sort of end sport is basically, uh, just playing poker. You can just do that in a wheelchair. And it's like the last thing you can do as like some kind of form of sport or competition. And so, uh, so anyways, it got me thinking like, okay, if I'm, I'm about to shift into the like tennis phase. Okay, cool. Fine.

• 44:57Sam Parr?

  Pickleball, bro. That's

• 44:58Shaan Puri?

  So then I started thinking about pickleball because I was like, what is pickleball? Pickleball is mini tennis that is like kind of the best of tennis, but it's also easier on the body. Right? Am I right about pickleball? I haven't played, but that's what I see. It's like a, you don't have to run.

• 45:12Sam Parr?

  No, I would say it's as hard on the body, but it's like, it requires close to no skill.

• 45:17Shaan Puri?

  Right. So, okay, the skill cap might be different, but I also think there's less running around and jumping.

• 45:22Sam Parr?

  Sure, but like, anyone can do it.

• 45:24Shaan Puri?

  Right. So, so it's more accessible. That's kind of the point. And then I was thinking about golf, because I think, once you hit, I don't know, 50 plus, it seems like golf is the major sport for that age. And golf is like, the least fucking accessible thing, right? It's super expensive. It takes the whole day. It's hard as shit to like, even to be decent at golf. So I'm like, how is it? It's amazing to me this even worked, right? Like, this is kind of like, mind blowing, golf even, even has any popularity.

• 45:50Sam Parr?

  So what's the point? What's the new one?

• 45:52Shaan Puri?

  What is the new golf?

• 45:53Sam Parr?

  So can I tell you what I've been using?

• 45:55Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. What have you been doing?

• 45:56Sam Parr?

  When I have friends in town, or you and I won't have enough time, maybe we will tomorrow, but like, I had a friend named Brennan come over. Whenever people visit, I go, 5:00, 5:00 PM, Thursday, or whatever, come to my house, and wear tennis shoes. And I've bought tons and tons of wraps, and so they gather, I throw them hand wraps, and I go, "We're gonna box today." And I throw them their thing, and we wrap up our hands up, I go, "All right, we're gonna warm up with some mitts. I'll show you how to punch." We do that, and then I go, "All right, here's an extra mouthguard, we're sparring."

• 46:31Sam Parr?

  And I, I lead them, and I, we don't hit hard, but like, if they want, every once in a while, I won't hit them hard in the face, but I'll get up in there, and then I'll pop them really hard in the stomach, just so they could feel alive a little.

• 46:42Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, feel what it's like to be alive.

• 46:44Sam Parr?

  And then, I'll let them punch me. I had a guy chip my tooth the other day, and it's been the greatest bonding experience. I've done it with men, women, everyone. With the women, like, well, so, pop me real hard, and I'll hit her in the stomach. Like, it's awesome, man. It is awesome. I have loved doing this with boxing. It brings you together, it makes you feel alive, and it's a fun sport, because we could do it in my garage. And you normally don't box, because it's embarrassing to try that in front of a bunch of people.

• 47:10Shaan Puri?

  Totally, and you're afraid to get killed, yeah.

• 47:12Sam Parr?

  Yeah, and I know, we're not, like, and they'll see me, I go, "Put, I go, "Put your hands up, watch." And well, I like, my move's so slow, I'll just kind of tap them. I'm like, "Look, that's all we're doing. We're just gonna barely touch each other."

• 47:21Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. So I think in the, I think 30s, maybe even 40s boxing works. I think beyond that, boxing also doesn't work, because, you know, for obvious reasons. So, so I think you're, you're doing the thing where you're basically, as you shift in age, you like, shift in sport.

• 47:37Shaan Puri?

  And I've seen like, I think I talked about this once before, but like, people have taken, like, so, so I was talking to my friend Sahil, this guy Sahil Bloom, people might have seen him on Twitter. He's got a big Twitter now. And we were, we were eating and he was talking about, he used to be a baseball player at Stanford. He's a pitcher. And he's like, you know, I got hurt, you know, that kind of ended my pro aspirations. And then it was sort of like, well, this thing, this sport I've dedicated myself to forever is pretty much useless to me at this point, right? Like, I will never play pickup baseball. Like, what am I gonna do? Go find nine friends on one side, nine on the other side, that all like baseball? It's a pain in the ass. All have four hours to kill. And, uh, you know, we have the right skills where we can like pitch and catch.

• 48:19Shaan Puri?

  Uh, you know, like, most people can't even sit in the catcher's squat. Like, you know, it's just, you're never gonna play baseball again. And it's true. Like, baseball is sort of the worst, worst access sport at an early age. I think golf is the worst one at a later age. And so I think that if somebody could take the characteristics that make golf work and create their version of pickleball, I think you'd own a pretty valuable asset. And I'm on the lookout to see what is this next one? Cause I have several friends that didn't invent pickleball. But when pickleball started to get popular, they built pickleball businesses. Some, you know, uh, I can't say their name. They actually, they've like literally asked me not to, but, uh, one of them is they did equipment. So like, they just built like, you know, like an Amazon FBA business, selling pickleball stuff.

• 49:02Shaan Puri?

  And they were able to rank at the top, because at the time pickleball wasn't that competitive, but it got more and more popular over time. And then other people started leagues and there's other people that are bar stools, I think, doing something on the media side. I don't know. There's a bunch of different ways you can ride these waves of new sports. And so what makes golf work is that it's, I think it's outdoors. Um, I think that it's, um, you know, it's a chill sport. So it doesn't require like running, jumping, squatting, like stuff like that. Like it's, you know, old guys can swing the club too. And then all the bad parts you would have to change. So you'd have to find a way to make it a 60 minute or 90 minute experience. You would need, you know, golf's cool because you can do it by yourself. You can do it with one other person or do it with four people.

• 49:44Shaan Puri?

  So that's good. I'd keep that. Um, you would not want to have it be where you need like thousands of dollars of equipment just to get started. Um, or like, you know, pay to go do this thing. And then you'd also want it to be where a beginner can like feel some sort of success. And not just like, like I went to a golf course once- What about spike ball? Too athletic dude, you think you're still thinking like you, you have athleticism still. You gotta think about you 30 years from now. You had a bum hip, the testosterone that you've been taking for 30 years is now wiped you out. You're, you know, you, you're going to be in a different phase, you're going to need a different sport at that time. I think it's got to feel like.

• 50:19Sam Parr?

  I just go for walks.

• 50:22Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, but the walks don't have the thing that the boxing is giving to you where you get to scratch the competitive itch. And you get to do like, kind of like, um, you get to feel alive, you get to still feel like you're doing something. Walking is sort of like the most basic. I think you gotta take like shuffleboard, shuffleboard level of like movement and make it a like outdoor activity. I don't know, what's that one sport that old people play that's like, um.

• 50:46Sam Parr?

  Bocce?

• 50:46Shaan Puri?

  Bocce, I don't know what bocce ball is, maybe this is bocce ball that I'm describing. But I feel like maybe something like bocce ball is what's gonna, what's gonna pick up.

• 50:55Sam Parr?

  So we need to go to questions, I think.

• 50:59Shaan Puri?

  You're not a fan of the new golf?

• 51:00Sam Parr?

  I'm not a fan of the new golf.

• 51:02Shaan Puri?

  Dude, I'm telling you, it's gonna happen. You're gonna see the sport rise in popularity amongst older people and you're gonna be like, fuck, Sean was right. There was an appetite for a sport for older people that's not called golf.

• 51:15Sam Parr?

  Maybe, but like, I can't, it's just like such an impossible thing to predict. I mean, like, I would be, it'd be better predicting which company's gonna be a billion dollar company than which sport is gonna be. Who, like, who would have thought a sport named pickleball was gonna be sick?

• 51:29Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I don't know, I would have put my money on slam ball, but you know, just to show what I know. Dan, do we, um, do we have, uh, what's it called? Did we get the merch? So we have stickers, we have shirts for the tour?

• 51:41Speaker 03

  Yep, we got stickers, we got shirts, we got hoodies. And then my first business in college was making buttons, so I got some buttons for you guys too.

• 51:48Shaan Puri?

  Do you have the shirts with you?

• 51:50Speaker 03

  I don't, they got shipped out yesterday, they are arriving, uh, tomorrow into Miami.

• 51:56Shaan Puri?

  Okay, great, so Austin, Austin no shirts, Miami shirts.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Everything's going to Miami, yep.

• 52:01Shaan Puri?

  Okay.

• 52:01Sam Parr?

  And what about, um?

• 52:03Shaan Puri?

  And what, who's the guy who designed the shirts? Let's give that guy a shout out too.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, let me pull it up, Dustin is his first name.

• 52:11Shaan Puri?

  And he's like, he's like a creative agency or like a kind of a design company or something.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's got a creative agency in Las Vegas.

• 52:18Shaan Puri?

  I've tweeted out, you know, hey, give us some, you know, somebody gives some designs, we'll, we'll, we'll hook you up. And his were by far the most kind of like favorited or liked by people who said like, yeah, pick this one. This, these are the winners.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, Dustin Ionati, he's got an agency out in Las Vegas called Artisans on Fire.

• 52:38Shaan Puri?

  Artisans on Fire. Okay, sweet. Yeah, Artisans on Fire, go check that out. And he made the post economic shirt that's gonna fly off the shelves. Are we giving these away or are we charging for them? I didn't hear the, the end result.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  I got Square set up, so you guys tell me.

• 52:53Sam Parr?

  All right, we'll decide when we're done there.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  All right. Can I share one funny observation?

• 52:57Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 52:57Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  So I've been listening to you guys for like a year now, always on one and a half X. So one of the weirdest things is having to listen to you guys in real time.

• 53:06Sam Parr?

  I've heard that before.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, Sean, it sounds like he's a couple of drinks in.

• 53:11Shaan Puri?

  I can't believe that, uh, but I talk faster than Sam, right? I feel like I'm.

• 53:15Sam Parr?

  I think we both.

• 53:16Shaan Puri?

  I have nervous energy.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  Well, you talk really fast at one and a half X.

• 53:20Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, that's fair. I can't believe people listen to this on, on speed. This doesn't, doesn't make sense to me.

• 53:27Sam Parr?

  All right, I gotta go. I'll talk to you soon.