Jocko Underground: Jonah Hill's Tough Talk About His Jiu Jitsu Skill.

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast number 226, sitting here with Echo Charles, who just recently failed to press record on the recorder. We got a little into the podcast before we recognized that, but we have hit rewind mentally. And we are going to get into some questions from the frontline, from the trenches. From those of you that are out there with a rubber meets the road, we will provide answers in some cases, recommendations in other cases, and at a minimum, we'll give you some courses of action that you can follow so that you can navigate whatever situation and issues you're dealing with at this time. So, let's get into it. We are recording?

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Yes, we are recording, confirmed, double confirmed. For that double check. Okay, first question. What do you think about Jonah Hill's recent statements? He seemed to be into, he seems to be into the jujitsu and he seemed to be talking tough on a recent interview with some other actors, Jason Bateman, Will Arnett, and Sean Hayes. He said, "I love jujitsu, but my body is begging me to not love it." Forty-two-year-old. "My wife often says, 'You're not gonna be a professional fighter, you know that, right? You're a comedian.'" The other actor, Jason Bateman, asked, "Let me ask you something. If we got into it." Jonah replied with, "I would fuck you up. I would fuck all three of you up," referring

• 1:23Speaker 01

  to the other actors, Bateman, Arnett, and Hayes. Jonah continues with my, with, he continues with, "My favorite thing, people say, 'Oh, Jonah Hill, that fat guy from Superbad,' and I'm like, 'I would fucking annihilate you. If you see me, try it. Unless you're way bigger than me, fuck around and find out.'" Okay, what do you both think about this as black belts and practitioners who have competed and been in real street fights in your lifetime?

• 1:49Jocko Willink?

  Well, Jonah Hill, you know, right on, welcome aboard. I'd say he's got the classic late white belt, blue belt, maybe even early purple belt attitude of this, right? I can beat people up now. And it's especially pronounced when people come from a background where they couldn't, couldn't beat people up and kinda knew they didn't, couldn't beat people up, right? Cause even like when you started training, you still, you, before you started training, you kinda had an attitude that you could beat people up.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, I would, the, the small distinction is, I knew a little bit of jujitsu technically before I started training, cause I took, cause I, in high school, we got the Gracie, uh, freaking tapes.

• 2:37Jocko Willink?

  In high school?

• 2:38Speaker 01

  High school, yeah.

• 2:39Jocko Willink?

  I thought you were gonna say you had some kinda program in high school.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 2:42Jocko Willink?

  High school was running.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  You could buy the tapes.

• 2:44Jocko Willink?

  Oh, yeah, of course, Gracie in action.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Horan Gracie, yeah, yeah. So, we knew the, I knew the submissions, but, so technically, I still could, against someone who's untrained, don't know the deal.

• 2:53Jocko Willink?

  Which most people weren't.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly right. So, that's, I mean, technically, sure, did I think I could fight better? And I was like, kinda, I guess, bigger and stronger, whatever, and more athletic, in my opinion, yeah. But it was for a reason, it wasn't, I'm just not this guy who sees red. No, not at all.

• 3:08Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. I thought that I could handle myself pretty good in fights. I'd been in a lot of fights when I was a kid, usually did pretty good, especially when I got, I got beat up a few times younger. And then as I got older, I got a little bit more experienced and did a little bit better, but also was just, you know, kinda the, kind of what, the, like the seeing red type thing. What that really means is, if you strike first and go crazy, like real fast, like a lot of people don't want to have any problem, they don't want, they don't want that kinda beef, right? So, you have confidence that you can handle yourself. And so, I kinda felt like that.

• 3:52Jocko Willink?

  So, when I got introduced to jujitsu, it was more like, holy crap, like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. Now, you take someone like Jonah Hill, who I'm assuming was not like a, a real fisticuffs kinda guy, and probably was always walking around with like, probably not real confident in his ability to fight, which is mo, which is a lot of guys, right? You know, a lot of guys that didn't do any sports at all, cause even in sports, you get, you feel like, "I'm a little bit more strong than this guy, I'm a little bit faster than this guy, I can take this guy." You have that feeling when you interact with other people. So, I think athletics in general gives you a certain level of confidence on how you're gonna do against other people. But if you never really did that, you got a big question mark in your brain.

• 4:37Jocko Willink?

  So, now, when you get on the mats of justice and you start training, and all of a sudden, it's like this whole paradigm shift in what you fought. Cause you go, again, I'm talking about people that were unathletic or didn't participate in athletics, didn't do a lot of fighting, didn't do any fighting, because their mind, they're always thinking, "I'm gonna get my ass kicked." So, now, you get this paradigm shift where you believe you can kick the people's asses, right? And that's gonna feel pretty good. And that's what he's, that's what you feel expressed here, right? "I would annihilate you," right? That's, that's what's being expressed, is that kind of, that kind of, uh, influx of confidence. Because when I learned jujitsu, I was like,

• 5:19Jocko Willink?

  "Okay, like, I, I feel more confident now," but it wasn't a paradigm shift in what I thought. I thought I was already a pretty good fighter, and then I was like, "Oh, I don't know a lot, but now I can handle myself even better." That wasn't a paradigm shift. This is a paradigm shift for a dude like Jonah Hill, who goes from, you know, being a, a, unath, unathletic, I don't know if he's unathletic, but not involved in athletics.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:44Jocko Willink?

  And I don't know what, maybe he did. Did he do sports? Do you know?

• 5:47Speaker 01

  I don't know, but he did very specifically say, "Oh, uh, people say the fat guy from Superbad," you know, so it's almost like, I don't know, it feels like that identity might be kinda following him around or something like this.

• 5:58Jocko Willink?

  Well, I think that insurgence of confidence, it, it tips the scale a little bit too much, right? And I'm, I'm not being negative about, I'm just dealing with, like, explaining the reality. It just tips the scale where people are like, "Oh, I'm a badass now." So, after a little while, that will start to wear off, and he'll start to, like, he even says, "Unless you're way bigger than me." Right? Because he's had a couple of big boys come in there and kinda run game on him, he's like, "Well, what the hell?" And pretty soon, he's gonna learn that also, like, "Oh, this dude wrestled in high school," or also, "This guy played, you know, D1 football," or whatever. So, now, now those become equalizers. Cause when you're a white belt, blue belt, and you get a guy that played D1 football, same size as you, maybe a little bit smaller, he's

• 6:41Jocko Willink?

  a problem. You really, you know, and he trained, he did, he did, he did six classes, and he's a problem, bro. Like, you might, day one, you might catch him in a guillotine, might catch him in an arm lock, right? If you're strong, you might catch him, but as soon as he knows, kinda keep his arms in and, you know, like, you got a problem on your hands, if you're a white belt, blue belt. So, he's gonna get there, he'll be a little bit more humble, and then, you know, purple belt, he'll be a pretty humble guy, and then by, you know, uh, brown belt, he'll realize, I think the ultimate realization that I think is, is a good thing to come to, is, "Hey, I've just been training longer than this other person, and it doesn't make me a better human being, it just means I've been training

• 7:22Jocko Willink?

  a little bit longer." Just like, just like Jonah Hill would beat me at acting, cause he's, that's what he does for a living, and he does it all the time, cool. And he's gonna outact a lot of people, cause he's just been doing it longer. That's what he does. And eventually, you go, "Oh, you know what?" Now, if you think you're a better human being because you're good at your job, or you're good at something you've been done for a long ti, you've been doing for a long time, that might not be the best for your mental health. Might, it might make you a little bit arrogant. But I think he'll, he'll continue down the normal progression of jujitsu, which is, "Oh, my gosh, I'm, I, I don't know anything,"

• 8:01Jocko Willink?

  to six to 18 months in, "I'm actually the baddest MF'er on the planet." To, yeah, to like, the three-year mark where you're kinda like, "Oh, actually, there's a lot of people that I, are a real threat to me, to, hey, you know what, this is just another part of the life, and I'm really happy that I get to train, and it's really fun. And I, and I know that it's not something that I should, uh, I don't hold it against someone, I don't look down on someone because I can kick their ass." You know what I mean? That's kind of a, that's kind of a, a place you need to reach in your life. It's real easy to fall into the trap, right? Of like, "Well, I'm, I can kick your ass,

• 8:46Jocko Willink?

  so I'm kinda like, a little bit better than you." Because fundamentally, as a, as an animal, as an animal in the pack, like, "I can kick your ass, so therefore, I'm a, I'm better than you." And you know, you, you might be a little bit smarter than me, you might be a little bit richer than me, you might be a little bit more witty than me, but I'll kick your ass. You know what I mean? Which, if you go to like, the, the base end of human beings, that's not what we're proud of, right? We're not, we don't go, you know, "Oh, that guy, he might be, you know, a crackhead and a criminal."

• 9:22Speaker 01

  And his family hates him.

• 9:23Jocko Willink?

  And his family hates him, but he can kick your ass. Like, we don't, we don't say that, right? So, at a certain point, Jonah Hill will be like, "Yeah, fighting is definitely a cool skill to have, it's fun, and I'm glad he's training, that's awesome, good for him. Keep getting after it, Jonah Hill." And, uh, Jason Bateman, Will Arnett, and Sean Hayes, you guys should start training. Yeah, yeah. That's what I recommend, whoever those guys are.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Bro, Jason Bateman?

• 9:46Jocko Willink?

  Who was he in?

• 9:47Speaker 01

  The man. Um, he's in a lot of stuff, but there's one, uh, the most recent one that I really got into was Ozark. Was in that one, but he's been in stuff since day one.

• 9:58Jocko Willink?

  Check.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  He's a, yeah, anyway, but yeah, really good. Anyway, um, Jonah Hill's really good too.

• 10:03Jocko Willink?

  Who should, who's, wait, was Jason Bateman, so who's Will Arnett then?

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Will Arnett is a funny guy. He was in, um, there's, you'll know him when you see him.

• 10:13Jocko Willink?

  What's the most popular movie that I would recognize?

• 10:17Speaker 01

  He was one where he was this real smarmy bad guy who has this, he's kind of a comedic funny guy, but he's like, I guess he's kind of alpha, you know, like his characters, you know, you'd have to see him.

• 10:27Jocko Willink?

  And what about Sean Hayes?

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Sean Hayes, I am less familiar with Sean Hayes. I know that he was, I think this was like a public podcast scenario. Yeah, that's kind of.

• 10:37Jocko Willink?

  When you think of Jonah Hill, what do you think of?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Superbad, uh, the one where they, they also the one they.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. To me, he's great in all of them. To me, forgetting Sarah Marshall, bruh, I don't know how, that's one of the better movies out there.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

• 10:57Jocko Willink?

  What's that about?

• 10:59Speaker 01

  The guy, um, you know, he breaks up with his famous girlfriend, goes to Hawaii.

• 11:03Jocko Willink?

  The star?

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Jonah Hill is one of the main guys, yeah.

• 11:06Jocko Willink?

  Is he the one that broke up with his girlfriend?

• 11:07Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, that was, um, what's the, the dude, um, I forget his name. You know, he's one of those. He's in that group of guys that kind of do movies together, but they, he goes to Hawaii and then to forget about her, you know? And then freaking, just by happenstance, she's there on vacation with her new boyfriend who's, uh, Russell Brand, by the way. Russell Brand, freaking Englishman, you know?

• 11:29Jocko Willink?

  Oh, yeah, Russell Brand.

• 11:32Jocko Willink?

  I don't think of, that's funny. I don't think of him, I don't think of like him as being an actor in movies, but I forget that he is an actor.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And it's one of his freaking greatest roles too, ever. Like the whole movie, just who they got for that movie.

• 11:43Jocko Willink?

  That's classic. Like I could see they, they picked the right guy to play the ex or the new boyfriend.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. So good. And it goes, as good as you think he'll be in that movie, he's that good and better in that movie. They actually, they all are, even Jonah Hill where he was, he's like the, it's like a waiter that, you know, apparently moved there from the mainland. Now he's a waiter, which is such a.

• 12:03Jocko Willink?

  It's a real thing.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  It's a real thing. Yeah, exactly. So he's kind of the, or he's like the host. He's a host at a restaurant, kind of a waiter, I think. Yeah, he's a waiter too. And he's in there with his thing and he's like, all these little side things that really have like, he's like, hey, uh, what's his name, Aldous Snow or whatever? He's like, hey Aldous, here's my demo tape, you know, like that kind of stuff. It's, you know, it's super funny.

• 12:24Jocko Willink?

  Is, does Russell play like a, cause he's the new boyfriend, but what's his job in real life? Is he like a famous guy?

• 12:30Speaker 01

  He's Aldous Snow. So I don't know if you know Russell Brand's kind of history in like acting and performing as well. He's part of like a band that's I guess pseudo, um, fictitious or whatever, you know, like this, it's like a real band. But his name and his name is actual, his name Aldous Snow. So if you ever watch, uh, Get Him To The Greek, which is another movie with Russell Brand, he's Aldous Snow in that one as well.

• 12:54Jocko Willink?

  Oh, okay.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  See what I'm saying? So, and he's the singer of a band and Jonah Hill's in that one too.

• 12:57Jocko Willink?

  Oh, okay.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  So, but, so he's Aldous Snow in Forgetting Sarah Marshall and then Sarah Marshall's dating Aldous Snow, the super famous like guy. So anyway, it's super funny the way they did it.

• 13:07Jocko Willink?

  Did you, um, I think the movie is called Meet The Fockers?

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Yep. Meet The Fockers. Meet The Parents, Meet The Fockers.

• 13:13Jocko Willink?

  Owen Wilson, right? He plays the ex-boyfriend.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  That's Meet The Parents, the first one.

• 13:18Jocko Willink?

  Okay. Is it?

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:20Jocko Willink?

  Okay. Well, that one dude, the way that Owen Wilson, the way he portrays that character, it's like the worst ever. Ex-boyfriend that you could come up against.

• 13:31Jocko Willink?

  When he builds that like altar out and he's like, yeah, it took about, you know, twenty three hundred man hours, but you know, I like working with my hands.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Which was pretty good, being that it's, uh, done all by hand with one piece of wood.

• 13:47Jocko Willink?

  But you know, carpentry, you know, I always figure it's good enough for JC, it's good enough for me. I mean, that was like a nightmare for a dude to have to meet someone that's just that cool.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  More or less the dad, right? The fiance's dad is like totally on board with ex-boyfriend.

• 14:02Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  He's there witnessing this whole comparison thing and he's like, Greg's a male nurse, like right as he's, right as he says all the thing, you know, for the comparison. Oh man, yeah. Another very well done.

• 14:16Jocko Willink?

  Dude, classic.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  But Jonah Hill's, I'll say this, it might sound crazy, but hear me out. Jonah Hill, which I, I think you're agreeing with, Jonah Hill is actually correct with his feeling and opinion.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Real feeling where, and technically like kind of, I don't know if he'd fuck these specific people. We don't know that because we don't know their training, we don't know, you know, the circuit. We don't know that part of it, but the feeling.

• 14:39Jocko Willink?

  You don't know if, uh, if, if Arnett was a, was a state champion wrestler in Iowa, which he could be. And then Jonah's got his hands full, kind of.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. You get a big, strong guy, um, who's kind of down to fight, like how you're saying, if you played sports or something, that's what it is. Like you know how to impose yourself regardless of skill onto someone and deal with some fatigue and just inner competition or whatever. You know how to deal with that. It's like, bro, that's another added element in, in any kind of match, you know? So, um, you just don't know, that's the point. But what he was feeling right here is a hundred percent real. Oh yeah, one's a four stripe white belt or even like a new blue belt or whatever. And now you're looking at all your other peers in your other industry that's not known for being these hardcore guys. Bro, you're looking at them like, bro, I would kill all you guys. That's literally how it feels. And I would say for the most part, not all the time, but for the most part, true.

• 15:32Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  And I, so I remember when I was a, yeah, white belt, like a four stripe-ish, we didn't do stripes. But you know, I'd been in it for a while or whatever, maybe three quarters of the way to blue belt, we'll say. And, oh yeah, my brothers, freaking my coworkers, bro, I was like, bro, let's, yeah, hundred percent.

• 15:50Jocko Willink?

  Oh, yeah. And we'll go at the drop of a dime.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Looking for it. Exactly. Ready and down and hoping.

• 15:56Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Hoping. Oh yeah. So this feeling is hundred percent correct, hundred percent correct.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  But you're right, like when you have that new power, you know, it's kind of like when you have a new, I don't know, anything. You got a new lawnmower. You're looking at everybody's lawn.

• 16:10Jocko Willink?

  That's why, that's why like when, when Rogan or Eddie Bravo talks about like the, the, what is, the nerd assassins, right? This happens because people that are, that get into jujitsu, but they weren't really into anything else before.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:24Jocko Willink?

  Like when a dude's a wrestler and then he starts doing jujitsu, like it's, he doesn't get this influx. This over pressure of feeling like I can kick people's ass now. But if you were just a nerd and then all of a sudden you, within three months, you realize like within three months, there's a new guy that comes in that was a wrestler that used to bully you around. And now you put him in a triangle choke and he has to tap out. Like that's gotta be, that's gotta be an insurgence of, of power. Where it's gonna, you end up saying some shit like, I will fucking annihilate you.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. And now can, and consider the, the question, right? And Jason Bateman, obviously if you know his personality and because I did see the video, he didn't ask it like, what up? You think you could take me? Cause that's a typical question too, right? You say, oh, I did, he goes, oh, you think you could take me? That's like confrontational. So that feeling, now hold on to that right there. So Jason Bateman said, if we were to get into it, right? That's, let me ask you something. If we were to get into it, that's kind of like, could you take me? But the way he asked was kind of like more out of curiosity, like, hey, like where, where does this kind of stand as far as actual capability goes? That was kind of the question. But as that four stripe white belt, bro, I'm waiting for somebody to ask me that question and I'm going to take it like, hey, like that's a challenge.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  See what I'm saying? So that made him be more aggressive with his answer, in my opinion, where it's like, you think if me and you were to get into it, that's like, oh, oh, what?

• 17:47Jocko Willink?

  And I don't know, again, I don't know Jason Bateman, Will Arnett and Sean Hayes personally. And maybe they are more engaged in the fight community than I think. But as we've said before, a lot of people, when you say, oh, I trained jujitsu, they just think you do karate.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:02Jocko Willink?

  They just think karate and they're like, oh, you, you can break some wood stuff. And sometimes people are actually impressed by that. Like Jason Bateman, again, I don't know him, but he might be like, oh damn, so you can like break woods. I'd hate it if he punched me in the face. You know what I mean?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Yep, yep, hundred percent.

• 18:16Jocko Willink?

  And so he's kind of like, wait, if we got into it, would you break my face? Cause he's thinking you can do a karate kick to my face now.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Right. Exactly.

• 18:22Jocko Willink?

  Like what would happen?

• 18:23Speaker 01

  In fact, I would actually, now that you kind of put it that way, you're right. It, it, cause that's kind of what it sounded like. It was more out of curiosity. Like you do jujitsu, but what is jujitsu? Like, so if, is it, are we fighting or is it tai chi? Or is it, uh, capoeira, you know, more of a dance scenario that is fighting, you know, like what? That's the tone that I got from it, but like I said, bro, you're that four stripe white belt, don't matter. It's all the same. It's all the same question. Like what up? You know, kind of a thing. So to me, that's what made Jonah Hill, and I get it, bro, fuck, I'm with you. I'm, to be honest, I kind of felt it. I was like, bro, fucking Jonah Hill, let him know. You see what I'm saying? Not because, because I like Jason Bateman. But I'm like, hey, I felt that too. No, no, no.

• 19:03Jocko Willink?

  You just like his personality from what you've seen?

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Fan of Jason Bateman, hundred percent. But, um, but that feeling that Jonah Hill was feeling, that it looked like he was feeling there and demonstrated was hundred percent real, hundred percent accurate. And I would venture to say that most of us in the jujitsu community have gone through this feeling or gone through this phase of feeling this. The only part that I think maybe sparked the controversy is that he said it

• 19:29Jocko Willink?

  Aggressively.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Who he is, yup aggressively in public, like on a public forum. You see what I'm saying? And you know, you get everyone else who's whether they've been through that phase or not. It's kind of like, okay, that was kind of a challenge to us a little bit, to me personally, a little bit. I would annihilate.

• 19:46Jocko Willink?

  What was the, um, like, what was the, the feeling from the jujitsu community?

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I felt like it was kind of everywhere. Like some people were saying, um, what I was saying, where I was like, yeah, brother, that's how you feel when you're for a straight white belt.

• 19:59Jocko Willink?

  Or, or, or not, not, not even just the, what was the feeling from the world?

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:03Jocko Willink?

  Where people like, what, what's this guy? We think he's gonna take Jason Bateman?

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:07Jocko Willink?

  No way. Jonah Hill is.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  So my algorithm is, is more jujitsu people and not necessarily the Hollywood people as much. But, um, the jujitsu people were somewhere like, oh, I'm challenging Jonah Hill. I'm a white belt. I'm a blue belt or whatever. I saw some of that. I was like, brother, that's. You're missing the point here, but, but I get it. I get that feeling too. Because let's face it, especially when you're blue belt. I think blue belt is kind of the, purple belt, that's when you start to hit that maturity, whatever. But late blue belt, early purple belt. If you hear that some celebrity does jujitsu, oh, I'm, you know, remember like, uh, who's like kind of the main ones? Like there was, uh, Ashton Kutcher, uh, Sean Patrick Flannery. Like the, the famous guys who do jujitsu. All of us were at the very least wondering, oh, bro, I think, I, I think I could take him.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  He's just an actor, kind of a thing, you know, like, that's like a, a common, like, kind of thought you might have. Or you see, uh, I don't know, anybody famous, right? You want to see, ooh, how's this famous guy's jujitsu stack up against mine?

• 21:05Jocko Willink?

  Is it for real?

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:07Jocko Willink?

  For real?

• 21:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think that's part of like the jujitsu experience, I think.

• 21:11Jocko Willink?

  I was training with Sloan one day and he was like, after like, uh, we've been training together for maybe like a year or two. But we were just talking after I got that training goes, he was honestly, bro, I don't mean this in a bad way, but like when I first trained with you, I didn't think you were going to be that good.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:26Jocko Willink?

  That's probably it. Cool. Yeah. I'll take that as a compliment.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:30Jocko Willink?

  You know?

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And that's exactly the point, you know, is because yeah, you're this, you're a Navy SEAL, right? Or you're a leadership guy or author or a X, Y, Z or whatever. See what I'm saying? And then, so you just kind of wonder, I think, I think that's natural is what I'm saying. I'm not necessarily saying that, like, we all have that very strong feeling. I'm just saying it's natural to think that or whatever. Um, so there are things, I, I saw some of that reaction. Um, I saw some, you know, obviously the, some hate me like, oh, he's a, actor or whatever. His jujitsu probably sucks or ooh, calm down or whatever. Um, and I, I personally think that that's maybe just us forgetting that that's a real part of the jujitsu journey.

• 22:09Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. It's also forgetting that he's, he's a dude.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:13Jocko Willink?

  He's a person.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 22:14Jocko Willink?

  Who's got the normal person things going on in the world.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Exactly right. So even remember, uh, Mark Zuckerberg was on, I don't know, maybe Theo Von, he's on one of these podcasts where he was like, you know, I, it's like, what do you do as a hobby, whatever? And he said, um, uh, I do jujitsu, you know, some just, it's just something about waking up and choking people, you know? Like he said that, but it's like, oh, I noticed and, bro, I'm with you. I noticed that's how you put it, waking up and just choking people. Bro, that's not what jujitsu is, bro. It's freaking, actually you choke people about eight to 10% of the time on a good day. The rest, you're freaking hoping you don't get choked, getting choked, getting your, you know, it's like, there's a lot to it. But it's kind of like, we want, we put forward this super capable version of our jujitsu.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  You know, of our jujitsu experience or whatever. And that to me, that's natural, bro. Like, so yeah, when you're on stage and someone's like, you know, what's your hobby? And you got this new, not only a hobby, superpower, straight up superpower. And you get to say it and whatever, and it's new. And then someone low key challenges it, brother, this is what you're gonna get 100% of the time. This is it. Bro, if I was on the stage in that position, that's what would probably would have came out of me too.

• 23:25Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  I think, but yeah.

• 23:28Jocko Willink?

  Right on, right on.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  All good. I'm with you, brother. Like freaking more people doing jujitsu, more people going through the experience, bro. It's, it's a good one.

• 23:34Jocko Willink?

  Keep getting out. You don't want to challenge Jonah Hill?

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 23:37Jocko Willink?

  Good to go. All right. Keep training, brother. Keep training, everybody. Let's go.

• 23:43Jocko Willink?

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