Peace Deal Between Ukraine & Russia: At What Cost? w/ Jack Murphy | EYES ON PODCAST

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• 1:37Speaker 01

  Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes On. We got a very special guest today, Jack Murphy. Jack, how's it going, bud?

• 1:44Jack Murphy?

  Going good, man. Long time no see. It feels like it was only yesterday that we were doing a Team House interview.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Yep, literally was probably 12 hours ago. Yeah. And I forced you, I forced you to come on and do an Eyes On with us.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  So what's happening today? Big news, I mean relatively big news. Trump spoke with Putin for an hour and then spoke with Zelensky after that, talking about, they both signaled that they're interested in a peace deal. People are freaking out because it seems as though Trump is kind of a...

• 2:24Speaker 01

  The big thing I'm seeing from like the West and NATO people and like different media outlets is that it's it's Trump and Putin that are gonna carve up Europe and stuff like that, really doing a lot of like analogous to the 1930s and stuff like that, so

• 2:43Speaker 01

  that's kind of where we're at.

• 2:44Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, well, I mean, it's the same negotiated exit out of Afghanistan where we just negotiated with the Taliban and the Afghan government wasn't even a part of it, really.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, which you would think, you know, they should be a kind of at least a part of it. I mean, Zelensky's saying all the right things, it seems like, you know, he's saying that he's interested in a peace deal. I mean, he can't really pop off about how he really feels, right? Like, you know, everyone knows he hates Putin, you can't really blame him. Um, but because he can't really piss off Trump.

• 3:19Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, you heard, I mean, he also said today that like he wants to have a call with Xi and Putin and propose that like we all cut our defense budgets in half. And it's a lot of like pie in the sky kind of thinking and I know we'll get into like Pete Hegseth, but I mean, whether you, whatever you feel or however you feel about Donald Trump, I mean, his style is, you know, chaos as a leadership style. Um, he treats this stuff like it's a game show, you know, it's like, oh, maybe it's gonna be this, but maybe it's gonna be that.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:51Jack Murphy?

  Tune in next time, guys, and find out how it all ends, you know? So he has this propensity to throw out, and maybe he knows that some of them are pie in the sky, you know, just ludicrous, um, suggestions. Um, and I, I think we saw a little bit, a little bit of that over just the last 24 hours even with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth going to Europe.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, he was just speaking now too in Brussels, I guess, at NATO. Uh, talking about how the US is, the US Navy's not fitted to going up against Russia somehow.

• 4:27Jack Murphy?

  Um, it's, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, but it's, it's really clownish. Um, you know, you reach a point where like, You know, everyone's gonna say, oh, you have Trump derangement syndrome or something. It's like, no, when someone says something that's totally ridiculous.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:43Jack Murphy?

  And dumb, I'm just gonna say that. And I think Pete put his foot in his mouth here. And, you know, he said the other day, it was just, what was it just yesterday? He said that.

• 4:58Jack Murphy?

  He sees no plausible scenario where Ukraine's territory, or at least all of it, will be returned to them. And doesn't see any possibility that Ukraine would ever join NATO. And so he put those two things, they weren't even preconditions, they were just handouts.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:15Jack Murphy?

  Before negotiations even began. And then today, he started walking it back. He's like, oh, well, the only person who can negotiate is President Trump, the leader of the free world. I'm not going to stand up on this podium and say anything, you know, one way or the other. So he was trying to like walk back his previous statement that had been pretty definitive, just like 24 hours prior. And, you know, that just speaks to, I think, you know, him being out of his depth. You know, I, you could try to attribute it to malice or something like that. And maybe, maybe that's the case. I don't know. But. I think it's inexperience. I don't think he really knows what he's doing.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I kind of, I feel, listen, if I'm a European country. Like a leader in a European country, Poland, Germany, take your pick, obviously.

• 6:03Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  I'm definitely coming out, like the German Chancellor came out and like said. Yeah, there's not this, you know, Europe's got to be involved in terms of what a piece will look like, you know? And I think like a big, the big question about like the, the peace deal or the ceasefire deal would be about like, who would be managing the. Demilitarization area or like the lines, like, are there going to be international troops? If so, who's going to like provide them? Also at that point, like if somebody pops off, drinks a little bit too much vodka or something and starts shooting at.

• 6:38Jack Murphy?

  There was, um, there was a, uh, there is a United Nations organization and, uh, forgive me if I can't remember the acronym. I think it's like U N E D or U N C D. And, uh, after 2014, they came in and kind of managed to make sure both sides were following, um, whatever agreement had been hashed out after, after the initial incursion into Ukraine. Um, so I mean, that, that body could be brought back to do that ostensibly. Um, but yeah, I mean, these things are going to come up. Do you end up creating like a demilitarized zone like at the Golan Heights and it's occupied by like Fajian and Pakistani and Indian peacekeepers?

• 7:19Jack Murphy?

  I mean, what, what, how, how's that going to, uh, work out? Those are all questions that will come up in the negotiations.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And, um, this was just recently, I think, um, probably 30 or so minutes ago. President Trump was asked if he trusts Putin and President Trump said, yeah, I believe he would like to see something in terms of what pieces, what trying to get peace done. I trust him on this subject. He also says he wants to see Russia back in the G7, which was kicked out of after crime, uh, annexing Crimea. I think Putin would love to be back. I mean, I get like Trump, this is how Trump speaks. He speaks really, uh,

• 7:57Speaker 01

  nonchalantly and kind of like, you know, everyone's pal kind of thing. Um, I think that's why a lot of Europe and NATO countries are taking it this way, understandably so, because, you know, they're in the actual sphere of Russian influence, right? Like they have to worry about, if you're Poland, like you're fucking freaking out.

• 8:16Jack Murphy?

  There's a lot, there's a lot at stake here and, uh, you know, treating it like a game show, putting inexperienced people in these very senior positions. Of course that makes the.

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• 9:57Jack Murphy?

  Nuts. It's, we must appear very schizophrenic to them, that they never really know where they stand. And again, I mean, I think President Trump has this very odd propensity to attack our allies and cozy up to our adversaries. That I don't, is, you know, some people say, Jack, well, he's playing four-dimensional chess. You don't understand, you know, how, it's like, okay, I kind of get it. You want to try something different to get a different result? I can understand it to a point. But I mean, running around, starting fights with like Denmark and Canada.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, sure.

• 10:35Jack Murphy?

  What are you doing here? Like, what's the point?

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, there's clearly no point in all that, like, all that stuff.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, listen.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  It's it's listen, I get it. I get why people are upset like he's. Playing nice with Putin and like, I don't know how. Anybody can trust a guy like.

• 10:57Jack Murphy?

  And the the thing, the thing you have to understand, and I mean, the the publicly stated, um, you know. Not policy, but you know, the outward facing public statements that a government makes. Don't always reflect what's happening behind closed doors, for sure. Um, but I mean, Putin is a dictator. And I mean, th- this guy is not your friend. This guy does not want what's best for America. He doesn't give a shit about anyone here. He doesn't give a shit about. Americans, he doesn't give a shit about Europeans. Does not care about that at all. His main concern is regime preservation, which is self preservation for him. And he will do anything it takes to maintain that.

• 11:42Jack Murphy?

  Um, so. Seeing these people as like friends or like people we can cut a deal. It's like, no. These countries have interests and maybe we can appeal to their interests and we can reach some sort of a settlement on some issues. Some some were not, just to be honest, we're not going to reach that negotiated settlements on all issues.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:02Jack Murphy?

  China and Russia, that's not going to happen.

• 12:06Jack Murphy?

  Um, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try and engage in diplomacy. Um, but yeah, I find this strategy like very. Curious and I I think the Russians are probably celebrating it.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the Russian ca- Russians came out. And we're like, yeah, we're willing, you know, taking it as a very positive thing, obviously that they're willing to talk and. Uh, they, I think they just mentioned that, like, you know, Trump has the the will to get this done.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  The other problem too, including Hexeth saying like, you know, they'll never be in NATO. Um, was Trump talking about like the lines, the pre 2014 lines or 22 lines or where the lines would end up? And he said, you know, Russia really, I'm paraphrasing, Russia has really. Fought hard and lost a lot of guys for them for that land. It's like guy. It's not Russia's land. This isn't, you know, nineteen eighty-four. Like, this isn't like the Soviet Union. Russia has no claim to it anymore. And guess what? They they invaded and Ukrainians have lost a ton of people as well. It's just

• 13:14Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean

• 13:15Speaker 01

  The language is tough for people. Also, if you're a good negotiator, it's like you're throwing, you're just giving them concessions out of the gate. Like, what are we talking about? Like, you could be jovial and gregarious and stuff before you go into a negotiation, then be a cocksucker. That I get that. That's part of it, but just throwing out main points that people are all like interested in is doesn't really make sense to me.

• 13:39Jack Murphy?

  I mean, he was talking about how like Ukraine never should have gotten into that war. It's like, what they didn't get into it. They got invaded. What are you talking about? And I I mean, when I listen to his statements, particularly now we're looking at second term President Trump. I mean, when he talks, it just sounds like old man babble to me. I mean, it's incoherent. It doesn't really make sense.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:01Jack Murphy?

  Um, you know, somebody's handing him an index card, maybe with some talking points on it before he goes on camera. But I mean, it's just like perfectly clear. This guy is not sound.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:13Jack Murphy?

  And it's questionable if he has both hands on the wheel. Like, who's really driving this train?

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I mean, the obvious answer is Elon Musk, but

• 14:25Jack Murphy?

  Did you see the things that supposedly Elon's son was saying during the press conference?

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:32Jack Murphy?

  I was just looking at that today and and I listened to it myself and it sounds like that.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. It's pretty wild. And you kind of can see, I don't know if Trump's seething or like he just doesn't know what's going. He's just not listening. You know what I mean? Like,

• 14:47Jack Murphy?

  Or maybe he maybe he's happy to go and do the press conferences and stuff like that and let, you know, Elon just run amok behind the scenes. I don't know.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Elon destroy the Constitution. Yeah.

• 14:57Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. Committee to end the Constitution.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  No biggie.

• 15:00Jack Murphy?

  Go for it, Elon.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, the the Trump, the Elon kid stuff is wild. I mean, it's clearly a move, in my opinion, um, because he's had that whole aura and like that whole like narrative of him being a deadbeat father because he's got like twelve kids.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  And you know, I've seen it like recently. He's had he has a kid on the shoulders. It was kids at inauguration parties, different things like that. And he brings them into the Oval Office. I feel like it's definitely kind of stage managed.

• 15:31Jack Murphy?

  Oh, yeah. I, yeah, I think Elon can afford to hire a babysitter if he needs it.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, right. Like your kids with you in the Dodge offices, like just chilling, you know?

• 15:40Jack Murphy?

  That's like something I do where I drag my daughter around the world.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Right. You're not worth 400 billion.

• 15:45Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, cor- correct.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  And even like the Elon, the, the press conference yesterday with Musk and Trump in the Oval Office with the kid picking his nose, telling Trump to shut it.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  They asked Elon questions and he's, I, I guess he's learning from the school of like Trump, like where you just deny everything.

• 16:09Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, just say, speak out of both sides of your mouth. Yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  It was like, there's nothing coherent coming out of you. They asked him about conflict of interest, right? With his DOD contracts for SpaceX or whatever. He's like, oh, no, I, I have nothing to do with that. My, the employees, the employees of SpaceX deal with that. It's like, dude, you're still the CEO of the company. Are we like, just gonna go over that fact and like not hit, not talk about that? It was just, it's kind of surreal what's going on.

• 16:41Jack Murphy?

  Oh, it's very surreal.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, it's not normal whatsoever. And I get it. Biden had mashed potato brains, but.

• 16:48Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  And, yeah. Yeah, he was not fit to be president at all whatsoever. Um. And what's interesting is, we've talked about this before, like out of the Democrat side, like you see like really no kind of resistance at all.

• 17:02Jack Murphy?

  Nothing substantial.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Because you would know, like, you know, the Republicans, even if it was like a normal, moderate president, like a Biden 2.0, right? They would be screaming from the rooftops about everything and anything, right? Like trying to, trying to grasp at shaws, whatever they can do to make the news, erode some of that support. And like, it is.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  The the Dems can't get their shit together. It's pretty amazing. Like Hakeem Jeffries to me is a can't I can't even believe he's the leader.

• 17:32Jack Murphy?

  The minority leader. They just seem they seem neutered. They seem professionally lost. Um, maybe traumatized even. Um, yeah, they absolutely cannot get their act together and I don't know. I don't know if they'll be able to.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Sure. Yeah, no, me neither.

• 17:47Jack Murphy?

  I mean, no matter what your political views are, um, well, I shouldn't say that. That's a big assumption. Um, but my my opinion is that it's good to have an opposition party in the United States.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:59Jack Murphy?

  You know, a party that is in opposition to the one that's in power, be it Democrat or Republican. You know, you want these checks and balances of someone out there, you know, challenging these decisions like is this is this really the right thing to do? Is it the legal thing to do, etcetera? Um, right now I feel like we don't have an opposition party.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  No, no, it's totally they're totally like toothless. It's a it's pretty wild to see. Um, I think they just didn't expect to lose. That's what I think. I I really believe that.

• 18:28Jack Murphy?

  But then when they did, why didn't they have a plan? Like some sort of a plan.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, they have no plan whatsoever.

• 18:35Jack Murphy?

  No, no, they don't.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Um.

• 18:38Jack Murphy?

  No one is coming to save you.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  No, right. Exactly. Yeah, it's just you. So do something for the love of God. Um, I mean, I guess some other news like Tulsi Gabbard got confirmed. So that's that's good, I guess, for Russia. Uh. Sorry, guys. I know you guys are gonna get worked up about this, but like, let's call a spade a spade. Gabbard's an absolute liability. I think Mitch I think Mitch McConnell was the only, uh, no, Mitch McConnell either. I think he might have not voted for. I'm almost certain. He's the only Republican.

• 19:14Jack Murphy?

  He didn't vote for her and he voted against RFK Junior.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  RFK Junior, yeah. Um, so just back quickly to, uh, I saw another quote from Trump about talking about denuclearizing. Like denuclearization. It's like.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Come on, man. Come on. I mean, everybody would want that in a perfect world, but we don't live in a perfect world. And as much as my I have liberal ideals, I'll admit it right now. It's like, dude, you you live in a real world, like there's pragmatic ways of going about it. You can't just denuclearize. How are you gonna trust another country to do the same thing? Right? Like it's. It's just like we're wasting a lot of bandwidth on bullshit. I feel like.

• 19:55Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah, correct. And you know, the disappointing thing is that the Republicans came into power saying, A, the left has, you know, focused on the wrong things. They've been focused on DEI. They've been focused on transgenders, all this other kind of stuff. And like to a certain point, I agree that the left focused way too much.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Me too. Yeah, of course.

• 20:15Jack Murphy?

  But um, to see them come in, you know, and they, they too are like, like USAID is the big enemy that needs to be taken down. I mean, if you want to go through and audit them and, and make sure that their line items are in order. I have no problem with that at all.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Or fire their director and get somebody in there who's gonna, you know, do something that like, don't circum, like, don't circumvent the Constitution.

• 20:42Jack Murphy?

  Attack, uh, attack this organization like it's the deep state. It's the embodiment of the deep state. Um, you know, that because they hand out bags of rice to people overseas or, or engage, like, give polio vaccines or whatever.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  AIDS medicine or, you know, whatever.

• 20:58Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, like this. So this is what you're focused on. This is it. Not DEI. You're focused on USAID.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't understand why the USAID was the one that got like the, got picked out of the bunch, right? Cause there's a ton of departments that I'm sure have a lot of waste and fraud and stuff.

• 21:15Jack Murphy?

  I could speculate on where some of that may have come from, but I, I, I won't. Um, they, they probably just saw it as low hanging fruit.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, because.

• 21:24Jack Murphy?

  Easy for them to go in. And I mean, that's what it is. At the end of the day, they're building up these little straw men to knock over. And then they can claim it as a victory. Like, oh, look what we did. You know, we tore down USAID. Like,

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:36Jack Murphy?

  Okay, cool. I mean, now what?

• 21:40Speaker 01

  What was interesting?

• 21:41Jack Murphy?

  That's the problem when you get into a, um, a sort of personalized, uh, presidential, I guess they're all personalized to an extent, but with President Trump, it's very much a personalized regime, if you will. Um, and the question always becomes, you know, with a populist too, what do you do for an encore?

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:01Jack Murphy?

  Like what? Okay.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  What's next?

• 22:03Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, what's next?

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's, uh, could be the scary part of it. Uh.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know what's next because like you can't really see them going into the DOD and chopping shit out. There's, I mean, I would be surprised.

• 22:19Jack Murphy?

  They are allegedly already at Veterans Affairs.

• 22:25Jack Murphy?

  They're at IRS allegedly as of today.

• 22:31Jack Murphy?

  I mean, they might send people and they might send these little teenagers into DOD at some point to muck around with the code. And I mean, who's going to tell them, no, it's not going to be Pete.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:41Jack Murphy?

  I mean, he's, he was put in there as Secretary of Defense because he doesn't have the wherewithal to stand up to the president. They don't want another Mattis or Esper. They don't want somebody that might have a shred of independent thought at some point.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:55Jack Murphy?

  So they found this, you know, overgrown frat boy and stuck him in there because he'll do what he's told.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  You think a ceasefire gets done in Ukraine?

• 23:09Jack Murphy?

  Um, a ceasefire is a possibility, yeah.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Or a peace deal, whatever. You know what I mean? Like a freeze, a freezing of the lines.

• 23:18Jack Murphy?

  Possibly, yeah. Um, not, not, so I'm talking about during the, the breadth of the Trump administration. So they have, you know, basically almost four years.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:28Jack Murphy?

  Um, to do that, I think it's possible. I think Ukraine and Russia have both fought themselves nearly to exhaustion, close to exhaustion. Um, because the, the battle lines move a little bit here and there, but they are more or less solidified at this.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:46Jack Murphy?

  Um, so if neither side can make further progress, then that I think opens up the door for negotiations. And, and I think, you know, those, looking for some sort of ceasefire or, um, overall peace negotiations. I mean, it's always worthwhile to try. Um, the, the terms offered, and, and I think that's why they haven't happened yet, is that neither side was really quite ready to begin negotiating. Neither side wanted to offer any compromise. I think we're far enough along in the war at this point, um, that during the Trump administration, we could, yeah, see some sort of agreement.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I hope so, and I hope it's not just like Russia. Winning completely, you know, like every concession possible they get.

• 24:38Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, that's the concern because again, you know, the the administration, the the Trump administration wants a win in the box. And a win for them is, hey, I negotiated this ceasefire.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't matter. The particulars don't really matter.

• 24:51Jack Murphy?

  Like where that borderline is, you know, does Russia get Kiev? I mean, that's not going to happen, but just for instance, you know, we just give them half of the country. And but that's fine for us because we got. Our settlement, you know, we got our negotiation.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:07Jack Murphy?

  So, you know, that's a State of the Union address talking point there in a press conference like we did this historic thing. Even though you completely fucked our ally, Ukraine, and, you know, put Poland. Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia all in a tight spot.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:25Jack Murphy?

  They're they're the next on the chopping block and they all know it.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  For sure. Yeah. I try to think about like alternate history, like imagine. Kiev did fall in a week or five days or whatever they said. Where they'd be at now, like they would have to be at least creeping. Towards other, I mean NATO states, but maybe not, I don't know, but.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  It's wild how the last three years, almost three years since the invasion.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  How it's played out and like the paper tiger that is Russia's military.

• 26:00Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah, and their their economy is. Just destroyed, basically, and some people, some economists think it'll never recover.

• 26:11Jack Murphy?

  And, you know, the Russian system is is kind of unsustainable anyway. I mean, Putin is going to go eventually, right? One way or the other. And like I was, so this is interesting. I went to a, it was a recital, actually. In Manhattan and it was one of the Russian prisoners. He was a political dissident in Russia. And we got him loose as a part of the, not the most recent prisoner exchange, the one before that. We got this guy out and he gave a speech and like talked and like had a conversation about his imprisonment and about Russia.

• 26:50Jack Murphy?

  And then this famous Russian piano player, classical piano player, he's almost 90 years old. Came out and played and he, he became a political dissident at like age 87.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 27:06Jack Murphy?

  When the war in Ukraine popped off, he was like, I don't support this. And he left behind a very prestigious career in Russia over this war in Ukraine and his opposition to it. But the, the guy who was a political prisoner in Russia was making the point, he was saying, you know, we can imagine in our mind, 100 different scenarios for regime change in Russia. But the reality is it's always going to be the 101st option that you haven't thought about.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:41Jack Murphy?

  And the other point he made was that we, you know, the Russian people have seen both in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the collapse of the Tsarist era, that it all happened in three days. And it was done, like it happened very rapidly.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:58Jack Murphy?

  And that is probably how it will go down again.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be, that's, it's crazy to think about, but that is the history, right? Like that is what's happened.

• 28:10Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, there's a great, if, I mean, this, we're getting like super nerdy now.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Do it, nerd it.

• 28:16Jack Murphy?

  There's, I've been reading off and on this book.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Oh, God, you told me about this book, yeah.

• 28:23Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, and it's kind of a somewhat famous book. I mean, it's written by a very prestigious professor. But also some of the passages in it are a little controversial and even got picked up by people who are conspiracy theorists. And I wanted to read the book for myself. And actually, it's very good. It's a history, it's kind of a history of the world, really. But the chapters on, on the, on the Soviet Union, on Nazi Germany.

• 28:53Jack Murphy?

  I'm trying to, I mean, there's so much in here, but the chapters are filled with these like very interesting cultural insights. And I mean, I learned things about the Russians and, and, you know, it explains Putin, the, the tradition that Putin comes from, that he comes out of this tradition of, you know, the Russians seeing themselves as the most authentic expression of Slavic culture, which is the most authentic expression of humanity. And then it leads into all this like Third Rome neo-fascism. It's, it's very odd and very strange to our American minds. I'll put it that way.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Sure. Yeah. I remember you read me a part of it, a couple of pages when you started reading it and it was, yeah, it's pretty, it was pretty fucking gnarly. Like that's the,

• 29:43Speaker 01

  that's, you know, Putin's mindset. I'm sure it's not like everybody in Russia's mindset, clearly, but I mean, a strong man in Russia, you know, Russia's strong. Russia must be strong. We must show the world how strong Russia is. Like it's very caveman-esque, if you ask me.

• 30:00Jack Murphy?

  And this, and this book was published in 1966.

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• 31:34Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Wow.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:40Jack Murphy?

  It's super interesting. It goes through, you know, the dawn of civilization, basically the Russian Empire. And then it goes back and talks about the economy,

• 31:53Jack Murphy?

  changing economic patterns, policy of appeasement. I mean, and then I haven't even gotten to World War II yet. I think I just finished World War I.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  I mean, thinking about like how in Russian history, at least recent Russian history, whether it was the Tsarists or the collapse of the Soviet Union or whatever. I mean, we did see a flicker of that possibility with like the Wagner, the Wagner mutiny and stuff like that.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Granted, I don't know if Progosian would have been a better fucking leader than Putin, right? Yeah.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  It showed a big chink in the armor, like he's not, he's not untouchable and stuff. I mean, he eventually got his, but you know what I mean?

• 32:38Jack Murphy?

  There's a great documentary made by Adam Curtis called, I believe it's called Trauma Zone, if you look it up. And it's a documentary he made with like file footage that was in archives of Russia. And it follows, you know, through Russian life and culture and even governance.

• 33:01Jack Murphy?

  Follows the collapse of the Soviet Union and how traumatic that was for the Russian people to experience that. And again, it's a very eye opening documentary for me as an American. I've only come to understand that partly through that documentary and also speaking with some Russian people in the last, you know, five years, maybe about how they it wasn't just the collapse of the Soviet Union. They felt like they lost their country. They lost their future. They lost everything in kind of one fell swoop. And then the early 1990s was just like pure chaos in Russia. And none of them, none of the, none of the people in Russia want to go back to that era. That's the fear.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  The 90s.

• 33:43Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  The, yeah.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, listen, how many generations under, you know, communist rule and stuff? And that's gone, uh, over, you know, over a short period of time. I could see how that could be traumatic for a lot of people.

• 33:59Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't think we really get it as Americans, you know, I was recently in Central Asia and Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan and especially in Bishkek. You can see that, I mean, clear as day, you can see the Soviet influence, um, you know, from the hammer and sickles everywhere to statues of Marx and Engel. Um, I'm not, was there a Stalin statue? I can't remember, but I, I mean, you very much get the sense that, you know, after the Soviet Union collapsed, some of these countries didn't quite get the memo. They were Soviet socialist republics, you know, SSRs.

• 34:40Jack Murphy?

  And so it was kind of like mommy and daddy just abandoned their child at the playground, you know?

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Also feels like one of those things where it's like, uh, this is hyperbolic, but you know, like the Japanese soldier that was on the island that didn't know the war was over.

• 34:55Jack Murphy?

  Right. Yeah, yeah.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  And he's still fighting the war. His rifle's pristine and he's fighting the war for 20 years.

• 35:02Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, um, but so it's also interesting that these countries, you know, the the former USSR countries in Central Asia are kind of like trying to find their way forward and they're kind of jacked up, but not that jacked up. They're not not as bad as as some people probably think. Um, you know, you go to Kazakhstan and I mean, it's it's a Almaty is a beautiful city. Um, you can go and hang out there and you'll feel like you're in a coffee shop in Brooklyn. It's not that different. Um, so these countries are kind of finding their way forward, which is interesting. Um, but they are. They are emerging out of that Soviet legacy. I mean, as is Ukraine. I mean, we're seeing that pretty clearly.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. What did your what's your take on the uh, that Tucker Carlson uh, where's that the half of the weapons that are going to Ukraine are ending up, they're getting sold to Mexican cartels?

• 35:58Jack Murphy?

  Tucker Carlson said that?

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Oh, you didn't see this? It was a few days. It was a few days ago. It got buried, I think. That was basically, I'm paraphrasing, but that was his whole premise was that like a lot of the weapons that are Ukraines being sent are is being are being sold to Mexican cartels.

• 36:14Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  So Mexican cartels have like artillery and Bradley fighting vehicles and attack homes.

• 36:20Jack Murphy?

  Javelins.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Javelins. Yeah, yeah. They're just waiting to invade Texas.

• 36:25Jack Murphy?

  I mean, this is like a very like interesting and honestly disconcerting period of history, this sort of like post-truth era where I feel like I have to like try to be beholden to facts.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 36:38Jack Murphy?

  Other people expect me to be beholden to facts and I have to be calm and rational. But I know so many other people who feel no such obligation whatsoever, even as they hold me to that standard, they can just say anything, say anything at all, no matter how gonzo it is.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:54Jack Murphy?

  Um, you know, claims like like Tucker Carlson's saying things that are just blatantly not true.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:00Jack Murphy?

  People will look at you dead in the eyes and like, no, that's how it is.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  And I need to, I have to give it to Tucker. The reason why he gets paid the big bucks is he's very convincing. He's saying it with such conviction. And I don't know if that makes him.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Smart or like both, he's probably both like he's probably smart and also the probably the most evil person around in terms of like a propagandist, right wing kinda mouthpiece kinda guy.

• 37:30Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I I mean, well, that's the question with a lot of them like, is it cynical? Right? Do you really believe this? Or are you just saying this because it's what the audience responds to?

• 37:40Speaker 01

  He should win an Oscar if he's being cynical and he's doing this just for the audience, like red meat for the conspiracy theorists and stuff.

• 37:46Jack Murphy?

  But I think also that when you do that kind of job, and I'm not just talking about Tucker Carlson, I think like any kind of like TV pundit especially, when you do that job for a long enough time, I think you become like a caricature or a parody of yourself, you know, because you have to play it up a little bit for the camera. I mean, I guess we all do that a little bit. They really have to do it. They really have to bring it, whatever that is.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:13Jack Murphy?

  And and I think over time you can become like, you know, you start playing a character and then you become that character, right?

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Right, right. Yeah. And he just walks around as Tucker Carlson, like the TV guy or, you know, like the pundit. Yeah, I only brought it up because my friends in my group chat and God bless my friends. I love my friends. Some of them are right wingers and I love them even though they're just can be crazy sometimes. They were sending me that and and I watched it and I was like, yo, this guy is fucking good. He's good because he is so convincing. Like just that I said it before, like the conviction that he has saying it. It's like the CIA knows, the intelligence agencies know. It was incredible. And now is the thing like,

• 39:04Speaker 01

  and my friend who's not even like my friend who's more of a moderate, who's like down the middle, you know what I mean? Like just wants to be in the world, make money, take care of his family, you know what I mean? And he's not one side or the other. He's not MAGA. He's not left. He's like, yo, is this for real? And I'm like, no, bro. It's 100%. Like, you're telling me that fucking Sinaloa cartel and Juarez have fucking artillery, 155 millimeter fucking artillery shells that are pointing at something?

• 39:31Jack Murphy?

  See, I, I, yeah, I can't get too mad at a guy like that. And I understand like the information environment is so crazy now that like you can understand why people are confused.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:42Jack Murphy?

  Have these questions like what the hell is going on? What is real?

• 39:48Jack Murphy?

  And it's like, that's, it's a good question. I mean, in a, in an information environment that is this intense and there's this much misinformation and disinformation. Yeah. Like what is real?

• 40:00Jack Murphy?

  And you know, our construction of reality is, you know, based on these images and ideas in our mind. A lot of them flowing into our mind are total bullshit. So.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:11Jack Murphy?

  It brings up some unsettling questions.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that freak, that kind of freaks people. Yeah, that'll freak me out a little bit, right? Like, you know, what is? That's why we're living in the post-shree world. And it was funny because it was so perfectly cut, cut up. It was like made for like a one minute clip for Instagram and Tik Tok and we're at Twitter.

• 40:31Jack Murphy?

  Or maybe he does believe it. And I mean, that's kind of the scary thing, right? Like, I would actually be more comfortable if he's just like evil.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Me too. Honestly, me too. Yeah. The guy, this guy, yeah, this guy's just playing the role and that's okay. I get it. You know what I mean? Like, there's money in it. Going back to, we're all over the place, but going back to like the misinformation stuff and disinformation. I found a really interesting, it was a very interesting coincidence today. Two big podcasts, Joe Rogan and Sean Ryan. Both had a guest named Mike Benz. And in, in those shows, he tears apart USAID and says how like it's, it's a front for the CIA and it's something about for drug cartels or something. It was something to that effect. And they were both posted within like literally 12 hours of each other.

• 41:23Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  While this, yeah, go ahead.

• 41:25Jack Murphy?

  Well, President Trump has appeared on both of those podcasts.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:29Jack Murphy?

  So they, the administration has a line to them. They can, you know, make a phone call and.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  I mean, but that's the cra- to me, it's scary because like they they talked about themselves and a lot of other podcasts who talk about themselves as independent media, right? Like we're we're, you know, we don't, we're no, we're not kowtowing to any, any one party, one whatever. And uh, more and more, it doesn't seem like that's the case. Like, it seems like people are kind of taking their talking points and just their marching orders and just going out there and doing it. You know what I mean? Like, and running spin for what's going on.

• 42:09Jack Murphy?

  The the algorithm is determining what the truth is. And the the truth is that people want the most bombastic, alarmist thing every single day. Um, how does, how does like hard news, like just regular fact-based news even survive in an environment like that? And I, I mean, you're seeing it now, I think, you know, we, we talked about the, how ineffectual Congress is. I also think that in the last couple of weeks, we may have formally buried the American press once and for all. It's kind of been lingering and dying since about the advent of the internet that really messed them up and they haven't really figured. They, they were very late in adopting the digital era and they still struggle for all the reasons everyone already knows about.

• 42:53Jack Murphy?

  Um, but you can see that these like big legacy institutions, the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc. They still exist, they still publish, but they're also completely irrelevant.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, they've become the niche, right? Like they've become like not the mainstream, they've become like, oh yeah, I read the Times, like the New York Times.

• 43:15Jack Murphy?

  And it's, it's been like that for a while, man. Like even like 10, 15 years ago, if you took all the views that like Alex Jones was getting and stack that up compared to like the New York Times daily readership. Like, it's not even close.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, uh, point like with Sean Ryan and Joe Rogan, like that podcast, that guy Mike Benz. Those two podcasts combined will probably get upwards, close to 30 million views and listens over the next week or so. Right? No news network, no newspaper or magazine has that kind of circulation or that kind of reach.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it it's just it even like a guy like Rogan, like he used to have like everybody on, right? Like he would have all all shapes and and and sizes and shades of the rainbow on.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  More and more, it's become less that, uh, unfortunately, because I think he could do a really good job of like.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Just getting getting people on there that could talk about their ideas or whatever that are contradictory to each other and stuff like that. It's just, uh, same thing with Lex Freeman. I mean, I know this is becoming like a bot bash podcast bashathon, but like Lex Freeman may be the dumbest human being I've ever seen in my life. You just listen to him and like you really think like, is this guy really an AI researcher? Like, is he really like super smart? Because like, maybe it's the cadence of how he speaks, but he may be the most naive person I've ever I've ever listened to, and he gets great guests and

• 44:57Speaker 01

  I don't know, I just wish these guys did a better job, not of like being more combative with something they didn't agree with, but I guess just being prepared, right? Like for their

• 45:09Jack Murphy?

  I think what's really important, uh, is to have a healthy sense of skepticism about things, um, regardless of the, you know, political party or or political policy. I mean, even policies I agree with, I mean, I still think that I should be a little bit skeptical and be like, well, really? Okay, let's take a closer look at that and see if that's for real or not, or or, you know, and if something comes up in the news that I agree with, but maybe I should look a little bit deeper and see if that's actually true or not, you know?

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:40Jack Murphy?

  And I I think maybe that's what you're speaking to, that sense of skepticism is lacking.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Hundred. Yeah, I think so for sure. I mean, I try to do this.

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• 47:19Speaker 01

  Same thing, even if I'm liking what I'm hearing, like, I'm looking for like another source or like, is this for real? Like, is it bullshit? Like, I'm always kind of skeptical about it.

• 47:30Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, when it's, when it's like very like emotionally manipulative, you know, Hillary Clinton eats puppies or something like that, like, you need to start asking yourself some questions. Somebody who's targeted you, whether you know it or not.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, no question. I mean, even on the left, too. You see the left like kind of fracturing now, especially like since the loss in the election, where you see this hyper-left, and not so much politicians, because you do have the like... Social Democrat, democratic socialist folks like Bernie and AOC and them.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  There, but the outside of politics really in like the commentator world, like you see. Um, a fracture where it's like. And I think it really started with Israel Palestine, October 7th. I think that was a big, big uh hit. Because people. You have the tankies who are like, you know, American imperialism is horrible, like who like run all spin for like China and stuff. And then you have like the more moderate. Social democrats who are like. Yeah, I think Israel probably should be exist as well as a Palestinian state. And that's like. You can't have that opinion. If you have that, you're a monster. You know what I mean?

• 48:52Speaker 01

  So yeah, I think like going back to what we said, their left is in a fucking, they're in disarray.

• 48:58Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. Where, whereas the right is pretty much unified.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:03Jack Murphy?

  Pretty much.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  They're good soldiers.

• 49:04Jack Murphy?

  Solidated, unified. Um, they got big tech on their side, which they always told us was really bad and evil, but now they're on their side. I guess they're okay.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:15Jack Murphy?

  They got, you know, three branches of government. They got these corporations. I mean, Google is on their side. You know, they got Facebook, they got Twitter. I mean.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Amazon, yeah, they have everything. Yeah. I mean, and with the funny thing is they have both. Houses of Congress, they have the judicial, you know, the Supreme Court anyway.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  And if you have issues with the budget. Pass a budget bill. We're cutting stuff, right? Like go through line item by line item and actually take cuts to it rather than circumventing. What's going on with Elon Musk? I think that's the biggest beef. People have with that. I that's what I have with that, right?

• 49:59Jack Murphy?

  But I mean, it's this is the plan, right? I mean, they're trying to basically roll back the New Deal. Uh, you know, the whole like New Deal, America, they're trying to go back in time to, you know, like the 1890s or so, and bring back the era of robber barons where you have like these railroad magnets who like just own America. They're trying to bring back that era. Um, and that's sort of like techno fascism.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:26Jack Murphy?

  I mean, that's good for them. It's good politics for them. I don't doubt that. But for the country, for the vast, you know, the 99% of the people who live here, it's not going to be good for you.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  No, no. Also, I'd love to see where they could cut, right? Like, because I'm down. I'm sure there's a ton of departments.

• 50:44Jack Murphy?

  That too. I I I consider myself to be like a small government guy. Like another in another era, another time, I would have been like a Ronald Reagan Republican.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:53Jack Murphy?

  Um, it's just because of the times that we're in that I'm really not.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:58Jack Murphy?

  Um, but yeah, I I have I have no issue with like reviewing the agencies and institutions of government, making sure that they're spending their money, the taxpayers' money correctly. I think that's completely legit.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's completely fair, right? Like, because you know, our taxes get taken out.

• 51:17Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  And we want to know where the money goes, like myself included, right? Um, and I'm sure you could dig into most departments and find waste and like, I I just wish politicians, and this is like wishful thinking, but I wish politicians went into it with a little bit more good faith. You know what I mean? Like, going in there trying to make changes that are benefit actually beneficial for people. I mean, it's totally wishful thinking. I'm a child.

• 51:46Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, um.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  It's okay, you can admit it.

• 51:50Jack Murphy?

  There's, yeah, I I mean, the problem is like, you know, when you you're dealing with a populist, you're basically just telling the public whatever they find emotionally satisfying on a day to day basis.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:03Jack Murphy?

  That's quite difficult, I think.

• 52:07Jack Murphy?

  You know what? What you need is another bad word is elitism.

• 52:13Jack Murphy?

  So we used to have elites that felt that they knew what was best for us and sometimes they were wrong, but there used to be political leaders who would do that and they would force, not force, but through the, through the systems of governance institute policy changes. And today we have politicians that are more interested on getting their Fox News hit in.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:36Jack Murphy?

  That is the main effort. The media spectacle is the main effort. Your social security, the deficit, Ukraine, none of that shit is the main effort. None of that matters. It's the spectacle that's important.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Yikes. Yeah. Getting the, getting the,

• 52:56Speaker 01

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• 53:01Jack Murphy?

  Yep.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  We're fucked. I get it. It's fine.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  I don't know where, how this got to this. We're supposed to talk about Ukraine. I mean, I guess we did so. But it's fine. People are freaking out in the comments and that's fine. Freak out.

• 53:15Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. I mean, if you gotta freak out, freak out and, and you know, we'll talk later on. It's fine.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 54:03Speaker 01

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• 54:08Speaker 01

  Best way to support the show is patreon.com slash the team house. Get two podcasts for the price of one, $5 member. You get ad free audio and video. You can ask questions without doing super chats on YouTube. And you get early access. You can watch the shows live. Now the team house shows live. $10 member, you get a patch sent to you in the mail. When you become a $10 member, you just DM us on Patreon with your address and I will get it to you.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  And the $100 member. We'll talk about that when you become a hundred dollar member, but what you get there that we can't, we will get demonetized if we say what we do for the hundred dollar members.

• 54:51Jack Murphy?

  Really?

• 54:52Speaker 01

  No, you get a zoom call if you want a zoom call with the guys. That's the hundred dollar plus all the other perks.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  No, I was gonna say something sexual. Jack shows.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  And that's it.

• 55:05Jack Murphy?

  You gotta find me on only fans for that.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  Jack, anything else you want to plug? High side, the high side, of course.

• 55:12Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we're writing, uh, national security journalism that we publish on the high side. And, um, otherwise I'm actually hard at work on a new book project that I can't really talk about yet. But this, it's a novel, um, that I've been hired to write, so I'm, I'm having a lot of fun with it.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Jack's doing the damn thing. Author and journalist. That's great. Thehighside.com. I'm gonna throw that link in the description as well. You and Sean Naylor, of course, and we're looking forward to that book. That's all I got. Thanks, Shaq.

• 55:45Jack Murphy?

  Yes, see you guys next time.

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