Fraud Friday: Rent-A-Hitman Dot Con w/ Jamie Lee

Jamie Lee (Ted Lasso) joins the CONgregation to discuss an IT help website that accidentally turns into the go-to URL for people seeking murder for hire. Plus, a 50-year-old man tricks twitter followers using FaceApp! Stay schemin'! (Originally Released 04/05/2021) Signed copies of Laci's book are back in stock on Podswag: https://www.podswag.com/collections/scam-goddess/products/signed-scam-goddess-lessons-from-a-life-of-cons-grifts-and-schemes Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Jamie Lee: @reallyjamielee Research by Sharilyn Vera. SOURCES: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/rent-a-hitman-wendy-wein-murder-for-hire-sting-operation-1066756/ https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/it-expert-bob-innes-rent-a-hitman-murder-13086065.php https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5966845/DIY-detective-snared-string-killers.html https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g88m/viral-japanese-biker-transformation-woman-faceapp https://twitter.com/Kai_97R/status/1360039242882187264?

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• 1:30Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right. Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:11Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin' congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of Yes, You Know It Scam Goddess. And guys, I'm very, what? Yes, excited. You know, I'm gonna have to switch this up. It's been like a year and a half. Are y'all tired of me? Probably. But guys, I am super excited because we have a poppin' guest today. She's a comedian. You know her from things like Girl Code Crashing, but also she was in the room in Ted Lasso, girl, writing them jokes up. And it was very cute. And guys, she has a new show coming out on Netflix, April 7th, guys, called The Wedding Coach, and you all need to get into this show. I'm really excited to watch it. Um, guys, we have Jamie Lee.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  Hi.

• 2:52Laci Mosley?

  Hi, Jamie. I'm so happy to have you.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  I'm so happy to be here.

• 2:57Laci Mosley?

  Can I talk a little bit? Hold on. This background that you have, is that wallpaper? Or did you paint that?

• 3:01Speaker 04

  Okay, so I think it's...

• 3:04Laci Mosley?

  Not the sign.

• 3:04Speaker 04

  No, I mean, deepest sigh. Okay, because I am so not a decorator, and I'm staying in this, um, like, fully furnished corporate housing apartment right now in New York. And so they did this wall. And for the listeners, it's like gray and white striped. And it's just very, a very deliberate accent wall. And it's like the coolest Zoom background I could ever think of because I, I just don't, I'm not a good decorator. So I'm like, oh, this makes people think that I have my shit together. It's great.

• 3:36Laci Mosley?

  I love it. Yes, it's popping. I'm not a good decorator either. I went to Tarjay and, uh, Marshallay and quickly threw together a Zoom background because I was like, oh, it's been a year. I can't just pod from my couch anymore.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  I know. Now you have to like, think about what's behind you. You have to think about the frame. It's, it's overwhelming.

• 3:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's too much, honestly. Like, for any actors out there, this shit is a damn scam. Before, when I was auditioning for shit, they were like, uh, sending me like 14 pages, five different scenes and shit. I was like, so you want me to shoot the TV show? Like, come on now?

• 4:10Speaker 04

  In my apartment? Okay.

• 4:11Laci Mosley?

  In your apartment. Can you, yeah.

• 4:13Speaker 04

  Apparently, I'm an actor and a producer and a director.

• 4:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. And they're so specific too. They're like, okay, we want to see this part of your body. Make sure the walls is turned the camera that way. I'm like, uh-uh.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  You're like, you, yeah, you're like, thank you, but I'm pretty sure like I didn't even get the job yet. So I'm just like, working for free. This is insane. I'm not your intern.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I've had people be like, so do you have any roommates who are actors? And I'm like, no, I live alone. You want me to hire people now?

• 4:39Speaker 04

  Yes. They're like, can you do the casting for us? We're, we're tapped out. We don't have anyone left.

• 4:44Laci Mosley?

  Would you mind, uh, just to see who's around? Go in the hallway and find us some people.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. You're like, I don't work for you.

• 4:53Laci Mosley?

  Jamie, do you have any relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? What, what's your vibe?

• 4:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, um, I do. I'm anti-scam, uh, hot take, but, um,

• 5:03Laci Mosley?

  I like that. I like that.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm anti-getting scammed. I probably, I probably am like in a weird sort of masochistic way, pro scam. Like, it's interesting to me, um, hence loving this podcast. But I, I was scammed. Um, I, I was on, on the receiving end of a, a classic Craigslist scam.

• 5:22Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  Where, yeah, I mean, that's the OG. Um, yeah, I basically, okay, so I, it's, this is a very, I sound like this is going to be a very long story. It's actually quite short. I had an apartment on the Upper East Side with roommates when I was in my twenties. And, um, there were just like a couple of things that were going on in the apartment that were super weird. Like, one day, the toilet seat was up in our downstairs bathroom with like pee in it. And like, there were no men who lived in the apartment. And it was just like three girls. And we're like, what, what is that from? And like, no one had a boyfriend over. Like, we were all just like, why is the toilet seat up? And yeah, and we were just kind of like weirded up by that. And then there was another day where like, my roommate's towel was like balled up and soaking wet in the corner of the bathroom. And she was like, did you do that?

• 6:06Speaker 04

  And I was like, no. And then the other roommate was like, of course not. No one's like throwing your towel on the ground. And so we thought we had a ghost. And so as kind of as a bit,

• 6:15Laci Mosley?

  We went to ghosts?

• 6:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, we thought we had a ghost and like, almost like, kind of a bit with each other, but not. We found this person on Craigslist who, um, claimed to Like come to your house and it was like a ghost hunter show and they were looking for people to be on it. And I applied and they were like, we're coming over. So we, so we ended up having this person say like, yeah, we're, we want to like have you on our reality show and we're going to come to your house and, and like film you and, and talk about the ghost and like do a whole assessment, like, like a ghostbuster.

• 6:48Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  And the strange thing was I, they, I don't know what they were getting out of the scam because they just kept standing us up. So we would be waiting for them to come over and they're supposed to come over like 6pm and then, 6:30, 7, 8 would roll around and they just weren't showing up. And so then we would email them and we're like, hey, what ended up happening? They're like, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. We're coming tomorrow night. And they just kept not showing up and we kept falling for it. And that is-

• 7:13Laci Mosley?

  Did they take money from you?

• 7:15Speaker 04

  No, nothing. I was like, what is this? You're like pretending to be a ghostbuster, but you're not gaining anything, but just like, like kind of fucking with people's time? I don't understand what you're getting out of this. But anyways, I felt very scammed.

• 7:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. Maybe it was kids, you know, and they were just having a fun trolling or something.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  Maybe. The emails were quite sophisticated. Like they knew sort of like the ins and outs of production to a degree. So I was like, okay, like this sounds like, maybe it's for a TLC show or like whatever other channel was doing reality back then. So yeah, anyways, I don't know what ended up happening, but it was-

• 7:53Laci Mosley?

  That's so funny to me. I wish they would have showed up literally with like no cameras, just doing that like director thing with their hand. Now stand over there next to the wall. It's just like a long troll.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  You're like face the corner. You're like, oh no, it's Blair Witch. Um, yeah. So, yeah.

• 8:10Laci Mosley?

  I want to know why they were doing this. This is so unfinished to me. I wish that they had come or at least tried to, you know, spray something. I would have come. I feel like ghost extermination is such a great profession. How you gonna tell me I get rid of the ghosts? How you don't know, you know?

• 8:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, you don't know. It's actually, yeah, you're right. And you could totally be like, I, I, I purged your house of the spirit. Like you owe me $200. And I'd be like, Well, I can't really contest that. I mean, I guess if like the pee doesn't show up in the toilet with the seat up, that means the ghost is gone. Like, I don't know. It was just that whole apartment was kind of cursed. I also fell down the stairs at one point. And yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 8:50Laci Mosley?

  It's funny because psychics like to do that, too. But they'll like that you have a curse on you and it's gonna cost $500 to lift it. And if you don't lift it, then your mama gonna die. So guys, let's let's get into our first segment. What's hot and fraud? I love this dog. Jamie's got a big dog in the background. What kind of is a labradoodle?

• 9:09Speaker 04

  There's two. There's a labradoodle and then this like schnauzer poodle mix that we rescued from China.

• 9:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh, from China?

• 9:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, right before the pandemic. He survived two pandemics.

• 9:20Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  He's incredible. Yeah.

• 9:22Laci Mosley?

  We love.

• 9:22Speaker 04

  But they're very noisy. Yeah, he's a survivor. Yeah.

• 9:26Laci Mosley?

  So guys, let's get to our first segment. What's hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the street. As always, you can email [email protected]. Just don't snitch on your friends and family before the scam is retired. We don't want to fuck up your bag. But guys, today, oh, Jamie, I need a fake name. We don't care about gender on here.

• 9:43Speaker 04

  Ooh, okay. Um, Danica.

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  Danica. Okay, so Danica says, I was scammed and rightfully so. This is what optimism gets you when you're trying to buy psychedelics on Instagram. Okay.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  Ooh, hey, my dogs barked at that. They're like, we're listening.

• 10:01Laci Mosley?

  Psychedelics. So I've been going to therapy and my therapist recommended I look into microdosing. Wow, I've never had a therapist.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Me neither.

• 10:12Laci Mosley?

  I've never had a therapist be like, and how does that make you feel? Okay, okay. Have you tried shrooms?

• 10:17Speaker 04

  Right. Have you tried staring at the wall and envisioning a portal?

• 10:22Laci Mosley?

  Right. Because I think that could really help with your self-esteem issue.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. Wow. I mean, I guess I have heard of microdosing being a thing people are doing, obviously. But I, yeah, I've never heard of a therapist prescribing it in that way. That's that is new to me. Yeah.

• 10:39Laci Mosley?

  Like, I'm like, is your therapist also a scam? Because I don't know, I've just never had someone be like, you know, these issues with your father, they're really, they're really making me think of LSD. Like, I really.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  Right. Have you tried tripping? You're like, wait, what?

• 10:53Laci Mosley?

  Have you tried crack? Okay. I know they say it's whack, but honestly, in moderation, crack is a very energizing.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, they're like, actually, crack has gotten a really bad reputation, but there are a lot of things you can do with it besides lose your home and your family.

• 11:08Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  Cool, cool. Okay.

• 11:11Laci Mosley?

  Just don't get out of control. A little crack every Tuesday.

• 11:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:15Laci Mosley?

  That didn't ever hurt nobody.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, no big deal. No big deal.

• 11:19Laci Mosley?

  MBD. So, um, Danica's listening to her therapist. She thought, um, the therapist said, I thought that you would like shrooms. Um, but Danica said that they're pretty hard to find, so I'm gonna have to try to figure it out. So Danica decides to look on the gram. She says, I have plenty of pleasant interactions and made plenty of legitimate purchases, so this can't be much different, buying some mushrooms. So after little to no research, I found a now deleted account that, or maybe it blocked me, called Silo Delic.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  Wait, can I say one thing?

• 11:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 11:51Speaker 04

  Really quick, I was thinking about this therapist. Sorry, I'm not, I can't get past this. If you are a therapist recommending mushrooms to your clients, you better have a guy who you're like, call James, you know?

• 12:03Laci Mosley?

  That's a good point, Jamie. Why you gonna send me on a wild goose chase?

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Exactly. I, that, that is, I was just so stressed as you were talking about this. I'm like, wait, why didn't he help her find them? Like, doesn't he know someone?

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  You are right about that. You're the therapist. If you're prescribing, you can't give me a script or at least a alley to go to?

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. Exa- make a connection, introduce over email, like, something.

• 12:28Laci Mosley?

  A formal introduction from your therapist to their drug dealer. Yeah, something. Yeah, it's wild to make somebody go out and hunt for themselves to find mushrooms. You know what I mean?

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, loop us in. Loop us in.

• 12:39Laci Mosley?

  At least point them to a neighborhood. Like, they got a lot of silver, like, you're right. You're right about that. So Silo Delic is the name of the Instagram site, and it's spelled... P S I L O dot D E L I C allegedly they maybe sell mushrooms let's see but I don't know if the pages they don't know if it blocked them or if they deleted the page so it says I messaged them and they wanted to sell me ten bags of shroom gummies I talked them down to two for a hundred thirty dollars they talked me back up to five total spent three hundred twenty five dollars

• 13:11Speaker 04

  Okay

• 13:12Laci Mosley?

  Right after the people at the agency in quotes said they don't deal in small quantities so fuck it I've come this far I'm in right you got a fake prescription from your therapist fine so it says I sent all this money through Cash App oop that's a big scam app guys

• 13:26Speaker 04

  Okay

• 13:27Laci Mosley?

  Cash App is for crime when it's crime time Cash App

• 13:32Laci Mosley?

  I hope to have an ad one day it's just me like when it's crime time

• 13:37Laci Mosley?

  Police on your back Cash App you know um I got it

• 13:42Speaker 04

  I don't know much about Cash App but yeah this whole this whole thing is stressing me out okay keep going

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  So it says then the person tells me they need another hundred fifty dollars for insurance but it's fully refundable they say insurance for what

• 13:55Speaker 04

  I'm sorry drug insurance what are we talking about

• 13:58Laci Mosley?

  That's like drug receipts I've never got bought some illegal drugs and somebody was like thank you come again here's your receipt

• 14:03Speaker 04

  The whole point is like there's no trail like well what are we yeah I don't even understand that

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  Right

• 14:09Speaker 04

  What are you insuring that it like works

• 14:12Laci Mosley?

  Right or are you gonna insure the package because I'm pretty sure you can't call USPS and be like somebody lost my box of shrooms and it's worth

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah it sounds like they're making an under the table deal very over the table and I don't see how that's good for either party

• 14:26Laci Mosley?

  Right it's a little weird so uh they say it's fully refundable which honey okay so whatever I bite at this point Dan because like I'm down the rabbit hole I'm gonna get these shrooms gummies

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Yeah

• 14:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah The goods should arrive in twenty four hours they say ten minutes later I get another message asking for one more thing they asked me

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  One more thing one more thing since you already gave us the insurance money um I need fifty dollars for gas

• 14:55Speaker 04

  Okay okay wow okay

• 15:00Laci Mosley?

  Gas is high gas is high but I am confusion because is this gas like you need to drive out to the woods to pick the shrooms or this is gas to go to the post office or are you gonna drive the shrooms to me I am confusion also you got a hundred fifty dollar deposit you can't use the deposit to get the gas

• 15:16Speaker 04

  Yeah what was the deposit for And then also, it's like, if this is really how you like, let's just like, give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is how they do business. Like, you should just be really clear in what the money is for. Like, I need this for this. I need fifty dollars for this. You should just say it all upfront and like, you'll sound way more legit.

• 15:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. Also, drugs are never something that are prepaid. Like, you may

• 15:38Speaker 04

  Definitely not.

• 15:39Laci Mosley?

  On a phone, you can prepay, you know, when you're

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Right. This isn't like your rent. Like, what are we, yeah, you're not, this is not like you and your landlord with like, a deposit. Like, you'll get this back at the end of the year. Like, what are we talking about?

• 15:51Laci Mosley?

  What are you talking about? I don't need, like, yeah, you're absolutely right about that. Like, what, in what case would I not get the deposit back? Is my question. Like, what would I have to do for them to be like, well, we gotta keep your deposit on the drugs? What?

• 16:05Speaker 04

  But also, the whole point of getting, like, of dealing with a drug dealer is like, they just like, give you the stuff. Like, there are no strings. Like, the whole point is you're signing up for no strings. And now this person seems to have a lot of strings. I don't know. I just, yeah, I don't

• 16:21Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, I gotta send in a rebate? I hate a rebate. Rebates are scams. They'd be like, if you mail this, it's like, I don't have enough time to mail this. And they know that.

• 16:28Speaker 04

  I don't want to do stamps. No.

• 16:30Laci Mosley?

  Drug rebates, this is a lot. I, I, I watch The Wire. I'm supposed to come to the corner. We do a handshake. I got the money. You got the drugs. We handshake. I leave.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's quick and dirty. Like, let's just do it and get out.

• 16:43Laci Mosley?

  But I believe, you know, Instagram has, because it's become this marketplace and they sell so many things, I think people have become really comfortable Sure. Purchasing things on Instagram.

• 16:51Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 16:51Laci Mosley?

  Now they have a whole purchase button on there where it's like, go here, buy.

• 16:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. The little like, purse icon that they send to you, like, yeah, they're like, you can have friends and new clothes. You're like, okay, thanks for caring.

• 17:05Laci Mosley?

  Amazon. This is a lot.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:07Laci Mosley?

  I don't need this from you. So, this is when I realized, Danica said, that I had been scammed. Okay, baby, it was a little late. Like, now, I would have probably realized that the deposit, you know, area, the two have been scammed, but, okay. So despite the person repeatedly assuring me that they were legit, a world where you cannot trust drug dealers on Instagram is not a world I want to live in.

• 17:30Laci Mosley?

  Amen. Amen. I don't want to live in that either, Danica. I'm so sorry that that happened to you. They should have gave you the drugs. Or at least give you your deposit back. We're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements. We'll be right back with Historic Hoodwinks.

• 17:46Laci Mosley?

  Scam!

• 17:49Speaker 00

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription-maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Common colds, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, blue or fluke-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

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• 19:20Laci Mosley?

  Con!

• 19:22Laci Mosley?

  And we are back, and it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwinks. This is when I will regale Jamie with a famous con caper, con artiste, group of criminals. Who knows? Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. We'll see, and we'll get her opinions all throughout. So today, we're talking about Bob Ennis of Northern California. Whoop-whoop, shout out to Cali. Who runs a website called rentahitman.com.

• 19:48Laci Mosley?

  I love this Jamie because you already told the story of like going on Craigslist to try to find the Ghostbusters. And unfortunately Leslie Jones did not pull up to your place and eradicate what is surely a male ghost. Uh, cause they're leaving the toilet seat up and the towel wet and shit.

• 20:04Speaker 04

  Right, even, even, even as, as vapor, he still has to put the, at least he's a considerate ghost. I mean, that was really the takeaway. At least he cares. Anyways.

• 20:12Laci Mosley?

  But my thing is, is like, I don't think men should even be allowed to be ghosts. Y'all haunt us enough when y'all alive. Like y'all don't get to haunt us when you're dead. Y'all got to go away. Like what?

• 20:21Speaker 04

  You guys ghost us when you're alive and then you keep ghosting us when you're dead.

• 20:25Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like you've, you've done enough ghosting while you were here. We don't need that. Casper was the only male ghost I fucked with. And even him after a while, I was like, Casper, go home. Like.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  He was needy.

• 20:36Laci Mosley?

  He was needy as fuck. He was like, let me go to the dance with you, girl. No. So I can dance with Erin, look crazy. Like, get out of here, Casper. He was clingy as fuck. Show up like regular ghosts at night and, and do the ooh boo and get out. Like.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  Right. Sheet, sheet over the head with the eye holes. Like just keep it classic ghosts.

• 20:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. We don't need this. Like you want to go to events now ghosts? Like come on now. I gotta get a plus one for your ghost ass? No. So rentahitman.com, which is a very straightforward URL and I appreciate that.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, at least they get straight to it. Yeah, I do too. I do too. There's really, there's nothing left to, to, left, left to the imagination there. So that's good.

• 21:12Laci Mosley?

  Number one on Google, you know, I put in hitman, rent a hitman's right there.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 21:17Laci Mosley?

  And I love that it's rent a hitman. Like you can't buy one, but you can rent one for a few hours.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, on lease.

• 21:25Laci Mosley?

  So he started it with a college friend in 2005 as an IT help site, but it quickly took on a life of its own. The rent a hitman site became an accidental murder for hire sting operation. Okay. I don't know if it was accidental. You did call it basically like murder yo' enemies.com like.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's not, that's not really a business you fall into.

• 21:45Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I feel like you either initiate it or it doesn't happen.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  It's not like, oops, I'm a hitman.

• 21:55Laci Mosley?

  Oops, I'm a hitman. That's where I went, my brain. Free Britney. So how it started, it started with an IT help website and a cheeky domain name. So they thought they were being funny with rentahitman.com, which I don't. This man Bob has to be white because no black person would ever think it was funny to name a website URL.

• 22:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. I love him defending it. He's like, it's not like funny, ha ha. It's like, no, man, it's just, it's just not funny.

• 22:24Laci Mosley?

  Right. You, you made a website called murder your wife.com and then was like, oh my God, people keep coming over here talking about they want their wife murdered. It's so bizarre.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. You're like, women get killed by their spouses all the time. He's like, I didn't know that. Yeah.

• 22:37Laci Mosley?

  So rent implied hire and hit refers to website clicks or visitor traffic and analytics. And man implied the team of professionals behind the site, a few buddies who'd recently graduated from a California business school with IT degrees. I love how they defined the whole name. They're like rent was just like us being like, we gonna help y'all out. It's a service. And then hit is like clicks on a website. It's like, we were supposed to do all that math?

• 23:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:07Laci Mosley?

  No, nobody's thinking about that. So Bob registered a domain in 2005 with the tagline, your point and click solution. That still sounds like a hitman to me. You point the gun, you click the trigger.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  Yup, yup, yup.

• 23:22Laci Mosley?

  He's like, no, no, no, we're talking about a mouse. I'm like, I don't know. This is America. Seems like you're talking about a gun.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it sounds, sounds a little gunny to me.

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  Right. So the website also says, got a problem that needs solving? Question mark. With over seventeen thousand nine hundred eighty-five US-based field operatives. We can find a solution that's right for you. So you just said you had seventeen thousand murderers. To me, I don't.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:45Laci Mosley?

  Field operatives.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:48Laci Mosley?

  That's also hell of a, like, you could have said IT technicians at that point. You already got run a hitman as your domain, like.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yeah, he's, oh, this is, yeah.

• 23:58Laci Mosley?

  It sounds like murder to me.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, it sounds very much so like murder.

• 24:03Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so it sat on the website collecting dust until Bob decided to check the website's email address one day in 2008. Bob said, this is when things got really ugly. Over the three years, the website sat idle. The domain received multiple inquiries from people looking to hire hitmen. And not the kind that get your website clicks, duh.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, okay.

• 24:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't understand what's, they was like crime.com. And then they were like, oh, my God, people keep coming here to do crime. It's so bizarre. Like, what do they think we do?

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Guys, this is exactly what was gonna happen. Everything is exactly as it should be.

• 24:38Laci Mosley?

  Right. So Bob said, for clarification, I am not a hitman. Yeah, you really did need to clear that up, cuz right now, Bob, I thought you was a hitman.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  I'm thinking you are.

• 24:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so it says, I simply play the part of a matchmaker between the solicitor and field operatives. Still sounds like you might be coordinating hits.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Yeah.

• 25:00Laci Mosley?

  So using the alias Guido Finelli, Bob responded to the.

• 25:07Laci Mosley?

  Guido Finelli? Bob, you a murderer. I don't like none of this. Guido Finelli.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  That is so, yeah, it sounds so mobster, like, everything is just very hitman.

• 25:19Laci Mosley?

  How is this man trying to play anything?

• 25:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, you sound like a soprano, and they killed lots of people.

• 25:23Laci Mosley?

  Under the alias Scarface, and under the email, say hello to my little friend, like, what?

• 25:31Laci Mosley?

  Bob, you a criminal. So Bob responded to the.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  I feel like he's definitely, like, decapitated some horses and put them in the bed.

• 25:37Laci Mosley?

  Right, but that's a very chill intimidation.

• 25:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, subtle, subtle.

• 25:43Laci Mosley?

  Subtle intimidation, you know, a little horse head here and there, ain't nothing wrong with that, ain't never hurt nobody.

• 25:49Laci Mosley?

  So Bob will respond to these requests furthering details so a field operative in quotes could be assigned to case. The clients. The first hit was from a woman by the name of Helen. She was out of the UK but stranded in Canada. She written a long letter, rambling emails, saying how she was screwed out of her father's inheritance by three family members. She had no money and no place to live. She was stranded in Canada without a passport, so she can't even leave. She wanted retaliation against her aunt, uncle, and one other family member and provided a physical address. Okay, so here's my thing. You ain't got no money Helen. You ain't got no passport honey, but you got coins for murder? Cause last time I checked murder was not free. I don't heard of pro bono murder.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  Like, no, there is not. That's not how it works. And what I know about murder, that's not usually what happens.

• 26:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. I don't even think you can barter for murder. It's like, look, I have a-

• 26:38Speaker 04

  No, you can't.

• 26:39Laci Mosley?

  I have a peach tree. So if y'all want these peaches in exchange for murdering my three relatives, like I don't think you can do a bartering system like, honey, you need money. So Bob said, "When I first received the email, I was helping my brother move from LA back up here to the Bay Area, so I was loading a U-Haul truck full of his belongings." I didn't really take time to read the email in depth. I just thought it was a troubled person and really didn't give it much thought. Um, Bob, hmm. She says she wanted you to murder her uncle, her aunt. You know what's funny is like she got cut out of the inheritance. She's not gonna get the inheritance, it looks like, even if they die, but she's like, I need revenge?

• 27:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor Helen.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  Poor Helen. TV revenge always makes me laugh though, cause like, what do you really get out of revenge? Nothing.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, it feels maybe great for five seconds and then the rest of your life, you're the person who got revenge and you're gonna go to jail.

• 27:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. So then she sends a second email titled Urgent.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  Hmm, okay, SOS.

• 27:39Laci Mosley?

  Right. I need these people killed ASAP.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  ASAP.

• 27:43Laci Mosley?

  And the subject line with more detail and more corroborating information. And I responded to the email, this is Bob talking, and asked two simple questions. Do you still require services? And would you like me to put you in contact with the field operatives? Okay, so you're being hella vague as well. I would still think that Bob is- Bob, what's your angle?

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, what is it? I need to know. It's so confusing.

• 28:09Laci Mosley?

  So I'm confused. So in quotes, Bob says, I knew just reading her first email that this is a person who wanted to have these people murdered. There was no doubt in my mind that that was her intent. She responded back and said, yes, I'm staying at this hostel in Canada. I have all these thoughts going through my head. What am I getting myself into Helen? You know, this is, this lady is serious. I need to go home and start Googling and researching this. So this is also Bob talking. He's like, what am I getting myself into? This lady really wants murder to happen. I need to go home and start Googling and research. Do you need to Google? I feel like you could just be like, no, we don't do murders.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks for your inquiry, but that's not what we do.

• 28:48Laci Mosley?

  Hey, yeah, we

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Like, just shut it down, Bob. Just shut it down.

• 28:52Laci Mosley?

  Bob, like Bob is a scammer. So Bob says, I did just that when I got home. I started printing out about 20 pages of details, names, addresses and Google satellite images and all the information was corroborated. That's when I went to the local police department and spoke with a friend of mine who at the time was a sergeant. He reached out and contacted the police department that had jurisdiction. They did a welfare check on the person to make sure that she was okay. And during the course of their investigation, they found out that she wanted out of the UK on extradition warrants for serious charges. So basically she, they did a welfare check on her in Canada and found out that the UK was like, hey, can you actually bring Helen back here? Can y'all drop her off? Cause we need to put her in the clink.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:31Laci Mosley?

  Which makes sense. Helen seems like a criminal.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, also like staying at a hostel in Canada, like that just sounds, that sounds suspicious. Yeah, she doesn't, cause it's one thing if you're, you're in a hostel, cause you're like backpacking, you know, after college. But then I feel like any other reason to be at a hostel is just shady.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  Right. And she's fully there on some shady shit because she was like, I'm trying to murder my relatives.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:56Laci Mosley?

  Which is a lot, especially because like, okay, you already didn't get inheritance. So now you gotta come out of pocket on they murders as well? Like, that's a lot.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, yeah. Um, yeah, it's bad. It's bad, bad, Helen.

• 30:10Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, I just don't want to be indebted. Like, I don't want to go on Experian.com and they're like, girl, you never paid for these murders and now it's done hit your credit, so.

• 30:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the thing. It's like the revenge element. It's such a huge cost.

• 30:24Laci Mosley?

  Sequoia Financial is calling about these overdue murder bills that she needs to pay. Like, girl.

• 30:33Laci Mosley?

  In 2020, a 51-year-old woman from Michigan named Wendy Wine sent an email to Bob believing he was Guido Finelli. Wendy indeed had a problem that needed resolving. She recommended, or she recounted in her email to Finelli. There was a man who had ripped her off for $20,000, her ex-husband, as authorities later discovered. And she wanted him taken care of. Her email said, "I prefer not going to jail. Thanks for your time."

• 30:57Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 30:58Laci Mosley?

  I think we all prefer not going to jail, Wendy.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, little, little, little thing, little quirk about me and my personality. I hate jail.

• 31:06Laci Mosley?

  It's so weird, but I'm just like, not a jail person. Like, I know it's for some.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  I'm the type of person who doesn't love being behind bars. That's just me. That's just a me thing.

• 31:14Laci Mosley?

  Like, some people, I get it, but like, for me, it's just like, ugh, you know what I mean?

• 31:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I'm weird like that. It just doesn't gel with me. But for other people, great. Great for you.

• 31:23Laci Mosley?

  Right. So had Wendy been paying attention, she would have noticed a few red flags that the site was not real. For example, website's HIPAA compliance badge is on the site. HIPAA is known as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. It outlaws the lawful use and disclosure of protected health information. But the website actually says H-I-P-P-A stands for Hitman Information, Privacy, and Protection of 1964. So if she had known anything about laws, she would have known there's no Hitman Protection Act.

• 31:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  The government was never like, "When you ask for a hitman, that's between you and your hitman, okay?"

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, there's, that is the craziest shit I've ever heard. Yeah.

• 32:01Laci Mosley?

  If you have pre-existing conditions for wanting a murder, that's between you and your hitman, okay? They cannot disclose that. Yeah, she should have known. So, that's not a real thing, obviously. The website also offered group and senior discounts.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  Wow, the early bird special.

• 32:21Laci Mosley?

  If you're trying to kill somebody old, you should get a discount, though. They're not moving this fast. That's an easier murder.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're like, "We kill them between 4:00 and 6:00 PM, the same, the same time Luby's has their happy hour," or whatever. Their old person happy hour.

• 32:37Laci Mosley?

  Right after they left the Luby's buffet, we got their ass. They still had Jell-O on their lips.

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  The green kind. So Bob said, I really didn't think that people were gonna be that stupid. Boy, did they show me. As soon as I reached out to Bob, he alerted the authorities who placed her under arrest. She was charged with solicitation to commit murder and illegal use of a computer to commit a crime and is currently awaiting trial. Wow.

• 33:02Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 33:04Laci Mosley?

  Guys, if you wanna do crime, if you really feel like it's crime time, Google is not your friend for this. Don't Google hitman. You gotta just have friends.

• 33:13Speaker 04

  Your computer at all. That should just be word of mouth like that.

• 33:17Laci Mosley?

  It's a paper trail.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Yes, up. Yeah, you cannot. Yeah, yeah. If yeah, there's no, there's, if you do anything on the internet related to your hit, like it will be found. Just a hot tip.

• 33:27Laci Mosley?

  Right. Just a little secret, guys. Lean in close. If you wanna get a hitman, don't Google it.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  No, you can't involve Google.

• 33:36Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like, also, like, you probably just gotta do the hit yourself.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I feel like you just have to take this one into your own hands. If you really, like, there's just, yeah, you can't outsource your murder, is I think the moral of the story. Like, if you're gonna murder, you just have to suck it up and murder. But I really, but I really hope you just don't murder. But if you really must, I feel like you have to do it.

• 33:57Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like, you can't farm this out. And also, like, murder, not that tight, guys. Like, not that cool.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  No, it's kind of bad. Yeah, guys, it's, we have another hot take. We are not pro, we're actually, we're actually against murder.

• 34:10Laci Mosley?

  Anti-murder.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  We hate jail and we hate murder, but that's just like a little quirk about us.

• 34:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's just like, we're kinda weird like that, guys. Um, so I, you know, don't Google murder. So today, Bob keeps a spreadsheet of the requests that he's received, about 350 requests on that spreadsheet. Not all of them are murder for hire. Some of them are just people looking for assisted suicide options. Some of them are clearly hoaxes where they're trying to prank their friend, and some of them are for people who are seeking employment as a hitman.

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't, what does that mean? Seeking employment?

• 34:44Laci Mosley?

  I went on indeed.com and I was like, uh, I'm a hitman looking for work. Um, here's my cover letter. Um, I'm very proficient in murders. Um, I have great attention to detail, so said murders will not be discovered. Uh, like, what's a good resume for a hitman?

• 35:02Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah, it's, yeah, exactly. I don't understand, I don't understand the employment part.

• 35:06Laci Mosley?

  I'm unremarkable. Nobody ever remembers what I look like. They're trying to be a hitman that you can rent.

• 35:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, they are.

• 35:14Laci Mosley?

  I'm confusion. And so basically out of 350 people, about 10% of these people are from, or these emails are from people who want to cause harm to someone else. That's actually pretty low for rentahitman.com. And of those 10%, Bob asked the same two questions he always does. Do you still require our services?, question mark. And would you like me to place you in contact with a field operative? He, if he never hears back for them, he assumes that they figured it out. The website is still up and available. Can we click on the rentahitman.com website? I just want to see.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Oh, I gotta see.

• 35:46Laci Mosley?

  What's happening here? So we're about to look at.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  Oh, man, so pumped.

• 35:50Laci Mosley?

  I am so, my body is ready. Cause I'm just like, how do these people not know? Okay, so.

• 35:56Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 35:58Laci Mosley?

  They got a cookie policy. It says, your privacy is important to us. In order to maintain 100% compliance with HIPAA, Hitman Information Privacy and Protection Act of 1964, we must use. So it says, accept and close. Don't accept that.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  No, don't accept, don't accept.

• 36:14Laci Mosley?

  You gonna have affairs knocking at our door like.

• 36:18Laci Mosley?

  Hello? You need a hitman?

• 36:21Speaker 04

  This is a very, very like lo-fi, basic website, and I'm not surprised.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  It definitely is.

• 36:27Speaker 04

  There's no, nothing, nothing to judge it up. There's no artwork. It's just text, and that's exactly what I thought it would be.

• 36:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. They don't got no stock photos of satisfied murder customers.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  No. Oh, wait, here's some photos. Here's some photos.

• 36:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, hold on.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  Okay, one says global crisis management, and there's a picture of the globe. And then there's something that's service inquiries, and it's a man's blurry face, which is also very suspicious.

• 36:51Laci Mosley?

  Right. And it's also the kind of man who looks like he would be in celli or like try to shoot something up or maybe be a murderer.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  Oh, here we go. Guido Finelli and family.

• 37:02Laci Mosley?

  Growing list of satisfied clients, really? Okay, so Guido Finale, this poster, it says, "And family have operated R A H, Rent a Hitman, continuously since nineteen twenty and have proudly served both public and private sectors." So they're saying they also do hits for the government? What?

• 37:19Speaker 04

  I mean, this does not look like a government official website in any way, so I don't know what they mean by that.

• 37:26Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the government websites have been looking pretty jank these days.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Oh, that's true, actually. You're right. They're not great. That's true. That's true.

• 37:33Laci Mosley?

  They don't have great web designers in the government. It says, "The R A H family is consistently growing every day to keep up with the global market needs." For murder? Like, this is all so vague. Um, want to join?

• 37:45Speaker 04

  They're like, it's, people across the globe want to murder people. It's international.

• 37:50Laci Mosley?

  Would you believe it? Every country has people who need to be murdered.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  Every country has people who are terrible. Yeah, exactly.

• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  The supply is birth and the demand is murder. So...

• 38:01Laci Mosley?

  It says, "Want to join the R A H family? Use our web form to contact us and be sure to include a portrait headshot and any list of special skills you may have. Blood, breath, or urine testing may be required depending on your geographic locations." Um, so if you were a hitman, they're basically like, "You can't smoke weed?" Like, I don't... What?

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Also, I don't know about you, but just seeing this, the, this sentence that says, "Blood, comma, breath, or urine," like, just that sentence is so creepy to me. Like, blood, breath, or urine? I don't know why. That, I just find that to be a jarring, that's just like a jarring combination of words. Yeah, it's just such a bodily sentence. Yeah, I just am creeped out.

• 38:41Laci Mosley?

  How are you gonna test my breath? Like, I breathe into something and mail it to you?

• 38:45Speaker 04

  I know. I was wondering that. I was like, wait, the other two I, I get, because there's vials of it, but breath, yeah. It's like Back to the Ghost. It's just, there's nothing there. It's just an absence of something.

• 38:57Laci Mosley?

  Right. It says, "R A H guarantees a hundred percent satisfaction or your money back." Wow.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  I'm sure. I'm sure you get your money back.

• 39:05Laci Mosley?

  This is a setup site for people who want to get murders done. It says, "Customer and service industry awards." They got awards for murder?

• 39:13Speaker 04

  Okay, this is so funny. These awards, you guys, they look like lava lamps.

• 39:18Laci Mosley?

  They do. These aren't real awards. It's a, it looks like a flame. What's, what is this?

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Yes, it's like, it's like lava lamp meets like sperm. It has like a little tail. I don't understand what is hap- those are the craziest looking awards.

• 39:31Laci Mosley?

  RAH prides itself on exceptional customer service and satisfaction. We are proud to be globally recognized as a leader in our industry.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  The murder industry. I mean, also, all of the, the way they're taught, there's so much text and they're not saying anything. Like, you know what I mean? It's like such filler. There's just no information at all.

• 39:53Laci Mosley?

  This is a troll site because otherwise, like if they were really doing the whole clicks thing that they promised, like there would be something about some damn clicks. It says, business is booming. Hold on, go back down, Judith. It says, business is booming and we have a special group and senior discount packages available, packages to find out if you qualify. Simply submit your service request form and a field operative will contact you shortly. Oh, wow. And scroll up, it says, we are still open during the COVID 19.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Does not stop murderers. Oh, my God. Rain or shine, we will do it. Rain, shine, or pandemic.

• 40:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. We got PPE.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  We're in. We will do it.

• 40:33Laci Mosley?

  We got plenty of PPE for these murders. Okay, so don't worry. You're not gonna get COVID while we doing the murders. What? I, oh, God. Wow. This site is, go to redhatman.com. Now, don't accept the cookies because the government might find you, but I.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  It almost makes me think, okay, just really quick, the, the fact that the thing that says we are still open during the COVID, it's like the biggest part of the website. It's huge to the point where I'm like, do you have someone who's, who has COVID and that's how they're killing people? Like, they're gonna like, have their COVID friend like, go around someone and then that's how they're gonna like, take them down?

• 41:08Laci Mosley?

  Do some strategic costs, like a few doorknobs.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. Yeah, it's like, I feel like that's a strategy for them, for them to even care about the pandemic is surprising to me.

• 41:19Laci Mosley?

  Also, if you're a website that is like, doing like boosting for other pages and clicks and hits, that's all done remote, whether we were in a pandemic or not. So, I would, like, y'all doing in-person stuff? I guess the murders.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can't do Zoom murders. They unfortunately do, they do.

• 41:39Laci Mosley?

  They don't work. It's really hard to kill someone over Zoom. Yeah, I don't, Bob, you seem a little suspect to me. I don't know what your motivations are, Bob, but I'm, I'm not into it. I'm not into you, Bob. I don't know what you're doing.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  Not a Bob fan.

• 41:53Laci Mosley?

  But guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam, non-hit-man advertisements. And we'll be right back for the end of the show.

• 42:00Laci Mosley?

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• 43:36Laci Mosley?

  Guys, we're back for scammer of the week. This is where we'll highlight one famous charlatan that is worthy of our praise. Or not, we'll figure it out as we go. This scammer of the week this week is a Twitter famous biker known as at Azusa Gaku Yuki. And they're actually revealed to be a 50 year old, old man using FaceApp on his phone. Wow, let's get a picture up for Jamie so that she can see.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Definitely need a visual for this one.

• 44:04Laci Mosley?

  This 50 year old man, who actually is very handsome, is photoshopping his face to look like a woman. And he has really long hair and he's photoshopping his face to look like a woman on this bike. I'm like, okay, and FaceApp is a scam.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, FaceApp is 100% a scam. Facetune, FaceApp, it's so, it's so creepy what you can do to alter your appearance.

• 44:29Laci Mosley?

  Right, and look, I have the apps, I try not to, I like to whiten my eyes sometimes if I'm tired.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  That's what I do, I whiten teeth and eyes sometimes, yeah.

• 44:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but you still need to look like yourself. And like, look, have I gotten drunk and edited a photo too much and had to delete it? Absolutely, but you know, guys, when you're looking at celebrities on Insta or you're looking at the Kardashians, you're never really seeing what they actually look like. There's so much FaceApp, there's so much filtering. So that's a scam too. Don't think that you need to try to aspire to look like anybody on Instagram because they don't even look like that.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  Oh, I love calling that a scam. That's like, I don't know, there's, that brings me comfort to refer to that as a scam. It is 100% a scam.

• 45:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because the girls love to be like, oh, I put on this waist trainer and now I have like the waist the size of like when you put your index finger and your thumb together, like it's a corset.

• 45:16Speaker 04

  You're wearing a corset, like women have fought to not have to wear corsets. Don't go backwards.

• 45:21Laci Mosley?

  Come on ladies, move them bones around for sexy. So she was known to thousands on Twitter followers as a beautiful biker documenting her life in Japan. Until recently, when the true identity of this young woman was revealed. He was exposed on Monday Late Show, a popular Japanese variety show where hosts discuss the hottest and wackiest topics across the country. The production team had apparently tracked the biker down and found instead of a bright Young woman, an almost equally bright eyed, middle aged man. The unnamed fifty year old admitted at the show that he uses FaceApp, the photo editing tool that drastically alters one's appearance, including their age and gender. He has been using it to turn himself into a Twitter famous biker chick and even demonstrated his process on TV.

• 46:04Laci Mosley?

  Wow, so he came out and aired himself out, okay.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 46:08Laci Mosley?

  He apparently resorted to this Kawaii persona for social media and popularity. He said, if a girl like her existed, anybody would go crazy for her, right? Cause she's a biker, but she's also hot. It's like that Megan Fox Ducati wet dream of like, just a hot woman on a nice bicycle. Um, or motorcycle, I said.

• 46:28Laci Mosley?

  I ride motorcycles. Clearly I know a lot about it. So he fa- he altered his face to an unrecognizable degree, but his glorious golden mane is all his. Even before the shocking reveal on national television, Twitter users had already pointed out a suspicious detail in the photo that the biker tweeted on February eleventh. The photo meant to show off the back view of the motorcycle also captured in the reflection, the biker's side mirror. And a man who looked nothing like the woman in front of the Twitter account.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 46:57Laci Mosley?

  He didn't edit his face in the mirror, so they're like, wait a minute.

• 47:03Laci Mosley?

  It's a grown ass man in the mirror, but then it's like a twenty year old woman in the, wow.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  I guess what I don't get too is like, what was the end game for him? Like, did he want to get endorsement deals and stuff? Is that like, I don't, I'm just trying to understand what, what he wanted out of it.

• 47:20Laci Mosley?

  Probably, because on Twitter, if you have viral tweets, people will DM you and ask you to market stuff on the tweet and you can get paid for that.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  But it's like, he must know, like, after a certain point, like you, you can't really like elevate your career if you can't be in person for things. So like, it would only take you so far.

• 47:39Laci Mosley?

  Right, especially because like, even in the pandemic, you gotta get on Zoom.

• 47:42Speaker 04

  Exactly, or like Instagram Live, or yeah. Yeah, uh, oh god, well, there is a, a, a filter degree, like a filter. They have a couple of different filters, I think.

• 47:52Laci Mosley?

  That's true. I guess he could get on there and look like a, a wombat or something, some kind of filter.

• 47:59Speaker 04

  It would just smooth him out. It wouldn't like completely alter his face. I don't think they have that. Although honestly, if Zoom continues, someone is definitely going to like, come up with a proper filter pack and it's gonna be really creepy.

• 48:11Laci Mosley?

  I'mma show up and put on the Oprah filter and try to get more money. It's me. I love bread. They're like, all she says is, I love bread. Is this really Oprah?

• 48:22Speaker 04

  I feel like it might not be Oprah. It's just a hunch.

• 48:25Laci Mosley?

  She just keeps saying, I love bread.

• 48:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, Weight Watchers, yep.

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  Were you silenced or were you silent?

• 48:37Speaker 04

  You know, um. Weight Watchers is definitely a scam, side note.

• 48:42Laci Mosley?

  Right, big time. But listen, if it works for you, work it, okay?

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Of course, of course. I listened to this whole podcast about Weight Watchers and I was like, oh no, this is like so creepy. Anyway.

• 48:57Laci Mosley?

  It truly is. But you know, weight loss in general is a scam.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  It's so hard. Yeah, weight loss is, oh, everything's a scam.

• 49:04Laci Mosley?

  There's no way to just lose weight quickly and healthily.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  The dieting industry fully is a scam.

• 49:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and it all depends on making sure that you have low self-esteem. You know what I mean? They love to target you late at night. You'll see more ads for diet commercials at night. Because statistically, people who have higher BMIs tend to not sleep as early. And so, once scientists found that out, the ad, you know, industry was like, oh, okay, then we'll run like hydroxy cut and lose, here's somebody with a very large pair of pants that they probably never ever wore, holding them up in front of their tiny body. And the funny thing to me is that there's so many fat people who are way healthier than skinny people. A lot of health has to do with genetics. So you can have low blood pressure, be healthy, but the whole scam of the diet industry is like, we have to make you feel like bad and like so much of American culture.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, and also the scam is that they tell you that skinny automatically equals healthy, which is 100% not true. Yeah.

• 50:02Laci Mosley?

  And it's bad too because it's infiltrated our medical industry in such a pervasive way that doctors are so discriminatory. If you're black, if you're fat, if you're a person of color, if you're a woman, any of these things, whenever you go to the doctor, you should always be seeking a second opinion, especially if there's something that you need to get done or a surgery because doctors are scammers too. I have fibroids and I had a doctor, you know, tell me, one, I had a doctor before that who was like, we're gonna get you into early menopause and I was like, I'm 25, I don't want to go into early menopause. Then, um, later in my twenties, now I've gone to a doctor who was like, okay, so we're gonna take your uterus out and you'll be in the hospital for two days. And I was like, okay, but the fibroid isn't in my uterus, right?

• 50:44Laci Mosley?

  He was like, yeah, no, but that, I'm really good at that surgery. I was like, oh, so you go give me the take my pussy out surgery because you're good at it?

• 50:52Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 50:53Laci Mosley?

  Well, that's not what I need. My coochie don't need to be on the floor to OR, but you gonna do it anyway?

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Oh my god, my mouth is on the floor. That is so horrifying.

• 51:02Laci Mosley?

  It was like, look, I, this is what I'm good at is taking the girl's coochies out. Now you don't need that, but.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can't, you can't like do the surgery you like doing because it boosts your ego. Like that's not, that's not how surgery works. You're like, I'm really good at it. You're like, no, that's.

• 51:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. You're gonna have a huge scar and you're gonna have to stay in the hospital when really you could do outpatient.

• 51:21Speaker 04

  I want to be clear, you don't need it, but I am good at it.

• 51:24Laci Mosley?

  But it would just be really good for me and my self-esteem. If you let me pull your pussy out just real quick.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  I feel like a major big shot when I do that surgery. So if you don't mind being a guinea pig for me, that would be great.

• 51:37Laci Mosley?

  Cool, cool.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 51:39Laci Mosley?

  Um, but I honestly understand this man because he's right. A hot woman on a bike is gonna sell better than like an older man on a bike. And I, I get this grift, I really do. So he was altering his face and, um, even before the shocking reveal, people, you know, I'd picked up on him being in behind one of the ca- uh, cameras because I saw the mirror, which I love. The internet is so thorough. They would be like, what's that in the back?

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Yes. I love that sleuth mentality of like, hold on, let me zoom in. Oh my god.

• 52:08Laci Mosley?

  The zoom in is, people are petty and I love it. So, and, and you know what's funny is like before Black Lady Sketch Show came out and I could talk about it, we were, it was like, it was like, it's a big secret, like you can't talk about it, can't take photos in your trailer, all this shit. And one time I was on Twitter and I was saying like Issa, like Issa Knife, like, uh, 21 Savage or whatever. And someone noticed that my phone auto-capitalizes Issa. And so they're like, why does your phone auto-cap Issa? Do you work with Issa Rae? And I was like, what the hell?

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Whoa, that is really impressive attention to detail.

• 52:41Laci Mosley?

  Right, people, people pay attention on the internet. I love it. I mean, at this point, after the Capitol, uh, insurrection, the FBI was like, hey, girls, it's us, the F to be in the I. Do y'all mind getting on Twitter and finding these girls who can't sit at Capitol for us?

• 52:57Laci Mosley?

  Y'all don't know how to do that? Cause y'all definitely killed all the Black Civil Rights leaders. Y'all know where to find Fred Hampton, but y'all can't find these insurrectionists? I gotta look?

• 53:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, the worst.

• 53:06Laci Mosley?

  But it was actually very easy to find them. Guys, don't film your crimes, but if you're a racist, film your crimes.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, keep filming.

• 53:13Laci Mosley?

  We love it. We love that for you. So, the photo meant to show off the back view of the motorcycle also, you know, captured that reflection. Um, and someone on Twitter said, you're using a cute phone case, um, which basically they're being like, we see you in that side mirror, sis, and like, who is this? Who are you? So how do you feel about Azusa? Do we like Azusa? He wasn't harming anybody, you know?

• 53:34Speaker 04

  No, it was, it was, yeah, I mean, it was pretty benign what he did.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  It's interesting to me that that's like what he wants to get attention for is like being a hot girl on a bike and wanting the life of a hot girl on a bike. I think that says a lot about internet culture and like how we glorify influencers and Instagram and, yeah, and just being like, that is the new frontier. Like, if you can make money doing that, you've, you've done it.

• 54:01Laci Mosley?

  Right, and you can make good money doing that. It's a lot of work to constantly be doing photo shoots and shit, but like, you know, you can make great money. And like, it doesn't say here if, you know, Azusa, the real guy, the fifth year old identifies as this gender, so I'm not gonna put that on him. But I understand being like, oh, hot girls on Instagram get more likes and get more attention, so.

• 54:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, that's, that's more what I was thinking is just like, yeah, I think that the, the thought behind it actually makes a lot of sense. And I think it says a lot about our culture.

• 54:32Laci Mosley?

  Right, it really does. But guys, that brings us to the end of another episode. And Jamie, we always ask, where do you want to be found? Where do you want people to find you?

• 54:41Speaker 04

  Uh, where do I want to be found? I would love to be found on Netflix. I have a show called The Wedding Coach, and it drops on April 7th. And then I also would like to be found on Instagram, @reallyjamielee.

• 54:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Thank you so much for being here, Jamie. You're so fantastic. I loved you on Girl Code. I loved that show so, so, so much, um, starting in comedy. So like, uh, so it's so surreal to have you here. I love it.

• 55:05Speaker 04

  Thank you. And sorry that my dogs were growling the entire time. They're actually quite friendly.

• 55:09Laci Mosley?

  I love that they're getting into the frame. Like, your one dog in the back on that chair is like, hey, girl. I love it. We love to see it. Guys, as always, you can find us on Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. There's gonna be new merch coming out, guys. I'm gonna get a cube for you, I promise. Um, I've seen all your replies and everything on Twitter and Insta. Also, if you want to find me, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. Congregation, stay scheming.

• 55:34Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf Production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess is starring me, duh, Scam Goddess, AKA Lacey Mosley. Scam Goddess is produced by Chelsea Jacobson and engineered by Marina Baiz, with research by Sherrilyn Vera. Stay scheming.

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