#836 Balancing Work & Marriage w/ Polina, Pomp, Alex & Matteo

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone, this is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. This is a special episode of the Pomp Podcast. Myself, my wife Polina, and our friends Mateo and Alex, the founders of 8Sleep, all sat down. We had a conversation about our personal lives, about running businesses, about partnership, and how we see the world. Hopefully you enjoyed this conversation. I learned a lot from it and I really enjoyed recording it. If people like it, make sure you tweet at us and we'll record more of these in the future. Before we get into this episode though, I want to quickly talk about our sponsors. Today's episode is sponsored by the Bitcoin 2022 Conference. Bitcoin 2022 is the largest Bitcoin

• 0:45Anthony Pompliano?

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• 1:28Anthony Pompliano?

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• 3:36Anthony Pompliano?

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• 3:54Speaker 01

  Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

• 4:18Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, guys. Today's a special episode. I have three friends.

• 4:23Anthony Pompliano?

  And my wife, who's one of the friends, but also annoys me sometimes, all here. So I have Polina, I have Alex and I have Mateo. And we're going to do a little different. We're going to test something. I have no clue if this is going to work or if Mateo and I are going to storm out of just being annoyed from this episode. Oh, God, we're already in trouble. It can happen.

• 4:45Anthony Pompliano?

  So we're going to talk a little bit about the intersection between business and relationships with Alex and Mateo. Obviously, they're both co-founders of Eight Sleep, two of the three co-founders, and they also happen to be married. Mateo, you are fortunate, but Alex is more fortunate that she entered into that relationship.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  I disagree, but we can.

• 5:06Anthony Pompliano?

  We'll discuss.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Going to the details.

• 5:10Anthony Pompliano?

  And then Plin and I work together as well, and she has been fortunate enough to also put up with me for.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  I have been fortunate.

• 5:17Anthony Pompliano?

  For years now, which is surprising. So the first thing I want to talk about is just communication, which obviously I'm a great communicator, as Plin will attest to. But you guys have some very unique ways of communicating because you have work communication and then you have personal communication. So describe the people or explain like the logic behind this.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, first I'll caveat that by saying, I'll let you describe it. But Mateo finds a process in everything. Okay, that's just maybe like I'll say his forte, who wants a framework, he wants a process. So over the close to 11 years or so we've been together, a bunch of those working together, he figured out a process so that this thing of us working and living together and spending basically 24 hours a day together could function. But I think it's a great process. So I think it works for us.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  You guys work together at your house in different offices, right?

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  You don't go to an office, like you're in your home 24 hours a day, essentially.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's like post-COVID life. So like before, we were going to an office and you know, the whole thing, like what we used to call the rat life and you wake up and you're in an office by 8:00 AM and then you leave at 8:00 PM. Now we moved to Miami, you know, we work, the company's remote, so we work at home. Each of us has an office. Now Mateo's the CEO of the company, I run marketing, so he's my boss. So, you know, there's also that sort of dynamic.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Boss at, no.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  He is at work, you know, and like it's interesting, I think, to think about it because there's a lot of couples that work together. Maybe they have like a function that's almost like co CEOs or something. But like in this case at the company, we have other executives on the teams. Like it is a structured company and like he is my manager. So we had to figure out a way to communicate about the different topics in our life.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  And I mean, we are really serious about the roles. We have a one on one every Tuesday and then usually we do it on Saturdays. And yeah, she sends me the agenda. We go through all the bullets. My chief of staff joins and we treat it like any other executive.

• 7:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Hold on, hold on. You're skipping over this and like downplay this. So you guys do a one on one. And the reason I planned and I know this because you guys told us before and playing I'm like, oh, man, they're way ahead of us on this. Like we should learn from this. You just do a one on one every single week, but you do it from your house. You're in the same house, two different rooms and you get on Zoom to do it and you have the chief of staff join so that it's no different than if either one of you is doing a one on one with anyone else in the company.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. Or we'll do it in person of like if his chief of staff who lives in Miami too now is at home, we'll just, you know, go all together and but it's it's formal. Like, I mean, he will, you know, kick my ass if something's not going well. It's just like a normal relationship at work.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  So the best part is if the chief of staff, Alex, his name is Alex, is not in Miami, then we do it on Zoom. And at that point I do in my room, she does in her room and everyone is completely independent. But the best part of all this is she's always so people send me the agenda for the one on one the night before, but she's always late at sending it. And so every Monday night, she's still working at like 10pm and I say, what the hell are you doing? Why do we not do, you know, spend some time together? Oh, I have to send the agenda to my boss.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  I gotta say, that is not late because I have until the end of the previous day to send it.

• 8:37Anthony Pompliano?

  True.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  So I'm still on your own time.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  It's late in terms of personal life, but she's still fine in terms of professional life. And so as I say, I'm good, but as a husband, I'm pissed.

• 8:50Speaker 04

  Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, okay, how, when you guys disagree, because I think this is one thing that me and Anthony are definitely not good at, you can tell, like, right now, if we're talking, if he says something that pisses me off, even if it's a professional setting, like, you'll notice that I'm pissed off. How do you, like, at work, compartmentalize being upset at your boss or being upset with your executive without bringing it into your personal life?

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think this is something that Mateo was actually much better than me at doing. And over the years, I had to learn how to do that. But for us, which is really interesting, is like, we almost never really fight or disagree on things in our personal life. So it's, it's usually that we would bring, and usually I would bring, the resentments or the anger or the stress of work to the personal hours. And so I, I just had to deal with that, with the fact that, like, when we shut the computers and, you know, just like he would do with anyone else in the company, he's not with them all day, we may stop talking about work, then we'll talk about how he still slacks me about work, that's okay. But I can't bring that to the relationship, right? Like, it's done.

• 10:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Hey, this can't be, this can't be just shit on Mateo the whole time.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  The whole podcast is gonna be about shit on poor Mateo.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, wait, talk about, talk about the separation of...

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, so this is one of the main reasons why the, the communication structure and that process really helps.

• 10:18Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, so what's the system?

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Okay, we have two rules. So the first one is about, okay, how do we communicate? And so we use Slack and WhatsApp. On Slack, Slack, there is professional life and obviously WhatsApp, there is personal life. But the interesting thing is that sometimes I'm complaining on Slack about something, maybe we need to move faster or we didn't do something. But at the same time, some WhatsApping her about, okay, what are we gonna have for dinner tonight, my dear love?

• 10:45Speaker 04

  That's

• 10:47Speaker 03

  And then that's what you were mentioning, right? When you were pissed, you're like, how can he be writing to me about dinner when he's like telling me all these things?

• 10:54Speaker 02

  I'm able to disconnect from one or the other and completely switch. On one side is, oh, what, what beautiful dinner are we gonna have? Do you wanna go out for dinner? While on the other side, I'm complaining, get this thing done now because we are late.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  So, but, but your brain works like that, I think. Alex, how did you like go along with the system? How did you train yourself to be okay with it?

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Honestly, it's like years of it. Like, we've been together for so long, we've worked together for so long that at the beginning, it wasn't like that. Like, I think we were like before it's like, like, we've always done projects together. Like, we've been that type of couple. And so the first sort of projects we would do over the weekends and stuff, we were fighting much more. Like, it was, it was painful. And I think you have to go through that process sometimes. But you have to understand that both of you are doing with the best of intentions. You want the same goal. You start learning how to communicate, how to like bring up those emotions in the right moment, in the right setting. And yeah, I think it was just sort of training. And I needed that, those training wheels that maybe for him, it was easier. And I think it's just a matter of character and personalities and everyone's gonna be a bit different.

• 11:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:54Speaker 03

  And now I think it works pretty well. Like, it's rare that we bring that mesh. Actually, we integrate our conversations much more. There's less of this resistance where I say like, don't talk to me at work or let's not do this. Just it needs to integrate at the end of the day.

• 12:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you guys stop ever talking about work?

• 12:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 12:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Because I get yelled at all the time.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Okay, no, sometimes, sometimes.

• 12:11Anthony Pompliano?

  That I don't stop.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:12Anthony Pompliano?

  And Clinton will be like, stop. And I'll be like, but like, this is just how my mind works. Like, I can't.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  But there is the second rule.

• 12:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, a second.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  So the second rule is, I could keep talking about work 24/7, like nonstop, like, like you. But it's not the same for her. So sometimes she wants her space. And so she started setting this rule where around, I don't know, 9pm, call it, whatever, I need to stop talking about Work because it's not healthy for her. And she said, no, when, when, no, when she was complaining, she said, oh, you need to treat me like any other executive on this. And so I started thinking, I said, fine, I cannot talk about work, but I can still slack other executives. So I can slack you as well. Right?

• 12:55Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  And so sometimes we are on the couch and we are watching a show or whatever. My brain starts thinking and I start slacking her and there is her phone vibrating on the couch and it's me. And I keep writing, just waiting for her to read my message because I think I had a very cool idea.

• 13:15Anthony Pompliano?

  How many times has she thought it was a good idea?

• 13:17Speaker 02

  To you.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  It's a matter of mindset. So I still think it's a good idea.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I, I think one of the things, uh, Paulina got this idea, I think it was from Kat Cole.

• 13:29Speaker 04

  Kat Cole, yeah.

• 13:29Anthony Pompliano?

  Where, uh, Paulina was like, hey, we should do these, uh, monthly check-ins. And I immediately, I was like, I'm out. Like, I don't need to check in anywhere. We talk every day. We're good. She was like, no, like, well, how many questions are there?

• 13:42Speaker 04

  So it's like, I adapted it from Kat Cole. I listened to a podcast of her and her husband. And basically they were talking about when they were growing up, they didn't see like a great model for a great marriage. So they were like, how can we make our marriage good? So they asked a bunch of people like, you know, what, um, what, what do you do to make sure that your marriage is a good one? And they said, like, make sure that you don't just reserve checking in with each other like once a year. Do it more often than that. So they devised this like plan where it's every month. There's eight to 10 questions, I think. Uh, but they're meant to like promote good conversation.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  And we started doing it when we got married in July of 2020, every single month. And it's really cool now to look back, even though.

• 14:32Anthony Pompliano?

  She writes down the answers.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  Oh, that's.

• 14:34Anthony Pompliano?

  And goes and looks back.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  And the questions are of the sort, and I think Kat has an entire article on this. She has all the questions online if you want to see it, but, um, it's like, what can I do this month to be a better? Partner for you or what did I do last month that you didn't like that I could change this month, things like that. And then one, but like, because it's Anthony, one of the questions is like, what was your greatest gratitude last month? And I'd be like, you know, this, I'm so happy to have this like partner and this baby and whatever. And his is like, I got my teeth cleaned.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  That's not, that's not.

• 15:15Anthony Pompliano?

  I didn't, I don't know. You can take that a lot of different ways. Like it was a big moment. I rescheduled the meeting six times with a dentist. Finally got it done.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  You find it in the smallest of things. That's also good.

• 15:26Anthony Pompliano?

  The other thing is that there's a question of what is the thing that you spent time on over the last month that you didn't get a good return on your investment? Basically, how does you waste time? And my answer is the same every single month, which is Twitter. But at the same time, like, but there's value in Twitter as well. So like, there's some things that like, you know, you're looking like, okay, next month, I don't want that to be the answer. I don't want that to be

• 15:46Speaker 04

  It's cool to see a pattern.

• 15:48Anthony Pompliano?

  And then other times they're just like, yeah, that's gonna be my answer. Like, you just write that down for the next six months, because that's gonna be my answer for the next six months anyways.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  And the questions are personal or professional or both?

• 15:58Speaker 04

  They're kind of both. Yeah. One of them is like, you know, what's one thing that I could help you with at work this month or things like that? So that's an opportunity to be like, for example, I can tell him, hey, I have like three calls in the next two weeks. Can you watch the baby? Or like, here's how you can help me. But it's a better way. I think what you said, Alex, like, there's a time and a place for stuff. So if you mentally think like, okay, I'm not gonna bring this up now, but I'm gonna bring it up at the check-in, it makes it better than like arguing, you know, at 8am on a Saturday.

• 16:31Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm putting babysitter in my Twitter bio.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  We should do it as a friends. So we should start having the monthly check-in. How can I be a better friend?

• 16:38Anthony Pompliano?

  We should just do it right here. We can record it and publish it and then we can see.

• 16:41Speaker 04

  So we should tell the people who are watching or listening, that Mateo and Alex and us, every, pretty much every Saturday, we go get pizza together and we like talk about it.

• 16:53Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm not gonna get pizza anymore. Mateo's gonna make us pizza.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  We raise our bar. Now we make pizza at home.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  The same dough of the pizzeria.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  He was the understudy of the pizza maker. But yeah, we do things like this and like we talk about this stuff. So we thought, how cool would it be to record a conversation that we would normally have at the pizza place?

• 17:13Anthony Pompliano?

  All right. The number one question that Polina and I get from people whenever we've done podcasts in the past, et cetera, is how we make financial decisions. And I think-

• 17:23Speaker 04

  Or big life decisions.

• 17:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Or big life decisions, but mainly financial decisions, uh, which are big life decisions. I feel like you guys are very similar to us in that we don't really disagree about that much. Like the biggest disagreement is, you know, maybe I left the cup out when I had tea at night before I went to sleep. Right? Which by the way, sounds like World War III when it's brought up, but like not that big of a deal. How do you guys think about when you're going to make a purchase on something or saving versus investing? Like, how do you think about making financial decisions? Do you talk about it or do you just do whatever you want to do?

• 17:53Speaker 03

  No, no, I actually think working together has made those decisions seem so much easier to take than anything else we deal with at work. So it, I think it's just this muscle that we've developed where we're making decisions all the time at work. And, you know, when you are sharing your love with someone, you're making decisions all the time as well, but they seem so much easier to make and we sort of use the same approach where we talk about it.

• 18:13Speaker 04

  Can you give an example, like a specific example, like for example, buying a car or buying a house or something like that? How did you?

• 18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, two different examples. So on one side, we are pretty impulsive and we take decisions quickly. Like when we moved to Miami, like we spoke about that a couple of days. It was April 2020. We came here because we found a house online that we liked and we came here and we made an offer. That offer didn't go through, but then we, we kept trying and, and, and at the end we found a house we liked. But sometimes we also take stupid decisions like I, I recently bought a motorbike just because I like motorbikes. And so I go to her and say, I'm going to buy a motorbike and she just went like today. Uh, and then I had a slot in between meetings. I went and I got the motorbike and then, and then we-

• 19:00Speaker 04

  Oh my God. No, I have to say the reason why that works and, and I have noticed this talking to my friends when they like get married or, you know, they're, they've maybe they've been married for a couple of years is that-

• 19:09Speaker 03

  Sometimes partners don't talk about how they're going to manage their money. Right. And so the reason why something like that works is like, how do you structure your finances? Like, how much of it is money you put together with which you make decisions together? And how much when both of you have an income, right? You say, well, there's a part of that income that will be reserved to whatever I want to do. And so I think all of that is like, it needs to make sense as a system. It can't just be like, you know, maybe if he was buying that motorbike with money we had reserved for a purchase together. Yeah, of course I would be pissed, right? But we have set up a system that allows us to be.

• 19:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Is it so detailed that you have like percentages where you're like, hey, we're going to both put 50% of our salary?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  We actually have an Excel where.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 19:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Who created the Excel?

• 19:55Speaker 02

  So we have all the data from the past.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Can I just say, I make a mess in that Excel and he has to go in once a month and he cleans it up. So that is how this relationship works. Okay.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  But now we have data from the past four or five years of all the expenses. And then the way we contribute, so we agree on percentages. But then I have my money, she has her own money. That is more normal in Europe. So I grew up with that now mindset, right? In Europe, usually not the two partners, each of them have, you know, they can, they decide when they get married, but they substantially split their own money. And so in our case, we have a gentleman.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  A hybrid structure.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  A hybrid structure where, yeah, we decide what's her percentage, what is my percentage and everyone pays. But then in other things like, so we were looking recently for someone to file our taxes. And so I did the whole due diligence. I went through 12 different tax advisors or whatever is the right name. And I picked the right one. And so I was 100% on that, but now we need to file some documents and she's better at that boring stuff. And so she now.

• 21:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  All the documents. So we kind of split the activities. Then in terms of investments, I'm the one who is active, she's the one who is more conservative.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  But then when I invest my, this sort of like the percentages. My money.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Then I'll ask him, right? So like, that's also part of recognizing like, what are the strengths or the things? And maybe he's spending more time on that he can guide me through or like, help me. He has like a few more years of experience in life than me too. And so just, I think we really think of each other as like partners and there's no like competition.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  But she has her own portfolio, right? So I say, look, this is my portfolio. If you want to follow this percentages now in ETF or bonds or whatever. And then she decides what to do with her own money.

• 21:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what we do, except for

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Pulling a, uh, goes off the rails every once in a while and hits me with, I'm, I'm doing this. And I'm like, well, that's actually a good idea, but uh,

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. So this is what I was gonna say. So I think with decisions, we really don't, we haven't had like a disagreement. I think we're pretty aligned on like big life decisions. But, um, I will say that, for example, if we disagree on something, if he wants to buy something or do something. And I'm like, I'm not sure that's a good idea. I ask questions and then he likes it, but to me, I think it's like an argument, but he's actually, I don't, I, I've recently learned that the way he like makes decisions is he listens to all the questions, even though he confidently rebuts them like during the argument. I'm like, no, no, you're wrong. And he's like, well, what about this? And what about this? And then a week will pass and he's like, oh yeah, you're right. Like I didn't end up doing it.

• 22:37Anthony Pompliano?

  I do the same.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  And then you keep thinking about that on your own and then maybe you change your mind and you go back and say,

• 22:46Anthony Pompliano?

  But see, this was, this was probably the biggest thing that I think, uh, I don't even really even think we figured this out until after we got married.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Oh my God, it took a while.

• 22:55Anthony Pompliano?

  In hindsight, maybe I should have done a better job of explaining it, but Polina would be like, I can't believe that we got in an argument. And I'm like, what argument did we get in? And she would be, and then like a week later, she'd be like, like, I can't believe we fought about something. I'm like, what, what? And then I realized, I thought that we were just debating or like, uh,

• 23:15Speaker 03

  Like playing devil's advocate.

• 23:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Me and my brother, we just like talk shit to each other, right? And like, five minutes later, you wanna go get dinner? Sure, let's go. Like, there's no, uh, hard feelings. There was no any of this.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:24Anthony Pompliano?

  But Polina would take it as like, we got in an argument.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  I had the same, I had the same struggle, especially like when we started living together and like, your life sort of changes, right? Like, it's a big shift to start sharing your life with someone. And you, you know, in our case, we're from different cultures too. I mean, you guys too, like you grew up in a different, Yeah. Home with a different culture. And so there's like a lot of potential clashes there. And you probably remember this in like the early years, but like, I would definitely be much more sensitive and like, maybe I wouldn't understand the tone or the types of questions or the things or the actions. And like, yeah, you have to go through it and be able to voice it with, like you said, at the right moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't be just like exploding all the time. You need to be able to think and say like, well, here's why I'm feeling this way. And then find the moment when you can discuss the things that, after processing them, actually make sense as something that hurt you.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  And I, and I will say, I think like some people, uh, their partners are, are very emotional people. Like, I think if I was in a relationship with somebody who was an emotional person, it would be much more explosive than like, Mateo or Anthony are very logical. And I think it kinda like, you, you have to become more rational.

• 24:30Anthony Pompliano?

  We're gonna clip that part.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  No, I said that one time, never again.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Actually, a good topic for another podcast, if we will meet here again, it would be, we always debate how naive we were when we started our relationship. And no one taught us how to really assess a partner.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  You guys were young too, right?

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  And when we started dating, yeah, I was 21, so.

• 24:55Anthony Pompliano?

  You were 21, how old were you?

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Twenty, yeah, 28, something like that.

• 25:00Anthony Pompliano?

  28, alright, how old were you when I met you?

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Five?

• 25:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, you were like a baby, yeah. I saved you, actually.

• 25:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, if you were 20, you say you're 24?

• 25:09Speaker 04

  You were like 28.

• 25:11Anthony Pompliano?

  27, 28, yeah, something like that, yeah. So, so, partner selection, I think is like probably one of the most important. Basically, there's two main important decisions you have to make in life. It's like who you spend your life with and where you spend your life, right? Those are the two things. And what was it, Naval, maybe? Somebody recently said like, environment. I actually disagree that environment's the number one, right? Partner's probably number one, and then environment. Maybe environment can lead to partner or vice versa. But how did you think about partner selection? Like, why, why did you like, oh, this 21 year old, like, I'm gonna spend the rest of my life with her?

• 25:44Speaker 02

  I think, I mean, we, we talk about that all the times. And I think we were extremely naive. We didn't assess all the things, right? And but the risk, no one taught us how to assess a partner. There is just this concept of love is the person that you love.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Well, I'll actually say this. I think they tell you a lot about how to assess the person. Is the person this? Is the person that? Is the person? It's like you're judging a person instead of saying, how do we fit together?

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Right? It's almost like when you're hiring, if you're just looking at the candidate and saying, oh, look at this perfect resume.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  That's not enough. You need to understand how that person fits into what you need in your organization, where you want to go, how this person needs to grow. And I think that's the mistake that we make most of the time. So you just look at this person and you don't understand how that person fits with you and also with the life you want to live. Like, in our case, you know, for me, when, when I was assessing this, and I had an experience with a friend who, who also had like, was having a relationship with someone from the UK. She's from Mexico. And I told her, it's like, when I was assessing if I wanted to spend my life with an Italian guy, I had to understand that I was probably never going to go back to living in Tijuana where I grew up. Right? And that's a big decision to Anthony's point of where you live. Like, you need to be aware that your life is just never going to be maybe what you dreamt of, like, you're living back home with all your friends and in the same neighborhood as your parents.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  So there were some of those things in my mind, but certainly not with the depth of a lot of the things you encounter. Once you are married, you realize, wow, like, we never maybe talked about this. Or we, it just like, it worked, but we were not like really aware.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  Lucky in that it worked?

• 27:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Luck's not real.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  Or did you kind of grow together?

• 27:17Speaker 02

  We were lucky and so we grew together, but we were just lucky that we were able to do that, right?

• 27:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  But, okay, but I have to say this, I had a really good instinct because when I met Matteo, guys.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  I always tell this story, okay? When I met him, we were these youngsters and I was living in Miami, so Miami has a big role in our lives. And I met him at a club, Nikki Beach. This was 2010.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  This is wild. He met at a club.

• 27:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Popping.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  This is a long time ago. Halloween night, so not only at a club, it was like Halloween night and so we met, we meet there. No, we were definitely drinking back then, but we were not like drunk or anything, but so we meet there and Matteo being Matteo, he was like, you know, we chat for like 30 minutes and then he's like, give me your number, let's have dinner tomorrow. And I'm like, whoa, this guy's aggressive. And I didn't.

• 28:09Anthony Pompliano?

  I get things done.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  I didn't understand that he didn't live in Miami, like obviously we were chatting for like 20, 30 minutes. So I thought he was very aggressive, but the point is he was leaving like two days later to go back to Italy where he was still living. So that's why he was being so aggressive, or maybe he really liked me. And so we go to have this dinner and I swear to God.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  So.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  Wait, have I not heard?

• 28:32Speaker 02

  She doesn't give me the phone number, she gives me the email address.

• 28:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Not a phone number, just email address.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Because I thought if I give him my number, this guy's gonna be bugging me. Imagine if I actually don't, because I didn't say yes to the dinner right then and there. I'm like, let me think about it.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, good for you.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  That's boring, myself. Let's talk about, let's talk about the framework. So I go back to the hotel and I immediately send an email following up after the night at the Nikki Beach, asking for dinner the following night. You know, so there is a framework in everything, you know, as you follow up in business.

• 29:00Anthony Pompliano?

  What was the subject line?

• 29:02Speaker 03

  I probably can find that email, but like he follows up immediately, by the time I get back to my dorm, I'm at U M.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Email is there.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  With his name, with his full name, so I started Googling him, because I'm like, who's this guy? Like, I'm not gonna go to dinner with a guy I don't know.

• 29:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that weird?

• 29:17Speaker 04

  He said that I was stalking, it's research.

• 29:19Anthony Pompliano?

  We'll get to you in a second.

• 29:22Speaker 03

  It's very important to do your research.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  And so I Google him, there are these articles coming up of his previous companies and like, he's like all dressed in a suit and he's like standing with his arms in front of his chest. Yeah, he was like cool, right? But anyways, we go to have this dinner. I'm like, you have to come over all the way here by UAM, which, you know, for people who don't know Miami, that's not in Coral Gables. And then like, he was staying in Miami Beach. And so he was really thinking whether he should even come. Imagine this, he would have missed the opportunity of his life.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  I was this close to not go because I was there with my co-founder, I was in Miami with my co-founder and my co-founder started inviting me to another place for that evening. And so until like 10 minutes before not calling the taxi, I had to decide. And then I said, okay, let me, let me go.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Changed his life. So he comes to this dinner and I still remember like, that's actually when we started chatting, like, oh, tell me about you, because you know, you don't do that at the club. And just from the way he was describing himself, I had like this moment, this like aha, like Oprah stuff, or like the aha moment. I'm like, holy, like this, this guy is what I felt at the time.

• 30:28Anthony Pompliano?

  He would you with chit chat?

• 30:28Speaker 03

  No, no, like what I felt, it wasn't even that I like, I fell in love with him in that moment or anything. It was, I realized, for some reason, I interpreted this way. It's like, this guy is me in a man.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:40Speaker 03

  And I, my mom's.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Hopefully it's positive.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  My mom, actually, at our wedding, she gave a speech because my dad was no longer with us. And she said this story, right? I told her, it's like, this guy, I meant like, this guy's like me, meaning I always, I was always like a very ambitious and woman. And you know, I wanted to do certain things in life. And like, I founded hard, I had founded at the time, hard to meet men who liked that, or who were okay with that. And so when he was just describing himself, which was something very simple, and he was just not telling me anything big or trying to be cocky or arrogant, it just sort of clicked.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:13Speaker 03

  And I was like, if I ever see this guy again, because by the dinner, I obviously understood he didn't live in the US, if I ever see him again, I think I'm going to marry him.

• 31:21Anthony Pompliano?

  So you want to hear what's crazy? Is the very first time that Plin and I ever met, ask her what she asked me at, by the way.

• 31:28Speaker 03

  Oh, I did. Okay.

• 31:29Anthony Pompliano?

  A work meeting.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Okay, but hold on a second. Hold on a second. Let me frame this because I had been thinking about this. And that's what, and I was like, oh, because he just seemed very, um, like, okay.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  What you just said, you were one of the few people that I had ever met who actually asked questions and paid attention. So like, I would have this thing where if I'm not really like, if I don't want to talk about something, I would just change the subject and the other person wouldn't notice. But like, he was like, no, no, no, like, what, what, what were you gonna say? And it was like, oh, you're actually listening.

• 32:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, because in my world, that's just bullshit, right? It's like, oh, my bullshit meter is very well tuned.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  Remember the Christmas tree?

• 32:10Anthony Pompliano?

  And so she would like, try to change the subject. And so at one point.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  She started to interrupt. She was interviewing you?

• 32:16Anthony Pompliano?

  No, no, no, we're just meeting. I won't go into all the details and embarrass her, but we were just meeting. I thought I was at a business meeting.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Ah, we were at a business meeting.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  This is like the we were on a break or we were not on a break.

• 32:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's a whole thing. But long story short, is she would like, I'd ask her a question and she would like, kind of half ass answer. And then she would like, try to divert the conversation. So one of the things that she said, I mean, can't make this up. She was like, what's the weather like in North Carolina? And I was like, what?

• 32:45Speaker 04

  It was like in the middle.

• 32:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Or like another time she was like, do you think that Christmas tree back there is a real one or a fake one? And I was like, what? Like, what is going on right now? But the question that she did ask me at one point was, do you think that two ambitious people could be together? And I was like, it's a very fascinating question. I've never thought about that because just like, if people aren't ambitious, like I kind of just like, get rid of them, right?

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Like you're bored or you don't find it interesting?

• 33:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, just like, I just like move, it's like, you know, you're just kind of like rotating through friends or whatever, until you find people who you're like, oh, these are like people who, you know, I feel comfortable around, whatever. And like ambition was probably one of the core things throughout, whether it was my family, my friends, you know, people I dated, whatever. And so when she asked me that, I was like, I never really like, thought about this idea. And she's like, well, that's kind of what you're saying of like, yeah, there's like a lot of dudes who don't like that. And I was like.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  So, so yeah, to me, I, that came at a time where I was like convinced that if two ambitious people are together, eventually it like, won't work out because you're both ambitious and whatever. But your answer to that question was actually really interesting.

• 33:53Anthony Pompliano?

  What was my answer?

• 33:53Speaker 04

  Do you remember?

• 33:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Nope.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  Basically, you said like-

• 33:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Ah, great one, though.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  There's, um, there's like two types of people, right?

• 34:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, I do remember this, yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you either meet really, really young, like in high school or college, and you grow together.

• 34:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Navigate life together.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  You navigate life together, but you end up growing together, right?

• 34:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  And even though you're really young.

• 34:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, almost think of it like an obstacle course. Two people start an obstacle course, right? If, uh, and you're both like 15, 16, 17 years old. And as you run through the obstacle course, you both have to make it to the end together, right? So like, you not only are transitioning from high school to college, college to working, working to, you know, family, like all these different transitions in your own life, but you have to do it at about the same pace and at the same complexity, maturity, et cetera, as the other person. It's like very hard to do.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? And so like, pretty much every person I've ever known, like, they were way more mature than I was, or vice versa, like whatever. And so if you can't do that, which is like navigate it all side by side, then the only other way to actually get to like a long lasting relationship in my mind was like, you both run the obstacle course by yourself, and then at some point you meet way down the road. And when you do that, it's much easier because you basically have, uh, you haven't had to meet all those challenges together when you might not have grown at the same pace. And so that was my point to her was like, yeah, you could either be really young and meet and like navigate it all, or you gotta wait till later. But the like, meeting halfway usually doesn't work because people are at different points in their career.

• 35:33Anthony Pompliano?

  They don't have the trust of having known each other for a long period of time. Like, it's just very hard, I think, to do that. Uh, and so when we met, I was like, well, like, you know, I'm older, so like-

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, so where do you think you two met in that trajectory?

• 35:46Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, I also think it matters, though. I think we met later. Like, I think we had both done things or like been successful in different areas of our lives. But to me, success then is nowhere near what success is now. Um, but when we met, I actually am really glad that we met in 2016, like way before all this crap, like way before Bitcoin and all this stuff. Um, because, I mean- Like you weren't making any money. I wasn't making

• 36:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Polina literally met me at like, a lot of people forget this and people go Google it, but like, I had this like, great career, took a huge cratering hit. That's at the bottom is when I met Polina. And it was unique because I actually don't think I would have trusted her at like, almost any other point. If I met her a year before or a year later, it's like, kind of questionable, right? And so I think that there's this weird thing also of like, you guys met and you met at a time in your lives where like, you could trust people. You could like, like it wasn't, you didn't have to worry about like, why is this person talking to me, whatever.

• 36:54Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, if Mateo was single right now and he went to a bar and somebody came up to him and said, oh, you're the Eight Sleep founder, right? Like, that would be like a weird way to like, start a relationship with somebody. And so I think a lot about like, when you actually end up meeting somebody, are you in a position in your life where you could trust them? And that you don't think they have alternative motives or anything like that? Like, how many, you know, what was it? Somebody said, um,

• 37:20Speaker 04

  I mean, like, oh, go ahead.

• 37:21Anthony Pompliano?

  I was gonna say, Kim Kardashian's had like, four divorces, I read online. And like, how do you, if you're Kim Kardashian, you meet somebody.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  It's hard to trust.

• 37:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Why, why are they showing up, right? Like, like, that's the extreme example of it, but like, that's just a hard situation.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  It happens all the time, I think, with people that build a certain level of power or wealth, especially fame. It makes it really difficult.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Like, I was nobody at Fortune magazine, right? Like, I was the lowest of the lowest level reporter. But I always had it in the back of my head, like, is this so and so interested? Because maybe not in me, but like, potential Fortune coverage? Which they, you know, little did they know, I could never write about them because it's conflict of interest, whatever. But, but it's like, it's always in your head, like, if I continue down this trajectory, like, am I always gonna have to keep that in mind?

• 38:11Speaker 03

  I think there's actually a dynamic too, that There is the the trust part in terms of, yeah, maybe who you are, how much money you have or whatever. But like even I think in young women of like, are they with me just because like I'm young and pretty and whatever and they'll like leave me in a few months. I think a lot of people don't talk about that too, sometimes of, you know, just trust and like, it has to be built in really believing that people want to be with you because of who you are. And I think that to your point of, you know, Kim or a lot of people imagine if you're like a beautiful model and you're young and you're trying to find like a real partner. I'm sure that it makes it difficult because you wonder if they're with you just because of your looks. And if at some point they'll get tired of that and want to look for something else.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I do think there's a piece also of like, if you could build a company with somebody, then you probably could be in a relationship with them. Like, like, there's this weird thing of like, Polina brought this up to me one time, the terminology, was it trophy wife?

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:07Anthony Pompliano?

  You explained where this origin came from?

• 39:10Speaker 03

  No, I don't know the history.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  And I don't know the history.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  Oh, it's fantastic. Okay, so it's not, it doesn't mean that.

• 39:17Anthony Pompliano?

  This is the key thing. The way that we think a trophy wife now, I think is like, I just thought of, I don't think I'm allowed to say, but like, you know, it's kind of like the man marries an attractive, younger woman who is the trophy wife because of how she looks and her age, like all this stuff.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:35Anthony Pompliano?

  But actually, it started out completely different meaning.

• 39:38Speaker 04

  So this reporter Carol Loomis worked at Fortune magazine and she wrote about this, I think it was in the 80s, it was when all these CEOs were, they were very high power CEOs, but they had married young, right? So they had married someone who was kind of like, you know, they didn't grow together. And they weren't, maybe their partner wasn't necessarily interested in what they did, etc. There weren't true partners. And then there was this like slew of CEOs getting divorced and marrying the second wife and the second wife, she referred to as the trophy wife, but it used to mean like entrepreneurial, more equal partner.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  So that's the actual sort of partner that they chose knowingly. And that's an actual achievement in a way. That's interesting.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Not, you know, like the trophy wife that we think of today.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  There is one, I think, one topic that very few people cover that. If you find the right partner and you start growing together, that will probably increase your chances of success. And I'm not just talking about professional. No, it could be professional, personal, everything, right? But so, and we see it as also as co-founders. I think in our case, yeah, maybe the age we were not, not just out of college. But if you think, I just moved to the US when we started living together. So it was like the beginning of a new journey for me. We both got into tech at the same time. So we were like a T zero when we got into tech. And everything we did, we did it together from that moment on.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  But I think very few people talk about the fact that if you find the right partner and then you start sharing a goal and you are aligned in terms of now values and mission, almost like within a company, that is gonna accelerate and push you to raise your bar continuously. In our case, right, we, we share friends, but we also share contacts. We read the, the same kind of things. We are obsessed about the same topics. And so, yeah, she's my wife, but she's also like almost a tech body. And so we have a lot of fun debating things that happen on Twitter or in tech every single week.

• 41:50Anthony Pompliano?

  It's, um, uh, the overlap of intellectual curiosity is like really important. And, uh, if you think about the things that either Alex, Matteo, Polina are interested in, if you couldn't sit down and have that conversation with your significant other, like life would be kind of boring almost, right? And I think a lot about like focus, right? Of, uh, there's this, I'll call it a meme. I don't know, like passage or whatever on, uh, on Instagram a lot, um, that I see people post. And it's something to the effect of like, hey, find one woman, focus, and you'll be amazed at like what can happen, right? And sure, like there's some elements of that that are true, but I actually think it's the right person.

• 42:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Like Polina and I probably spend, I don't know, in the last three days, we've watched the same thing. We've both been like, man, we can't wait to watch that documentary. We can't wait to watch that video.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  Jamie Dimon, Carl Icahn.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the same for us, right? We were driving on Saturday.

• 42:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Same podcast, like all that stuff.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  We listened to three podcasts in a row about tech on Saturday while we were driving. And then you debate that.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  And I think this, it's hard to find the perfect partner for this, right? Because they can have a different interest. But if you are aligned in terms of interest, I think it makes things way easier for the couple because you have so much to talk about.

• 43:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Yes.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  It's not that she's doing a completely different job where maybe I don't really care about what she's doing, even if it's interesting, she's in fashion, or maybe I don't care about fashion, and then she start going in a different direction from mine. Here, we live and breathe the same topics every day.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  But I think it can work, so you don't have to be in the same industry.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  I think it's like that understanding of whether there are some things you would be overlapping in in terms of interest. Like, there has to be, maybe, like, say, if I was in fashion, where could we discuss about, like, the high-performing creative individuals? In fact, like, it happens, actually, a lot of times. Like, I love listening to stories from, like, celebrities or these creatives, people, like, telling their stories, like, on YouTube or whatever, these interviews, and maybe he doesn't gravitate initially towards those, but I'm still able to bring those stories into our conversations because he's generally interested in how high-performing people think.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, he couldn't care less about, hold on, could not care less about the Kardashians, but, like, Kris Jenner.

• 44:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Kris Jenner, that woman's a genius. That woman's a genius, are you kidding me?

• 44:15Speaker 04

  So, but like, it wasn't until-

• 44:15Anthony Pompliano?

  But I don't know anything about the Kardashians, but I know Kris Jenner's a genius.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  But it wasn't until, like, I brought that story to you that you were like, oh, she's interesting.

• 44:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, well, and I think it's also, there's people who are interesting, but there's also, like, ideas, right? Because if you're interested in just, like, whether it's high-performance individuals, businesses, whatever, like, a lot of times, you can see something that happens in one industry, and you're like, oh, you could take that same idea and apply it. Maybe it's a little bit different, maybe it's in, you know, it's not software, and now it needs to be software, or whatever, but like, I don't know, you know, something that I know is close to my tail's heart is like Ferrari, Lamborghini, you know, luxury brands, how they position it, where they market, like, you can learn a bunch from it, and then you can take it and you could literally go do it with any other type of business. And so, like, I think that's probably where I get, like, the most interesting stuff. And-

• 45:05Anthony Pompliano?

  What is the, uh, there's a documentary on, I think his name is Evan Funk? I think is how it is.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Pasta maker?

• 45:12Anthony Pompliano?

  That's his name, right?

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's spelled F U N K E, maybe?

• 45:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. So there's a guy who, uh, he's got a restaurant in Los Angeles. He's world famous. A friend of mine told me, hey, go watch his documentary. And I'm like, I don't know anything about pasta, really. Like, I don't care, like all this stuff. For sure. So this guy goes to Italy.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:30Anthony Pompliano?

  For a year or something, and he studies under like the best pasta makers.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  No, but he also studies under like the grandmothers who like make.

• 45:39Anthony Pompliano?

  The best aren't like, I'm not talking like Michelin five star chef. I'm talking about like literally the, you know, uh, the, the actual grandmothers making Italian pasta, whatever. And then he comes back and he puts his own flair on it, but he creates this restaurant in Los Angeles. And it's like this amazing thing, but they document the whole thing. And you're just like, at the most macro level, like going and learning and putting in the work to get the knowledge of doing that. How many people would have flown there for a couple of days and like, okay, I saw what they, you know, I saw how they cut it and they left. But this guy like moved there for six months, 12 months, whatever it was, and did it every single day and came back. And now he's like this great person. And like, man, sometimes that, that is the secret to it, right? It's just seeing how somebody else did it and then moving it over.

• 46:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. And that inspires you. So we're kind of that way, like we want to watch those things together because we find joy and motivation in those same sort of media products. But definitely when I'm watching the Kardashians, which I loved to watch, he doesn't tune in, right? And so you also can have like your own hobbies or things you enjoy doing.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  If it was a documentary about her, how she got from zero to what she is today, I would be super excited to watch it. Because no, I want to learn from her.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:48Anthony Pompliano?

  All right. Last topic I want to talk about, then we'll get into the closing questions is time versus money. And this is the thing that Polina and I probably, uh, we, we recognize that we approach this differently.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 47:00Anthony Pompliano?

  But a lot of times there will be things that aren't like overly expensive, but they will save me time. And I'm like, I'll spend the money all day long, like just keeping my time. Polina's mentality usually is the opposite of like, I'll just do it myself. So I don't have to spend the money. And it's interesting because like there is no right answer. It's like, what are you optimizing for?

• 47:19Speaker 04

  Okay, but I think this is exactly what Alex said earlier about like cultural differences. For example, when we came to the US, like we lived in apartments where like you turn the lights on and you like, the cockroaches weren't even scared to leave, they were just there. So like, like I from coming from that, and even if I do have the money for something, there's still this like mental block of like, yeah, but I can just do it. It's like, you know, do you have somebody come clean your house? I'm like, I can just do it, you know, even though it won't probably save me money, whatever. But I just, I can't like, it's hard for me to get through like, I didn't have money. And then once you have some money, it's like, how do you like?

• 48:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Get through time and money.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  Have you ever heard Oprah talk about the first thing she bought when she made money? And it was like towels?

• 48:06Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 48:07Speaker 03

  Like good towels? Yeah, cause like when you come from having nothing.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  She's obsessed with Oprah. If she can meet one person in the world.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  Oprah.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Amazing entrepreneur.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  Exactly. Well, that's what I always loved about her.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  She grew up watching her.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  And so. And it's like, there's this black woman who's like building this empire, like how I can do that as well.

• 48:25Anthony Pompliano?

  And she was incredibly smart too, not just about building like what was a great career, but also owning everything as soon as possible.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? And like getting ownership of the network. All right. So to close, there's a couple of questions I think that we should ask. And maybe we'll do, if we do this again, we'll ask the same questions. The first one is what's the one thing that your partner did that annoyed you this past week?

• 48:48Speaker 02

  I can start.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Oh my God, I feel so insulted right now.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  No, I was waiting for this since when he told me yesterday that this was a question. I started thinking, out of these 10, 15 things, which one should I pick? So on Saturday, we drove to Palm Beach and as soon as she gets in the car, she starts changing the temperature, you know, bringing it down. And she doesn't get that it takes a little bit of time for the car to just reach the, you know, the 70 degree temperature and she keeps moving down. And so all the times I tell her, oh, you shouldn't do that. Just wait a couple of minutes and then we'll reach the right temperature.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  Guys, I get hot, I sweat, he doesn't sweat because he probably has like a 5% body fat. And I'm over here sweating and I'm like, can I please just put it lower? This is the fight now. That's the thing we fight about.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 49:41Anthony Pompliano?

  I mean,

• 49:42Speaker 04

  in this case.

• 49:43Anthony Pompliano?

  to say that you both have a point here, so I'm just gonna step out of this one.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  But can I just, can I just point out the expert thing that Alex just did? She said, she gave him a compliment while saying he was wrong.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  The sandwich structure, right?

• 50:00Speaker 04

  She said he has 5% body fat, but he's wrong.

• 50:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Alex, what did he do?

• 50:05Speaker 03

  I was gonna kind of use the same one.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  You didn't do the full thing.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Well, we have these, you never saw it, so we say like this.

• 50:19Speaker 04

  Oh, nice. I like it. Do we need one?

• 50:21Speaker 03

  It's like we're 12 year olds or something.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  I think we need one.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that one, but like Mateo does the same thing that you were mentioning about the cup that Anthony does, where like he doesn't put the teacup or the espresso cup anywhere other than where he left it. But I've gotten used to it, you know, it's, it's a compromise. Like you don't take it to the sink. You don't put it in the sink.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  I put it in the sink and I also flip it.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm gonna take a picture next time we're gonna share it.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I completely disagree.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  I'm gonna tweet it.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  For Mateo, it's, it's a coffee cup or an espresso cup. For him, it's a vase, because he drinks water out of a vase that he didn't know is a vase.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  Do you have a picture of the vase?

• 50:57Anthony Pompliano?

  It was just a big cup.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  I was like, are you drinking coffee or water out of my flower vase?

• 51:01Anthony Pompliano?

  I thought it was a big cup. It's like a, it's like a small vase and big cup, whatever. All right, what did I do to annoy you?

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, so I didn't address this with you, but um.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  This is part of the monthly chiquita.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. But like now I can't say it because he's like calming the baby. Okay, well, the other day we were at a friend's apartment and Sofia was sleeping. Oh.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  Hey. She remembers.

• 51:25Speaker 04

  She, she remembers. She was sleeping and you know, if you're a first time parent, how important it is for the baby to sleep because you have some time. And all is well, it's quiet, birds are chirping, we are talking. And he goes, okay, I'm gonna wake up my friend so I can play with my friend. And I'm like, no, your friend is sleeping.

• 51:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Hey, hey, hey.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 51:49Anthony Pompliano?

  What are you doing?

• 51:50Speaker 04

  So yeah, so I was like, your friend is sleeping. Let her sleep. You can play with her later. He's like, no, I really, I really think I need to play with her right now. And I'm like, I really don't think you do. And this is playing out in front of people. So I'm like, oh, but I keep it cool. I'm like, well, I didn't really keep it cool. But I was like, you don't play with her. But then eventually I conceded and I was like, fine. So then he woke up the baby and that's it. But I'm just like, never wake.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Did he have to sleep the baby afterwards or he was off the hook?

• 52:21Speaker 04

  Well, she, she was.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Cause she was also pissed you woke her up.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  So that one time, of course she didn't cry. I was like, of course, this one time. Anyway, never wake a sleeping baby. And he did. And I was not, I was upset. I wasn't that upset about it. It was just annoying.

• 52:40Anthony Pompliano?

  For the record, did she cry?

• 52:42Speaker 04

  She did not cry this one time.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  She loved it.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  She's crying now though.

• 52:50Anthony Pompliano?

  So for the record, I was right. All right. So the thing that you annoyed me with this week, I've been thinking long and hard about this. You've asked me a bunch of times. There's, there's actually two things that you did that I thought I should bring up. One is exactly what you just said, which is when I want to play with the baby, let me play with the baby. Like it's, it's time for us to hang out. Like I just, I could feel it. There's like this energy thing. It's a vibe thing. Yeah, just like, I could just feel that the baby is like, where is my dad? So like, let me play with the baby. The second thing actually is also related to the baby, which is Paulina has way too much confidence in me. And at times she will leave me with the baby alone.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Like today?

• 53:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Today was one situation, but that wasn't that bad. Last night it happened, two or three weeks ago it happened as well, where she'll say, hey, just hold the baby. I'll be back in five minutes or 15 or 20 minutes. And then she'll leave and she's laughing right now. Cause the second, the second she leaves, all hell breaks loose. The baby starts screaming like literally the baby's being murdered. And the baby, I don't know how knows this.

• 54:00Anthony Pompliano?

  But she'll stop two minutes before Polina comes back. And Polina will come back and go, when I left, the baby wasn't crying. When I came back, the baby wasn't crying. Great job. And I'm like, I think that my eardrums have been blown out. I'm about to go crazy. Like this baby wouldn't stop crying and no matter what I did. And so I don't know if Sofia thinks it's funny. I don't know if Polina thinks it's funny.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  It's great. Maybe they have an agreement about it. You don't know.

• 54:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Listen, I'm not really sure what's going on, but I do know that the baby, when I'm alone with it, that we, uh, we have a unique relationship. So when Polina's around, the baby loves me. When not, screams.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  She's fine now.

• 54:33Anthony Pompliano?

  All right. You guys get to ask me and Mateo a question and then we'll ask you guys a question.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Yes, we have it. Polina, go ahead.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  I'm pulling it up. I'm pulling it up.

• 54:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay. You guys had to write it down.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  Hold on. Okay. If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or body of a 30 year old for the last 60 years of your life, which would you want?

• 54:52Anthony Pompliano?

  You go first.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  Between the mind and the body?

• 54:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. For the last 60 years of your life.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Oh, the mind?

• 54:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Mind. Easy. Not even close.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  I was so sure these guys were gonna say that.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 55:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:04Speaker 04

  I wasn't sure because you.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  Cause they're all about their ideas.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Exactly. It's all about being intellectually, you know?

• 55:12Speaker 04

  But if you're like.

• 55:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Why would you want your body, but not your mind? Like you would be like crazy, but have like a six pack? Like, I'm out.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  Depends on who you're trying to impress in your 90s.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Exactly. You could still get tons of wives with that, with the six pack.

• 55:24Anthony Pompliano?

  I don't know. They then talk to you and they're like, oh, this guy like doesn't remember my name.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  He's not all there.

• 55:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Like, like, is there ever a situation where you're optimizing for something where you wouldn't want your mind, but you would want your body?

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Which, by the way, then I have a theory also about the fact that all that really matters is your brain. And so at a certain point, we should switch to robots and our brain could control robots all over the world. And that is how you really achieve teletransportation.

• 55:51Anthony Pompliano?

  True. That is true.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  That took a turn.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  You could control a robot in Japan right now with your brain because at the end of the day, your body is just something is almost a commodity that day after day gets older. All that matters is your brain. If you can preserve your brain, you can live longer.

• 56:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. It's like, what is, what is the thing that people want to do when they teleport? Do they want to experience things or they want to do things? You could solve all the doing things.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  But Anthony.

• 56:17Anthony Pompliano?

  What?

• 56:18Speaker 04

  You complain about your back hurting like all the time. Now imagine having a 90 year old's body for 60 years.

• 56:24Anthony Pompliano?

  That's okay.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  No.

• 56:26Anthony Pompliano?

  But the worst thing would be, I can't even remember my own name. I can't read. I can't like, I'm talking to myself in the corner like.

• 56:35Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 56:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, yeah, if you lose your brain, that's exactly what it.

• 56:38Speaker 04

  No, but I think like a 90 year old's brain, it doesn't have, you don't have to be like completely out of it.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  But I do think it probably gets a little slower.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  It gets slower.

• 56:48Anthony Pompliano?

  I'll gladly have a bad back because the other thing is that money could solve a bad back, but it couldn't solve your brain. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. People could, they get, uh, what's his name? Shannon Sharpe's getting a hip replacement. Like, I mean, to get.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  You could get a good wheelchair too.

• 57:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, there's all kinds of things. The brain is like the last thing that money could solve, I think. And also it's the thing that probably has the most impact on your life that you just never think about because it's like, oh, like, of course I'm thinking.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, we couldn't have this conversation if you didn't have your brain.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  Right. But if I was 90, I, you could, guys could be having the conversation and I could jump in like five minutes later and be like, I have an idea.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  That's what you guys were saying.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:31Anthony Pompliano?

  All right. Last question is, what's the funniest story you have about your partner?

• 57:36Speaker 04

  Wait, I thought of two.

• 57:37Anthony Pompliano?

  No, you only can say one.

• 57:38Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 57:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, because this is me, so you can only say one. Go ahead. You go first.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  Should I?

• 57:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Sure.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  Should I do the?

• 57:45Anthony Pompliano?

  You do whatever you want. You have your own brain.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  Should I do the sponge one or the couch one?

• 57:50Anthony Pompliano?

  Sponge one's pretty good.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Okay. So.

• 57:53Anthony Pompliano?

  Every guy in the world is going to side with me on this, but go ahead.

• 57:58Speaker 04

  Not if they knew the circumstances. So when Anthony and I met, I was living in a small studio apartment in New York. And as we all know, those things are small. So I don't have a dishwasher, right? So first of all, and by the way, this is the only time that he has ever just voluntarily like washed the dishes. So I mean,

• 58:21Anthony Pompliano?

  Translation, I was washing the dishes.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  I'm in one side of the room and there's a small separation, like half wall. And then there's like the sink. So I don't see him, but I hear that he's washing the dishes. And I'm like, wow, look at this guy. And he's like, ah, like all the dishes. And I'm like, wait a second. So I look over and then I remember, or what I see is he's, there's a, there's a yellow sponge that I keep there for the dishes. But that day she threw up. So that day I had decided to clean the bathroom, including the toilet, including the bath, everything. And one sponge, the blue one that I used for that activity, I left on

• 59:08Speaker 04

  the side away from, like on the side of the sink, but away from, you know, the soap area. And then I realized that he washed the dishes with the toilet.

• 59:20Anthony Pompliano?

  It's a lot of explaining to explain there were two sponges. I didn't know that I was taking a quiz. I used the sponge that looked like I should, that had been used most recently.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  No, but the one that was furthest away from.

• 59:32Anthony Pompliano?

  One was dry, one was wet. I said, oh, it looks like she uses this one. So I took.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  Was there a label on the sponge?

• 59:39Anthony Pompliano?

  There was no system.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  No label on the framework. So.

• 59:43Anthony Pompliano?

  I could read her mind.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  But if there's two sponges, just ask.

• 59:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Ah, see, I'm self sufficient. I didn't need to ask. I got the plates clean ish. Alright Mateo, what do you got?

• 59:53Speaker 02

  So here is a funny story. So, no, in the past, I don't know, year, we went to many different furniture stores. And so when we go to these stores, sometimes we take pictures of the different furnitures and then we go back home and we look at the pictures again. And so most of the times, there is always a picture of her lying down on a couch.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  You gotta try it.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  I'm always trying that.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  I have dozens of pictures of her trying every couch on earth in these stores, even if we have a couch. She loves to try.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  It makes me look like I'm very lazy, you know, like I'm like the Kanye Kane.

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Because she's sitting properly. She's sitting like this. Like she looks tired and sleeping at the store.

• 1:00:37Speaker 04

  For Alex's birthday, I want a Twitter thread of all the couch photos.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  I think I deserve that because it's actually pretty hilarious. And sometimes Google Photos will surface the memories for him. And it's like all these, this collage of me on the couches. The one I was thinking about, which is more of sort of like an adventure, but okay, for those who know Mateo, they know that like once he sets his mind to something, he wants to make that happen. And he's also pretty like adventurous, like he takes a lot of risks. That's not probably like my nature, but I've learned over time to embrace his risk-taking. So we're in Italy a few years ago in the summer and we rent this small boat to go out in the water, just Mateo and I. And I trust him with my life. I'm like, you know, he evidently knows how to do everything, which, you know, he does. But also we're not like totally familiar with where we are. And the guy that rents us the boat says,

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  here's the places where you can go with this like small boat for two people. So, you know, you don't have that much gas. You shouldn't go that far. But Mateo's like, no, like I really want to go in this other part. And I'm like, we shouldn't because the guy told us not to go there, right? He told us to stay in this area. I really want to go there. So obviously we end up going there. We get lost. I'm shit scared that like, we're gonna be left in the middle of the open ocean. He's like-

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  It's the Mediterranean, it's not really an open ocean.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  Still, we were like-

• 1:01:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Somebody will find you.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  Two hours far away from the place where we actually had to make a turn.

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  Oh god.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  We're lost and obviously, he's like, well, let's use the phone. And so we use Google Maps.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  You're missing that the storm was coming as well and we were running out of gas. So don't miss the deal.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  So we started using Google Maps, because from, with Google Maps, you know, you can see the course and we understand where we are. And with Google Maps, in the middle of the ocean, we figured out how to get back home.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  How to get back.

• 1:02:23Anthony Pompliano?

  That doesn't sound like a funny story. That sounds like an amazing feat of navigator.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  We are resourceful.

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  It's the encapsulation of who he is. Like, he does this all the time. And so every time we're like, you know, we'll be somewhere and he'll take the street we shouldn't have taken. He'll do the thing people said we shouldn't do. So that was the first time I experienced that with him and I'm like, okay, this is just how it's gonna be. And I was just laughing about it. And it's like, I can't believe we survived thanks to Google Maps in the middle of the Mediterranean with our small boat running out of gas.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  But, thank you very much. But you got adventure out of it.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  It was an adventure, yeah.

• 1:02:58Anthony Pompliano?

  So the only story that I have about Polina that is worth telling is on one of our-

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Excuse me?

• 1:03:03Anthony Pompliano?

  No, like a funny, embarrassing one, is on our, one of our very first dates hanging out in New York City. We decided we were gonna go to the New York Public Library.

• 1:03:12Speaker 04

  Why you think this is funny? I will never know.

• 1:03:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, just wait. And so, you know, we meet out, like, outside the library or whatever. We go in. First of all, I didn't realize they have like metal detectors and like, I'm already like, what is this place? And so, we start walking around and we go up, you know, two, three flights of stairs or whatever we gotta do. And all of a sudden, we're walking down the hallway and Polina-

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  No, we're walking upstairs.

• 1:03:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Oh, she's walking up the stairs, okay. And all of a sudden, Polina yelps, like, ah, like that. And literally grabs with one of her hands, the back of her hamstring. And like, is like, like, as if she got shot. And I'm like, what's, what just happened? And she has like a, like a tote bag, I guess, or something in her hand. So I grabbed that out of her hand. I'm like, are you okay? And she's like, yeah, I think I just pulled my hamstring.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  You did?

• 1:04:06Anthony Pompliano?

  And I was like-

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  I thought it was funny.

• 1:04:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Literally, a nerd got, she pulled- Her hamstring in the New York Public Library, walking up the stairs.

• 1:04:14Speaker 04

  Very athletic.

• 1:04:15Anthony Pompliano?

  This is like the fourth or fifth time we've ever hung out. And I had like a serious come to Jesus moment. I was like, can I be with a person who could possibly pull their hamstring in the library? Like, this is something that I would mock and make fun of somebody back in like high school or something, but here we are.

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  Here we are.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  It worked out.

• 1:04:32Anthony Pompliano?

  You did pull your hamstring.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  Wait, do you guys think that you would be together if you knew each other in high school?

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. Hard no, too.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  I think it would have been a yes for you if you would have met me in high school.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  You would have what?

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  She was a, she was just there studying and her.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  I was the president of my class, too. Like, I was, I was popular.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  I was popular. People elected me.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, like the president of the class.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, like you had to be popular for people to vote for you.

• 1:05:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Anthony Pompliano?

  I could have never been seen with the president of the class or anything.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Me neither.

• 1:05:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Image to keep up.

• 1:05:08Speaker 04

  I told Anthony, I was like, when I was in high school, I was in the journalism club. So I like, I was like, it's really cool. Like you go and you interview the principal. And he was like, oh God, I did not want to be anywhere near the principal.

• 1:05:19Anthony Pompliano?

  I was trying to avoid the principal.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Usually when I was meeting the principal, it was not for a good reason, at least for me.

• 1:05:27Anthony Pompliano?

  He was for sure filling out reports, but it wasn't. All right, before we go, plug Eight Sleep real quick. Where, Plin and I sleep on it every single night. Where should people go if they want to buy Eight Sleep?

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Well, given how much we talked about marriage and stuff, it is the perfect bed setup for couples.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  What a pitch. Can we tell the story of the other night of the big influencer?

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  Oh my God, yeah, the one that I found on my Instagram.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  I'm not going to say her name because she will eventually share. She's sleeping in a pod, but it was hilarious. Like, it was like two nights ago. I'm going through Instagrams. I always do because I love Instagram. And I see this woman who has multiple millions of followers, who I follow and I love her content. And she's like this young influencer entrepreneur. And she says, oh, like I've been sleeping on this bed that I really love, like me and my, I don't know what the name of her boyfriend is, and we really love it. And I've been sleeping so great. And it has this like cooling and heating technology and it's not indoors. And so, you know, I'll keep using it and then I'll tell you all how, like, what's the brand? Once I use it more, because like my Oura ring is telling me like my scores are through the roof. And I'm like, oh my God, like this has to be a pod and you my heart starts racing. I'm like, oh my God, like she's talking about the pod, of course.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  So I DM her and I'm like, she's never gonna see this. Like she has millions of followers. I'm not blue check, like no one's gonna see my message.

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  Are we talking about Kim Kardashian?

• 1:06:46Anthony Pompliano?

  No.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  That I would probably have disclosed.

• 1:06:49Speaker 04

  And her boyfriend, I can't remember his name.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  But she answered, she's like, yeah, like it is a pod and like she was so excited. She's like, that's amazing that you have this company and blah, blah, blah. I was like, that was so cool.

• 1:07:00Speaker 04

  That's.

• 1:07:01Anthony Pompliano?

  So did she post yet?

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Well, she hasn't disclosed as a pod. So then what happened is I'm a creeper. I'm just going through all her pictures where you could see the bed behind.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  Oh my. Yeah, she started saying, oh, I can see some dark over behind her. The bed sheets is probably a pod.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  It is a pod for sure. And then she confirmed it was a pod. But so, yeah, I mean.

• 1:07:18Anthony Pompliano?

  So she is gonna post?

• 1:07:20Speaker 03

  Well, she'll eventually like share that it is that that's the brand name. Yeah.

• 1:07:24Anthony Pompliano?

  I mean, how many nights do you have to sleep on it before you're comfortable saying it works? Like pretty much after night one.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  So if you're a couple and you're looking for conversation starters, check out the profile, the profile.

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  Anthony doesn't think that was funny.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  Hey. What is this game? She wasn't supportive of the profile.

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, she did not support that pitch.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Does she need like a profile wantsy?

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, she has one.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  She does?

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:54Anthony Pompliano?

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