NFL Pro Bowl to Super Bowl: Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor & Channing Crowder talking Patrick Mahomes vs Jalen Hurts, Andy Reid , new coaches, Glory holes, Duuuval, fear of failure, American Airlines tragedy a reminder of life is short

“Life is not about scoreboard watching.” Ryan Clark The Super Bowl match up is set and we are down in Orlando with all the guys who didn’t make it but had insane seasons this year! That’s right, we got the fellas together down here at the Pro Bowl and we are talking the Big Game in the Big Easy, the Quarterback match ups, Andy Reid’s greatness, reality of fan culture, new coach hires, personal fears and how we adjust to the unpredictable moments of life. Ryan, Channing and Fred bring a blend of insight, humor, raw honesty as the trio goes beyond the actual games and talk storylines surrounding the top headlines. Recapping some of the new coach hires of course starting in Duuuval as Fred shares his reaction to the man in charge and not what he said but how he said it to make it the most played sound bite in sports! Continuing around the league, the guys have fun trying to make sense of Jerry Jones’ use of the expression Glory hole while Channing weighs in on his own take on what that means which turns into one of the more hilarious stories on the show! Turning attention to next week’s game, the powerhouse match up between Philadelphia and Kansas City as the Chiefs try to make history with a three-peat while it’s a battle of two highly talented quarterbacks with Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts. Ryan reflects on how, just two years ago, the focus was solely on their race, but today, it’s about their ability as elite quarterbacks—a sign of progress. The conversation continues on how rephrasing the way we talk about black quarterbacks is evolving and we should continue to push the narrative to be on the talent, skill and who the athletes are as people not defined by skin color. Fred brings up the unapologetic behaviors of fans and how there is no accountability which Ryan agrees where Channing chimes in that being heckled and shit talked by fans comes with the territory when people sign up to be paid millions of dollars to play a sport. Pivoting to the sad reality for so many, The guys reflect and send a heartfelt message to those impacted by the tragedy of the American Airlines Flight 5342 and use it as a reminder not to take life for granted and understand you never know how the simple things we do daily can not always going as planned. The guys take a moment and chat about they fear in life whether it’s a big over arching fear or something fun in the moment that scares them as Ryan, Channing and Fred each share what’s on their mind which leads into a deeper look about the fear of failure by the pressure of success. As we wrap the conversation, Ryan leaves the guys asking if they could go back in time to redo an awkward moment in life, what would it be and why….the responses are interesting and show a little deeper look into some of the moments that shaped who the guys are today. Don’t forget to hit the subscribe button and follow along with us on our social to get the latest updates and guest surprises. Pivot Family we have a special offer for you to help balance your lifestyle and better eating habits! Use code 50PIVOT to get 50% OFF plus free shipping on your first Factor box at https://bit.ly/40yF3k1! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Ryan Clark?

  Fellas, back again. Pivot, three-man weave, is what I like to call it. Back at the Pro Bowl. It's always fun to be here. Best players in the NFL, well, the ones who are not playing in the Super Bowl next week.

• 1:34Ryan Clark?

  This is Fred Taylor, this is Channing Crowder. I'm RC, Pivot fam. Thank you for always pivoting with us. I mean, I think it's only one place to start, because we're a really serious show. And we're serious about our sports, you know? And I think where we start is DuVall.

• 1:54Ryan Clark?

  Freddie. You got him Freddie.

• 1:59Fred Taylor?

  That one was suspect. That was suspect.

• 2:02Ryan Clark?

  Whoa Liam Cohen.

• 2:04Fred Taylor?

  Yeah. You know, you gotta be from there in order to know how to put the soul in it. If you're not from the Bangum, you wouldn't know because it's not your ordinary fan chant. And his brother knew, right? And when he was like, Duval. I just think the eyebrows and the look and the gesture. But that wasn't his first one. And that goes to show you how social media is. They kind of take what they want to take and kind of run with it. Because his first one, he was doing a selfie in front of the staff. His introductory one was, it was spot on. Definitely Freddie T approved. But that one after that, that was suspect.

• 2:43Ryan Clark?

  Well, that's the one the world got to see. The world got to see. That is the one the world got to see.

• 2:48Fred Taylor?

  No, that's the one the world wanted. I mean, but it's fun, right? There's nothing serious. But again, it just reminds me of how social media takes what they want to take. And they really run with it. And it's a mix of serious and fun, right? If you put both of them side by side, he got the swag to get it done. And I told a couple of people, they asked me about the hire because I hit up Raheem. You know, I hit up McVeigh, I hit up a few coaches to see what he was like, whatever, before I text him. And it was like, Ra said he got swag. And when I text a few people in the building that, oh, he has swag, he's gonna be cool. They was like, that's swag? Not the Duval. It was like Freddie, you tripping, but I co-signed it.

• 3:31Ryan Clark?

  I think it's cool, but it does remind me of how we sort of like, look at these introductory press conferences and you pick it apart. Remember, in my estimation, two of the most successful coaches in the NFL had questionable press conferences. Everybody laughed at Dan Campbell because he was talking about biting kneecaps. Right? Nick Sirianni looked like he wrote his and forgot what the hell he wanted to say. And people crushed him. Like, I remember like, whether it was First Take, like, we all laughed at what these dudes did. And now I look at them, right? Dan Campbell's turned around Detroit. Nick Sirianni's going to his second Super Bowl. But there's also Adam Gase, right?

• 4:16Ryan Clark?

  Remember Adam Gase was on that thing with his eyes open like this? You know what I mean? And we were trying to figure out what happened with him. And then the Jets do what they do. And it was so crazy to me because I knew Adam when I was in college. He was a G A. under Nick Saban. And so it was weird to see that progression. So I agree, man. Like, we look at these things and we kind of judge based on what we want to judge. But the Duval, it was just funny because you could see he had been prepared for his moment. And it didn't land the way it was supposed to in that in that sense.

• 4:51Channing Crowder?

  They should have put the accent on the U and not the A. Like, you gotta, you gotta write it up as D. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Duval.

• 5:00Fred Taylor?

  It's U, U, U.

• 5:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, it's a U, U, U. Like, he, but you had to put the O's in that bitch like Duval. And they ain't do it. We always talk about how there's not, there's really not 32 good quarterbacks in this world.

• 5:14Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 5:14Channing Crowder?

  There's really not 32 good head coaches in this world. I think the Brian Schottenheimer hire of Dallas was a panic hire. I don't know Liam Corn. Like you say, you did research, Freddie. I don't know what this dude, I've never heard of him in my life. When you see that name come across the bottom of ESPN, I had to Google what he looks like. Because I, I don't, I don't think there's top, now you bring up Nick Sirianni, you bring up Dan Campbell. There were two dudes that excelled at what they did. But there are so many dudes that fail at what they do. It is hard to be an NFL head coach. And that's when they were like, oh, he calls good offense. I said, can he call good offense? And?

• 5:55Fred Taylor?

  Micromanage.

• 5:56Channing Crowder?

  Micromanage the team?

• 5:57Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 5:58Channing Crowder?

  And that's the thing too. Even Ben Johnson with Caleb Williams in, in Chicago. They were like, yeah, he's, he's, he's a, he's a great, he's a quarterback whisperer. Can he quarterback whisper and also micromanage the team as a head coach? And be able to macro and micromanage? That's the thing.

• 6:14Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 6:16Channing Crowder?

  I've never heard of Liam Corn before in my life. I think it was a panic hire. And I don't think they put the, the N Y's over the right letters when they told him what to say, Freddie.

• 6:26Fred Taylor?

  Just looking at it, a lot of it too in this, in this cycle is, is timing. Because the staff. Your team can only be as good as your staff and how they can relate to the players, their teaching methods and all of that. That's very important. So if you're not a veteran coach, where you are able to go out and really build a quality staff, then you struggle from the onset. But I firmly believe that regardless of that introductory press conference with Liam, as long as he's not as bad as Urban Meyer, then everything is okay. And you mentioned Shadi, right? One of my college teammates. I'm praying for the best for Shadi. I'm praying for the best for Shadi for Alicia's sake as a Cowboys fan.

• 7:09Fred Taylor?

  But yeah, it's, um, it seemed like a panic hire by Jerry, but it's Jerry's world and Jerry gets to do what he wants to. That's just my take.

• 7:18Ryan Clark?

  Man, bottom line is Jerry Jones was talking about that, man. And Jerry Jones said it was a huge risk because he ain't never been a head coach. Liam Cohen ain't never been no head coach. Ben Johnson ain't never been no head coach. But I'm just saying, there's all kind of coaches in this actual coaching cycle that weren't head coaches, but none of those teams are saying that it's a big risk because they vetted those head coaches to know that those head coaches would be good head coaches. The Jets hired a coach who has never been a head coach, but he was a great player for the Jets. He was a great player in this league. He's a great defensive coordinator at Detroit. So they know that he could do the job. Now, I want to get to the real crux of what Jerry said.

• 8:03Ryan Clark?

  Jerry said that this league ain't about smiles and glory holes. It ain't gonna be about all smiles and glory holes round here.

• 8:13Channing Crowder?

  Why he said glory holes?

• 8:14Ryan Clark?

  It's the second time Jerry done talked about NFL not being about glory holes.

• 8:18Channing Crowder?

  That's his search on Pornhub. That's his search on Pornhub. I, I'm not a glory hole guy. I don't know on the other side of that wall. I'm a visual person. I, I need to see who's on the other side of that glory hole wall. Yeah, man. Jerry's weird. He's weird.

• 8:36Channing Crowder?

  It is a, a take back to the cowboy. What, you know, all the jokes and all and that this man want to do glory hole and he is putting himself in things that other owners don't. And they shouldn't. And we've talked about a number of times with Irvin. And Irvin came out talking about it. Troy Aikman's talked about it. Man, this man has to understand that he cannot be that owner GM. That is the dumbest thing in the world to me. And that's what Jerry's doing. And I do not approve of it. And Jerry, stop bringing up your Pornhub searches in press conferences. If you want to talk about glory holes, I don't know the other side of that wall. I've never been in the bathroom. I've had my foot tapped.

• 9:21Channing Crowder?

  You know in airports, they tap you. Have you ever heard that? When they tap your foot under the, under the stall?

• 9:26Ryan Clark?

  I've never heard that, dawg.

• 9:27Channing Crowder?

  People tap your foot under the stall in airport. I've had my foot tapped before and stall on the airport and I, I, I didn't, I was not interested in what's on the other side of that wall. So I pulled my little foot back and just kept doing my business. But yeah, man, no, you, I, I, I'm a, I'm a businessable person, but Jerry needs to get the hell out of. He need, he needs to find a person to run football operations. Cause he's not good at it. He, what is it? Hey, what is it? Irvin, Emmett, Irvin, Emmett and Troy?

• 9:58Ryan Clark?

  Hey, bro.

• 9:58Channing Crowder?

  Them motherfuckers is 60.

• 10:00Ryan Clark?

  Hey, dawg.

• 10:00Channing Crowder?

  And these mother- Not one, Jerry does not understand that he can't run this show.

• 10:05Ryan Clark?

  We analyze sports or other shows. I don't care nothing about whether or not the Dallas Cowboys are going to be good. What I care about is the fact that Jerry Jones continues to talk about glory holes and nobody tells him it's wrong or right. Like, nobody says, hey, Jerry, I know that you know about oil money. And glory hole means something different to miners. It means something different to people who are searching for the black crude oil that made folks rich or whatever show that was that they were talking about. They had crude oil, that is. Whatever show that was back in the day that was black and white when it started. That's one thing. But we, but people, right? Who have minds like yours, because my mind don't go there. I know that your mind go there.

• 10:49Channing Crowder?

  Right there.

• 10:49Ryan Clark?

  You talking about the partition with the little hole in it.

• 10:52Channing Crowder?

  With the hole in it.

• 10:53Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that's what you thinking. And Jerry gotta understand that most people, especially in the day and age of wifi, in the day and age of the internet, in the day and age where you could just type in the thing and you ain't even gotta go get the VHS tape with Debbie Does Dallas no more, right? When you say glory hole, Jerry, smiles and glory holes, they thinking about the smiles that was provided by the glory holes that ain't had nothing to do with drilling and mining and finding your glory or your money in something else.

• 11:26Channing Crowder?

  This, this is, this is a revelation to me. Glory hole has something to do with oil?

• 11:33Fred Taylor?

  Striking gold.

• 11:34Ryan Clark?

  So, really?

• 11:35Fred Taylor?

  Mining, striking gold.

• 11:36Ryan Clark?

  Chris Long.

• 11:37Channing Crowder?

  Man, everybody know what glory hole is. I seen those, I seen those texts.

• 11:43Fred Taylor?

  You just nasty, Chan.

• 11:45Channing Crowder?

  No, what the? Glory hole? Your mind pops up as 87 premium? No, bitch. I know what a glory hole is. And Jerry needs to understand what a glory hole is. He enjoy, he enjoys what I think about the glory hole more than what the oil side of the glory hole.

• 12:04Ryan Clark?

  It's mining, so I don't know if it's for sure oil.

• 12:07Channing Crowder?

  I've mined before.

• 12:08Ryan Clark?

  Tris Long did a post about it. It's an antiquated mining term.

• 12:12Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I've mined.

• 12:15Fred Taylor?

  You don't mine.

• 12:16Channing Crowder?

  I do.

• 12:16Fred Taylor?

  You don't mine. What, what Jerry said, which I probably agree with is, he said it'll be a small percentage of smiles.

• 12:22Channing Crowder?

  And glory hole.

• 12:23Fred Taylor?

  And glory holes, but you should say glory days. Because it's been forever since the glory days and the glory years. And I saw something they pointed out. They put a side by side during the playoffs when they talk about Jaden. And they, they had Dak. Two playoff games won in Dak's entire tenure and Jaden won two in his rookie year. Crazy compares NFC East, but it is what it is. Jerry wants to get back to those days, the glory days. But yeah, man, speaking of Jaden, man, in the playoffs, the NFC East, man, you got an NFC East monster in the Super Bowl. What y'all think?

• 12:57Channing Crowder?

  Phew, I'm not betting against Michael Jordan anymore. And that's what Patrick Mahomes is.

• 13:04Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 13:04Channing Crowder?

  Like, why would you do that? You know, bro, I saw in the AFC Championship game that Spags had something up his sleeve, Andy Reid had something up his sleeve, and Patrick Mahomes can, Chris Jones, them boys, McDuffie, your boy McDuffie.

• 13:20Ryan Clark?

  Monsters.

• 13:21Channing Crowder?

  Bro, monsters. They have, they have a bunch of monsters on the team, and Spags is gonna be ready defensively, and Andy's gonna call a hell of a game. On them third downs in the fourth quarter, there was nothing that the Bills could do. They were gonna get a goddamn first down. And I was watching it with them cross routes and them goddamn, what they call it, the pickle wick, what's that shit they call?

• 13:44Ryan Clark?

  Mesh.

• 13:44Channing Crowder?

  The mesh routes and, and the goddamn, the Tom and Jerry's and all that shit. Bro, I'm-

• 13:49Ryan Clark?

  Tom and Jerry's, the motion, back out, yeah?

• 13:51Channing Crowder?

  Bro, I'm watching this, and I'm, I'm sitting, I'm at, I'm at a watch party, and I'm telling them, I was like, third and seven, I said, watch, somebody's gonna be wide the fuck open. And they were wide open. Andy, Spags, Pat, I'm not betting against them ever again.

• 14:05Ryan Clark?

  The touchdown for Patrick Mahomes on the run, not the first one, but the zone read, they hadn't run that play the entire year. They stole it from the Baltimore Ravens.

• 14:17Channing Crowder?

  Oh, Big Red, Big Red is a mon- I don't know if people understand it. We love Bill Belichick. Andy Reid is right there on his heels to be the GOAT of football. I was playing when Andy was in Philly. And I remember, I've told the story before on this goddamn show. Bro, it would be plays that they come out in formations, and you'd be like- Four tight ends. Who puts four tight ends on the field? But Andy would do it, just to make you think about it. Andy Reid is a genius at play calling. And I'm telling you, when you get to that fourth quarter with him and Spags on both sides of the ball, I do not love Nick Sirianni's crew, Vic Fangio.

• 15:02Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 15:02Channing Crowder?

  He's a great DC. They are not gonna be ready for Big Red and Spags in that fourth quarter. And it's gonna be a single-digit game. And you know that little funny talking, Kermit the Frog voice, little boy is going to go down there and score a touchdown.

• 15:17Ryan Clark?

  You know what I thought was cool is Andy Reid being one of the greatest to ever do it. Starting to submit himself, to me, right behind Bill Belichick, above the Chuck Knowles, above the Bill Walshes and some of these other coaches that we hold in high esteem. But him speaking of Patrick Mahomes so highly. And what Patrick Mahomes was able to do to elevate his career. Nick Sirianni on the podium, understanding the way Jalen Hurts has sort of been, you know, discredited throughout this run to the Super Bowl, because it's not the same as it was two years ago. Saying, "My quarterback's pretty damn good, isn't he?"

• 16:00Ryan Clark?

  Because he understood the outside perception. And then like you fast forward to this game now, and it's the second meeting between two African-American quarterbacks, starting for a team in the Super Bowl. It just happens to be the same, too. And I remember shows making a point of it last time. And when shows made a point of it that, or when we made a point of it that Jalen and Patrick, was the first time two African-American quarterbacks faced off in the Super Bowl, you got to point to their fathers, who has sewn into their lives, who were very present individuals in their homes and in the lives of their children that helped them. Become and grow into what they are as leaders and as players. And I thought that that was so poetic.

• 16:45Ryan Clark?

  What I think is beautiful this time is you don't have to mention it. We don't have to talk about it because that position has progressed and has evolved to where I think people just see both of these quarterbacks as leaders, as men, as extremely good football players that can help teams win Super Bowls. But it brought me to something else. I was sitting with Marcus Freeman last week and he was kind of talking about all of the questions or all of the coverage of him being the first black head coach to be in the college football playoff championship. You know, and how it was covered in different ways.

• 17:28Ryan Clark?

  And I tried to explain to him, Coach, if your answer is black enough, it's not going to be inclusive enough. And if your answer is inclusive enough, it's not going to be black enough. Right? Like, there is no winning there, no matter how hard you try, no matter how heartfelt the answer is. But I did tell him, your job is to be an amazing representation of what we can be. When I was having the back and forth with, you know, whether it was the Marcellus thing, Michelle Tafoya, or any of that, somebody asked me a question. Do I think that people see black quarterbacks as black quarterbacks?

• 18:10Ryan Clark?

  And I said, well, I think we're getting to a point to where when they see a black quarterback, it's not the first thing that they think. I think when black quarterbacks are living their lives away from the grass, they do see a black man.

• 18:24Ryan Clark?

  And he's like, well, do you think it's important? I said, I don't know if it's important to the rest of the world, but it's important to our community. And he asked me, the next question was, when do you think we'll stop pointing it out? I said probably when we stop having first. I said because for the American culture, especially the Caucasian culture, you've had all of these things and access to all of these things your entire life, throughout history. Our culture and our communities haven't. So when there's only two black head coaches in the Big Ten, when there's no black head coaches in the SEC, that's why Marcus Freeman is important because he's a representation that it can be done a certain way.

• 19:07Ryan Clark?

  And I believe that first should be pointed out for everybody, not just black people, Samoans and Asians and Latinos, right? Because these are all people who are trying to continue to come up. And my last thing is this, I remember, so last week or this week when we were sitting, Greenie, Rex, Dan were all rooting for Josh Allen.

• 19:32Ryan Clark?

  I didn't see that as racist or racial or any of those things. I saw it as you see this person that you're familiar with, this person that resonates with you, this person that you could see some of yourself in, and you want to see that person win. And I think that's okay. Because it's exactly what we do. Not because we're racist, just because we could see ourself in it, because it's familiar to us. And so I think when you look at this Super Bowl, it's another representation of great leadership of all colors. The Nick Sirianni's and the Andy Reeds, the Patrick Mahomes and the Jalen Hurts, the Travis Kelce's and the Dallas Goddards. Doesn't matter what it looks like.

• 20:17Ryan Clark?

  It matters how it resonates and how it makes the locker room better. And so I'm excited to see this game for all of those reasons, because I think we all win.

• 20:25Fred Taylor?

  I just want to see a great game down in New Orleans. Get some great food while we down there, man, do a lot of amazing shows. Big question though is the Chiefs indoors versus the Eagles indoors. Speed, you got a team that can get after another team just playing zone coverage. It'll be interesting. Uh, but Chan, I gotta push back on you. You can't say that about Patrick. The Kermit the Frog sounded, Britney gonna get your ass, man.

• 20:50Ryan Clark?

  Who's gonna beat my ass?

• 20:51Fred Taylor?

  That's what happened with the Bills fan. The Bills fan was hanging the Kermit off the rope, which came across as very offensive. This happened back in November when the Bills beat the Chiefs.

• 21:02Channing Crowder?

  He talks funny, Fred.

• 21:04Fred Taylor?

  They got their last laugh, but you can't do and say certain things, man.

• 21:07Channing Crowder?

  He talks funny. I can say what the hell I want when he talks to me.

• 21:10Fred Taylor?

  I don't think he sound like Kermit the Frog.

• 21:11Channing Crowder?

  He talks funny. He does. And that's, you know what, funny about the race stuff, it's hilarious to me. I've said this a number of times. Josh Allen has a black quarterback playing style.

• 21:27Ryan Clark?

  Skill set.

• 21:29Channing Crowder?

  He has a, I think, so I'm gonna say this though. He is a white Cam Newton.

• 21:34Ryan Clark?

  I want to say this. I think we have to move past saying it's a black quarterback playing style. And I know you're comparing him to a black quarterback, but we have to be very specific. It's a dual threat playing style. Now, if you say that his comp is a black player, then that's fine, because they have the same skill set, the power of running. But I do think like we have to move it past that, because I believe that hurts the Jalen Hurst's and it hurts the Lamar Jackson's, because Steve Young played football this way. And I think that's where we have to start to move on our side with our conversation,

• 22:18Ryan Clark?

  so we progress the conversation forward. So it can't be thrown back at us that we speak about it this way or feel this way about it. Josh Allen is just extremely talented. Josh can run, he's strong, he's tough. Everything about that player and everything about Josh Allen is something that you love because it's football. Like, as a defensive dude? I want, I want Josh Allen on my team. The same way as a defensive dude, I wanted Cam Newton on my team because I knew when we walked into the stadium. See, what happens sometimes is like, you walk into the stadium and you felt like you got to protect your quarterback. And not from like this emotional and mental standpoint. It's like, man, y'all better block for this dude. Like, I don't know how he could hold up.

• 23:02Ryan Clark?

  Like, I love Kirk Cousins, but Kirk Cousins is a little dude that's just gonna stand there and get beat up on. Josh, I'm like, nah, go ahead. Let your nickel back come through here. I should be like that with Ben. It's okay, they ain't gotta block him. Ben gonna get it, he gonna break the tackle. And like Josh is the same way. Like, he's a football player. Like, I just think we gotta move past saying, with that though.

• 23:23Channing Crowder?

  But to the conversation of speaking of that, I would say I look at Lamar and Jalen Hurts different than I look at Patrick.

• 23:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they play different styles of football.

• 23:33Channing Crowder?

  They play different styles of football, but the way they hold themselves. Like, the whole jokes about how Jalen Hurts walked into the NFC Championship game looking like a Black Panther. And how he is, he stands on business as a black man. Lamar the same way. Lamar's a little, he's, we talked about, bro, the dude is straight Florida. Full grills, like, okay, that's the culture. Patrick isn't like that.

• 23:58Ryan Clark?

  Which is okay.

• 23:59Channing Crowder?

  Which is, oh, I'm saying it's okay. Patrick, even Jaden, Jaden isn't like no, you know, I would say like a hood dude, whatever. But we've been around Jaden. He's very confident in himself. He's who he is. So that's what I think, to your conversation, RC, I'm telling you. That's what like the, what is black? What is a black quarterback? What is, what do you resonate with? What is that affiliation to that you wanna tag yourself to? There are different gradations and it shouldn't be that way. Josh Allen's a great quarterback. Jared Goff is a great quarterback.

• 24:36Ryan Clark?

  Just different.

• 24:37Channing Crowder?

  Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback. Lamar Jackson's a great quarterback. Like. We always have to put the race behind it because that's what everybody wants to do. And that's what they do because we are 400 years behind. 1963 is when Jim Crow was, so we were an animal.

• 24:54Ryan Clark?

  It's very.

• 24:55Channing Crowder?

  We were an animal 50 years ago compared to other people. So that's why I think people attach to it. But you have to find something that relates with you. I think that's why Steph Curry is so relatable because he looks like a normal person doing superhero stuff.

• 25:10Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Channing Crowder?

  Where you can't relate with a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.

• 25:14Ryan Clark?

  That's why.

• 25:14Channing Crowder?

  This man runs a 4-2 at 240.

• 25:16Ryan Clark?

  That's why Steph Curry changed the game though, right? Because you look at LeBron and you're like, you can't, I can't do that.

• 25:24Channing Crowder?

  6'8".

• 25:24Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you look at Jordan and it's like this man just jumped from the free throw line, switched the ball 16 times, turned backwards, hit his hand like this and it went in.

• 25:32Channing Crowder?

  Can't do that.

• 25:33Ryan Clark?

  Wait, if I go shoot a lot, if I really practice this, I can, and no, you actually can't shoot the ball like him, no matter how many shots you take, because he's, there's only been one of him forever involved. But people feel like I can be that tall, I can be that athletic and I can learn this skill. That's a different thing, but I also think.

• 25:52Channing Crowder?

  What about Katelyn Clark? Same thing.

• 25:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 25:55Channing Crowder?

  Oh, I'm Lil Katelyn Clark, I'm Lil, Ava plays basketball, these little girl talking about, yeah, Lil Katelyn. Yo ass ain't no Lil Katelyn Clark. Yo ass is a little white girl that can shoot the ball, that throws it real hard at the rim. You're not Katelyn Clark.

• 26:07Ryan Clark?

  I think that's also why like fans get sideways. You know, Fred mentioned the Brittany Mahomes post where she's like, hey, do y'all remember this? And unfortunately, and I get how it works, right? When they did it, it was in response to beating the Kansas City Chiefs. And Patrick Mahomes gets to Kermit the Frog jokes all the time, right? The Raiders got out of pocket and did that because they were able to beat them last year on Christmas. Then they got their butt kicked by him and the duo wins all the time, right? And that level, like the level of greatness that Patrick Mahomes has sort of achieved is going to create contempt.

• 26:49Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, you're going to feel a certain way about it. And it's very much like Nick Saban once said. He was like, "Look, like mediocrity and excellence can't coexist." Those who are obsessed with excellence hate mediocrity. Mediocrity is always going to be envious of excellence because they aren't willing to put in what it takes to get that. But the Kermit the Frog thing could be funny, but to me, at any point, I don't care how you see any man, whether it's a white man, but especially a man that's biracial, you don't hang a representation of them

• 27:31Ryan Clark?

  by any part of the body to anything that you can hang it to. Right. You don't. And, like, let's be real. If it was Jalen Hurts, if it was Jaden Daniels, if it was a representation of Lamar Jackson, we all would've lost our minds. I'm gonna be honest, I didn't see it when it happened. It only was brought to my attention by Brittany Mahomes reposting it. But think about even when it happened, if that was a Lamar Jackson representation, it would've been everywhere. Would've been hot. Right? And so it does sort of go to the way people are seen differently.

• 28:16Ryan Clark?

  Because even Black America wasn't on to it then. Hey, man, everybody has, like, these New Year's resolutions. And mine was to get healthier. But it's hard, dawg, when you on the road, you traveling, you at airports. So Factor meals have helped me. First off, it's fresh, never frozen. And, you know, I'm a little bougie now, so I like anything where they say gourmet chefs use the highest quality ingredients. But that's what Factor meals has been for me, bruh. Stuff I can get up fast, easy, no hassle, but made with the highest quality ingredients.

• 28:41Channing Crowder?

  Bruh, and you say gourmet chefs because the food is delicious. It's helped us with our family. The kids get home, they gotta go to sports. I don't have time to cook no real meals. We don't get no fast food to fuel your body to play a sport. Man, Factor has the meals right there, fresh, never frozen, so the kids can get nutrition right before sports, and it's quick, right there, already made. I love Factor.

• 28:57Ryan Clark?

  I mean, you probably need to use it for you, not worry about the kids, because this dietitian approved. Like, you ain't really been getting right up in this area.

• 29:03Channing Crowder?

  Hey, man, you see that midsection?

• 29:05Fred Taylor?

  Y'all guys are funny. I think for me, man, I just love the simplicity. Y'all know I'm simple. Long as it's quick, it's two minutes to get it done. I can change my orders up. I can pause it. I can start it back. I can get as many meals a week as I want. Simple, man. It works.

• 29:16Channing Crowder?

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• 29:31Ryan Clark?

  I saw like recently Bradley Beal's wife had to come out and defend him as a human. And say that, hey, players are human. Imagine you trying to hoop, your old lady and your child are being heckled by fans. You know what I'm saying? Like it's one thing to come at me. Like that's like, that's the difference between basketball. Like it's one thing to come at me, but to go at my family? And now it's the, it's the same thing if they calling Freddie T. Fragile Freddie, right? Or if they coming at me because I got beat deep, or if they on you because you missing tackles. That's so like, that's your job, right?

• 30:14Ryan Clark?

  That's our job and they pay money and they can say what they can, but you can't talk to my family. You can't talk to my kids. And I think that's the thing that people who sit in the stands miss is like, trust me. I want to be good at this more than you want me to be good at this. I want to win at this more than you want me to win at this. Cause motherfucker, you ain't do no work to get here.

• 30:38Channing Crowder?

  But RC, I honestly, bro, I push back on that. That's part of the job. Bradley Beal this year, I just looked it up, making 50 meal. Bradley Beal is making over half a million dollars a game.

• 30:52Fred Taylor?

  They don't give you no right to get sideways.

• 30:54Channing Crowder?

  Bro, it, it, it's part of, it's, no, no, no.

• 30:57Fred Taylor?

  You don't, you don't get, you just outright.

• 30:58Channing Crowder?

  Not on my family, this is the thing. There's not a right. But when I leave this arena, I'm walking out of here with $580,000 for tonight.

• 31:09Channing Crowder?

  You're going to do whatever you want to do. The reason why people pay because they want to watch great players. They watching Bradley Beal play, they watching Book, they watching Brad, they watching KD in Phoenix. And they're paying their money so that you can make 50 million dollars a year. Deal with it and your family has to deal with it.

• 31:28Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, we get that, but at the same time, right? These fans are very selective and they're heckling. My people go to a game. You got my wife and friends over here and you got the Goonies over here. Yeah, I'm not saying that over here. You're not saying that. You're not gonna say trade that bum ass bitch for Jimmy Butler. You're not saying that because they gonna be on your head. Now, if she happens to hear it and my kids hear it and start crying, that's a whole different thing. I gotta tell them, we gotta be, you know, we gotta have tough skin. Because that's what crazy fans do. But if you say it over here, like that's gonna get handled, right? The security ain't gotta kick you out. They gonna drag your ass out.

• 32:13Fred Taylor?

  So fans kind of pick and choose who to rub and how to go about it. And then a lot of times too, they get so inebriated and they consume so much alcohol before the game, during the game, and they get out of their minds and they say stuff. And if security don't interject, you know, interject, then it's an issue. So I think it was wrong, the words they chose, how they offended the kid and disrespected Bradley in front of his wife. And the NBA has always had an issue with that. A lot more than the NFL, you know? And I don't know if because these fans are right on top of the players, they can say and, you know, they're right here, you can be blatantly disrespectful.

• 32:55Fred Taylor?

  More so than the NFL arena because they're way back there. We barely can even hear them. We have to sometimes turn around and kind of pick the fight with them. But the experiences that I've had where anybody said anything crazy about me, it was checked.

• 33:12Fred Taylor?

  It didn't happen in that immediate circle much more after that. Cause I had the same seats every game.

• 33:18Channing Crowder?

  You making fifty million dollars a year, get a box then.

• 33:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 33:21Channing Crowder?

  Honestly with Bradley Beal, don't have, don't have your wife and kids in 18, 18 G. Get a goddamn box. My only, here's my only pushback.

• 33:31Ryan Clark?

  And here's, and here's, this is honestly how I feel. I do feel like fans get to say what they want to say.

• 33:40Fred Taylor?

  Very true.

• 33:40Ryan Clark?

  Right? I also feel like as a fan, as somebody who has been to a game, and it is much different when you're in a, a college setting, because a lot of times you're around parents, right? And when you get your tickets from the kids, it's everybody that's around. But there's the parent section and sometimes fans are in that section. And so for me, if I'm at a Notre Dame game and Riley doesn't throw a good pass, I might be like, oh, come on Riley, you gotta hit that. I'm not gonna crush the kid. I'm not gonna treat him like he's supposed to be something different and these kids get paid. And if I'm sitting in that area and I see Riley's parents or I'm close to them

• 34:24Ryan Clark?

  and there's some other parent that is dogging him or there's a fan that's doing it, I always I am right away because I understand what their, what their parents are going through. Their parents want to see them succeed too. Because he got a million dollars in NIL or 650,000 in NIL, like, you can't, you don't get to put them through that. That's my opinion. And so if you say that and, and I know fans are smart enough to know this, they know his people right there too.

• 34:53Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 34:54Ryan Clark?

  Right? And I'm with Freddie in this, don't be no coward, right? Don't say it around a woman and children because no matter, you feel like no matter what happens, there's a win there for you. Right? And if she turns around and you realize like you wasn't supposed to say it, just say, I apologize. Out of all, no disrespect, that's my feeling, but I can hold off on that tonight. And I just think like that's part of it, like you do get to say what you want, like you do get to, it's whatever, but you don't, I just don't feel like you treat a woman and a child in that manner.

• 35:31Channing Crowder?

  And I'm with you on that, but that person paid their money and bought their seat, they can say what the hell they want, because you're down there getting paid. Now with the college athlete, even in the media, radio and all the stuff I do, I would never, I used to never criticize the college athletes, because that's a kid still. You're 18 to 21, whatever, you get to the NFL, you getting paid, I'll roast your ass. Because you are getting paid to do a job and you're not good at it. Now with these high, these college players, the boy just went from Georgia to Miami, making $4 million. I'm gonna tear his ass up in the media if he's terrible down there in Miami. But that's part of the game of being a top athlete.

• 36:15Channing Crowder?

  Y'all were both top athletes. But you would be a heck of a guy. Y'all both got very well paid, Freddie. And if your family has to get some shrapnel from it, they gotta get some shrapnel from it. I know Asia was sitting up in them damn stands and they were like, "God damn, Kyler can't cover no damn tight end." Yeah, tight ends gave me hell. But they just gave me $70,000 for this game, so we about to head home, have us a good time. Like, it's part of, it's part of, it's part of professional sports. Is that fans are gonna criticize you, if they criticize you in front of your wife and kids, hype the fuck up, go home to that big ass mansion and have a good night.

• 36:53Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna be honest, I don't wear apparel to games. I've never worn a number one jersey. I don't wear sweatshirts of the teams my kids play for. I don't do, like, until the college football playoffs, I never cheered.

• 37:13Ryan Clark?

  Like for me, it wasn't because I don't want to support in a certain way. It's so people don't talk to me. It's so people don't say things around me, right? Because I get it. You have the right to say and cheer and be for your team any way you want to. I know the world does not think the right, think I have the right to respond how the hell I want to. Right? And so if it's a situation to where you're coming at me for whatever reason it is, I can't then respond to you like, "You're five foot six and it's wide as you are tall, mother effin', you can't do it anyway.

• 37:58Ryan Clark?

  And that's why your son suck too. And he's standing here next to you and he ain't gonna be shit."

• 38:04Ryan Clark?

  Right? Because, because, because if I respond like that after you said what you said, I'm wrong. So if, and so like, that's, that's my problem with it.

• 38:14Channing Crowder?

  Joe was a starter at Notre Dame championship team with Marcus Freeman. Joe made a lot of money while he was in college.

• 38:25Ryan Clark?

  He did.

• 38:26Channing Crowder?

  You have to deal with that as a family. That's what it is, bro. Like, and that's what I'm saying, like, that's what it is. Fans can be fans, let them be fans.

• 38:37Ryan Clark?

  Don't talk, don't talk to me.

• 38:39Channing Crowder?

  No, they can't.

• 38:40Ryan Clark?

  I'm not talking to you.

• 38:41Channing Crowder?

  Do not talk to me.

• 38:43Ryan Clark?

  You have to deal with them talking to you.

• 38:45Channing Crowder?

  Well, we got, I get to say. They just paid eighteen hundred dollars for that seat. So they can't be mad when I talk about them? They can say whatever they want. And you have to sit down and just smile and wave.

• 38:54Ryan Clark?

  I mother effin' wish.

• 38:55Channing Crowder?

  Cross your little legs and.

• 38:56Ryan Clark?

  I can't cross my legs, you know my hips tight.

• 38:59Channing Crowder?

  It's part of the game.

• 39:00Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T.

• 39:01Channing Crowder?

  When you are a top athlete, it's part of the game.

• 39:03Ryan Clark?

  Cause Channing, can you please move on to some, like some real life stuff?

• 39:06Fred Taylor?

  You're really, really tripping.

• 39:07Ryan Clark?

  It's part of the game.

• 39:08Fred Taylor?

  No, no, but listen, fans are fickle, we understand that. They pick and choose, we understand that. Be a fan, that's fine. Don't be disrespectful. That's a whole different thing. All right, let's move on. Let's, let's move on.

• 39:20Ryan Clark?

  My bad.

• 39:21Fred Taylor?

  Can we move on?

• 39:21Ryan Clark?

  Y'all ran me hot with this.

• 39:22Fred Taylor?

  Something that's a bit more serious.

• 39:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 39:24Fred Taylor?

  Cause I fly American Airlines all the time. So waking up to the, the, the situation in DC. Like that really, really, like it beat me up. And I remember the first time I discovered I had anxiety. I was on a flight in 2017 and I could not wait for that plane to land. I was like, what's going on with me? I didn't have a clue. Like I always had slight issues with turbulence. I'm a lot better now since we fly much more. But back then, I had major issues, man. And I had a fear of it for a while. I had a fear of anxiety for a while. But let me say this.

• 40:04Fred Taylor?

  I do want to give, you know, condolences to the families that lost loved ones in this tragedy. And I hope they can figure out kind of everything around it in their investigation of it. But it prompted a question. Do you guys have a fear or an irrational fear of anything in particular?

• 40:27Ryan Clark?

  Like before I answer that, though, I would want to do the same. For us, for sure, as individuals, we're on a ton of flights. You know, and I do know people have a fear of flying. It's all, I think it's called like aerophobia.

• 40:44Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, something like that.

• 40:45Ryan Clark?

  And I don't. You know what I mean? Like, I don't recall ever getting on a flight and thinking about what bad thing can happen.

• 40:57Ryan Clark?

  You know, I remember Coach Nader, who is a legend at LSU. When I first really started flying was when I got to college. And, you know, they'd say, put your seatbelt on. And you just listen to the flight attendant. And Coach Nader would never wear a seatbelt. And he'd always tell me, RC, if this flight goes down, the seatbelt ain't gonna save me. You know? And I didn't look at it as like. This bad thing, I just looked at it and felt like, that makes sense. You know, but those people that boarded that American Airlines flight, their loved ones expected to see them again.

• 41:38Ryan Clark?

  Their loved ones expected that this routine thing that happens thousands of times a day would be like the other flights they've taken in their entire lives. And to wake up to that sort of news. And, you know, there was a guy immediately after, he was just saying, I just hope somebody pulls my wife from the water.

• 42:03Ryan Clark?

  Like, to only be hoping that you could see, get to touch, or get to know that your loved one has been recovered and deceased. Like, I just can't, I can't imagine that. And it brings to mind the millions of things we do daily that we take for granted. That you just expect it to work. You expect that the driver of your Uber is gonna get you to where you're going. You expect that the captain or pilot of this flight is going to land you safely at your destination. There are all these things that people have to do or control in order for us to do them, that we just expect that they're gonna do their job.

• 42:48Ryan Clark?

  That's the expectation, is that I'll get on this ride at Disney World with my children, and it'll function as it was made to function. And we can't take those things for granted. You can't take those days for granted. You can't take those activities for granted. So to all the people who were involved in the collision, and all the people who are involved in this tragedy, or who have lost loved ones to this tragedy, you know, my condolences and prayers are with them too. And I know that that doesn't fix it, you know, but it is a reminder of how short life can be.

• 43:25Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. I would say that too, that taking stuff for granted, because there's millions of flights that take off every day.

• 43:34Channing Crowder?

  Millions, there's been millions upon, tens of millions of flights that flew before domestic. Cause once this happened, now they start putting out numbers. And it's like, there was 70 million flights that took off between the last domestic plane crash. How do you know that yours is not that one that's gonna be the? The one? The outlier of what's going on. We go to airports all the time. So what y'all are saying, bro, we fly once a week. We gotta go there and back. So we're doing four, you know, two, three, four flights a week. How do you know that's not your flight? And to that same point, that, that seatbelt thing?

• 44:15Channing Crowder?

  I don't put seatbelts on on the plane. What is it gonna do for me? If these wings fall off? You think this belt's about to keep me in this seat? Man, I'm running scary. I'm doing something to try to save it. You have to just accept what's going on, accept what, what you're doing, and hope that it's not your flight. Hope it's not that person. But to that exact point, I've been on a bunch of flights. We was on a flight one time. Fred's over there, he over there tapping my chair. Cause we went to doing all that. And I'm like, man, I'm sitting back asleep. There's nothing I can do. There's nothing I can do if this big ass tube falls out of the sky. That's real. So I'mma take me a nap.

• 44:58Channing Crowder?

  Fred wanna tap my shoulder and he, he wanna talk. I say, Fred, I'm not talking right now, man. This, we, we going up and down. Let's, let's be quiet. No. But, but that, that was the thing. I'm, I'm the same exact way. But you talk about like fear. And it's funny, cause I, I really, like, I don't say take pride in not being scared, but I really like, I think

• 45:21Channing Crowder?

  that I have my life kinda figured out.

• 45:25Channing Crowder?

  If my kids are two minutes late to get home, I am so scared of my children being abducted. Like, Shaq scared. Lil' Chan has to ride his bike a half a mile from the bus stop. If he's not there before 4:28, if it's 4:30, two minutes late, I start texting him or calling him. That's my fear. My fear is something happening to my babies. Something happening to me, you kidnapping me, I think I'm Liam Neeson. I'ma make it out. Hey, you could be like, I have a particular skill set. If a bitch kidnapped me, honestly, kidnapped me if you want to, bitch. This is not gonna be fun for you. If you get kidnapped, you gonna get sex trafficked.

• 46:10Channing Crowder?

  Bro, and listen, I might enjoy it, but... They gonna give you back. But, bruh, man, my babies, like, something happening to my family, to Asia or them kids, I really be, even Asia goes out with her friends. I'm the husband that starts texting at 12:01. "Where you at? You headed home? Drive safe." I don't want, like, I'm more worried about people around me getting hurt because I'm built to last. It's an N.W.A. song. I was about to say, I can't say it. I'm a dude that's built to last. But I do not want anything to happen to my babies or my wife. That's the thing, that's the biggest fear in my life, is something happens to them.

• 46:49Ryan Clark?

  I think we all have that fear. Recently, the tragedy in New Orleans, we were all down there. And Logan was out with her boyfriend. The next morning, at the time, I didn't know that Yonk had spoke to her. So we knocked on their door. I was calling her. And I remember when she called me finally, I was hot and I was screaming at her. Because nothing pisses black people off more than being scared. You know what I mean? And so, like, I definitely agree with that. I have a more probably irrational fear and a less serious one. Is like, I have a fear that I'm gonna lose my rhythm.

• 47:32Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying, like-

• 47:33Fred Taylor?

  Your dancing ability?

• 47:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, I have a fear that I'm not gonna be able to catch the beat. You know, like, that, I always, and, listen, I'm not Chris Brown. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not pop lock-in, I can't crump. You know what I'm saying? All that stuff they do where it look like they feet don't touch the ground and all that. Listen, I, I can't do all that, like, there is a rig- a rigidness to my body that football has created, that I am no longer what I used to be in high school. Right? In high school, I used to be able to do all the jubilee dances, you know what I'm saying? I would beanie weenie, I would bow, bow, like, I could give you everything in high school.

• 48:14Ryan Clark?

  Now, it's a very limited sort of scale of dance moves I could do.

• 48:20Fred Taylor?

  This is their capital shit.

• 48:21Ryan Clark?

  Right, and, like, even, like, my shoulders don't even do that as well anymore. I don't wiggle my hips, Chan, like, I don't, I don't know why you always go to the fact that it's wig- But, you know, and, and, I'm just gonna be honest.

• 48:33Fred Taylor?

  Chill out, bro.

• 48:34Ryan Clark?

  What are you doing?

• 48:35Fred Taylor?

  I don't know what he got going on.

• 48:37Ryan Clark?

  What are you doing? But, like, could you, like, could you imagine, like, you go, like, you know, like, I always dream of, like, walking my daughter down the aisle, right, my daughters? And so, I think about, like, the first dance, you know, and I always have, like, this cool concept in my head is, like, we'll start the dance, like, sweet and cute, and then we'll break it to something that we decided we was gonna do together, that some New Orleans bounce music or something like that. What if, in that moment, I can't catch the beat? You know what I'm saying? Like, if all of, like, if all of a sudden, I just turn into, like, a middle-aged white man? You know what I mean? I, I have a fear, Chan.

• 49:15Channing Crowder?

  But, just that?

• 49:17Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, nah.

• 49:17Channing Crowder?

  You, you can't get, like, that, nah, the music stars and that, that-

• 49:21Ryan Clark?

  Chan, think about this. I've never had to think about it, 'cause I could always do it. What if it just goes away?

• 49:26Fred Taylor?

  And you be-

• 49:27Ryan Clark?

  And you, yeah, and I'm trying, hey, and I look like I'm trying to catch the beat for real, I'm clapping at that hoe, like, trying to figure out, get, bro, I don't want that, I'm gonna be honest, dawg. I do, I do not wanna not be able to catch the beat. That is my worst fear.

• 49:41Fred Taylor?

  Clap.

• 49:42Ryan Clark?

  That is my worst fear, dawg, really. If I can't catch the beat, yes.

• 49:46Fred Taylor?

  I would never thought that about you, I see, that's crazy. Cause he wanna wiggle that booty. I mean, but the thing is, I, I used to, I used to dance. I don't dance no more, I just vibe, I don't dance no more, but I used to-

• 49:57Ryan Clark?

  Him and Lil Duvall used to be back there pee popping.

• 49:59Fred Taylor?

  My family members, they laugh at me. It's like, man, you used to be out there cutting up. Man, cuz I'm from scrub the ground and two live crew and all of that. So I used to get it and cut it up.

• 50:08Ryan Clark?

  You used to scrub the ground?

• 50:10Fred Taylor?

  Nah, I ain't used to scrub the ground, bro. Don't talk like that.

• 50:12Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T used to twerk.

• 50:13Fred Taylor?

  I'm just talking about the music.

• 50:15Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T was a pee popper.

• 50:17Fred Taylor?

  I was popping something.

• 50:19Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T was on y'all.

• 50:24Fred Taylor?

  I think for me, um, I've, seriously, uh, it's irrational, but it's articophobia, I think it's called. A fear of failure.

• 50:34Ryan Clark?

  What's that?

• 50:34Fred Taylor?

  Articophobia.

• 50:36Ryan Clark?

  You don't like art?

• 50:37Fred Taylor?

  No.

• 50:40Fred Taylor?

  Ah, it's called articophobia.

• 50:44Ryan Clark?

  What is that?

• 50:45Fred Taylor?

  It's a fear of failure. See, you didn't, you never cared. I cared about, yeah, I care about not failing. Yes, I have a fear of it. That's what made me competitive in the person that I am. That's why I say it's, it's a twofold. Like, I can't, on one end, take it too serious, but on the other end, it is exactly why I am the way I am. It's exactly why I'm not complacent. It is exactly what motivates me. Cuz even in my career, I didn't wanna fail. Like, some guys look at it and say, I made it. I had to wait. I looked back and said, I did good. Cuz throughout, I was afraid that I was gonna fall short of something.

• 51:30Fred Taylor?

  I was gonna fail, right? So that's always been in me.

• 51:34Ryan Clark?

  Did it keep you from starting certain things? Does your fear of failure keep you from?

• 51:40Fred Taylor?

  No, no, it, it, it didn't keep me from starting anything. It kept me curious to wanting to succeed, right?

• 51:50Fred Taylor?

  But no, not starting anything. Like, for example, right?

• 51:56Fred Taylor?

  My, and you gonna probably laugh. My first two days at OTA is my rookie year. I caught a back spasm. I thought my career was over. I thought I was gonna let the team down. I never felt that. I really, seriously thought I was gonna let the team down. And not live up to why they drafted me.

• 52:15Channing Crowder?

  The pick, draft, pick and all that.

• 52:17Fred Taylor?

  I was on the fucking training room. I was in the training room. I remember Skip Richardson come in here, big fella, everything gonna be okay? I was in there, like, teared up, bro. Talking I was gonna fuck up everything. I thought I was gonna fail.

• 52:33Channing Crowder?

  This is interesting to me. When did it leave? Like, cuz you could fail every single day. You could fail every game, bro. You could fail every year.

• 52:42Fred Taylor?

  It doesn't just apply to football. It applies to, to life, not letting, you know, my kids down and the household and all of that. My, my, my family members, people who depend on me, still to this day. Like, it, it gives me an extra push. And some people, I need that. I, I need that.

• 53:02Ryan Clark?

  I don't think, I don't think of, of fear. I don't think of fear of failure as necessarily, necessarily bad.

• 53:09Fred Taylor?

  That's why I say it can be kinda irrational in a sense, because.

• 53:13Channing Crowder?

  Very irrational.

• 53:14Fred Taylor?

  It's not always.

• 53:15Channing Crowder?

  But you're going to fail.

• 53:16Ryan Clark?

  Well, no, I think the fear of failure isn't irrational unless your definition of failure is irrational.

• 53:28Channing Crowder?

  What's your finish line?

• 53:29Fred Taylor?

  That's what it is, cuz it's not always, like, I try and reason with myself, but it's not always reasonable. That's what I'm saying. Like, I said it there. And maybe it's irrational because I put it here, but that's how I drive myself.

• 53:43Ryan Clark?

  Life is not about scoreboard watching. Like, that's the difference, right? So, like, you gotta think, if you're a scoreboard watcher, then, yeah, because you missed the entire journey because you're looking at the destination. Right? Like, you don't, if you're scoreboard watching and you only waiting for that clock to hit zero, there are so many wins within that. But if failure and success only lie in this one thing, which is kinda what our lives are predicated on, then we all fail most of the time.

• 54:17Fred Taylor?

  That's why I said, I don't think I'll miss the journey because, as I mentioned, as it pertains to my career, I kinda, I don't say I'm happy I made it. I look back, and then I judge everything on them. But throughout, you know, it's just something that drives me. So, that's why I say it's twofold. I can look at it both ways.

• 54:40Channing Crowder?

  It's a macro and a micro. You win every day, you win in life. I would say all three of us have won in life. There's a lot of people that would love to be in our position, love to be in our shoes. So, to your point, what's your finish line?

• 54:56Channing Crowder?

  What are you judging yourself on? Are you being too hard on yourself, whatever it is? But, yeah, that, artificophobia, whatever the fuck you said, yeah, that's, man, that's silly. Because you could fail every day. If I can't figure out how to open this sliding glass door, is that a failure? I'm not scared of not opening the sliding glass door. Like, I think the bigger picture.

• 55:18Fred Taylor?

  Same about success, you just mentioned it. How do you know everybody wants to be in our shoes and say we win that life? It's all relative to that person, to that individual.

• 55:25Channing Crowder?

  We're famous, we have a lot of money, we do well in life, we have beautiful families, we have beautiful wives. We are living the life that everybody wants.

• 55:35Fred Taylor?

  I got one for you before we wrap, ablutfobia.

• 55:38Channing Crowder?

  Scared of the color blue?

• 55:39Fred Taylor?

  Nope. Fear of washing your nasty ass. Fear of washing.

• 55:44Ryan Clark?

  He don't have a fear, he has a disregard for it.

• 55:47Channing Crowder?

  Why I need to wash all the time? Y'all wanna wash every day. I smelt myself on the way. I was driving up here today, I smelt myself through my crotch coming up, and I was like, I probably need to wash tonight.

• 55:59Ryan Clark?

  That's really gross. But you been with your wife, so that's really disgusting, actually. All right, so our pivot point today is this. Here's my pivot point question, since we were really serious the last time we got together. If you could time travel...

• 56:13Ryan Clark?

  But you can only time travel to awkward moments in your life.

• 56:19Ryan Clark?

  What moment would you go back to and try to change?

• 56:23Channing Crowder?

  Oh, and try to change?

• 56:25Fred Taylor?

  I think I would go back to, let's just say speaking engagement. Man, I tried to use an icebreaker to kind of melt the crowd so I can get their attention. And the shit went over everybody's head.

• 56:36Ryan Clark?

  What was, what was the icebreaker?

• 56:38Fred Taylor?

  I don't even remember, RC, but I just knew I had something going. I knew I had something good. I was like, I'm gonna kill them with this. And it was just silence. I said, okay.

• 56:50Fred Taylor?

  Onto the bio. Let's talk football. And that was the end. But I was just at the podium like, alright, this shit ain't make no sense to nobody. And I just was kind of standing there. I felt alone for a moment. And I went right, well, I'm Fred Taylor, University of Florida. But that was, that was one that just jumped out real quick.

• 57:10Ryan Clark?

  What you got, Chan? Cause you, I don't think you care about awkward moments enough to fix them. So what would be?

• 57:18Channing Crowder?

  Tough.

• 57:19Ryan Clark?

  You got, now you can time travel. You can only change one. You can only make one right.

• 57:23Channing Crowder?

  Awkward. I would say.

• 57:27Channing Crowder?

  This is crazy. Now y'all making me really think. When I changed high schools.

• 57:36Channing Crowder?

  I left Roswell, which is like the big powerhouse football school. And I got varsity blues with carries and touchdowns and all that. My mom moved me to a performing arts school.

• 57:49Channing Crowder?

  North Springs High School. Usher went there, Raven-Symoné went there. And they had, they had a black head coach. So that's the reason I went to North Springs was to play for a black head coach. And I didn't know that people don't get naked and get in the shower.

• 58:07Channing Crowder?

  At the black schools. At the white school, like you leave practice, everybody was just getting like it was normal getting the shower just like in the league. And I was leaving ninth grade from the, from Roswell and I went to North Springs. And one of the first days, like we got out of PE and I get naked and I get in the shower. And everybody's like, everybody's looking at me crazy and I'm sitting there just washing, just naked, meat out, you know, Peter weed, Peter weed flowing. And it was like, it was a whole school wide thing. It's like, man, that little light skinned boy like. He got naked.

• 58:45Fred Taylor?

  He got his mama dick.

• 58:49Channing Crowder?

  And it was like, once I got out of PE, like we go, we all keep work, working throughout the day and like people start telling me like, damn, bro, people saying like you was in the locker room naked. I'm like, we're in the locker room. Like we don't, y'all don't get naked in locker room? But at the new school, people did not get naked in the locker room. And so I became like, man, that's a little nasty dude that gets naked everywhere. Like it was. It's crazy that, it's funny because now the narrative, you know what I'm saying? We done, we done been through all the hoopla, meat, you know. Now you don't shower. Now, I, you know what? That might've been my shower for the week. For the first shower that I tried to take that week.

• 59:29Fred Taylor?

  They shunned you for it.

• 59:30Channing Crowder?

  Now I'm getting made fun of at lunch because I get naked. We all got the same thing. We got berries and we got sticks.

• 59:38Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 59:40Channing Crowder?

  You got the Peter weed, I got the Peter weed. Man, let's wash. But that was, that was the one that I felt funny about my, I don't wanna say sexuality, but I felt funny about my openness. When I got to North Springs and I took my first shower.

• 59:55Fred Taylor?

  I wish it would've made you less open, actually.

• 59:58Channing Crowder?

  Man, I like to be naked, man.

• 59:59Fred Taylor?

  And I don't believe it was even awkward for you.

• 1:00:02Channing Crowder?

  It was awkward for me because everybody, it wasn't just the team was like, yeah, the little light skinned boy, he, no, like the whole school was like, damn, bro, you was naked. Like everybody said you was in there naked. I'm like, we in the locker room. Why don't you wanna get naked? Let's have a naked party.

• 1:00:16Ryan Clark?

  The one I think about the most is I faked a stomach ache to not play the football game at home coming when I was nine years old.

• 1:00:25Channing Crowder?

  You, you'll tell me here?

• 1:00:26Ryan Clark?

  Huh? I just told him my stomach.

• 1:00:27Channing Crowder?

  Why you do that?

• 1:00:29Ryan Clark?

  Cause my uncle Alex came.

• 1:00:32Ryan Clark?

  Nervous? Fred, my Uncle Alex, to this day, if he met both of you, he would tell you how much better at football he was than both of y'all. I like Alex. I was...

• 1:00:48Ryan Clark?

  College, bruh. I'm in college now. I'm all SCC, my junior year. We're walking back to my apartment from the stadium. My Uncle Alex is in front of me. He's... Uncle Alex is 70 now. It's my dad's... The brother that's closest to my dad's age. And now, I just wanna put this out there. My dad is the brother with the most sense of his siblings. Mike is the... Mike is the sensible brother. Okay. Right? Like, so if you wanna get something done, you go to my dad. My dad takes care of it. I love Mike, but that's... That's a... That means a lot. It's telling. It's telling, correct? My Uncle Alex, bruh. So we walking through the courtyard at my apartment.

• 1:01:33Ryan Clark?

  I'm a grown man now, all SCC, right? De'Ryan Clark, that went on and played 13 years in the league. And he goes, "For four plays, I'm still the best motherfucker in the world." So now I'm shook, right? So my uncle... Now, Chan, when you... At this point, I got a girlfriend. So my girlfriend come to the game, watch me play. My mama and my daddy there. Not to mention, my uncle was kicked out of LSU stadium before, right? He go, "I'm telling you, I can backpedal. I can karaoke, I can shuffle." And we're walking to my apartment, dawg. And so, this uncle comes to homecoming, right? And at the time, it's just me and this other kid.

• 1:02:18Ryan Clark?

  We like the best kids in the league. But I'm scared to play bad in front of him, cuz he don't know how to act. Not act, he don't know how to act, right? And so, I told my dad, I was like, "Pop, my stomach hurts. I can't play." And my dad, my dad knew I wasn't sick. Yeah. And the entire time, bro, I am petrified. Cause I'm like, cause it's homecoming, we had like the little parade, we on the back of trucks. Everybody telling my uncle, I'm that guy. What if I'm not that guy? And what if this other kid, his last name was Ralph, I forget his first name. What if he's better than me? And now in front of Uncle Alex too? Nope. Won't get me out there, coach. Did y'all win or lose?

• 1:03:02Ryan Clark?

  Man, my little team went out there and got stomped out, man. I carried the ball, I carried the ball every play. You didn't even contribute, RC. Shit, man. You let them boys down. Yeah, hey, we lost, cause I wasn't gonna play. But speaking of losses, and you know, I know this means a lot, definitely to friends, to me as well. Without Santonio Holmes, you know, I don't get to say I'm a Super Bowl champion, but Tone had babies when I met him. And recently, he lost his son to violence. And we see it so much in our communities. We often feel it can't touch you.

• 1:03:46Ryan Clark?

  And then when it does, you realize that like, we're all just human.

• 1:03:52Ryan Clark?

  To Tone, to his family, to the rest of his children, to anybody who's affected by that, man. We are so, so sorry. And, you know, I'm praying with you. There is no, nothing we could say that heals that hole that'll be left in your whole life, left in your heart, man. But I am truly, truly sorry for your loss. And, you know, if there's something that any of us can do, you know, I'll definitely reach out and see, you know, if there is any way that we can help. I know how much I love my children.

• 1:04:31Ryan Clark?

  And, you know, Channing even talked about just the irrational fears we have of something happening to them. So to have this.

• 1:04:42Ryan Clark?

  Actual tragedy happen to your babies and for your children or for your child to be taken away from you. I can only imagine how much pain you're in. You know, we love you, man. We love your family, you know, and we're just thinking of you.

• 1:05:00Fred Taylor?

  Cousin, I love you, man. Praying for you. Like we just talked about, San Antonio Homes, the third TJ, we gonna miss you, but your spirit will live on and we'll make sure of that. Rest in peace, cousin.

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