Pretty Little Episode #22

Tig and Mae discuss drag personas and time travel on a personable and timeless Pretty Little Episode! Handsome is hosted by Tig Notaro, Mae Martin, and Fortune FeimsterSubmit questions to speakpipe.com/handsomepod http://speakpipe.com/handsomepodFollow us on social media @handsomepodMerch at handsomepod.com http://handsomepod.com/Watch Handsome on YouTube http://youtube.com/@handsomepodThis is a Headgum https://headgum.com/ podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter https://x.com/headgum, Instagram https://www.instagram.com/headgum/, and Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum. Advertise on Handsome https://gumball.fm/shows/handsome via Gumball.fm http://gumball.fm/. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 2:03Speaker 03

  This is a HeadGum Podcast.

• 2:10Tig Notaro?

  Pretty little episode.

• 2:19Mae Martin?

  Good morning and welcome.

• 2:22Tig Notaro?

  Afternoon.

• 2:23Mae Martin?

  And hello, uh, welcome to a pretty little.

• 2:27Tig Notaro?

  Time zones.

• 2:28Mae Martin?

  Yeah, we are.

• 2:29Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, and I talked over your pretty little, um, intro, so apologies.

• 2:34Mae Martin?

  It's always, as you know, a nail biting moment for me, the intros. It takes a lot to get me there to be, to, to take the plunge.

• 2:44Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:45Mae Martin?

  So you're in Toronto, right, Tig?

• 2:47Tig Notaro?

  I am, and I was out last night.

• 2:50Mae Martin?

  Whoa.

• 2:51Tig Notaro?

  At a Rufus Wainwright concert.

• 2:53Mae Martin?

  No way.

• 2:55Tig Notaro?

  I was.

• 2:56Mae Martin?

  Was he playing the hits or what?

• 2:58Tig Notaro?

  He was playing, um, his Folkocracy, um, album, a bunch of, uh, folk tunes. And, uh, but he also snuck in Islands in the Stream, which is, uh, he is.

• 3:13Mae Martin?

  That's hilarious.

• 3:14Tig Notaro?

  So, yeah, I was, um, at his concert and then there was a, um, like a little after-party gathering.

• 3:24Mae Martin?

  That's amazing.

• 3:26Tig Notaro?

  Uh, well, it was at this woman, she's like a Canadian political, I, I'm not even quite sure who she was.

• 3:34Mae Martin?

  A Canadian political person.

• 3:36Tig Notaro?

  Person, yes. And, uh, so we were at her house hanging out and, um, the people that run the venue where Rufus was performing came up to me. And they told me, "We are good friends with May's parents."

• 3:56Mae Martin?

  What?

• 3:57Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. And I was like, "Really?" And they're like, "Yeah." And I don't know, what are your parents' names?

• 4:01Mae Martin?

  Wendy and James.

• 4:03Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, they're like, "Oh, Wendy and J-" they're like, "Do you know Wendy and James? They are the best. We love them."

• 4:09Mae Martin?

  No way.

• 4:10Tig Notaro?

  I was like, "I have not ever met Wendy and James."

• 4:13Mae Martin?

  Oh my God, I love that people are coming up to you saying, "We know May's parents." That's so funny.

• 4:20Tig Notaro?

  No, I was like, "I don't."

• 4:22Mae Martin?

  Yeah, but what, what was the venue he was playing?

• 4:26Mae Martin?

  Okay, none of the details are very common.

• 4:29Tig Notaro?

  Like, cut something tall?

• 4:34Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Royal Conservatory?

• 4:37Tig Notaro?

  Maybe. Yes, yes.

• 4:38Mae Martin?

  Yes, okay, I know exactly who these people were. That's great.

• 4:41Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Mae Martin?

  Um, man, he's so good, Rufus.

• 4:44Tig Notaro?

  He is so good. And then his sister Lucy Wainwright Roach was onstage as well. I mean, there was a whole band, but it was so fun because Lucy, I actually, my friendship with Lucy predates my friendship with Rufus.

• 4:58Mae Martin?

  Really?

• 4:59Tig Notaro?

  And, yeah, yeah. I met Lucy years ago. She was performing. Do you know the folk trio, The Roaches?

• 5:09Mae Martin?

  No.

• 5:09Tig Notaro?

  It's a trio that actually Paul Simon discovered.

• 5:13Mae Martin?

  No way.

• 5:13Tig Notaro?

  And they are, yeah, they're sisters. And a friend of mine took me to see his friend Lucy Roach, Lucy Wainwright Roach, play. And then she introduced her mother onstage. She said, I want to introduce my mom, Suzie. And she comes out and I turn to my friend, I said, is that Suzie Roach? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, oh, oh my God. Like, anyway, so Suzie Roach.

• 5:39Mae Martin?

  Suzie Roach, yeah. But what a name.

• 5:43Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. She was married to Loudon Wainwright. And so Rufus and Lucy are half siblings. And they just have such an extraordinarily talented family.

• 5:56Mae Martin?

  Oh, it's wild, yeah.

• 5:57Tig Notaro?

  But anyway, then I became friends with Rufus. And it was, it was nice to be with both of them.

• 6:05Mae Martin?

  And now you're best friends with my parents' friends.

• 6:09Tig Notaro?

  That's right. It's a, it's a small world, isn't it?

• 6:12Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Mae Martin?

  Well, good for you for getting out and about in Toronto. Like, it's because you're there for so long. I think you gotta, you gotta force yourself to go out and do stuff, right? Otherwise, I fell into a real, like, just coming home from work and putting on true crime, you know?

• 6:29Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, it's a weird existence.

• 6:31Mae Martin?

  It's a really weird.

• 6:32Tig Notaro?

  Really weird existence. And I'm, I'm kind of struggling with it.

• 6:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah. It's hard to be away from your family and everything. Yeah, your whole life, your routine. And but I do think that the way to do it is to Go out with people, go make plans and go for dinners and do stuff. Cause the other day I was like, oh man, I'm depressed. And then I was like, well, I have been watching five hours of a documentary about JonBenet Ramsey. Like, no wonder I'm, no wonder I'm feeling.

• 7:01Tig Notaro?

  Doc, why am I feeling so down?

• 7:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah, like you gotta get out and about.

• 7:05Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. I mean, I've been, you know, as you know, working on new stuff at Comedy Bar and then I'm also, you know, I don't know, exercising and

• 7:16Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 7:16Tig Notaro?

  recording the podcast. Then Stephanie and I are working on projects together.

• 7:21Mae Martin?

  Um, yeah.

• 7:22Tig Notaro?

  But, um, yeah, I should probably be a little more social than I am.

• 7:26Mae Martin?

  I like to have a, a, a bro. Like, as you know, I often have like a straight dude just staying in my house. And, and it really, to wake up in the morning and someone's like, morning bud. Oh, yeah. I love it. I'm like, just stop me from going into my head, you know? Like the other day, I was like, I mean, and I've known these bros for so long. So my, my friend who's staying with me now, I've known since I was like 18. And the other night we were, uh, we were in bed, watch, cause there's no TV in the living room in this Airbnb. So we were in bed tucked up together, watching Eyes Wide Shut. And we were eating miso eggplant. And I was like, man, sometimes you gotta get in bed with your boy. You gotta watch Eyes Wide Shut. You gotta have miso eggplant.

• 8:11Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. Yeah. That, I mean, I, listen, I love a straight man. You know, I, I am not a lesbian that is, you know, repulsed by dudes, but, um, that does sound nice. I just don't have, I don't have that dude out here.

• 8:29Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:31Tig Notaro?

  And there are.

• 8:32Mae Martin?

  I can send you a few.

• 8:34Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, if you could. I mean, I'm, I'm trying to figure out my life. I'm trying to figure out my friends and what's going on. It's, it's just, it's weird. It's definitely weird.

• 8:48Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Do, do you mean like in LA as well? You feel like you're in a transition period or just while you're out there?

• 8:54Tig Notaro?

  I mean, it's mainly here, but it's just, you know, disconnecting to be.

• 9:00Tig Notaro?

  Away from my life for six months.

• 9:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 9:03Tig Notaro?

  It's it's the craziest thing in the world.

• 9:06Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 9:07Tig Notaro?

  Because touring, I could go out for a night or a weekend or a week or two weeks or whatever. And I'd know I could just plan my life like, oh, I'm gonna have this whole month off or the whole summer off or you know what I mean?

• 9:21Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 9:21Tig Notaro?

  Um, whereas in production, they own your schedule.

• 9:26Mae Martin?

  Very, very weird lifestyle.

• 9:29Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, it's it's really bizarre, but I I enjoy every I like every single person, cast and crew. I love being a part of the Star Trek world. Um, I'm I'm very thankful for the the job and um, but I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.

• 9:48Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah, how to stay regulated.

• 9:51Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 9:51Mae Martin?

  Stay regular, too.

• 9:53Tig Notaro?

  That's right. You have to.

• 9:54Mae Martin?

  Got to.

• 9:56Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Mae Martin?

  Well, should we segue seamlessly into um, some listener questions? See what people want to know?

• 10:02Tig Notaro?

  Let's do that. Yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Hello, hello, hello, handsomest of handsoms. My name is Little Miss Hot Mess and yes, if you can't already tell from that name, I am a drag queen. And so my question for you is, who would you be as a drag performer? Maybe you're a drag queen or a drag king or some other drag royalty. And I'm curious what your drag name would be, how you might think about a drag persona, what you'd want to look like as you step out onto a fabulous pageant stage.

• 10:35Mae Martin?

  That's a great question. Well, I would say like, early in life, I would have been, I would have probably been a drag king and and like, had a drag king persona like skeet or no, like, like a zip zero or something and but.

• 10:55Tig Notaro?

  What?

• 10:56Mae Martin?

  I don't know, zip zero and I.

• 10:58Tig Notaro?

  I don't even know what you're talking about.

• 11:01Mae Martin?

  Me neither.

• 11:03Tig Notaro?

  What are you talking about?

• 11:04Mae Martin?

  Well, I don't know.

• 11:07Tig Notaro?

  A a drag king named Zip Zero?

• 11:10Mae Martin?

  Yes.

• 11:10Tig Notaro?

  Maybe I'm not submerged in the culture enough.

• 11:19Mae Martin?

  I think you're right.

• 11:20Tig Notaro?

  Is everyone else listening going, oh, yes, Zip Zero is the one?

• 11:24Mae Martin?

  No, I don't think that's even like a classic drag king style name, but I think if I was the drag king, I'd be like some kind of greaser called Zip Zero. But now, maybe because I feel gender wise that I'm more, I'm sitting in a more boy place, I would maybe feel empowered and more comfortable to do Drag Queen, where I would have been embarrassed before. But now I feel like, fuck, I could be like Greta Von, Von Lincoln.

• 11:54Tig Notaro?

  Zip.

• 11:59Tig Notaro?

  Greta Von Zip.

• 12:00Mae Martin?

  Greta Von Zip.

• 12:01Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, or you could go as me.

• 12:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I could go as Tig. Oh, my God.

• 12:06Tig Notaro?

  Is that the proper way to say it? Go as me? That sounds like Halloween.

• 12:11Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 12:13Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 12:14Mae Martin?

  What would you, who, who would you be?

• 12:16Tig Notaro?

  Well, you know what immediately came to mind is the drag king look that I cultivated on handsome with Grandpa Tig.

• 12:27Mae Martin?

  Oh, my God, yes, that's so your drag persona.

• 12:31Tig Notaro?

  Yes, I, I love Grandpa Tig so much. When I saw pictures of myself, I was like, hello, handsome.

• 12:38Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 12:39Tig Notaro?

  Okay.

• 12:40Mae Martin?

  So we're talking kind of gray mustache, thick mustache.

• 12:43Tig Notaro?

  Full gray.

• 12:44Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 12:44Tig Notaro?

  And bushy, bushy eyebrows. Remember those? I had eyebrow, um, taped to my eyebrows.

• 12:51Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 12:52Tig Notaro?

  So, yeah.

• 12:53Mae Martin?

  And like maybe a cardigan, a whiskey.

• 12:56Tig Notaro?

  What do you mean, maybe? Of course, there'd be a cardigan. And a whiskey that I don't drink.

• 13:02Mae Martin?

  Okay, so you're Grandpa Tig, and then maybe I'm kind of perched on the arm of your chair, and I'm like, morning. I'm like a kind of flapper girl from the 60s. I'm like, like Twiggy Stardust or something.

• 13:16Tig Notaro?

  And I'm like, hello, Zip Zing Spring, or whatever your name is.

• 13:21Mae Martin?

  I don't know why Zip Zero just rolled off the top.

• 13:24Tig Notaro?

  Oh, Zip Zero.

• 13:24Mae Martin?

  Yeah, okay, I like that.

• 13:26Tig Notaro?

  You know, you can use that name when you check into hotel rooms.

• 13:30Mae Martin?

  Oh, you're so right, Zip Zero.

• 13:31Tig Notaro?

  Zip Zero. And no one will ever know unless they listen to this episode.

• 13:35Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 13:37Mae Martin?

  Um, yeah, great. Okay. Well, we could do that at a live show one day.

• 13:41Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm. Put it on the list, Thomas. Should we hear Little Miss Hot Mess's answer?

• 13:48Mae Martin?

  Yes, please.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  For me, you already know that my drag name is Little Miss Hot Mess and I'll just say that that's a name that I may or may not have earned in my early twenties when I was a little bit messier. Though now that I'm a little bit older and more mature, I would say that that name really helps me shine a spotlight on what a hot mess the rest of the world can be.

• 14:09Mae Martin?

  Thank you, Little Miss Hot Mess. I hope we get to see Little Miss Hot Mess at a show sometime. Should we hear another question?

• 14:16Tig Notaro?

  Let's do.

• 14:18Speaker 05

  Do let's. Hello, I am Emma from North London in England and I have a question about time travel. I'm a bit of a history nerd. If you could go back in history and spend an hour wandering around somewhere, where would you like to go? You don't have to do anything massively historically significant and save civilization. Just for to be a little bit of a tourist, where would you like to hang out for an hour? Thanks very much.

• 14:44Tig Notaro?

  Hmm, that's interesting.

• 14:47Mae Martin?

  It's almost unpleasant for me. I'm thinking so hard about it. Like I, like, I want to get it right. I feel like there's a, like, the options are too, too many. Oh, man.

• 15:00Tig Notaro?

  I feel like where I would go is not typical, like, history books history. It would be more of like, I'd love to be, peek behind a tree and see dinosaurs.

• 15:15Mae Martin?

  Hey, that, that counts as history. Yeah.

• 15:17Tig Notaro?

  I know it does, but I think people would probably be more inclined to be like, you know, the revolution.

• 15:24Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 15:25Tig Notaro?

  But.

• 15:26Mae Martin?

  Pre-human, pre-civilization. Yeah.

• 15:29Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I would love to just, I want to see.

• 15:34Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 15:34Tig Notaro?

  You know?

• 15:35Mae Martin?

  And it's, it would be so insane because they, they'd have feathers, right? They think a lot of them had feathers. They probably wouldn't sound the way we expect them to sound.

• 15:45Tig Notaro?

  For sure.

• 15:46Mae Martin?

  Rustling through those trees.

• 15:49Tig Notaro?

  I would even, you know, I would even love to, you know, peek in a cave during, you know, caveman time.

• 15:57Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 15:57Tig Notaro?

  And like put on a little Flintstone skirt, just so I kind of fit in.

• 16:03Mae Martin?

  Right. They wouldn't bat an eyelid.

• 16:07Tig Notaro?

  With my glasses on.

• 16:08Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 16:09Tig Notaro?

  And just wander into the cave. What's going on in here? I mean, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 16:16Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, all that kind of stuff is a little more interesting to me because there's not really documentation and we're just speculating so much.

• 16:25Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah. I would go, I think, I've been watching a lot of stuff about like whether the Inca and the Aztec and stuff were communing with aliens. Like there's some, and things like that, you know, the Nazca lines and stuff. And like there's, and a lot of these sort of early art of in ancient Egypt and in Aztec art depicts like light beings who are, I don't know, I just want to know if aliens came down and taught everybody how to build pyramids. So maybe, you know, Machu Picchu or something. But also I'd like to be at the Sermon on the Mount. I'd like to hear Jesus addressing a crowd and be like,

• 17:05Tig Notaro?

  Sure, that'd be a fun day.

• 17:07Mae Martin?

  Yeah, like what was his deal?

• 17:11Tig Notaro?

  Jesus, man, what's your deal?

• 17:13Mae Martin?

  What's your deal?

• 17:13Tig Notaro?

  I'm from the future and I just, I want to know what your deal is for my podcast.

• 17:18Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Can you send us, can you give us a question?

• 17:21Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. Can I film you?

• 17:22Mae Martin?

  Oh my God, can you imagine if I had this video?

• 17:26Tig Notaro?

  Of Jesus.

• 17:27Mae Martin?

  Guys, I swear to God, this happened to me. I went and everyone would be like, what a weird stunt you're trying to pull. And I'd like to go and see when Napoleon crowned himself emperor. He took the crown out of the Pope's hands and he put it on his own head instead of letting the Pope crown him. And he, he just is such an interesting character.

• 17:45Tig Notaro?

  And there were dinosaurs during that time, too, which is cool.

• 17:48Mae Martin?

  All of the aisles in Notre Dame were full of raptors.

• 17:52Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 17:52Mae Martin?

  And T-Rexes and dinosaurs.

• 17:55Tig Notaro?

  And turtles.

• 17:56Mae Martin?

  Yeah. I'd like to hear, this person seems very, is it Emma in North London? She seems very knowledgeable about history. So I want to, I wonder if she'll have like a really esoteric response.

• 18:06Tig Notaro?

  She's just like, hmm.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  And my answer would be to go back to Tudor London and to walk along London Bridge. So that's not just walking across a bridge. It's also a place where everybody went to do their shopping and there were massive buildings and huge equivalent of high rises and just get a flavor of what Tudor London was like. Um, that would be my answer.

• 18:28Mae Martin?

  That's a good answer. I mean, it would be, it would stink is the problem. Everyone would smell so bad.

• 18:36Tig Notaro?

  Well, you could put a paper or a, a clothespin on your nose and wander around.

• 18:41Mae Martin?

  I'm dead at that image.

• 18:46Mae Martin?

  Walking down the.

• 18:59Tig Notaro?

  Well, yeah, well, I'll be.

• 19:01Mae Martin?

  I'll be.

• 19:02Tig Notaro?

  Look at that.

• 19:03Mae Martin?

  Oh, you don't say.

• 19:04Tig Notaro?

  I should probably have a, a clothespin on my nose too when I peek into the cave.

• 19:09Mae Martin?

  Yeah, you should.

• 19:10Tig Notaro?

  Cause you know, they're not very particular about where they're going to the bathroom and stuff. Cause you know.

• 19:16Mae Martin?

  No.

• 19:17Tig Notaro?

  They just don't have much experience and.

• 19:19Mae Martin?

  Oh my God, you're trying to blend in with a clothespin.

• 19:28Mae Martin?

  I'm just a regular caveman from a neighboring cave.

• 19:32Tig Notaro?

  With glasses and a Flintstone skirt on. Who's asking?

• 19:42Tig Notaro?

  Next, next time I go to London, I'm putting a, a clothespin on my nose just for.

• 19:49Mae Martin?

  Just for me, please.

• 19:50Tig Notaro?

  Emma.

• 19:50Mae Martin?

  Put it on the list, put it on the list, Thomas. You're going, you have to go to London Bridge. And you have to just walk along the bridge.

• 20:01Tig Notaro?

  With a clothespin on your.

• 20:04Tig Notaro?

  Why is that the dumbest image? Oh boy.

• 20:09Mae Martin?

  Oh boy.

• 20:10Tig Notaro?

  I, I shouldn't laugh that hard at myself. I'm laughing more at you laughing at it.

• 20:14Mae Martin?

  It's really cracking.

• 20:15Tig Notaro?

  Your laughter made me realize how deeply ridiculous it was.

• 20:19Mae Martin?

  So stupid.

• 20:22Mae Martin?

  Why doesn't anyone do that more?

• 20:28Mae Martin?

  It's such a cartoony.

• 20:30Tig Notaro?

  The same person that puts a clothespin on their nose is also the kind of person that only blows up old timey bombs.

• 20:38Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:39Tig Notaro?

  That has the fuse.

• 20:41Mae Martin?

  Yes, completely. It's very like.

• 20:43Tig Notaro?

  Same person.

• 20:44Mae Martin?

  Looney Tunes.

• 20:45Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:45Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Tig Notaro?

  All right.

• 20:47Mae Martin?

  All right, well.

• 20:48Tig Notaro?

  That was a very fun episode.

• 20:50Mae Martin?

  Yes, it's, I had a great time. Great to hear from everybody.

• 20:55Tig Notaro?

  Anyone coming to live shows, feel free to show up with a clothespin on your nose, please.

• 21:02Mae Martin?

  Please. I mean, you know what I'm ordering on Amazon right after this.

• 21:10Mae Martin?

  When, keep sending in your questions, you go to speakpipe.com/hansampod and ask us a question. Send us your response as well and get your merch at handsomepod.com. We've got really good stuff right now.

• 21:24Tig Notaro?

  We really, we always do.

• 21:25Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 21:26Tig Notaro?

  Okay. And we always got great episodes that you should share with your friends. If anything makes you giggle like this, this is a perfect example, something to send to a friend and say, this is silly. Check it out.

• 21:38Mae Martin?

  Check it out.

• 21:39Tig Notaro?

  Thank you so much, everyone, for tuning in to the handsome pod and the pretty little episodes. It is truly our pleasure and um.

• 21:49Mae Martin?

  Yeah, until next time, keep it.

• 21:52Tig Notaro?

  Keep it pretty handsome.

• 21:55Mae Martin?

  Handsome is hosted by me, Fortune Feimster, Tig Notaro and Mae Martin. The show is produced, recorded and edited by Thomas Woolett. Email us at [email protected] and follow us on social media at handsomepod.

• 22:11Tig Notaro?

  What a podcast.

• 22:13Fortune Feimster?

  What a podcast.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  That was a HeadGum Podcast.