SC EP:1303 Happy Halloween

Halloween is here, and it's the perfect time of year to reflect on the strange, the unexplained, and the experiences that remind us there may be more to this world than we understand. I want to take a moment to thank all of our members and listeners who have taken the time to come forward and share their personal experiences with us. Whether it's an encounter with Sasquatch, something unexplained in the woods, a strange figure seen in the darkness, a ghostly encounter, or an experience that simply defies explanation, these stories are what make this community so special. I know that sharing some of these experiences isn't easy. Many people have kept these stories to themselves for years, sometimes decades. Some have never told another soul. Others have worried about being laughed at, judged, or simply not believed. Yet, despite those concerns, you've found the courage to step forward and share what happened to you.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  They don't make people that that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better. Karen, see ya.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:36Speaker 04

  My name is Atlas and you're listening to the best podcast ever, Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 1:44Speaker 04

  Woohoo!

• 2:08Wes Germer?

  Happy Halloween. Thanks so much for being here. And I really appreciate the members and the listeners sending me these odd accounts, these accounts that happened to them in their life, you know, more than just Bigfoot. And if you've had any of these weird experiences, even if it's not Bigfoot related, email me. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. And I'm going to let the different guests go into it tonight. Normally I kind of give you a preview of what's coming, but I think we'll just roll with it tonight.

• 2:50Wes Germer?

  I want to welcome Charles to the show. Charles, thanks for coming on.

• 2:55Speaker 06

  Thank you, Wes, for having me. I appreciate it very much.

• 3:00Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I sure appreciate you coming on, Charles. And I know that there's two incidences we're going to talk about tonight. One was a paranormal encounter and the other one was a UFO encounter. And all of this takes place in California. We're going back almost 30 years ago at the beginning of the 2000s. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? Walk me into what happened.

• 3:27Speaker 06

  Okay, well, I, it was basically the last two years of my time at the post office. They put me basically half partly into management and then the other part I was doing what they call express mail run. And what I would do is I would go down to the main office, which is in Fresno. And I would collect and sort out the express mail for each town that I would be going to. And I would set it up and get into a staff car and then I would drive to each town, drop off the express mail and then also pick up their express mail to be redelivered back into the main office.

• 4:11Speaker 06

  So that was about a, about a two, little over a 200 mile drive every day. I really enjoyed that job because basically I was on my own in the staff car and, and most of the people that I would go to in the different towns at one time I knew. So it was, it was just a great experience for the last two years. I had just started doing my route and so I would leave from Fresno and I would go to Madeira and then from Madeira to Chowchilla, to Chowchilla, to Los Banos, then to Santa Rita, to Dos Palos, Fireball, Mendota, Kermin, back to Madeira and then back to Fresno.

• 4:56Speaker 06

  So one, one day, it was probably about a week after I started, maybe two weeks. I went to Madeira and I had dropped off the express mail that I had and I couldn't leave too early because we were on a schedule. So you can't leave too soon or too late. So I decided I would go into the lunchroom, we called the break room and sit there and wait for my time. And while I was sitting there, there was two ladies at the table and they were talking and I picked up a newspaper that was there and I was reading it. But they started talking about, this one lady started talking about this, this guy she was

• 5:41Speaker 06

  talking to, sitting in their register room. He was sitting in a chair and rocking back and forth. And, and she said that she had said hi to him. He didn't say anything and she asked him a question, I guess. And it was just a very short time. She turned around and he was gone. And she, and I kind of chuckled to myself thinking, wow, a ghost. But then she just started to describe him. And I thought, wow, and that sounds a lot like my brother. My brother did work at that post office and he was killed there.

• 6:23Speaker 06

  So I thought, well, I'll go home and see if I have a picture of him.

• 6:29Speaker 06

  And I did do that and the next day I came in and, and I was looking for her and I'd collected all the express mail. Didn't see her right away and I figured, well, maybe she's off today and I started to leave and she just had come around the corner.

• 6:47Speaker 06

  And I stopped her and I said, hi, how you doing? And I said, you remember when you were talking to your friend in the break room yesterday? And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, you were talking about the ghost guy and she goes, oh, yeah. And not just me, but there was other people that had seen it. I'd only been working here a short time. I think she said two years.

• 7:09Speaker 06

  And I said, yeah, I had my picture in my left pocket and I pulled it out and I showed it to her. And she looked at it and honestly, the look on her face, you literally, she just turned white and, and she said, oh my God, that's him. And I said, yeah, that's, that's my brother. I said, he was killed in 1984. So she honestly, it affected her so much that she actually got sick. And so it's, it was a very, very strange experience and I'd found out that this had been going on for quite, quite some time.

• 7:54Speaker 06

  Cause I'd retired in 2005 and this happened around 2003. And so, yeah, that, that was, that was quite an experience, something I never expected. Nobody knew who I was. I had a different last name than my brother. So it was, it was quite an experience. You never expected that.

• 8:20Wes Germer?

  Yeah, no kidding. That's shocking. Had you heard about other times when he had been seen?

• 8:27Speaker 06

  Yes. Matter of fact, the strange thing.

• 8:33Speaker 06

  One of the guys there, it was a couple of days later and, and he stopped me and he, I guess he had been with my brother the, the very night that he got killed. And I, I didn't add this into my, my story, but my, my mom, because my brother lived in Madeira County there. And my mom had told me a week before he got killed. She said that he had told her

• 9:09Speaker 06

  that he was going home.

• 9:13Speaker 06

  And he started to pass a car. I guess it was a truck, actually, a truck and he pulled out to, to pass. And he said, there was a car right there. And he said, he's, he doesn't know how or how it happened, but he said, he didn't hit the car. He spun. And when he stopped, I mean, there was nobody there. But he said, the only thing, he said, he had to go through the car. Because when he pulled out, it was right there. And even his wife said that that happened. So that was a week before it happened. My brother was killed and I had on collision, burned up in, in the car.

• 9:58Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I'm so sorry to hear about your brother. It's tragic. What do you think happens when you die? Do you think it was your brother these people were seeing?

• 10:08Speaker 06

  Well, I, I come from a faith-based belief. I, I don't believe it was my brother. I believe it was an imitation. And of course, this had been happening long before I, you know, long before I went to the post office there. So, um, I, I believe it, I believe it's, um, I don't know how people like to call it, but an imitating spirit, basically is what I'd like to call it. I don't believe it was my brother. But that's the interesting thing. I think it can imitate. And, you know, not while, too long ago, I was reading in, um, Enoch.

• 10:52Speaker 06

  And it talks about these, these spirits can take many different forms. In other words, they can appear in many different forms. So that's kind of the way I, I approach that. So I, I choose to have to believe that, that it was my brother.

• 11:08Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I think you and I have the same mindset. I think it is a imitating spirit, demon, whatever people want to call it. If I work for the post office and I die and I spend the afterlife in my post office, uniform at the post office I worked. I can't think of a worse hell. You know what I mean?

• 11:30Speaker 06

  Exactly. Yes. Yeah, that's, that's true. I, I, so I'm, but it took me a while. I, I, um, that was just quite of a shock to me when I, when I experienced that. I never, up until that point, I mean, I basically had never experienced

• 11:49Speaker 06

  really anything much of what you would call paranormal or, or anything else. And, um, seems like that was a kind of a, a jump off point for me.

• 12:00Wes Germer?

  How long did he continue to show up? Or do you know?

• 12:04Speaker 06

  Uh, you know, I don't know. I've honestly, uh, I've honestly thought about going back. It's been quite a long time now, but I've honestly thought about going back and, and talking to some of the carriers or the managers there and ask them then if they're still seeing that, uh, that image or that, that ghost, you want to call it that. So, uh, I don't know. I, I left it at that. I didn't, didn't pursue it.

• 12:33Wes Germer?

  The strange part is, you know, you had mentioned right before he died, he drove through, what was it? Like an apparition of a car?

• 12:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was going home. Uh, he was by himself. His wife told me this is what he told her too. Also is that he was getting, he was going home and he was, of course, in his uniform. And he pulled out to pass a car or a truck, I guess it was. But as soon as he pulled out, he said, the car was right there. I mean, it was right there and he, he's, I guess slammed on the brakes and spun, but he said, there's no way he could not have missed him. And that was a week before it happened.

• 13:15Wes Germer?

  That's a little spooky, almost like foreshadowing. What's your take on what happened to your brother with that ghost car?

• 13:24Speaker 06

  Uh, um, uh, maybe a warning? I don't know. Uh, that's the only thing I can think of. It's a possible warning of what could happen or what's going to happen. It's hard to say, really. A lot of, lot of strange things, even if you're, you know, a believer, uh, as I am, about what takes place, we don't, we're not going to have all the answers to it. But my thing is you just got to hold on to your faith and, and that's the most important part.

• 13:58Wes Germer?

  I would agree with you. I think faith is the most important part. And I also agree with you in saying, I, I don't think it was your brother. You know, I've interviewed people in the past who, uh, like parents and they have a ghost in the house. And it's supposedly a ghost of a child that plays with their child. And they're like, oh, this dead child, you know, died a hundred years ago. And it's never a child and it always ends in a dark place. Like I said, you and I are on the same page. Take me to 2010 out there in California. Tell me about what happened.

• 14:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, after I retired, my wife and I, we moved up to, uh, Oakhurst, uh, which was actually, we were above Oakhurst. And we were only a few miles from the Yosemite National Park. It was beautiful. Loved it there. But we had to move down. I was moving, driving down every day, long, long drives to my, uh, parents, take care of my dad. So my mom insisted that we move down, uh, sell our place and move down. So we, we were in the process of selling. So before Oakhurst is, is Course Gold and that's about a seven mile difference. Still in the, in the mountains.

• 15:18Speaker 06

  And so they have a place there, uh, that, uh, when you come into Course Gold, it's a, it's an open area. They got a little teepee and, and stuff and, and where people can sell their crafts and, and products and goods. So I decided, well, I brought my stuff and my Durango and, and I set up a little booth and stuff. And I decided I would spend a couple of nights there. And, uh, I was talking to some of the vendors, told them I was going to spend the night and watch over my things. And they asked me to do the same.

• 15:54Speaker 06

  And of course I was glad to, glad to do that since I was already going to be there. So after everything was over and everybody went, went off or went home. Uh, it was all around 10:30 at night and I was talking with my friend, Richard. And got off the phone. And so I look out over the front, everything looked good and clear. It's not a real big area.

• 16:20Speaker 06

  So I laid out my, my, I laid out my sleeping bag and thought, okay. I was backed up against a kind of a bigger space of just grass and trees.

• 16:34Speaker 06

  And I thought, well, I'll look out there just in, just for the heck of it. I don't even know why I looked out there. I didn't, you know, nobody goes out there. But I did. And probably, you know, I don't know, 20, 30 feet away, there is this tree. It's not there anymore, but there was this tree. And by the tree, there was this round beach ball, big beach ball sized,

• 16:58Speaker 06

  sphere, I guess you could call it.

• 17:01Speaker 06

  And I looking at it, I said, what? Uh, and it was like a couple of feet off the ground. And I thought, what in the world is that? And, and as soon as I thought that, I didn't say it to my, I just thought it. And the thing started moving around. And I watched it and I, I was honestly, I was, I just got off the phone. You think that I would have remembered? I've got a camera on my phone. I could have filmed this thing. I didn't even, it didn't even cross my mind. And I'm watching this. I was just mesmerized. And, uh, it moved around and then it kind of got, it went in the center and then went up about, I don't know, 20, 30 feet and stopped.

• 17:46Speaker 06

  I mean, like, just like a snap of a finger. Then it dropped back down. And when it did that, honestly, it did, it scared the crap out of me. And I, I had a 38 in my glove compartment and, and a powerful flashlight. And so I got it, came back out and it was still there, moving around. And I got my flashlight and I shined on it. And I thought, whoa, it's just like, had somebody put a, I don't know, like a black hole in, in the center of space there. It, there was no reflection whatsoever.

• 18:27Speaker 06

  It would light up the lawn around it that wasn't fly, you know, hitting it. But I'm, I'm kind of wondering if it wasn't a hologram or some kind of thing, but it wouldn't, it wouldn't reflect at all. So it moved around, uh, for, I don't know, maybe another minute or two minutes or three minutes. And then it went back up like another 20, 30 feet and stopped. And then I'm not kidding you, just like a snap of the finger, this thing was going over the, over the horizon. I mean, it was so quick. And it honestly, it, I, it, I couldn't, I didn't know what to think.

• 19:11Speaker 06

  And I didn't, I was going to have another night there and I was, I thought, well, I'm going to, I'm going to get out. If it comes back, I'm going to see what it is and I'm going to take my 38 with me. It never did come back and I'm glad, honestly glad it didn't. But honest, I couldn't sleep, uh, probably two or three nights after that I couldn't sleep. It was just, it left such an impression. And I had not realized that, uh, that, that weekend over the news, that there was a number of sightings over the Fresno Clovis area. And, uh, and even, uh, it was, it was an article that one of the crafts

• 19:57Speaker 06

  that they saw had landed on one of the Clovis farmers land. And they said it was there for, I don't know, 45, maybe an hour. Uh, and, uh, and some, I guess some trucks or something like that came and picked this thing up and hauled it off. It was a crazy weekend. So that, that was my, my experience.

• 20:20Wes Germer?

  I think I've actually watched videos of what you saw that night of this thing flying around in the air. Cause you're really not describing a ball of light. It's more like a metallic ball.

• 20:33Speaker 06

  Yes. Yeah. Almost like aluminum looking.

• 20:37Wes Germer?

  And you probably said it and I might've missed it. How far away from you was it?

• 20:43Speaker 06

  Uh, well, at, at the beginning, uh, it was, it was no more than 20 or 30 feet. I mean, it was close. But I mean, it was 10:30 at night. It was dark, but I could still see it because there was some lights where people had their, uh, their products and stuff was still kind of being able to shine. But I could, I could see it, but I couldn't see it that well, but it was not far away. It was really pretty close. But when I shined a light on it, cause it, when it was out, it was where I, I would guess probably about maybe it had moved probably maybe 60 feet away. Close to that. When I shined the light on it, it didn't shine anything back. It just like it wasn't.

• 21:29Speaker 06

  It would just like it turned like a black hole, something black in space, but it was just really weird, very, very strange. Didn't make any sense, any normal sense to me, anyway.

• 21:42Wes Germer?

  Like I said, I know I've seen videos of what you saw, even before AI. I remember watching these videos online of people would film them with their phones and it's about the size of a beach ball or so, and it's metallic, just flying through the air. And I remember looking at it going, well, it's, it's too small to have passengers. I don't know what in the world that thing is. That's very interesting about when you shine the light on it, how it just went black. It didn't reflect anything back. And so this thing eventually just shot straight up in the air?

• 22:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, it, I mean, it's the move. It was so quick. It was just almost like a, like a blink and it was, it, it moved up so quick. Ah, I don't know how to describe it. I just, when it took off, it was out of sight within, I would say, two seconds. I mean, that's how fast it was. I mean, it was just boom and it was gone. I, I don't know how fast it would be to have, you know, have it out of your sight in two seconds, but it had to be awful fast. And the fact that, that all these accounts on that weekend, I'm just

• 23:02Speaker 06

  thinking maybe, maybe it was military or something like that. But it did get me to researching. That's when I started to research and, and look into this UFO issue. So I, I did look at it and I know there's a lot of things out there, a lot of things that think of before even 2017, when they were talking about the Tic Tac issue. I was saying that our military, or I mean, our government knows about these things and are involved because there's a, there's a website called The Black Box and that's a guy that started when he

• 23:44Speaker 06

  was a teenager getting all the FOIA documents from government on a number of different topics. And one of them is UFOs. It's pretty clear that our government has known and not stopped looking at the issue of UFOs when the Blue Book project closed. They never did stop. They've always been serious, but they've also used a lot of, I believe, conspiracy to make people, if you've witnessed something or seen something, to make them look like kooks. And just to keep the project of what they're doing, possibly doing as a secret, keep it secret.

• 24:31Wes Germer?

  Yeah, no doubt the government's involved. And not only just our government, I'm talking about worldwide governments are involved. You know, earlier I talked about seeing videos of that ball flying through the air. Have you ever seen anything like that online? And did it kind of match what you saw?

• 24:49Speaker 06

  Yes. As a matter of fact, now that you've mentioned that, that's, that's one of the things that I think we've all, everybody has seen, you know, if you've seen a flying saucer or some kind of craft, up until that point, and honestly, I, I didn't even know that there was such things as spheres flying through, up until that point, I had never, whether it was online or not. Of course, back in, when I was moving in, I didn't, wasn't online that much, but I had never seen a sphere. I didn't even know that there were spheres flying, you know, through the air. And that was, that was the first experience.

• 25:31Speaker 06

  And after that, then I started seeing online, a number of different spheres show up. So yeah, that, it, it, you know, I've, I've seen some of them, I've seen where aircraft, airline pilots have filmed a sphere flying across their, their, their site. They get it on camera and from their cockpit. And, and I think, holy cow, man, that's just what, that's what I looked at. I mean, it looks like the same thing. So early on, when I started seeing the spheres, I would get these goosebumps, these chills of seeing this thing.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  So yeah, I, it's, it's, it's strange. And, you know, I, I hate to say it, but after that, I mean, I've, I've had other experiences that just, I, I can't explain.

• 26:27Wes Germer?

  Tell me more.

• 26:29Speaker 06

  Well, I put it in one of my books because I wrote about this. It was after my brother situation and it was a year later because it was right when I was getting ready to retire. And it was a year later, I was on my second year of doing the, the express mail run. And when I would come in here and, or there in Fresno, I would come in early in the morning and pick up our van. And there's only one van in, in the whole station. And so I would

• 27:09Speaker 06

  come in, in this morning, this one morning, I come pick my keys up, went to go get the van so I could drive down to the main office in Fresno. So I always park it in one particular area up by the fence. And so I went out the double doors, post office and looked in the spot where I parked it and it wasn't there. So I, I walked in, stood in the spot and I thought, what? Maybe somebody came and picked it up. And so I thought, well, I'll just walk the, our lot. We had quite a few trucks, postal trucks. And I would walk around because

• 27:54Speaker 06

  it was like a horseshoe shape and see if somebody picked it up and parked it in one of the other stalls. So I walked around and it wasn't there. Came back and I stood in the spot again thinking, oh, well, maybe, maybe some, maybe one of the guys from maintenance came and picked the spare key up because we had two keys. So I went inside and I looked at our, our board and the spare key was there. So I thought, okay, I'll go out. I went out again and I stood in spot, I stood in the spot three times thinking, okay, I'll go

• 28:35Speaker 06

  around one more time. Maybe I just somehow missed it, which was weird because during that particular time of day, all the carriers are out loading up their trucks. There was nobody loading up anything. So I walked around and not there. I thought, okay, somebody stole the truck. So I came in and told the supervisor there, I said, you know, Al, I think somebody stole the truck. He looked at me and he said, what? Nobody's come and picked the truck up. Or so he got up and we both all walked out together. And I, we're

• 29:14Speaker 06

  talking maybe two minutes, three minutes difference, walked out there. And when we went out the double doors, there was the truck or the van. And he looked at me like, yeah, right. You know, like I was trying to pull one over on him. So he turned around, he just cracked a smile and then walked back in and I just stood there, flabbergasted. I mean, I stood in the spot three times. It still bothers me today how something like this could happen. So I thought, okay, well, I closed the store up at, the, the post office

• 29:54Speaker 06

  at night. So that was part of the management job. I also had control of all the mileage of all the vehicles. So I got on the computer and I looked it up, got the mileage, went out there and no mileage has been used. The van was cool. Nobody used it. I, I can't explain it. I stood in the spot three times and made myself look like a fool going out there with Al. And it just, I don't, I can't explain it. But it was about, I don't know,

• 30:35Speaker 06

  maybe a month later, I was listening to a theoretical physicist talk about people having time slips. And I, I don't know. But one lady who I used to work with, she said that maybe, maybe I wasn't supposed to leave at that particular time. I don't, I don't know. That kind of gave me a little comfort, you know, I'm, I'm not sure. But that's the most craziest thing that ever happened in my life. I mean, that I, I don't know how to explain it. It really bothers me. The van wasn't there.

• 31:18Wes Germer?

  It does sound like a time slip. It's kind of like deja vu. I do explain deja vu. I've had it happen to me many times in my life where I'll be talking to someone and it's like, I've been here before. We've, we've already done this before. But this is like a whole different level. Well, what do you think happened?

• 31:38Speaker 06

  Well, the only odd thing was, is when I was walking around on the lot to see where the van was, is that nobody was out there. There was, I mean, it was nothing. I mean, and at that particular time, every day for two years, guys are loading up their vehicle ready to go out on the street and, and carry. Nobody was. I, I don't, I can't explain that. That's the only thing that's different. But when you, when you go and you, you stand in the, the parking spot three times and then come back out just a few minutes later

• 32:18Speaker 06

  and it's there. I don't, I honestly, even as a believer, I don't know how to, I don't know how to explain that. That's going to probably bother me the rest of my life.

• 32:33Speaker 06

  From that point, I had had other, other sightings. And I know my, you know, when you, my wife, she believes me, but I, I think she probably had doubt until one, uh, one year, we took my granddaughter to, uh, Kent, Washington. She was going to be living there for a while. And we were coming back and, and we had just got into Cal, well, we got into California and we were, we'd passed, actually, uh, we were in between Madera, no, not Madera, uh, Merced and Chowchilla. And it was still daylight,

• 33:14Speaker 06

  but it was kind of dusk. And my wife said, what in the world is that light? And we were, it was just a huge bright light over, over the field. And it was a little ways away. And we were both looking at, I mean, it was a very huge bright light. And as we're looking at it, the thing just disappeared. Well, that night, uh, it was on the news and the people that were closer to it said it was a, it was a craft, a UFO, and that the thing just disappeared over them. So then now she really did believe, really did believe me.

• 33:58Wes Germer?

  And so from yours and your wife's perspective, it's not like you guys saw a flying saucer? This was just a bright light?

• 34:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was just like a very, very bright star almost. And, but it, but it was, it couldn't have been a star because it was so low to the ground. And so, yeah, that, that helped her believe. And then one other point, uh, tell you about the experience is that I ride motorcycles. So I was with some buddies on, and we were in Monterey. I was taking pictures of the, the Bay Area and stuff. And one of the guys that, uh, I was staying bunking with in the room, after we got through walking around and stuff, uh, I was going through my pictures and, um, I was looking at the bay and

• 34:51Speaker 06

  I thought, well, what is that? And I can't, you know how you can enlarge the picture on your phone? And I got a, a picture of this UFO that I didn't see there. I don't know how I couldn't see it, but it's crazy. And, uh, my friend Gary said, man, I'm not going to hang around with you anymore. But it's just, it's right there. And I, I got that saved and I put it in, put it in one of my books.

• 35:20Wes Germer?

  What's the name of your book? I would love to read it.

• 35:24Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, it's, uh, one of them is, is called Blindsided UFOs, Government and God. And then the, the other one is, uh, and this deals with a lot of other things. So it's called Invisible Battleground, Non-Human Influence. That's on Amazon. I wrote those, uh, was more so for basically like a therapy. Okay. So it's, uh, I think that the things and that up until this point, until 2010, I didn't experience anything. I think a lot of times there's, there's a, I don't know if you've

• 36:05Speaker 06

  ever heard of her. She's passed away, um, at a pretty young age, but, uh, uh, her name is, um, Carla Turner, Dr. Carla Turner. And she was a PhD in English and, and she had an experience and it changed her whole life. She started looking, you can even see her, I think on YouTube. And she has some of the best insight as far as research. She's not a Christian, I don't believe, but she has some great insight into what's going on. She points out, and I, I tend to believe this, is

• 36:44Speaker 06

  that if you see a UFO, it's because they've allowed you to see them. And I, I tend, after my research, I tend to kind of believe that. So it's a, it's a, there's a lot of strange things going on.

• 37:01Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I've actually read, uh, Carla's book, Taken. It's been like 30 years since I've read it, but I actually have read her books before.

• 37:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, Taken and, and Masquerade of Angels, I think is the other one, something like that. And yeah, she wrote three, I believe it was.

• 37:20Wes Germer?

  Yeah. And I'll, I'll have to check out your books as well, Charles. And I really appreciate sharing these weird experiences that you had. I know none of them were Bigfoot related, but what do you think Bigfoot is, Charles?

• 37:34Speaker 06

  Well, you know, I've, I've listened to your program and, and others and, uh, I, now I know people go one way or the other. They say, well, it's spiritual or it's, it's physical. First of all, I believe the spiritual can be physical also. I, I stand that. And I, I take that from basically, uh, a biblical position because angels showed up, Jesus showed up eating, uh, fish and, and stuff with him after his resurrection. Um, so I believe that the Bigfoot can be spiritual

• 38:11Speaker 06

  and, and, uh, and physical at the same time. But there's one, uh, one story I heard, and I can't really honestly remember what site it was. I listened mostly to your site, but it was the other site. And a fella, well, it was being read. I, I take that back. It was, uh, the person was reading a letter that was sent to them. And it was only about a six minute long, five or six minute long, uh, letter. But he said, and then this is a Cliff Notes, basically the Reader's Digest version of it. He said, I know that what I'm about to tell you is, uh, people are not going

• 38:51Speaker 06

  to believe. He says, I work with the government. I can't tell you what part. He says that the Bigfoot are not, uh, even though they've been here for many, many hundreds of years. He says they're not indigenous to this planet. He said, um, that they have the ability to basically teletransport. Some of them have gone rogue. Basically, that's all I can remember. But I thought that was awful strange. And that I guess other beings have kind of created these, these creatures, these Bigfoot

• 39:30Speaker 06

  type of creatures. And so, uh, it could be, it could have something to do with, because you've got, uh, you've got a entities, some people call them angels, others call them demons, uh, fallen angels, whatever. But they're, they're entities that can come in many different forms. They also have, I believe they also have the ability to manipulate DNA. So this may be a result of those fallen angels that have manipulated DNA and also have the ability to, if you want to call it,

• 40:09Speaker 06

  appear and disappear in dimensions. So it, it, it could be a result of that. I don't, none of us really know for sure, but, and we all have speculations of where we're, how we look at it. But I think that's one possibility.

• 40:26Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I agree with you. I think things that are spiritual can definitely be physical. You know, I was reading through this, uh, recent UFO dump the Pentagon did. And I haven't actually gone through the full thing yet. But as I was sitting there reading this document, it sounds like the government's describing like a dog man. They're talking about this upright canine. And I mean, it sounds like a dog man report, but the government's putting this out along with the UFO files. And it reminds me of, um, I believe it's Luke 2111. And Luke's talking about like great earthquakes,

• 41:07Wes Germer?

  there'd be famine, there'd be pestilence. And he also says, and fearful sights. Well, that fearful sights is how we kind of translate it into English, or I'm assuming that's how they translate it into English. But the, the word for fearful sights in Greek, the actual word Luke uses is phobatron. And phobatron actually means monsters. Check it out if you get a chance. I think it's Luke 2111. But that fearful sights, the actual Greek word is phobatron. And you know, I've had this gut feeling and I'm curious on your thoughts. Do you feel like the UFO thing has been ramping up,

• 41:51Wes Germer?

  especially over like the last 10 years?

• 41:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, it started more ramping up after 2017 and when they released the Tic Tac, uh, information and the, if you notice that the news media, uh, kind of did a turnabout without, no longer making really fun of it and taking it seriously. Especially, uh, was it, uh, New York, was it New York Post or New York Times? Uh, Leslie Blumenthal, I think she's the one who helped bring that about. Uh, at that point, that's when the change took place. And I, I even wrote saying that from this point on, it, you're going to see more and more taking place. And it sure has. I

• 42:38Speaker 06

  mean, David Grush coming out testifying, uh, a number of other pilots testifying. Yeah, you, you've got, uh, you've got a, a ramp up of reveals. And I believe it was a, oh, and I don't remember his name offhand, former CIA coming out and saying that, um, 2027, uh, he believes they are going to reveal these entities. So aliens or UFOs. We've talked about, and I, I point out that, uh, I, you

• 43:19Speaker 06

  know, we see Independence Day and, and things like that. I don't believe, uh, that it would ever take place like that. That's a, that's kind of a, uh, maybe an old, old fashioned way of, you know, fighting and that kind of thing, I think. I think if anything is taking place, it's, it's already being done through possibly DNA and covertly and has been taking place for, for a long time. That if there's an invasion, it had to have to be covertly rather than because, rather than, you know, blowing up things and that, that kind of stuff.

• 44:01Speaker 06

  So I, uh, there's an old movie, I think you've probably seen it, uh, where the guy can only see these aliens when they put on sunglasses. They live. Interesting thing about that is in that movie, uh, when he gets, goes undercover and he's among all these people. They said, uh, in 2025, and then, you know, the movie was made in 1984. He says, in 2025, we will have basically taken over every industry in, in the world. And I thought that was a really interesting prediction.

• 44:42Speaker 06

  So, so, uh, there's a lot of stuff going on, I think, behind the scenes that a lot of us don't know and don't realize it's taking place. And it's done so covertly that we won't, or incrementally that we won't, we won't recognize it.

• 45:02Wes Germer?

  Yeah, the world's become a scary place for sure. I don't think it'll be an invasion. It's kind of hard to have an invasion when they're already here and working with governments. Make sure you look at your own government and be like, who, whose side are you guys on? But you know, with everything bad going on in the world, boy, you know, Iran, Russia, the Ukraine, I mean, all down the list, AI, aliens, demons. My soul can only take so much, you know? But I really appreciate you coming on, Charles. And, uh, I enjoyed chatting with you. Thank you so much for taking the time.

• 45:39Speaker 06

  Well, thank you, Wes, for having me and I appreciate it. I honestly didn't expect it to, to be on. I, I wanted to share the story because you'd mentioned, uh, about having other, other stories in Bigfoot. That's something I haven't experienced and hope, honestly, hope I never do. From what I've heard from others and you, you've got, you've had your own experience. And, uh, but I, I deeply appreciate being on and, uh, and I think what you're doing is honestly, whether you realize it or not, is helping people to, to, in a therapeutic way, to get their message out and to be able to talk with somebody.

• 46:21Wes Germer?

  Appreciate the kind words, Charles, and thank you again for coming on.

• 46:36Wes Germer?

  Next up on the show, I want to welcome Mike. Mike, thanks for coming on.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Hey, Wes, happy to be here, man. It's, uh, been listening to you for years, so it's an honor.

• 46:48Wes Germer?

  Oh, the honor is mine and thank you for listening. And you had this strange event happen out there in Massachusetts and we're going back to 1964. If you would take your time, what were you doing and what happened?

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, it was July of 1964 and I was 16, 16 years old and living in a, a small coastal town of Ipswich in Massachusetts, about, about 40 miles north of Boston. And it was about 11 o'clock at night and I was walking a few miles, uh, home, uh, knowing I was going to catch up because I was supposed to be home at 10 o'clock. But, uh, anyhow, I'm walking down the dark road before the, that road had, uh, streetlights like it does now. And I'm thinking, man, I'm gonna get it. I'm, I was walking as fast as I could. I didn't want to tell my mom the real reason I was out so late.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  I, there was a girl that I was really, I really liked in high school and I found out that she was going to be at the bowling alley that night. So, you know, and, uh, I, I want to reiterate that there was no romance. I don't, I don't know that she even knew I existed, but you know, such is the high school, uh, life, but in any event, uh, so I was coming home thinking, what am I going to say? What am I going to say? Cause I couldn't tell my mom that. Um, and I saw this, I just happened to see, uh, this light in the sky. It was a bright, uh, summer night, moonlit, the whole deal, million stars in the sky. And I just happened to look up and I saw this star, looked like a star until it moved.

• 48:26Speaker 03

  It moved like two or three inches, uh, let's say from, you know, left to right across the sky. And it was at about, I would say 45 degrees on the horizon. It moved and then it stopped and I stopped to see what the heck was that? And I thought, you know, maybe I was mistaken. And then after a couple of minutes, it did it again. So I started walking again, but keeping my eye on it. And I was a, you know, quarter mile or so from home and it was still doing it. And I was fascinated, but, and I was, but in my brain, ah, I have, now I have a story I can tell my mom because she was always, uh, one of those people that really interested

• 49:11Speaker 03

  in the paranormal. I mean, when I was a kid, the first things I ever heard about, I don't know, Loch Ness Monster or the Abominable Snowman was from my mom. She would hand me stories like in a Reader's Digest form of that kind of stuff. So, uh, but flying saucers or UFOs were the number one thing on her radar in terms of that kind of thing. Anyhow, I got home and there she was, you know, all five feet tall, but man, if you crossed her, you were in trouble. And she said, where were you? You know? My younger 14 year old brother was, uh, standing there next to her and we both knew I was going to get it. But I said, I would have been on time, except I was watching this, this light in the sky

• 49:56Speaker 03

  and it kept moving and then it would stop. And she's, well, that's no excuse. You're supposed to be home at 10. And then, you know, I saw her, you know, give me that look like, uh, show me these lights. Anyhow, we went out into the backyard and our backyard kind of abutted, I don't know, 30 or 40 acres of marsh. So we stood there for a minute and I'm trying to find the spot on the sky where, where it had happened. And I'm, you know, my mom is starting to give me the look like, uh, you better not be playing me on this. And, and then my brother saw it and he said, is that it? And, you know, that was it. It started doing the same thing it had done.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  And so for the next, I want to say 45 minutes or so, we watched it. It would go three or four inches to the right and stop, and then go three or four inches to the left and stop. And, and sometimes it stopped like for five minutes or so. And we'd almost wonder if we were still looking at the right place, but then it would move and we would find it again. In any event, uh, at one point my dad came out, wanted to know what we were doing. And, um, you know, the three of us tried to explain it to him and we stood there for five or 10 minutes and it didn't happen. So he kind of, he kind of grunted and went back in the house because he was working 60 hours a week at that time in the summer.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  So we watched it and watched it. My mom, you know, was running through the things. It couldn't be, it couldn't be a helicopter. It couldn't be a shooting star. It couldn't be a satellite. What was it? It wasn't a meteor, obviously. My brother and I, my brother, John and I, we looked off to the left and I want to say at 90 degrees to the left from where we were, we saw another light really low on the horizon behind a neighbor's house. So we, we, we said, told my mom, we're going to go check that out. And she said, you know, just don't wake the neighbors, try to be quiet. So great. So we walked over there, I want to say about a quarter of a mile away, when we finally

• 52:08Speaker 03

  got to a spot where we thought we had seen it. And there wasn't anything there for a minute. And then over the trees, uh, this light came towards us. And I want to say, when we first saw it come up behind the trees, it was probably maybe half the size of a dime or so, if you held it at arm's length. So pretty good size, obviously no longer any thought about it being a star. So it started to come closer and it came closer and closer and it got bigger. And it just sort of glided. For a bit, it almost bobbed back and forth and not any distance back and forth, but just

• 52:52Speaker 03

  kind of like, it was kind of a bobbing thing. And I had the strangest feeling that it was searching for us.

• 53:00Speaker 03

  So we got to, you know, a certain spot and we realized it wasn't going to stop, it was going to keep coming. And I remember standing behind my, our younger brother with my arms around his shoulders and saying, we're not going to run. We're going to find out what this is. So it came toward us and it got to be about the size of, I don't know, a basketball maybe held at arm's length. And it was almost directly above us. And, you know, we were just a dog looking at it. And all of a sudden, this light shone on us and it almost did it almost with a kind of a

• 53:39Speaker 03

  noise. It was an audible thing we heard when it came at us, when the light just focused on it. It was like a spotlight, almost. Part of my brain was thinking, it's got to be a helicopter, but I don't hear any sound. Right after that, the light coming on is the last thing I remember about the event, even after all these years. Now, my brother, on the other hand, said, he's always been surprised that I don't remember anymore, because he said, right after that light shone on us, the light that came from this big circular thing, that a second later, it just dissolved into like seven or eight different colored discs that kind of revolving

• 54:24Speaker 03

  around. And then it became one disc again, and then shot up into the sky and in a split second disappeared. So that's it. I mean, in some ways, that's it. It's just really troubled me over the years that I can't remember anything like that, because obviously, that would have been a really cool thing to see. And John never felt threatened by it. I didn't either, really, except the fact that I can't remember anything past that moment. And the rest of it is so clear to me. It's, I've thought a few times over the years of maybe getting some

• 55:03Speaker 03

  regression hypnotizing, but I haven't been able to get past thinking of the possibility of doing that. So, you know, there's some form of PTSD going on here, I think. And I don't know, I always tell my brother, well, maybe that's what happened. Maybe that isn't what happened. Maybe that's something that you're supposed to remember as opposed to what really happened. Who knows? I don't know. I have no evidence that we got abducted. I have none of that. But when it went into the sky, my brother says, because I do remember after that, walking back to where my mom was. And it was so weird. We didn't say a word about

• 55:44Speaker 03

  that to her. I have no idea why. He and I have talked about it over the years a number of times. But we never, you know, and haven't told too many people, because especially back then in the 60s, oh, little green men, or, you know, you'd get kind of a little, much the way that people that have had Sasquatch experience get belittled often. Now, it's taken a whole lot more serious now, but at the time. In any event, maybe as a postscript to this, the next night, there was a radio station in the Boston area, it's called WBZ.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  It had like 50,000 watts, and you could hear it from, you know, southern Canada to, you know, the mid-Atlantic coast. And they had this, this guy on whose name was Edwin Fogg, and there's an unforgettable name for you. And he was the head of the regional New England UFO Investigator Committee, whatever. So they were taking phone calls. And my mom called in. And she told about the experience. And she was told to, you know, stay on the line. And this guy took her name and address. And the next day, he came to Ipswich in the afternoon.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  And my mom was telling him the story, and he wanted to go out back and see exactly where these things happened. And I remember when he saw the marsh, he just, he seemed disappointed. And I didn't know why at the time. But once again, my brother and I didn't want to ruin my mom's story by telling him all this other crazy stuff that these two kids saw, because it didn't feel like it would have been, I don't know, respected or whatever. So yeah, that's what that, that happened that day. But I guess even weirder, the next day, we

• 57:47Speaker 03

  were visited by some guy in a military uniform. I was too young at the time to really know whether it was, you know, Army, Navy, Air Force, whatever. Very official looking guy. And he listened to the story. And he went out back and saw the spot and he said, marsh grass. That's what it is. You saw, you just saw some, some marsh gas coming off the marsh grass. And, and so he belittled the whole thing. And he said, that's, that's your story. If I, if you're going to keep telling the story, you should mention that it was probably

• 58:25Speaker 03

  marsh gas. And the odd thing is that being, you know, living near the marsh for all those years, and having all my friends who also lived near the marsh, and a whole town on the coast, there wasn't one story that we ever heard, even all these years later, of marsh gas. It was just a really convenient dismissal. It's like telling someone who saw Sasquatch, you saw a bear. No, I know I didn't see a bear. I've heard enough of stories on, on your show to know that if you want to dismiss it, it's really easy to do. But if you really listen to the story, maybe something else is going on. I know, I've heard

• 59:10Speaker 03

  you say, you know, not only is the world a stranger place than we know, but I think you add to that, it's stranger than we're able to know. Who knows what, what's going on out there?

• 59:24Wes Germer?

  Yeah, this world's a weird place for sure. Now, what you saw, Mike, it wasn't like a craft. It was more like a ball of light, correct?

• 59:34Speaker 03

  It was, yeah, and it wasn't, you couldn't see through it. It was, it was a bright, big, bright thing that didn't seem to give off any light, if that makes any sense, until the spotlight hit us. And I mean, you couldn't see through it. It was a very rich, the way a lamplight could look that way or something. Just a slight bit of that, but, but very bright without giving off light. I mean, and very well-defined edges to it. Wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't anything I could, I just couldn't put my finger on any possible thing it could

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  be. It just, it seemed to have, it definitely had form, and it seemed to have substance. But what I want to say, when we got back to where my mom was, we were that same thing, do that little dance back and forth, maybe till four o'clock in the morning. And then it stopped in the middle of what it was doing and shot straight up in the sky and was gone in a blink. So, yeah.

• 1:00:48Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's really weird, especially the way you describe it, like it was looking for you. How big was it? And how close was it?

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  Well, I would say, I would guess it was maybe 50 feet, maybe a little more above us. In other words, very close. And as I said, it was kind of like a basketball held at arm's length. So, I mean, given that, maybe it was 40 or 50 feet wide, given the distance. And the bobbing, I want to say bobbing, it's not even the right word. It just seemed to be, the way a rodent or something goes, an inch or two, sniffs and stops, sniffs and stops, little head back and forth kind of thing. It almost had that kind of a, not to compare anything at all else about it to a rodent, but it almost had that, that

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  kind of searching the area, kind of a feel about it.

• 1:01:50Wes Germer?

  When you look back at that moment now, Mike, what do you think it was?

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  I don't think it was from this, this world. I think, I think my feeling is that it can appear the way it wants to appear. I just, it felt foreign. It felt, it didn't feel like some kind of a, I know when I hear people talk about seeing lights in the woods.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  I get the feeling from their stories that they feel it's some kind of um, something from this world that we don't know anything about, but this didn't feel that way. This felt, I felt an intelligence from it, if that, if it, if I could say that, I felt an intelligence coming from it. I didn't feel any brain talk. I didn't feel any, any, um, you know, um, not even a sense of foreboding or, or even danger. I just felt there was some intelligence to it and uh, it was checking us out. Now, how much it checked us out is what I, what I keep thinking I

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  should go and get hypnotized, but I don't know. I'm 78 now, so maybe I, I can put my uh, dread aside. I only feel dread now because it, of the missing, the missing memory. Um, but yeah.

• 1:03:13Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's a part that really intrigues me. You know, you could probably pass it off and go, well, you were, you know, scared and, but you know, according to your own account, you guys really weren't that scared. There's just this weird thing in the sky. And, and before he hit you with that light or that spotlight, you heard this sound. Was it like a mechanical sound?

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was almost as if, you know, you can almost hear a floodlight come on. It, it had kind of the same kind of a feel to it. It just, it made kind of a chunk noise. As if um, something mechanical had just put the spotlight on us.

• 1:03:56Wes Germer?

  It's kind of a blessing that your brother was there. Otherwise, you might have gone all of these years and thinking that you'd been abducted. You know what I mean?

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  I used to, you know, it's funny because we, we laugh about it often and once or twice, we've gone to the same spot in the daytime, all these years later and stood there. And uh, he's, he'll, he'll discuss it. Then, we were standing right here and that's when they, it dissolved into six or seven smaller discs and they all shot around the colorful blah, blah, blah. And they came back to one piece and boom, into the sky and gone. So yeah, I mean, it is a good thing he was here because uh, I don't know how I would have been able to process it. I still have a little

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  trouble processing it, but I know um, you're right. Had I, had he not been there, yeah. I, I don't know what I would have uh, if I would have been able to ever tell anybody. So it's good we have that to share. And I know it's not, it's not often that um, people have a, let's not say terrifying, people who have a extraordinary experience, sometimes one of them doesn't want to talk about it because it, it kind of fractures uh, the reality of uh, what you think is really going on in the world. And I don't know. Yeah.

• 1:05:23Wes Germer?

  What was kind of your mom's thoughts about this whole thing?

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Since she never saw the close up that we saw, and even if that was something different, that thing going back and forth that we saw way up in the sky. Uh, she always claimed that uh, it was an unidentified flying object. So for her, that meant flying saucer. I mean, and, and she had no trouble believing that because she'd been doing her homework on the subject for, from the very beginning. Uh, cause she was uh, you know, I say a young adult during the Roswell thing, young adult twenties or thirties when the Roswell thing happened. And so that kind of opened

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  the door for people of her generation. And it was an ongoing story by the time I was in high school in the sixties. So there wasn't any uh, there was still the little green men tag to it all. But the fact that the, the government seemed to be um, holding something back. And, and I know I, I, someone had said to me that um, when Gerald Ford uh, was a congressman, he kept trying to call the government to task, saying, we need more information. There's obviously something going on here. We're not being told. And then he became president and never revisited that subject. So

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  that only kind of added fuel to the uh, to the stuff that um, a lot of us were thinking at the time.

• 1:06:58Wes Germer?

  You know, Mike, you lived in a time where if you said he saw UFO, you were crazy. You know, the little green men, and they would do everything to discredit people. You know, like in your case, sell us swamp gas. But you know, you go from this period of time where if he saw UFO, you're crazy. And now we live in a time where the government's like, oh yeah, yeah, these things are real. And they're releasing all these documents from, I mean, going back to the forties, that not only was it not a joke, the government was actively very interested in investigating these sightings that people were seeing in the sky. What's kind of your feelings on that? Seeing the government do this 180?

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  You know, I start to sound like a conspiracy theorist when I tell my real feelings, but I will. Um, I, I feel that they are gonna give us just a, a little bite here and a little bite there and that they know so much more. And they're telling us they don't know. I don't believe that. I think um, I think there's been contact. And I think uh, that, I don't know how much more I can say than that because that's just my feeling, but I don't have any evidence other than uh, well, I don't know, certain files that were supposedly leaked years ago called majestic 12 and different

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  things that supposedly illustrated uh, the, the need that the government felt to keep it uh, keep it silent, keep silent on it for our own good. Maybe uh, maybe they're right that if they tell us that yes, they have relationships with three or four different alien species, maybe the world would crack. But I, I just, I, you know, they're gonna nickel and dime us forever, I think, because the story's bigger than they want to tell us. So that's my feeling.

• 1:08:54Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's a strange account. If I were in your shoes, I think the one thing that would bother me is a missing memory. I don't know if it's missing time. I mean, it kind of sounds like both.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  My, I guess my fear is that the reason I'm, I can't remember is because uh, they, they did something. I know my brother doesn't uh, think that's possible in some ways. He's just confused why I don't remember, but I think they could have um, perhaps they have the ability to uh, make you think something, something else. Okay, they're just a bunch of colored lights and then then it goes bop off into the sky. I, I don't have any evidence for that except my missing memory. It's the old, I have a very, a very vivid memory of so many things in my life and I've never had any issue with anything like that. I mean, I can tell you what I had to eat uh, two years ago at a

• 1:09:50Speaker 03

  certain restaurant. So it's uh, it's just wild. I, I, I really probably should go find somebody to do the regression thing. At the very least, um, maybe the colored lights my brother saw will uh, will surface or something else. But I mean, I, I probably should stop talking about it and do it. Have you had any, do you have any experience with uh, anything like that? Cause there are some people that say, oh, you'll be led a certain way and then, you know, you'll, you'll be, they'll make you think you're seeing something that you didn't see. Just, I mean, not that uh, the hypnotist is a

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  bad person, just that sometimes the line of questioning can lead you to a certain place. And anyhow, I, I don't know what to think of anything like that, but.

• 1:10:44Wes Germer?

  Yeah, many, many, many years ago, it was like a friend of a friend who tried to hypnotize me and she couldn't. I think my EDD kicked in and I got bored halfway through. And so I don't know if I can actually be hypnotized or not. I don't think I personally would do it because I don't want to hand over that much power over my mind to someone. But I have heard of, you know, people who've had positive experiences with it. I think I'm difficult to put down. It's like, even during my show, it's not quite the same thing. But during the show, there's different shows you can listen to where you can tell where I had my jaw surgery and you can tell when the first one was and when

• 1:11:29Wes Germer?

  the second one was. Because of the way I speak, people think I, I'm, I was drunk. I wasn't. But I remember even my anesthesiologist was like, I hate you. And it's because they had a hard time even put me, you know, she was like, gave me the full dose and I'm sitting there with the mask on doing a crossword puzzle and the doctor's like, hit him again. She's like, I don't know if I can hit him again safely. I think I'm just wired different. But going back to being hypnotized, like I said, I, I have heard people who've had positive experiences with it. It's just not for me.

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  The Betty and Barney Hill thing all came about, came to light from them being hypnotized. So, I mean, that's a, there was a famous story that happened a town away from me in Exeter, New Hampshire. I want to say late sixties. This eighteen year old kid was hitching on a dark road and he saw something in the sky that came down really low and it freaked him out. So he went to the nearest neighbor, way before cell phones, of course, and asked if he could call the police. So he did and a police car came and he took him a half

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  mile back to where he said he saw this thing and the policeman saw it too. And eventually a book called Incident at Exeter was written. It became pretty well known in UFO circles. But he, the guy who, that kid, he was, I want to say, from what I heard, he was, he became part celebrity and part hounded by the story because of, you know, the derisive comments and, and that kind of stuff. But the policeman was the anchor for the whole story. So that's what gave it the credibility that it had at the time. So, I mean, it's like in, in, in the Sasquatch circles, you know, they, they act like everybody's just either lying or delusional, but a lot of times you're talking about law enforcement

• 1:13:32Speaker 03

  or military people or doctors, lawyers, everything in between. So, um, something is going on in both, in both of those genres, let's say. Something's going on and, um, to ignore it, uh, is, I think it's foolhardy.

• 1:13:51Wes Germer?

  You'll have to let me know if you end up getting hypnotized. I'd be, I'd be curious to know how it worked for you and my encouraging it by any means, but if you do end up doing it, let me know. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I enjoyed chatting with you, Mike.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  I loved when somebody, I think, called you the, the Sasquatch psychiatrist or something. It's really important, uh, what you do and, and, uh, people need their stories to be taken seriously because oftentimes they can't tell them to, to other people without, uh, you know, getting, getting that eyebrow look there, you know, oh yeah, sure, you know, that kind of thing. But I appreciate it, Wes.

• 1:14:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I appreciate it, Mike. Thank you again.

• 1:14:44Wes Germer?

  Next up, I want to welcome Jack. Jack, thanks for coming on.

• 1:14:48Speaker 07

  Wes, thank you for allowing me to tell my little story. I'm a big fan and I, it's a real treat to get to talk to you.

• 1:14:57Wes Germer?

  Yeah, well, it's nice to chat with you, Jack. Thank you for taking the time. And you're down there in Mississippi. We're going back to 1965. You were a teenager when this happened. If you would, take your time and walk me into what happened.

• 1:15:12Speaker 07

  Okay. Yeah, this was like 61 years ago. I'm, I'm an old man, obviously. This was, um, I'm guessing, I think I was 15, which would have been in 1965, and grew up in a small town in South Mississippi and had a great group of friends and we were all involved in our church and school activities and especially the church activities. We had a youth director that kept us busy with various activities, uh, keeping us on the straight and narrow and out of trouble. I know we'd go out to eat and, uh, we went bowling several times and I only remember one time that we actually went somewhere overnight and I, I think

• 1:15:55Speaker 07

  it was to go to maybe a dude ranch where we did some horseback riding or something like that. But anyway, there were about a dozen of us, uh, loaded on the church bus along with three or four adult chaperones. And we headed out, headed north. It seemed like the ride took about three hours maybe. And we ended up at a, that afternoon at a little roadside motel, kind of an L-shaped motel with, oh, probably 10 rooms on each wing, each of the two wings. It was pretty small operation. Uh, the chaperone said, all right, the boys, you take this wing, the girls, you take that wing. They kept us separated,

• 1:16:37Speaker 07

  which was probably wise. Um, so we all chose our roommates and we threw our gear into the rooms. And then we ended up gathering back out by the pool, had a small pool in between the two wings. We were talking and, uh, cutting up and laughing and whatnot. And, uh, two of the girls came out of the room with a thought was a board game, uh, looked like Monopoly or something like that. And I said, well, okay, we'll see what, what this is about. And it turned out that it was a Ouija board. And I, and probably most of the other kids had never heard of or seen a Ouija board. Um, but these girls brought it out, put it on the table that was out by the pool. And they told us to think of

• 1:17:21Speaker 07

  some questions to ask this board. And then they put their fingers on the little pointer and supposedly some spirits would move the pointer around and answer the questions. So, um, typical teenage questions, you know, does Billy like Suzie? Or does Johnny have a girlfriend? Does, does, uh, you know, this and that and the other, talking about boyfriends and girlfriends. And I think it was probably my second time around. We were going around the circle. People were standing all around the table, watching what was happening with the board. And, um, I was standing where I could kind of see the highway. It was probably about 30 miles, 30 miles, 30 yards away from the hotel. And I just kind of was looking

• 1:18:06Speaker 07

  around thinking, I need to stump these girls with a serious question that they could never know the answer to. I'll see what they do with it. So I was looking around and I noticed on the highway, a blue global moving van passed by on the highway. Said, uh, global trucking company, I think. Said, okay, here's my question. I'm going, I'm going to get them on this one. So I said, all right, girls, what was the name on the side of that truck that just zipped by out there on the highway? I almost laughed out loud because I knew they couldn't answer. So the little pointer started moving around. I said, okay, these, they're, these girls are panicking. They don't know what to do now. So I kept watching

• 1:18:49Speaker 07

  the, the little pointer, moved around and Wes, I still get chills when I think about this. Watching that little pointer and it slowly moved to G L O B A L. I, I couldn't believe it. And I, I don't know if it impressed the other kids or not because they didn't know the answer either. Nobody knew it. But it, it was something else. Um, I, you know, I was the only one facing the highway that day. And there was no way any of the other kids noticed or saw that truck out there, much less two girls sitting down at the table

• 1:19:33Speaker 07

  working the, the pointer. So really, after thinking about it, my, my only explanation is that there are unseen forces out there, you know, spirits, demons or angels all around us. And I think when they are invited to interact with us, they do, which could be good or bad. I've heard some really terrifying Ouija board stories. But, um, you know, I think we were lucky that day because we had a spirit that was, was not evil. I, I like to think about it as it was trying to be helpful. It may have thought, you know, this boy may be moving sometime in the future. He may need to know the name of that moving van. So it told me what it was. But anyway, that's, that's the only paranormal or unexplained

• 1:20:18Speaker 07

  experience I've ever had in my life. And it, it has stuck with me all these years. And I just, I don't doubt anything, you know, anything's possible if that happened. So I just believe anything to a certain point, but, uh, you know, I don't know.

• 1:20:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah. I don't know why they sell those Ouija boards like in the game section. I remember seeing it like Toys R Us, which doesn't exist anymore. But my mother had told me this story about, um, my uncle and she was with my grandparents. Well, they came home and I guess he was terrified. And he had told her that the Ouija board had said, I'm going to kill you. And I think it was the same Ouija board that was stuck in the, or was put away in a closet. And it was about 15, 20 years later, his daughter was playing with it, my cousin, and it said the exact same thing. I'm going to kill you. Usually it's horrific stories with those Ouija boards, you know?

• 1:21:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's the only time I ever fooled with one. Although that experience was not horrifying, I, I knew there was more to it than I wanted to, to know. So I, I've never fooled with one anymore.

• 1:21:31Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I would imagine back in the 60s, it was kind of a Ouija board was kind of looked at as just a game. And you can correct me if I'm wrong. But if I'm around a pool and they break out a Ouija board, I'm out of there.

• 1:21:44Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I don't think any of us thought it was anything harmful or evil. It was just a game. I feel that happened. I knew there was more to it than that. But that's my little story. And I've never forgotten it all these years.

• 1:21:59Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I appreciate sharing it, Jack. It's kind of opening, almost like the spirit knew what you were thinking, seeing that global moving truck go by and kind of have that in your head. I know you're a member and I appreciate you kind of supporting what I do. What do you think Sasquatch is, Jack?

• 1:22:18Speaker 07

  Well, I thought you might ask me that all while we were talking about Ouija boards. But, um, you know, like I said, I don't doubt anything since I had the experience. I guess I lean toward Bigfoot being just a natural primate that is extremely smart and elusive enough to remain officially undiscovered. It's a little hard for me to believe that it's connected with all the other phenomena. But I'm amazed that still someone has not pulled up to a local TV station with a deceased one in the back of his truck. You know, it's

• 1:22:57Speaker 07

  amazing we can officially find one, but that's the way it is. But I think it's just a normal, I mean, a natural animal that's just out there. It's very good at being elusive.

• 1:23:11Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's what I would like it to be. I would like it to be a non-human primate we haven't caught up with. And I know it was kind of a brief story, but I appreciate you coming on and sharing it, Jack.

• 1:23:24Speaker 07

  Glad to do it, Wes. I appreciate you allowing me to tell my story.

• 1:23:29Wes Germer?

  Thanks again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. I'm going to close out with one of my favorite stories from episode 677, The Story of Robert. Until next time, everyone.

• 1:23:59Speaker 07

  In 1982, you know, we're in DC. And if you've ever been to Washington, one of the big things is the fireworks display. I mean, it's, it's awesome. You go out on the mall, you sit there and the fireworks just explode over your head. And it poured rain in Washington all day. And it's rare, but it got canceled. Probably the first time it got canceled, I was 10 years old. And we were waiting, hoping, we're gonna wait till like 5:30, 6:30, can we go, Dad? My dad was like, no, it's, it's not, it's gonna be washed out. We're not going. And my brother was pissed. He went up to his room, he slammed his door and, you know, we're not going to see, you know, what, my dad can't control the weather. So I'm in my room and we're, you know, we were expecting to go and I'm in my room. It's

• 1:24:43Speaker 07

  probably 7:30 or 8:00, even later at that time. And my brother's friend, Robert, walked into my room. He, my brother's four years older than me, so he was 14 probably. And Robert walks in, Robert has this jacket, weather, you know, what do you, whatever you call it, slicker, I don't know what word we use, poncho, that's the word. And he's drenched. And he's in my room, he's not saying anything. And I'm like, you want me to go get my brother? He doesn't say anything. He sat down on my bed. And I walked, knocked

• 1:25:22Speaker 07

  on my door and I'm, my brother, oh, I opened the door and I said, to my brother, I said, Robert's here, he's in my bed. And he's not saying anything. It's my bedroom, he's not saying anything. And my brother told me to F off loudly. And I shut the door. I walked back in and I just said, my brother's not coming out. Why don't you go see him or something? I can't remember exactly what I said. And he walked down the steps, Robert walked down the steps. The next morning, my parents, I guess, went to work and we got our, the doorbell rang and it was probably like 9:30 in the morning, earlier, 9 o'clock, I don't

• 1:26:07Speaker 07

  remember. And our neighbor, Jennifer, was crying. And she said, Robert drowned last night. Really sorry, said to my brother, said to me, sorry, he drowned last night and we don't know anything about the funeral, et cetera, et cetera. And I was standing behind my brother and he was just nodding like, uh huh, okay, yep. And shut the door. There's no way that Robert was 20 miles away, playing with friends and he fell in a creek and he drowned. At that same time, that night before, he was in my room. And my brother

• 1:26:50Speaker 07

  and I've talked about it since and he's, my brother has a lot of anger about not just pulling away from the TV. We had gotten a brand new color TV and I put it in my parents' room and they gave us the black and white TV. They said, Mark, that's my brother's name, you can put it in his room. And he just, he was angry. And he's mad that, that we didn't go, you know, 4th of July. And, and in retrospect, he just thinks, why didn't I come out and do that? I talked to him about this and we've just sort of, you know, learning about the experience, trying to make sense of it, trying to make, okay, what is that?

• 1:27:31Speaker 07

  Why, why, why did Robert have to visit? And my brother said that same night, so after he did not come out of the room, so that July 4th, which is the night that Robert drowned, he said he walked out of the house and bare feet, and he just kept walking down the hill. And he walked probably 150 yards from the house. And he said, he looked up at the guy and he said, and it had stopped raining. He said it was muggy, it was humid, still wet out. And he just said, what am I doing? I'm in bare feet. I should go back home. What's

• 1:28:14Speaker 07

  kind of curious about that, we both kind of laughed about was where we grew up, there were a lot of slugs. And you did not go outside in your bare feet because you were going to step on a slug. I mean, there's just not two ways about it. Just disgusting, you don't want to do that. And he said something just had him come out, walk out and look up. My uncle had, you know, if you've seen The Sixth Sense with Bruce Willis, that film, my uncle had that. Growing up in the 30s, Great Depression, this was in Philadelphia and they used to keep, you know, if people would come in, who were traveling from the south and northern,

• 1:28:58Speaker 07

  they'd stay at their house and the people would just, you know, random people, you know, the time, I guess at that time, you know, you would have visitors and you didn't think anything of it. Pre Airbnb, people would just show up and you would have guests at your house. And my uncle would see people who weren't there. And he would ask like, who's that right there? Why is that person walking in the house? And I heard one story that, at that time in the 40s, that you didn't go to funeral homes necessarily, the body would be put in the home. People would come to the home and they would visit and you

• 1:29:38Speaker 07

  would have, I guess, a, the casket would be, and this is a small row house in Philly. I mean, that's where I would play as a kid. And in the living room, there was maybe an uncle or some family member who was having their wake at the house. My uncle was a little kid, maybe eight, seven. And he said to my mom that the person who was in the casket was underneath the table curled up, smiling and telling him, like waving him over. That

• 1:30:19Speaker 07

  story just trips me out. And that, that, those sorts of stories were what my mom, like throughout my uncle's life, he had that sort of, some would say gift, which you, you know, you don't ask why you have this gift, you just, it's a gift, but it, there's a burden to it.