"I Need Help!" Tavarish Breaks Silence on $2M McLaren P1, Financial Crisis, & WhistlinDiesel Arrest

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Graham Stephan?

  Why don't you just finish the P1?

• 0:33Speaker 02

  I'm in way over my head. I always look at cars for what they could be.

• 0:38Speaker 03

  You ever just take your Porsche 918 for a walk?

• 0:41Speaker 02

  What is something that would be the most entertaining, most captivating, most engaging thing I can put out that I could be proud of? This is my 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder, but it had a really, really bad day. I don't have millions and millions of dollars. All I can do is like, what happens in my head? Can I make that into reality? Probably, maybe, who knows? And that's what I put into the cars.

• 1:06Graham Stephan?

  When did it start to go wrong?

• 1:08Speaker 02

  If you're a car guy, coming here, working on these cars, day in and day out, it's really cool in the beginning. After a while, it just becomes normal, but then it becomes a nightmare.

• 1:18Graham Stephan?

  So would you quit the channel?

• 1:27Graham Stephan?

  Freddie, thank you so much for coming on the Iced Coffee Hour.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's nice to be here again. Yeah, we're, we're here at my shop. You guys are, you guys have been awesome. You guys have been awesome throughout this whole, like, last time we did this, it was, it was like a year ago?

• 1:43Graham Stephan?

  A year ago.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Okay, well, I mean, yeah, a lot, a lot has happened in a year, but also like I, I really liked the reception of the last one. Um, also, I don't know what you're gonna ask me this time, so it's.

• 1:55Graham Stephan?

  Oh my gosh, well, you've done quite a bit over the last year. You're the only one touching these hyper cars that no one else will go near. You have the. Porsche 918 that you just bought with the fire damage.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:08Graham Stephan?

  This is like a two and a half million dollar car that you were able to buy for like a hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14Graham Stephan?

  You have that, you have the McLaren P1.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17Graham Stephan?

  That you're still fixing up. Uh, you have the five hundred thousand dollar Aventador.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 2:22Graham Stephan?

  In addition to that, what's the fixed up value of your garage?

• 2:26Speaker 02

  So I think I just put this into a spreadsheet. So like, let's say retail value of everything, even with like the weird title stuff. It's, it's like around between four and six million dollars, but most of that is like the P1 and 918. The 918s, um, like the 918 spiders have sort of run away a little bit. They used to be, uh, between like one and a half to two million dollars. And now they're like a crappy one, not a crappy one, but like one that has some miles, like a driver's car.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Is probably two and a half and a really good one is like three plus. So that is like now this is in a, in a whole, whole new world that I am not like part of at all. So it is, it is pretty crazy. Uh, the same thing with the P1, like before you can buy a P1, like some P1s were under a million dollars. And now they're, they're like, people are asking 2.3, um, which is, which is nuts. So maybe it's just an inflation thing. I don't know. You guys can tell, tell me about that, but, um, I wish I knew more about the hypercar market, but it just seems like it's just going up and up and up.

• 3:35Graham Stephan?

  Do you have any idea why it's that specific car that's gone up so much? Cause I feel like that's outpaced most other hypercars in the market.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  So the, the reason why is because, uh, well, the P1, the 918 spider and the LaFerrari, uh, were the hypercar holy trinity. They were the first hybrid hypercars, uh, made around 2011 to 2013 and, uh, they were in competition with one another. And, um, it was really significant. I think they're, they're probably the last like truly significant supercars, uh, at least like in, in my lifetime. And I think because of that, there's like a, an aura around them. Uh, now it doesn't really make sense from a, like a market cap standpoint, because

• 4:18Speaker 02

  the 918, they made 918 of those cars. The P1 is the rarest with, which, uh, with, uh, 375 and then LaFerrari, they had 500, well, 499 plus one for the Pope. And then they they had some uh some Aperiturs, which is the convertible one. So realistically, you'd think that the P1 would be, you know, the rarest and and most collectible, but it's not. It's actually the cheapest. But it it like all those cars are sort of sort of going up. So hopefully in five, 10 years, maybe there'll be. I I don't know, four, five million dollar cars. Uh, the Ferrari, the LaFerrari is already there. It's already a five million dollar car. The Aperiturs are like seven, which is more money than I think anybody should ever spend on an automobile.

• 5:03Graham Stephan?

  How much did you spend on the 918?

• 5:05Speaker 02

  About a hundred and forty five thousand dollars.

• 5:07Graham Stephan?

  What I thought was hilarious is that you spent a hundred and forty five thousand dollars on that car. But then one singular part that you needed for the car, the most expensive part, how much was that?

• 5:17Speaker 02

  So that was, uh, I I knew the the rear subframe, that's a hundred and fifty grand.

• 5:20Graham Stephan?

  So you spent more on one part for a car than you did on the entire car?

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Yes, uh, I mean, and the reason why is because that car is completely made of carbon fiber. It's like the the the frame, the monocoque chassis, the uh, the bodywork, all of that stuff is carbon fiber. And it's only for that car. So Porsche does this thing where they will use parts from other cars, like the rear wheel steering from that car is actually from a a nine nine one, uh, like Porsche nine eleven. There's a lot of sensors and uh, switches and stuff like that that you can find in other Porsches. And even the key is the exact same key that you get in a Boxer. So they they could save a lot of money uh, like that. But then all the engineering, like the hybrid system and the engine and all that stuff was only specific to that car. So all that stuff, super expensive.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  I mean, we're talking like the, if I needed to get a new engine block, it's two hundred and fifty grand. You know, the transmission, which is like, it's derivative of the regular dual clutch PDK thing that that goes into every uh, other Porsche, but it's not exactly the same. So it's like another a hundred and sixty grand. So if I, you know, if I needed those things, then it would be quite a, like, really, really expensive proposition.

• 6:34Jack Selby?

  Take a guess, how much will you spend on this car to completion?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  I think, so I did a tally on one of my videos. I think it was gonna be like 600 or something like to, to, to the end of it, but I think if I can get things like at a good deal, uh, cause what's, what's funny is like when you make videos like this, people come out of the woodwork and they go, actually I have this part and this part and this part. And the 918 used parts community is, there's not really one, but like if somebody is hoarding parts, they go, oh, well, I can, I can charge whatever I want. But the problem is you're not going to sell it to anybody because the person that buys a 918 Spyder, um, and let's say it needs some work, they're going to Porsche to get it because Porsche still has all the parts available, but they're just expensive.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  But if you buy a $3 million car, why wouldn't you take it to the dealer to, you know, have all the, um, the resale value that you can get?

• 7:28Jack Selby?

  Do they just continually make the parts as they're requested?

• 7:32Speaker 02

  So they are, when I, when I go, uh, to order things from Porsche, um, they have like special order. So it's SO. Uh, so you put it in order and then they go, I don't know, go to Germany and wake up the guy that, that makes the carbon fiber and they go, you have to make one more. So I may, maybe, um, you know, maybe they have a shelf full of 918 parts. I kinda doubt it. Um, but I think a lot of these are just like made to order, but they have the tooling and what's great about Porsche, uh, over like something like McLaren, you know, cause you know, rebuilding the P1 is, is different. Um, Porsche is like, I, I like to, I like to say it like this, uh, Porsche is an actual company and, uh, they have like actual stock and they make parts and

• 8:13Speaker 02

  they, uh, test their parts. Uh, so they don't just like, uh, make a car and then their customers are the beta testers. Porsche, you know, when they put out a car, this thing has been all over the world. It's been, uh, tested in lots of different scenarios. And every single one of these parts has probably had some hundreds of thousands of iterations on, and on their other cars. So they go, oh no, this is like the best thing that we can do. And this is good for this many actuations or, or whatever. So it's, um, and also Porsche's engineering is Is fantastic. So I think with the nine eighteen rebuild, it's it's different, at least for me, because I am also not going to be doing anything crazy with it.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Like with with a P one, we're literally redesigning the entire car. We're making like an entire car from scratch. Engineering, aerodynamics, everything where the Porsche, that's going to be like an OEM rebuild.

• 9:09Graham Stephan?

  Can the average person profit from rebuilding these cars?

• 9:12Speaker 02

  That is a really good question because it all depends on what your, what your attention to detail ultimately is. If you want everything to be one hundred percent and you want everything to be OEM and you're buying parts from the dealer, then probably not. The reason why I do this and, you know, rebuild these cars is because I enjoy the story. I enjoy adding to the car story. I like seeing that the cars are in bad shape. And then this presents unique, like unique problems for me to solve. That's the only reason why I do it and also because I can put it on my YouTube channel.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  And that allows me to share it with other people and also make money from that. If I didn't have the YouTube channel and it was just me trying to flip cars, this would make no sense. And that's how you get a lot of people that are like, almost like the buy here, pay here mentality, where you take these cars, you might get, you know, a copart car. And you go, well, if I put a bumper on that, then it'll hide all the frame damage behind it. And then I'll, I'll kick it off to the next guy. And then, you know, by the fourth or fifth owner, and that they they take the bumper off and they go, oh, my God. Like this is, this is way worse than I thought. And that was sort of the deal with my Aventador because it's been through like lots of, lots of people.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  And, you know, when I, when I took it apart, realized that, oh, it had frame damage that somebody had like fixed and they just, they just botched it. So I can't let things like that go. And it's to the point where you can't just fix it, you have to replace it. So, um, yeah, like most people, I think. Would have a hard time doing rebuilds, uh, doing rebuilds and then profiting off of it. And I think a lot of, there have been a lot of videos on YouTube talking about like, oh, here's the reality of doing one of these and you know, the like me and like Matt Armstrong or Rich Rebuilds or whoever's doing, uh, these, these rebuilds. They, uh, they are painting like an unrealistic picture. But I, I think I'm doing it just because I, I love learning about the cars.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I love learning about the platform and then solving interesting problems.

• 11:25Graham Stephan?

  How do you make sure you don't lose a ton of money on this though?

• 11:28Speaker 00

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• 11:58Speaker 02

  Oh, I, I always lose a ton of money. Well, I mean, losing a ton of money, it, it all depends. It all, it all depends because what do you, cause my idea of losing a ton of money is different from your idea of losing a ton of money. Like what would you, like, let's, let's define terms here.

• 12:12Graham Stephan?

  Because here's the thing, I mean, you could get money back on the YouTube channel.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 12:17Graham Stephan?

  And your brand. How do you make sure you don't buy a car that needs a million dollars worth of repairs? And you're never going to make that from your channel on the videos.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Well, the idea is, um, so I take, I take into account the growth of the channel. I take into account because like, if you're, if you're growing a business, that comes with a cost, right? So if I buy a car and it's, it's a, it's a crazy amount of money, or I take out a loan on it or something like that. That is the cost of doing business. That is the cost of growth. That is the cost of, you know, me trying to expand into other avenues or other horizons. And then, um, then that forces me to monetize in different ways. So whether it's like taking the same content and putting out different platforms, uh, or like merch, or, you know, working with other people or getting different sponsors, like that forces me to do those things. And that helps the business, you know, just down the line anyway.

• 13:10Graham Stephan?

  He's a possibility based person.

• 13:12Jack Selby?

  Exactly.

• 13:13Graham Stephan?

  Right? So, so we were talking to Tony Robbins and he had explained two different types of people. The necessity based and what was it? The positive.

• 13:19Jack Selby?

  Possibility.

• 13:20Graham Stephan?

  Possibility based. The necessity based, Graham, explain.

• 13:23Jack Selby?

  Yeah, this is new for me. So the necessity based, you do something because you have to do it.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:29Jack Selby?

  The possibility based, you do it because of the possibility of what could happen.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:34Jack Selby?

  For me,

• 13:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:35Jack Selby?

  I like to do the necessity based. What, what needs to get done right now to get to the next step? Jack is like, what can we do right now for the possibility of something new?

• 13:44Speaker 02

  I think I've always been that possibility. I mean, it's, I don't think it's a, it's a dichotomy, right? There has to be a, a percentage of one or the other because you have to do things because you like, there's certain amount of things you have to do because you just have to. You have necessities, everybody does. But for me, I always look at cars for what they could be, what, what the best possible storyline I could make with this car. And every time I make a video, I go, okay, what do I have in front of me? And what is something that would be the most entertaining, most captivating, most engaging thing I can put out? Uh, that I could be proud of.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  So a lot of people also, you know, my, my, uh, commenters and viewers, you know, I am, uh, not the, the most, consistent in terms of like upload and, and stuff like that, but I think because of that, I have to do something where if I, when I do put out a video, it has to be good. It has to feel like an event. It's like, oh, this guy dropped a video. It's a two hour long video about, you know, X, Y, and Z. I'm going to watch it and it's going to take you on a journey, you know, like, and, and hopefully that's the, that's, that's the draw.

• 14:54Jack Selby?

  From a business perspective though, wouldn't it make more sense to hire one extra person? Pay them a hundred thousand dollars a year and then their sole job is to make one extra video. Let's say every two or three months. That, and that'll easily pay for them. It will grow the channel. You'll get more subscribers, more views, you'll make more money. And it's, that seems like very scalable in that regard.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  It, it does. So I've done that. Um, and I've done that before. The issue is YouTube is a thing where ebbs and flows. And sometimes, and like when you're dealing with people, I wish it could be like, all right, I'm giving you a task. And then you have to like complete this task, whether it's shooting or editing or, or, you know, working in the shop or, or whatever. In this field specifically, you know, like I have ADHD, obviously, because you know, you see all the, all the cars, you know, the kind of eclectic collection and the, the million unfinished projects that, that I have, they're, they're just all impending states that, that need something. Um, I tend to attract that sort of person. Um, and it's very hard for

• 16:01Speaker 02

  me to, uh, get a person that doesn't have those qualities because otherwise they wouldn't be attracted to this kind of job.

• 16:08Jack Selby?

  Would you rather quit YouTube forever or never own a supercar or hypercar ever again?

• 16:14Speaker 02

  So I would still do YouTube or I would?

• 16:16Jack Selby?

  You would still do YouTube, but you could never own a, a hypercar or a supercar ever again, or stop doing YouTube and you could own supercars and hypercars.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  So I, I will ask a qualifier. I know, I know that this is like the hypothetical is, you don't want to.

• 16:28Jack Selby?

  Like a sports car or what's your question?

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Uh, well, well, um, will people know that I did these kinds of cars before? If, if, if everyone's memory was erased and I can do a clean, clean slate, but I could never touch one of these cars?

• 16:39Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  I would probably do that. Um, because.

• 16:42Jack Selby?

  You would continue doing YouTube.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  Correct. Because I could still make stories. Cause the, what I've learned is it doesn't matter what the cost of the car is. You could make, uh, a really good living. You can make a really good story out of cars or experiences or, or something that people can resonate with. So, you know, I did a, a video on a thousand dollar Nissan Maxima, which is like a spitting image of my first car. And that ended up getting two million views, you know, but it took me three months to do. Uh, and I tried to, you know, make the most engaging story out of it, but it didn't cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars to do. You know, it was, it was still like, I was out thirty five hundred bucks on the whole project. It was a lot of time and it was, it was interesting because I, uh, you know, two months into it, I'm in the shop at like three in the morning, working on this Maxima that I bought for next

• 17:28Speaker 02

  to nothing. And I'm looking over and I see like the P1 taken apart. I see an Aventador taken apart. And I say, at the end of those projects, like I have a P1 and I have an Aventador, really cool cars. At the end of this, I have a car that's worth twenty five hundred dollars. So like what, why, why am I, what am I doing? Um, but it's the sentiment, sentimental value. And I think that translates, um, just as much as these do, but you have to spend time on, uh, educating the viewer as to why it's cool. Um, like I might have to tell people why the 1998 Nissan Maxima was a big deal for me when I was 18. I don't have to tell people why a Ferrari or a Lamborghini is a big deal. They already know.

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• 19:25Graham Stephan?

  What's in your current collection right now?

• 19:27Speaker 02

  How much time you got? Uh, so we have, you know, we have, we have all of these. Some of these are not my cars. Um, you know, they're just, uh, they're just here as, as decoration. But, you know, we have the 675 LT, the Ferrari 430 Scuderia. The, the ones that I'm working on right now, um, I'm really excited about my 2008 Lamborghini Gallardo. Like I just got that off the lift and I haven't worked on that for like four years. And that was the first car that kind of blew up my channel. So I think with that, I want to redo everything to like the standards of today. Because standards of 2017 Freddie, when, you know, I was working in my two car garage and, and really didn't have any sort of resources to put into any of this stuff. And I've never worked on any supercars or hypercars or exotic cars.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  That was, you know, that was a shoestring budget. So I think now with some more connections and some better parts, I think I Can really, really make that project shine. But yeah, I have the Aston Martins, V8 Vantage, DBS. I have GT3. I just got another Porsche. I, we just got an M6. It's a, it's a convertible V10 manual. So it's a factory manual. They only made 300 something and they only made them in the States. So in Europe, they didn't have manuals, apparently like nobody wanted manuals. So it was only for like the North American market and that car is super, super cool. And we did modifications to it.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  And you know, some other stuff, uh, got Focus RS and then the Audi RS E-tron GT. That's like a daily driver for my girlfriend and you know, it's a, it's been like, I, I like to have a, a collection that's not necessarily eclectic, but it's just the stuff that I find interesting. And the automotive experiences that I can't get anywhere else.

• 21:14Jack Selby?

  How many cars do you have?

• 21:16Speaker 02

  30.

• 21:17Jack Selby?

  30 flat?

• 21:18Speaker 02

  30 flat. Yeah. I, I know this because I just did a Google Doc. And I have 29 here and then one in UK, uh, which is like a, a London cab. So, um, I bought this London, you know, like those little, you know, you go to London and you have this tiny little, yeah, I think it's like a 97, probably has 10 billion miles on it. But I ended up getting it from a friend for like two grand and I've never seen it. It's just sitting in some person's storage locker or farm or something. So at some point I'll bring it over here and then we'll just drive a London cab around Florida and see how that works.

• 21:52Jack Selby?

  And how many of these 30 cars that you own, are you actually making content around? Or is it mostly just out of passion?

• 21:58Speaker 02

  So it's out of passion. When, when I buy a car, it's, if it's not a car that I feel really strongly about, then I will like trade it or I, like I may sell it. I don't, I'm really, really bad at selling cars. I'm, I'm terrible at that. So, uh, when I see a car that I feel attracted to, like this is an automotive experience I didn't have, then it's, um, it's something that like I could just add to the collection. I can, you know, just keep forever, like the P1 and 918, I'm gonna keep forever.

• 22:33Jack Selby?

  Keeping it forever also adds monthly costs to your bill. Like I imagine you still have to like, register it, you still have to insure it, you still have to do all of these things. What's the month to month cost of your collection?

• 22:44Speaker 02

  The collection itself isn't that expensive. Um, so the insurance cost on everything, I think I'm paying something like 15, 16 grand a year for everything. So.

• 22:56Jack Selby?

  That's just not bad at all.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  That's not bad at all. Yeah, yeah.

• 22:59Jack Selby?

  Are you like max, maxed out policy on everything?

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, uh, it's, it's also all the cars are like, it's not like they get driven every day.

• 23:07Jack Selby?

  Right.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  They're in a air conditioned security, you know, uh, like garage. Um, and it, it's, it's not really like, I have a fleet insurance policy, which is, which is fantastic because like, if I would have gone to like GEICO or Allstate or something, it would have been a hundred thousand dollars, uh, especially on some of these cars where they're like, oh, we need to get special, special underwriter approval or something. But, uh, the, the maintenance on a lot of these cars is also not terrible. Um, the thing that I'm running into most is that since the cars don't get driven a lot, uh, there's a lot of cars that like the, the tires that I, that I've, uh, put on them like years ago,

• 23:48Speaker 02

  the tread is fine, but they're just aging out. So I have, you know, my, my Lamborghini Gallardo, brand new Michelin PS4S tires, like there were $2,000 back in the day, but I put them on in 2017. So they're aged out. You don't want to, you don't want tires more than five years old, uh, because the compound, you know, changes and it, it gets, uh, less consistent, that sort of thing. So the car, I probably put 30 miles on the car, you know, since I, since I finished it, you know, finished it on YouTube. Now I have to change the tires, which to anybody else would have been, you know, a brand new tires. And the same thing goes for like a few other cars here. Um, so, you know, stuff like that, it does seem a little bit wasteful,

• 24:27Speaker 02

  but also like, I'm not going to have a car that's just sitting with, you know, whatever tires that came off the, the showroom floor with.

• 24:34Jack Selby?

  And then, yeah, what would the final sum number be?

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think. I would spend probably like less than five grand a month um on on everything like that, you know, with because we're talking about like oil changes. We're talking about like whatever parts things need and then and then the insurance costs. It's not that it's not that bad, but but this is just just on the car collection. I'm not talking about the storage or like the shops or anything. Or notes either. No, no. Any loans? Oh, OK, OK. Well, so. Ah, there we go.

• 25:04Jack Selby?

  That you know, the loans do cost money at the end of the month.

• 25:07Graham Stephan?

  You forgot that very conveniently. What's the loan?

• 25:10Speaker 02

  I forgot the loan. I'm sorry. So I forgot you're a finance guy.

• 25:14Graham Stephan?

  Is that a rounding error or what?

• 25:15Speaker 02

  It is a rounding error. That's that's yeah, that's how much money we're making here. No, it's not. Um, I so, yeah, the loan actually, uh, if we add the loan to it, it's probably something like twenty twenty two grand.

• 25:28Jack Selby?

  That's not that bad.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's not that's not that bad. For thirty cars. Yeah, but I mean, realistically, the only loan I have is for the for that P one and I'm just right now. I'm just paying it off. I'm actually trying to get a loan now to finish all of the big, you know, the big car builds rather than kind of doing a piecemeal. Uh, so if I have a lump sum, I can just be like, all right, I'm ordering all these parts. I'll make all this content and then boom, boom, boom, and then just pay off the loan. So, um.

• 25:56Graham Stephan?

  How big of a loan do you need?

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Half a mil, something like that.

• 25:59Graham Stephan?

  And what's the interest rate you're getting on that?

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 26:02Graham Stephan?

  If you were to get a loan.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  I think it's it would be less than ten. It'd be less than ten percent.

• 26:07Jack Selby?

  See, Graham is considering whether or not he should lend you money. That's literally, I know. I know how his brain works. He's literally like, OK, well, like I'm getting this in treasuries. If this is my money market fund, could I get an extra two percent if I lend it to Freddie?

• 26:18Speaker 02

  You I mean, you you could, but, uh, listen, I have. It's not like I don't have things as collateral.

• 26:24Graham Stephan?

  Right.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  So that's that's that's what I that's what I do. Um, I go, well, I have all these cars and here's the here. Here's the uh, market value of each of these cars and they have comps and bring a trailer and and whatever. Like this is what they're selling for in the last, you know, six months. Uh, so we take a valuation based on that and then just add those up and then what you know, what can? What can we then loan out based on those numbers?

• 26:51Graham Stephan?

  The wheels are turning. This would make a good YouTube video, too.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I'm sponsoring Tavor's channel.

• 26:56Jack Selby?

  It could be part of your diversified portfolio.

• 26:59Graham Stephan?

  Loans?

• 27:00Jack Selby?

  Yeah, you could give out loans. The only thing is, I would be hesitant to be in debt to this guy.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:05Jack Selby?

  You're gonna be one minute late on your payment. He's gonna show up at your front door.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 27:10Jack Selby?

  Bleep that.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, just a giant sledgehammer.

• 27:13Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Well, which one left or right?

• 27:15Jack Selby?

  I hope you enjoyed having knees, Freddie.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 27:18Jack Selby?

  Do you want your pinky or your thumb?

• 27:20Speaker 02

  You're gonna be working on these cars in a wheelchair.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  No, but it's, it's not only just finishing cars. It's also launching stuff like this, the merch brand that I'm gonna launch. And I want to get myself out there a lot more in 2026. 2025 was, you know, I did a lot, but I think when people look at the body of my work, and especially on my YouTube channel, it's like, well, you haven't uploaded this. You haven't uploaded this. But like, the reality is that all these things, especially the hypercar builds, and the P1 especially, is so incredibly labor and time intensive. Like, just to give you guys an example, the P1, we are redesigning everything.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  And when I mean everything, I'm like, the engine, we rebuilt to twice as much power. We had the turbos designed by the original manufacturers of the turbos. So they did like computer simulations, and then they sent it to Mitsubishi Japan, who then sent me a set of turbos, like prototype turbos for my car, that make twice the power, but they look the same of the ones on the P1 originally. Then we have like, I'm re-engineering the entire cooling system in that car. So instead of having like the radiators in the front, we're deleting all those for weight savings. And then I'm using like an air conditioning system to cool fluid. So I don't have to worry about it being hot and humid outside.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Then we're deleting the hybrid system. But then we're also, you know, adding in a a wiring harness that's now modular. And then we're doing like a body that has to be CFD computational fluid dynamics, like aerodynamics tested. Because I want to go 250, 60, 70 miles an hour. And no McLaren, especially no McLaren P1 has ever done that. So. And then on top of that, you have to actually make the stuff. You have to make the parts. You have to make the the carbon fiber body. And in order to do that right, you're not just slapping it together. You're not just like putting a body kit on a Civic. Like this has to be, everything has to be tested. Everything has to be OEM plus because if you're going 250 miles an hour, that thing might, that thing might explode, you know?

• 29:38Jack Selby?

  But I just, when, when you say you need to borrow $500,000, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be honest, that's very surprising to me because I see the amount of views that you have. I I can kind of do some back of the napkin math and he should be making this amount.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:50Jack Selby?

  And he could very easily just post one extra video and it could pay, you know, a researcher's salary.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:57Jack Selby?

  And if you have a researcher, you won't need to spend those late night hours on the computer trying to find a part for a cheap price. You'd have someone else do it. You could move on to the next project, you'd post more.

• 30:07Graham Stephan?

  Or just even sell off a few cars.

• 30:09Jack Selby?

  Or sell off a few cars. What do you think about that logic? Or what's the?

• 30:13Speaker 02

  So, so yeah, so I I think that that totally works. And it's, it's not like, yeah, it sounds good, doesn't work. The issue that I run into with that is that I am so far into these projects. And there are things that I know that in order for, for me to bring people up to speed on them, it would take me way more time than it would be to just do it myself. And then the ROI starts not making any sense. When I have somebody do something, if I pay them to do, do a job, I want to be able to rely on them and then say like, hey, this is, this is what I need from you. And what happens when, you know, in the event that it doesn't hap, it doesn't happen or it doesn't happen on time or, or some

• 31:00Speaker 02

  some expectation isn't met. I have this weird thing where I don't want to feel like I'm.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Not pissed off, but like I don't want to feel like.

• 31:12Jack Selby?

  You don't want to express discontent with someone?

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Correct. And then like I don't want to feel like they're letting me down or something like that. And then I'm like, I'll just internalize this. And that's like, it's not a good business practice for sure. But I've had that happen where, you know, I've had people work here and, you know, they've, they've been really, really good. And then like later on, it just gets to a point where it might, they might be, you know, like might get a little slower or something like that. Like slower at producing their results. And I've noticed this and it does have an effect on the bottom line, but then I still have to pay them.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  And if I bring this up, there's like, now you have to bridge that gap of like their ego or, you know, my own ego. And, uh, you know, communicating like what you think is clearly, but it's not clearly for them. So they, they start doing something and then you're like, well, I'm still not happy with this. And by the time, you know, this all like you actually get a product and you're like, I guess I'm okay with that. You could have done this yourself, you know, 10 times over.

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• 32:49Speaker 02

  So that's one thing that I, I struggle with quite a bit. Because it's, it's sort of like the micromanagement, but it's on the problem solving side of things. I wouldn't want to offload that. It's almost like, uh, you know, the advent of AI. AI is really good when it's, when it, when you know what the answer should be. AI is not good when it's like, all right, create something that's never been created before.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  When it's like, all right, solve this problem that no one else has in the. World or like like find me a part that no one else is looking for. That's going to be really hard for somebody to do. And I feel like they're still expending time and energy on this problem. I still have to pay them. And then the result is going to be realistically, probably not what I what I want.

• 33:37Jack Selby?

  Would you be open to looking at talent? Like if someone, okay, so do you have an email? Create an email.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:43Jack Selby?

  So what's what's the name of the email going to be?

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Tavarish needs help.

• 33:47Jack Selby?

  Tavarish needs help.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  At gmail.

• 33:48Jack Selby?

  Twelve at gmail dot com. Tavarish needs help twelve at gmail dot com. If you guys feel like you could be a good fit. Send over the best possible application, the best possible resume you could come up with. Make it a video, make it creative, make it easy to digest because I'm sure he'll get plenty of these. Show him your skills in video editing, show him your knowledge on cars, show him everything and exactly why you'd be good for the position.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:11Jack Selby?

  I know that there there'll be plenty of people.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 34:13Jack Selby?

  Kill for this. So.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:14Jack Selby?

  If you want to create the email, maybe he creates it, maybe he does it, we'll put down in the description if he does, but.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  I'll I'll create it just because just because you, you know.

• 34:21Jack Selby?

  He'll create the email. Okay.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 34:24Jack Selby?

  I I do think that just like logically speaking, yes, the emotions can sometimes get in the way of logic, which sounds like you've had some past experience where that did happen.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 34:31Jack Selby?

  But I do think it could help you a lot to have a little bit of help, like a main, you know, person at your side for the business. I know at least for Graham's business, it helped a lot to finally bring someone else on to the team. And then everything explodes. And I know if you increased upload frequency, you had a fail safe, someone you could count on, that would be that would, these people want to see from you more.

• 34:50Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, I want to see you once a month. I didn't like that. The last video is two and a half months ago.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Yeah, so my my goal, at least for twenty twenty six, is to have two videos out on the main channel and four to six on the on the second channel. So what I've learned is that it's, I'm always putting more on myself than than realistically I can handle or like. Anybody can handle, but I I I start thinking to myself like I started getting really optimistic like, oh, yeah, I can do this in this amount of time. I could do this in this amount of time. And it's not realistic because I I could if I didn't sleep for the next four days.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  Sometimes that does have to happen. It does suck when you have to, you know, perform and then like, let's say, you know, for me, a crappy video on my main channel, like a, like a 10 out of 10 is a million and a half views. Which, you know, my, my floor has never been higher on the channel. So if I get a, a video that has 500,000 views, that's like, that's a really bad day. You know, that's like, maybe I should stop doing this, which is crazy because 500,000 views is a lot of people. It's a lot of people and it's, you still generate money and all that.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  So I have to, I, there, there has to be a way where, you know, I'm still in the growth phase and, you know, I'm still finding audience and then, you know, doing interesting things. But for sure, I, I agree with you that there is, there's a, a way for somebody else to, you know, help me out with something. And then we, we all grow together. The, the issue that I've come up against is that, you know, the people that I've used in the past, and then they're still around. I mean, I still talk to everybody that I've worked with. They're really nice people and they, they do, they do good work.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  But I think when the, the job starts, they see the kind of lifestyle, they see, they see the cars, they see like, you know, if you're a car guy, coming here, working on these cars and seeing all this stuff. Day in and day out, it's really cool in the beginning. After a while, it just becomes normal. And then after a while, just like any other job, people can become complacent. And even if you're paying them very, very well, they start to lose sight of the fact that like, in this industry, nobody else is doing this.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  You know, if I'm paying somebody 10 grand a month, or 12 grand a month, or 15 grand a month, or whatever, it's really, really hard to, to then convince those people, you know, years down the line that like, hey, so, uh, this is like, still a really good, like, you haven't been in the job market. You don't know that this is like, actually not.

• 37:29Jack Selby?

  Yeah, to retain them.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:31Jack Selby?

  That's why for us, what's always worked is incentive pay. So like, you know, the more money you can generate the business, the more money will pay you. And it's just like, only ever. We're gonna pull them into needing to be a higher performer.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 37:42Jack Selby?

  So that's worked out really well for us, but that's also like that we're getting a little bit

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, we are.

• 37:46Jack Selby?

  Outside of the weeds.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  No, no, but it's a good conversation to have for sure because I think right now, especially in this this time of time of year, I have, I'm also sitting on like three really big videos. So it's not like I've just been, you know, kicking back and it's sort of like, you know, the actor that you haven't seen act for a while. And they're like, oh, what is he doing? Like, oh, he hasn't done anything. Meanwhile, he's been, you know, working day in and day out on some project that, you know, nobody knows about. But it's, um, it is, it is a good, it is a good conversation to have just because the last time you were here, you know, I said it costs something like $80,000 or, or, you know, between 80 and $90,000 to, to, to keep this place and everything, everything going. And that's, that's still mostly the case.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  You know, I have lowered costs of, you know, a bit just because of like so personnel and like there's stuff like I've had projects that nobody has seen. And like just today, one of my friends came in and I told him, hey, can you sell these cars for me? Cause like I bought these projects and it's just 20 grand just sitting there. And I have so much stuff right now backed up that there's no realistic way I'm ever going to get to this. And I bought this kind of sight unseen, you know, these cars that that are like, oh yeah, I can put this together. And then when they get here, I'm like, ah, this is like a full restoration. I don't even know if that's gonna do well. And then I know I have stuff that I do know it will do well. Why don't I just focus on that, you know?

• 39:11Graham Stephan?

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• 39:23Jack Selby?

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• 40:44Speaker 02

  The P1, for sure. The McLaren P1, because again, it's not necessarily a rebuild. If it were a 100% OEM rebuild, like I was just getting every factory part and all that, it definitely would have been done by now. And it wouldn't have been, I'm not gonna say it wouldn't have been difficult, it would have been expensive, but it would have been, you know, possible. The thing that happened to me is that I saw an opportunity, and it's like that opportunity mindset, you know, like what could be? Instead of having a P1 that, you know, was in a really bad flood and then I rebuilt it to, you know, whatever standard that is, like what if I got together, you know, the best team I could,

• 41:27Speaker 02

  and I used every single one of my resources and every single one of my network contacts to make the most iconic, like the most insane car I could, because I'm never gonna get this opportunity again. So that's what got me into like, well, now we're gonna rebuild the engine to way more power and then now we're gonna, you know, do this and that and then work with the original designer, Frank Stephenson, to, you know, design an actual, like a new version of this car specifically for my needs, which is...

• 42:00Speaker 02

  Something I never thought I would ever do, you know, this, this prolific, prolific designer. I have, you know, a bunch of his cars, a 430 and a 675 like that. Like I'm a big fan of his design work. And then, you know, I, I emailed him and he said, um, you know, I, why don't I just design you a car? Which is, which is nuts. So now not only am I, you know, beholden to myself and my viewers, but now like this, this guy who is like my automotive idol is working with me. And now I ha- I have to perform for, for him because I can't, I can't make him look bad. So, uh, it, it is a lot of pressure and I think that is why, and it's also a lot of money and a lot of time.

• 42:39Jack Selby?

  So I'm just going to ask you a question and I want the first gut response that you have to the question. Okay. So no, no thinking. Why don't you just finish the P1?

• 42:49Speaker 02

  I haven't thought of that. I've never thought of that yet. You know, like that, thanks for, thanks for. It's.

• 42:55Jack Selby?

  What's the gut? What's the gut saying?

• 42:56Speaker 02

  The, the gut, gut feeling is, oh yeah, thanks. Yeah, thanks. Um, so why haven't I finished the P1?

• 43:02Jack Selby?

  Yes.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Um, because it's hard. Um, because, uh, well, the, the gut, gut response is what color is your Bugatti?

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Um, realistically it's, it's, it's because, let's say, uh, for a company like McLaren, like an actual car company that makes cars in a production line. They have to take years, years and years with hundreds of people and engineers and everything to make one of these cars to design it. I'm one guy, I'm a YouTuber. Uh, I make videos online for a living and I don't have millions and millions of dollars. Uh, all I, all I can do is like, what happens in my head? Can I make that into reality? Probably, maybe, who knows? And that's what I put on, into, into the car. So I'm not trying to hodgepodge anything together. I'm trying to do everything, you know?

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Correctly, and I'm also trying to fix some of the issues that the car had in the first place. So that's why the P1 hasn't been like finished because getting to that point is like the the hardest thing ever, like solving all those problems takes time, like just to get a body on this car. Like to make, to construct and design and test a body usually takes two to three years. Like that's just on like the companies that I've talked to. They say like to make a prototype body in carbon fiber, the way you want it, it would take two to three years and a few million bucks. I don't have either of those. I have to make YouTube videos.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  So when that happens, then I'm like, what can I do to expedite this process? What can I learn? Can I, can I learn, you know, how to 3D scan? Is there, are there people that can expedite this process with like their own CAD models? And they can, can they put that in and then, you know, how to, how does, uh, how can I think outside the box and, and, and be on the cutting edge of this stuff so I can get the, the result I want without having to pay, you know, necessarily millions of dollars?

• 45:00Jack Selby?

  So are you waiting on other experts to be able to come up with CAD files, come up with solutions for the car? And that's why you're working on other projects at the same time as working on the P1?

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 45:09Jack Selby?

  It's not like if you solely worked on the P1, you'd be able to complete it much quicker.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, it's, it's, uh, so right now it's, um, what, what I hate is it's like if you get to a, um, like a movie set or, or some, some commercial, you know, shoot and, uh, the, the term is hurry up and wait. So you have to get there, you know, and then you're like, all right, call time is eight o'clock. And it's 11 o'clock and you're like, I haven't done anything. I've just sat in, in a chair for three hours. So it's, it's sort of like that. Um, it, right now it's in limbo because, um, and I'm not, I'm absolutely not blaming anybody. This is how long the process takes and the people that I've, that I've, uh, worked with and I'm working, I am working with. They are also very quick for their industries and they know everything about what they're, what they're doing.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  So I have, I have the utmost respect and, and trust in what they're doing. So, um, but when the process goes away. Away from what I can do like I can't make carbon fiber panels. I can't like, you know, 3D scan and 3D print like I'd like to learn how to do all that. But realistically, for me to get to the level that they're at, it would take me another, you know, 10, 20 years. So I think I have to defer to those experts. And those people are, you know, they're testing this, uh, this, this new body. And then that like whenever we have to make changes, that has to go back to, uh, the designer. And then they have to design it in a way that still is true to their design. But also incorporates like things like, um, you know, you don't want the car to have lift at 250 miles an hour.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  You don't want to, you know, to

• 46:40Graham Stephan?

  You're basically redesigning a car.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  You're, I'm redesigning every, every aspect.

• 46:43Graham Stephan?

  So what do you think is the current timeline to finish?

• 46:46Speaker 02

  It is really interesting because, um, current timeline to finish, I'd like to have the, the car done by SEMA of 2026. Um, but I'm going to do it in phases. So I think, uh, you know, finished is a, is a very, um, it, it's hard to put a, a stamp on like, okay, it's done. Because you can always modify things. You can always push the envelope, you know? Let's say, you know, I get the body and the engine and everything done. Is the car finished? Well, like, well, it hasn't done the speedrun yet. So what happens then? You know, what, what if it doesn't, what if it doesn't do it? Then I have to go kind of back to the drawing board.

• 47:19Graham Stephan?

  Do you need to do the speedrun? Cause I see some of these videos of cars like in Thailand or the Philippines where they just make a Bugatti. And it looks 70% of the car. But I'm just saying that what they're able to do in their garage. What they're able to do, like, do you need to drive the car 250 miles an hour? Can you just make it look good to drive on the freeway at a hundred miles an hour?

• 47:42Speaker 02

  I could just put body panels on this car and then just make it run with whatever drivetrain. And it'll make noise and it'll, it'll perform well. And that shouldn't, that wouldn't be long at all. The issue is because I want this car to be everything that, you know, my, my, my childhood brain, um, dreamed of.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  I, I am holding myself to that, um, you know, to, to those, uh, standards and goals. And I think if I, like, if some YouTuber, uh, made this car, like me as just some, some dude.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Um, and it not only became the fastest McLaren on the planet, but like it was redesigned by the original designer. And then like, uh, you know, everybody saw from when it, you know, got to the shop it with, you know, twigs in the, in the, in the vents and, you know, 300 pounds of sand in it to this gleaming show car that now is, you know, a world beater. I think that that's like a really big lofty goal that that's like, okay, well now, now I, you know, I, I did that. That is my mark on, uh, car culture. And then, uh, what it's funny because I'm not going to say I'm, you know, walking in these circles or anything like that. But, uh, the fact that people like, you know,

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Mate Rimmats, who's, uh, the CEO of, um, uh, Bugatti Rimax, Rim, it's not Rimac, it's Rimats. He, you know, I, I, I met up with him and he's, he's a really cool guy. And the fact that like, I can text him, you know, and, and talk to him about this stuff. And, you know, like Christian Von Koenigsegg knows who I am. Like that, that, that is something that like Jay Leno, Jay Leno knows what, like, that is insane to me. That, that should not ever happen. Um, so I want to make sure that like those people I do right by. Like I'm not just some guy with dreams and then like, oh yeah, I put an LS with a five speed and, uh, now it's like, here, here you go. It's YouTube done, you know?

• 49:43Jack Selby?

  I think it's long-term oriented is what you're doing. It's like you could do the short approach, take shortcuts and pump the videos out. Yeah. But then again, that wouldn't like build as much of a legacy maybe as being the guy that fully made it's like,

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, I think it's, it's, um, uh, yeah, not only that, but, um, the, the long-term approach is, you know, I, I always think of things in terms of, um, Like, I think the timelines are gonna be shorter than they actually are. And realistically, I didn't think that I'd be on year three of this. But with the scope creep and all that stuff with these projects, that's sort of where these things go. I don't know what people expect from like a hypercar rebuild, how long they think it should take. But I know that based on what other YouTubers are doing, they're like, oh, it should have been done by now. Realistically, that's like, so nobody's ever done this before.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  So there's no litmus test of like, how long is too long? So I'm just going as fast as, you know, as fast as I can, but I'm also trying to make the best decisions for this build and the, you know, the channel and the car.

• 50:56Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. One of the things I'm really surprised about is when you're taking these cars apart. With the 918, you said they reuse a lot of the parts.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:04Graham Stephan?

  And even though it seems like, oh, wow, this Porsche 918 part, it's like from a Porsche Boxer.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:09Graham Stephan?

  You could buy them on eBay. What's the cheapest part that you've seen in a car?

• 51:13Speaker 02

  So, I mean, a Lamborghini Murcielago has like side marker lights from like a Ford Focus. There's, you know, the Lamborghini Diablo has headlights from a 300ZX Nissan. And the way you, way you know is on the Lamborghini, like at the top, I think I mentioned this to you, you know, before, but like, there's a little carbon fiber strip that they put there specifically because it covers up the Nissan logo. But stuff like, like on the 918, you can get the window switch for 20 bucks on eBay. And, you know, there's, there's a company in China that just makes, you know, makes these switches.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  So things like that, you can, you can have like lots of different, you know, switch gear or like the key fob or, you know, the rear wheel steering assembly, you can get that for a few hundred bucks on eBay. Lots of stuff that is like available and readily available everywhere. I do love that though.

• 52:13Graham Stephan?

  How is Lamborghini allowed to take a part off of a Nissan and slap it on their car?

• 52:18Speaker 02

  So it is the way that they do it as far as I know is you just have suppliers. So you have suppliers and contracts. So let's say Lamborghini says to Nissan, hey, we'd really like to use your your headlights for for this. And I assume this is how it worked in the 90s. So Nissan goes, OK, well, how many units do you need? And here's, you know, we'll have a contract with you. So if somebody comes into Lamborghini and says, you know, I need a headlight for this car, you know, you guys will supply it and then we'll have a markup or, you know, blah, blah, blah. That's the way it is on like McLarens. Like what's funny is McLaren, up until recently, McLaren really didn't make anything, like literally nothing.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  Everything was a, you know, a part supplier thing. So the hydraulic lines and the coolant lines are made by a company called Burger Flex. The the the P1 body is made by Prodrive. The the transmission is Graziano and then the engine is Ricardo. Like all these companies, they're just under contract to provide parts for McLaren. And then McLaren just bringing all the parts, put it together and then they go, haha, it's a McLaren. It's totally bespoke like, but other than the fact that it's not like the the body control module is a Pektan control module that you would see in a Tesla. You know, stuff like that, all the computers are Bosch. So the Bosch computers that you see in Ferraris and Volkswagens and like all that.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  So they they use, there's a lot of different suppliers that do have the, you know, hundreds of thousands of iterations of whatever this part is in other cars. So they go, actually, we we know how this part's going to perform. What the issue would be, and one reason why there's a difference between something like, you know, McLaren or and Porsche, between that and like a Koenigsegg. Is that Koenigsegg for the most, like the vast majority of their parts, they make, they actually make in-house. And the reason why I think Koenigsegg lately has been getting some flack in social media is because they cannot possibly have the man-hours to test

• 54:29Speaker 02

  everything, like especially test everything long-term. So what they do is as far as I, as far as I've heard and I've seen, is when they make a car, they do it to the best of their ability. And, you know, they, they are really, you know, pioneering a lot of, a lot of cool engineering feats. They will sell you a car. And then if the car has problems, they go, okay, well, now we know that this car has a problem. We're gonna go make an update to it, or we'll fix it, or whatever. But then that's like a little knowledge hub for them. Yeah. So, so essentially, a customer is a beta tester, which, for better or worse, that's like, I, I, I wouldn't want that. But that's sort of the reality of owning one of these $2 million cars.

• 55:10Graham Stephan?

  Is there any car out there, or a situation where the car is just unfixable?

• 55:14Speaker 02

  No, depending on how expensive the car is. Now, if a McLaren F1, which is $22 million, if that got in a fire, and it was literally just ash, then obviously, there's no car left. You know, it's the, the car has turned into, you know, whatever chemicals that, that burned off. But if, you know, if a car like a McLaren F1, or let's say, a Ferrari 250 GTO, it's like $50 million. If that car got into a trash compactor, and then just, just turned into a cube, you could still rebuild that. You know, like, because you, you would get a new chassis, and new, like, it becomes a ship of Theseus

• 55:53Speaker 02

  at that point. But it's, you know, the, the value becomes so high, that it, that it can't, it's essentially-

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• 57:02Speaker 02

  Unsalvageable. You can, you cannot damage it enough that, uh, that you, it would lose all value. So yeah, other than like the car just not, like if it exploded, you know?

• 57:14Jack Selby?

  What about some randomly outrageously expensive parts? What are some, what are some parts that are just randomly extremely expensive?

• 57:22Speaker 02

  So, um, I'll, yeah, I'll give you an example. Um, with the 918 Spider. The engine is a 4.6 liter naturally aspirated. It's like, it's derived from one of their race cars called the, called the RS Spider. And, um, it is, it is basically a race engine to make 600 horsepower, revs, revs to nine grand. But if you take apart the internals of this, they're all very, very light. And the piston rings, like a set of piston rings for, let's say, an eight cylinder car would be a few hundred bucks. Um, you know, for, for any, any regular car. So the piston rings, basically they, they keep the seal on the, on the cylinder when the piston goes up and down. Um, on a 918 Spider, each piston ring of which there are two on each piston.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  And then there's eight of them. Each one is like $300. So you're like, you're looking at several thousand dollars and like the piston itself is like two grand. Whereas, you know, you can get a good set of pistons, like a good set of pistons that is, um, you know, custom made for two, two grand. So a lot of this stuff is because they're, you know, bespoke to this car. They only made it for this engine. It's a economy of scale thing. And then they're, they're, uh, coated with the special coating that they, uh, contracted out to this one, uh, company in Switzerland. And then that has to get, you know, sent over and assembled by one guy in Stuttgart. So it's, there's a lot of that going on.

• 58:45Jack Selby?

  How important is having good insurance?

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Pretty, I mean, pretty important, depending on what you're talking about. Is it's if it's like car insurance or?

• 58:53Jack Selby?

  Yeah, good car insurance because you're buying these cars where I'm, I expect they're getting these full payouts on them.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  Yes, so um, good insurance. Uh, I mean, I don't know what the insurance situation is for the people that, you know, salvage these cars. I'm sure, I'm sure it's fine. I know the P1 owner got paid out pretty good. I think he has a, he got a share on later on. Uh, so I think he's fine. Uh, but for me, um, I was just talking about this with a friend the other day. Other than somebody hitting me or somebody suing me for something like if I made a mistake, I wouldn't need insurance. If I crash this thing into a tree, I'm fixing it here. Like I'm not, I'm never going to take this thing to like, if, if some, if some guy dings my car in a parking lot, I'm not going through insurance. I'm not, not like, uh, it's, it's just something I'm gonna fix. I'll, I'll work out

• 59:43Speaker 02

  with, you know, with whatever, you know, whoever, um, uh, hit the car. And honestly, it's, it's not something that I think I would ever use, but you need, you need to have it. And I'd rather have, you know, all the limits and, and all the, you know, all these cars are fully covered and, you know, like, I don't want to be stuck, like, you know, stuck holding the bag when something does happen where I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have cheaped out on that.

• 1:00:11Jack Selby?

  How much should the average man be able to fix a car? Like, what should they be able to do? Like, obviously, like people say, like the spark plugs, they say tires, oil, you know?

• 1:00:20Graham Stephan?

  I could change a tire and I've done, uh, the

• 1:00:23Jack Selby?

  You've done wiper fluids.

• 1:00:24Graham Stephan?

  I've done wiper fluids. I've added oil to the car and I've

• 1:00:28Jack Selby?

  Added oil.

• 1:00:29Graham Stephan?

  Replaced it.

• 1:00:30Jack Selby?

  You've added oil.

• 1:00:30Graham Stephan?

  I've replaced the, uh, what are the little fuses? I've done that.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Welcome to the Ice Coffee Hour Red Pill Edition. Um, this is, uh, yeah. How much should an average man know how to, how to work on a car? I think

• 1:00:44Jack Selby?

  At what line should they go to a mechanic? You know?

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  I think they should understand their own limits. They should understand when, because I, I'm, I'm not one of these guys that, uh, say like, well, you gotta figure it out and, uh, you know, you never want to ask for direct Or you know, because you're Macho Man or blah, blah, blah. I think if you are confident in doing something or like if you watch a YouTube video and you are empowered by that, if you watch a Chris Fix video and you're like, hey, actually I could change, you know, my differential oil or my clutch or something like that, then I think you should go for it. Because even if you don't do it, even if you don't, don't finish it or whatever, you've still tried something that you like, you've gotten out of your comfort zone.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  I think the ability for a person to, to, to work on a car only comes from them being able to say, I don't know how that works, but I'm going to figure it out.

• 1:01:36Jack Selby?

  But what, what, like if we're gonna

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Like a baseline?

• 1:01:39Jack Selby?

  If we're gonna get like the Yeah, like what should a man know how to do?

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  So change a tire, um, it's, it's, change a tire is 100%, 100%. Because if you don't know how to change a tire and then your wife or girlfriend or partner don't know how to change a tire.

• 1:01:54Jack Selby?

  If she calls you, hey, can you change a tire? You're like, ah, I'm a little busy right now. She's like, I know you're not. You're like, ooh, you know, I'll send someone over. She's like, please come help me.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  The only saving grace is that a lot of new cars now don't have spare tires. So you'd have to call AAA anyway, or you'd have to like, there, there's, there's a lot of ways out of it. I think at the very least, change a tire, make sure you have good tire pressure, things, things like that. I don't think you need to go and do spark plugs or like your own oil changes. It would be good to do that, but like things like, um, well, I'm gonna go warm up the car and make sure the battery's not dead, you know, like how to jump a car. Things like that, like jump a car from another car without, you know, destroying your electrical system, you know, red to red, black to black.

• 1:02:39Jack Selby?

  Should every man know how to drive manual?

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Yes, uh, I think so. Um, I think it is, uh, it's, it's not that it's a manly thing to do. I, I just think that it is a, it is a skill that is easier than you think to, uh, learn. And you never know when you'll need it. And also, In today's like society, if you get to a point where let's say you go to a different country and then you have a car that you're renting and you're like, oh, I didn't know it was manual. Ah, it's no problem. Not, not a problem. And then you just feel like, okay, I'm glad I learned that. And I, this also goes for women in terms of like manual, because like, turns out, pressing pedals and shifting gears is not just a man thing. Like you can, like, women can also do this. So I think driving manual is a, is a, is

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  a really good, you know, skill to have. But as far as, as far as a man, whatever goes into the sort of ethos of like, providing, you know, like, like providing or protecting. If you are, if your car is in a vulnerable spot, like if your tire blows and you're on Common issues. Yeah, you're, you're on the side of the road. Let's say your, your wife is on the side of the road. You don't want her on the side of the road. So you're gonna go out and you're gonna be the person that protects her from this vulnerability, you know? You'll go out and, and, you know, you don't want, you also don't want to change stuff on the side of the road, but it's better you than her, you know? So I, I think, I think that's probably it. But there's no like line where Yeah.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  It's like, well, you changed fuses. Well, how about, how about the fusible links? Hmm, how about that? You know, you, whatever you feel comfortable with, and if you feel emboldened to go more like, hey, maybe I'm gonna, you know, change out a seat, or like, maybe change out some buttons on my, on my center console, or maybe I want to paint this, or whatever. Go for it. I, I think just having that ability and want to problem solve and be out of your comfort zone. And then when you actually get it done, you're like, that felt pretty good. I think that's, that's a, that's a thing that I would like more men to have.

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• 1:07:34Jack Selby?

  Is he trying to sell it?

• 1:07:35Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Jack Selby?

  He's trying to sell his Koenigsegg?

• 1:07:36Graham Stephan?

  Yes.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  Don't buy Koenigsegg. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Um, I, I have no stake in Koenigsegg at all. Realistically, the hypercar market is, it's so interesting because back in like, back 20 years ago, the only hypercar you can really get was the Bugatti Veyron. And that was the biggest deal in the world. It was a million dollars, like a million dollar car. That is cra- a thousand horsepower, does 250 something miles an hour. It is the craziest, fastest, whatever. And now the new million mark is now 2 million. Every new hypercar, the Ferrari F80, the McLaren W1, like they're all two and a half million dollar cars. There have been countless hypercar manufacturers that come out of the woodwork.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Like I was invited to Italy this year where a, a hypercar manufacturer brought out this new 2000 horsepower V12 quad turbo, you know, blah, blah, blah. How much does it cost? Two and a half mil. Everybody is around that price point because I think there's so many people that want to be like, they, they know that they can sell a car, like weirdly quickly. Because there's so many people with a ton of cash. If you go to like a Pagani or, or, uh, you know, Koenigsegg are still like two to three mil. But like a Pagani, they could charge you nine, 10 million dollars. And it's, it's sort of based on how much, how much you make, like, you know, how much does this car cost? And they go like, well, I don't know. What's your bank account? What do you have? Yeah. What do you, what do you got?

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  That's how much it costs. Yeah. Turn, turn out your pockets. Tell me. I think that there's, there's still levels to this. So like, if you have a hypercar market where it's like, well, you have the, the Porsche 918 and then you have the McLaren P1, those like two mil. And then you have, you know, the Pagani is at, you know, five to seven. And then you have like the, the Gordon Murray, the new S1 LM that just, you know, one of the, it wasn't even, the, the car doesn't exist yet. It's just like the build, uh, slot for that went for 22 million dollars. So like, there are people that are buying and paying for this stuff, um, which is nuts. I think there's, um, after. While you're gonna see, you know, the wheat separate from the chaff.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  It's you're gonna see the cars that truly appreciate and people, um, you know, like them for what they are. And then other cars are just gonna be like, well, these didn't go anywhere and these are just kind of flashing the pans. And even if they spend $2 million on them, they're not, they're not worth it now. And they don't have any support because the company went under or whatever.

• 1:10:10Jack Selby?

  How much money should you have to comfortably buy a Lamborghini?

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  That's a good question. What depends on the Lamborghini because um, if you have like the cheapest Lamborghini you can get right now is probably a early Gallardo.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  And that, that car in good shape is probably between 80 and 120, uh, 80 grand and 120 grand. I think, I mean, I don't, you're the finance guy, so you can tell me what percentage of, you know, your net worth or your income you should, you should spend on this. But like, you should never treat cars, especially cars like that as investments. I think you should treat them as toys and you should uh, understand that these are, they're not, they're emotional purchases. Whether or not you can make money on the other end, that's fine. Like you can, it's possible that you can buy this low and sell high. I don't think that should be the point of it because then that gets in the way of you actually enjoying the thing.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  You know, I'm a, I'm a big fan of the, the Jane Birkin philosophy where, you know, you have this really high end bag. That's made really well and it's expensive, but you abuse it like you just use every inch of it. And you know, it'll have scratches and whatever, but it's, that's what it's there for. You know, if you have a car that is, you know, like these, but they have a hundred thousand miles on them and they have, you know, road rash or whatever. But like you use them and they do everything that like, you're getting the enjoyment out of it every single day. I think that's like a way better proposition than you're like, well, I, I had it for six months and I made $5,000. And I like, I drove it three times. Like, wow, cool. Awesome.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  You know, I, I feel like it's, you have to have, like, the reason why you have all of this, it's, it's because it's like a roller coaster that you own. And if you, if you told somebody that you owned a roller coaster, but then at the, you know, like in a year, you'd be like, oh yeah, I've only ridden it three times. Like, why? Why? Oh yeah. Well, I mean, it's the bearings and the stuff, you know, it just, it takes a lot of, a lot of energy to run it and whatever. Like, I would be right, I'd be on that every single day. What, why, why are you doing that?

• 1:12:13Jack Selby?

  How many miles have you driven your Ford GT?

• 1:12:15Graham Stephan?

  Three hundred.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  In how many years?

• 1:12:18Graham Stephan?

  Five years.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  You should drive your car more. You should drive your car more. So, okay, now I'm gonna pose a question to you. What are you worried about there?

• 1:12:26Graham Stephan?

  Uh, the car has become so valuable and the values are rising so quickly that I don't wanna hit ten thousand miles on the car. And I'm at seventy seven hundred and I know hitting the barriers of like eight to nine to ten. When you hit ten, you take about a fifteen percent drop in value consistently.

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Graham Stephan?

  On a five hundred thousand dollar car, that's a lot of money to lose just for going like from eight to ten. So I'm gonna keep it probably in the eights, but I drive it just to put miles in the car, to keep it going, to keep the fluids going, to keep everything in good condition, to, you know, move the tires around. I do that. I do a little loop, fill it up, drive it right back, and I'm really nervous driving the car because it's worth so much money.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Okay, no, so I understand that, and it's not, you know, it's not without merit. Why did you get the car in the first place?

• 1:13:18Graham Stephan?

  Investment.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  Okay, so if you treat it as an investment vehicle, sure, a hundred percent, I totally get that. I guess the difference between, you know, my philosophy and yours is that like I wouldn't buy a car as an investment. I think I buy them as a story. And also because I buy these cars and like, I don't care what condition they're in, like, the higher the miles, the better to me. Because I know that I can get into this car and this experience really low. If I ever get a car that's like super, super low mileage and like, oh, this is a cherry cream puff and, you know, it's never been farted in and whatever. Like, I think the only thing I can do to that car is make it worse. I drive that car five hundred feet, it's now worse than it was, you know, it's now worth less.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  Because, you know, if you look at that mindset, you know, if you have less than ten thousand miles, ten thousand miles isn't a magic number. It's just like one more digit, right? It's an arbitrary thing. So why don't you keep it less than, you know, what is it, seven thousand miles now?

• 1:14:22Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, but this is psychological point where a lot of buyers see that.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:14:26Graham Stephan?

  Is like ninety, eight hundred seems like a lot less than ten thousand.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  Correct, correct. I mean, it's the psychological point where that's why you go nine ninety-nine instead of ten. However, I feel like.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  If you cross that barrier to 10,000 and you go, you know what? I'm going to take the hit and I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this car. Then the, the ability for you to enjoy the car increases exponentially. So you go from 10,000 because you know, realistically, a buyer isn't going to have a difference between a 10,000 mile car and a 25,000 mile car. So now you can enjoy this car for 15,000 more miles. It's not like you're enjoying the car for 3,000 more miles and then, you know, you have to take a 15% hit. Like now you can drive the car for 20, 20,000 miles. That's a lot of experiences. So like, is that worth that? Is that worth it for you? Or why don't you cash out of that car?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Like sell it because if you're, if you're just maintaining it, um, cash out of that car. And then buy a car with some miles on it where you're like, you know what? This is already, you know, somebody's already.

• 1:15:35Jack Selby?

  I already have two other cars like that.

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:15:36Jack Selby?

  That's a good point. You could buy a 4GT with like 11,000 miles or 15,000 miles.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  30,000 miles.

• 1:15:42Jack Selby?

  30,000 miles and drive it around and it will probably appreciate maybe at a similar amount. And you can actually have that spread and put it in.

• 1:15:49Graham Stephan?

  I already got a great car, man. It's pristine. I already, I got, I got it sorted. I know everything about the car. It's perfect.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Well, well, listen, it, it all depends on what you want because again, some people buy cars as investment vehicles and that's totally fine. Some people buy them as art. Some people just want to look at them in their, in their garage. That's also totally fine. I'm not, there's no right or wrong way to, to do this, but I think just for me and my, um, you know, sensibilities. I like to have experiences and then drive them and it doesn't matter what, like the higher miles are better.

• 1:16:20Jack Selby?

  You said there's no right or wrong way. What do you think about Whistling Diesel's way of driving cars?

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Well, Whistle, I mean, I, I think we touched on this in the last one as well. And, uh, you know, since then it's, it's gotten, you know, it's only, it's only ramped up from there.

• 1:16:34Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  I really, you know, I, I have so much respect for Cody. I have so much respect for Whistling Diesel because, um, it is entertainment that you can't get anywhere else. It is a, uh, A type of content that um you know hits on it it it almost circumvents your reason centers in your brain where it has that ooga booga brain like oh this is uh this is expensive thing and he's destroying it and this is just kinda like uh it seems like wanton destruction but it's not I know for a fact that uh when the cameras are off he is like he he legitimately cares about the people in his videos he's trying to make things like he wants to make

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  them as safe as possible and he he like writes out storylines and he's very particular about his editing and is very particular about like how he puts videos out and how he wants to be portrayed um so he is like a really smart guy uh I know he's ruffled some feathers because of the type of content that he does but um sometimes like listen if he wants to take a Ferrari F8 and um you know do some donuts in a in a dry field and then it burns down because like whoopsie um then that's just you know that that's that's part of his content he makes money from it and that's part of his uh you know repertoire now.

• 1:17:54Jack Selby?

  What are your thoughts on Whistling Diesel getting arrested?

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  That was um so Whistling Diesel getting arrested was pretty clearly so pretty clearly somebody wanted to make an example out of him there is no reason or there's no reality in in which a state uh government entity would not just send you a letter like they should send you like if you're especially over thirty thousand dollars thirty grand over one car like it makes it makes no sense to me why they would have like eight people come onto his property and then arrest him and they go what for tax evasion?

• 1:18:35Jack Selby?

  Eight people.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  And like they they walked onto his property they didn't they didn't call him they they didn't say hey we want to give you the uh the ability to turn yourself in they wanted to make a spectacle out of this they wanted this to be a thing I think that he um somebody high up didn't like him I think somebody high up got their feathers ruffled or maybe somebody was calling into the city or the state or or just you know somebody. Was very, very angry and they they were like, how can we get this guy? How can we, you know, make this guy's life, you know, hell? And they didn't know what 10 million people behind one guy looks like. So I I really think that they, I think they screwed up. I think the like, this could have been, it's it's one of those things that like, could have been solved in an email.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  You know, like, it's, it's.

• 1:19:23Graham Stephan?

  Here's my thought, though. I actually think the opposite of it. I think they were using him as an example to close that Montana LLC loophole. I think that's the only thing they wanted.

• 1:19:35Jack Selby?

  Explain the Montana LLC loophole.

• 1:19:36Graham Stephan?

  Montana does not have sales tax. So when you go and buy a car and let's just say California, they charge you a sales tax on the price of the vehicle. You spend a hundred thousand dollars. They charge you a 9% sales at $9,000. So what a lot of people would do is they'll go and buy a million dollar car. And instead of paying a hundred thousand dollars to the state, they spend $99 on a Montana LLC.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:20:00Graham Stephan?

  They register the car to the Montana LLC, the LLC owns the car, and you don't have to pay the sales tax on it.

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:07Graham Stephan?

  That's tax avoidance or tax evasion.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Well, avoidance and evasion is really different. Yeah, avoidance, avoidance is legal.

• 1:20:15Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, we'll call it.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Evasion is not.

• 1:20:16Graham Stephan?

  The the state would argue that's tax evasion because you're driving and operating the car in the state.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:20:22Graham Stephan?

  My understanding is that Tennessee really just wanted to see this loophole go away. And they wanted to instill fear in people that if they register their cars in Montana, they could get arrested.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  Get arrested.

• 1:20:35Graham Stephan?

  And I think Cody played into that perfectly because now they see his mugshot. He makes a video about it. Everyone knows about it. And if you're on the fence about like, should I start a Montana LLC? You're gonna think, oh, I don't want to be like Cody. I don't want to get arrested.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:49Graham Stephan?

  They're cracking down on this. I don't want that to be me.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Graham Stephan?

  They're not gonna do it. They're gonna pay the extra $30,000. So I think if they just sent a letter, Cody would have paid it and no one would know. But this is the best marketing for them to shut down the Montana LLCs. Because even in California, I guarantee people there see Cody and they say, oh, I don't want to mess with that, just in case.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  Well, um, so I I I see that, I see that side of things, however.

• 1:21:18Speaker 02

  The amount of money that they would earn from this.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  I don't know how many hypercar owners there are in Tennessee. I can't imagine that there are a lot. I feel like the people that have the kind of money that can have mobility. And like, let's say, you know, you have Pagani's and Koenigsegg's and they're all registered in Montana.

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• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  I don't think it's going to be like that big of a game changer. There's not a ton of people with like regular cars that are going to Montana LLCs. You know, this is not something that is scalable. This is like 10 people, you know, like relatively, right?

• 1:22:34Graham Stephan?

  Sure.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  This is, we're talking about a small percentage of people that they could just talk to like individually. They can just say, like, you can obviously write a letter to these people. And then you say, hey, you, you know, you owe this much and blah, blah, blah. And, and then that's it. Like, I think writing a letter or whatever, instead of making this public spectacle. It, it does them a disservice because what happens to Cody is Cody is also very resistant to this. So he's now instilling, you know, like if people are already on the fence, they're like, I don't know if I'm going to do this. And Cody's like, they don't have a leg to stand on.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Like I'm like, I'm the worst person to, to, to do this to because I, I am petty and I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna fight this until I have no more money left. You know, like I'm gonna fight this and, and make it into this, this crazy circus. And I don't think they're ready for that. I think if they just wanted money, they could have sent letters to everybody and it could have sent stern letters and been like, hey, so we know what you're doing. And you could get, you know, we could arrest you and then that, that's it.

• 1:23:40Graham Stephan?

  I think they're just going to offer to settle and say, hey, we're going to drop the case, pay us the 30 grand and we'll go away. That's what I think is probably gonna happen. Or they're gonna say, or we fight this for years. We're gonna use every resource possible. And it's a 50 50. If he wants to spend potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  But he could do it. He could do it because he, um, so what YouTube allows you to do is monetize your misery. I mean, this, this is, if it's an ongoing case, this is a story that people aren't gonna let go. He, the first video that he made on this is just him sitting at a desk and it got, you know, like five million views. So this is something that is clearly profitable for him. He didn't have to, you know.

• 1:24:19Graham Stephan?

  But the state wants that too. They want more publicity of, look how difficult we're making his life. Don't do this. And I think the more publicity he feeds it, the more it feeds into what they want, which is just more publicity around not using a Montana LLC.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  The issue is that they don't control the narrative he does. So he can say whatever he wants. And the reason why he has 10 million subscribers, 10 million followers, is because he's really good at influencing opinion, whether, whether it's, uh, you know, negative or positive. Um, and there's so many comments on his video saying, oh, this is the state of Tennessee, um, uh, durability test, you know? Like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna see where this goes, you know? I think people are ready for that. And I think people want to see that. I don't think this is a, like, for most people, for those 10 million subscribers, most of those people aren't owning Ferraris and then they're, they're using some tax loophole to, to, you know, go to Montana.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Um, there are, there are also other loopholes that you can use that, that isn't Montana, that are like less well known. But realistically, I don't see that this is like a gigantic issue. And especially not one that the state is willing to expend millions and millions of dollars. Cause that, they would be into that, millions and millions of dollars. So like, so now, like, if they wanna make an example out of them, like now it's gonna cost them. Now it's gonna cost them time and money, cause that costs them money. They have a budget. They don't have unlimited money to do this, but Cody has the ability to essentially make unlimited content from this. You know, he made that tax evasion t-shirt. He made, um, a carbon fiber cowboy hat, um, that one of my friends made.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  And, you know, those were going for 25, 2600 dollars, you know? And, and those, those sold out, like it is. It is crazy that, um, you know, you're trying to not necessarily extort, but you're trying to get money out of this guy who otherwise would have just paid the money. Like he, I, I guarantee you, if they went to Cody and said, hey, this is a, this is an issue or whatever.

• 1:26:25Graham Stephan?

  But again, I don't think that's their goal. I don't think their goal is money. I think it's to make an example.

• 1:26:28Jack Selby?

  Either way, it may have been a misstep because he's just gonna fight it. He'll have unlimited money and he'll be able to set the narrative.

• 1:26:33Graham Stephan?

  I think they were hoping he would make content. I think it's just to dissuade people.

• 1:26:36Jack Selby?

  But I think he will be able to set the narrative. That's the only thing. He's, he's got a 10 million.

• 1:26:40Graham Stephan?

  The narrative I think is already set. Even if he wins, people just think, I don't want to go up against that. I don't want to do the same thing.

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  I, I think the ROI doesn't make any sense for the state. The ROI has, it does not make any sense for the state. And I think they miscalculated. Um, they have no idea how to, how to, how to.

• 1:26:58Graham Stephan?

  Maybe they are working with other states though.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. But anyways, that's just what I think.

• 1:27:02Graham Stephan?

  But speaking of all the cars that Whistle and Diesel buys, what do you think is the perfect car collection for a hundred thousand dollars and for a million dollars?

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  It all depends on what you want, but uh, let's see, for a hundred thousand dollars, you could, I think the answer is always gonna be some sort of Porsche. So if you got like a Porsche Boxster S for like, buy it used for, or like a Cayman, uh, Cayman S, um, you could do that for 30 grand, 30, 40 grand. And then you can get something that's, uh, you know, pretty practical. So you can probably get like a, like a Tesla, you know, Model S that, uh, is otherwise boring, but also, you know, kind of fast and, and does everything you needed to do. And then like, you can buy one of those for 25.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  So then you'd have some money left over for something, uh, kind of off the wall. So, uh, maybe like a, like a true toy, toy. Um, and. I don't know, like it's it's really hard because a hundred thousand dollars is not what it once was, you know, now you can spend that on like three quarters of a truck. Uh, so a hundred grand, it would all have to be in the used car market. Um, I would buy a Japanese nineties like icon, something like, you know, Integra type R or something like that where it is an experience you can no longer get and you can get those for

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  like 20 grand. So it would it would be something a little bit older, not just older in terms of like my own nostalgia because nineties is, you know, holds a special value to me. Uh, and then you have a sports car, maybe a Porsche, um, you know, Boxer, if you can get into a nine 11, like an older nine 11, that would be great. Um, that's something that's still practical, but has has some sporty feel. And then you have, uh, like a family grocery getter, uh, like a Tesla, or if you want to do a, a gas powered something, then I don't know, maybe a, charger, not not a charger, because you wouldn't be going to, uh, you know, donor competitions. I think, um, maybe, yeah, I think, I think, I think an EV, yeah, an EV would be, would be great. So that's a hundred thousand dollars.

• 1:29:19Graham Stephan?

  Okay. What about for a million dollars?

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  For a million dollars, that that becomes more interesting, but also a little bit harder because you can't get like the the hypercar stuff unless you get like a really ratty one. But if you want the best, uh, the best of, um, all worlds.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  Nine 11 GT3, uh, I would get one of those for 250, uh, GT3 manual. It is the best manual car I have ever driven. It's not even close. Then I would get a McLaren, um, whether it's a 675, you can probably find what find them for like 225 or McLaren 720, uh, McLaren 720, you can get it for about 225 to 230. So let's say you're half a mil into it and you still have $500,000 left over. Then, uh, I would have a, uh, something four door. So let's say like a Mercedes S-Class or like an Audi R6 or something like that. Um, that's another 150. So you have like 350 left over. And then, you know, if I, if I were you, then I'd be like, well, I'd, I'd put that into, uh, into some real estate and then just, uh, wait for my money to, to double in seven years.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  But, um, I think if you had another three fifty, then it's whatever, you know, whatever you want from, for me, I would probably do like a, uh, Nissan R thirty four GTR, um, you know, Skyline. Uh, so that's another, like a good one is a hundred and fifty grand. Uh, and then like a Toyota Supra. And, you know, so, something that, um, hits on those like childhood dreams, uh, in your head. And I think that would be a pretty, pretty good garage for, for a million dollars. You'd have a little bit of money left over, but figure like tires and parts and.

• 1:30:57Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. What I really wanted is the three hundred SL replicas. Have you seen some of these? They look so unbelievably good, but they're selling now for like three hundred thousand dollars for like a one to one replica.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  So one of my friends was selling them, uh, what was selling them? It was sold, sold one on Bring a Trailer.

• 1:31:17Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  And, uh, yeah, it was like three hundred grand. It's, it's crazy. So it's on like a newer chassis, um, but they are very close. There, there are some tell, telltale signs of like, well, uh, they don't have this hole in the bottom of the bumper because that's where you put the jack handle and blah, blah, blah.

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  But a real SL, I mean, Tyler Hoover just bought a, bought a SL Goldwing and those are two million dollars, you know? Um, so for you to get a car that is fifteen percent of the price, that's not a bad deal. However, you're still buying a like a SLK two thirty, that's fifty five hundred dollars all day long with a body kit. So you have to contend with that. It is well done and like, I don't know. Uh, maybe this, this, uh, this is a difference between me and you because like it's in a philosophy sense. Because I don't like the fake cars, like I, because it, it, it screams to me.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  Like this is, I'm trying to fool somebody else into thinking like it's a fake handbag or whatever, even if it looks really, really convincing, it's, it's fine. But like, I'm still trying to put out into the world that I have this possession that is not legitimate. Um, now if, if you're looking for the actual experience of an SL, you're not going to get it in that replica because it's a modern car. It's a modern car and it's not like a tube chassis with a inline six and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, what I would do, there are companies that make like accurate replicas. Um, there's a Bugatti Type 57 or something like that, like this pre-war Bugatti.

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  And it is like 98% accurate to like, uh, this company, uh, makes every single part. They do it exactly the way that they would have done it back in the day. The car needs to start the way that, you know, it has, has a little handle in the front and, but it's, it's new. It's like all the parts are new, but it looks like a Bugatti made a hundred years ago. And it still is a replica, but it's, it's, uh, it's been ordained by Bugatti.

• 1:33:24Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, it's a continuation.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but those are 200 grand, but the real ones are millions of dollars. So I feel like you can get the, you know, not only is this like more or less like an actual Bugatti for 200 grand, but you're getting the exact experience that, that, that guy in the million, you know, two, three million dollar car would get with his car. And, uh, that's, that's the only contention. Like if you're getting the exact same experience for 10%, go for it. If you're not, and it's just like, well, it's a thin veneer of like, kind of looks like an SL or it kind of looks like a, uh, uh, Diablo, but it's actually a Fiero with 130 horsepower. Like these two things are not the same.

• 1:34:03Graham Stephan?

  What about salvage cars? I look Facebook all the time and I see these great deals and I click on it as a salvage.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Uh, so unless you are willing to go above your current,

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  you know, mechanical knowledge of, uh, you know, doing an oil change or, or, you know, whatever that is like, I think you have to know what you're looking at. There's a lot of people that, that think that you can get a deal on something because oh, expensive thing, cheap now, and I want to like, I, I'm going to get one over on the man by buying this. Meanwhile, in order to actually do things properly and fixes properly, it's going to cost you way more than it would have to, to actually just buy a used one. So I would be like buyer beware on, on salvage cars unless you know, a lot of things about that particular model. So there are cars that are like good deals. Um, like, let's say if you have like an older Porsche

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  and it has maybe some body damage, but you know that those cars are like steel cars and steel can be, you know, brought back or you can buy these panels like relatively cheaply. That's different from like, say a newer Porsche where everything's aluminum and you can't, you can't, you can't pull it like you can with an older one. Uh, you have to put it on a, a frame machine and then basically cut out everything, replace the aluminum because you, it, it just won't, uh, conform the, the way steel would.

• 1:35:27Jack Selby?

  What about mileage? I know this is a very context dependent decision, but generally speaking, what mileage should you look under?

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  I don't care about mileage. It's, it's like, it's, uh, so, so this is the car version of does body count matter? Like it is, it is really like, well, how many owners does it have? I don't care. Like I, I think you can have a car that has a million miles on it, but it's still in good running condition. You can have a car that has 300 miles that is barely running.

• 1:35:54Jack Selby?

  What's the highest mileage car you've ever seen?

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I, I have the, I have Matt Ferrer's million mile Lexus. We have a Lexus LS400 with a million miles on it.

• 1:36:01Jack Selby?

  How's it running? Great.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  It runs great. I mean, it leaks a little bit, but other than that, it's a Lexus, so it literally will run forever. It's a V8, automatic. It's, I mean, it's, it's not a spring chicken, but it does have, like, everything on the interior works. All the, you know, the radio, the air conditioning, all that's fine. You know, you can, it's fairly comfortable. It's a supple ride, the leather's good, all that.

• 1:36:28Graham Stephan?

  How much could you sell it for?

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  I bought it for a dollar. So I mean, like, ROI is really good, you know, like, even if I sold it for five bucks, I mean, that's 500% profit.

• 1:36:35Graham Stephan?

  It's better than any investment you've made. Yeah, buy a dollar car.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  If I, if I sold it for a thousand dollars, that'd be a thousand percent. No, I'd be a thousand times my profit.

• 1:36:43Graham Stephan?

  A thousand X. And if you just did that over and over and over again.

• 1:36:45Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be loaded.

• 1:36:48Graham Stephan?

  What car brand would you refuse to buy?

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  Cone exec, no. I, I don't think I'd refuse to buy anything. I, I, I want to learn more about every car brand I can, because I want to see the engineering solutions. I want to see how these companies solve problems. And it's really interesting seeing how different countries and, and different companies solve problems. Like, the British solve, solve them in a very specific way, and the, the Germans solve them in a very specific way, and the Japanese solve them. Like, so it's, everything just adds to, like, my knowledge and understanding of, of how, how engineering works and how different people's brains work. But there's no car that I would be like, oh, I'm never buying a car from that manufacturer, because if, if there's

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  a manufacturer that makes really, really bad cars, then that's just an opportunity to, like, make them better if you care about that platform. Like, let's say if I, you know, McLarens, like, if, if McLaren, like, McLaren has some reliability issues, and, but I really like driving them. So I wouldn't say I wouldn't buy, buy a McLaren because they're unreliable. I would just buy one and then find out how it works and fix what doesn't work, you know?

• 1:37:57Graham Stephan?

  I'm always so tempted on Facebook. I saw one. It was a 2006 Bentley Flying Spur.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 1:38:03Graham Stephan?

  And it had, like, 70,000 miles, $18,000.

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  I amend my statement. I would not buy a Bentley.

• 1:38:10Jack Selby?

  Why is that?

• 1:38:11Speaker 02

  So that so a Bentley Flying Spur or a Bentley Continental GTI. I did have an oh six and it was the most hateful wrenching experience I've ever had. In order to fix one of those cars, it had a very specific issue that the early ones. Flying Spurs, I believe, had this as well, the early ones. So it is a giant W 12 with twin turbos. There's no room in that engine bay for anything like you have like it is a very cramped engine bay. So there are these vacuum lines, these little 35 cent vacuum hoses that go on the back of the engine, like along the transmission and they are inaccessible and they will crack because it's a really hot engine bay. There's a lot of heat cycles over time.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  Those vacuum hoses crack, give you a check engine light, the car is not going to run right. It's like an emissions thing and in order to get to those lines, the engine has to come out. A 35 cent hose, you can on any other car, you can put that hose anywhere and then just, oh, this hose cracked. Boom, you know, it's five minute, five minute deal. This is a 30 plus hour ordeal. And while you're at, while you're there, why not change things like the starter? Because those, those go and it's really inaccessible. There's like, there's a bunch of stuff that, that you have to do while the engine's out. And then while you're pulling it out, all the fittings and hoses, they're all brittle, so they break. So you gotta replace those and the same thing for the cooling system. And it's just, it's just a nightmare.

• 1:39:36Speaker 02

  Um, so I would not recommend that car, even though I do like Bentleys, uh, like the later ones, the V eights and like they're super, super cool. But like the early W 12 Bentleys, unless you like really hate yourself, like really hate yourself and want to get dirty and have a car that isn't really that fun to drive and it feels really heavy. Then, you know, I would just stay away from that car.

• 1:40:01Jack Selby?

  All right, what's your first gut response to these next couple of questions?

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:40:05Jack Selby?

  What's the worst car of all time?

• 1:40:09Jack Selby?

  What's the image that comes to mind?

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  Uh, I want to say Yugo GV, but that's not true. But yeah, Yugo GV, it's this, uh, this car, um, made in the late eighties and early nineties from Yugoslavia, country doesn't exist anymore. And, uh, it was sold here. Actually, it was brought to the States by a guy, um, that, um, brought Subaru to the, to the States as well. And, uh, his name was Malcolm Bricklin. And, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it was just sold for like $39.95. And it was just hateful and, and just didn't drive well. And yeah, they're, they're pretty crappy.

• 1:40:46Jack Selby?

  The best car of all time.

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  McLaren F1.

• 1:40:49Jack Selby?

  And it's not even, that was, that was, see, that was a true gut response right there.

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:53Jack Selby?

  Which car YouTuber is the worst with money?

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Tavarish.

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  Without a doubt. When, uh, when Doug Demiro said, I'm worried about Freddie. Yeah. I'm like, I was, what's crazy, what's really crazy is when, when you're, uh, you know, watching podcasts and then Doug Demiro says like, hey, I'm worried about you. And I'm like, oh God. Oh my God.

• 1:41:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, the worst with money, I, I don't know what anybody else's financials are, but I have to assume it's me.

• 1:41:21Jack Selby?

  Who's the best with money?

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  Uh, Graham.

• 1:41:26Graham Stephan?

  No, a car YouTuber.

• 1:41:27Jack Selby?

  Oh, yeah. Which car?

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  You're not a car YouTuber?

• 1:41:29Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  You wouldn't, you don't consider yourself a car, you have, you have cool cars. Okay. Um, Stradman.

• 1:41:35Graham Stephan?

  The best with money?

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:36Graham Stephan?

  More than Doug Demiro?

• 1:41:38Jack Selby?

  Doug Demiro.

• 1:41:39Graham Stephan?

  Doug Demiro, yes.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  No, no, no, Doug's very specific with money, but he can be pretty frivolous. He'll, he'll buy, he'll buy some, some car that he considers cool. And, and then that's like, I think, I, I don't think Doug Demiro, I, I'm, I'm glad, I'm, I think he's totally fine with money. I think he's, he's great. I think Stradman has monetized himself in such a way that he can afford hypercars and an incredible house and an incredible lifestyle. And he's opening up pizza places and there's like upward mobility there. Doug, I think, put all his eggs in one basket and it, and it, it did, um, pan out for him very, very well. But he said it himself. He's like, well, I don't know if I can do this again. I'm sure he can.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  I, I have a lot of faith in Doug and I know he does, he's very calculated with his decisions. But I, I feel like Stradman is probably like, in terms of growth and ROI, I think he's probably better.

• 1:42:33Jack Selby?

  If you could only own one car for the rest of your life, what would it be?

• 1:42:36Speaker 02

  GT3.

• 1:42:37Jack Selby?

  If you could only own one car for the next year, what would it be?

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  Like, and then after that, I just don't, don't own cars anymore?

• 1:42:43Jack Selby?

  You can do whatever you want.

• 1:42:44Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, okay. Um, Aston Martin DBS.

• 1:42:47Jack Selby?

  Why?

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  Um, it's the last V12, uh, big body Aston Martin with a manual. I love it. It sounds like an old F1 car. It's, uh, it's fantastic. It's drive. It's a great date night car. Uh, it's practical and it just, I think it's the best looking Aston Martin made in the last 25 years.

• 1:43:03Jack Selby?

  If you were to take a guess on your next massive rebuild, what would it be?

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• 1:44:09Jack Selby?

  First gut response.

• 1:44:10Speaker 02

  LaFerrari.

• 1:44:11Graham Stephan?

  I was about to say, you need that holy trinity. That's the one car it's missing.

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  I need, I need a LaFerrari that, so it's, uh, so I have the, uh, P1 that has been flood damaged. So you have a water type. And then you have the, the fire type 918. So I need a ground type. Um, so I need the,

• 1:44:29Jack Selby?

  Isn't that grass type?

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah, grass type, not ground type. Ground type would be what? Like diglit or whatever? So, um, no, I need a bulbous sore, right? So I, I need, uh, I need a LaFerrari out in a field or in a forest or something.

• 1:44:41Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:41Graham Stephan?

  Do you know of any that exist?

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, not, not ones that are, that need like an insane amount of work. The problem is they're five million dollars. Like a good one is five mil, five million dollars. I don't know if I could ever, ever do something like that. Um, because like even, even if it crashed and like it broke in half. They're still gonna ask like a million or two for it. So like, I don't know what that looks like. But then again, I said this, you know, back in the day and now, you know, I, somebody said, hey, do you want a Porsche 918? And, you know, I, I said, how much, how much do you want for it? Initially, they wanted something like 400 grand and then we got them down to 145. So I'm sure that there is some LaFerrari, you know, that's been in a wreck, that's just sitting in a, in a garage somewhere.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  And then, you know, if I have two nickels to rub together, I can go over there and be like, I can rebuild this.

• 1:45:33Graham Stephan?

  Or the Ferrari Enzo. That would be another one.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  Enzo would be.

• 1:45:36Graham Stephan?

  Eddie Griffin one, or the one on PCH that's split in half, like one of those.

• 1:45:41Speaker 02

  Eddie Griffin one would be cool, but uh, yeah, the Enzo is, is an interesting one. But what I would do with an Enzo is I would manual convert it. Like, I think an Enzo with a manual would be amazing. And I think that would a hundred percent get me a letter from Ferrari. Like Ferrari would be like.

• 1:45:57Graham Stephan?

  Get sued.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you can't, you can't, uh, you can't do this, but uh, I would, that, that's what I would do with an Enzo.

• 1:46:03Jack Selby?

  Speaking of water type, I just got a text to my phone saying they have noticed continuous water at my property, so I have to go make a phone call real quick.

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:46:12Jack Selby?

  Best of luck to you guys.

• 1:46:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:46:13Jack Selby?

  We've already had two leaks in the new Ice Coffee Hour warehouse. Hopefully it's not three.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:17Jack Selby?

  But that's it. Anyways, we're gonna be wrapping up the podcast soon anyways. I do wanna say thank you so much for the hospitality.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  Well, hopefully you don't have.

• 1:46:25Graham Stephan?

  You take your call. I'll put the answer, I'll put the answer on you. You, you do the call, I'll finish it off. Thank you so much. You guys, by the way, are the best hosts.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  No, no problem.

• 1:46:32Graham Stephan?

  Seriously, it's incredible. You had this whole like guest unit, but everything is in there. You open the fridge, there's water in there, there's drinks, snacks everywhere, coffee. The bathroom, I was blown away. You're inspiration for Macy and I, because you go in the bathroom, there's like toothpaste, there is flossers, everything you need, like aspirin, like.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I mean, I can't, I don't take any, um, like, that's not me, that's, that's my, my better half. So, uh, yeah, she does, she's really, really good at making people feel at home. Because she's like, I don't know what people need and whatever, so here's, here's everything. And if you have any requests, if you have, if you want something for breakfast or you want, you know, make a grocery run, she'll go and get it.

• 1:47:15Graham Stephan?

  It's incredible. So thank you so much for that.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  Anytime.

• 1:47:18Graham Stephan?

  Thank you for watching. We'll link to all your info down below in the description.

• 1:47:22Speaker 02

  And the email, the new email.

• 1:47:23Graham Stephan?

  Oh, yes. And the new email, you never know.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:27Graham Stephan?

  I think this might be a good idea.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:47:29Graham Stephan?

  So, reach out. Thank you again for watching, and until next time.

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