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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 211, sitting here with Echo Charles, and we have got some questions from the field. We have responses, answers, recommendations, at a minimum, some courses of action you can take to proceed forward and win in life. Let's get into it.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Courses of action, that's good.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  At least find yourself out of the maze that life can become sometimes. See what I'm saying?

• 0:24Jocko Willink?

  Life can be tricky.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Maybe even a direction.

• 0:27Jocko Willink?

  We like it.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  You've got four possible solutions. Choose a good one, an effective one, but you're already, see what I'm saying, ahead of the game.

• 0:33Jocko Willink?

  Yep.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  That's what I...

• 0:34Jocko Willink?

  Very good. Thank you. Thank you for adding that.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  I just felt that it would be helpful.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  First question.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Hi, Jocko. I have a lighthearted question for you. I want to ask if you guys would ever compete professionally in jiu-jitsu or fighting? I was recently at a hockey game, and as I used to play hockey, I realized how bad I missed playing. I wondered if you felt that way about fighting, although I know you do jiu-jitsu all the time. Would you ever fight someone in the octagon at your current state in the level?

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Thanks for your time.

• 1:12Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, man. Well, I guess, I guess, I don't know. The main, the main thing here is time, because if you're gonna go get into, uh, compete in jiu-jitsu, and I wouldn't compete MMA, because MMA is, is, the MMA has evolved to a point where like, guys are just freaking so good. Which is weird, because in the early UFC's, you know, we could watch those, or I could watch those early UFC's, and know that, like, oh, I could hang with that guy. And, and actually, we did, you know, we trained with a lot of those guys back in the day. And so you'd know, like, oh, there's, like, we're, we're in the same zone, you know what

• 1:54Jocko Willink?

  I mean? Um, but nowadays, like, these guys are just ridiculously better. Um, most of them. So MMA is not, is kinda out of the question right now. But, uh, but then jiu-jitsu, you know, of course, I'm around jiu-jitsu all the time, and... The thing is, you have to train jujitsu a lot to be ready for competition.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16Jocko Willink?

  And competition is no joke. And so I I generally have a hard time stringing together enough training for a long enough period of time where I'd be like up to speed type thing. Um, so that's kind of why the other thing, but but also like I competed a lot when I was younger. And I basically stopped competing once the war started. So I started training jujitsu in like nineteen, well, the initial training was in the early like nineteen ninety two, nineteen ninety three. Started learned the basics of jujitsu, started actually training in like nineteen ninety, late nineteen ninety five.

• 3:00Jocko Willink?

  And then was competing as soon as there was a tournament, right?

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:05Jocko Willink?

  And then did a bunch, did competed a bunch in those years, ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand, two thousand and one, the war started. And I competed a few more times when I was in college, but then it was like, um, I just didn't want to get hurt and not be able to do my job, which when you compete, your chance of getting hurt go up. So that's another reason. Um, and you know, I just, I just get, I I just enjoy, uh, training a lot and I get the gratification. Uh, filled from training jujitsu and train with a bunch of great guys and everyone's cool training partners, you know, everyone's good.

• 3:47Jocko Willink?

  These, you know, I train with like guys that are really, really good, guys that are world, like actual world class guys. Um, and I get to train with them and everyone's cool, you know, and no one's, no one's trying to hurt each other. There's no ego, like it's just, it's just fun, it's good. And jujitsu is so fun anyways, so that's probably what I'll stick to.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, makes sense. Do you, uh, I've always felt.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  After about like, let's say forty years old. Actually, it was like, once you kind of get into like a career that's steady and like, you start a family and you know, it's the competition like feeling like, oh, I want to compete in this and that, like for real and commit to a competition seems to shuffle down the priority list pretty quick. That's how it happened for me.

• 4:37Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, well, you, you know, your, your family becomes a priority more than like some weather, whatever, whatever the competitive thing you might do. Yeah, that can happen for sure.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, I feel like that has happened because I'll feel that a lot of the times. Like when I, when I watch like freaking Coach Rana and UFC freaking BJ Jam like,

• 4:54Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  I could, I would do a super fight against somebody, you know, like somebody, you know, about my age and weight or whatever.

• 5:01Jocko Willink?

  Is that a challenge?

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Literally the moment I stopped getting inspired by the TV that I'm watching. I'm like, bro, I'm so glad I don't have to mentally prepare because really it's mentally. And yeah, if, if you have, which is going to be harder for you, but if you have the schedule that you can train and stuff, um, okay, but then there's the mental pull to it, you know? Like, I don't know. When I was competing, I competed for six years, just like straight competing, competing, competing. It was all like, that's all I would really think about was like the competition coming up. And I'm not even saying like stress about it. I'm just saying, but you just think about it all the time. You know, I like kind of a lot of the decisions you make, like you can't go drink and do all this stuff or whatever.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  It's like, that's kind of it mentally, you exist kind of there a little bit, you know, a lot or a lot more. So I don't, I am not in the mood for that part of it at all.

• 5:55Jocko Willink?

  You know what's kind of cool is, um, I was talking to Coach Rana and she was like, the horrible feeling of why did I sign up for this? What am I doing here? Why did I volunteer for this? I don't really need to do this. I could say I sprained my ankle walking over here and not have to do this. Like all those things. And she's like, this is the only way I can get that feeling. Like the only way you can get that, like, I've got to overcome all these little mental things. She's like, the only way I can get it is. To compete. Yeah. That's the only, cause you know, we go out, you know, it's like, just like I was just saying, like, I'll go out and train when we get, I'm gonna train in about an hour.

• 6:41Jocko Willink?

  I'm gonna train with, you know, we get out there, we're gonna, you know, what is it slap, bump and roll, right? And I'm gonna do that with a bunch of people. I'll get tapped, they'll tap some people, it won't really matter. Have some draws, but like, it's no one's watching, no one cares, no egos are hurt, my ego doesn't care, their ego doesn't care. It's all good. Uh, but then when you take that out onto the stage, you know, and you're competing. And then all of a sudden it's win or lose, all these people are watching you, it's accepting defeat, it's being dominated, it's being beaten. But despite all your investment and all your training, you've lost. And, and losing in, in grappling or in fighting of any kind is very, very tribal and primal and personal. Because it's like, hey, if you beat me in basketball.

• 7:27Jocko Willink?

  Guess what? If you beat me in basketball, I will still like push you and let's fight. You know what I mean? There's still that. There's still that. If you beat me in hockey, I'll be like, okay, cool, let's fight. If you beat me in a sprinting race, guess what, guess what I say? You go, hey, you're slow, Jocko, you suck. And you know what I say? I'll beat your ass, right? And we fight. That's what we're doing. But when you just fought.

• 7:48Jocko Willink?

  And you lost the fight, there's nothing else to say. And even, even, you don't even see like, occasionally you see it, occasionally you'll see like a grappling scenario. Where the grappling outcome of, of a grappling match will escalate into a fight. But you don't see it very often because everybody kinda knows. Like if I, if I just beat you in a grappling match, I would beat you in an MMA match. A lot of times, right? Everyone kind of accepts that.

• 8:16Jocko Willink?

  But so, so to get that feeling of like, bro, why did I even, what, what, what decisions have I made in my life right now? And can I undo them to get out of this scenario that I'm going into? And, you know, it's kinda funny, um, to think about because anytime you're gonna go do something.

• 8:37Jocko Willink?

  If it brings you to the point where you're like, damn, I wish I would have made a bunch of different decisions. So I didn't have to be here right now, but that's what Rano was chasing. Yeah. She's like that, that feeling of like this, I, I absolutely do not want to do this right now. And I'm gonna do it. She likes that. Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, you know, she hates it. Right, right. She hates it, but she loves it. She's like, she, she says, oh, she told me the 19 things that she hated about it. And then she goes, that's why I have to do it. Right. To get that feeling. It's all packaged up in this like. It's, you know, it's just like anything, I guess, like working out, like the only way to get that feeling you have after a workout is to do the workout. You know, that workout's gonna suck. Yeah. And he's having you to do something hard. You're like, oh, this is gonna suck. I wish I didn't have to do it.

• 9:21Jocko Willink?

  But the only way to get that good feeling is like. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen,

• 9:35Jocko Willink?

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• 10:07Jocko Willink?

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