Israel vs. Iran, NYC Goes Full Socialist & How the Fed Is Destroying the Middle Class | The Tom Bilyeu Show LIVE

In this special live episode, Tom dives headfirst into the chaos of current world events, unpacking everything from the explosive end of the 12-day war between Israel and Iran to the dramatic political shifts in New York. Alongside lively audience questions and his co-host Drew, Tom tackles some of the most hotly debated issues of our time: socialism versus capitalism, the role of government in innovation, and the challenge of creating a thriving middle class. Get ready for candid, no-nonsense takes on economic policy, wage stagnation, and the future of work in an age of AI and automation. Tom doesn’t shy away from tough questions, whether he’s breaking down why high taxes might drive innovators away or explaining how debt and inflation impact everyday wages. Plus, he shares his philosophies on work ethic, responsibility, and building a life of purpose. If you’re looking for a dose of thought-provoking discussion, practical advice, and even a few rapid-fire tips on launching your own video game with the help of AI, you won’t want to miss this episode! SHOWNOTES 00:00 Crazy Times Discussing Politics 03:20 Innovation Gap in Norway 08:11 "Personal Responsibility Over Government Reliance" 12:21 "Abolish the Fed for Middle Class" 15:37 Entrepreneurial Sacrifices and Misunderstood Profits 20:03 Debate on Wages and Inflation 21:06 Maximizing Profits vs. Fair Wages 24:35 Incentives, AI, and Market Dynamics 28:17 "Seeking Extraordinary, Mars-bound Careers" 32:52 Key Game Development Insights 33:48 Objective Feedback from Unbiased Sources CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to ⁠https://www.vitalproteins.com⁠ https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Allio Capital: Macro investing for people who want to understand the big picture. Download their app in the App Store or at Google Play, or text my name “TOM” to 511511. iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACTGO when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at ⁠https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu⁠ https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at ⁠https://shopify.com/impact⁠ https://shopify.com/impact SKIMS: Shop SKIMS Mens at ⁠https://www.skims.com/impact⁠ https://www.skims.com/impact #skimspartner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:26Tom Bilyeu?

  But the 12 day war between Israel and Iran is over. Plus, New York is going full socialist. And as Drew and I discussed previously, you never go full socialist. We're going to be covering it all and more. But I can't wait to dive into it. Drew, it has been crazy town. Absolutely insane. We picked the best time ever, as my wife was telling me the other day, to start talking about politics and world affairs because, boy, there is just no shortage No doubt. of world affairs. Mason, I had seen earlier, it's ages ago now, but, uh, there was a very direct criticism of me. When you see things like that, unless you think that they're not in good faith, surface them.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Gotcha. So Reptoid first said, Tom, nobody's taking seriously about going full on owning the means of production. The most successful economies are blends of capitalism and socialism. The government doing stuff is not socialism.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  And then Brutus said, Tom, you're off.

• 2:25Tom Bilyeu?

  The government, depending on what you. Mean by the government doing things is quite literally the definition of socialism. So your comment is vague, so maybe you mean something slightly different.

• 2:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And what do you mean that nobody is taking seriously about going full on owning the means of production? Even communists, you're not actually owning the means of production. What it devolves into, remember, you've got to separate the rhetoric from what actually happens. What actually happens is people complain and they stamp down on that dissent. They force you to do what they want you to do. They are often too stupid. They, I mean, again, China is the model. Like, if you want to say, this is what we want, China is the only model that has functioned. But I will just remind everybody, the only way that China has made communism work is by opening the floodgates to capitalism. And that that is lost on people baffles me.

• 3:22Tom Bilyeu?

  China realized, oh, we're gonna do authoritarian capitalism, where we tell you exactly what to do, we let it burn hot, and then we clamp down on it when we think somebody gets uppity. If you would prefer that system, okay. But like, watch what's happening with the Chinese economy and how many people are getting wiped out by the housing bubble that the Chinese government.

• 3:45Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll have to look more at the data, but if they didn't actively create the problem, boy, oh, boy, did they breathe life into it. And so

• 3:56Tom Bilyeu?

  the US has problems. Those problems stem largely, not exclusively, largely from government involvement, not the other way around.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  So then Brutus came in and said, how is what Mandami wants any different from what they have in Norway or Finland? Please be specific.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  I pulled it up while we were talking, so I have it on chat right here. I just wanted, the population of Norway and Finland combined isn't even the population of LA.

• 4:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And for the most part, until their recent immigration woes, it was a whole bunch of homogenous white people as far as the eye could see. Talk to me again when you have a collision of cultures over there. It's gonna look very differently. Also, remember, one of my driving beliefs is that innovation is the thing. Innovation is the thing. What should governments be doing? Creating the soil in which their people can innovate? Period. Guess what Norway doesn't do? They don't innovate. So when you look at how much of the world's goods, technology, innovations come from two places. America?

• 5:13Tom Bilyeu?

  By far. By far. And China. And guess what China's known for doing? Copying American innovation. So it's not that they don't innovate. They do. And they will probably do more so over time as long as China leaves the floodgates open.

• 5:32Tom Bilyeu?

  But innovation is the game. That's at least the person you're talking to. I don't expect people to take that on. I expect everybody is gonna have their own take on how life ought to be. But I believe people ought to be optimizing for innovation. Innovation is a promise of a better tomorrow. It is the road that we have been on for 500,000 years, whatever. So, yeah. Anybody who says that they want to stop innovation, you are no friend of mine.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  To Brutus' point, I kinda pulled it up there. The difference between quote unquote "true socialism" and what Norway and Finland is doing is that they encourage private property. They encourage a market economy where classic socialism wouldn't. State ownership is selective and strategic versus classic socialism. We own everything and we get divvied out. Innovation and capitalism is encouraged. Redistribution is high on both. And democracy, liberal democracy, where classical socialism is often absent or limited. So just a cheat sheet of the comparison to how Norway-Finland is a hybrid of classic Ukraine-China socialism and what we are now.

• 6:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And look at what has happened to their innovation. Cratered.

• 6:42Tom Bilyeu?

  cratered so you either think that they're too dumb to innovate that they're they just don't have enough people to innovate or that the system they have does not set them up to innovate

• 7:00Tom Bilyeu?

  so all three are bad from where I'm sitting

• 7:03Speaker 02

  a lot of people don't understand the actual mechanisms of it so

• 7:06Tom Bilyeu?

  of what socialism

• 7:07Speaker 02

  socialism so let's let's play the thought exercise

• 7:10Tom Bilyeu?

  yep

• 7:10Speaker 02

  tomorrow we flip um New York into a socialist

• 7:15Tom Bilyeu?

  before we go down that path there is a fascinating question from out tuition they say Tom you must understand there is a season for everything it is wise to know the season you're entering into and adapt accordingly you want the endless summer and I'm sorry that's not possible

• 7:33Tom Bilyeu?

  okay thi- this is very helpful because it helps me realize the um the depths of the depravity that I'm up against and

• 7:46Tom Bilyeu?

  wow um you're right you are objectively right in terms of I'm probably screaming into the wind and that you just cannot stop history from playing out that humans have a nature and that nature is going to um loop

• 8:07Tom Bilyeu?

  god it's so tempting to be cynical okay um not being cynical so out tuition I feel you um you look at the world you see that it's broken you realize something needs to be changed I think we then diverge there um what I hope that people like you feel is that I'm I am not trying to optimize for what you're calling an endless summer uh because to me this isn't party mode this isn't the where we let our hair down this is the exact opposite I'm fucking puritan I'm all work ethic all the time I am spend your life building something that adds value to humanity

• 8:46Tom Bilyeu?

  I am carry your burden I am understand that you've got one life to live and you've got a shot to build something that will lighten the load of other people and I think people ought

• 9:02Tom Bilyeu?

  To do that, they ought to optimize to be strong. They ought not seek handouts. They ought to live their life like no one is coming to save them. And they ought to be doing things that make the world a better place. Everybody ought to feel the full weight and responsibility of their lives. And people ought to understand if there is a person you don't want to get left behind, you ought to take responsibility for that person. So do it at the level of family, do it at the level of community. Do not do it at the level of government because governments tend towards bloat and tyranny.

• 9:43Tom Bilyeu?

  And if you let that run out of control, you will contribute to the group of people who simply accept that humans will devour themselves and the next civilization will rise out of the ashes. I reject that wholeheartedly. Now, I'm a product of my time. I was born in the good time. I was born in the age where from the age of 12, I had to have a summer job. That did something to me. I get it.

• 10:11Tom Bilyeu?

  But I believe that I'm actually in touch with the physics of how to make things good. Not to play all summer, but to prepare for winter. That's my mode.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people asking about what about when AI and robotics and automation come fully online? People have talked about things like UBI and stuff like that to be able to help people during that time. Is there any other way other than socialism to deal with when basically every job is automated away? Or do you think that innovation will lead to more jobs that we just can't see or?

• 10:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, when you look back in history, all you see is a never ending string of, oh, my God, this technology is going to destroy everything. And it lamplighters actually went out of business when electricity came along. So fair, fair play, like there are going to be people who are like, damn, this thing that like, yeah, that, that I like, imagine you're a candle maker and your family's been making candles for a hundred 150 years and then electricity comes along and it's just gone. All that heritage overnight, it doesn't matter anymore. That's brutal, but that's the reality. That's we're all going to live through that kind of disruption. No matter what age we live in, there are precious few people that are born right at the right moment. Where life just seems pretty stable from the time that you're born until the time you die.

• 11:33Tom Bilyeu?

  That's not what most people get. Most people get some sort of technological innovation could be the industrial revolution, but they get some kind of technological innovation that shakes everything up and changes the paradigm. And so what your parents told you to do does not end up being the thing. And so if that happens to catch you when you're like 38, oh God, like that's brutal. Still got a lot of working years ahead of you. And at the same time, all the years you spent developing your skills, just poof overnight, they're gone. Kids, it's anxiety provoking, but you're young, you're going to be able to figure out a path. You'll be able to adapt. Old people, you're probably moving towards retirement anyway, so you'll be fine ish. But the people that get bowled over are the ones that have 10 plus years in their career already.

• 12:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, and they've still got 15 or so years ahead of them before they're going to be able to tap out. Those are the people that I really feel for, but it just is what it is. You're going to have to live through that. Life is going to challenge all of us. Illness, loss, tragedy, war, change. The only constant is change. So there's just no way around that. So instead of, and I believe this, this is from your side, Drew. Pray not for a lighter load. Pray instead for stronger shoulders. Like that's the way to move through life. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

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• 15:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  We also have two super chats.

• 15:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  In person, $50 and $20.

• 15:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, super chat.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Hey, that's a good super chat. We gotta applause that. Thank you.

• 15:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go. Hit it, Eric.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  And so from Southeastern Venom, "For financials, I believe he is trying to bring it back to a place where the working class people make the lion's share of the pie and the rich get the rest. Down with trickle-down economics and bring back step-up economics."

• 15:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so anybody that is trying to find the solution to the middle class has my absolute support. And as long as we understand that doing top-down regulations from the government is not going to give you a thriving middle class, then we at least have a reasonable starting point. So the question becomes, what do you have to do if you want a thriving middle class? Now, I'll give the very abbreviated version because you guys have heard it so many times. If people have follow-up questions, I'm happy to answer it. You must abolish the Fed, get rid of printing money, period, end of story. Otherwise, the middle class is merely a point on the six-phase cycle of debt. Okay? And if you're perfectly happy with that lasting for, uh, we're gonna have a middle class for 50 years and then it goes away, okay,

• 16:28Tom Bilyeu?

  then keep doing what we're doing because that's how it works now. This is so easy to map out. Uh, the cycles are repeating. So you'll have a stretch of middle class and then it goes away because of the nature of inflation. So you have to get rid of the Fed, you have to kill inflation. Uh, that will, with precious few other changes, allow you to build a thriving middle class. Just basically stop stealing their money. The reason that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is that when you print money, you socialize losses across everybody and you only give to asset holders. And you disproportionately give to connected asset holders.

• 17:09Tom Bilyeu?

  So the system really does make the rich richer and the poor poorer. They're not misidentifying that. That is true. Uh, but when you go protest on Wall Street, you're in the wrong place. You're just mad at people who go, what, why are you mad at me? This is the game and I'm just playing it well. So now you're pissed because you don't like the no roughing the passer rule in football? Like what the fuck? It is a rule and so I'm going to play the game knowing that's the rule. Stop being mad. So I get if you're mad about deflated balls and that kind of stuff does happen. But like, bro, get mad at the right people, please. And the right people are the, the structure of the banking system and the political system is such that they rob from everybody and only give to people that hold assets.

• 17:53Tom Bilyeu?

  It is that simple and people want to shuck and jive and hide from that reality. It's that simple. If you don't do that, you will always have a temporary middle class that is born of catastrophe. Because we have to go through bloodshed to reset all of this. It's born of catastrophe. You get 50 years of it and then we're right back to where we are now. And it doesn't have to be this way.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Uh, okay. Let's start at the policy level because I think socialism versus capitalism. It's an emotional discussion and I want to kind of ground us in something a bit more tangible.

• 18:24Tom Bilyeu?

  I love that about you, Drew.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  So, you know, I try to bring it back.

• 18:27Tom Bilyeu?

  I want you to be the sung hero. Don't be the unsung hero of this duo. You're amazing.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  So I have to start singing?

• 18:34Tom Bilyeu?

  No, we're going to sing for you. Let's go.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  I'm here all week, guys.

• 18:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Nice.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Um, let's start with tax the rich, right? Um, somebody just said, Tom, of course, Tom can say this. He gets the biggest tax cut. Let's, I know, I know, I know, but socialism, let's start at the very beginning. So instead of socialism, instead of capitalism, let's start at the very beginning. I'm starting at the origin, okay?

• 18:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Um.

• 18:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Do people understand that to get a tax break, I have to have created something of such value? That it generates a profit or that I have to have invested so wisely? Uh, that I'm making a profit? Guys, I still have to make the fucking profit.

• 19:12Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, where were you guys at 2 a.m. on a Friday night when everybody else was at the fucking club and I was under the machine with bloody knuckles? Where were you when there was almost a war between the Bloods and the Crips on the production line and I had to make sure that that shit doesn't pop off? Where were you when I had to drive somebody to the most dangerous neighborhood in America? Huh? I was all alone, Drew. So, uh...

• 19:35Speaker 02

  I still should take half your money.

• 19:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Listen.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Like...

• 19:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Listen.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Stop being selfish.

• 19:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  But no, okay.

• 19:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Am I technology, technicolor Tony? Cause I feel extremely restrained right now. He thinks I'm too emotional. Let's disagree.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Let's just start...

• 19:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's do it.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Tax the rich.

• 19:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Let's just... You law... You lose the election, you lose the battle. Mamdani runs for president, he gets his approved. We're taxing the rich now. The rich of the effective tax rate is now 60%, 70% on the highest income earners.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Give me the day one, day two, day three, year one, year two of what actually happens when some of these policies actually get enacted. Cause they sound good on the headline level. People want it. If we just tax the rich, everything will be fine. But what actually happens when the... Those tax rates are incompatible with what society has deemed to be appropriate?

• 20:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. I'm gonna give you really short answers as a way to practice and then you push...

• 20:33Speaker 02

  I'll keep poking.

• 20:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, okay. Uh, so ask me the individual question. What happens when you tax the rich?

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Tax the rich.

• 20:39Tom Bilyeu?

  They leave.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Over tomorrow, you get 80%.

• 20:41Tom Bilyeu?

  They leave.

• 20:42Speaker 02

  They leave the country. They leave the country.

• 20:44Tom Bilyeu?

  The state, wherever they have to leave.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Okay. Tax revenues drop.

• 20:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  So what's the second order consequence of the money that we were taking now leaving?

• 20:52Tom Bilyeu?

  They start printing money.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  And then that leave?

• 20:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, well, technically, when enough rich people leave, they do capital controls. And so they literally stop you from leaving the country.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  So like you can move out, but your money can't leave or there's...

• 21:05Tom Bilyeu?

  You may not even be able to leave. But yes, sure, you go, but we keep your money.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Copy.

• 21:10Tom Bilyeu?

  So they just confiscated that person's wealth. And remember, let's think of Cyprus, because everybody thinks they're gonna create a system that just takes money from the billionaires and they... They really can't see that's not how it plays out. You can tax the billionaires to 100%. You just take everything. Okay? I need people to hear this. You can take everything from the billionaires. It doesn't make a dent in a 36 trillion and climbing deficit.

• 21:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so you know that's not gonna work.

• 21:46Tom Bilyeu?

  So if we know that we can tax them at 100% and it's not gonna work, then guess who else gets taxed? They get taxed. And guess how they try to make up the shortfall? They print money. Printing money is a tax. So you end up just taxing everybody to death.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  And then for the Cyprus example, I'm finished playing that out.

• 22:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, sorry. So in Cyprus, because they got themselves in over their skis from a debt perspective, they had to confiscate wealth. So it was like 46.7% of every dollar over 100,000 in somebody's bank account was taken overnight. No warning, just taken. And imagine that you saved up 30 years to have that money and they took half of it. And that was gonna be the money that you put your kids through college, or that you retired with, or whatever. They just took it.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Copy. Brutus said, Drew, please chat GPT why Tom's argument is disingenuous. It played out in France and in Norway, Brutus.

• 22:42Tom Bilyeu?

  What played out?

• 22:44Speaker 02

  They increased the tax on the rich and those people flee, like the money left.

• 22:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Brutus, my beloved, who is, you, I really think you act in good faith. So it stings that you think I'm being disingenuous. We disagree, fair enough. Remember, and we were just talking about this, to understand the way that I think you have to see that innovation to me is the thing. There is a reason that America is far more, far more prosperous than France. And the reason that we are far more prosperous than France is because we innovate. We create the environment in which people can innovate. So, yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Okay, so Pookie just said, bringing wages up isn't going to do anything, isn't the root of the problem. I disagree, Pookie, because Johnny Harris did a deep dive on the 50s, the 70s, the 90s, and the 2025. That sounds terrible. And how what happened to the economy, what happened to income inequality and things like that. One thing that is for sure, after the 70s, wages stopped keeping up with inflation, where profits kind of just became distorted. So I wanted to ask you this time, where do wages come from and how are wages set?

• 23:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so ultimately, they are set by whether or not you as a worker bring enough value that you can create fear of loss in the person that you work for. Everybody is paid in direct proportion to the difficulty of the problems they solve. That's a direct quote from Elon Musk, and I think that that is exceedingly true. If you want to make more money, you need to become more valuable. A company is going to pay you as little as they can get away with paying you, period. That is their job. They are trying to stay in business. They are trying to make sure that they turn a profit. If they're a public company, they're trying to, they have a fiduciary legal responsibility to maximize the value for shareholders. So they're going to try to get you as cheaply as possible.

• 24:41Tom Bilyeu?

  It is not their job to go, how much can I afford to pay you? It is their job to act in the best interest, long-term interest of the company, which means the company retains as much profit as humanly possible. Okay. So, and ability to raise, which is one of the reasons that people will pay back shareholders is it keeps the share value high. So you, if you want to make more money, that's what you need to do. This all gets complicated in terms of wages not keeping up with inflation because of money printing and the setup of the actual financial system. That everyone is living in an era where you are forced to gamble in the stock market

• 25:24Tom Bilyeu?

  to keep up with inflation. As soon as people go, well, wait a second, I know what I can do. I can group up with other people. I, as an individual, I'm just too small in the organization. I'm never going to be able to get what I'm worth. They can replace me too easily. But if all of us group up and we go in and we fight as a union, then we're able to get paid. And unions cause massive stagnation because now they can negotiate so powerfully that you go, you don't lose a couple of employees, you lose all of your employees, or you have a strike, and now your company isn't able to move forward. And I'm sure the workers think this is brilliant, but the problem is that you grind that company, you slow that company down. Many companies can sort of drag it, but it becomes like barnacles.

• 26:09Tom Bilyeu?

  And the unions just try to extract as much money for as little work as possible. And so now you get into this really combative relationship between the workers and the...

• 26:20Tom Bilyeu?

  The people that own the company. Where I think we want to get to is you want corporations to use incentives like equity incentives or profit sharing incentives with the employees as a way to attract the best talent. Don't believe me, look at what Mark Zuckerberg is doing to get people to move from OpenAI to what he's doing at Meta from an AI perspective. He's paying a hundred million dollar signing bonus, signing bonus. So, uh, yeah, you solve better problems. That's the real answer. Don't have a system that steals from everybody and only advantages the wealthy. That's what's creating your problem. And then don't think that the solution is somebody fighting on your behalf. You need to get so good, you can fight on your own behalf, that you actually are valuable to the company.

• 27:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Because in an age of AI, when you've got a bunch of people that create problems, guess who you replace with AI? The people that are creating the fucking problems. Like, people have no sense of self-preservation in this moment, and it seems crazy.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  A few people were talking about raising the minimum wage, and one person in particular said, um, the wage, the hourly wage at McDonald's is $20, but then a meal for two at McDonald's is $40, and so now, uh, the wages can't even cover the cheapest food. What are your thoughts on raising minimum wage?

• 27:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Debt and inflation is the problem. Debt and inflation is the problem. So, the issue that you're facing is, it's real, it's there, wages aren't keeping up,

• 27:49Tom Bilyeu?

  people are having a hard time making ends meet, but here's why changing the minimum wage does nothing. We've been changing the minimum wage forever, and what ends up happening is, you're giving the companies the incentive to replace those workers because you're making them so expensive. Either with, uh, people with more experience that are then only able to get an entry-level job, or you're creating a situation where now with AI, you're just trying to outsource as much of that to AI as humanly possible. And there, there's always going to be these competing interests, and this is why I'm not a zero, uh, government guy. Somebody earlier said something about, um, antitrust, and that's where I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't, just like you don't want the...

• 28:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Unions to get too robust because they end up creating problems for the company. The company will end up creating problems for the consumer because they'll take over the whole marketplace. So internet, like I pray to sweet baby Jesus every single day that Starlink gets the bandwidth that we need here at Impact Theory because oh my God, I hate AT&T and Spectrum so much because their customer service is a joke. A joke. So yeah, you want competition. Competition is good. I'm glad that as an entrepreneur, I've had to compete with people. It keeps you sharp.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  There is something to that though of like, if we, if we track how wages were initially proposed, and this is me putting my Adam Smith on and like the wealth of nations, like the basis of economy. It was supposed to be wages are paid on a fraction of productivity. Our productivity is increasing. Company profit margins are increasing. Wages aren't keeping up. So I understand inflation. I understand mass, I understand money printing. I understand assets. I understand Jekyll Island. I understand the Fed is a bad guy and I want to kill all the bankers. I get that. But just looking at, just looking at that formula though, like wages should be a function of productivity and they should be a function of the company's profit. And there are some companies that are taking advantage of that. There are some companies that are having record profits that could, they, they can physically pay for it.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  They will still turn a profit. The CEOs will still be good and they'll still have a successful company. And they can pay each of their employees two extra dollars an hour.

• 30:05Tom Bilyeu?

  The second employees are the same, I will start paying them the same.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  I'm not saying pay them the same as everybody should equal. No, I'm saying they can be paid additionally.

• 30:13Tom Bilyeu?

  You said it is a function of productivity. Do you want me to try to measure productivity on the individual level? Do you know how hard that would be?

• 30:20Speaker 02

  It'll be by like department. So, okay.

• 30:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Then when every employee in that department is the same, I will pay them the same. Until then, this has got to be a hostile negotiation. It's got to be you want your thing and you come in and you threaten me with nuclear war because you're going to leave. And then I go fuck, I do or like I care about losing this person or I don't. Here's a really gross thing all of you are going to hate. And this is the hard part about being somebody on camera with employees. I know every person in this company, whether I have fear of loss or not. And if I don't have fear of loss, you have no negotiating power. If I have fear of loss, you have negotiating power. And the hard truth is, it comes down to what you can deliver for the company. But the bad news is, all of you motherfuckers are different. You're in different roles that can impact the company in different ways. You have different skillsets, different levels of intellect, different soft impact that like is hard to quantify.

• 31:09Tom Bilyeu?

  It just is, man. And I get that people want this to be cookie cutter, and it's not. And so the hard reality is, you gotta go into the world knowing that the only way to make all of this stuff work is to fight. And to get good, and I get it, everybody wants to go be Norway. I don't fucking wanna be Norway. So you can pitch me all day on having like an easy cushy country where shit is like taken care of. And motherfuckers chill in the spa or whatever the fuck they do. And build like four companies ever that have mattered. I'm not interested. I'm not interested. I wanna be a part of the most badass company on planet earth that innovates, that we're gonna send people to Mars, man. That's the game I wanna play. And I wanna build an army of people that are excited about that, that wanna get their kids excited about that.

• 31:54Tom Bilyeu?

  That understand that you can become truly extraordinary in life. And that we all get a shot to become really strong. We all get a shot to build and create and to love to the depths of our souls. To fall in love with our career, to not do something because it's a job, to not resent Mondays. To build a life of passion where we get good at something that matters to us and other people. To pursue an honorable goal with everything that we have. I am not saying stack money to the ceiling. I'm saying get so good at something that matters to you, that helps you and other people, that your life mattered. That's what I'm pitching. And I'm saying, those people aren't doing it.

• 32:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Their life might be easier, but I'm telling you right now, from my frame of reference, they are not living life to the fullest. To me, this is about seeing how far you can push your individual talents. Because everybody can get better. It's what I call the only belief that matters. The only belief that matters is that if I put time and energy into getting better at something, I will actually get better. Find those things you wanna get better at. It, progress is a foundational pillar to human happiness. If you are not making progress towards a goal that matters to you, you will feel a profound sense of dis-ease. That doesn't mean work around the clock. I'm not pitching that. But it means commit yourself to love, commit yourself to family and commit yourself to building something that matters to you,

• 33:22Tom Bilyeu?

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• 34:38Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, let's dive right back in.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  From Super Blue for $20, if the best innovators are the rich, if you lock their money to their country to put them back in the same boat as the rest of us, wouldn't they be able to, wouldn't they work to innovate on ways to save us all instead of running away?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Another rant coming.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  You gotta set the butt. Don't set the butt for that.

• 35:01Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, I'll spare us all a rant, but I'll just say anytime you're doing something from the top down, humans don't like it. So there's a great quote, I forget who said it the first time, but if you're the one that has to forcibly stop people from leaving, you're the bad guy. People should want to be there.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Cool. Uh, we also-

• 35:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. You guys are gonna blow past this unless you're about to go to Inebriated Fish. I'm not here for any of it.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:30Tom Bilyeu?

  This is their 20 euro super chat. "I'm from Finland and I'm telling you, the system doesn't work. It beats innovation, drive an entrepreneurship out of people." Hold on, scroll off. "Pretty much, no one has real wealth. Those who have money or talent, simply leave, soon including me." Inebriated Fish. You're amazing, thank you.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  This is hilarious.

• 35:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Thank you.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Right from the source. Uh, and then Bean Dip Nip Slip.

• 35:57Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 35:58Speaker 02

  I love that name.

• 35:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Bean Dip Nip Slip?

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's username of the day. You won. Yeah, super chat.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Uh, this is off topic, but as someone with zero experience, can you give me five to 10 tips on creating a video game from scratch and how to learn to use AI to help me? What do I need to learn and where should I start?

• 36:17Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm being set up. This is the person asking the teacher on the thing they know they'll derail on forever. Um, okay, I love this so much and thank you for asking. I'll try to keep this reasonable. Uh, okay, so five to 10 tips on creating a video game from scratch. The most important thing to understand Bean Dip is that you wanna go low fidelity in the beginning. This is the catastrophic mistake that I made and it cost me millions of dollars. Please don't repeat it. You wanna make things ugly, simple, very lightweight, uh, that you can iterate very fast. Game development is all about iteration. So that is tip number one. Uh, tip number two is you either need somebody on your team that's working for free, that knows how to code, and I would very much

• 36:59Tom Bilyeu?

  encourage, if you're going mobile, Unity, if you're going desktop or console, um, do Unreal Engine. Um, so that's tips two and three. The reason that you need somebody that can code, or you have to learn it yourself, is to iterate very quickly. Uh, you're gonna iterate a lot and you're probably gonna iterate for years. And so making sure that you've got somebody sitting right next to you that can do that very quickly is gonna be incredibly important. Using a physics engine that somebody else has built is gonna- Just shave ungodly amounts of time and energy off. That absolutely, absolutely critical. Scope is important. If this is your first game, do something ridiculously small. So that you can see what it takes to make something feel polished.

• 37:42Tom Bilyeu?

  You are going to be startled by how much of game development is the way that something feels. Like when you press the button, what sound do you hear? That is going to be one of the single most important parts of this journey. And if you're trying to build some massive game. Who, it's going to be brutal. You'll just have too many things to polish. So on your first game, start small. Make people, make sure that people want to play your game. So get feedback early and often. Get people in there, play, play, play. Find people that don't know you or care about you because you don't want to get feedback from people like, oh my God, this is amazing. Because they know how hard you've worked. You want that cold, disinterested 12 year old who just doesn't care about you in the slightest.

• 38:24Tom Bilyeu?

  And you want to see when and where they lose interest, why they lose interest, what confuses them, et cetera, et cetera. I think that was four, maybe five things. We'll stop there. That'll get you started for sure. And boy, would that have saved me a lot of money. And then, sorry, because you did ask about AI specifically. Use AI to create all of your assets. The most expensive part of a video game by a country mile is art assets. And AI can make you assets that are about 80% the quality of a normal asset. That you would pay like full money for. And it, it used to take us about three months and 10 ish people, not working full time, but 10 people would touch it. To go from, we need a concept of a character to modeling the character.

• 39:09Tom Bilyeu?

  To doing topology on the character, to rigging the character body and face. To animating the character, putting them inside the game. We can now do it in a day. Now, like I said, it's 80% of the quality. But it is, it is unbelievable. And the amount of money that that would have saved me is in the millions of dollars. So yeah, you're in a good time to be starting.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  How many years in with Kaisin are you in?

• 39:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Almost three and a half.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Wow. And that's pre, pre-alpha?

• 39:38Tom Bilyeu?

  It's pre, pre-alpha, but I think we'll go from pre-alpha to beta in about a year. So, uh, and then we'll go from beta to like, this is real game another year. So we're probably only two years from like, alright, this is, this is the game.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Five and a half.

• 39:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Just crazy. But we're now, the game is now playable. It's ugly and we have stand-in assets, but, uh, I played it for 14 hours straight. And was like, fuck, this is pretty fun. So, come a long way.

• 40:06Tom Bilyeu?

  And I didn't know the scope lesson. So it is huge in scope.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  Copy that. Um, okay, back to socialism, um, and everybody being-

• 40:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Super blue, that's very true.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Um, I think, I think we kind of landed a plane, cause to me, it seems like the wages, the wages is the thing. Now, I understand abolishing the Fed and money printing and rebuilding the system will be ideal. But for the little guy from Jersey who's sitting in his, uh, two-bedroom apartment, trying to figure out how to take care of his kid, I can't like abolish the Fed, like that's not my fight right now. I have more like important things to worry about.

• 40:42Tom Bilyeu?

  You don't have more important things. You have easier, more accessible things, more likely things.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Things I can do that can change my life more immediately. That can improve, improve my way of, of living immediately.

• 40:54Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll stop.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Cause that's where I'm trying to go. Cause I think a lot of times people jump to socialism, cause they look around in their situation, they say, I don't have anything else to go. And I joked about this a couple of weeks ago, about like the exhaust of capitalism, like, yes, when you do capitalism right, you can go to the moon, but there's some people who can't, they can't figure it out and they become the back end of the car. The engine can go so far, you could do 200 miles, but you don't think about the carbon monoxide you're leaving in your trail. There are those people that they don't want to work 40 hours, they don't want to be up at 2 a.m.

• 41:19Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't give a fuck.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:21Tom Bilyeu?

  But, but really, uh, imagine we're in the cave. And there's one guy in the cave who's like, "Bro, I don't want to get up and try to like spear another mastodon. This sucks, this is boring, like come on, man. I want to just chill and like, can we kick back?" No, you're up against physics. Money does not grow on trees. Every time you print a dollar. So every time you ask the government to give you something free, you are essentially printing a dollar. It's not one for one, but it's fucking close enough. You're saying, I would like to steal from everybody, mostly myself, and give it to only the wealthy, and then wonder why my kids are underwater.

• 42:04Tom Bilyeu?

  It is akin to, you know, Drew, every time I try to grate these potatoes to make dinner, I just find my hand fatigues. So I realized I needed to cut it off.

• 42:20Tom Bilyeu?

  What? How's that gonna help you? It's not going to help you. It's going to exacerbate the problem. And when people realize that that's not a goofy analogy, that's literal. That you, you think you're solving the problem. Cause you, you recognize, oh, this thing isn't doing what it needs to do. And so I'm just gonna get rid of it. But now you can't hold the potato. What? So, uh, that's exactly what happens. Now, people just wanna manage the decline. They wanna do it slowly. And they're looking across the pond over at Finland. And they're saying, ooh, that looks nice. Not realizing people in Finland are like, what the fuck's going on? And by the way, you can't stay there. Because you will get beaten by the countries. Like, what, what are they gonna do?

• 43:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, NATO has just now said, we're gonna put 5% of our entire government budget towards military protection. That's 5% of dollars that aren't going somewhere. And so now you either gotta tax people more, or you gotta start cutting things. That, that is not going to be trivial. And it will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next five years. Because you're in an anarchic world, man. And people are coasting like there's never gonna be another winter. Crazy.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Crazy. Um, all right, chat. This is your thing before I change topics. I see a lot of capitalized letters. I see a lot of socialism takes, but I'm trying to stay away from emotion. Um, oh, matter of fact, Keith said something that was interesting.

• 43:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Brutus, nobody that can hear my voice has paid more in tax than I have. So, literally. I don't dodge tax. I don't even do clever tax strategies, though I do reserve the right in the future. I probably should have. Um, but I was totally oblivious to the financial system. And I was in California when I sold my company. So I paid all kind of tax.

• 44:14Speaker 02

  Um, Keith.

• 44:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Also, I pay employment tax. So I'm paying into Drew's, uh, social security and everybody else's. So.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Uh, Keith, Keith Stofferman's son said.

• 44:28Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that's exactly how it's pronounced.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  If you are more worried about socialism than MAGA's creeping police state fascism, I don't know what to say. I use it. I, I, I use this as an example. Hold on. Is that some people say the biggest threat to capitalism is socialism, but there is fascism creeping everything. Do you think that socialism is the biggest threat? Or there's some other threats you might not see? I'm talking about system versus system, not inside of capitalism.

• 44:50Tom Bilyeu?

  So are we asking, is the right more dangerous than the left? Or is the left more dangerous than the right? Cause he's talking about Trump.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Yes. I'm trying to take a step back and just say there are fascism, uh, due process was, uh, recently challenged in the Supreme Court. So there are certain things that do look fascism out there.

• 45:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  You know, and there is.

• 45:13Tom Bilyeu?

  And all of those should make people super paranoid.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Is there like a rank order that you think is more?

• 45:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Right now, I would say that you're way closer to socialism than you are to fascism. So I'm far more worried about that. Um, but yeah, you're in a populist moment. And so you're electing leaders that are going to rule in an authoritarian fashion because that's what you want. You want somebody who mirrors your emotion and goes and plays tough guy. That's what people voted for. Um, so.

• 45:44Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm very worried about both. And I think anybody that gives Trump a pass on his behaviors is probably not keeping their eyes open to what's really going on. Every time he talked about a third term, it was like fingernails on a chalkboard. That is dangerous. That is rhetoric that freaks me out. But do I think, given that that would require a constitutional amendment, that we're as close to that as we are, New York actually electing a socialist mayor? No. And given that I live in California and it feels very trading what sounds good, sorry, what worked for what sounds good, like I'm just seeing too many of the fruits that that

• 46:29Tom Bilyeu?

  tree bears, to not be more paranoid about that.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Okay, I want to bring up Friedberg's response.

• 46:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  Because after seeing all the campaign videos that Mamdani was doing, he had a really interesting tweet, a little bit cheat, tongue in cheek, but there's a larger thing about it. But he tweeted, "It is vitally important for America that Mamdani get elected mayor of NYC. He can help maximally and swiftly tax the rich, stand up government-run grocery stores, eliminate the police force, freeze rents, and make public transportation free. It's unlikely that taxing the rich will cause them to move to other cities, collapsing New York City tax revenue, or that city-run grocery stores will fail to increase the fresh vegetable consumption in the inner city, or that the elimination of the New York Police Department will cause a rise in crime and decline in the quality of life, or that freezing rents will drive landlords to dump properties, collapsing prices and

• 47:18Speaker 02

  property tax revenue, or that free public transportation will result in union-led kleptocracy. No way, I'm sure this time socialism will be different. If Americans don't want to learn the lessons of socialism's failures elsewhere, we should aim to learn them here as quickly as possible." So is there something to speedrunning socialism in New York City? Like, let's just, we keep fighting this, it keeps bubbling up in the chat, Gary Economics has his moment at the beginning of the year, now we're seeing this in New York City, should we just touch the stove so that way us as Americans can see, okay, yeah, it is hot? Maybe we should pull back a little bit.

• 47:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Definitely not. It's a terrible Idea, but we are gonna do it. So hey, if people are gonna run the experiment, at least we'll learn the lesson. But it is shocking to me how when people have a frame of reference, it is near impossible to pierce that frame of reference. People look at the atrocities of socialism and communism in the past and go, well, it's not real socialism, Drew. And I think that

• 48:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Jordan Peterson has the perfect take on this when he says, what people mean when they say that is that if only Yeah. If only I had run it, Drew, I could have done a top down government. All these other idiots, they're not able to do it, but I could do it. Uh, the world's just too complicated. It's just too complicated. This is why I really feel like a big part of the problem on the left and the right is people trust themselves too much. The only thing I know about myself is that I will cringe at the things that I'm saying now in five years. Because I'm just like, oh God, I'm constantly updating my thinking. I'm realizing, okay, that didn't quite work the way that I thought it was like, I gotta like push myself over into this. There are times I'll be in, uh, this happened yesterday and we were talking about it.

• 48:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Where I wrote a draft of my deep dive, was literally about to record it. And then was like, wait, and thought of a totally oblique angle with which to hit my own idea. And I was like, oh my God, if I had recorded that initial thought, oh, I would have really been mortified in about six months when it finally dawned on me. And so I was like, oh, thank God. So if that can happen to me in the middle of writing about a topic, it's just like you get locked into a frame of reference so fast and you're wrong so often. And so a big part of the reason that I've been able to navigate from success to success is that I'm so paranoid that I know I'm wrong about something. I just don't know what the part is that I'm wrong about.

• 49:42Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I'm constantly trying to surround myself by people like you, Mason, Eric, anybody that will be like, you're wrong for this reason. Or this is why I legitimately, I'm totally here for people like Brutus, let's just use Brutus. Brutus is almost always pushing back on me. Brutus is not here because he agrees with me. Brutus is here because he disagrees with virtually everything that I say.

• 50:05Tom Bilyeu?

  And the only thing that's ever bothered me is that he said I was being insincere. That I'm like, come on. So.

• 50:12Tom Bilyeu?

  The reason I want that is it will help me see the flaws in my own thinking. But people don't seem to want that. So anyway, if we have to touch this, if we have to, we are gonna do it. We are gonna run the experiment. It does not seem that we'll be able to back away from this, but we shouldn't do it. It's a dumb idea.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Kit Moon commented, "I'm curious about Tom's take on China taking away DeepSeek developers passport as a peek into what top-down socials look like at a full-scale in America." "What if we didn't let the top AI developers leave the country? Would they continue to perform at the speed and quality that they have been? Probably not even close."

• 50:44Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, do you just want to live in that world? Like, let's say that it works. Let's say that slave labor works and that you whip them hard enough and they actually make dope shit. We really want to go back to it? Strikes me as a terrible fucking idea. A terrible idea. And I'll give you the quote to back it up. Uh, this is a paraphrase, "But you trade your own humanity when you rule by force." No, thanks. Not my scene. I don't want to trade my humanity. That's shitty. Here's the funny thing about being an entrepreneur is that I get why employees are paranoid that they can be fired. That, that's, that is rough. Like, I've been there. Remember, I started my career. I was just an employee for years and years and years and years and years. And I knew I could be fired and that's a deeply unsettling feeling.

• 51:30Tom Bilyeu?

  But you guys can leave me. And that, like, now I've got attack vectors all over the place. And it's like, oh, damn. So I have the same anxieties that you guys have. Where now I'm like, I'm gonna have to spend a fortune trying to replace that person. And imagine it's somebody that's tied to revenue. Drew, I was thinking about you this morning and I was like, fuck, what would I do if you left? Because now, think about the community. They're gonna be, "I don't like this new person. They're not as good as Drew. Bring Drew back." They already do that to poor Mason. He's not as good as Eunice. And so it's like, yeah, it's vulnerable. When I decided that I was gonna like, put you on camera, I was like, whoa. I have fear of loss, Drew. So it's like, uh-oh, I've got a guy on camera. He's also good off-camera.

• 52:15Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm now in a tenuous situation. So, anyway, plays out like it plays out.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Mushroom Yoga said, "I'm fed up with the complaining and expectations of handouts. At 37, I've never relied on politicians. I live in my truck to invest in my business while attending college full-time. This is the most fulfilling time of my life."

• 52:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Shout out to you. I'm hitting them hearts. I'm hitting them hearts. Let's go.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 52:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go. I'm here for that.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  And I think honestly, that's what, this is the empathy coming in again. I think that's what we're actually missing is people who believe in socialism, you're not stupid, you're not done, like it's not, don't think we're dunking on you or anything like that. I just think that the, the main, the mental power is focused in the wrong avenues. And that the great thing about capitalism, from my perspective, my parents came from a third world country in Haiti, you, there is no economic mobility. It's if I find a hack to do something, the person next door is going to do that exact same thing. So my competitive advantage is eliminated. That's why everybody in Haiti is selling the same plantains that they got from the same field. Or on the flip side, people will then say, okay, this is the only person that is rising. So now let's take his stuff and then I'm back to square one.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Whereas here you have the ability, if you go into your little pocket, if you do what you want to do, you could be the most left leaning politician in YouTube, but like you can build whatever you want and you are able to move yourself from out of your situation. And I think we over, we don't emphasize that enough. And that is a blessing. That's something that millions of people in this world can't do. They just, the economic systems aren't there, the infrastructure isn't there. And I don't want us to throw that away with the bathwater. Yes, capitalism is, is tough. Yes, student loans are a bitch, but like there's still hope, there's still opportunity if you decide to do it and you're not mandated from the government. And that's the part that I think we take for granted.

• 54:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Preach. That speech is exactly why I have fear of loss. And then now, I mean that, that and you really have to teach me how to get a woman to have your baby on the first date. But, uh, boys and girls, also just as a PSA, if you have student debt or you have kids that have student debt, would you please lobby your congressman? That debt should be dischargeable via bankruptcy. The fact that we let that one slide past, that, that is a criminal act.

• 54:32Tom Bilyeu?

  By your government against you. I I mean that. That that that one is um tea party outrageous. So you we never should have let that happen. Now, I'm just as guilty as anybody else. Uh, I just didn't understand it at the time, but that that one's crazy. It means that they'll never be punished for giving terrible loans. And so going back to what would I like? You'll see this in tomorrow's tight 60. What would I like to see if somebody's going to confiscate wealth? What do I want to see them apply those dollars for? Like, what would I cheer for? Uh, give every child access to AI.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  I was yeah, that that's interesting. Like, how it would just be like, everybody gets a subscription? Or would it be?

• 55:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I mean, look, you go to AI. You go to OpenAI or whoever. And you're like, guess what? You're going to uh, give us a deal, whatever, whatever, whatever. We're going to make you an official government like person. Uh, but you get that deal done.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  But not through the schools. You're talking one to one, like.

• 55:35Tom Bilyeu?

  One to one in your house, in your house. From the time you are, I mean, start the clock when they're five, six. I mean, it's not, you're not waiting long. Uh, and you get them that engagement, dude. AI is is a blessing. Look, there's gonna data is gonna come out. I'm sure you're gonna have to do it in a certain way. Otherwise, like people dumbs them down in some way. But when I think about how far it's extended my abilities, how much faster I've been able to learn, how I'm not like stopped by things where I'd like, how would I even find that answer? Uh, oh my, it's so powerful.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Someone said, isn't that socialism?

• 56:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, anonymous. No, no, no, this is fair anonymous. I'm glad you're asking. So I'm not a no government guy. So if you think that any amount of taxation is socialism, sure, then I'm a light socialism guy. However, you want to think about it. This is not one where I want to get lost in semantics. I really strongly believe in building infrastructure, educating kids, making sure that your zip code doesn't determine your success. The reason I founded Impact Theory instead of riding off into the sunset is because, and you can go find videos of me saying this from like eight years ago. Right now, the number one predictor of your success in America is the zip code into which you're born into, not your IQ, the zip code you're born into.

• 56:59Tom Bilyeu?

  That's, for me, that's not okay. That's not okay. None of us should be okay with that. That's crazy. That means that just by luck of where you're born, the ideas that you encounter are so trapping that you can't, even with a high IQ, you can't escape your zip code? That's nuts. So, listen. I'm all for being taxed. This is why I've never tried to shuck and jive around taxes. I just want Big Bang for my buck. And we're not getting it. And so, um, I'm not sure why people aren't frustrated, or that more people aren't frustrated, because I'm sure a lot of you share my frustration.

• 57:40Tom Bilyeu?

  But I'm not sure why more people aren't frustrated with the outcomes that they get for their tax dollars. And I want to believe that if everybody understood the way that tax dollars work, that that's your money, and it's being allocated so inefficiently, that we would want those dollars to go to things that we really care about. And I hope that we can agree that educating our kids is one of the most important things in the world that we can be doing with our money. Even if you're just purely from a realist lens perspective, you're not doing it to be nice, you're not doing it because you want to see kids escape their circumstances. You're just doing it because you don't want China to own you in 20 years. You gotta have an educated population. The brain works in a certain way, and the young years, they matter so much. Oh my God.

• 58:23Tom Bilyeu?

  I am haunted by how much your childhood matters. Regions of the brain will or won't develop depending on how many words you hear by the age of five. It's really, really crazy. The way that you interact with problem solving is going to set you up for success or failures as you get older. The frame of reference, what you believe, whether people are trying to hold you back. Yeah, whether you're expecting a handout or looking for the intellectual gems that you can go get strong, all of these things are going to play out in massive ways in your life. So yeah, if that's communism, ah, suddenly I'm a communist. Great. I just want to make sure that we are wise with our tax dollars, that everybody in the country feels invested in making sure that we have a thriving middle class,

• 59:06Tom Bilyeu?

  that everybody is invested in making sure that we have kids that are getting educated and that nobody's trapped by where they're born. I don't think there's a way around being trapped by your level of discipline. I don't think there's a way around being trapped by your IQ. Those are just real. And so I'm not expecting equal outcomes in the slightest. But man, the zip code you're born into should not predict the rest of your life.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, Mondani did win the primary. He's officially the Democratic nominee for mayor. He's going against Eric Adams. Somebody has asked, is Andrew Cuomo going to run independent? He is not. Eric Adams is running independent. So.

• 59:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Even independents can't have more than one candidate?

• 59:44Speaker 02

  But I mean, if you didn't win your primary, that's your base. They're going to go to Mondani. You're now splitting the vote and that's.

• 59:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's one of those things, kind of like when Bernie decided to step back and not kind of dissent. A lot of times people play politics there. And I think this was Cuomo's like welcome back tour. So that would be a little bit like embarrassing to lose to a 23 or 30 year old rapper who worked for his mom. Did you see the Sydney Sweeney bathwater thing?

• 1:00:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. I think we even talked about it at one point.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Put that in the chat. We're going to relationships next.

• 1:00:14Tom Bilyeu?

  That one is, uh, it's funny. It's funny. So cool. Fine. Yes. Go for it. But boy, oh, boy. That's weird. What's happened, Drew? Do you even understand like what's happened? So.

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  Like bathwater?

• 1:00:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, given, given my generation, when I first heard about OnlyFans, I was confused. I was like, what do you mean? And they were like, well, you can like subscribe to these girls and they'll like flirt and they'll like even send you like pictures of themselves nude. And I was like, you, you know, you can get porn for free, right? I was so confused. And so I, uh, I'm starting to sort of wrap my head around they've had porn.

• 1:00:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Forever, but they want to feel like they know the person they're seeing naked.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  It's it's social porn.

• 1:01:04Tom Bilyeu?

  And so like a sort of and putting it together, but it's like, uh.

• 1:01:11Tom Bilyeu?

  There are certain things that if I find myself being drawn to, red lights go off. And I'm like, oh, I'm not going to let myself do that. So like when I was working 120 hours a week, I found myself for the first time wanting to stress eat. And I was like, oh, this is how people get addicted to food. I was like, it will make me feel better. It's crazy. But red light went off and so I didn't. I was like, I can't allow myself to do that. I've always known I would never get addicted to drugs because even if I like drugs, I would just say you can only do drugs, let's say twice a week. When you go to do the drug the third time, you're like, I violated the red light. We don't do that. Um, so what's happening here? Why are people not having red lights trip? When they find themselves doing that? Is it they're so young? They don't have the frame of reference?

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Okay, this is, I think the same question can be asked for escorts in general, and by no means am I the OnlyFans expert. I would feel a little weird you posed the question to me, but I'll answer it. It's one of those things of like, you can get a prostitute on the corner for a hundred bucks. But some people pay $5,000 to fly out an escort and do these things and they're dressed a certain way. So I think there's also a level of like specific preference that I think a lot of OnlyFans models are manipulating. Like there was a wave of like streamer girls who were like, all I do is game and I like video games and I'm gonna have naked. And that was like a big wave because they're hitting that incel community that doesn't feel worthy enough to talk to a regular girl. But she's into games and she's cute and she's pretty. That's what I like. And they kind of like idolize it in a really weird way.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  So I think there's there's a certain way to be specific with it where porn is like.

• 1:02:50Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the part where I'm lost.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Ain't trickin' if you got it, right?

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  I think there's also a extra.

• 1:02:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Wait, you're gonna let that go?

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  That's Lil Wayne, that's not me, that's Lil Wayne.

• 1:02:59Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a t-shirt.

• 1:03:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Impact Theory's new t-shirt, it ain't trickin' if you got it.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  If you got it, ain't trickin'.

• 1:03:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 1:03:08Tom Bilyeu?

  There it is. I'm here for it. I would like to wear the first one. It ain't trickin' if you got it.

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  But you can say the same thing about strip clubs. Strip clubs are like weird in that way of like.

• 1:03:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, if you're going a lot, but like I've been to a strip club with my wife, that's fun. I'm not gonna lie.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  I need more details on that.

• 1:03:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, you can feel yourself like walking that line.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  We're details on it.

• 1:03:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, this is fun. Yeah, so anyway, as a like rare one-off, that one I get, but.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Super Blue said, why do people go to sports games when it's free on TV?

• 1:03:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, I can actually answer that question. And if you can show me the parallel, I'm here for it because I really am trying to learn. I don't feel like I have the answer. Uh, the reason you go to sporting events is because there is a literal palpable energy in the crowd that you can feel that you will never get when you're at home. My sister is a season ticket holder to LAFC women's soccer.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 1:04:02Tom Bilyeu?

  And she like knows the people. So she's partly going because she's made friends with the people like around her.

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  Those games go up. I went to a LAFC game. They have like a mosh pit section.

• 1:04:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Really?

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Ticket holders like, yeah.

• 1:04:12Tom Bilyeu?

  So yeah, you know, the drill.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:14Tom Bilyeu?

  So there really is something about it. So if there really is like something about, uh, do you only fan, is it a community? Are you there like all together?

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Um, one of our members responded to that. They said, you are paying for exclusivity.

• 1:04:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Who responded?

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Uh, Kit Moon.

• 1:04:27Tom Bilyeu?

  I was gonna say, I didn't want to call her out.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  I didn't, I didn't want to call her out.

• 1:04:29Tom Bilyeu?

  We were both like.

• 1:04:32Tom Bilyeu?

  You talked about that in the early days. I didn't know if we were still, uh, yes. Okay. So Kit Moon literally is the expert. So let's read this whole comment. You are paying for the exclusivity of it. You are getting something special from a creator you are really invested in. Like, why would, why would you pay for a podcast Patreon or sub to Twitch for the emojis? You get something exclusive.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  It's social porn.

• 1:04:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:04:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Once you peg that on it, then it's like, okay, I get the thing. It's not just, you're not just there for the nudity. You're there for like connection. I mean, I just, Kit, you probably shouldn't answer this question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway.

• 1:05:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, is it really you that replies to people? Or do you have a team?

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  No, they're like automated.

• 1:05:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Cause I always worry that you're talking to like a guy in Ukraine.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  They're a hundred percent automated, but I mean.

• 1:05:27Tom Bilyeu?

  He's like, yes, I find you attractive.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  You get that dopamine.

• 1:05:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, God.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  You hit subscribe. Hey, thanks for coming to my channel. You're so awesome. Here's a special thing.

• 1:05:35Tom Bilyeu?

  This is so interesting. This is, this is interesting, Drew.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  But this is the.

• 1:05:41Tom Bilyeu?

  A team of Pakistanis.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  The Bonnie Blue.

• 1:05:43Tom Bilyeu?

  I can't do that accent though.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  The Bonnie Blue thing didn't surprise me as much because of this, cause I'm like, when she said like, I'm asleep with a thousand men. I'm like, oh, well, yeah, cause you just did a hundred.

• 1:05:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, well, yeah.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  And then I had to do a thousand.

• 1:05:52Tom Bilyeu?

  But a hundreds already. Here's the problem. There was a girl that went to my college. I can't believe this is true. Went to USC that set the original like crazy record. I don't know how many people it was that she slept with, but it was a lot. And I remember thinking, yo.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  College story. Everybody knows one girl in college.

• 1:06:06Tom Bilyeu?

  She was like a porn star.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, okay.

• 1:06:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Roll up to the dorm.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. That was like a campus local.

• 1:06:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Wait, has that ever happened?

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  I wasn't in part of it. I haven't been there, but there was a rumor that there was a girl at my school that slept with like 20 or 30 dudes one night and like.

• 1:06:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Going in and out, but it's like, I didn't know about it. My friend was on the track team. He heard it from his football team. Like they were in the bubble together, like practicing or something like that. And they were talking about it and. He came and told me and I was like, oh, that's crazy. So it was like. Urban myth, but nobody like, you know, was there or nothing. There weren't cameras, but.

• 1:06:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Man, I would just be like, are you okay? Are you good? Oh.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Kit Moon responded. She said, or they said, who knows? Um, many popular people do chatters. I do not. Many girls have like hundreds of chats a day, so they need someone. To field all of those for them, but I respect. I respond to all of mine because my fans stay more loyal because they know it's me.

• 1:07:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Word. Word.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  And they're on, hey, and they said they've been doing it for five years now and they made a living off of it.

• 1:07:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Kit has, let's go.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  It's five years officially.

• 1:07:12Tom Bilyeu?

  It's funny, you're right. I've always assumed Kit Moon is a woman, but we actually don't know that. Let's go.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Shout out to all our, um, our thays, our thems. We got a couple non-binary folks, trans folks in the chat. Shout out to all you guys. Happy Pride Month.

• 1:07:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Indeed, yeah, we're sort of at the last minute.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, happy belated Pride Month.

• 1:07:28Tom Bilyeu?

  It's funny, I always know when it's Pride Month because from our upstairs windows, there you can see, uh, West Hollywood. They put up the biggest fucking stage and so literally that first night is like,

• 1:07:43Tom Bilyeu?

  and like we can see it and it's like, okay, I'm like.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Gays are here, the gays are here, honey, they're back.

• 1:07:47Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm like, is it June? Yeah. Oh yeah, okay.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Uh, that's funny. All right. We have the solution though. So, so shout out to Pride Month, but to all the straights in the audience. You need some help, we got you. This is how to make straight relationships work.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  People say that straight relationships that survive and thrive are dynamics where the woman is a little bit more mean and the man is more patient and is kind of obsessed with her. Based on my experience working with couples, the reason that I think this holds a little bit of truth to it is because a man who you would describe as obsessed is also someone who values his partner's opinion. Care if they hurt their partner, they care about their partner's dreams and they care about what they have to say. Similarly, a woman who is described as a little bit mean is a woman who isn't afraid to call out bad behavior and will only keep someone around if they add value to her life. In essence, I think these terms are like counterweights to our current society where women can hold their ground and men actually care. And the reason that it works is because it becomes balanced.

• 1:08:43Tom Bilyeu?

  I actually find this pretty interesting. I think it's a pretty small part. Like if I was going to break down the things that have made Lisa and I successful, that's not going to be in the top two or three, but, uh, it does mirror the dynamic. I would not call Lisa mean, but I know that in an entrepreneurial context, she has gotten that feedback more than once. Uh, because she isn't afraid to stand her ground. And I remember very early in our relationship, I was like, oh my God, like here we go again. You're always arguing. And she was like, uh, that's part of why you like me. And I was like, nah. Actually, I was like, yeah, like if I could just always get my way and you were just always doing what I wanted to do.

• 1:09:26Tom Bilyeu?

  I'd probably get bored pretty fast. And so it was being with somebody who stands up for what they want, who knows what they want, first of all, that made it way more of an equal exchange between partners. And so my early map of Lisa was this is my partner. It wasn't like this is the person who follows me and I've got to go do everything. Doesn't mean I don't have a leadership role in the relationship I do and she'll be the first to tell you, but I feel like I'm offering leadership to a peer whose opinion I respect, who's really got good advice about like, hey, which way should we go? And I am, I think she would agree with this.

• 1:10:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Be very interesting to hear, but I'm 99.999% sure she'll agree with the following statement, that I am more patient of the two of us for sure. And so, yeah, that, and I am clearly obsessed with my wife, but not in like a weird way.

• 1:10:22Tom Bilyeu?

  But I care about what she thinks. I care about her dreams. I'm willing to make adjustments in my life to make sure that she's able to do the things that she wants to do.

• 1:10:31Tom Bilyeu?

  So yeah, there really is an element of truth to that.

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. As a non, only non-married person in the room right now, I kind of open up to the group like Mason, Eric, if you want to chime in. Like, is there some semblance of like being obsessed with your wife, your wife being a little bit more mean, mean is a, I don't like that term.

• 1:10:48Tom Bilyeu?

  She stands up for herself.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Tom Bilyeu?

  In, in a way that people notice.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  My wife does not, my wife is not mean to me, but we've had a disagreement on something lately, actually, I won't say what. And her ability to like be hard and fast on her take and just disagree. And we've had the, we've disagreed about it multiple times and she just, she's not letting up, like she thinks that way. And she's able to like, you know, withhold a little bit of nice feelings when she feels that way in order to get me to pay attention. Like it, it's effective and.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  Coming to the final analysis of it, it's like, okay, you're taking the safe side, not the more risky side of this issue. And so you taking that hard and fast stance and then keeping me back a little bit from this, like, is a really good thing and is probably going to be better for us in the final analysis. So like, her being able to do that is good. And then I'm definitely obsessed with her, so.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:11:50Tom Bilyeu?

  She is right, though. You shouldn't be doing coke during the week. Like, that really is, it's a weekend thing. It's a weekend thing.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  That's a lie.

• 1:11:57Tom Bilyeu?

  You gotta, you gotta hold it. God bless her. I won't say her name just in case, but.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  I, I, I won't, I won't say obsessed, and I don't mean to put you up just. Eric, do you feel, how do you feel about the obsessed part? Like.

• 1:12:07Tom Bilyeu?

  I won't say obsessed, but how do you feel about being obsessed?

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  No, like, does that, because to me, obsessed, kind of like.

• 1:12:13Tom Bilyeu?

  It's got negative connotations.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  But, and I'm also, I'm a single male. I gotta act like I don't like the woman in front of me and like, play that game. So I also.

• 1:12:20Tom Bilyeu?

  God, I so want a chance, Drew, to be out there just for a minute to see if my old school techniques would work, because I would take the exact opposite approach, but only if I'm actually interested.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  You would go like, all in, full sip?

• 1:12:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's, uh, no, ooh. So here's the thing. Here's what you have to do, I think, but I've not been challenged in the modern era. So this, it, it could be just a frame of reference culturally, it won't make sense. But the whole thing that I did with Lisa that got her interested was, I walked into this situation, I'm like, I'm aggressively me. And so to Mason's point about his wife, it's like, if she said something I disagreed with, I'd be like, that's ridiculous. So like, when we were talking about God, I was just like, nope, don't believe. And she's like, whoa, she's like, I've never heard anybody say that. And I was like, well, why do you believe? And so it was really interesting dynamic. But I was not hiding the fact that I found her interesting and that I was into it and I wanted to be there and like, yo, you're fascinating, you're attractive, like, the whole nine.

• 1:13:14Tom Bilyeu?

  But because it was like, I would draw lines in the sand and be like, no, that's ridiculous. There was like, this fascinating tension of, and I would never have had this phrase back then, but this is one of the red pill things that's really true. As a guy, if you can create the frame and then hold it, like, we're gonna have the conversation inside of the bubble I'm creating. And then it's like, there's something there. And like, if you can playfully tease them and like, um, surprise them with things that you're being sincere about, but you surprise them with stuff? Like, I mean, if it worked, I ended up marrying her, so, um, but I wanna see like if it still works. Or if there's just like a cultural thing where

• 1:13:57Tom Bilyeu?

  you just have to play like an absurd game because people come in so like disengaged. That would be the thing that I would worry about. I didn't have to compete with Lisa's phone. There was none of that. We didn't text for like ever. I didn't even know what a text was. They had him in England, but they didn't have him here. And so, uh, it's a very different time, so I'm well aware of that.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  And how long have you guys been together and been married?

• 1:14:19Tom Bilyeu?

  We've been married for 23 years. It'll be 20... Need to make sure I'm doing the math right. 2022, yeah, so it'll be 23 years and a month.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:14:30Tom Bilyeu?

  And then we've been together 25 years in, uh, October.

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  Quarter century. That's awesome. Shout out to y'all.

• 1:14:39Tom Bilyeu?

  It's real talk. Real talk. Let's go. Thank you, sir.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  What advice do you have to like these new marriages? Cause I think, isn't like seven, I think year seven is like the corner, like you have to turn, that's the big...

• 1:14:52Tom Bilyeu?

  The seven year itch?

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:53Tom Bilyeu?

  That whole idea?

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  That, you have to turn the corner, get past that. So how did you guys like power through that? Like, I definitely wanted to dig into the post-it note thing you said earlier, stuff like that. It's like, what are some... How do you get to the 23 year? How do you get to two decades? Like, how do you guys?

• 1:15:05Tom Bilyeu?

  You know, it's interesting. I do wonder if some of it was that I am by nature a workaholic. So if it's true that absence makes the heart grow fonder, every day I was at work.

• 1:15:20Speaker 02

  Absent.

• 1:15:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Ridiculous hours. I would come home, I would be obsessed because... I had promised her I would make her rich. I told her dad I was gonna make her rich. Only she believed in me. Nobody else did. She was clipping coupons for almost a decade. I was really in a like kinda dark place about like, oh, I may not make it. And so she finally had to pull me aside and say, okay, you're now damaging the marriage. I can't even ask you about your day. Cause I was like, don't ask me about my day. I was so stressed. And she was like, this is too much. I need to be able to engage with my husband. I don't need you to be successful, but I do need you to be present in this marriage. So there was some of that, like you feel like you're sort of fighting to make it work.

• 1:16:01Tom Bilyeu?

  And like she could tell I was going out like a warrior to fight for her, but like she was struggling, but we were working well together to navigate it. Um, also, we've always been really good about keeping our sex life interesting. So that's played an incredible role. We've both stayed in shape. People can be as judgmental as they want, but that's played a big role. So I'm sure more for me even than for Lisa, but she's always been in great shape. Uh, so that helps tremendously. Um, we enjoy each other physically. So that like goes a long way because women need to feel loved to have sex. Men need to have sex to feel loved. And so like if there was ever icy period, the only time we went through like a weird period was when she was, when she first had the gut problems.

• 1:16:46Tom Bilyeu?

  That was rough, but you're watching your wife like, I was legitimately afraid at one point she was gonna die. So you're not exactly thinking like, man, this chick is stingy with it. You're just like, like, how do we solve this problem?

• 1:16:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And we have a lot of fun together, like a lot of fun together. And then one person in a rage one time said something to me that really stuck with me. And he's like, Tom, I don't care what you have to say. You play life on easy mode. And I was like, huh? And he was like, you don't even have kids. And I was like, oh yeah, word. So kids, kids is hard mode. Kids is like, that's a whole nother level. And so like, if you wanna know one of my secrets about how to make a marriage work, don't have kids. Because listen, you, Lisa and I, that was part of the conversation was, uh, certainly for however many years when the kid is young. I would lose respect for Lisa if she didn't put the kid first.

• 1:17:40Tom Bilyeu?

  So now you're in this weird position where it's like, well, the very thing I want is going to tax the relationship. But if you as a mother, like I get, you get sort of out of the breastfeeding and all that. And then it, the situation probably needs to change. But I'm gonna need you as the mom to like, be like, this kid is my everything. I will die for it. I'll make sure it's fed, ah, and then I'll go out and slay dragons. I'm in that way, I'm old school. I'm even old school from my generation.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Tom Bilyeu?

  And so not having kids, we never had to deal with me falling into second place. She's always been my number one. Uh, I've always been her number one. And so that helps. And then we're both very good communicators. Meaning we race to see who can speak in insecurities the fastest. Because like anybody, we start with, I'm just mad because you hid the thing that I left on the counter. And I, cause I need to know where it is. And now I'm pissed about that. But there's actually another thing below that, which is I have an algorithm running that I'm never going to reach the levels of success that I want to have. And so you putting my phone away means I'm never going to build a video game and I'm never going to be the next Disney, right? And so it's like, if you can just be like, oh yeah, you're tripping this insecurity, whatever. We have found, oh, cool. Now I can be a partner with you and I can help put it all together.

• 1:18:56Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's been, I won't say easy, because there have been two huge, difficult moments. But each time it's been like, we know this is worth investing in and figuring out how to navigate this. Where do I get my T-shirt world rally? That's what I want to know. Drew is going to be on T-shirt detail, but I'm.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  I gotta get billionaires. Mr. G told me to get billionaires. Now I gotta get any trick if you got it.

• 1:19:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You can't.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  You're living a biological experience. That's another one we gotta get.

• 1:19:21Tom Bilyeu?

  I tried to think about how you pull off a T-shirt that says, why is the clitoris on the outside? But I'm not wearing that one personally. You guys are on your own.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  All right. And we hit the clitoris. So chat is done now.

• 1:19:31Tom Bilyeu?

  That's it. All right, everybody. Love you guys all. Thank you for being here. Uh, let's all keep our heads during the, uh, Israel, Iran, US in the mix process. Uh, and let's see how it all plays out. And I hope you guys have a wonderful day and we will see you Friday. Peace.

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