5 Scientific Rules for Making & Breaking Habits!

In this episode I wanted to do something that I haven't done in a while. It's been too long since it was just me, the microphone, and you. If there's one request I get over and over again, it's for more episodes of DOAC like in our early years, just me what's front of my mind - an authentic 'Diary of a CEO'. It's been an incredible 2022, our level of guest and conversation has only got higher and higher, but I wanted to look forward to 2023. Specifically, something that's been on my mind lately, how do you actually make new years resolutions stick? We all have our own theory, but what does the science say? In this episode you'll hear the surprising things that people get WRONG when they make resolutions. Using the latest from the fields of neuroscience and psychology, you'll hear about the surprising powers goal setting has to help you practice better habits. And not just how to pick up those habits, but how to make those habits last a lifetime. Follow me: https://beacons.ai/diaryofaceo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Steven Bartlett?

  This, for many of you, will be the most important podcast episode I've ever recorded. And I don't usually ask you to do this, but in this case, I'm going to ask you to please listen to this entire episode if you can, and if you have the opportunity to do so. If there's something in your life that you've struggled with, something you've struggled to change, that goal you've had that you've never quite managed to attain, then this episode was made for you. I've been inundated with messages over the last couple of weeks as we approach the new years, and these messages all seem to express slight variations of the same critical question, which is, how do I make and break habits in 2023? Our lives are quite simply a manifestation of our habits, the things we repeatedly do.

• 0:45Steven Bartlett?

  So as many of you have correctly identified, if we can change those habits, we can make and break behaviours, take control of our lives, and finally achieve our most important goals. And in my life, all of the good things have come after me breaking a habit that's had me trapped in sort of a limiting, sometimes toxic cycle in my life. And so habits and studying how they're made and how we make and break them with will has been one of the most important realisations in my life. And in the research of this, this particular podcast episode, I spent weeks researching and reading every book that I could on the science of making and breaking habits. And in this episode, I'm going to tell you everything that I learned, everything that

• 1:26Steven Bartlett?

  you need to know from the most up-to-date scientific research on habits and changing behaviour. And I do this in the hope that one of you, even one of you, I think it'd be worthwhile if I land this effect on one of you, one of you can change the behaviour you've wanted to change, and therefore take control of a habit and therefore change your life. Multiple scientific studies have found that most people give up their New Year's resolutions within a month. And according to a recent American study, of the 41% of Americans who made a New Year's resolution, by the end of the year, only 9% were successful in keeping it. 9%. That means if you make a New Year's resolution at the start of the year, by the end of the year, only 9% of you have achieved it. I know this might make you not believe in New Year's resolutions.

• 2:11Steven Bartlett?

  It might make you think they're pointless. But the study also reveal something that suggests otherwise. Six months after setting a new year's resolution, forty-six percent of people who made a resolution were still successful in achieving it. They still had the good habits going, compared to just four percent of people who made a similar goal that wasn't a new year's resolution. That's a one thousand and fifty percent increase in the probability of you achieving your goal after six months if you set it as a new year's resolution. Similarly, research by psychologist John Norcross, a very famous American psychologist, has found that resolution makers are more than ten times as successful in changing their behaviour as people who want to change but don't have a formal resolution.

• 2:56Steven Bartlett?

  Now, I used to be in the camp of thinking that resolutions were an excuse for not making change earlier in the year. But clearly, there is something supported by science and psychology that's happening in terms of an intention setting that's actually making new year's resolutions important. But this podcast is not just about new year's resolutions. This is about goal-setting generally and breaking and making habits. And, as I said, twelve months after you've set that new year's resolution, just that nine percent of people are still successful in their resolution. So this podcast episode is also about purely making sure that you are part of that successful nine percent by giving you all the science and all the information that you need to be part of that nine percent. Almost fifty percent of you will be successful six months after your resolution,

• 3:40Steven Bartlett?

  but most of you will fail in the next six months. The question is why? And I think I know the answer.

• 3:54Steven Bartlett?

  From reading through hundreds of pages of books and studies on habits and goals and new year's resolutions, it's clear to me that the first place to start is by explaining exactly what a habit is in the most simple way. But clearly, habits are behaviours wired so deeply in our brains that we perform them almost automatically. So why do we have habits? Well, they are very handy prehistoric devices that our ancestors have given us because decision making and thinking itself consumes so much time and energy. And the truth is, if you never made habits, you would be spending so much time and mental energy on routine things like, how do I get to work in the morning? Or how do I get from the kitchen in my house to the living room in my house? And if you used all of your time on that, you wouldn't have the capacity to solve

• 4:36Steven Bartlett?

  unique daily challenges, many of which, once upon a time, presented a real life or death threat. So your brain created habits, which are neurological pathways that fire together so frequently and successfully that your brain wired them together to save you time and energy. Once habits are formed, they're encoded in your brain forever. And this, for me, was a real revelation from reading through all the research. People tend to believe that they can make a bad habit disappear for good. The science suggests otherwise. Let me tell you a story about some rats in a maze, and what this recently uncovered about how we can make and break habits. Picture the human brain as an onion composed of layer upon layer of cells.

• 5:21Steven Bartlett?

  Most of our complex thinking, the things that we really ponder over and the things that really trouble us, happen on the outermost layers of the brain. That's the part of the brain that you're using to listen to me right now. On the evolutionary timescale, the outermost layer was added fairly recently. But as you go deep inside the brain towards the centre of the skull, you'll find this golf ball sized lump of tissues. And this is called the basial ganglia. And this is where all of your habits are stored. For ease, and just so I don't have to pronounce that difficult word again, I'm going to call this your habit control centre, your habit control room. And because it's such a prehistoric part of the brain, that same habit control centre can be found inside the brain of rats as well. So in order to study the habit control room,

• 6:04Steven Bartlett?

  world leading researchers from MIT conducted experiments with rats, where they monitored the rats' brains and put them inside a T shaped maze with some delicious chocolate hidden somewhere. Inside the maze, the first time the rat was put into the maze, it would wander up and down the center aisle, sniffing corners and scratching at the walls. It could smell the chocolate, but it couldn't quite figure out how to find it. When it reached the top of the tea in the maze, it often turned to the right away from the chocolate and then wandered left, sometimes pausing for no obvious reason at all. Eventually, in all the studies, the animal found the chocolate. But there was no clear pattern in the search, the wandering behaviour that happened before that.

• 6:46Steven Bartlett?

  On the surface, it looked like each rat was taking a leisurely, unthinking casual stroll. But when they look at brain scans of those rats at that exact moment, it tells a completely different story. While each animal wandered through the maze for the first time, its brain in particular, that habit control centre in the core of the brain, was working on overdrive. Each time a rat sniffed the air or scratched the wall, its brain exploded with activity, as if it was analysing each new scent, each new sight and each new sound. And although the rat looked calm, the rat's brain was ferociously processing everything. But once the rat had found the chocolate, once, when placed back into the maze, the brain activity completely disappeared. The rat was now on autopilot. It no longer needed to process

• 7:31Steven Bartlett?

  things. It no longer needed to think. A habit had been formed. So the habit control centre takes over, seemingly automatically retrieving the stored information on how to get from where it is at the start of the maze to the chocolate. And as if possessed by the habit control centre, the rat glided straight to the chocolate without pause. In the same way that we all glide unconsciously to work or to the gym or to that familiar part of the house without thinking every single morning when we wake up, without having to consider the directions to get there. So because the rat was on autopilot, its brain was freed up to think about other things. So theoretically, the rat could glide to the chocolate while also pondering a complex problem it was having at work

• 8:11Steven Bartlett?

  that day. By navigating the maze over and over, the rats formed what scientists now call a habit loop. And there are three steps in a habit loop. Step one is you need a cue, which in this case was a Click sound they played when they dropped the rat into the maze. This cue in turn makes the habit control centre activate the stored routine. And step two is a routine. The routine for the rats was the walk through the maze towards the chocolate. And step three is you need a reward, which is of course the delicious chocolate at the end of the maze. The cue, routine, reward is the habit loop. The habit loop happens to be the same for humans also.

• 8:52Steven Bartlett?

  And I've mentioned this over the years before, but my father smoked for 30 years of his life, but he only ever smoked in the car, never at parties, never at home, never at work, only in the car. And in all honesty, it would really upset me because I think I grew up with this kind of existential feeling or worry that my dad was going to die someday because he smoked, because I'd heard all, you know, all the things they say about smoking and the carcinogens and why it's bad for you. So seeing your father do that was quite troubling for me as a, as a young man. And I tried, I think in subtle ways to encourage him to quit. But nothing seemed to work until one day, something I accidentally did led to him making the decision to quit smoking forever.

• 9:35Steven Bartlett?

  His cue, routine, reward, habit loop is a prime example of everything I've said. He would sit in the car and the car itself was the cue. Sometimes cues are just context or environment. And that cue caused a neurological pathway in his brain to begin to fire up in his habit control centre of his brain. And seemingly without thinking, as if possessed, he would automatically reach down into the car door and pull out his packet of miniature cigars, which was his routine. That reach down was his routine, like the rats walking through the maze. And then he'd wind the window down and light one up. And the nicotine, which releases a feel-good chemical in the brain called dopamine, in under just 20 seconds was the reward. Cue craving, routine, reward.

• 10:16Steven Bartlett?

  But then one day, when I was 18 years old, after dropping out of university to build my first tech startup, I was reading a book called Hooked by Nir Eyal, who's a previous guest on this podcast, that explains how big social media companies and tech companies get their users to form the habit of using their products every day and become addicted to their products every day by using the same habit loop. While I was reading that book, I happened to stop off at home back in the southwest in Plymouth. And I accidentally left it in my father's bathroom. Now, for whatever reason, like many of us, my dad loves to read while he's on the toilet. And so he ends up picking up the book, learning about that habit loop and finally understanding the queue, routine and reward that was causing him to smoke. And so he went into his car some weeks later.

• 11:00Steven Bartlett?

  He didn't actually tell me this until months after he'd quit smoking. He went into his car, took the cigarettes out and put these miniature lollipops, these little chuppa chuppa lollipops in the cigar case, in the place where it was. And my father, after that, never smoked ever again. The habit loop had been interrupted. A new, less addictive habit had been formed in its place. And within that, my father's health outcomes had drastically improved. Going back to the original point about how just nine percent of us will successfully keep our New Year's resolutions. I think the study with the rats, the maze and the chocolate may explain why. You've probably heard the phrase, old habits die hard. And from the scientific perspective, that couldn't be more true. And I think this is good news for your good habits.

• 11:44Steven Bartlett?

  And I think this is probably bad news for your bad habits. In that study with the rats, researchers eventually removed the chocolate and the rats still ran exactly the same way through the maze. The researchers went one step further then and poisoned the chocolate with a chemical that makes the brain of the rat experience nausea. And the rats still ran the exact same way through the maze, even though they stopped eating the chocolate, experiencing the reward at the end of it. The routine was still the same, the queue was still the same. Interestingly, the researchers then found a way to interfere with the rat's brain and shut off that automatic habit loop that was causing it to take the left journey through the maze. And it worked. Instead of running left through the maze, the rat started to run right through the maze.

• 12:28Steven Bartlett?

  But then, interestingly, when the researchers interfered with the rat's brain again and disabled that habit loop of turning right through the maze, the rats instantaneously went back to the previous habit of running left through the maze, and they did it at the same speed, certainty and accuracy as they'd done it previously, once they'd learnt that habit. They didn't need to learn the old pathway through the maze once again, and their brain scans showed that they weren't thinking about it. They were back on autopilot. And researchers were shocked because what this says, and I quote the researchers, quote, "The original habit had never, ever really been forgotten. It was always lurking somewhere there in their brain." And I think, ladies and gentlemen, this might be one of the biggest

• 13:12Steven Bartlett?

  misconceptions that people have about habits. You never get rid of them. They're never forgotten. You know, the same is true about so many things in our lives. I reflect on that and think about some of the traumatic experiences I've had. That evidence remains ingrained in our brain because it's useful for us. It's like if you go back maybe thousands of years, knowing that a lion was something to run from was something that was important for your cognition to never forget. And this for me also explains why 91% of us that set a new year's resolution to form a new habit or to create a new behaviour will fail within 12 months. Habits can't be broken. But, and this is the good news, they can be forgotten and they can be

• 13:53Steven Bartlett?

  replaced. The scientists in the rat maze chocolate study said, and I quote, "These results suggest that the brain can quickly toggle between an old habit and a new habit." What's really stunning is that old habits are totally intact and retrievable in an instant. Habits can be broken, they can be replaced, but they can't be removed forever. So when you think about the habit loop and the cue routine reward cycle, it becomes really clear why 91% of people won't keep their new year's resolutions and why 25% of us won't even keep the resolution for one week, because their old, bad habits are still there. They never die.

• 14:35Steven Bartlett?

  And the same cues are still there in their lives, whether it's an environmental cue like my dad, or it's a chemical cue in the case of my former partner, where every time we went for a glass of wine, she got the craving to go for a cigarette. And the routine is of course the same, you know, the cigars are still there in my dad's car door, or the sweets are still there in the drawer downstairs in my house. And the rewards on offer are all the same too, and equally delicious and compelling. So it's all well and good understanding this, and even interrupting the habit cycle like my dad successfully did with those lollipops in the, in the car drawer. But the answer to sustaining a new habit is more complicated. To get those new neurological pathways to fire together and therefore wire together,

• 15:16Steven Bartlett?

  scientific studies conducted all around the world in humans and animals say that you need just a little bit more. One thing we need, and all the science was clear on this, is we need repetition. You've heard this before, some studies say 21 days to form a new habit, some studies say 66 days. The truth is, and I read a real plethora of research, is it seems to depend. For some people, it happens in a shorter period of time. For some people, depending on the habit, depending on who you are, it can take up to hundreds of days to form the new habit. The director of the University of Oregon's Social and Effective Neuroscience Lab, Elliot Berkman, said, "Since habits take practice and repetition to form, the same is true when it comes to breaking them. In order to break those unwanted habits and make new ones, whatever they're going to

• 16:00Steven Bartlett?

  be, I'm going to give you the five rules of making and breaking habits that have the most scientific evidence to support them from what I've found, the things that resonated with me the most that I honestly didn't know. With these five rules in mind, you'll drastically, I believe drastically increase your chances of breaking any bad habit that you have and making any new habit that you desire to have." So, rule number one. Stress is your puppet master. Many habits, as I'm sure you can relate, including smoking or excessive sugar consumption, involve the brain's dopamine or reward system. And dopamine, if you understand what that chemical is, is a feel-good chemical that transmits signals between neurons in the brain.

• 16:45Steven Bartlett?

  The first time you engage in a new rewarding behaviour, you get a euphoric feeling from doing it as a result of that dopamine release. This leads to changes in both the connections between neurons in the brain and the system responsible for action, and can largely account for why we start to form bad habits in the first place, or habits that we don't necessarily want. Many of these rewarding things, like sugar or substances, are powerful and chemically addictive as well, which means the habit is even harder to unanchor. And our psychological reaction to them in this day and age can be linked all the way back to evolution. In the caveman days, in the cave woman days, meat wasn't salted. There wasn't such a thing as candy or sweets.

• 17:28Steven Bartlett?

  And highly addictive substances like tobacco have only been growing in the wild for nearly 8,000 years. But it wasn't until about 2,000 years ago that we started picking tobacco up and chewing it and smoking it. Russell Poldrack, who's the professor of psychology at Stanford University, says, "Our brains are not well-equipped to deal with the big rush one gets from these sorts of things." And if you just look at the high street around you, humans have quite clearly designed our entire society around activities that will give us this habit-forming dopamine response in our brains. If you go into a corner shop, I can get crisps, again, that releases dopamine, sweets, adult magazines, cigars, cigarettes, booze. And they sell so well because they cause that all-important dopamine release in our

• 18:11Steven Bartlett?

  brain, which acts as the reward part of the habit loop. So we keep on coming back to the corner shop for more and more and more, which means more shops have popped up on the high street catering to that addictive habit loop and that reward part of the habit loop. And if you think about your high street, most of the shops are selling sugar, caffeine, or highly-processed foods for this very reason. And I've always wondered if highly-processed foods like french fries, pizzas, cheesecakes, all of my favourite things, milkshakes, trigger the same neurological habit loop as smoking or other addictive drugs? And new findings published in the Journal of Clinical Nutrition finally suggest that

• 18:50Steven Bartlett?

  they do. Scientists studied a group of overweight men between the ages of 18 and 35 years old. The men were given similar milkshakes. However, one had a high glycemic index and then one had a low glycemic index. The glycemic index is basically an indicator of how fast blood sugar glucose levels spike after consuming certain foods. Carbohydrates such as cookies and baked goods and pasta and white bread and white rice all have a high glycemic index. They're quickly digested while low glycemic carbohydrates, which include whole grains and vegetables and fruits and legumes and unprocessed grains are broken down in a much slower way. Four hours after the two groups of men were given the milkshakes, they had

• 19:34Steven Bartlett?

  an MRI brain scan which analyzed the activity in that reward part of the brain. And subjects in the experiment who consumed the high glycemic milkshakes had spikes in their blood sugar levels, which then plummeted four hours later. And as their blood glucose levels decreased, those participants developed excessive hunger and their brain scans demonstrated high levels of activity in a region of the brain which is associated with addiction. And this really brings me to a point from that professor at Stanford where he said, "You're more likely to do the thing you don't want to do when you're stressed out, i.e. you're more likely to go in search of that dopamine hit in the form of sugar,

• 20:14Steven Bartlett?

  processed food, drugs, porn, alcohol, whatever it might be, if you're stressed out." Therefore, one of the most unobvious but important things you can do to make a new habit stick and form enough repetitions in that early phase to make the neurons fire together and wire together is to keep your stress levels low, especially in that critical early phase while you're forming that new habit loop. I.e. if you're trying to form a new habit, whatever it might be, go to the gym, whatever it might be, and if you want to be in that 9% of people that have achieved their New Year's resolution 12 months from now. Don't just focus on the habit. Focus on your stress because high stress levels are one of the forces acting against your willpower as it relates to habits. And I think we can all relate.

• 20:59Steven Bartlett?

  I think we can all sort of intuitively know that when we're stressed, we tend to reverse back to bad habits. And that's exactly why. They've proven this over and over again in studies that stressed people make bad choices as they go in that desperate search of things that will make them feel good in the short term. And because of this, stressed people are very bad at delaying gratification. And being able to delay gratification, as I've come to learn in my own life, is one of the real keys of achieving any goal we have in life, business, relationships, health or fitness. So what is delayed gratification? I've heard that word for most of my life, but what is it and why is it important? What is the research? What are the studies that prove the importance of it? And how do I do it? Well, the definition of delayed gratification, according to science, is the ability to delay

• 21:42Steven Bartlett?

  an impulse for an immediate reward to receive a more favorable reward at a later time. And just on that point of delayed gratification and how important it is, one of the most important studies I've ever read was from the 1960s. A famous Stanford professor named Walter Michel began conducting a series of important studies around the concept of delayed gratification. During his experiments, Michel and his team tested hundreds of children, most of them between the ages of four and five years old. And he revealed what we now believe to be one of the most important characteristics of success, not just in health, not just in work, but also in life. And they called this, and this is a very famous experiment, so I imagine most of you will know this experiment. They called this the marshmallow experiment.

• 22:26Steven Bartlett?

  I think certain TV shows in America have mimicked this and it's really quite funny to watch. I remember it went viral, a form of it went viral on social media a couple of years ago. The experiment began by bringing each child into a private room and sitting them down on a chair and placing one marshmallow on the table in front of them. The child was then given a choice by the researcher. The researcher said, I'm gonna leave the room for a while and I'll come back in and you can eat this tasty marshmallow if you want to, if that's your choice. But if you don't want to eat it, and if you don't eat it, I'll give you a second one when I come back in. So the choice was simple. One treat right now or two treats when the researcher comes back in later. The researcher left the room for 15 minutes.

• 23:08Steven Bartlett?

  Some kids, as you can imagine, jumped up and put that marshmallow straight in their mouth. They'd eaten it before he'd even left the room. Others, quite hilariously, struggled around in their chair and tried to restrain themselves from eating it, but eventually gave in a few minutes later. And finally, a few of the children did manage to wait the entire time. And this study became known as the Marshmallow Experiment, but it wasn't the funny reactions that made it famous. The mind-blowing and fascinating part came many, many years later. As the years rolled past and those same children became fully-formed adults, the researchers conducted a follow-up experiment and they tracked each child's progress in a number of different areas of their life. And what they found was astonishing.

• 23:50Steven Bartlett?

  The children who were willing to delay gratification and waited to receive the second marshmallow from the researcher ended up having higher exam scores later in life. They ended up having lower levels of substance abuse, lower likelihoods of childhood obesity, better social skills as reported by their parents and friends, and generally, better scores in most areas across their entire lives. And importantly, the kids that didn't reach for the marshmallow and became successful adults also had much better responses to stress. They were likely less stressed kids and they were probably less stressed adults. And it's interesting to try and establish causation between there. Clearly, stress undermines our ability to regulate impulsivity. Stress hijacks the brain. And if you're stressed, you won't be able to delay gratification.

• 24:35Steven Bartlett?

  You will continue to reach for those marshmallows and you might not therefore achieve your goals. The researchers in the Marshmallow Experiment continued to follow each child for more than 40 years. And year over year over year, the group who waited patiently for the second marshmallow succeeded in every capacity of their lives that they were measuring. In other words, the series of experiments proved that our ability to delay gratification was critical for success in life, in our love lives, in our work. And we know that stress is a key factor preventing us from delaying gratification. You'll see this everywhere in your life. I've seen it in mine. If you're able to delay the gratification of buying sweets or desserts or cake or ice cream on your way home from work, that increases your chance of eating healthier when you get home.

• 25:19Steven Bartlett?

  And there's countless other examples. Therefore, and this is, I guess, my big conclusion. Therefore, and this is not obvious, but at the start of your journey to creating that new habit, you have to focus on the simple stuff that makes your life as stress free as possible. And those foundations are, it's been proven by science, more sleep, exercise regularly, and opt for stress reduction techniques like meditation or massages or walking or running or whatever, helps you to deregulate, de-stress, decompress, because scientists have shown that that alone will increase your willpower and drastically improve your chances of cementing new habits and achieving your big goals in your life. And it's funny, because most people wouldn't think of sleep as an important factor in

• 26:03Steven Bartlett?

  achieving most of their habits, but the science seems to be incredibly clear on this. According to world-leading sleep expert and neurologist Kathy Goldstein, sleep plays a major factor in the success or failure of the most popular New Year's resolutions. For those trying to lose weight or to eat healthier, a lack of sleep decreases leptin, which is the hormone that makes you feel full. It also boosts something called ghrelin, aka the hunger hormone, which increases appetite, promotes fat storage and causes poor food choices. And for those of you like me that have goals associated with work and becoming better in your work, or you want to get a promotion or whatever it might be, the science is clear, a lack of sleep reduces your productivity. And additionally,

• 26:46Steven Bartlett?

  sleep-deprived people in management roles are described as less ethical, not as alert, not as motivated, and not as cheerful. And for those of you that might want to boost your, your social lives, a lack of sleep contributes to poor mood, markedly worse social interactions in all of the studies. And for those looking to quit smoking, like my dad, a lack of sleep is tied to higher rates of nicotine dependency. Sleep is one of these foundations that we often overlook, and it's become a huge priority in my life. So if you want to make or break a new habit, rule number one in my five rules is to forget all the complicated tips and tricks and hacks, and focus on those basics. You'll succeed if you feel good, if you're not overstressed and if you've slept. Rule number two.

• 27:32Steven Bartlett?

  Know your cues, incredibly important and often overlooked. As we've said previously, and as you know, I've indicated from that rat maze chocolate experiment, but also in the example of my father and my ex-girlfriend, habits have three main parts, a cue, a routine and a reward. Cues are often just a context where you tend to engage in that behaviour. So if you want to break a habit, step number one has to be getting crystal clear on exactly what your cues are. If you're aware of it, you're empowered to do something about it. Because the science shows that you're most likely to relapse to an old bad habit in the context of when you usually perform that bad habit. Knowing your cues and your triggers can help you to avoid them. And scientists say that if a smoker disposes of a cue, like, and it could be an item,

• 28:17Steven Bartlett?

  a cue item, like an ashtray or something like that, that reminds them of that habit, they're significantly more likely to give up smoking. So with this in mind, capitalising on a major life change can also help you to break or make unhealthy habits. Often people think like when you're moving to a new city or starting a new job, or you're, you know, joining a new social environment, we might think that's bad timing to start thinking about making new habits because we're so busy. But science suggests the complete opposite. Think about it. If our cues come from our environment, usually, your current environment is full of hundreds of different cues and triggers. Your home, your commute, your dog walk, your social context, even your friends.

• 29:01Steven Bartlett?

  Collectively, all of those environmental factors probably hold hundreds, maybe even thousands of cues and triggers that lead to routines that get you rewards. And those cues and triggers and routines and rewards, those cues are holding your bad habits in place. So if you're used to lighting up a cigarette on your way home from work, for instance, or stopping off at that fast food spot on your way home from work, moving to a new city gives you a chance to break that cue. It removes the cue, which means that you can remove the routine and hopefully the reward. And that's something that I that I think about a lot, which is whenever I change my environment, whether it's moving into a new place, or going to a new city, or making new friends, or doing something new, how can I use that sort of blank canvas as a

• 29:45Steven Bartlett?

  as a way to start creating new habits? Can I put my fitness shoes in a certain obvious place so that I'm queued every day to go to the gym? Can I remove the sweet drawer from my house completely and replace it with a healthy drawer full of vegetables and fruits? Those kinds of things. And also, when we go to new places, when we spend time abroad for prolonged periods of time, that's a great opportunity, despite what people tend to think, to really kickstart new habits and to shed old ones. Rule number three: don't focus on stopping bad habits, focus on replacing them. It is, and I've experienced this over and over again in my life, it's impossibly difficult to actually stop a habit. So I delved into the science to try and figure out why and what happens when

• 30:27Steven Bartlett?

  we try and stop doing a bad habit. And the science shows that focusing too much on stopping something often makes you rebound eventually and do it more. We are action-oriented creatures, not inaction-oriented creatures. And some studies have shown that the more you suppress your thoughts, the more likely you are to think about those things over and over again, and therefore revert back to a bad habit. One study done in 2008 on the topic of appetite found that those who suppressed their thoughts about eating chocolate exhibited behavioural rebound effects where they consumed significantly more chocolate than those who didn't. And I'll tell you what, I can relate. I can think of multiple times in my life where I've

• 31:09Steven Bartlett?

  made a pledge to myself to quit something. And because I'm so focused on quitting that thing, when I eventually break, maybe because I'm stressed, maybe because of another factor, I end up swinging so far the other way, because I've sort of held myself away from that thing that I craved. And similarly, a 2010 study published in the Psychological Science found that smokers who tried to restrain their thoughts about smoking ultimately wound up thinking about smoking even more. And this reminds me of a small piece of advice my driving instructor said to me when I was 18 years old, 19 years old. He said, Stephen, the car goes where your eyes are looking. If you want to avoid crashing into the cars on the side of the road, don't focus on the cars on the side of the road, because you'll veer towards the parked cars on the side of the road. So look forward.

• 31:55Steven Bartlett?

  Into the distance where you want the car to go. And this seems like a fairly fitting analogy for what we're talking about. And for the third law of breaking and making habits, you end up doing the thing you're focusing on. So don't focus on stopping smoking. Focus on the behaviour you want to replace it with. The director of the University of Oregon's Social and Effective Neuroscience Lab, Elliot Berkman, who I mentioned earlier, he said something which is really, really pertinent to this. He said, if you're a smoker and you tell yourself not to smoke, your brain still hears smoke. Conversely, if you tell yourself to chew gum every time you want a cigarette, your brain has a more positive action orientated goal to focus on. And this explains why those miniature lollipops that my dad put in the

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  the side of the car when he quit smoking was such a good idea. He didn't just take the cigarettes out of the car altogether, which might have caused him to rebound and think about them a lot. He replaced them with a new action orientated habit for his brain to latch on to and focus on, which in his case was of course sucking lollipops. Similarly, scientists suggest that if 5pm, for example, has been linked to that glass of wine that you've been trying to knock for a while, don't just remove the glass of wine from your life. Instead, double down on hydration and make sure the fridge is stocked with seltzers and cold water and lemon, just like my dad did. But as I said at the start of this podcast, doing this just once won't be enough. Forming a new habit takes time and commitment.

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  So don't feel discouraged if it takes longer than you might expect. I remember looking at the, because I think we've all grown up in this world where they say that forming a new habit takes 20 something days. People have repeated this to me over and over again. It takes 20 something days. I think when I started doing the keto diet for a little while, people said to me, just do it for 25 days and you'll be, you know, the habit will stick. So I looked into some of the science around this. And a 2010 study published in the European Journal of Social Psychology found it took an average of 66 days for a behaviour to change. But as I said at the start, this varies wildly. For some people, it's 20 days and in some cases it was 250 days. So I think that's largely BS. And I think the more important thing is actually going to be revealed in rule number five of these five rules.

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  But before we get to number five, which it really was a lightbulb epiphany moment for me, I'm going to give you rule number four for forming, making and breaking the habits you want to in 2023. Rule number four is you need a better reason to quit. Neuroscientists have shown that even if you replace a quote unquote bad habit with a better one, sometimes the original habit will have a much stronger biological reward than the thing you've substituted it for. And if you think about what I said earlier, the habit's always going to be there. So even if you substitute it, like the scientists said in the rat experiment, it can so easily just toggle back. It never disappears. The pathway, the neurons are fired together, they are wired together. For example, in the case of my dad, who I keep mentioning throughout this podcast, his brain obviously knows that

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  the lollipop is not as addictive as the nicotine he's getting from those cigars, and therefore it won't produce the same euphoric neurological feeling in the reward centers of his brain as those cigars did. But this is where the importance of having an intrinsic motivation comes into play. And listen, an intrinsic motivation is a phrase any avid listener of this podcast has probably heard me say a lot. The word intrinsic is one of my favorite phrases. It's basically a reason for doing something that is genuinely and personally important to you, not something that you're doing for external rewards or payment. We call that an extrinsic motivation. And for me, and you've heard me bang on about this, because it genuinely changed my life, my reason for getting healthy and cutting

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  junk food out of my diet was always shallow. As I've said before, I wanted to have a six pack for summer. So for the first few months of every single year, when I made that New Year's resolution, I would work out every single day and I would eat healthy food obsessively until one of two things happened, until either I got in shape or until summer ended. Then I would immediately revert back, like those rats who started running left again, I would immediately revert back to my old habit of eating junk food and avoiding any form of exercise. And it wasn't until 2020, when a certain virus spread across the world, tragically killing millions of people in every corner of the world, that I got to see.

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  As the most imprinting alarming example, how fragile health is and how fragile life is. And that's when, if I think about it now, that's when things changed in my mind. I realized like a wonderful epiphany that my health and fitness were the most important thing in my life. Because it is literally the first foundation. I've said this before, think of it like this table. Everything you care about sits on this table. Your career, your family, your goals, all of your future dreams, everything. Now you can remove any of the things on the table and you still have everything else. I can, God forbid, get rid of my dog Pablo and I still have everything else on the table. I can get rid of my career and I still have everything else that's on the table. But if I get rid of the table, everything else falls. I lose everything.

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  My health is the table. My health is my first foundation. Everything in my life is contingent on it. So logically, it must be every single day when I wake up in the morning, it must be my first priority. And that one realization changed my life. It gave me like this huge, powerful, intrinsic reason to focus on my health, which was not just six packs and abs and chasing women or whatever it might be. And now we sit here three years later and I'm in the best shape of my life. I've managed to kind of stick at it. Of course, I have ups and downs and peaks and troughs and whatever else. And some days where I'm, you know, in the drawer at 2am eating too much chocolate or whatever. We're all human, none of us are perfect. And I think it's important to communicate that. I have all the same struggles, you know, some days my motivation's low, some days it's a bit higher.

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  But if we zoom out, and I think that's the key, if we zoom out, I've made drastically healthier choices. I'm in the best shape of my life. I've cut out a lot of the things that I know are bad for me. And that really had a bad impact on my body and my mind. And that's all because I finally got a better reason. And my point here is sometimes your good habits don't stand a chance because you don't have a good enough reason. Like me, you want a six pack and you want it for bad reasons. One of my favorite quotes of all time is, "Change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change." I.e. people don't change until it's easier to change than it is to stay the same. And unfortunately.

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  This means people sometimes need a real health scare. They need a death in their family or some kind of other tragedy until they have a strong enough reason, strong enough evidence to make a change. And that is tremendously sad. It's been the case for me too many times in my life that I've had to lose something to make a change, or I've had to lose something to learn the value of it. For me, the events of 2020 were that tragedy. I sincerely hope that you guys that are listening to this won't need a tragedy of your own to realise what truly matters to you, or to give you that intrinsic motivation to live more aligned with the person you want to be and the values that you have. Rule number five, maybe the most important, I'll let you decide.

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  Rule number five, and this is again slightly controversial, slightly unconventional, is willpower is not enough. This is maybe the most fascinating study I read of all of them, because it really made me ponder and it kind of disrupted my thinking on willpower and strength and mental strength and motivation. And it's probably a huge reason why 91% of people don't stick to their resolutions. Dozens of studies show that willpower is the single most important habit for individual success. And this is true, but for a long time, people thought that willpower is a skill that you

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  could develop and that therefore remains constant forever, until Mark Moravan, a PhD scientist, argued that if willpower is a skill, then why does it not remain constant throughout the whole day or even throughout the whole week? Why does willpower seem to fluctuate? He conducted an experiment to prove that willpower, like all of the muscles in our body, gets exhausted the more we use it throughout the day. In his lab, he did a fairly simple thing. He set up one bowl of freshly baked cookies and then he set up another bowl of radishes. And listen, everybody hates radishes, including me. Well, you know. Put them up, chop them up, put them in a salad, maybe I don't hate them, they're good for you. But anyway, in this example, most people would prefer hot delicious cookies

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  than radishes, right? And the participants in the study were divided into two groups. One group was instructed to eat the delicious cookies and ignore the radishes. The other group was instructed to ignore the delicious cookies and to eat the radishes. I know which group I would have rather been in. After five minutes into that experiment, the researchers re-entered the room and gave both groups of people a puzzle. But the thing is, the puzzle was impossible to complete. And here's what happened. The people that had eaten the cookie with their unused reservoir of willpower, because they hadn't had to use their willpower, they hadn't had to use their restraint, looked way more relaxed when they were trying to solve that impossible puzzle, and they would continue to try and

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  solve it over and over and over again. Some worked for more than half an hour before the researcher told them to stop. On average, the cookie eaters spent almost nineteen minutes trying to solve that puzzle before they eventually quit, on average. Now, in the case of the radish eaters with their depleted willpower, because they they had to practise restraint, they acted completely differently. It was a completely opposite story. They vented as they worked to try and solve that puzzle. They got frustrated. One even complained that the whole experiment was a waste of time. Some of them put their heads on the table, closed their eyes, and one of them even snapped at the researcher when she came

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  back in. On average, the radish eaters worked for roughly eight minutes, sixty percent less. They tried to solve the problem of the puzzle, the impossible puzzle, for sixty percent less time than the cookie eaters before quitting. And when I read this study, I was shocked, but I'm a skeptic. So I tried to think of why this might be. I tried to think of other factors. And I thought of maybe it's the sugar. Maybe the sugar in the cookies are causing them to work harder. But when you look at other studies where there isn't sugar, anytime someone's practising restraint, the same effects are seen. Willpower isn't just a skill, it's a muscle, like the muscles in your arms or your legs, and it gets tired, and it Gets tired as it's forced to work harder. So there's less power left over for all of the other things.

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  And since that cookie study was published, I think in 1998, numerous studies have built a case for the exact same thing. They call it the willpower depletion theory. In one incredible example, which is almost hard to believe, volunteers who were asked to suppress their feelings as they watched an emotional movie, gave up sooner on a test that they did after of physical stamina than volunteers who watched the film and were allowed to react in whatever way they wanted to. So if you were asked to restrain yourself when you then did a physical exercise, people gave up sooner in the physical exercise. In a similar study, which pointed at the exact same conclusion, people who were asked to suppress certain thoughts were less able to stifle laughter in a follow-up test, which was designed to make them giggle.

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  So if the science here is correct, which I suspect it is, and willpower is a limited resource, it's really obvious that the more pressure and restrictions and strain you put on yourself when you're trying to make a new habit and break old ones, the less the chance you have of achieving them, the more chance you have of rebounding and relapsing. This is why unsustainable crash diets just don't work. This is why anytime you feel like you're depriving yourself of something that you really want, you nearly always end up failing and falling into relapse. This is why in a 2014 study, almost 40% of people said they failed on their New Year's resolutions because the goal was too unsustainable or unrealistic.

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  And 10% said they failed because they had too many goals. This is why it's so important, as you think about what goals you're setting, to make sure that they are small enough and achievable enough to become sustainable without the need for major sacrifice, which will deplete your willpower reserves. And that is, that for me was a real revelation. Because I think about all the habits I've tried to set. You know, when I talked about Trying to get a six pack for summer. Think about what I said. I obsessively ate healthy food. I went to the gym every day for six months. My willpower eventually became depleted and I rebounded, rebounded like a yo-yo like you've never seen before. And this is why you shouldn't try and give up every bad habit that you have at the same time. This is why less goals increase the chance of completing all of your goals.

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  Because with too many big unrealistic sacrifice centric goals, your willpower will be under tremendous unsustainable strain. It will run out. You will fail and it will rebound. And this is also why so many psychologists and scientists have found that the best way to create a new habit isn't by depriving yourself of all rewards. That is totally counterproductive, according to the science. It's by finding new rewards, healthier rewards, less addictive rewards, but nonetheless, making sure that you still reward yourself in some way every day along the way. And I'm gonna do something that I didn't plan to do. I'm gonna give you a bonus rule number six, because this point, I've been talking

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  about ever since I learnt to, I think I've been pestering everyone. I saw Jay Shetty earlier on and I, I peppered him with it. Then I saw my assistant, I peppered her with it. I think the two guys in the room recording this podcast with me, I've peppered them with it as well. This is something that I thought was unbelievable, because it's so easy. It's so simple. It's a, it's a one second exercise, which the science has shown is tremendously effective in helping you to create a new habit. So bonus rule number six, the secret power of posing a question. I'm gonna give you one last short tip that I found buried within the scientific research that blew my mind and blew my mind again, so much so that I had to check it was true. It's called the question behaviour effect.

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  It's an incredible, simple phenomenon, in which asking people about performing a certain behaviour drastically influences whether they do it in the future or not. The effect has been shown to last for more than six months after you ask a simple question. You know, going back to one of the real pioneering pieces of research on this, a study published in the Journal of Consumer Psychology says, asking the right question is the key to behaviour change. So instead of telling someone else what to do, or if it relates to a goal you're trying to achieve for yourself, instead of just saying what you're going to do, For example, if you want to go to the gym, instead of saying, I want to go to the gym, or I'm going to go to the gym, it's way more effective, according to the science, to ask

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  yourself or a person a simple question, which is, are you going to go to the gym? Across repeated psychological studies, if an individual isn't exhibiting healthy behaviour, if they're then asked a question about that behaviour, or they ask themselves a question about that behaviour, it serves as a reminder of their choices. Direct questions in their studies influenced people to cheat less, to exercise more, to volunteer more, and to even recycle more. And the key here isn't to ask any question or to ask it in any way, it's to ask a question which encourages a definitive yes or no answer. Really interestingly, researchers found that the question behaviour effect was most effective

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  and most powerful when the question was administered via computer or a paper and pencil survey. And I guess you're wondering why that works. Why, why isn't it effective to say it to somebody? Why is it better when a, a medium that can't respond, that has a yes or no box on it, is more effective than asking your friend or yourself the same question? And there are several theories about why the question behaviour effect works, but most people believe it's related to something called cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is where your ideal self, the person you want to be, doesn't match up with your real self, which is who you actually are. So although you might want to be a healthy person, your behaviour, your actions might not be aligning with that, they might not be aligning with the actions of a fit, healthy person.

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  So if someone asks you the question, or if you ask yourself the question, are you going to go to the gym today? Saying no would cause a lot of mental discomfort. To ease your discomfort, you're likely going to say yes. Then, once you say yes, your prediction that you're going to exercise that day becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, because the question has reminded you of who you want to be. The path to becoming that person, are you going to go to the gym today? And you've set an intention to walk that path. It's, a simple question is a reminder, it delivers the path, and it gives you the opportunity to send a clear intention to yourself and to whoever else of what you're going to do. And the reason why this works even more effectively when answering yes or no to the

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  question, especially on a computer or a pen or a paper, is because these binary choices in a yes or no box, or on a computer, or on a piece of paper, wherever it might be. Don't allow for clarification and excuses, both of which we all know allow us to wiggle away from confronting the reality of who we want to be, the path of getting there and establishing an intention. While you might want to explain, you know, Steve, you know, I wanna, I might say to myself, you know, I plan on starting to exercise next month, or I'm gonna stop sugar next month, or I'll go to the gym once my schedule allows me to do so. A yes or no question doesn't give any room to create an excuse or justification and to deceive yourself. You need to commit. If it's yes or no, you need to commit one way or the other.

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  So the next time you're tempted to make excuses for your behaviour, and we all do it, I do it every day, or to lecture someone else about what they should do differently, try this instead. Try asking yourself, and I did this last night, it was 11:30pm at night or whatever, a long day, and I'm sat there in my little office upstairs and I think, I know I should go on the Peloton. I've not been on the Peloton in a little while. So I asked myself a question. I said, Stephen, are you gonna go on the Peloton? And like a bit of a weirdo, I replied to myself, yes. Use it on yourself. Ask yourself a clear yes or no question about an area of your life that you're struggling in daily to find motivation in. Or if you wanna help someone in an empathetic and effective way, instead of saying you should quit smoking,

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  you can raise the question with them and ask them, are you gonna quit smoking? Are you gonna apply for that new job? And ask them only for a yes or no answer, if you can. Obviously, remember to have empathy because sometimes questions come with them, something which isn't revealed unless the person reads between the lines, which is judgment. And we don't wanna, we don't wanna lead with judgment. That's not a good thing. But raising awareness, raising someone else's awareness of their behaviour with this gentle confrontation of their ideal self can lead to significant behaviour change. So with these six rules, here's my conclusive message to you.

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  Don't let the statistically high likelihood of failure with your goals and New Year's resolutions put you off trying, because the science also says that resolutions are effective. Set yourself up for success using the rules in this podcast. Please tell a friend. If you've got a friend in your life that is struggling with something, there's a habit they want to make or a habit they want to break, please share this podcast episode with them and hopefully it'll make change in someone's life. You know, I reflect on how that leaving that book at home accidentally had such a big accidental impact. And I give all the credit to my father for actually doing it. I accidentally left the book somewhere, which I had no intention of helping anyone, but he took that book, read it. And to think

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  an idea helped him to stop smoking, which is a goal that he had. For some people, they might love smoking and that's also fine. All of our goals are subjective. To think that he was able to shake a habit that was not good for his health is much of the reason why I'm doing this podcast, which is this realisation that one idea could be any of these six principles or something else that we've shared today could have that effect on someone that I'll never meet is the most rewarding reason for staying up. It's fairly late here. It's about 10pm at night and doing this podcast so soon before New Year's. And remember, and I think this is an important admittance, life is all about failing forward. You, like me, in all areas of your life will stumble, you'll hit hurdles, life will happen. That's completely inevitable. But hopefully with these principles in mind, you can pick

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  yourself back up again and again and again and again. And, you know, I've had to do this over and over again, in every habit that I've successfully formed and the habits that I'm still struggling to form, until such a time when the habits you're seeking to break have been broken and the habits you're seeking to make have been made. And your new behaviour is creating the life that you hope and desire to live. This is a never ending journey, which is something that I've clearly come to learn from my own struggles with forming new habits and breaking old ones. But regardless of the distance, differences and distinctions, it's important to know that we are all in this together. As a society, if you're more happy, productive and successful, then just by like a connective karma for us living

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  on the same planet, that will increase the chance of my life being happy, more productive and successful. We are all in this together. So. Help each other out, pull each other up and have empathy for those that are struggling the most because as one of my guests said to me on this podcast this year, the truth is, and when we think about that person in our life that's struggling with a habit, if you were them, if you had walked their path in their life and you had their DNA, the truth is you'd be doing exactly the same thing. So the best way to demonstrate your gratitude for being more fortunate in whatever subjective regard that you might be, is to lift up those who aren't. I wish you all the luck in the world for achieving

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  your goals this year. And in the spirit of the sixth bonus rule, and because I always end this podcast with a question, here's my very binary parting yes or no question to you that hopes to use the force of the question behavior effect to help you achieve some of your habits. My parting question is, are you going to achieve your goals this year? Yes or no? Thank you.