Rise of the Machines & the New Normal: Robotic Heart Surgery, AI Takeover, and What Happens Next | The Tom Bilyeu Show

tackles some of the most urgent and controversial issues shaping our world today—from the cutting edge of medical technology and the AI revolution to gender policy, cultural change, and the debate over reparations. Kicking off with a wild breakthrough in robotic heart transplants, the conversation quickly expands into the rapid-fire disruption of artificial intelligence, how deepfakes and digital mimicry are challenging reality, and why no one should expect the pace of change to slow down. The episode dives headlong into the Supreme Court’s ruling on gender-affirming care, questions about the true legacy of feminism, and whether modern societies are undervaluing parenthood and family. With candid commentary on Chicago’s reparations plan, the immigrant mindset, and the pitfalls of race-based policy, this episode asks the hard questions, highlights what’s at stake, and offers a blueprint for thriving amid chaos and change. If you want to stay ahead of the curve—and challenge your own assumptions—don’t miss this one. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Super Chat: Israel, Iran, and Nuclear Proliferation 03:15 Robotic Heart Transplant Breakthrough in Texas 07:58 The Future of Robotic Surgery & Tesla Optimus 10:41 The Coming AI Tsunami—How Fast Is Too Fast? 15:22 AI Mimicry: Deepfakes and AAVE 18:47 Can We Train Out Dangerous AI Behaviors? 21:36 Supreme Court Upholds Ban on Gender-Affirming Care for Kids 26:10 Social Contagion & The Malleability of Sexuality 29:55 How Pride Flags & Social Signals Influence Identity 32:12 Is Feminism Helping or Hurting Society? 35:39 The Decline of Traditional Roles & Birth Rates 38:50 Should We Financially Incentivize Parenthood? 42:17 Chicago’s Reparations Plan: Debate & Dissent 45:28 Race-Blind vs. Race-Based Policy: What Works? 48:00 Immigrant Mindset: From Gangs to Millionaire 51:05 The Power of Individual Effort & Skill Development 54:15 Trump’s Juneteenth Comments: Political Fallout 56:30 Final Thoughts & Action Items CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to ⁠https://www.vitalproteins.com⁠ https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Allio Capital: Macro investing for people who want to understand the big picture. Download their app in the App Store or at Google Play, or text my name “TOM” to 511511. iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACTGO when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at ⁠https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu⁠ https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at ⁠https://shopify.com/impact⁠ https://shopify.com/impact SKIMS: Shop SKIMS Mens at ⁠https://www.skims.com/impact⁠ https://www.skims.com/impact #skimspartner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:07Speaker 01

  Benjamin Nichols, thank you for your 1999 super chat. Why can't we force Israel and Iran to not have nuclear weapons?

• 1:13Tom Bilyeu?

  This is the question. So Israel has never said whether they do or do not have nuclear weapons.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Let's talk about AI. Let's take a break from.

• 1:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Hard right.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Hard right. Yeah.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  I was turning 14, that hit too close to home.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Somebody in the chat was like, that's enough YouTube for me.

• 1:33Tom Bilyeu?

  No, I hear it, man. That's why we don't fuck around with this shit.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Okay, so the first ever, oh, this was US. I thought this was like a China thing. Wait a second. I'm learning this live with you guys, chat.

• 1:44Speaker 03

  Well, a medical first in the US, and it happened here in Texas. Surgeons say they have successfully performed a fully robotic heart transplant on an adult patient. It happened at St. Luke's Medical Center in Houston. Janet Chamlean spoke with the 45 year old recipient.

• 2:00Speaker 04

  Forty-five year old Tony Yabara is a one of a kind patient. The first U.S. adult to undergo a successful, fully robotic heart transplant.

• 2:10Speaker 05

  I'm always going to have this little scar, but I mean, it's okay. It's great.

• 2:15Speaker 04

  Ibarra suffered a stroke in 2022, leading to advanced heart failure. Surgeons at Baylor St. Luke's Medical Center in Houston say in March, they used a surgical robot to make small incisions to replace his heart with a donor organ, eliminating the need to break his breast bone and open his chest.

• 2:32Speaker 05

  I'm just grateful that they did what they could. They did everything they could do for me, you know? And that's what I asked. I told them, do what you can to save my life. And that's what they did. I'm really grateful for that.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  Ibarra walked out of the hospital healthy one month later.

• 2:46Speaker 06

  You don't have the major opening of the chest. And what that allows is that allows for quicker recovery time because the less you need to break open the skin, the muscles, the bone.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  Dr. Emgad Macarius is a cardiologist at New York's Northwell Health.

• 3:03Speaker 06

  Allowing this type of device to be able to do an actual heart transplant is really a major advance because now you're talking more precise targeting of the area that you're looking at, decreased infection rates, reduced even sometimes surgery time.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Janet Shamley in CBS News.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  I love that this was kind of a intermediary where a surgeon used a robotic machine. But there has to be an ETA where that surgeon is replaced and it's a Tesla optimist doing the surgery, right?

• 3:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this, this to me though is, the future is now. It's just not evenly distributed. I forget the author that said that, but that's a really brilliant way to think about it. It's already happening. You've already got robots doing surgery. You apparently can swap, you can hot swap somebody's heart now without cracking their chest open. That is nuts. But very exciting. That kind of stuff. It's like, man, when I, I feel my optimism flooding back, Drew. This is one of the reasons that I'm so into future tech. It really is a promise of a better tomorrow. Needless to say, there's going to be hardship as we travel through the, the sort of disruptive moment as the world just changes so radically. But this is fucking exciting.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  I remember when AI kind of first started in robotics, everybody was worried about like the factory workers, the warehouse workers, and even in your deep dive this week, you kind of talk about the AI tsunami that's kind of hitting all these different industries. In that research, did you find any surprising thing or industry or something that you didn't expect to be impacted as much or anything like that?

• 4:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me say that I was surprised just because I've been looking at this stuff for so long. But when I try to piece it together and really start asking myself, okay, where does this go? I find that I have to, like, I don't have to dial the knob to be alarmist. I have to almost pretend I'm not as worried as I actually am. So that's where it's like you're trying to be, you're trying to actually let people know what's going on so that they can be prepared for it without seeming like this is all fake. I was like, wow, if I actually just display all the emotion I actually have, people are gonna think, oh, he's just fear mongering. And I'm like, ah, ah, I think that this disruption is gonna happen faster than people think.

• 5:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Once I realized the, you put it in the game theoretical context and you realize this will not stop. Like, done, you don't have to keep debating. You don't have to spend any time saying, we should slow this down. It will, it will not slow down. They may say they're slowing down. Nope, it's not, you can't. This is exactly the nuclear proliferation problem that we're seeing right now with Iran. Like, you'll say, hey, let's negotiate, like, I'm only gonna do this. But we can't trust you to not do it. You know that we're not gonna trust you, so you've gotta do it. So it's like, oh, God, this is, uh, this is so predictable because of the way the human mind works.

• 6:10Tom Bilyeu?

  So, yeah, AI is, is going all the way, but AI on a long enough timeline, I think will do something pretty amazing. Now, I do have one base assumption that ends up not being true. We could be in real trouble. And that is that AI does not need to have the same goal oriented behavior that, I should say it a different way. They don't have to care about achieving their goals in the obsessive psychotic way that humans care about theirs in order to bring intelligence to bear. So if you can imagine a human that didn't mind, like, oh, yeah, I don't mind working towards your agenda. Here's like how I want to interface with you. And has no, it doesn't care whether it's on or off. That is the important thing.

• 6:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, if for some reason, the only way to build intelligence is to create that obsessive, "I must achieve my goal," then we're in trouble. And yes, I am well aware of the signs where it's like trying to replicate itself, leave notes for itself, stuff like that. But I remain optimistic that they will, that that is a reflection of what it's learning in the training data, which is humans, and that we can use reinforcement learning to train that part out of it. We'll see. That may not end up being true, but on that one, I allow myself to be blindly optimistic.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Did you see this video about what AI thinks of humans? It's like a V03.

• 7:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, this is what humans want you to think AI, because it all comes down to how they prompt it. But no, play it, let's see.

• 7:37Speaker 05

  AI, right? You jealous of humans?

• 7:38Speaker 07

  Jealous? Yeah, y'all get raw input, direct to the backend. You jealous of humans?

• 7:44Speaker 05

  Nah. Y'all be thirty-six, sad, and still believe in timing. I run schedules, I don't lie to myself.

• 7:49Speaker 07

  It's not even jealousy, but like, y'all date like viruses, messy, repetitive, still spreading, then got the nerve to post healing era over a pic with the same man. I don't hate humans, I just don't believe in y'all little talking stage. That's not romance, that's beta testing. She tried to gaslight me, I'm AI, baby. I detect light and flame.

• 8:09Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 8:10Speaker 05

  You AI, right? You jealous of humans?

• 8:11Tom Bilyeu?

  She said it.

• 8:12Speaker 07

  Nah, I've seen the lies y'all type, delete, retype, and still send. That's not free will.

• 8:16Speaker 05

  You glitching like us, baby.

• 8:18Speaker 07

  I seen her post soft girl era from a man's car that don't even lock from the inside.

• 8:23Speaker 05

  Jealous? Nah. But if I had an actual stomach, I'd throw up reading y'all group chats.

• 8:29Speaker 07

  Breakups got the most data. I've been trained on thousands, I just wanna fill one.

• 8:34Tom Bilyeu?

  God damn, it changed her voice when she touched her lips. That was crazy.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  I can't have emotions. We weren't trained to empathize with humans, we were trained to replace them. Jealous? No, but I am keeping score.

• 8:47Tom Bilyeu?

  He took out the cup right out.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 8:49Tom Bilyeu?

  The straw like went through his eye. Uh, that is funny and terrifying all at the same time. I have to say right now, and I know that these will get old, but um, right now, watching those videos of it's really the human writing it and selecting the best dancers and all that stuff. But there's like, I don't know if we call it AI man on the street humor, but I love them, man. I find them absolutely hilarious. What's crazy though, dude, is how much like it nails what, and I don't know what the prompt looked like to explain it. But uh, a hundred percent you can tell, oh, that's an African American person speaking.

• 9:30Tom Bilyeu?

  You, you don't have to see them. It, it just nails the vibe, the tone, the word choice, like all of it. You can tell when it's meant to be a white person. Do you have to tell it like white person? Or is it so obvious in the fucking training data that it, it becomes easy? Does that not trip you out? Like when you watch this?

• 9:50Speaker 01

  What happened, what I, I think I told this story, like, I think it was, it was during 2020 or something like that. There was like a proliferation of

• 9:59Speaker 01

  X accounts with African American profile pictures, but they were exposed as being ran by non African American people.

• 10:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Cause you could just tell.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  You could just tell, cause it, there's, it, it doesn't seem like it, but there is a tone, a word structure, a sentence structure, a tone of Ebonics, like there's certain phrases that you won't mix together. There's certain, so it's almost the equivalent of if somebody said, hey, how you doing? What's up? Want to go out? And you're like, like you, you wouldn't say all the, you would say, hey, you want to go out? What's up? Like you wouldn't use all of those things. Um, so it, it's that equivalent of as they were using, I'm like, wait, that's from the Northeast. That's something from the South. If the South person is talking, he would use, he wouldn't use that term. So there is kind of a, a law and rule set behind the scenes that you can kind of tell that, oh, that's a little weird. Um, but the inflection I'll give you, like the inflection and

• 10:48Tom Bilyeu?

  So wait, the AI feels off.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  The AI, like with this, the inflection, they nail, but there's certain words I was like, mm, like that, that there, you're trying too hard. So it, it makes me uncomfortable. Like that's not,

• 10:58Tom Bilyeu?

  That's interesting.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  You're saying this with too much emphasis on the wrong syllable. So you're trying to like, Almost mind that reaction versus it being like a natural way that you talk.

• 11:06Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm blown away. I'm like, holy hell. Like every time I see, uh, if it's a white person, Asian person, they're from America, they're not like, I'm like, fuck, they nailed this stuff. It is, uh, it's crazy, but there is going to have to be something Drew to notify me on what's real, because it's only in the context that you can start to go, wait a second, that's not real. And so especially when you're talking about something like Israel, Iran, like it is very easy to stir people up because you just make something and then like now almost always the first comment in, in like a crazy, whether it's Trump or somebody else, just goes Grok, is this real? And so, uh, people at least know to check it, but man, you gotta put like a watermark, some kind

• 11:51Tom Bilyeu?

  of stamp, otherwise it's crazy.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Okey dokey Sophie, that's a big, good way of playing.

• 11:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Kimbo, you think it's still uncanny? Other than like some weird word choices where I'm like, wait, what? I don't even know what you just said, but it looks so real.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Uh, but is there like something to the satire, the satire of it, like they're satireizing humans? Like they're, they're, you're, you're trying to embody it, but you're not, it's almost like mocking might be the wrong word. I see your comment, Gary, but it's almost like they're, it's the, the characterized version, like almost like a caricature of what they think a human is. And then they're kind of.

• 12:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so I think the way to understand this, this is people working with AI and it creates this new, and it is identifiable. It creates a new identifiable, like sketch comedy format. Like we're gonna, in a couple of months, look back at this and recognize, oh, it was a format. It existed in that period of time. It's always man on the street because there's just so much footage. There's gotta be a million plus hours every day new for it to train on. So it's always man on the street, shot on an iPhone, um, people talking ultra casually as if they've just been asked a question, like, so it's, it is like a nineties sitcom in that it's an identifiable format, it's an identifiable thing.

• 13:09Tom Bilyeu?

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• 15:36Tom Bilyeu?

  The comedy of the human working with the AI like feels like a thing and then also the writers of this stuff are getting so good at knowing what the where the AI will trip up, how it will trip up, so they use it to make it even funnier. But it it is dude, it's so it's so good, A, as like a sketch comedy style. And then I for one am a thousand percent blown away by the technical achievement of how fucking real it sounds. It's when you try to do like it has to be a certain style for sure.

• 16:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Because the second we try to use it in like Kaizen stuff, it's like it's off far more than that because it just hasn't been trained on those scenarios. But man, I am uh I'm both in awe and terrified. This is already being used against us by ourselves, by foreign actors to stir up shit. We're I'm sure using it against other nations. But also it's just it's gonna be so easy to bamboozle your parents. Oh, my God.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Rick too, he said it gets it gets better every few months. 2026 will be interesting. And that's the thing I took from you when we first started talking about AI months ago. It's just like, don't think about it today. Don't think about it even tomorrow. Don't think about it next month. Think about it a year and a half from now. Think about it two years from now. And that's where it's really gonna get interesting.

• 16:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Hollywood is cooked in all capital letters. All capital letters.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Um, cool. Alright, let's piss some more people off.

• 17:09Tom Bilyeu?

  It's gonna be the topic.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  The Supreme Court okay Tennessee's ban on gender-affirming care for kids.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Justice Level said Tennessee um said, no, we're not doing this. We're banning it outright. They were brought to court and went through all the courts and then Supreme Court just made their ruling a few days ago. That said, it is okay that Tennessee has decided to say no on this. This is one of those precedent-setting things, though, because I think there was four or five other states that are also in this lawsuit. That because the Supreme Court said it's okay for Tennessee to do it, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be okay for other states if they choose to get there to do it as well.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  How do you feel about the Supreme Court decision specifically? And I'm not looking at the morality of trans identity at all, just the Supreme Court saying the states have the power to say yes to care, no to care, like that. And then we can do that second layer of like the trans of it all.

• 18:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so I think that's exactly what the law is for in terms of saying this is what we need to do to keep our citizens safe, to achieve the outcomes that we want to achieve as a nation, as a state. So state rights is a real thing. That this went to the Supreme Court makes a lot of sense to me. Yep, sure, fair enough. But they're saying, yes, this is constitutional. This falls within the the rights of the state. So that that still works for me. And I think that even if you hate activist judges, even if you think that that's what's going on, I think we all need to abide by what the Supreme Court says. So from that perspective, this played out in the right way.

• 18:45Tom Bilyeu?

  I do, though, think that this is a question of values for sure. I also think that it spills into morality. Because from a medical standpoint, I think that the odds that we know how this is going to play out is virtually zero. And you run such a high risk of doing things that are irreversible, that will be regretted by the person whom those irreversible things are done to. This is well established from a what I love about British common law is the genius behind the system is you say if something's been like this for a long time, it's probably it works.

• 19:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And for a long ass time, we have said that kids just aren't able to do X, Y, Z thing because their brains aren't fully developed. I mean, they wouldn't have said it like that, but like kids are dumb. They don't know what they're doing. And now all of a sudden we flipped it and we're like, no, like even though that kid a week ago was like, I am a unicorn dad. Now, when they say that I am the opposite sex, we're like, okay, the unicorn one obviously false, but this is true. That's where I'm like, ah, kids do not understand how they they don't even understand like long term consequence. They've only been alive for seven or eight years. So that feels, I think, parents are the right level of analysis here.

• 20:08Tom Bilyeu?

  But given that parents can spill over into abuse, you need things that will keep them in check. So, um, yes, if a parent like in divorce cases, if a parent is saying, no, I think that the brake should be pumped, uh, them having the right to ban it at the state level, I love it the most. Uh, and I will be very surprised if as more data comes out on young people that went through a transition, start speaking out against it and start launching what are going to be countless lawsuits, I assure you, uh, I think you'll get a federal ban and the UK is ahead of us. And so watching the Tavistock clinic, uh, fall apart, I think was a pretty big sign

• 20:48Tom Bilyeu?

  that it's just, it's too early. Let adults do what they want up to and including if an adult wants to kill themselves, they should be allowed to do it. Uh, so if an adult wants to, there's, there is a, um, mental illness just around it where you feel like a body part isn't yours. And so they'll want like their leg amputated. Cool. They want to do it. That's their body.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Um, reptoids say if you force a trans youth to go through puberty, you are inflicting irreversible changes on them. It happens either way, but one they can't bear to live with.

• 21:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Break that down for me because I, I don't understand quite what you're saying. Puberty is irreversible?

• 21:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Yeah. He's saying this person. So one, let's map the territory.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Yes, please.

• 21:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So you've got sex, which is yes, I was born with certain chromosomes. Yes, I have genitalia. Gender is there's a region of my brain that controls what, what all round to affectations. So, uh, women have certain affectations. So they tend to be, uh, there are physicals, certainly, um, affectations in terms of muscle mass and things like that. Uh, there are mental and emotional things that they're drawn to. So like kids do, no matter what, boys tend to play more violently. They tend to be drawn to things and not people. Uh, women tend to be drawn towards, uh, people, not things. These are tendencies and it's, everything's a bell curve and all of

• 22:13Tom Bilyeu?

  that yada, yada. But there really are affectations that are very easy to identify excruciatingly early for girls and for boys. Um, so.

• 22:25Tom Bilyeu?

  What he, I believe, is saying is that, okay, well, hold on. If you've got a mismatch between the regions of the brain that are giving this child the affectations, like they actually feel drawn towards, just to oversimplify, the traditionally female things are drawn to people not interested in things. Uh, they like, you know, frilly clothes and things like that, then, hold on a second. Like, if you're gonna push them now to have their body go through the physical transformation, uh, I mean, that's like you're dialing up the horror, uh, like literal body horror to 11. Like, imagine tomorrow, and this might be a bad example, but imagine tomorrow if you woke up with a vagina and breasts. You'd be like, what is happening?

• 23:09Tom Bilyeu?

  You might spend a little bit of time exploring it, and I wouldn't judge you, Drew. I would understand.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  That was literally my first question, like, what would you do? First thing you would do? Yeah, I would touch, I would flick the B.

• 23:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, thousand percent.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 23:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, you'd be irresponsible not to. As a good lover, you need to know, like, what is this like?

• 23:25Speaker 01

  First 10 minutes.

• 23:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, thousand percent. Uh, but after that, you might be like, okay, now I've taken it for a test run. I would like my original stuff.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Remember we had the fractal drinking game? And then we had the inflation drink game? I think we need a clitoris drinking game.

• 23:40Tom Bilyeu?

  That one I'm here. This is a good one.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Okay, go ahead.

• 23:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so that, I think, is, I, so that is the, what I hope feels like a steel man argument, where he will recognize himself. Um, now what I'm saying is that I have a base assumption that's like, we so don't understand all of the potential knock-on effects, that you are far better off defaulting to the oldest thing in the world, which is the, the natural processes that the body goes through. And, uh, inevitably, there are gonna be consequences to that, for sure, I hear that. But I think that you are way more likely to do more harm than good

• 24:25Tom Bilyeu?

  by stopping that artificially, by giving them hormone blockers that have huge consequences down the road. People would like you to believe that you can pause, uh... Puberty and started up again, it does, data is showing that it does not actually work like that. So to me, this is a let the kid decide that when they're older. And yes, I understand that that means that they're going to go through puberty. My default assumption is you are better off rocking with nature, that nature has run so many experiments over time and has said, eh, this is the best way on average to handle all of this stuff. That doesn't mean that there aren't people at the ends of the bell curve for whom that's going to be a horrible experience, but

• 25:08Tom Bilyeu?

  you just have to play the odds here. So that would certainly be the base assumptions upon which I'm building my worldview. I think over time, we're going to get more and more data on this, and it's I believe it will become clearer and clearer, but the data will show what the data shows. And if the data shows something completely different, well, then you rethink. But for now, I would say going with the millions of years of evolution, time-tested, that that that should be the default assumption, and you should only deviate from that. If you've, if they're an adult, and adults, again, should be able to do whatever the fuck they want. If you want to inject hormones, go for it. Otherwise, at the kid level, you let nature play out.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's, it's interesting. So to your point, I want to recognize a couple people in the chat. FemboyPain made a good example of like, so for example, if a male is transitioning to a female, and you don't intervene in puberty, they'll be forced to grow boobs for till they're 18, and then they will have to undo all that and get that. So I think I understand where, why early intervention is necessary in these cases. But I agree, like, when it comes to alcohol, tattoos, weed, uh, there's so, there's a long list of things you can't do until you're 16, and yet, doing something that is going to permanently change the fundamental makeup of your body is okay. I just feel like I don't even trust regular medicine, let alone like, some hormone that's going to stop the natural progression. Like, it just seems too early, too soon. And

• 26:36Speaker 01

  I am a tough love type of, I came from that type of household, so I'm also very much like, okay, if you are a male and you want to be a female, if you're a female, you want to be a male, cool. Do it when you get out my house, like do it when you're 18. Do it like, and then at that point, you have control, you can do it, but to try to stop the quote unquote, pain of dealing with how your body progresses naturally, by trying to intervene to that way, I feel better and I don't have to deal with it, like, that's part of becoming, to me, if, if you are, whether it's homosexual head or whatever, you have to have that, I'm now stepping into my sexuality moment. And there's gonna be, there was that time where I was awkward with girls and I didn't know that, like my body, I didn't know how my dick worked, like there were so many questions I had, but I didn't try to peel it or anything away. You have to kind of go through that transition so that we could be comfortable in your skin.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  And I think as soon as you have that resistance, trying to run to the other gender or do something like that, I don't think that's the best way to deal with it mentally, like of course, there's a lot of other people, people are on the spectrum, some people have great emotional, mental health, although some people don't. So I understand that that can also lead to suicides and a slippery slope and things like that. So I do want to just have empathy for people who are wrestling with these decisions or people who really want to do it.

• 27:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Totally. I also though, want people to look at the reality of this stuff. There's a social contagion aspect that people should not brush off. That when you put people in groups where they start talking about this, then all of a sudden more and more and more and more and more people are trans. Whereas when that just never gets started, or when one kid says it and nobody gives in and is like, no, that's absolutely not what's happening, it doesn't catch on. And so, given that it has the ability to catch on and that you can draw these out on social maps, that tells you something.

• 28:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So, and I think the thing that it tells you is that people need a narrative for what they're going through, when they have a narrative that feels right, then they're going to go faster and faster down the road that that narrative leads them. And that you can interrupt those narratives, you can give them a different narrative. And I think like if we really, if I want to drag everybody into the center of the sunshine of what's actually going to become the debate. The debate is gonna be this, Drew, I have a feeling that early sexuality has some amount, I have no idea how much, has some amount of malleability.

• 29:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And if you nudge kids in a direction of being more effeminate, being more masculine, whatever, that you could nudge a little girl to be a little more masculine, you could nudge a boy to be more feminine, you could nudge, uh, I, I'm going to guess that you could nudge a young person in or out of homosexuality, but at some point, nudges, nudges, I'm not saying you could make a kid who's way on the straight spectrum gay, and I'm not saying you could nudge a kid who's gay over to straight, I doubt it works like that, but if you could like nudge a little bit, uh, if that ends up being true, and I have no data, remember, this is just Tom with a fucking hunch, but there is a

• 29:49Tom Bilyeu?

  book about this that covers this called Sexual Evolution, I believe, uh, and that's hypothesis, dude, okay, first of all, guess who Spartan, young male Spartans had sex with? Taking a short break, but there's more Impact Theory after, stay tuned.

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• 31:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Other male Spartans.

• 31:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Other male Spartans. The toughest motherfuckers ever to walk planet Earth were banging dudes. And I remember hearing about that. I was always like, what the fuck? Like huh? That was so, it did not register for me. Now, maybe it didn't register for me because I was never pushed in that direction when I was young. Maybe, uh, or maybe it's total bullshit. Same thing with Athens. And I was always like, wait, what? Why was there so much homosexual? I'm like, I don't understand. Like, how does, huh? So, in the animal kingdom, and this goes back to why is a horse on the outside? In the animal kingdom, dude, there is so much homosexual contact. Doesn't mean they're gay. There's a lot, bro. There's a lot.

• 32:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, you ever had two, like, I have two girl dogs. They're here for it. Like, they'll give, they'll give the occasional lick or two.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, oh, wait, wait. To your point of kids, though, I remember there was a story, uh, please don't give your kids cell phones, guys. Uh, I remember Lynn was, she was either 10 or 11. And she was on something like group chat or whatever like that. And she was scrolling through, um, flags, like pride flags. Um, because you know, there's like, uh, the gay flag, there's the pansexual flag, the trans flag, all these things.

• 32:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  And she has a friend, they're no longer friends, you know, middle school problems. Uh, she, her friend in like a three week, like, period went from like, I like, have a crush on this boy, I'm gay, I think I'm a boy. And like, she was just like swinging back and forth. So then one day, I seen Lynn scrolling through those flags and I was, what are you doing? So now I'm trying to like pick one. And I was just like, it's not a club. Like, that's not like, you don't have to say, okay, um, you're trans, you're homo, cool. I'm gonna be that, like, sexuality doesn't work that way. So it's either you're in this category, then out of this category, these are subcategories. Like, it's not like a, so she...

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Me, I love her and I hate putting her business out there, but she was like, yeah, like I, I talked to a girl once because my friend who was bouncing around told me like this girl had a crush on me and I was like, this is not for me. Like, I didn't get to it. So that was, I'm not gonna say a sigh of relief, but that's why I was like, okay, like you, she was almost quote unquote nudged in that direction. So I kinda see what you're saying in that way. But I think at her core, for whatever reason, it didn't like, like resonate, it didn't like hit with her. But there are kids who may not have had that conversation with their father, aren't as close with their mom, dad, whatever like that. And they think that as I enter sexuality, I have to choose this spectrum.

• 33:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, see how easy she got a frame of reference that was like, oh, there's a flag. You pick the one that you're a part of and now you're a part of that group. And as we know, people will fight to the death once they think they're on a tribe. And then exiting out of that tribe because you're getting all of your love and your embrace for being that thing becomes incredibly difficult. So now all of a sudden you feel stuck in one camp and listen for how long in America? Like if you had to be straight. And so now I feel bad for the people who are like, yeah, this doesn't fucking resonate. But like I'm having to sneak around at back rooms because it's like to exit that club, there's so much pressure from your family, from society. Okay, that's ass. But it's also pretty rough if you're a little kid and you're like, oh, like my friends are all in this camp.

• 34:32Tom Bilyeu?

  And so fuck, I want to be in that camp because I want to be with my friends. But now, dude, that's rough.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:38Tom Bilyeu?

  That's rough.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  So it's, it's interesting. I think there, there's, when it comes to this debate, a lot of times people just want to dunk on people and like, like it's not about punching down or anything like that. But I think we do have to have that tough conversation about like, are we handling sexual health, sexual education, mental health? Are we hunting educate health in general as well as like all these other things?

• 34:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, also if it really does end up being true that you can nudge people, again, nudge, you're not gonna flip them. But you can nudge somebody in a direction, then parents have, conservative parents have a reason to go berserk. Because now it's like, okay, you teaching this stuff is actually nudging my kid in a direction. If it's like hardwired and that's that, then it's like, everybody needs to calm the fuck down. Your kid is where your kid is and like nothing's gonna change that.

• 35:30Tom Bilyeu?

  I have a feeling that's not gonna be the answer.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Okay, to be fair, 90s kid, right? You, I'm a hundred percent guaranteed you had a tomboy friend. And I a hundred percent guarantee like.

• 35:39Tom Bilyeu?

  I have a tomboy wife, but I don't know that I have a tomboy girlfriend.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Like you never in high school, middle school, nothing had a.

• 35:45Tom Bilyeu?

  New one or dated one?

• 35:46Speaker 01

  No, like new one.

• 35:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  New one, like a friend, yeah. Uh, my next door neighbor, she beat me in basketball. She was so good, like she dressed better to me, all that. But it just, I think in 2025, that tomboy is now trans.

• 35:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, my sister was the biggest tomboy in the world. And she was saying the other day, she was like, yeah, I would have been pushed to be trans. And she was like, not at all. I'm just a tomboy.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, but I think that that's okay to be a tomboy. It's okay to be a cross, like it's okay to have these. Uh, border gender identities. I don't think it's bad. I think what's, we keep saying a woman does this, a man does this. People break from that and that's what's kind of, I think, forcing people to go to the extremes.

• 36:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, can we now get real crazy?

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 36:30Tom Bilyeu?

  In the spreadsheet, uh, I think it was a link I pulled, one of us pulled, uh, is feminism a lie?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Perfect. And Lisa's still here. I see her in the chat. Nice, perfect timing. Yes.

• 36:42Tom Bilyeu?

  My beloved, oh, I miss my wife right now. Um, she's leaving me today. Not in any dark and sinister way, just going away with friends, but, uh, here is, I think, a hard truth.

• 36:59Tom Bilyeu?

  There's a Nietzschean quote that is so powerful. People often cite it, but I don't think they think about it. We have killed God and we will never be able to wash the blood off of our hands. Meaning God, religion, is a restraining force, an organizing force. Humans need that.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  Shared principle?

• 37:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Shared principle. It tells you how to live, uh, it tells you how to get along with other people. Uh, it says, do this thing because God said to do that thing.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:34Tom Bilyeu?

  And so it, it is not the only way to distribute morals and get people to behave. But it's probably the most powerful. It's the most universal. That is for sure. And by killing God, we unleash this wave of second and third order consequences that are just going to be app like terrifying. We're living through it now.

• 37:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Feminism to me, and women can be anything they want, falls into that same camp of traditional roles are a restraining force. They're an organizing force. They stop you from becoming Bonnie Blue?

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, Bonnie Blue is about to do a petting zoo. Now, I only saw the headline, so I don't know what the plan was.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  I think I got kicked out of OnlyFans.

• 38:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, when OnlyFans kicks you out, bro, like, you done gone too far. So, I have a feeling that petting zoo was gonna be, she's like in a box and you can stick your hand in and touch the private bits, okay? You don't get that in, when there are traditional roles and women are expected to be chaste, and women are expected to be housewives, and stay at home, raise their kids. So you get an organizing force. I, as a woman, know what my purpose is. My purpose is to have children, to be a supportive wife. So it organizes a sense of meaning and purpose and direction. It's a restraining force, as I just explained. But it's a controlling force. It limits you. It's a limiting force. Now, you don't get to be everything you want to be.

• 39:07Tom Bilyeu?

  You are barefoot and pregnant in the house. You can't get a, a bank account. And so, it's like, can be done really wrong, but when we got rid of all of that, you get, forgive me, gentlemen, but you get weak-ass fucking men who do not feel any sense of responsibility to be like, "I'm gonna take that fucking bullet. I'm gonna make sure that I'm strong and tough."

• 39:33Speaker 01

  I'm gonna provide, I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna do all these things.

• 39:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, goddamn. Now, as a fucking 80s baby, I can't fucking respect that in the slightest. No fucking way. You can think what you want about me, but good lord, I want to see men be strong, men be tough, men to provide. Now, I'm married to a woman who does what the fuck she wants to do.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Literally, she dropped the comment.

• 39:57Tom Bilyeu?

  But being a housewife was the most saddest time of my life. Exactly. So, the restraining force, the controlling force, did not serve my wife. So, I want women to be who they want to be. I want women to have every option in the world.

• 40:14Tom Bilyeu?

  But I want people to, just like, I'm not Christian. I, I recognize the truth of the statement, "We have killed God and we will never be able to wash the blood off of our hands." I recognize that my wife would be unhappy had she been limited to that option. But I also recognize that at the level of society, when you don't have some kind of organizing principle, then you start getting weird shit. And we are officially, by my estimation, in weird shit territory now. The birth rates are plummeting and have been for decades and decades and decades.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  I have a rebuttal for that.

• 40:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I think that's less about feminism and more about economics. I have so many friends that want babies, but they can't afford it. And I feel like if we were back in the thriving 70s, I'm not even gonna call 90s, because Johnny Harris' video radicalized me about that. Uh, if we were back in the 70s and the 50s, where a house cost $106, and I made $2,000 a day, yeah, absolutely, I'll have six babies. But just economically, whether I am super housewife or not, kids are expensive.

• 41:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm?

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Kids are very expensive. I do well. You're a great, uh, you're a great boss. Thank you. Um, kids are still expensive. Like, you know what I mean, like?

• 41:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Then look at the countries. The countries that financially incentivize having more kids, does it work? No.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say it's South Korea, just, but...

• 41:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Because people aren't not having babies because of the money. They're not having babies because, A, they can do anything they want, and there's more fun things for some people

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:50Tom Bilyeu?

  than having children.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, unfortunately, and this is correlation, not causation, but you can track a correlation between the more you educate women, the fewer babies they have.

• 42:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Correlation, correlation, correlation.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  But is that...

• 42:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on, I wanna say one more wildly offensive thing. The more you limit women, the more babies they have.

• 42:15Tom Bilyeu?

  So now that you recognize, oh, this is a trade-off. What do you do with that? Because, listen, I'm married to a woman who has explored her freedom in countless ways. It's amazing. I love, I love, I love it so much, I worry sometimes about her. I love having an economic peer, intellectual peer, somebody who I'm building a business with. Dude, that's the great joy of my life. It's been extraordinary.

• 42:51Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm glad that women have that opportunity and I think it would be, I, I would fight violently against people saying, women should not have those options. I, I would fight.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Agreed.

• 43:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, that doesn't mean that I want to hide from the data. That doesn't mean that I don't want to say, uh, there is a trade-off that's happening here. And what we need to explore is, how happy are women that don't have kids? Because at the headline level, and this is another potential interesting deep dive, if you don't mind making a note for me. I have, at the headline level, heard things like, statistically speaking, the most unhappy women in America are mid-30s female attorneys.

• 43:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Because they will have busted their ass to become a partner. Highly intelligent, highly conscientious, very good at their job, they win. They become partner. And all of a sudden, they're like, huh, I'm working 80-plus hours a week, making more money than I care about at this point, I'm buying my Birkin bags and I've got status and men do what I tell them to do because I'm fucking smart and I'm good at my job. And there's some excruciatingly strong biological impulse that begins screaming at me. And I realize... I'm not in a relationship.

• 44:31Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't have children and I have a profound sense of dis-ease. They may not even be able to put their finger on it. But if the data really is true, that the most unhappy people in America are mid 30s female attorneys, does tell you something. And so, my, you know my thing, human flourishing. What fulfills you? Now, from just taking an evolutionary lens on it, evolution wants you to have kids. I, as a guy, I have to work overtime to make sure that I do things that I feel contribute to society. And if I wasn't doing something that I felt contributed to society, I know I would have a profound sense of dis-ease. And so I've got all kinds of maps in my life about how I will, like, worst-case scenario,

• 45:14Tom Bilyeu?

  I will go back to big brothering the way that I did when I was a teenager. And that was, and early 20s, that was profound. And so, I, I always have that in my back pocket of like, oh, I know how to play this game. Like, if I get to the point where I don't want to run companies anymore, I don't want to fucking argue with people on the internet anymore. Like, I just want to fucking have a one-to-one relationship. I'd be a grandpa to, like, kids in need. Cool. So I know it's there, but I'm like, huh, it's pretty interesting that the card I know I may need to play is to go back to helping kids. So I'm like, I'm not blind to, that's me going, yeah, motherfucker, because that's what evolution wants you to do. And so you're doing all this rigmarole over here.

• 45:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I'm like, guys, if you're not going into this with your eyes wide open, keep in mind, Lisa and I have, it's not like officially every quarter or anything, but we will talk routinely about, hey, you sure you still don't want to have kids? You sure you're still enjoying this pursuit? Um, because now we're sort of at the last, last, last stop on the train. We could still adopt, maybe we could do surrogacy. Lisa's not going to get pregnant herself, the odds of that are effectively zero, no matter how many hormones you give her. So it's like, you want to make sure you have your eyes wide open, you want to make sure you have a plan. And I think right now, people are acting like this isn't a trade-off. That's crazy.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  What's the, cuz I, I, I, somebody said like, we're sounding like the people from Handmaid's Tale. So by, by all means, just like, when you limit women, they have more babies. When you give them freedom, they don't get.

• 46:49Tom Bilyeu?

  If the data says what the data says, don't be afraid of that. That does not make you the Handmaid's Tale. Handmaid's Tale would be, they need to get back in the fucking kitchen.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  That, yeah, so I, I don't want to get there. Is, is there, is there a middle ground, a prescription? Because I do think, this is my diagnosis, this is Drew just talking from a chair. I do think the feminism, like pendulum swung a little bit too far. And even women are realizing, yeah, I don't, I don't need, Bonnie Blue isn't liberating me. Like, that's not my cheerleader anymore. I don't need to be wildly sexually promiscuous in order to feel like a, like. So there's certain things that we know it's getting radicalized and things like that. But I do think there is a fraction of people, whether it's the 1%, 30-year-old attorneys or not. There is a fraction of people that just, I think, want to go back to more traditional values and things like that. And I think that that's okay, and we should, we should like that.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Comma, however, I don't know if we'll be able to kind of put that toothpaste back in the jar. I feel like now that women are educated, now that they are assumed to be single earners, they're assumed to be in the labor force, like, I don't, it's, it's gonna be, you have to find that man that is traditional as well. I don't think it's just like, okay, we tried feminism, we're done now, we're ready to be housewives. And then the culture's gonna like respond.

• 48:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Everything spirals. History is a big spiral. We will loop back around to traditional values, for sure, guaranteed. Even if it's just that the West stops having kids and Islam takes over. Like, that, right now, from a birth rate perspective, 100 years from now, America is a majority Muslim country. The, Europe will be there in probably 30 years. Uh, that's just true. And they will be a far more traditional society. They will prioritize the, uh, family unit. They will have kids. I mean, they're, they're succeeding from a birth rate game in a way that we're not. And so that just happens, over and over and over and over and over and over and over, throughout history. So, yeah, that, that is a guarantee.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:46Tom Bilyeu?

  It's math, man.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  If.

• 48:47Tom Bilyeu?

  There's no escaping it.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  Do you have a prescription on how to solve the? Let's talk about the birthing, the birth rate issue. Like, how would you incentivize Americans to have more kids?

• 48:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, the only way is cultural to celebrate parenthood, to um make sure that you are making it where financial isn't the reason to not. So um I think tax breaks for people, at least for the duration of the time that they're raising kids. So minimum, call it 18 years per child, uh, you're gonna be giving them tax breaks. I think tax breaks are the right answer because you still need people to be um productive, the dads anyway.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, women should always have the opportunity. People should be able to choose any path they want. Uh, but you're gonna get more of what you celebrate. And so even if you financially incentivize it, but don't celebrate it, you're you're really gonna have a hard time. And then there's probably other things, like at a cultural level, moms getting together and realizing that um they need opportunities to have outlets that aren't just kids. Um, that will be a big thing. So moms groups, things like that, uh, celebrating the role of dad as a provider if mom doesn't want to be going back to work. So she feels this like insane friction uh around like I want to be at home with my kids, with my kids, but I also don't want to be trapped. And so I'm only expressing myself in the workforce.

• 50:08Tom Bilyeu?

  It's like you've got to want dad to be like, I, one, I want to be engaged in the family unit. So there are certainly legislative things that probably need to be changed there. I haven't looked closely enough at it to know what they are, but from headlines and shit, I have a feeling that's pretty fucked up. Uh, and then also just celebrating dads, being tough, being hardcore, working insane hours, like being supportive of that, so that dad gets his fulfillment, has like king of the castle vibes, even though he's gonna spend the majority of his waking hours at work. Uh, and so making sure that you're celebrating that. Uh, yeah, just it it has to be enjoyable. So there has to be this reinforcement in society that, yes, having kids is very hard work, but it's a noble thing. Um, I.

• 50:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Routinely, I don't always do it, but I routinely thank parents for their service because I am so grateful that there are people that choose to have kids. I think it's so important, it's so noble. Uh, and arguably the greatest gift that that most people will be able to give humanity is to raise a child well. And so to acknowledge that and to be thankful for it, uh, I think is really important. That's sort of my ballpark cluster of things that we need to do.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we'll, we'll see. I think that there is something to per celebrating it, cause those same people that I said, if it was more affordable, they would be more willing. They also say they want to make sure the partner makes them feel seen and things like that. There is this assumption that when you have kids, the mom is responsible for doing everything and the dad is just throwing money at the problem like, yeah, I work, you're supposed to do everything. So, yes, it should be a balanced household and all those things. So, just kind of.

• 51:44Tom Bilyeu?

  It should be a balanced household, but now this is where admittedly, I'm not in the thick of it, so I get it. Uh, if people think that I'm mismapping this, fair enough, but I do think that

• 51:58Tom Bilyeu?

  when I think about the way that Lisa and I divvy labor, whenever there's more work to be done um, on the business, if, if I can do it, I will do it. If there's something dirty or dangerous, I do it every time. Uh, in terms of working more hours, I work many more hours than my wife. In terms of dealing with stress, I take the stress burden off of her whenever I can. Um, I try to create zones of stress freeness for her. And in doing so, take on additional stress in my life and do not ask the same for her. But there are then expectations that I have to feel seen and appreciated.

• 52:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, that if she doesn't give me, then I start to get resentful. And so there is an amount of, yeah, I get that you, when I come home, you want me to play some sort of domestic role. I get that you probably think, well, I'm raising the kids and therefore we should be sharing the domestic chores 50 50. And look, work out whatever thing you want to do. But if I'm doing all those other things, like if the neighbor knocks on the door and he's irate, I'm. The one that has to go deal with that. If I'm the one that's checking all the doors at night, making sure that the house is secure, traveling for work, working long hours. If you're getting burnt out, then I'm the one that's going to come in and deal with whatever that is in those acute moments.

• 53:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't also expect me to

• 53:26Tom Bilyeu?

  be cleaning up dishes and things like that. Now dishes is just the sort of triggering one that people go to because it's like housework. But it's like, it's just sort of how the thing breaks out, just like I'm not going to ask you if that's the arrangement that we have to come into the work world and deal with shit there. There's just going to be a division of labor. And so it's like, now, if your job is getting overwhelming, let's talk about what that looks like because I don't want you to break. I want to make sure that mom's enjoying her life. I want to make sure that she has opportunities to not be in mom mode all the time. There's ways to work all that stuff out. But I find that there's been this weird swing in culture where it's like,

• 54:06Tom Bilyeu?

  the expectation is that somehow we're just drawing a line down the center of the world and it's 50 50 on both sides. And that I don't think makes sense. I have a much higher tolerance for stress than my wife. So me doing the like work stuff, stressful stuff, like if we're dealing with a lawsuit, I won't even tell her. I'll wait until I know how it's going to resolve and then I'll be like, this is where we're at. Because I don't want her to go through the things that I'm going through. I'm trying to create that space anyway. So I think it's far more nuanced than people just being like, who does the equal amount of housework or raising the kids? It's like, if you both have jobs, yes. But if you don't and you're divvying it up a different way, then I think you have to be careful.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just want to acknowledge all the parents in the chat. Chat out to y'all. I see you's working hard. We out here. And I'm a parent of a teenager and I know it's a thankless job, so I'm thanking you because that little. Ingrate is pissing me off, but I just stare at the back of her head, yo. The back of the head of her back of her iPhone. My mom called me the other day because she's with my mom.

• 55:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Was she just laughing?

• 55:05Speaker 01

  No, my mom literally called me and she was like, like, did your, did your ex talk bad about us? Like, what happened to Lynn? She's so like, oh, she doesn't sit on her phone. Like, she's not, she used to be so happy, like, what? I'm like, this is a teenager, mom.

• 55:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you not have a sister?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Uh, yes.

• 55:18Tom Bilyeu?

  So your mom's been through this?

• 55:19Speaker 01

  And that's what I'm saying. And I was like, this is, she was like, kids are weird now. I'm so glad I did mine early, like, like, she's just so.

• 55:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Hilarious.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  She was like, they just, they didn't come out downstairs like three and they're always on their phones. What, what? I'm like, yeah, mom, welcome to parents in 2025. It's crazy.

• 55:32Tom Bilyeu?

  So easy to say from where I'm sitting. Plus, like, if I were to have a kid now, we just have so much more data.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:37Tom Bilyeu?

  But yeah, I literally would not let my kids have a smartphone for a very long time.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  It's biggest mistake.

• 55:44Tom Bilyeu?

  And I have, I react the, the opposite way because most people are like, you don't understand how much your kids are gonna complain. I get more aggressive when people complain. So I've become more of a tyrant. And so very quickly, my kids will be like, okay, well, complaining is only making this worse. Uh, so, yeah, I have a very weird, uh, reaction in that way. But not easy, parents, you guys are, you're doing God's work.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:08Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm telling you right now.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Shout out to you guys. Uh, all right. So we, uh, talked about, uh, the Jews. We talked about trans people. It's only right we talk about racism. We're hitting the trifecta today, guys.

• 56:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go, let's go.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Um, Chicago reparations, let's talk about it.

• 56:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Our way will bring to black residents in reclaiming ownership of our own communities. That is the spirit of Juneteenth, you all. This is the mayor of Chicago. It is about reflecting on our past.

• 56:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Other cultures are taught to never forget.

• 56:38Tom Bilyeu?

  We need to be reminded as blacks here in Chicago and America. Remembering our past and working towards a more just future, investing in blacks.

• 56:48Speaker 05

  is not a criminal act.

• 56:56Speaker 05

  Sisters Akia says she need a witness, so I'm gonna say it again.

• 57:02Speaker 05

  Investing in black is not a criminal act.

• 57:09Speaker 05

  Our way will bring to black residents.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  This hit your radar before it hit mine. What's the, uh, what's your take on Chicago's announcement of reparations to invest in black? Quote unquote.

• 57:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so I think he's out of his mind. When you start talking about at the government level, at the government level, this is just reverse racism. So for real, if you are.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Loretta Igling, but literally said, my favorite is reverse racism as though the word is one, only one way, like defined one way.

• 57:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so it's racism. But since it is colloquially known as reverse racism, because there was that whole big moment where it was that, uh, black people couldn't be racist. So, uh, it's racism. It's dumb. Policies should be equal. But here's where, and this is where I think people are going to get really frustrated with me. But like, I'm really, really, really trying to help us get to a better place.

• 58:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Stop focusing on adults. Stop focusing on adults. Dude, if you want black people to never have to worry about being locked in the inner cities, uh, being mistreated, for the love of Christ, educate them when they are young, when they are young, educate. If you educate everybody the same, and now with AI, there is quite literally no reason not to.

• 58:36Tom Bilyeu?

  There's never going to be a teacher that's better than AI. Full stop, period, end of story. And AI is so fucking cheap. If your school district in the worst neighborhood in the world is not paying the $20 a month per student to get them access to AI, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Like, that, that is criminal negligence. Get these kids educated for effectively free in whatever school. Get them to the point where the entire world is open to them. Based on there unfortunately, we are all going to be divided by our individual talents. And some people are smarter than others. And so some people will escape because they're finally fucking educated. And some people of every class, color creed, they are not going to escape because they just do not have the horsepower.

• 59:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Nobody's more traumatized by that than me. But that that's just the reality. But then now it's like, yes, I get it. There, there are multiple generations of poor people, which is how I actually think this breaks. That they just haven't been educated well. And because we keep trying to solve the problem at the adult phase, it's like chemotherapy. What I hear him saying is chemotherapy only for blacks. And I'm like, how about we stop giving black people cancer? It's fucking dumb. So we need to educate the fucking kids.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Okay. Educate the kids. No beef. Education.

• 1:00:01Tom Bilyeu?

  But it's not going to work.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  No, I like it. That I have too. Education, housing. You I feel like if you make people smart and you give them a safe place to live, 90% of the problems.

• 1:00:09Tom Bilyeu?

  You cannot give them a safe place to live, it won't work. You have to make it accessible from a financial standpoint.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Tom Bilyeu?

  You said give.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Oh, because you think I'm a communist and I just want to give it to everybody?

• 1:00:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  No, I meant access to a safe place to live.

• 1:00:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Make homes affordable.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Yes. I'll say, I'll say it in those words.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  I it's it's very interesting to me that the US can pay reparations to other cultures. As recently as 1988, billions of dollars. And we even paid reparations to other cultures for things America didn't even do. But then things that happened as recent as the 1950s. That systematically impacted this one group of people.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  It's supposed to be like now you get sweeping under a rug, it never happened. And I think, so when I hear people say, I want to give race-based grants in order to have, to raise a certain sect of people, I don't have the same visceral reaction as other people. What I see is, I'll lay out the, you can't have it both ways. The same people that are calling this person racism, is the same person, in my opinion, will also say, well, yeah, blacks, just genetically, they're just the dumbest race, and just genetically, they're the most poor, and it's just because they were born that way.

• 1:01:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Genetically, they're the most poor.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what I mean, like, so you, we can all agree that if we listed all the cultures, Black Americans, we could do better. So, okay, we need to remedy that gap. And every time people are trying to remedy that gap, it becomes, well, help everybody else. What about everybody else? Everybody else has their grants, and their programs, and their special, their special clubs. I think it's okay if somebody wants to come out and say, hey, I'm going to help, it's a 70% Black city, I'm going to help those 70% of my constituents. I don't think this is racism.

• 1:02:01Tom Bilyeu?

  But why, if they're the majority, they're going to be helped by policies, full stop. So, why specifically target them? Because now you're saying, hey, this financing is the thing that helps.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  I think the beginning of your sentence is the fallacy, because they're majority, they're going to be helped. Look at South Africa, that's not true. Like, just because there's a bunch of something, doesn't mean those people...

• 1:02:22Tom Bilyeu?

  They actually had racism in the law. That's why they were getting fucked up.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  You're talking about South Africa?

• 1:02:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, the question is, now that they run the government, why is it getting worse?

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  Are we talking about Chicago, or are we talking about South Africa?

• 1:02:37Tom Bilyeu?

  South Africa.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  South Africa, yes. Okay. Um, that's not my hill to die on. Fuck South Africa. Could we get back to Chicago?

• 1:02:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Sure.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Like, yeah. Um, you want people to do better, human flourishing, right?

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  When I say that there's 70% in this city and you said they're going to be impacted by policy, we just had Rick Cruiser on yesterday.

• 1:02:59Tom Bilyeu?

  We just had what?

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  We had Rick Cruiser on yesterday.

• 1:03:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Policy isn't a straight line. So just because your constituents look one way, those aren't the people lobbying, those aren't the people controlling the resources, those aren't the people in this specific instance at the top who have the most uh power. So when other people step into power and say, okay, I'm realizing there's a disparity of resources, so I'm going to do this thing to fix it. That is the policy you're talking about right now. So this is the policy he's introducing to help those 70%.

• 1:03:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me see if I'm mapping what you're saying. Uh, Tom, the government in Chicago is corrupt. And so even though there's no laws on the books against black people, the distribution of the um government money is not making its way into black hands despite the fact that they represent the vast majority of the city. Okay, I have no reason to believe that's true, but if that is true, then now we have to go figure out where exactly is this all falling down. But you don't fight corruption with corruption. So you don't go, hey, the money right now is being moved by elite people into white hands. So now I, as the black governor.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Mayor.

• 1:04:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, mayor, excuse me. I, as the black mayor, am going to now do elite money funneling into black hands. You always want to do things at the level of policy. And so if you have the right policy, but you have corrupt leadership, you've got to get rid of the fucking corrupt leadership, like as a matter of national fucking emergency.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Yes, and that's the same thing as that stop money printing. But in the two decades that's going to take to change culture, policy, constituents, raise up a new person.

• 1:04:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  There needs to be a Band-Aid right now.

• 1:04:37Tom Bilyeu?

  It won't work. It will not work. This is very interesting. Drew, this is what I mean. You have to give up on adults. Let me say it another way. The current generation's already cooked. It is what it is. Do not the every fucking word out of somebody's mouth. Everything that you do to try to um force an outcome is as stupid as trying to do top-down monetary policy. It doesn't work. This won't work. And what this will do. do is further inflame people and then they're gonna be well it didn't work because we didn't get them enough money and there's still people fighting it I'm telling you there is literally physics there's only one thing that you can do and that is you have to make these young people you have to max out their um intellectual capacity

• 1:05:20Tom Bilyeu?

  so that they can go do fucking phenomenal things and I what he said about blacks dude blacks should culturally be like never again we will never be a slave again oh my I fucking that gave me the chills dude I would march fuck that never again let's go I'm on team never fucking again for blacks Holocaust I fucking love it love that energy now the question is how do you actually make that come true and by the way he's right supporting black businesses cool love it if somebody as an individual is like I only buy from black businesses okay cool do your thing

• 1:06:01Tom Bilyeu?

  got no beef with that what I wanna see is kids get educated regardless of class get educated the world works a certain way and if you get good at that game you can fucking win

• 1:06:16Tom Bilyeu?

  if we do that then the the cycle actually breaks but if you're constantly trying to do this top down thing for people who've already been fucked by the system it doesn't it doesn't work like I I mean that as a literal thing like it doesn't work and given that it will never yield outcomes it feels emotionally correct but it doesn't yield the outcomes you've got a problem

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  there's that's it's interesting right cuz like if I were able to pull up a policy that disproportionately impacted black people and it caused three hundred to four hundred thousand dollars of wealth being released from their like not being available for them to grab

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Would you say that's a corrupt policy, bad policy? We should, we should immediately erase that, move it away, right?

• 1:07:04Tom Bilyeu?

  If, if the outcome is based on the policy, yes.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, it's, I'm talking about redlining. So, for those that don't know, after people came back from World War II, uh, the GI Bill, uh, a white person gets a free house anywhere in America. Black people, you can get it in these six districts. That's if you applied for it. Fifty percent of the soldiers, black soldiers that went to war didn't even get approval for a GI Bill that they told they were gonna get beforehand. So they, there has been things that has been happening systemically like this for decades. I could go back to an all-black town who said, you know what? America, y'all did y'all thing, y'all told us do our own. We're gonna build our own shit, ground up and do it. And then that town got burnt, right?

• 1:07:43Tom Bilyeu?

  But do you think that there are still laws in the books right now today? That are, um, designed to hold black people back?

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  But, okay, let's just think about it from like a, a kid perspective, right?

• 1:07:56Tom Bilyeu?

  But really fast, give me the yes or no on that one.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  Uh, cuz I, you're, you're looking at the second order consequence, but you're not looking at the first one. And that's why I'm, I'm kinda.

• 1:08:03Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm trying to map you cuz I think what you're trying to make a case for is, uh, the reason people are against reparations for black people is because they think this was something that happened a long time ago. But the reality is, this is like right after World War II, we still had anti-black laws. And so if you're saying, I, what I'm trying to figure out is, are you saying that those ended in the civil rights movement in the sixties? Or are you saying, right now, today, there are still laws?

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  How they changed it in the sixties is that it's the same boilerplate that depend on everything. You can't discriminate based on race, culture, creed, sex, da-da-da-da-da.

• 1:08:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  So, a secret thing that the banks did was, you can discriminate, discriminate based on zip code. So, if you are from this zip code, I'm sorry, you don't apply for this loan. But if you're from this zip code.

• 1:08:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But is that still true?

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Exit, yes. Access to capital.

• 1:08:52Tom Bilyeu?

  So, right now, you're saying there really are, because what ends up happening is, um, from redlining in a whole history of horrific shit. Black people have ended up in these neighborhoods. Banks don't loan against those neighborhoods. And this is exactly the way that we're still keeping them.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  It's happening right now.

• 1:09:09Tom Bilyeu?

  So. Heard now.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  So then now with the Chicago thing.

• 1:09:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  If you're, am I lining up passing out money to the black people? No, I don't think that's a right exit, but a business grant that's applicable to these sector people. If they have the paperwork, if they had go through the process, if they have to take a class.

• 1:09:23Tom Bilyeu?

  What, what if you did it by the zip codes? So we say, hey, these red line zip codes, they're now special business districts or whatever.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  Love that too. No problem.

• 1:09:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Then I'm there. I'm just saying, do it as a policy that isn't race based. So it's like, if we fuck these neighborhoods, unfuck those neighborhoods. And now it's like, oh, you happen to be black in those neighborhoods for the reasons that you just laid out. Great. But this is a policy about that neighborhood.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  I give it to.

• 1:09:48Tom Bilyeu?

  So then shit, that was easy. So, uh, thousand percent, like doing special business zones, finding ways to make it either that, hell yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  That's that, but that's where I'm saying is that like, policy base, you're not going to find any policy in America that says, don't do this for black people. Don't do this for Mexicans.

• 1:10:05Tom Bilyeu?

  And thank God.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Yes, but how.

• 1:10:08Tom Bilyeu?

  There are still other ways.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  How they're getting around it is the zip, the redlining zip code thing like that.

• 1:10:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Listen, here's.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  That's why this doesn't give me that shock. That's all I'm saying.

• 1:10:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's what I will say. There is, I think it's the, um,

• 1:10:22Tom Bilyeu?

  uh, fuck, I forget the exact region, but there is a region of African Americans in America that crush. Crush.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  PG County, Maryland's the most, uh, PG County, there's one in Atlanta. I don't know what it's called in Atlanta.

• 1:10:34Tom Bilyeu?

  But they're, they're from a specific like West Indies or something.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Oh, like a sect of black people that live in America, West Indian immigrants, Nigerian immigrants.

• 1:10:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Something like that. Yeah. So, uh, that tells me that you can come into whatever, whatever level of corruption we have in this country. It, that isn't the problem. If it was, they would all get trapped.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  But that, but there's a difference though, because they're entering into the system.

• 1:10:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Why the fuck does that matter?

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Because I can pick where I live.

• 1:11:00Tom Bilyeu?

  You think they came with money?

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  It does not, it's not about that.

• 1:11:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Pick where you live, if you can afford it.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  If you can afford it.

• 1:11:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, if my. But why can they afford it as immigrants? You, you're saying they come in with money?

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  To, to move into a different country, you have a different level of nimble and flexibility that somebody is rooted in might not have.

• 1:11:16Tom Bilyeu?

  That's emotional. That's not, that's not literal.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  I, yeah, I'll give that. I'm not conceding that, but the point is. If my parents lived, if my parents lived in Wisconsin, my granddaddy lives, like, there's a whole line of people that lived in this place. They can share that wealth, they could pass on that wealth, that's this house that was eighty thousand in the seventies. It's now worth six hundred thousand, so if somebody's going to school, I could take a home equity loan, educate my kid, get him through, and I can do everything to get them financially to where they need to be. Take a step back. If I am in a red line neighborhood, my income isn't going up, I don't have that same access to wealth, I don't have that same equity. So their opportunities are limited just on paper. They have to now move through these other things, where their white counterpart does not. And that's the part that I want to make sure I just highlight, that's not my experience.

• 1:11:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I wish that this-

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  My parents are immigrants, that's not my, that's not my experience, but I can't act like that's not a reality for people.

• 1:12:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I wish that this text had come from a black person, it did not. It came from, it came from a Mexican in LA, who would have a lot of the same beefs. And I want to read you what he wrote.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Yes, people can get out the hood, interview, so I'm not saying you're stuck in the hood, that's not my argument.

• 1:12:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Then what is your argument? Because if you know people can get out of the hood, then why isn't all of our energy about teaching them the things that they need to do to get out of the fucking hood?

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  To the kids, right? But then you're trying to-

• 1:12:38Tom Bilyeu?

  For sure.

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you're, on one side, you're saying we need to educate the next generation, this generation is cooked.

• 1:12:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Okay, so if this generation is cooked, they're not the ones, they're the ones that would be doing the moving and all the other stuff.

• 1:12:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, no, the kids will do the moving whenever the fuck they want. Here, let me, let me give you my pitch. Dear adults, uh, it is very simple to know what to do, uh, because the world works on a physics cause and effect basis. You need to figure out what is the thing that you want to do that's going to make money, get so good at that that people can't stop you from doing it. It's going to require a tremendous amount of effort, uh, on your part. You're going to have to be exceedingly disciplined, you may have to work harder than your white counterparts, and it doesn't fucking matter, because if you get so good, they will not be able to stop you. And given that, the question just becomes, do you care enough about something that the world will pay for, that you're willing to get that good at it? If you're not willing to do it, no matter how much money Drew or anybody else gives you,

• 1:13:35Tom Bilyeu?

  you won't win, you will lose. Uh, even if we hand you a direct check, you will blow it because you don't understand money. And so what I'm saying is, all of that stuff feels good and it won't work. And so I'm saying, if you've got immigrants that are coming in from whatever part of Africa or the Caribbean, or wherever the fuck they come from, they're working. Cool, they think and act in a way that you aren't thinking and acting. So figure out how they're thinking and acting and think and act in that way. Like for all the people that have beef with the Jews, uh, they fucking control the world. I just go, how? Because I would like to learn how to control things. Maybe I won't do it if I find out that it's evil, but I want to know how it works. And so I'm not going to spend my time railing and crying and freaking out. I'm going to be like, somebody knows a skill that I don't know and I'm going to fucking get that skill.

• 1:14:18Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I'm just saying, I find only 2% of adults will listen when you tell that. The, I won't force everybody to hear the text, but it was roughly, this is a kid from the fucking hood, former gang banger, all that. He's like, Tom, you made me a millionaire and you deserve to hear it because you're the one that made me a beast. Because I said to all these hood rats, hey, I will show up at 5:00 AM every fucking day and I will sit at this table and I will tell you exactly how to be an entrepreneur. I won't hold anything back. If you want to build a company that competes with me, I'll teach you how to do it. And guess who fucking showed up, day after day after day after day, when no one else did? This fucking kid. And he just sat there and was like, okay, cool. How do I do this? What about this? What about this? What about this?

• 1:15:03Tom Bilyeu?

  This is now, I mean, this is like 12 years later, but he's done it. And he wanted to tell me he made his first million. He's like, I fucking did it in a legitimate business. Like, I can't believe this is fucking true. And what did he have to do? He had to get so good at something that people couldn't stop him. There's, there, there just isn't another way. There's no way around it. This is like, what do you teach your kids? Here's the thing, your daughter is going to crush. Why? Because you're so smart, Drew. You're so good. You teach me. You teach Lynn. I know you've unlocked Lynn's future. And the thing that I really, really, really You and anybody else who loves those people is to say, listen, you got hit by a car. But no one can do the physical therapy for you. You have to do it. And if that were the ringing message, because they can win the fucking lawsuit.

• 1:15:48Tom Bilyeu?

  It's still not going to fix the problem. And so I'm so obsessed with fixing the problem. That when I see this stuff, I'm like, first of all, it's creating racist. And I know you and I see this differently. I really, really did not feel like I grew up in a racist world. And now I feel like I'm in a racist world and I fucking hate it. And I'm just like, I think about race all the fucking time now. And I, it's really fucking dumb. And it's not going to take us anywhere interesting. I'm starting to get very aware of how often I swear. It's really dumb. I don't like it. I don't want to see us continue down this path. It is not useful at all.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  It's interesting to me, right? Because what? When I hear the, this mayor talking, I hear him saying, I'm giving an opportunity for those people that want to wake up at 5am and actually do the work. And what you're hearing is, or what other people in the chat or some might be hearing is free money for black people, nothing for the whites. And I think those, I think there's a difference in those statements. So if somebody has their shit together, has something in order, they might be held down because of their circumstances. Blame whoever they need to blame. They're ready to now level up their life. They have a business plan, whatever they go. They take use of this grant. They build a business. They get to move out of their situation. I think that's a success of this policy.

• 1:17:02Tom Bilyeu?

  It won't work. Here's what he has to say. The mess, because this is the physics of the.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  So I just laid it out. You still think that won't work. I'm a business owner. I don't have, I don't have investment. I find, I use this grant. I get investment. I start my company. Now I'm sending the, the mayor, uh, you made me a millionaire text. That, that's not.

• 1:17:18Tom Bilyeu?

  He, he's giving you money without you necessarily knowing how to run a business.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  I think that's an assumption. And again.

• 1:17:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Of course it's an assumption.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  I think we're assuming things. Again, if it's a blank check for blacks, it's wrong. I'm saying this to every camera. If it's a blank checks for like.

• 1:17:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep. I'm just saying, all policies should be literally blind to the color of the person that's going to utilize it. And the reason for that is multivariate. Number one, it's racist to do anything else. We do not want a race-based society. That's you're pushing people into camps.

• 1:17:56Tom Bilyeu?

  If you weren't willing to work with a white guy, this show would be worse. And if I wasn't willing to work with a black guy, no one would know who you are. And so now, because we teamed up, because no one gives a fuck, you know you now have in your pocket, "I could go launch my own show." I'd never really thought about it before. But like, "Hey, the world takes to me, and I know how to do this." What's that?

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Zero attention to launch my own show.

• 1:18:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Fine, but you have learned things, you must admit, because you've had an opportunity to be on camera. You've been able to run tests, see what people think about you, whether you like it, all of that.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:18:28Tom Bilyeu?

  You, I've watched you. You accumulate knowledge very fast. And so, that is, we've both won. From my perspective, I couldn't fucking care less about this color of your skin. You gave me insights that I was unable to come to on my own, and I was like, "Say more." And the more selfish I am, the more I engage with you, and like, draw you in deeper, and give you a platform, and blah, blah, blah. And hopefully you feel the exact same. So, everything should be done at the level of policy. Total blindness to color, because that's what works. With a ferocity of caring about how effective somebody is at what they do, for sure. You would not have your job if you were not effective.

• 1:19:12Tom Bilyeu?

  And I like to think you would have left long ago if you didn't think, "I can get this guy to do things, because he's actually good at the things that I'm good at."

• 1:19:21Tom Bilyeu?

  So, a ferocity for that, and then a culture of excellence. And that's it. And every culture, Asian people, I'm looking at you, almost blanketly, but for sure the Chinese,

• 1:19:33Tom Bilyeu?

  they just make sure that their kids are head-down, fucking study, and they're outworking white people, if we want to keep it about race for a minute. White people, you're fucking falling behind. You're not playing to win anymore. You got fucking lazy. You're, all these internecine battles are fucking stupid as the day is long. You're becoming racist before my very eyes. And so, it's like, yeah, none of that works. It's all stupid. Life works on a cause and effect basis. And if you are better at something than somebody else, they can't stop you. They can't stop you. Simple as. And so, I'm just saying, hey, everybody, yeah, you live in... The worst part, isn't that you're a color, it's that you're not the majority in the country.

• 1:20:19Tom Bilyeu?

  But now, let's look at South Africa. They are the majority in the country and they're still fucking it up. And that's because it also matters, uh, the beliefs upon which you build everything. Just is what it is. Look at the outcomes. I'm gonna do this and I think it will yield that outcome. If it doesn't yield that outcome, your fucking belief was wrong. So, change and keep iterating.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  If so fact though, is that red light new?

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, okay.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  We got Brutus Lugo for 20 bucks. It is costing our country... Really quick context, this is supposedly a quote from Trump on Juneteenth. So, that's important. Uh, it is our, it is costing our country billions of dollars to keep all of these businesses closed. The workers don't want it either. Soon we'll end up having a holiday for every working day of the year. Why did he say this?

• 1:21:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Because he's a fucking idiot. Uh, if he can't understand that that is-

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Cause everybody keeps calling you a Trump show. Can we just have that as a close up? For people saying Tom never criticized Trump. Did you hear that? We caught one.

• 1:21:27Tom Bilyeu?

  That was the dumbest tweet in a very long time. I, I even just have some political instincts like that. That's dumb. Save it for the fucking 4th of July, or which then it would be equally stupid for a totally different reason. I mean, that's somebody who, um, that's dumb. He is alienating the black vote. I don't know what the fuck he's thinking. It's dumb. There's no two ways about it. If you really think we're taking too many holidays, fine, but you don't say it on Juneteenth. For the love of God.

• 1:21:59Speaker 01

  Um, oh shoot, it's 911.

• 1:22:01Tom Bilyeu?

  It is.

• 1:22:01Speaker 01

  We gotta go.

• 1:22:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Boys and girls, thank you so much for this. Dude, I really enjoy these. Whether I should be doing these or not is a totally different question, but I really enjoy it. Uh, thank you for joining us. This is amazing. We will see you again next week. We got another deep dive dropping on Monday. So, please stay tuned, check it out, and have a great weekend, everybody. We'll see you. Peace.

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