My Unredacted Interview with The Leah Files

Leah, I chose not to release your episode because I personally had serious concerns about the truthfulness of your statements. I take what I put out on my platform seriously for myself and for my listeners. For the sake of transparency, here's the full interview so everyone can watch and draw their own conclusions. As for my investments, I've intentionally made them public, as you see on my LinkedIn. I invest in Shield AI and Anduril for no other reason than I believe in their ability to develop technology that equips and protects the American warfighter. That's something deeply personal to me that I believe in. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:54Shawn Ryan?

  Hey, what's up everybody?

• 0:57Shawn Ryan?

  So I guess my name is all over this controversy on X, the typical X drama. Because I didn't release a certain episode and that episode is this woman, the Leophiles, who I didn't release it because personally I think she is a total fraud and full of shit. And honestly, I also didn't release it to help her save face a little bit, but whatever, we'll release it. So yeah, she comes on here and I guess she was in some black program at the CIA that tracks down money trails, financials, stuff like that. But she gets here and like spent way too much time talking about the polygraph,

• 1:41Shawn Ryan?

  which is not really a big deal because everybody, almost everybody over there has to take a polygraph. And she spent so much time on it that I, it just made me think like, did you like research how to do a polygraph or what goes on during a polygraph before you got here to make yourself sound legitimate? And then when we got into it, there wasn't really any groundbreaking stuff. Definitely no money trails, which is supposedly her expertise. So anyways, I didn't release it, but whatever. Now there's a bunch of stupid internet drama and people on X talking shit. So I'll let you guys be the judge and I will release it.

• 2:25Shawn Ryan?

  And so it's out. If you're seeing this, it's out now. And so I put, I put two versions out though. There's another version on X where I just released the whole thing. One constant stream of video, no camera angle changes, none of that. That way you know there's no cuts, nothing got redacted, no names were pulled, nothing. It's all in there, even a couple of things that I didn't really want in there, but whatever. It's out there now. So anyways. Oh, and then one other thing, I guess there's also something that got,

• 3:07Shawn Ryan?

  I guess she took my public LinkedIn profile and, and made a post out of the companies that I invest in and tried to make me sound like, I don't know. And so anyways, yeah. I post all the companies that I invest in publicly on my LinkedIn because I believe in those companies. And I think every single one of those companies, I think, except for one, I've had that person on the show.

• 3:36Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of those companies support the American warfighter. I used to be an American warfighter, still would be if the time came and they needed me. But I'm always going to support our troops and companies that are innovating things that

• 3:53Shawn Ryan?

  help save lives and, and, and create a better war, wartime environment for the side of our troops. I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm always going to support that. So I'm not going to apologize for it. I guess maybe Ren or Leah or whatever her name is must've learned how to follow public LinkedIn profiles in their CIA training. Incredible. But anyways, that's pretty much all I got to say. Ladies and gentlemen, the Leophiles, I'll let you be the judge if she is full of shit or full of truth. Cheers.

• 4:37Shawn Ryan?

  Leah, welcome to the show.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Thank you. Excited to be here. Very excited.

• 4:42Shawn Ryan?

  Excited to have you. So you're, I heard you set the internet on fire a couple of days ago.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  Somehow, somehow. Yeah.

• 4:53Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you're digging into all kinds of stuff, so I'm excited to get it going. But so let me give you an introduction here.

• 5:01Shawn Ryan?

  Leophiles, you're an economist, financial analyst and corporate intelligence consultant who has spent more than two decades supporting the US intelligence and national security community. Your career has included work supporting the NGA, DIA, NSA and CIA with a focus on financial modeling, strategic, excuse me, strategy and risk. Today you run a corporate intelligence firm that investigates fraud, deceptive executives, hidden financial relationships and risks that traditional due diligence often misses. Welcome to the show. What's the name of your firm?

• 5:38Speaker 03

  Black Widow Global.

• 5:39Shawn Ryan?

  Black Widow Global? How long have you been doing that?

• 5:43Speaker 03

  About a year now.

• 5:44Shawn Ryan?

  A year? Is business good?

• 5:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, very grateful.

• 5:50Shawn Ryan?

  What's the, what's the, well, I don't even know if you can say, but what's the most interesting case you've come across so far in business?

• 6:01Speaker 03

  It's getting more interesting, but I did have a guy from social media reach out. And he wanted me to investigate someone he was going to invest in. That's typically what I, what I do. And we had a contract and then I was looking into the guy who's here in Tennessee, actually. Very, very shady. The guy, other guy was in England that I'm working for and he ended up dying.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Two days, three days into my investigation, he was healthy, 40 some year old guy. He had just hosted his daughter's sleepover and yeah, they told me he was, he died. So very, I think that was the most like jolting one of, of it all. I think it's something nefarious happened to him, but.

• 6:45Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. You see that a lot?

• 6:47Speaker 03

  No, thankfully not in this year, but I probably will. Yeah.

• 6:53Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez. What kind of, I mean, what kind of clients are reaching out to you?

• 6:57Speaker 03

  So typically it's private equity. That's how I started and law firms. You know, you do due diligence, but numbers can tell any story that they want. And if you don't trust, you know, you want to look more into it, look at that CEO. I mean, look at Theranos, look at WeWork, so many companies that sell themselves to investors, but then end up breaking down because they're just selling a story. They're not selling what's actually behind the curtain. And that's what I expose. Are they lying? Are they full of it? What do their, their financials actually tell you? There's a lot of CEOs who will take investor money and just do wrong by it. So private equity and law firms. I do a lot of pro bono for women going through divorces

• 7:42Speaker 03

  whose husbands are hiding assets from them, assessing where they would be hiding them, find them for them.

• 7:49Speaker 03

  So yeah, it's so far, those are my top clients.

• 7:52Shawn Ryan?

  Where do they hide it the most?

• 7:54Speaker 03

  It depends on the person.

• 7:55Shawn Ryan?

  Like a common strategy?

• 7:58Speaker 03

  The person, if you, if you look at who you're married to, what did they start doing prior to the divorce? Do they have businesses? Because if they have, if they have LLCs, that's the most common way. Crypto is becoming really big and you can trace crypto. So.

• 8:15Shawn Ryan?

  You can trace crypto?

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. Crypto is actually almost one of the easier ones to trace on the public blockchain.

• 8:23Shawn Ryan?

  Really? Well then what's all the, what's the narrative about like this is what drug dealers use and all this other stuff?

• 8:29Speaker 03

  No, well, because if you move them between addresses, it's when you cash them out, that's where you get the person. So the, the means of cashing out that, that crypto address, but.

• 8:39Shawn Ryan?

  So you can, you can trace. So no matter how many transactions it's been traced through, you can, you can trace it. So what are they, then what do the criminals do? Do they just buy, they just buy stuff with crypto? They find places where they can just buy stuff with that? Like commodities and then maybe sell the commodity like gold or something like that?

• 8:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, that's a good example. They also, you have to have their crypto address. So they probably have multiple, but if you, once you get one, you can trace it through the blockchain, but you have to get their, their address.

• 9:11Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 9:14Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I got you a gift.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  You got me a gift?

• 9:17Shawn Ryan?

  Same gift here.

• 9:20Shawn Ryan?

  The John's Elite Gummy Bears. Have you heard of them?

• 9:23Speaker 03

  I've, everyone was like, see if you'll get gummy bears. These are amazing.

• 9:28Shawn Ryan?

  Made in Michigan.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  I'm honored. Thank you. I got you a gift.

• 9:31Shawn Ryan?

  I love gifts.

• 9:33Speaker 03

  My husband picked it out. He's a big fan.

• 9:34Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  Where we live here, we live next, like near Polo match, King family. Their son is, was a marine and yeah.

• 9:46Shawn Ryan?

  You play?

• 9:47Speaker 03

  He liked black. No, I could not, not ride a horse, but I go, I go watch.

• 9:51Shawn Ryan?

  I'll bet that's, I've never been to one.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Oh, it's really cool. Yeah.

• 9:54Shawn Ryan?

  We're thinking about getting my daughter into horses.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, it's really cool.

• 9:59Shawn Ryan?

  So are you into them?

• 10:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 10:00Shawn Ryan?

  Do you ride?

• 10:01Speaker 03

  But I grew up on a farm and we had horses. I don't, I don't like them.

• 10:07Shawn Ryan?

  You don't like?

• 10:08Speaker 03

  I don't like them. I go to Polo. I don't think I've ever actually seen a polo match. I literally go and I'm there to be outside. So.

• 10:17Shawn Ryan?

  Right on. Well, thank you.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:20Shawn Ryan?

  And then one more thing, and then we're going to get into your life story.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:23Shawn Ryan?

  Does that sound good?

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 10:25Shawn Ryan?

  So I got a Patreon.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 10:28Shawn Ryan?

  Probably some people hanging, maybe that's where they found out you were coming on the show. But no Patreon, you know, when I've started this thing, I couldn't get anybody to advertise with. I had made like no money and, and like I was paying to do this. And we started, me and my wife started this in the attic and Patreon.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 10:48Shawn Ryan?

  Was suggested I start a Patreon and so we did. And it's because of them that's, it's turned into everything you see here today, just from a small room in the attic. And so they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. So this is from Meg. Leah, who are two or three individuals deceased or alive? You'd like to have dinner and, and, and a discussion with?

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Anthony Bourdain.

• 11:25Speaker 03

  Charlie Kirk.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  And Tucker Carlson.

• 11:32Shawn Ryan?

  And Tucker Carlson?

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Tucker Carlson. And I think those three together, we would have a very riveting conversation.

• 11:39Shawn Ryan?

  I'll bet.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  But yeah, Anthony Bourdain, Charlie Kirk, and Tucker Carlson.

• 11:44Shawn Ryan?

  What questions would you ask him?

• 11:46Speaker 03

  Oof. I think Anthony Bourdain is good for his ability to talk to people about pretty much anything. And he'd be fascinating. I don't know what I'd ask him.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  I don't know. Come back. We'll come back to that.

• 12:06Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Let me think about that one.

• 12:07Shawn Ryan?

  Right on. I'd go with Jesus.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Jesus, yeah.

• 12:11Shawn Ryan?

  I'd like to ask Jesus some questions.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:14Shawn Ryan?

  But, all right, we'll get to your story.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  My story.

• 12:17Shawn Ryan?

  You ready?

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:18Shawn Ryan?

  I know this is heavy.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  It's all right.

• 12:21Shawn Ryan?

  All right. Where'd you grow up?

• 12:24Speaker 03

  Raleigh, North Carolina. Well, outside of Raleigh, North Carolina. Roseville, North Carolina.

• 12:30Shawn Ryan?

  Rhodesville, North Carolina.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  Rhodesville.

• 12:32Shawn Ryan?

  Small town.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  Small. One stoplight.

• 12:35Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, that's even smaller than where I grew up.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  One stoplight, 23 acres, next to tobacco fields.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  Went to the same school with the same people from kindergarten to 12th grade.

• 12:50Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:52Shawn Ryan?

  What's the population there?

• 12:54Speaker 03

  Now, it's because it's a suburb of Raleigh, and Raleigh's blown up. It's huge now. There's a bypass through it.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  But back then, oh, I don't know. It was farmers. I can't imagine a lot. 10,000? We didn't even have like a grocery store.

• 13:14Shawn Ryan?

  That's less than 10,000.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:16Shawn Ryan?

  My town was 6,000. We had a handful of stoplights.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Oh, then maybe, I'll have to look it up.

• 13:22Shawn Ryan?

  But, so what were you into growing up? What'd you like to do?

• 13:30Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I don't have like, I maybe have four memories, maybe a handful of memories before I was 14.

• 13:39Shawn Ryan?

  Before you were 14?

• 13:41Speaker 03

  14.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  Like, I can remember more after 14. That's why I say 14. So I don't have, I was the oldest of four. I have no recollection of any of them being born, or even them as kids.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  And my youngest sister is eight years younger than me, so I would have been eight.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  So, I don't know. I didn't get to have fun. I had to raise them and, yeah. I don't know what I liked doing.

• 14:15Shawn Ryan?

  You have no memories before 14?

• 14:17Speaker 03

  No, like, handful of fleeting ones.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. It was a very abusive, toxic household, and my brain blacked it out, I guess.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  I have, yeah, zero recollection of most things, so.

• 14:38Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez. Do you want to go into any of that?

• 14:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, we can. We can.

• 14:45Shawn Ryan?

  What memories do you have?

• 14:48Speaker 03

  I remember picking up the phone when I was young. I had to be like four or five.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  And calling 911. I like, learned to call 911. My dad was incredibly abusive to my mom. He would like, beat her very badly. And the cops were at our house like a few times a week, and I had to call 911 to save her. I just couldn't continue hearing it, so.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  I have a memory of my mom dropping me off at the end of our driveway. We had a very long driveway up to our house when we moved into the house that I ended up growing up in. That was like when I was in first grade. She dropped me off at the end of the driveway because we got kicked out of Chuck E. Cheese. Do you know Chuck E. Cheese?

• 15:35Speaker 03

  From a birthday party because she was so drunk, and she drove me home. And she dropped me off at the end of the driveway and went to rehab for like, the third time. And I didn't see her for like, a year.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  And that's really it.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  I lived in the desert with my grandparents. They were gemologists, and we mined opals for a summer when I was in like, 7th grade. I have memories of that. And that's about it.

• 16:06Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:08Shawn Ryan?

  I've never met anybody that doesn't remember anything before they were 14.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. I didn't know people had memories until I talked to like, normal people. And I was like, I can't even remember my brothers, sisters being born. You know, it kind of hits you that like, I don't. I never thought about it, but I don't ever remember it.

• 16:28Shawn Ryan?

  Do you talk to your brothers and sisters?

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Well, my sister that's two years younger than me died in 2015 of a fentanyl, heroin, lace mix. My brother and I talk, yes. And my youngest sister, I'm like their mom. I raised them. I, to the best of my ability, anyway. So, I protected them.

• 16:50Shawn Ryan?

  How do you know you raised them if you don't remember anything before 14?

• 16:54Speaker 03

  Because my parents were never there. Like, I remember, like, I was driving them. I was cooking dinner. They didn't have anyone else, so. I was always their caretaker. Like, took care of them, made sure if something was wrong with my mom, like, she would be out of her mind and try to drive somewhere with them, and I'd say no. And these are the like, a lot of my memories come from stories they've told me. And stories my mom would tell me, not my own memory, if that makes sense. Like, my sister remembers a lot. She tells me what I did for her. I would go to the school and like, take care of her if she was having a bad day, like crying.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  I didn't know I did that. And I could drive. These are all just weird things I just don't remember, so.

• 17:46Shawn Ryan?

  So what about after 14?

• 17:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, the reason I say 14 is because I remember sitting,

• 17:54Speaker 03

  I remember sitting in my freshman English class, and I looked at the clock, and it was like, 9:10 in the morning.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  And I had just a weird feeling. And then I go home that day, and my parents were normally home, and they weren't. No one was there. And I walk into their room, and there's like, a dog food all over the place, and a vacuum, and I'm like, what the hell happened? And my mom ended up being in intensive care. My dad had beat her so badly with 20-pound bag of dog food and a vacuum cleaner. She ended up in ICU, unrecognizable. And that was finally the day that she left him, for good. And, yeah, couldn't recognize her. But that distinct feeling, and like, it just all

• 18:47Speaker 03

  ties together as far as my first like, real, real memory.

• 18:52Shawn Ryan?

  Sheesh.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:57Shawn Ryan?

  All right. So, did you, what happened when you left home?

• 19:03Speaker 03

  Like, when I left for college?

• 19:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  I didn't want, I got recruited. I ran track and field and cross-country, and I was really good. And I got recruited to go to any school in North Carolina I wanted.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  But I wanted to be so far away from that environment, that I chose to go to the University of Tennessee Knoxville.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  I ended up transferring to NC State, but that's what I did. I first rode out. I mean, I ran to get out. I knew that if I didn't, I wouldn't get out of that.

• 19:39Shawn Ryan?

  What was it like leaving your siblings behind?

• 19:43Speaker 03

  I mean, for me, I didn't, I was like, I've got to go. Like,

• 19:51Speaker 03

  did I feel bad? Yes, but I also feel like I had done my, I'd done more than enough of what I could do. And if I didn't take care of myself,

• 20:05Speaker 03

  there was, it was never going to happen. And to be honest, my sisters at that time, my sister two years younger than me, had already started getting into like, drugs and alcohol. And I just couldn't be around. I couldn't be around it. My mental health, I needed to get out. My youngest sister, to this day, is very mad at me for that. I guess she sat there and cried when I left. I didn't know the impact I had, right? Like, I didn't, I just was going through the motions in survival mode. I was in survival mode. And, yeah, she's like, you left me. It's tough to think about, but I, I had to, so.

• 20:50Shawn Ryan?

  Sheesh.

• 20:59Shawn Ryan?

  But you'd forgiven your parents?

• 21:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, my parents were, they had me when they were 22. My mom actually was in labor with me on her 23rd birthday. So I guess she was 23. They're young, they're stupid, they should have never been together. And my dad grew up in a very toxic household with, his dad was an alcoholic and would threaten to kill himself and from the time my dad was little, and he was the only child. And whenever my mom would get drunk, because she was an alcoholic, that's when they're, they would just, they were like oil and water. And he never beat us, but the emotional abuse that I endured for always taking up for her, I was her protector, was a lot. It mentally was a lot.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  And then when she would get drunk, she would just like be horrible to me. I was, I was there punching back emotionally. I would dump her wine, fill it with water, I would dump her pills and I would just take it. She was abusive at times, but she was hurting. I don't know, to me, I just, I look at people and they're hurting and why am I going to hurt you more?

• 22:17Speaker 03

  I felt really bad for them. I felt, when you see someone in so much pain, it's just, it's not them, so.

• 22:27Shawn Ryan?

  How long did it take you to forgive them?

• 22:29Speaker 03

  I, I always, I, I forgive unfortunately very easily. I don't forget, but I forgive. I never, didn't forgive them.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  They would do it and I would just be there again. I don't know why.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  But yeah, I never held anything against them. I was never angry at them.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  It's funny because I ran track and field and my dad would roll up the windows in the car and smoke just to punish me. And like, yeah, looking back, it's like, I'm way, I'm way too nice, but yeah. I was never mean to my parents and they're both dead now, they died very young.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  And so I don't have any regrets, I just, yeah.

• 23:29Shawn Ryan?

  What got you through that?

• 23:33Speaker 03

  I think I have weird levels of serotonin in my brain. I never got depressed, I never, I never absorbed it. I think that's really important. I, I took it, but I didn't absorb it. I knew that wasn't me and I knew that wasn't them telling me these things, right? Like, I just don't absorb the insults because I knew they were coming from a bad place. And I, I think that's how I got through it. I don't know, I have this conversation with my husband all the time. He's like, how are you not just like depressed all the time?

• 24:14Speaker 03

  And I think that it's that, it's a mindset. It's like, I focus on what I'm grateful for now, I focus on what I have, I focus on what I can do and what I can control. And it really helps those, those moments of, it's not me, it's not personal, this is you.

• 24:37Shawn Ryan?

  All right, let's move on to some other stuff.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:39Shawn Ryan?

  So you went to school?

• 24:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:41Shawn Ryan?

  And then you apparently got a job with Northrop Grumman?

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 24:46Shawn Ryan?

  Major defense contractor.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:48Shawn Ryan?

  What were you doing for Northrop Grumman?

• 24:50Speaker 03

  At first, there was a, a small team of us that built these cost models for satellites in the sky, like software. And we were in these dark rooms, building models.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  It was a great experience, but definitely not me.

• 25:05Shawn Ryan?

  How'd you get recruited into that? How'd you find that job? That's pretty high level, it seems like, for somebody right out of school.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I worked at the Cheesecake Factory, uh, towards the end of my college career to pay for my school.

• 25:19Speaker 03

  And I met a girl who was going to work there and she was a year ahead of me. And I was like, that's cool, I didn't even know that stuff existed in DC. Like, that was so small town. And she was like, I'll call you when, next year, just let me know. So I was like, hey, I'm applying, I applied like the FBI, I applied, I applied anywhere, American Airlines.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  And she was like, yeah, come for an interview.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  And I got the job, which was crazy for me because they hired people from like MIT and Columbia, they hired economists and engineers and I just never, this was something I had to get over, I never thought I was good enough. Like, I just was like, I'm, I went to NC State, like, it's a great school, but it's not, you know, MIT and, yeah. But got it and got a TS right, right then and there.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  And that was my first entrance into this world of, but the TS was easy for me. I had never been anywhere, I'd never traveled anywhere, I had never done drugs and it was easy, so. Just got into the world that way and then moved throughout it.

• 26:34Shawn Ryan?

  What else? What else did you do?

• 26:36Speaker 03

  So after the cost models, I was, they were like, do you want to join the special access program? And that was my first experience of like, we worked in a vault and there were like 10 of us. And I was like, this is so cool, like, there's levels above TS. And the program that we did, it was my first introduction to, wow, government, government lies to people, government lies to people, um, to protect them, right? Like, I think you know, if, if everyone knew what, what the government does to keep our country running, that it's not, you can't handle it, like, it's...

• 27:19Speaker 03

  So that was my first, wow, this can be really cool.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  And then I went to Buzz Allen, Hamilton, and I was at NRO, which was the agency that nobody talked about, nobody knew existed for a very long time.

• 27:36Shawn Ryan?

  As a contractor?

• 27:37Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, as a contractor.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  I, I really liked, I've had some clients offer me jobs and I only took one and we'll get to it, but I liked doing something different all the time. I don't like doing the same thing day in and day out.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  I think it's part of the trauma probably, but I just can't sit still. So I really liked popping around and going to all these different agencies and, and as you kind of move up, career-wise, in the consulting world, you get access to some of these other projects and you see how it all works. And I got to see it from NGA, which is your geo, you know, your, your satellites and your NROs, to your humans, to your, you know, how it all kind of comes together to your SIGINT, it's very fascinating. So very grateful that I got to talk around.

• 28:32Shawn Ryan?

  Could you get into a little more detail on the kind of stuff you were doing or is it all?

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, we can get into detail for like, uh, maybe like at the agency, like CIA?

• 28:52Speaker 03

  DIA, maybe?

• 28:54Shawn Ryan?

  What were you doing at CIA?

• 28:56Speaker 03

  So CIA, I worked for their CFO and comptroller.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  And we built, you know, to justify to Congress, they were like, hey, we're going to cut a fifth of your budget, we're taking away a base in Afghanistan, we're closing them down so we can take 20% of your budget. And they were having to make all of these decisions and not get their money taken away. And so that kind of transpired into helping them figure out, what, what can we do? How can we build? We need to know what you're spending your money on so that you can then justify it to them while you need to keep it and...

• 29:34Speaker 03

  You really start to learn that our government doesn't, our tax dollars don't align to the mission that they're actually doing. Like, I think that's the thing that you realize. There's, there's so much fluff in these contracts that they do work that doesn't actually do anything the CIA wants them to do, for instance. So, we had to uncover everything they were spending their money on, which was a lot, and then kind of piece it back together for them to tell the story of, how can we get Congress to give us our money? So, we did build the gold standard for how they did that. OD and I adopted it. It was very cool.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  It was very cool because we got to get into like, Director of Operations and DS and how they move and what, where their money goes. Because where their money goes is where their priorities go. And that started me on the, the follow the money kind of journey. I think the money tells a better picture than what the story is that you tell people. Because the CIA goes and tells Senate they're doing XYZ, but their money tells a different story. So you start to see that, that gap.

• 30:48Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, that sounds like there's a lot of controversy on your time within the intelligence

• 30:54Speaker 03

  There is.

• 30:55Shawn Ryan?

  agencies. So, which I'm not really familiar with because I'm not on social anymore. So I don't, I don't really pay attention to any of this

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Good for you.

• 31:04Shawn Ryan?

  shit. But, um, so, I mean, do you want to address that at all, or?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think

• 31:12Shawn Ryan?

  Because there's not really any way to verify it, especially as a contractor.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  I mean, I was a blue badger for the DIA for a good 10 months before I was like, no. I went through that process of the testing and the psychiatrist and all that when I joined DIA. I mean, there are ways to verify it, but I, to me, I don't owe them, I don't owe that to some random person on the internet. My stuff that I talk about, people have a very hard time when someone comes out and, and blows up quick, which is what happened to me. Never in a million years thought it. Like, I didn't have social media prior. I'm

• 31:59Speaker 03

  not a very, I'm a very introverted person. But I started talking about Epstein and the government shut down and just yelling about that. And then finding all this other stuff and researching it. It was so fascinating to me. And people have such a problem with that and they just start to discredit you. And at first, it was really hard for me because I'm like, that's not, you're lying about me. Why would you lie? Why would I get on the internet and say I worked in the intel community? And when I didn't, I, apparently people do that.

• 32:28Shawn Ryan?

  Lots of people do that.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  I didn't, I didn't know that. Because to me, you can ask certain questions. Ask about a poly, ask about what even a test you went through, or what the buildings, there's so many ways to validate that. Lying about it seems dumb. But I learned that it's an attempt to discredit me and that's okay. I mean, I have people in the intel community who would come out, but I wasn't using my real name. So, people got mad about that. I can't find you anywhere. Well, no shit. And look what happens when you do. Like, I knew how evil people could be, which is why I stayed off social media for so long. I get on and within six, six months being on social media, I'm already, you're posting

• 33:13Speaker 03

  pictures of my kids. Like,

• 33:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:17Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't like that. So I did try to keep my privacy. And I know who I am. And I didn't feel like I needed to validate it. And the people who follow me and look at my stuff, it's all, they're viable. I, I follow the money. You can, that's the great thing about it. You can look at proof. So if you don't believe me, that's fine. But the discredit, the attempt to discredit people I've seen is crazy right now on social media. So, I don't have much to say to them. Think what you want.

• 33:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:57Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I know some of them. And some of them have been after me for a long time, too, apparently. But, you know, I always think it's just best not to give them the time of day.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. They don't deserve it. I, it's, sometimes it takes, it takes me a minute. But there, there are also coordinated attacks. You can tell, you can tell they're all doing it at the same time. They're reposting messages at the same time. They're using the same narrative. It's happening across multiple different groups of people. And so, it's, it's an obvious

• 34:30Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I think the Green Beret guy might have some mental issues.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  I definitely

• 34:35Shawn Ryan?

  He sent me, he was blasting me about something and then he like, sent me this long apology letter, which I don't, I don't care. And, like I said, I don't, I don't think about you.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  I know.

• 34:49Shawn Ryan?

  And then, and then, I don't know, maybe a month, maybe less than a month, maybe a little more than a month. Not long after he sent the big, long apology letter, he started blasting me again. And he's just been blasting me ever since. I mean, I don't pay any attention. It's, it's interesting to know how much real estate I own in that man's head. It's actually kind of cool. It's like, wow.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  You live rent free.

• 35:11Shawn Ryan?

  I'm actually controlling your life.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  Yes, you do.

• 35:13Shawn Ryan?

  And I don't even fucking pay attention to you. It's that pathetic. But

• 35:17Speaker 03

  I know.

• 35:18Shawn Ryan?

  I hope that guy gets some help sometime soon.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  I know. And it seems to be these ex, like, these ex-special forces, guys coming after me. And it was when I had, like, I, their first attack on me was a, a financial piece I had done on Corey Mills.

• 35:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, one of the other guys, he completely, these people are, I think this whole group is a little mentally unstable. Because I remember the other, there's another one that was on that pack. And he got into it with his wife or something. And then he started, he started like, posting all this shit. But he was like, he was like emotional and like, talking about this stuff going on with his wife. I can't remember what was, I can't remember what it is, but I was, I was just like, wow dude, you're pathetic. And you are way too addicted to the internet right now.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:09Shawn Ryan?

  Keep that shit private. You know, go to, find a therapist or something. Don't post that shit on X.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  No. I think they take it out on people, too. Like, what are your credentials? Why, why are you questioning mine? I can prove mine. What are, what are yours? Like, why, they don't, they don't have them. So, it's like, this is your life now. Social media is your life. I don't ever want it to be mine. Like, I don't want social media to be the only thing I do. It's just not who I am naturally. But it is yours and you're going to come for people for that?

• 36:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  You'll be exposed.

• 36:42Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's get away from this bullshit internet drama. So what's some of the stuff that you're uncovering? What's, what's, what's, you know, let's start with, what do we got? Well, actually, let's go into the corporate intelligence stuff.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 36:56Shawn Ryan?

  So, I want to talk more about what you're doing today.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, Black Widow Global, my LLC that I've tried to keep private, tried to keep them very separate. My clients are very private. But, yeah, I support private equity, mergers and acquisitions. Those were my first clients. Those are the ones I really like doing. You know, you get your due diligence. And sometimes, if they have a question, maybe they think fraud is going on. A board, for instance, is fraud going on in this company and leadership? Can you, can you look into it? And you start by looking at the people. Are they even capable of it? Some people just aren't capable of committing fraud. So,

• 37:43Speaker 03

  that's what I do. And I've uncovered a lot. I mean, CEOs who have bought private jets and not told, like, hidden them in vendor, vendor payments. And, you know, fraud that's happened across, across leadership teams. Yeah, it's, it's crazy. It's a crazy world that

• 38:05Shawn Ryan?

  You have political clients?

• 38:06Speaker 03

  I've started to get political clients

• 38:08Shawn Ryan?

  What are you doing for them?

• 38:09Speaker 03

  Because of social media. I will help look into their, their opponents and help them with messaging certain, certain things about them. I don't, I don't do personal attacks. That's not what I find about people either. I'll do, where are they invested? Do they, have they, have they committed fraud? Does it look like they've committed fraud? Are they involved with another country? Are they invested in another country? We have so many of our politicians that are. So many of our politicians that have allegedly committed, looks like they're, they're just openly committing, committing fraud. And if you're

• 38:51Speaker 03

  going to do it with your personal life, you're going to do it in politics. You're going to do it with my tax dollars. So how can we pull that out and, and tell people? So, I'm, I'm really liking that, that role. And a lot of people on social media have asked me with midterms coming up, can you compare opponents for us? Can you, because, I mean, I'm of the mindset, left first, right is not there anymore. It's not Democrat and Republican anymore. It's, it's America first and not. So who of the opponents is, is less shady? That's where we're at as a, as a country. Which of our opponents is less shady?

• 39:25Shawn Ryan?

  Well, speaking of that, Polly Market has the Democrats sitting at a 44% chance of a midterm sweep. With your work inside the political operative space, what do you think about that?

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think it could be higher. I, I think the Democrats are going to sweep. And I'm not, I'm not a Democrat either. So

• 39:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Why do you think that?

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Because I, and this is just too off, off social media and messaging, but because the right has divided itself so much, it seems. And they did it during the primaries, fighting so hard against, like, Thomas Massey. You've divided the party. And those people aren't going to go to the polls. In the primaries, that was great for you, right? Your opponent won. But it's Republican or Republican. When you go Republican and Democrat, when you've got half the party that's like, I'm not going to go vote because the person you put in isn't who I want in, I'm not going to vote Democrat, so I'm just not voting. Well, you've just limited. And I think the Democrats are going to go out in full force. They're going

• 40:32Speaker 03

  to vote. So I do think that the division of the right is going to cause the Democrats to win.

• 40:39Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think caused the division of the right?

• 40:45Shawn Ryan?

  Like with Massey, did you look into that?

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I looked.

• 40:48Shawn Ryan?

  Did you look into that?

• 40:49Speaker 03

  I looked.

• 40:50Shawn Ryan?

  Election, I mean, that was the biggest, what, the most expensive election? Or what do they say?

• 40:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, the most paid for, I think they dumped thirty. I'm gonna go with like forty, forty-five, if you were to look at it. All said and done, million and two, having Massey lose.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  I looked into the woman that they had that was accusing him. She was getting money for her school board. All of a sudden, I looked into Ed Gallerian and where his funds were coming from. And it was obviously a paid-for election. And, yeah, they won. So, that right there, that, when Massey lost, I think that's what divided. That was like the straw that broke the camel's back. You have like the people who are screaming and saying, MAGA, MAGA, MAGA, Trump. Everything Trump's doing is right. And people can see, like, no, he came in, lied. People are mad about it.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Are we gonna have self-awareness and address that? Or are we not? And they're not, and that's where the party is dividing. So I think it kind of all happened. And I think Charlie Kirk's assassination almost was like the catalyst to it all. If you look back, that's what it looks like.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  What do you think?

• 42:25Shawn Ryan?

  What do I think, why it's divided?

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, what do you think, why it's divided?

• 42:28Shawn Ryan?

  I think it's divided for a whole multitude of reasons. I think it's, I mean, but, I mean, we can get into all of it. But I think it's divided because the lies have been so blatant.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:43Shawn Ryan?

  From the original campaign. That's why I think, I think that Joe Kent's resignation was maybe a big, maybe the first catalyst. Not the first catalyst, but the first big, oh shit, you know?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  And how they treated him after that.

• 43:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, and his deceased wife.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:05Shawn Ryan?

  As well. But I think it, I think it was, I mean, everything's pretty much broken down, you know? No new wars. We're in a big war.

• 43:17Shawn Ryan?

  No new, you know, the Maha movement. We're gonna, we're gonna save the food. Then we give, you know, the glyphosate company immunity. You know, we're gonna hold all these social media guys accountable for the censorship. They're sitting behind everybody at inauguration. We're going to, like, it, we're gonna end the Ukraine war before I even get into office. Still going strong.

• 43:47Shawn Ryan?

  We're.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  No, you're, I mean, you're exactly right. You're exactly right.

• 43:55Shawn Ryan?

  What are some more?

• 43:57Speaker 03

  The Epstein files.

• 43:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, the Epstein files, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna hold people accountable for the Epstein files. The only names that have been released are the victims.

• 44:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, all that stuff.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  Yep, no, I agree. It's, it's a wild time right now in politics. And I couldn't have an opinion for so many years. Because when you're in that space, you're not allowed to have a, an opinion on politics. You have to keep quiet. Coming out of it and learning it all and looking back at the playbooks. Because that's, that's what you learn, like, at the CIA. I was read into all of our programs that don't, don't ever become unclassified. Kind of the beauty of being that money person. And you look at our playbook and how we do it against other countries.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  And it's real hard for me. As someone with no memories, it's almost like pattern recognition is the only thing I can rely on.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  And you see it being deployed on, on Americans now. And I think that is what is so scary to me. And why I even started on social media to yell about it. Because it's happening, like, we're doing it, and we're not even good at it. Like, we fail multiple times. I don't know any time we've really been successful. And now we're doing it to our own people? Like, I don't know. I, I wanna rate, I want to, I want my daughters to be in a country where there was, like it was ten, twenty years ago, at least. Dark, but not whatever we are now.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  And I don't necessarily think it's just social media or access to information that's causing all of this. I think it's a behavior of people.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  The fact that so many people get away with buying influencers and they don't have to say who they are. But you're pushing a political agenda to do so.

• 45:59Shawn Ryan?

  Well, did you see that Big Time article that just came out? About the big, the big influencer campaign?

• 46:07Speaker 03

  The Brad, the, the 7K.

• 46:12Shawn Ryan?

  No, no, no, no, it was after that. I'll pull it up after this and, and re-review it and bring it to you. But actually, maybe we should do that right now. But actually, first, so are you, you're, are you an economist?

• 46:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean.

• 46:26Shawn Ryan?

  So I wanna talk to you about the petrodollar. Because that scares the shit out of me.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:31Shawn Ryan?

  You know, with, with the, with, with, I mean, you know about BRICS, I'm sure. You know, and, what is it? UAE already said when they run out of dollars, they're gonna trade in the Chinese yuan.

• 46:47Shawn Ryan?

  The Strait of Hormuz now, I mean, will never be the same again. Because what this war did is, I mean,

• 46:59Shawn Ryan?

  now Iran knows they can control it. And so I'm sure there'll be all kinds of taxes and that kind of stuff going through the straits. And, you know, and they've, it's, anyways. So it's not looking good for the petrodollar. Can you go into that at all? Have you looked into that?

• 47:19Speaker 03

  I haven't looked into it as far as like what's happening now. And I, and I should, I need to. It's been on my list. I, I do have so many people who have talked about how it's, it's basically going to be the thing that takes over.

• 47:35Shawn Ryan?

  What's gonna be the thing?

• 47:37Speaker 03

  How, so I have a lot of people on social media talking about, we go after countries. And they're tied to this, that it's all about the petrodollar. And I haven't looked into it yet. But so many people are concerned about it. I just haven't.

• 47:58Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  So, sorry.

• 48:01Shawn Ryan?

  All good.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  I can get, I can get info on it and, but.

• 48:05Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so where do we move from here?

• 48:12Speaker 03

  What do you mean, like, our conversation?

• 48:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's talk about the.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  TPUSA or?

• 48:19Shawn Ryan?

  TPUSA.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  David Raj, this CIA guy, or?

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Wherever you wanna go.

• 48:25Shawn Ryan?

  Let's go TPUSA.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  My favorite topic.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  Just in general.

• 48:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  So, it's interesting, because Charlie Kirk, my kids had come home the day before.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  Their school has one of the largest TPUSA chapters in the nation. And they came home and they were like, everyone is hating on it, the protests outside. And I'm like, they're like, everyone hates Charlie Kirk. He's so bad, he thinks this and this and this. And I was like, he, that's not what he thinks. He, he gets people to talk. That's what I appreciated about him. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I appreciated how he got people to talk about politics. I feel like we've lost that art and it's kind of separated and divided people. And then the next day, you see that he is, he is assassinated. And immediately it was, like, what? What do you mean, someone shot him? It was crazy.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  But then I learn a few days later, maybe a week later, that he had asked for this Doge-like assessment, eight days before he was killed. He wanted financials and operations to be looked at. And as somebody who works with CEOs, when they say that, they, they, they think something's up. They think maybe one of their executives is, is doing something. They think something's wrong with their company. It's not adding up, because you don't ask for something like that if, if everything's good. And so I was like, well, I wonder what they would have found. Let me just start digging into, what would they have found if they looked into the financials and they looked into the operations?

• 50:04Speaker 03

  Was there anything? And that is just what started to uncover everything. And.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  Assassination aside, this says, I don't like linking anything. It's not linked to his his death at all. The financials of this nonprofit specifically, it's a very well-funded. It has grown, I think, like 300 and something percent from the time it started. Just 2024 to 2025 alone, it went from 85 million to 115 million dollars. That's huge.

• 50:41Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  And five donors give 80 some percent of their money.

• 50:46Shawn Ryan?

  Who are the donors?

• 50:47Speaker 03

  So, the, the Wilkes Brothers, I think, like the Bradley Fund.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  Robert Schillman gives it through this charity so that his name wasn't attached, but it came out that he pulled it, $2 million, two days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated. He's one. I'm, I would think, Maryam Adelson, they're, they keep them secret. It's dark, it's dark, it's dark money. It's very hard to figure out who the donors are unless you go and look at their filings, which is what I, I did. But I only found three of them. But you can see that there's five donors. So, that was interesting. And then when you start to look at the vendors, that's where I go to first. If you're gonna look at a financial form and you're assessing an organization, you go to the vendors first, because that's

• 51:39Speaker 03

  the easiest way to hide money. Hey, I'm gonna hire you, friend. I'm gonna give you 300 grand to do marketing for me. Done. Now my friend gets 300 grand, and I siphon it back to me. And that's how a lot of people do it. So you look at their vendors. And when I started to look at their vendors, all of the LLCs were tracing back to friends or people inside of the organization. And I was like, well, that's strange. Over 20 million dollars. And so I'm like, well, this would have alerted me if I was CEO. Where's my money going? In 2023, they had, they spent more than they took in, which was crazy, because

• 52:22Speaker 03

  I think it was like 70 million dollars. And I think that around then.

• 52:27Shawn Ryan?

  What did they spend it on?

• 52:28Speaker 03

  They spent it on these vendors that are marketing. They, they put out papers. They put out the things asking you to donate, the, the campaigns. It's literally printed material. Tens of millions of dollars. And the thing is, on the form, you only have to list your top five vendors. Then you have to tell them how many make over 100K. And on their 2024 form, I think they had five vendors that were getting paid 7 million dollars. Then the vendors that made over 100K, 62 or 64. So you have 64 other random

• 53:10Speaker 03

  vendors getting paid over 100,000 dollars. That's, that's a lot. And you don't have to report them on that form. And I think that's where some of the LLCs live, that I have found. So, there's, there's financial irregularities. Because I have a fraud examiner license, it's a fraud person. And.

• 53:38Shawn Ryan?

  So you're saying that these donors would, would funnel the money in, and then it would come right back out to the vendors? Is that what you're saying?

• 53:48Speaker 03

  So the donors give the money.

• 53:50Shawn Ryan?

  60 something vendors are getting paid over 100,000 dollars. That's, what, 6 million?

• 53:57Speaker 03

  It's at least, it's at least.

• 53:59Shawn Ryan?

  But it's a 115 million dollar nonprofit. That's what they're making a year?

• 54:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what they're bringing in. And, and if you look at it, like I did a breakdown of.

• 54:12Shawn Ryan?

  Roughly 85, so roughly 85 million is kind of what you're saying, is from a small group of three to five people?

• 54:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd say like 70 to 85 million. They get not a ton from people. But most of their budget, if you look at it, most of their, goes to these conferences and events that you have to pay to go to. How's that a nonprofit?

• 54:39Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, did you? I don't know. Did you, you had to pay to go to those?

• 54:42Speaker 03

  I, I've never been. But you do have to pay 350 for an adult and like 75 for a student or something. So you're spending tens of millions of dollars on these events that are your number one cost. And people have to pay to go to them? Isn't that, that's actually like not a nonprofit, right?

• 55:01Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 03

  I would think.

• 55:03Shawn Ryan?

  See, I thought he was doing all this stuff for free at college campuses.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  Oh, the college campus thing is for free, but they're like Amfest and all these big events that they have?

• 55:13Shawn Ryan?

  Oh.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Where most of their money goes, you have to pay.

• 55:16Shawn Ryan?

  The convention stuff?

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. So if you're a nonprofit, I'm just, it's very interesting to me that.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  And they have, I mean, if you look, they have four entities. It's not just TPUSA. They have an endowment. They have their, their TPUSA action, which is their political arm. And then they have the Americas. And they just funnel money to them all. And then it goes out the door. So if you look at their behavior, it just starts to muddy the money. That's all it does. And you're like, why are you doing that? They have reported wages, 3, 3 and a half million dollars, and they reported zero employees on one of their things. Just like, I don't know how you're getting away with this, to be honest. And so all

• 56:04Speaker 03

  of that just led me down the path of who, who could be involved in, in this financial stuff? Like who do the LLCs trace back to? And it's all their executive leadership. And it's crazy. And so, it's like, why did he ask? Maybe that's why.

• 56:21Shawn Ryan?

  So are you saying that's why you think he was killed? He put in an inquiry to basically put in an audit?

• 56:26Speaker 03

  I don't think that's why he was killed. I don't think that's why he was killed at all. I think that the people who had motivations, if you were one, okay, we'll say allegedly, if you were one of the theory that Tyler Robinson didn't do it, if you were to look at other people, and if you look at their motivations of, what would they have covered up and why? Like, why would they be in on this? You look at their financial motivations, and you look at who had the most to gain. Like, who's gained the most since his death financially? Rob McCoy, the pastor, who was part of TPUSA Faith, Mikey

• 57:08Speaker 03

  McCoy's dad. He's gotten a lot of notoriety. Tyler Boyer, Andrew Kovat, all, all of them. They've gained financially. Not saying they had anything to do with it, but it, it's something that like, you should look at. This probably gave me a lot of trouble.

• 57:26Shawn Ryan?

  How they, how, I mean, what, what have they gained financially? What are they just sucking money out of the nonprofit now? Is it, or they, did they increase their salary? How are they gaining financially?

• 57:39Speaker 03

  Different people, different ways. So Resolute Media, you know, where they run this show out of, that they call, still call The Charlie Kirk Show. And they, that's a for-profit entity. And they're using the name and likeness of a nonprofit for the for-profit. And you have to pay royalty fees to do that. And they're not anywhere. There, there's no royalty fees being paid. And when you have Salem Media hooked up to that, that does the ads and stuff?

• 58:10Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I don't think anybody even watches that anymore.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  They don't.

• 58:14Shawn Ryan?

  So that wouldn't be a big financial gain.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  But it is if their advertisers are paying them to push whatever messages, just like advertising does, push whatever messages, and all of a sudden The Charlie Kirk Show started coming out against, against Israel. And they're pouring all this money into influencers. That's gonna not look good. And then the donors start pulling out, and now they don't. They are 100% on the different page than Charlie Kirk was when he was assassinated. Just looking at it from that perspective, it's, that's how they'd make their money, advertisers.

• 58:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but they'd still have to, I'm just challenging you here.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:56Shawn Ryan?

  But, I mean, they would still have to, if there's nobody watching, advertisers aren't gonna pay anything because nobody's watching. And, I mean, I don't, I don't watch it, you know what I mean? So I don't, I don't know. But I don't, I don't know any, I don't, I knew a lot of people that wanted to watch Charlie Kirk.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:19Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know anybody that wants to watch the new folks.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, I mean, that's a great point. And that's why I think.

• 59:29Shawn Ryan?

  And so I would actually, I would think that they would probably be losing money. A lot of money.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  And you might be right. But the way that they operate on social media, it's not, so it's not just their show. It's they're, they're pushing out messages on social media, helping politicians.

• 59:51Shawn Ryan?

  So you think that maybe they're making the money for pushing narratives, not from advertisers?

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, but I, I think that their advertisers, you know, Salem Media was their host and Brad Parscale is the one that gets.

• 1:00:04Shawn Ryan?

  Who, who are their advertisers?

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  That's a great question. I don't watch their show.

• 1:00:08Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  But Brad Parscale, who owns Salem Media, was the one that gets, I think now he's up to $60 million from, from Israel. He's in Farah. They pay him to push out this stuff. He's, and he's registered in Farah. They were distributing the Charlie Kirk Show. So pushing out that narrative, not necessarily advertisers, it could be that money, which is money to push political narratives.

• 1:00:38Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know what narratives they're pushing?

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  I mean, they are.

• 1:00:43Shawn Ryan?

  I'm just a genuine, I don't watch it.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  What they've been, oh, I haven't, I don't watch them. I don't watch the show. No, but on social media, they push out like the anti-fraud government, J D Vance, that whole task force. They pushed that out really hard. They pushed out the Iran war. They're for it.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Anything that Trump says, they, they push out. So definitely pro-Israel.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Merging of the militaries is a good thing, things like that. It's.

• 1:01:21Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  AI data centers aren't bad.

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  Things like that, that you're just like, huh?

• 1:01:29Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  I think there's big money to be made in that. If, if I was willing to sell my soul.

• 1:01:36Shawn Ryan?

  Well, yeah, I mean, what they already caught them, what paying? I mean, I don't know who, but people, they're paying people, what, $7,000?

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  7,000 a post. 20 to 30 posts a month. That's a lot of money.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  That's a lot of money.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  And they're ramping up the budget.

• 1:01:55Shawn Ryan?

  Was it a post or was it a month or was it a week?

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  A post.

• 1:01:58Shawn Ryan?

  It was $7,000 per post.

• 1:02:03Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have a list of who was taking that money, budget?

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  I wish. Which, people are trying to work on getting it.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  I mean, you can tell, I mean,

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  the far-right influencers who have become so big and they went to the Tyler Robinson trial and came out and said,

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  we saw the shot. We saw the shot.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  And then they had to back, they didn't. So like, anyone who said that, it came out, so it, no.

• 1:02:34Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, some of it, you know, like, I think it kind of started with the, remember when all the influencers went to the White House and held up the Epstein files? And then it turned out that all that shit had already been released anyways, and there was a big nothing burger? I mean, I think that, I don't think it's always money, you know, I think that it, it, I think a lot of people, they get, uh, they think they're somebody now because they've been to the White House or they're around the president or the vice president or the administration and, and they, they feel like they're part of something. And then they start feeling powerful and, I mean, all this kind of stuff. And, and I think that the, you know, I think that

• 1:03:18Shawn Ryan?

  the administration can take advantage of that, not just this administration, all the administrations, you know? And you bring them in, you have dinner with them and

• 1:03:30Shawn Ryan?

  you know what I mean? And so it's, it's like a capture. It's a capture. Cause we got invited to a bunch of this shit. And I was like, no, we don't fucking do that. We don't need, I don't need to be in photos with them, holding up.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  You're not a fed?

• 1:03:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  That's all I keep hearing is that you're a fed.

• 1:03:47Shawn Ryan?

  I don't think all these people are feds. I don't think they understand what's happening to them. I think they're overwhelmed with the sense of, of, they feel like they've accomplished something. They feel like they're a big, they're a part of something. They feel powerful, you know? And they're overwhelmed with these feelings and, and, and their ego gets, you know, involved, extremely inflated. And, and, and they can't see past it, you know what I mean? They can't see past, you're being used.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Shawn Ryan?

  Like, once you're in that, you can't fucking get out.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Shawn Ryan?

  Like, once you have been there and you held the binder up, you're done.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Shawn Ryan?

  Like, you're on that team. That is it. That's it.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and, and I don't think that's a payment. I mean, you could give a lot of people a, a, a White House invite and they'll be like, fuck, yeah, let's go. It's the White House, you know, and, and it's, it's, it's, you know, it's a feeling of being, uh, entering a new, uh, uh, what, how do I say, like a, a new social level.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's kind of, I guess like influencers.

• 1:04:58Shawn Ryan?

  To the next tier. I've advanced to the top tier.

• 1:05:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and, and I don't think that costs a lot of money. Maybe it does. I mean, but I think a lot of them are, um, unfortunately very foolish and just got roped into something, you know, not even fucking realizing it. Do you think that's a possibility?

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  I think that, yeah, I mean, your, your guess is as good as mine, but I do think that the White House is almost like, um, like an influencer event. If you're a beauty influencer and you get invited by a beauty product to go somewhere and they, they treat you well and you go, and then you go back, you're still paid to push that product. So going to the White House is almost just like getting everyone together on board, same page. But then you go back and you're paid to push it. I don't think they would do it for free. I don't think they believe, I don't think they believe it enough. I don't think they believe, actually. I think they maybe talked themselves into it perhaps. I don't think they actually believe the narratives they're pushing. You can't pause.

• 1:06:05Shawn Ryan?

  Well, they might not now.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Shawn Ryan?

  But they're also, like I had mentioned, they're captured, they're trapped.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  Yep. No, I think you're right. It could have easily started as something that was innocent. I want to support the government. Government wouldn't lie to me.

• 1:06:18Shawn Ryan?

  You can see a couple of them that have kind of backed off, you know? They haven't really changed to the narrative or, or their direction, but they've, the, some of them are not near as loud as they used to be.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  Do you have names? Thank you.

• 1:06:36Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, I don't like mentioning names, but we'll bleep it. D C Draino. You know, and I, like I said, I haven't been on in over a month on any of this shit. But, uh, cause I think it's pretty worthless at this point, but, um, but like, I've noticed that dude has kind of like toned it down a little bit. And he was one of them out there, you know?

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  He, he was one holding the binder. I don't see his stuff pop up, so maybe. He was very right though, right? Like, he was very like.

• 1:07:08Shawn Ryan?

  But on the flip side, that, that Time article that I just, uh, was talking about, I mean, it, and, and I, I need to read it. Actually, let's, let's take a break. I'm gonna go pull it up.

• 1:07:24Shawn Ryan?

  You've seen the movie. Guy walks through a train station, pulls a phone out of his jacket, makes one call, drops it in a trash can and keeps walking. Clean. That's not Hollywood. That's tradecraft. And the principle behind it is simple. Never let one piece of your life connect to another. Here's your problem. You've got one number. It's on your bank account. It's on your kid's school forms, the pizza place, the dating app, the guy who sold you your truck. One number in every part of your life is wired to it. That's not a phone. That's a map to your front door and it's for sale.

• 1:08:06Shawn Ryan?

  Glacier gives you burner numbers. Any US area code you want. Hand it out, use it, and the second it starts filling up with spam calls or somebody you'd rather not hear from again, you delete it. It's gone. Make another one. That's the loud half. Here's the quiet half. Right now, sitting in your pocket, your phone is talking. Apps you're not even using are calling out to servers you've never heard of, telling them where you are, what you look at, what you buy. You never approved it. It just happens all day, every day. Glacier's secure DNS cuts those calls before they connect, not after, before.

• 1:08:48Shawn Ryan?

  Two days after we launched, I checked my own phone. 837 trackers blocked. Before lunch. This is intelligence-grade protection. The kind of thing that used to cost tens of thousands of dollars a phone and only went to people with clearances. Now it's an app and it could be yours. And I want to be straight with you. I'm not reading somebody else's ad. I'm a co-founder of this company. I put my name, my money and a year of my life into building this. Alongside the people who did the work for real. I use it every single day. Install the app, hit connect and you're protected. That's it. It's that simple.

• 1:09:33Shawn Ryan?

  TheGlacierApp.com or find Glacier in the App Store. Remember, privacy isn't paranoia. It's protection.

• 1:09:49Shawn Ryan?

  I had Claude do a little, I had to dub it down, dub down the article real quick. Time reports that Brad Parscale, Trump's 2020 campaign manager and digital strategist, has been running a paid FARA-registered influence campaign inside the United States on behalf of the Israeli government, aimed squarely at young conservatives in the MAGA base. U.S. officials separately suspect the same network amplified criticism of Trump's Iran ceasefire. Parscale denies that second claim outright. A U.S. intelligence official told Time, "The unusual part is not that a foreign government ran an influence operation.

• 1:10:33Shawn Ryan?

  Russia, Iran, and China all do. But the target, not swing voters, not the general public, but the sitting president's own political base." The same official noted that "if there is one Parscale, there are likely others." Have you heard about this?

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've gone deep into Brad Parscale's operation, too. He has multiple LLCs that do different things, like Nucleus sends out these tags. I have some. I did a whole conversation with their bot the other day, asking me about my, my views on Israel and the U.S. strategic relationship. And they're trying to convince people that Israel's protecting itself. And the bot even was just like, then they'd also do the paid influencers. And that's why, that's one of the operations that I think that The Charlie Kirk Show is operating under, like we were talking about earlier.

• 1:11:30Shawn Ryan?

  You think they're doing that?

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  I do.

• 1:11:32Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have any proof of that?

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  Well, we have pulled up, like, the coordinated messaging. So, for instance, the ceasefire, the minute it happened, they all had the same sort of messaging, and you can get it from the Andrew Colvets and the Benny Johnsons and, and all of the people who are pushing these narratives, they have the same timing and the same words. And if you look for it, it's really easy to see that they're all doing it together. So, I don't think they're doing it for free, and Brad Parscale's operation is the biggest one.

• 1:12:06Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  And they, he has to report in FARA. And you can go in there, and I have just recently, he's gotten more money, and you can see every transaction that, that they pay him a month. It's gone from like, 3 million to like, 15 million a month. It's a well-oiled machine that, that they push out these narratives, but...

• 1:12:32Shawn Ryan?

  It's gone from 3 million to, what's gone from 3 million?

• 1:12:35Speaker 03

  Like, it's like, 12 million a month now, 15 million a month, something like that.

• 1:12:39Shawn Ryan?

  What is?

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  How much his companies get from this German advertising company, that's how they do it. Israel pays this German, I think it's called HAV, it begins with an H. Israel pays this German advertising company, who then pays the U.S., so that technically you can say, "You're not getting paid by Israel, but you're registered in FARA under Israel." And that's how they're doing it. And so he gives the money to these influencers, and they can say, "I'm not doing this for Israel," because technically, they're not. Yeah, he has to report all of that, and the money has just grown, he registered in FARA just within a week of Charlie Kirk's assassination.

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  And then the money has just substantially increased since.

• 1:13:26Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez.

• 1:13:27Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 1:13:28Shawn Ryan?

  You got anybody else doing this, or?

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Just me. Me researching all this.

• 1:13:34Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I mean, who else is taking money like that?

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  So, Salem Media, there, there's another, I don't remember her position, COO, something like that. She's registered in FARA as well. Their operation, no one else, do I think they, that certain people should be, absolutely. I think that there are a few that should be registered in FARA. But Pam Bondi, back in 2025, one of the first things she did when she got in was, you don't have to register in FARA unless you're literally an agent for that country. She stripped the, the FARA requirements.

• 1:14:18Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. Let's talk about Waze.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:23Shawn Ryan?

  The app.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:25Shawn Ryan?

  What's going on with Waze? A lot of people use Waze.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  A lot of people, I, I used to use. Somebody, you know, like, .25 people or something, percent, 2, .25% of people read Terms and Services. Do you read Terms and Services, conditions?

• 1:14:44Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  No, I don't either. Well, in Waze's Terms and Services, somebody on, online, read it, one of the unicorns, and it said, in their clearest day, it's run by, by Israel. It's run out of Israel, and it's run by Israel, and if you sue them for any sort of reason, if something happens, you have to sue the app, you have to go to Israel to do it. You can't do it in the United States. And so when I looked more into it, I was like, "That's really interesting." And Google bought it for 1.3 billion back in like, 2012, something like that. But they didn't require Waze to leave Israel, and they allowed them to keep their Terms

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  and Services, so that if anything happened, it was run out of Israel, but your data, over there, everything. All of your data that you give Waze, sitting over there, and Google allowed that. And I was curious, I was like, "How, how many other apps are like this?" There are quite a few, quite a few, that if something happened, like, I know if you sue X, and I only know this because another creator tried to do it, she had to go to Texas for her filing, like, weird state things. But with Waze, you have to go to Israel, and they're not like our, you don't get a jury, you don't, it costs you more to go, to even do that. And I'm like, "How does an app run a U.S.-based app? Everyone thinks Google owns it.

• 1:16:12Speaker 03

  How are they allowed to do this without telling you? Are we just gonna put everything in these Terms and Services, so nobody reads it anymore?" Like, that's why I think the trust is gone. Like, do I have to read Terms and Services now? That's what it does. You all operated, run out of, and the three founders of it are former IDF 8200.

• 1:16:33Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:35Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  So, that's...

• 1:16:37Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I guess something you could do is just copy and paste all the Terms and Services and run it through an AI program at this point, now that it's up and running.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:16:45Shawn Ryan?

  That'll tell you all the red flags.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think we could even, like, what I'm gonna do is try to set up an agent to go and just search Terms and Services agreements and pull out any with red flags, because there are some weird ones operating in the United States, too, that I don't think people realize what they're doing, what they're signing.

• 1:17:02Shawn Ryan?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  And it'd be interesting to see how many, so...

• 1:17:05Shawn Ryan?

  Probably pretty much all of them.

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  I know. But this one, the Israel part, was, was, I don't think Google is being forthcoming. And, and I think if they told people, when I told people, so many people deleted the app. But you need to give people that choice. Otherwise, they lose trust in what you're doing. And is that where we're at? I don't, that's the problem.

• 1:17:29Shawn Ryan?

  What about the Flock cameras?

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Oh, fuck. Have you, do you know, like, anything about them? You know Nashville's one of the number one places that use them? You know that?

• 1:17:42Shawn Ryan?

  I did not know that. I've been waiting to talk to somebody about this. I haven't dug into it much yet, but I know everybody's pissed off about it.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  Okay, so Flock was founded by three Georgia Tech students, who, they were like, "The license plate is the, the thing that helps you find the bad guys. That's, that's your nucleus. So, we should be able to track license plates, stop crime." The intention was good, I think, when they started it. Then they got some investors, and those investors have taken them to new levels. And they're selling them to police departments and everything, and they're creating add-ons. So now, the Flock camera grabs your license plate, great, can track you. But now they have an add-on called Nova, note, Flock Nova, and that add-on now says,

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  "Oh, this license plate is owned by Sean Ryan." And I now can link everything about him and, from databases that we have, open source. So, your emails, LinkedIn, all of the stuff you can find, open source. Okay, your address, that's not great, but they've also, this hacker, white glove hacker, found a vulnerability where they actually were also getting information from the dark web. So that means that they're getting your bank account, too. And they're getting your social security number. And they're able to have that by you driving by. That's no longer, we're gonna get into this, preventing crime. That's starting to look like surveillance.

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  And then they've also partnered with this other company, and that company can read Bluetooth devices. So if you're a passenger in that car, and you have a Bluetooth device, now they know you're riding with it, they're putting it all together, and then they'll know everything about you because of this Nova add-on. And so, at what point does it stop being you're stopping crime and start being surveillance? And you're building the surveillance state right under people's noses? And I think that's what they're concerned about. There are so many technology advancements being added to what could have just been something to stop crime, that is now getting information on people, innocent people. And that's the, the problem.

• 1:20:03Shawn Ryan?

  Who gets access to this?

• 1:20:04Speaker 03

  We can pull it up. I, I'm gonna show you this, because I think that people would really like this. Um, like a theater, there...

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  Let me pull it up. There is a website called Have I Been Flocked? I suggest everybody go to it. And

• 1:20:28Speaker 03

  in this website, it's just these activists who

• 1:20:35Speaker 03

  these activists put together this website that pulled the audit logs. So, police departments, federal agencies, anyone who accesses Flock to look for a license plate, they've FOIA'd, they've gotten these audit logs. It's not the most up to date. I think it's like a month or two old, and they don't have everybody, but they have over 430 million

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  hits. And so if a police officer is going to look up your license plate because they think you're doing something nefarious, it will show in here. And what they do is they put in their number and they put in the reason that they're looking up your plate, right? Because we can't just look up random people for no reason. And what this audit log is finding, and Have I Been Flocked shows you all of this. You have

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  426,940,000 records in here, okay?

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  You have

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  almost 4.7 million plates that have been searched. And 9% of them were for crime. Nine. The other 91 were for other reasons. Like, that starts to really negate the whole, are you really using it for crime? And they found that, hold on, let me pull up this stat. These are really interesting.

• 1:22:03Speaker 03

  Okay. I have my stats here, I'll give you.

• 1:22:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:22:12Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  84.2% of all of the searches, over 4 million, have no case number, which means that they're not tied to an open case of, I can look up your license plate, there's a warrant for you. 84%. The single most common search reason is blank. Nothing.

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  The median reason is only eight characters long, which just means they're typing something in. And 66.3 million searches have no reason recorded at all for why they looked up your license plate. Or information on you. I think that's crazy.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  And the biggest users, the Nashville, Tennessee Police Department, and Harris County, Texas Sheriff's Office. And they also found that hundreds of thousands of these searches were done by people who weren't authorized to necessarily do it. So, your login information was used by your buddy.

• 1:23:29Speaker 03

  And everyone can go to Have I Been Flocked and they can look up all of this information, like the audit logs. You can go search for your own license plate number, I'm happy to put one in, and see if you've been searched.

• 1:23:43Speaker 03

  It'd be interesting to do some Nashville ones, since you guys use it so much. Because it's like, why would you be looking me up? I'm, I don't do anything.

• 1:23:52Speaker 03

  So, I think it's a really valuable website they're putting together, and they have all of this data, like, how many searches actually apply to crime? How many, what's the most searched reason? I mean, they're searching people who go to protests, who are seen at protests.

• 1:24:08Speaker 03

  And I think that combined with the surveillance aspect of it is where we start to get into,

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  we need to fight this. And then Trump coming out and saying, AI data centers, you're just gonna have to let them happen. Like, I just, yeah, it's, it makes you wonder the purpose of Flock. But LA, just recently, people are fighting this successfully. And this is what I think is important. I'm a big advocate for like, justice. You can fight this still. There are towns that are getting rid of them. There are towns that are, without destroying them. There are towns that are voting them down, and they're winning. LA, which was one of the biggest users, just in July, just this month, they're having to, they're gonna get rid of them. Because of this new technology and

• 1:25:00Speaker 03

  the capabilities that it has, they can't be trusted.

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I think that's why people are concerned, and I think they have every reason to be concerned.

• 1:25:13Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. HaveIBeenFlocked.com?

• 1:25:17Speaker 03

  HaveIBeenFlocked.com.

• 1:25:18Shawn Ryan?

  So, who, who does have access to the, is it, is it just PDs, or?

• 1:25:23Speaker 03

  Interestingly enough, PDs, and you'll see federal agencies in here, like, there are some FBI bureaus in here. But they were in a pilot program nobody knew about. They weren't supposed to have, Flock isn't, it's for states, for police departments. So, they got caught, though, when they FOIA'd for these, these records. They got caught at who was participating in this from a federal level.

• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  Which it would make sense, right? I need access to your cameras. But, yeah. Police departments, federal agencies, those are who

• 1:26:02Speaker 03

  who's accessed in this log. And you can see everyone, you can see if they're in your city, if they're in your town. It's a great website. But it, it also is a website that shows you

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  the auditability and what they're really doing with this. And there was a sheriff caught for looking up a woman who's, who's going to have an abortion. And he looked in three states, woman, abortion, Flock camera, like,

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  I just, it's been reported that there are sheriffs or people in police departments who are using it to go after ex-girlfriends, look to see what they're doing. And that's, when you don't have the right guardrails around it, that's where I think they get into.

• 1:26:45Shawn Ryan?

  Does the LPR do the same thing?

• 1:26:49Shawn Ryan?

  A license plate reader?

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:26:54Speaker 03

  No. Not unless it has this attachment on it.

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  Because you can, the Nova is an attachment to Flock, it's Flock Nova, and they don't have to have a procurement to show you they bought it. So, you don't know which Flock cameras have the capability to look you up or not. And I do think that, whether it does or not, technically, if they had your license plate, they have your name, they could do it. But they're creating this database all in, under the guise of stopping crime.

• 1:27:28Shawn Ryan?

  So, if, let me ask this, because I, I don't like this either, but I can see some benefits. You have kids, right? So, what if, what if one of your kids was kidnapped, and he had the license plate? And he got it to the PD, and they ran it through the Flock system. Can they track real time where the vehicle is?

• 1:27:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:27:49Shawn Ryan?

  And where it is?

• 1:27:50Speaker 03

  Yep. And they even have a drone capability that I read about, that they can deploy to, up to like, 30 feet or something to follow the, the car. Absolutely. I think, I'm a big advocate, and I'm a bit, also a person that's like, if you're not doing, I understand the argument, if you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care? But there is a, a line that is crossed. And if they were using it for just that, great. But when you look at the audit logs, they're not.

• 1:28:21Shawn Ryan?

  So, what would you like to see done? Would you like the Flock cameras to be eradicated? Or would you like there to be better guardrails?

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  I think

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  it's interesting, because I think we're in a state in our country where it's like, trust is just at an all-time low.

• 1:28:43Shawn Ryan?

  There is no trust.

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  There is no trust.

• 1:28:45Shawn Ryan?

  I have zero trust in any government institutions.

• 1:28:48Speaker 03

  Same.

• 1:28:49Shawn Ryan?

  None. Zero.

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  Same. Same.

• 1:28:51Shawn Ryan?

  Nothing.

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  And it's so disheartening. But it's where we're at. And because of that, I don't, I don't think it's either or. I don't, I don't think we can have Flock cameras with proper guardrails because we don't have trust in the people setting up those guardrails. They would abuse it.

• 1:29:07Shawn Ryan?

  I think that, I think maybe even the baby boomer generation is starting to lose trust.

• 1:29:14Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:29:17Shawn Ryan?

  Not all, not all of it, maybe 25, maybe 25%.

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  My grandmother, like, a few, like, a month ago.

• 1:29:22Shawn Ryan?

  I have no idea, but I am, I, I, I'm, I meet some that are, that, I mean, there, it's getting to them, you know? And, and so, I think it's a slow, slow process. I mean, but, but even that, if, that generation is the only ones that have any trust in the government. Maybe I should say it like that. They're the only ones that have any trust left in the government.

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:46Shawn Ryan?

  Is that generation.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:29:48Shawn Ryan?

  And it's gotta be tough for them, I mean, to be at that age and realize, you know, to come to terms with everything that you've ever been told is a fucking crock of bullshit. I mean, that would be tough. Your entire world gets flipped upside down in, what, a year?

• 1:30:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, and why, why?

• 1:30:09Shawn Ryan?

  They're not open to it. They're not even open to the possibility, because it would, it would shatter everything that they know.

• 1:30:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think my, my grandmother is in complete, like, I talked to her just a month or two ago, like, I went to visit her. She always has on Fox News, and she was like, I'm not having any of it. Like, do you realize things that are going on? Nope.

• 1:30:33Speaker 03

  But they're also, she's also 89. And so it's just like,

• 1:30:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:36Speaker 03

  Why, at that point, I don't know if I'd accept it either. I'd be like, I'm just gonna sit here and not,

• 1:30:42Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna pretend the world is good.

• 1:30:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:45Speaker 03

  Because what's my alternative?

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  But yeah, no, trust is at an all-time low. And so I do think for Flock, unfortunately, it's not even the proper guardrails I wouldn't trust. So, you're at a flock.

• 1:30:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I've read in, uh, 2024, there were 40,000 Flock cameras.

• 1:31:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:05Shawn Ryan?

  Then in 2025, there were 80,000 Flock cameras, and now there are over 100,000. And we're halfway, you know, we're halfway to, uh, we're only halfway through the year here. What other cities?

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  Oh, they're, they're everywhere.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  Virginia, Texas, and California are the three

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  where there's the most. And I'm in Virginia.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  But I think they're in every state.

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  But bringing awareness to it is what's causing it to kind of start. Like LA is getting rid of there. There's a hu- that's a huge amount of flock cameras.

• 1:31:51Shawn Ryan?

  LA is what?

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  Getting rid. Like, they just voted-

• 1:31:54Shawn Ryan?

  They're getting rid of them?

• 1:31:54Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure, um, when I read it today, they just voted to, like, they're gonna stop using them.

• 1:32:01Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit, go California. You won't hear me say that.

• 1:32:04Speaker 03

  I know, ever. I know, same. Same. So LA is, if they're fighting back, it's kind of like, hmm. I think the more people are aware of them, the more people they're aware of, like, what they really are doing, the audit logs, the more they're gonna fight back. Whereas before, it wasn't like that. No one knew. So now it's being uncovered, and that's, I think, the power of the things like you do and I do. It's bringing to light these things that people were like, I had no idea.

• 1:32:32Shawn Ryan?

  Is there anybody that you know that is like an expert on the flock camera subject?

• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  As in what sense?

• 1:32:40Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know, that's getting loud about it, that's uncovering things that nobody knows about it. Are you it? Are you that?

• 1:32:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I, I, I mean, as far as in the circle of, like, creators that I've seen, I'm the most obsessed with it, yeah. Because the... When I started to look at, I always start with the follow the money, because I feel like that leads you to the things. And when I looked at who invested in the flock cameras, it was two investors who are the biggest investors in Israeli surveillance companies, like Toka. Have you heard of Toka?

• 1:33:20Shawn Ryan?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  Toka is the company founded by Ehud Barak, and he has emails with Epstein about it, that can go into any camera real time and alter the footage, delete the footage, and leave no forensic trace.

• 1:33:35Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  Insane. And Carbine.

• 1:33:39Shawn Ryan?

  Any, any, any camera? What do you mean? They can get into any camera? Any camera that's attached to the rub?

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  Your Ring camera, your, your flock camera.

• 1:33:49Shawn Ryan?

  So anything that's attached to the internet?

• 1:33:51Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:33:51Shawn Ryan?

  If we detach one of these and...

• 1:33:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, anything attached to the internet.

• 1:33:54Shawn Ryan?

  What about an iPhone?

• 1:33:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, to, into the footage, yeah. So what it does, it goes, it goes into live camera feed, so if you're recording. And it can, like, a Ring camera, for instance, and it can alter that footage, delete the footage, real time, and leave no forensic trace. And in 2018, when they were, when it was being talked about, Ehud Barak had exchanged emails with Epstein, and he was asking Epstein to talk to the intel agencies about it. And they were getting it in the government, and just recently, like, within the past few years, they've opened up an office in, in DC, so...

• 1:34:31Shawn Ryan?

  I'll bet a bunch of Epstein's clients would have loved to be able to tap into their own footage.

• 1:34:35Speaker 03

  I'm like, huh, is that what, is that what we're doing? So yeah, that's, I mean, pretty scary capability. I can't think of any non-nefarious reason you would use it, except to cover things up.

• 1:34:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:47Speaker 03

  And those are the investors in flock cameras.

• 1:34:52Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. I mean, that's another question I have, you know, with the flock camera stuff. I mean, we're already just being tracked everywhere, you know what I mean? With the, the phone is like the main thing, but then, you know, you brought up the Ring cameras and, I mean, pretty much everybody has a Ring camera or an, or a Simply Safe camera or an equivalent. You know, there's a Google camera. There's a ton of them, right? Every house has them. They're all connected to the internet. People, I mean, they've been used to solve crimes. So, I mean, we're, we're pretty much, we're just, we're, we're on camera all the time anyways.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, but Ring actually, and shout out to them for this, they were gonna partner with Flock. Flock wanted to partner with them so they could track even through Ring cameras. And Ring, once they learned more, cut their relationship.

• 1:35:46Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  So they don't allow them to do that. And so I'm like, oh, at least good surveillance or bad surveillance? But yeah, no, you're right. We're, the thing is, we're being tracked all the time.

• 1:35:58Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Um, where are they gonna go with it? That's the question.

• 1:36:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't, I don't know. Where do you think they're gonna go with it?

• 1:36:09Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I think about this a lot, because I'm not, I don't like conspiracy theories, but I've also realized conspiracy theories are actually, like, a lot of them are actually true, um, which is crazy. But I, I do think that there is potential, based on everything I'm seeing with the push for AI data centers, the push for messaging, that, that we will, our First Amendment will be monitored and punished or not through some sort of centralized banking. Like, it's all gonna be tied together. They're pushing for centralized digital banking, so if you speak out against something, you're punished.

• 1:36:53Speaker 03

  I could see that happening. Obviously, that's extreme for, like, what I think they would do with it, but I don't, I don't know why else they would.

• 1:37:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:10Speaker 03

  I do think it will be used to monitor and, you know.

• 1:37:15Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think about the militaries merging?

• 1:37:19Speaker 03

  Oh, I, it's, it's, I can't believe it. I can't actually believe it.

• 1:37:25Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I guess it's not militaries merge, it's not-

• 1:37:27Speaker 03

  Right, that's the term people use, but-

• 1:37:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it's, it's, what is, it's basically a tech merge. Is that what it is?

• 1:37:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it, there's like six components to it, um, and it's system sharing. Like, you're gonna get into, allow access into our sippers or J-Wix, like, what? I, I, um, I understand, and I did a thing on it months ago, I understand wanting to do it to, Israel is so advanced in their technology, in their weapons, uh, they are. And so being able to leverage that, great. This isn't that, and that's the problem. It's like, this is actually linking systems that can't be undone.

• 1:38:17Speaker 03

  And the reason I think that it's not for something good, like, just to do something as innocent as share capabilities-

• 1:38:25Shawn Ryan?

  It's definitely nothing good.

• 1:38:27Speaker 03

  Is because they're standing up their own office.

• 1:38:28Shawn Ryan?

  We already share all our capabilities. In fact, we just disregard our own intelligence agencies as it is and just listen to theirs, whatever they say. I don't even know why the fuck-

• 1:38:36Speaker 03

  They're gonna be listening to ours.

• 1:38:37Shawn Ryan?

  I don't even know why we even have intelligence agencies anymore. Let's just listen to what Israel has to say.

• 1:38:43Speaker 03

  Apparently, and let them spy on our... I mean, even the DIA came out and said, this is the crazy thing. The DIA came out and said, Israel is spying on our government officials. They are a, like, espionage threat. We're like, let's merge, let's... And, and people say merging militaries, and everyone gets caught up on that term. I think it's just the term people use, but it's, it's merging our tech. It's, they even had something in there, the last one, it's bio health. It's, it's merging our health stand. Like, why would you need to do that with Israel? It's merging our capabilities. They are going to be so integrated with our military, it's, you're gonna have access to everything. And the scariest part is that you're standing up your own office to do it.

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  Like, they're standing up their own, so Netanyahu comes out and says, "I don't want aid anymore. We don't want you to send us aid. We don't want America to send us aid." This was a few months ago. But what they're gonna do is say that so they look like the good guys, but this office that they're gonna stand up is gonna have a director, its own org, its own budget. And that's, now we're not gonna be able to see how much money we're giving to Israel, because all they have to do is give a certain amount that's public. Everything else is run through the special access programs channels, the, the classified channels that nobody sees. And all, all the money goes, and nobody can yell about it. And I think that's why they're doing it. And that's, it can't be undone. It can't be undone once it's done.

• 1:40:12Speaker 03

  And I don't think they realize this.

• 1:40:14Shawn Ryan?

  How close are we to the merge?

• 1:40:16Speaker 03

  So the House voted, they passed it, but what happens now is the Senate-

• 1:40:23Shawn Ryan?

  I thought the Senate already voted this shit out.

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it, it's weird. The NDAA is, it's 1,700 pages long. It is a, it's the biggest defense, I mean, it's our defense budget for the year. It takes them a long time, so the Senate marks theirs up. That's what they did. In June, they marked theirs up. They have a version, and they go to pass it, and they didn't. The House passed their version. So now the House's version goes to the Senate, and the Senate says, "Are we gonna pass this House version? Are we gonna have our own? Are we gonna mark it up? What are we gonna do?" And then they pass whatever they have, whatever they come up with. It can be different. Then they get into a committee, the House and the Senate, a closed door, so we lose all transparency. The closed-door committee then says, "Okay, we're gonna create a final NDAA out of this."

• 1:41:07Speaker 03

  The 219 could be stripped. It could be enhanced. It, it could change.

• 1:41:14Shawn Ryan?

  I think I read there was only three Republicans that, um, that voted against it, Eli Crane, Tim Burchett, and Massey, I believe. Am I right on that?

• 1:41:25Speaker 03

  Seven.

• 1:41:26Shawn Ryan?

  Seven, seven?

• 1:41:28Speaker 03

  Um, Luna, the, the woman in Florida, and then there were a few, two or three others. There were seven of them, and then there were, there were seven Republicans that crossed party lines, and there were six Democrats that voted yes. And it only won, it only passed by-

• 1:41:51Shawn Ryan?

  Only six Democrats voted yes? What the fuck is happening?

• 1:41:56Speaker 03

  And, and Henry, yeah, the Democrats voted no. And Henry Kula, who was one of the Democrats that voted no, he was going to prison for decades, uh, bef, like, in 2024, before Trump pardoned him. He was going to prison for decades for being a foreign agent and taking fraud bribes from them.

• 1:42:15Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:16Speaker 03

  And Trump pardoned him, and now he votes, uh, he voted to spy on us without a warrant, and he votes for the merger. He votes for the Republicans, and I found that very interesting. So...

• 1:42:29Shawn Ryan?

  Politics, man.

• 1:42:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it only, it only fail, it only passed by four votes, so...

• 1:42:34Shawn Ryan?

  That's where you go to sell your soul to the devil.

• 1:42:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's why people ask me if I would ever do it. I would never, I would never do it.

• 1:42:42Shawn Ryan?

  What, run?

• 1:42:44Speaker 03

  F, be in politics, yeah. Like, run. I think governors have, have a shot at change. I think everyone else just... Like, if you were a governor, you could make a change. Like, you could make a difference. I don't think federally you can.

• 1:43:01Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  But-

• 1:43:03Shawn Ryan?

  I don't either.

• 1:43:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think the merging of the militaries is one of the scariest things that happened, is, that could happen to us.

• 1:43:11Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Lee, I appreciate you coming.

• 1:43:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, this was great. Thank you.

• 1:43:15Shawn Ryan?

  Great conversation. What's next for you?

• 1:43:19Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:43:21Shawn Ryan?

  Let us know when you figure it out.

• 1:43:23Speaker 03

  Just keep doing what I do.

• 1:43:25Shawn Ryan?

  All right. Thank you.

• 1:43:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:43:39Shawn Ryan?

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