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00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:15 The New BMW X5
00:07:08 Porsche's New E-Shift
00:14:49 Polestar Is Banned From US Sales
00:22:49 The New Hyundai Elantra
00:29:14 Base Corvettes Hit 200mph
00:34:46 Ian Callum XJ220
00:36:24 Ferrari Luce Sells Out In China
00:45:05 Lamborghini Urus SE Performante
00:47:18 Talk Cars!
00:47:36 Larz Andersron Meet
00:52:51 Nick's Audi TTRS
00:54:39 Nick's California Registration
00:59:42 Market Report
01:00:04 Ferrari 330 P4 Replica
01:02:25 1991 Lamborghini Diablo
01:04:00 Community Questions
01:04:21 WIll Nick Buy A V10 Excursion?
01:06:24 Will Doug Have Another Car To Keep Long Term?
01:10:44 What Would Be Your Ideal Daily In Traffic?
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1:05 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Filippo. I'm Nick. And I'm Doug. And we got a big podcast for you, starting with the news. Nick, start us off. All right. The new BMW X5 has officially been released, and boy, is it a looker. Yeah, it's... Do you do like how it looks?
1:31 Speaker 03 I do like how it looks, yeah. And by the way, good news. The X headlights that look like the cartoon emoji character Dead face, you can remove, like, there's a button to turn off one of those sets. So there's slashes, not X's.
1:45 Doug DeMuro? I do not love how it looks, but primarily only because of the wheel arches. I think everything else looks pretty good. The wheel arches are sort of cartoonishly exaggerated in kind of an odd way. So I have to get low, because Sean got mad at me for getting low earlier. They're exaggerated in kind of an odd way. And other than that, I think it looks like... I mean, it's fine. It looks like a new car.
2:10 Speaker 03 It's a new class BMW. That's what they all look like, more or less.
2:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. When is this coming?
2:16 Speaker 03 Uh, 2027 is the model year. They're not, they revealed it at their factory in America.
2:21 Doug DeMuro? October. October. It'll, and, and, and that's gonna be great. And then it'll go on sale and then other ones are coming in early 27. This is fantastic. There's gonna be an electric. It's gonna have a 435 mile range. Nick, you pump for that?
2:37 Speaker 04 I can't get past the looks, although the rest of that sounds pretty competitive. The, the outgoing model is just so classically handsome and good looking.
2:44 Doug DeMuro? It's so boring. The, it's so dull. It looks so generic. Like, I hate to say it because it's a fantastic car, but like the X5 has not been a like interesting car for a lot of generations. And they decided to do Volkswagen Atlas wheel arches this time, and I'm interested.
3:05 Speaker 03 Um, to go just a tiny bit deeper, five powertrain options, uh, the, the 40 will be the regular B58, uh, with a mild hybrid. 50E will have, uh, plug, it would be plug-in hybrid 433 horsepower. An M60E will be a plug-in hybrid with more power. Electric, as Doug said, with, uh, 435 miles of range is really strong. And they've also said there will be a hydrogen model, although they don't have a timeline for that, and it will never happen.
3:29 Doug DeMuro? Have you seen the interior? Do we have an interior photo? It's quite something.
3:33 Speaker 03 It's a lot of screen. It really does match the other new class BMWs. It looks like a wide, like, upper display and then a large driver's display with the same, like, cut corners that the three series and the, uh, X3 have. And then a passenger display too.
3:48 Doug DeMuro? There's also a four-spoke steering wheel. Does that bother you, Nick? The fourth spoke is vertical at the top.
3:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:55 Speaker 04 That is an odd choice. I, I would prefer a cleaner three simple. Honestly, though, all of these, they, they did a good job at spicing it up without making it too polarizing like some of their designs. I don't love it. I'm not the target audience. Uh, I think it's fine.
4:10 Speaker 03 You are literally the target audience. You have a couple of kids, you live in the San Diego suburbs.
4:14 Doug DeMuro? Nick wouldn't buy a new car if he, if he got slapped in the face by the new car fairy.
4:20 Speaker 04 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm actually considering the XC90, which funny enough, they did the most boring, non-redesign redesign ever. Like, it's hard to tell the difference between the two.
4:30 Doug DeMuro? This was like three years ago, Filippo. He's telling us.
4:32 Speaker 03 It was a year ago, a year and a half ago, and it looks worse than before. Yeah, it was a good, good update.
4:37 Doug DeMuro? Every facelift looks worse than what came before it, without exception.
4:42 Speaker 03 Don't agree, that's okay.
4:44 Speaker 04 LP640D, the LP580.
4:47 Doug DeMuro? What, don't you, you think the LP580 looked better?
4:50 Speaker 04 No, the other way around. The facelift looked better. Were you saying the opposite?
4:54 Doug DeMuro? The previous, the pre-facelift car always looks better than the facelift car, 100% of the time without exception.
5:00 Speaker 03 The E90 regular LCI looks better, I think.
5:03 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's the one exception. I was gonna say that. That's the one exception. The LCI E90s look better. The life cycle impulse, as we call it as BMW enthusiasts. The Gallardo situation was made much worse with the facelift. They facelifted the front and not the rear, which is a mistake that a lot of automakers make. And it looks heinous. The early Gallardos looked the best, but the later ones are the best.
5:25 Speaker 04 I was arguing Mercia Lago. The LP640 Mercia Lago looks better than the pre-facelift owner.
5:30 Doug DeMuro? Absolutely, it does not. It only does to people who have the early car. If you actually look at them, the cleaner look of the early car looks... Because the early car, people want the later car, and they convince themselves, "Oh, if only I had that asymmetrical vent design." The truth is, the early car looks better. It's cleaner.
5:50 Speaker 03 Speaking of rears, I do think the rear of the new X5 is the worst-looking part. I think it's a little bit over-styled. And also, there's not the split tailgate. Every X5 up till this one has had a split tailgate. They've said that to reduce complexity and weight, they're removing that. Unfortunately for them, the new X5, the base trim is 300 pounds heavier than the prior one.
6:11 Doug DeMuro? Well, every BMW is getting heavy. Split tailgates are hard to engineer, and there's a real question as to whether people actually care about them.
6:19 Speaker 03 I will also say, one quick note, the new one, you can order with Slate in the interior. Maybe that's part of their 300 pounds weight gain.
6:25 Doug DeMuro? It's hard for me to explain how many times I changed a baby's diaper on the split tailgate of my Land Cruiser. And I don't have that feature anymore in my Sequoia. But I do have a pop-out rear glass. Does the X5?
6:39 Speaker 03 You know, I have not seen anything about that. I don't believe it does anymore, based on the spoiler design.
6:43 Doug DeMuro? No way. No chance it does.
6:46 Speaker 03 And the new 3 Series wagon, which historically has always had it, does not either.
6:51 Doug DeMuro? Wow, the world is changing beneath our feet. Nick, are you, are you, are you pretty excited about a brand new X5 in your life here? Are you gonna be seeing him around your town all the time?
7:02 Speaker 04 We probably will see that. I mean, it gives me IX vibes. I kind of wonder if I won't notice, but it is bigger, I guess.
7:10 Speaker 03 It is a little bigger than the prior X5 by 2.2 inches. The IX is about the same size as the new X5.
7:16 Doug DeMuro? What's your favorite X5?
7:19 Speaker 03 The E53 X5, the first X5. I owned a manual one, and it's just, I think, the most beautiful SUV.
7:25 Doug DeMuro? I think that the most attractive X5, and my favorite X5 overall, this is gonna blow you away, was the E70 X5M.
7:33 Speaker 03 Wrong, wrong.
7:34 Doug DeMuro? In the blue.
7:35 Speaker 03 Worst one.
7:35 Doug DeMuro? In the blue.
7:36 Speaker 04 Worst X5. I was gonna say the same thing, actually. I'd hate to agree with you.
7:41 Doug DeMuro? You agree with me or him?
7:43 Speaker 04 With you, Doug. That X5M, I saw one yesterday, and I was like, oh, that is a good-looking car. Why haven't I owned one?
7:49 Speaker 03 Overstyled, too sporty-looking, and I think the E70 is the worst-looking X5.
7:53 Doug DeMuro? No, this new one is.
7:56 Speaker 04 No, this one. The one on the screen.
7:58 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, can't wait to drive this thing when it shows up. It's gonna be an absolute blast for us all, I have no doubt. Especially slate in the interior. Give us our next news story, Nick. What else you got?
8:09 Speaker 03 E-shift. So, we've talked a lot about Dionic 5N and 6N and whatever that have this like fake shifting feel.
8:16 Doug DeMuro? Yes, they're electric cars that can shift gears, which is unusual.
8:21 Speaker 03 Porsche has now, in the new Taycan, excuse me, also has this functionality. It's supposed to mimic a PDK, and there's a bunch of different.
8:29 Doug DeMuro? What do you mean by Taycan? They're not, they're not changing the Taycan, right?
8:32 Speaker 03 It's a facelifted Taycan.
8:33 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
8:34 Speaker 03 It's for 27, and there's no more crosserismo or sportserismo Taycan, sadly.
8:42 Speaker 03 But there's a bunch of cool things, right? It's supposed to mimic different drive modes and there'll be a different like baseline RPM at idle and it'll feel a little bit different. First reviews are out, seems like it sort of works. What's kind of interesting in my mind is they didn't try to mimic an engine sound, right? So like you may have thought, okay, they're gonna make this sound like a flat six or they're gonna make this sound like the Carrera GT V10 because they could, right? They're faking the gear shift, they're faking the sound and feel. They could make it sound whatever. No, the sound that comes out associated with each gear is just like an electrical sound based on early reviews.
9:18 Doug DeMuro? You know what sound I would like to hear? Yeah, I would like to hear 997.1 engine with a failing intermediate shaft bearing. That would be fantastic. And every time you shift, there's like, it's like, there's like some metal rubbing. That would be fun. Don't you think, Filippo?
9:38 Speaker 04 Hmm, I love that, that thought, yeah. I mean, there's no reason they couldn't.
9:42 Speaker 03 Or we can go to like the sound of bore scoring.
9:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. This is great, fantastic feature. We reported on this recently. There's a, now we have a picture of a button.
9:55 Doug DeMuro? And so it's intended to simulate PDK, but it doesn't, it just makes electric car noises. That's, that's fine.
10:01 Speaker 03 It's supposed to be a noticeable gear shift feel and gear specific drag torque, which is like engine braking and a virtual rev limiter at like 7,000 something RPM. So not even that high of RPM. And it's available, there's like a bunch, there's eight different gears and some couple of different modes.
10:18 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you're gonna wanna play around with this?
10:19 Speaker 04 No, I mean, it's weird because the, the people who would really care about this, the enthusiasts, we're gonna keep buying actual manuals or not even EVs in general. So like, I, I don't, I don't know exactly who this appeals to. I, I think it'll be interesting. I want to play with it. I don't want to own one. And I think a lot of people, like, I, I think it's a cool idea. I think they should do it. I, I can't imagine this is a long, eventually everyone's gonna realize, okay, this is ultimately a gimmick that doesn't improve the performance of the car. It's sort of like going from the IBM ThinkPad to the ThinkPad by Lenovo. You're like, kind of, it's like a intermediary step to just warm everyone up to the idea of EVs because they realize they couldn't just throw a set.
11:01 Doug DeMuro? It's like going from the IBM ThinkPad to the ThinkPad by Lenovo. Nick, what is that shirt that you're wearing today?
11:09 Speaker 04 WTF is a kilometer. It is going to be the day this comes out, July 3rd. But we celebrate the 4th of July all week in my household. So I'm celebrating today on Wednesday as we're filming. I am leading a kids parade on Saturday, so I will not be at Cars and Coffee sadly, but I'm pumped.
11:27 Doug DeMuro? You're leading a kids parade. Are you gonna wear that shirt in the kids parade, Nick?
11:31 Speaker 04 I think so. I don't think kids know what WTF stands for.
11:34 Doug DeMuro? Right. And I'm sure the parents, especially up where you live, the parents will probably be like, "Yeah, man."
11:38 Speaker 04 Like, what the frank, you know?
11:39 Doug DeMuro? "Also, what's a Celsius?"
11:44 Speaker 04 I agree. I agree.
11:46 Doug DeMuro? By the way, you should tell the parents that the X5 is built in South Carolina. They'll like it more.
11:50 Speaker 04 It's so confusing now. Yeah, a lot of the, you know, I sort of posted some American truck sentiment the other week on this pod and people were like, "Oh, the Tundra is made in America." No, it's not.
12:02 Doug DeMuro? Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
12:06 Speaker 04 It's a Toyota.
12:07 Doug DeMuro? But those trucks are as American as they get. They are designed in America. The components are all built in America. The truck is built-
12:14 Speaker 03 It's only sold in America?
12:15 Doug DeMuro? They're only sold, yeah. The Sequoia and the Tundra are only sold in America.
12:19 Speaker 03 Technically in Japan, but who cares?
12:20 Doug DeMuro? It doesn't get any more American. They also are exploding all over the place, which is like very Chevy Tahoe of them. Like, the powertrains in those Tundras and Sequoias, like, at any moment, they might blow up.
12:32 Speaker 04 I'm gonna be zipping around in my Ford Focus on the 4th of July and enjoying being in America.
12:38 Doug DeMuro? To be fair, what do you think is the most American car, Nick? And I'm not asking for facts, because you won't have those. We do know that. I'm asking for, like, feeling.
12:46 Speaker 04 Based on vibe? It's gotta be the Corvette, right? And I think we do have a new story on the Corvette, but it's big power. There's not a lot of refinement. It is like the most prosperous, like, fast, loud, like, it just, it feels like America.
13:05 Doug DeMuro? GTD, because that's built in Canada. So I'm glad you chose the right sports car. You know what I think the most American car is?
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13:44 Speaker 04 No. The A-Class. A car we did not get.
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16:18 Doug DeMuro? Let's move forward.
16:20 Speaker 04 Let's move forward to Polestar. Speaking of America and cars we did not get.
16:24 Doug DeMuro? Polestar's been banned from America for stealing our secrets. If you drive a Polestar, you're stealing from us. Filippo, give us the truth.
16:31 Speaker 03 All right, they have been banned from America. That part incredibly is true.
16:35 Doug DeMuro? Well, no, wait, it's not actually true. The software was banned in, well, because it's, you could switch where the software comes from or how the software works or whatever.
16:44 Speaker 03 Not really. So a couple of years ago, under the Biden administration, the Commerce Department, there was a new law and rule that basically meant that you can't have software that was developed in China or that had like pieces of that software that was written in China.
17:01 Doug DeMuro? Is that just in vehicles or is that in all sorts of stuff?
17:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, for our purposes, vehicles and primarily only vehicles. There's a lot of other products that obviously have software developed in China that are for sale here. The thought was you don't want to allow for code that may be stealing information, maybe using GPS camera information for whatever purpose. There's not really evidence that that's happening, but there's a fear certainly that that is what is happening. Polestar, of course, is owned by Geely, which is a Chinese company. I'll note Volvo also owned by Geely. All the automakers could either kind of prove that they didn't have any Chinese software and code in their car stack or apply for a waiver, trying to explaining how they use the data, explaining the data privacy and security around it, explaining why the Commerce Department shouldn't be concerned. Volvo was granted a waiver.
17:49 Speaker 03 Polestar, which has the same. Ownership was not granted a waiver. And so, starting with the 2027 model year, they will not be able to sell any vehicles.
17:58 Doug DeMuro? Nick, are you aware of this? Polestar, noted brand that makes a confusing amount of vehicles that are good lease deals.
18:07 Speaker 03 The two, the three and the four.
18:08 Doug DeMuro? Is, well, the two's gone.
18:10 Speaker 03 The three and the four.
18:12 Doug DeMuro? And the three and the four, and no one knows which is which, and one of them doesn't have a rear window. They're gone, Nick. It's over. What are you gonna do?
18:20 Speaker 04 I'm aware. I, to be honest, it is, the most confusing thing to me is how Volvo got through and Polestar didn't. Because when you look at the cars, the Polestar looks like a Volvo with just a slightly different logo.
18:31 Doug DeMuro? And you know, it's interesting. That was the argument the Commerce Department tried to make. Hey, wait a minute. The Polestar looks like a Volvo.
18:40 Doug DeMuro? But in the end, they didn't grant the waiver.
18:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, so the Polestar and some Polestar employees, former employees, because most US employees have or will be laid off, have been a little upset by this, right? Because their brand that they've invested a lot of time in, and there is a lot of American role in that. And by the way, the Polestar 3, which is their small SUV, is built at Volvo's plant in the US. And so the car is literally built in the US. So there's been a little bit of confusion and frustration from Polestar employees around why were we not granted a waiver? When our corporate sibling Volvo was. Volvo's responses-
19:13 Doug DeMuro? Is that we will never be able to see what the Polestar 5 could have been.
19:17 Speaker 03 No, it came out. It is available in Europe. Some journalists have been to press drives for it.
19:23 Doug DeMuro? That's the point, though. We'll never be able to see what it could have been. It could have turned the fortunes around for this entire generic brand.
19:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, it could have. So Polestar, no more. I think the big story here is obviously the Commerce Department flexing some muscle and being able to just make it so that the entire automaker cannot sell cars here. And not necessarily through a super clear reason, right? Volvo's argument for why they were successful is, these are all on a case-by-case basis. We were able to demonstrate to the Commerce Department that data is not at risk, and so they issued us a waiver. I don't know if they took different approaches than Polestar. I don't know if the Commerce Department is being less inconsistent. We'll probably never really know for sure.
20:00 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna, I'm gonna make two predictions here. Number one, Polestar will be granted a waiver, eventually. Number two-
20:07 Speaker 03 I don't think they're gonna try anymore.
20:09 Doug DeMuro? TikTok is stealing from us.
20:13 Speaker 03 No, Oracle owns all their data and pretty much all of it.
20:16 Doug DeMuro? We don't know that. Senator, I'm Singaporean.
20:21 Speaker 03 Excellent callback to TikTok CEO explaining to some US senators that Singapore is not part of China. By the way, Polestar is the press releases around this, we're really focused on. We're frustrated by this, but our core market is actually Europe, Europe with 80% of their global sales last year. And so they're going to kind of keep their focus there. They have said, and they've made clear, or as clear as you, to the extent that you believe them, that they will keep servicing vehicles in the US, they'll keep their service departments open, and they will still sell their remaining US inventory, which based on the number of Polestars that I see, I imagine is sizable.
20:55 Doug DeMuro? The Polestar 5 looks like a Panamera, a Audi A7 situation. Nick, we're not gonna get this beautiful car.
21:02 Speaker 04 What a shame. You know, I, Filippo, you've done the reading, so you can fact check me here, but my initial reaction to this was Elon Musk was heavy into the government early on. They've kind of like, they're a car company that's sort of disinterested in making cars anymore. And they built their company mostly based on exploiting regulatory loopholes and government subsidies. Did Elon Musk cash in some favors and say, ban my competition so that I can sell more model wise?
21:30 Speaker 03 I love the just full on conspiracy theorizing at Elon's expense here.
21:36 Speaker 04 It's total tinfoil hat based on no facts.
21:38 Speaker 03 I love this thing about it. Doug, our best bet is to just not respond.
21:43 Doug DeMuro? First off, you agree, you agree Filippo, the weirdest part was when he called them Elon Musk several times. Okay.
21:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:49 Doug DeMuro? Second weirdest part is the idea that Polestar at any point ever was a real competitor for Tesla. Nick, that would be like you trying to, when you're leading that parade, trying to ban a worm from also being on the street.
22:07 Speaker 04 Well, not really.
22:09 Speaker 03 Polestar delivered.
22:10 Speaker 04 You gotta start somewhere. It's like, it's like a lion, you pick off the weakest of the pack. So Polestar was the low hanging fruit. And then you could say, oh, well, maybe we should also ban Lucid because, you know, there's some shady stuff going in the Middle East.
22:25 Speaker 03 You know what I think they should try to ban is the very best electric car of all, the Mach-E Rally. Now, Nick Stafford, who's our, one of our producer folks here, there, he does all the editing, he saw one this week and he sent me a picture of it. And he said, I saw one of these. And I said, I've seen one of them. But just one.
22:45 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, you ever think about the Maki Rally?
22:47 Speaker 03 Always. I've seen one, literally one also.
22:53 Doug DeMuro? Car can go rallying like a Stratos.
22:56 Speaker 03 This is one of the stories we have, but I'll mention it. California just rolled out a new incentive for EV sales. $3500 for a new EV that's below $50,000. The $50,000 cap, fun fact, does not apply if the manufacturer is headquartered in the state of California. Tesla had been headquartered in the state of California, but no longer.
23:16 Doug DeMuro? It only applies to Lucid and then a sub 50K EVs?
23:21 Speaker 03 To like a bunch of like Honda or Hyundai Kia, I think would count as having headquarters there. But they don't sell very many 50K plus EVs.
23:29 Doug DeMuro? Headquarters, Nick, tell them where Hyundai Kia's headquarters actually is, buddy. Hit them up. Say it right now.
23:35 Speaker 04 Orange County?
23:37 Doug DeMuro? So he thinks Toyota is headquartered in Japan, but Hyundai Kia is headquartered in Orange County.
23:42 Speaker 04 Well, don't you have a rule you don't go north of the Hyundai building?
23:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but if you're gonna say Toyota is Japanese, you gotta say Hyundai Kia is Korean for Christ's sake.
23:51 Speaker 04 I mean, their vibe is, they're not American brands, but where they're physically have an office is different.
23:58 Speaker 03 By the way, the other Polestar model, the Polestar 4, built in South Korea.
24:04 Doug DeMuro? Uh, is that true?
24:07 Doug DeMuro? Really?
24:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:08 Doug DeMuro? The Polestar 4 has a cave in?
24:11 Speaker 03 I can't speak to the vent, but it is built in South Korea.
24:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Any cars built in North Korea, Felipe?
24:16 Speaker 03 Uh, not that are for sale outside of North Korea.
24:19 Doug DeMuro? Give us the next news story.
24:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh, what is this?
24:24 Speaker 03 Vehicle is the new Hyundai Elantra.
24:28 Doug DeMuro? What?
24:28 Speaker 03 Fun fact for you.
24:29 Doug DeMuro? What? That's the new Elantra?
24:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, it looks wild. It's incredibly futuristic looking. It has these huge rear fenders.
24:38 Speaker 03 Really cool light treatment. So in South Korea, speaking of Hyundai in South Korea, it's called the Levante. It's what the Elantra is called, and the Levante next generation has been revealed. Picture of which is there. The rest of the car looks equally kind of wild, and it will be coming here as the next Elantra. We expect to see it in 2027.
24:57 Doug DeMuro? Wow, it doesn't look bad.
24:58 Speaker 03 Same powertrains, etc. as before, technically a different hybrid engine, but who really cares? But it looks really quite cool and like a huge screen, as you'd expect. Some new interior and that really kind of wild.
25:09 Doug DeMuro? Nick, are you looking at this thing? Have you seen this thing?
25:11 Speaker 03 I am. I I I'm with you. It kind of gives me Urus vibes in a couple of places, but it it is bold, futuristic, kind of cool. Yeah.
25:21 Doug DeMuro? You know what the problem is gonna be? This is one thing I don't like about the Hyundai sedans is that they show up with these pictures. And then when you see them on the road, they have 13 inch hubcaps. And instead of instead of LED lights, they have like halogens in every orifice. And it it looks like they're they're on a fast track to the airport rental lots and then to to to the seedier parts of town. You know, like the Kia K4.
25:46 Speaker 03 Oh.
25:47 Doug DeMuro? Am I wrong?
25:48 Speaker 03 Yes.
25:49 Doug DeMuro? You really think?
25:50 Speaker 03 The seedier parts of town.
25:51 Doug DeMuro? You like the K4?
25:52 Speaker 03 Rental car fleets, they're driving around everywhere. I do like the the K4 looks fine. The Lancia looks fine.
25:58 Doug DeMuro? The K4 looks good in nice trims. The the weaker K4s are weak.
26:03 Speaker 03 I I love base trim vehicles and so I I'm here for it.
26:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, like the Enzo.
26:10 Speaker 03 Like the base Enzo, yes.
26:12 Doug DeMuro? No radio. I mean, you must like that.
26:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, right. I do. Uh, it it's a cool design. It's obviously Hyundai has been known and Kia have been known for pushing the boundaries of design and pushing their design language forward in a meaningful way, generation after generation after generation. This is just the the next iteration of that. And by the way, there is a small window in the C pillar. Between the B and C pillar, the C and D pillar, excuse me.
26:34 Doug DeMuro? Is it a hatchback then?
26:36 Speaker 03 Uh, I believe it's a sedan, but it looks looks a little hatchbacky to me.
26:40 Doug DeMuro? Hey, Filippo, if you could daily an Enzo, an MC12, or one of those little Mario Karts that they ride around, like tour groups ride around in Japan, and you have to dress up as Bowser every time, what would you daily?
26:56 Speaker 03 I I prefer the MC12, but I'd be worried about the extra length relative to an Enzo.
27:03 Doug DeMuro? You prefer the MC12 because it's it's open roof?
27:06 Speaker 03 Is it? Isn't it longer?
27:08 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, it's considerably longer and wider, but I what's the reason for your preference?
27:13 Speaker 03 Oh, I think the MC12 looks the best out of them.
27:16 Doug DeMuro? Including the Mario Kart?
27:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, but certainly including the Mario Kart.
27:21 Doug DeMuro? So you're not gonna go with the Mario Kart?
27:22 Speaker 03 No, MC12.
27:24 Doug DeMuro? Huh. Nick?
27:27 Speaker 04 MC12 as well, easy choice.
27:30 Doug DeMuro? All right, new Elantra, can't wait. There's gonna be an N version, by the way, and it's gonna have a manual transmission.
27:36 Speaker 03 Maybe.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? What's that?
27:39 Speaker 03 Maybe.
27:40 Doug DeMuro? No, oh, yeah, yeah, maybe. No, it will. And it's gonna be fast, and it's gonna be exciting, and Nick and I are really pumped for it. And it'll be a turbo four-cylinder, and this may not be so bad. Small cars, I think, in order to sell in this market, need to be more than just a car. They need to have a little bit more excitement to them, and I think Hyundai has realized that in Kia. And I'm excited to see this thing around. What a big week of news.
28:07 Speaker 04 Totally agree. I wish they saw more Ioniq 5s around. Those are still my favorite.
28:12 Speaker 03 It's worth noting, the Toyota Corolla still sells in hundreds of thousands every year and doesn't have anything, anywhere.
28:17 Doug DeMuro? No, it has a hybrid version, which it didn't use to, and it gets exceptional fuel economy. I mean, yeah, it's a little dull, and the current Civic is maybe a little dull, too.
28:26 Speaker 03 Such a good car, though.
28:27 Doug DeMuro? But also offered with a hybrid.
28:30 Speaker 04 And they can get away with that in a way that no other brand can, because Toyota, Honda are the safe choice, so you gotta kind of take risks if you're not the market leader.
28:38 Doug DeMuro? Right, it's like the full-size luxury sedans have now been whittled down to Mercedes-Benz and BMW, and everyone else is gone.
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30:45 Speaker 04 Except for Porsche. Okay, give us our next new... Ooh, what is this?
30:48 Doug DeMuro? What's happening here?
30:48 Speaker 03 That's the Corvette. It's been facelifted a little bit. We've talked about this before. There is a new engine in the Corvette. And so now the base Corvette has increased in price to 77-ish K or so, but the base Corvette now hits 200 miles an hour.
31:04 Speaker 04 Nick, you hear that?
31:05 Speaker 03 Previously did not.
31:06 Speaker 04 Felipe, I'm being told it's actually still 73 on the base?
31:10 Speaker 03 Sorry, 73.5 is your correct.
31:13 Speaker 04 73.5? Yeah, that's wild, but 200 miles an hour for 73K.
31:18 Speaker 03 I was looking at this. What do you think the second cheapest car to hit 200 miles per hour is that's for sale right now?
31:24 Doug DeMuro? That's a good question.
31:28 Speaker 04 I mean, I know the answer, but like, curious.
31:34 Doug DeMuro? Oh, Lincoln Navigator.
31:38 Speaker 03 No, good guess, though.
31:41 Speaker 04 Filippo in a Mario Kart dressed as Bowser.
31:45 Speaker 03 What is it? Nick?
31:48 Doug DeMuro? I mean, 911?
31:50 Speaker 04 An Italian car of sorts.
31:51 Speaker 03 A 911 Turbo does hit 200 mile an hour. I think it's the only 911 variant to hit that. The Pentair Turbo S also hits it, but a Cadillac CT5V Blackwing hits 200 miles an hour. And a around 140K sticker is the second cheapest. So where we cut the price of entry 50%.
32:09 Doug DeMuro? How often do you think about buying a CT5V Blackwing?
32:12 Speaker 03 Often.
32:13 Doug DeMuro? Nick, how about you?
32:15 Speaker 04 Same, although I know Kenan really wants one too, so I gotta let you all have that one.
32:21 Doug DeMuro? You think Kenan's stick to claim to that?
32:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
32:23 Speaker 04 Kind of like the Viper. I want a Viper too, but Kenan stick to claim. I'm gonna just let him have that.
32:29 Doug DeMuro? Kenan's been on a Viper for two years. I think if you want it, you can probably pop on in. I think you could pop on in while he's still considering it and still pop out and have him still be considering it. I think you'd be fine.
32:39 Speaker 03 Yeah. By the way, for $200,000 less than a 992 Turbo S, which also hits 200 mile per hour speed, you can have 200 miles per hour in a Corvette. It's quite incredible. So yes, a little bit of a price increase compared to last year when the MSRP was in the 60s, but 200 miles per hour is now a thing in base Corvettes. Fun fact, the Z51 doesn't hit 200. It has too much aero and so it's a little bit slower. But the base Corvette, 200 miles per hour.
33:09 Doug DeMuro? You need the slippery one. The Corvette has always been the value play in this segment.
33:14 Speaker 03 It's like, what was the first car that you remember hitting 200 miles? Like, in your mind, it's like, wow, here's a car hitting 200 miles.
33:21 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid, it was all supercars, but didn't the Nissan GT-R do 200 also?
33:25 Speaker 03 At the moment, the current list is the CT5V Blackwing, excuse me, the 911 Turbo S. And then everything else is in the supercar family, except for the Lucid Air Sapphire.
33:36 Speaker 04 My SLR, that was kind of the... The SLR's claim to fame was that it would easily do 200 miles an hour, but that again was for like holy trinity level super and hyper cars, not like a 73 grand base model.
33:48 Doug DeMuro? Nissan GTR would hit two, certain versions of the Nissan GTR would hit 200 and I have a feeling it wasn't dramatically more expensive than the Corvette. I mean, you're talking about like Nismo versions, maybe they were a little like low 100s or maybe 120 or something, but the GTR was doing it too. But it also always had the reputation of being like the value performance car.
34:07 Speaker 03 Yep. At this moment, it's by far the cheapest, quite impressive fee and also insane how much speed has been democratized.
34:14 Doug DeMuro? Are you, now is there anywhere you can go 200 miles an hour?
34:17 Speaker 03 This Bonneville salt flats.
34:19 Doug DeMuro? Yes. You could not do it on a public road, Nick. Do you understand that?
34:24 Speaker 04 I know. I've never gone 200. I really want to, but finding a place where you could do that safely, not even legally, right? Like we can, we can put that one aside and just assume there are ways around it. But safely is, you know, you would need like an airstrip or something like, I think that Texas does like those half mile or mile long drag strips. That would be interesting.
34:45 Doug DeMuro? I don't know how long it takes to get to 200, by the way. I don't think that's been.
34:49 Speaker 04 You know, I remember Stradman tried it a bunch with his Veyron and like even doing it in ideal conditions was not easy. Like there's too much headwind and blah, blah, blah. And like, it takes a lot of space. It's not easy.
34:59 Doug DeMuro? You know, my, I own a car that was the fastest car in the world.
35:04 Speaker 03 Briefly.
35:07 Doug DeMuro? Did you know that, Nick?
35:08 Speaker 03 Briefly. It's actually right behind Nick.
35:10 Speaker 04 Yeah. We're very happy for you.
35:12 Speaker 03 Right now. But yes, new Corvette pricing is out 73.5 for the base model gets you 200 miles per hour. A little crazy.
35:21 Doug DeMuro? Imagine doing top speed in that Countach.
35:25 Speaker 04 You need a lot of space for that.
35:27 Speaker 03 What was top speed?
35:28 Doug DeMuro? Like 183 or something like that. It was, it was fast. It was fast. But you know, you couldn't do it. You couldn't go that fast because you were scared.
35:39 Speaker 03 Right.
35:41 Doug DeMuro? It was the fastest car in the world until the 288 GTO came and unseated it. And after that, there becomes a lot of dispute as to what the fastest car in the world was. Because people think it was like these roofs. But to me, that's like a modded 911.
35:57 Speaker 03 Right.
35:58 Speaker 04 I have to imagine with the Countach at top speed, you'd be worried about the self-tapping screws holding the wing in from giving out.
36:05 Doug DeMuro? I don't think you could do that speed with the wing. I think you had to do it winglessly.
36:09 Speaker 04 I guess all you would need is a Phillips.
36:11 Doug DeMuro? You just get Harry Metgaff to come and remove your wing and you're good.
36:16 Speaker 03 That's all you gotta do. All right, what's next, Nick?
36:21 Speaker 04 Last but not least, so Ian Callum, a famous British designer, one of my favorite designers really of all time, did all the greats. He reimagined the XJ220. Now, this is just a design study. It's not a real car, etc. But I called this out because I just think it's an interesting what if. Right? This is, it's, honestly, I don't think the side profile is the best view, but like, it's a pretty gorgeous car and you gotta wonder Jaguar, when they decided to reboot the brand, they could have gone any number of directions. This would have been an interesting one to me, which is kind of what Aston's doing of the ultra-high-end, limited-production halo cars like the Valkyrie and all of those cars. If Jaguar had done that, this is maybe what that would have looked like, and I think it's pretty cool.
37:06 Doug DeMuro? You know what Ian Callum designed? Escort Cosworth.
37:13 Speaker 04 Not his most well-known design, but sure.
37:16 Doug DeMuro? That's a great car. That thing does look cool, Nick. Is Ian Callum out of work now? Is that the situation?
37:22 Speaker 04 He has his own design studio and you have to wonder also, which may be teasing a future update, but you know, instead of hiring Apple designers for your cars, maybe Ian Callum's design studio would be a good place to give a call. Maybe that's why he did this, is just to get his name out there saying, "Hey, I'm designing cars. No one asked me to do this one, but doesn't it look nice? And hey, if you are in the market for a new designer, holler."
37:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that Luchae, boy, it really hasn't grown on me. In fact, it's grown worse. Um, I saw that.
37:54 Speaker 04 Speaking of the next news.
37:56 Doug DeMuro? That Instagram email exchange between Ferrari and that guy where they were trying to sell the car. And now it was actually, I didn't, his response was how we all feel and it wasn't that interesting. But I think that the interesting part was the, it was enlightening to see how they were trying to sell. Oh, a select group of people. I also, it's funny, Ferrari has, has announced that it's sold out in China. But when you look, when you, did you do this, Flipper? Did you look closely at this news story? Do you know what it means?
38:19 Speaker 03 Nick did.
38:20 Doug DeMuro? I don't, I don't want to.
38:21 Speaker 03 Sold out.
38:21 Doug DeMuro? Sold out in China. It was 88 units. For a billion.
38:26 Speaker 03 I do think China is.
38:26 Speaker 04 Not only that, but when someone fact checked it, the dealers all replied, we're still accepting orders. We have not sold out. So they've sold, they've, they've sort of had 88 people, much like any new EV comes out and people preorder them. Like that doesn't really, I mean, there was a deposit. It is allegedly non-refundable. I'm sure 88 people could say, fine. I mean, China's a huge country, but like.
38:48 Speaker 03 They will sell 88. They'll sell more than 88.
38:51 Doug DeMuro? They sell 88 in a country of a billion people. So in the United States, that would be the equivalent of them selling like 19 cars or 22 cars.
38:59 Speaker 03 There's still some, obviously, it's still Ferrari model. It's a.
39:03 Doug DeMuro? Well, and, and they will sell people to people who want to play the allocation game.
39:07 Speaker 03 They've claimed they are not doing. Ferrari has been very adamant that they are not, we obviously all know that they are doing that.
39:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:16 Speaker 03 But they've been adamant that they are not requiring the purchase to then buy any other cars. Which, by the way, I think Ferrari PR would say about every Ferrari. That's all like a dealership game.
39:25 Doug DeMuro? The hard part of that is like, at this point, you actually have to really run the numbers. Like if you're doing this just to get an SP4, like you're going to lose half a million bucks on this car. And so like.
39:37 Speaker 03 You already lost half a million on an SF90. That's another.
39:40 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's true, but are you going to make a half a million on an SP4? Maybe the SP3's made a ton, but like you gotta be, it's, it's a dice roll. And with Luchae, it's not like that's the only one you're getting. Yeah. You also had to buy an SF90, which you also lost a half a million. So you're dropping like millions of dollars to try to make millions of dollars? Or you could just toss it all in Bitcoin. Am I right, Nick?
40:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, at least with the SF90, it's an enjoyable driving experience like this. I know it's driven it or very few people have driven it.
40:09 Speaker 03 It'll be good.
40:09 Speaker 04 Who knows, but it can't be that great. I mean, it should have to drive like most other EVs with some improvements. So whereas as the SF90, like we baden out that a lot on this pod, but like it's still a really fun car. Like the problem was more the price point and some of the other things and the F8 and 296 sort of being too close of competitors internally. But the Luce doesn't have any of the like, if I were going to lose half a million dollars, I'd rather lose it on a sports car.
40:36 Speaker 03 What if you want to five C Ferrari?
40:38 Doug DeMuro? Nick, here's a real question for you, legitimate question. Would you rather have a Revuelto or a Revuelto and a Luce?
40:52 Speaker 04 You almost got to wonder at this point that the Luce becomes rare. It's like a La Forza, like so few people buy it that it becomes this like weird quirky artifact where like everyone's like, remember when Ferrari made this massive public mistake? And like it just sort of becomes like this fun and like odd conversation starter.
41:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I think they will sell them though, because I think that they will, they will have people who want the allocation thing. If Ferrari called me and said, hey, you get a Luce, if you buy a Luce, you'll get an SP3, I would do it. And that's how they're going to sell them. It's the only way they can sell them. 100% is the only way they're going to be able to sell them.
41:30 Speaker 04 I've never understood, why not just charge more for an SP3? Like instead of making people waste their money, just spend, spend an extra 600K to buy the SP3.
41:38 Doug DeMuro? No, no, it benefits them in two ways. Number one, they sell the lesser cars. So that gets them to sell the lower ones.
41:43 Speaker 04 But don't even bother with the lesser cars. Save all the R and D money and just charge more for the halo car.
41:47 Doug DeMuro? But it also benefits them because it gets, they get to the brand mystique. There's this proof like, oh, if you buy a Ferrari, you're going to make a million bucks. And so not only do they sell the cheaper cars, but they also continue to tout the success of the brand by limiting the production of the halo cars and then they go up in value and people are still talking about how Ferraris are great investments. It's a great, it's honestly a great strategy. Until it isn't and this little this heinous thing this trash heap that they're gonna try to foist on people is when the is when the party stops.
42:18 Speaker 04 It's they just took it too far of like hey we're we're building kind of throwaway car or not throwaway cars but we're building cars.
42:24 Doug DeMuro? No, it's a throwaway car.
42:25 Speaker 04 This one is um so yeah I don't I don't know I I would I think it'd be cool if Ferrari developed their own cars and bids and just said for all the special ones we're gonna make you bid against each other let the market decide what it's worth and we're not gonna make you buy all these cars you don't want just like give us twenty million dollars for this car.
42:42 Doug DeMuro? If they did that a lot of the sales for the cheap stuff would dry up and no one would feel like they're in this like special world where Ferrari chose me and then they and then I gained value and this is amazing that I'm part of this thing.
42:54 Speaker 04 It would be a sealed private auction that you only invite certain people to and I think killing off the sort of entry level the Californias and the Portofinos I don't maybe it would be like what Aston's doing like you'd only have the really special cars.
43:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah but those cars still make money there's a lot of people who buy those cars and then don't buy the SP3 so it's nice to have those in the lineup but then it's also nice to foist the the SP3 buyers those cars on the SP3 buyers Filippo Revolto or Revolto and Luce.
43:20 Speaker 03 Oh I'll take just the Luce I'll be honest uh good without Revolto uh I don't want a Luce for six hundred fifty but I kinda want it otherwise.
43:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
43:29 Speaker 03 I will say just a couple of responses Ferrari you do not need to build your own auction site come to us we're we're we're here.
43:36 Speaker 04 You can white label it.
43:37 Speaker 03 We'll help uh we saw a lot of other Ferraris including Scuderia just a couple of weeks ago.
43:43 Speaker 03 Secondly I've heard from some rumors that Luchas are hitting press fleets and so Doug I'm sure that you're at the top of their list to get a drive and really see see what it's all about.
43:54 Doug DeMuro? Uh yeah no it is it will actually be interesting how they figure out how to drop this in in the press fleets because everybody's gonna badmouth it and you know the ones who don't badmouth it are just liars and I can name some of those people but I'm not going to I know exactly who's gonna say nice things I know exactly who's gonna say nice things. But that's fine. They can do that and they can participate in the whole charade and I'm okay with that.
44:19 Speaker 04 And the initial press junket, remember, not only did they tightly control what you said, they watched you, they only let you film on their cameras. Like, they were really, really careful about it. And my second conspiracy theory for today, the Ferrari CMO has stepped down. Now, the the public relations team makes it sound like it was his choice.
44:40 Speaker 04 Who knows? You know, often when executives step down to spend time with their family, it isn't always that direction that they say publicly. However, if I were them, and I were seeing the comments on my Instagram right now, if you go to Ferrari's Instagram page, open up any post about the Luce, and for whatever reason, they insist on posting about it almost daily, and it is just the biggest dumpster fire of mean comments you've ever seen.
45:04 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you do not understand the level of arrogance that this brand has. And honestly, it's
45:12 Speaker 04 It's hard to understand.
45:13 Doug DeMuro? Well-founded, because this has happened many times. People said this about the California. People said this about going hybrid. People said this about the SUV. And many other cars throughout my lifetime have been touted as sort of they're ruining Ferrari, they're doing this, that, automatic transmissions. Although that was his success, actually. But even initially. But the point is, this is, the brand has this incredible level of arrogance. That's like, you think we can't make X number of cars in a year? We're gonna do it and still succeed. You think we can't do shoes? We're gonna do it and still succeed, etc., etc. And they believe that they're on the right course. The CMO stepping down, I think, is an example of someone who's saying, we need to change tactic.
45:52 Speaker 03 Their spin on this, and you can either believe Ferrari in this, or you can say that they're spinning it, is that they, Enrico Galliera, who was formerly the the marketing chief, had said earlier this year that he was gonna step down. They asked him to stay through the launch of this vehicle, which is their most important vehicle launch in forever. And like, there was a pre-agreed to. I will say, they did have somebody lined up in Massimiliano di Silvestre, who was formerly BMW of Italy's, like, the head of BMW in Italy. They did have somebody lined up to take that job, which gives it some credence that indeed it was a plan.
46:28 Doug DeMuro? I'll give you some credence. The Luce is trash. Marketing it will be hell. This is the worst thing that's ever happened. Give us our new story.
46:35 Speaker 03 Possible that the former marketing person knew how bad it would be, for sure.
46:40 Doug DeMuro? We got an Udo's. Filippo, say Urus like you would say it.
46:44 Speaker 03 Urus.
46:45 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow, because it's not an Italian word.
46:47 Speaker 04 This isn't just an Urus. This is the new 2027 Urus SE Performante. You might ask, didn't they already make a Performante Urus? Yes, this is the SE Performante.
46:58 Doug DeMuro? So now they're combining it all.
46:59 Speaker 03 Well, the SE was the face, is the base one post-faceless.
47:03 Doug DeMuro? Yes, yes, we all know. So what's this, Nick? Is it more powerful?
47:06 Speaker 04 One could argue it's the best, most powerful Urus ever made. One could argue it's a 20 horsepower bump in a body kit.
47:14 Speaker 03 It's an 11 horsepower bump. It's not even 20. It's 11 horsepower increase. 11.
47:20 Speaker 04 If you want the latest, greatest Urus, and you have an early one and you want to upgrade, this is the top dog. It, it does look kind of cool. They, they made a couple small enhancements, but ultimately it's a trim level. It reminds me so much of the Gallardo, where they started doing the Gallardo SE, the narrow edition, blah, blah, blah.
47:36 Doug DeMuro? What a shame that we don't have an off-road, what a shame we don't have an off-road version of the Urus. Still.
47:42 Speaker 04 I agree. There, there's a lot of ways they could have spiced it up other than like, probably the most iterative, minor bump in trim level imaginable, but it's something, it's, it's better than going Luce or any number of other directions. So like on the scale of like brilliant to stupid, it is, it's, it's fairly benign. It's, it's, it's a natural progression. I, I would have loved more. I would have loved more over the top. Like go with just a little bit more extreme, but it's, it's out there. You can go buy it. And the, the Lambo product strategy is just playing it safe.
48:18 Doug DeMuro? Yep. And you know what? I bet they're pretty damn thrilled right now that they didn't go EV. And I'd have, I'd take an Urus SE Performante over whatever the hell the.
48:28 Speaker 04 The Lambo CMO is not planning on stepping down to spend more time with his family anytime soon because marketing this won't be that hard. If you like the Urus, here is 11% more.
48:37 Doug DeMuro? 11, well, it's just 11.
48:38 Speaker 04 It'd be 11 horsepower more.
48:40 Speaker 03 11 more, which is. It's like 1% more.
48:43 Doug DeMuro? Surely there's no more news stories, please, please.
48:46 Speaker 03 That'll do.
48:48 Doug DeMuro? Uh, we gotta move on to the Talk Cars segment. There's a lot to discuss the Talk Cars segment. There's a lot to discuss and I want to start with, Filippo wants to talk about the event. Cars and Bids had an event recently and boy, was it an event. Filippo, tell us everything.
49:05 Speaker 03 This past Saturday, we were at the Lars Anderson Museum in Brookline, right outside of Boston, Massachusetts. We had 400 something cars, a couple thousand people that came to like Cars and Coffee on Saturday morning. The Lars Anderson Museum, really beautiful. It's a great park and an incredible museum that started by a very historic family. You should Google their Wikipedia if you when you get a chance, especially Lars Anderson's. It's quite something, but a really, really cool museum. They have a Countach or two, a Carrera GT, a couple Ford GTs, a bunch of really great cars and a lot of antique cars in the basin that's open. And the event was incredible. It was like a lot of really, really cool cars. I got to talk to a lot of folks. So thank you if you came up to talk to
49:49 Speaker 03 me or to producer Sean at the event. It was really, really awesome to chat and get to meet so many of you. We're doing more and more events constantly because it's so fun to hang out with people and so please do come if there's one there.
50:00 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, tell us what your favorite 400 cars there at the Cars and Bids Cars and Coffee at the Lars Anderson. Tell us what your favorite three cars were.
50:08 Speaker 03 All right. I didn't get a chance to see as many cars as I wanted. For example, there was a Saab 95 wagon with a stick that was in the lower lot that I didn't get to go to. But there was a Spiker C8, love a Spiker C8. There was a BMW Z1, also love that. And there was a 430 Scuderia with a car seat in it. The dude, the kid wears headphones but brings his son along in this car, which is just really quite cool. We talked to him for a video that's going to be out on the Cars and Bids channel next week.
50:38 Doug DeMuro? Did anybody show up in a Vaxhall VX 220?
50:42 Speaker 03 Sadly, no. Also, if you were around the box hall.
50:46 Doug DeMuro? Not, not this side of the pond, baby girl?
50:49 Speaker 03 Regardless, no sadly. But there were a lot of, there truly were a lot of absolutely incredible cars there.
50:57 Doug DeMuro? Did anybody show up in an E31?
51:01 Speaker 03 In an E30 wagon?
51:03 Doug DeMuro? E31.
51:05 Speaker 03 In a BMW eight series, yes.
51:07 Doug DeMuro? Eight series. How did you Googled that?
51:10 Speaker 03 No, but I thought my joke was good. So I went with it.
51:13 Doug DeMuro? It is good. Let me tell you something. Me and Kenan come from a time when they didn't give different E numbers to different body styles.
51:20 Speaker 03 Do because they have been doing that since the E90.
51:24 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they do it since E90, but pre that it's E46. Every E46 is an E46.
51:28 Speaker 03 Ferrari was an eight series and there was a really nice eight series there, yes.
51:31 Doug DeMuro? Do you ever wonder what the E47 was that didn't make it?
51:35 Speaker 03 No, but I don't you wonder in that same vein, what the next 911 will be called?
51:39 Doug DeMuro? 994.
51:41 Speaker 03 What about 993?
51:42 Doug DeMuro? It already happened. It's 994. This isn't discussable. It's it's true. Um, this is, this would be like me saying there's an elephant behind me.
51:49 Speaker 03 And then a 995 and then a 998?
51:52 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
51:53 Speaker 03 You just skipped the prior ones?
51:54 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
51:55 Speaker 03 I'm not supportive of this.
51:57 Doug DeMuro? Well, I don't care if you're supportive or not. It's all stupid anyway. The whole thing is stupid. The whole brand is off the rails. Making these big electric.
52:05 Speaker 04 What do you do after 999?
52:07 Doug DeMuro? Well, Nick, that's like 25 years from now. It's gonna be the next CMO's problem and he's probably gonna be this fellow that they pushed out at Ferrari.
52:14 Speaker 04 Yeah. He'll recharge his batteries by then.
52:17 Doug DeMuro? By the time 999 happens, there won't be Porsche anymore. We're gonna, we're gonna be flying cars and futuristic cities with tubes that go everywhere.
52:27 Speaker 03 Those, those exists.
52:30 Speaker 03 They're called subways.
52:31 Doug DeMuro? Have you thought about a Vaxal DX220 for yourself, Felipe?
52:35 Speaker 03 Yeah. Thanks for asking.
52:38 Doug DeMuro? They're cool as hell. Nick, you know this car?
52:40 Speaker 04 Nope.
52:41 Doug DeMuro? Can he pull up stuff or not?
52:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:43 Speaker 04 I will, I will try.
52:47 Doug DeMuro? This car is so cool.
52:50 Speaker 04 Thanks for shooting a photo with him.
52:52 Doug DeMuro? I know. He's blocking like most of what makes the car look good. It's also heavily modified. This is a Nick special. Uh, so Felipe went to the Felipe went to the car show and it was a fantastic experience. Nick, how come you weren't there at the, at the event?
53:06 Speaker 04 I, I am not invited to the events. I don't know if that is.
53:10 Speaker 03 We can't edit Nick live. Right? Like, well, when Nick is in content or on the podcast, we can edit what he says.
53:16 Doug DeMuro? Right.
53:18 Doug DeMuro? Right.
53:18 Speaker 03 Live? That's questionable.
53:20 Doug DeMuro? That's a good point. So that's why Nick doesn't come. Now, after this event, I want to tell everybody, after this event, Filippo and several other members of our team, they're not our employees, they're team members. They went to some sort of team gathering in the woods. They all played like-
53:33 Speaker 03 That happened before, and it was delightful.
53:35 Doug DeMuro? Oh, it happened before? And they all like, you know, dug holes and such?
53:40 Speaker 03 Well, it's a little-known fact, but we actually do put a lot of work into running Cars and Bids and the YouTube channels that we have as a business. And so sometimes it's nice to have a little bit of business-focused time.
53:52 Doug DeMuro? Oh, what did you focus on? What are some Cars and Bids? What are, what have we got coming on Cars and Bids?
53:58 Speaker 03 People get to wait and see, which is-
54:00 Doug DeMuro? You're not gonna tell us future information, Nick? Aren't you dying to know?
54:05 Speaker 04 I'm gonna say you're gonna start selling watches.
54:08 Doug DeMuro? No.
54:08 Speaker 03 We're good. I'm thinking of throwing that out there, no. No. We're quite focused on being car enthusiasts, enthusiasts of cars. Can I talk about something different?
54:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but before we talk about something different, I want to talk about, Nick has a couple of big things to talk about.
54:27 Speaker 03 Wait, I do too.
54:29 Doug DeMuro? One of which is, last week he was here and he told us, or two weeks ago, he told us he was gonna buy an Audi TT RS that was listed on the site. Nick, I assume you weren't all talk and you actually followed through with that. Tell us how it went.
54:40 Speaker 04 Uh, we don't have a TT RS. No, my friend Ted was looking at buying one. The bidding was to Cars and Bids credit, uh, strong. Frankly, the number we kind of decided upfront that we were willing to pay up to. It exceeded. The new owner, I'm told the sale went through. I talked to the seller as well, he seems to be happy with it. So, that's off to another home. My friend Ted did buy a different TT RS. He bought a Heritage Edition. It's like dark red with this cool peanut butter interior. So, I'm still hoping to get together with Ted and check it out, drive it, and see what a DSG TT RS is like. But, um, we did not end up with one on the site.
55:19 Doug DeMuro? Don't you think that'll be probably better for you, given your-
55:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, you can money shift it.
55:22 Doug DeMuro? Um, Filippo, a couple of things. First off, a Heritage Edition TT RS, Filippo, has gold wheels and it's a two-row.
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55:58 Doug DeMuro? Thank you.
56:02 Speaker 03 Finish the joke for everybody else, please.
56:05 Doug DeMuro? Nick, question for you, though. It sold for 53,000 in the United States. What was your number? Was it 36?
56:12 Speaker 04 It was higher than that, but the hope was to get it for a good deal because for my friend who lives in Chicago, you'd have to ship it, and then he wanted a stock one. So the idea was you'd take off them. He wasn't willing to pay a premium for the mods. He was hoping I would remove the mods, and then, like, there was a lot of extra work involved, so it didn't make sense.
56:33 Speaker 03 What happened while I was gone? Was this podcast just this?
56:38 Doug DeMuro? This was one of the topics, and it was so clear even then that it wasn't going to happen, but I let Nick go on about it because I snuck in an enormous amount of money shifted at TTRS jokes. Nick, speaking of mods, I hear that you've made a big change. I hear that you're a full-fledged Californian.
56:57 Speaker 04 I have 9Z plates, so for those who follow California, it's like an alphabetical sequence. So it's a 2006 that looks like it was bought yesterday, and then the Range Rover has 9X or Y, I can't remember, but the license plate sequences in my driveway look like I've, I don't know, stumbled upon money very recently.
57:16 Speaker 03 You can't have a driveway with a 9X and a 9Z and a 9Y and...
57:19 Speaker 04 I know, I gotta figure that out pretty soon here.
57:22 Doug DeMuro? Nick, it is interesting because usually, in my experience, what you do is you buy a kind of a rough example of a car that does not pass smog. You work on it until it does, then you title it California. The fact that you've got all these cars titled in California suggests to me that you've had a bunch of cars for a while. Are you planning to make a move here? We're all ready for crazy Nick.
57:42 Speaker 04 And that is the real epiphany. So I was in Wyoming for a week. I drove my dad's F-250 around. I passed 100,000 miles in Yellowstone Park.
57:50 Speaker 03 F-250, man, you and I.
57:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, I enjoyed that, but then he has a 67 Mustang, and I...
57:57 Speaker 04 I drove that and I just, I loved it. And then I got home and my driveway has three SUVs across it. Inside the garage is a wagon, then a sports car. And then parked offsite is another hatchback. And so I have six cars, five of which are family cars that have four doors. And it's like, why? I want to involve my family in the car hobby. I want my kids to be involved. So I understand why I kept adding family friendly fun cars. But now I'm at a point where I have five out of my six cars are basically family cars. Like, what am I doing? So.
58:31 Doug DeMuro? You did this to yourself. Everyone told you not to buy a P38. That was insane.
58:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
58:35 Doug DeMuro? No one asked you to do that.
58:37 Speaker 04 I didn't buy it. It was free.
58:38 Speaker 03 It was gifted. To the fence.
58:40 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah, but you're in it now for more than.
58:41 Speaker 03 We all.
58:42 Speaker 04 Right.
58:43 Speaker 03 We all did ask him to buy that convertible Range Rover. We're all supportive of that.
58:46 Doug DeMuro? If it was me and I was Nick, I would have a convertible Range Rover and some sort of manual sports car. That's what I would have.
58:52 Speaker 04 I definitely want to reduce the number of cars because six is just a lot to like maintain and drive around. And then I want to add another sports car. So whether that is the 67 Mustang, which my dad effectively told me like, you can borrow it for a while. If you want to drive it and get it serviced up, or I find another old like vintage car. But I want, I want more experiences and like, I don't need when I'm taking my kids somewhere to be like, which of the five cars with car seats do you want to take? I can really narrow that down. So I think we're going to get rid of the Cayenne. We're going to get rid of the Focus. I'll probably get rid of the P38. We'll keep the Range Rover convertible. I'm going to keep the E55 for a while longer, but I'm on the fence a little bit about that only because again, I don't need so many family cars. But the other thing I realized with the P38 is I'm a poser.
59:36 Speaker 04 I have like, it's off-road. I was like, oh, I need an off-road vehicle. I've never gone off-roading in it. I've tried once or twice and I've never, like, it's like having a track car and never going to the track.
59:46 Speaker 03 We all agree that that is how I would describe you too. Yeah.
59:49 Speaker 04 Yeah. The E55, I power slid onto the on-ramp yesterday. Like, at the very least, like if I have the kids, like, I can enjoy that and kind of like, drive it to its limits versus like an off-road vehicle. It's not like I'm going to off-road just like randomly on the way to a client dinner.
1:00:05 Doug DeMuro? Can I make a suggest, a dead serious suggestion to you?
1:00:10 Doug DeMuro? That I want you to think about legitimately.
1:00:12 Speaker 04 Or SSE Performante?
1:00:14 Doug DeMuro? And talk about with Filippo and talk about with the others. You want to be at Quail, you want to have a really important, special car, you want a vintage. You got some cash there in these cars. If you sold all your cars short of that convertible Range Rover, you could buy a Ferrari Daytona.
1:00:32 Speaker 03 Oh, interesting.
1:00:35 Doug DeMuro? It's like a better looking SLR.
1:00:36 Speaker 04 I don't know if that's true, first of all.
1:00:38 Doug DeMuro? It is, and you don't have to worry about changing an airbag with the battery still attached and therefore. It's a better looking SLR, it gives you the vintage vibes of the Mustang. And it would get rid of all of your bizarre menagerie of cars that are weird, and you have a Ferrari Daytona.
1:00:58 Speaker 04 I had not considered that path. I'm not sure I will consider that, but it's interesting. Funny enough, in the market report, which we'll talk about next, that Diablo on the site was another like moment where I'm like, oh, that is the perfect car for me. $125,000 to service at George Evans. Has the 6.0 and GT bodywork. Like, there's so many cool cars out there that
1:01:22 Speaker 04 again, should I consolidate and not have six cool cars, but not like amazing cars? And have fewer cars, but more special ones and more sports car oriented experiences. So I'm going through a lot of thoughts. There may be the Nick Rishon collection coming to Cars in Bed soon, and I sell them all at the same time.
1:01:40 Doug DeMuro? Well, I find that all to be very interesting, though I strongly believe you should consider a Daytona. Let's move on to the market report because we got to do questions. The market report, of course, is brought to you by Filippo. Filippo, he's in a large room with a lot of drywall and nothing on the walls. Filippo, yeah, Filippo, I'll give you, I'll give you one because we got to move on to questions. To give you one, what do you want?
1:02:03 Speaker 03 Earlier this week, we sold a Ferrari 330 P4 recreation by Norbert Autograph.
1:02:08 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:02:09 Speaker 03 This is a replica. And like, I think for a long time, when I've thought replica, I have thought Countach built on a Pontiac Fiero.
1:02:19 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:02:19 Speaker 03 Or F50 built on a Pontiac Fiero.
1:02:21 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:02:23 Speaker 03 Diablo built on a Pontiac Ferrari.
1:02:25 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:02:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, you get the point. They're not all that. We sold this Ferrari 330 P4 for $600,000. It was like incredible last hour of bidding because it's incredibly desirable. Now, like Norwood Autocraft does real work on Ferraris there, the shop you'd want to buy a recreation from. They do really, really solid work. It has a 5.5 liter V12 from a Ferrari, from a 456 in this case. It's got a G50, five speed manual. It's cool and like it's real components. But $600,000 for a replica is not what you first think of, but maybe it should be.
1:03:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I would pay it though. It's interesting. Like this replica Ferrari market has become interesting because the real P4, there's like two P4s and they're $20 trillion and they haven't come up for sale for 25 years. So you can't get one, right? Even no matter how rich you are, you can't really get one. And, um, and this is happening. Like there's, there's, there's other companies who do this too. Norwood is famous for it, but there's other companies that do it too.
1:03:19 Speaker 03 Chees engineering.
1:03:20 Doug DeMuro? Incredibly high quality replicas, basically indistinguishable from actual Ferraris. In this case, powertrain from a 456 is fuel injected. You could distinguish it, but you still get all the good stuff that you'd want. And, and even some of the really rich people who have some of the $20 million Ferraris are pursuing and purchasing these, these high quality replicas because it lets them actually be able to use the Ferrari that is otherwise just an investment in their garage. Uh, and it's, it's interesting. I, I, um, I think it's a pretty cool way to spend 600 grand. I think this is a kind of a real car enthusiast way to spend 600 grand as opposed to kind of a poser way. Like 600 grand is a lot of money for something that doesn't have providence, but it was an incredible driving experience.
1:04:02 Doug DeMuro? And that's exactly what you're getting in this car. Like you'll never be able to tell people, oh, it's a Ferrari. You'll never be able to get those auction results, whatever. But like you, you will probably have a more exciting experience than basically anybody else who spends $600,000 on any car in existence. And I think that that's kind of a cool thing with these Ferrari replicas. I really do.
1:04:20 Speaker 03 100% agreed. It's so cool. I like real money.
1:04:25 Speaker 04 Well, like I had mentioned before, that Diablo that was for sale at the same time, similar vibe in that a 91 Diablo with the miles that it had is probably a 200s car, maybe 300. This one was not only serviced to the nines, but it also, it had been a bit of a recreation to look like a Diablo GT, which is a multimillion dollar car, or at least well into the millions. So 385 for this car is strong if you just thought of it as a 91, a very early Diablo with 16,500 miles. When you add into the fact that it had documented service of 125 grand and OE recreation, or not recreation, OE parts from the Diablo 6.0 and the headlights,
1:05:08 Speaker 04 the GT, it has the SV wheels, like it's a bit of a hodgepodge. But I think, again, as a driver, this is one where you're, okay, as a driver, I can say it's a 91 Diablo and drive it hard. But then I get the look in theater of a like late model seven-figure car. Very similar. And apparently the market didn't mind. They didn't value this as a 91 Diablo. They valued it somewhere in between.
1:05:32 Doug DeMuro? No, I mean, I think it's pretty clear that it's, especially with the recent servicing. And yeah, the look is amazing. I mean, it really does look like a GT. It's pretty cool. I think those are both pretty cool results for cars that may not make the purists happy and thus may not be like as great of an investment as buying a perfect numbers matching car. But the benefit is you get an amazing, amazing driving experience. It's like a cool thing to do as an actual enthusiast, for sure.
1:05:59 Speaker 04 100%.
1:06:00 Doug DeMuro? We got to move on to the questions, which today are brought to you by Nick Rochan.
1:06:07 Doug DeMuro? Nick, thank you so much for wearing that shirt on the podcast today and dressing up for us.
1:06:13 Doug DeMuro? All right. A lot of great questions today, including several for Nick.
1:06:18 Doug DeMuro? Starting with, from Mr. McGuber. Dear Nick, can we please, dear group, can we please try to convince Nick to buy a V10 Ford Excursion? It would allow Nick to fit into the V10 club and it has three-row seating like he wants. Nick, take us through, you're just talking about driving the Super Duty, you're talking about driving a Ford, you seem like a Ford guy, a couple of us want V10s, I got a V10, you obviously follow. What are you thinking on the excursion front?
1:06:48 Speaker 04 There are a lot of interesting paths into the V10 club that doesn't involve buying a fast car. I would probably be more like the S6, S8 crowd, or even an E60 M5. However, the problem with the excursion would be the three-row cars for my wife. I cannot in a million years imagine my wife moving around in excursion through town. At least it's not diesel like that, that would be a slightly easier sell, but like, that is a lot of car and not a lot of amenities inside. I do think they're really cool and as much as everyone loves a 73 Excursions, they're like double the price, if not more, than a V10. So you gotta kind of wonder, at some point it becomes interesting,
1:07:32 Speaker 04 but that is not my, that's not the top of my list for a three-row SUV.
1:07:38 Doug DeMuro? Too bad, because how cool.
1:07:40 Speaker 03 There are also companies that do conversions of an F250 to an excursion. And I think that, I haven't seen a new F250 conversion, but somebody must do that. And I think like a brand-new F250 excursionated would be great for you.
1:07:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:07:58 Speaker 04 It's a lot of car, you gotta, remember, I got a really tiny driveway, so we'd be sticking out into the road, it would become a problem. I want to find the smallest three-row SUV I can find while still being minimally functional.
1:08:11 Speaker 03 I got you if you want, Kia Rondo.
1:08:14 Doug DeMuro? They never did a three-row in the States.
1:08:17 Speaker 03 You can get them in the outside of the straight, say so. No, they did. They did. I thought we confirmed they did.
1:08:24 Doug DeMuro? Install the three row yourself. Next question, next question here from, from a quasi Brad. Dear Doug, do you think you'll ever find another car you'll keep long term? It feels like recently you've been losing interest in your cars within a year or so like the RS2. I owned the RS2 for three years. Internet time is so different from real time. People say this to me all the time. Oh, you're already selling it. Well, yeah. I mean, it's three years. What do you want from me? That's an enormous amount of time. It's like a lease. Uh, I would wager the MK4 Super will share the same fate. Do you see yourself buying another car that will be a mainstay in your fleet like the Ford GT, Carrera GT or Countach? No, I don't. That's probably never going to happen again. I car prices are too, cars are too expensive.
1:09:06 Doug DeMuro? All the stuff I really think is amazing is like too expensive and I'm not going to put, I'm not going to put any more money into a car. Right into cars right now. I already have way too much of my net worth in cars, which was not intended. The cars have all gone way up in value since I bought them and I didn't really try to do that. And I definitely would not have bought these cars today, um, given today's financial situation, but it's sort of what's happened.
1:09:30 Speaker 03 You have kept buying cars.
1:09:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but his point is I've kept buying revolving cars.
1:09:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was just true.
1:09:36 Doug DeMuro? Keepers.
1:09:37 Speaker 03 By the way, confirm the Kia Rondo did have a third row in the US.
1:09:40 Doug DeMuro? Thank you. Nick, you agree with this?
1:09:43 Speaker 04 I totally agree. I'm in the same boat where it's like, okay, there's a, there's a functional cap on how many cars you can own at the same time. You know, if we only are going to live to 100 years old conservatively, like that you have a finite number of years, a finite number of cars you can own within those years. You gotta, you gotta keep moving them through like six to 12 months is a good amount of time to get to learn a car. Frankly, I, I've sort of wondered that with the SLR, the Mercy I kept for three years, but the SLR might be like a one year car. Not because I don't love the car, but I just, I want to keep cycling. Like I've, there's a lot of cars I've never owned. I've never experienced.
1:10:20 Doug DeMuro? Like a Ferrari 10.
1:10:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:10:24 Speaker 04 Probably neither of those two, but at some point I will say I want a new experience. It's been a good run. I put the miles on. I think also that the other thing is you and I both put a decent amount of miles on these cars. And at some point, you want like, like your 4GT idea, you sell the car before the miles get prohibitive to make it hard to sell.
1:10:42 Doug DeMuro? You gotta get out. At some point, you've kind of have to get out.
1:10:45 Speaker 04 And lower the odometer down and do the same thing. So my SLR is at like, yeah.
1:10:51 Doug DeMuro? If you keep doing it, if you just keep driving it, eventually the concept of owning it for a couple of years and getting out for not much money, you'll get screwed. Like you'll, you'll have put too many miles on the car and you won't be able to get out.
1:11:02 Speaker 04 I sold my Mercy at 19,900 and some miles. You know what I mean? Like, I, I agree it's stupid and really functionally, there's no difference between that and 20,000. But psychologically, some people set caps on how many miles they're willing to look at. Like, that also comes a factor where you're just like, all right, it's time to get out before, before I go to the next milestone on the odometer and people start to look at it differently, even if that's the wrong mentality.
1:11:25 Speaker 03 Or before whatever might break at or whatever needed for that service at 20,000.
1:11:31 Doug DeMuro? There's that too. Nick, you're in the garage here with my Supra. What do you think of it?
1:11:35 Speaker 04 You know, I, I didn't get a chance to look at it very closely. The red is beautiful. I, I really like, like it, it glows. It looks like a really clean, nice car. I don't know if someone's wiped it down or just arrived that nice, but I love the Mark IV. I, I mean, in terms of its looks, like I, I feel like you unfairly set us up in previous podcasts to explain that we were disappointed and you got it. I'm stoked that you got it. And I think they're, they're crazy money. Like someone actually, because I continue to for whatever reason be your backdoor where people will send me cars and say, send this to Doug. So someone else sent me one and I'm like, oh, that looks cool. How much you want? And they were like 155. And it's like, gosh, that is a lot of money for,
1:12:15 Speaker 04 for a 90s Toyota product. However, it, it's so special. It's so cool. As someone just obsessed with the Fast and the Furious and wears my Fast and the Furious shorts every night to bed. I'm pumped for you. Like, it is cool. I do wish you would mod it, but they do, you see it in person and it is stunning. It does grab your attention. It punches way above the weight of what I would expect.
1:12:38 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, have you seen this thing yet?
1:12:40 Speaker 03 I saw it briefly. I spent zero time looking at it, I'll be honest.
1:12:43 Doug DeMuro? All right, next, next question. I appreciate that, Nick. I think the rest of the group doesn't care. I am incredibly excited for it.
1:12:51 Speaker 04 Good.
1:12:51 Doug DeMuro? Much more than I was for my 993 twin turbo. This is a good question. Dear, from Jordan, dear team, if you, if you actually lived in a traffic city, New York, Atlanta, DC, etc., you had to commute with a car, what would be your perfect daily traffic sitting commuter? Nick, what if you still had to drive downtown? What would you do?
1:13:12 Speaker 04 I would probably get a PHEV. I don't know which. Something, honestly, even like a Rivian, something to that effect, like the R2 would be interesting.
1:13:28 Speaker 03 Efficient by EV Centers. I like it.
1:13:30 Speaker 04 Yeah, if I wanted to go crazy.
1:13:33 Doug DeMuro? People, when they talk about EV efficiency, it annoys me so much.
1:13:37 Speaker 04 I know, but like, again, you get a cheap lease for like 300 bucks a month, like whatever. The Ioniq 5, for instance, that kind of looks cool, contrarian daily commuter. I personally, the other car I'm really into is I really want a second gen SVT Lightning. And that could be like a really fun daily for 20 grand or what have you with. It wouldn't get great gas mileage, but how fun would that be to daily?
1:14:00 Doug DeMuro? You'd sit in bumper to bumper every single day in that? Be reasonable.
1:14:06 Speaker 04 Well, we would just, I'd leave before the traffic got real bad. I'm an early bird anyways.
1:14:10 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, what would you daily, Nick's given us nothing. He said a plug-in hybrid, then he named three electric cars and a Ford Lightning gas.
1:14:19 Speaker 03 I don't know. I I think that I would really struggle to buy something that's not a very least a hybrid. If you're going bumper to bumper traffic, you're stopping going, you may as well use a battery and electric power to massively decrease your fuel costs. It depends then on what the rest of the drive is, what my other requirements. It's really do I need to be able to to carry my family? Do I need to be able? It is just for me to commute in? Do I have somewhere to charge? I have somewhere to charge at work? There's a lot of factors. I do think a lot of EVs are actually really great options for this, even and maybe especially in the Northeast or somewhere where there's snow, because there are real, yes, range goes down in the winter, but there are all wheel drive and can be really good fits for that. I will say if I wanted gas, I actually think that
1:15:03 Speaker 03 my GTI is a really, really strong commuter car that's a little bit more fun. Yes, it's a manual, but I've never
1:15:09 Doug DeMuro? You still have the GTI?
1:15:11 Speaker 03 Doesn't matter. Yes, it's a manual. I've never found that to be that challenging. It's pretty light clutch, easy to drive and has all like the tech things while being comfortable. So like, if you want to gas, something like a GTI is a good.
1:15:24 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you agree he's the laziest person you know, right?
1:15:28 Speaker 04 I I can neither confirm nor deny that, but it is interesting that he's saying my GTI.
1:15:35 Doug DeMuro? I think, no joke, I think he's one of the laziest people I've ever met, like the least action or action oriented people I've ever met.
1:15:42 Speaker 04 He's been collecting cars. He's buying and selling. He's making moves. I don't agree with that.
1:15:48 Doug DeMuro? The answer is an E-Class all terrain. Sean just texted me and said it should be an I8.
1:15:54 Speaker 03 No, it should not be. He put that in the doctor too. It should not be. And here's why, Sean. Yes, it's a hybrid, but the visibility is bad.
1:16:00 Doug DeMuro? And it's uncomfortable and low. But Filippo, Sean is a BMW man now. What you need to understand. Sean's BMW man now. So he's he's over here. He loved my E31 question. He's like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
1:16:13 Speaker 03 Nah, he's a modern BMW guy. He doesn't know any of this.
1:16:15 Speaker 04 I'm surprised Sean Sean famously had a Cayman that he put like 150 some thousand miles and commuted in LA traffic on a regular basis. You can get those for like 20. That would actually be a really interesting commuter if you don't Of snow. Also, I think a Panamera, an early Panamera, you can get super cheap, super comfortable.
1:16:34 Speaker 03 A EV is a razor, an EQS would be an incredibly comfortable.
1:16:39 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of Sean, by the way, Sean's bad color G-Wagon is for sale. It's currently live on the site. Cars and bids.
1:16:49 Speaker 04 Dot com.
1:16:50 Doug DeMuro? And you can bid on it and buy it and
1:16:53 Speaker 04 No reserve.
1:16:54 Doug DeMuro? Wrap it presumably and
1:16:55 Speaker 04 No, good color.
1:16:58 Doug DeMuro? And Nick, are you thinking about going anywhere with this G-Wagon? Sean's G, you think about stepping up and throwing a bid?
1:17:03 Speaker 04 He loaned it to me once. I took it to the dermatologist. It was, it was great. I felt very fancy.
1:17:11 Speaker 03 You were the dermatologist?
1:17:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, I
1:17:15 Doug DeMuro? People thought he was an off-road king.
1:17:17 Speaker 04 I think I was the only one there not getting a Botox or liposuction type thing. But yeah, no, it, it, it did. I did enjoy how it drove. The, it's one of these, Sean's is like the, the facelift version, I guess. And people pay a premium for, I want to say 13 to 15s. And it did say inside it is way nicer than I thought. Having driven a lot of G55s and sort of the, the earlier ones, I did iterate to make the interior a much nicer place to be where I didn't feel like I was making a big sacrifice driving like an old behemoth. Like it felt, it felt nice in there. So I don't know what that premium is worth to me personally. But I do see, I do see why they are worth more the later models versus the earlier G-Wagons.
1:17:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. That's true. I wish Sean the best in selling it. I wish Filippo the best in being more action oriented.
1:18:08 Doug DeMuro? And I wish Nick the best in leading the kid parade on the 4th tomorrow. Thank you everyone for watching our beautiful, beautiful podcast. Nick, do you have any parting thoughts for us today?
1:18:22 Speaker 04 I was gonna shout out Sean's G-Wagon, so I got nothing for you once again.
1:18:27 Speaker 03 Happy 250th birthday, America.
1:18:30 Doug DeMuro? Happy birthday to America, a country that made me, gave me my Ford GT and many other cars that I own, but none of you do because you are Euro trash snobs. Goodbye, everyone. Thank you so much for watching our beautiful podcast.
1:18:44 Speaker 03 Goodbye, most of our audience, where our most popular makes are German.
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